February 18th, 2010

Double Dip Anyone?

Following the longest recession in history Britain posted its first-ever budget deficit for the month of January.  Usually January is a bumper month for tax receipts.  Unfunded government over-spending was £4.3 billion, when consensus economists were forecasting a £2.6 billion surplus, according to the median of 16 forecasts in a Bloomberg News survey.

Don’t rule out a double-dip recession.  With neither the Conservatives or Labour offering policies to kick-start consumer spending and GDP growth, we could be in a lot of trouble…


  1. 1
    Dick the Prick says:

    Have we definatey got out of recession though if the figures are corrected?

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    My Vote Never Counts says:

    Double dip? – Guacamole anyone?

  3. 3
    Tube_Thumper says:

    Double dip anyone? Yes please ! I saw it once in a porno film that jacqui smith old man lent me

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    David Hodge says:

    I have put my money under my bed.

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    Tube_Thumper says:

    thanks for telling us. knock knock

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    Double dip?
    Rather Multi dip!


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    Nestor Mahkhno says:

    Look, we’re on an up escalator. Our leaders have two buttons, deflation and inflation. By clever alternating of the buttons at just the right time they will lead us to growth and security.

    What could be simpler than that? Just trust our leaders, they have only our good at heart.

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    SpoofReader says:

    IF I had any money, it would not go under the bed. An airline ticket to almost anywhere would do it. I’d even plant a tree when I got there (mary jane, anyone?).

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    Anonymous says:

    I have an idea to kick start the economy and save us some money.

    Tripple glazing every pensioner’s house.

    A lot better than giving £2k off Korean cars.

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    Tube_Thumper says:

    the only growth we have is called gordon brown

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    Down with Brown! says:

    Higher taxes would seem to be the most likely cause of a double dip.

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    Alexsandr says:

    I reckon Mr Darling will have to review his budget as his strategy is to ignore the deficit and hope that economic growth will cover it.

    now is the time to start sacking all the useless pen-pushers in the civil service, the quangos and local government. We can’t afford em.

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    Cast Iron Dave says:

    Stagflation here we come…

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    Are We Fooked says:

    We are fooked.

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    Cast Iron Dave says:

    who’s there?

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    Anonymous says:

    We’re already in a lot of trouble. My spouse and I now have 6 redundancies between us and no prospect of work. Five of those redundancies were under a Labour Government’s watch.

    How many more times should we be expected to wipe up Labour’s shit with the shirts off our backs?

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    Down with Brown! says:

    0.1% growth overall.

    The only bit of the economy that is growing is the unsustainable bit, the public sector.

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    La' says:

    Soros has doubled his gold and baked bean holdings

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    Gordon ( SoldGoldAtThe ) BottomBrown says:

    Trust me. I am a genius as acknowledged by towering figures such as Joseph Stiglitz and Piss Organ.

    This is no time for fresh thinking – THIS IS NO TIME FOR A NOVICE.

    Stick with us in The Bunker.

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    Tube_Thumper says:

    has it occured to you that you and your spouse are about as useful as a fart in a spacemans suit thats why yiou keep getting fired

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    Dick Scratcher says:

    Nicholas Winterton – what a tit:


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    kentscheroo says:

    you have money?

  24. 24
    Alastair Scumball says:

    “Hey! Hey!..”

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    Red Rug says:

    My blog is a desolate toilet.

    But I love ladies of a ginger between the legs persuasion!

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    Anonymous says:

    And on what evidence do you base that accusation?

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    obangobang says:

    How come we need two quarters of negative growth to be in a recession but only one of (barely) positive growth to be out of recession?

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    kentscheroo says:

    Funniest hour of radio all year, if only he wasn’t actually being serious.

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    A cunning plan. Why don’t we advertise Government agencies very heavily with bland adverts about anything. Advertise for more Social Workers, Teachers, and Climate Change Researchers. Of course it will put the prices up for the Beasts of Burden in the taxable sector, but keeping unemployment down is the main driver. Debt is easy. We will just get some more credit cards, and continue ramping up Overseas aid.

    Great Britain is good for the credit. You know it make sense. It’s the right thing to do.

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    ShoutsAtTheTV says:

    Just what I was thinking… Though there was a bit more invective littered about my thoughts

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    Boys From County Hell says:

    Don’t worry there is no chance of us becoming the next Greece, the Krauts won’t lift a finger to help us for a start.

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    Henry Crun says:

    Al, I think you meant to say that Mr. Darling’s strategy is the one that Gordoom told him to adopt.

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    Piazzale Loreto says:

    The time has come to close Scotland and declare it a nature reserve.

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    TOO FARR says:

    That Nicholas twaterton, the bloody idiot, just lost the Tories 10,000 votes with his crass comments, I’d make the arsehole walk everywhere. the fat bastard needs the exercise.
    DC should kick the silly old fool out of the party.
    These people should realise they are OUR SERVANTS. f****g FIRST CLASS travel….. cupid stunt.

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    Boys From County Hell says:

    A redundancy is not being sacked.

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    Neither Labour nor the Conservatives seem to have the guts to tell the public straight that VAT, income tax, fuel and alcohol duties have got to rise significantly to pay off the UK debt. Unemployment (particularly in the public sector) will rise massively and we will all hurt very badly indeed.

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    We are being Seasonally adjusted in line with Met Office forecasts.

  38. 38
    Boys From County Hell says:

    Good idea, it will be worth the same as mattress stuffing soon.

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    Gordoom Brownfinger (the man with the fecal touch) says:

    I recommend buying gold now at the top of the market and selling it again in 5 years time at the bottom.


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    The Gord's Prayer says:

    ************ LET US PRAY ************

    Our Pariah, which art in Downing Street,
    Hated be thy name.
    Thy government come,
    Our Nation’s wealth go, in 2010 as in the 1970’s.
    Give us this day our daily soundbites
    And forgive us our tirading against those who tyrannise against us
    And lead us not into another term of office,
    But deliver us from evil
    For thine is the catastrophe, the penury and the gloom
    For ever and ever. Amen.

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    ShoutsAtTheTV says:

    Yes, this discrepancy had troubled my mind..

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    Straphanger says:

    You could steal someone’s passport before you go and then murder whoever you think is responsible for your lack of money.

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    George Costanza says:

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    Die Bundesbank says:

    We ignored you in 1992 and we’ll do the same this time .

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    Yes I agree but:- says:

    Mr Winterton has plainly looked after his cash for some 30+ years

    Unlike NuLibore etc etc etc etc

    What is it with these Labour twats?

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    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    It is time for the Conservatives to accept that clinging to the centre ground & love bombing the liberal left is not going to get the unpleasantness done & dusted.

    We need to cut taxes & slash spending.

    It is not rocket science – but the tossers in Blue Labour just dont get it.

    Vote for tax & spending cuts – it is the only way to gete the money out of the non productive public sector & into the wealth & job creating private sector.

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    purpleline says:

    Guido- stop using the term a double dip recession, we are still in recession, the +0.1% may yet be revised down, it is hardly growing even if the number is correct. Look at German 4th quarter GDP than went back to 0%.

    Therefore, I expect GBP to be flat or minus still when revision come out.

    Sterling is a major sell and the Tory party must make a decision to slash spending and lower the Tax burden. I agree with the 10k Tax rate, but I would actually be more political, Osborne should re-introduce the 10p starting rate, stating Brown fucked it and raise the threshold to start paying Tax and reduce the top rate to 45p from 50p for all tax payers earning above the current 40p Tax threshold. (The signal is more important) this could be coupled with a lowering of the NI rate by the increase coming in this April.

    This would chime in with we are all in this together

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    Stepney says:

    I’m afraid we really are fucked gentlemen.

    Taking a longer view we have simply not made any provision for the new economy. How? Well, simples, when manufacturing industry died on its arse we tried to soak up the unemployment with a massive boom in public sector jobs, which as we all know, get us absolutely nowhere, because in the end, it produces value to the economy to the tune of the square root of fuck all.

    So we waved bysie-bye to our factory output as it went eastwards; we employed a million or two people in non-productive, non-jobs; we relied on a dodgy old financial sector to create a mirage of success; we all played being rich by looking in estate agents windows; we decided that 5 million people sucking up benefits wouldn’t be a problem; we have made a pigs fuck of the vocational and education sectors and we thought it could all last forever.

    You aint seen nothing yet.

    As a country the nearest analogy I can come up with is setting out to sea on a li-lo with a hurricane warning in the offing.

    We are SO unprepared for the modern global economy. So, thanks for that Gordon (and John and, for a bit of the shit at least, Maggie come to that).

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    Not one of Thatchers Children says:

    I’m Voting Labour.

    If I am going under, you set of cnuts are coming with me!

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    Yep ................... says:

    Yep !

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    Roger Rigid says:

    Like a cancer of the rectum.

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    ShoutsAtTheTV says:

    …Also thinking, despite all that obvious Photoshop airbrushing, Victoria Derbyshire, eh?

    “Face for Radio..”
    “Lipstick on a pig..”

    and other well-known phrases

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    Nunc Dimitis says:

    Lord, now lettest thy servant depart in peace, according to thy word
    For mine eyes have seen thy salvation

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    laocowboy2 says:

    What has to be done is a known. Whether either have the guts to do at least some of it before a fill blown crisis arrives is an unknown. Obvious measures include: –
    – Later retirement dates (on a more aggressive basis than offered so far)
    – Pay and hiring freeze (2 yrs min) for public sector at lower levels
    – Actual pay cuts for more senior staff, with the cuts increasing with salary level. No replacement of attrittion by new hires.
    Yes some of the best would quit the civil service. Good – they would go off to create wealth rather than to consume it.

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    Down with Brown! says:

    What class do BBC presenters travel?

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    ShoutsAtTheTV says:

    Somesink iz wrong viz your pronunciation. You should av sed like so:

    “Ve ignored you int 1992 and ve vill do ze same zis time..”


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    Catflap says:

    I doubt the Cons could pull off another ‘Miracle of the Marne’ when they get in.
    House prices are already too high(No Boom there) public assets have already been sold and oil and gas is running out.
    Public jobs is where all the coalminers and shipbuilders and their offspring went, so cut them and what have you got?
    A third world shithole full of localized asset strippers nicking drain covers etc.
    Inevitable really.

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    Brown has connived at so many insidious stealth taxes, that in his narrow ultra specialised mind (He could never be accused of being a Generalist), he actually thinks that he has earned the money to spend on pet projects and aid for the Feckless, and Bored.

    It will be a surprise that he has overshot the PSBR estimates. The only thing that you cannot hide in a set of proper accounts is the movement of cash.

    Labour have manipulated the figures on Economic Activity or Unemployment till they can fiddle no more. It is the Total Debt that will kill ‘Prudence’ off.

    He is malevolently EVIL.

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    gildedtumbril says:

    Sorearse is a sly one. Was he the one who tried to collar the entire silver market, or was it just destroy Britain’s currency?

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    Qui Bono says:

    My millionaire pensioner neighbour thanks you for the gesture, paid for by your forced taxes, but regards the trivial CO2 savings as irrelevant and the whole scheme a pointless make-work charade.

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    Mark Mywords says:

    I’ve been waiting all fecking morning to read something fecking sensible: now this is sensible – very very sensible – very very fecking sensible !!!

    DC – do it!

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    Anonymous says:

    Well it would me sharing with the common peopls, common plebs, I am too high and mighty for that I am a senior MP, I might catch something and of course I am working ever so hard filling my expenses form.

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    Nunc Dimitis (second attempt) says:

    Oops. Hit the wrong tit.

    Lord, now lettest thou thy servant depart in peace, according to Mandy’s word
    For my one good eye has seen your lampposts
    Which thou has prepared before the face of all people
    To be a light to light up the Genitals and to be the Glory of thy Grocer M&Ssad

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    ShoutsAtTheTV says:

    ..Sounds advice

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    Die Bundesbank says:

    Ja, das stimmt. Danke schoen.

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    Sir Everard Digby says:

    I beg to differ – McDoom operates one strategy regardless. Borrow or Print and Spend.

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    tommy atkins says:

    take out govt. spending and we have been i a recession for the last seven years…….the dole figures are fiddled with people being on ‘training courses’…..

    many are not allowed to claim or do not bother.

    with the costs involved of setting up a business ie rent/rates/insurance etc we will not be creating many jobs…that is why the govt. created 1 million non-jobs to hide the decimation…….and the banks will make money from bond or stock trading instead of funding business because they can get out of their positions with a click of a mouse.

    we are totally fucked……..and yet the twats that got us to this point,blair,brown,darling etc will walk away with bags of cash…….

    i find it abhorrent that we have a system where useless pricks that know nothing about finance actually hold all the cards!

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    ShoutsAtTheTV says:

    Heheh.. :O(

    But for those who haven’t seen it, there are some classics on here:


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    Boys From County Hell says:

    Perhaps we could retry a return to feudal peasantry and self sufficent subsistence living, Pol-Pot style, It would involve shooting anyone wearing glasses though.

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    The Old Guard says:

    And do you know what this about? Jealousy. Just because i have a vewy vewy nice ticket. Some people say it looks like eliteism but it does me nicely.

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    Down with Brown! says:

    What rail class do Radio 5 live presenters travel and who pays for it?

    I think first class travel expenses are the one sort of expenses MP should be allowed. There is a good case for MPs travel expenses that Winterton fails to make. People want MPs to be working during the week both in their constituency and at Westminster. Those who have a long way to travel can use the time on train to catch up on work. It’s great in standard class when you can get a table and work, but all too often you are standing up and crammed like sardines with hundred of other shmucks.

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    Bumper Sticker says:

    If it’s Brown, flush it down!

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    gildedtumbril says:

    I was deeply moved…And now let us pray for those less fortunate than ourselves…er…er…er. Dammit, can’t think of anyone. And please, no one mention turd world unfortunates.

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    The Dirty Rat. says:

    I’m still waiting for the cnut to come round with a squad of the unemployed and insulate my loft, like he said he would.

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    Old Tory. says:

    I agree, I think no one earning under 10k should pay tax. DC should have a good look at this…. and tell us why it is a bad idea.

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    K Muckguire says:

    Suck my lying salty pea sized balls.

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    REEVO says:

    Except “we” are not all in it together!

    If you are stuck or planning a life in the UK then probably.

    Otherwise “not”

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    Qui Bono says:

    Taxi class, London to Newcastle or Liverpool, if you present match of the day

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    Mark Oaten says:

    Runnip who?

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    Ken Lorp says:

    Now there’s a great campaign slogan for the Tories!

  83. 83
    Lord Mandelslime says:

    I learnt it is “mushy peas” – a horrible dish eaten by racist peasants who vote Labour.

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    J. G. Brown says:

    You are no onger my favourits but plug, where were you when I needed you, you are a waste of space, goodbye, a cork will do from now on.

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    Down with Brown! says:

    Remember that the Wintertons had earlier been revealed to be claiming £80,000 in rent a year for a flat held in trust for their children. They were lucky to escape prosecution for that one.


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    Lord Mandelslime says:

    And where is my Maserati?

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    Sir Everard Digby says:

    Agreed -why subsidise foreign motor companies to continue overproducing cars?

    Why shut down our defence industries and export jobs to the EU ?

    To introduce a new economy(which is what we need) will take years-living the good life on North Sea Oil and a credit bubble at the same time as instilling state dependency in the population makes this much harder – any parties talking about this?

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    Harriet Harperson says:


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    Mr Ned says:

    obangobang, you raise a very valid point and if the first quarter of 2010 shows the economy shrank by 2% then labour would be still able to declare that we are not in recession, and repeat it right up to polling day.

    They will use the “It takes two quarters to be a recession” argument for all they are worth and those common purpose fuckers at the BBC will let them get away with it too!

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    Nigel Tufnell says:

    What’s wrong with being sexy?

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    K. Vaz says:

    Who cares? You racist taxpayers bought me a house. I’m sorted. Double-dip? That’s a side-helping at the restaurants I eat in – at your expense. Racists.

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    Brown re-invents the 1970's "Brain-Drain" says:

    Right on the money !! Post 6 May whoever wins the election the message for the British Electorate is going to be very very hard indeed. Massive Public Sector job losses;tax hikes and savage public spending cuts with nothing no even NHS/Education escaping. Expect also huge union unrest with the public sector unions calling strikes with interest rates having to rise to combat the effects of QE

    Unemployment will continue to rise particularly for those 16-24(incl graduates)and we will be in for a very hard 5 – 10 years.But still there’s always the 2012 Olympics legacy !!

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    REEVO says:

    Nick can travel in first class anytime he wants all he has to do is pay for it himself.

    Welcome to the real world Nick…we are all in it together you know!

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    Anonymous says:

    A nature reserve full of glass recycling bins?

    Buckfast: The Breakfast of Champions!

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    Jonah Watch says:

    Yes Gordo has been fiscally stimulating the economy for years and years (2000/2001?) calling it an end to boom and bust. (We were all taken in by his fucking golden rule)

    This may help explain some of it:

    The public sector continues to take on new workers the ONS stats show 6.09m people employed by the taxpayer compared with 5.8m a year ago.

    Public sector workers paid more than £2k extra a year compared with private sector, after public sector pay races ahead of inflation.

    So far the private sector & the young has borne the brunt of the recession

    Since 1997 the Labour government has created 2.1 million new jobs

    all in the public sector.

    As noted in the Indy Article the bank of canada has placed the UK 4th after PIG.

    The socialists always have difficulty balancing the books.

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    Down with Brown! says:

    Simple solution slash the benefits and make the useless pricks go back to work.

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    AC1 says:

    Diggin’ Holes, Then Fillin’ ‘em in again will jump start the economy!

    That or smashing windows to stimulate the glazing industry.


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    We are heading for a double dip recession and Guido rightly points out that neither political party is demonstrating that they posses the necessary cahoonies to be able to deal with it.

    We need to vote out ALL the large Parliamentary parties. None of them have OUR interests at heart and they are all demonstrating a dedication to the corrupt and wasteful EU, un-necessary political correctness and a callous disregard to spending OUR money.

    The only solution is to vote them ALL out!

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    Down with Brown! says:

    Maggie got us through just as bad times between 79 and 83 remember.

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    ShoutsAtTheTV says:

    ..Think you mean “Investment”, rather than “Spending”, don’t you?

    I mean all these huge, monetary investments are bound to yield a HUGE monetary return any moment now..

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    budget suggestion says:

    Legalise drugs and tax them.

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    Steve Expat says:


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    Only if all the glass is made in this country. Genuine question: is it?

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    Anonymous says:

    Yes but not into the coffers of private contractors like Rail services which just suck on the public teet, fares higher and subsidies through the roof. Also in the past cuts have suposedly made but numbers of civil servants has increased especially managers, cut but across the board.

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    Boys From County Hell says:

    How about this, any new immigrant has to pay an introductory fee for citizenship and an annual settlement tax for the first 10 years of life in the UK. Applied retrospectively from 2011.

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    If we double dip then there won’t be inflation – so your short gilts won’t work for much longer Guido.

    On the other hand, if we double dip say hello to more money printing and good stock market returns – just take advantage of it whilst planning your escape, because what comes afterwards…yeesh.

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    You’re thinking of the Bunker Hunt brothers.

    Soros was “the man who broke the Bank of England” on Black Wednesday.

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    And especially the NHS, which I believe has more chair polishers than patients.

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    Coffee, keyboard.


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    “0.1% growth overall. ”

    Is that a real decimal point or a CCHQ decimal point?

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    […] Short but oh so sweet…. the only growth we have is called gordon brown […]

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    Anonymous says:

    Old Nick probably voted for the privatisation of BR, he could pay the same as everyone else or a free 2nd class but he could pay the premium for 1st class, now that would be fair.

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    Mr Ned says:

    Mr Vaz, If you treat me like a racist, then I shall act like a racist, as I would hate to disappoint you, you mendacious, malevolent, Madras Monkey fucker!

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    Straphanger says:

    If Soros is doing any harm to the British economy he should be assassinated.

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    Up sh1t creek says:

    To have a double dip recession, you first have to be out of recession in the first place. Sorry, but the recent rigged figures showing a 0.1% growth is ONS bullshit so Gordon can claim that the UK is out of recession before the general election.

    Let’s see how those tax receipts are going…..

    Oh well, better raise the taxes to REALLY improve those figures. Morons!

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    If you’ve been working for the State or other unionised enterprise, the Unions ensure a last in-first out policy. It doesn’t matter how good you are,
    as tube abuser knows full well.

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    Green shoots are just the tip of an iceberg says:

    Green Industry will be the next national employer! Mass food production when we can no longer pay for the 30% of food we import, largely unskilled badly educated workforce, what else can they do when the economy hasn’t got the money for Public sector and benefit wage bill?

    Cuba when the Berlin Wall came down.

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    Up sh1t creek says:

    But a damn sight more useful than New Labour’s make work scheme fining people for the 3000+ non-crimes New Labour created just to get as many as possible to have a criminal record.

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    Alexander Le Queen says:

    Maybe you should think twice about who you let in to lag-yar-laft. I’m sure there is a few Aussies who would rather have done without.


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    Whole hole says:

    We could fix all the pot holes the government created because they took the money from car taxes and fuel tax, and wasted it on benefits claimants to buy their votes!

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    Grumpy Old Man says:

    Oh we do. That’s why Socialists hate her so much – she got rid of all the non-jobs in the union-run heavy industries. Mind you, she had Chancellors who could count and avoided boating holidays. Unfortunately the heir to Bliar wants to be loved more than he wants to be respected. He’s going to be disappointed on both counts.

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    Steve Expat says:

    The Times puts it so well:

    British finances to be ‘worse than Greek deficit’


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    Marcus Aurelius says:

    sorry Dave you are useless and your lad Osborne is much worse.

    We need leaders with backbone to save us not some Blue Labour puppets simpering on the GMTV sofa.

    You need to hand power and money back to us. You can make a start by offering constituencies the opportunity to recall corrupt MPs. But why would you do that when you are parachuting your own PC candidates into seats above the protest of local party workers?

    Best just accept you’ll lose a lot of seats to the UKIP effect, Dave.

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    Thats News says:

    I think the Tories are very sensibly keeping silent on what they plan to do. Wouldn’t do for Brown to steal their ideas, and then bugger them up!

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    Thats News says:

    What? Yeah, right. They can go work in Woolworths, Ethel Austin, Rover, Zavi, and.. oh. Gordon killed them all.

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    Mine d'Boggles says:

    Oy! I like blueberries from Chile at £4 per 225g (whatever that is in feet and inches). The ones in my garden only crop in summer. Shocking. And you all said you didn’t want global warming. Eat concrete then.

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    Albert Pierrepoint says:

    Victoria Derbyshire is a babe. You are out of your mind.

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    Enough spin already! says:

    What’s all this double dip shit? Media headline crap. The expression insinuates that we got out of recession! Eh? We contracted at over 6 %, and grew in last quarter 0.1% (if you believe that!) we are still in the same pile of shit and getting worse with same financial problems causing it. This collapse is not linear, but s low train wreck that will last for many years.

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    Its a fine line between stupid and clever.

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    Anonymous says:

    Surely there will be a double-dip recession? The only reason we were officially out of recession was because of a temporary one-off additional chunk of government spending/printing. Since then the vat rate’s gone back up and various other spending has been reduced or dropped.

    The government spent/printed 100’s of billions to produce the bogus “0.1%” growth figure for just a single quarter; without that extra spending it’d take a miracle to not be in negative territory.

    I don’t see it as a double-dip recession, because we were never really out of recession in the first place; it was just a faked illusion created by huge one-off government spending/printing, the growth was never real; the real quarter’s growth was more like minus 5%, not plus 0.1%

    They’ll massage the new figure though anyway, if it’s negative then they’ll ofset it with yet another kind of one-off chunk of spending/printing. They’ll just spend/print/borrow whatever they want in a bid to hide the true growth figure until after the election.

    They really don’t give a flying fuck about the real economy; they’re only interested in hiding the truth from the voters until after the election, and they’ll bankrupt the country if that’s what it takes to hide things.

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    “now have 6 redundancies between us”

    This is not a problem unless you have less than 12 wives.

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    Warsteiner says:

    Note to BBC –

    Headline of the day is not the assassination of a Hanas military commander in Dubai, nor is it Gordon Brown announcing the Labour election slogan in the Midlands ths weekend accompanied by five of his senior colleagues it SHOULD be the ruinatiopn of this country’s economy by Brown and his band of traitors, which JUST merited a mention.

    Yours disrespectfully


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    Watch the Skies! says:

    Pilkington sold out to France’s Saint Gobain a while back. So it’s British in much the same sense that a Nissan car is: profits repatriated to the Mothership and shareholders, jobs put wherever the market is and the shareholders stand to gain most from local labour market conditions.

  136. 136

    “simpering on the GMTV sofa”

    He’s the leader of the opposition and can’t do much else until the GE, to be fair to the young fellow.

  137. 137

    One person’s ruination funds an MP’s unaudited expense claim.

  138. 138
    Anonymous says:

    Total debt (which doesn’t include lots of things that it should) is now £848 billion; they’re obviously trying very hard to get to the magic trillion figure in time for the election.

    Then they can say “look, we’re really good. we spent a trillion quid of money that doesn’t even exist on all our core voters. vote for us; nobody else’ll give you a trillion quid of someone else’s money”

  139. 139
    udderly 'orrible says:

    Bendy in the Harridan Harpic version

  140. 140
    Kink says:

    Is that the straight or gay version you’re talking about… and there is a difference, just ask Peter.

  141. 141
    Jonah Watch says:

    That is the annoying thing about the Brown narrative, it makes me sick when he says “we spent X billionS on blah blah blah” whilst the tories cut as though it is something to be proud of!

    What about careful use of the government tax receipts rather then pissing them down the drain creating non jobs in the public sector!

  142. 142
    Jonah Watch says:


  143. 143
    Bart Mitzfah says:

    We could steal the identities of some Israelis living in England

  144. 144
    Jonah Watch says:

    A fucking good point well made

  145. 145
    Gordon Brown says:

    To counter claims of my government massaging figures, I have passed the job of collating and analysing data to Prof Phil Jones and his CRU crew.

  146. 146
    Mr Ned says:

    If you’re working for the state, chances are you are not facing redundancy this side of an election.

    And redundancy is NOT the same as getting the sack.

    Many really good, hard working, productive employees (in both the public and private sectors) get made redundant when a middle manager fucks up and blows their departmental budget in the first 6 weeks of an annual plan, or the market conditions change, or any number of other reasons.

    When the shit hits the fan in the public sector, after the election, there will be a lot of good nurses, police and others being made redundant, WHOEVER gets into power.

    I wonder how many global warming coordinators get the chop?

  147. 147
    Watch the Skies! says:

    …without fine cigars, sunshine, or a Beloved Leader.

  148. 148
    Gordon Brown stole my pension says:

    You have my vote.

    Have you seen the state of the M25 either side of the Dartford crossing? It’s like the surface of the bloody moon.

  149. 149
    Happy Scrapper says:

    As a Liebour hating car dealer with both German and Korean franchises I can tell you that you are wrong about the £2k scrappage subsidy.

    The manufacturer and the dealer fund 50% of the £2k which includes VAT Given that the vast majority of scrappage sales have been incremental the actual taxpayer funded scrappage subsidy is £700 per car less the revenue generated from the new registration fee of £55 per car which nets down to £645 per unit sold.

    Then of course there are the environmental benefits of significant reductions in emmissions and less fuel consumed to add to the safety benefits of the new car compared to the old banger.

    And there’s more; Not only has the scrappage scheme helped support my business through the most challenging car market of my lifetime, helping to safeguard nearly 100 jobs it has also enabled me to take on around 20% additional staff in my two Hyundai dealerships and will continue to support my business when the additional cars sold return for servicing and repair in the coming years.

    Don’t misunderstand me McDoom and Mandy can claim no credit as they simply copied an excellent German idea and are still hoons of the highest rank. Overall the Scrappage Scheme has been very good news for my business and my staff.

  150. 150
    JMT says:

    I know, but even she would struggle to get through what labour have done this time.

  151. 151
    Anonymous says:

    One of the reasons the tax receipts are so low (apart from the obvious of so many people going bust or having fewer customers) is that a large number of people (including me) who are on self-assessment are only paying the legal minimum in tax required to stop from going to prison; leaving all payments to the last minute until getting the “pay within 7 days or we start proceedings” letter, avoiding paying anything on account wherever possible.

    The “I’m just not going to give my hard earned money to these fuckers because they’re pissing it all up against the wall” mentality has truly kicked in, and the treasury are getting fuck all money because of that.

    They’re screwed because the recession has dented income/profits, but they’re just as screwed because people simply aren’t prepared to pay things on-account or on-time given the negligence of how the economy’s being run with our money.

    HMRC: if you want me to pay on account or on time, then tell the government to stop pissing the money against the wall. Until then you’re not going to see a fucking penny that you can’t legally force me into giving you.

  152. 152
    Anonymous says:

    We have never been fortunate enough to work for the public sector, so had to work for the other one.

    The longest period of employment I ever had was 17 years, and my spouse had 15. We both lost our pensions back at the start of the decade. There’s no job security any more, just everyone out for themselves, and we’re tired of picking up the pieces and starting again. That’s why we’ve decided to up sticks and leave.

  153. 153
    I hate New Labour says:

    But wait, the economy grew by 0.1% remember.

    And we all have Brown to thank for that.

    What a coincidence that these figures are released at a time when there won’t be PMQs for a few weeks…

  154. 154
    udderly 'orrible says:

    I think the Tories are absolutely mad to want to win the election.
    Let McMental get back in and shovel up his huge pile of marxist shite … within a month the IMF would be inside No 10 bearing a straitjacket and a horse syringe filled with morphine.

  155. 155
    lol says:

    and it’s fucking snowing again

  156. 156
    Al Megrahi,s Doctor says:

    Or, to put it another way……. http://the-tap.blogspot.com/

  157. 157
    The pound in your pocket says:

    It’s called quantitative fleecing.

  158. 158
    Tapestry says:

    Recession? who knows?

    But January shortfall in revenue says Darling’s claim to be on track to borrow £175 billion is conkers.


  159. 159
    Snow (Ed) Balls says:

    Snow joke.

  160. 160
    Nock-knocked says:

    Runnip de stairs to check the money under the bed.

  161. 161
    Alistair, your Darling Flipper says:

    Can’t spend it til the ink’s dried.

  162. 162
    Mick Winterton's fat lardy arse says:

    I don’t.

  163. 163
    I Strain says:

    So, I shouldn’t go to SpecSavers?

  164. 164
    Is Gorgon Brown A Liar answers on a postcard pls says:

    Double Dip Double Dip don`t make me larf does anyone believe we are “OUT” of recession no way Gordoom has cooked the books I mean o.o1% growth ie 0.00% rounded up give me a break I run (sorry try to run) a small business you know the sort BACK BONE OF THE ECONOMY and if we are out of recession then i`ll vote Liebour MY ARSE

  165. 165
    f0ul says:

    Being serious for a second – the answer is to force every public sector employee over 55 into early retirement – put the million people + it needs to remove from the system into the inactive list!

    Next trick is to start ignoring EU directives – it will cut the employment requirements, which then mean you can remove more people from the public sector – again – natural wastage!

    Finally – shoot Gordon – it won’t effect the figures, just think its a good idea!

  166. 166
    Rexel 56 says:

    Nobody disagrees that printing money to give to banks to buy government debt to fund money-off deals for motor cars, or indeed anything else, will protect jobs……

    ……. in the short term. Just don’t get used to it because the printing presses have been stopped now and lots of people have boughts cars one or two years earlier than they were going to – you will hit the wall again soon, hope you haven’t overstocked.

    Oh, and sterling is fucked so I hope Hyundai are planning a factory in the UK somewhere….. suspect not.

  167. 167
    QUANGOCRAT says:

    I really think that we need an overstaffed, overpaid assembly of the great and the good to produce quarterly reorts on the validiity of the quarterly reports that the goverbment use. You know it makes sense, and more to the point might make me a lot of money!!

  168. 168
    QUANGOCRAT says:

    I think we ought to set up an overstaffed, overpaid etc etc to look into it

  169. 169
    Sting's Beard says:

    Please dont go until you’ve had a chance to vote against that F*** Wit in No10 who has caused your problems.

  170. 170
    Israeli with a hookey british passport says:

    Gordon Brown has done far more damage to the economy so surely he should be assassinated first?

  171. 171
    Pedlar says:

    Good idea.
    Why not?

  172. 172
    A Pensioner says:

    When those public sector types retire they get a bit tax-free pension payoff. I doubt the cash would be there to pay that and the pensions thereafter.

  173. 173
    Anonymous says:

    Starve the beast !

  174. 174
    Anonymous says:

    Simple choice – your job or your pension !

  175. 175
    Grandma says:

    Was the volume turned off on Prof. Danny Blanchflower during his tirade on Channel 4, in order to give the economist with a different opinion on cut-backs, a chance to voice it?

  176. 176
    worldweary says:

    Anyboby with get up and go, went in the 60s and 70s, similarly in Ireland, leaving the deadbeats and their friends to create jobs in the public sector.
    Somebody arriving under, or on top of eurostar
    gets my vote to stay. it at leasts raises the gene pool.

  177. 177
    3rd world here we come says:

    Imagine if Britain was a person:

    He’d be an illiterate drunk with no skills and £250,000 in debt. He’d print his own money and spend a lot of it buy weapons to kill random Muslims for no reason, and so on….

    Britain is fucked. It’s much worse than 1976 when we had skills and trades, and a massive manufacturing base.

    What the fuck does Britain make, apart from land-mines to blow the legs off children?

  178. 178
    Sir Christopher Bland says:

    Because it’s viewed as racist that’s why not!

  179. 179
    Jonah Watch says:

    Come on Guido

    Blanchflower gets far too much coverage, anyone who saw him on C4 this evening would think what a twat (we need to spend on and on and..) he disses the bond markets to his peril (“they are the guys who got us into to this” – populist shit that brown has been very successfully spinning since the crisis started). The guy is complete con artist. There must be some dodgy stuff about where he gets his opinions?

  180. 180
    Sir Christopher Bland says:

    Nick Winterton, what a Hunt.

  181. 181
    Jonah Watch says:

    “More than 60 senior economists have signed two open letters that back the chancellor’s decision to delay government spending cuts until 2011.

    The letters in the Financial Times say that any measures to trim the budget deficit this year could risk dragging the country back into recession.

    They are being seen as a riposte to the 20 economists who on Sunday backed the Conservatives’ call for cuts this year.

    Those economists said cuts were needed in 2010 to reassure the markets. ”

    1981 anybody? Not quite 300 economists though!

  182. 182
    Happy Slapper says:

    Fookin expensive welfare programme if you ask me – what makes you a worthy beneficiary of taxpayers largesse and not the business next door struggling just as much? Well done on running a subsidised business, but don’t be such a pompous twat.

  183. 183
    Happy Slapper says:

    and plunging sterling….and higher interest rates….and plunging house prices….oh fuck it – take your pick, they’re all coming…..

  184. 184
    Happy Slapper says:

    spot on mrs rrw…then maybe expats could come home and not take a massive pay cut due to oppressive taxes – I can’t see it though…

  185. 185


    “What, oh look impure thoughts detected by my Cyber-mind reader…”


    “But think of it Harriet, flushing that Cancerous Whale like growth down the lavy”


    Oh well, best get back to Starbucks for another double chocolate Muffin..


  186. 186
    Great Granddad says:

    GDP is not an exactitude but a proxy. Honestly calculated (and honesty is not to be taken for granted) it is a pretty good but rough estimate. How accurate an estimate? Difficult for anyone outside the calculation loop to judge. Where should one set the error bars for this statistical measure? Who knows but anything less than five per cent would be absurdly optimistic.

    So what does an increase in gdp of one tenth of a percent mean? Absolutely nothing. Zilch. A statistical non event.

    So we cannot have a double dip recession until we have emerged from the first one. At a claimed one tenth of a per cent no emergence has so far occurred. QED

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