February 11th, 2010

Taxpayers Paid £25,000 to be Kept in the Dark

Last month a co-conspirator in Mandy’s Department of Innovation, Business and Skills sent in a picture of this sign that was guiding mandarins to a training seminar on how to deal with tricky questions. Another co-conspirator put in an FOI request that has revealed the taxpayer coughed up to the tune of £24,985.36 to teach 44 Executive Officers, Higher Executive Officers and Senior Executive Officers how to avoid answering a straight question from the public through a days role-play.

Seems the department weren’t quite up there with Mandy’s forked tongue skills.


125 Comments

  1. 1
    Mr Ned says:

    So we are paying them to NOT answer questions that in many cases we pay to be asked?

    Bastards!

    And Jonah Brown’s curse strikes again. A few weeks after visiting the BAE shipyard in Barrow in Furness, 230 job losses are announced!

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    • 20
      Labour tightening their grip on the 30% who will vote for them. says:

      A month ago an advert appeared in the Guardian for people to work in the Liverpool area,their role being to ensure that the electorate were getting ALL the benefits they were entitled to,literally visiting them and making sure they got what was owed to them (by US).

      The length of the role – 6 months until June.

      The general election could be held in the first few weeks of June.

      Co-incidence?

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      • 56
        48Crash says:

        All such roles are likely to be ‘reviewed’ (i.e. shut down) by whoever gets in, or back in, after the General Bunfight. So it would be difficult to offer a contract longer than six months.

        It’s also current practice, if not policy, to avoid long-term appointments because it costs money.

        And – since Mrs C works in BIS, I can shockingly reveal that ‘Tricky Questions Training’ doesn’t necessarily mean ‘how to avoid answering something’. It’s more likely to have been yet more management training, or ‘how to tell your staff that they should be brushing up their CVs without actually saying we’re being given the push’.

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        • 65
          Aosher says:

          EOs, HEOs and SEOs are not even senior civil servants – they’re low middle-management grades. 48Crash is right, this is extremely unlikely to have had anything to do with wider press or public considerations.

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        • 73
          jgm2 says:

          It’s far more likely to be teaching them evasive techniques for the inevitable public enquiries once this incompetent Labour government is no longer Fucking up the economy.

          Lots and lots of public enquiries.

          ‘Who ordered you to cover this up…?’

          ‘Were you threatened with summary dismissal if you refused to cover this up…?’

          Stuff like that.

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          • 48Crash says:

            As Aosher said, they aren’t really the kind of grade that gets to do anything exciting like that. Especially in BIS – for all the Dark Lord’s evil evilness, he seems to keep that Machiavellian stuff seperate from the rest of his day job. The bevel-gears in BIS will be doing stuff like preparing reports on the self-destruction of the motor industry and getting Small Business Service leaflets printed.

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          • jgm2 says:

            In that case it is an even more extra-ordinary amount of money. I had thought the £25K cost might have been made up by including the ‘lost’ productivity of the delegates which would still work out at over 500 quid each which is possible I suppose for a senior mandarin but if these folk are on effectively 150 quid a day then that’s not where the 25K came from.

            Some wanker, somewhere, is printing money organising these courses.

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          • 48Crash says:

            Some of the cost will be intimately related to the still-prevalent stupidity of having everyone have to spend their budgets or lose the amount the following year: so instead of rewarding careful budget management, each is incentivised to spend it, regardless, or lose it for ever.

            That’s been the case since Pitt, so the chances of anyone sorting it out seem remote.

            These folks would be on more like £60 – £90 per day, so I’m afraid the imbalance is worse! However, the training budget will be safe for another year – assuming they have anyone left to train, of course.

            The wanker making money from these courses is, of course, the consultants. The wanker paying for them is you and me, as you’ve already guessed. Speaking as someone who’s been with the same employer for the last twelve years and has yet to receive any training in anything, I can only gaze on in jealousy.

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        • 90
          CB says:

          Quick FoI response, sonething must be going wrong.
          48Crash may have a point as in my experience all levels of BIS are already quite capable of lying to the public, avoiding the question, turning a blind eye to the evidence etc rather than giving an honest answer, right up to ministers and even Permanent Secretaries, of which one of the latter reacted like a dodgy builder when I doorstepped him. (I have since found out why he reacted like that.)
          So jgm probably has a point too, although the easiest way to get rid of witnesses before an enquiry is to give them early retirement with a nice pay-off.
          But I will have my day, and hopefully some revenge too.

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      • 109
        Scouser says:

        No one in Liverpool has seen any

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      • 119
        TONY BENN'S WILL says:

        a friend of my daughter got a job with the health service some months ago and because she was a single mother they sat her down and went through the benefit system to see if she would be better off working or on benefits,makes you glad to work doesn’t it .They live in a different world,lets hope they appreciate the coming cuts..oh no they won’t cut benefits will they

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    • 27
      Death to Tyrants says:

      The next logical step would be to arrest those who disagree with “us”. Many Labour members have alwYs carried a big chip on their shoulder. The leaders of the Labour party have a worse failing, vanity. Their desire to rule without criticism is worse than Henry viii..

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    • 45

      sounds like one for squeaky Squire over at the Tax Avoiders Alliance

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    • 107
      Up sh1t creek says:

      So the classic politicians use:-

      I’m sorry, could you repeat the question, I could not ….. you, your question….. breaking up ….. earpiece. [Oh damn, end of interview :) ]

      Now becomes:-

      Can’t reppplie 2 quessssstion, keybbbboooord stickeeee

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    • 125
      48Crash says:

      For what it’s worth:

      I made some enquiries about this yesterday. It’s an ongoing programme, so the cost isn’t going to be quite as astronomical as the figures suggest. The FOI questions were answered literally, and since they didn’t ask ‘how much is the course per head’ or ‘is that it then?’, they didn’t find that out.
      And only Press Officers are supposed to talk to the public, so if they were being trained to lie and disemble, it wasn’t to us.

      Now back to your normal programme …

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  2. 2
    Thats News says:

    A good name for the Labour government would be the RMS LieTanic, so titanic are their lies.

    Captain Brown, Liar-in-Chief.

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    • 4
      manseman says:

      Will he go down with his ship?.

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      • 10
        Joey Joe Joe says:

        I dare say he goes down a lot already. Just not on his beard Sarah,

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      • 13
        Thats News says:

        Brown, when told to go down on his ship, would burn his lips on the funnel.

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        • 19
          Gordon Brown The Prime Mentalist says:

          “Indeed, because that is indeed the right thing to do.”

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        • 22
          Gordon Brown first and then women and children. says:

          He’d be standing on all the children and women as he steps on them in his urge to survive,such is the colossal cowardice of this evil man.

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          • Gordon Brown The Prime Mentalist says:

            “There you go again. No policy, no detail. Just the same old members of the public with their Punch & Judy jokes. The public represent the old ways. We at New Labour represent the new. We will defeat the members of the public. Indeed, that is the right thing to do.”

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    • 52
      This is your Captain .... says:

      Ladies and Gentlemen,

      This is your Captain,Commodore Brown,speaking.

      It has come to my attention that several of the “Boat-Deck passengers are spreading scurrilous rumours that the “Ship of State” may have or may not have struck an iceberg. I can tell you that this fact does not actually agree with my charts which reveal that there are no icebergs within 1,00 miles of the vessel and everyone is at perfect liberty to examine the maps as soon as we reach dry land or within the next 30 years whichever is last.

      Some of you may have noticed that the ship is listing slightly to port and that there is a certain amount of water on the lower boat deck.Again these are all figments of a febrile imagination and such rumours which I belive are being put about by Third Officer Cameron are totally without fact and again you need not fear for your safety whilst I am in command.

      I know that several of you are concerned that First Stoker King has said that there are still “choppy waters” ahead and that First Officer Darling has said that he cannot guarantee that we shall recover our stability in the foreseable future but again this is not the case and I am continuing to do the “right thing for the ship and its passengers”.

      Second Officer Balls will be handing out “life jackets” shortly in the Upper Saloon but this is purely a precautionary measure as is the Webley .45 strapped to his hip and is merely to keep an orderly queue in the children and mother’s line.

      You may have also noticed that some of the officers are launching the lifeboats – but both officers, Hoon and Hewitt are panicking unecessarily and Bosun Fields is not to be believed either. However as a precaution I took the liberty of requesting Chief Mate Ainsworth to order more lifeboats and they should be with us by the start of 2011

      Finally, in the event that the worse does happen Admiral Blair,ably assisted by Rear Admiral Mandelson and Flag Officer Campbell are steaming towards us in one of the companies ships – “Last Great Hope” and should be with us with the next 6 weeks.

      Rest assured that I am continuing to get on with the job of steering this ship and saving the global climate for mankind and I can say that if there was an iceberg, which there isn’t, it came from America.

      Note to band: You can begin playing ” Everything I do I do for you” as soon as possible as the water is now appraoching my neck.Thank you for your continued support. Goodbye.

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    • 108
      Up sh1t creek says:

      There are two problems.

      First the SS Lietanic has hit many icebergs, but it just keeps on going and going until the bitter end. The press don’t seem to be in any mood to kill off the Lietanic.

      The second problem is, the Lietanic is sinking the UK rather than the New Labour party.

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  3. 3
    Charles Flaccidwidger says:

    Wankers.

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  4. 5
    Anonymous says:

    “I have no knowledge of the iceberg, of which he speaks”

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  5. 6
    shelling-out says:

    They couldn’t lie straight in bed.

    Any of them.

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    • 16
      Ronnie McDonnie says:

      It’s OK. They’ll all be gone in 10 weeks. New Labour will be out of power for a generation.

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      • 28
        12 weeks to go,12 weeks to go! says:

        12 weeks today we shall be delivering the coup de grace to this charlatan and his thugs.

        I am going to do something I haven’t done for decades – pop a few Pro plus,drown a bottle of Champagne and watch the executions begin throughout the Friday morning.

        I just hope Cameron does not make some pathetic speech about the “good work Gordon Brown has done”,but rather orders his immediate arrest and placement against a wall.

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        • 34
          Joey Joe Joe says:

          One can but hope. Personally, I’d rather see Herr Campbell arrested first. That man has been the true face of evil in British politics for the last 16 years.

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        • 64
          Mr Ned says:

          Sorry there is only ONE party prepared to do that to to Brown, and Blair. And that this the party that shall not be named. Mind you, I am very tempted to vote for them on the grounds that they would have Brown and Blair arrested.

          It is their damn socialism that puts me off!

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  6. 7
    Cadbury's fudge packer says:

    I’m backing Britain! right off a cliff!

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  7. 8
    Gordon's Brown says:

    I’m still here. And I still hate women. And I still have a sham marriage. And I’m still a lying c/unt. Yes, indeed. I am still here. But only for another 10 weeks.

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  8. 9
    Ali Dizaei Is In Prison Where He Belongs says:

    My botty hurts.

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    • 17
      The PM shouldn't be disturbed but this cunt is says:

      He’ll be buggerin’ vulnerable whitey boys by now, the Persian poofta

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      • 21
        Ali Dizaei Is In Prison Where He Belongs says:

        “That’s racist! I’m going to arrest you and stitch you up! Oh that’s right, I’m not police officer anymore. Shit.”

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  9. 11

    Anyone who saw the UTTERLY DISGRACEFUL ONS bod avoid direct questions in regard to the latest “recession” figures will see that the training is gaining traction.

    ONS is supposed to be neutral but this Fabian Quisling mumbleswerved and refused to answer such things such as the figures without the car scrapage scheme, quite a basic question.

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  10. 12
    Joey Joe Joe says:

    Jacqui Smith, Margaret Beckett, Ann Clwyd:

    Shoot, Stab, Hang?

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  11. 14
    The PM shouldn't be disturbed but this cunt is says:

    Only the filth of NaziLabour would believe ‘politically neutral’ civil servants require training in the art of lying.

    Lie your way out of the current structural deficit though you filth, I’m sure those chaps in the Gilts markets were born yesterday.

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  12. 15
    Tony B Liar says:

    I’d like to thank all the dead British soldiers and dead Iraqis who’ve helped make me so very rich. What is important is.

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    • 35
      Gordon Brown says:

      Is it true you’re on a $100m bonus if you get the thick Brits to fall for “regime change” in Iran? $50m for the Chilcott Iran is the new Nazi Germany shite and $50m when the first child is vaporised in Tehran?

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  13. 17
    Anonymous says:

    Misleading the electorate seems to be quite acceptable and has been put on a formal footing. They probably think you are being nihilistic and nit picking GF. such is the state of public affairs now.

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    • 23
      Throbber says:

      This should be on thousands of huge billboards across the country.
      Utter shits – every single one of them.

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  14. 24
    English Liberation Front says:

    Common Purpose somewhere behind this?

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    • 43
      jgm2 says:

      £25,000 quid for a bit of NLP and some role-playing on your own premises? I’d say the fucking mafia was behind it at that rate.

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      • 94
        Mr Ned says:

        NLp courses are much less than 25K, and really you can learn all you need to know about it from a couple of books.

        If you are particularly short of sleep, you could also read Eriksonian hypnosis books.

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        • 97
          jgm2 says:

          That’s rather my point Ned. 25K for a bit of chalk and talk and some role-playing? Who the fuck was the ‘facilitator’? Bill Clinton?

          Seriously? My wife hires these types for various courses and I’m constantly staggered by their day rate. But the most I’ve ever heard of is 4 or 5K for a day rate. Which is fucking insane for a few glossy handouts and a Powerpoint presentation if you ask me. But 25K. Twenty five thousand pounds. Okay there were probably three or four ‘faciliatators’ but still. Twenty five thousand fucking quid.

          You could get an oil-rig fire put out for that kind of money.

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  15. 25
    Ronni McDonnie says:

    What will Gordo do when he’s out on his arse in 10 weeks? Will he:

    A) Write his memoirs
    B) Go into the House of Lords
    C) Divorce his beard Sarah
    D) Join the Tories in a desperate bid to still taste power
    E) Kill himself

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  16. 31
    Cheese Lover says:

    So once more the feckless win and the prudent lose:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/8506877.stm

    “Council chiefs back ‘death tax’ to fund social care “

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  17. 37
    jgm2 says:

    That £24,985 quid looks suspiciously like it was engineered to be just less than £25,000. Presumably at which point it would be large enough to be reported automatically someplace rather than require an FOI request from somebody who had been tipped off. Or require Ministerial sign-off or something else that would be embarrassing for the Labour Jackasses.

    And the £24,985 (emphatically NOT 25,000) will have been trousered by some other Labour apparatchik for whom these years of Labour Idiocy have been most bountiful.

    25K for a one-day chalk and talk ‘role-playing’ event on your own fucking premises? Where did does the ‘facilitator’ live? St Barths?

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  18. 38
    David Cameron says:

    I would have taught the 44 Officers how to just that and also an introduction to U-Turns for just £12,000 cash.

    Bloody fools missed out again

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  19. 39
    MI5 says:

    The only training that Mandy gives to all his people (and has done for years) is how to spin, lie and fraud the British People they are meant to serve

    And thereby reduce public life in Britain to that of a sordid Banana Republic

    What a disgrace Nulabour are

    And what irreparable damage they have done to the country…

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  20. 41
    Joey Joe Joe says:

    Curry poison wife to stand for Labour when she’s released from prison. Herr Campbell said:

    “We like her style here at New Labour. Her fiendishly clever strategy of putting aconite in her husband’s favourite meal really impressed us at Millbank. Yes, it’s true she was caught. But she did succeed in killing her husband at least. We at New Labour like that kind of success rate. She can stand for us in a seat whenever she’s released from prison.”

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    • 54
      Mr Burke says:

      We will need a few more like her when the twenty grand death tax comes in.
      Could get a job as a hospital chef

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  21. 48
    toryrascal says:

    Ask Voldemort about the euro. Seems he’s not that good at dodging obvious problems there: http://toryrascal.wordpress.com/2010/02/11/how-euro-enthusiasts-work/

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  22. 49
    BT - connecting their pensioners to debt says:

    The hole in BT’s pension fund is £9bn – the largest pensions deficit ever announced by a listed British company.

    Just think; £9,000,000,000

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    • 57
      mondeoman says:

      Blame brown, it started in 1997 when he changed the tax treatment on dividends on pensions, this must not be forgotten and told everyday until the election. This is a scandal. They haven’t got a f****** clue!

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      • 60
        jgm2 says:

        Engineering an auction for five companies with only four licences for the available G3 bandwidth had them paying 20bn quid just to compete across Europe too. Thus further fucking their profitability and everybodies pension schemes too.

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    • 99
      Hugh Janus says:

      I don’t suppose BT are too concerned – if it goes tits up then most of this will be picked up by the taxpayer from the old Post Office arrangements. Can’t see BT busting a gut to do much about it, dividends and bonuses far more important.

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  23. 55
    Herman Van Rompuy says:

    You’re all fucking nuts

    Every one of you

    Good Morning

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  24. 58
    George Osborne aka Johnny Fartpants says:

    I’m guaranteed to get to shag the missus up the arse this weekend …..

    She’s dyslexic and thinks it’s Vaseline’s Day.

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  25. 59
    Cannon Fodder says:

    And the good news is…. that they have no where to hide now. It’s the internet and blogs like this that have allowed us, the little people to have a say and to reveal their dark secrets. They have always stolen from us but the difference is now that they also have to lie about it because the blogs and the FOI act are opening up an unexpected and very big can of worms. So they have had to become professional liars with seminars on how to do it most efficiently but be certain they don’t like it.

    So the bad news is…..they must be plotting as we speak to stop us nasty people on the internet from disrupting the government of the day and causing all this mayhem. China, Iran to name but two are doing it already. How long before this internet revolution becomes a poisonous crime which will be spun against by the government and of course the MSM? It is after all subversion and akin to terrorism. And which political party do you trust enough to reverse this ever increasing power of the state, The Bully Brown, Sweet Cameroon, Clever Cleggy or Chuck ‘em all out Griffin, or none of the above?

    Answers on a post card to Father Christmas at the North Pole.

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  26. 61
    Professor Pedantic says:

    day’s role play?

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    • 92
      Gordo "smalley Brainz" McBroon says:

      I like to role play somtimes I let Sarah be the woman for a change though.

      Remeber vote Labour, Vote often :}

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  27. 62
    David Cameron says:

    What have a Toyota and a rapist got in common?

    You can scream stop all you want, but either way you’re pretty much fucked.

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  28. 63
    Ned Kelly says:

    Followed the kids to Oz. Great lifestyle, wonderful weather. A Paki is a Paki, a Pommie a Pommie, an Aussie an Aussie and a Paddy a Paddy, on the whole great people and a fair society. Trouble is we have the equivalent of Gordon down under. Our Kev took an entourage of 141 (yes folks one hundred and forty one ) limpets with him to the Copenhagen Conference on climate change – what a carbon footprint.

    He continues to quote stats from the IPCC, an organisation (that India has now withdrawn from) that manipulates, destroys and falsifies data in support of climate change. Since Labour abolished the protection visa system, every four days a new boatload of asylem seekers arrive. Unlike GB the Aussies will see through him and get rid.

    Thank God for the weather.

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  29. 70
    Mr Plum says:

    Latest Poll – Labour surge continues

    CON 38% (40)
    LAB 25% (24)
    LD 20% (19)

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    • 76
      Guido Fawkes - Tory Blogger says:

      Mr Plum

      Please read “polling for idiots/guido fawkes readers”.

      You are quoting an “unweighted” poll. That poll in question has been 18 points and above lead for the last 2 years. It still represents a drop for the tories.

      It’s just unweighted. Translated – complete twaddle.

      Consensus, weighted polling, for the last month has been 8-9 point tory lead. Meaning hung parliament.

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    • 79
      Guido Fawkes - Tory Blogger says:

      Last 6 weighted polls:

      +8
      +9
      +7
      +8
      +7
      +9

      Average poll lead, 8. 20 seats short of a majority.

      I do worry for Cameron even if he gets in power. Not being able to hammer an unpopular government, after 13 years in power……………

      You know, it’s the equivilant of me not being to beat a 1 legged rat in a 100 metre sprint……….

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      • 83
        jgm2 says:

        20 seats short of a majority? You could clean up over on pb.com if you want to make that bet. They’ll bite your hand off.

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  30. 75
    Guido Fawkes - Tory Blogger says:

    A serious question.

    What are you lot going to do when the tories actually get in power. Guido included?

    As in, you must realise that much of your blogging fun is based on being in opposition, and the genre really doesn’t exist when your in power?

    “conspiracy”, “exposes”, “smears” are only based on people in office, making decisions. And as soon as the tories get in power, they will be the victims of political blogging like this, and sort of activism.

    And let’s remember, Cameron and Osborne’s combined political IQ is about 80, so it’s going to be open season on them. Probably from within their own party as well?

    I have a feeling Guido is secretly hoping Labour win. As let’s be perfectly frank. He only found any following, and fame, by bashing the Labour government.

    As soon as they are gone, he becomes obsolete, politically. Well in the mainstream.

    You’ll probably have some Labour Party planted, “Red Guido Fawkes” put on some off shore island, to do their Cameron bashing for them!?

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    • 80
      jgm2 says:

      Once the Tories are in they can start the criminal prosecutions against the Labour arseholes and bastards that destroyed the UK’s economy.

      That’ll keep me happy for years as they’re all jailed for their crimes.

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    • 85
      50 Calibre says:

      The fat lady has yet to sing. If DC doesn’t get off his arse and start going for the zanulab jugular based on what’s really important to most of the electorate, he may not get the majority he wants/needs/must have to do what needs to be done.

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    • 114
      Osama Bin fawkes says:

      It’s all in hand

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  31. 77
    Anonymous says:

    If you look at their website – Alexander Ballard specialise in climate change communications!

    With the amount of hot air being spouted in that building alone, if they cut it – it would reduce our carbon emissions by 2%

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  32. 93
    Ethan says:

    It’s not often that the BBC news has me in stitches. But yesterday while driving home they quoted Mandy as saying he was really upset that the CEO of Kraft had known about the Bristol Cadbury factory closing last week. He was really VERY upset at her slippery lies and evasions and half truths when he was talking to her just around the time of the merger.
    God I had to pull over to laugh at the prospect of Mandy finding dealing with someone just a oily and slippery as him so, distasteful.

    Here’s the phrase of Mandy’s that made me lose it.

    ‘honest, more straightforward and straight-dealing ‘

    Made my day.

    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/consumer_goods/article7021703.ece

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    • 117
      HaSo says:

      he say 404 error.ha ha ha thats so fucking funny

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    • 124
      Yvette cooper says AINT NO BED OF ROSES FOR ME PAL says:

      This from a man? who had to resign TWICE for being er dishonest you could`nt make it up I do love ol Mandy (not in that way you understand) oohh you are awfull

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  33. 95
    PissedOffWith'Em says:

    well, given that we are paying for the new labour electioneering already this comes as no surprise. not legal but no surprise.

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  34. 103
    Lola says:

    I’ve jusr listend to Mandy on an R4 interview with some BBC bint. I usually do a ‘lie count’ whenever he comes on. Today I lost count.

    So, handling tricky questions training = telling lies in a convincing way.

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  35. 104
    Shut That Door! says:

    The diabolical mincing jew was on R4 news (lying BBC shite) at one with failed Shirley Temple impersonator, Martha Kearney.

    His method seem to based on Don Logan’s diplomatic skills, “No no no no no no no no no no no…Yes, you’re Mr. Roundtree.” about the 2-year ‘degree’ courses.

    So he wants the illiterate, innumerate, drug-addled skill-less bastards staggering from the day prisons, that are ‘universities’ to the Job Centre (plus) a year earlier.

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    • 121
      TONY BENN'S WILL says:

      how many of the 6000 fewer places for British students will be filled by wealthy foreign student or even poor ones who get a loan from the UK taxpayer have their education then go back home and don’t repay the loan.Thanks a lot labour and thanks a lot Martha for not asking that question, you’re supposed to ask the questions the license payer wants asked!

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  36. 105
    cynic2 says:

    £600 per person per day for this? Are they made. The going brate should be £250 -£300 for a class this size

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  37. 110
    Engineer says:

    They should have asked me. In my experience of the engineering industry, the correct responses when asked a difficult question are either, “Fucked if I know” or “Fuck off and mind your own business”.

    I do accept that there may be some PR issues if these are used to the world’s media too often, however.

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