February 9th, 2010

Will Dave Really Crack Down on Lobbyists?

Yesterday Dave had a go at the hidden hand in our democracy:

Now we all know that expenses has dominated politics for the last year. But if anyone thinks that cleaning up politics means dealing with this alone and then forgetting about it, they are wrong. Because there is another big issue that we can no longer ignore.  It is the next big scandal waiting to happen. It’s an issue that crosses party lines and has tainted our politics for too long, an issue that exposes the far-too-cosy relationship between politics, government, business and money.  I’m talking about lobbying – and we all know how it works. The lunches, the hospitality, the quiet word in your ear, the ex-ministers and ex-advisors for hire, helping big business find the right way to get its way…

We don’t know who is meeting whom. We don’t know whether any favours are being exchanged. We don’t know which outside interests are wielding unhealthy influence. This isn’t a minor issue with minor consequences. Commercial interests – not to mention government contracts – worth hundreds of billions of pounds are potentially at stake.  I believe that secret corporate lobbying, like the expenses scandal, goes to the heart of why people are so fed up with politics. It arouses people’s worst fears and suspicions about how our political system works, with money buying power, power fishing for money and a cosy club at the top making decisions in their own interest.

We can’t go on like this. I believe it’s time we shone the light of transparency on lobbying in our country and forced our politics to come clean about who is buying power and influence.  Politics should belong to people, not big business or big unions, and we need to sort this out. So if we win the election, we will take a lead on this issue by making sure that ex-ministers are not allowed to use their contacts and knowledge – gained while being paid by the public to serve the public – for their own private gain.

Anyone involved in politics knows that lobbyists infest politics, lobbyists become politicians, politicians become lobbyists.  It is a sordid underhand, undemocratic trade practised out of sight of the voters and taxpayers.  Ex-ministers having to wait an extra year before profiting from their inside contacts is a minor improvement.  In the interests of having a transparent democracy we need to move towards a system where all contact between those who are seeking to modify, hinder or help the passage of any legislation have to declare and register their contacts with politicians and civil servants.  Lobbyists are covertly subverting democracy, it should be a criminal offence.

Is Dave really up for taking on the lobbyists?  Guido so wants to believe he would.  However look at the new Tory benches and the new intake of PPCs. Lobbyists and former lobbyists easily outnumber all other trades.  Obama said much the same thing, before he appointed lobbyists to his administration…

How many times has Dave met power lobbyists like Matthew Freud, Alan Parker and Roland Rudd? We know he socialises with them, parties with them, holidays with them and even hops on their private jets. Is that a bit too cosy?


409 Comments

  1. 1
    Blowing in the wind says:

    Don’t pay any attention. Dave changes his mind every 5 mins

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    • 3
      GEORGIE PEORGIE says:

      We’re all cracking down on lobbyists together (except the ones we’re giving safe seats to).

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      • 40
        Anonymous says:

        Does this mean an end to all consultants approved through the OGC?

        Some are acting (purporting to be) as planning consultant advisors to local authorities in receipt of planning applications submitted by their own clients… yet at the same time occupy a policy advising role to over 60 cetnral government departments…. and yet further have the priveleged role of lobbying agents.

        If dave practices what he preaches…. changes are a comin’!

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        • 75
          Wonka (jnr) says:

          The lobbyists are now so powerful and influential that they are dictating policy not just attempting to influence governments. The parties / politicians are now so involved with them that they appear to be blackmailed / bribed to the lobbyists directions.

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        • 271
          Arturo says:

          There is only one way to clean up politics and that is to dismatle it all together. (see Roget for “politics).
          I saw a site some years ago where a scheme was given proposed on the way to do it. The time is ripe now.

          http://www.angelfire.com/realm3/accord

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        • 354
          John Diffenthal says:

          @40, If what you say is true then it is a failure of public procurement operations. The legislative and operational balances exist already to prevent it.

          You are right that Buying Solutions, a department within the OGC, has established several different consultancy contract frameworks, but if you believe that people buy consultancy straight from the framework list of approved suppliers then you are living in a dreamworld. Buyers use a process known as Further Competition.

          If suppliers fail to declare conflicts of interest they are committing an offence.

          Will Dave make a difference – I seriously doubt it. He seems to lack the bottom to see much through.

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          • Anonymous says:

            A “supplier” (aka “independent” planning consultant) I know didn’t fail to make clear a conflict of interest, but actively denied it in writing during a public meeting.

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    • 22
      TheCourtOfPublicOpinion says:

      …and that’s a cast iron guarantee.

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    • 29
      anon, anon, anon...... says:

      Keep it up Guido, at this rate you’ll soon be part of the MSM

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    • 55
      Gordon ( SoldGoldAtThe ) BottomBrown says:

      Morning folks !! Gimme Fyffe !!

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    • 78
      Rat catcher says:

      Fuck Dave. lets do it.

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    • 92
      Ivor Longtodger says:

      Does Guido mean the Israel lobby?

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        Worried in Westminster says:

        As in Walt & Mearsheimer and if you look at the Blair ‘cash for honours’ saga you might well wonder. Membership of LFoI or CFoI has been advanced as a surer way of climbing internal ‘greasy poles’.
        Party funding is even a more problematic area than plain lobbyists as this is also far from altruistic. No wonder Brown was muted over the Gaza debacle following onfrom Obama and his speech to AIPAC citing Jerusalem as an undivided City…. ummm

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      • 220
        Anonymous says:

        Guido is a friend of the Israeli lobby. Which is the most powerful one in Westminster.

        When Cameron was running for the leadership, the Jewish Chronicle published an article entitled ‘Team Cameron’s Big Jewish Backers’. With quite a list of names who’d jumped on his bandwagon.

        And soon he was making a speech to Conservative Friends of Israel in which he said “There is something deep in our party’s DNA that believes in Israel”.

        …. there is of course no connection between the two…

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        • 253
          Kropotkin says:

          Interesting to know whether there is a potential offence of conspiracy to pervert under international law given the repeated apologist approach and covering up of Israel’s war crimes by both Dave and Gordon.

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      • 249
        Anonymous says:

        And also, of course, no connection between:

        a) The Israel lobby. Over 80% of Conservative MP’s being in Friends of Israel at the time of the vote to invade Iraq. And belief in Israel being in the “DNA” of the party

        and

        b) Their overwhelming vote for the UK to invade a country a continent away and which was no possible threat to the UK. But which was a nearby enemy of Israel.

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  2. 2
    REEVO says:

    With the antics of people like YEO and the U K’s most dominant political parties it is no surprise to UK voters that the next parliament will be turning away from a deeply flawed system. The voter now knows he/she DOES NOT have a voice they now know they have been ignored on important matters, fleeced, deceived and until now largely despised by Westminster.

    System tinkering will only mask the symptoms it won’t cure the disease that riddles Westminster.

    Voters are well aware that 52% of their MP’s should lose their jobs, indeed parliament could happily lose 52% and it would not make a scrap of difference the other 48% would have little enough to do!

    Expenses cheats have been named, now they should be punished in LAW, proffering up half or dozen or so sacrificial MP lambs isn’t going to placate the mob, not this time!

    M P’s have and still failing to represent the people that voted them into the job its their own skins they care most about!

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  3. 4
    Gypsy says:

    grow up, we voters know we don’t count

    how we can even pretend we live in a democratic society when Labour wield so much power with a gerrymandered vote and Brown has unilaterally mortgaged our future

    English policy is carried through reliant on the Scottish, Welsh and Irish who make differnet laws for themselves

    the answer? time, natural justice always takes care of things

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    • 8
      natural justice says:

      there is a natural justice

      I don’t care how much cash Blair has got, the fact he has to climb into bed each night with a wobbly witch is enough to prove it, I bet it is like throwing a sausage up an entry

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      • 49
        A Pensioner says:

        Now, what makes you think he gets into bed each night with slotty?

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        • 82
          Vincent Price says:

          They both shed their skins and hang from the rafters. But I’ll get them

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        • 105
          Lexington Steele says:

          Simple, with a gob like hers she must be able to provide the most exquisite er…pancreatitis relief (qv Gillian Taylforth) and there was a picture of her in the wife’s Daily Mail the other day showing a fair slice of cleavage….Hmmm…..wonder if she’d be up for a gleesome threesome with Teflon Tony and Carole Caplin? Again?

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        • 109
          GUY WITH A HUGE LOBBY ON says:

          Blair gets in bed with anyone with a big Wad !

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    • 12
      English Liberation Front says:

      Supposing Brown and his crew of Scottish wreckers were to get back in? I would predict a riot. In fact, I would predict Civil War!

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    • 25
      TheCourtOfPublicOpinion says:

      It so true that voters are totally irrelevant unless there’s an election coming up.

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      • 81
        Snap-on says:

        England is like a blocked up toilet at Heathrow, yellow piss, festering turds, footprints on the seat, spy hole in the wall

        England is just a paid for facility to shit in by those hate it

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      • 169
        Anonymous says:

        Most of them are irrelevant when an election is happening, either they don’t vote or they vote in a constituency where their vote is meaningless.

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  4. 5
    Throbber says:

    How to make a start at cleaning up politics.
    Lobbying should be illegal.
    Mps should be on a fixed salary with no expenses.
    No party donations should be allowed at all, from individuals, businesses or unions.
    The only funding available to parties should be from party members standard subscriptions. So more members, more funding. Less members – bye bye.
    Open primaries for all seats with a right of recall.
    Any constitutional amendment legislation should be put to a simple, plain english yes/no referendum.

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      English Liberation Front says:

      “Lobbying should be illegal.” – that would be absurd for our democratic process. What we need are rules on transparency.
      “Mps should be on a fixed salary with no expenses.” – too tough – MPs should be on better basic salaries than at present, with expenses claimed under the same Inland Revenue rules as for any of us.
      “No party donations should be allowed at all, from individuals, businesses or unions.” – too tough, but donations should be capped to prevent purchase of undue influence.
      “Open primaries for all seats with a right of recall.” – now that makes sense.
      “Any constitutional amendment legislation should be put to a simple, plain english yes/no referendum.” – agreed.

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        Throbber says:

        Too tough – you are having a laugh.
        It needs to be exceedingly tough.
        Softness is why we are where we are now.

        As for lobbying being needed – that is the absurdity. Organised lobbying for the benefit of powerful elites is a poison in our democracy – it is not for the benefit of the voters. Transparent or not it crowds out the voter in favour of vested interests and is extremely anti democratic.
        Proper bottom up democracy is what we need, not top down rule at the behest of the cliques we have now.

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          udderly 'orrible says:

          Glad to hear toughness is on the agenda. I want toughness against the banksters and their political cronies for stuffing the global economy and our lives so comprehensively.

          Day One and Task One for the new administration : appoint a Nuremberg Tribunal for Economic Crimes, put them all in the dock.
          Minimum sentences 15 years no remissions, that’s how long it will take us to recover from their mess … while some of us of course will be bankrupt and dead.

          (I know I’ve said it before but it bears repeating)

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        • 256
          Animal says:

          Throbber’s ideas veer from the idealistic to the downright undemocratic. There is this perception that lobbying is a tactic used solely by huge multi-national conglomerates to bend Government thinking. Absolute rubbish. Lobbying an MP can be done by anyone with a vested interest in any area of society, and can change people’s lives for the better. Where it goes wrong is in the opaqueness of the system and the un-level field in allowing anyone to question Ministers or MPs. Lobbying is not a bad thing – where it has gone wrong is in a complete lack of accountability and transparency. That is what has to change.

          Before anyone starts the traditional keyboard warrior stuff round here, remember that an MP should hold regular surgeries for constituents. Now, as this is itself a form of lobbying, Throbber wants to declare this to be illegal too – thus making MPs even less accountable to the people who voted them in. That’s very wrong.

          What certainly should be looked at very carefully is the media’s use of their power to attempt to enforce changes in law. Anyone reading a newspaper or magazine’s call to have legislation changed should immediately distrust the motives of the proprietor.

          The idea that MPs should be paid a levy with no allowable expenses system is absurd and makes the us as citizens as hypocrital as them. An MP should be under exactly the same rules as every other citizen in regards to their remuneration. It would very quickly see the biggest shake-up in taxation for generations once they experience the same regime we all have to suffer. In fact, apart from the right of MPs to speak in the House without fear of impunity I don’t really see what other legislation they have built up to protect themselves that should stay.

          While the idea that political parties can only be financed by membership subcription may appear sound, that would in itself be open to abuse by the block power of the Unions, who would simply include in their subcription automatic membership of the Labour Party – thus bumping up revenues for one party ahead of others. Donations from indviduals or organisations is not the problem, it is the obvious advantages that a political party confers upon those who make the donation that has to be sorted. Peerages, membership of committees and other political baubles should be based on merit, not cash, and it is high time this seedy aspect of politics was shoved out into the open once and for all.

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          • English Liberation Front says:

            Eloquently put. Agree 100%.

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          • Throbber says:

            Sorry you misunderstand me – the lobbying i am referring to is organised lobbying carried out by specialist lobbying firms. They distort the democratic process by effectively selling their “special access” to MPs to the highest bidder. Sorry i didn’t make myself 100% clear there. The concept of MPs having surgeries with their constituents is a sound one – what I am opposed to is the direct access and short cuts the lobbying firms have – this is terribly undemocratic. The media and its bias is very much of the same special access distortion and requires urgent action in my view.

            As for the party membership I wholly agree with your point about the unions – i would specifically outlaw such practices. Individual donations above party memberships are a problem – witness the F1 cigarette advertising scandal in New Liebours first term. Based on that one example alone I think they should not be allowed.

            Expenses – ok i can see a case for expenses on the same basis as anyone else – ie wholly and completely in relation to the employment as an MP – rigorously enforced with stiff penalties for breaches. Personally, given past behaviour I would disallow that entirely but I can see the contra argument.

            My thoughts may seem strident but as someone outside the Westminster Village, I have very little sympathy with the vulture class and feel they need to be dealt with severely.

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          • A Pig writes says:

            nothing wrong with vast quantities of money corrupting the system
            it’s extremely lucrative for me and my Piggy friends

            our current expenses system means MPs are under exactly the same rules as the common man
            if the common man had impunity from the Law and could commit fraud while being alowed to resubmit fraudulent claims without consequence

            it’s a grand life being a Pig and a Piggy apologist

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          • Animal says:

            Throbber, I think you hit the nailed on the head there. It’s not that lobbying is wrong, but who practices it and how.

            I am a bit minded that MPs, to some extent, need protecting from themselves. That’s why I’d prefer to see an independent – and in this it really has to be so – body that watches and advises Members. To that end they would be more than a bunch of investigators; they would be able to give advise to MPs who are genuinely unsure if a particular activity, claim or meeting would be acceptable. Everything would be documented so that it can be used as evidence in case incorrect advice was ever given, and if an MP was advised ‘no’ and carried on then they would be unable to wriggle.

            Sadly, MPs are so enamoured with their lifestyle they’re looking for muddled, beauracratic answers that only serve to obsfuscate and delay what really should be a simple process. What is really crucial here is that the House looks like having a huge new influx of MPs in a few weeks time, and the lack of direction and purpose means a lot of completey innocent mistakes are just waiting to happen. Which means more tainted MPs and an even more disillusioned public.

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        Sir William Waad says:

        We should have a Lobbying Disclosure Act as in the USA. With a few clicks of the mouse you can find out exactly which lobbyists your Congressperson has met and how much they have contributed to his/her campaign or to causes he/she wishes to promote.

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          sockpuppet #4 says:

          Sort of. But that makes it legal and apparently legitimate.

          I suppose in theory you’d vote out an MP that speaks for the people who pay him rather than constituents, but most of the time people vote for a party and not an individual. So it would be up to the party which lobby-mps they kept. Survival of the docile.

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          • English Liberation Front says:

            Point is – if you know which lobbyists an MP is beholden to, you can monitor their speeches and voting patterns to see how much influence has been brought to bear. It is a big step forward from where we are now.

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          • Oink says:

            You can follow their voting patterns and see who their lobbyist is. we are there already

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      • 84
        Bill Doors says:

        Mp’s don’t need to be in London anymore. Use the internet, Come to think of it fuck them all off and we can all vote on the fly through the internet for everything.

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        • 93
          Bill Doors says:

          IE crashed here.so you will find a repeat of this at the bottom

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          • It's my money you're stealing! says:

            Never mind all that, what we need is a flat tax of 10% with a tax-free pay limit of ten grand. If that doesn’t raise enough tax, tough titty. Scrap all the quangos and diversity awareness monkeys and clamp down fiercely on benefits cheats.

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        • 269
          Animal says:

          Hmmm, sounds suspiciously like a Micheal Rimmer opportunity if that were to happen.

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        • 272
          Old Holborn says:

          Exactly. I don’t need someone in Westminster doing what their party whip tells them to do instead of what I want them to do.

          Press the red button on your remote etc.,

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          • Animal says:

            OH, you need to remember Rimmer’s masterstroke in becoming the President of Great Britain. Brilliant film though.

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    • 373
      Thats News says:

      Mps should be on a fixed salary with no expenses

      MPs from the constituencies furthest away from Westminster could not afford to attend debates, or would rarely see their constituencies.

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      • 385
        Porkbusters says:

        turn the forthcoming Olympic village into a housing complex for MPs
        problem solved

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      • 393
        Throbber says:

        Do you really think we’d miss the ones from the outlying areas?
        Actually – fuck them all – pay them all nothing.
        How about we let their local constituencies pay them what they think they are worth.
        That might focus their minds.

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  5. 6
    Johnny Norfolk says:

    Hens and teeth come to mind.

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    English Liberation Front says:

    “Is Dave really up for taking on the lobbyists? Guido so wants to believe he would. Look at the Tory benches and the new intake of PPCs: lobbyists and former lobbyists easily outnumber all other trades. With an eye on the next government big lobbying firms have been on a hiring spree for anyone with good Tory contacts .”

    I certainly believe so – at least he is discussing the problem, which is a big step forward in itself. There will always be lobbyists and lobbying – it is after all an integral part of the democratic process. However, as DC says, it should be transparent – we need to know with which lobbyists MPs are associated, so we are informed about the judgements they make on the issues.

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      John Bull says:

      It will be interesting to see who is lined up for jeff ennis’s seat ( Barnsley east, Mexborough), he has just said he’s going to stand down. I think he knows there’s a fair chance he’d get it up him from the strong local nationalist feeling and doesn’t fancy working and fighting for the trough after god knows how many easy years. Perhaps we’ll get another oxbridge twat like Milliband who would never have set foot up here apart for the allure of the trough. Get eady you traitorous bastards.

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      AA says:

      Is Rupert Murdoch a lobbyist? Eh Eh?

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  7. 10

    Dugg here >>> http://digg.com/d31IEMV?t

    And he won’t, he is a lobby group in himself for Gawds’ sake!

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  8. 11
    John Bull says:

    No – next question.

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  9. 14
    Anonymous says:

    Yet another Blairesque moment for dave!

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  10. 15
    backwoodsman says:

    A more immediate ‘influence’ problem to look at, is to ensure that nulab are not subsidising their election campaign advertising, through any cozy little side deals on the sudden rash of government TV and radio adverts being broadcast.

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      Hugh Janus says:

      I completely agree, but if we haven’t been able to put a stop to this fraudulent and costly practice in 13 years of NuLiebour deceit, we are hardly likely to succeed in the next 2-3 months.

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    jgm2 says:

    Is this a coded warning from Cameron? Is he aware of some very big story that’s about to break? Tens of billions of PFI funding organised by RBS and HBoS perhaps? Might explain why they went unregulated if it was the only way Brown could hide hundreds of billions of spending off balance sheet.

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  12. 17
    A Lobbiest says:

    Don’t listen to Guido. I spend hours each week and millions of pounds cosying up to your local MP – finding out about their needs, pleasures and desires and fulfilling them – just for the odd vote here and there. Ifluence? What influence?

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  13. 18
    Cobbet's Rural Rides says:

    Guido and Readers,

    An article on the ‘corruption and debt’. We have been here before!

    http://www.niallferguson.com/site/FERG/Templates/ArticleItem.aspx?pageid=207

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    • 64
      Anonymous says:

      “But what of Labour? Here the picture is altogether more bleak. After a dozen years in power, the members of the parliamentary party resemble nothing more closely than the nomenklatura of the old Eastern Bloc – the communist party cronies who were handed all the plum administrative jobs.
      Most are party hacks whose sole qualification for a seat in our national legislature was a tour of duty in local government. Bullied mercilessly by hard-boiled Scotsmen who learned their politics in the student unions and regional authorities of the drizzly North, these greyapparatchiks must make Lord Mandelson wince on the (mercifully few) occasions when he has to socialise with them.”

      How True……..

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  14. 21
    Anonymous says:

    MP’s should never be allowed to use their positions to further their own interests, and I am glad you pressured Tim Yeo the way you did.

    The only regret I have is that he, and all the others, will never be brought to book.

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  15. 23
    Sir William Waad says:

    “Once in the racket you’re always in it. ” – Al Capone

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  16. 24
    DV8 says:

    What WOULD be interesting is if he proposed this to apply to local councils as well.
    There are too many rotten boroughs out there.
    Our local one is Tory, and has been bought and paid for many times over

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      GUY WITH A HUGE LOBBY ON says:

      Totally agree: when they print councilors expences in the local paper you can see the would be future troughers coming to light
      funny how the Asian councilors always top the list !

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    • 183
      Susie says:

      And then there’s the unelected council officials… one of my Borough Council didn’t know who our ward District Councillor was.

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    laocowboy2 says:

    Probably the worst effect of all this will be to discourage decent people from wanting to serve as an MP. As an oldie I can remember when being an MP was seen as being (a) honorable and (b) of influence. Now they stand soewher between drug dealers and estate agents.

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    • 30
      Tom Logan, Institute for Studies says:

      How dare you! Some of the most honourable people I know are drug dealers. Fair comment on estate agents though.

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  18. 31
    Vote Vote Vote for Jacqui. says:

    For a long time now my posts have been focussed on FAT troughing bastards.

    SixBellies Jackboot Jacqui,The SnotGobbler and TwoKharziSeats Prescott.

    I have laughed my bollox off many times at my own takes and the takes of others.
    I began to believe I am in fact suffering from an obsessive FAT bastard
    misforune syndrome until now that is.
    I have had so much pleasure,orgasmic like ,in the downfall of Top Asian Cop Ali Daziel that my obsession with FAT bastards is over. He is only a little bit
    chubby after all.
    Life is worth living after all.Four fucking years,another orgasm coming on.

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    Anonymous Coward says:

    What about all the advisers for the present Administration who are seamlessly moving over to the likely next Administration?

    I think some of them may well be earnest and decent folk, but it does give the impression that these unelected quangocrats / denizens of the Westminster Village are the permanent ruling class – pulling the strings behind the scenes. *sigh*

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    • 48
      Anonymous says:

      The Civil Service pays very well – and the jobs are all but guaranteed.

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    • 80
      GUY WITH A HUGE LOBBY ON says:

      My friends daughter moves in the top circls of government
      and i know as a fact that a lot of those top jobs are passed from father to son without anyone ever being able to apply for the job its always been the way !

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        shelling-out says:

        I went for a job in a government department last year after being made redundant. I was more then able to do the job and the application form alone was 22 pages long. I was called for interview for which I had to travel some distance from my home.

        On leaving, I saw someone in the foyer who was met be the person who met me an hour earlier. They were on first name terms. Needless to say, I didn’t get the job.

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        • 125
          Non DE Plume says:

          I wrote for a job as Joe Smith at a University and got told no vacancies. I wrote again as Abdullah Singh and got it.

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        • 221
          Worried in Westminster says:

          Yes but they have to have the interview to explain it was competitive even though the whole thing was already stitched up. Someone explained it was part of the shifting Civil Servants around every two years, so when a project went disastrously over budget there was no single person to blame as no Civil Servant was there too long… and Ministers also seem to revolve.

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      • 131
        jgm2 says:

        There is a whole sub-culture of careerist civil servant families. I knew nothing about so-called civil service entrance exams until I was leaving university. These families on the other hand have been preparing their kids for years.

        Past papers – shit like that. Fast-track promotions, glittering ‘careers’ and retire on a generous pension and a gong or two commensurate with rank from a grateful nation.

        On the other hand this current crop of civil servants have had to eat shit from a crowd of incompetent arseholes that would make your teeth bleed to listen to the ignoramuses. It must be soul destroying after a good university and good education to listen to the Labour imbeciles as they conjure up their latest idiocy for you to roll out to an unsuspecting electorate. And will they listen to reason? will they fuck. In fact the more exasperated you are the more they like it. Ha ha – putting it to the civil service toffs.

        What a fucking shambles.

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    • 118
      Winker Watson says:

      You spelt quangocrats wrong it’s quangorats

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  20. 35
    Gordon Brown says:

    JUST REMEMBER

    LABOUR IS THE PARTY OF THE MANY

    CONSERVATIVES ARE THE PARTY OF THE FEW

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    On Harman Pride's Dossier says:

    Surely it wouldn’t be too hard to introduce the following system:

    1) Before the start of each day, MPs are required to declare any prejudicial interest in any item on the order paper, including any formal or informal contact from lobbyists in the previous 12 months.
    2) The office of the Speaker can decide whether any declared interest should preclude the member from speaking, and possibly even voting on that issue
    3) Non-disclosure, even accidental, will be a criminal offence punished by a punitive fine. The presumption wil be that the fine will be greater than the maximum possible gain to the member – in other words, crime won’t pay.

    That sounds like a lot of work, but that’s kind of the point – lobbyists will find MPs doors slammed in their faces because of the overhead.

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    • 70
      GUY WITH A HUGE LOBBY ON says:

      Can you imagine how many excuses you would hear like

      it was a slight oversight

      it was a mistake

      i totally forgot that i played golf with him yesterday

      although he’s my brother we are very rarely in contact

      yes i did meet him but on a totally unrelated matter

      yes he is my husband but we never discuss our work

      i never had sex with rent boys on his yacht that secured him a large contract

      of course i was photographed at his villa but i booked it off an advert in the newspaper

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      Gordon and Dave says:

      I’d block it
      So would I.

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  22. 41
    Ali C says:

    Out of my way! I’m a sobbyist!

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    Mr Plum says:

    I seem to remember Blair sweeping into power on a bandwagon in order to clean up politics.
    How those labour luvvies in the media must have laughed.

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    • 61
      GUY WITH A HUGE LOBBY ON says:

      He certainly cleaned up in politics now a multi milionare
      i think it was reported that he’s made 30 million since leaving office !
      and thats probably just the intrest on what Bush paid him for a small favour

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    • 140
      Noel Gallagher says:

      I said to our kid the first time I met Blair at the party.”He’s a fucking wierdo”.

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        North, but not Scotland says:

        Noel, can you remember saying this? “There are seven people in this room who are giving a little bit of hope to young people in this country, that is [sic] me, our kid, Bonehead, Guigs, Alan White, Alan McGee and Tony Blair. And if you’ve all got anything about you, you’ll go up there and you’ll shake Tony Blair’s hand, man. He’s the man! Power to the people!”

        Blair gave them hope alright, he even gave some of them a dodgy SA80, inadequate body armour, insufficient helicopters and Landrovers with tinfoil armour and those lucky young people “hoped” they wouldn’t get shot.

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  24. 47

    Lobbying is perfectly legit – we all do it. Ranting at your MP is kinda lobbying. But it should be *transparent*. Any benefits that change hands should be, benefits in kind should be, and MPs should forego future employment in companies they lobby for…. forever. Thats’ the only way to eliminate invisible future benefits.

    But the best bet is simply to eliminate political parties- not via a ban, but introduce a cap on election spending and make all campaigns local. Put the local independents on a level playing field with the party machines. Wipe out the parties, and you wipe out nine tenths of the *pull* to corrupt businesses, NGOs, charridees, etc. Lobbying becomes less useful, the less block voting there is.

    The enemy is not lobbyists, but the mainstream political parties – they serve themselves before they serve us. We *know* this, as fact. As fact. Why do we tolerate it?

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    • 50
      Anonymous says:

      Apathy.

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    • 59
      sockpuppet #4 says:

      not “perfectly” legit.
      Theres a sliding scale, from individuals lobbying, to groups of individuals, to organisations (RSPCA?) who might be able to say “our members think X”.

      You’re already getting towards a case there where the lobbying might not match what the individuals think. From there on its not legit.

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  25. 53
    It's all Balls says:

    Cripes – the cynics are out in force today. What is their solution – anarchy?

    At least Dave has lifted the veil and will now find it difficult not to keep going with this until all 7 are removed.

    Good luck to him. He will be up against significant vested interests including those in the MSM so he can expect a rough ride.

    Perhaps he has got some bottle after all?

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      giant bee says:

      Hear hear. It’s hard to believe, but his statement challenges the real power in the country – big business and the crooks that wheel and deal on their behalf for policy that supports their aims and profits.

      I’m all for lobbying but it has to be transparent or it is completely undemocratic. Labour love to do deals; remember the article “Britain For Sale” – and we have no say in it at all.

      Of course whether he actually does anything is another matter, and we all know CMD is almost as likely to change his mind on anything as the Ruin.

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    • 173
      AC1 says:

      Guido (like me) is a Minarchist.

      We just think the state should ONLY do the things it can do well, and have as few extra rights over the population as possible. The state can only really do Force* based things well.

      *Armed Forces, Police, Judiciary, Contract Enforcement, Land-Rights, IP rights, Currency.

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        Susie says:

        *Armed Forces, Police, Judiciary, Contract Enforcement, Land-Rights, IP rights, Currency.

        Totally agree.

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      • 287
        Old Holborn says:

        Does the State clean your teeth or change the wheel on your car?

        It would if it could. So why do so many feckless idiots expect it to house them, feed them, cure them of all illnesses and look after them

        Look around the room you are in. Try and find ONE thing not monitored or regulated by the State. Just ONE. You can’t. From the lightbulb to the thickness of the glass in the window, every fucking aspect of your life is regulated and monitored by an enormous army of inspectors.

        100 yeras ago you met the State twice. Once at birth and once at death. Now, even the State dictates the size of pillow you rest your head on to sleep.

        How the fuck did we get here?

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        • 331

          WW2.

          A shellshocked nation vote labour in ’45, while suffering from post traumatic stress disorder. This would count as agreeing to a contract under duress, which, as such, would be nullified in any jurisdiction. Ergo, no legislation apssed since 1945 has been legal.

          job done.

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        • 353
          sockpuppet #4 says:

          The state does, in a way, change the wheel on your car.
          They’ll be after you if you’ve got less than 1mm (*) tread on your tyres.

          Perhaps by your standards I’m a statist commie git for saying “good job too”. Theres plenty of twats out there, and you don’t get compensation from them if you’re dead.

          (* yeah I know, but they won’t be after you for 1.55mm)

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        • 387
          NoeCons are twats says:

          the private sector is incorruptable and can do everything better than the state

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  26. 54
    shelling-out says:

    Should we lobby them to get our expenses money back then?

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  27. 57
    GUY WITH A HUGE LOBBY ON says:

    lets face it these old Labour scum came to parliament in donkey jackets and hob nain boots
    some probably didn’t own a suit
    and leave with huge property portfolios
    they didn’t get them on an MP’s salary and a bit of expences did they ?
    they all end up milionaires

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  28. 58
    Soothsayer says:

    The chances of Call Me Dave being able or even interested in this are about zero. He knows how the system works, who benefits etc etc.

    Ask yourself why would someone like Dave go into politics, to help you, me, anyone other than his mates, I think not!

    As he surrounds himself with people like ‘Fish finger Ross’ then Guido you are living in cloud cuckoo land!

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    • 65
      I B Seldom-Lucid says:

      OK – I’ll take the bait. Perhaps it could be that MPs who have no great need for more money are less likely to be tempted.

      I wouldn’t go so far as to say that Dave’s motives are altruistic – it might spoil the tone of the blog.

      On the other hand, I am pretty sure that most of the Labour a***holes do it entirely for greed. I loathe the working class heroes who turn their backs on their origins.

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        nell says:

        I think you go too far to call labour mp’s ‘working class’.

        They have none of the hard working, decent, honest principals that real working class folk have.

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          I B Seldom-Lucid says:

          Sorry – perhaps my sarcasm is too subtle.

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          • I B Seldom-Lucid says:

            OTOH – that is why Brown and Labour are completely FUBAR. They are despised by the very people they pretend to represent. They are parasites on the working classes.

            A big part of Brown’s desperation – wild promises on NHS – is because he knows that.

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          Engineer says:

          Many of them might once have had those principles, and a few still do (the oft-mentioned Frank Field and Kate Hoey, for example) but they seem to have shed their principles remarkably easily when faced with temptation.

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          • AC1 says:

            I wouldn’t call either of them working class, but at least their thinking is consistent*.

            *i.e. I might not agree with everything they suggest but at least I can follow a “mental route”, the rest of the MPs seem to have zero brainpower and just expect the constant expediency of covering stuff up with taxpayers money to work.

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          • Cuntsites says:

            Frank Field never had any in the first place, he was just good at making out he did.The Hunt

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      • 149
        Hugh Janus says:

        “I loathe the working class heroes who turn their backs on their origins.”

        None more so than Gorbals Mick of course. A king amongst the so-called working class troughers.

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          giant bee says:

          When will people realise that Labour is the enemy of the working class, and not it’s saviour ? Labour’s Socialists want to keep people down ! They don’t want people learning and bettering themselves, cos then they’d start questioning. It’s all so cynical. Time for a drink methinks..

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    • 83
      Colonel Nut. says:

      When someone really tries to uncover Parliamentary corruption, like Elizabeth Filkin did,the Parties and their sponsors and lickspittles close ranks across their divisions to preserve the status quo and their financial interests and oust the investigator

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        shelling-out says:

        Of course they do. Can’t have the minions finding out how and where they make their profits, now, can they.

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      • 133
        Soothsayer says:

        Colonel – Make that man a brigadier

        Exactly, in a four and multiples of four years rotating dictatorship nothing changes and nothing ever will.

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    Moley says:

    A huge number of MPs knew that they were guilty of varying degrees of misdemeanour over their expenses; and they displayed that guilt by doing everything in their power to conceal their activities.

    They will face the same test over lobbying. If they have nothing to hide, they will welcome complete transparency and the opportunity to repair the reputation of Parliament that comes with it.

    On the subject of the reputation of Parliament and politicians, it is accepted that individuals in Government do not like losing power and privilege, sometimes because they have committed acts which they know will be exposed by a change of Government and may be punished.

    It is worth reading this article to understand what lengths Governments will go to, to hang on to power.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/7193998/Endgame-for-Mahmoud-Ahmadinejad-in-Iran.html

    The Labour Party faces defeat under a leader who has not got the mental ability to formulate clearly defined moral guidelines regarding what acts are permissible in order to hang on to power.

    It is up to those around him to ensure that there is dignity in defeat and the core values of democracy are maintained. We do not want to see Parliament further debased by a campaign based on outright lies, distortions and personal smears.

    As for the use of force as the Iranian Government is doing; the force will be opposed by an equal and opposite force; Governments that take life in the pursuit of power end up paying with their lives.

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    • 134
      Star Geezer says:

      “The Labour Party faces defeat under a leader who has not got the mental ability to formulate clearly defined moral guidelines regarding what acts are permissible in order to hang on to power”
      .
      I predict (although not uniquely) Brown will attempt illegal acts and that he – following defeat – will ‘bunker-like’ kill himself !

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      I B Seldom-Lucid says:

      Perhaps we can hope that the Iranian people are not so lazy and apathetic as the British people. They are probably clever enough to know that if they let their government deliver a telling blow, the response will be terrible. Iran has no friends in its immediate vicinity and lots of enemies, some of whom most definitely have awesome firepower.

      You can get oil out of irradiated rocks and we could probably manage without pistachios for a few months.

      Sadly, the Brits do not see that Brown is delivering his telling blow. He will not surrender power until he has completely destroyed the country.

      These promises re. what the NHS is to deliver are worrying, irrational and desperate. Is there nobody with the courage to put and end to his insane and wicked behaviour?

      (Multiple choice question! Choose from No or F*** No. You have 45 minutes. You may start writing)

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  30. 63
    Patricia Hewitt says:

    This is extremely outrageous!!

    How dare the rich, silver spoon Tory boys seek to prevent little people like me earning huge sums from me contacts in the Medical industry! Disgusting it is!!

    I shall contact me employer’s lobbyist at Westminster immejitlee, if not sooner to stop this outrage

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  31. 68
    Tim says:

    Anyone know where to see the list of PPCs with their profession?

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  32. 76
    John Terry says:

    This is rubbish of course, Boots would have given Patricia Hewitt a job in any case, just to have the sexy little thing hanging around the office.

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    • 85
      Colonel Nut. says:

      Boots up the arse is what she deserves.

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    • 102
      shelling-out says:

      Boots? She wouldn’t know where to start. These people are deviod of reality and full of their own self-importance but have little or no common sense at all.

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      • 107
        shelling-out says:

        …or even devoid

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        jgm2 says:

        Ahhh BOOTS. You’d think she’d refuse to join the board on principle. After all their new boss is none other than Andy Hornby – ex boss of HBOS. One of those who is to be judged in the court of public opinion and certainly not associated with in any way.

        Refuse on principle? Ahahahahahahahaha.

        Labour politician? Principle? Ahahahahaha.

        Although of course this stigmatising of the banks was only ever naked scape-goating to avoid blame for the economic clusterfuck that they allowed to occur on their watch. Arseholes. Incompetent jackasses and arseholes.

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      • 138
        .243 Win says:

        Classic case of corporatocracy in action :

        Macho corporate fuckwits trying to one-up eachother with influential people they can name-drop are naturally attracted to high profile pols – who in turn are naturally attracted to wheelbarrow loads of easy cash offered for the prospect of directorships after they ditch out of the House of Shame.

        Interesting to see that latest scare tactics being pushed by Pravda this morning with the CEOP types : ‘You’re children are in danger on-line, you’re only safe with the large corporates as “providers” ‘ was the message.

        Gone completely away from the approach of knowing who you’re dealing with on a local level and taking responsibility for things yourself, hasn’t it ?

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        • 162
          Hugh Janus says:

          “…..and taking responsibility for things yourself…”

          Good God, have you taken leave of your senses? We are talking 13 years of NuLiebour control-freakery and the nanny state here (although I accept that it seems like at least a lifetime).

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          shelling-out says:

          The larger the scale, the harder it is to trace, and the easier it will be for government to spy on people. Isn’t that what it’s alll about?

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  33. 88
    Bill Doors says:

    Fuck all Mp’s off. we can all vote on the fly through the internet.

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    • 339
      albacore says:

      Erm, what was that echo above about Internet Explorer crashing?
      Rumour has it M$ has lots of lovely patches to issue today.
      Think I’ll wait and let the automatic-download beta-testers try ‘em out first.
      As for voting on-line, that must be the biggest wet dream that even the Lib/Lab/Con tossers could slaver over.

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    jgm2 says:

    Dave’s just fucking asking for it….

    http://www.conservatives.com/Donate/Donor_Clubs.aspx

    The Leader’s Group

    Annual membership: £50,000 Chairman: Andrew Feldman

    The Leader’s Group is the premier supporter Group of the Conservative Party. Members are invited to join David Cameron and other senior figures from the Conservative Party at dinners, post-PMQ lunches, drinks receptions, election result events and important campaign launches.

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  35. 101
    jgm2 says:

    Dave’s just fucking asking for it….

    http://www.conservatives.com/Donate/Donor_Clubs.aspx

    The Leader’s Group

    Annual membership: £50,000 Chairman: Andrew Feldman

    The Leader’s Group is the premier supporter Group of the Conservative Party. Members are invited to join David Cameron and other senior figures from the Conservative Party at dinners, post-PMQ lunches, dr*nks receptions, election result events and important campaign launches.

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  36. 103
    Clarence says:

    Do trades unions count as lobbyists?

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    Greychatter says:

    Starting to talk about the Lobby system is a good start the more under-hand corrupt dealings are exposed the better.

    Should we make a start with No. 10?

    Three Labour MP’s thrown to the dogs won’t cover up Gordon Brown method of government.
    How does a PM like Tony Blair make so much money in such a short time?
    How has Peter Mandelson got where he is?

    Love people and use money, not the other way around. A few quid to charity doesn’t make it right.

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    Paddy says:

    Um…

    How can you stop people having lunch with each other and discussing things of interest?

    If a man takes a lady out for an excellent supper and fills her with champagne and they then choose to sleep with each other that is courtship. I fear that you are confusing this with prostitution.

    How would you regulate this?

    Please do explain if I have misunderstood anything here.

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      I B Seldom-Lucid says:

      It might be a better comparison if you were to say that the gentleman concerned was married to a different lady, that he was the guardian of nationally important and sensitive information, that the lady concerned was in the employ of someone who wanted that information and was equipped with sound recording devices.

      Also, that he has a face like a bag full of spanners, a fat wobbly arse, some fake Tudor beams in his mansion and couldn’t pull his own todger let alone a good looking bint unless she had the ocular abilities of that fat turd burglar in Downing Street. But he is stupid enough to believe that he is a luuurve God because of his importance.

      Nobody in Westminster is as stupid as yo… sorry, yes they all are.

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    • 176
      Sir William Waad says:

      Full disclosure, that’s the answer.

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      shelling-out says:

      The same way you regulate Doctors and solicitors. A Code of Ethics and by that I mean a proper Code of Ethics, not just a Green Book which can be interpreted to suit.

      For the perpetrators, punishment would include a huge fine together with a very stiff sentence, the invalidation of their pension and never being allowed within cooee of any government/council department, ever.

      It’s a nice thought, but it’ll never catch on.

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      • 202
        Big Della says:

        Ali Dizaei got a stiff sentence here last night

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      • 289
        Kropotkin says:

        Sorry – you think doctors and solicitors are properly regulated? Most of the staged claims rings are organised by solicitors in the North West and Midlands. The authorities know this and have the evidence, names and addresses but are unwilling to move against their own. As for doctors; fine as long as you support the mainstream view. Start being contentious and hello kangaroo court.

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  40. 120
    AC1 says:

    On Topic and a possible quote of the day…

    When buying and selling are controlled by legislation, the first things to be bought and sold are legislators.
    P. J. O’Rourke

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  41. 121

    Harriet Harman is in the running for rear of the year. –
    Underneath that frumpy,plain disapproving exterior she would love to have an ‘allo ‘allo Herr Flick session with Gordy.

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  42. 122
    Churchill says says:

    Ohhhhhhh Yes…

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  43. 125
    Engineer says:

    Dave could make an immediate start by selecting PPCs with real-world backgrounds, or even better, by allowing local Conservative Associations to select their own candidates, preferably local people. The central list dominated by political researchers and lobbyists sits rather uneasily with yesterday’s statement.

    That said, the general tone of his statement is welcome. However, the devil is always in the detail, and this is one area of political life with a lot of very iffy details.

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    • 151
      sockpuppet #4 says:

      “real world backgrounds”?! By that logic he should sack himself.

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      Yardarm says:

      Fully agree, Engineer that MPs should be local people of substance and experience not these careerist fuckers who`ve never known an honest day`s work, just imbibed politics since they hung off their mother`s teat and now want a job for life hanging off our teat and get parachuted in. Agree, Sockpuppet that would rule DC out.

      I think the problem as DC and the other party bosses would see it would be the independence of the local constituencies. They might well tell CCHQ to stick their PC shortlists; they might well support an embarrassing MP against the leader`s wishes.

      Cast your minds back to the sunny carefree days of `97 when sleaze came in the form of used fivers in an envelope – how quaint. One of the many pains in John Major`s arse was the stubborn refusal of Tatton constituency to ditch Neil Hamilton thus leading to the Martin Bell scenario.

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  44. 128
    GUY WITH A HUGE LOBBY ON says:

    What about the”BlobbyLobby” ie Prescott and his Chinese friend s

    rets get mia preshcot he big fick fucker
    an he rike fuckie fuckie so we gi him girrys
    an
    we geh big useress cun to rook afer chinese intrest in bwitten

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  45. 129
    lenko says:

    But aren’t the freemasons another powerful lobbying group? And hasn’t Dave hosted at least one freemason “event” at the Commons? (And Berco another) As I recall it, one has to be fairly well off to become a freemason… and they do have a tendancy to “look after one another”.

    Not a word in the press on this subject, nor from Guido, come to that. Are you one of the rolled-up trouser brigade, Guido?

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    • 156
      GUY WITH A HUGE LOBBY ON says:

      No you dont have to be well off to be a freemason
      i knew a guy who was a bricklayer for the council and one who was a plumber for another council and both were freemasons !

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    • 159
      The All Seeing Eye says:

      You’ll be telling us that they hang people under Blackfriars Bridge next!

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      Sir William Waad says:

      I doubt that the Lady Freemasons of Witney are a powerful group, secretly plotting to dominate the Universe. I picture the Honourable Fraternity of Ancient Freemasons more as a group of well-spoken, well-upholstered, apronned ladies of a certain age, conservatives in the best senses of the word.

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    • 244
      Clarence says:

      For what do Freemasons lobby? Tax relief on silly handshakes?

      I guess Dave’s hob-nobbing with aprons has more to do with building contacts with senior professionals than anything else.

      I don’t know if Masonic lodges commonly donate to political parties – a quick look at the Electoral Commission website will confirm or deny this.

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    Phew Furnley-Shittingstall says:

    England is like a blocked up toilet at Heathrow, yellow piss, festering turds, footprints on the seat, spy hole in the wall

    England is just a paid for facility to shit in by those hate it

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  48. 153
    Peter Hain says:

    Nothing to do with me.

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  49. 155
    Demographics my dear Dr. Watson, demographics says:

    OT but equally important to anyone who watched ‘Ji.had Generation’ last night, what the **** is Call Me Dave doing being proud to put up for election the first Tory M.uslim MP.

    It will come round to bite not only him but the entire country in the arse!

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    • 298
      Kropotkin says:

      Its a bit like the England cricket team around 1900 where nobility from the sub continent were treated as honorary whites. Dave has a category of honorary twats.

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    • 409
      Anonymous says:

      You are exactly why so many people hate our party. You are a proper twat you retard fuck. Get a fucking brain you shy.

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  50. 157
    Anonymous says:

    test

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  51. 166

    […] Guido Fawkes today launched his strongest assault yet on lobbyists, declaring today […]

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  52. 168
    Bloody Hell .................. says:

    “the Government could fall victim to a sudden increase in its funding costs”
    .
    ………. the I M F is coming …….

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    • 177
      jgm2 says:

      Plenty of Building Societies already paying savers 4.5 – 5% for 3/4/5 year bonds. This 0.5% interest rate is a fucking gag.

      This recession hasn’t even got started yet.

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        I B Seldom-Lucid says:

        Exactly jgm2 – follow the money.

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      • 231
        The IMF is coming says:

        http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE6181E320100209

        Even with the £ shafted, trade deficit worsened. Growth my arse. Recession.

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        • 239
          The IMF is coming says:

          While we are on the subject – slow house sales in Jan, worst jan high street sales growth in 15 years

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          • jgm2 says:

            Banks having to pay 5% for savers cash is the giveaway. Inflation and higher interest rates here we come. The housing crash was merely postponed by the application of 300bn quid of borrowed money.

            Gosh – who would have believed that was what they were up to. 300bn quid just to prop up house prices until after the election. It’s almost as if high house prices were the only ‘industry’ we’ve had for the past decade.

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          • Kirsty Allsopp says:

            We are world leaders

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          • Susie says:

            W

            If there’s a hung Parliament an L…

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          AC1 says:

          > Even with the £ shafted, trade deficit worsened.

          Nope the pound falling means we have to pay more for imports.

          This isn’t good news as it means that we could be mostly importing demand inelastic goods.

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      • 355
        albacore says:

        5% on a bond locking your savings in until 2015 in the aftermath of Gordon’s financial wizardry?
        Suddenly the on-demand rate of 0.007% that my bank pays is looking good.

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      The IMF is coming says:

      The IMF is coming

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  53. 175
    troglodyte says:

    Dave sounds as if he has been studying the Tea Party movement in the US. I hope so. He is in need of attitude adjustment as is our entire governing class.
    Good luck to him. It is their last chance.

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  54. 179
    TheCourtOfPublicOpinion says:

    The fleeing rats are turning into a herd:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8505255.stm

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    • 198
      shelling-out says:

      Hilary Benn has all the appeal of a piece of limp lettuce. So he denied it………and…?

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        Kropotkin says:

        Please find another phrase. Since the pub group named the Slug and Lettuce after Gordon and Dave all comparisons with lettuce are limited to Dave.

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  55. 190
    Trev says:

    What’s wrong with lobbying? If I go to see my MP I am lobbying him.

    As Cameron says it should be transparent.

    Meantime I think Mr Fawkes should grow up – its a dopey idea to say Lobbying should be illegal.
    What the EU does of course should be illegal. They give funds to organisations so they can set up office to lobby them and thus pursue policies that they then say have followed ‘consultation’.

    And of course the trade unions take money from the govt then spend millions funding Labour to gain influence.

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  56. 193
    pissed off voter says:

    Is this a good article? Absolutely yeo – oops,typo, absolutely yes. It does however confuse me a little, I’m still very, very angry about expenses, I’m angry about Iraq, angry about quangos, angry about foreign travels ‘on official business’, angry that HoL remains a highly secretive den of iniquity, angry at people – viz Michael Martin – who are still being appointed there, angry at bankers, angry at the laxity with which government deal with bankers, etc. and I’m also angry about lobbying. My confusion is in the prioritising of so many political scams; I favour expensess; as things stand, for many of our ‘honourable members’, it’s a case of steal 100 grand over thirty years and repay a few hundred for the last 4 years – some penalty! And , to boot, they get a golden goodbye. Expenses will not be over until the punishment fits the crime and the current token gesture of 3 MPs and a lord falls way short. Smith? McNulty? Hoon? Darling – I’ll clamp down on tax evasion but flipping is ok , Brown – PM, highest office in the country fiddling expenses, Cameron – now that the taxpayer picks up the tab, I’ll bump my mortgage up to the maximum. thieving bastards, the lot of them.

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      shelling-out says:

      I agree. When a British Prime Minister was questioned by the police, as Tony was over the cash for honours scam, he should have been got rid of then. It was an absolute disgrace. We will put up with any sort of behaviour here. It doesn’t matter that the country is run by shysters and thieves – they know that 99% of them will get away with it in the end and, because we did nothing when they introduced these Rules, there’s nothing we can do about it. They’re laughing all the way to the bank.

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      Big Burka says:

      Pissed off is not enough. we should all walk round in burkas and put the shits up them

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    allan akhbar says:

    we are exactly the same……..nice one gordon.

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    Citigate Dewe Rogerson being an example.

    They employ ex-Labour workers and supporters, then get contracts such as Aim High, then appear on the list of people who use Parliament for receptions, then appear as Labour party donors.

    How is this not public money just shifting out to agencies which employ and support party workers running the party line? It should either be done by the civil service or not done at all.

    However, Cameron’s got nothing to look smug about.

    Simon Nayyar is the managing director of Citigate Dewe Rogerson Public Policy in London and the head of CDR’s public policy division. Simon is the Conservative Parliamentary Candidate for Hackney South & Shoreditch which he will contest at the next general election.

    Spot the difference.

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      Here’s an example of how it works. (Link is to a 24 page pdf)

      In April 2007 Citigate pitched to the Highlands and Islands Enterprise Board to do its information monitoring and advice. Never mind that the quango might have been expected to do this itself; obviously not, why do any work when you can put it out to an agency.

      Citigate explicitly offers an old-pals network

      Citigate Public Affairs will also add value through the following;
      • Making use of the information, knowledge and contacts from our own
      respective political backgrounds e.g. Labour, Liberal Democrats and the
      Scottish National Party

      An example of this is given in the ‘about us’ section.

      …worked for Scottish Lib Dem MPs (inlcuding Highlands and Islands MPs) as a Westminster Parliamentary Researcher from 1994-97, where he was responsible for the development of the Party’s education policy. He has been Leader of the Opposition on the London Borough of Haringey, where he served as a Councillor for four years.

      Similar profiles are offered for the other PR workers.

      The cost of the monitoring service was a very reasonable £6,750 + VAT per month, which makes one wonder if there isn’t some redundancy at the HIE which could be junked in order to pay for the intelligence, or if perhaps Scotland should just hire CDR direct and do the logical thing of handing all the HIE work to Citigate.

      From the sample monitoring report though, it’s a cheeky to sell them back a pile of public sector press releases including one which comes from the quango they were pitching to.

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  59. 203

    The Telegraph reports today that Harriet Harman is the current leader in the race for “rear of the year”. Apparently she has had 12 nominations in a week and it is suspected that mp’s are nominating her for a joke.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/7192900/Harriet-Harman-in-the-running-for-Rear-of-the-Year-award.html

    It wil be great if she wins and has to show off her arse in a little thong. That will knock her wimmin agenda. Perhaps they are voting her face as rear of the year?

    http://political-graffiti.blogspot.com/

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    why is my comment awaiting moderation there is nothing libellous or even that rude in it . in fact it is factual

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    Pig Sick says:

    OT Whats the point of having TV debate between party leaders during EC when it is propsed to ask them questions with no follow up questions from the presenters or audiance or rebuttals from the other leaders?

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  63. 211
    GUY WITH A HUGE LOBBY ON says:

    anyone see Blair on the box lastnight ?
    he looked Chinese
    it looked like he had had the skin on his face pulled back and tied in a knot on the back of his head
    a massive forehead shining away without a wrinkle in sight
    a mouth that wouldn’t close ,slanty eyes
    and a deep tan (real or false ) i dont know
    he looked a right twat !

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  64. 216
    Reverend David Cameron says:

    Dearly Beloved

    Thought for the day

    Lifes like a dick, it gets hard sometimes for no reason!

    AMEN TO THAT

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    • 243
      A son of the manse says:

      THE GORD’S PRAYER

      Our Pariah, which art in Downing Street,
      Hated be thy name.
      Thy government come,
      Our Nation’s wealth go, in 2010 as in the 1970’s.
      Give us this day our daily soundbites
      And forgive us our tirading against those who tyrannise against us
      And lead us not into another term of office,
      But deliver us from evil
      For thine is the catastrophe, the penury and the gloom
      For ever and ever. Amen.

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  65. 224
    Willi Windbeutel says:

    Fawkes, this tilting at windmills has to stop.

    “Wherever yuman beans foregather, there shalt thou find cruption” (Judges 22).

    We come here for:

    1. Totty
    2. Abuse of Gordon Brown
    3. More totty
    4. Jokes
    5. Abuse of other politicians
    6. Possibly, more totty

    We do not come here for serious political debate, not only because it is futile, and bollocks, but because no one ever changes his mind anyway. But we do come here to ridicule and denounce everyone else whose opinions do not exactly coincide with our own.

    So, more jokes about Gordon’s bananas, please. Totty-wise, Emily and the Weathergirl are a passable start, but when is Guy News going to go topless?

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    • 240
      Fawkes great,great,great grandson.i tink says:

      We’re all just waiting for the spark that lights the fuse.

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    • 255

      “Fawkes, this tilting at windmills has to stop.

      “Wherever yuman beans foregather, there shalt thou find cruption” (Judges 22).

      We come here for:

      1. Totty
      2. Abuse of Gordon Brown
      3. More totty
      4. Jokes
      5. Abuse of other politicians
      6. Possibly, more totty

      We do not come here for serious political debate, not only because it is futile, and bollocks, but because no one ever changes his mind anyway. But we do come here to ridicule and denounce everyone else whose opinions do not exactly coincide with our own.

      So, more jokes about Gordon’s bananas, please. Totty-wise, Emily and the Weathergirl are a passable start, but when is Guy News going to go topless?”

      This just reinforces your story yesterday about the influence you claim to have Guido? Which is, because no-one ever, ever changes their mind, fuck all.

      Just like the impact anyone who votes has on the country. Fuck all. Lobbyists run this country, and always have. We focus on the politicians, especially the leaders, while they focus on what they are being told to do by the vested-interest groups.

      BAN FUCKING LOBBYISTS. BAN FUCKING MP’s WHO HAVE EVER BEEN A LOBBYIST. REFUSE ALL INCOME/FUNDING/DONATIONS FROM PRIVATE INTERESTS.

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        Guido - many thanks says:

        I come here to offload the extraordinary hatred I have for Gordon Brown.

        And Guido,when we do all eventually kick the moron and his thugs out,I shall personally deliver a bottle of the finest champagne to your offices,to thank you for providing me with this opportunity to make a few jokes,de-stress and generally channel my anger away from doing a “Day Of the Jackal” on the most odious man to enter politics.

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    • 283
      Kropotkin says:

      Absolutely right but lets not overlook the story that integrates politics with totty in the most entertaining way – Natalie Rowe. Guido; when are you going to get hold of a copy of the manuscript of her book. Its due to be published soon so must be completed. Sod their politics. We just want confirmation of which shadow minister is the 2 minute wonder and which one has a thing about wearing nappies.

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      • 332
        Oh dear oh dear says:

        Christ – googled her and the stuff that could come out will make the M*sley man look like a Red Cross charity function.

        Dynamite.

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  66. 228
    George Osborne aka Johnny Fartpants says:

    I’M BACK !!!!!

    My wife went into the toilet at Tesco & came out complaining that the seats were covered in hairs.

    What does she expect, it’s a Pubic Toilet.

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  67. 229
    Gordon Brown says:

    Yes! Told ya! I’m leading the entire globe out of recession – UK imports rose an eye-watering £1.4bn in December.

    http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=199

    Thanks to my the bankers policy of printing money we the bankers’ puppets have deluded the English twats into thinking they are not cataclysmically fucked. As a result they have indebted themselves further. They and their great great-granchildren will owe the bankers trillions, and all for a few deathtrap shitheap cars from the Far East. Genius or what!

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  68. 230
    Grrr says:

    How about lobbying to be allowed, but through written, publicly available submissions only, with no entertainment allowed?

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  69. 235
    Penfold says:

    Right,
    That’s the private side of the unacceptable face of politics.
    Now,
    The public side.

    DC now has to state that the similar trade between Trade Unions/NuLab/Labour/Socialists, Local Authorities, Quangoes, Think Tanks, Charities, Regional Development Boards et al etc,. also needs to be addressed.

    And,
    Whilst he’s there he can do the same for Brussels/EU/MEP’s and the public/private sector.

    We all know that Politics is a bit of a midden, but of late it appears to have taken on a particulary unsavoury aroma that is quite vile.

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  70. 237
    All Burka'd out says:

    Nice!

    Here is someone being prepared in a town near you

    http://www.boreme.com/boreme/funny-2010/extreme-brainwashing-islamic-kid-p1.php

    Note the kindly tone of the inquisitor

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    • 241
      All Burka'd out says:

      Sorry, that was a reply to 203 and has popped up twice.

      Like

    • 254
      BillyBob ... reduce crime, prison numbers and the benefits black hole? Stop immigration !! says:

      Such a peace loving faith……… fcking child abuse anywhere else…….

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    • 297
      AC1 says:

      In 4 years time she’ll be old enough to marry that p4edo-prophet Mohamed, and at age 9 she could look forward to being raped by him, just like Aisha.

      Such a perfect life to emulate?

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      • 366
        udderly 'orrible says:

        France gets it right – no burqas, all migrants from Mozzielands must take that pledge or go home.

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  71. 246
    BillyBob ... reduce crime, prison numbers and the benefits black hole? Stop immigration !! says:

    Eric Pickles on Sky News, for f*cks sake I wish he would go on a diet, he is just getting bigger and bigger……….
    Looks like the Gov’t have told the media to bring up the Ashcroft situation at all possible opportunities …….. pisses me off, especially when those of us in a Union have no say in our monies being sent to Labour via the union fees, political levies are sh*t!!
    Bunch of 2 faced thieving b*stards !

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    • 259
      jgm2 says:

      Ah. Fuck. I can’t believe it took me this long to figure out what Cameron was up to.

      Public funding of political parties. That way you get rid of the Unions and Ashcroft – but more importantly for Cameron and the already entrenched parties you stymie the development of other competing parties. So no public funding made available for anybody who fails to get (say) 5% of the popular vote.

      That’s what this is all about.

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      • 341

        Public funding and AV – the tyranny of the centre ground. That way the big three will divvy up power for ever and ever and ever and ever and ever.

        Apparantly it’s called democracy.

        There’s a civil war going on – has been for some decades. The political establishment, doing their masters’ bidding, versus us. It’s just, we didn’t really notice. We thought they were shit, we didn’t realise they were actually *evil*.

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    • 266
      Rich T ..... says:

      I believe he’s sponsored by “Jammy Dodgers” !

      BTW – the Tories have to permanently negate all of these NuLibore opportunities – such as the L Ashcroft saga; both support and potential support is eroded whilst such topics persist!

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  72. 248
    Marcus Tullius Cicero 106BC-43BC says:

    The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.

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  73. 257
    The Three Bankers Stooges says:

    Fucking result or what!

    http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKLDE6180KL20100209

    * Euro hits 3-week high vs pound at 88.14 pence EURGBP=D4
    * UK trade gap highest since Jan 2009

    * UK retail sales drop on Jan, house prices rise

    * Poll suggests hung parliament after election

    LONDON, Feb 9 (Reuters) – Sterling fell to a three-week low against the euro and sagged near multi-month lows against the dollar on Tuesday as data showed the UK trade deficit unexpectedly widened to its highest in nearly a year.

    Britain’s goods trade gap widened to 7.278 billion pounds from 6.798 billion in December, its highest level since January 2009. Economists had forecast a deficit of 6.63 billion pounds. [ID:nONS004778]

    That put pressure on the pound as it suggested the economy may not have made much progress although Britain emerged from recession in the final three months of last year.

    “December’s UK trade figures suggest that the external sector is still feeling little benefit from either the lower pound or tentative global recovery,”

    Keep looking at muslim cops, female suicide bombers with exploding breast implants, jihadis under the bed… it’s all a psy op to get you uselesseaters dead, through a UK civil war and global Christian/Islam bloodbath. Meanwhile, the plan to take down, what’s left of UK’s real economy, continues to plan – almost there. Serfdom and penury for the masses, middle-classes finished, oligarch class in place.

    Love and kisses, Dave, Gordy and Cleggy.

    You didn’t really believe you lived in a democracy? Jesus wept.

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  74. 260
    Gordon Brown's Press Officer says:

    The question of Lord Ashcroft will not go away, indeed will be brought up at tomorrows PMQ’s

    Tory billionaire donor Lord Ashcroft makes millions through a company accused of damaging a rainforest.

    Our investigation has found the peer’s British Caribbean Bank has a 24.8% stake in Numar, the biggest producer of controversial palm oil in Costa Rica.

    Numar, which earned the bank £14million in the 2009 financial year alone, has previously been denounced for killing off wildlife in unspoilt jungle.

    It is another blow to the Tories’ environmental credentials after George Osborne’s launch of the party’s planned “green bank” last week.

    Although there is no suggestion Lord Ashcroft is aware of the claims surrounding Numar and its behaviour, there is a clear paper trail linking its activities to the bank, in Belize, which owns 25% of the company.

    And Ashcroft, one of the biggest Tory donors, owns 72% of that bank.

    Put simply, some of Numar’s profit ends up in the bank’s Belize-based parent company BCB Holdings.

    Registered at the same bank offices in Belize City is Stargate Holdings, linked through complex share deals to Bearwood Corporate Services.

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    • 270
      Gordon ( SoldGoldAtThe ) BottomBrown says:

      Lord Ashcroft plans to leave £900m to charity

      BUT I WANT IT !!!!!

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    • 278
      Mandy Nobum says:

      Bloody hell – sound’s like Lord Ashcroft needs some help from Tony Blair’s financial advisors !!!

      Like

    • 285
      Likewise-schmikewise says:

      The Tories are going to ask about the Labour non-doms !!!

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      • 290
        jgm2 says:

        Has Tony Blair made any donations to his old party. His springboard to vast personal wealth on a par with an African dictator? Or would he get caught out by the residency requirements (if any)?

        I’ve heard it said that is why he hasn’t been made a peer yet as befits an ex-PM.

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        • 306
          BillyBob ... reduce crime, prison numbers and the benefits black hole? Stop immigration !! says:

          Bliar is a tight arsed b’stard……… he is keeping out of the country to avoid paying tax….lots of dirt to be dug up there………no way would he give anything to his old Party !

          Having seen the devastation of deforestation in Costa Rica and consequences of palm oil production there…. if true I sincerely hope that the Tories do dump him…..Lord Ashcroft that is!

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        • 392
          Australian says:

          Just do bit of digging around Blair’s “funding” vehicles, Windrush and Firerush – that’s where your answers are.

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      Opinions here says:

      I’m suggesting it. The bastard knows,thats not a suggestion is it

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  75. 267

    A nice blog Guido, but I don’t think it will happen.

    And as for the democratic moves on 100,0d a million signatures, I think there could be a better way.

    If a minister does something wrong. I don’t mean making an honest mistake, I mean being caught out milking the system, taking bungs etc, then a 10% cut in salary should be made for the rest of their time in Parliament in this and any further elections they win. i.e. a 10% cut forever as long as they are in Parliament. Then a further 10% cut for each extra 100,000 siggies.

    That would direct their minds far better.

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  76. 268
    Kropotkin says:

    Just seen Pickles on TV steaming like a fat turd and, effectively, confirming that Lord Cashbox of Belize is still a non-dom. Will Dave do the right thing and immediately withdraw the whip in the Lords and sack him from his party posts?

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  77. 276
    Anonymous says:

    Gordon was very good at listening to lobbyists, he took note of what they wanted, nay demanded, and low and behold the BANKERS? got their way, and look where that got the country.

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    • 351
      AC1 says:

      Rubbish. Gordo was the clown pushing for massive increases in Credit. He was pushing on an open door, but he was still in charge of the pound, and totally failed it.

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        Anonymous says:

        Is that what the BANKERS? wanted NO REGULATION because it limits “our” profits, we want to do what we want to do, if it goes wrong we will be bailed out because we are TOO BIG to fail. Bliar got a few nice little lucrative little numbers from BANKERS? did he not. Lobby groups are for self interested promotion why else would they do it, for the good health of the country?

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    NorthernGit says:

    very unrealistic to expect lobbying to be banned but it should be declared…the states system works quite well but it does not curb the scale of course.

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  80. 294
    newbie says:

    So you’re saying we are just to enter politics just to serve the people?

    Fuck that.

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  81. 295
    jgm2 says:

    Just slightly ON-topic…

    http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8505920.stm

    Peers to be cleared over expenses

    That’s nice for them.

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  82. 295
    Eric Pickles says:

    I have been dining at the Ashcroft table.

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  83. 300
    The time is coming says:

    If you fancy a “shot” at Ed Balls – go to here;

    http://timesonline.typepad.com/schoolgate/

    and post a question to him – he is on a live question session on The Times website.

    You can already see the questions piling up.

    I asked why he ever claimed for £400 per month for food when he and his wife NET £15,000 per month and a pensioner gets £398 per month for their entire budget.

    Anyway,this most odious of the odious will soon be obliterated at the election.

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    • 311
      jgm2 says:

      ‘Ow is it that Julia Kirkbride and her husband had to pay back cash because they were cross-claiming for their primary/secondary residences. But you and your missus don’t?

      Why’s that Ned?

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    • 315
      Gonk says:

      I do hope so.
      Fingers crossed and don’t walk on the cracks
      in paving stones.

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  84. 303
    Steve Morgan Maesteg Maggo says:

    Dave Cameron is a mate of mine

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  85. 308
    At Berkley but not in Berkley. says:

    Derek was keen on lobbyists..

    http://www.gregpalast.com/tony-blair-and-the-sale-of-britain/

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  86. 320

    Did anyone hear Sarah Palin on the radio making that speeach. That is one very scary and very thick chick.

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    • 322
      Thick as the ice in the Himalaya's says:

      Americans are the most astonishingly thick group of people – those that have never strayed beyond the 100 miles or so of their home simply have no idea what happens outside their little bubble.

      Oh and I am American.

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    • 323
      jgm2 says:

      As long as she’s only scaring the piss out of the bed-wetters she’s probably on the right track.

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      • 335
        trad says:

        Agreed, we need more of her type over here to give all the hand wringers heart attacks.

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      • 390
        A WITCH! says:

        bedwetting accusery is one of the many signs of being A WITCH!!

        take thy satanic forked tongue away heretic lest I will exorcise thee
        thou reeks of the harlot science and her abominablie lie of evolution
        God spake to me and revealed that books and the horned demon moose are the very devils work so my path to politics was made clear by the divine Dubya

        when rapture comes you will all burn for your secular heresy and sinning

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    • 352
      anna taverner says:

      The American Harperdaughter

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    • 372
      Goerge Bush says:

      So are most yanks.you get what you deserve.

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  87. 329
    Alaskan Polar Bear says:

    Frightens the life out of me. Imagine if she had her digit on the nuclear button.

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  88. 330

    Better class of whore

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  89. 334

    Harriet Harman wants to ban prostitution. They could just extend the laws to Parliament

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  90. 356
    Moley says:

    A Cabinet Minister, on being asked;

    “What would happen if Labour won the election?”

    Replied. (Once he had got his breath back),

    “There would be an immediate leadership election.”

    It’s official;

    We are being asked to vote for an unknown and faceless Prime Minister, concealed from head to toe in an impenetrable burqua.

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/5760533/what-happens-if-labour-wins.thtml.

    Credit to Coffee House.

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    • 362
      Moley says:

      I forgot to mention; the reason why the Parliamentary Labour Party hasn’t replaced Brown, is that they thought that all the possible contenders would be even worse.

      This is the stuff that nightmares are made of; Balls, Harman, as PM?

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    Get the facts says:

    Is this the same anti-lobbyist David Cameron who prior to his election to Parliament was the lobbyist for 7 years for the odious Michael Green of Carlton Communications? No hypocrisy there then.

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  92. 361
    Dave Camoron says:

    “We don’t know who is meeting whom. We don’t know whether any favours are being exchanged. We don’t know which outside interests are wielding unhealthy influence….”

    Becasue as Michael keeps telling me it’s none of my business.

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  93. 397
    Dave Cameron PM says:

    I’ll fucking get all of you bastards when I get elected.

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  94. 398
    filipinomonkey says:

    While your at it Dave, how about breaking the cosy cosy world of briefing the press nudge nudge wink wink.

    Am sick and tired of the papers telling me what will happen rather than what happened. Why do they have to do that?

    The only amusement is when one hack gets it totally and utterly wrong because he or she’s upset someone with a word out of place and got duff info as a consequence.

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  95. 399
    Scary Biscuits says:

    Lobbyists are covertly subverting democracy, it should be a criminal offence, says Guido.

    Er… it already is (Prevention of Corruption Acts 1889-1916) but for reasons unexplained New Labour appointed DPPs or policemen haven’t seen fit to investigate such dusty old laws. By the sounds od Dave it doesn’t seem prosecution policy is about to change anytime soon.

    Modern MPs seem to think that laws are like paintings, there to be admired rather than used.

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  96. 401

    […] was reading Guido and his analysis of Lobbying and its future under a new Tory government.  This really is something that bugs […]

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    Freeborn John says:

    So at last an admission from the establishment that it is seriously corrupted. Why did it take a political party so long to even pretend to arrive at this? The fact that they were all so tardy means that only a fool could be in favour of letting any of them oversee any reforms.

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  98. 405

    Then, straw dummies are tossed into huge bonfires. Commercial Property

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  99. 408
    Anonymous says:

    Guido, let me know when MPs or their parlimentary assistans run through every single piece of legislation or statutory instrument they get to vote on and pick up every single detail. Reality is, lobbyists tell MPs where to look for obscure wordings, then they can make their mind up and vote according to their views.

    I’m a lobbyist, I tell MPs here, look at this and these are my arguments to vote X or Y, then they can make their mind up about the issue. If they just simply follow us without questioning our arguments then they are probably not very good at their job, are they?

    I thought you were a libertarian, son.

    Fuck’s sake.

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  100. 410
    Anonymous says:

    What about the “Health” lobbyists (see fakecharities.org)? The likes of ASH and Alcohol Concern are paid to fund junk science reports and then lobby for change based on their recommendations. ASH Wales receives only 0.2% of its funding from public donations, the rest coming from the tax-payer and Big Pharma (ASH undurprisingly is a major shareholder in Nicotene Replacement manufacturers so it is hardly surprising they do this (even crowing about their relationship whwn trying to suck up more cash from the Pharma companies). Also unsurprising they then produce fake studies that show NRT products are twice as effective as they actually are (see Dick Puddlecote’s blog today). Until the likes of ASH and Alcohol Concern are forced to survive on public donations (or their well-known links are made clear to the simpletons in Government) I suspect this is just Dave blowing smoke up everyone’s arses again.

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    • 411
      Anonymous says:

      @410 Re fake charities…

      Did you know the Royal Town Plannign Institute was a registered charity?

      Not like they put life and limb at risk as the RNLI people do every time they launch out to sea to save lives is it?

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