January 22nd, 2010

Gordon’s “Fund With No Name”

The Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards is taking longer than usual to indicate whether or not he intends to investigate allegations about a second secret slush fund used by Gordon Brown to pay his personal pollster and speech writer Bob Shrum, as revealed in former Labour general-secretary Peter Watt’s book Inside Out.

Usually John Lyon rejects complaints in 48 hours or so if he is not inclined to investigate. Why is the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards taking longer than normal in this case?

  1. It could be that John  Lyon is snowed in with complaints about our troughing political class.*
  2. John  Lyon could be referring to the scathing Charity Commission report into Bob Shrum’s involvement with Gordon’s other slush fund – the Smith Institute – before proceeding.
  3. The Commissioner could be looking for an excuse to not investigate a secret slush fund controlled by the Prime Minister in the sensitive run-up to a general election.

Nevertheless there is prima facie a case to answer, Peter Watt is not some insignificant peripheral figure. The allegation that Gordon Brown kept track of donor’s funds for his own use in an exercise book is not transparent and above board, keeping the details hidden from the person responsible for compliance with the law is just not acceptable and possibly illegal.   Gordon really needs to explain himself, during the last investigation he point-blank refused to answer any questions put to him by the Charity Commission. Where are the records? What is Gordon hiding about the Shrum slush fund? Something smells.

*Harry Cohen is to be fined £65,000 for his fiddles, the socialist fraudster claims it “smacks of class discrimination”.  He should really face criminal charges.


297 Comments

  1. 1
    GORDON McBUST(and his amazing magic cheque book) says:

    McBust is Bent end of

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    • 6

      What is Gordon hiding about the Shrum slush fund? Something smells.

      I think we all know where that smell comes from.

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      • 18
        The Admiral says:

        Can’t contain my excitement…

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        • 25

          If you can’t, that may be what the smell is.

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          • The Admiral says:

            Asked for that. Knew it as soon as I hit the send key.

            Duh…

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          • Wayne Trombone says:

            Guido please can you stop exposing Gordon.
            He is finding it tough enough to succeed in his job
            without you messing him around

            What is the problem with a UK PM having, and denying he has, an illegal slush fund for gawd’s sake?

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          • jgm2 says:

            Has he denied it though Wayne. Or has he simply refused to answer questions? Or answered an entirely different question while appearing to answer the question posed.

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          • Groucho says:

            jgm2 – he doesn’t even appear to answer the question, he just trots out an answer to some other completely irrelevant question that he has written down in front of him. He doesn’t appear to give a shit whether anyone notices or not.

            Tractor production up 17.3%
            We are winning the war against Eastasia
            Do nothing Tories
            etc.

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          • RestandBthankful says:

            Excrement perhaps?

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          • Wayne Trombone says:

            Smells like shit
            tastes like shit

            et
            c

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          • Mark O'Ten says:

            *sigh*

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          • Mr Ned says:

            Output from the BBC Filter:

            But you know it is only sleaze when it is the tories doing it. Then it is good enough to be reported on the BBC.

            Labour doing it merely is a sign of how much the tories created a system where the only way to do business is in the most sleazy way imaginable.

            It’s all Thatcher’s fault.

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      • 30
        Animal says:

        It could of course merely be an additional source of his constituency funding and he will be easily able to provide the accounts to show, in full, the source and the expenditure of the monies therein. And the delay is merely because Brown is voluntarily sendng the accounts over for John Lyon to see them and thus be able to demonstrate that he has in fact done nothing wrong, it’s just that he made some summary notes in an old note book that was on his desk at the time which Peter Watts saw during a visit to No11 for some sugar.

        Oh, I just woke up……

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      • 35
        Anonymous says:

        El Gordo is as sound as a pound

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      • 234
        Labour looking after the troops ( MY ARSE) says:

        Hang on a minuet this tosser Bob Shrum, Knew all about this fucking fiddle so can’t he be done for aiding and abetting Browns fraud.

        The Fucking Lot are on the FIDDLE

        BASTARDS

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    • 17
      Mr Petter Watt says:

      “This was money we could not dip into since it was set aside for the chancellor’s own projects … The money was registered as a donation to the party in the normal way. But instead of going into the overall pot the cash went into a separate account which we called the ‘fund with no name’.”

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      • 20
        shadow treasury minister Greg Hands says:

        “I would like to know on what basis you judged it unnecessary to declare the fund. It is important that you clarify these issues urgently as I believe there may be grounds for investigation by the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards.”

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    • 19
      Labour looking after the troops ( MY ARSE) says:

      THey hav’nt finnished mixing the whitewash or perhaps they have misslaid the brush and bucket,

      NOTHING WILL COME OF THIS JUST YOU WATCH

      THEY DO AS THEY FUCKING LIKE

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      • 36
        Australian says:

        18: sadly, I think you are quite correct in your assessment of what will (fail to) happen!

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      • 225
        Labour looking after the troops ( MY ARSE) says:

        We are being spied on

        If you wish to know about the issue of privacy you might want to peruse some of the following websites. Electronic Privacy Information Centre (www,epic.org): Global Internet Liberty Campaign ( http://www.gilk.org): Internet Freedom Expression Alliance (www.ifea.net): The Privacy Coalition
        (www.privacycoalition.org); Privacy International (www.privercyinternational.org): Privacy.org (www.privacy.org) and the Electronic Frontier Foundation (www.eff.org)

        Or you could try reading Robert O’Harrow Jn’s book

        “ No Place To Hide”

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    • 57
      Gordon's favourite Butt Plug says:

      I agree, leave my Gordon alone. He is getting on with the job. Making Britain a fairer place. A land of Aspiration, a land joyous with unfettered immigration and consequent embracing of pleasureable diversity. A nation united in it’s common financial opportunities. These verdant Islands full of hope. A place where crime is unheard of, where we are free to roam. A green and pleasent land where rules and regulations are purely for our own benefit. Consensual politics by leaders untainted by the stench of any corruption.

      We are blesssed. Amen.

      (I feel really dizzy now!)

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    • 60
      Gordon's favourite Butt Plug says:

      Bent and Gay?

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    • 141
      Paul Volcker says:

      Guido

      Surely this fund with no name should be referred to the Electorcal Commission also

      I cite 2 sections extracted from the :

      Political Parties, Elections and Referendums Act 2000
      2000 CHAPTER 41

      Section 41 Duty to keep accounting records

      (1) The treasurer of a registered party must ensure that accounting records are kept with respect to the party which are sufficient to show and explain the party’s transactions.

      (2) The accounting records must be such as to—
      (a) disclose at any time, with reasonable accuracy, the financial position of the party at that time; and
      (b) enable the treasurer to ensure that any statement of accounts prepared by him under section 42 complies with the requirements of regulations under subsection (2)(a) of that section.
      (3) The accounting records must in particular contain—
      (a) entries showing from day to day all sums of money received and expended by the party, and the matters in respect of which the receipt and expenditure take place; and
      (b) a record of the assets and liabilities of the party.

      Section 43 Annual audits
      (1) Where a registered party’s gross income or total expenditure in any financial year exceeds £250,000, the accounts of the party for that year must be audited by a qualified auditor.

      And text from Indy article of 12/11/06 (which you know well !)

      The Scotland Yard team, led by Assistant Commissioner John Yates, is expected to interview Mr Blair in the next few weeks, with questions about the accounts.
      The police have received information that the party produced a false balance sheet by failing to mention the loans in its 2004 accounts. They are considering whether there was a breach of the terms of the Political Parties Elections and Referendums Act 2000, which includes an offence of concealment or disguise.
      Accountancy experts say it is “extremely unusual” for the party to make no mention in its 2004 accounts of the £12m in loans it received from Labour backers, including Sir Gulam Noon and Chai Patel, before the 2005 general election. The sum amounted to a huge increase in the party’s debt and would in normal circumstances have to be mentioned, even though it happened after the end of 2004.
      According to usual accountancy practice, loans worth millions of pounds should have been disclosed in Labour’s 2004 accounts as a “material post-balance sheet event” because they had such a large bearing on the party’s finances – even though they were received later than the end of the year.
      In the 2005 accounts, Labour did include a “post- balance sheet event”. The party said it had received a £2m loan from Richard Caring, who runs the Ivy restaurant, one of London’s favourite celebrity haunts. He gave Labour a loan in March 2006 and the loan was included in the party’s 2005 accounts – even though it was received in 2006.
      The police will be considering whether the party deliberately concealed the £12m loans from the accounting firm Horwath Clark Whitehill in order to keep them out of the books. The firm gave the party a clean bill of health when it audited the accounts.
      The auditor was not told about the £12m “until spring 2006″, one senior Labour Party figure said.
      A senior Liberal Democrat peer accused Mr Blair of “a world-class cover-up”, and said he was both “legally and morally liable for the accounts”.

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    • 202

      As seen over the Parliament the other day. A large airship with a slogan:

      This
      House
      Is
      Extremely
      Venal,
      Embezzling and,
      Sneaky.

      Pic of it here… http://donottrustthesepeople.blogspot.com/2010/01/blog-post.html

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    • 231
      Labour looking after the troops ( MY ARSE) says:

      THE RAGE

      The parliamentary ruling mob
      Have all enjoyed a cushy job
      The taxes paid by you and me
      Helped these scoundrels live for free

      They tried to stop us finding out
      What their expenses were about
      Somehow they think that we are fools
      By claiming, “It’s within the rules”

      Such claims alas just will not wash,
      They’ve lived like royals on our dosh
      It’s not the dosh that we want back,
      We want them ALL to get the sack

      That’s not all, for we want more,
      We want them in a court of law
      Some of them it seems are frauds,
      Both in the Commons and the Lords

      Flipping homes to dodge the tax
      Has got up the electorates backs
      Porno films and cleaning moats
      Is really sticking in our throats

      Don’t think because they haven’t claimed
      They’re innocent and can’t be blamed
      Not speaking out what some were getting
      Is simply aiding and abetting

      Their secrets out they’ve lost control
      We want them jailed or on the dole
      Parliament’s no sacred cow.
      BRING ON THE ELECTION NOW !!

      lets get rid

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    • 239
      Labour looking after the troops ( MY ARSE) says:

      Hang on a minuet this tosser Bob Shrum, Knew all about this fucking fiddle so can’t he be done for aiding and abetting Browns fraud.

      The Fucking Lot are on the FIDDLE

      BASTARDS

      And don’t forget that Peter Watt’s book also knew about it as he says in his book “Inside Out“. So why didn’t he shop Brown earlier the shitbag

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    • 284
      Biffo says:

      I would suggest that the 3rd option is the most likely one. And the one that will prevail – he will be allowed to get away with it.

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  2. 2
    Steve Expat says:

    Come on John Lyon, Grow a pair and investigate him.

    Of course, the other possibility is that Lyon is being heavily ‘briefed’ by the government that the timing of the book is politically motivated – and that it is published by Iain Dale, a known Conservative.

    Even so, rules is rules, can’t wait to see Gordon before as many enquiries as possible in the election run-up!

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      Dorian Smith says:

      It’s been the standard rebuttal of the left to mention the timing of the book, rather than mention the contents of the book.

      Other than Marr and Daily Politics (who at least interviewed Peter Watt) it’s been played down by the BBC, buried on the beeb’s website. Had it been the Conservatives it would have been a crisis, demanding hours of speculation outside of Downing Street and the lead item on the news headlines. Nice work BBC.

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      • 28
        jgm2 says:

        The other rebuttal is that this Watt bloke is an embittered ex-employee and so therefore you should take everything he says with a pinch of salt.

        Same tactic as they use for Clare Short, Geoff Hoon, Charles Clarke etc etc.

        They fire these people because they’re not myopically ‘on-message’ and then use the fact that they’ve been fired to claim that whatever they say is a pack of lies.

        Pure scum.

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        • 52
          Animal says:

          Thankfully that tactic is like cheap gold plating. After a few years it wears away and everyone can see what’s underneath.

          I don’t think people will so readily buy that line from this bunch of thieving lunatics anymore.

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          • I Hate Tesco says:

            The 30% who always vote Liabour – the feckless, the workshy, the civil service and the immigrants – would vote for Liabour if it was led by a gerbil.

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          • bergen says:

            Hopefully,after the election when people such as the DPP Starmer have been sacked for bias,thoughts can turn to the prosecutions of these venal fraudsters.There should be enough to keep the Courts busy for years.

            Blair for warcrimes in the Hague and Brown for fraud at the Old Bailey would kick things off nicely.

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          • Biffo says:

            Actually, a gerbil would be a great improvement. And is bound to display greater intellectual depths than the current title holder.

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        • 241
          grobdj says:

          Exactly

          Marr was real easy on Watt last Sunday, starting with the jab about him being embittered, and finishing with Watt putting the case for political parties to be funded from the public purse

          A quid-pro-quo was clearly agreed before this interview began.

          Watt gets to sell his book, Marr helps Labour avoid going bankrupt

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      • 222
        Nick2 says:

        What I fail to understand is why TV reporters feel compelled to report live from an outside location, irrespective of how long ago the events described took place.

        The features seemed to take place at a relevant location but possibly much later, now any outside location seems preferable to a studio based report.

        This is one reason why I’ve almost completely abandoned TV watching. (The triviality and political bias also have something to do with it.)

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  3. 3
    GORDON McBUST(and his amazing magic cheque book) says:

    The money in his little book was probablysyphoned off via the expenses system and paid back in cash i bet they are all at it !

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  4. 4
    John Cipher says:

    The fund is for when Labour are at their lowest ebb in the election campaign. Then they’ll have a whip round, add it to the slush fund and buy a Chinook for Afganistan.

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      udderly 'orrible says:

      Hmm if the obscene one’s slush fund is larger enough to buy a Chinook, then its clearly an jail matter.

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  5. 5
    I Hate new Labour says:

    He’ll get away with it.

    As will Blair and the rest of the New Labour scum.

    Depressing, but true. Just look how many MPs have got away with stealing by just describing their thievery as an innocent oversight.

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    • 9
      Purpleline says:

      They just made a strong statement about Cohen who loses his resettlement money when he stands down

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    • 16
      christy says:

      To 5.
      Yes like Harry Cohen,just been on Sky,they are withholding 65k his resettlment grant because of his troughing,naturally Liebour of course.

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      • 27
        I Hate new Labour says:

        Yes, but Cohen is a soft target.

        What about the flipping of thieves like Darling?

        McNulty, Smith, etc., etc. – basically criminal activity.

        You’ve fallen for the scam – they make a high profile example of one of lower ranking MPs and you forget all about the excesses of those higher up.

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        • 44
          Mr G Khan says:

          With the demise of BB, we should have Friday night at Tyburn, as a new game show. Hang em i say hang em…..

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          • Vlad Tepec. Tha big soft shite like says:

            I have some spikes that need using.

            We could get the public to phone and vote and make a fortune.

            We could get Ant un Dec to host it. Waayay man!

            To see our scottish lad Gorgon get hanged fern ooo atesevn ooo nain nain nain nain nain ooo folllud by a wun.

            To see the lad frum kirkcaldeee get imapled-like fern ooo atesevn ooo nain nain nain nain ooo folllud by a tooo.

            Git dialin like coz the hangman has goot to be back ta Tezcooz like to fill sum shelves for tha mornin.

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          • Nick2 says:

            I say ‘Burn the witches’!

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      • 128
        Tony43east says:

        You watch though, after the election Cohen will make threats of law suits “contractually entitled to this payment blah blah” and the new government will cave in “not wanting to rake through old ashes, new start etc etc” and Harry will ride off into retirement with his pockets bulging – again.

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    • 108
      Anonymous says:

      Brown will only get away with it as long as he’s PM. He may be too malicious to get the wrong side of at the moment, but when he loses power there will be queues all along Whitehall of folks waiting to put the boot in. He’s made far too many enemies.

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      • 132
        Pole Star says:

        …………….. 65% of the Nation !

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        • 201
          Mr Ned says:

          Only 65%?

          Don’t believe the opinion polls. Did you know that they exclude at least half of the people they interview? You are only included in the poll numbers if you say that you will definitely vote for one of the official parties.

          If you say that all the above are a bunch of c’unts, then they exclude you from the result altogether.

          That means that about half the population falsely believes that they are in a tiny minority who don’t like any party. They think that they might be included in the “others” column, but they are not included at all.

          Labour only won the support of 22% of the nation in 2005, 5% in the 2009 European Parliamentary election. I reckon a good 80% + would be up for giving Brown a good kicking.

          Tories are getting about 20% real support, labour about 15%, Liberals about 9%. Others get about 6%. The “I hate all those bastards” party gets about 50%

          Imagine what would happen IF that “I hate all the bastards” added their voices to the “others” column.

          How many of the current corrupt bastards in the Commons would lose their seats?

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      • 136
        I Hate new Labour says:

        I really, really hope you’re right.

        It would cheer me up (and millions of others I suspect) to see this awful, incompetent, greedy little man hauled over the coals.

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        • 226
          Nick2 says:

          Yes, but if ‘Lord’ Ahmed only spent 16 days in an open prison for actually killing someone, what sanction will be applied to the run of the mill thieves?

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    • 238
      I Hate Tesco says:

      I’ve mentioned this elsewhere on Guido’s blog, but it’s worth repeating. The wife of a friend is being investigated by the Inland Revenue for under-declaring her income last year by 42 pence. 42 PENCE. Naturally, her husband’s tax return is being looked at forensically. A doctors’ practice near where I live was pursued over a minor discrepancy relating to the purchase of a car. The spouses of all the partners also had to face a full investigation. The Muslim wanker who wants to desecrate the return of our dead soldiers sits on his arse all day on tax-free benefits of £25,000.

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  6. 7
    Hubris~Nemesis says:

    The financial services sector in Britain and the City of London at the centre of it, is a great example of a highly skilled, high value added, talent driven industry that shows how we can excel in a world of global competition. Britain needs more of the vigour, ingenuity and aspiration that you already demonstrate that is the hallmark of your success.

    Gordon Brown

    Mansion House Speech 20 June 2007 (shortly before Northern Crock)

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    • 40
      Carry On Don't Lose Your Head (1967) says:

      ‘And I believe it will be said of this age, the first decades of the 21st century, that out of the greatest restructuring of the global economy, perhaps even greater than the industrial revolution, a new world order was created.’

      – same speech.

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      • 51
        Carry On Don't Lose Your Head (1967) says:

        And who could forget this memorable line from the speech:

        ‘So I congratulate you Lord Mayor and the City of London on these remarkable achievements, an era that history will record as the beginning of a new golden age for the City of London.’

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    • 64
      Aberdeen Agnes McDayie says:

      Have a pity. McToad had been at the banksters’ arses for so long, what could the poor man do when they followed through, but an oaten? He wasn’t thinking of our children there.

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  7. 8
    Gorden Boomenbust says:

    Bloody, self-deluding Lefties. Always think the ends justify the means, no matter how incontrovertibly illegal.

    “It’s for the greater good.”

    No, it isn’t. You thieving b*st*rd!

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  8. 10

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8474446.stm

    A Labour MP faces being stripped of an £65,000 allowance for retiring MPs after a “serious” breach of the rules over his expenses claims.
    Harry Cohen, who is standing down at the election, is the first MP to be told he should lose the allowance since the expenses scandal began.
    A report found the MP breached the rules on second home claims involving a “large sum of public money”.
    Mr Cohen has also been told that he must apologise to Parliament.

    But not be forced out of parliament?

    Is Plod is on the case

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  9. 11
    RestandBthankful says:

    Lies and thieving from the public purse – all these MPs get away with everything. Is there ever any consequences for what these people do? Comeuppance? Not on your life. They are untouchable and they know it.

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    • 287
      Biffo says:

      If everyone refuses to vote for the sitting MP in their area – we could clear out the whole 646 of them at one go.

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  10. 11
    Max the Impaler says:

    That ‘aroma’ is the smell of books cooking.

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  11. 13
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Slush (fund) Gordon.

    the fund is silent just like the p in psea.

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  12. 14
    George Osborne says:

    Your point 1 is spot on Guido

    1.It could be that John Lyon is snowed in with complaints about our troughing political class.

    “could be” is being charitable

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  13. 15
    Don Tully says:

    So the bastard one-eyed son of the manse who prays to a false god every night strikes again. At least he could do the decent thing and come out of the closet, just like D Miliband. Miliband had to adopt his children illegally from America becuase he’s a sodomite and cannot maintain an errection with his whore wife.

    On another note I’d really like to fuck Kelly Brook’s face and cream on her arse

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    jgm2 says:

    during the last investigation he point-blank refused to answer any questions put to him by the Charity Commission.

    Did he now? And what action did the Charity Commission take?

    I’m guessing fuck all.

    Maybe this is the approach private schools should take when questioned over their charitable status.

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    • 29
      The Admiral says:

      Nice one jgm

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    • 31
      udderly 'orrible says:

      The Charity Commission is a Liebour parteh wh*orehouse led by a prime luvvie – Dame Suzy Leather. The Whips adore her(!)

      Top of the list on the promised quango bonfire.

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      • 134
        Brixjack says:

        Yeha like the Quango bonfire is gonna happen. Howe many new quangos has DC announced since he became leader of the Tories? It must be over 40 by now

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        • 205
          Mr Ned says:

          Cameron has promised about 28 I think. One of which is a quango to eradicate quangos.

          Believe it IF I see it.

          I shall not be holding my breath.

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      • 148
        Archer Karcher says:

        Isn`t Suzi a Commie Purpose graduate?

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    • 37
      EC1 PhD says:

      Back in the good old days (1980s and before) ministers would resign over a matter such as this, if proven. Trouble is, the exercise book with the thick felt pen has just gone up the Richard Timney, never to be seen again.

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      • 227
        Nick2 says:

        Yes, New Labour will be remembered as the first party that (with very few exceptions) ignored the Parliamentary convention that Cabinet ministers are responsible for the actions taken by their departments, resigning for making a complete balls up of their portfolios or (most corrosively) when their integrity, character or reputation was sullied.

        There were a few bad Tories in Thatcher’s/Major’s administrations but NOTHING compared to the sleaze of Blair’s/Brown’s periods in power.

        Of course, like junkies trying to ‘convert’ non drug abusers most of the MPs appear to have been encouraged to embezzle expenses, so that they are less likely to speak out against the crimes committed by the Cabinet.

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    • 53
      Steve Expat says:

      One rule for the rulers yet again…

      The assault on private schools by “Dame” Suzy is disgraceful class war raged by the civil service on behalf of the government.

      Has anyone actually done the maths and worked out what it costs if the private schools were all to close, sending the 8% of children that they currently educate to the state sector??

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      • 81
        The Bottle Fed Triplet says:

        So lets get this straight, these kids who have a private education are not a burden on the state, they do not take places away from state schools and their parents pay in to the state system via tax whilst not using the state education system. Hmmm……..sounds like a win-win for the treasury.

        How does that affect the poorest people in the country, surely they get their education subsidised by the wealthy? How does private education stop the poorest people in the country from realising their full potential? Finally, and crucially, is there any reason why state schools aren’t as good as private ones?

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        • 86
          Sir William Waad says:

          I suggest the admin staff/teacher ratio in the state sector must have an effect. Independent schools are lean on admin. True, the state sector has far more problems to deal with, but on the whole these aren’t solved by people sitting behind computers and issuing directives.

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          • The IMF is coming says:

            Discipline.

            BTW I watched Ramsay in India the other night. There had been a fracas in the street. The ‘perp’ waited for the policeman to arrive, who bollocked him then whacked him before telling him not to come back! Street crime – Done!

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        • 89
          EC1 PhD says:

          If education in this country was taught by people who had a minimum of a post-graduate degree (as in Finland where there are no private schools) then the standard of education would be higher across the whole country. The trouble is, is not’s very left-wing to insist the teachers are all highly educated and qualified so the downward spiral in the standards of the teachers’ own educations falls and the politics of education envy fill the void.

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          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            Not very right wing either. would cost a bomb!

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          • EC1 PhD says:

            There are tens of thousands of people who obtain post-graduate degrees every year. If someone with some sense had decided in 1997 to spend the billions of the education budget on hiring highly qualified teachers rather than squandering it on red tape and meddling initiatives, the echoes of “education, education, education” wouldn’t ring so hollow.

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          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            You get people into training by offering all sorts of grants to do PGCEs. That started under Major and has continued since. Labour brought in a “super teacher” pay structure too, that was supposed to do what you describe.

            In what way do you think extra qualifications make teachers better?
            (A 2.2 and a general enthusiam would do fine by me)

            Its actually quite hard to define what makes a good teacher for what goes off 90% of the time at school, but i’d go for something between barbara woodhouse and derren brown. Extra subject knowledge (esp in an odd corner of the subject that someone with a PHd might have) doesn’t add much to that 90%-of-what-happens stuff.

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          • Can'tHelpButShout@TheTVwhenGordo'sOn says:

            Heard a lovely little story recently. Researchers got Public- and State-School teachers to swap Schools for a brief time.

            They’d expected the Public-School Teachers really to struggle with the urban yoof and to maintain control in disruptive classrooms. But the Public-School Teachers encountered no such problems…

            The State-School Teachers, however, didn’t get on so well… Their egos just couldn’t take clever kids intellectually running rings around them.

            Time to slash in State-School Teachers pay?.. If you’re any good and want more remuneration, you know where you can go.

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        • 95
          jgm2 says:

          Yes. There is one good reason. Because parents paying upwards of 12K a year after tax so 20K a year pre-tax will not put up with their kids fucking about in school. Nor will they put up with teachers who fuck about. Nor will they put up with parents of kids who do allow their kids to fuck about.

          That said I went to school in the state system but I had the support of parents who encouraged, nay, implored me to pay attention at school. The little maths and reading and writing they learned themselves before, as my dad so often reminded me, being taken from school at the age of 12 to follow a fucking plough – they taught me.

          They had respect for education and even now, in Ireland, they still have respect for education. It is uniquely the white, feral muppet underclass of the UK that seems to have now spent several generations revelling in their fucking stupidity. To the point where a government minister, Jack-fucking-Straw, can proclaim that ‘Maths is not his strongest subject’. The fucker is making decisions involving 100’s of billions of pounds and he declares ‘I’m shit at maths!!!’

          There is not another country on earth where a minister would get away with such an admission. But our culture is so fucking dumbed down that we celebrate numerical idiocy. And then we wonder why everybody (including the government) is borrowed to the hilt and we have a fucking financial crisis.

          We don’t need a Pol Pot year Zero shooting intellectuals. We need quite the fucking opposite.

          Shoot the thick c*nts. Or at least jail them. Stupiity costs us seven times as much money as fraud. We should be jailing the fucking stupid. They cause far more damage than fraudsters.

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          • Rick the Roman says:

            jgm2 – a few nuggets here. IMO kids who do well at (state) school usually do so because their parents encourage them and are supportive of education. They know it is the key for their kids to achieve a good life. We have had two or maybe three generations of parents now who are the “school never did owt for me” kind and the cycle continues with their kids. How to break it with those particular kids/parents, I don’t know – but perhaps, just perhaps the Tories are right. Ian Duncan Smith’s work is certainly well worth reading.

            Britain is broken in many respects – by rebuilding families it will help a little to fix that. Kids prosper in a stable home environment – the social engineering carried out by the present Government over the past 12 years has destabilised that environment. I support tax incentives for marriage. I know there are many who will point out problems with them but the situation cannot be worse than what we have at present.

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          • Australian says:

            jgm2:

            An excellent post, but this bit in particular is pure gold:

            “There is not another country on earth where a minister would get away with such an admission. But our culture is so fucking dumbed down that we celebrate numerical idiocy. And then we wonder why everybody (including the government) is borrowed to the hilt and we have a fucking financial crisis.”

            It should be printed on posters and displayed on every street corner. Trouble is, half the population would be too thick to be able to read, let alone understand, it.

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          • Infanta of Castile says:

            The BBC does its bit – I have lost count of the number of times that presenters (many ex Oxbridge) go on as if being able to do a bit of simple subtraction or long division is way beyond most of us and then giggle about it.

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        • 145
          Steve Expat says:

          Correct Triplet.

          Same also goes for private health insurance, which reduces the burden on the state from those who wish to opt out but continue to pay taxes.

          Tax breaks for both these public money saving personal expenses would encourage their use and save the taxpayer considerable sums of money – probably only on the 20% rate of tax for now though, don’t want to be accused of helping rich people!!

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          • Hey Ho its only monry says:

            Know any consultant psychiatrists? ask them about the two NHS sessions a week they have negotiated to convert to “private work” or Category two work (court reports – very lucrative) when they should be treating nhs patients. More private work more nhs work – which gets dropped to make way for the other?

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          • jgm2 says:

            Consultant psychiatrists? Waste of a medical degree.

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          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            private health insurance: isn’t it the case that if something really bad/serious/expensive happens you end up on the NHS ?

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          • Infanta of Castile says:

            Private health care isn’t as straightforward as private education in sparing the taxpayer. First of all, people with insurance often want to see a specialist about every trivial matter because they feel they must get their money’s worth. They use up NHS surgery time to consult their GP and badger him/her into writing a referral which they would never have demanded otherwise. Secondly, people seen privately are often advised the more expensive of the medication options which they then get on the NHS (private insurance usually excludes the cost of outpatient drugs – a point to check if you think you’ll be covered for cancer care). Thirdly – as sockpuppet says – when everything goes wrong and/or their case gets really expensive, they get shipped back to the NHS.

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        • 288
          Biffo says:

          Yes, they’re run on strictly Socialist lines, with social engineering & intellectual dumbing down being their top priorities, by that vastly unpopular piece of deadwood – the podgy & incredibly ugly Ed Brownose NoBalls.

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      • 138
        Brixjack says:

        No. That’s why they are not closing them. But it is very hard to claim that they are actually charities isn’t it?

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        • 158
          Steve Expat says:

          How is education of children not a charitable activity?

          If educating children is not charitable then I can’t see what is, given that these charitable private schools are not making profits for shareholders?

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          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            If I buy my daughter a burger from a burger van, is that charitable too.

            PS: I am not John Gummer.

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        • 179
          Australian says:

          Brixjack – you couldn’t be more wrong. Until the recent deliberate socialist meddling with the charities laws, one of the basic categories of charitable purpose that had been recognised as such since the original Charities Acts in the time of Elizabeth I is education.

          It is only in the twisted socialist mind that education, per se, is not considered to be a fundamentally charitable purpose.

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          • Brixjack says:

            It’s simply not a charitable concern. If i am selling something (in this case an education) then it is a business despite whether what i am selling is deemed to good for society or not. It would be a charity if these organisations were giving away a large proportion of their service because they are just not.

            And i really don’t buy that because something has been a provision in law since the time of Elizabeth I that means that it is a good thing. I regard the amount of tax exemption that these schools are getting to be a historical quirk that doesn’t fit with the status of these schools in the 21st century. Stopping that quirk is possibly one of the best things the commission has done.

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          • jgm2 says:

            And i really don’t buy that because something has been a provision in law since the time of Elizabeth I that means that it is a good thing.

            Very Nu Labour.

            Just like boring old Habeaus Corpus, double jeopardy and right to silence. And jury trials. Silly out-dated notions.

            This was just another little ‘class-war’ dog-whistle for the ‘Stepford Voters’ of Hull. Spite the rich for another few hundred quid and then piss it away buying laptops for plankton.

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          • udderly 'orrible says:

            JGM2
            “buying laptops for plankton”

            Class!

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          • Nick2 says:

            To play Devil’s Advocate, even under New Labour education is still a charitable purpose – but it seems that to qualify schools must grant scholarship/bursaries to the ‘deserving poor’. I’m not against providing a hand up to gifted/equally competent poorer pupils but I don’t understand why educating ANY pupil isn’t charitable enough for tax relief.

            The real answer is that New Labour (and its predecessor party) is antagonistic to ‘elitism’ or even achievement – why otherwise would they pressure universities to discriminate against the offspring of graduates/’advantaged’ children, all in the name of ‘fairness’?

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        • 244
          Call me Infidel says:

          Charities like NASS you mean or Alcohol Concern or Barnardos or Migrant Helpline? You know the ones who get most of their cash from the taxpayer. If all these shysters can claim to be charities I don’t see why you have an issue with private education.
          Read it and weep….

          http://fakecharities.org/

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          • Brixjack says:

            Yeah of course Charities like that. You know: charities that help people (even it’s a section of society that you think should need help like LGBT, children, the elderly or Trees!). Not private schools that are simply a business. I find it hard for anyone to deny that’s what these schools are. If they give a significant amount of bursaries or scholarships then they are functioning in a charitable way, if they are not then why should we treat these very uncharitable organisations as charities?

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          • sockpuppet #4 says:

            Because 500 years ago not many kids went to school.
            If you can’t see that you obviously want a world socialist government.

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          • Cheese Sandwich says:

            The list misses at least one – Cancer Research UK.

            They should have found the cure by now, but they will go out of business if they do.

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          • Biffo says:

            JGM2
            “buying laptops for plankton”

            Well said! One of the thousands enraged by this decision has filed an FOI request

            http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/manufacturer_or_reseller_source#comment-8383

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  15. 32
    I Hate new Labour says:

    He should just shred everything.

    Worked for scumbag Blair didn’t it?

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  16. 33
    RestandBthankful says:

    I hear Clarence “Pinkie” Mitchell wants to be a Conservative MP. Wait a minute is this not the man who was working for the Labour Party? Has he seen the writing on the wall and changed sides? He was conspicuous by his absence in Lisbon recently! Has the worm turned?

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  17. 34
    Carry On Don't Lose Your Head (1967) says:

    Gordon Brown is Nixon with the good bits chopped out.

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  18. 38
    jgm2 says:

    By the way Guido, the way you’ve put the ‘S’ in Slush fund makes it less prominet than the rest of the word. It looks like you’re calling the PM a ‘LUSH’. Now you could be right but surely there are more obvious MPs for that particular accolade.

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  19. 41
    TheCourtOfPublicOpinion says:

    I love the way the media, and the BBC in particular try to water things down at every turn. Last summer there was a CORRUPTION EXPOSURE. There are no 2 ways about it, unless for some reason you want to soften the blow as much as possible, in which case it gets pegged down to a mere “expenses scandal”: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8474446.stm

    Their bias is glaringly obvious for anyone caring to look. Even on MOTD, when a Man Utd striker takes a shot at goal and misses, the BBC comment is always along the lines of “the ball just wouldn’t drop for him”. Like its the balls fault. Any other team doing the same “should have done better there” – that’s because it the players fault.

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    • 100
      Rip Van Winkle says:

      It’s not just the BBC though – not that I’m trying to protect those bastards, let it be said!

      See quite a lot of Sky News – not heard a bean about this. Don’t see a lot of ITV news – not much to be seen, really – but, again, haven’t heard a word. Mainstream press – not an awful lot said there, either.

      It’s the whole f’ing lot. They’re afraid to report REAL news. The question must be – why??

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      • 144
        Rick the Roman says:

        If they seriously piss off the politicos they will chop of the hand that feeds them. Most journalists today are lazy and rely on press handouts and official lines to follow.

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        • 188
          TheCourtOfPublicOpinion says:

          It is strange though how you NEVER hear the word “corruption” in any of the expense theft reports. Theres no problem using the word when it relates to any foreign government though…

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        • 270
          Nick2 says:

          Quite apart from being wrenched from the information teat, some journalists are afraid of the fall-out for their titles – think BBC post Gilligan.

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      • 207
        English Liberation Front says:

        Good point – even the Telegraph which upset the establishment by exposing our porkie MPs has not given the story of Brown’s slush fund the prominence it deserves.

        Why is the MSM protected the one eyed Scottish idiot?

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  20. 42
    Gordon Bennette says:

    All of which explains Suzi Leather, who would have indicated that her price was a title and place at the trough for being smart enough only to choose a name so unlikely one could not possibly imagine she was anything other than fragrant.

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    • 50
      Thats News says:

      This is very interesting, isn’t it? Perhaps Brown will not lead Labour into the election?

      “He wishes to spend more time with his excerise book and his £60,000 slush fund.”

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  21. 47
    Obama Blanks Gordon says:

    Obama hammers Wall Street banks

    The global banking industry was thrown into turmoil on Thursday after President Barack Obama , responding to public rage over the financial crisis, proposed the most far-reaching overhaul of Wall Street since the 1930s.

    In reforms that could force the restructuring of some of the biggest names in US finance, including JPMorgan Chase and Goldman Sachs, Mr Obama promised that “never again will the American taxpayer be held hostage by a bank that is too big to fail”.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/44f593ee-06a7-11df-b426-00144feabdc0.html

    And Obama didn’t warn Gordon that this was coming? I thought they were bestest friends, at least that is what Gordon says.

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    • 68
      jgm2 says:

      Obama definitely didn’t tell Brown this was coming because if he had then Brown would have convened a news conference the second he was told to proclaim that he was going to imitiate these policies and that Obama agreed with him.

      Just as he blew his fat mouth off when Obama confided he was going to be sending more troops to the St*n. Couldn’t wait to get the news out there even before Obama had squared it away with his own congress. Just to show off that Obama talks to him on the phone. He’s my friend you know. He confides in me.

      Not any more blabbermouth.

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      • 96
        RestandBthankful says:

        No he wouldn’t have said he was going to copy Obamarama’s policy he would have said it was HIS policy, that he had talked with Obama and that he would be announcing that he was going to implement McDoom’s policy. Isn’t that what he does with Conservative ideas.

        Labour – steal ideas. promise a lot but do nothing party.

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        • 110
          jgm2 says:

          Sorry, misspelled ‘initiate’ up there. That was the sense of what I was trying to say though – ie he’d steal the policy, proclaim it as his own and that Obama was agreeing (following).

          He’s totally shameless.

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          • English Liberation Front says:

            Yes – Shameless McDoom, the do nothing PM, the bully boy coward we have the misfortune to have as a self appointed FWIT PM!

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  22. 48
    The PM shouldn't be disturbed but this cunt is says:

    Gordon McDoom the man of principle, the one eyed Eyeron chancellor, the radical socialist intellectual, the political firebrand…………keeps notes about donations in a little scrawl filled school exercise book in case someone looks over his shoulder.

    What an abomination, a fraud, an utter cow’s gash this specimen called McDoom actually is.

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  23. 55
    Smash Labour says:

    This of course will come as a shock to the nation if it finally has to be reported as the BBC have never mentioned this once.

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    • 56
      BBC says:

      Tory MP demands answers over ‘secret’ Brown fund

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8464008.stm

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      • 84

        Please don’t link to the BBC, I made the mistake of looking at that and came across this gem masquerading as a BBC news item:

        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8472111.stm

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        • 98
          Gordon's favourite Butt Plug says:

          Well to be fair the Arabs are quite famous for the ‘Greek’ ways. It is a sin in the Quran, but they never let the teachings of the good book get in the way of a bit of bum fun. Just like the BBC, where it is almost compulsary to be Gay, and accounts for the BBC defence of the mainly homosexual PLP.

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        • 105
          Engineer says:

          Actually, Tuscan, that’s fair enough. After the fall of Egyptian, Greek and Roman civilisations, the Islamic world was pre-eminent in scholarship and technological matters until the intellectual pre-eminence of European civilisation developed from about the 15th century onwards. The Beeb are actually quite fair with this report.

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          • Australian says:

            I beg to disagree Engineer. The fact that the Renaissance occurred in Europe at all is in no small part the consequence of the Christian Byzantine Empire surviving for long enough (until the mid 15th century) as a buffer between Western Europe and the ravages of primitive Islam.

            That Christian Constantinople survived the ravages of the Arabs in the early 8th Century and that (despite the permanent blot on Western Europe that was the Fourth “Crusade”) it held on until the Turks finally overran it in 1453 are matters for which the whole of Western civilisation should be eternally grateful.

            Do not believe the rubbish peddled by the BBC and its ilk that we would know nothing of the Classical world were it not for Islam and the Caliphate! Most of our knowledge of the Classical world survived through the Eastern Roman Empire (Byzantium) to be replanted in Western European culture from Constantinople in the latter part of the Middle Ages.

            Even a lot of what is written about the debt that mathematics owes to the Caliphate is rubbish. Much of that knowledge was transmitted to Baghdad in the Middle Ages via the Emperor’s court in Constantinople.

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          • hovis says:

            Engineer: you are over egging the pudding. “After the fall of the Greek and Roman empire ” You are forgeting that Byzantium,(the Eastern Roman Empire) didnt fall until 1453. The Turks were unable to build a dome bigger than church of Hagia Sophia for over 200 years. The case for muslim science is well overstated IMHO and often is quoted by multi cuulturalists – who also forget that much of the science was achieved due to essentially a syncretic set of beliefs prevailing, and much was actually was actually greek and jewish rather then islamic.

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          • Australian says:

            Hovis and I did not compare notes (honest!). Just to add a small point to Hovis’s comment about the dome of Haghia Sophia. That marvellous cathedral was of course already around 900 years old when the Turks took Constantinople in 1453. The fact that they could not attempt to replicate it for over 200 years would seem to indicate that the Islamic Caliphate was well over 1,100 years behind the Christian Eastern Roman Empire in terms of mathematical and engineering ability.

            Go to Constantinople today and just marvel at Haghia Sophia. Then contemplate the achievements of early medieval Christian society (at a time when a well known pagan warlord from Mecca wasn’t yet even a twinkle in his father’s eye!).

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          • Dr Pangloss says:

            ‘the Islamic world was pre-eminent in scholarship’

            Rubbish. Islam was (and still is — wakey wakey, handwringers) a religion of conquest and war It misappropriated the wealth and knowledge of the far more sophisticated civilisations on which it predated – Persia, for example. Many if not most of the celibrity scholars of mediaevil islam are either heretical in thought or non-moslems. You see the stolen goods but mistake the thief for the owner.

            Incidentally, in the 7th century when Islam first spread out its tsunami of warfare and slavery the impact on even (unconquered) Byzantium and europe to the west is evident in massive economic collapse. The principal driver of the Dark Ages and the virtual erasure of the Christian-Hellenic culture, not only within the newly conquered Christian lands in the ME and north Africa but in western Europe was islam. Their piracy/jihad closed off trade in the Med and caused economic strangulation.

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        • 112
          cant hunter says:

          At least when talking about it on the Today programme, the Muslim curator had the grace to state, sometimes imply, that the scientific specimens and techniques were mostly absorbed by Islam from other cultures.

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          • Allan@Aberdeen says:

            The Beeb’s report is nonsense. Whenever a scientist in the islamic world discovered something contrary to the ‘teachings’ of the koran and the absolutely faultless, immutable word of god, that discovery and the scientist were buried. Christianity tried that for a while (Galileo) but reason prevailed and so did science to provide us with the shelter from islamic backwardness of which Churchill wrote.
            Then the BBC writes that external enemies attacked islam (WTF!?). The muslims attacked every people around them and forced conversions along with committing mass murder and wholsale elimination of cultures (Zoroastrian Persia, Hindu north-west India etc). The BBC lies for islam.

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          • Australian says:

            Allan – you can add to your list of cultures lost (or almost totally so) to the murder and pillage of rampant Islam: Christian Syria, Christian Palestine, Christian Egypt, Christian Anatolia, Christian Thrace, Christian Libya, Christian Numidia and (for varying lengths of time) Christian Spain, the Christian Balkans, Christian Greece, Christian Armenia, Christian Sicily, Christian Cyprus etc etc etc.

            To say that “external enemies attacked Islam” is utterly false. Always and in every case, these were people seeking to recover part of what Islam had previously stolen from them at the point of a sword.

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        • 150

          Take it all back: shooting from the hip when in a hurry – the article’s interesting. Must stop commenting on headlines without checking substance.

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        • 154
          Raving Loon says:

          Yeah, but what have they done for us lately?

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      • 176
        Smash Labour says:

        Yes TORY MP, but the BBC are not investigating the story themselves, unlike say Caroline spelman and her Nanny when shits like Michael Prick were all over it for weeks.

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      • 271
        Nick2 says:

        The Sunlight Centre has also reported Brown to the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards – presumably in case Greg Hands’ letter gets lost in the post…

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    • 61
      Australian says:

      There you have it in a nutshell.

      Every trick will be pulled on this matter to hush it up, simply to ensure that the BBC can pretend it never happened. It will therefore never register with the great unwashed.

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    • 66
      backwoodsman says:

      Thats the great thing about the bbc, their consistancy.

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  24. 58
    Jack Straw's dad who didn't fight in the war. says:

    Harry Cohen eh. Is anybody surprised? It just reinforces the established view of such people throughout the land.

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  25. 59
    oldrightie says:

    Labour lies are very costly to maintain hence their slush funds have to be very large indeed. I suspect their blind trusts would make interesting reading, too.

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  26. 65
    Gordon Brown says:

    I have instructed Carter Ruck regarding that despicable little scrote,Peter Watt.

    What an ungrateful little turd

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  27. 70
    Peter Watt says:

    This should increase the sale sof my book by another one or two.

    Thank you so much Guido

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  28. 72
    conker says:

    Brown is LUSH

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  29. 73
    final salary civil servant pensioner says:

    I think it is all of US who are bent and on the fiddle and our poor MP’s are simply trying to fit in with the general public perception of how we should conduct ourselves in public and private.

    In fact I am going to take my fiddling a stage further and start cheating at Golf – Oh Yes think of all the prize money I can win from the club seniors competitions. I bet no-one at my club has even considered this!

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  30. 74
    Feral Minister says:

    Never again must two boys be allowed to grow up in “toxic” homes with dysfunctional parents and turn into young potential killers. Lessons will be learnt and systems put into place to ensure that society doesn’t let these horrific incidents occur again.

    J Bulger. Liverpool 1993
    ??????. Doncaster 2010

    Your town? Coming soon.

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    • 149
      Jan says:

      I see the two Jamie Bulger murderers are to be given new homes in Australia.What have the Australians done to deserve these two scumbags? New identities too. I suppose this is a new way of getting to Australia.Forget the points system.Just get your kids to do a murder or two, and boosh ten years later you get out of this country,free passage and a new life. Sounds like the 50s all over again. Only difference now is that you don’t have to pay the £10 fare.

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    • 175

      So a horrific crime so rare it only occurs once every 17 years is to be the motivation for government action, is it?

      You must work for the HSE.

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    • 243
      oldfella says:

      does this include the Milibands??

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    • 273
      Nick2 says:

      I’ve been trying to think of any institutional child care scandal that DOESN’T involve Labour councils. Doncaster (7 and counting), Cleveland (lots), Haringey (Baby Peter & Victoria Clumbie), Islington (presided over by Margaret Hodge), the list goes on and on. The only council I think may have been Tory was Brighton/Kemp Town with Maria Cauldwell in the 70s.

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  31. 75
    Damian McBride says:

    OK!

    I put my hand up.

    I did it.

    I blew it.

    Give me a job.

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  32. 76
    The IMF is coming says:

    They just do what they want, knowing full well they will somehow weasel out of it.
    Iraq
    Expenses
    Smears
    Slush funds

    Arrogance

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  33. 77

    I am more concerned that the crooks coming in to replace the current crooks will still be crooks. Moreover, crooks with identically destructive and demented policies.

    BTW, who *really* thinks that this money was all declared and above board? Another …. dodgy donation perhaps? Where *did* that nice Mr Abrahams get that money he gave to key Labour figures? Isn’t it curious how that question is so rarely asked by our brave and independent media?

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    • 94
      Goodbye cruel world says:

      Until the electorate come to terms with the fact that the cosy two and a half party mafia racket is destroyed, much the same will continue. And to those who say that by not voting Conservative we will let Labour back in, i say what’s the difference? Conservatives are pro EU, pro MMGW, pro green taxes, pro centralised government and pro more rules and regulations. Even if Osborne’s tax on motorists was untrue the fact that many of you were unsurprised by the idea shows that even die hard Tories are in despair.
      Cameron is currently speaking about “the need to mend broken society”. We require more than his sticking plaster solutions. Meanwhile Harry Cohen still maintains that he’s better value than Churchill.
      What colour is the sky in Westminster?

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      • 151

        I agree. If the tories go into the election with this kind of soggy shit as a manifesto, I’m voting UKIP. I dont’ give a hairy shit if by doing so I will let Brown in again. I see no major difference. *yes*, the tories are better, but no so much better than I’m going to hand them a decade of my life. I would prefer to suffer another five years of labour and then get a *proper* right wing option at the next election.

        I imagine there are many like me, and Cameron needs to sort himself out. Talk to David Davis, Hague – men with sound ideas. THis social democrat shit is worthless.

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        • 155
          Allan@Aberdeen says:

          Hague? No, he’s lost it. He has been replaced just like Donald Sutherland in the Invasion of the Bodysnatchers.

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        • 168
          Anonymous says:

          Hague? Maybe many moons ago… He’s long since been turned by his Welsh champagne socialist leaning wife. He even advocates the entry of Turkey into the EU ffs! What is it with right wing Tories flipping once they get a sniff of socialist poon?

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        • 274
          Nick2 says:

          Hear, hear – agree totally that real Labour is better than ‘Heir to Blair’. Let Brown/Harman grovel to the IMF & cut benefits to their client state of claimants and public servants. Why should the Tories take the shit? The wheels are coming off the waggon within the next six months – why not let Labour hit the iceburg & UKIP/real Tories can steer the lifeboat.

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    • 102
      Paul Volcker says:

      Where are the Labour Party auditors ?

      Who are they ?

      Hold them to account…

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  34. 79
    Damian McBride says:

    Harry Cohen.

    Give me a job. Now!

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  35. 82
    Moley says:

    Read this bit;

    “Mr Watt said the “secret” pot of money was known as the “fund with no name” and was kept topped up with donations secured by Mr Brown’s close friend Lord Murray Elder from the then chancellor’s supporters. ”

    Donations from a single source into a fund for the personal use of one person with no proper accounts.

    That is entirely different to the Party putting some money aside into a separate fund for Brown to use for Party purposes.

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  36. 83
    kinky1956 says:

    Local papers announce that John Maples, MP for Stratford on Avon and Tory party chair is standing down. So thats nothing to do with his scam of making the RAC club in london his main residence so he can claim second home allowance for his Oxfordshire mansion.

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    • 101
      Unsworth says:

      Have you asked him?

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      • 120
        Twat Spotter says:

        Asking him? Asking and expecting an honest answer from an MP? You must be barking mad. The hoon claimed that the RAC Club was his home for God’s sake. Get a grip on yourself.

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    • 127
      the fettes/eton axis says:

      To be fair he may spend more time at the RAC Club than anywhere else. On this basis I look forward to Prezza claiming Old Lardbuckets Pie and Grease Stall as his main residence (or maybe even the rear end of Tracey).

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      • 167
        Twat Spotter says:

        Fair? Are you demented? He said he lived at the RAC club, that is was his main residence, and it is not. He lied and he knew he was lying. That he spends more time there than anywhere is testament to the lying hoon’s indolence.

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        • 215
          the fettes/eton axis says:

          My apologies – you are evidently German as you fail to recognise sarcasm.

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          • Unsworth says:

            Tragic, really. He/she must be some sort of State Education Victim. They all take themselves so fucking seriously.

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  37. 85
    Sir William Waad says:

    Actually the exercise book is for loans to RBS and other banks. Brown uses an Etch-a-Sketch to record his personal slush money.

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    • 123
      the fettes/eton axis says:

      Be fair – I recall the Dilbert cartoon where the pointy haired boss is given an Etch a Sketch, told its a laptop and instructed to turn in upside down and shake it to reboot. This may explains Browns use of one.

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    • 133
      Gordon's favourite Butt Plug says:

      And like the talented autistic prat that he is. Brown can do curves and even 3d.

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  38. 87
    That's Democracy says:

    Of course there will be no investigation. What do you seriously expect? Justice? Honesty? Decency? This is Britain, where 85% of the population will never be given a chance because they were born in the wrong place/went to the wrong school and so on.

    In this fundamentally unfair and class-ridden hierarchy, these dishonest people can do what they want and you can do nothing about it. Only massive constitutional change will alter that.

    United Kingdom Plc: the best democracy money can buy

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    • 186
      Tony Benn, Viscount Stansgate says:

      I agree, have you heard about my son Hilary and my grandaughter Emily?
      Did I ever mentioned my father William or my grandfathers Sir John and Daniel?

      Yes we do go back a long, long way, our service to the politics of the UK is the stuff of legend.
      Before you go, do you know it was me who cancelled our space satellite program when we were world leaders in the technology, so we could join in unity and harmony with our French neighbours to build the marvellous and highly profitable Concorde?

      Yes I know it did not make any money, it cost an absolute fortune actually. The funny thing is, if we had stuck with satellites we would have made billions instead of losing billions, ha ha ha oh well, never mind.

      Hilary has some wonderful ideas too, I cant wait for my slop bucket, can you? Toodle pip, must dash, a journalist from Socialist Worker is coming around to interview me, did I ever tell you that Harold Wilson was……

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  39. 91
    Postal Vote says:

    Watt must be on to something.

    This sluch fund story has not been, in PR speak, “robustly” denied by the beeb or the guardian. Not to mention lawyer action funded by taxpayers.

    go Guido, go (and don’t forget to inquire about Balls’s security card for access to the treasury whilst he was with the Smithy thing – what a disgrace: Smith wrote the wealth of nations, Brown & Balls are writing the POVERTY OF NATIONS!)

    PS If you have not been asked whether you’d like to vote postally, you’re not based in a (labour marginal) – happy postal voting everyone!

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  40. 93
    Doc Trough says:

    Edtickles looks like he’s hearing voices in the pic. I bet it’s an irritating, high-pitched drone – like a well fed Mosquito.

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    • 118
      the fettes/eton axis says:

      Then he shouldn’t have been searching Lord Cashcrofts luggage – we all know Belize is infested with nasty creatures.

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  41. 99
    Paul Volcker says:

    Guido

    Quite right about Harry Cohen…

    But his talking about “class discrimination” is the last refuge of a scoundrel…

    Privileged long serving MPs talking about “class discrimination” is obscene…

    He cllearly has no shame…

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  42. 104
    Groucho says:

    On my tax return I will not mention the £50,000 I have tucked under the mattress, but if asked about it I will answer different questions entirely. Seems to work for the Dear Leader.

    Tax man: “Mr Marx – why did you not declare this?”
    Groucho: “Turn off at junction 63 and follow the A690″

    Tax man: “Where did the money come from?”
    Groucho: “It’s a quarter past three”

    etc.

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    • 116
      jgm2 says:

      And, when finally in front of the beak give it ‘I’m sorry, maths isn’t my stongest subject’ and ‘I was advised it was within the rules’.

      Gotta be worth a go.

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      • 146
        Gordon's favourite Butt Plug says:

        After the threat of a special investigation, I promise you that for us small people that the tactic just doesn’t work. Tax to be repaid, plus interest at 8.5%, and a 50% Fine on the lot.

        These bastards either don’t pay, pay a bit, or pay most of it. Never a mention of Interest Penalty and up to 100% Penalty Fine and a much thicker file.

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        • 185
          Groucho says:

          I feel your pain. I was hounded by these fuckers for 4 years over money I didn’t owe. Each time they visited me the intimidation tactics grew nastier. They kept bumping up the penalties to the point where it was worth the effort for them to keep on pursuing me in the hope of a big payout.

          It ended up costing me thousands in legal fees to prove my innocence. Brown seems to think it is fitting to treat the public in this way, but as you say, there is no way that our political masters would be treated like this.

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          • Anonymous says:

            I originally worked in the Inland Revenue, even in the early 80s there was enormous pressure for examining officers to disallow arguably reasonable expenses under the excuse that although exclusively paid, they weren’t ‘necessarily’ or ‘part private’ expenditure.

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  43. 113
    the fettes/eton axis says:

    The difference between Labour and the Conservatives. Labour are incompetent crooks. The Conservatives are able to draw on decades of Daddy’s tax advisors to hide their slush funds through Belize.

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    • 153
      Gordon's favourite Butt Plug says:

      NO, the difference is that the Tories made their money outside of Parliament and often before they got involved in it. Labour made their Millions within scams of Parliament or kickbacks. Then milking their contacts for ridiculously lucrative lecture tours.

      As for the Lib Dums. Well, what about them.

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      • 279
        Anonymous says:

        Althoughpotiticians of the ‘political class’ from all parties seem to have media/non/union jobs after their SpAD internships and prior to their being selected as PPCs, more Tories seem to have ‘real’ jobs, although most MPs appear to have ligged along in the legal profession.

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    • 230
      Unsworth says:

      So, Labour are criminals whilst the Conservatives are shrewd.

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    • 256
      Anonymous says:

      yawn……

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  44. 114
    John says:

    YAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNN

    Cant you just go back to some gossip guido?

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  45. 115
    Nigel S says:

    A company for carrying out an undertaking of great advantage, but nobody to know what it is.

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  46. 118
    Ch4rl3s H4rdwidg3 says:

    Where is that boring twat Charley e softcock, oh silly me.

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  47. 122
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    One of the main reasons to be in power is so that you can get away with things, everyone knows that. Brown, Blair, Blunkett, Vaz, Mandelson, Scotland…. on and on and on.

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    • 192
      Baroness Uddin says:

      You forgot me.

      By the way if you want a clause or two inserted into law, I know just the chaps who will do that for you in the Lords, for a modest retainer of course.

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    • 280
      Nick2 says:

      Don’t forget ‘Lord’ Ahmed who repaid his debt to society for killing someone with 16 days in a cushy open prison…

      And he was never chaged with driving up the M1 whilst talking on a mobile phone on Christmas Day – wonder why not?

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  48. 124

    I always wondered what Gordon’s constituents must be like to elect such a cretin, and the answer is here: a typical couple from Fife.

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    • 160

      I hardly think they’re typical. Neither are alcoholics, nor are they obese.

      Cream of scotland, that pair.

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    • 281
      Nick2 says:

      It’s disgusting that Social Services pursue a couple and take their babe in arms. Maybe easy to sneer at the underclass but on what evidence did the Government take the child?

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    • 293
      Biffo says:

      Think its the Fife Social Services that are suffering from stupidity here not the young couple – learning difficulty or not. Young babies to fill their adoption quota – that’s all Social Services are about here in the UK – apart from letting the not so young babies be murdered (Haringay SS) & others tortured a la Doncaster SS.

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  49. 125

    Gordo is Busto!!!
    Anyone with even a small brain recognizes the criminality at the heart of labour, its been at the hear of all politics, ever since you could take a course in politics, bent accounting has been part of the course, check out McGill Uni.
    Gordo (Bent but not outed) has spent his entire life making people believe what the first idiot said about him when he was 16 (Or whatever age he was when someone uttered), this boy is a genius.

    If Dorko, I think I might call him that from now on as it seems Gordo is popular, Dorko is just that, someone we should now feel sorry for..

    Prediction – During Questioning Gordo will break down, say the Iraq thing has got him on pills to deal with the depression because it was such a heavy burdon, while he knew it was wrong, he had to support his friend Tony.

    (He wants us to feel sorry for him, then he will get the votes, I bet!)

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    • 131
      the fettes/eton axis says:

      Of course Labour are criminals – but it would be so much easier for DC to press the point if he would give straight answers to straight questions about Lord Cashcroft.

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  50. 126
    Anonymous says:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1245186/Pleased-Tweet-Sarah-Brown-latest-friends-pictured-Twitter.html

    meanwhile, Sarah’s concentrating on the important stuff
    (well Done Demi Moore, by the way)

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    • 165
      jgm2 says:

      She’s caught the bug off her husband. Clearly for Brown the whole gig is simply an excuse to get pictures of himself with famous people hence the rush to get to the US for a photo op at any given opportunity.

      Once you realise what he’s up to it becomes hilarious.

      In his fucked-up deluded brain it is still the 1920’s, Britain has still got an Empire, the most powerful navy on Earth and the Prime Minister’s remit stretches around the globe. Hence, when oil was 150USD a barrel he was on a plane down there threatening the Saudis. Pump more oil you fuzzy-wuzzies or I’ll have HMS Hood come down there and shell your fucking souk.

      Then he’s off to a G20 summit here or there looking to set up a photo of himself with Obama and Putin. Ahhhhh, Yalta revisited. Hmm, yes we shall divide up the globe like this….

      Completely away with the fairies.

      It looks like his missus has got caught up in it now too.

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      • 213
        Talwin says:

        Could be she’s just doing anything to get away from the demented tosser. Getting on with her own life: until the general election, that is, when they wheel her out to provide a ‘normal’ alternative to sociopath Brown.

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        • 282
          Nick2 says:

          Downloaded the National TV Awards – she was like an automaton mouthing platitudes about the Haiti appeal. She fitted in perfectly…

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  51. 135
    Raving Loon says:

    Right, torches and pitchforks at dawn!

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  52. 137
    The Telegraph says:

    The Conservatives are proposing to increase green taxes to fund tax cuts for families, a document on the party’s official website discloses.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/election-2010/7051794/David-Cameron-taxes-green.html

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  53. 139
    Scum TV (1 minute delay) says:

    Why not let Jeremy Kyle run the Chilcot Inquiry complete with his lie detector machine?

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    • 156
      Gordon's favourite Butt Plug says:

      I actually think DNA testing would prove to be more enlightening. On so many levels.

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  54. 162
    The PM with no mandate & a fund with no name says:

    You’ve got to peculate (yes, PECULATE ) to accumulate.

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  55. 174
    Apagusta says:

    Given that the Great Leader can’t speak write or spell with any fluency I am sure the exercise book would make very good reading……….
    entries such as…
    pay flunkey £squillions…get crap speeches
    pay think tank £scabillions…get septic tank advice
    pay lip service to the truth…priceless

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  56. 177
    Halal says:

    Funny those Israeli’s fingering all the pork products.

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  57. 178
    JontyPriorLabourLiarEsquire says:

    Balls has just made (and repeated) a very pointed remark about the two young scumbag torturers parents being “married”.

    He says this is not indicative of Broken Britain, but doesn’t want anyone to see the report for themselves…….

    How low can this tosser go?

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    • 233
      Unsworth says:

      Married? To each other? Does he know?

      So fucking what? Is Balls now of the view that married couples are likely criminals? Almost certainly. How does that fit in with his relationship with that Cooper bint? For that matter what did he marry her for, anyway?

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    • 283
      Nick2 says:

      Heard the WatO interview – he was unable to explain why the summary of the enquiry into the Eddington children omits elaborating the failings of individuals and omitted legal resonsibilities.

      Not to mention that the Government (which now manages Doncaster Council’s child care services) refused to provide a full report to the judge sentencing the guilty children.

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  58. 180
    Brixjack says:

    Wonder how much the fund is compared to all the tax Ashcroft has dodged. They are all as bad as each other.

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    • 184
      Apagusta says:

      fair comment but we are not being asked to elect Ashcroft we’re being asked to ‘elect an un-elected’ moron

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      • 191
        Brixjack says:

        Maybe it’s worse that Ashcroft wasn’t elected in the first place! It’s the Lord’s expenses’ and general dodgy-ness that annoys me the most. We can’t throw them out at the next election!

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        • 248
          Apagusta says:

          You are switching issues because I cannot believe you can be seriously contending that Ashcroft has damaged this country in any way comparable to the way Brown and his clones have.

          The fact that you don’t like the lords system is fair comment but in the light of the last 12 years + of Labour (despite pre election claims to bring reform to the other house) they have in reality been only too keen to infest it with their own kind.

          Nevertheless the Lords have proved their worth time and time again bringing bad legislation to book and in many instances exposing the corpulent modus operandi of this administration.

          Politics is not a clean game but this shower have gone beyond all norms to date in double talking and double dealing whilst still maintaining a stance of indignant ‘do-gooders’ … breathtaking arrogance at it’s worst.

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          • Brixjack says:

            Well this is where we have to agree to disagree. I think that Brown has made some mistakes but then i think that this country has changed for the better in the last 12+ years.

            One of the big mistakes is not getting rid of the house of lords properly. i am blinded to teh argument about teh Lords being a good check on bills but i really can’t see how any politician who praises democracy can not scrap the whole lot of them. That goes for both Labour and teh Tories.

            The arrogance is from the Tory posters on this site but again we will have to agree to disagree!

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    • 235
      Unsworth says:

      Actually you haven’t a fucking clue as to how much he may or may not have ‘dodged’, but if he’d done anything illegal the NuLab cretins would have been all over it long ago.

      Next, what about Sainsbury and his very interesting relationships with various Government Departments? Deripaska, the Hindujas etc etc etc?

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  59. 183
    Edward Balls MP says:

    I deny that the £100k Sith paid me on the instructions of Gordon Brown was a bung in return for which I undertook to serve my Master slavishly for ever and a day.

    I deny that I needed the money because I had to take a year’s leave between leaving The Treasury and Mr Brown finding me a safe seat in return for keeping my nose up his bottom forever and a day.

    I deny that myself and Mrs Balls(nee Testes) have troughed out on second home allowance.

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  60. 193
    Jimmy says:

    “Where are the records?”

    Where are yours?

    “The first link shows all the donations we have recieved [sic] up to the 1st November 2009 and the second link shows our Profit and Loss Account up to the 1st November 2009. We will be updating these on a monthly basis from now on.”

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  61. 199
    Angry cunt says:

    Would it be useful to have some kind of letter/email/message to inundate the BBC complaints department with? I honestly believe that Brown could still win this election, and his protection by the state media is further helping him. The BBC needs to learn to report things properly, or face the axe.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/hi/newsid_4030000/newsid_4032600/4032695.stm

    Any suggestions?

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  62. 206
    NotaSheep says:

    You know as well as anyone that any prosecution of Gordon Brown will be deemed “not in the public interest”. When in fact it would be very much ‘in the public interest’ as it might force the incompetent fool to resign and so cause a general election.

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  63. 218
    Anonymous says:

    I suppose it is almost possible to feel sorry for plain “Mr” John Lyon. How can he get a knighthood or a place in the Lords if he upsets his master? The poor sod can’t win. Isn’t it delightful?

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  64. 224
    Sarah Smith says:

    A fund with no funds for a mentalist with no mental abilities

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  65. 229
    Angry cunt says:

    Why the bloody hell are we in this situation anyway?

    The only outlet trying to push this story about corruption at the top is GF. I firmly believe that if Guido had been around with popularity during Blair’s early years – that would have obviously required the blogging/internet scene to be in existence then – he could have been able to curtail some of the sleaze. The BBC certainly wasn’t up to the job.

    And as for the parliamentary system dealing with this itself: you can see the Tories are scared to have a real go in case Mandelshit pulls out some kind of Deripaska move again. It’s not handy when all the parties are involved in plotting – it means none of them really try to scrutinize what is going on.

    The situation is brutally clear. The BBC must be abolished and Ofcom needs to be reformed. We need to have a situation where TV can be partisan and unbalanced (although it already is anyway). This would mean a chance at having a TV channel specifically catering for Guido’s audience, at the cost of having the unpleasantness of Toynbee TV at one end of the spectrum and Faux news on the other. It would still be worth it.

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  66. 257
    Titless says:

    Brixjack you say….

    (pasted quote) ‘I think that Brown has made some mistakes but then i think that this country has changed for the better in the last 12+ years.’

    Can you give a single example of what you mean by ‘better’ ? I’m struggling to think of one.

    You say (pasted quote) ‘One of the big mistakes is not getting rid of the house of lords properly. i am blinded to teh argument about teh Lords being a good check on bills but i really can’t see how any politician who praises democracy can not scrap the whole lot of them. That goes for both Labour and teh Tories.’

    By that statement do I take it this government should have been left unchecked in it’s legislation ?..
    and if not by what means would you suggest a check should have been exercised ?

    In agreeing to disagree I will ignore your comment about Tory arrogance of posters…being a pragmatist I want the best for the Uk whoever wields power but along with millions of others despise this government treating voters as fools.

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  67. 260
    violet says:

    Is it only people of my generation that thinks Brown is a reincarnation of Richard Nixon?

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  68. 261
    violet says:

    Is it only people of my generation (OAP) that thinks Brown is a reincarnation of Richard Nixon?

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    • 263
      Cheese Sandwich says:

      You may be right dear Violet, but we are all too pissed to remember. That’s when we’re not seething with rage, that is.

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    • 289
      NorthernGit says:

      In a word Violet…yes…but only you..are you sure you don’t mean Richard Turpin famous for wealth redistribution with his trusty steed Dobbinmand and manservant
      Edbutnoballs.

      Many a night at the Strumpit and Squit locals still regale us with tales of the happy times this trio of shysters have had helping the nation’s poor.

      Violet have another ribena shandy,put Vera on singing ‘they’ll be brown stains over’
      and try again..very original lateral thinking….up ‘er abouts we call it ‘planking’

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  69. 266
    Anonymous says:

    Don’t know if it may have struck any of you that perhaps Mr Watts may not be entirely accurate regarding what he says about how the records were kept?

    At least if he is being economical with the truth Messrs Dale and Ashcroft can contribute to the libel damages.

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    • 295
      Biffo says:

      If Peter Watt had been economical with the truth, you can be sure that Carter Fuck would have already been in touch & he would be backpedalling like a torpedo. So I’d say the story’s true & I hope karma finally catches up with the Hunt from Kilcardy, McSnot of the Lies.

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  70. 269
    Porky Pies MP says:

    Cohen by name – Cohen by nature!

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  71. 296
    Anonymous says:

    Has anyone looked into wether the Shrum dude payments are properly taxed? If he is paid out of a secret fund, have they paid their employer’s NI and all that?

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  72. 297
    Anonymous says:

    The curse of Jonah…

    May 27, 2009 Jonah visits The Meadows Neighbourhood Centre in North Tyneside in support of John Harrison’s campaign to be re-elected Mayor of North Tyneside (he lost).

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-evening-chronicle/2009/05/28/pm-gordon-brown-backs-chronicle-campaign-72703-23733646/

    January 25, 2010 The Meadows Neighbourhood Centre faces closure

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/north-east-news/todays-evening-chronicle/2010/01/25/north-shields-charity-faces-cash-crisis-72703-25678739/

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