January 21st, 2010

Forsyth Inching Tories Towards Reality

Lord Forsyth has hit the headlines calling for spending cuts of £75 billion a year.  Sounds like a lot until you realise that government will still be over-spending by more than £100 billion a year since the budget deficit is £178 billion.  A government that over-spends by £2 billion a week is going to worsen the debt crisis.

Before Liam Byrne starts spinning about cruel Tory cuts he would do well to remember that Lord Mandelson said it was ‘vital’ to reduce the deficit by some £80 billion in a speech two weeks ago.  Mandelson is still outflanking the Tories…


  1. 1
    Sir William Waad says:

    There’s plenty of fat to cut:

    (1) Shrink the Civil Service to its size in 1997.

    (2) No more vanity projects

    (3) Abolish half of all quangos

    (4) Refuse to fund any non-medical jobs in the NHS that exceed the corresponding numbers in 1997.

  2. 2
    State of play says:

    Talk gathering pace about Brown’s mental state – evidently they have to get him up in the mornings after 1 or 2 hours sleep as he is having terrible tantrums during the night.

  3. 3
    Animal says:

    But what about the Labour investment, not cuts promises?

    The media continually let them off the hook far too easily.

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    jgm2 says:

    Remember the good ol’ days of Blair. when all Labour mouthpieces sang from the same sheet. There was no disparity of message the because the Labour Party knew, rightly, that what causes political bust-ups is one minister saying one thing ’80bn cuts are needed’ when another one is blithely giving it ‘we’re investing – it is the Tories who are cutting’ and yet another one hiding cuts in page 200 of some fantasy PBR.

    The Tories should be taking Labour apart for their obfuscation and inconsistency and mixed messages.

    The newspapers should be taking them apart.

    The BBC should be….oh…. forget that.

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    The more the Tories say, the bigger authoritarian, communitarian hole they dig.

    We need to relieve the productive sector of tax burdens – cost of employment in particular, ie income tax – whilst cutting back significantly on the state for the simple reasons that it is a) way too big and doing unnecessary and counter productive things and b) we just cannot afford it.

    We could not afford it even before the credit crunch!

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    Cynic says:

    Cameron and Clegg should jointly say that its vital anyone who may be PM and have their finger on the nuclear trigger have a full medical assessement before the eelection and that this inlcude a mental health assessment and be published. If Brown refuses we should all ask why.

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    English Liberation Front says:

    I really don’t understand the 30% of the population who claim they are still going to vote Labour at the next election. Labour should get 0%, since Brown and his useless government have wrecked the country for a generation.

    There are many reasons to be mad at Brown and Labour, but since Brown was Chancellor for 10 years, prior to appointing himself as PM, I shall concentrate on the economy.

    It is no good Brown and Labour saying this is a “global” crisis and that “it started in America”, since Brown was responsible for the state of the UK going into the Credit Crunch. And what a sorry state it was, with ballooning public debt and a bloated public sector before the CC was even a twinkle in the eye.

    The UK was the worst placed major economy going into the recession, because the one-eyed Scottish idiot believed his own stupid rhetoric about “an end to boom and bust” – as a consequence, we have the mother of all busts – massive spending cuts are the only medicine and it will be painful, believe me!

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    Lord Mandelslime says:

    My cuts are bigger than your cuts.

  9. 9
    Mr Ned says:

    The excuse being proffered via the telegraph, for the tories failing to take labour apart, is that the state of the civil service has become so bad, and so dysfunctional, that any efforts by the tories to get the information they need to plan for action after taking power, is being hampered by the government being utterly dysfunctional.

    It is that bad, the tories do not know where to start.

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    RealPolitik says:

    Pull the armed forces out of the sundry middle eastern hornets’ nests they’ve been plunged into, leave the crazy f**ckers to get on with what they’ve been doing best for 2000 years

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    Claire Rayner says:

    Those aren’t ‘tantrums’

    They’re ‘orgasms’

    Natural in a growing boy

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    No to 6 quid! says:

    And what has all this “spending” actually achieved?

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    City Lad says:

    Guido – anyone, not just Mandelson, could outflank the Tories as they are presently.

    For months many, including myself, have been saying they need to up their game.

    This is a tragedy. CCHQ, for heaven’s sake get a grip. Do you not want to win?

    A billboard with the future front bench giving their names underneath their faces? Nobody knows who you are. Show some leadership pleeeeeeeeeease.

    I sold 192 Labour seats at £50 a pop. Looks like I’m out the money.

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    The Beast of Clerkenwell says:

    I would be worried if I were Forsyth
    Apart from Gordon and Reinaldo who wants mandy inching behind them?

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    Mr Ned says:

    Neither labour, nor tory, want to win. Is that not obvious by now?

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    jgm2 says:

    It will be all the more painful because the evil Labour bastards are still (successfully) avoiding being pinned down on the cuts that they themselves are admitting they’ll have to make. So that when the Tories do make the cuts the evil Labour MPs that remain will be dressing in sack-cloth and ashes proclaiming that it is the Tories who are destroying their ‘legacy’ for purely ideological reasons.

    Not because it is the only economic option available thanks to the additional two years of scorched earth financial idiocy pursued by Brown.

    If Brown had started making the necessary cuts back in 2007 when the crash of Northern Rock gave even his rock-filled skull the heads-up that this was all going to shit then we’d be properly out of this recession by now. Butno. He just perservered in his idiocy. Denied it was going to shit ata all. when it did go to shit blamed every fucker on the planet but declared that thanks to his fabulous foresight we were ‘best placed’ to weather the storm. Even when we were finally outed as ‘worst placed’ he still perserveres with his idiot squandering.

    As it is we’re simply 300bn quid further in the hole and we’ve still got over one million over-paid booby-traps lying around in the public sector. And jackasses like Bob Crow just itching to get them all marching to save their precious over-paid, utterly unnecessary, non-jobs and bringing the country to its knees.

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    Son of Marx says:

    Does it matter now as the Bankers have all our money?

    Its time to default and put the shits out of business and pay for everything out of current taxation.

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    NotaSheep says:

    It will be interesting if Liam Byrne tries the ‘savage Tory cuts’ line on Question Time tonight and if he does whether David ‘controlled by Harriet Harman’ Dimbleby tackles him about it.

  19. 19
    Dave Cameron says:

    I do not,repeat,DO NOT,want to be Prime Minister

    I would bet on a “no overall majority”

    It is a certainty and just watch Nick Clegg ignite the LibDems

    You heard it here first

  20. 20
    Paddy Power says:

    You are out the money,sonny

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    Smash Labour says:

    Sorry Guido. But so long as the BBC keeps giving the MONG a pass for refusing to talk about cuts (he just can’t bring himself to stop spending) whilst the BBC allows the Tories to be continually attacked for their ‘cuts’ nothing will happen.

    Mong and Mandy were both spouting on the other day that they will will ensure no jobs will go from Cadburys, this was clearly a lie, but the BBC just ran it and ran it as if it were a fact.

    Until the BBC actually gets Mong in an interview where he is pinned down about cuts and not allowed to simply rant on or talk about ‘investment’ nothing will change.

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    Richard Timney says:

    Brown is just getting on with job.

    I have always found that if I go to bed with a hard problem, i wake up with the solution in hand.

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    jgm2 says:

    I thought it was being hampered by the Labour government threatening, on pain of a P45, any civil servant telling the Tories anything. Hence raiding Tory Mps offices and sacking whistle-blowers.

    The entire UK economy is now a giant conspiracy of silence. And with good reason.

    It’s fucked. Mervyn King said as much yesterday.

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    Mr Ned says:

    There will be no long-term recovery without a plan to increase inward investment from overseas and increase exports. We need more hard currency from overseas. We need to bring wealth into the country.

    This country is being run like a shop that sells nothing and is living off an enormous and expanding overdraft whilst acting like a drop-in centre for any waster and degenerate who can come in and help themselves to a brew and something to eat…

    I remember the proud boast we used to be able to make in this country, that more than half of all inward investment into the EU came to Britain.

    Well we cannot do that without a considerable reduction in red tape. For that to happen we also need to withdraw from the EU.

    So that means that the tories and labour will be fighting amongst themselves over how to fiddle at the edges of what is needed, and not solve the dire problems once and for all.

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    Smash Labour says:

    The answer is no. Spelman will be attacked for ‘not spelling out’ Tory cuts, as opposed ot Labour investment. Also the Tories will be cutting faster than Labour.

    Oh and the Lib Dems will also get a free pass, they’ve refused to state what they will cut.

    Oh and of course baldy Byrne will run the “Tory inheritance tax cut” I hope Spelman is smart enough to remember Labour also offered something very similar (as pointed out by Ian hislop when he was on with 5 bellies spliff a while back)

  26. 26
    Smash Labour says:

    “…who wants mandy inching behind them?..”

    Every male at the BBC.

  27. 27
    Anonymous says:

    Latest unemployment figures down 7,000.

    8,500 university internships announced for funding, presumably taking 8,500 out of the figures.

    Any connection?

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    English Liberation Front says:

    Yes – whatever Labour say about us coming through the recession none too badly, it is utter claptrap, because Brown has been undermining the foundations of the economy ever more extensively. The black hole in the public finances merely ensure that some pain is deferred until after the election – a double dip recession is nailed on in my view.

    I just wish Cameron had not ring fenced health and foreign aid – I can understand he did it for political reasons, but in the current mess, there can be no sacred cows. This country is stuffed, going the way of a banana republic, unless and until public spending and public borrowing are brought under control. It simply is not possible to fund Brown’s state from our dimished and dimishing wealth creating sector.

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    Bonfire of the Quango's 7 - Quango and Cash says:

    Same old, Same old.
    You can’t ‘trim the fat’ again, or get rid of the beaurocrats, yet again.
    Those are soundbites and everyone uses them in or out of government.
    So called ‘efficiency’ savings are trimming round the edges.

    Many tens of Billions are involved here and many services will get cut to the bone.

    Cuts of this magnitude are going to get noticed very quickly by the voters and no matter how many on the backbenches of the party cheer this, Cameron and his Ministers to be, who will have to govern, know precisely what they will mean in popularity terms with the public.

    Not forgetting that this is just the most palatable part of the equation for the Tory faithful.

    The tax rises that go hand in hand with the cuts Cam and GO just won’t tell you about and will try to keep deadly silent as they are going to drive some in the Conservative Party into complete apoplexy when they get introduced.

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    English Liberation Front says:

    Explained well here:


    “Data from the Office for National Statistics also showed that although unemployment had fallen for the first time in 18 months, the jobs market had been bolstered by an increasing number of workers being forced into part-time roles as full-time opportunities dried up.

    The number of people working part-time jumped by 99,000 in the three months to November, while the total of full-time jobs fell by 113,000 over the same period. The number of part-time workers who said that they could not find a full-time position rose to almost 1.3 million, nearly 40 per cent higher than the same period 12 months earlier.

    Unemployment fell by 7,000 to 2.45 million, the first fall since the quarter to May 2008. But long-term unemployment continued to rise, with the number out of work for between six months and a year going up by nearly 80 per cent compared with the same period in the previous year. The number out of work for more than a year was 45 per cent higher. “

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    Maladroit Labour Chump says:

    Lots more public sector non-jobs, a corresponding fall in ‘official’ unemployment statistics and a huge boost to the population courtesy of our multicultural experiment.

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    I B Seldom-Lucid says:

    Well, you are going about it the right way!

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    Mr Ned says:

    Agree with all of that except, we would not have been out of the recession yet. If labour had done what they SHOULD have done, the recession would have been much deeper and we would not have been out of it yet, BUT when that recession would have ended, this country would have been in a much better position with much less debt. I saw a projection that showed that the UK economy would have shrunk 20% in total, and emerged from recession at the end of 2010. But the Government could have balanced the books by 2013 – 2015 and been in surplus thereafter.

    Doing what labour has done has meant a shallower recession, but with a much higher likely hood of another recessionary dip lasting a long time and we will be lumbered with a massive debt for decades with the interest payments on top.

  34. 34
    concrete pump says:

    “Mandelson is still out wanking the Tories…..”

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    EU turn if you want to says:

    oh for fuck’s sake NONE of the Parties are spelling out where the axe falls
    nor wil they


    a/ they don’t know where and the full extent themselves yet

    and b/ they are in an election campaign

  36. 36
    Elephant never forgets says:

    We need to have a productive sector first though

  37. 37
    jgm2 says:

    And an army of one million additional, salaried fuckwits to lug around for eternity.

    Labour, taking the tough decision to shaft your grandchildren rather than themselves.

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    Unsworth says:

    Exactly. It all depends what you mean by ‘unemployment’ and ‘figures’ doesn’t it?

    And in the fantasy-land that is The Treasury they can mean anything, everything and nothing.

    It’s all just make-it-up-as-you-go-along stuff.

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    labour hump on my back says:

    the BBC Labours advertising arm hope the Tories shut it down.

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    Mr Plum says:

    Unfortunately for Cameron and the country we will be left in such a mess when he takes over that whatever he does will cause massive hardship and unemployment.
    As usual the Conservatives will take the blame for this just as in the 1980’s.

  41. 41
    Number 7 says:

    Part time work plus lower wages is pure marxism. Put all the proles on the same wage’

  42. 42
    Mr Ned says:

    Funny, but sadly true.

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    Down the pan without a straight flush says:

    Would anyone know where to start?

    Why oh why does anyone want the job of PM after Brown – it’s the equivalent of entering a toilet cubicle on the M6 Service Area after a trucker has had an hour long crap and not flushed the toilet.

    Best to remove the toilet,or even the whole service area and start again.

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    TheCourtOfPublicOpinion says:

    “No more vanity projects”?


    Nice quote at the end:
    “Perhaps those eager early birds are simply hoping to have a truly unique collectable if the Tories scrap the benighted scheme if/when they get into power.”

    Thats you tax pounds at work, that is.

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    Tapestry says:

    They can fiddle financial stats just as easily.

    The £178 billion deficit Guido writes about is only a forecast. It was made a long time ago, in April 2009. It was based on assumptions about spending and revenues (government income).

    Take revenues. These were £606 billion in 2008, and £496 billion to April 2009. They were forecast to be £498 billion to April 2010. But everyone knows that the economy continued shrinking until at least August, which jacks up spending on things like unemployment benefit, and cuts revenues.

    The £498 revenues forecast is no doubt well out of date. I would imagine nearer £440 billion will be the actual out-turn for revenues by April 2010.

    If spending was as forecast that would mean a deficit of nearer £240 billion.

    As for spending, the gross total to December 2009 was recorded by the Treasury as £800 billion. However there were two huge unexplained ‘accounting adjustments’ of value £185 billion. Spending was forecast to be £675 billion so the adjustments have sunk spending to a surprisingly low figure of £615 billion.

    My first thought was that if revenues are down by £60 billion in 2009 on 2008, Darling has swiftly adjusted his spending down to match with these as if unexplained ‘credit notes’. So that he will claim in April that his borrowing target was met.

    A likely tale.

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    You can't choose your parents in law says:

    When we went to my parents in law for a few days at Xmas,the father in law,when I mentioned Brown said;

    “Oh it’s not his fault – he is working hard and trying his best – it’s unfair for him to get this criticism”.

    This from a man who has read the Daily Mail all his life (but mysteriously now only gets the Saturday issue – economies?).

    So that’s another one to add to the 30% who will vote for the moron.

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    jgm2 says:

    Plus they’ve now used up all the slack. Let’s for one moment go along with the utter folly of doubling our national debt from 40% of GDP to 80% of GDP just to cover up hiring one million unnecessary fuckers that we can’t afford.

    A circumstance that we never needed to get into at all. A purely political decision to create one million over-paid, unnecessary jobs. What are we going to do when we hit a fucking situation that is completely out of our control? A big war started by some other fucker for example. Or a proper global recession started by loss of confidence in the similarly over-printed dollar. Or Euro?

    We (or rather the Labour jackasses) are glibly quadrupling our national debt on the assumption that there is nothing else likely to go wrong for the next decade. They’ve not only ‘failed to fix the roof’ for the last 10 years, and, having got caught out and flooded out of house and home, they’re now gambling that we won’t need to fix it for another 10 years.

    It’s fucking lunacy.

  48. 48
    English Liberation Front says:

    “Labour, taking the tough decision to shaft your grandchildren rather than themselves.”

    That is a great slogan – should go up on billboards around the country!

  49. 49
    Peter Mandelson says:

    Labour are speaking with so many voices, they are all over the shop. I suppose all these voices create a din loud enough to hide their lack of unity on occasions, but not for long.

    Mandelson is but one of these voices. Brown and co don’t agree with him.

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    Mr Ned says:

    If only they would!!! If only they would.

    Unfortunately the BBC is the mouthpiece of the British establishment. The Government (of either main party) is the legislative poodle of the establishment. They are both puppets of the establishment.

    The tories will NOT interfere with the BBC in any significant manner at all. The BBC’s job is to condition the public, through continuous indoctrination, to the global agenda.

    It is the Government’s job then to implement the agenda in such a way that the conditioned public accept it to the degree that they will refrain from finding the evil bastards who are truly responsible and hanging them from lamp-posts.

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    Smash Labour says:

    The simple truth is we need to change what we do as a country. Forget the financial services and general manufacturing we will never compete with eastern Europe or China, India will continue to take call centre jobs away as well.

    We should do what we do best (well before Labour came to power) which is innovation, design and high tech specialist industries. We’re one of the biggest manufactures of satellites, we should be expanding science and engineering, especially at University. Politicians could help by making course for Science and Engineering at Uni either free or discounted.

    It’s all right Labour wanting kids to go to University but if all they are going to study is Heroin taking, rioting and Media Studies that won’t do anything for the nation and we will be well stuffed.

  52. 52
    Smash Labour says:

    Sorry but the BBC only ever attacked the Tories when in power. Never in a million years could you call the BBC the mouthpiece of the Tort party.

  53. 53
    Harman in control (not her car). says:

    Blimey – that is incredible.

    Thinking about it,if one were to go through the QT archives,I bet Harman is sat next to Dimbleby EVERY time,in order to direct and control him.

    That’s a job for someone – may do it for 30 mins via You Tube sometime.

  54. 54
    Jimmy says:

    Mandelson as a lone wolf might be able to say what he wants.

    Many of us in Labour do not agree with him.

    Gordon is the boss. He takes far too much stick. He will triumph over all in the party who oppose his will.

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    A Smooth Operator says:

    “Mandelson is still outflanking the Tories…”

    Yes he is by far the smoothest operator in Westminster. Team Cameron are particularly lightweight though.

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    concrete pump says:

    Some one pass me the needle and thread etc………

  57. 57

    Neither tantrums nor orgasms.
    Its nightmares. Haunting his sleep, as reality creeps into his thoughts, displacing his carefully constructed barriers of lies.

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    and no ability to attack for fear of the Drowning Street smear machine

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    Mr Ned says:

    The BBC is the propaganda outlet for the establishment. ‘Twas ever thus.

    Look at the claims of WMD. When any minister spouted bullshit about x amount of tonnes of bulk liquid anthrax being unaccounted for, why didn’t the interviewer ever ask,
    “What is the shelf life of bulk liquid anthrax? and
    “Why the concern over tonnes of inert, harmless goo?” and
    “Why the concern over a theoretical tonnes of harmless goo that only exists on paper as a result of accounting errors by the UN?”

    It is the role of the BBC and much of the corporate owned mainstream media, to pass on establishment lies as established fact. Anyone raising questions or issues with that news must be a deranged conspiracy theorist nutter.

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    Anonymous says:

    RealPol @ 9.How do we deal with the fact that “the crazy effers in the middle east” control the bulk of our oil supply sources?

  61. 61
    Charles Flaccidwidger says:

    Brown’s moving further away from reality, not closer.

  62. 62

    I think you have some rose tinted vision of the BBC from some halcyon days

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    Smash Labour says:

    TheBBC are already spinning for the Mong this morning. Prat on BBC News 24 said that “our borrowing was only 15 billion this month instead of 17 billion”.

    Well Hallefuckinglujah, well done Mong said the BBC, ONLY I repeat ONLY 15 billion borrowed last month. See fuck y u Tory wankers, Gordon has it all under control, the BBC just said so.

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    Mr Ned says:

    Here here. Free university education for degrees in science and engineering. I would vote for that.

  65. 65
    Anonymous says:

    That should have read RealPol @ 9 (not 4)

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    Brown's a Tosser says:

    Its called cooking the books and masturbating the figures and its what NuLabour does. Is there anyone out there in the real world who seriously believes unemplyment dropped by 7000 in November. No didn’t think so.

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    Smash Labour says:

    Thank you, but as I’m not a one eyed retard I don’t have power.

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    Al says:

    Mandelson can be as smooth as he likes, he’s out of step with McBusts insane thinking.

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    Jihn McCririck says:

    Its Mandelson comming up from behind with Reinaldo up
    Cameron is losing ground
    They are close to the subsidised bar
    Its first past the post
    And Reinaldo wins by a length
    But hold on , steward Bercow has launched an inquiry for excessive use of the whip

    And yes Reinaldo has been disqualified
    Steward Bercow was hoping for a happy photo finish (on his own in the bathroom) sadly the camera was out of action

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    If Mandelson is outflanking the Tories, then we have to ask why? The Tory front bench is also fairly shallow through many years in useless opposition

    He is a very shrewd politician, and what you need to uncover is where he is aiming at after the election

    The policies issuing from his department need to viewed with “longevity” i.e. do they extend long after the next election, or are they just Brownism’s to get over a certain period, like the short term civil service contracts

    Otherwise he is more Conservative than the Tories, and he is certainly no redistributer of wealth as his property portfolio attests

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    Smash Labour says:

    This propelled me into a lifestyle, reinforced by a social milieu of flamboyant media gays. At the BBC, where I worked for seven years, homosexuality was very nearly compulsory.


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    Greychatter says:

    Tantrums? He is having “Night Mares” at the state he has got this country into.

    If they aren’t night mares, they should be, he should never sleep peacefully again.

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    normal person says:

    thats not disfuncional its a case of if you hurt labour your career in the civil service will be ruined

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    May I remind any rapid re-butters here today that Hattie says Its ‘Class War’ agenda this morning.
    Then its “equality and fairness for minorities” at lunchtime and “tax breaks and free childcare” for the middle classes in the afternoon.

    Please don’t screw up the timings or Labour will look totally divided and incoherent.

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    John McCririck says:

    That is my younger half chinese brother

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    The Middle Class has a message for Brown and Labour says:

    What do you think ?- my son who graduated in 2008 with a degree in economics(not from one of the ex-polytechnics either but one of Call me Dave’s “good universities)has appled for literally hundreds of jobs(an not graduate ones’ either – ones requiring sometimes only 2 GCSEs top/t cashier etc etc)and each one has tens if not hundreds of graduates who have applied for the job.Some he gets no reply to;some he gets i/vs.

    He is presently working in the voluntary sector – unpaid for almost 12 months – so as far as Brown & Co is concerned it’s all sorted he’s actually not on the unemployment figures although it has to be said JobCentrePlus are not geared for people like him anyway and he just get’s the line keep applying;look on the internet guff.Luckily he’s got the support of the bank of “Mum & Dad” but at 23 it’s hardly repayment for 3 years at uni and £15k of student debt is it ? he want’s to work and not live on benefits(which he isn’t eligible for anyway )but the future is pretty bleak still for him and countless others AND we’ve still got the next tranche of graduates graduating this year and the 2010 school leavers whilst previous years still haven’t found a job

    Forget about the fall of 7,000 off the unemployment figures(most of those probably into unpaid,temporary or part time jobs) THAT is the legacy of Brown in a nutshell. A lost generation of skilled young people and four adults in our family who feel betrayed by Brown & Co after 13 years of gaining absolutely nothing from them and who will never ever vote Labour again AND we live in a Labour marginal so every vote in our neighbourhhod(and literally I have yet to find anyone I speak to who intends to vote Labour) against Labour will count to boot out Brown hopefully

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    50 Calibre says:

    The simple solution, which is only made complicated by those who need to endlessly pontificate on what will happen afterwards resulting in stagnation.

    Quite why it’s worth crystal balling this topic is beyond me. We will leave these parts of the world one fine day and when we do the local warlords will resume normal service and get on with their feuding and corrupt way of life. Only a few weeks after we leave nothing will be seen to have changed.

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    Mr Ned says:

    Where did I claim they were the mouthpiece of the tory party? I said the BBC is the mouthpiece of the establishment.

    The tories are less of an establishment puppet than labour, hence why the BBC attacks the tories more than labour. BUT the tories are still establishment puppets.

    Whichever party is in power, IF they stray from the establishment’s agenda, (or if they become so unpopular following the agenda that they look likely to fail in implementing it) then they are attacked by the BBC.

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    Brown's a Tosser says:

    Nice one wish I had thought of it!

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    Smash Labour says:

    But Mong is in power not Mandy. The mong is allowed to spout shite every time he comes on the BBC. He refuses to talk about cuts, I mean fuck me the other day with those laptops for chavs (300 million) my first question to the one eyed prat would have been “where the fuck are you getting the money from you jock prat?”

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    sweat in Gordon's crack says:

    Unemployment may be down, but I heard this morning that 21% of potential working population are not seeking employment. Better to be stressed than unemployed so the figures can be hidden. Plus 1m people forced into part-time employment when they wanted full-time.
    Time for the one-eyed asshole to go. I dont give two tosses if he joins the dole queue…

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    Mr Ned says:

    In Gordon Brown’s case, that could be literally, allegedly.

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    normal person says:

    you heard it first on the BBC..oh silly me

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    50 Calibre says:

    Investment spelt w a n t o n s p e n d i n g…

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    The Bottle Fed Triplet says:

    And how many votes do you have Jimmy? Just the one is it? Use it wisely.

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    Mr Ned says:


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    Anonymous says:

    Crazy innit? Labour seem to have a bigger deathwish than the Torries. If they dumped Brown they would have a chance of winning the election

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    Mr Ned says:

    Mandelson is trying to get a portfolio in the next conservative cabinet.

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    Liam Byrne says:

    But nobody tackles Byrne when he fails to mention the enormous never never payments that are just kicking in. Labour Borrow and Spend is about to mature into full blown UK bankruptcy

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    Up sh1t creek says:

    Will Hutton demonstrates why New Labour should NOT be re-elected to “sort out” the UK economy.

    Note to Hutton, £30bn of cuts is not even the waster ID cards and Olympics budgets combined, that kind of money is easy to cut from government spending, I can do it in minutes. New Labour propose some time in the future.

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    See that collection of biometric data?

    That’s you, that is.

    See that DNA fingerprint?

    That’s you, that is.

    See that ANPR tracking database?

    That’s your car, that is.

    See that tradition of liberty and fair play?

    That’s Britishness, that was.

  92. 92
    anon,anon,anon.... says:

    Peter, don’t you think you should refer to yourself in the first tense?

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    Todger says:

    And on top of all that when interest rates start their upward climb we will be well and truly stuffed

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    Dick Scratcher says:

    …and the 56k MOD and armed forces based in Germany.

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    The Bottle Fed Triplet says:

    Mandelson is untouchable and he knows it. Whatever happens he will glide effortlessly in to some well paid sinecure or another. He knows where the bodies are buried. He knows who owe him favours big and small. He will live out his life in luxury completely untroubled by moral or ethical arguments. The difficulties and struggles of ordinary working people have, and will never, impinge on this person.

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    jgm2 says:

    Right up until you saw the courses that would suddenly flourish as being marketed as ‘scinece’ and ‘engineering’.

    Fuck me there are those who class psychology as a science. And ‘climate change’ – or ‘geography’ as it used to be called.

    There is nothing wrong in principle with educating folk to degree level. The problem has come about because we have multiplied ten-fold the number in any one year being awarded degrees without any of that 10-fold increase being any smarter than they were in the 1960s when 90% of ‘em would have left school with the one or two ‘O’ levels that is all their brain is (still) actually capable of holding and gone and worked in a telephone exchange at 16.

    The only difference now is that they go and work in telephone exchange equivilent – a call centre – at 21, with 20K of debt and a comedy degree certificate.

    Thus paying their comedy university 20K to get in debt and sponging off their parents for an additional 5 years just so that Labour can proclaim it has cut unemployment!


    Hides the fuckers from the dole for five years at their own and parents expense and proclaims it has cut unemployment.

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    jgm2 says:

    Naaaah. That’s John Prescott’s family you’re confusing him with.

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    Mr Ned says:

    Well, let’s look at the alternatives, shall we? We could try going to war for it like in Iraq. That was a bed of roses wasn’t it?


    We could do what China does, and follow the normal laws of international trade and just buy the stuff! Do deals with the oil companies and governments in those countries and get oil shipped to us, all peaceful like.

    It works really well for China, they have tried it all over the world and they get a really good deal in the countries who supply them with oil.

    Who would have thought it? You can just BUY the oil??? Fuckinell! what next? Respecting and obeying international law, perhaps?

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    The Bottle Fed Triplet says:

    I agree with Hattie Harpic, I don’t want ex. public school types and members of aristocratic families on the front bench in Parliament……….Oh.. Er!

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    Brown has been a one man Haiti for the UK
    Endless promises of aid and help and endless tractor stats of targets met and resources sent to the crisis zone.

    Meanwhile people die in the streets as no help arrives.

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    Dick Scratcher says:

    Also: Stop demolishing perfectly usable schools and building palatial replacements. When the kids leave school they get pissed off having to work in a dump…and why so? Well, business has had the shit taxed out of it & cannot invest.

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    normal person says:

    and the banks lending all our money to our competitors….how many labour mps buy shares in companies that compete with our companies and the run UK businesses into the ground….can you see how it works now all you mus who work..and that includes me a small business person

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    Mr Ned says:

    Mandelson is trying to get a ministerial job in the next conservative Government. He has admitted it publicly, so why the confusion over his “outflanking” the tories?

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    Mr Ned says:


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    If a corpulent numskull like Euan Blair can do it, so can everyone else.

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    Dick Scratcher says:

    I thought the prostate cancer stories were scheduled for this week?

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    Rick the Roman says:

    In a similar position as you, sir – two of my kids graduate in summer 2011 – both of them gettin very disheartened by the anticipated lack of opportunities. I suspect both will return home and live off the same bank as your lad. I’ve thought about sending them off travelling for a year – more experience for their CV’s etc and maybe see opportunities in other countries. Neither will ever vote Labour in their lives Thirteen years of socialist government have wrecked their chances of building a life in the UK – saddled with debt, no prospect of work, let alone getting their own places and starting out on life. The socialists have well and truly screwed the middle classes – so they will think – job done. Class war has always been their motivation, spurred on by envy and loathing of people who make succeses of themselves.

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    Mr Ned says:

    “Meg Hillier, the Home Office minister stuck with responsibility for the scheme, revealed in a Commons answer this week that a whacking 1,300 people in Greater Manchester “have applied and attended an enrolment appointment for an identity card” between November 30 and January 14, 2010. Allowing for three Bank Holidays and weekends, that works out to around 43 people a day.

    Hillier revealed that over the same period, 439,000 passport applications were received by the Identity and Passport Service. However, she said that passport info was not “readily held in a format to enable a further breakdown of those resident in Manchester”.”

    I wonder how many of those 1300 people are civil servants ordered to participate and labour luvvies in the media doing it as an article for their newspaper/radio station/TV news/magazine?

    To be honest, I am surprised that so many turned up.

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    Flat Earther says:

    Ref: 51 – Someone pass me a sick bag and a blunt razor blade

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    Daniel Hannan says:

    You don’t like the Commission nominees? Tant pis!

    Americans are putting a stop to big government. Europeans are about to get more of it. Why? Because, unlike the good people of Massachusetts, Europeans don’t get a vote. Come to think of it, wasn’t it precisely to stop laws being passed and taxes levied without popular consent that the people of Massachusetts led the Revolution in the first place?


    Why isn’t Cameron saying things like this?

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    Peter Mandleson says:

    Peter should, but he prefers to use the third person.

    Peter would like it to be known that he would love to join the future Tory cabinet (please).

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    The Bottle Fed Triplet says:

    I’d hate to be the treasury secretary after the next election. When they open the books it will be like digging up a mass grave. All sorts of hidden horrors will come to light. If I was Dave I’d publish all the dodgy stuff they will undoubtedly find.

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    Just saying says:

    except in the case of labour

  114. 114
    The Bottle Fed Triplet says:

    Oi! No to 6 quid, how dare you call it spending. Wasting taxpayers money is called “investment”. Gordon told me so.

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    Dick Scratcher says:

    Video of a recent meeting between Shithead Malik & Peter Mandelson:

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    A bog standard Labour MP says:

    I’m so confused, one minute it’s class war, then hug the middle classes. The Labour party speaks with so many heads.

    First it’s no cuts, then it’s lots of cuts.

    Are we New or Old Labour?

    Fuck if I know.

    What am I to do?

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    Get with the program says:

    Gordon on the soapbox = I will save the jobs at Cadbury = Delusional & out of touch.
    Mandy helps Cadbury takeover = Small percent of £11,000,000,000 = my own yacht.

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    Anonymous says:

    For some reason All politicians think money is the solution to everything. So knocking down old but serviceable schools and replacing them with shiny modern stuff at great expense makes the politicians think they are improving education.

    This is just crazy you only have to travel around so called third world countries where the Schools are little more than a concrete base with a roof over the top, yet the children are immaculately dressed, polite and eager to learn from their excellent teachers. It is not money that counts it is the standard of education that counts.

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    Talwin says:

    Population of Greater Manchester = 2,482,328.

    1,300 = 0.052%. Fantastic. ID cards a raging success, then.

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    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    Your last sentence – as I read it I imagined a thin whiny voice coming over an AM radio, possibly from a bunker, declaring that the Fuhrer has a master plan, the Russians are not at the city’s gates………

    FFS Jimmy – he takes too much stick?

    The man has ruined the nation & made inter-generational debt a reality for the next 150 years – all for his personal vanity & delusion.

    Even Labour in the 1970s did not rob the yet unborn taxpayer – McMuppet has not only given them a huge debt at birth he has also nicked their pocket money before they are even born.

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    Sarah Tweet says:

    great to see David Tennant get the Best Drama Performance award at NTAs

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    Right Bastard says:

    The one-eyed Scotchman in trying to destroy England in an act of vindictive partisanship will bring the whole of the UK crashing down.

    The time has come to stop him in his tracks – forever.

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    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    Because DC & the Conservative Party are fully paid up members of the EU project.

    Blue Labour isn’t working.

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    Dr Who says:

    She’s ten times the man Brown is.
    And at least she’s harmless,
    Twitter , twitter…

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    Anonymous says:

    First person plural is the appropriate tense for royalty

  127. 127
    Hurdy Gurdy Man says:

    Peter will return to Brussels to grind his organ and make the dancing Conservatives spank their own monkey.

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    Anonymous says:

    “inward investment”

    I have suffered too much from inward investment. First sign of trouble and the business is taken back overseas. Ever seen a company strip a manufacturing plant before the DTI realises that their local grant money is being shipped abroad. It all went to Germany. What we need is our own investment. I have sat for 2 years now working alone on an idea for a business after failing to find any help in this country. So many companies come to the UK using government money. They promise long term employment but are just using UK money to try out a product or manufacturing idea. Once it is perfected, the real production plant is built far away.

    However, a local has no hope of seeing even the tiniest of help.

    Yes, I will still succeed, a few years delayed, but the plan now, only involves making enough money for myself.

    I promise you, the country will not make a penny, since it did not invest a penny. Two years now with zero income!

    So when you hear some one calling for “inward investment” you know they are just one of those types that are parasites on the back of change. The only real long term investment is home grown, something that both Snotty and Snooty, and especially Meddlesome, have absolutely no experience or understanding.

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    Airey Belvoir says:

    Confucius he say: “Man who go to bed with itchy bum, wake up with smelly finger.”

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    Mr Ned says:

    By science I meant real science, physics, chemistry, biology or one of their derivatives.

    Oh and I would scrap tuition fees, student loans, make the degrees hard again and create a point to going to uni. You would come graduate with a valuable degree, recognised internationally, and no debt.

    So what if only 2 out of 10 can get into university? Good, that is how it should be. I do not want the guy who is serving my fries to have a degree in theatre studies, but I do want my daughter to Graduate with a degree that is meaningful and can help her to make a good living, and without her being in 20K of debt.

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    Engineer says:

    I see that among Guido’s adverts on the right of the screen is one for a firm called Solace, who offer free confidential debt advice if you ring 0800 848 8004.

    Would one of the Labour trolls be kind enough to pass this number to Messrs. Brown, Balls and Darling? Fairly sharpish, please….

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    righty right wing (mrs) says:


    Sack 25% of public sector workers.

    Close the BBC.

    Tell Europe we are taking a 5 year payment holiday from subscriptions followed by an In or Out Referendum.

    Pull troops out of Iraq & Afghanistan.

    Close DFID.

    And then after lunch we could start on Parliament & the Lords.

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    Smash Labour says:

    I agree. climate change isn’t a science it’s a religion. But I’m talking about REAL science and engineering. The bloke who fixes your washing machine is NOT an engineer, the bloke who fixes a Boeing 747 is.

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    jgm2 says:

    Rick the Roman. It is now at the point where if I had kids of 18 – 25 I’d be advising them to marry an American, Canadian or Australian.

    Get the fuck out of here. It’s fucked.

    We are now at the situation recognised long ago by one billion Indians and PKSt*nis where your best qualification is not your degree certficicate it is your birth certificate and failing that your marriage certificate.

    Fuck 20K comedy degrees. Run for your lives. And your kids lives. And your grandkids lives. Get the fuck out. Leave this place to the dogs.

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    Watching Brown closely is like being at an autopsy says:

    Watching yesterday’s PMQ’s (was at a JOB interview yesterday – I am one of the 3M plus jobless).

    Watching Brown in the first few minutes (only got that far) – he is having real difficulty stringing sentences together.

    NSPCC becomes NSPC and then there is a curious part where he says;

    “will in my view” and then he has a kind of brain lapse and comes out with a few seconds of non-words before carrying on.

    I am this man’s greatest critic – but we are now at a stage where he is physically and mentally deteriorating visibly as each week passes.

    I have not yet seen the great “dam disaster” answer he gave but I have seen enough to know that he is not long for this world.

    And I do think Cameron is treading around Brown to ensure he is the PM going in to the election.

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    Unsworth says:

    So she was there, then? Fucking marvellous. What else does this fat deluded bint do with our money?

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    Gordon's favourite Butt Plug says:

    I think it is quite right to carry on spending like a profligate bastard. What is the worst that can happen if Brown keeps on spending any cashflow, and using up all our credit lines. This can surely go on forever. No-one is going to stop us, or we will just invade them. Remember we have 13 Helicopters on order.

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    NuAttack Dog says:

    actually a very sound idea

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    The Beast of Clerkenwell says:

    So you are one of those ex gays?
    Never understood it, , but well done for getting out of it.
    Poovery is a combination of emotional retardation and perversion, it also leads to paranoia and a desire for the poof to justify themselves to society in a very aggressive way
    Its called socialism or Liberalism
    The defence of the indefensible

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    Engineer says:

    The figure of those of working age but economically inactive is 8.05 million, if memory serves. Some of these will be quite legitimate, such as one of a married couple who chooses to stay at home and look after the family, but many are willing but unable to find work, and are held off the unemployment stats by all manner of wheezes.

    Add the young, pensioners, and those in (genuine) full-time education to that 8.05 million, plus the official unemployment total, and possibly half the population is economically inactive. Of the remainder, about 6 million are paid from the public purse, so maybe only about 25 million people are net contributers to the economy. Scary.

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    South of the M4 says:

    Bird born with no beak was born to succeed.

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    Concerned Voter says:

    I see and agree with what you say. A degree is not a waste,knowledge for the sake of knowledge and having a trained mind can only be advantageous….why not encourage graduates to go into business for themselves, try being self employed. It could begin by renting a stall in a local market, yes it’s s risk, maybe you might feel it’s beneath you( it’s not). There are opportnities to male money, you have to cut corners and take risks ( thanks to Lab the nation is weighed down by unneccessary regulation). Don’t tell the DSS just do it…….

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    Jock McJock says:

    He’s in the pay of the SNP!

  144. 144
    Labour Postal vote co-ordinator says:

    That’s nothing – we bought hundreds of seats for a few quid, a few taxi rides, some cheap lager and 20 fags

  145. 145
    Sarah says:

    He is my hero,
    when I’m not with my boyfriend,
    twitter, twitter

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    South of the M4 says:

    Same experience two-fold. First my kids have no interest in remaining in the UK and will take their qualifications, earnings and taxes somewhere else. Second, it is not just the 18-22 year olds. Redundant in my mid-fifties, after a successful career and never sick or skiving, the chances of even getting an interview are ziltch. Not claiming and not a statistic, but running out of savings…….

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    Twitterati says:

    He’s a knob
    Brigstocke was on Steve Wright yesterday, spoilt my afternoon

  148. 148
    Twitterati says:

    ‘We are the only Government…..’ when he meant we are the only party

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    Up sh1t creek says:

    Votes in Europe, don’t be silly.

    As for Obama, he’ll be singing the end line from the Bee Gees song Massachusetts, and just like in the song, over and over and over…. to fade :)

    “I will remember Massachusetts…”

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    Mr Ned says:

    Inward investment is better than no investment and we have no money to invest, so it has to come from somewhere. What you are bitching about is not inward investment, but the removal of that inward investment. Much of the inward investment that came here, rather than elsewhere, is now being lost because labour are inept and they have no clue how to run businesses. Therefore they have erased our competitive advantage through the over application of red-tape, political correctness and

    I agree that homegrown investment is more likely to stay here, but where the fuck is the money going to come from for the amount of investment that is required here?

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    anon,anon,anon.... says:

    The dam disaster answer was cretinous, but no mention in MSM.

    There will be a bigger dam busting in May.

    Have the local newspapers picked it up?

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    MrJones says:

    a) “I really don’t understand the 30% of the population who claim they are still going to vote Labour at the next election.”

    b) “It is no good Brown and Labour saying this is a “global” crisis and that “it started in America”

    a) is because of b) and as long as the BBC backs him up on it then they’re in with a (very) small chance at the next election and a substantially larger one at the next if they can offload some of the blame onto el Torees in the interim.

    Big lies work best in politics because most people only tell small ones and don’t expect it.

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    anon,anon,anon.... says:

    PS Good luck with the job.

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    Mr Ned says:


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    Up sh1t creek says:

    The Americans just bought it!

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    Mr Ned says:

    “Why isn’t Cameron saying things like this?”

    Because he is NOT a conservative!

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    Postal Vote says:

    178 / 52 = 3.42 billion pounds extra borrowed every week, not 2

    The financial irresponsibility act merely requires the government to reduce this to 1.71 billion extra deficit a week in 4 yera’s time

    Be scared!

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    Engineer says:

    Get your CV up to date. You’ll need it soon.

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    anon,anon,anon.... says:

    Anyone in No. 10 please bang a brown ( npi) behind him. That will finish him off.

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    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    The BBC did not mention it.

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    anon,anon,anon.... says:

    PPS, hope it was in the private sector

  162. 162

    OK Cut The deficit

    Pare the civil service to realistic proportions
    Cut those useless council staff that just surf the net Cap their pensions.
    Cut all those group responsible for montoring child welfare and do fuck all but blame each other. Make a single body responsible.
    Cut out the quango’s
    Cut the government consultants
    Dump the European Charter for Human rights
    windfall the banks until they have repaid all they owe the country with interest. (they wont leave en masse by the way. A few little hedgies and that might go to Switzerland but let em they are terminal boresd anyway so they will be happy there)
    Stop imigration for at least 3 years especially asylum seekers as they are actuially asylum spongers.
    Get all those wankers with minor ailments working in some capacity and stop paying them mollycoddle allowances.
    A new national lottery for £10 a ticket where the money goes directly into health and education.

    VOTE ME !!!!

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    anon,anon,anon.... says:

    oops ” paper bag”

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    Peter Handlesmen says:

    I’m not outflanking the Tories, I’m out-spinning them. Gordoom would never stop ‘investing’ taxpayers’ money.

    Wasting your hard earned savings – it’s in our D-N-A.

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    by the way what can anyone tell me about this New Party lot? Cant be bothered to read their manifesto until I get some proper comment here

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    The big D says:

    We need to find a way of getting the whole population to be able to tell the difference between deficit and debt. What these two words mean, the figures for each and what they mean for the country.

    Nobody seems to want to explain that reducing the deficit means things will still get worse, only a but more slowly.

    Public service television could be used to do the job. Oh, hang on. That will be the BBC wouldn’t it. Forget I said anything.

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    Engineer says:

    Indeed – and some of it could take months or years to come to light.

    I really do not envy George Osborne – the poor sod is on a hiding to nothing. Credit to him for not bottling out yet.

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    La' says:


    In fact, old traditional buildings often instill a respect for institution and a sense of history, something that a modern biscuit-tin built school does not have.

  169. 169
    Peter Handlesmen says:

    I must get some new reading glasses. I rang the number because I though it was offering Arsolace.

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    Sarah Tweet says:

    I do not travel to Kent, and do not see anyone there who can give me what I cannot get at home.

    tweet tweet

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    Johnny says says:

    Perhaps he was having a stroke at the despatch box…

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    Engineer says:

    And what has all this “spending” actually achieved?

    Several things. 1) A whacking great National Debt. 2) Lifetime financial comfort for many soon-to-be-ex MPs. 3) Fuck all else.

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    Giles Wembely- Hogg has gone off recently.

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    Max the Impaler says:

    Therein lies Catch 22.The political classes of all colours have systematiclly raped British Industry of home grown capital, begining in the 60s.Inheritance tax smashed the Rubery-Owen group.Capital gains tax and meddling rollover provisions smashed many others.Prices and Incomes policy weakened it further and finally forced declaration of dividends in pursuit of ‘make the pips squeak’ policy’ destroyed many private busineses.The political establishment of this country are the main cause of the dire straights in which we now find ourselves.The politicians of this country are a parasitic breed that have overwhelmed the host.

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    No, he always waits until he gets into the gents before having his stroke.

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    Infanta of Castile says:

    one at the poll booth but how many postal votes?

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    Watching Brown closely is like being at an autopsy says:

    Thanks for the best wishes for the job hunting.

    It is in the private sector – I could not take a job in the public sector – I have far too much common sense,energy and drive to take one of Brown’s non-jobs he has created – I would be sacked within hours for daring to suggest they work a little more harder and logically.

  181. 181

    > (3) Abolish half of all quangos

    Why half? We don’t need any of them. Why restrict George “Natalie Rowe’s favourite” Osborne like this?

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    Sir William Waad says:

    Man who go to bed with problem on mind wake up with solution in hand.

  183. 183

    […] Read this article: Forsyth Inching Tories Towards Reality – Guy Fawkes' blog […]

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    There’s plenty of tar sand in Canada. And we can build nuclear power stations (Australia has plenty of yellowcake). Since you need energy to process tar sands, just use nuclear power. If that makes the price of oil drop (it will) then the arabs will have an incentive to be a bit more civilised and sell us their oil.

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    Sarah says:

    Sorry, I made a mistake there.

    I meant to type ‘girl’ not ‘boy’.

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    Anonymous says:

    Home grown investment takes much less money. Yes, there is enough money.

    Just stop it going down the drain with the other Meddlesome policies.

    We do not need instant factories. We need growing businesses which self fund their own new business ideas. We need a critical mass of associated companies where the work force can rotate. Just having a one trick pony is not a way to run a country.

    Inward investment just produces isolated one trick companies that fail the day the overseas investor decides, leaving the work force unemployable in the area.

    What we have is a pile of share holder based, quick profit sell off companies. There is no incentive to take the long road. The idea that we could grow a 25 year brand in this country has long gone. (Brand, not product). A lot of small start-ups are needed, and for that we need a support system.

    If say, I was given a contract to test a product, or consult on a design, every 6 months that would give me the money to invest in my idea and progress it quicker. All I need is £3000 at present to buy a piece of hardware. But the EU funded local technology company ignores me, as they only spend their money on attracting overseas graduates to the area. As I said the whole system is set up to ignore the home grown ideas. Just look at what NASA etc. does for business start-up in the US. After my years working over there they certainly know how to fund ideas in imaginative ways.

    If you take only those graduates that are available from other countries you have by definition taken the second tier or worse. The few percent that can build new ideas from scratch are too busy in their own country making money.

    That is why we fail. Short term instant gratification and second rate inward investment.

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    simon r says:

    ‘What am I to do?’

    Take this piano wire and make your way to the nearest lamp post.

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    Animal says:

    “Man with head up own bottom cannot see way ahead”

    Sums up the idiot PM rather succinctly.

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    Max the Impaler says:

    Good idea ‘smash labour’.You’ve got my vote.

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    The Bottle Fed Triplet says:

    Oooh, I’d love to have one of those new DeLorean Cars! A classic case of a government department not knowing its crankshaft from its exhaust pipe.

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    Purpleline says:

    Cut back the NHS to basic service and rights.

    All other services should be paid for especially Drink and Drug related.

    Cut Doctors salieris by 25%
    Increase cleaners wages by 25%
    Increase Nurses by 5%
    Cut Managers and salaries by 30%

    The NHS budget should be 70bn a year not a penny more. this measure would save 40 billions.

    Then cut the welfare state if you have a safety net people will fall into it and become trapped. So no money for people able to work.

    Create jobs for them so people like Choudary has to clean Toilets if he does not erform the job he gets nowt from teh state.
    Charge a religious tax for non Cof E Churcs, Mosques, SIkh Temples, Hindu Temples Caholic Churches
    This is a neat way to raise funds and ring back the Cof E t the centre of our society.
    So if you wnat to be a Muslim, Catholic or Greek Orthadox you pay £200 per year.
    I think this would be good for immigration.

    In year one we could save 120 bn by smart Taxes and taking away some services that only affect the people that have taken so much out of our country.

    We must also stop McMental giving our money away, I understand the twat is pushing the charity record. FFS he is meant to be a Prime Minister not a Bono clone.

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    The Bottle Fed Triplet says:

    Well said!

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    Anonymous says:

    Have a close look at the BSF buildings, they are not palatial. They might look it to the casual observer, but they will not last. These are buildings that are meant to be full of kids daily!

    What is wrong is this government can not “maintain” anything. As in performing “maintenance”. You can get a new school, but you can not get a tile replaced on a existing school roof.

    Also do not look at the first schools built. Look instead at the ones being built now, when the budgets are overrun, and the money has disappeared into consultancy fees.

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    Hammond is a good chap, but he does tend to smirk.

    Why didn’t the Conservatives put Osborne on Newsnight?

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    christy says:

    To 113.
    Try reading a book about the Hydra.

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    Actually it is simple. When a politician hands money over to a school they want some publicity to put in their election leaflets. A politician being photographed next to a new teacher does not look as good as being photographed next to a room full of new computers, even though they cost about the same. So scale that up to a new school – the politican can say “I did this!” – it is just buying votes.

  197. 197
    ? says:

    Forsyth is the reason I stopped voting,
    I have not voted since 1992,
    Forsyth the main reason the conservatives started banning pistols in 1996,
    Evil little twat he is,
    sadly never met him,
    nearly did one night, he was lucky he got out of the way in time, or it wouldhave been sore knuckles for me.
    he should be in the labour or lib party.
    useless Hunt he is.

  198. 198
    V for Vendetta says:

    and no budgets set for govt depts yet….. is he hoping there is a cheque in the post,so we can continue as a going concern?

  199. 199
    Fabian of the Yard says:

    (3) Why only half the quangos? Why not all?

  200. 200
    Bonfire of the Quan.goes says:

    Same old, Same old.
    You can’t ‘trim the fat’ again, or get rid of the beaurocrats, yet again.
    Those are soundbites and everyone uses them in or out of government.
    So called ‘efficiency’ savings are pottering round the edges.

    Many tens of Billions are involved here and many services will get cut to pieces.

    Cuts of this magnitude are going to get noticed very quickly by the voters and no matter how many on the backbenches of the party cheer this, Cameron and his Ministers to be, who will have to govern, know precisely what they will mean in popularity terms with the public.

    Not forgetting that this is just the most palatable part of the equation for the Tory faithful.

    The tax rises that go hand in hand with the cuts Cameron and Osborne just won’t tell you about and will try to keep deathly silent over as they are going to drive some in the Conservative Party into complete boggle eyed rage when they get introduced.

  201. 201
    Father Abraham says:

    Smurf: blue on the outside, red on the inside.

  202. 202

    That’s nonsense, we all know what needs to be done: good honest cuts across the board with no silly ring fences around personal fiefdoms. Why are we subsidising foreigners? Get rid of the international handouts. Why are we subsidising unhealthy people? Make people pay for their own treatment. Why are we paying to keep thicko kids in school? If they don’t want to learn, kick ‘em out.

    It really is very simple. Cut the state, cut taxes. If the tories don’t know where to start then they clearly haven’t a clue, so find someone who does have a clue and vote for them instead.

  203. 203
    Gordon Drown says:

    Free university education for history PhD students, especially if their thesis is the history of the Scottish Labour Party, for from such clay are the greatest Prime Ministers made.

  204. 204
    Anonymous says:

    When a Tory MEP, who most people have never heard of, contradicts Tory policy the media can hardly contain their orgasm. When Mandelson and Darling put forward a cuts policy 180 degrees opposite of Brown and Balls you hear hardly a peep from them. Funny that.

  205. 205

    The ring fences just show a lack of understanding of economics.

    FFS the man has a degree in PPE, was he spending all his time in the P & P classes and skipping the E classes?

  206. 206
    HandsomeDavid says:

    They also received a £3,500 per year annual grant as undergraduates. What is that worth today?

  207. 207
    Purpleline says:

    Good Post.

    I have noticed the following practice in my area of the country becoming more and more prevalent.

    Young men and women are given a job, from the job centre, in the case of person I know, a small engineering company; they are then taken off the Dole register, starting work with the new company, who do not give them a contract before they start. After a week or 14 days they explain to the young person that the job is not working, they have problems due to the credit crunch and bank lending to them, lost orders etc and will have to let them go.

    While taking on another person that week?

    I have seen this personally with a family member and have heard it from six different people. The family member I spoke with it has happened to him twice now.

    When the young person goes back to the Job centre they are not put back on job seekers and are told they will have to wait for a 6-week period or take up a training course or back to college, so have to wait for the next starting date.

    Basic result is young people are getting second -class non-jobs that disappear after two weeks, they are eliminated from the official figures for 6 weeks maybe not bothering to return to it. They are made angry at the banks, a government designed policy to hide the fact that the government fucked up not the banks. Who incidentally have not cost the country, anything like the money they keep mentioning in the press, remember the insurance policy is just that it is insurance and not yet been called on, but the premiums roll in.

    This is designed to keep youth unemployment numbers down.

  208. 208
    Under a flower pot at the bottom of the garden until that c'nt brown calls the General Election says:

    Trouble is that a lot of these have not been paid for as they are povided under PFI – another elephant in the room.

  209. 209
  210. 210
    Under a flower pot at the bottom of the garden until that c'nt brown calls the General Election says:

    And some halal goat.

  211. 211
    Under a flower pot at the bottom of the garden until that c'nt brown calls the General Election says:

    Speaking of advertising, the LieBour party via the government are currently funding a considerable portion of ITV and the sat. channels with propoganda adverts.

    It is no coincidence that when an election is in the offing, state advertising explodes.

  212. 212
    Katie says:

    I know a lot of professionals — myself included — who just don’t ever end up on the stats. We get made redundant and we end up running the house on one salary or out of savings or whatever until someone gets a job. Friend was out of work for more than a year. Only once he’d run down his savings did he consider going near the dole office, and before he’d finished the paperwork he picked up a contract gig and so still didn’t show up.

    The inland revenue’s stats on how many people are in full-time jobs (and how that number is falling) would be far more useful than these ridiculous made-up “unemployment” figures.

  213. 213
    Brown's Buggered Britain says:

    I get the impression that Mandleson has given up on Brown and is fighting the next but one election.

  214. 214
    Play it both ways Mandelscum says:

    And he will probably wind up as a partner in a hedge fund shorting the shit out of Sterling and Gilts…the collapse of which he caused…

    Betting on which hedge fund it will be ?

    Lord Levy’s ?

  215. 215
    MI5 says:

    Do you really think the Cameroons are scared of Gordon’s smear machine ?

    After McBride ?

    If they are, they are not fit for Goverment…

  216. 216
    Koba says:

    Your’e too cautious

  217. 217
    MI5 says:


    and cut off all funds to Scotland to pay for the Jock’s mess…

    And to the other Zanu Labour tribal areas…

    Let them paddle their own canoes (they know more about canoes that I do …)

  218. 218
    Gobshite says:

    Not just Gordon though. To be fair, he is something of a fuckwit. Blair and Mandelson are much more calculating.

    Northern Crock and RBS are all on Brown’s head though. The weak, one-eyed moron should have let both of them crash and burn. And now RBS (actually you and me now) are funding the Kraft takeover of Cadbury’s!

    Blair should shoulder much of the blame, as well as all the other bastard socialists. Especially Mandelson.

    It is obscene that Blair is raking in loads of money now. During the Labour years, our economy was driven mostly by crazy public spending. The money we now have to find was used to buy the last two elections.

  219. 219
    MI5 says:


    Fighting to establish his credentials for the hedge fund managers and oligarch’s who are going to feather his bed…and pay for his yacht…He does(t go to Corfu to stay with the Rothschilds each summer for nothing …!!

  220. 220
    Gobshite says:

    Big business just plays one country off against the other.

    If you really want to sort out the economy, don’t let them sell their stuff in the UK unless some of the production is done here. Give bigger tax breaks depending on how much of the manufacturing is relocated.

    Don’t have to do it with everyone, but make it worthwhile for those firms that can employ lots of workers, and sell a serious amount of stuff. If everyone wins, it will work.

    The car industry is the obvious one. It is shocking how many cars now are not made here.

    We have one of the most lucrative markets in the world.

    So long as we are fair on taxes, the extra employment will more than cover whatever bullshit taxes we subject them too now.

    Of course, we would have to tell the EU to sod off.

    I’d even go so far as put in some very low tax manufacturing zones in deprived areas, like they have in China.

  221. 221
    Gobshite says:

    I doubt these new schools will last the 100 years plus that Victorian buildings have.

  222. 222
    The Immaculate Complexion says:

    Spot On!

  223. 223
    The Immaculate Complexion says:

    Hutton is and always has been a right plonker

  224. 224
    The Immaculate Complexion says:

    Cast Iron is fully on board the EUSSR gravy train.

    Anyone expecting Dave to promote democracy is sadly deluded.

  225. 225
    Brown's Buggered Britain says:

    That’s possible – but I get the impression he’d rather fancy being PM himself.

  226. 226
    The Immaculate Complexion says:


    A bargain at any price (the taxpayer is dumb enough to pay)

  227. 227
    Brown's Buggered Britain says:

    I could never understand why mandleson jumped Brussells ‘gavy-train’ to bail out the Brown sinking ship – he was obviously up to something!

    So, at great personal sacrifice, he loyally gives his all to try and save Brown, but sadly fails. Come the leadership election, untainted by illegal wars or fiscal blunders, who could be more worthy of the post?

  228. 228
    No to 6 quid! says:

    Thats the way I see it….just an April shower and the roof will collapse.

  229. 229
    Ἀριστοτέλης says:

    How did the Cadbury advert go ?

    ” For Mash get Smash ! ”

    Crazy laughing tin aliens – remind you of anything :-)

  230. 230
    Jan says:

    Sorry 76 but an economics degree is NOT a skill. It’s only a stepping stone,like a degree in english or history. An engineering or science degree gives you a skill worth having,but a degree in economics ………no chance.

  231. 231
    Dick Scratcher says:

    Agreed – it’s the same in all large organisations – large capex budgets & small opex – ironic, as the tax system promotes opex (fully deductible) rather than capex (depreciated) …penny wise, pound foolish.

  232. 232
    Jack Straw - Son of a coward, father of a drug dealer, Judas to Tony Blair says:

    Won’t it be MUCH more cruel to every citizen of the UK if our government doesn’t make those required public sector cuts ?

    Sterling’s demise, double digit inflation, recession and joblessness whilst the retired are ruined (ie. “disproportionally affected” in terms of Brownism )… now is THAT the caring, sharing Socialist plan ?

    Cut the public sector deeply and use any spare funding available to regrow our economy for the benefit of ALL it’s people.

    Perhaps each MP ought to attend a basic Economics class prior to taking up their seat in our parliament, no ?

  233. 233
    Jack Straw - Son of a coward, father of a drug dealer, Judas to Tony Blair says:

    He was “up to” shoring up Brown against a NuLabour rebellion to deny the UK the opportunity of referendum before ratification, and also to allow Tony Blair a shot at the Presidency.

    It certainly wasn’t for the love of Brown, was it ?

    His main objective has been achieved.

    Come in, Agent Mandleson, your mission accomplished.

  234. 234
    Jack Straw - Son of a coward, father of a drug dealer, Judas to Tony Blair says:

    He gave up on Brown 15 years ago.
    Pity (for us all) that the NuLab clueless mob didn’t share his insight.
    For that we must all suffer and never forget what they did to us all for their own selfish reasons.
    Oh, unless the vast majority of NuLab MPs have absolutely no sense of judgement.
    Either way – except for a few were dissenters, they share the blame.
    I’ve met my my local NuLab MP (a Brownite) at a surgery and told them exactly that.

  235. 235
    Jack Straw - Son of a coward, father of a drug dealer, Judas to Tony Blair says:

    If I recall correctly …

    If UK simply disbanded all the staff employed in benefits payments, support etc, then simply gave every claiment a sum equal to the average UK wage, the taxpayer would save many £ billions.

    Welcome to Brown’s Socialist UK Circus.

  236. 236
    Jack Straw - Son of a coward, father of a drug dealer, Judas to Tony Blair says:

    Fat Ankled Cow.
    Playing the Haiti card too.
    This “whiff of lavender” ought give lessons to Bono and Wide Mouthed Frog Mrs Blair in the art of charity hypocrisy.
    Oh, and did I mention she’s a Fat Ankled Cow ?

  237. 237
    Anonymous says:

    Im one.
    As is my wife.
    For over a decade previously I was a 40% taxpayer which allowed me to save for my old age as I contributed to th country’s coffers which allowed Brown & Co to squander it on my behalf.
    Now “Unemployed” but still have savings above £16k so I’m a hidden number as do not qualify for JSA, benefits etc.
    Started a college course today – I’ll receive £89/week bursery if lucky.
    Many on the course in the same boat.

  238. 238
    Anonymous says:

    Wow – someone else who thinks along these lines.
    Kudos !
    Cuts NOW.

  239. 239
    Apagusta says:

    peerage…self interest…. reins of power… 3 basics just for starters

  240. 240
    Apagusta says:

    don’t you think our Great Leader has enough work to do getting on with his job (packing his beanos away ready for the move) without having to give night school lessons to his MPs.

  241. 241
    MingeMunchersRus says:

    He hasn’t got the balls to do the job..you should have said ‘he rather fancies the PM himself’ and he definitely fancied a peerage…oli’s like a bit of Lord this and Lady that..he could take either title.

  242. 242
    Witless says:

    they both deserve the post..being tied to it and burnt preferably

  243. 243
    Sting's Beard says:

    That many!!

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