January 18th, 2010

Understanding Tory Finking on Tax

Guido really likes Danny Finkelstein, he is amusing company, always courteous and a little spiky – in a good way.  He is nevertheless the poster boy for all that is wrong with Tory policy ambitions on tax and spending.

Whenever Tim Montgomerie, Fraser Nelson or Guido have had a go at him he responds in kind.  Invariably we have failed to understand the subtlety of his argument, overlooked some caveat or research data.  Danny usually says he agrees with our end objectives, just not our timing.  Fink insists that he is by preference a tax cutter, yet he never seems to advocate tax cuts within a time-frame.

So a few questions for Danny:

  1. This question is about the politics of tax cutting – if, as you argue, voters don’t believe specifics about tax and spend, does precision matter less than conveying a sense of direction?
  2. Do you actually believe that, all things being equal, lower tax economies are higher growth economies?
  3. You say “I believe strongly in lower tax. But I want proper tax-cutting, based on real reform of the scope and operation of the state.” Presumably you want a smaller state.  What then is your broad aspiration for the size of the state expressed as a proportion of nominal GDP?  How many years do you think it might take a Conservative government(s) to get us from where we are now, to where you want to be?

Guido thinks it is important to understand Danny’s political aspirations and what his underlying thinking  is because he is the Cameroon who most publicly makes the case against committing to tax cuts.  He gives cover to a somewhat sheepish Tory Treasury team afraid to make the case for growth.

Like a shell-shocked First World War veteran Danny is suffering post-traumatic stress from years in opposition sat in the CRD trench with George Osborne.  This is 2010, not 2001 Danny, this time the enemy will be defeated.  It is possible to not just advance mere inches towards dividing lines as a result of endless tactical re-positioning, but to drive out your enemy from the territory, establishing and holding a new ideological frontline.  The poverty of Tory ambition is palpable, it is not enough to defeat the enemy, capturing their ground only to continue governing in much the the same way.  Guido suspects Fraser Nelson’s upcoming Keith Joseph Memorial Lecture* will call not just for the capture of the enemy’s dividing lines, put to push the enemy back to Kirkcaldy once and for all.

*February 3, Centre for Policy Studies, Fraser Nelson “Winning is not Enough”.


299 Comments

  1. 1
    Praguetory says:

    Is Danny always wrong?

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    • 12
      Dick the Prick says:

      Not always – just a bit of a girl’s blouse

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        thick as thieves says:

        “Guido really likes Danny Finkelstein, he is amusing company, always courteous and a little spiky – in a good way.”
        yes, yes Guido, but the problem is he’s got no balls.
        ditto cameron ditto osborne.
        margaret thatcher had a bigger pair of nuts than all these lightweights put together.
        innit.

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        • 73
          Gordon's favourite Butt Plug says:

          For once Thicky you are right on that sentiment. However even the Iron Lady became totally delusional and out of touch. That is the problem in Government, when leaders are always surrounded by Yes Men, and security.
          Heseltine would have been much better than Major at the time, on ability, presence and acumen. But he had blown himself up too many times. because he was very independently wealthy. He therefore could.

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        • 76
          Hold your head up and be proud. says:

          Why do you always end your posts with “innit”?

          Have the confidence to post your thoughts without having to show your lack of confidence – a lot of what you say makes sense,so just say it,mate.

          This is the effect Brown’s Labour party have had on the country – everyone scared of simply stating the obvious and common sense view, without fear of being accused of being Anti everything.

          Brown is just a few months away from electoral death – he will be no more,finished,in tiny pieces,wahsed up,down in the sewer.

          I now predict the reply;

          “Bloody cripple,spastic etc etc.”

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        • 82
          Mr Ned says:

          He is wrong most of the time. He is a fuckwited little tosser. .

          O/T but in testimony to the Iraq inquiry Powell stated that the Government went to war on an ASSUMPTION that Saddam had WMD.

          They said that Saddam had not accounted for tonnes of BLA (Bulk Liquid Anthrax) and so it was assumed that he retained it.

          That is just so much, unadulterated BULLSHIT I am, for once, not sure where to start.

          From the sure knowledge that the BLA from known stocks would be rendered inert by the passage of time as it “goes off”, to the knowlege that the “unaccounted for” nature of those stocks stemmed from the mid 1990’s thought exercise whereby the UN decided to calculate the theoretical maximum possible output capacity of the Iraqi labs and munitions factories, and deduct the known and destroyed stocks from this theoretical figure. The remaining theoretical stocks never existed, which is why they were unaccounted for.

          To suggest that the Government had no knowledge of either of these facts is utter bullshit.

          The mainstream media were also complicit in keeping these facts covered up. I was writing to the media, to all the political commentators and to all the news anchors imploring them to ask ANY Government minister what the shelf life of BLA was, to justify the invasion. It was never ever asked.

          Why? Well, once the PM or any Minister publicly had to admit that the “unnacounted for” stocks could never, ever have been a threat after 1997, that would have destroyed any and all legal justification for the invasion.

          Iraq had NO WMD and the Government KNEW IT FOR A FACT!

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          • Mr Ned says:

            “He is wrong most of the time. He is a fuckwited little tosser.”

            That commen is aimed at Danny Finkelstein, not any of the other fuckwitted little tossers who may post on this site :)

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          • Moley says:

            Saddam Hussein was required to reveal or to publicly destroy weapons that he didn’t have and never had, in order to avoid invasion.

            Compliance was an impossibility, as Blair and Bush knew perfectly well.

            Saddam Hussein had no way out. The Iraqui people had no way out.

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          • Mr Ned says:

            Saddam Hussien did comply, if you cast your mind back, he handed over a full record of his weapon inventory to the US, who then handed a much smaller sub-set of that record to the Security council, redacting all their own deals. Thus the USA was in breach of UN 1441 as it was the USA that prevented a full and frank declaration.

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        • 96
          Barking is not in Dorset says:

          Hey TAT, I cannot find your blog.

          Please post a link.

          Many thanks in advance.

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          • concrete pump says:

            What level is your ‘death knight’ Thieves?

            Hehehehehe.

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          • Barking is not in Dorset says:

            thick as thieves says:
            January 18, 2010 at 7:05 pm
            need to know basis only.
            you are banned and therefore you do not need to know.
            next.

            How very sad you are.

            Daily you are humiliated here – & yet have the arrogance of a true winner.

            I was genuinely asking for your blog address – I guess you are all talk, eh TAT?

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          • Tats a sausage muncher says:

            I see guido is removing posts again. What’s up diddums, the ad men getting squeaky bums were they?

            You fucking bankers. All the fucking same. Even failed ones, pretending to be free speech political bloggers. The dollar is your master. Arsehole.

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        • 185
          Grumpy Old Man says:

          And she had her very own Willy.

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        • 187

          lets hope he does for the Tories what he did for the SDP

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    • 215

      “Is Danny always wrong?”

      When it comes to tax – yes.

      cast-iron Dave has surrounded himself with this coterie of tax wimps. They just won’t do what is right (slash taxes) because they think that the cost to pay for it (slash spending) is too much. They are really shit scared that announcing public spending cuts now will lose them the election. That is why cast-iron made his silly ring-fence pledge. Everyone knows that he has to cut the NHS, but “shhh, don’t frighten the horses”.

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      • 244
        Moley says:

        The electorate are far more likely to condemn and ditch DC for broken promises than they are for frankness about tax and spending cuts.

        After Lisbon, one more broken promise is likely to be his last.

        Labour will spin and distort everything that is said anyway, but becoming to frightened to say anything is a sure fire loser.

        Disarm Labour by anticipating their response with any announcement. We could all write the script of a Labour response ourselves anyway; there is plenty of scope for savage humour.

        We all know Brown and Balls are shameless liars, and those that regard them as truthful and upright citizens have all been hospitalised in a secure institution a long time ago.

        There is nothing to lose by honesty and truthfulness on the part of the Tories.

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  2. 2
    Blue Peter tip of the day says:

    Its about time the gloves were taken off and bloody Nu Lab’s nose.

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      Sick and tired of this shit says:

      Not just a bloody nose – complete, utter and final destruction of Labour is necessary.
      After that the client state – ie the overbloated state sector and the vast majority of benefit whores need to be cut and cut hard. It needs to be made clear that living as a leech on the rest of us in any shape is no longer acceptable or possible. Punishment for the kleptocracy needs to be imposed.

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      • 51
        Blue Peter tip of the day says:

        I hate benefit whore glass backed scum, breeding like f*cking rabbits at the age 14 and a nice shinny council house for their 16th birthday whilst the rest of through stealth taxes and plundered pension funds pay for it.

        Next week on Blue Peter we discus all the new civil service jobs Nu Lab has created eg Community Support Officers and what is the point in them if they have no power at 18k a year about the same pay as a grunt on the front line in Afghanistan?

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      • 286
        TaT's 'special' Gay Friend says:

        The Labour Government says that we are in Recovery. Problem is that they have already planned the Relapse

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    • 87
      Lady Astor's son-in-law says:

      Savage cuts?

      Yes, please!

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    • 137
      City of Vice says:

      Gloves off? Nah. It’s time to fix bayonets.

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    • 261

      Gently gently catchy monkey.

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  3. 3
    Govt. INC says:

    The tory treasury team isnt just being tentative or sheepish – the Conservatives have no designs to upset the status quo established bu NuLabour.
    The endless political positioning will continue unabated up to and beyind the election. Political ideologies or real policy differences do not exist in this 3 party political landscape beyond the manufactured shots at Mr & Mrs Swing Voter engineered in thinktanks and policy groups which are either ephemerally backed or non-offensive beyond scrutiny.

    Cameron=Blair.

    Don’t buy the hype they’re selling. In four years people will (well, maybe..) actually get this into their skulls.

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    • 28
      Gooey Blob says:

      The present Labour regime is different to the other parties. The once-honourable party has inflicted a great deal of damage to this country, and we owe it to ourselves to replace them with people who will at least stop making the problems worse, as Balls, Brown and Harman are doing.

      This “all 3 parties are the same” claptrap is just desperation on the part of a discredited government who will try anything to discourage their opponents from voting if it means they get another 5 years in power.

      There is a simple answer to this: find out who is in the best place to beat Labour in your constituency, and vote for them.

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      • 36
        thick as thieves says:

        why vote tory when the tories have no ouevos?

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      • 61
        Habeus Corpus says:

        so goey, tell me: what do the conservative party stand for? And what have they pledged to do differently to labour- to correct labour’s mistakes? To significantly roll back tax increases?

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        • 65
          Habeus Corpus says:

          ..and i dont thisnk it is the govt. that are spreading ‘all parties are the same’ message. All 3 parties claim desperately to offer unique visions for this countries future.

          Look at voter tournout. Talk to the poeple around you in streets and pubs and the workplace. This is an increasing fraction of the population are realising.

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        • 100
          Father Abraham says:

          They stand for NOT being the Labour party that has raped our lives for thirteen long years. Is that not enough?

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          • TaT's 'special' Gay Friend says:

            So why is it that no GP round here will ever let you into their surgeries again?

            Don’t you think that trying to have sex with all the Tropical Fish in that Tank was a bit inappropriate? Well at least you enjoyed that bubble oxygen aerator, before all those Police arrived. That Junior School party never bargained for that did they?

            A bit of reality education, and that water in the Tropical Fish tank must have been VERY cold! Eh?

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          • Habeus Corpus says:

            no father, not being Labour is NOT enough. That cannot be the standard we accept.

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          • “They stand for NOT being the Labour party”

            Yup that is Dave’s line “Vote for President Cameron because he’s not Gordon Brown”

            “Is that not enough?”

            No, didn’t you read what Guido wrote? The point is that the only way out of this mess is tax cuts and public spending cuts. “Vote for me because I am not him” will only last so long before people think “sure you’re not him, but you’ve still got the same policies”. Then we will all be in deep shite.

            Cameron needs a good talking to, know what I mean? And told to do the right thing.

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          • TaT's 'special' Gay Friend says:

            That School Party were going to France. The teacher is now off on the sick with PTSD.

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      • 107
        Mr Ned says:

        Why the fuck should I vote for higher taxes? more political correct racism and sexism aimed squarely against white males? More green taxes? more “tackle climate change” bullshit, more foreign wars for a foreign power, more powers given away to the EU? more immigrants from within the EU, more Bureaucracy from the EU, more pen pushers, more quangos, more of new labour’s third way, but from the Conservative party?

        I see no significant change from the tories. IF I want real conservative policies, WHY should I vote for the conservative party, (who are NOT promising conservative policies), instead of a party that really promises no-compromise conservative policies.

        It is the policies, NOT the personalities that matters.

        The best, most competent, diligent, capable, decent, honest, brilliant people implementing the wrong policies is far worse than complete fuckwits attempts at implementing the the right policies. At least they will be sort-of dragging the country in the right direction.

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      • 111
        Anonymous says:

        Gooey Blob spot on these Lab Trolls purpose is either a) reduce voters turnout ,which aids Lab or b) paint the Tories as the same as Labour hence allow Lab back in through the back using voter disillusionment.Silly,silly Trolls…

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      • 112
        AC1 says:

        Gooeee Blob,
        Lord Tebbit Says

        http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/normantebbit/100022421/beware-of-opinion-polls-millions-of-people-cant-find-a-party-they-want-to-vote-for/

        If Lord Fecking Tebbit (Conservative) says there’s a problem then perhaps there is?

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    • 94
      Mr Ned says:

      “Don’t buy the hype they’re selling. In four years people will (well, maybe..) actually get this into their skulls.”

      It will take a lot less than four years for those who have a neuron firing. Only the completely braindead would consider Cameron’s conservatives to be even remotely interested in the welfare of the British electorate.

      They only things labour and tory want from the vast majority of the population is our votes and our money. They don’t want to give us anything in return.

      To quote the late, great, George Carlin, “They don’t give a fuck about you, they don’t give a fuck about you. Its one big club and you ain’t in it”

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      • 103
        Anonymous says:

        Mr Ned you are again talking shite.If you have all the answers lets not waste anymore time and hear them.

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        • 115
          Mr Ned says:

          I have written them down loads of times, starting with getting us OUT of the EU.

          Until we are out of that dictatorship, we cannot reduce immigration, cut green taxes, free-up businesses and unleash the entrepreneurs to build the businesses that will earn this country foreign investment and grow our way out of recession.

          We need to slash red-tape, political correctness, slash the surveillance state and respect the freedom of the law abiding man and woman.

          We need to treat children like children and adults like adults.

          We need to educate our children and stop the political indoctrination.

          We need to invest in our defence of our nation. NOT in invading other people’s countries to provoke more terrorism

          We need to re-emphasise, the legal structures of THIS nation. Innocence until Proven guilty by a jury of their peers. Strong law and order. Prisons should be incredibly harsh, providing food, water and shelter. Punishment needs to be harsh, if you don’t want to be punished, don’t do the crime.

          Transport should be integrated, stop adding traffic lights to every junction and then creating longer and longer intervals between green lights, thus increasing congestion. Stop creating more and more longer one-way systems. Create policies that free up journeys and not add artificial congestion.

          On taxes, a flat rate.

          On democracy, Swiss style referenda returning the running of the country to the people, instead of a foreign elite who do not give a fuck about me, you are anyone else who will be voting in the General Election.

          That is just a tiny start.

          Needless to say, most of the things we need to do cannot be done by remaining inside the EU.

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          • Open House says:

            Both Tories and Labour are panicking that the polls don’t show that lots of electors hide their true voting intentions. The mould is cracking.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Mr Ned have a little patience Rome was not built in a day.Most of whats on your list will be done by Dave and Co ( except maybe flat tax ,traffic lights)As for the EU most of us are very sceptical but realise now is not the time to rock the boat.If the EU obvioulsly starts making demands to which no Tory party would ever agree to then I have little doubt it will not be tolerated.But things closer to home need sorting first ie economy ,society,education,law and order,energy security etc etc.I think most would agree these issues are more demanding at the moment and will definately take a whole Parliament to get a grip on.

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          • Anon,

            “Most of whats on your list will be done by Dave and Co”

            What evidence do yuo have for that? Have a read of their policy documents on http://www.conservatives.com/Policy.aspx and telll us any policy that agrees with what Mr Ned said? Not one. So are you suggesting that cast-iron will lie to the British public to get elected and then break his manifesto promises when he gets into power (yes, I know he has a habit of doing that)?

            The point is that cast-iron will have his hands tied, just like Brown and Blair before him by the fact that we are ruled by the EU. The fact that Brown, Clegg and Cameron will have more or less the same manifesto is because that is what’s being dictated to them by the EU. Wake up!

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          • Max the Impaler says:

            Spot on.Agree with every word.

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  4. 4
    Ethnically English says:

    The most important issue for the country is immigration, it affects and contorts every other issue, defence, crime, security, education, the nhs etc etc.

    It will curtail any tax cuts.

    Watching Straight Talk with Andrew Neil the other night, his interviewee – betty Boothroyd – hardly a little Englander, all the people in the country are talking about immigration she opined, its the no.1 issue and no one will touch it, this Island cannot sustain 70 million people….

    Political cowardice in the extreme.

    Tell us how many you will be sending back Mr.Cameron, not how many more you will be letting in.

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    • 16
      Jock McJock says:

      You can make a start by voting for Scotland, Wales and Ireland to be separate.

      With 90% of the population Ethnically English, its within your gift to send us Celts home.

      Stop the winge and wimper and get on with it.

      No wonder you lot get f*cked all the time. Your always sitting on your arses waiting for someone else.

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        Ethnically English says:

        Err, whens that referendum happening then fuckwit? Jocks are running England at the minute, if they allowed a vote on English independence I have no doubt it would be passed.

        Their political aim is to destroy England and the English.

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        • 161
          Dave=Gordon=Dave says:

          And, let’s face it, destroying England is the one and only thing that Brown’s been good at. Funny, no? Unless, that was his intention.

          With England wrecked, he can return to Bonnie Scotland as the greatest Scot who ever lived! The Scot who destroyed the Sassenachs! Aye, Laddie, that he will.

          And the opposition? Ah, yes, Cameron. A very English name. Dave “Dave “Family from Inverness” Cameron. Dave “I’ll match Gordon’s spending Plans and obliterate England” Cameron. Dave “I’ll go back on my EU referendum Promise because I’m lying filth” Cameron.

          Dave “I’ll destroy England, too” Cameron.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Hope Lab HQ honours your wages.

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          • I am Sick says:

            “Hope Lab HQ honours your wages.”

            Your problem is, most of us here are potential tory voters, NOT social fascist / “third way” ZaNuLabour scum. From where we are standing, CMD offers nothing but more of the same. End of story.

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  5. 5
    50% Off says:

    Cut the state down to 20% of GDP. Follow the link which takes you to a blog which correctly predicted the 5% fall in GDP this year at the start of the year.

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  6. 6
    Nigel S says:

    Advance this way perhaps?

    Bhanubhakta Gurung, VC

    Without waiting for any orders, Bhanubhakta dashed forward alone and attacked the first enemy foxhole. Throwing two grenades, which killed the two occupants of the trench, he immediately rushed on to the next enemy foxhole and killed the two Japanese in it with his bayonet. All this time he was under continuous light-machine-gun fire from a bunker on the north tip of the
    objective, and two further fox-holes were still bringing fire to bear upon the section. Bhanubhakta dashed forward and cleared these trenches with bayonet and grenades. He then turned his attention to the machine-gun bunker, and realising, as the citation put it, that it “would hold up not only his own platoon which was not behind him, but also another platoon which was advancing from the west”, he pushed forward a fifth time to knock out the position. “He ran forward and leapt on to the roof of the bunker from where, his hand grenades being finished, he flung two No 72 smoke grenades into the bunker’s slit.” Two Japanese rushed out of the bunker, partially blinded by the smoke and with their clothes aflame with phosphorous; Bhanubhakta promptly killed them both with his kukri. One Japanese soldier remained inside, holding up 4 Platoon’s advance with the machine gun. Bhanubhakta crawled in and, prevented by the cramped space from using his bayonet or kukri, beat the gunner’s brains out with a rock.

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      VC - courage that Brown can only fantasise about says:

      Can anyone please give Bhanubhakta Gurung, VC, directions to the Cabinet Meeting Room,Downing St.

      A bar to his VC awaits.

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      • 67
        Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw says:

        “If a man says he is not afraid of dying, he is either lying or he is a Gurkha”

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    • 55
      Old Nick Heavenly(real dimwit) says:

      Balls of steel!

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      • 84
        Nigel S says:

        Yes, this how it started.

        “While thus pinned down, the section also came under accurate fire from a sniper in a tree some 75 yards to the south. As this sniper was inflicting casualties on the section, Rifleman Bhanbhagta Gurung stood up and, while fully exposed to heavy fire, calmly killed the enemy sniper with his rifle, thus saving his section from suffering further casualties.” Bhanubhakta then began to run for the top of the hill, yelling for his comrades to follow him. Though the casualties were heavy, the section ploughed forward until within 20 yards of their objective, when the Gurkhas were again halted by exceptionally heavy fire.

        This is the best bit

        His company commander described him as “a smiling, hard-swearing and indomitable soldier who in a battalion of brave men was one of the bravest”.

        “One of the bravest”

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    • 85
      A Pensioner says:

      Respect

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      • 131
        TaT's 'special' Gay Friend says:

        So why did Labour make such a fuss about Gurkhas settling in this country, when they held out such wide open arms and a wide open cheque book for all the detritus in the World?

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        • 140
          Brown - not long now says:

          Because Brown and his thugs are the ultimate – scum communists who need executing.

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        • 200
          Grumpy Old Man says:

          Because the Ghurkas swore allegiance to the Crown without crossing their fingers behind their backs, and wish to settle here because the murdering “Shining Path” maoist socialists are in contol in Nepal. SUPPORT THE GHURKAS – VOTE LABOUR OUT.

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          • rick says:

            Encourage Gurkhas to settle in England and join the Police force. No special training would be necessary. The kukri would be a compulsory part of their uniform.

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          • Jai Mahakali, Ayo Gorkhal! says:

            I believe Rick makes a very sound point. But they’d need to be kept apart from this current shower of shit currently describing itself as a police force(s) in this godforsaken country. My extremely limited experience, and I really do mean limited (4 week joint training, that’s it) of the Gurkhas gave me the impression of sincere and humble men, who were extremely proficient at their respective jobs. Certainly not my experience of most coppers these days. Sadly.

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          • I am Sick says:

            The Ghurkas would first have to eliminate ACPO and its politically correct BS.

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  7. 7
    TheCourtOfPublicOpinion says:

    Liebour has always been the party of incompetence and the tories the party of corruption. New liebour brought us incompetence and corruption, whereas with the new tories it’s the other way round.

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  8. 8
    Lola says:

    To paraphrase Guido, Danny, don’t think trench warfare, guddling about in the mud at your foe’s behest. Think blitzkreig. Go round the outside of your foe with a clear objective, as much as to completely destabilise his command and control as to achieve a fixed point in the distance. Don’t whatever you do allow yourslef to get bogged down on ground of your foe’s choosing. This latter is what Cameron appears to be doing. Heir to Blair? My arse.

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    • 46
      Joan Ruddock says:

      >Think blitzkreig.

      Think nukes, that’s what I say.

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    • 168
      We can't go on like this says:

      To outflank your foe implies a strategy. That implies an intellect.

      Intellect and “Dave Cameron”. Hmm. My Oxymoron Alarm is ringing. Isn’t yours?

      Still, behind his dull dead eyes lies a dim motivation to utter the hallowed words, “we can’t go on like this”. And then his dull expressionless socialist face dims once again, waiting, waiting for the chance to utter those words again. Like a zombie in a George Romero film, moaning, “brains!!”

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  9. 9
    Irene says:

    I think they are pulling their punches until they get into office IMO

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      Gordon's favourite Butt Plug says:

      That was the strategy of the National Party in NZ, and will continue until they have a second term won convincingly. Takes time to de-programme the Reef Fish.

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      • 71
        Carry On Don't Lose Your Head (1967) says:

        If that’s the strategy, the risk is the Tories will fail to secure a second term and the opportunity to roll back the state will been lost. Admittedly, Labour rising from the dead is unlikely, but is it worth the considering the possibility.

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        • 75
          Carry On Don't Lose Your Head (1967) says:

          ‘…it is worth…’, I mean.

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          • I am Sick says:

            “Admittedly, Labour rising from the dead is unlikely, but is it worth the considering the possibility.”

            The Labour party, if Dave had any balls, would be either in prison or a banned criminal organisation, like the Mafia and thus any chance of return, nil.

            Dismal Dave will do nothing to the Labour traitors, criminals and warmongers, one has to ask, very seriously, why not?

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      • 290
        I am Sick says:

        “That was the strategy of the National Party in NZ, and will continue until they have a second term won convincingly. Takes time to de-programme the Reef Fish.”

        NZ is in even worse shape than the UK and yet the NP is holding back? There was me thinking it was just Dave that was shite.

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    Tapestry says:

    The way to defeat Brown is to give him plenty of rope.

    There is no need to jump the gun and advance on the enemy before the election, and engage with issues. The BBC are having kittens as it is, unable to stomach Tories in the ascendant. Don’t hand them anything concrete to hit back with.

    Send the troops back to barracks. Fraser is wrong. Winning in enough. It is all.

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      thick as thieves says:

      that is the kind of talk that will lead to a hung parliament.
      the public do not like their politicians to fanny about.
      dave and gideon are a pair of wets. they are like wet fucking lettuce FFS, spineless.
      useless. just fucking useless.
      such weakness will not be tolerated by the electorate.
      it seems as if dave doesn’t want to win the election with all his pussyfooting around.
      if david davis were in charge the tories would be more popular and would win more seats.
      dave’s and gideon are a pair of losers and will be punished at the ballot box for their indecision and backpeddling.

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      • 123
        thick as thieves says:

        said the lost soul.

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        • 147
          Postometer says:

          That’s your limit – off you go.

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        • 163
          Great British Public says:

          TAXI FOR THICKOS & THIEVES !

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        • 254
          Johnny Rash says:

          You see. That’s what’s makes you look like a dick. You have made a couple of (apart from those already deleted…) enteraining & intelligent posts so far in this string. Do you really need this “said the [enter any insult usually found in the previous pots, or rimmer]…ad nauseum, crap? Or the other “spastic, cripple, or crush your skull” nonsense? You are clearly a bright chap. You don’t need it, it just winds many people up.

          Just gentle advice that I don’t expect you’ll take. If it brings on another tat rant, spare me. Can’t be arsed mate.

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          • tat says:

            johnny,
            half of the comments you are referring to were not made by me but were made by trolls imitating me to get exactly that reaction.

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      • 182
        Basic political nous says:

        Elections are not won from opposition but lost by the incumbent.

        People vote for change out of frustration and a sense of betrayal not because of campaigning ‘fireworks’.

        Revolutions only succeed in kicking in the door if the woodwork is rotten otherwise the basic emotion is better the devil you know rather than the one you don’t know.

        If the devil you know is shit vote against him.

        People always vote against and not for.

        Basic psychology.

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        • 271
          Glaswegian says:

          I fully agree that people vote against things, rather than some dramatic new vision, nevertheless we are faced with a lack of differentiation between the parties, which will be in Brown’s favour.
          Brown, with his lack of vision is dragging the entire political debate to the lowest common denominator. The election is likely to be fought over managerial competence rather than principle. Unless Cameron can rouse himself to provide an alternative, people will naturally comment that there is no difference between the parties.
          If Cameron allows there to be a hung parliament because of his limp wristed agenda, he will have squandered an opportunity to change things for the better.

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    • 54
      Albert Pierrepoint says:

      “The way to defeat Brown is to give him plenty of rope.”

      Not too much, mind, or his feet might reach the ground.

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      • 294
        Flat Earther says:

        You also have to bear in mind the maxim “never interrupt your opponent when hes making bad mistakes”.

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    • 57
      Old Nick Heavenly(real dimwit) says:

      Correct, winning is enough, it is everything in any battle!

      ONH says:

      Do what is obvious, ignore the rest!

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    • 113
      MaisieW says:

      Spot On Liebour have not a clue, what to put in their manifesto, they are waiting to see what theTories have, then copy it
      Fraser will have a rant tonight, being editor of the speccie, has gone to his head

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    • 116
      AC1 says:

      You haven’t really won until the enemy feels utterly defeated and cannot even contemplate continuing the fight.

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      • 125
        thick as thieves says:

        correct AC1.
        winning is not enough. one must win big in politics or one does not win at all.

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    • 138
      Dack Blog says:

      Getting into Government is only the start of the game. If they see it as the finish line we remain fucked.

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  11. 13
    Anonymous says:

    The answer lies in where they got the Fink from-who donated him to them.The only thing that beats the Fink for achievment is Hague’s placement of Norman in CCHQ. ITV beware lest he repeats his staggering political success with the Tory Party.

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  12. 14
    Slushgate says:

    I demand a super tax on millionaire James Gordon Brown.

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    • 50
      Gordon's favourite Butt Plug says:

      Brown’s idea of a perfect Tax system is for all employers to remit all salaries and wages direct to HMRC. He can then set up another huge organisation within the Labour Party to see that all funds are distributed to citizens as they see fit. He will have loads of personal glory holes for cash then.

      Perpetual Labour Party Control, and benevolence. The perfect Marxist State.

      Only that would be far too direct and simple for the Tinkerman. He would fret that he wasn’t screwing us over enough, that there might be some slack in the system, and he would then have to eliminate the Black Economy. To be replaced by a Brown economy, where only immigrants can earn cash for services or goods. White Indigenous British will be exterminated for trying to make more of their life for their families. That is Brown’s idea of Middle Class Aspiration.
      Utter Bastard.

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      • 70
        Old Nick Heavenly(real dimwit) says:

        All economies need, IMNSHO, a stong black economy in order to remain healthy. It keeps the money circulating through plenty of hands that then put it back into the straight economy.

        Equally, the black economy gets screwed when the straight economy falters!

        Same with parasites in any natural system.

        Get rid of them all and you get a monoculture that leads to disaster.

        Get too many, eg United Condom, and they swamp the body that they feed from and destroy it!

        I never met anybody who complained for getting a better price because it was on the black!

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      • 134
        Ruth Kelly's plaything says:

        ‘From each according to his means, to each according to his needs’

        – and Gordon gets to define means and needs.

        Heaven!

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  13. 15
    Gordon Brown says:

    I’m still here. Because that is the right thing to do.

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    • 133
      Anonymous says:

      tick tock….

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    • 258
      Tennerpants. says:

      Your still here because out of all the spineless cretins surrounding you, you are the Monster spineless cretin, the only other cretin that could replace you sold his soul for some shitty ermin and a title.

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  14. 17
    Prime Minister says:

    An excellent thread,Guido.

    I will use extracts of it at this weeks PMQ’s to pulverise George Osborne

    Thank you so much

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    • 66

      MaK SURe YOo WriT It DOwN In BiG PrinTT

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      • 83
        Keeping tabs on Brown - soon to be gone says:

        With all those yellow tabs – watch the fat arsed cow behind him in PMQ’s – she hands stuff forward for the odious moron.

        He had so many notes with so many tabs on them last week,it looked like the Doomsday Book – come to think of it – we are all fucking doooomed!

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  15. 18
    Dave Cameron says:

    Bugger it,

    I’ve lost my Mojo

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  16. 19
    A cut above says:

    The main cut that needs to be made is the following;

    Gordon Brown’s throat.

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  17. 21
    Mick Farren says:

    Billy has the right idea and gets my vote

    Folk singer Billy Bragg has written to Chancellor Alistair Darling to say he will withhold his income tax unless bonus payments to bankers at the Royal Bank of Scotland, which is majority-owned by the government, are capped at £25,000.

    And the singer, known for his left-wing protest songs, is encouraging other British taxpayers to follow his lead, via the anti-establishment medium of choice, Facebook.

    On his group, NoBonus4RBS, he writes: “I understand that the Treasury had little choice but to use taxpayers’ money to safeguard savings and restore confidence in the financial system.

    “What I don’t understand is why, now that we taxpayers are the majority shareholders of these banks, we seem totally powerless to curb their excessive bonus culture?”

    Last month, the National Audit Office revealed the total cost to the taxpayer of the banking bailout so far to be £850bn – including buying shares in RBS and Lloyds and indemnifying the Bank of England against losses incurred in providing liquidity to frozen credit markets in the wake of the financial crisis.

    Bragg compares the reported £1.5bn RBS is planning to pay in bonuses to its investment bankers next month to the “painful cuts” in public spending being planned by the main political parties after this year’s election.

    He invites fellow Facebook users to write to the Chancellor and explain why they won’t be paying their taxes this year.

    Bragg would appear to be in good company in believing bankers’ pay should be capped. Stephen Hester, CEO of RBS, told MPs last week even his parents thought he earned too much and that he would pay his staff “the minimum we can get away with in the market place

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    • 29
      Historian says:

      Did the government need to bail out RBS when there is loads of cash sitting in Sovereign Wealth Funds with the Chinese sitting on 2 trillion US dollars with no home for it.?

      Imagine that – a real socialist buying up our banking system

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    • 32
      jgm2 says:

      Darling and Brown don’t give a fuck if anybody pays their taxes ever again. As far as he’s concerned squandering 300bn quid over the last 2`1 months has (probably) finally bought a single quarter of ‘growth’.

      This will now be paraded as proof that the recession is over and only an utter fuckwit could possibly go wrong from here. Thus teeing up the Tories for the inevitable blame when it all goes to shit in July. In fact the best present anybody could give the outgoing Labour economic beserkers is to withold their tax. That way the Tories get the blame for the catastrophic collapse in tax revenues and the catastrophic increase in ban**upcies as the IR goes after all those businesses that have deferred tax this year. Plus the unemployed half million students who graduated in 2009 but have been hidden from the figures on compulsary ‘placements’ unable to calim until now.

      It is an economic scorched earth as thorough as anything you could imagine in your worst nightmares.

      If only they’d applied as much thought to running the country as they have to ensuring that Cameron has absolutely no room for manouver except as the guy who had to make the tough choices.

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    • 90
      Barking is not in Dorset says:

      Lord Billy of Dorset did rather well out of Thatcherism.

      Opposing it turned out to be very lucrative for the songwriter in residence at BBC Pravda R4.

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    • 95
      Sir William Waad says:

      I would find it hard to live on a banker’s salary and bonus but if the tone-deaf whinger thinks they’re overpaid I will bow to his deeper knowledge of economics and remuneration policy. Which is my way of saying that he knows feck-all about feck-all and the proper outlet for his juvenile ignorance is commenting on a blog, like me.

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    • 118
      AC1 says:

      Do you think he will also support me withholding my Tax in order to not give a benefit bonus to bail out the feckless Chavkind?

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    • 222
      revolting peasant says:

      Billy gets my vote too.

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      • 298
        Mark T says:

        Hester only gets his bonus by selling shares if they go up a lot and in which case the government also makes a large return) Anyway, why single out the bankers? Can I just withold my tax on the basis that it is nearly all wasted?

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  18. 26
    Hi! I'm Tony Camoron, remember me? says:

    Forget the “cast iron guarantee”

    Forget tne Tories not repealing Labour taxation.

    Forget the 20% vat proposal.

    Forget the Tory “Green” taxes.

    Forget the pay freeze.

    Forget the new quangoes.

    Forget the new government, same as the old government.

    Remember Tony Camoron.

    Remember vote Blue get Red.

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    • 30
      Gordon's favourite Butt Plug says:

      Still a 1000X more acceptable than the present Labour Party Government Bastards.

      Brown just makes me want to vomit, and with every passing day, my hate for him increases.

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      • 40
        UKIP remind me of a bunch of Alf Garnets says:

        Most people are not fooled by Labour trolls disguised as saggy old Tories/UKIP borderline racists.

        Or indeed real UKIP ‘Alf Garnet’ types.

        Both as sad as each other.

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        • 77
          The Admiral says:

          Hey! I like old Alf. Made a lot of sense ‘e did. ‘E noo wot was wot. And them commy lot too. Remember they should go back to the country wot was allotted to ‘em, sez I.

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      • 45
        Habeus Corpus says:

        Well you’d the tories couldn’t be much worse than these incompetent troughers, could they? But we don’t know because this new bunch of Cameronite tories have never been in power so for all we know they could (and probably be) be just as incompetent. They’re cut from the same mould and absolutely share the same philosophy of government, same politics, and same admiration for Tony Bliar as Nu Labour.

        In 2010, the things that unite labour and tory politicians are far greater than the things that divide them. Cameron will be emulating Blair in every way possible, and the tories have been out of power so long you can expect an orgiastic binge of law making resulting in the further erosion of our civil liberties, and the excersing power for power’s sake.

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    • 33
      Anonymous says:

      Hi Tone, Good to see you back though the facial surgery doesn’t seem to have gone too well!

      Like

    • 37
      Sarah Tweet says:

      Forget the latest Labour troll/UKIP old man attack line.

      Repeating things just makes them dull, you silly arse.

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  19. 38
    Uncivil Servant says:

    Ashcroft’s dodgy millions could be an Albatross around Tory necks. I understand that even if Tories win in these marginals the result could be contested because Bearwood is merely a front for non-dom Ashcroft. An investigation is in process and moves are afoot to get it concluded before the election.

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    • 49
      Labourlost says:

      Yawn.

      Is this the best Labour can do, poor trolling spotty student.

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      • 99
        Habeus Corpus says:

        i hate the fact that on this blog poeple just write “look another [labour/tory] troll” or whatever to repudiate someone’s post as if thats an adequate refutation. If you disagree with something then for god’s sake try and articulate why instead of “Troll. Trolly trolly trolly. Nya nya nya nya nya!”

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    • 52
      Thatcher's 'snatch says:

      I think you may well be right.

      Not even in power yet and the stench of Tory sleaze is eminating out of the woodwork.

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      • 62
        Bingo says:

        Can’t smell anything over the stench of torture being covered up, the corpses of Iraqi civilians, and the rotting pong of a decomposing ineffectual government.

        Even by the standard’s of Labour trolls, ‘Thatcher’s Snatch’ is pretty dire.

        And thin skinned.

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  20. 42
    Sir William Waad says:

    The problem is not the level of tax but the level of spending. As long as there is no incentive to control or reduce spending – no votes in it, no sentiment that being careful with other people’s money is a good thing – taxes and deficits will continue to rise. We are trembling on the brink of a complete collapse in public finances but there is still no evidence of a change in heart among the Osbornes and Finkelsteins of this world.

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  21. 44
    BillyBob ... reduce crime, national debt and carbon footprint, stop immigration? Every little helps! says:

    France…..??? What have they done for Haiti??

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/centralamericaandthecaribbean/haiti/7020093/Haiti-earthquake-France-criticises-US-occupation.html

    Proud…non contributor to the Haiti appeal !!!!

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    • 192
      If truth be told says:

      There will be thousands of Haitians who will be very grateful to the US in the coming weeks and months.

      The UN and NGOs are totally out of their depth on this one…much to their chagrin.

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  22. 48
    socrates says:

    Why doesn’t Plato post here anymore?

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  23. 53

    “Like a shell-shocked First World War veteran”

    In seven words Guido removes himself from the Finkelstein circuit invite list.

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  24. 60

    Danny is probably thinking of his SDP past, now that he sees Cleggie might benefit from the “not Labour” vote

    His remarks on taxation policy that the speccie took up are just barking

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  25. 68
    EJT says:

    Italian politics was explained to me recently. The left expands the client state while in power. Berlusconi is better because he does fuck all. Is this what the UK has descended to ?

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    • 89
      Old Nick Heavenly(real dimwit) says:

      This was why Chirac was so loved by many of the Frogs, because he did fuck all!

      Could not stand the bastard myself!

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    • 91

      Spot on re Berlusconi. Do you want a politician in your face and on your back and managing your life, or not? If the latter then Silvio is your man.

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  26. 74
    Shade says:

    Agree with your implied sentiments Guido but there is NFC that the Tories will head in a meaningful “small government”, sound economics, tax cutting direction. They made a huge mistake with all that wailing and apologising for being the “nasty party” which totally played into their opponents hands and resulted in them ending up with Dave. Those who think that they will be different if they get into office are wishful thinkers. The party no longer has the philosophy, instincts and certainly not the cajones to get us out of the mess that this present bunch have made. Whereas most true labour voters will still vote for labour, despite misgivings that it is no longer socialist enough, the same is not true of tory voters, many of whom are now considering not voting, or UKIP.

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  27. 78
    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    “The poverty of Tory ambition is palpable, it is not enough to defeat the enemy, capture their ground only to continue governing in much the the same way”.

    ** Sustained applause **

    Exactly on the money Guido.

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    • 101
      Anonymous says:

      Ah, yes, why not be like a Tory version of Michael Foot – Don’t compromise those ‘principles’ whatever they are, don’t listen to the electorate, keep British for the British bollox, and remain in permanent opposition.

      Don’t you ignorant fuckers understand ANYTHING Cameron has done ??

      Don’t you begin to realise that we want ‘Obama-esque’ policies, not some Palin-esque shite ?? And that Cammo is the closest thing we have to that ??

      If I wanted Sarah Palin’s policies I would move to fucking Alaska !!! You cretins will understand when the Tories get in that there is only one show in town. And that is David Cameron, and if you want the idiocy that Simon Heffer espouses you might as well emigrate right now, ‘cos you sure as fuck ain’t wanted here.

      Because you will get very short shrift in the [thankfully] modern Tory Party.

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    • 102
      Habeus Corpus says:

      2nd that

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    • 120
      Jonty Pryor, Labour Liar says:

      Mrs Righty Wing

      We love you.

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      • 203
        Twin set and pearls says:

        The dieing kicks of a dieing generation. William Hague told them “Many of you won’t be around when i’m in government”. Most of the old right wingers have passed away, but a few still limp on. State care comforts most of them but a few old ‘uns can still be seen in the local high street shouting at passers by about the need for “The British opt out”.

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  28. 93
    Anonymous says:

    I am totally, completely, royally fucked off that we, the people, are being offered a chance to vote for ‘common-sense’ One Nation Toryism under the Cameron banner, and some fucking twats want to try and con us by hijacking that agenda we want to vote for with some retrograde bollocks by Keith Joseph and Margaret fucking Thatcher.

    If you want Thatcherism, put Thatcher on the ballot paper, put Thatcherism on the manifesto, and put up loads of posters saying ‘Fuck the Polar Bears, we want cheap flights to Tuscany’…

    This is misleading, mendacious shite of which even Tony Blair would be ashamed. It is about time David Cameron stood up and said “I am campaigning as a New Tory, and I will govern as a New Tory, and anyone who thinks differently doesn’t do it with my authority. I am here to govern for all my voters, not the narrow-minded cretins that are Tory Members and spend all their time whingeing on Conservative Home *”

    * – Well, apart from all that shite from Iain Duncan Smith of course.

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    • 104

      George Osborne: welcome to the blog of Guido.

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    • 219
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      The Polar Bears don’t need help fukcing. The polar bear popuation has been increasing year-on-year, because any mammal does better when it’s a little warmer. The ICCP has dismissed this little snippet because it is, “unhelpful”.

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      • 277
        Watch the Skies! says:

        Cheap flights to Tuscany! Once we invade with our genuine replica football shirts, Polly Twaddle might need to find somewhere more agreeable to muse on her socialist titwank.

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      Grumpy Old Man says:

      Beach O’Hama has spent too much time with Salvatore Mundi. By campaigning for the Democrat candidate, he turned the by-election into a vote on his record. Brown (Rep) is now 5 points up and Massachusetts is set fair to turn Republican for the first time since Joe Kennedy, father of JK, bought the State as a Family Ranch in way back when. At least the average yank needs only a year to realise that socialism doesn’t work. As an added bonus, postal voting is only for the nearly dead and those out of the Country – like the US Army, whose partiality towards pinkos is a matter of legend.

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  30. 114
    Technomist says:

    O/T but may interest some people:

    Baroness Scotland’s ex-housekeeper has today admitted possessing a false identity document, but denied intending to use it for fraud.

    Loloahi Tapui, pleaded guilty at Southwark Crown Court to using a passport with a counterfeit visa stamp. But she denies a charge of fraud by intending to use a false passport to establish facts about herself and to earn money as a cleaner. She is the former housekeeper of Attorney General Baroness Scotland

    Christopher Hehir, defending Tapui, told the court his client pleaded guilty on the basis that the stamp was false, but the passport itself was genuine. She entered a plea and will appear again on April 6 for the start of her trial.

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  31. 117
    Worst kept secret in the world says:

    The Tories will not cut taxes, or spending, or the expansion of government power, or end the illegal foreign wars, resist the EU, or generally do anything different from Labour.

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    • 156
      Anonymous says:

      Zzzzzzzzzzzzz.A Conservative revolution is coming and all your lots vested interests are gonna get royally booted out the door innit.Please do try not be too sad about it after all you’ve had a good run.

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  32. 119
    Peter Oborne says:

    Tax cuts for us ordinary folk ?
    I bet he is just as allergic to them as he is to pork pies and shellfish.

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    • 174
      Disco Biscuit says:

      Given the man lives of bacon butties, that’s both appalling and inaccurate.

      You can be one or another here but not both lol

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  33. 121
    nell says:

    The truth about gordon is that he has shown time and again that he does not have a decent grasp of sound economics, he does not understand good housekeeping and he struggles to get to grips with the simple techniques for managing pocket money. I think Daniel Finkelstein would agree with that view.

    balls and whelan set out to publicly laud him as a collossus in the early years because they thought this would benefit their careers. This was the man they said had a great clunking fist, a huge intellect, a godlike personnae that would cure boom and bust. This was the man that was going to carry Britiain into the promised land.

    Well hollow laughter all round now when the emptiness of this clay-footed failed ‘god’ is finally and irrevocably exposed to the world.

    Now they’re reduced to paying huge sums of money from the empty labour coffers to some caplinesque figure who is promising to wave a magic wand and invest gordon with vote-winning charisma.

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  34. 122
    Ruth Kelly's plaything says:

    Strolling by the river just now I was musing on the changes wrought by Tory governments in my lifetime.

    Supermac switched us from ‘nationalise everything’ to a lot less daft dogma. We grew.

    Heath took us into an international trading bloc, which was good for business and hence jobs – not his fault that it now assumes the characteristics of an empire. We grew.

    But it’s Maggie’s stamp that most impresses me. She inherited a country broke and utterly demoralised. Nothing worked. It took her years and years of unremitting effort to turn the tide, fighting her own party and ministers more than the opposition. Her task was gargantuan, that of changing an entire culture of defeat and submission, which she did. IMHO, she also did a lot of harm, but despite that we grew.

    (I omit Home and Major as neither left a clear impression on me.)

    Dave, please, recognise that extraordinary energy and a clear sense of direction, flying in the face of orthodoxies held dear by colleagues and electors, is what you must display. Otherwise you will go down in history as a sort of Callaghan or Brown, a useless waste of space, a dangerously ineffective nonentity.

    I am one of those of whom Lord Tebbit wrote the other day ‘have no Party to vote for’. I beg you, give me something to vote for, something to keep me away from UKIP or the Banque Nationale de Paris.

    The NHS has been good to me, but I know it is bloated and inefficient. I do not want to hear that its income is assured – I want far better value from it.

    I do not want to hear that overseas aid is to increase – if you are to demand money from me with menaces via HMRC I do not want it spent propping up African kleptocracies, subsidising India’s nukes or going to the Chinese (yes, we do give them millions); better, leave it with me and let me make my own donations. I will make the donations, but only if you allow me to afford to.

    You have left it late, but there is still time to create a clear identity for a Tory government, one based on truth and the gut feelings of millions of ordinary Britons about fairness. Maggie did it. You could too.

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    • 130
      Al says:

      Whine whine, dribble dribble.

      Too long you self pitying bell end.

      As for Tebbit, he’s a walking corspse wank object for smelly old right wingers and a favourite of Labour strategists.

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      • 173
        Nu Lab 6th Form Student says:

        TROLL, TROLL, TROLL, TROLL NU LAB TWAT NOW ON YOUR BIKE! YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE AND MADE A RIGHT PIGS EAR OF IT!

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      • 299
        Ruth Kelly's plaything says:

        Hm.

        Did they teach grammar, spelling or rhetoric at your school? Doesn’t look like it.

        Or were you just too thick to benefit?

        Regrettably, thanks to NuLab policies, there are millions of you.

        And we give you the vote.

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    • 149
      French kissing says:

      Blimey! We can vote for a FRENCH bank?

      Do THEY have any money?

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      • 236
        Grumpy Old Man says:

        Yes. One of their former Socialsist finance ministers runs the IMF. He’s just tole the world that it’s allright for the UK and USA to continue Quantative Easing.
        (todays’ FT)

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  35. 127
    sally m says:

    where is your blog twat?

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  36. 128
    thick as thieves says:

    I always know when I am winning because Guido bumps my posts.

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  37. 129
    thick as thieves says:

    that’s fucking art you are messing with Guido.

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  38. 132
    Kris Alienz says:

    I’m an alien man

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  39. 135
    CH4RL35 3 H4RDWIDG3 says:

    Back off man! I’m a games designer

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  40. 141
    CH4RL35 3 H4RDWIDG3 says:

    The mind fails before the body.

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  41. 143
    anonymous says:

    Don’t ban me i’ll behave

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  42. 145
    Is Gordon Clown in today,officer? says:

    Re; the bloke arrested for making “threats” at a UK airport – I went up to a copper at the gates of Brown’s bunker (Downing St) back in October and asked him if Gordon CLOWN was in today.

    The copper went off and came back a few minutes later stating that he had no one of that name on the list…..

    Seriously.

    Better not do it now – they will shoot me and then ask my dead body questions.

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  43. 146
    anonymous says:

    Watson made me do it, i will behave promise starting from now.

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  44. 148
    COVLAD says:

    David Davis fantastic speach on the the new security bill. 1800 18/01/10
    Live on Bullshiting Bastards Coked-up tv.
    Out standing defence of civil liberties.
    Put the case for using the DNA data base in an effective manner, while still maintaining the common law presumption of innocence.
    Well done that man.

    Shame he would be killed before they would ever allowed him into the Home Office.

    Aarrr well. The Reich Lite marches on.

    SIEGT AN ALLEN FRONTEN

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    • 157
      COVLAD says:

      Could someone do the magic thing that puts clips on the blog to the David Davis speach. I think some will be surprised to see someone ( an MP ) doing the job we pay them for, well and with conviction.

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  45. 151
    nell says:

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/5708308/surprise-suprise-inflations-on-the-rise.thtml

    Inflation heading towards 4%. We are still the only nation printing money to buy our own debt and so devaluing our currency.

    We are the only nation in the G7 suffering a strong surge of inflation in the middle of recession. We are acknowledged as the worst placed for recovery in the G7 and by a very significant margin.

    Well done gordon!

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    • 158
      Down with Brown! says:

      Lets captured Kirkcaldy too. That dirty smelly rat Brown should have no hole left to hide in.

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      • 166
        Politically incorrect man with a chisel down the local says:

        I proposed Kirkaldy as a site to store deadly toxic waste that is too dangerous to store in any containment facility near decent folk. Did they listen to me? Did they fuck! Now they realise that my plan for a statue of Gordon Brown, hewn out of plutonium with a half life of fifty thousand years, would grace the town centre and be a fitting reminder of what Kirkaldy gave to the nation.
        Instead that c’unt Gormley got all the backing.

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      • 167
        Disco Biscuit says:

        I can think of one that he can hide in – in fact, he’ll probably be so far up there that he’ll turn inside-out!

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      • 169
        nell says:

        Well it would be good if the SNP captured Kirkcaldy at the next election and completely finished off brown once and for all.

        But if they don’t I suspect the labour party already has a plan for disposing of his unwanted political corpse after the GE. Mandy after all is moving onto a lucrative post at BP so there isn’t going to be anyone left to protect him.

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  46. 152
    Anonymous says:

    What’s not to understand about tory finking on tax? Or liebore’s for that matter. It goes like this:

    1. All pay WITH INTEREST. 2. Thru the nose. 3. Now.

    The rest is cosmetic tinkering.

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  47. 162
    Down with Brown! says:

    Warning the least funny downfall parody ever made:

    Why do people join the Labour party?

    Because they are unfunny clowns.

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  48. 164
    Disco Biscuit says:

    As you know, we agree on most things, Guido – but I think you’ve made mistakes in the way you’ve put your questions:

    “1.This question is about the politics of tax cutting – if, as you argue, voters don’t believe specifics about tax and spend, does precision matter less than conveying a sense of direction?” This confuses communications with policy, and lets Danny off the hook.

    2.Do you actually believe that, all things being equal, lower tax economies are higher growth economies? Fair enough… but you could have mentioned the SDP here I suppose!

    3.You say “I believe strongly in lower tax. But I want proper tax-cutting, based on real reform of the scope and operation of the state.” Presumably you want a smaller state. What then is your broad aspiration for the size of the state expressed as a proportion of nominal GDP? How many years do you think it might take a Conservative government(s) to get us from where we are now, to where you want to be? The implication of your question is that you think, assuming economic growth, that the public sector should grow too. I can’t imagine you do believe this – don’t you want the size of the state to be reduced and then maintained at a stable level, whilst the economy grows?

    Finally, isn’t this a bit, well, boring? Where’s the opportunity for a willy joke?

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  49. 170
    Promise Election Tax Cuts in the depths of a Recession says:

    because everyone is bound to fucking believe you and not just label you liars

    fuckwits

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  50. 176
    streamfisher says:

    You can condense the argument further, Guido, into one word; cojones (or lack thereof).

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  51. 179
    The Laird says:

    Sorry, haven’t had time to read the comments … too much homemade Sangiovese anyway … but Guido has, IMHO, found the problem. There appears to be a trench war … take a trench, lose it again dah dah dah. The battle could be lost by the officers from Eton but they were actually trained to take all the trenches! So come on Dave get stuck in. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

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  52. 180
    Anonymous says:

    He is what Thatcher would have considered a “wet”. Big hat, no cattle.

    We need guys with balls and a bit of spite to lead us, not pathetic wimps too afraid to act.

    They don’t realize the immense respect they would gain if they would say “we are cutting taxes, sod the lot of you”. The people know these cuts are urgent despite what the MSM tell us. No more:

    quangos,
    state-funded troughing,
    the BBC,
    public sector pay increases,
    ID cards,
    NHS ‘super’ computers,
    human rights lawyers,
    subsidies for farmers growing food we don’t need,
    wind farms,
    government non-jobs,
    translating council paperwork into Kurdish,
    income support for Anjem Choudary

    … the potential list is endless.

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  53. 184
    time to get serious says:

    Why won’t the tories say anything about the BBC come on you thickos the BBC HATES you and will make your life hell at every turn, as soon as you get in scrap the license fee, it will get you a second term.

    Believe me ordinary people who have already lost everything like me, won’t care about the coke heads screaming about losing their jobs. Grow some damn balls.

    Money in the publics pocket > media luvvies living the life of riley at the publics expense.

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    • 197
      Ratsniffer says:

      The Beeb is riddled with marxists who think that Nulabour is right wing, let alone the conservatives. There needs to be a proper purge….root them all out and stop them sucking on the telly tax teat.

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      • 211
        streamfisher says:

        BBC teletext news can be revealing, today:

        Page 115, Tories promise elite teachers.
        The conservatives are promising to make teaching ” Brazenly Elitist ” by improving the quality of Graduates entering the profession……

        Page 117, Labour ‘to help brightest youths’, 130,000 of the ” Brightest ” youths to get help with College and University places. Gordon Brown to set up Social Mobility Commission.
        Note Brazenly Elitist in quotation marks, who’s? (no reference) so can we assume this is the opinion of the BBC?. Could be put in an ‘O’ level paper on the media, contrast the two statements.
        The BBC are ” Brazenly Biased ” (my quotation Marks) in their reporting.

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    • 202
      nell says:

      Well if would be good to see the BBC and it’s biased views reined in . It would be even better to hear cameron’s government say that is it going to take a serious look at the science behind Anthropogenic Global Warming particularly in view of :-

      1) the exposure of the lie about the himalayan glaciers thawing – when , it has now been proved, there is absolutely no scientific evidence to support that view.
      2) The Met Office being abandoned by the BBC because of their discredited AGW views which they have unashamedly tried to promote with predictions of BBQ’s summers and mild winters – none of which have come true
      3) the disgraced , lying UEA climate change scientists whose theories have now been shot to pieces.

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      • 274
        Jan says:

        BBCs Matt Frei in Haiti on Newsnight tonight. Matt Frei is a multi-lingual German based for the BBC in the US whose interviewing skills are a thousand times better than anybody else from Al-Jabeeba. He was interviewing old man Clinton and did a superb but gruesome piece about the unfolding disaster in Haitit.Also his programmes on Berlin last year were fantastic. Before Obama’s election he hosted shows with David Dumblebore who he totally outshone.The reason I really respect him is that even though he works for Al-Jabeeba he does not seem to be biased like the rest of the rotten left-wing b………..d journalists. He is not part of the BBC meeja. Perhaps after the election there will be a clear-out of all the dross which now inhabits White City. I’d get rid of Peston,Robinson,Marr and anybody else who is Scottish and all those posh Asian babes who are over-represented at Al-Jabeeba,Paxman (I’d let him continue with University Challenge,but that’s all). I’d bring back Denis Murray who was superb on Neil’s programme last week as NI correspondent, he again is a thousand times better than the current blonde with an American accent who is the NI political commentator (and she’s rubbish). I’d also sack all those stupid women now presenting sports programmes. Bring back male sports presenters that’s what I say.

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  54. 188
    Anonymous says:

    I also have one or two concerns about George Osborne.

    Like almost everybody in the Labour cabinet he seems to have been a bit of a careerist, never having much experience in industry. Apart from a stint doing data entry for the NHS and working in Selfridges he has been a ‘politician’ all his life. Who knows, maybe he is just a figurehead, all the grunt work being done behind closed doors…

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  55. 201
    Anonymous says:

    sky news reporting baroness scotland facing revewed calls for he to resign over her servant and her servants visa.

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  56. 209
    Used to be middle class now broke. aka anon.....etc says:

    Just wondering where all my money goes. This starter list is off the top of my head. Their salaries, cars, taxis, computers, christmas parties, bonuses, sick pay, parental leave and pensions. ‘

    teachers
    and the educational establishment
    doctors
    dentists
    nhs employees
    museum staff
    quango members
    local council staff and workers
    environmental officers
    grave diggers et al
    bbc employees
    crown prosecutors
    court staff
    MPs, MEPs
    eurocrats
    professors
    researchers
    lecturers
    social workers
    job centre staff
    police et al
    firemen
    civil servants
    customs officers
    eurocrats
    royal family
    met office staff
    roads agency
    heath and safety
    weights and measures
    FOC employees
    cctv operatives
    MI6 MI5 GCHQ staff
    prison officers
    prisoners
    border agency staff
    building inspectors
    lighthouse and buoy engineers
    No doubt you can add thousands more

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  57. 213
    Sir John Chilcot says:

    I’ve decided to rename “The Iraq Inquiry”. From now on it will be formerly known as “The Iraq War Crimes Inquiry”. Consequently, I look forward to interrogating that notorious war criminal, Tony Bliar, later this month.

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  58. 214
    Max says:

    Apologies if noted earlier but:

    We still need to fookin’ win…

    One in three are still thick enough to believe in the McDoom!

    If the fookin’ tories are still this wet after two years then kick ‘em where it hurts but from here (Fake Postal Ballots ‘R’ Us, subcontracted to Scottish Enterprises Kirkcaldy [sic] and the BBC) things are still rather, er, delicate.

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  59. 220
    time to get serious says:

    I feel it may be too late, I think this may be the UK’s tower of babel moment. The whole thing is waiting to come crashing down after generations of tinkering and leave few if any survivors.

    The back of my mind just screams and frets that if the Tories will somehow against all odds manage to sort this country out again, the great hordes of fools in this country will boot them out straight away with no thanks afterwards and let Labour back in.

    Look what happened to poor Major, tossed aside after the first sighting of all smiling and dancing goon like Tony B-Liar.

    The UK populace never learn.

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    • 225
      time to get serious says:

      Also if you where a Tory who had worked his/her socks off to get this country fixed and back on track just to be shown the door at the end of it all, how must it feel.

      Utterly demoralising and sickening, I would assume?

      Why bother enduring the pain, heartache and derision for some leftie lickspittles to rip you down at every opportunity and for the public to show no appreciation at the end of your journey?

      I tell you something the tories are braver than me. I would let them rot for their insolence.

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      • 237
        Understanding tory finking says:

        If you were a Tory banker or captain of industry that had worked your socks off to rack up massive bonuses and pension entitlements, how sickening must it be to have to flee to a tax haven with your ill gotton gains and whinge that the country didn’t recognise your piss down the wealth through the inheritance generations acumen.
        All you can do is like Lord Ashcroft. Live abroad where servants are ten a penny and buy political influence through cash donations.

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        • 255
          If truth be told says:

          The Bankers abandoned the Tories for New Labour and got the full freedom they wanted from Blair and Gordon.

          We don’t have any captains of industry (not even corporals) anymore.

          Name one British Company in the big league that is not in possession of global shareholders.

          Power Companies…French and German

          Steel Mittal

          I could go on.

          Captains of Industry and ‘Tory’ Bankers is 100% passe.

          You live in the past with your sermon of selfish greed.

          The ‘villians’ you paint are strawmen

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  60. 223
    Chief Executive, LBC Radio says:

    We can’t afford for Gordon Brown to lose the next General Election. Most of our advertising income currently comes from Government Departments and New Labour Quangos. Hell, we’ll go bust if Cameron win.

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    • 228
      Editor,The Guardian says:

      You think you’ve got problems. What if some Tory bright spark wants to save zillions by advertising public sector jobs online? We’d be fucked.

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      • 240
        Dave C1 says:

        Don’t worry we’ll be exactly the same!

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        • 251
          Editor,The Guardian says:

          I don’t know if you’ve noticed but it’s Labour who have been in power for the last 13 years, but no, you come on here and it’s, Oh dear. Dave this, and Dave fucking that, and he hasn’t even lifted a fucking finger yet. Get a life you whingeing fucking UKIP сunts.

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    • 279
      The Big Red Building says:

      If they’re dumb enough to give money to a station whose editorial policy is opposed to them, LBC (along with the rest of the Global Radio group) is happy to accept their money.

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  61. 227
    Gala Pie says:

    any NVQ electrician could pull the fuse out of the BBC, they wouldn’t have a clue between them what to do

    Andrew Big ears on a sunday morning looks like a right twat in the wrong size trousers

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  62. 232
    Um Bongo Brown says:

    So when it comes to sun and fun and goodness in the jungle, They all
    prefer the sunny funny one they call Um Bongo

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  63. 235
    Anonymous says:

    from toenails blog

    90. At 11:55am on 18 Jan 2010, Whistling Neil wrote:
    Another week, another relaunch and revised strategy.

    Brown is trapped in the vortex, circling the plughole of electoral disaster and reaching out at every imagined life saving rope thrown to him, pleading for help, it would be pitiful if it wasn’t so embarrassing. As May draws nearer, he circles faster and faster in the flow of a current he cannot control, passing in front of the poor, the working classes, the middle classes, parents etc etc. every general/special interest grouping in our society hoping someone will throw him a life-ring close enough he can grab it.

    When will he get the message – the electorate are not trying to save him , they are trying to hit him with the life-ring to finally finish him off.

    Thankfully we only have to wait until May for him to finally disappear down the hole and round the U bend to obscurity.

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  64. 239
    Peter Oborne says:

    Cameron is man of the hour
    Alex (call me Boris) Johnson is man of the century.
    He fornicates , imbibes a little too much however is a good egg.

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  65. 247
    SeanJohn says:

    Why are the BBC or ITV not reporting the new & explosive child abuse scandal within Sinn Fein?
    Could it be that the prime mentalist is trying to push some legislation through, and have some photo opp for his great legacy, ah la tony blair with the peace process? word on the street is that the governement want to protect their man, a certain Mr Adams until he can deliver, possibly next week.

    Oh what evil webs ……..

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  66. 263
    grobdj says:

    This Finkelstein guy looks like the chap that bought Manchester United, maybe not Premier League material?

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  67. 269
    Atlas Shrugged says:

    I don’t think either Guido or many of the rest of you understand this democracy thingy.

    This country is a democracy, not a Constitutional Republic, as such it matters not one bit what a leader of a political party says in opposition. Surly experience forces us all to understand this. Of course some, or even most of a governments manifesto might in some ways come to pass. However to assume such a thing as inevitable, or even indeed likely, is stupidity personified.

    When we vote for a winning political parties parliamentary candidate, we are in effect voting for a national DICTATOR, whether we are told that we are, or not.

    Cameron can do exactly what he is told to do. The problem we have is that a British PM follows ORDERS from Orders which control ‘advising’ bodies deep within the British establishment, who have never had their names anywhere near a ballot paper.

    May I add, that I have no better idea what Cameron is going to be ordered to do, then the rest of you. All I do know is that what the likes of you, me, or Guido may prefer, or desperately desire, has nothing to do with anything whatsoever.

    Cameron will seem to be reacting to ‘events’, and/or, very much foreseen by some people, so called ‘unforeseen circumstances.’ Therefore those that control said events, and unforeseen circumstances, as well as the advice given to elected governments, control David Cameron and his government. They absolutely do so, whether Cameron, the media, or the people, fully understands that they do, or not. Exactly the same can, and should be said for every president, and PM of every western nation for at least the last 500 years.

    For example

    When DC finally gets to look at the books.

    When The IMF finally decides it has what it wants, and therefore comes in for even more.

    When the Iranian shit and all that go’s with it, finally hits the fan.

    Along with a whole host of other things far too nasty to want to imagine.

    We are living in truly world changing times, as our generations always have. We are never again going to be allowed to become comfortable or complacent. We have always been in a life, and death struggle simply to survive a coming onslaught. We may come out of all this relatively well, there again we may not. One thing is for certain, some will be looking back to the London Blitz, and thinking, “things were not that bad then after all.”

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  68. 270
    Nick Park says:

    Poor old Conservatives. Don’t ya feel sorry for ‘em. Just as they’re ready to rush down to the polling booth to elect their hero’s, the realisation that Dave is a fully paid up EU federalist smacks ‘em straight between the eyes. The vision of the Tory roll back big government mantra must be sticking in their craw as they cast their ballot for “Cast Iron Dave”.

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    • 275
      Atlas Shrugged says:

      Very true, but lets face it you can’t really blame them for actually voting for the Donkeys Arse. The prospective sight of all those many Labour MPs fast becoming EX Labour MP’s on day time BBC TV, is far too tempting to be even partially frustrated.

      Revenge will be extremely sweet, the after taste far less so.

      We will of course give Cameron his six months or so to start to make a useful difference. If not, and with any luck, the British people will finally wake from their collective slumbers and throw the whole rotten game of establishment corrupted Monopoly into the gutter of history where it very much belongs.

      Personally I don’t feel lucky. Therefore I expect the piss taking, as well as the blood letting, to carry on for a considerable amount of time. Most likely until well after I have finished my personal sentence, and been taken to a far better place then this one.

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    • 282
      caeasars wife (reconstituted and freelance) says:

      Suggest you look at greeces effect on euro , out may be pragmatic option Oh the joy of that day .

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  69. 276
    Worried in Westminster says:

    In a valiant crusade to staunch Britannia’s haemorrhaging and start reduce the costs of the vastly inflated Public Sector, will Fink suggest and lead on being an MP but not drawing a salary?

    How many Tories plan to stand on not taking a salary, might get some seats in the gloomy North ………… & Scotland !!! Might be a winner against Gordo ?

    Time we had means testing in the Palaces of Westminster…………

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  70. 280
    caeasars wife (reconstituted and freelance) says:

    I thought Mr Camerons teacher quality idea was good , very out of the box with a good starting point for a revison in some of the chronic deterioration aspects of education that have occured over the years .

    One of our banks gives money to a football club , billy bragg refuses to pay tax because one of our banks gives its staff bounuses , perhaps if RBS was a football club he wouldnt mind so much . Still a staggering £26bn has been hoovered by IT consultants projects and businesses , I think that falls into the biggest incompetant waste of money ever seen .I still wonder if old fashioned records offices wernt cheaper £26bn would be usefull right now.

    to try and answer post Fraser nelson may have some interesting ideas , but i suspect debt problem will dictate budget for some years , however one lib dem soundbite that always infuriates me is “taking this group out of tax completely” . far be it for CW to point out that if a certain band are not paying tax , it then must fall to another band to make up the shortfall , but weve seen this shuffling arrangement before .

    i dont think there is any competeing theory on debt reduction , but its just the staggering waste and incompetence of the countries wealth , an estimated £20bn has gone on the bank purchase let alone the other costs .We used to get upset at budget overspends of 5% . Low tax does help part time/low income workers and i base my idea that inflation will appear somewhere along the route out of this , also those not in work could be in real diffciulty in inflation scenarios . Its quite tragic really , investment will be cut , high unemployment will be with us for some time , whilst tax money goes to make millionaire bankers and unusable/expenisve gov contracts , i mean you couldnt make a better story of incompetence and disregard up .

    With haiti still dominating the news its tough going for much policy , but at least its shaping up , ruin bunkered trying to avoid Peter Watt revelations and Blair yet to come , Labour weirdly have no election plan yet , dithering because figures are so bad , CW thinks you cant skewer the invisible man or woman or policy , use the time well , very much looking forward to end game , no one likes the ruin or the marxists , labours own fault for running with him and runing economy .

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  71. 283
    Um Bongo says:

    5.00am – I am just about to go to work,. I should really employ somebody to off load some of the stuff, but even placing an advert without doing a day of research could end me in the shit, I could then end in the shit If I employ the wrong person and need to get rid of them, what happens if I employ a woman who is going to have 5 kids? When I have employed them I have an ever increasing unknown exposure to NI, pension contributions and god knows what, I then have to pay corporation tax on any little extra profit this new employee may create, thus canceling out the reason for employing them in the first place – tax tax tax rules rule rules what a load of bollocks this country is trying to employ people

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  72. 284

    Why settle for driving the buggers back to Kirkaldy? My minimum objectives would be to drive them past that burgh, on to John O’Groats and into the North Atlantic.

    We need a modern day Duke of Cumberland to rid the nation of these Scottish Socialists once and for all.

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  73. 292
    Todger says:

    You are wrong Guido, the enemy will not be defeated, the enemy is within and it is running the Conservative party.

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  74. 297
    Anonymous says:

    dave, will be out of office within 3 years nap.strikes,riots…let the games begin

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