What Are the Tories Going To Do for the Middle Classes?
You have to laugh at the audaciousness of the Brown change of strategy, from a “war on toffs” to fighting for the middle classes. He has also resurrected Blairism, even referring to his “friend” Tony, claiming “we have governed as New Labour and now we will campaign as New Labour.” His speech to the Fabians yesterday was ideologically Mandelsonian.
At first the Tories might be inclined to dismiss it as desperate political zig-zag forced on Brown and Balls by a cabinet that wisely wants to fight for middle-income swing votes rather than just core-votes in a defeatist retreat into welfarist clientèlism. Except middle-income voters are bound to ask: “What will the Tories do for us?”
The Tories mock “One minute Gordon Brown’s a class warrior, the next he is a friend of middle Britain … The idea that a man who has spent his whole career at war with the middle classes can be their champion is laughable”. They charge Gordon Brown with tax-bombing middle Britain, saying:
- He’s repeatedly hiked national insurance, hitting middle Britain again and again.
- He imposed a £100 billion pensions stealth tax.
- He hit first time buyers with a £1,500 rise in stamp duty.
- He imposed 111 tax rises.
Families on middle-incomes are entitled to ask where is the Tory commitment to roll-back those hikes? Will they remove the pensions stealth tax or stamp duty? How many of the 111 tax rises will they actually reverse?
The Tories give little sign that they plan to defend the middle-classes by reversing Gordon’s decade of attacks on them. The proposed marriage tax allowance is being watered down by Osborne, the Labour tax-bombs that CCHQ have warned us about in campaign posters since 1997 will not be defused. In fact the Tories are signalling they too will bomb low and middle income earners with their own 20% VAT bomb. Only the LibDems are offering a tax cut for low and middle income families, promising to put the tax threshold up from £6,500 to £10,000.
Gordon says social mobility is his new priority, yet the Labour Party has blocked council house sales, the single greatest boon to social mobility since free education for all. The LibDems and Tories should promise low-income, public sector tenants that they will bring back a programme of heavily discounted council house sales. Owning your own home is a great aspiration and a key driver of upward mobility.
The Tories are promising a lot of pain and little gain for the middle-classes. The transferable marriage allowance is a vote winner, higher inheritance tax allowances are another and radical education reform looks appealing to all those of us who can’t afford to send our kids to Eton. If the Tories are going to remove superfluous welfare benefits from those on middle to upper incomes they need to compensate us in return. If Osborne credibly matched the LibDem proposal to raise income tax thresholds to £10,000 they would seal the deal with middle England…
Stop knocking the Tories, or we’ll end up with another five years of NewLabour – under the inept leadership of the gorgon and his mob!
HOW about this for a wartime security policy? Impose brutal cuts on the military – then give the money away in overseas aid.
Sounds like the sort of idealistic plan you’d expect from the under-16s at the Liberal Democrat annual conference.
But this is officially David Cameron’s policy.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/columnists/fraser_nelson/684249/David-Camerons-savage-cuts-will-hurt-the-frontline.html
Now, I’m in favour of overseas aid. But it is an insult to the public to argue that donations need to be forced out of them by the taxman.
The Haiti disaster has proven the incredible generosity of the British public. Even Gordon Brown said he was “humbled” to see it.
He should keep their hands off our hard-earned, then. Let us give to charity as we see fit.
We never need the taxman to take it from us. Cam talks about trusting people more. But increasing the aid budget trusts them less. He’d take your money, for a charity of his choice.
What’s Conservative about this? Where is the trust? And if we’re at war, shouldn’t the Conservatives be backing the troops first?
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/columnists/fraser_nelson/684249/David-Camerons-savage-cuts-will-hurt-the-frontline.html
Speaking of overseas aid just how much cash are Saudi Arabia et al stumping up for Haiti? because the usual suspects ore on all news channels criticising the US for not doing enough, when they seem to be the only ones doing anything.
Still, I expect the massive mobilization of Muslims in the UK and Islamic aid etc we saw at the time of the Pakistan quake is gearing itself up to help.
Tell you summert. What is not being reported is the Field Hospital aid being given by the Cubans. While the UN and the NGOs huddle inside the airport compound saying it’s too dangerous to go outside because the locals will take all the food and water from us, the very food and water that they are supposed to give to the locals. The Cubans are out and about with top medical treams and facilities caring for the Haitians.
Does it matter that a few bottles of water and a few sacks of rice end up in the wrong hands? I would bet most of it got to those in need if the UN did start dropping supplies.
And why the fuck is the UN running it anyway, they could not organise a piss up in a brewery? Many of the NGOs ain’t much better either..the smaller charities are most often the more efficient charities and are more deserved of donations than those covered by DEC
What is this nonsense?
Nobody is getting a tax cut.
The UK’s Finances are up shit creek.
Osborne, Darling or Cable haven’t said “no new taxes”.
They have said the opposite.
They just won’t tell you by how much and for how many years because they are terrified, particularly in an election campaign.
So Chemical Ali has been sentenced to death in Iraq for using chemical gas against the Kurds in the Halabja massacre, March 17, 1988 that killed 5000 people, but why havent the ministers in the Tory government, and Margaret Thatcher who authorised the sale of the chemical weapons plant, Falluja 2, that supplied the components for the poison gas been prosecuted for supplying the technology to make weapons of mass destruction – even though the Thatcher government knew that the factory they signed an export license to be built in Iraq would be used to make poison gas ?
Note how the issue of Thatcher and the Tories involvement in arming Saddam Hussein has been whitewashed from history.
Article on the Tory government arming Saddam Hussein with gas plant ;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/mar/06/uk.iraq
Article on the 17 British arms companies that supplied Saddam Hussein with weapons that were later used to kill and maim British troops in Iraq with munitions produced and supplied by British firms ;
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0223-07.htm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1243902/Saddam-Husseins-cousin-Chemical-Ali-sentenced-death-poison-gas-attack-killed-5-000.html
The Tories will tax the arse of the middle classes as soon as they get in, they will use the BIG LIE of globallshit warming to ensure compliance backed up by a brainwashing media and continue with the marxist indoctrination of your children.
That is what the Tories will do for the middle classes!
Tories have no say in the matter, the bilderbergers run the show, ask Osbore and fat ken. The leaders of the bilderbergers who collect the interest on the unrepayable debt that was forced on the British people to bail out their private banks.
The Bildebergers pushing the Globall warming hoax for taxes and control.
Let the bankrupt banks go under, we have other banks, we dont need to be saddled with usery debt like they did to Africa, tell them they can have the banks as the private banks owe them the money, not the people, cancell their usery debt.
It is the bilderberg bankers that are pro EU big goverment and this is the group that controls the Tories.
So what will the Tories do for the middleclasses – destroy them for the NWO.
Guido lift the moderation, it’s getting beyond a joke!
or are you some maxist control freek.
If you are one of the many victims of guido’s totalitarian cencorship methods then visit a real libertarian blog.
http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/
Cast of Guido’s shackles and start discussing REAL politics.
NO censorship – EVER
In the wider blogosphere Guido’s name is fast becoming dirt, the crass trivia and censorship have taken it’s toll.
No Libertarian blog today takes guido seriously, he is viewed as part of the problem, not the solution.
How to beat the aiport scanners
http://glossynews.com/society/201001070305/activists-missing-after-declaring-war-on-leather-at-motorcycle-rally/
I laughed so hard, a bit of wee came out
Guido
Seen this?
Oh. My. God
http://markwadsworth.blogspot.com/2010/01/fun-never-stops.html
David Cameron has already backed plans to introduce a so-called “rights of passage” scheme. Gordon Brown has also backed proposals for limited national service.
As has Obumma and Crudd – no it’s not the NWO hitler youth these things just randomly magic out of thin air and the bilderberg group has nothing to do with it!
Besides how could it be, it hasn’t been on the BBC and they would tell you the connections right?
Under Cameron’s proposals, all of the UK’s 650,000 16-year-olds would take part in six-week projects after they leave school. The Tory leader has backed military training.
24, some Muslims are already acting. Islamic Relief USA, not Islamics from Arabia. Oddly. Or perhaps not oddly.
Nathan Rothschild said (1777-1836): “I care not what puppet is placed on the throne of England to rule the Empire. The man who controls Britain’s money supply controls the British Empire and I control the British money supply.”
This may sound selfish to the bleeding hearts out there but looking after your own should be Gorgon’s first priority. I honestly think he is an idiot and he needs sectioning a.s.a.p. in order to protect this country and its interests.
Frazer, you make excellent points regarding the reality of aid. Governments giving aid to the charity of their choice – not ours, also allows a lot of scope for bribery. Money too often ends up in some dictator’s Swiss bank account. Knowing the corruption in our Government, some of the donation will end up in the overseas companies of some of our ministers.
we need to:
cut corporate tax
move to flat rate income tax
reduce CGT to 15% (9% for entrepreneurs)
cut spending across the board
I am willing to lead the country on this.
We already give to hundreds of fake charities via the taxman.
I notice with amusement that the taxpayer contributed £350K via Mandelson to the Stonewall campaign to tell taxpayers “Some people are gay. Get over it”
Read and weep
http://fakecharities.org/
Osbore is a bilderberger just like fat Ken, they will do what their masters tell them to – tax the middleclasses.
and saddle their children with bilderberger bankers usery debt we do not owe.
Tories helped Saddam gas the kurds said…
Tories helped Saddam gas the kurds
January 17, 2010 at 3:36 pm
So Chemical Ali has been sentenced to death in Iraq for using chemical gas against the Kurds in the Halabja massacre, March 17, 1988 that killed 5000 people, but why havent the ministers in the Tory government, and Margaret Thatcher who authorised the sale of the chemical weapons plant, Falluja 2, that supplied the components for the poison gas been prosecuted for supplying the technology to make weapons of mass destruction – even though the Thatcher government knew that the factory they signed an export license to be built in Iraq would be used to make poison gas ?
Note how the issue of Thatcher and the Tories involvement in arming Saddam Hussein has been whitewashed from history.
Article on the Tory government arming Saddam Hussein with gas plant ;
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2003/mar/06/uk.iraq
Protesters Gunned Down In Southern Afghanistan
Several people were shot dead and more than a dozen injured on Tuesday during an anti-NATO demonstration in Afghanistan’s volatile Helmand province, local media said.
Hundreds of Afghans took part in the demonstration, which had to be dispersed by police and the military. They were protesting against the killings of civilians by NATO troops and demanding their withdrawal from the country.
The demonstration followed a recent NATO airstrike in the town of Garmsir. The military said several militants were killed as a result of the attack, but the protesters claimed there were also victims among civilians.
The shooting reportedly broke out on Tuesday when the demonstrators started to throw stones at Afghan police and foreign officers, who arrived at the site to calm down the protesters.
When Gordon Brown proclaimed that we only had 50 days to save the World.
Was he deluded?
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2010/01/poneke_on_climategate.html
http://poneke.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/gate/
News just broken in NZ, and it will cause the fall of a few Governments
Frazer you are right. These plans would not be out of place in a manifesto from CND.
At the same time that Cameron is cutting the defence of our nation he is throwing more money at the bloated NHS.
Here’s an idea: why not get rid of the silly “ring fence” and allow the NHS take the pain like everyone else (they have had it *so* good in the last decade) and then we might have some extra money to stop our boys dieing in Afghanistan.
Just an idea, Dave, and it may well be a vote winner too.
NHS is a money wasting bloated inefficient private gig for the staff there
it is run for the benefit of the staff and not the customers
CUT 30% of management spend in NHS
Performance would improve
I must check to see if my ‘ring’ is fenced.
The target culture in every public service is costing bollions, as resources are siphoned off frontline activity to administer this nonsense. The target culture also distorts priorities and saps individual effort and innovation.
But the main sapping of the middle classes comes form the destruction of savings and pensions through ridiculously low interest rates. These have encouraged gambling, especially on property, and decimated savings, including the spending power of pensioners, that leisured class whcih foermerly kept many small business going esp in rural areas (pubs especially)
Cameron and Osborne need to restore decent interest rates, both to reward effort and thrift, and private pension provision, and to discourage feckless borrowing (and gambling on house prices, which hurts the poorest most).
The sale of council housing will not help – on the contrary, almost everyone I know who bought their own council house is now living in either France, Spain, Thailand or Oz – they took the money and ran. How does that help the country? – and what would stop anyone doing the same now when things are even worse here?
The NHS just does not work.
You’re a cost, not a customer and costs are minimised.
Where is the evaluation of whether we should be in this war most people know we cannot win in Afghanistan? are we to continue as an even bigger lapdog of misguided American administrations forever? Has our political class lost its ability to think for itself or has all strategic thinking been outsourced to Washington the way manufacturing has been outsourced to China and the back office to India? perhaps we mioght be better off outsourcing strategic thinking to beijing or New Delhi as well.
in http://order-order.com/2010/01/17/gordons-class-war-on-behalf-of-the-middle-classes/#comment-412034 sam says ‘But the main sapping of the middle classes comes form the destruction of savings and pensions through ridiculously low interest rates’
No it is the greedy banks increasing their spread between savings and loan rates. We should all lend and borrow via Zopa ( UK.Zopa.com ) and cut out the middleman
Piss off ‘Frazer’. You are as much a puffed up bag of fart gas as that tool over on The Spectator.
I wonder if he is being told how puzzling his campaign pledges will sound on Budget day. How can you justify increasing the aid budget by 50 per cent with SCHOOLS and POLICE being cut by 20 per cent?
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/columnists/fraser_nelson/684249/David-Camerons-savage-cuts-will-hurt-the-frontline.html
This is Cameron’s election to to lose and he is losing it. If Dave took more notice of people like Nelson than his airy fairy advisors he could still turn it around.
First things first: Cameron should announce now that he will establish a civil service commission promising immunity from prosecution to middle-ranking civil servants in return for information. This would help us to see what can be learned about the ways in which government over the last 13 years has been conducted.
And then publish it all in full.
The more I look at the Tory election strategy, the more it looks like they are trying to lose it.
From giving 7% of their core support to UKIP, to subliminally telling the nation that we cannot carry on with Cameron, to stealing expensive and unnecessary labour policies and philosophies.
It looks very much like the tories are trying to lose this election.
The poster’s being @@@king spun to @@@king shit.
Cameron stares at us, we look at him: ‘We can’t go on like this’.
Simple. Direct. Seasonal. Done.
I also agree, Cameron’s policies are quite alien to the average tory voter.
Is he wrong, or is there an underlying masterplan we don’t know about? I must admit to being at a loss as to what he is really thinking.
I live in hope that he is keeping his radical right wing tory powder dry, but that’s all it is – hope!
‘This is Cameron’s election to lose and he is losing it’? UH?
42% in the polls…consistantly on 40%?Kind of shoots your silly take on things down in flames.
My advice to you is to pop over to the Sky comments and tell me how well Brown, Balls & Mandy are doing in the opinion stakes.
Fraser Nelson puts his own take on record,presenting it as fact.
Just plain lazy.
“If Dave took more notice of people like Fraser than his airy fairy advisers(english spelling), he could still turn it around”?
Why on earth would ‘Dave’ do that? When consistantly on 40%
If ‘Dave’ took more notice of people like Fraser than his airy fairy advisers he would be where Labour & the Lib Dems are in the polls.
So if I were you I would go and have a lie down for a few weeks.
Fist thing Dave should do is pull out of the soviet EUSSR, until he does that he can do nothing but tinker at the edges – NOTHING!
they are rubber stambers for the EU and whores to the global bankers.
One day you tory blue rinse clowns will get it, probably the day the socialist EU close down private schools and seize ownership of all property.
This is not Tory policy but the opinion of a man who works for the News of the Screws.
There must be a way to get rid of cameron without having to wait for the electorate to vote conservatives out en masse`
Agree, It really doesn’t matter what the Scotish monster says, it’s either an out-right lie or the opposite of what he will do.
Ed Balls has now accused the Tories of ‘social enginerring’ with their marriage tax plans. Strange, because social engineering is Labour’s kick. I think we can see Labour’s election strategy revealed – lie to the public at every opportunity. Confuse them to such an extent, that it is difficult to discern Labour and Tory intention. The default position, given the economic uncertaincy, is to vote for the incumbent. I don’t think it will work, but it’s worth a try, lol!
This is exactly what the blair party were doing in the run up to the 1997 election, by continualy repeating the line that the tory party had ‘lurched to the right’ when in fact it was the new labour party that had moved very much to the right. A classic case of Orwellian ‘ministry of truth’.
The tories are being very lax in correcting that assertion too. You would think that they would be quick to point to labour arguing against fair taxation.
The recognition of marriage in the tax code is to right a wrong, to stop penalising decent married couples. It is NOT about forcing people to get married, or even making a judgement about the value of marriage. It is correcting the injustice of penalising people who chose to get married.
The added hypocrisy of labour suggesting that this is social engineering is just more labour bullshit. From a party that has been running a disastrous social engineering experiment on all of us for over 12 years, this is even more bullshit.
The labour party have probably found out through secret research that many people, who at one time would not have reacted to terms like ’social engineering’, now consider the concept bad, so what do they do: they accuse their opponents of it, while in actual fact that is exactly have done, are doing and will carry on doing, and do it big time.
they do not correct
they let it ride
much to the anger of the decent voters who hate liebour and broon and all those sh1ts!
i think they should respond with their own examples rather than be “the quiet man” ala IDS!
The difficulty the electorate faces in distinguishing Labour policy from Tory policy is more the responsibility of Cameron than Balls.
Both parties have the same aim; they are determined to be elected and to say and do whatever is required to get them elected.
It would probably be easier on the mind if we just referred to them as the A and B team.
When the A team has been in Government long enough to become totally corrupt and deranged with power, it is exchanged for the B team.
That in a nutshell, is the state of British politics.
The Lib Dems are reduced to bringing on the oranges at half time.
Very perspicacious Moley! And a good reason to give them all three a good kick up the bum; esp since unless we make them see that their slavish adherence to the dictatorial EU will destroy them and their parties, they will between them accomplish the destruction of our country first.
Meanwhile Dave continues to parachute his own shortlisted candidates into safe and winnable seats – all mean and women chosen for their refusal to rock the EU boat, from what I’ve been told
I refuse to vote for someone who centralises power in the hands of himself and his own clique, and refuses to restore democracy to the UK
The urge to kick them up the bum (whilst amply motivated) is likely to be self-defeating. I remember voting for the ‘Party Party’ whilst a student. It was thrilling. I felt like a rebel. They did not win.
bit like Nell Gwynn then
mind you , she had nice tits
according to Charles11
Telling the truth is not ‘knocking’. If the Tories fail to listen to good advice then they will only have themselves to blame when their period in office is a flop.
Or even if labour scrape a victory. When Cameron had a dead certainty of a landslide, WHY is he coming out with policies that seem destined to throw a sure victory away? Why is Cameron pursuing the same basic agenda as labour?
The globalist elite puppet-masters are pulling labour’s and the tories strings, that’s why.
Which one of the many conspiracies would this be then? “Common Purpose” Bilderberg or one of the others the loonies have dreamt up?
No, Guido is right. Cameron will be the next prime minister, but he is being given too easy a ride and so as the bluLabour creep he is, he will just give us Labour taxes. And don’t forget his green taxes, they will *really* hammer the middle classes. The Tory m,anifesto has not been published yet (and some people think that policy-less Cameron has not even thought about what to piut in it yet), so there is a chance to persuade him to produce a real Conservative manifesto and cut taxes.
There is no chance of a change unless the leader is changed.
I suggest a mud wrestling match between Brown and Cameron and whoever wins gets to lead both parties.
Eugh ! This revolution should not be televised.
It would be cheaper than an election, no less democratic and infinitely more fun to watch; (in a revolting sort of way).
I like this plan.
“Throw mud in his eye, Dave!…”
#1 – Absolutely. Get rid of the people who have let this country down so badly. No ifs or buts. Then decide who might be best in their place, and stick to that choice. Get rid of them. Anything will be better, but, GET RID OF NULAV (and Old Labour).
OK. Vote Tory. Why ?
Because I want : 20% vat, so rates are the same all over Europe
An EU identity card, so I can be safe from…….who-ever
The Police to be regionalised, with control passed to the EU, with a proper national (EU) internal security police
The continuation of the transfere of control of the military forces to the EU
The French government to continue to profit from control of the nuclear power industry on these island (oh, yes and Gordon’s brother)
“Proper E Boarders” which monitor all movement in and out. Not that crap brick and concrete thing we had in the east before.
A federal transport police, patrolling our main roads
A federal boarders police to inforce the E Boarders
Finally, the regionalisation of the security service MI5 so that the government can keep an eye on the regional governments after the January deadline when the nations no longer exist
Well said. I just know why people are so slow to understand. It’s a tragedy.
I suppose they get their current affairs ‘info’ from the MSM, who have brainwashed them
I think we are past the tipping point, and we certainly shall be if any of the LIB/LAB/CON take power next year – esp if either of the big two has to rely on the Quisling Liberals for support
The only way to sort them (LIB/LAB/CON) out is to vote for someone else. That way they’ll know that they cannot take our votes for granted and bring in laws that benefit us not their paymasters.
The ‘they’re all the same’ meme now flies under the LIBLABCON flag. This is the politics of despair. Running a country means that you CAN change things. New laws appear on the statute book. The tax code changes. The declarations that you have to make to HMRC are different.
Do not listen to this counsel of despair. Vote.
Step 1 – Get Labour out
Step 2 – Keep Labour Out
Step 3 – Vote for someone else
I agree. i will not vote for lib/lab/con, these parties are all the same and represent a deep problem with our now undemocratic politics – this merging/modernisation, thinktank policy-marketeng manifestation of politics – which relies on manufacturing artificial differences between the parties in order to court swing votes, and which only serves career politicians and the industry of politics/PR/media.
To the poster who wrote ‘this is the politics of despair’ yes, it is depressing but that is no reason to accept/endorse this form of politics which you effectively do by of voting for one of the big 3 parties. We need to challenge our leaders and politicians not only through criticism of individuals (brown is an idiot etc – yes he is but lets look at how the role of prime minister has been distorted since 1997 into a president/virtual dictator and how parliament/civil service institiutions has become irrelevant/weak/disenfranchised i.e. the bigger picture).
Besides, we all know cameron = blair – he has never hidden his admiration for the man, the same is true for many modern tory politicians(cameron sees himself as a great moderniser like blair – look where his modernising of the premiership/civil service/govt and politics in general have gotten us).
i will probably spoil my ballot or not vote at all.
Fact is they are no better and will be just as damaging.
I could never see the argument by which one bunch of sticky fingered crooks being any better than the next, With the antics of the U K’s most dominant political parties it is no surprise to UK voters that the next parliament will be well and truly hung.
Hugh swathes of voters will stay away at the next election (I am one of their number). Voters now know their only use is to vote legality to the theft of their rights.
Voters now know they DO NOT have a voice they now know they are ignored, on important matters, fleeced, deceived and largely, despised by Westminster.
MP’s have wholly failed to represent the people that voted them into the job.
Moving deck chairs and public displays of sickening ingratiation are all they think they need to make you , sit, beg and roll over.
Your collar awaits fido….all you have to do is vote!
Your view is the majority view in this country now. If every one who thought like you voted against lib-lab-con then they would be history. You have the numbers to win this election.
So what do you do? you abstain!!! what a cowardly fucking action.
Get out and vote and encourage everyone else who feels the same to vote too.
If you don’t then you will be allowing the labour and tory traitors to steal even more.
All you have to do is put aside a little time on polling day to put a little cross on a ballot paper. It might not make any difference, but for so little effort, if EVERYONE who felt as you do made that tiny effort, the payoff COULD be huge. WE could kill off the labour and tory and liberal attack on our country once and for all.
I will second that.
Just for once, vote for the party whose policies you support rather than against the biggest of the two bunches of crooks.
Thirded. What a pathetic argument – ‘all the major parties are shafting me so I’m going to sit on my fat arse and do nothing about it’.
You’ll get what’s coming, twat. Get off your fat arse and DO SOMETHING. The Nation voted these wankers in – they can vote them out, too.
And fourthed! It’s a duty to vote – people are STILL dying all over the world for the right we take for granted (and so reprehensibly misuse)
I’ve felt at every election for many many years that each is the most important we have faced for a generation; and this one even more so. The future – the very existence – of our country depends on it as never before. Our freedom is at stake.
There is no shame in abstention especially if whats on offer is not to your liking.
To my mind, withdrawing your vote weakens the system that needs legal representation to operate. Voting in many countries rubber stamps legality, thats why in many countries it IS illegal NOT to cast your vote!
Propping up a prevailing bad situation is not a happy place to be and continuous patching only prolongs the agony for all involved.
Withholding your vote is just as effective as strike in the workplace it has the same effect! It ultimately forces, agreement reform and balance.
UK Government badly needs your agreement they cannot function indefinitely with out it!
Unfortunately they can function very well without it. Until there is legislation that annuls the results of any election below a specific % of the electorate, they will take any result as a mandate for the next five years.
Sadly.
Not so, if Government could function without it they would have done so by now then it could not call itself a democracy.
It would be a dictatorship!
“What are the Torries going to do for the middle classes?”
As far as I can see, SFA.
These are the only Torries I know:
http://www.fanpop.com/spots/torrie-wilson/images/279452/title/torries-bananas
Ms. Contessa – you miss the point that Guido needs to gradually shift the debate on the blog to being anti-Tory given that they are sufficiently probable to form the next government.
Guido is anti-government, anti-politician – regardless of party. Unless he takes his readership with him, or co-opts a new readership of lefties who will more naturally despise the next government, then the revenue from all those lovely adverts you see around you will evaporate.
On the substance of the article, I’m slightly bemused that Guido rightly agitates for a radical attack on the deficit and yet cries foul the moment that “middle-class” benefits are threatened and demands “compensation”. Whatever the compensation might be, it must be consistent with the aforementioned attack on the deficit (and debt).
The tragedy of the comments below is that the Labour trolls are posing as disaffected Tories complaining bitterly about the ringfencing of overseas aid. Robin Cook et al must be turning in their proverbial graves.
Another pro-Labour, Guido? Sometimes I wonder if you aren’t an undercover agent of Brown and the bunker boys.
Whatever failings Cameron and co. have they will be 50,000,000,000,000,000 times better than the current shower of shit.
Think about it – Labour have the Unions to please and cannot upset them as they need their cash.So all the Quangos,feasting on a £90 Billion annual trough, will not be touched by Labour.Neither will their “Consultants” feasting on taxpayer cash.Labour will not upset their “client state nor can afford to.
Immigration will continue unfetterd ,as will the bill to house them and pay their Evermore stealth taxes will be introduced(affecting the middle classes particularly)
Labour is a very expensive government to have and the middle classes should realise this.Fair enough they may lose a few quid in benefits.But its nothing compared to what they’ll lose if the spendthrifts stay in power.
The only way out of this mess is to shift the Quangocrats ,their consultants and needless databases(id cards ,nhs databases etc) and whole host of other depts pissing money up the wall.Not to mention unemployment and the fact we’velost over 12 % of manufacturing under Lab.
Spending cuts must be the first priority and tax rises the least favourable( to kick start the economy).Labour haven’t a fucking clue how to cut spending or promote growth.So guess who’ll suffer the most.Yep you guessed it the middle classes.Are these turkeys gonna vote for Christmas ? Not if they’ve any sense they won’t .
The only people who will not be hit by higher taxes will be the rich. They can either move abroad or hire tax consultants to work out how not to pay higher taxes.
Those of us who can’t more abroad or who can’t afford highly priced tax consultants will be the ones paying ever higher taxes. The middle classes.
What can you do when you have the IDIOTS on here constantly telling us ‘mums the words’ ‘keeping his powder dry’ etc. etc.
two words to that lot: BULL SHIT.
I don’t want Labour in and i don’t want left wing Conservatives in either.
Dave Cameron is a clueless lightweight it is as simple as that and hazard a fair guess that the people telling us to stop picking on him and making up excuses for him are the same that voted for phony Tony in 97.
Well prepare to get a big fat told you so and another 5 years of disappointment when another fraud is elected.
333 Bollocks and you know it ,your just another Labour Troll spreading disillusion about politics.Well F off we’re too savvy around here to fall for it.Bottom line your fooling no-one innit.The Torys are the party with the most experience to get us out of this mess.As history proves categorically.
What are you on about?
Dave is kicking out the old tories with experience as fast as he can and replacing them with more left wing drones on short lists, the only reason old school mavericks like for example Dan Hannan happens to be tolerated is because he is gay and sat far away in the EU wasting his time.
Ken Clarke is only tolerated because of his bliderberg connections and high powered friends.
Lightweight Cameron was quite prepared to stroll into office with lighweight George and sit carrying on Labours economic policies.
I do not want to see the Conservatives turn into Labour and yet i’m the one called a labour troll?
unbelievable.
Infact why am i surprised?
It’s also ConHome policy to ban and shout down anyone as a troll who points out the holy one Cameron’s lack of substance and lack of policy.
It’s 1997 all over again.
To so fed up with UK politics -The Conservatives have very little in common with Labour.Go to Conservatives.com if you don’t believe me.Click on Policy and you tell me how their supposedly similar.The Conservatives are a million miles away from Labour and will reverse(as much as is possible) all the damaged these numpties have done.Labour and Tories similar my arse!BTW Ken Clarke pulled us out of the last recession,left a budget surplus( not a £179 Billion budget deficit like Lab) and a low inflation growing economy.Which Lab have ruined.AGAIN.
342 = Labour Party troll and I claim my £5.
It’s pretty clear that the worst possible outcome for the next election is five more years of Labour. The ONLY way to avoid this is to find out who is most likely to beat Labour in your constituency, and vote for them. Tory, Lib Dem, SNP, PC… it doesn’t matter.
Instead of putting the cart before the horse, we have to deal with the country’s most pressing problem: a cynical and destructive Labour party that must be removed from office at all costs if the UK is to survive. So find out who could beat Labour in your neck of the woods, and vote for them. Distribute leaflets for them. Offer to take people to the polling station on election day. Do your bit to oust Labour. But constantly moaning about the opposition parties won’t remove the cancer that is the modern Labour party from government, and will only help keep Brown in power.
Spot on, 468. Labour is the problem. Among of their MPs only Frank Field and possibly Charles Clarke deserve to be in the next parliament.
All the rest are culpable for the getting us in the mess we’re in with stupid decision: Iraq, the erosion of civil liberties, reckless and wasteful government spending, a culture of fiddling in Westminster, the failure to equip the army properly in Afghanistan, letting bonkers Brown become PM, a culture of spin and lying in government, over taxation of Britain’s hard-working workers, a failure to deal with the deficit, expensive and useless initatives in all government departments. The Labour MPs (except Frank Field) supported these or failed to speak out against them. All should to go!
Vote for the person in your constituency with the best chance to defeat Labour!
“The ONLY way to avoid this is to find out who is most likely to beat Labour in your constituency, and vote for them. Tory, Lib Dem, SNP, PC… it doesn’t matter.”
It does matter. LibDems are want the EU to run the country, Dave’s Conservatives are New Labour with a blue rinse. PC and SNP are more left than Labour. So that does not leave you with much does it?
If you vote Cameron you’ll get Blair Mk II, simple as that.
I agree, Gooey Blob!
I don’t want the Tories to do anything for the middle class… just a break from the ceaseless barrage experienced with Labour would be bliss. The middle classes can look after themselves given the chance — that is the difference.
Quite right Susie. Government should provide the optimum conditions for business success, a safety net for the genuinely needy natives, and various forms of national security. What we do NOT need is a Govt constantly impeding the individual and the businessman, and sucking us dry fo rtheir own purposes.
Get government off our backs
The Middle Class voting Labour would be a serious case of stockholm syndrome.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
After being smashed by Labour’s tax raids on middle-class wealth and burdened with debt to subsidise Labour-supporting benefit cheats and big salaries for Labour luvies for 12 years, the idea that the Middle Class would vote Labour is absurd.
On May 6th the middle class will show their fury by throwing out this appalling Labour government.
523 – “a serious case of Stockholm Syndrome” LOL.I like it ! and how very true.I agree the middle classes will be out en masse come polling day to boot this lot out.
This election is like choosing between AIDS or Leprosy.
If you’ve already got leprosy, go for Aids, and vice versa.
Go for the AIDS every time. Believe me.
So don’t play. Simply don’t vote. Deregister from the Electoral Register.
Nothing frightens them more than low turn outs and invisible citizens.
Over the last few years I have noticed just how desperate they are to get you on the Electoral Register. The councils I have most experience with (Brighton and Hove, Islington, Camden) have all been persuing registration with annually increasing fervour using frequent threatening reminder letters followed by aggressive and rude visits demanding to know who lives at the property. On two cases the visitors spoke inadequate English, though this did nothing to subdue their insolence.
I have not registered for many years, preferring to be off their database, happy to forego my ‘democratic right’, a right that now amounts to little more than self-pussification.
Until recently when I decommissioned the doorbell, an unexpected ring on it in the early evening would usually announce the very unwelcome intrusion of the state in either of two forms: electoral registration or TV licensing. They now have to thump the door with their bare fists. And they do!
Compulsory name, ID/Passport number, NI number etc to prove you have the right to vote.
They don’t just hand out votes willy nilly. They post them.
http://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/focus-on-items/PPE
Do as I do. Wire the doorbell up to the mains
Wibble.
Vote for extremist parties, then at least you can have fun spotting the various vans outside your gaffe spying on you.
As you say OH.
I have spent most of my adult life as an invisible citizen and am extremelly proud of the pittance of income tax that I have paid in the last 40 years!
I dropped out! I tried dropping in acouple of times, but leaving the black economy to go straight was always much more of a hassle than it was worth!
These fuckas need disempowering.
No another five years of LAbour = worse than AIDS and leprosy.
Quite right. Every abstention or spoilt ballot is a vote for Brown. Every vote that is not cast against Labour is a vote FOR Labour.
Can you imagine what will be left of the UK if we suffer them for another five years?
Sadly this is true. There is usually some fringe party or Independent for whom to vote, if you can’t bring yourself to vote UKIP. Registering a vote agaisnt this vile Govt is the important thing.
It’s also important to ensure that the new Govt, if one of the big two, gets the smallest possible % of the vote. Not that that has stopped Labour from stuffing the electorate after polling a minority vote the last couple of times. The Tories won in England last time, and still the money-making section of the electorate (ie English taxpayers) have been well and truly shafted and their concerns ignored.
More than fucking labour will.
FFS!
Spot on Guido. Cleggy got boxed in by Marr’s Labour narrative that somehow they’re fucking off OAP’s yet by jacking the tax allowance up to 10k loads of OAP’s would be able to do a ricketty dance to Gentleman Jim Reeves blasting out from their gramaphones.
The thing that the Tories can’t do – can’t possibly do is engage in a willful campaign of odious mendacity, disgusting hypocrisy, egregious lying that has characterized, nay been the major strategic device of Labour. I’m not too arsed about paying for stuff – I’m incredibly arsed about paying for stuff I never knew I’d fucking bought.
And Balls’ claim that the Tories are socially engineering to promote marriage kinda falls on deaf ears when we’ve got more fucking immigrants than a turd has flies. Oh no – the Tories want families to stay together – shiiiiiiittt!! Hoons.
“If Osborne credibly matched the LibDem proposal to raise income tax thresholds to £10,000 they would seal the deal with middle England…”
Agreed, that is a vote winner, and will seal the deal. Worth the Libdems claiming that the Tories are stealing their clothes to go ahead, but must be done soon.
I won’t be holding my breath.
By any means fair,or foul, just get labour out.
The means don’t justify the ends. We have learned nothing from the disasterous years of shit government we have been enduring if we ignore that basic truth.
I am not the sharpest knife in the cutlery drawer but does anyone here realise the colossal debts that Brown has and is continuing to run up?
Promises to seal a deal by spending more money and thereby handing Labour another “unaffordable stick” to beat them with seems, to me, an obvious own goal.
Until the tories get the books and see the real state of our finances (if the last 13 years are anything to go by they and the rest us could be in for further nasty surprises) any new, sane, honest,chancellor would have to cut his coat according to the cloth and making the kind of rash promises that spew forth from brown’s caledonian black hole at every opportunity would be sending the same message that got us into this fxxk up in the first place.
The means predict the ends – every single time.
Spot on, Stilyagi!
But Cameron has to do something at the other end too – the 50% rate must go. Boris is right about that.
That is because Boris IS a Tory.
So is Mandelson by the sound of things.
When the mandarins in Whitehall think like this, then we are undoubtedly ready for a change of government;
Officials interviewed by the institute made several damaging observations about the way the Government functions.
Ministers have lost their grip, said one official: “The machine is starting to pull away from them. There is a sense that you are at the end of an era.”
Another condemned Mr Brown’s offices, saying: “What comes out of No 10 is lots of barmy ideas. It’s the worst possible kind of policy-making, which is ‘here is a problem, let’s have a knee-jerk reaction to it tomorrow on what we’re going to announce’ and quite frankly the less contact with No 10 the better.”
5 I believe that would cost £19 Billion to introduce.Not very likely is it ?
correct analysis Guido.
if things remain the same as they are today then it will be a hung parliament but if the tories raise the personal tax allowance to ten grand they will win the election with a workable majority.
events dear boy, events, and that is an event that is in the tories power to achieve.
and ofcourse the fact that the tax allowance remains at such a low figure as six thousand pounds after twelve years of new labour war party rule is unchallengable evidence that gordon brown is a total fucking c’unt who doesn’t give a fuck about the poor.
Gordon will give the poor their tax back but only if they go cap in hand to the state and provide the state with all their intimate details and thus become fully dependent on the State. That is Socialism for you, it is expensive and it is evil. Unfortunately the Tory Leader and his best mate are going to do nothing to reverse this.
How about the 3000 new laws introduced by Labour? Do the Tories plan to repeal these?
“How about the 3000 new laws introduced by Labour? Do the Tories plan to repeal these?”
I think we know the answer to that one. People here who are saying anything is better than the present government are in deep denial. From tax policy to public spending and ‘climate change’, they are just different wings of the same party.
No, the present Labour party is quite unlike any of the others.
Labour must be removed at all costs. Every vote that is not cast against them is a vote for five more years of Gordon Brown, Ed Balls and Harriet Harman.
I think that they have said that they will repeal about 10 of them.
A Tory MP told me they’d repeal 10 per week.>/i>
Actually, it’s 26000 new laws, 3000 new criminal offences
Hope this helps
If the opening shots of the election are anything to go by then I am expecting 2 staggeringly inept and ill thought out campaigns from both Labour and the Tories which will be like watching 2 tramps fighting each other to exhaustion over the final bottle of meths. An apt comparison to the ‘prize’ of governing this country.
yup. in fact I will go further than my last post: if gideon osborne does not raise the taxable allowance to ten thousand pounds then he is as big a blood sucking vampire of the poor as gordon brown.
note to gideon osborne: decision time gideon, are you a c’unt or are you not a c’unt? currently I think you are a c’unt because only a fucking arsehole would beg money from russian villains like a crackhead whore as you did on the yacht but here you have an opportunity to redeem yourself and change the image of your party.
take it and you will win the election, don’t take it and you won’t.
simple, innit.
What a ridiculous analysis – asking Osborne if he is a c’unt is like asking Brown if he is a Scot (and amazingly the two are equivalent).
By your analysis the mere fact that you are English means you cannot be a c**t, If thats the case what about Balls and Mandleson for starters ?
I think we can all agree that those in Brussels are utter cun’ts
If anyone is a c’unt, its yourself -WTF is a Neantherthal like you to confer guidance to anyone given the insane
WTF are you to tell Osborne anything except to be a GLANS PENIS which is certainly something you do know a thing or two about.
Asswipes of your calibre are what bring this forum down.Why don’t you do the decent thing?
arsehole, I don’t give a fuck if he takes my advice or not.
but if he doesn’t the tories will not win a majority.
you must be retarded, right?
11.59am:
ps invest in a spelllchecker FFS you fucking moron.
why should I invest in spellchecker when an illiterate/ illegitimate dickhead like you continues without the investment of a new brain?
you sound like a right loon.
medication time.
Medication?-sounds like you stooped yours long time ago and are now wired to the mains.
Ever considered a pre-frontal lobotomy?
ever considered writing a post worth reading?
nah, thought not.
hey everyone! it’s the embarrassing cock who posts replies to himself all the time and steals other posters names
must be why he’s calling himself Thieftaker now
nick the dick, we all know that is you thieftaker.
you are accusing others of doing what you do.
you cretin.
Haha you putrified pile of shite-you couldn’t even get that right.Nick is innocent, but I merely adapted your low down tactics and turned them on yourself.
Difference is, I’m infinitely better that you are in every dept except the homo shag stakes-where you remain top diddy!
you meek bear, so surfeit-swelled so old and profane.
out of my sight thou elvish-mark’d abortive rooting hog thou dost infect the readers’ eyes with your poison.
out of your sight?-I’M GOING TO BE IN YOUR FACE you useless, inflated, irrelevant, self-important pile of shite.
It turns up hear, begging, pleading to be listened to while dishing out the usual predicable profantities with what it thinks is the usual impuntity.
WRONG diddyboy, your time is up….
the meek bear weakly replied.
look at the language of this gutter dweller -this is waht he is -lies in the shit and spreads it around as if others had notice without comment on his rantings unchallenged.
This whore needs his dirty ass whupped and I’m the one who is going to do it.
Why don’t you take some time off the boyfriend dirtbag-just make sure you use a condom to protect him from the diseases you are harbouring you infectious pile of pus
an excellent summary of yourself.
well done.
yes compliments I’ll take and deserve but do try and inhabit the real world and realise these descriptions of you are probably held by the majority here.
Stop the masturbating, anal sex, and keep taking the pills………..
Give up thieves you’re getting owned.
Stick to warcraft.
said the fuckwit
Careful, your death knight is being bummed by a gnome.
s a u s a g e s
Concrete you are so right.This prize wanker goes about insulting everyone all and sundry.
His other cowards game is to shift between names an insult from there.
I’m really going to nail this bastard.
you sound so butch LoL ! what a twat
who the fuck do you think you’re kidding Mr tourist wanker?
I’ve been posting here longer than you and at least I live in the UK
You don’t give a jot about Britain
you’re just another troll who thought it would be fun to stalk a couple of posters but lost it completely when they answered back
You steal people’s names constantly and are forever replying to your own posts like a mong
plenty of folk on these boards I don’t insult but subhuman submental trolls like you who said of the Haitian disaster
‘Voodoo! Pure Evil!’
deserve to be mocked for their fuckwitted ignorant stupidity
you couldn’t nail a plank of wood to your own fucking head
Get a room you rimmers.
Simple, aren’t you?
as simple as a tax exile Belgian goober stalker
SAW do you actually really really beleive that the Tories will be as Bad for this country as another Labour Government ? Do you really really think that ?
Yes I do, perhaps you could explain, by way of their policy announcements, both now and over the last parliament just how they will be significantly different from the Labour Party?
A Labour Party with a Milliband at the helm would be different than Camerons Tories how exactly?
The big turd sitting on Labours cake is Brown, otherwise they promote the same asinine, Londoncentric multiculti environmentally friendly, fairyworld politics of Dave as far as I can see.
the only reason to vote Tory is the belief they are actually lying to win in the marginals, but Dave is not a figurehead his people now hold all the top positions.
http://order-order.com/2008/06/06/osborne-off-to-bilderberg-conference/
Raising the threshold to £10k, though, would reduce the ability of the statists to ‘target’ the tax credit benefits and thus continue their insidious social engineering, while at the same time reducing the number of pen pushing state dependents needed to administer such a scheme.
This would obviously be bad, as the reliance of a significant proportion of the population on state largesse is a precondition for social control.
And what is that twat Balls on about, calling the reintroduction of the married couples allowance ‘social engineering’? If the reversal of 13 years of promoting ‘non-traditional family units’ (or whatever the current euphemism for state-dependent single mothers and gay adoption adherents is) is social engineering, then I’m all for it – and Balls and his friends can find somewhere else to fuck up with their destruction of family values.
Raising the tax threshold to £10,000 would cost £19 Billion.I’d love to see it happen but I can’t see it myself.
we gave the bankers hundreds of billions of pounds our money so why not treat ourselves to a measly 19 billion.
innit.
what did we give the wankers like you?
‘we’ means the British not a Belgian twat like you Mr Beefshaker
Tat, assuming that it was you yourself that posted
I read a book of koans once, the only one that I undezrstood was 10 Bulls!
The rest were meaningless bollocks!
you must concentrate nick.
not as a human but as a molecule of the universe.
bullocks
hee hee.
Brown is a lieing shit who has fucked up the economy by giving hand outs to the workshy and non job holders in the public service.
Most of the middle lasses non brainwashed by ideology know this and will not vote for him. the labour core vote fo benefit scroungers, immigrants and public workerws with cosy jobs will not be enough to get in power.
Cameron should keep his mouth shut, get in office, decimate the public sector, and slash welfare (no more cash for booze or sky TV – vouchers for food only).
first he has to get into power and on that issue you have missed the point.
why the fuck should anyone vote for the tories?
they will have to give us a reason and so far that have failed to do so.
do try to keep up.
You miss a few points yourself fuckwitWhy would anyone vote for the tories?-why wouldn’t they you dick?? .
Do try and engage your tiny cerebellum before putting your dirty pads to keyboard.
oh dear, your boyfriend must not be at home for you to nag.
maybe he is fed up with your gay whingeing and has left you?
No, we all know your rampant pederasty and liking of rentboys.Maybe you never had your dirty orifice filled over the weekend and are chomping at the bit?
Note to TAT-must invest in new rentboy directory………..
she’s obviously left you.
can’t blame her, you are a boring moany fuckwit.
Ye at least inmy case it is a “she” as opposed to “he” in your case diddy boy!
so your gay lover has left you.
shame.
no, as you know sperm receptacle, that dubious privilige lies with a scrote like you………….
now you are just talking gibberish.
that is to be expected after all I have caved your skull in on this thread.
you lose I win.
Gibberish is your forte which you serve up cold here and expect everyone to partake.Time is over for that top-diddy, from now on you are going to be challenged at every turn and I’ll have your cranium even further up your rectum than it normally is.
Whatzup, away for you early afternoon wank?
I fu(kin own you tramp boy-you are mine!
talking to yourself again.
you cream faced loon, where got’st that goose look you detested parasite?
No asswipe, I’M TALKIN TO YOU-and extracting your urine in torrents!-everyone is laughing at you top-diddy, what a (unt I’ve made of you-FOR EVERYONE TO SEE!
cor, that poster’s a real thicko innit.
completely missed my references.
WHOOSH! straight over the idiot thieftaker’s head.
Hey top diddy, no use posting after hours, I’m still stalking you and you ain’t getting away.
God how I hate the wooftahs….
“why wouldn’t they you dick?? ”
::sigh:: it is a given that people will avoid Labour in their hundreds of thousands, but they still have a core vote. The LibDems have a core vote too and it is silly for Cameron to “love bomb” them because the definition of core vote is that they vote a particular way regardless. Why is he wastinjg that effort?
On the other hand, Cameron is haemorrhaging votes to UKIP – the “cast-iron guarantee” ensured that. And then there is his latest, which is not to repeal the Human Rights Act? That was a promise that all Conservatives wanted and now he’s broke it. How many more of his promises will he break? There is one thing that is for sure, it is the UKIP vote that will lose the election for Dave.
What the fuck is he up to? Why is he letting votes that should be his go so easily to UKIP? I’ll tell you why, the reason is that Cameron is a tosser, he is bluLabour. He should stop “love bombing” the LibDems (who will take votes from Labour anyway, so why not let them?) and stop the loss of votes to UKIP, and that means real Conservative policies!
Not one tory has answered why has Cameron decided to give so much support to UKIP? He had a guaranteed landslide but through his own treason, now is still staring increasingly at a hung parliament.
WHY? When the biggest threat to a tory victory was losing support to UKIP, what did the tory “leader” do? Instead of promising the policies that the people of this country want, and by so doing, destroying any need for UKIP, Cameron drove a huge amount of his core voters into the Arms of UKIP as there is nowhere else for them to go.
Why would Cameron RATHER see labour win than give many of his core supporters the policy promise they want?
If it is a choice between labour winning and giving a promise of a referendum on membership of the EU, Cameron would rather labour won the election.
Cameron has shown whose side he is on, and it is NOT the British people.
He’s a Smurf:
Blue on the outside, red on the inside.
I am often asked by people the question is it justifiable to Vote for David Cameron simply because he is not Gordon Brown to which I reply of course it is have you seen the state of the economy ??????
I know someone who has not worked since the miners strike but still manages two holidays in thailand
Two a year.
And turns out 5 nights a week.
Scargill? Gary Glitter?
Which miner’s strike? 1912 or 1926?
Sounds like a fair analogy
The Tories haven’t indicted which departments, besides the MoD are going to shrink
or which branches of the NuLieBour spying and “guilty until you can afford to prove you’re innocent” departments are going to be down sized
No answers to the West Lothian question
and even though the Clegg plans have less substance than tissue paper they could yet appeal to the “anything but Brown” protest vote
Message for David Cameron:
This is colossal u-turn by Gordon Brown that you can use to your advantage at the next PMQs. Now please don’t fuck it up by asking Brown next Wednesday if “he’s abolished boom and bust”.
Dave couldn’t score an open goal to save his life.
He proved it for the hundredth time after the failed Hoon coup.
He is a blamanche.
Sometimes its better keeping your powder dry. Hold, hold hold……
The only powder that Dave has is his Cocaine.
Is that the right time ?
Just as “third way” Blair’s team infiltrated and took over the labour party, although none of them are genuine labour people, Cameron has taken over the tory party and is taking them way off course into the same “third way” territory that Blair took labour.
The third way, “third sector” is a treasonous attack on our sovereignty.
Only a government of UKIP or B&P or English Democrat, or one of the other minor parties, (not the greens) would protect this sovereign nation and the sovereignty of her people, from being taken over completely by a foreign entity with a completely foreign legal system in which one must prove one’s innocence, where individual sovereignty is lost and where the state knows best.
Labour, the Liberal Democrats AND The tories are now committed traitors to this country and her people.
Mr Ned, it’s official, you are a smelly, red faced ultra right wing prick.
Hey David, stick to talking your global warming bollocks- you seem to know even less about the current state of the countries politics than climatology!! Ohh you got an – ology you must be a scientist!!
Keep up the good work Ned- you got them rattled!! :0)
17 Brown has fucked himself up with this u turn towards the middle classes.Can’t see him getting away with his inheritence tax attack towards the Tories now.Although I wouldn’t put it past him.Funnily enough I think to save Labour(as many seats as possible because their not gonna win) theyd’e have beeen better to stick with their core vote “soak the rich”.Still theyr’e stuck with the aspiration angle now it theres no going back or they’ll look even worse imo.
go revolutionary, flat tax of 20% at £20,000 but take FIGHTING armed forces and nursing staff out of the tax all together.
The Bob Diamonds of the world will have no problem being domiciled here bringing in £12,000,000 in income tax on his own.
Bureaucracy would be slashed as everybody would be paying the same but the boost to the publics buying power would be enormous, strengthening the economy in far and a better way than a car scrapage scheme and a VAT cut ever could
What government is going to give up the power to interfere and control via the money supply? None.
thats why we need a real change, Dave gets this priced properly and he’ll blow the Labour cocks out of the water, you’ve got support for the Poor and ‘hero-esque’ jobs, with the social mobility potential going through the roof as your not going to get your arse taxed off.
No need for married couples allowance, no need to be worried about labour copying it because the wealthy will benefit.
Granted I cannot get hands on data to do the sums not to mention that my maths is not so hot (thats why I’m studying law) and I have a life but I can see more positives than negatives
YES, yes, yes! A flat rate tax is the way to go.
Sounds remarkably like the Neocon economic strategy under Bush so obviously it will work. Never thought anyone could come up with an economic thought more stupid than Brown but I stand corrected.
Oh, that’s right – Bush introduced a 20% flat tax, slashed government beaurocracy and fixed the deficit. The Americans were so unpset they voted in Obama. Good point!
Just goes to show they couldn’t even make things happen as they wanted even when they had the chance. Look at their writings. You have described their policies. The complete balls up they made simply suggests don’t trust anyone with similar policies. So thats got rid of Brown (on track record) and Cameron (by association with the Neocons). Oh hell – it only leaves Cable.
Well, you can’t believe anything a politico says, you have to judge them by their actions. The Bush admin wasn’t the radical, tax-cutting one ‘promised’. But that doesn’t mean a flat rate tax is bad idea. I admit, though, it’s unlikely you’ll find a politician brave enough to give the hundreds of thousands of associated lawyers, tax advisors and paper pushers the chop.
Bush went on a massive Keynesian spending spree as well
Small government = good government. Cut government spending back to pre-1997 levels.
283 – The only government we need is one that protects and serves as much as is needed and no bigger.People are quite capable of managing their own lives and have done so for thousands of years.If its not broken don’t fix it innit !
The best flat rate for an income tax is zero % on any earnings below infinity.
An LVT is the only tax that doesn’t destroy real wealth creation (i.e. reciprocal exchange of time), and also actually does prevent boom and bust.
What the Tories will do for the middle classes is a good and relevant question, but don’t forget the iron rule of campaigning against this disgusting government:
- if it’s a popular idea, they will nick it
- if it’s an unpopular idea, we might get five more years.
like the IHT
It is quite clear that our opponents do not understand the needs and worries of middle-income Britain.
The Tories have planned a raid on the quality of life of our middle class. They want to take away middle-class guarantees. And have no account of future middle-class jobs.
And that trio of threat – denying access to services, removing guarantees of quality, and abandoning jobs for the future – leads to only one conclusion: that it is only Labour that offers a manifesto for the middle.
Liar
What complete and utter bollocks, it seems there is no one this wanker brown likes, his dislike of the “Tory Toffs” is well known, he has done so much damage to the middle classes and with the runaway immigration he has damaged the working class by reducing the available jobs, there is no one left, he seems to dislike everyone, the useless phuqer!!
There is two U’s in “phuquer”
I spelt it the Iraqi way!
You mean “there ARE two U’s”
Some füçķing pedant you are!
The Middle Classes also see things over the medium to long term…sound finances and a sane taxation policy are long term benefits.
That pain is coming is clear.
There is no magic wand.
Who offers the more credible future scenario?
The tax take has dried up.
Current expenditure is on the maxed out national credit card at what will be ruinous rates unless the gilt markets feel reasonably secure.
There will be a debt fuelled recovery in the third quarter and possibly a .25% interest rate rise in early May but will have been expensively bought.
Labour is hoping against hope that this will turn a disaster into a defeat electorally.
I don’t think that Labour incompetence should be rewarded.
Rewarding failure: it’s what they do.
21 = satire at its best.
The Great Leader is getting on with the job, thou shalt not question his statement that he is the friend of the middle classes and those in work !
Keep paying his taxes and carry on !!
Carry on into old age poverty ….. that is !!
Think you will find the Tories committed to raisng Stamp Duty thresholds so most first time buyers do not pay it at all.
All that will happen is that house prices will become less affordable.
Don’t believe me? Read some David Ricardo.
“Beware of opinion polls. Millions of people can’t find a party they want to vote for.”
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/normantebbit/100022421/beware-of-opinion-polls-millions-of-people-cant-find-a-party-they-want-to-vote-for/
And isn’t it nice to see Farrago ensure noone will trust him anymore than Brown or Cameron by illegally harrassing the only member of his party prepared to stand against his association with nutters.
“The characteristic feature of modern capitalism is mass production of goods destined for the consumption by the masses. The result is a continuous improvement in the average standard of living, a progressive enrichment of the many. Capitalism deproletarianises the “common man” and elevates him to the ranks of the “Bourgeois”
from “the Social Characteristics of Capitalism and the Psychological Causes of it’s Vilification” Ludwig von Mises.
Gordon’s speech to the Fabians (ffs!) paraphrases the philosophy of the Austrian School almost perfectly. Gordon has “Authoritarian Centerist” written through him like a stick of seaside rock. Does anybody out there still thinks that he and his party are not
ideologically confused?Last phrase should be “full of horsefeathers?
I am fairly sure that Beckett lacks feathers.
Well, she’s certainly one sick chick.
quite right old man, ideologically speaking gordon brown has disappeared up his own backside.
Best place for him, IMHO.
bit like yourself perhaps??????????
said thieftaker to herself.
still wearing the tampax over your cavernous asshole?
said the raving fucking lunatic.
get help thieftaker.
you are one mad motherfucking bitch.
I’m the man you ho’
said the crackhead whore to her pimp who then refused to give her any more crack.
then the bitch immediately shut her gobby mouth.
what do you know of whores when your selection is never the female species?
Stick with your normal trade- bumholes and gloryholes down the gents-but do the victims a favour and wear jacket you dirty old ponce.
added the crackhead whore clucking like a bitch for more rocks.
hey cocksucker nobodies reading this now, but I’m going to have you on these boards.
Original Mises text
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ye3bnh9
Solid common sense, worth reading in full.
Labour has been ideologically confused ever since they realised that the means by which they could gain power required them to create a coalition of the marginalised, and to frame their policies to appeal to as many people as possible while actually delivering only the destruction of the relatively coherent social norms that characterised Britain before 1997.
Their entire strategy relies upon the promotion of mediocrity as excellence, on the fallacy that egalitarianism equals fairness, on the lie that promoting ‘diversity’ leads to social cohesion – in short, on the negation of everything that leads to a strong economy and a free country.
That 30% of the population seems to have fallen for this ideological three-card trick is a testament to the power of the big lie – and that the Tories fail to see that aping this bankrupt approach is a betrayal of the British people is truly, truly sad.
It really is beginning to look like we are going to be faced with Hobson’s choice at the next election – but at least with the Tories there is a chance of a change in leadership leading to a radical change in appproach, and a gradual rolling back of the destructive changes wrought by Labour over the last 13 years.
The Tories can not ‘gradually roll back’ the fruiting of the Lisbon treaty (even if Darfur Dave wanted to) anymore than they can reverse the roll forward of demographic change thanks to open borders welfare statism (change they claim to welcome and embrace). Both would take seismic dislocations. I can only conclude that our nation will never recover its former freedoms and culture. Its over. I doubt if Dave grasps the precepts of Mises, Mill and classic English liberalism. Trustafarian lightweight.
Of course they could roll back Lisbon if they wanted.
Slovenia broke from Yugoslavia. USA became independent as did Ireland. Latvia told the Russians to shove it.
Anyone who says Lisbon cant be rolled back is a LIAR.
more, they are lying agents of Lisbon.
My strategy is that people hate Gordon so much they will have to vote for me.
The polls show that strategy is not working and so I’m a bit stumped to be honest.
Oh yeah?
CON 42 % (38)
LAB 29 % (29)
LD 19 %(19)
Rule no 1.
“The worst poll for Labour is always the correct one.”
….and they have been worse than this.
Rule number 1) only spastics believe polls.
therefore you are a spastic.
rule number 2) polls are propaganda tools. they are used to influence the vote not to deconstruct it.
FFS this is basic propaganda stuff you imbecile.
no 50% no influence on the vote.
Jesus H Christ you tory trolls are fucking amateurs man.
You fucking inbred, that’s why I say polls are crap. And just who is propagandizing through the polls……the fucking Labour party and their media whores. YouGov is run by the husband of Baroness Ashton FFS.
that pulled the cripple’s chain.
good.
I’ll take that lame response as meaning you’re talking the usual bollocks.
the cripple hastily added because top boy had made him look like such a c’unt.
Oh dear, he’s gone into massive transference mode. You’ve got to feel sorry for the little knob.
we do feel sorry for you.
…….said the schizo.
don’t be a bad loser as well as a wanker, eh?
You’ve been a loser all your life you misshaped knob jockey, so why stop now?
the loser added desperate to trick the reader into thinking he was not a total fucking loser when he really was.
why don’t you end it all?-you know it makes sense?
the loser added desperate to trick the reader into thinking he was not a total fucking loser when he really was.
I have got the new labour trolls on the run.
very good.
the only thing on the run is the stuff that comes out your ass of an evening at the gents……………
Beware, tat is a conservative.home shill posing as an Esther Ratzarse fag hag to make Tory posters look good.
We bow to your amazing genius and intellect oh great one. The fountain of knowledge and gentle harmonious poster. Lithium levels low again?
oh, another cripple caught in my net.
excellent.
pay your fucking taxes you Beligian twat
WTF?
Guido, May I remind you of your New Years Resolution?
polls are propaganda tools.
As when the BBC said that Labour would win the 1983 and 1992 elections?
exactly.
O/T I’ve checked that it’s not April 1st so is somebody havin’ a laugh?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6991089.ece
Should have seen that coming…
Good news for everyone but Labour. Given the reaction to Blairs name, even at the rigged QT audiences, the Labour faithful will turn their backs on this charade. They truly have lost their way. With the narrative above, we have yet to see anything from the Tories about what they will actually roll back. They need to drop their IHT pledge immediately and concentrate on having a nil band of tax right up to £12,000.00
The sooner the better. A flat tax of 20% right up to £150,000, and a supertax of 38% on any earnings over £150,000. The self declarations will produce a better yield, as other economies miss out of the very many Double Tax Agreements.
Yes the public hate Blair which is why the Heir to Blair is struggling to stay ahead of a hung Parliament in the worst recession since the thirties
The more they see of Tony Cameron, the less they like him
Taxes are goin UP
You’d have to be phenomenally stupid to think otherwise
But you’d have to be a world class fuckwit to think a Flat Tax will ever be anything other than a rich twat and neo-con masturbatory fantasy
Never going to happen
Ever
Never Say Never Again (1983)
If it’s so pupular why don’t any of the electable Parties do it ?
You know the answer.
It’s about as popular as Fred Goodwin.
Well sometimes it’s politically unacceptable to get from A to B because there is too much pain in between. But all that tells us is most politicians are cowards. Remember Hilliary Clinton’s ‘never waste a good crisis’ remark on AGW? They generally need a real (or manufactured) crisis to make significant advances to their agenda.
Yes, now we know Brown is in trouble.
My middle class pensioner mother and her friends would gladly put down their Wii nunchuks down and jump on Brown’s head in their Crocks and suffocate him in a Betterware vacuum-seal storage bag.
That reminds, I love gala pie.
Well 38, it’s a plan with some merit, I have to admit.
Guido, say you have £150,000 savings.
ATM you get no interest, so you buy a little house ( and at that money it WILL be little) find a tenant and you might get £500p/m rent
If anymore council houses are sold the houseing market is nackered. And since most LA housing is migrant/immigrant let ATM that’s not going to help the Mid class is it?
Short termist thinking is what has put us in this mess, Labour have refused to expand the public housing stock and help the very people they were elected by because they wanted to keep the fake housing boom going, they have encouraged people to view property as investment stock and money making vehicles and left those at the bottom end of society with no opportunity to become householders, that has got to end, painful or not.
Since when was owning a house a taxpayer funded right?
We live in a meritocracy. If you want a house, educate yourself, work hard, save hard and buy one.
If you prefer to sit on your arse all day, belching Stella and rubbing scratchcards courtesy of the welfare state, accept that you’ll only ever be renting your roof.
Fucking communists.
So you think its a good idea to disconnect 20% of the population from the opportunity of owning a house? the prospect of owning a house at a fair and reasonable rate promotes responsibility and hard work, house prices completely out of the reach of the lower end of society promotes fatlism and reliance on the state with the excuse there is no way out.
What you are criticising here is exactly what Thatcher promoted, social mobility through hard work, you really are a thicko aren’t you OH, stick to the jew hating.
Free houses for all it is then.
Just make sure you’re paying, not me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danegeld
I think when someone buys something it means its not free, dipshit.
Since the same time as knocking out kids became a taxpayer funded right
next its taxpayer funded lap tops
so if they are not lay in bed all day breeding ,
smoking drugs and belching stella
they can watch porn all day thus getting them more aroused
thus increasing the Labour core vote !
Damned right. Renting’s driving me crazy…
Despite what Old Holborn may think, it’s the notion of owning my own place and having some security (i.e. not coming home to find a letter on my doormat giving me two months notice to move out because the landlord wants to populate the place with his offspring) that’s driven me to work hard these last few years.
Unfortunately, no matter how well I’ve done for myself, house prices have remained out of my reach and got further away each passing month.
Still, things are improving bit by bit. I hope to have a deposit together and be earnign enough to buy a small flat later this year.
House Prices are cheaper outside hellhole UK.
Gavin Hayes, General Secretary, Compass has just finished an interview on LBC Radio in which he criticised “city fat cats, the vast amounts of money they earn and how little they pay their cleaners”.
Andrew Pearce finished off the interview by asking Gavin Hayes how much he earned and what he paid his office cleaners…the sound of Gavin Hayes struggling not to answer the question told all.
They just don’t get the irony, do they?
We fully support Cleaners and Think they should get paid a fair days wage for a fair days work, even the ones that don’t exist.
really appreciating more sensible policy based stuff from you guido. think you may even be able to achieve something during the next few months given your readership. please don’t let it get in The way of any gossip and rumour which lands in you inbox though.
My inbox is always free Tony, you know that.
Tony, I do try to get him to do more policy stuff but he is a bit of a fucking dogmatist with his freemarketeer crap.
he does his best work when his isn’t banging his tired old zionist and billionare apologist drums.
and deleting posts
he loves that
why don’t you fu(k off and have your mid-morning wank you tit?
take your own advice you miserable and boring fucktard.
thankyou.
why don’t you fuck off back to Belgium you moronic ignorant wanker
listen to this complete BELLEND rant on as if he knows something?
don’t be so harsh on yourself.
U-UURRRKK!!! KRIPPLESPASTIC!! KRIPPLESPASTIC!!! (ting) (flutter) OOZEAPRETTYBOYZEN! (flapflap) MEDICATION!!!
harshness is your leitmotif………pity its your boyfriends who must suffer
go fuck the parrot you boring c’unt.
speaking of “boring” , who did it go with the excavation of the boyfriends rear end last night?
How did it go in Belgium last night as you were stalking the back-streets for Goobers to fistpatulate Mr shitmuncher?
How are the Dims going to finance the increase in Personal Allowance?
All I have heard from them is that they might have drop some of their bigger spending plans.
The Lib Dims are THICK SIMPLE EEK
Of course they are but this is a matter of who is least thick. Certainly Cable and Webb are more intellectually capable than any others in parliament.
This the same Cable who wanted a Millionaire Tax that most of his voters would have had to pay? Vincent ‘Capable’ Cable?
The Lib Dems are so fecking cr4p that they messed up the only sensible tax out there (LVT).
The Book of Eli; an in your face advert that’s guaranteed to put you off the web site.
I there a single thing Gordon Brown states in public that he personally, actually believes in these days?
I’m so pumped up on amphetamine injections I can’t remember what I said five minutes ago for fucks sake.
Thank God for Dr Roberts.
No one can suceed like Dr Robert
He’s a new kind of man…..like me!!
No.
I believe its referred to as a psychotic break.
The mental state of holding 2 concurrent and conflicting personalities.
Like a coffee break. you mean? Quick wrestle with the Earl Grey and a couple of slices of Battenburg, then back to the Old Labour class hatred chod it is, then.
SQUIRRRRRR… (stare) (peck)
LibDems?
come off it – their increase in allowances would be paid by the middle classes.
The plain fact is the Christian democrats in germany were doing very nicely thank you in the election campaign of 4-5 years ago until their finance spokeman started talking about ‘flat taxes’ and raising thresholds. they then very nearly lost the election (in fact they ended up sharing power) as their proposals were smeared.
No Mr F you propose the tories do the same. The skinny bint from newsnight could not wait to ask Osborne the other night ‘so you will be closing care homes then?’ as she questioned him about the need for an emergency budget.
The left would lap up ypour ptoposals. We have a humungous deficit Mr F. Just how would you campaign on a tax cutting revenue reducing platform and still sound sane on reducing the deficit? You would walk into a perfect storm of BBC induced lefty smears.
Tories have a 10 – 15% lead. Why do you insist that they have not sealed the deal?? Just get out and vote tory. A tory govt will give us tory policies, but whoever is in power will be faced with an enormous deficit. How do you proposes reducing it without pain? It ain’t on. And in those circumstances making impossible promises to the middle classes is no solution.
A labour govt will give us … Gordon Brown as PM, Balls as Chancellor and Mandelson and Darling as figments of our imagination. Go figure. And Go vote tory.
Trev, thanks for reminding us why Dave is being so careful about what he reveals about policy. Labour shills at every turn at the BBC, and right across the MSM.
Hiking thresholds is simple to explain and sell. It makes standard rate taxpayers £70 a week better off. Obama ran as a tax cutter for the middle-classes, the NZ Nats ran on the same ticket against the same arguments you advance – they won.
Never mind what Fink, Newsnight and the Guardian think. Voters are more than ready and willing to embrace a tax-cutting party.
And a reduced tax take will stimulate the economy and get us out of this God-awful mess that much quicker, whereas printing money just prolongs the pain and the damage and puts off the day of reckoning.
However, although I too wonder when, if ever, DC will not only get hold of the NuLiebour scrotum but give it a bloody good twist, I’m not sure I agree with the comment:
“If the Tories are going to remove superfluous welfare benefits from those on middle to upper incomes they need to compensate us in return.”
It probably sounds old-fashioned but we had our three children knowing that we could afford them. We did not expect the state to pay us money to bring them up. And benefit for those earning as high as £50k (or is it £55K?) isn’t sensible or even necessary. Whatever happened to independence and self-sufficiency? Those on earnings of this level shouldn’t need welfare benefits, should they?
The reason all these people are getting state benefits up to 50K, is that it is a bribe by government to get most of the population to divulge their most personal, private information.
My income was well under the upper limit for family tax credit, but I refused to claim it, because my lawful, private, personal income is NONE of the government’s damn business.
The tories should scrap all tax credits and raise allowances instead. It is far cheaper to administer, and it is far better when people can then keep their OWN money instead of having it stolen by the government and then only given back once people have become informers on themselves and given their own private data away to a corrupt and incompetent Government that cannot keep data safe.
Even then, the government have an appalling record on how much they give back. They have forced hundreds of thousands of people into financial hardship by overpaying and then expecting the poor to pay back money that they thought they were getting legally.
taxes are going up
anyone who stupid or gullible enough to think otherwise is going to be in for a shock
anyone stupid or gullible enough to pay them deserves what they get
http://www.internationaltaxreview.com/?Page=10&PUBID=35&ISS=21268&SID=609227&TYPE=20
I’ll be sure to watch out for millions of Britain’s fleeing to Switzerland OH.
Should be quite a sight.
I live in the UK. I pay 17.8% Corporation tax and 13% income tax.
Fuck them all
I thought you had stopped paying taxes you bullshitting c’unt?
In the UK I have. Quite rightly. No contract, no deal.
Happy to sign contracts in Switzerland though.
Labour would have us believe that if the middle classes were left more of their hard-earned to spend, they’d take it into the back garden on a Sunday morning and incinerate it. In reality of course they’d spend it on local businesses and services in a massively more efficient way than the state, and the economy would take off.
never a true word spoken as that but Labour think they can spend money better than you .
either gordon brown is so deluded he thinks the middle class has more fat to trim or he doesn’t give a fuck.
either way he is totally disconnected from reality. this is the most expensive country in the world to live.
gordon brown refuses to face the facts and he will be punished for that blindness.
Disconnected from reality?how can a space kadett like you use that on anyone here you spaced-out crip?
the retard said to his reflection in the mirror.
talk about delusions?-quite the expert on that-delusions of grandeur for a fu(king retard with a hollow head that is under the illusion he has any inkling of what is going on around him other that his overt homosexuality
said the deluded raving homosexual.
that privilige of same sex love remains in your “camp” -don’t excuse the pun will you?
you’ve already lost and you don’t even realise it.
you are one of life’s losers.
oh well, someone has to be, eh?
you sad fucking bitch.
no no I’m the winner top-diddy-in every sphere I’m your superior and you know it.
I’m riding you, you are my ho and I’ll do with you as I please………..
can’t you get a real ho in Belgium ? well we know you prefer rentboys but there must be some there who will take pity on a piss covered tramp like you
“In reality of course they’d spend it on local businesses and services in a massively more efficient way than the state, and the economy would take of”
Yup, so why is spineless Gideon intenting to keep the New labour taxes? Why is Cameron planning green taxes? Its madness!
Trev you are making the same assumption that Dave is making, that is, people will vote for Dave because he’s not Gordon. That is lazy and it is a sure way for him to lose the election. There does not seem a day go by when Dave does not drop another Conservative policy. He is losing Conservative voters in an attempt to get waivering LibDem votes, it is a risky strategy because at the ballot box those “love bombed” LibDems are likely to vote LibDem, while the disgusted Tory voters will either stay at home or vote UKIP. Dave is sleep walkign into disaster!
Real Conservatives need some fresh meat, a shift to real Conservative policies.
Sounds good but did not work for Hague + Howard did it?
That was whilst labour was borrowing record quarters of consecutive growth and the middle classes could smugly feel good voting labour whilst including the increasing equity in their property as income and feel like they were “doing something” for the poor. They could ease their consciences voting labour and still feel wealthy.
Well that con trick has well and truly busted and many of these former labour supporters are pissed off and are returning to a much more conservative way of thinking as they can no longer afford to keep adding the improvements to their property, they see increasing immigrants being given a better standard of property to live in than people who are up to their eyeballs in debt, because the government and the media kept repeatedly telling them that this financial dream would carry on forever, boom and bust was a thing of the past.
It always was bullshit, but it was the labour party and their media puppets that were selling that bullshit and a lot of people fell for that bullshit.
Now loads of people are becoming much more conservative in their thinking. A diet of bullshit will wake people up and make them think. So they are thinking in a much more conservative way.
Unfortunately, Cameron is taking most of his party in the opposite direction.
None of us like tax rises and the fact Labour have fleeced us for years proves they were full of it the day they said ‘no tax rises’.
I could put up with paying more for better services but to pay for rich boy pat my back I’ll pat yours quangos, the work shy, the charity cases from around the world that drop on our shores isn’t acceptable.
We’ve suddenly become the place where people come to retire on our behalf. Enough is enough and then with all the draconian laws to protect our freedoms from fear, well wheres the freedom? What is the point?
I don’t need a government to wipe my arse, nor do I as a Director need all the positives of being a company owner from being taken away from me. The liabilities increasing, the advantages of dividends being removed. It seems to be successful is to be punished.
At least with the tories, particularly of old, being a businessman means the harder I work the more I’m rewarded whereas with Labour the more they sting me for.
So far tax wise I doubt anything will change but its these pesky laws and such which need to change.
You sound as if you’ve actually voted for them at some point. Please tell us you’ve never fallen for their bullshit.
Labour, when talking about no tax rises, were referring to income tax only, they knew they would stuff us with numerous other taxes but forgot to the little people about it.
Not really the actions of an honest government !!
“Free” education for all was most certainly not a boon for social mobility! You have been well and truly conned if you genuinely believe it was.
If McBust wants my vote
Give me back my now useless pension that i have paid for 40 years
give me back all the money you lost me on my endowment
give me back all the money you lost me on my shares
give me back all the money on my peps and tessa’s
give us back all the money You and Your Thieving Scum bag Party have STOLEN from the tax payers
Even that would NEVER get me to vote LIE-BORE
I Just Want Him DEAD !
I can’t believe how unbelievably bad the Tory campaign is. Dave is going to cut back on all public services, raise taxes, freeze pay and direct the money into foreign aid.
Why is Dave forcing us to donate to a charity of his choice? Surely the system where we are free to donate to charities of our choice free of tax is a far better scheme? And the argument that we the public would not freely give and can not be trusted is blown out of the water by the tsunami and Haitian donations.
We need less state meddling, not More Dave.
There are major advantages to a Tory government. First, the entire Shadow Cabinet will be so sidelined by Natalie Rowe for the first year that they won’t have time to mess with us. Secondly, Osborne will greatly develop economic relations with South America.
She has a tough decision to make of when to release her book. It will make more money after the election if the Conservatives win but if they lose then it would have been far more lucrative to have released before the election.
Win or Lose, South America will not lose out in trade from George and his rich snorting friends.
And of course we should all trust every word this slapper comes out with (in return for a million from the Mirror.)
GORDON BROWN’S government is “weak” and “dysfunctional” with a “strategic gap” at its heart, Britain’s top civil servants have warned, in a devastating critique of the state of Whitehall. A report, based on the testimonies of 60 senior civil servants, has found that Downing Street and the Treasury “have few tools beyond the brute force of political edict”.
The analysis by the respected Institute for Government, which is funded by Lord Sainsbury, Labour’s largest donor, concludes that despite Downing Street’s grip on power, there is a “conspicuous lack of a single coherent strategy for government”.
In an ominous warning for the governance of Britain, it warns that there must be a wholesale reform of Whitehall if it is to function properly after the general election.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6991086.ece
Its a Sainsbury/Labour funded organisation. This is an internal labour party wheeze to loose the next election just like the Hoon call for Brown to resign.
Both main parties are desparate to loose the election cos the numbers are so bad.
Whichever party gets in next will be knackered by the policies they will have to adopt to cope with the debts we now have.
This is also why they want the Libs involved, so they can blame them when it goes tits up.
That makes soooooo much sense.
The only party that is truly committed to the policies that could turn this around are UKIP.
Step ONE is get out of the EU
Step two is to free small and medium sized businesses from over burdensome red tape and taxes,
step three is free individuals from over burdensome taxes
step four is slash the size and scope of the state.
step five is encourage businesses that can export to get foreign investment to get money INTO this country.
Good point, but do you mean “lose” rather than loose?
Whilst we would all like to see the tax rises rolled back, given the God awful mess they have made of the economy, how on earth can anyone expect a tax cut?
The answer to that is obvious – by being one of Daves donors. Lord Cashcroft is already exploring the opportunity for negative tax rates.
Off topic I know but can someone familiar with English Criminal Law confirm the law regarding the possession of Knifes in ones own home. It is reported that Myleen Class was rebuked by the Police for arming herself with a household knife when she discovered intruders on her property. Threy are reported to have told her that possesession of a knife in thse circumstances is a criminal offence.
Now up here in Scotland I know that this IS NOT the case .
I suspect that this is also the case in England and that the Police “advice” was WRONG.
The press dont seem to be concerned about checking this out.
Can someone please enlighten me.
Plod was trying to scare her into agreeing to a full internal cavity search.
‘Independent taxation for married women – introduced in April 1990 – broke up the marriage as far as the taxman was concerned. Partners were assessed separately, making the assumption that the man was the principal breadwinner largely untenable.’ That was a Tory government remember.
Maastrich treaty,Crown prosecution service,police and criminal evidence act,child support agency. all under the Tories.
I thought the tories were saying “transferable”
so it would help couples with a stay at home or sick partner and thus reduce the reliance on benefits/tax credits
i.e. allow you to spend your own money rather than the government taking it from you and allocating it to unaccountable schemes
I’ve written this more than once but will do it again.
Why is it that this website attracts such a high proportion of abusive, irrelevant, nonsensical contributions? Are these idiots simply trying to improve upon each other’s stupidities? Are they Trojan Horses (Asses) for their political parties?
Whatever, it is a pity that one has to wade through their rubbish to find the nuggets of sense and relevant discussion.
Sad, sad, indeed.
I can’t speak for others but the reason I combine my intellectual policy based comments with obnoxious ones is to prevent the party trolls from gaining traction and dominating this place during the election campaign.
it works like a fucking charm.
maybe if you were not so dim you would have figured it out?
ps if you do not like it here alan fuck off.
Yeah, fuck off Alan you grim, humourless, po faced сunt.
you can fuck off aswell you wanker.
Get stuffed.
fuck off back to Beligium you tourist wanker
yes, why don’t you as well tit brain?
you have no intellectual comments to make you ignoramous-just a diddy with a loud mouth
stop talking to yourself, it is a sign of madness.
you would know all about that being a sucidal psychopath?
and you would know all about that being a suicidal psychopath?
see how when thick as thieves comments his bitches come running.
you are loyal slags and your loyalty will be rewarded.
in hell.
you are not interested in bitches when you take it up your dirty hole on a daily basis.
No dear boy, its the boyz for you intit?
Tat, I have arrived at the inescapable conclusion that you are Kenneth Williams, writing from beyond the grave.
Sir, I will take that as a compliment.
thankyou.
Yes-fucking dead bender with a large asshole…………..that just about sums him up.
Quite observant Tony-keep it up-you know top-diddy does (keep it up) heeeee haaaaaaaaw!
said the defeated troll.
you have made a complete fool of yourself today.
good work!
You mean I took the complete pish out of you -AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT
Speak for yourself, I don’t.
Well thickas, you’ve taken a severe thrashing today my son.
that must be some strong acid you’ve taken motherfucker.
you must be thieftaker’s boyfriend, right?
It’s a deliberate ploy to deter sensible voters from visiting the site. It would be good if the stupid posts could be deleted at source or colour coded to skip.
It needs a positive and negative ‘rec’ system. Although that too is, I suppose, also prone to distortion by trolls.
raise the personal allowance, and simplify the income tax system. consider a flat rate income tax as a future option.
work from a premise to raise revenues not act as if you are looking to reduce the tax base through headline grabbing socialism.
the tax burden becomes higher on the rest of us if bankers relocate.
and tax ‘e’s and legtimise their use.
Wake up you lot and stop dreaming about your expense fiddles and hyper-pensions. The crisis in Haiti is a great opportunity to showcase me as a world statesman. I know the White House is accusing us of harassmnet but it’s important to link me with Obama. Get on the blower to McGuire and tell him to write some stuff about Obama contacting me for advice on how to deal with the situation. Remember to tell McGuire he’s got to mention me and Obama in the same sentence as many times as possible. We can’t trust those fuckers to vote for us just because we shower them with welfare benefits. And remember I need my medication. Every hour, on the hour.
I fear that David Cameron’s campaign has simply failed to lift off.
He seems to believe that by making no hostages to fortune he can get elected without promising anything to the electorate, relying on the obvious hatred many people have for New Labour.
This strategy is making him look soft, lacking in principle, and semi-detached.
Expressing support for motherhood and apple pie is not going to convince people that he is sufficiently radical to tackle the steep decline that the UK is in.
He should abolish inheritance tax on the grounds that we should not be grave robbing to pay our bills, and eliminate the 50% tax bracket. If he is serious about green issues,increasing VAT to 25% will inhibit the excessive consumption that has characterised our society for a long time. Imposing a 10% cut on all government expenditure would demonstrate resolve to live within our means.
Action,not sophistry is required to save the UK from ignominy.
114, VAT at 25% would be an attack on the poor. You DO understand that, don’t you?
The other measures will create jobs and hence give more opportunity for the poor.Failure to act on the crucial economic issues will create greater poverty than doing what is right for the future.
That’s News says:
January 17, 2010 at 3:42 pm
114, VAT at 25% would be an attack on the poor. You DO understand that, don’t you?
Reply
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Fuck the poor!
VAT is the worst possible tax. If you want to cut down on excessive consumption cut down on rules that favour being in debt over being in credit.
At this rate the election campaign is turning into a tax accountants cross arm boogy.
Nothing from Cameron On Crime,Immigration,Europe,education reform,climate bollocks,war on terror.
You know why of course?
He will be the fucking same as New Labia.
Labour are doing him a favour by being so shit. Cameron will win without the need for lying about policy which would require U turns later on.
This election is the most important in our lifetimes.
A chance to shake up Parliament and wrest overall control from the LibLabCons.
I shall do my bit by voting UKIP.
Your bit of what? Ensuring Labour wins again?
You want bluLabour?
I’d just like to say thanks to Guido for confirming that he is actually a libertarian and not just a Tory attacking this appallihg government under the guise of libertarianism.
It pays to be cynical about motive in politics as I’m sure Guido will know but as a libertarian mysef who desperately wants ‘gubb’ment’ booted out of the vast majority of activities they are currently involved in and compelled to return to basic administration rather than interfering needlessly in the lives of citizens I am delighted with the above post.
Over the last couple of years Guido has been one of the very few commentators in Britain to attempt to hold these public servants to account and I look forward to seeing the next Tory administration squirming under the spotlight shone by Guido on that bloody tragic old farts club by the river.
Round of applause I think.
gordon brown -the biggest liar the world has ever seen!!!!!
a ‘man’ who would do or say anythingto remain in power……..
everyone hates him……..yet he brings back mandy the we hear blair is coming back!!!!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243837/Secrets-Gordon-Brown-s-Fund-With-No-Name-oust-Tony-Blair-PM.html
how can anyone trust this pile of shit?
and why does he think he is so great?
i want to know the REAL AGENDA!
all this man has ever done is piss money down the drain to win votes……and what a paradise the uk is under labours ‘leadership’………..
massive debt,declining wages+jobs,ludicrous immigration etc……….
and the Hunt has the front to talk about ‘owning bigger houses’!!!!!!!!!!
shall we just print the money like you do Gordon?
so what is Browns real aim? a failed lecturer at a tech college!
a supposed jounalist?
ffs! he can’t even spell!!!!!
a tv producer?
ever seen one of his programmes?
and the tories? what will they do to sort out the mess?
Broon iz a shit LIE LIE SHIT SHIT LIE LIE SHIT SHIT LIE SHIT
If you’re the mercantilist KGB funder of Browns college stay then he hasn’t failed.
Watching Balls on the Politics Show. Can’t decide if he makes my blood boil more or less than Brown. It’s a close run thing.
Balls = Brown’s favourite toady. Smithers to his Mr Burns.
Conservative High Command are ignoring Guido’s keen ear for populism ?
Shurely shome mishtake?
This is the same Mr Fawkes who thinks the Bankers are persectuted, misunderstood and hard done by
Wildly popular and damned fine stuff
The truth is The City needs to have their balls dipped in Gold by you serfs and that should be Official Conservative Party Policy
You’ll be trying to tell me scrapping the NHS isn’t wildly popular either next
Poppycock!
As ridiculous as the notion that Afghanistan won’t be a splendid vote winner for the next 5 years
Phillip Hammond seems to have summed it up perfectly:
“One minute Gordon Brown’s a class warrior, the next he is a friend of middle Britain.
“Middle Britain won’t forget that it was Gordon Brown who destroyed their pensions, increased their taxes and crippled social mobility.
“The idea that a man who has spent his whole career at war with the middle classes can be their champion is laughable.”
I am so glad that Hammond promised to reverse Brown’s taxes. Oh dear, I have just woken up, Gideon is still going to impose brown’s taxes. Can someone remind us why we should vote Tory since they are just going to give us more of the same?
“One minute Gordon Brown’s a class warrior, the next he is a friend of middle Britain.” All the time he’s a c*nt.
Because, 242, they are not Labour. Simples!
You are right, they are not NuLabour, they are BluLabour. HTH!
How can you all be so fuckin stupid? All they want to do is win the election, any of them. Whatever they say or even promise ain’t gonna happen any way. You are better off wiping your arse with any manifesto document;you’ll get more use out of it that way. Then you can hand it back to the originators.
We are in so much debt that the markets will determine what happens anyway. So all this is entirely academic. Absolute chicken shit!
Agreed. Voting for any main stream party now is like putting your hand in the fire for the 100th time and not expecting it to get burnt this time round.
Only two options come Election Day:
A) Vote for anti-establishment parties
B) Boycott the ballot box
(C) Vote for a party likely to form a sane majority government
read this and weep…. can you imagine the fuss if a white middle class headmistress at a christian school slapped a child? Slapping is BANNED in schools…so..why not in muslim religeous schools? When will this utterly contemptable government – and Balls in particular – learn that everyone must be treated the same? This issue will come back to haunt them at the polls….yes..jack straw may get back in…..I wonder why?…. but they are condeming dozens more of their MPs to oblivion as the people rise up against this favouritism.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243871/Double-standards-row-Ed-Balls-refuses-ban-smacking-mosque-schools-avoid-upsetting-Muslim-sensitivities.html
Balls is a patronising racist.He’s treating Muslims as inferior by applying lower standards to them.
So what Ball’s is saying here is You can’t beat children between 9am and 5pm
So under Lie-Bore Child Beaters have to work unsocial hours !
which must add to the stress ,So Thats OK Then !
Can i go out and marry a child ? No
Can i have several wives ?
No can i preach hatred ? No
Can i claim full benifits because i am unemployable because i have to stop work to pray 5 Times a day ? No !
222, That’s a bloody good point. It is a form of racism, isn’t it?
Muslims seem unofficially exempt, just like the law on bigamy.
Will Cast Iron Dave also turn a blind eye to muslims breaking the laws of this country because of political expediency?
Now they are here no party seems to want to question them
they are treated with “kid gloves” just incase we radicalize more of them !
surely the way forward is “If You Don’t Like Our Country And Our Rules” Then FUCK OFF To a Country That Suits You !
Of course he will he has ‘the most powerful muslim woman in britian’ in his party after all.
In what way does it adversely affect your life if a Muslim decides to have 4 wives?
‘cos I’ll start ranting about how everyone should be able to do that it’d be great and then realise that it’s my girlfriend that who is in the room and then she’ll decide that it wouldn’t be great and neither will sex tonight.
That’s what way.
Because societies with an excess of unmarried males tend to become tribal hell holes (see entire middle east)?
When in Rome do as the Romans however this is not Rome
Expect to see Dave, in his socks, in a mosque, paying homage to Allah at least once a day during the election campaign.
Iraq inquiry: Jack Straw’s warnings to Tony Blair revealed
Jack Straw, then the Foreign Secretary, told Tony Blair in 2002 that military action to topple Saddam Hussein would be illegal, unpopular and unwise.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/7010859/Iraq-inquiry-Jack-Straws-warnings-to-Tony-Blair-revealed.html
Mr Straw also raised serious doubts about the fundamental wisdom of removing Saddam by force, and suggested that toppling him would not necessarily lead to a better regime in Baghdad.
“We have also to answer the big question — what will this action achieve? There seems to be a larger hole in this than on anything,” he said.
“Most of the assessments from the US have assumed regime change as a means of eliminating Iraq’s WMD threat. But none has satisfactorily answered how that regime change is to be secured, and how there can be any certainty that the replacement regime will be better.”
So the pressure is on Bliar?
…and Jack Straw lead Brown’s leadership campaign
Blair,Brown,Straw,etc. gambled and lost.Now they must pay.
Question: What will the Tories do to:
Reduce inheritance tax
Reduce income tax on the poor
Curtail the expanding police state
Bring the troops home
Secure our soverignty
End the debt slavery imposed by central banks?
Answer: NOTHING!!!
Irrelevant, India’s new aircraft carrier fund is ringfenced.
So Cameron is going to cut everything governmental while increasing aid to foreigners,
WHICH FUKIN TURD ON A STICK THOUGHT THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA EH??.
I despair I really do. Gordon is a useless tool with no ideas but fucking hell whats the point of voting for cameron?? I would like to I really would but eh??
Unless this is a trap for Brown to fall into? Like the last time? Fall into it? Hell! He jumped in with both feet!
Cameron is going to cut national defence. The first fucking responsibility of a fucking government is defence of the realm. And cast-iron Cameron will cut defence, and hand the money to “international aid”, the tosser.
Peter Watt
Inside Brown’s bunker: Peter Watt was responsible for ensuring a smooth transition of power from Blair to Brown
“Soon after I became General Secretary of the Labour Party, I started work on a secret project codenamed ‘Cake’.
This was the name we gave to plans being drawn up for swapping the most electorally successful Labour Prime Minister in our history for Gordon Brown.”
Fruitcake more like.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243766/Chancellor-Gordon-Brown-screamed-Ill-bring-sleaze-PM-Tony-Blair-night-Donorgate-exploded-public-view.html#ixzz0csDvzNJx
Gordon’s secret name for his leadership bid was “cake”? Someone please please tell me this is made up stuff!
Ian Fleming wrote a brilliant description of the Russian/Irish assassin in From Russia With Love, in which on the outside he is a hated-by-everyone dour and humourless nerd, yet he is not bothered by the isolation from his fellow man because “inside his head, his brain zinged with exciting and extraordinary thoughts” (or something like that). Gordon to a T.
Well Tuscan Tony, he toyed with calling it Biscuit, but he “Couldnae decide what biscuit to name it after, ye ken?”
Very good.
I think it should have been ‘cack’ at least it would have been more accurate in description.
Only Labour could dream up a plan to replace
“The Most Electorally Successful prime minister in history”
With The Most UNelectable Fuck Witt Ever to drag His Drug Addled Knuckles Across This Planet !
May You Reap What You Sow You Gang Of Utter Incompitant Fuckheads
Burn in Hell The Lot Of You !
So in summation they haven’t got your vote then ???
I’m undecided yet !
but thank’s for asking !
Mr Farage said there was “nothing extreme or radical or ridiculous” about Ukip’s call for the burka to be banned in Britain.
He said that the deliberate covering of the face by wearing a veil was a symbol of an increasingly divided Britain, and should not be allowed.
“If there is a deliberate attempt to cover the face that is a sign of an increasingly divided Britain,” he said.
He said the covering of the face was also oppressive to women, but conceded that “the enforcement of this is difficult”.
He went on to say that the veil “is acting as a serious barrier” to a united Britain.
http://page.politicshome.com/uk/article/4883/nothing_extreme_radical_ridiculous_about_burka_ban_call.html
The burka is a two fingered salute to western civilisation.
Interesting how the Nulabour equality sisterhood – who are so hateful towards those nasty white middle class male oppressors – remain strangely silent on this issue….
People should be allowed to wear what they want without inteference or dictation from the state. I’ve no problem with law-abiding Muslim women wearing the bhurka or the veil.
Traitor
How many are wearing it through choice, or to avoid a good kicking from brothers, husbands or fathers?
Or to hide the results of a good kicking from brothers, husbands or fathers?
Labour really are a bunch of spineless pricks when it comes to the muzzies.(Or anything else requiring a spine for that matter)
Ratsniffer spot on
What does Hatemen say about it?
err well Ummm little or nothing really
If Harman is elected Labour leader it will be her policy to make the head to toe burka compulsory for every man woman and child in the country.
When no one can tell the colour or gender of any person, discrimination will be ended at a stroke and every socialist will enter paradise.
You know it makes sense.
Isn’t it just!!
Two reasons: Race trumps sex, and votes.
Does AGW trump them all as the new religion though?
Double standards row as Ed Balls refuses to ban smacking at mosque schools to avoid ‘upsetting Muslim sensitivities’
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243871/Double-standards-row-Ed-Balls-refuses-ban-smacking-mosque-schools-avoid-upsetting-Muslim-sensitivities.html
So under New Labour not only are Muslim girls forced to wear sacks over their heads when they go out, it is also OK to beat them up when they get to school.
A small price to pay for getting muslim community leaders to be able to deliver the require fraudulent block votes for Labour in Bradford, Birmingham, Luton etc….
Oh! Would that be the electoral miracle David Blunkett was referring to?
Children always revolt against their parents. Most of the first wave of immigrants from the Middle East came here to escape from islamofascism. There children are questioning parental values by adopting hard-line values. It’s drain-pipe trousers , Elvis haircuts and miniskirts all over again. As ever, the really evil guys are taking advantage of teenage immaturity.
Their. their, their, their, their.
“Please vote nice drunken Nigel and not nasty one eyed Nick”
In Labours interest to promote UKIP whenever it can, why are the fekkers always on the BBC? stealing votes form the right wing of the Tory party and now attempting to prevent Labours core moving to the party which cannot be named.
UKIP = joke one issue Labour sponsored escape valve.
Scream this from the rooftops. This is no time for the equivalent of nerdy ‘Nader Traders’ to steal votes from the Conservative Party.
If you are talking about a right to buy council houses, I think you mean ‘financial’ mobility not social mobility. The two are entirely different.
If you want to promote social mobility the first thing that has to be done is to provide an education system that allows those with aspirations and ability to acquire social mobility.
I don’t see that anywhere in the LibLabCon manifestos.
Does anyone know what the policy of the LibLabCon alliance is on mobile homes ?
We had them. They were called Grammar Schools.
Essex and Kent still do, to the benefit of their property prices,
You mean the school has an admission fee based on the ability to afford a house in the catchment area?
No. It means that bright kids who grow up in shitholes like Jaywick (Essex) or Rainham (Kent) have a chance of crawling out of them, rather than spending the years from 11 to 16 being trained to accept the impossibility of anything different.
Dave hates grammars, they stop people paying fees to independent schools. The tosser could have brought them back but every step of the way he has stopped anyone in the Conservative party supporting grammars. Why is this? It is because closing grammar schools is a New Labour policy and Dave is Blue Labour. You cannot get away from the fact that Dave will do *exactly* the same as Brown.
According to Dave, he is going to stop anyone with less than a 2:2 degree becoming a teacher.
This guy is as mad as Brown.
don’t vote or even think about it, it only encourages them
I prophecy that, against all known odds, Gordon Brown will fulfill one of his pledges. He will create a climate for the greatest social mobility since the 2nd world war.
He will create a wave of emigration like never before seen.
http://cyberboris.wordpress.com/2010/01/14/jokes-of-the-week/
Sunday joke. After Jedward, meet the latest boy band duo. David and Edward Miliband……. Deadward!
What will Cameron and co. do for the middle classes?
Simples, cut the size of government. Cut it from day one and keep cutting it for the next four years. That will allow them to bring down the deficit. That will enable deep, sustainable tax cuts for all. Reducing the size of government will also make people more free and encourage economic productivity and prosperity.
Vote Labour if you like big government and hate freedom.
Even if Cameron does nothing else, he will reduce the number of MP’s in Parliament which should go a long way to eliminating the inbuilt bias to Labour in the electoral system.
Don’t forget it was only a few years ago people were predicting that the Tories would never get back into power because of this bias.
Once this bias is gone, the centre ground in Parliament will more closely the centre ground in the country, i.e. well to the right of Parliament now.
This may be our last chance for a generation to effect this change.
Simple request:- Will a polling organisation run a poll aimed solely at voters relying on benefits to determine how they will vote, if at all. Should add a little spice to the debates running up to the election.
They already do.
You have to be on benefits with nothing to do to have ten minutes to waste on the telephone to a pollster.
How many busy people simply haven’t got the time or inclination to talk to another time waster on the telephone?
How many people are approached but refuse to take part?
The pollsters should publish those figures too.
Guido
It is fine talking about winning over the middle classes…
But have you all forgotten the scale of the public deficit ?
And the imminence of a downgrading of the UK sovereign debt ?
How on earth do you think this can be avoided if you propose more tax reductions ? I think Brown has sucked you into his fantasy world …!!
Where are you all going to find € 200 billion or so of cuts ????
First things first for Gods sake…
Cut Scotland Wales and NI completely adrift.
and Brussles
200 billion will only stop the deficit, what about the 1 trillion debt that is growing and will not be reduced untill there are at least 400 billions worth of savings every year? Even then it will take a whole 5 years to bring down that debt.
Abolish the NHS and all payments to the EU, in 2 years Britain will be great again.
Dead right. Don’t forget even a 10% cut in all govt spending will only pay for the extra interest costs which will be coming on the trillion debt ( say 60 billion) – none of this interest figures in the books yet as the deficit this year has been financed by printing money.
A further 10% cut will only reduce the deficit from 200 billion to 140 billion.
We are going to have to wait a long while before we see any tax cuts.
I think the only credible policy for the Tories is across the board cuts of say 15%..(not sure that that is enough but dont’t have the treasury fugures – may have to be ? 17%-18% – and don’t forget there will be a small recovery in tax revenues…)
If not, all the fukcing government departments, special interest groups and unions etc will declare war on Downing Street and paralyse government…
Piecemeal mucking around/cuts will get no one anywhere…and endlesly mucking around and special pleading for middle or lower clases or unemployed will just force the IMF to dictate even harsher terms…
Reagan abolished Government didn’t he?
No wait, he increased it and was talking out of his pie-hole.
He won the Cold War, defeating the USSR and extending democracy. He brought undreamt of prosperity to millions of Americans.
In 2005 he was voted the Greatest American by a grateful people:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4631421.stm
I think you are the one who is talking out of your pie-hole.
Well what good was it to win the cold war when the thick Hunts in the UK & USA have elected communists to power.
thou speak’st false.
the great thick as thieves does not use his ancronym on week-ends either you fucking dunce.
you are as dull as night.
Ist thou speaking to thine lord?
Thieves, you warcraft homnast!
On the Politics Show, Vince Cable was really cheeky about Boris Johnson!
Vince was talking about the situation re. bankers’ bonuses and he is probably ticked off that Boris got it right, and also Boris spoke out strongly first.
http://cyberboris.wordpress.com/2010/01/15/boris-bashes-darling/
Now now Vince, no need to be jealous! Boris got there first, fair does.
Is that gordon’s sister?
http://www.daylife.com/photo/01ry4Ac8nZ3Ag?q=gordon+brown
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.asylum.co.uk/media/2010/01/dougal_cameron.jpg
I Will Never Vote For Any Of The Big Three Parties Ever Again ! They are just utter scum
I’m going to vote for the most obscure Knob Head i can find
Some one who stands for the most stupid things imaginable
like banning dogs from pissing on lamp posts or banning the use of mobile phones in public or free mars bars for the over 60′s or over taking lanes on footpaths if we all did that it would make politics fun again !
How did you get hold of our manifesto ?
LOL !
What will the Tories do for the Middle Classes?
Hopefully ensure that we never again have to suffer a Labour Government.
As good a reason not to vote anything but Tory on this occasion.
Not much of a rightie are you, want to vote for Cameron’s bluLabour. Vote for a real Conservative!
http//www.daylife.com/photo/ObdC9aObXHgfK
if this appears it would make a cracking caption competition !
he really is mental !
The working class can kiss my arse
The sad truth is, gordon’s working class is those drawing benefits.
He and bliar, in their twelve years in government, have turned right and wrong on its head. Anyone who now works is despised, taxed and vilified by this government and those living on welfare are living the life of riley , courtesy of this labour government and our taxes !
This can be said of ALL three Big Parties
They See All the money being given out in benifits
and decided to have a large cut for themselves
Utter Scum !
Labour’s untouchable/subhuman class more like. They aren’t ‘working class’.
Or voters…
I have to agree, glass backed free loaders don’t work, probably never will nor their kids ,their kids kids etc etc unless someone is brave enough to tackle this cancer on society then it will just get worse. I am working class, I get up every morning at 6 and go to work 5 days a week, never claim for anything and rarely use the NHS. My Dad was a engineer and my Mum was a nurse and I’m a self employed cabinet maker , I take pride in my work and the money in my bank was earned by me, not a handout or a credit card.
I’ll vote for the party that does something about ‘Jeremy Kyle’ generation.
WELCOME TO THE GUESS WHEN I’M FUCKING LYING GAME
Compere: The object of this game is to “beep” when you think our contestant is lying. Our first contestant this evening is Gordon Brown. Off you go Gordon…
Gordon Brown: ““In 1997, my predecessor and friend, Tony Blair….”
BEEP!
Compere: Sorry Gordon, but you lied for fucking sure there man.
That cnut Brown said to all us old folk,
“Turn up the heating, keep yourselves warm, don’t worry about the bills.”
Well who the f*ck is going to pay them, certainly not him or his corrupt government. I just hope that I am still around when he gets turfed out and slits his wrists the pile of putrid puss.
335, my wife -though only in her 40s- suffers from arthritis and we need to keep our house warm. The bills are going to be bloody big, so I know where you are coming form.
It’s why I work day and night to get some extra income.
I wish you good luck for 2010, I really do think we are going to need it.
I bought myself 20 bottles of champagne to lay down this Crimbo.
Almost 3 years in. Will take this stuff to the end.
I eat cheese again and can drink cows milk and the occasional coffee!
Thats News, I have posted a cure for the Arthritus that WORKS!
Hope it comes out of moderation.
Stupidly simple, totally effective!
Come back to check it out!
This works!
.38 magnum?
3 tablespoons in cold milk, or soya milk, or even in water, or on your cereal; it must be cold; twice a day for the first month.
Unless you are already taking Devils Claw, a quite effective remedy, a root from South Africa, the pain will increase for the first month.
part 3
google it Brown Millet!
After that once a day, 3 tbls in cold substance.
After 3 months you will notice the difference.
If you want to get serious to free yourself from this terrible pain then give up all animal fats, white wine, coffee and worst of all champagne.
this summer, nowadays with a large vegetable garden and able to wield the katana again I started to eat cheese again and drink cows milk.
I bought 20 bottles of champagne for christmas to lay down in the cellar.
I have a little pain, perhaps 3% of what I had, occasionally§
When you are mobile enough take up Tai Chi.
The whole cure takes 3 years, but it is cheap and ACTUALLY WORKS!
One year in and you will be sleeping all through the night!
Fuck a duck
part 3 of explanation is in mod as well!
willtrycutand paste
part 3
google it Brown Millet!
After that once a day, 3 tbls in cold substance.
After 3 months you will notice the difference.
If you want to get serious to free yourself from this terrible pain then give up all animal fats, white wine, coffee and worst of all champagne.
Part 4
I have a little pain, perhaps 3% of what I had, occasionally§
When you are mobile enough take up Tai Chi.
The whole cure takes 3 years, but it is cheap and ACTUALLY WORKS!
One year in and you will be sleeping all through the night!
part in between 3 and 4
This REALLY WORKS
When I first went to a doc he told me that this would get worse and worse until I died!
My new local GP, an intelligent Belgian accepted his 25 euro fee in packets of organic brown millet on our last visit.
he is going to check it out for himself
A quick look on google impies it is only avaiable in Germany, which is where I buy it myself!
Why is the United Condom so behind with everything? Do not answer this question!
I buy a very high quality Austrian brand
e mail: office@ urkornhof.at
Do not worry, at least half the office will speak good english, much, much better than any Brit chav.
Just send them the mail in English.
Brown Millet Flour from the ancient variety!
If the mod does noy let it through I will explain the details again!
This REALLY WORKS!!!!!!!!!!!!
Direct practical experience!
ancient variety? link please
http://www.blackherbals.com/sorghum_and_millet_in_african_nu.htm
My view though is that you should consult Culpepper’s Old English Herbals first.
There are one or two in there I’d like try on tone, gordon alastairc and edb.
Nell, I had already tried pretty much everything else.
Yes, eating lots of stinging nettles will work because of the high silicium content, but the brown millet, if you can get it, is pleasant, full of lots of other good things and has freeded me from a great deal of pain!
I HAVE REAL PHYSICAL MOBILITY AGAIN!
Off to bed!
It got through, any more details?
Big G
as others have said before, your mod system is real crap!
Come back and check it after someboby has demodded several bits.
you have the essential info!
Good try Nick.
Irrespective of what are the Tories going to do for the Middle Class the fact is that the country cannot afford to re-elect a Labour government for a further 5 years and hope to withstand the impact in the markets that that will have which will affect everyone not just the Middle Classes.
In the event that come the morning of 7 May 2010 the UK has a Labour government or no effective overall majority for Cameron the markets will go into freefall; sterling will come under tremendous pressure and the countries credit rating will be downgraded making it more expensive to fund the astonomical debt which is Brown’s legacy to the nation. The only thing that is stopping that is because the markets are hopeful that Labour won’t be in government come 7 May.
So the alternative is pretty clear – Vote Labour and the country faces financial meltdown or Conservative and whilst the years 2010 – 2015 will be pretty tough with higher taxes etc it the lesser of the two evils at this moment in time. So the question is do the electorate go with Labour lies and spin which will unravel within 24 hours of them being re-elected or vote for the the harsh reality that the Conservatives are telling them ? The nation has lived for far too long on credit and in a state of denial.It’s now time to face reality and start paying the bill cos the party is over folks and it’s likely to be for the next decade whoever is the government after the election
+++++THUNDEROUS OVERWHELMING APPLAUSE++++++
So you are saying that I should vote bluLabour Cam,eron and get
- More of the EU, not less
- Darling’s taxes (50% top band, increase in NI; and for the bankers the bonus tax)
- A bloated NHS that is guaranteed by Dave to get more bloated
- A cut in defence spending, so more of our boys dying in a foreign land for want of proper equipment
- More of our money going into “international aid” (see previous point aned ask “why?”)
- Nanny state telling us what we should eat and drink and smoke (see Dave’s plan for “public health” and weep)
- Green taxes for everyone, so you cannot drive anywhere without Dave taking even more money off you
Now tell me what the difference will be between a New Labour government and a Blue labour government? We need a real alternative, Cameron is just more of the same.
Funny that the BBC have made this the lead story all day. Why? Personally I don’t think people should get any money for having kids. But I also don’t see why a fat slag on a council estate should get handouts when a couple who try to do the right thing get hammered on tax.
People should get money for not having kids.
I had to laf when I saw SKY News interviewing a certain Edwina Currie on the subject of marriage and the family. This is the woman who commited adultery and then told the whole world about it years later to sell a book. Odious, odious woman !
Sounds just like EU agricultural policy.
I plan to get filthy rich by not having lots of kids.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7011346/Gordon-Brown-faces-questions-about-stash-of-Labour-money.html
So gordon raided the labour funds to make himself a private stash of money – details of which were kept in an undisclosed exercise book and never apparently audited.
gordon even ripped off his own supporters by diverting donations given to his own Labour Party into an account for his own private use!!
Never mind asking what the tories can do for the middle classes – let’s ask what they can do for Britain. And they can start by ridding us of this man who even cons his own party !!!
Little wonder the Labour party is fucking bаnkrupt.
I agree, this is a whole of country task, the next government has so much to tackle after these 13 wasted years. The class divide is a smoke screen, sorry for the quote, but we really are all in this together, it will take a collective approach to get us out, and we will ALL have to share the cost, but proportional to income. We have got the economy started again and a combination of tax increases (many already in the pipe), reduction is spending, government and pesonal, improved gdp to generate tax revenues and common sense of the people to tough decisions having to be made to get us out of theis mess. Action this day!
Typical socialist narcissism.
A SLUSH FUND?????
Gordon Brown faces questions about ‘stash’ of Labour money
Gordon Brown is facing questions about a “stash” of Labour Party money he used for his own private research projects.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7011346/Gordon-Brown-faces-questions-about-stash-of-Labour-money.html
Yes! A bloody slush fund! What an utter hoon Brown is!
Brown had secret slush fund to oust Blair, though he still expects Blair to help him win the election!
Public Money = Gordons Money
I’m voting for Nick Clegg at least he gets stuck in like a real leader should at PMQ’s.
341, oh, yes. He uses a special compound called Synth-o-rage, which he uses in order to appear very, very cross indeed!
He gets cross in the same way that a hand-wringing, limp-lettuce of a parish councillor gets angry, knowing that whatever happens will have no bearing on policy…
Brown is as brown does
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6991086.ece
“Baroness Uddin claimed another £91,000
On Sunday, it was reported that between 2001 and 2005, Lady Uddin had declared as her main home a house in Frinton on Sea, Essex, which is owned and occupied by her brother. That allowed her to claim £91,000 in allowances for peers whose main home is outside London, according to the Sunday Times”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7011410/MPs-expenses-Baroness-Uddin-claimed-another-91000.html
RACIST !!
Been busy hasn’t she?
Just seen on sky news that 25% of voters want to see Blair face War Crimes trial in the Hague !
after he gives evedence next week it’s more likely to be 75% !
I see Alistair Campbell is trying to worm his way out of the corner he painted himself and his master into at The Chillcot Enquiry. He’s written a letter to them “clarifying” his evidence !!!!! Just answer the Question “what was the material on which the phrase “beyond doubt” was used when referring to the existence of WMD’s ?
He didnt answer that one did he ?
Come back Andrew Gilligan all is forgiven !
What IS beyond doubt is the Campbell f***** up Royally the other day and this is evidence of the coming hubris. It wont be pretty !!!
The coming nemesis.The hubris bit is over.
Someone let David Kelly know…
ZNL is responsible for more needless deaths than the Haiti earthquake.
“Come back Andrew Gilligan all is forgiven!”
There is nothing to forgive – he was right all along as I think many of us believed at the time. He’s doing a damn fine job getting his own back in the Sun Tel – one of their (few) better articles.
Only 25%? The other 75% need to join him!
After warching Balls make a fool of himself on the politics show i suggest New Labour give him a new job makeing Wendy Houses. what a plonker he is.
I asked my friend’s little son what he wanted to be when he grows up.
He said he wanted to be Prime Minister some day.
Both his parents, Labour supporters, were standing there, so I asked him, “If you were Prime Minister what would be the first thing you would do?”
He replied, “I’d give food and houses to all the homeless people.”
His parents beamed, and said, “Welcome to the Labour Party!”
“Wow…what a worthy goal!” I told him. I continued, “But you don’t have to wait until you’re Prime Minister to do that. You can come over to my house, mow the lawn, pull weeds, sweep my drive and I’ll pay you £25.
Then I’ll take you over to the supermarket where the homeless guy hangs out. You can give him the £25 to use toward food.”
He thought that over for a few seconds, then looked me straight in the eye and asked, “Why doesn’t the homeless guy come over and do the work and you can just pay him the £25?”
I smiled and said, “Welcome to the Conservative Party !”
VERY GOOD ..AND TRUE
Nice analogy, but under Labour both you and the homeless fellah would be breaking the law. And you’d have to pay for a CRB check.
Thanks. That’s why I think I’ll vote Conservative in anticipation of being rid of lots of this socialist red tape such as CRB.
Ain’t it de troof though.
Think I’ll stick to Mail on Sunday online in future, had the misfortune to get a free CD from Macca in the dead tree version FFS.
‘New (Age) Labour’ really is the most shameful of governments. They have shafted pensioners and savers for 13 years. They have heaped taxes on and allowed living costs to rise exponentially for lower and middle income earners. They have not even tried to make the super-rich, getting richer each day, pay any more – little enough already since much is overseas or in tax-exempt schemes anyway.
Now they want middle-income earners to actually believe this bilge? I’ll say it again: they are liars and deceivers, cannot be trusted and certainly do not deserve another chance in office. In any case, if they were to win there would be an internal coup within a year at most and Mandelson would try to become PM (unelected again). Why do people think he did not push Gordon now?
The problem for the UK is this: do you have any more faith in the Conservatives, traditionally a party that governs in the interest of those ‘with’ and not those ‘without’? Why should they be any different now should they gain power?
Does anyone really believe that if, as and when the legacy of Labour’s debts are repaid (and not by the banks you may be sure!) they will target tax cuts at lower and middle income earners who have been so badly hit for so long? For instance, low earners see their properties hit with 4% Stamp Duty immediately a property reaches £250k in value? How ridiculous and unfair that this is not graduated. Yet would any government really designate a graduated Stamp Duty in 1% intervals from £250k, say 2% at £350k, 3% at £450k and 4% at £600k I wonder?
All I know is that the UK is finished, both economically and culturally, if we do not vote New Labour out now. This simply has to happen at all costs. They have deliberately but fertively swamped the country (the south-east of England actually and certainly not Scotland!) with immigrants whilst lying to voters, they have attacked and undermined every element that links us with our past in every institution -especially education!
While I give New Labour due credit for investing in schools and hospitals which I believe the Tories would not have done (because they didn’t before whilst in power for 18 years) I cannot forgive the quite grotesque and monumental waste that has occured and the automatic assumption that money is always the answer. It is not. Why is the notion of value for money always a dirty word for New Labour? And sometimes it is attitudes that need changing, such as ridding this nation of the dread yoke of political correctness, whilst simultaneously maintaining rights and dignity for all – as long as said rights go hand in hand with responsibilities, something New labour has no interest in!
I just wish I had more confidence about any incoming government. But New Labour? You must be joking, whoever is the leader. Never again!
claps !! Labour must be chucked out , its a fail . I always find it funny when those people who derided the right , start needing it when it all gets sloppy . They never do admitt oh i just hadnt thought it through . Perhaps its just been one of those eras where right wing ideas can be defeated . BUt this Labour/lib brain rot philosphopy cannot continue , its just a global self congratulating zombie inducing/producing machine .
Ruins fabian speech was meaningless , it was kitchen sink , hoping some poor sucker would clap , Labour are totally avoiding the real questions . As for the next government if they do not reverse the social and cultural mistakes , which are more about not having the guts to make institutions work , this country will slide off into poverty ridden hell hole that will only be recovered by the somthing far more brutal and pagan.
I hope things will improve but Davey boy wont be the one to make it happen. He “bought” by the globalist interests which have undermined our freedom and idependence over the last decade. Expect the next government to be more of the same regardless of who’s in power. Spending will go up, debt will increase, our interventionalist foreign policy will get worse, and the vast majority of people will see a real decrease in their standard of living, not to mention further infringements of our liberty.
Don’t vote, don’t legitimise the scam.
It’s totally irrelevant what McBroon says from now to the election. Everything he says has as much truth as his promise to have a referendum on Lisbon. Nothing happened to him for that lie and all his other lies and so now he can lie through his back teeth and if/when he gets into power again (which I hope he doesn’t) he will dump all his promises and do what the hell he likes – nothing new there then.
So what if he does get re-elected. Does that mean he can’t give evidence at the Chilcot inquiry? Why can’t he give evidence now?
Exactly !
Brown in front of Chilcot naked and without the protection of Prime Ministerial office is a thought that should dleight everybody.
Chilcot continuing with the Labour hierarchy powerless to influence events and with the enquiry gunning for them is just what we want. There will be no need to reintroduce fox hunting; there will be far better and more rewarding sport elsewhere.
Ole blinky is out of his depth in a damp patch.
The Conservative Party will do fuck all for the middle classes.
In fact we will do fuck all for any classes,we haven’t a fucking what our policies are
Au contraire, Peter Oborne seems to think you do George.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1243615/PETER-OBORNE-Yes-Cameron-DOES-plan-And-believe-radical-Maggies.html
What have they gained from voting Labour should be the question.
Answers would be welcome, I’m sure Brown would continue to ‘listen’ if re elected.
Yes I am laughing.
Whatever the Tories do to, or for the middle class, it will be socially and financially better for them and the country than anything Labour have done or plan to do.
Remember they are not ‘middle class’ by being stupid,clueless or poorly educated.They can figure things out all by themselves. They got a measure of Brown ages ago,now they are derided for getting to where they are, in spite of Brown and Labour, NOT because of them,they will come out in force at the election.Nothing anyone says will stop them,or the way they intend to vote.
The financial mess of the country is NOT the only reason MILLIONS will turn out whatever the weather on polling day.
Many will book leave for the occassion.
God I’d make it a bloody bank holiday.
As I type, Joey Jones is talking ‘Tory confusion’ over married couple tax breaks.
If you are married or civil partnership YOU WILL BE RECOGNISED IN THE TAX SYSTEM!
Is that clear enough for you Mr Jones?
What is so confusing about that….Oh yes…of course…the when.
When practical, when the state of Britains finances are sorted, after twelve years of spiteful Labour.
They think we are stupid.We are NOT!
We, the MAJORITY of the electorate were educated before New Labour got their hands on the education system.
I just loved Gordon’s promise of a foreign holiday. Does he really think, we’ll really be persuaded by that? Talk about scraping the bottom of a barrel. What a plonker (or worse)!
Of course they should increase the threshhold to £10,400 (divides by 52) and pay for it with a VAT increase.
Why shouldn’t they just do it – without attribution to Liberals or anyone else.
Vote Labour ‘cos the Tories are baby eating shit fuckers who will boil your granny’s down to make glue. End of.
Vote Tory ‘cos the Liebores are shit eating baby fuckers who will glue your granny’s boil to make down. End of.
I had a date with a Chinese girl the other day and at the end of the night we went back to hers. As I was sat on the sofa she came in dressed in a see through negligee and said
‘ I am your sex slave, I will do as you please’
‘ I really fancy a 69′ I replied.
‘Fuck off I’m not cooking at this time of night!’
What did you say next?
We’re all on tenterhooks.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243836/How-BBCs-professor-journalism-improved-rivals-biography.html
fine upstanding lot at BBC
That’s it, knock the BBC, next you’ll be telling us man-made global warming doesn’t exist.
For goodness sake!
Marcus Pigshit, you are a stupid çüńţ!
BBC = professional liers.
Dave’s got no chance. I polish my penis with glee every time there’s a jump in the claimant count,the civil service and immigration. I think more lovely Labour voters. We’ve nearly got an automatic majority. I’ll be PM for the next 20years.
Nurse! Time for my sedation.
“Labour win needs miracle says David Blunkett.”
Glad to note he’s starting to see sense.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243917/Labour-win-needs-miracle-says-David-Blunkett.html
Blunkett is a buffoon who should have been prosecuted for misconduct in public office.
Blindist!
The only policy I will implement if elected is to re-introduce the hunting of foxes with hounds.
If the middle classes don’t like it then tough shit.
TALLY HO
TALLY HO
TALLY HO
and that is a cast iron guarantee
Oh yeah, you’ve hit on something the public are really concerned about there. Keep it up you tosser, you’re doing a great job for the Tory vote.
……………and I assume (correctly?) that you’re against culling the badgers which are passing tuberculosis to cattle – 40,000 cattle slaughtered last year – fecking disgraceful – twat head!
Or not, 431. After all, some experts believe that cheap and dirty farming methods are actually allowing cattle herds to pass TB to badgers. Thus they are culling the wring thing. Dirty farmers should be culled, not the badgers… My grandfather would not have farmed like they do. And by the way, he never allowed the hunt on his land.
wrong not wring.
You are full of surprises and ignorance !!!
You obviously do not have a clue
Please only communicate on items that you have some accurate knowledge
Re Baroness Udin on “Seen Elsewhere”, expenses, and UKIP on the burka……….
It would not surprise me if the impoverished Baroness took to wearing the burka ( before she arrives at court) and describes the ‘tent’ as her main home.
Sod new labour…….bring back hard labour.
This is one female who must ‘go down’
Thousands dead in Haiti, it was God what did it – the world rallies round.
Thousands dead in Iraq, it was Bush and Blair what did it – who gives a fkuc.
Some of us care.
What really bothered me is that the day they were trying to raise funds for Haiti , gordon was giving a speech talking, vacuously, about some mythical middle class that he wanted to take exotic holidays, buy bigger houses and and bigger and better cars.
Tomorrow he will be talking about calling an international conference on haiti hosted by he and Obama. He’ll be disappointed – Obama has already called one with President Sarkozy and it is notable that gordon wan’t even given a mention.
The world already knows that gordon has a very short political lifespan left. And they have no time for him and his wooden, sociopathic, embarrassing manner!
well said nell…Obama pays congenial lipservice to goon brown because of his respect for the brits…I am quite sure (despite many poster’s resentment of cameron) he will develop an extremely close working relationship with cameron..if that relationship leads to greater things around the globe then that will only reflect well on us all for putting the conservatives back in power. Global stage…clegg ? ukip ? greens ? and we know what blair and brown have done…simple choice…no the cons are not perfect..by any means but I’d take them any day above this shower.
Having seen social mobility in action for the past 12 years (Aka uncontrolled immigration) I do wonder what Broon means? – perhaps a Pol Pot inspired march to the fields from the cities to grow more food?
I think Guido has it wrong on council house sales -aspirational people bought them when they first became available.
All that’s left is those who cannot afford to buy them.They ain’t going anywhere -trapped by circumstances or choice at the bottom of the pile. Either way,another indictment of Labour policies.
blacks are worth more than paks.
What makes a human being worthwhile is not their colour – it is their honesty, decency, humanity and hardwork.
What are your attributes?
Bravo Nell.
“What are your attributes?”
I’m a stinking rich slave seller.
Rich?? as in bliar, mandy and uddin rich out of the taxes from we work ‘slaves’?
That’s an attribute??!!
Yeah. Is it ‘cos I is a black stinking rich slave seller?
Very clever – but still you see – your colour does not define you.
If you are a trougher, or dishonest, or workshy or uncaring or someone who exploits the rest of the human race without compassion ,which is what you say you do, that is simply what you are – your colour is irrelevant.
Nell, how naive you are, Google the Christopher Newsom and Channon Christian murders and read what those primitive savages did to these innocent young people, they are nothing but fucking savages,they go back 20,000 years in the blink of an eye, picture yourself in place of that young woman, it could have been you, bleach down your throat , breasts cut off,if you are white that is.
Go to the no-go areas of most American cities and see how your sanctimonious holier than thou claptrap gets you out of there in one piece.
I await your response.
You never heard about this crime did you, thats because the criminals are Black, if they are white you never hear the last of it, like the anthony walker saga.
Troll!
I will report you to the correct authorities for using my good name illegally!
Primitive savages huh?
What then were fred & rosemary west, crippen, nielsen and jack the ripper. What colour were they??!!
I’m sorry but you’re theory does not hold water.
Evil is evil. Some people just are – colour does not define that.
I am not making these highly racist and inflammatory statements, a doppelgänger has tried to smear my good name and reputation!
Then Charles you only have to state the obvious – as in evil is as evil does.
Evil/Financial greed comes in all colours and all classes, all races and all political parties though we have to accept that most troughers, here in Britain, have been Labour, in the Lords and in the Commons!!
Im using my good name, check the spelling. and i tell the truth , you just spout shite relentlessly.
As Chemical Ali in Iraq has now amassed four death sentences, that means the last three are going spare. How about Brown, Balls and Mandlebum ?
At least then something worthwhile would have come out of the disgraceful Iraq fiasco.
Now you’re talking. Let’s get on with it.
How about bliar, alastairc and hoon – the three who really launched the Iraq War and put our lads into the frontline, on a lie and, without the right equipment?
Why not. We will just ‘double up’ two to a noose. I am really getting a feel for this project.
FFS. Bliar has got to be head of the queue.
No, no, no. Blair last! I want to see the look on his face when he knows it’s real and it’s his turn.
If Blair truly believes in God and divine judgement, he will be frightened shitless.
His doom is accelerating rapidly towards him.
The worst possible scenario for the middle classes is another five years of Labour. There is only one way to avoid this, and that is to find out who is best placed to beat Labour in your constituency, and vote for them.
Simples.
Oh, yes, Gooey Blob! And none of this: “Ooh, I think I’ll vote for someone who hasn’t a chance of winning!” Then whining when Brown gets in and within weeks, Harriet Harpic takes over as leader of the PLP and thus, become PM.
Anyone but Labour. After doing so much damage to this country, they must go!
Yep thats the strategy. Anyone who doesnt put this into practice deserves another 5 years of shit !
Roll up! Roll up!
See the only living Dendrofem this side of Canterbury!
We’re proud to present Sair-Rah – Half wumman, half Entwife!!
New Labour – Good with Woods.
Don’t rush. Chemical Ali might be found guilty of even more crimes and receive even more death penalties.
You can shove the middle classes up your arse.
I want to attract the “toff” vote and not lose the General Election by much
Fair enough.
SKRAAAAWWWKK!!! TOFFTOFFTOFF!! KRIPPLEKRIPPLE!!! (squeetle) (yawn)
469 = <sings“Trolling, just trolling, oh how I want Labour to win!”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/7011206/Mandarins-attack-barmy-Downing-Street.html
The independent Institute for Government is publishing a report tomorrow , following a confidential consultation with senior civil servants at the highest level whch concludes that 10 Downing Street is rudderless, chaotic and dysfunctional and is frankly, barmy!! Their words!!!.
Osbornes idea of “social mobility” is a free spac chariot signed off by a GP and paid for by the rest of us.
Trouble is Beast what is gordon and balls real vision of ‘social mobility’?
The only social mobility they can statistically lay claim to over the last 12 years is the move of genuinely working class people onto long term welfare payments.
The growth of the welfare sector in the last 12 years,of this labour government, has been immense and the percentage of working age people in meaningful employment has fallen drastically. Why is that?
I dont care what they think, they have nothing to say that I wish to hear
McMental who gets himself locked in the lav and has to be released by Blair
Then Ed Ballbag, married to a tranny and still stuck in his sith form Keynesian fantasy world
Unfortunately, this is something we can’t entirely blame on this government, though they haven’t helped and should have known what their policies would do to company pensions.
Before Gordon Brown ensured that company pension fund surpluses were a dream of the past, it often suited large companies to pension people off “on the sick.”
Well run pension funds could become classed as over-funded and taxed on their surpluses. This was a neat way of carrying out headcount reductions without it affecting the P&L and the share price. So everyone’s a winner – yes?
Not quite. Many people who were fit to do less physically demanding jobs were condemned to the indignity of a life of daytime TV “on the sick”.
When Gordon Brown raided company pension funds, it left countless British companies with a deficit in the pension funds that they have been unable to resolve for the life of this government.
Now many millions of working people face an uncertain future in their old age, as they wonder whether their company will be able to pay the pension they were expecting.
So much for social mobility.
Surely being ‘pensioned off’ is preferable to being made redundant
As for a life of daytime TV, I don’t think Fred the Shred is watching the box right now
The reason that pensions have imploded, the reason that the FTSE 100 is around the same level as when Brown became chancellor, is that the profits made by PLCs which used to be paid as dividends to shareholders in the Thatcher years are now skimmed into investment banks, from which a large tax slice can be carved into the Governments coffers.
Each time a PLC is taken over, fees of up to 10% of the company’s value is extracted by investment banks as fees. These are hundreds of millions of pounds taken for drawing up the legalese. No compensation is paid to small investors when this happens. Investment banks also enjoy the lowest interest rates in the market, a cartel happily supported by the Bank of England. And if a PLC starts to do well, you can be sure a scrip will come along and dilute the small shareholder’s equity.
At no level are the interests of small investors ranked ahead of others, contrary to every other area of our national life where we recognise that minorities need special treatment in order to preserve them.
Public Limited Companies, which were designed to reward and benefit all investors, now reward only a favoured few, and should be declared unfit for purpose.
There will be plenty more social mobility if Labour get back in. Most of my family have already moved abroad- including my parents who didn’t fancy trying to live on their pensions over here. Now my kids are talking about jumping ship too
Where do I sign?
ON?
Try the local job centre
beast, you are replying to a copycat FFS.
such stupidity is not the beast’s fault I suppose, he is only an animal.
After Beast saying such kind words about you earlier and this is how you repay him?
See what a useless fucker thick as thieves actually is Beast?
We told you so.
the affable wolf barks its foolish wit.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1243827/Tony-Blair-Find-obviously-sick-children.html
…and I heal the sick and the dead.
The anti christ syndrome
Nell
You are the England that I was born into, my mothers generation
Glad that you ignore the filth that certain ***** aim at you. and that you keep coming back unbowed.
They shame themselves not you.
N
well said
So we’ve got tat, a parrot and nell the norfolk. All the ingredients for a great night out. Let’s party!
A party huh? And where are you getting your money from to party whilst the rest of us have to tighten our belts?!
gordon’s slush fund?
(tappitytappitytap) BOOGIEDOWN!!! (hic) (squeet) OOZEYOUZELOOKINAT!!! RAAAWWWKK!!! (ting) OUTSIDE!!!
Mr Slater’s Parrott rather than a boogie do you think you could persuade that motley band to play some mick jagger music??!
I always knew you where a hippy nell.
Will you be my Mrs Robinson nell?
I just missed that hippy age – how I wish I had had the opportunity to experience it!!!!
All the same the music of mick jagger, the monkeys or the beejees will suffice!! We can party to that!!!
No Tat I won’t!!!
Every young man deserves an equally vibrant young lady – go out there and find one and then have fun!!!
nell, excuse me while I laugh my tits off, but you put tat, young man, vibrant young lady and fun in the same sentence. WTF?
poxymoron you’re being a twit!!
What is happening in Haiti has shown, life can be unexpectedly short. Enjoy whilst you can – my advice to Tat stands! Be caring but have fun!!!!
nell, I’ll take your advice, but you know, it’s far to late for the tat man.
nell, I do not use my acronym on week day evenings or weekends.
the above cretin is a thief who has stolen my name.
they are probably a new labour troll.
it is rather sad really, they do not have the nuts to post under their own pseudonym, they are a truly pathetic specimen.
new labour scum.
but best regards to you and yours nell.
thick as thieves.
Quite
Aye. I’m just awa te gargle some porridge.
Guido I sympathise with the raising of tax thresholds to £10,000 but we are constantly told that this will cost £17 billion per annum. How will you pay for this benevalence?
The Book of Eli.
>How will you pay for this benevalence?
By selling dictionaries to illiterates such as yourself.
the labour party’s basic tactic has always been to cherry pick any announced intention policies from the conservatives and either brief against them before producing their own reworked version or just regurgitate the exact same policy claiming it as their original thought. The best conservative strategy to counter that ruse is to not be specific until labour are well down the election road and unable to confuse the public any longer. Nothing could be as bad as this bunch of tossers and this time unlike ’97 even the great unwashed have wised up to brown’s crap.
Its difficult when we all have to work from the same EU hymn sheet
Vote UKIP, get Brown. If Labour get back in, you have no right to whinge if you didn’t vote for the party with the best chance of beating Labour in your constituency.
The problem with a control freak is that when they loose control all you have left is a freak.
I’m not a freak…..
Recession? what recession?? If you are one of the millions working for national or local government then not only are you untouched by the current recession but you are hundreds of pounds a month better off by way of reduced mortgage payments.
Here is one way – raise the tax threshold to 15,000 and pass the cost on to all those in safe jobs within the non-productive public sector – a tax on government wage slaves – most of the buggers vote labour or are Welsh/Scottish tribal voters so no loss there!
Also, average public sector wages have risen much faster then the private sector over the last few years to a point where their average salary is higher than in the productive part of the economy. Now, these national, local and quango employees can afford to pay higher taxes.
Gordon Brown: “I think I’ll abandon our Core Vote and go after the Middle Classes”
Ed Balls: “A complete u-turn every will keep the Tories in disarray”
Alistair Darling: “You two are a right pair of nincompoops”
Gordon Brown: “It’s the right thing to do”
Ed Balls: “You tell him, boss”
Baroness Uddin caught in second expenses row
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6991021.ece
THE PROBLEM BEING THAT CORRUPTION IS EXPECTED IN ASIAN POLITICS, IT IS THE NORM.
So perhaps we should not be so surprised when they carry on with their traditions over here.
+++Laugh+++
Corruption is in the DNA of asian politics??
What’s the excuse for all our english and scottish troughers then??!!
They are all incredulous that we see fiddling expenses and selling cash for questions as corruption. In light of her own politicians it can be assured that she thinks she has done no wrong in our country.
I must play the Race Card again even though John Denham says that he has totally eliminated racism.
RACISTS !!!!!
Tell me about the Uddin Trust the one you formed with support from Caroline Flint and Margaret Moran about the time you started to build your marble palace. When the marble palace was finished the trust fund was wound up without ever being audited.
How much money was there? Where did it come from? And where did it go?
These scum are at it all the time – send her to live in Haiti.
No!!!! Not before she has been made to repay what she has claimed, wrongfully, from the British Taxpayer! And paid her debt to society hopefully with a prison term!!
have a laugh at gordooms skills at prediction!!
I predicted that I’d ended Boom and Bust and that I was a global financial genius so I got two right, didn’t I ?
What a greasy twat
He has been wearing the same suit for forty years
And the same grease by the look of it.
Lol what a tosser !
Hah its when the “Conservatives hold Haversham” banner comes up which is priceless. Prick !
Cameron deserves a chance to turn this country round…
what r the alternatives ?
politicians are not angels….nor devils….. just human beings somewhere in between but gurner brown is the exception to that gross generalisation…a complete wanker…shit on labour…. they deserve it.
i am sick of Labour’s ugly bastard lying faces on the TV
every single Labour minister is a piece of filth for being a piece of the demolition machine that Gordon Brown is operating
The Tories, like Labour, intend to deprive the middle classes of child benefit and and any other benefit they might be receiving and then tax them to the hilt in order to featherbed the undeserving poor. Like Labour, they also propose to fill our universities with the educationally subnormal, intellectually deficient and random foreigners and deny access to higher education to middle class British – especially if their parents are making the mistake of working.
At last I heard today on Radio 4 one of the definitions of “child proverty”. It means having to share a bedroom.
The Tories are lefties, don’t touch them.
No, the Tories are right-of-centre. Pay attention, will you?
If the Tories are best placed to beat Labour in your constituency, then vote for them. Anything is better than the present government. Those who advocate abstention or wasting votes on extremist no-hopers are Labour apologists who wish to see Gordon re-elected.
Don’t run before you can walk. Just vote to get Labour out, that is all that matters for now.
rearrange these words to describe your statement…..off sod!! If you want you and your family to live in a country controlled by these B******s, enjoy, but don’t me in.
I thought we were all middle class now?
Well – I was born to parents (father 1 of 10 children – mother 1 of 5) My Dad had 3 jobs – lamplighter, painting & dec and office cleaning – truly working class – no cars – no foreign hols – just bikes!
We 3 kids went to Grammar School – and did well – I rapidly moved “from working class to middle class” – had my own company which turned over millions but went bust with many personal financial guarantees etc I went bust – but eventually paid it all back (100%) – Many folk thought I was upper class which I obviously wasn’t.
So class(es) was I, and am I?
Please help – it’s exceeding difficult to get through the day without knowing !!
I’m not sure Messrs Brown & Balls would help in any way!
Oops – sorry
So WHICH class(es) was I – and am I?
Back off man! I’m a games designer
ONE RULE FOR THEM, ANOTHER RULE FOR THE REST OF YOU
Was I the only one to have a problem going in/out of “Thats News” at about half 7 p.m.?
If you came round the back, that was me.
duh brain…
At least you called.
There are so many stories coming to light now its just getty silly. FFS call an election you muppets and get the hell gone with you.
As Brown lines Blair up to play a role in Labour’s general election campaign, the Tories challenged the prime minister to explain why the fund had not been declared in the register of MPs’ interests.
The fund was revealed by the former Labour general secretary Peter Watt in the latest excerpt from his book published in the Mail on Sunday. Watt said Brown set up his “own personal pot of cash” while he was chancellor.
Watt wrote: “This was money we could not dip into since it was set aside for the chancellor’s own projects … The money was registered as a donation to the party in the normal way. But instead of going into the overall pot the cash went into a separate account which we called the ‘fund with no name’.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2010/jan/17/brown-secret-cash-allegations-peter-watt
It was his money, to do with as he pleased. Including buying his allies in the Party. Why are we not surprised. Mr Moral Compass indeed. The son of the Manse is nothing but a crude Gangster. IQ of 180? like to see him take that test again, not that he is in a permanent stupor from all the drugs!
Jaap Bakema says:
If Barroness Uddin is not corrupt then I am a Dutchman.
Finding a famous dutch person was incredibly hard, truth being I found not one. Unlike crooked Asians.
Baroness Uddin asked Her Majesty’s Government:
Whether they have made an assessment of the lessons which can be learned from experience in Bangladesh concerning the participation of women from ethnic minorities in public and civic life. [HL787]
24 Jan 2007 : Column WA236
The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State, Department for Communities and Local Government (Baroness Andrews): In the last Bangladesh parliamentary election in 2001, women candidates won just six of 300 general seats (2 per cent). In response to this situation, Parliament passed a Bill in November 2004 to reintroduce 45 additional reserved parliamentary seats for women.
These reserved seats do not represent geographical constituencies; rather, new women MPs are selected by the elected MPs, with a proportionate distribution of the new seats among the parties represented in the House. This law is valid for 10 years. The introduction of the Bill was contested by several women’s groups who campaigned for these seats to be directly elected and for the number of reserved seats to be increased. There are no reserved seats specifically for women from ethnic minorities.
Overall, we do not see strong lessons from the experience in Bangladesh that could successfully be applied to improve the participation of ethnic minority women in public life within the UK.
Good old UN – reminds me of the Dutch UN force in Srebrenica – 400 troops in a so called “safe haven” – allowing thousands of men to be massacred.
I know – lets send another rocket to the Moon or Mars – that should help mother Earth.
Obviously the moron Brown will soon be declaring himself the saviour of Haiti.
Brown – Haitied by so many.
What has Brown done with his promise to keep giving some of the middle classses tax back to them?
He has deserted his core vote again. The people who need the help won’t get it, because their will be insufficient money for accuartely targeted financial help.
The middle classes will still lose out because the administrative cost of collecting tax, collecting information and giving some tax back are extremely high. Once fraud and mistakes are included, two thirds of the tax take has gone and one third is left to buy votes.
No one wins.
You should be grateful that having paid all that tax as a middle class family with both parents working, that you are considered worthy enough to get some of your money back.
Labour in NZ pulled exactly the same trick. They still got decimated in the last election. The Polls were very similar indeed, but the anomoly was in their PR voting system. Labour are still reeling, and bitching about the new Government at every opportunity. the people are totally sick of their whinging.
I defy anyone to name one, just one, incorrupt Asian politician.
Gordon Brown.
He commonly calls himself “The Prophet Mohammed” (as well as “God”) ???
Mahatma Coat ?
why should every just-off-the-boat Hunt get a discount house when most people born here cant afford a 2-bed shithole for less than 5xearnings?
The amount of money that a low-income family is receiving in tax credits is much greater than the amount they are paying in income tax.
If you are earning £10,000 a year you might be paying £900 a year in income tax but receiving, depending on your family circumstances, several thousand pounds in tax credits. No affordable increase in the personal tax allowance will offset most low-income families’ tax credit entitlements.
This site now has pop-up spam ads, I see. Nice work Guido.
What Are the Tories Going To Do for the Middle Classes?
You asked Guido, so I will tell you.
They will do some things which are reasonably popular, and right out of the conservative handbook, especially during their first year in office.
However, they will over time basically screw the middle classes down to the ground, and then some, while blaming the last lot of dishonestly corrupt psychopaths, namely The Labour Party, for all of the extremely painful agony. They will get away with it for a fare while, as this excuse will seem reasonably credible.
In short, as I know you like to keep it very short, or at least your wife has repeatedly told me that you do.
History will repeat itself, only this time rather more horrendously.
Its not so much History repeating itself as Historians !
The historical precedent is with the incumbent Harold Wilson in 1964, who inherited a deficit the Tories ran up after a reign longer than Margaret Thatcher
With a majority of only 4 seats, Wilson could do little, but was popular enough to gain a proper working majority in 1966. But he continued to struggle against the tide of debt, and eventually succumbed to a devaluation of sterling in ’67.
A further decade of economic disaster followed.
These disasters will continue as long as there is no legal requirement for our Government to balance its books. This is not the case for local councillors who can become personally liable for profligate spending.
Gorgon’s agent lining him up for Come Dancing, Big Brother and dancing on ice…..in no particular order.
You saw it here first
Mandelson’s already booked him in for this summer’s
‘I’m a Calamity, Get Me out of Here’
I’m a fucken disaster, get me a spin doctor and a beard wife !
I used to be fucking broke after 11 years of socialism I’m now just poor.
I’m having an early night. The sooner I get to sleep the sooner I’ll see the Monday Morning Cartoon
just watched the politics show
does ed balls wear a wig?
I borrow Terry Wogan’s syrups.
Guido,having spent the day otherwise occupied I have come late to this discussion,seeing that most of your posters have gone off-topic may I be blunt, no social housing for any body whatever.
If you are blesssed with a vagina as all my children are,do not consort sexually with those who will not raise the resulting progeny with you.
Is that simple enough?
Or should I run that by a psychologist!
What are the Tories going to do for the middle classes?
1. One hell of a lot more than Marxist Labour.
2. Given time they can GROW the middle classes by way of uplifting the labour created underclass.
ive just invented a great game, its called snap, you play it with 52 funny looking cards, i wish i had a friend to play it with.
Lets play snap. Your neck, my hands.
Dont kid yourself you fairy, are you his boyfriend?
In the distant past, we had a foul, rotten and corrupt Tory Government which it was quite clear needed removing from office; so everybody forgot what they had been told about socialists, and tolerated policies they did not like in order to remove a failed decaying Government from office.
Look where it got us.
And now, we are in exactly the same position, and the Tories are doing exactly the same as Blair. They are maintaining all their little pet projects and doing the absolute minimum necessary in the way of necessary remedial action. Just enough to get elected.
The results will be no different. The train crash will have a different underlying cause, but it will still be a train crash.
The same actions will always produce the same result.
Vote for a party (whichever) that actually has the policies you support and want implemented.
Don’t be conned again.
The small number of right wing conservatives that gather here must understand that they are a diminishing breed as young William Hague told them all those years ago. The modern Conservative party is much more left leaning in it’s philosophy, and doesn’t believe in the old small government/local independance of their tradition. Cameron has all the same qualities as Blair. Impose “on message” drone conservatives from central control and mouth meaningless positive mantras so as to appear all things to all people. He is New Labour with a promise of fiscal competance, perhaps a winning formula, but that is the spirit of our age.
EU Socialists look forward to working with the New Conservatives.
I logged on tonight looking forward to the comments that would be forthcoming,what a letdown,all I hear is comments which should frankly not see the light of day and comments which are entirely appropriate to the issues being discussed.Anonymous seems to me to be one guy who puts forward logical arguments for what he is saying,others seem to indulge in dross.
A lot of what is being said on this site revolves around getting rid of this Liebour monster that has corrupted politics and driven this country into the realms of a bannana republic.
What is the means of recovering this nation to were it should be is a debatable issue,given that we now have the two main parties fighting like ferrets in a sack.
My opinion is we are now in a situation of do we trust the CMD party or do we trust the well known and documented Liebour party.
CMD says trust me,Mcbust says trust me,one of them has form,as anyone can see,the other one is saying trust us.
On the other hand we have the unmentionable parties saying we are the true representatives of british values.
Take your pick british voters, who do you really believe,gordoom and his unbelievably ramblings or CMD and his so far denial of what the british people really want,the choice is yours.
Conclusion is neither the Liebour party nor the conserves are interested in britain it is a done deal that we will integrate into a EUSSR nightmare.
If you keep putting flash ads overlaid on this site I am afraid I will have to stop reading it; not only are they infuriating but I have a slow internet connect (although it is supposed to be broadband) and I can’t see the proper page for ages. The little boxes are fine – I am happy to click them if they’re interesting – but overlaid flash ads will stop me reading. Sorry.
Click reload current page immediately and it loads as normal.
Apparently, stop many of them becoming teachers, according to Cameron.
Fugging idiot!
We had 18 years of a Conservative government, and not all of them were bad. However I can not think of one single thing this current government has done that has been anything but an utter disaster from start to finish for anyone but government employees. Nothing has worked, or indeed even looked as though it would work. Nothing, absolutely nothing useful at all.
We are yet again at the mercy of an incoming Conservative administration. May I suggest that we stock up on essential provisions and barb wire the garden fence? Oh I am sorry, apparently we can’t even legally do that any more.
There are many to blame for this situation, thankfully myself not being one of them. Please do not wholly blame yourselves, it is not most peoples fault. It is publications and news networks such as The Daily Mail, The Guardian, The Telegraph, The Daily Mirror, Sky TV and last but not at all least The BBC that not only begot this government, but have systematically conspired to nurture this son of the devil for so very long. Just long enough I may add, to complete their job of terminally bankrupting, therefore forever debt enslaving, the majority of the British people.
However for those who still feel no shame describing themselves as true socialists.
There is no point trying to con yourself or others into believing that this government is not a true socialist one. It may have done none of the things that it claimed it wanted to do in its last manifesto, however it has without doubt been utterly corporate socialist in all the things that it has actually achieved.
Marx was a corporate socialist sponsored, financed employed and published by extremely nasty, and very powerful elements within the British establishment/international banking system. Marx predicted the fall of capitalism in Briton and the USA, never ending international conflicts, as well as an utterly dis-functional society, and all that goes with it, many years ago.
Closely followed, as you should all surly know, by the effective nationalization, or socialisation of the International Banking System. Gordon Brown is a Marxist who has self-evidently been working for the exact same types of people Marx was working for. Brown and Blair have made Marx’s predictions a real life reality. What else did you Marxists expect? Did you chaps really expect what was essentially a 2005 Conservative Party manifesto to be implemented by a Socialist Party run by life long Marxists?
It is infinitely more easy to predict the winner of a horse race, when you know you have very important friends in the industry, who are planning to dope all of the other runners. K Marx, like HG Wells, G. Orwell, A. Rand and A. Huxley were not in possession of a wondrously accurate crystal ball, they were just very well connected.
In short, you got what you asked for, so why do you now complain so very much? The Gordon and Tony double act has now finally done its job.
The only question worth asking, is what does Cameron seriously intend to do with regards to saving what is left of this utter disaster of a nation?
IMO, not much, or much of the same. I hope I am wrong, but let us face our common reality as free thinking individuals. The signs are clearly just about as bad as they can possibly get.
Uncovinced by Nick Clegg , just amble along through the debt as though it wont affect anyone or anything , flip flop bendy narrative nearly was on him surprised Marr interogated him as much . So what does being a liberal mean ?? exactly I couldnt work it out either . The attack by balls and libs on marriage was unfounded , dont know why the libs choose to attack cameron on that , shot themselves in the foot, left one as far as I can tell.
Glad he showed that clip of the ruin annoucing election call off .
The economy cleary has a large ammount of unsustainable costs , so far the Libs.Lab seem to be on the line of taxation , but no one can explain any sort of end result . they are both failing to both defend and explain why taxation is insufficent if inflation kicks in ie there is no quantifyable description of how much and how long any inflation bubble will last . Yes cuts are not what we would want , but trying to pay the debt with taxation alone would mean a goverment unable to invest in core necessary goverment spending as any recovery occures . The libs/lab are making this curious case for some sort of high tax scenario will work out and i fail to see how this helps low incomes who always benefit from low taxation . there is also no mention on savings which would be good for us providing the banks can never drop us into it again. The question is perhaps how much the cuts determine taxation . Darlings/ruins flaw is the assumption that a large number of debt funded high income state payrole workers will pay the debt . If that is the case then you can see how much tax they will be forced to pay without the cuts bearing in mind that a 1% increase in debt interest charges requires a far larger tax increase , inflation is even more corrovise in a big state model where its unsustainable except by debt and you end up in the run out of money scenario again.
The taxation increases should worry no one is going to avoid the need for some where people will trip up is in not getting the cuts right . i didnt understand Cleggs radical new tax structure apart from its based on incomes divding lines and dipping a toe into class war . Darling is supposedly going to do a budget (runner) being as any chancellor with any intent of being truthfull with the electorate would have done a spending revue , it can only be full of yet more unfounded promises creating attention around its release , i doubt public will like the idea that those who built the mess now intend to make us all pay for it . trying to make the case of tory brutality vs risky socialist models all falls flat as soon as interest rates or inflation kicks in , cuts at least are safer as it lessens the likely corrosives and enables the economy to recover into a more real money construct , everything is fantasy and speculation based on them borrowing so much with no one mentioning the ticket price for a trip to fantasy land , aspiration will not pay the bills .
I get the idea that the budget will be upsetting a lot of promises which clegg is pre empting , what would clegg do with 4% intrest rates on debt ?? more backtracking on promises , pretending to be different will cost him dear when there are so few choices .
As if labour have not ruined econmy enough they now intend to play politics with a delayed and possibly innacurate budget to provide a voter edge , that is clueless about telling the people it will not work and has massive medium term national and sectoral risks that must be avaoided . what else can you conclude but lying then and lying now !
Going back to the question at the top “What are the Tories going to do for the Middle Classes”
Probably not a lot levy more tax and feed the city again.
This time will they remember there’s a country outside the M25?
Labour forgot that one.
The Liberals just want to shove immigrants outside the SE. This suggests they have failed to notice all the jobs flowed to the SE and when due to house price differentials no workers followed, immigrants were brought in and the English in the regions were thrown on benefits.
It really is time we put some thought into policies instead of listening to researchers and Political Party HQ thugs.
How do you polish a turd? Well you hire a make over guru. The Prime Mentalist is going to start working with Ms Lidgett to improve his poor image. Mr
Read more:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1244047/Introducing-Gordon-Browns-Carole-Caplin-make-guru-hired-soften-Prime-Ministers-image.html
This is going to be an unpopular statement here, but until the national debt has been cut to a sustainable level in a way that doesn’t depress growth, why does the Conservative Party have to do anything for the middle classes? What I hear repeatedly from various quarters is essentially demands for American-style pork politics – “me, me, me, I want something too!”
Well no one is going to get any pork. If some in the middle classes want to sob over the fact their years of support for the Labour party has got them into this pickle and they need nursy (Osborne) to reassure them everything will be ok by open-ended promises, tough.
The reason the Lib Dems have suggested raising thresholds by £10,000 is because they won’t get elected and are trying to get support anyhow, anywhere. For the Conservatives to do that would be cynical and a short-term vote grabber that would hamstring them in government by forcing them to back-peddle or lose themselves billions (10 billion+?) before they’d even started.
Demands for tax cuts for the middle classes now, come what may, are irresponsible, selfish and very, very snout-in-trough-esque.
*SNORT* *SNORT*
Apart from one huge logic failure. The middle-classes are not asking for money, they want the government to stop troughing into their wallet. Sorry Raj, it ain’t the middle classes who have been irresponsible.
Raj,
Guido is so right!!!!
What Guido says also goes for the working classes of which I am one. Those of us daft enough to have worked have been well and truly mugged by your dear leader.
Now buzz off and leave our Guido alone.
Any more of that jiggy uddin’ ?
It seems to be widely accepted now, even in his own cabinet, that Brown is completely bonkers. Until the election is over, be afraid – be very afraid.
Whichever party wins the election, there is no getting away from the fact that the UK’s public finances are well and truly fucked.
Taxes are going up whoever wins the election, and there’s bugger all we can do about it.
Now that Brown is busy trying to get the “middle class” vote by lying through his teeth, the BBC is busy trying to shore-up the “core vote” for him.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/2010/01/middleclass_war.html
Q: How many times can someone at the beeb say/imply that the tories are just a bunch of toffs in just one blog topic?
A: Fucking loads if Robinson’s blog entry is anything to go by.
I’m guessing there was a deal done by mandy at the beeb, along the lines of:
“You keep the core vote alive by portraying the tories as stupid toffs at every opportunity, and we’ll try and get some middle-class votes by lying to everyone else. Hopefully there’ll be enough stupid people to believe the shit that each of us are coming out with so that we don’t drop below 20% in may”
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How about what are the Tories going to do for England?
A: Absolutely nothing.
The Conservative and Unionist Party – continuing the British tradition of putting England last.