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	<title>Comments on: Bid for Machiavelli’s The Prince Signed by Peter Mandelson.</title>
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		<title>By: Porky Pies Mp</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Porky Pies Mp]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 18:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you happen to bid and win the book signed by Madelson, make sure the pages haven&#039;t got any brown fingerprints. Bidding is over £400 at present and the money goes to charity. If you have that sort of money why not give it direct to the charity and let the book be burnt in some incinerator which is the best place for it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you happen to bid and win the book signed by Madelson, make sure the pages haven&#8217;t got any brown fingerprints. Bidding is over £400 at present and the money goes to charity. If you have that sort of money why not give it direct to the charity and let the book be burnt in some incinerator which is the best place for it.</p>
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		<title>By: jgm2</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jgm2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Suck don&#039;t blow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Suck don&#8217;t blow.</p>
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		<title>By: jgm2</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jgm2]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fed chairman trashes Brown&#039;s economic oversight.

Suck don&#039;t blow.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fed chairman trashes Brown&#8217;s economic oversight.</p>
<p>Suck don&#8217;t blow.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Ned</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr Ned]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:16:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The only man made global warming is the Mann who created the hockey stick and by the men who adjust the raw temperature data to fit the theory.  The temperature data we are shown in charts on the news is NOT the raw data. It is compiled by people who have a religious zeal about man made global warming and they adjust the data to take into account changes in station locations, Urban Heat Island effect and changes in the types of equipment used in these station.  

Now it IS a fact that the raw data does need to be analysed and adjusted to take into account these changes.  I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with as having to take on pure blind faith alone the idea that these proven &quot;believers&quot; are not allowing their in-grained personal zeal and bias influence their adjustments to fit into a proven, blatant global political agenda.

In Darwin alone, a raw record that showed a 0.7 degree FALL in temperature trend over a century was changed in a bizarre and unnecessary way to show a 1.2 degree warming, with most of that warming occurring and accelerating in the last 50 years. 

This demonstrates &quot;fixing the data to fit the theory&quot;.  If a clear majority of global temperature data has been fixed in this way, then we cannot even be sure that the earth HAS been warming as much over the last 50 years as has been claimed.

IF it hasn&#039;t, and we need URGENT independent, open, public analysis and a full audit and data trail on ALL the stations to establish the truth on this, but, IF it hasn&#039;t then how the hell can these Alarmists, (who are so concerned about CO2 that they jet in to copenhagen to tell us NOT to fly!) claim that man is fucking up the climate, when the climate has done NOTHING out of the ordinary?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only man made global warming is the Mann who created the hockey stick and by the men who adjust the raw temperature data to fit the theory.  The temperature data we are shown in charts on the news is NOT the raw data. It is compiled by people who have a religious zeal about man made global warming and they adjust the data to take into account changes in station locations, Urban Heat Island effect and changes in the types of equipment used in these station.  </p>
<p>Now it IS a fact that the raw data does need to be analysed and adjusted to take into account these changes.  I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with as having to take on pure blind faith alone the idea that these proven &#8220;believers&#8221; are not allowing their in-grained personal zeal and bias influence their adjustments to fit into a proven, blatant global political agenda.</p>
<p>In Darwin alone, a raw record that showed a 0.7 degree FALL in temperature trend over a century was changed in a bizarre and unnecessary way to show a 1.2 degree warming, with most of that warming occurring and accelerating in the last 50 years. </p>
<p>This demonstrates &#8220;fixing the data to fit the theory&#8221;.  If a clear majority of global temperature data has been fixed in this way, then we cannot even be sure that the earth HAS been warming as much over the last 50 years as has been claimed.</p>
<p>IF it hasn&#8217;t, and we need URGENT independent, open, public analysis and a full audit and data trail on ALL the stations to establish the truth on this, but, IF it hasn&#8217;t then how the hell can these Alarmists, (who are so concerned about CO2 that they jet in to copenhagen to tell us NOT to fly!) claim that man is fucking up the climate, when the climate has done NOTHING out of the ordinary?</p>
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		<title>By: Dave "Austerity" Cameron</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/12/08/bid-for-machiavelli%e2%80%99s-the-prince-signed-by-peter-mandelson/#comment-372831</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dave "Austerity" Cameron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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It is with our deep regret that the Conservative Party has had to end in this fashion.We have done all we possibly could to find a solution to the problems but unfortunately time was against us.The &quot;cast iron&quot; leader  that pulled out just three working days before Prime Minister Question Time left us no time to redress the situation.In a time of recession it is very difficult task to tempt people or businesses to &quot;invest&quot; in a political party.The only feasible joke on the table unfortunately did not comply with the Speaker and my decision is final!!!]]></description>
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<p>It is with our deep regret that the Conservative Party has had to end in this fashion.We have done all we possibly could to find a solution to the problems but unfortunately time was against us.The &#8220;cast iron&#8221; leader  that pulled out just three working days before Prime Minister Question Time left us no time to redress the situation.In a time of recession it is very difficult task to tempt people or businesses to &#8220;invest&#8221; in a political party.The only feasible joke on the table unfortunately did not comply with the Speaker and my decision is final!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Ned</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr Ned]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 10:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[have you seen the latest insane ramblings of the deluded Al Gore?

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/08/al-gore-cant-tell-time-thinks-most-recent-climategate-email-is-more-than-10-years-old/

    Q: How damaging to your argument was the disclosure of e-mails from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University?

    A: To paraphrase Shakespeare, it’s sound and fury signifying nothing. I haven’t read all the e-mails, but the most recent one is more than 10 years old. These private exchanges between these scientists do not in any way cause any question about the scientific consensus. But the noise machine built by the climate deniers often seizes on what they can blow out of proportion, so they’ve thought this is a bigger deal than it is.

But wait there’s more…

    Q: There is a sense in these e-mails, though, that data was hidden and hoarded, which is the opposite of the case you make [in your book] about having an open and fair debate.

    A: I think it’s been taken wildly out of context. The discussion you’re referring to was about two papers that two of these scientists felt shouldn’t be accepted as part of the IPCC report. Both of them, in fact, were included, referenced, and discussed. So an e-mail exchange more than 10 years ago including somebody’s opinion that a particular study isn’t any good is one thing, but the fact that the study ended up being included and discussed anyway is a more powerful comment on what the result of the scientific process really is.

    These people are examining what they can or should do to deal with the P.R. dimensions of this, but where the scientific consensus is concerned, it’s completely unchanged. What we’re seeing is a set of changes worldwide that just make this discussion over 10-year-old e-mails kind of silly.

Earth to Al, Earth to Al, come in Al.

Despite the fact that some of the 10 year old emails discussed important issues like the 2001 IPCC report and what made it into it…the most recent emails in Climategate were from November 2009. Last month,  this year, earth time.

He clearly has not read ANYTHING on climategate at all.  He was too busy flying around the world by private jet promoting his latest lame and inaccurate book and buying up seafront property.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>have you seen the latest insane ramblings of the deluded Al Gore?</p>
<p><a href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/08/al-gore-cant-tell-time-thinks-most-recent-climategate-email-is-more-than-10-years-old/" rel="nofollow">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/08/al-gore-cant-tell-time-thinks-most-recent-climategate-email-is-more-than-10-years-old/</a></p>
<p>    Q: How damaging to your argument was the disclosure of e-mails from the Climate Research Unit at East Anglia University?</p>
<p>    A: To paraphrase Shakespeare, it’s sound and fury signifying nothing. I haven’t read all the e-mails, but the most recent one is more than 10 years old. These private exchanges between these scientists do not in any way cause any question about the scientific consensus. But the noise machine built by the climate deniers often seizes on what they can blow out of proportion, so they’ve thought this is a bigger deal than it is.</p>
<p>But wait there’s more…</p>
<p>    Q: There is a sense in these e-mails, though, that data was hidden and hoarded, which is the opposite of the case you make [in your book] about having an open and fair debate.</p>
<p>    A: I think it’s been taken wildly out of context. The discussion you’re referring to was about two papers that two of these scientists felt shouldn’t be accepted as part of the IPCC report. Both of them, in fact, were included, referenced, and discussed. So an e-mail exchange more than 10 years ago including somebody’s opinion that a particular study isn’t any good is one thing, but the fact that the study ended up being included and discussed anyway is a more powerful comment on what the result of the scientific process really is.</p>
<p>    These people are examining what they can or should do to deal with the P.R. dimensions of this, but where the scientific consensus is concerned, it’s completely unchanged. What we’re seeing is a set of changes worldwide that just make this discussion over 10-year-old e-mails kind of silly.</p>
<p>Earth to Al, Earth to Al, come in Al.</p>
<p>Despite the fact that some of the 10 year old emails discussed important issues like the 2001 IPCC report and what made it into it…the most recent emails in Climategate were from November 2009. Last month,  this year, earth time.</p>
<p>He clearly has not read ANYTHING on climategate at all.  He was too busy flying around the world by private jet promoting his latest lame and inaccurate book and buying up seafront property.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Ned</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr Ned]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[true enough.

This election will actually be about which party implements the EU dictatorship&#039;s agenda more faithfully.  The EU agenda being an implementation of the global government agenda, currently being pushed through at Copenhagen.

WE ALL LOSE in that agenda!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>true enough.</p>
<p>This election will actually be about which party implements the EU dictatorship&#8217;s agenda more faithfully.  The EU agenda being an implementation of the global government agenda, currently being pushed through at Copenhagen.</p>
<p>WE ALL LOSE in that agenda!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Ned</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/12/08/bid-for-machiavelli%e2%80%99s-the-prince-signed-by-peter-mandelson/#comment-372789</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr Ned]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you suppose the policies that lead to our recession were dreamt up on the playing field of Fettes?

Blair, the sell-out toff bastard!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you suppose the policies that lead to our recession were dreamt up on the playing field of Fettes?</p>
<p>Blair, the sell-out toff bastard!</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Ned</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/12/08/bid-for-machiavelli%e2%80%99s-the-prince-signed-by-peter-mandelson/#comment-372776</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr Ned]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Could you not smack her on the head, lop one of her eyeballs out and skullfuck her instead?

No woman could ever be described as &quot;the dazzling light of perfection itself&quot;.  You obviously have not had sex in a very long time.  I recommend that you have a good wank. Women will be much more normal after that.

Don&#039;t trust anything that bleeds for a week every month, but does not die!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could you not smack her on the head, lop one of her eyeballs out and skullfuck her instead?</p>
<p>No woman could ever be described as &#8220;the dazzling light of perfection itself&#8221;.  You obviously have not had sex in a very long time.  I recommend that you have a good wank. Women will be much more normal after that.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t trust anything that bleeds for a week every month, but does not die!</p>
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		<title>By: Geordie Scoot</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geordie Scoot]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:40:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would put up with all that for half his wealth.  BTW, has anybody got a copy of &quot;The Ponce&quot; by Lord Fondlebum of Boy, signed by Machiavelli?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would put up with all that for half his wealth.  BTW, has anybody got a copy of &#8220;The Ponce&#8221; by Lord Fondlebum of Boy, signed by Machiavelli?</p>
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