December 7th, 2009

Brown’s Cuts Are Trivial

Brown has just given a speech this morning emphasising public expenditure cuts and, in what is a huge victory for the campaign by the Taxpayers’ Alliance, he is promising to crack down on public sector fat cats.  Gordon also claims we are entering a new era where we will be able to freely access government data – Googling government.  Guido has heard that from that the Tories. 

The truth is Gordon can’t credibly claim to be the architect of a future of open government and fiscal responsibility.

Drill down and what is he promising?  £3 billion in annual cuts represents less than ½% of government expenditure.  Gordon is temperamentally incapable of taking action of the magnitude required:

Gordon’s big government bureaucracy overspends by some £3 billion weekly (‘the deficit’ is the difference between tax income and government expenditure).  Gordon is just tinkering at the edges…


546 Comments

  1. 1
    TheCourtOfPublicOpinion says:

    Ahh but beware the curse! Might be best if he touches nothing.

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    • 15
      Anonymous says:

      He’s replicating the Tories. Giving the voters a straight choice. Him or Dave. Deliberately going for a hung Parliament where he holds the power. Could work.

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      • 17
        barnaby grudge says:

        That’s if anybody gave a fuck.

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      • 19
        Steve Expat says:

        So what happened to the famous “Dividing Lines”, and “Cuts vs Inventments”, is is now to be “Nice Labour Efficiency Savings vs Evil Tory Cuts in Services”??

        Half of what he announced has already been mentioned by the Opposition, an open goal for DC at PMQs if ever there was one?

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        • 38
          Suffolk Punch says:

          Agreed – Dave should ask ‘what the fuck has he been doing for the past 10 years’

          Go at him for blantant electioneering – he couldn’t give a flying fuck about cuts – all he cares about is clinging to power….

          Brown wants to get personal about class – then go for the jugular dave – incompetence, power obsessed, over spent, control freak, unpopular, uncaring – blatent electioneering at time of crisis…

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          • Call Me Dismal says:

            Open goals are a speciality miss for CMD, he has missed every one spectacularly.

            Sorry, your man is hopeless, just watch him on PMQ`s this week, or any week, for confirmation.

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          • Al says:

            CMD – Who is your ‘man’ then?

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          • libertarian fake watch says:

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          • Socialism sucks says:

            If these ideas were so great then why didnt he do them years ago instead of 6 months before an election?

            all theses pay cuts are only for a year too, so its just blatant electioneering

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          • Budgie says:

            Brown does not get it (I don’t think Cameron does either, but that’s another story): it is not cheeseparing on the edges that is needed but wholesale cutting of (some) government functions.

            One simple move would be to exit the EU – that would save the economy upwards of £100 billion every year, putting our ongoing debt engorgement on a more feasible footing.

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          • TaT's 'special' Gay Friend says:

            Leaving the EU or asking us about how we feel about leaving the EU even, could actually be a defining moment in Cameron’s biography. The odds of him being so sensible and brave are a million to one. Just can’t work out why the Tories think being assimilated by the EU is such a good idea. I must have missed something very obvious.

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          • Webfooter says:

            No, more personal than that–snot gobbling, Nokia abuse, being fat, not sleeping with his wife, test tube babies, homo stuff.

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        • 64
          Grumpy Old Man says:

          DC will still blast it over the corner flag from 10 yards.

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          • DHS for RBS says:

            What part of ‘taxes are going up’ is it that some people don’t understand or refuse to acknowledge ?

            We know the cuts won’t be enough but will any of the Parties be honest and admit they are going to put taxes up ? I wouldn’t hold my breath.
            And I don’t mean tinkering at the edges with a few Bankers as the figures clearly show that won’t cover it either.

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          • ExEng says:

            And DC will be stupid to do that.

            The voting population has been trained over the last 12 years for instant gratification and long term unavoidable doom. CRU emails prove they are the party of “Doom and Dust.

            So the only thing worth voting for is the side that proposes short term returns. The proof is that most people in this country could not ever pay off their debts. And the rest play the lottery.

            So Labour wins.

            The only way out is for DC to start promising things that do not cost money and are against what Labour has shown to want.

            Suggestions:
            1. Every piece of law made in the last 12 years to be reviewed. All Gold plating of EU laws to be removed and minimalistic adoption to be the policy in future. Could be viewed as the first step out, or sensible by EU supporters.

            2. Personal data to be controlled more. No research to be done with data that identifies an individual. At present only the results can not identify an individual. The act of advertising to buy personal data to be a crime. All laws requiring personal data to be “given out” to the public/organizations must be changed so that the requester is recorded.

            3. All “trip up” laws to be removed. A trip up laws is like the one about finding a gun, in a public place, and discretely picking it up and getting to a police station. The person was immediately arrested even though it was his job to search the area.

            There are hundreds of other ideas but they do not fit in neat popular (Labour led) policy areas.

            But as we all know DC is a follower of fashion and does not have the guts to strike out alone and deliver a secure real future. He can only react to the fashion leaders.

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        • 254

          Actually Brown’s made himself an even bigger hostage to fortune than this. If I remembers correctly it wasn’t so long ago Brown (still Chancellor, I think) was promising to implement the recommendations of some report or other into government waste.

          If the old memory isn’t playing tricks I’m pretty certain he gave the public a cast iron guarantee that billions in savings would be made each year. Anyone seen those savings?

          Thought not.

          Cameron should ignore Brown’s purloining of Tory ideas and nail the bastard on his abysmal track record. Hell! I’ll even write his question for him:

          “Mr Speaker. Could the prime minister explain to this house how he will achieve the savings he promises in the light of his abject failure to implement a similar promise X years ago?”

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          • Gordon Brezhnev says:

            THEY are the Party of the Few; we are the Party of the many.

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          • Talwin says:

            ‘Some report or other’ = Gershon Report

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          • Boycott the Licence Fee says:

            Dave’s a smarmy ponce with no values, no integrity and no ability. Hague should rightly be the leader of the opposition, but the Party knows the plebs won’t vote for a bald bloke, no matter how much sense he talks. So you end up with another Blair clone. No hope for meaningful change from the LIb/Lab/Con alliance.

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      • 23
        resurgemus says:

        Gordon is mathematically inept as events have shown.

        He will put in his dividing lines but ignore the fact that there are more people on the other side of the line than on his side.

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        • 300
          Beezley says:

          A bold bad man, that dar’d to call by name
          Great Gorgon, Prince of darknesse and dead night,
          At which Cocytus quakes, and Styx is put to flight.

          The Faerie Queene, I i 37

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      • 79
        thick as thieves says:

        anon, yes there will be a hung parliament but that is not the topic of this thread.
        the fact is this country’s parliament keeps wasting its time reversing the very policies brown brought in.
        we do not need brown to remain in office to reverse his bad policy.
        innit.
        SOMEONE PULL THE TRIGGER AND BLOW BROWN’S BRAINS OUT FFS!

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        • 109
          Hang The Bastards says:

          CAN YOU GET THIS GRAPH PUBLISHED IN THE PRESS !!!!

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          • Anonymous says:

            “CAN YOU GET THIS GRAPH PUBLISHED IN THE PRESS !!!!”

            WTF, are you on about? If you do that people might be in danger of understanding the level of shit we’re in.

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        • 230
          red collar says:

          tat, you know as well as anyone Dave will get a comfortable majority, you disingenuous little berk.

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        • 381
          TaT's 'special' Gay Friend says:

          Despite being completely wrong on most predictions, and using your posts to not only lower standards, you are now failing to reach even the lowest rung of sensible commenting. Pity that you still have a Posse of Empathisers to offer comfort. I suspect however that most reasonable folks are totally over you, and your irresponsible comments.

          BTW, posting as me isn’t big or clever. Perhaps you spend more time at the Legion. You could bore them again down there.

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    • 44
      Martha says:

      So Martha Lane Fox is going to digitise Whitehall, what will she call it?

      LastminuteLabour.con?

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      • 63
        Steve Expat says:

        LaboursLastMinutes.con ?

        Reminds me of her company which floated on the stock market just as everything came tumbling down in 2000. They announced their results of income of 36,000 and expenditure of 56,000,000 – and on that news the share price went up!

        Much like Broon’s financial vapourware of recent months, nothing but hot air holding it all together.

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        • 76
          Gordon'slastminutes.con says:

          You just know it’s got to be a Scam if she and Gordon are involved. I dread to think how much they are going to fleece the taxpayer for.

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          • EC1 PhD says:

            Back in 2000, the valuation of a dot.com company was based on how quickly it could burn through its cash, the theory being that the faster it spent, the greater its ultimate market share would be and hence its future earnings capability. Based on that logic, the Brown government is now worth 23 times the value of the world’s economies all rolled into one. Trouble is, Brown doesn’t realise that his career has been one big bubble.

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          • EC1 PhD says:

            And with Mandy and now Campbell blowing up Gordon’s balloon, the bubble is getting bigger and bigger and is expected to burst spectacularly in the spring.

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      • 81
        RavingMad says:

        martha lane fox is seen as a bit of an idiot in city IT circles…….how much is she getting paid for this?

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        • 89
          Martha says:

          ” I don’t think you can be a proper citizen of our society in the future if you are not engaged online”

          http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8187305.stm

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          • C02 does not cause global warming,if you follow the facts – such as they are- you will find that there is only a theoretical link put forward by alarmists in the hope of attracting more cash to their cause. The earths climate has always cooled or warmed, look at the recent past. Don’t forget that up until 1975 we had a new ice age coming… It must be a priority to safeguard our environment,but we must carefully question how we go about that task.’Carbon tax’ is the new window tax.

            http://itsfaircomment-climategate.blogspot.com/

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          • Anonymous says:

            Just as well Itsfaircomment as internet Data Centers produce vast amounts of CO2 from all the energy that is required to cool them. Gordon thinks the internet is a green machine..it ain’t.

            Has anyone calculated how much energy the www consumes each day?

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          • Mr Ned says:

            ” On a normal day, Majken Friss Jorgensen, managing director of Copenhagen’s biggest limousine company, says her firm has twelve vehicles on the road. During the “summit to save the world”, which opens here tomorrow, she will have 200. “We thought they were not going to have many cars, due to it being a climate convention,” she says. “But it seems that somebody last week looked at the weather report.”

            Ms Jorgensen reckons that between her and her rivals the total number of limos in Copenhagen next week has already broken the 1,200 barrier. The French alone rang up on Thursday and ordered another 42. “We haven’t got enough limos in the country to fulfil the demand,” she says. “We’re having to drive them in hundreds of miles from Germany and Sweden.”

            And the total number of electric cars or hybrids among that number? “Five,” says Ms Jorgensen. “The government has some alternative fuel cars but the rest will be petrol or diesel. We don’t have any hybrids in Denmark, unfortunately, due to the extreme taxes on those cars. It makes no sense at all, but it’s very Danish.”
            ——————————————

            From the telegraph via http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/12/07/december-7th-2009-a-day-that-will-live-in-hypocrisy/#more-13815

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          • Martha Lane-Fox what a silly chump she is!

            Some anagrams of her name:

            Fatal Roman Hex

            Amoral Fax, Then?

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        • 91
          Steve Expat says:

          30 grand a year, for an unspecificed number of hours or days (1 day a week??)

          …and she’s not always played onside with the government line either
          Article from 2007:

          http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/martha-lane-fox-the-bionic-vixen-450535.html

          Following a nasty car crash, she said she was:
          ” lucky because I had a private medical plan.”

          and to follow on from Gordon’s Class War of the past week,
          Martha Lane Fox is the great-granddaughter on her mother’s side of Charles Henry Paget, 6th Marquess of Anglesey. Her father is Robin Lane Fox, historian and gardening correspondent. A pupil at Oxford High and Westminster schools, she read ancient and modern history at Magdalen College, Oxford.

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      • 207
        Bitch! says:

        Oh my God!

        “Mr Brown said the Government had received advice from technology entrepreneur Martha Lane Fox.”

        ‘technology entrepreneur’ – She’s a mong. Most of her brain was turned to mush (and that from the starting point of a small head) when she was thrown out of an open-topped car (probably while pissed or fucked up on drugs). The gormless thieving bitch was too stupid to wear a seatbelt.

        How much taxpayers money is this evil slag getting?

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        • 211
          Bitch! says:

          Oh yeah – is there not a single person in the civil service that can design and code a standard web site to impart information to the public? Must every initiative be crafted in tandem with some ‘celeb’ shit (like that fucking idiot, Alan Sugar).

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          • Licker of Windows says:

            ShelterCrisis.blogspot.com sums it up quite well.

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          • barefootcontessa says:

            The gorgon always has to front up his no brain schemes with a pretty or well known face, – it’s called ‘sweetening the bitter pill’.

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          • Slapper Lova says:

            I am beginning to think that I know Mrs Barcow somewhat intimately.

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          • Anonymous says:

            You know, I still can’t believe that even Gordon believes all this sh*t.

            Releasing initiative after initiative, each one more complex than the last, fronted by a famous face and staffed by even more bureaucrats….

            The Labour dream died in the first few weeks of power, as neither Blair or Brown could focus on what was best for the country rather than bickering among themselves.

            Shame on both of you.

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        • 355
          Chopper Harris says:

          Put yer hand up if you feel ‘digitally included?’

          Betta still, put your feet up around her neck, cor blimey!

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      • 384
        TaT's 'special' Gay Friend says:

        Brilliant. It’s a wrap!

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      • 436
        Anonymous says:

        LastRites4Labour.Biz

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      • 520
        Presiding officer says:

        Does it look like you are going to lose your seat?

        Are you in a marginal constituency?

        Is it raining so depressing your party’s core vote?

        Is you can answer yes to these, then come to lastminutepostalvotes.con and fill in what constituency you are in, how many postal votes you require, and what percentage of ethnic names you need to make it look like they are all legit votes to avoid closer inspection.

        All brought to you courtesy of New Labour who changed the electoral laws, and the judges that have stated that thanks to New Labour, the UK has an electoral system “fit for a banana republic”.

        No actual bananas were harmed in making this post.

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    • 222
      Labour cuts vs Labour investment says:

      Mark Serwotika from the Public servants union argued that the UK needs MORE Keynesian economics, the very thing that has bankrupted the UK. Susie Squires from the Taxpayer’s Alliance argued that more massive taxpayer money wasting New Labour pet projects like ID cards should be cut.

      The unions are outraged that they may face cuts. Better cut the private sector instead (the ones that pay for the public sector to exist). Just print more money, that will solve EVERYTHING!

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    • 289
      Efficient cuts? says:

      Efficiency savings…. pull the other one

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    • 295
      Efficient cuts? says:

      Thanks for deleting the previous posting of this video Guido. Becoming a video snob?

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    • 351
      Mr Ned says:

      WOW, he is cutting one week’s overspend? What is he cutting next week?

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    • 536
      Moderate Comment says:

      He must have had a hand in the £30Billion NHS It system of which Ally Darling said on Jug Handle’s AM prog. “was not essential to front line operations,or to continue with this scheme”
      So there it is another £30 billion down the tubes. Effing Great!

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  2. 2
    Gordon Brown says:

    Pie chart production has trebled under this Labour government

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  3. 3
    Precott says:

    I like pies, I do!

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  4. 5
    Anonymous says:

    Taxpayers’ Alliance = Lying neocon wankers who don’t really give a fuck where the cuts fall, as long as rich businessmen don’t have to pick up the tab.

    We all know that the Labour government has not been living within its means.

    But for fuck’s sake, it is the shite management of the private sector banks which have really fucked up the economy, in a way public sector pensions could never do.

    TPA – Never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

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    • 14
      Anonymous says:

      Hi Brigstroke ! how was the now show this week?

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    • 21
      Anonymous says:

      These “shite bankers” were all Gordon’s buddies up until last year.

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      • 167
        a bunch of Bankers says:

        so Brown’s shite too

        is 2 groups of people fucking the Economy, the Bankers and Labour, too complicated to understand?

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    • 22
      minty says:

      Marcus Frigstock, lefty gobshite of the year.

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      • 54
        iain, ni says:

        That was the twat on his first appearance on Question Time, when asked about the Lisbon Treaty, replied that no-one had bothered reading it, who cares whats in it and tried to laugh it off as inconsequential. That was before his latest woeful appearance. Wanker.

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        • 103
          Dick the Prick says:

          Charmless, humourless, arrogant leftie. Bit like Jeremy Hardy but without the crap singing on ‘clue’. His brother’s is a senior BBC exec – cronyism of the lowest denominator.

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      • 85
        RavingMad says:

        crap comedian too

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        • 170
          Disliker of Bankers says:

          Pretty good comdeian imho.

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          • Anonymous says:

            only when he attacks Brown
            if a comedian attacks Dave or the conservatives he isn’t funny
            that’s just commonsense conservatism

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          • Disliker of Bankers says:

            I hate Brown and Dave so I’m safe.

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          • Dick the Prick says:

            He was given a slot on BBC4 to completely copy Jon Stewart’s The Daily Show and it was crap – now that takes some doing but he managed it effortlessly. Like the poor man’s Graham Norton.

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          • red collar says:

            “Pretty good comdedian imho.”

            What, in the same way as the Labour Party are a bunch of comedians?

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          • barefootcontessa says:

            Where have all the funny comedians gone?

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          • Mr Ned says:

            They are all consigned to the politically incorrect purgatory.

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          • TaT's 'special' Gay Friend says:

            Frankie Boyle is tops. He just loves to wind them all up!

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          • Ben Elton says:

            Funny comedians are not right on.
            They made people laugh but they did not inform people of how Mrs Thatch was ruining the economy and it was so ruined that even Labour cannot put it right after 12 years of Government.
            Remember folks it was all the fault of Mrs. T.

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    • 53
      Herbert Morrison says:

      “Banks fucked up the economy” – Really? And from which banks has twelve years of profligate, reckless Government overspend come? Oh yes, the Bankl of F*ckwit Brown. There never was a socialist that could understand the difference between expenditure and investment and uin all probablility there never will be.

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    • 95
      concrete pump says:

      Morning twat
      Those swivel eyes must come in useful when you’re trying to chew your own shoulder.
      A list of examples of non jobs i want gone:

      Hospital managers
      Equality and diversity workers
      Green projects officers
      police press officers
      culture workers,

      Not long now.

      Only when jobs like the above are eradicated from our lives will we be able to account properly for the taxes paid into the public sector.

      Ican’t fucking wait.

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      • 132
        udderly 'orrible says:

        So thats the short list.

        Now head for the Guardian’s public service ads supplement and add in the 5000 other totally non-productive, tax-sucking “jobs” and we start to get a little closer to the real size of the problem.

        Next remove all local authority chief execs and their grossly overpaid fellow exec cabinet members and associated advisors and gravy trainers and replace with the Town clerk, Town engineer and Town rates department.

        Plenty more examples out there….

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        • 140
          concrete pump says:

          Agree……the list is so fucking long, i’d be here all day.
          Hopefully we won’t see the shite lefty rag in the future, losing money, apparently…..which is a nice thought.

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        • 251
          Susie says:

          Benefits for 1st child only by 2015 or until the first child is aged 10 — which ever’s soonest.

          We have had adequate birth control for the past 40 years, time certain people started using it.

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        • 258
          Reg511 says:

          What to do with all the unemployed? What will be the next mass employer?

          The cost of all those unproductive people

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          • Susie says:

            Get those under 35 digging flood defences, roads, working on farms, instead of using immigrants.

            If that’s beneath them, auf wiedesen pet.

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    • 125
      Nick says:

      “But for fuck’s sake, it is the shite management of the private sector banks which have really fucked up the economy, in a way public sector pensions could never do.”

      1) Labour failed to regulate or monitor the banks properly.
      2) Labour has since 1997 spent more than the country received in taxes etc. It’s now got to the extreme where spending on benefits alone exceeds all the combined income tax that every worker in the UK pays to HMRC.
      3) Labour’s criminally negligent use of public money has actually HARMED the economy rather than assisted it.
      4) Public sector pensions are going to be a huge drain on future taxpayers – whose private sector pensions were looted by Labour in 1997. Before then Britain had the best (funded) private sector pension sector in the Western world – now the industry has been ruined.

      There are two many other reasons why Labour shouldn’t ever be re-elected, but criticising the Taxpayers Alliance for pointing out that the Emperor has no clothes misses the point.

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      • 362
        Mr Ned says:

        It is not over-regulation or under-regulation that is to blame. It is too easy for the left and right to get caught up in that argument. the problem was the inappropriate regulation. Not the amount. They shoved LOADS of politically correct legislation forward and burdened all businesses with that, but on the specific areas of fiscal responsibility and ethics, labour were completely absent. Even worse than the “bankers friends” of the tories.

        Labour deliberately opened the credit floodgates and actively encouraged profligate lending from 1997 right up to and into the 2007 crash.

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    • 137
      Mongrel says:

      Anonymous, have you read any of the TPA stuff? They are the only people with any constructive ideas about cutting government waste. Just calling them names like neocons is no kind of an argument, so I assume you haven’t got one.

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    • 195
      backwoodsman says:

      Never let a spot of nulab socialist revisionism get in the way of a good excuse , isn’t that what you meant to say.
      Thank fuck for the Taxpayers Alliance, providing the ammunition for our supine msm to start to fire back. Lucky we have a ‘peoples’ broadcaster’ to hold the government to account isn’t it ? Oh, hang on……

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      • 383
        Mr Ned says:

        Would that be the same people’s broadcaster that covered up the known facts about an absence of WMD in Iraq and nakedly propagandised for Blair in the run up and execution of the Iraq invasion? The same Broadcaster that is nakedly propagandising for the “man-made climate change” lobby? the same broadcaster that is a propaganda outlet for MP’s when they are suggesting that it is now time to forgive MPs for their expenses theft on Panorama tonight.

        Would you mean that broadcaster?

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    • 274
      Anonymous says:

      Necons?

      God you’re an ignorant little wanker aren’t you.

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    • 462
      It's cuts time baby says:

      Four words; FUCK OFF NEO-COMMUNIST SCUM

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    • 489
      CHIPPY says:

      OOH!YOU ARE AWFUL.WERE YOU GETTING YOUR BONUS FOR THINKING UP SOME MORE FUCKING USELESS RED TAPE.

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  5. 6

    Nanny knows best

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6729588/Labour-MP-ban-shops-from-selling-sexist-pink-toys-to-little-girls.html

    Bridget Prentice, the Justice Minister, said that she was supporting the campaign because she was concerned that shops were creating Christmas gifts which were aimed particularly at either girls or boys.

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  6. 7
    Prescott says:

    and I can’t spell my own fucking name!

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  7. 8
    Anonymous says:

    I wish people would stop taking about the deficit while ignoring the size of the national debt !!!

    It is as though the annual deficit of 175 / 185 / 195 billion is just wiped clean at the end of the year, and we start each year afresh and are on target to reduce the deficit to 150 / 160 bilion.

    We are NOT FUCKING REDUCING IT !!!!!!!!!! It has been added to the National Debt and we are paying interest on the WHOLE FUCKING LOT !!!

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    • 16
      solopolis says:

      May I respectfully direct the anonymous person to the analysis I made some weeks ago…

      http://solopolis.livejournal.com/#post-solopolis-4805

      I wish they’d stop using the deficit figures to report debt too.

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      • 37
        Anonymous says:

        solopolis – I think you should send a note to Guido saying ‘Pretty Please put this on your front page because it is FUCKING IMPORTANT and the country are being hoodwinked by mixing up debt / deficit

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      • 111
        Putin says:

        Agreed. I would also like them to include all the debts using proper accounting treatment. Your dire figures exclude a number of items which are quite large.This seems to be because the government do not actually know what the liability is.

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        • 158
          solopolis says:

          I have to be honest I’m no expert. My debt and deficit calculations we were worked out using my best pencil and back of a fag packet.

          I’m sure there are many, many more figures that need to be taken into account.

          Even without the PFI liabilities and pensions, the numbers that I’ve come up with are very quickly approaching that of GDP.

          I hope that the country does not get seduced into having “just one more wafer thin mint” as per Mr. Creosote.

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      • 187
        Spank Sinatra says:

        Agreed – good presentation of the facts! Only ‘wishful thinking’ element was the notional 2% interest rate which means the outcome will indeed be much much worse.

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        • 314
          solopolis says:

          Yes, the 2% really was a case of wishful thinking. I only chose that percentage as a random and arbitrary number.

          I know that using the example of an interest-only mortgage is simplifying the sums enormously, however, it was the only way that I could think of explaining it in terms that I could understand.

          £16 BILLION a year is a bloody lot of cash.

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          • Disliker of Bankers says:

            Isn’t the debt rising exponentially every single minute?
            Be it Prudence or little Darling or bankers and hedge fund managers who take the blame (all, I think) it’s bloody scary.

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    • 28
      Steve Expat says:

      The official debt is 800bn, will be 1tn (1,000,000,000,000) pounds by next year, 1.2tn the year after that. GDP is currently 1.4tn and falling (‘cos that’s what recession is!)

      Don’t forget another trillion or so in PFI obligations (basically mortgages on all the new shiny skoolz ‘n’ hospitals built in the last 12 years) and we are heading for a visit from the IMF in short order, unless we kick Broon and Darling out whenever they give us the opportunity!

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      • 517
        EC1 PhD says:

        Why not just print £1 trillion in cash, pay off the debt and before we reach 2938% inflation, ingeniously join the Euro, consigning the £ to the dustbin and bringing inflation down to just 2%.

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    • 71

      The two are related. The point about the deficit is it compounds the debt crisis.

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  8. 9
    diversity outreach coordinator says:

    Throw a few more non jobs in there and it might be a slice of pie worth having.

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  9. 10
    AndyW says:

    Gordon is just tinkering at the edges…

    More like just kicking the corpse…

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    Mandymybum the Great says:

    Pie to be served with generous dollops of green custard.

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  11. 13
    Anonymous says:

    Old Holborn – If you think that is bad, I suggest you don’t read this bollox from the Graun, lest you have a coronary..

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/lifeandstyle/2009/dec/04/feminist-books-five-year-olds

    And to think I bought the paper this was in – so some of money has ended up in the pocket of this silly bitch. No wonder the MSM is going down the toilet.

    When did they stop being interested in ‘real people’ ?

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      Kezza the Hat says:

      What a stupid bitch, she’s grooming her daughter to be a lesbian.

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      Mongrel says:

      Her kids have more sense – they look bored as shit. The boy wants to hear about Robin Hood and the girl wants to get back to playing with My Little Pony.

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    genghiz the kahn says:

    Is Brown delusional, will he expect his kids to receive on-line school reports, how would this save money?

    The time spent writing them on line may not be less than handwriting them. Perhaps there is a reduction in the numbers of sheets of paper, envelopes and ink.

    From Al Beeb “Gordon Brown has said technology such as crime maps and online school reports will cut bureaucracy, as Labour attempts to halve the Budget deficit.”

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8398116.stm

    Perhaps Brown believes in pissing into a tornado.

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    • 67
      Engineer says:

      Many teachers’ writing, grammar and spelling is so poor that they need computer spell-checkers and those annoying green-and-red-line grammar checking thingies. If they hand-wrote reports, they’d be unintelligable. (That’s not ALL teachers, mind.)

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    • 512
      Moley says:

      Computers have not reduced bureaucracy, they have mechanised it, and like all mechanisation the result is a tenfold increase in output.

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      • 523
        Anonymous says:

        Agreed, step 1 of any system normally mechanises the paperwork it replaces.

        Value add starts at step 2, if the Civil Service would permit it.
        We could then get some serious efficiency savings.
        The process would also highlight the stupidity, confusion, and duplication deliberately introduced by strategists who ignore the practicalities.

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  13. 20
    Kezza the Hat says:

    Financial incompetence = Liebour

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  14. 24
    sunonmars says:

    Now what was that again we’ve heard for months, there will be no cuts only investment and increased spending.

    As for this bankers windfall tax, if they try that, who do you think the banks will claw the losses back from, yes thats right, you and me with more charges and rate cuts.

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      Steve Expat says:

      Watch for the bankers all emigrating in short order, along with very opaque ‘employment’ practices to avoid any super tax.

      Switzerland seems to be doing a good trade in British expats at the moment, and Dubai will be more than happy for a helping hand getting out of their own mess!

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      • 45
        sunonmars says:

        oh i know, they will leave in droves.

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        jgm2 says:

        They may simply quit if they’ve got enough dosh already.

        A little straw shows the way the wind blows. And if the UK shows itself to have a political party that is not adverse to trashing its major export earner just to score a political point and consolidate its core vote then Brown is yet again poisoning the well for the future.

        Anybody ambitious and young in UK banking is going to manouver themselves overseas. The bankers may have had Brown’s economic fuckwittery pinned on them by the media wing of this occupation government but we have to hope they recover because there’s fuck all else in the UK except buying and selling insanely over-priced houses to each other.

        Brown seems determined to chase the banks away too. Collateral damage though to the Maximum Imbeciles push to secure the Labour core vote.

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        • 129
          Disliker of Bankers says:

          Yip. They’ve fucked it up between them (£100 billion debt was the last figure I heard) and now they just want to bugger off because they are having their obscene bonuses taxed (not stopped mind you).
          I gather New York is rather anti banker too just now.
          What a bunch of complete gits they are. Good riddance.

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          • Steve Expat says:

            Look at it from the other side. Of these bonuses, a huge amount goes back to the government in tax of one sort or another. Anything they spend with them attracts VAT and anything they save helps to restore liquidity ot the banking industry.

            London’s loss, New York’s loss. The banks don’t care.

            Zurich, Dubai, Hong Kong and plenty of emerging markets (China?) are all happy to take as many bankers as they can fit in, all paying a load less tax than in the UK or US…

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        • 139
          Throbber says:

          Not just the young ones either… the older high earner ones will be scarpering like mad. Why stay here and have the wealth you have built up stripped away by a filthy dirty left wing shit head like Brown?
          Take your money and run like fuck is my advice.

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          • Disliker of Bankers says:

            “…the wealth you have built up…” All at our expense.

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          • It's cuts time baby says:

            “…the wealth you have built up…” All at our expense.

            Yes just like the dole scroungers who get away free with their pockets loaded every week from your taxes and expense.

            Yes hate and drive away all the job and wealth creators and have a country filled with 60 million dole scroungers what a genius you are!

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      • 174
        Hugh Janus says:

        “Watch for the bankers all emigrating in short order, along with very opaque ‘employment’ practices to avoid any super tax.”

        Particularly when the EUSSR wades in following the ratification of Lisbon….

        McBust, you are an utter and complete bastard. We, the people, could have stopped this highly damaging treaty, but you thought it was a good idea – and you know that you always know best. Just goes to prove that anything you think is a good idea is, in fact, the worst possible option for this poor bloody country.

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        • 313
          Disliker of Bankers says:

          For whatever reason they want to de-camp – just bugger off…and now.

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          • jgm2 says:

            As I’ve said – another well being poisoned by Brown. You may be of the opinion that this economic clusterfuck is entirely the bankers fault and I’m sure the BBC has been instrumental in helping you to form that opinion.

            There are those of us however who are of the opinion that allowing house-prices to rise 15-20% for years at a stretch and basking in the glow of all that faux ‘wealth’ and concomitant consumer borrowing while simultaneously borrowing and squandering 3% of GDP in the ‘boom’ years rather puts the blame squarely on the reckless imbecile Brown.

            Unless you’re to have us believe that any rational person would consider such reckless borrowing and squandering a prudent way to run the UK’s finances.

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          Moley says:

          Bankers leaving the country equates to the flight of capital, particularly if the older ones close to retirement take their pension pots with them.

          Don’t you remember the £50.00 limit under Harold Wilson, controlling the amount of sterling that can be taken abroad?

          Wait for exchange controls.

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  15. 25
    RavingMad says:

    Just caught some of his press conference (hahaha) on SkyNews. What a joke dear Gordon is. Trying to be all upbeat on ah horrible Monday morning. Next to a plinth that says “Putting those in the Forefront First” – well, by definition they already are first, idiot!!

    Telling of spending £30million as part of saving £1billion, on increasing internet access for people who don’t have/want the internet. Telling of how services will cost less because they are on the internet. I can’t fucking wait ot see my bins emptied by the internet!!!!!

    What sort of fucking loon is this man???

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      resurgemus says:

      Has any government ever delivered an IT project within budget and on time ?

      Boom time for IT consultants ( again )

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      • 35
        sunonmars says:

        everytime i hear that, new IT database or project, i just go “how much this time for something that never works”.

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        Steve Expat says:

        Has any government ever delivered an IT project within budget and on time ?

        Not in living memory.

        Simple explanation – scope creep due to political micromanagement.

        Not that I’m complaining personally, not done badly out of governmental incompetance over the years… ;-)

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        • 73
          Grumpy Old Man says:

          But all IT projects are in living memory…….Ah, I see.

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          • Talwin says:

            Are we to assume that Brown’s talk of further reliance on IT is to provide some sort of magic bullet? Ironic, then, given that only yesterday Darling was talking of sacking the NHS IT project which, incidentally, he described to Marr as being “quite expensive”. Quite expensive!!??!! Only £12 billions FFS.

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          • Cyco Billy says:

            The issue here is not capital costs. Nor the overshoots, the creeping specs (business as usual), nor the missed budgets. The issue is the data. Someone somewhere has realized that with so little money left at this stage, the patient records going in are about as accurate as if they had been put in by monkeys. And the problem with that is the prospect of a queue of negligence lawsuits stretching away over the horizon.

            Nu layber’s fundamental mistake, propagated endlessly, is that fantasies of data are seen as justifying collosal hardware spends. In fact, the hardware should serve the data, not the other way around.

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    • 31
      sunonmars says:

      i nearly put the boot through the tv watching that crock of crap.

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    • 39
      green cheese says:

      “What sort of fucking loon is this man???”

      The loons loon, no. one loony street, in loony town, loony land…….

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    • 149
      udderly 'orrible says:

      McShitesnot, the evil pre-Paleolithic, is beyond parody or account …

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    • 151
      Nick says:

      Wonderful! Gordon discovers the benefits of universal internet access within a month of Mandelson ‘s Digital Business bill threatening to limit/restrict/cut off broadband to entire households without any demonstrable evidence…

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    Peanuts says:

    Laughably not enough of a cut.

    New Labour – New debt.

    Of topic: we could do with a bit of investigative journalism into the cartel way a small clique of gobal warming so-called scientists censor scientific papers that do not support their dogma.

    Watching Ed Miliband on BBC TV expressing his contempt for people who do not agree with him was like watching the Catholic Church dealing with Galileo.

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    • 42
      solopolis says:

      “like watching the Catholic Church dealing with Galileo”

      Quote of the day for me. If you see me being burned at the stake know that is because of my questioning Climate Change Dogma.

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    • 77
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      Very Good.

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    • 92
      Glaswegian says:

      Bravo, but watch out for the Thought Police.
      Perhaps they are monitoring this blog to ensure that none of our children are being conditioned with anti climate change propaganda.

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    • 136
      Levi Stapress says:

      Spot on.
      We’re heading back to the middle ages.
      Pope = EUSSR Govt
      Catholic creed – global warming/’social inclusion’/’equality’/pc-ness
      Princes – national govts ruling absolutely
      Barons – political appointees
      Serfs = UK tax/debt slaves
      Tithes = VAT
      indulgences- bribes/carbon credits
      Inquisition = state apparatus/paid for media

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      • 152
        Anonymous says:

        Thats because parts of Europe never left the middle ages !

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          Mr Ned says:

          Oh I see now. So we are taking our economies back to a communist version of the middle ages to make the new members of the EU to the east feel more welcome?

          Oh, how nice.

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        • 297
          Susie says:

          I will never forget the first time I drove through France in 1973 — they were still ploughing the fields with pairs of horses — really.

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          • Call me Infidel says:

            Agreed I visited in 1975 and they were still using horses for ploughing. However every piss pot French farmer now has a shiny John Deere tractor thanks to the CAP.

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          • The Dirty Rat says:

            And they are still eating the surplus horses.

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      • 277
        Reg511 says:

        And when Labour reduce us to the lowest common denominator of EU, most of us will be subsistance farmers, as it was in the days of Rotten Boroughs

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        • 380
          MajorSirGeneralGeorgeCarruthers-Smythe says:

          Whoa!!

          Does this mean I will have to rake my own garden??

          Hellsbells

          Carruthers….get me my shotgun..!!!!

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    • 538
      Robert Langdon says:

      Only traitors were burned at the stake

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  17. 32
    jgm2 says:

    This is the whole problem. Paper savings of 3bn a year and spiting the rich for 1bn quid to appeal to few lemon-sucking cadavers in Kirkcaldy and Dave Spart-a-likes in the Labour core vote is not going to address an overspend of 200bn quid.

    The sad fact is we need 20% cuts and/or 20% tax rises across the board. This is do-able because with mortgage rates at all-time lows most folks mortgages have come down considerably so in theory they should be able to take a tax hike without being any wose off over all than when their mortgage rates were much higher.

    This is (I believe) Cameron’s ‘we’re all in it together’ approach.

    To pretend otherwise is sheer delusion and recklessness. The other possibility is Brown will simply seize all private pension funds and large portions of personal wealth. Because ‘it’s the right thing to do’.

    Problem is you only get to do that once. After that nobody bothers working hard ever again.

    Just as Mao dismissed the US as a ‘paper tiger’ and just as we have the concept of a ‘paper general’ somebody who moves imaginary armies around a map and convinces himself he could achieve great strategic victories so Brown is a paper economist.

    Utterly fucking fanciful. Not even a hair folicle in the real world let alone both feet.

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      Steve Expat says:

      Yet another round of announcements that add up to no more than a rounding error in the public books.

      I’d go with 30% rather than 20% though, that’s the current annual defecit, and the big income streams of the City are not going to be flowing again for a while now

      There needs to be some really creative thinking here from the politicians, nothing should be seen as too far out to be considered. My two suggestions would be making those on the dole for more than 6 months work 2 days a week in the community (cleaning grafitti, gardening etc) and not giving single teenage mothers their own houses, rather house them in hostels with support and education.

      Oh, and if I were anyone with “Diversity” or “Outreach” in my job title, I’d be shitting myself!

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        Reg511 says:

        ‘My two suggestions would be making those on the dole for more than 6 months work 2 days a week in the community’

        Good plan, but what to do to absorb inevitable 10,000’s soon to be out of work?

        We make little that enough people want to buy. 1997, 1:10 worked in administering our country, now 1:4, excluding Crapita et al. What are they all going to do in the future?

        As the pound plummets, and Hilary Benn tells us it is inevitable we will import more and more food, how will we pay for it?

        Open the community farms!

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          Steve Expat says:

          I would say give everyone six months to find work, then they can work part time for the dole. There are plenty of jobs out there, look how many Poles and others are here. The jobs are not the best, but there are over a million people who have never worked in their life, always relying on state handouts since they left school. They have been failed by this and previous governments.

          Making them work would restore the link between work and money, as well as give them routine in their lives, the idea that one has to get up in the morning and can’t drink themselves silly during the week etc. Doing local community work would also restore some pride to these horrible run down estates around the country that are no go areas for outsiders at the moment.

          Also reduce benefit levels (especially for housing) and increase the income tax allowance to make a minimum wage job worth more than a few quid a week better than no job.

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          • Susie says:

            Time to call in Monty Don (his junkie rehab gardening programme). All those useless litter-blown grassed areas you see around urban estates could be made into productive community gardens and allotments.

            They’ll get vandalised, sure, but if you actually live over the road and see all your hard work destroyed, those responsible will not be tolerated or go unpunished.

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        • 130
          Anonymous says:

          They’re building on allotments near where I live.

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      • 163
        It's a trap! says:

        But they claim to work very hard. So that is OK?

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    • 164
      Nick says:

      Brown ‘reformed’ the successful Personal Equity Plan scheme to usher in ISAs. What betting that he removes the (now limited) tax exemption on ISAs? Such a tax would target 1) People with large ISA funds, and 2) Higher rate taxpayers (both of whom seem to be Labour’s natural enemies).

      I intend to move my savings offshore ASAP. However I will take to the streets if Labour also ushers in a wealth tax…

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        Mr Ned says:

        After 12.5 years of labour, I haven’t any savings left to tax. The only asset I have left is my house and that is now only just outside negative equity.

        I do not forsee any positive change anytime soon. I am praying for a lottery win.

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          Beezley says:

          >I am praying for a lottery win.

          Imagine 14,000,000 people in one crowd, standing on the Isle of Wight, say.

          A blimp emblazoned with the words “IT COULD BE YOU” slowly crosses the sky. Suddenly a window in the nacelle opens and a celebrity with big tits appears. She flicks a ping-pong ball into the air: it descends towards the sea of upturned faces.

          It lands on you, Mr Ned, and you are the winner!

          (From The Boys’ Bumper Book of Probability, p. 34)

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          • Mr Ned says:

            That is exactly how sad this country has become for many many people.

            I tried self reliance and multiple income streams and one by one they have dried up. My investments have been killed by multiple deliberate market bubbles and without insider information, the average joe is hung out to dry, yes it is gambling of sorts, but I was attempting to make a living for myself.

            Now I am lucky to have a JOB still, but I was building an income to replace my J.O.B. (Just over broke) That has all gone now.

            I am not quite making ends meet and I have exhausted every avenue I can think of. I do not have the time to devote to start a new business due to my JOB and I cannot create the time to start a new business as I no longer have the investment capital to quit my job and start a business, otherwise I definitely would.

            I will not claim state benefits, as I live by my belief in self reliance and I would not take a penny of blood money from the corrupt and vile war criminals that make up our maladministration.

            This is why I am praying for a lottery win. I have nothing else left to cling to to defend what pittance I have left.

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  18. 41
    Dave "Cast Iron Guarantee" Cameron says:

    I refuse to be drawn into a debate on policy,the Conservative Party have none ,but rather reel off my gags.

    So the Labour party is falling apart? That’s nothing new.

    Brown and Blunkett couldn’t see eye to eye from the start.

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    • 285
      Anonymous says:

      You’re a prick.

      The conservatives will reveal their policies when it’s too late in the day for labour to nick the good ones and claim them as their own.

      Now fuck off.

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      • 407
        Mr Ned says:

        I am not holding my breath that the tories will have any-good ones, or at least any that the EU will allow them to keep! Cameron has already been a massive let-down for me and he is not even in power yet!

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  19. 43
    Stuart says:

    Does Gordon Brown actually think folks will be fooled by this act of pissing in the ocean?

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  20. 51
    Gordon Brown says:

    Just wait until the debate on the Pre Budget Report when David Cameron and George Osborne will be reduced to quivering wrecks

    Darling’s approach, contrasting with Conservative Party calls to make deeper and faster cuts, won the support of two groups in London yesterday. The National Institute of Economic and Social Research, a London-based research group that counts the Treasury and the Bank of England as clients, said Darling should keep stimulating the economy during the next few months before reducing the deficit.

    The British Chambers of Commerce said the government should refrain from cutting the fiscal deficit too quickly as the nation’s economic recovery faces “major risks,”

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    • 66
      Sarkozy says:

      the Brits still have commerce?

      doing what?

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    • 98
      The IMF is coming says:

      You Sir, are the worst Prime Minister ever.

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      • 101
        DelBoy says:

        What? With such recent turds? Including Tony?

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        • 126
          The IMF is coming says:

          Close run thing. At least he knew when to get out.

          Mr Brown has wanted to be PM since the 70’s – did everything he could to get to that point and now does not want to give up. Emperor’s clothes

          Will be remembered as the worst PM ever

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          • It's a trap! says:

            The evidence will be in writing, and thanks to Internet access for all, will be visible for everyone all the time, ad infinitum.

            The worst PM, in the very worst Government. But they have achieved their objective of screwing the population of this Country, and their future prospects completely for 2 generations.

            Bastards.

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          • After every sentence I let my jaw drop says:

            History will summarise them with one 4 letter word for each:

            Bliar – IRAQ
            Bruin – BUST

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          • The Dirty Rat says:

            Blair – Lying Cnut.

            Brown – Lying incompetent Cnut.

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    • 128
      Putin says:

      You are terminally dim. Growing government debt has ‘major risks’ Once our credit rating goes into freefall because we are not tackling these problems, a few of these ‘major risks’ will be realised. Gordon’s dithering has reduced manouevre room. The IMF will come calling and it will not matter one iota what any politician thinks -they will set the agenda.

      As for economists,please explain why they collectively failed to spot the crash? Given this,any prediction thye make must be suspect.

      What do you mean by ‘Darling should keep stimulating the economy during the next few months before reducing the deficit’ Er if we have an election and Labour no longer govern,then that is what will happen surely?

      And pray tell,why would any idiot borrow more if he intended to cut his debts in a few months? Because his finances are so dire,he cannot survive without doing so.That’s how bad the situation is. Politics are no longer relevant to this discussion.

      The economy does not exist. It was a gigantic bubble serving government and banks. Nothing else. There is nothing to replace it.

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      • 135
        The IMF is coming says:

        Cosolidate your debts with one monthly payments

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      • 178
        We all buy energy and that is bad...but carbon trading will save polar bears says:

        Yes there is!

        Carbon Trading.

        Think about the massive asset creation potential of the the whole ‘Enron’ inspired scheme.

        The trades in debt and debt derivatives. (and the cash take to government).

        That’s gone belly up.

        Carbon trading will be based on every ‘energy’ transfer transaction from buying petrol to paying your electricity bill.

        You, as the end-consumer, will pay.

        Like VAT.

        All the world has to believe is that CO2 is the greatest single threat to the future.

        Big oil is against ‘Copenhagen’.

        Rubbish.

        The energy companies are rubbing their hands in glee.

        They are so green and will sell more expensive product.

        The Banks are all over it.

        The evidence is plain to see.

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          Mr Ned says:

          Trouble is, if this was a scheme to truly cut emissions, then the rich will be fucked by it as they are the biggest culprits. After all, how many private jets are ferrying the rich to the copenhagen guilt-fest?

          So that will not happen. IF they really based the cap and trade on the amount of emissions, then the world’s poorest would be quids in, after all, they don’t produce much CO2. I would be looking forward to selling my excess every year to some rich polluter, IF This was real, I would take great delight in selling my excess, at great profit, to Al Gore, or some other rich hypocrite. The level of emissions will be so low that EVERYONE in the west is fucked over, even the green tree hugging hippies in their old busses!

          It isn’t real. It will be a scheme where an ‘invented out of thin air’ commodity will be traded by rich insiders for their own profit and at the expense of everyone else.

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          • Mongrel says:

            It already is, Ned. Mittal has made a billion and Neil Eckert has made tens of millions running the exchange trading imaginary bits of negative CO2 emissions and charging a small fee each time. Pure Enronomics, only compulsory and government-backed.
            YOU COULDN’T FUCKING MAKE IT UP

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      Mr Ned says:

      “The National Institute of Economic and Social Research, a London-based research group that counts the Treasury and the Bank of England as clients, said Darling should keep stimulating the economy during the next few months before reducing the deficit.”
      —————————————-

      So a labour supporting quango thinks that the labour government should keep spending high until the election then?

      Hmmmmmmmm. No bias or desperation there then!

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    • 221
      Engineer says:

      “Darling should continue stimulating the economy for the next few months..”

      Tell that to Redcar steelmakers. 1700 down the road.

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    • 499
      CHIPPY says:

      THERE ARE NO FUCKING JOBS TO REDUCE THE DEFICIT .

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  21. 55
    Anonymous says:

    Money has lost all meaning.

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  22. 58
    Anonymous says:

    Civil Servaqnt Union Leader on Sky says scrap our Nuclear deterrent to save job center jobs.

    At least when we get invaded the victors can sign on.

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  23. 59
    Go_Compere_Woebegone says:

    Two Irish Geniuses:

    Patrick: Hey I know how our treasury can get rid of 20 billion ‘uros from our national debt

    Shawn: How that Pat?

    Patrick: Simply put “Anglo” in front of our bank’s names and that Gordon Brine chappy’ll haf to bail us out!

    Shawn: Won’t that mean our friends in France and Luxemburg will stop subsidising us?

    Pat: Darn it! I forgot about the World Cup there for a moment!

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  24. 61
    iain, ni says:

    When’s the speaker going to put a stop to all this leaking and briefing ahead of the PBR.

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  25. 68
    Andy says:

    Shouldn’t you do the calculation as a percentage of the overspend?

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  26. 69
    Anonymous says:

    Copenhagen climate summit: 1,200 limos, 140 private planes and caviar wedges

    Copenhagen is preparing for the climate change summit that will produce as much carbon dioxide as a town the size of Middlesbrough.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6736517/Copenhagen-climate-summit-1200-limos-140-private-planes-and-caviar-wedges.html

    Quite, if they were serious then they would go around on pushbikes and get there on the train.

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    • 78
      Steve Expat says:

      If they were serious they would have done the whole thing as a videoconference from wherever people happened to be, rather than flying several million miles between them.

      Conferencing technology has moved on in leaps and bounds over the past couple of years, utilising this sort of technology would have been a massive statement

      Look at this, they really do look like they are all in the same room

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        thick as thieves says:

        it is not rocket science is it steve?
        there is no reason why these events could not be held remotely.
        these fake-ass scientist stooges are just on one big fucking jolly, swanning off to exotic locations, eating drinking and fucking whores at the taxpayers expense.
        and the punchline is that the government are using taxpayers cash to bribe the scientists to come up with the false reports to justify extra taxation that is needed because the politicians have been so wasteful with taxpayers money.
        round and round in fucking circles innit?
        what a fucking carry on eh, what a fucking caper!
        couldn’t make this shit up, could you?

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          Steve Expat says:

          Indeed tat, a rare agreement!

          I work for a company with offices in Dubai, London and the US. This sort of kit costs as much as a couple of business class flights long haul. It paid for itself in weeks, without even thinking of carbon emissions, unproductive time travelling or jet lag.

          Not as much opportunity for photocalls, hospitality or entertainment with a video conference though, that’s why they all go to Copenhagen!

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          • thick as thieves says:

            I suppose the reason they do not want video conferencing is because then everything they said would be on the record.
            privacy and non-disclosure are both key to the scientists executing their scam.

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          • Anonymous says:

            Dubai is booming!
            no more boom and bu… shit!

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          • Moley says:

            You can’t lay a free whore using video conferencing, that’s the problem, and guess what the limo is for?

            All the politicos are too fat to fuck in a mini.

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        • 124
          Anonymous says:

          The Whores are doing Freebies TAT

          And this being Scandinavia, even the prostitutes are doing their bit for the planet. Outraged by a council postcard urging delegates to “be sustainable, don’t buy sex,” the local sex workers’ union – they have unions here – has announced that all its 1,400 members will give free intercourse to anyone with a climate conference delegate’s pass. The term “carbon dating” just took on an entirely new meaning.

          http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/copenhagen-climate-change-confe/6736517/Copenhagen-climate-summit-1200-limos-140-private-planes-and-caviar-wedges.html

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          We all buy energy and that is bad...but carbon trading will save polar bears says:

          Agreed Tat.

          In your own way you have hit it bang on the head.

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        • 376
          A Trougher says:

          Come off it tat if you cud fuck whores on the taxpayer you’d do it as well !

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      • 368
        Hugh Janus says:

        And how many reporters and general hangers-on have the Beeb sent I wonder. Anyone know?

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    • 502
      CHIPPY says:

      GORDON AND MEDDLESOM SORTED THAT OUT.THEY STOOD BY AND WATCHED ANOTHER 1700 PEOPLE LOSE THEIR JOBS.THAT CANCELLED OUT THE CARBON FOOTPRINT IN COPENHAGEN.

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  27. 72
    G Brown - Saving the World - TO-DAY says:

    Why anyone actually believes any of Brown’s delusions anymore is beyond me. The bloke started his record of fiscal incompetence in May 1997 and everything was downhill from then on in.

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  28. 74
    McGroom says:

    This government has been proven incapable of running a bath.

    When Gordon says “we can freely access government data” he is talking about the 677 government agencies that will be able to access all British citizens mail, phone and internet traffic without needing a court order.

    I was was in Germany this weekend. I related how civil liberties have been eroded by this government and how the judiciary, police, security and armed forces and civil service have been subjugated for political purposes. I had more than a few comments about how New Labour have destroyed democracy and use the same instruments of monitor, smear, discredit, divide, conquer and control as the East German Stasi.

    The other biggest comment was will the conseravtives be any different.

    Time to leave the UK to it’s self imposed spiral into obscurity and head to where the sun shines and wealth can be created without political envy.

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    • 238
      Mr Ned says:

      I wish I could afford to leave. By the time I sell my house, pay off the debts I should have enough left over for the bus fair to the airport, and that’s about as far as I will get! and believe me, I count myself very lucky on that! There are many in much worse situations than me.

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  29. 83
    Gordon Brown PM (not for much longer thank fuck) says:

    SPASTICITY UP!

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    • 107
      DelBoy says:

      Syvret says he’s joining the Conservitude Party. That’ll liven things up a bit.

      Senator Stuart Syvret said…
      I’m asked in a comment above why I just don’t give all the evidence to the national media?

      If only things were that simple.

      Some of the evidence has already – during the last two and a half years – been reported on by the national media.

      Reported very effectively in several cases.

      But such reportage is forgotten about – certainly in Jersey.

      Those evidenced facts escape all debate in Jersey – because the Jersey media just don’t report them – they ignore them – or even tell the local population just how misleadingly dreadful and dishonest the national media is – and the only great sources of truth are to be found via the hallowed pages of the Jersey Evening Post – and the ‘gone-native’ air-waves of the BBC Jersey out-post.

      (By the way, BBC Jersey people – how is all your terribly, terribly self-gratifying local amateur dramatics going right now? I hear your little clan is performing gloriously – along side one or two of the child abusers you’re protecting?)

      But – with respect to the national media – there are several hurdles to overcome.

      Firstly – notwithstanding just how utterly dreadful is the conduct of the Jersey oligarchy – and their concealment of child-abuse – right on the UK’s doorstep – and under the abused name of the Crown – there are an awful lot of other news stories – of national – and international scale to compete with.

      Secondly – for all its wealth, power and influence – a lot of the national media are cowered into reporting less than they should, following advice from their lawyers – a perhaps understandable concern – given Britain’s anti-free speech defamation laws. I know that certain evidence is in the hands of certain national media outlets – but it’s too legally scary for them to run.

      Yet.

      Thirdly, the true nature of the Jersey oligarchy – its unassailable power – its protectors in Whitehall – its history – its invulnerability and just how bizarre, stagnant and corrupt it is – and all those complexities – would require a great deal of time, effort and research for a national journalist to really get a handle on.

      Fourthly – to return to a subject discussed above – many national journalists, sub-editors and editors – have been fed a massed and concentrated pack of lies, forgeries, smears, spin, diversions and disinformation by the Jersey oligarchy – by people like Cathy Keir – in which no effort has been spared to convince the real journalist that they needn’t take any notice of – or place any trust in – anti-Jersey establishment figures – because we’re all full of nonsense – “and look – these” (faked and forged) “e-mails, letters, statements prove how full of rubbish we are”.

      UK – (that’s ‘real’) journalists have the wherewithal to see through such garbage – when they have sufficient time – and the story is of sufficient magnitude.

      But when you’re a busy national journalist – with dozens of competing stories – you just don’t have time to really challenge the lies.

      And – another of the Jersey oligarhcy’s great skills is slowing everything down – until significance and interest wanes.

      And there are other reasons why the national media simply isn’t just given everything.

      For example – I’m a fugitive from the “law” in Jersey – because I exposed a mass-murderer – who the Jersey oligarchy had concealed.

      When the Jersey oligarchy has the iron support of the FACAWs for engaging in such criminal, banana-republic oppressions – one has to think carefully before exposing more of the truth.

      And – there is also an element of keeping one’s powder dry.

      So – all kinds of reasons why just getting the facts – the awful truth – reported in the national media – is far from as simple as one might imagine.

      Stuart.

      Monday, 7 December 2009

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  30. 88
    Gordon Brown says:

    As a result of my long standing friendship with my drinking Buddy,Guido,I am able to reveal that Capital Gains Tax will be raised

    CGT is currently charged at a flat rate of 18%, following changes announced in 2007, on gains of more than £9,600 made in any one tax year when an asset is sold. However, as people’s main homes are usually exempt from the tax, it is generally only paid by the better off.

    I have asked Mr Darling to increase the CGT rate to 25% or even 30%, while my backbenchers think he could go further and raise it to 40%, in line with the 40% income tax band.

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    • 166
      Mongrel says:

      Well Gordon that was one of your more infamous fuck-ups. We had a tax rate of 40% for both income and capital gains, with taper relief on capital gains intended to allow entrepreneurs to realise their assets without punitive tax. Some bankers and hedgies were abusing the system and helping themselves to taper relief via an unanticipated loophole. Instead of fixing the problem they wrecked the tax system and ended up with less tax take from the rich, and more manipulation. As tat would say, you couldn’t fucking make it up.

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    • 183
      Nick says:

      Hmmm… I seem to recall that it was 40% before the introduction of taper relief!

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      • 198
        Gordon Brown says:

        ….and that is not all

        I have asked Mr Darling to hit wealthy families with the introduction of a new 50% rate on estates worth more than £1 million.

        We will also double the length of time for which people have to live after making a gift in order for it to be exempt from the tax from seven to 14 years, to make it harder for people to reduce the value of their estates.

        Any questions ??

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        • 219
          Mongrel says:

          Yes. Why are you doing this now after 12 years in power? Is it
          a) because you are trying to establish “clear blue water” and paint the Tories as friends of the rich, ie pure grandstanding?
          or
          b) because you have pissed away £1 trillion* and have no clue how to cut government spending without upsetting the payroll vote
          or both.
          * or £2 trillion if you include off-balance sheet pfi liabilities

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          • Seb Coe says:

            Cheer up Mongrel, we have the glorious Olympics to look forward to, and pay for, then maybe Footy world cup, and Rugby League world cup

            Oh, how exciting, the national pride that will be generated, especially after Beijing

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        • 225
          The IMF is coming says:

          You Sir, are the worst PM ever.

          No arguement to that Sir!

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        • 252
          Labour has been on ya side, really, despite 12 years to the contrary says:

          Retreating to his core constituency and the ‘class war’ psychology is being evoked in the form of sloganising.

          He is trying to avoid the disaster facing him and reduce it to a ‘rout’ next late Spring.

          The hypocrisy, of course, stinks.

          More to come, I’m sure.

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  31. 90

    How can anyone take him seriously – he has held the purse strings through 12 years of spending without reform – it is he who has made the era of the “Fat Cat” possible, billions and billions of OUR money – wasted on ridiculous managers for enviro diversity, Fat Czars etc all the time whilst the important things such as a lack of progress in education have been completely and utterly ignored or stats manipulated to cover it up. The evolution of Govt depts unfit for purpose such as Harringey’s childrens services has become the one success of this government. I cannot believe that any of the mainstream press bother to give him the airtime to come out with such utter B**ll**ks.

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    • 114
      G Brown - Saving the World - TO-DAY says:

      I am sorry you are totally wrong it’s well known(widely reported on the BBC and other well respected UK media outlets) the Tories NOT the Labour Government who have been to blame for EVERYTHING that’s happened over the past 12 years that they have been in Opposition

      Remember as I tell my best buddy Barack – it all started in America – nuthin’ t’do wi’ me Guv !!

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  32. 97
    Attila the Hun says:

    A warning from our own Lord Moncton….read it and be frightened

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    • 123
      Anonymous says:

      Money being transferred from the rich west to the poor third world…

      About fucking time !!!

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      • 171
        Mongrel says:

        Like Lakshmi Mittal, you mean?

        http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/industrials/article6945991.ece

        It won’t go to people who need it, It will go to oligarchs and kleptocracies, with a healthy commission siphoned off the top by various bureaucratic UN bodies. Do at least try to work out how the real world operates.

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      • 188
        We all buy energy and that is bad...but carbon trading will save polar bears says:

        Money being transferred from the poor who live in the ‘rich’ West to the elites of the Third World failed states.

        The ‘Rich’ have nothing to fear from Copenhagen.

        It’ll will make them richer.

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        • 246
          Mr Ned says:

          Exactly, Copenhagen is setting the scene for a cull of useless eaters!

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          • if you believe in man made global warming then why don't you kill yourself and do us all a favour! says:

            The NWO bankers controlling this hoax tax and fascist goverment sceme are the very same people who have impoveraged the third world with unrepayable debt.

            what makes you think they will lift the third world?

            it is simply a method of undemocratic global power by the elites who already own the third world and have done for some time.

            It is more about lowering the std of living and deindustrialising the west to make sure no western country has the power to rise up and defeat the global NWO.

            If you think for one second it is about to improve the lot of the third world then you are an insane brainwashed sheep – apparent to everyone but you it would appear!

            and as someone said already one of the first things the NWO have planned is the final solution for much of the third world, they have stated they want a 90% reduction of the worlds population.

            They have stated they wish to use food as a weapon, much the same as Stalin.

            population displacement and the erosion of national identity another one!

            who makes more of a carbon(the stuff that makes trees grow) a third world goat herder in the third world or one living in the UK.

            yet you dont hear the watermelon self hater communists screaming out against mass immigration, strange that huh.

            kind of exposes that they do not believe in their own theory when it contradicts their communist marxist ideology.

            and to even call these middleclass bedwetters marxist is a joke in itself, seeing as what they are doing is empowering the super rich while exposing everyone else to fascism.

            so before you blame your pathetic self hating self and the rest of the wests poor for the problems of the third world perhaps you should educate yourself about the people making such bogus claims and their past statements and actions.

            You are about to creat a fascist dictatorship that will make stalin and hitler look like amatures living in poverty!

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  33. 102
    mungle says:

    But for people pre occupied with x factor or celebrity jungle, 3 billion makes a good sound bite. Thats all he wants.

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    • 141
      Anonymous says:

      He likes big round numbers doesn’t he?

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    • 442
      Gordons distraction says:

      It’s a distraction from the fact that he is blowing hundreds of billions and an unrepayable debt to the NWO fascist dictatorship of world bankers and their puppets gathering in hoaxenhagen, even though they know they have been exposed as a hoax to the whole world! that is their arrogance, same as they did with no mandate for the EU fascist state.

      still think you live in a democracy?

      yep the same world bankers that own the third world with unrepayable debt and have done for decades.

      what you are about to see is the spread of the third world to the west – not the lifting of anything other than TOTAL power of the NWO – as stated by Dooom and W many times while you clowns were sleeping and playing party politics at Guidos blog of trivia and distraction, which is about as politically enlightening as the x factor.

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  34. 104

    Anyone hear Tariq Ali, commie of old, on start the week, R4 this morning?

    “Copenhagen may be the last chance to get communist ideals back onto the global stage.”

    Oh dear Tariq, that’s supposed to be just right wing paranoia – you’ve rather let the cat out of the bag.

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    • 154
      Al says:

      I heard Tariq Ali on this morning’s leftie-love-in on Radio 4. Typical BBC, a motley crew of Marxists, Trots, and liberal/socialists with a simpering BBC stooge sucking up to them. Not a dissenting voice in sight.

      Ali really let the cat out of the bag with regard to ‘climate change’ though, admitting it’s part of the Marxist’s strategy just like multi-culturalism, political correctness, psychoanalysis, and all their other tactical con-tricks.

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      • 441
        Anonymous says:

        Go to green-agenda.com and see what its all about.
        “The common enemy of humanity is man.
        In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up
        with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming,
        water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these
        dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through
        changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome.
        The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”
        – Club of Rome,
        premier environmental think-tank,
        consultants to the United Nations

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    • 175
      the Ghost of McCarthyism says:

      fucking communists
      I blame them for everything
      and if you don’t agree you obviously are a communist yourself
      communist fucking bankers ruining the communist economy

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      • 232

        S’true though. Common purpose scumbags and greenie infiltrators in all parts. Gramsci-esque marches on each and every institution. You telling me it isn’t true?

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        • 264
          Socialists are orcs says:

          I blame the totalitarian mindset…..we know what’s good for you ‘cos we have a theory and it’s ‘scientific’ and is proven through historical dialectics. A shining, new world of justice beckons. All we need to do is to get control of those immoral capitalists (all rich, of course) and those nasty employers and redistribute, and the lion shall lie down with the lamb.

          It’ll be a revolution, of course. But the end justifies the means.

          If communists and other fascists fit that bill, and use the politics of hate, manipulation and demagogery to shoe-horn humanity into their mad plans. then damn them to hell.

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          • Mr Gonzo Said says:

            We have let idle generations come into existence all to willingly, people who are too lazy and have no initiative and expect the state to care for them from cradle to the grave.

            This runs against the practicabilities of evolution and eventually leads to a stagnation and down ward spiral.

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          • the ignorant will willingly push their own granny into a gas chamber says:

            It was deliberate you mug, a method to de-industrialise the west,
            all the while flooding the country with immigrants leading to further dispare, dispondency and national fragmentation.

            No doubt you are also another mug screaming `racist` at those that tried to warn you.

            eventually the NWO will pull the rug and start the death camps – who will be first I wonder?

            No doubt you will be cheering for them, that is until it is your turn, however seeing as you are a pathetic sheep you may be safe, may even get to operate the gas chambers yourself – for a while.

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          • Mr Gonzo Said says:

            Is that you Nick?

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  35. 106
    P1 says:

    Darling says they will cancel an unnecessary NHS IT system to save money. What other unnecessary items has Brown ordered be funded over the last 12 years? Brown can’t admit to mistakes of course, his courageous side won’t let him, but everyone knows he’s the man who has bust the country – this situation is so ridiculous and so illogical and idefensible that I can’t believe one of his one side hasn’t lamped him yet.

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    • 287
      Ever vigilant Audit Office says:

      It is a little late in the day to cancel the NHS IT system, it has only overidden its government stated costs by £11.5 billion, what is all the fuss about?

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  36. 117
    Tom says:

    Guido,

    Can you update the pie chart to show the deficit as well? Or perhaps another chart showing the cuts as part of the deficit.

    Ta.

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  37. 118
    The Hitch says:

    Pay cuts?

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    • 156
      Engineer says:

      Very much a reality for many in the private sector. Many are on short time, many have taken pay cuts to help keep the company alive, and many have lost jobs altogether. The public sector will have to bear it’s share of the pain sooner or later.

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  38. 120
    Anonymous says:

    Have now read all 78 comments and as a result feel totally miserable and depressed about the future. Mind you,at 80 years of age there can’t be much future left for me.No need for any of you to respond because it occurs to me that the majority of you are probably younger than I and will have to continue to exist in this politician devised mess long after I have shuffled off this mortal coil. Politically correct seasonal greetings and happy voting to you all.

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  39. 122
    The Hitch says:

    Pay cuts for senior civil servants FUCK OFF!
    Just how the fuck will that go down in an employment tribunal?
    But Sun and Mirror readers will believe it.
    On the plus side maybe just maybe it could backfire on Wacko Jocko if a few “servants” could get rooting in the filing cabinets and put the evidence of wrong doing into the public domain out of sheer malice.

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    • 161
      Engineer says:

      How do pay cuts go down with employment tribunals in the private sector?

      The public services currently cost the country 50% more than it earns. (Guvmint income £400 billion, guvmint expenditure £600 billion – round figures.)

      Summat’s got to give, hasn’t it?

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      • 177
        It's a trap! says:

        They won’t tackle it until they are forced to. If petrol stopped being pumped, and food disappeared off the supermarket shelves just before Xmas as a result of our credit being stopped. then you would see insurrection like at no other time before.

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        • 278
          Mr Ned says:

          nah, the Brits don’t do insurrections. They would all gather round and mutter and tut a lot!

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          • Archer Karcher says:

            The ZaNuLab core chavscum vote will become very nasty indeed if their Giro`s do not arrive on time.

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          • Mr Ned says:

            Yes Archer, they will, but the chav’s will burn down the local post offices, or attack their local bank Branch, instead of finding the Ministers responsible and tearing them to pieces

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      • 199
        The Hitch says:

        Aye lad

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  40. 131
    Anonymous says:

    Only the benefit claimants will be left all the real earners are on their way to pastures cheaper

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  42. 142
    Anonymous says:

    Guido the article by the Libertarian alliance which you provide the link to is perhaps the most ignorant and stupid article I have read for some time. When will people realise that you & your children are more likely to be killed by a drink driver than by a “criminal”. Have you perhaps got some guilty secret which you are looking to justify ???

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    • 189

      No, everyone knows.

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      • 363
        Anonymous says:

        Fair point Guido I stand corrected but it is stupid article though.

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      • 369
        Anonymous says:

        An example of the lunacy contained in said article…

        “If we want to reduce the number of deaths on the roads, drinking and driving should not in itself be a crime. It should be possible for a person to drink a bottle of whisky, get into a car and drive away – and the authorities should have no power to stop this.”

        Utter madness !

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    • 196
      The Hitch says:

      Killed by a drink driver?
      I know for a fact that Mrs Fawkes doesnt allow him to drive, so thats the Fawkes family safe.

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    • 281
      Mr Ned says:

      When was causing death by drinking whilst under the influence of alcohol made legal?

      Surely if someone is killed by a drunk driver, then that is a CRIME? ipso facto, they have been killed by a “criminal.”

      So Anonymous 0 – Libertarian alliance 1.

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      • 430
        Anonymous says:

        Mr Ned WTF are u on about ??? Read the article and you shall see what Im talking about and also notice Ive put “Criminal” in inverted commas to draw attention to the fact that many people dont consider drink driving to be a real “crime “. Im making exactly the point you claim Im not making ???? How the hell you conclude otherwise is beyond me.

        So for the record Mr Ned do you agree with the Libetarian alliance on this matter which they sum up nicely with there senario about drinking a bottle of whiskey and being free to drive away ???

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    • 326
      Engineer says:

      Don’t drink and drive. You’ll spill it.

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  43. 147
    Ssshhhhh says:

    Rumours abound that Rod Liddle is to be dumped by the Speccie. Summat to do with “racism”.

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    • 159
      Uncle Rastus says:

      So he should be
      He is white

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      • 182
        Anonymous says:

        he’s a cun’t which is more to the point
        still he’s good entertainment
        has he been losing his mind over vi*gra and infidelity again ?

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    • 165
      Jon says:

      He dared to challenge multi-culti orthodoxy and the ethnic agenda now they’re trying to hang him out to dry.

      BTW Try posting a comment in support of him. Chances are the mods won’t let ift through.

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    • 176
      Moley says:

      Will the Speccie give in to a leftie Twitter campaign.?

      Liberals ban free speech?

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      • 193
        udderly 'orrible says:

        Indeed.

        It’s time to rally round Mr Liddle as the Danish press did when the mad mooolahs pillaged and burned over the cartoons.

        Free speech is at stake again but of course multi-cultis+mooolahs unite in a crass crusade to impose conformity to the PC/Marxist agenda.

        This is the country of Magna Carta, the home to the Mother of all democratic Parliaments — you could ‘ve fooled me.

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      • 218

        Liberals? Leftwingers never have been and never can be “liberal. They’re collectivists cocks who are only truly happy when they’re marching along shouting maggie maggie maggie, out out out, or otherwise subsuming themeselves in a pitiful mashup of juvenile hypocritical Brigstockery. Fucktards one and all.

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        • 228
          Mongrel says:

          Bang on Frank. I am sick of people who have absolutely no respect for other people’s civil liberties describing themselves as liberals. I have pretty much had the same political views for 30 years and have been moved from marginally left-of-centre to extreme right, as the chattering classes have become ever more statist. There has been a real rise in Stalinism among people who have grown up without understanding with the Soviet system failed.

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          • Sir William Waad says:

            It’s true. Liberals want to ban everything, conservatives want to change everything, radicals pursue the same tired old ideas that were shown to have failed forty years ago, climate change experts believe that natural climate change has stopped after 4.7 billion years, socialists are bent on creating an elite, multiculturalism is a single dominant culture and there is only one Competition Commission.

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      • 226

        Oh, and wouldn’t you know, it appears that famous stalinist/liberal Sunny “twat” Hundal is behind the twitter campaign. Apparently it’s racist to describe a couple of arseholes as “human filth” simply because they try to drown one of their girlfriends in case her preganancy gets in the way of their career. Sunny’s wretched little acolytes instead say that society is to blame. Agreed. It wos society that clubbed that girl over the head and shoved her in the canal – sixty million of us there were on that towpath, all clubbing away like billyoh.

        What a fucking arsehole that man is.

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        • 237
          Ed says:

          Sunny Hundal and the other rabid lefties, multi-cultists, and their useful idiots are only doing what you expect this rabble to do. What I really don’t like is the mods at the Spectator who are publishing loads of comments from these scumbags while knocking back loads of posts from people supporting Rod Liddle.

          There’s something wrotten at the Spectator.

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  44. 172
    Moley says:

    Public Sector Rich List.

    Cuts can start here.

    http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/waste/2009/12/new-research-public-sector-rich-list-2009.html

    Courtesy Tax Payers Alliance.

    Will anyone tell us how many people the Government sent to Copenhagen and what was the cost?

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    • 179
      fuck the bankers says:

      Since many of the banks are mostly public sector owned, bailed out and backed up with generous multi-billion guarantees are they on that list ?

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    • 180
      Moley says:

      Bangs head on wall.

      Sorry, I missed the link in Guido’s post, in too much of a hurry.

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    • 298
      Mr Ned says:

      Add the publicly funded quangos, think tanks and the BBC, who have sent many OB units and are producing more CO2 themselves than a small town!

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  45. 181
    Gordon Brown (evil scum) says:

    And the stinking evil loony war criminal left-Nazi bastard, is going to agree demented’ and hideously expensive’ measures at the Copenhagen (let’s keep the lie going so we can rape and pillage the poor) kleptocracy (climate) meeting.

    Gordon Brown is a vile sick loathsome evil animal. He has destroyed England.

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  46. 190
    Sunday Morning says:

    WE need to keep with Gordon Bown…he recognises the policies that are needed and he is quick with this recognition…in some cases it is less than a year afterthe Tories have announced them!

    how can we not acknowledge the depth of iknowledge and consistency of a man who cam eout with this in 2007…

    “And I believe it will be said of this age, the first decades of the 21st century, that out of the greatest restructuring of the global economy, perhaps even greater than the industrial revolution, a new world order was created. ”

    He’s right! it’s already happening. A New World order is emerging in which the UK is fast disappearing from the upper echelons

    “The financial services sector in Britain and the City of London at the centre of it, is a great example of a highly skilled, high value added, talent driven industry that shows how we can excel in a world of global competition. Britain needs more of the vigour, ingenuity and aspiration that you already demonstrate that is the hallmark of your success. ”

    Right again! just look at the fantastic bonuses they are generating for themselves just months aftr the world was plunged into a near financial meltdown!

    Stick with Brown….you know it makes cents!

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    • 416
      Effrum the ratarded rabbit says:

      hahahahaha god now this is good! the best yet pmsl you should be on telly ! no really being shot against a wall !.

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  47. 200

    Seems like a nice girl our Suzy

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  48. 203
    Dave "Cast Iron Guarantee" Cameron says:

    Gordon Brown was up in court for buggering his cat. The case was dismissed because the judge refused to believe a Scotsman would put anything into a fucking kitty

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    • 210
      KL says:

      The first thing Brown did when he became Prime Minister and moved into No 10 was to have Humphrey the Downing St cat put down. Humphrey had already been chased away by Cherie Blair but animal-hating Brown delivered the final blow.

      It was funny once when a dog got past Brown’s minders and walked up to him. Though the dog was friendly, Brown shat himself and ran away.

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      • 223
        PROFFESSOR REECE CYCLING says:

        When the revolution comes and the tanks roll into downing street ,the militarys first job should be to execute brown on the steps of no 10 then kick his miserable useless carcass in to the gutter ,and leave it there to rot as a warning to an future scum bag unelected leaders !

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      The Hitch says:

      Or in wacko jockos case
      a pussy (sans turkey inseminator)

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  49. 212
    PROFFESSOR REECE CYCLING says:

    but he wont cut areas where his core vote is such as local government, nhs or people on benifits . Otherwise no one will vote for them !

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  50. 227
    Penfold says:

    Cuts?

    I thought he had spent the last 13 years INVESTING in the bloody civil infrastructure. Where’s the wretched dividend?

    Time for the FSA to step in and take legal action for wilful missfeasance and flogging a duff bill of goods to the public investors in this shabby little PONZI scheme that Gordo the Incompentant Twat has foisted upon us.

    If GIT wants cuts, he can have a thousand of ‘em right across his miserable torso.
    Hmmm, He might actually like that, orff with his heid.

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  51. 229
    GD says:

    Why does so-called comedian Marcus Brigstocke get on the BBC all the time when he’s as funny as a red hot poker up the arse?

    Is it because he’s a Labour-luvvie and his brother is a bigwig at the BBC?

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      Climate Change Denier and Proud says:

      Does he like cock up the arse? That is normally the requirement to get on the BBC.

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      I Hate new Labour says:

      I detest him.

      Who on earth finds him funny?

      He’s like Ben Elton without Blackadder.

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    • 249
      Sir William Waad says:

      Yes.

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      The good thing about Brigstocke is the weakness of the man, like that other trot Mark Steele – when you *look* at the man, when he’s not telling a “joke”, all that’s in his eyes is fear. Fear that his own fuckingshittery will be discovered, that the bubble will pop, that his pitiful lack of talent will be exposed.

      Just watch his eyes. It’s all there.

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        The IMF is coming says:

        Just like GB – you wonder how on earth they have got away with it for so long

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        Gonk says:

        Frank.
        The BBC provides a career lifebelt
        for all these commies and I think you’re
        right about the eyes. They all seem
        to have a hunted animal look.

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      • 401
        Bottle-fed Triplet says:

        And which school did Mark Steele go to? Bog Standard Comprehensive in run-down working class area?

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    • 421
      Bottle-fed Triplet says:

      You only have to wait with the ‘Alternatives’ of this world. Desperately identifying with the “right-on”, slagging off Thatcher, living in the “right area” (Schools, you know), house in town, not too flashy, driving a VW Polo with bird crap on the roof. But give them a few years on the Beeb and then watch them slide effortlessly in to a cumfy, well upholstered middle age. When they hit fifty, boy oh boy, you wanna see their bank balance with the second and third homes and the trust funds for the kiddies!

      Yes, all this struggle is all well and good for the little people, but not for us they cry!!

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    • 526
      Golden Days says:

      I actually, for the first time, turned off the NOW SHOW. Its pathetic socialist bias was nauseating.

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  52. 231

    Bin Laden has done less harm that Mctwat to this country. We paid for them to have a parliament up there so why cant him and his kiltlifters fuck off up there.

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  53. 239
    Climate Change Denier and Proud says:

    Can someone remind me of how we cut up William Wallace again? Was it

    Balls first
    Guts
    Legs
    Arms
    Head

    If so those are the only cuts I want to see on this one eyed mong.

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    • 334
      Anonymous says:

      Do not compare Wallace with Brown. Wallace was brave and had courage. Brown on the other hand…..

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  54. 245
    Watt Tyler says:

    Scandal: Despite Increase in Foreign Aid, MOD Cuts Benefits to Wounded Soldiers: http://eotp.wordpress.com/2009/08/30/scandal-despite-increase-in-foreign-aid-mod-cuts-benefits-to-wounded-soldiers/

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    • 532
      Moley says:

      The BBC will be outraged by this contempt for our troops and will doubtless give it prominence in all their news programmes.

      The litmus test of impartiality.

      Watch them fail it.

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  55. 253
    Sir William Waad says:

    I don’t think Brown is only temperamentally incapable of controlling spending. I think he is also intellectually incapable of it. He simple doesn’t understand money, numbers or taxation. That wouldn’t be such a problem if he realised that he was a dunce in these areas and was prepared to listen to advice, but he combines arrogance and incompetence, the privilege of the unelected elite down the ages.

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      Golden Days says:

      It was interesting to listen to the language, rather than content, of his effort this morning. It was full of the cliches of social studies textbooks that I remember the more stupid of my fellow students were trying to read back in the late sixties.

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  56. 255
    GTi says:

    OT

    “Rod Liddle accused of racism for blog
    Rod Liddle, the journalist and magazine columnist, has been accused of racism after suggesting in a blog that young African-Caribbean men were responsible for most of the crime in London. ……”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6749156/Rod-Liddle-accused-of-racism-for-blog.html

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      QI says:

      Sunny Hundal (aka Ludlow Spinks) is organising a lynch mob for Rod Liddle. The Spectator mods seem to be in on it too by censoring most of the posts supporting Rod.

      Don’t challenge PC doctrine or you will be destroyed.

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        udderly 'orrible says:

        So lets hold Nelson to his word.

        “Fraser Nelson, editor of The Spectator, said: “The Spectator stands up for the right to offend; our blogs often say things that people find offensive but that’s part of our right of free expression. Rod is one of the greatest writers in Britain today. His column and blog are loved by readers. It’s a significant part of my job as editor to defend people’s rights to be offensive.” “

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      • 291
        anon says:

        I’d knock that p a k i out on his ass.

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      Mr Ned says:

      As I have always said, if the African-Caribbean community do not want to be tainted with the stigma of being disproportianately responsible for violent crime, then they should stop committing it. When the stats stop supporting that “racists stereotype” then the stereotype will no longer apply!

      I cannot see anything inaccurate in what Rod Liddle wrote and anyone that is attacking his words is an apologist for muggers and rapists.

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      • 337
        udderly 'orrible says:

        Evening Standard:
        “Rod Liddle branded ‘racist’ for blog blaming crime on black men
        Anna Davis, Health Reporter”

        Health Reporter!
        A “racist” is now a health issue?
        Brownian-Ballsian-Hateperson delusional B*llocks at its worst.

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        • 379
          Dezzie says:

          Perhaps white people shouldn’t be allowed to write articles in the mainstream press if they can’t be trusted to stay on message?

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  57. 257
    jgm2 says:

    OT

    In Labour’s surreal world – ‘Volunteering should be compulsary’

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8396234.stm

    Ahahahahaha. They’ve really not got the hang of this ‘volunteering’ crack have they?

    Meanwhile the true cost of hiding 50% of 18 – 21 year olds from the dole queues is spelt out:

    university students would be required to carry out 100 hours of community service in recognition of the subsidy the state pays towards their education – estimated at £8,000.

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      “The £450m cost of the scheme would be funded by levying interest on student loans. ”

      So they *pay* for their own compulsory “volunteering”. Genius.

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    • 271
      genghiz the kahn says:

      Is this XaNuLab cretin thinking of setting up something similar to Komsomol, Freie Deutsche Jugend and other Youth organisations?

      More state control, more indocrination, more compulsion.

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        jgm2 says:

        I really do think this Labour government of all the imbeciles could be handing the Tories (or the right) a complete generation of students just as the left appears to have had a monopoly on students since the 1960s (and possibly earlier).

        If you consider that students now have to pay for the privilege of a third rate course from some fourt-rate rebadged adult literacy college, garduate with 20K in debt in order to work in a fucking call-centre, are having their pension age moved away faster than they’re actually aging and this imbecile government is now suggesting they report to work-camps then this generation of voters is there for the taking.

        Particularly when it is pointed out to them that the same self=serving jackass Labour governmnet responsible for all this enjoyed not just free education but actually student grants – paid to go to university. That they enjoyed far better schools (grammar) in which to qualify to go to university. That they have systematically piulled up the ladder of social mobility behind them. That they’ve deliberately moved the retirement date to affect only those who are not baby boomers. And on top of all that they’re running up unheard of national debt and deficits (payable by their kids) just so that they can spend another few months flying around the world to conferences being ‘terribly important’.

        This government is not just starting a class war and a racial war it’s also at war with its own children.

        If Cameron is to turn the tables on Brown’s class war then this is the angle to go for. Labour is at war with its own children. Even Labour voters with their Stockholm-syndrome mentality should be able to see through the evil of irresponsibly running up massive debts and handing them to your kids.

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          Mr Ned says:

          despite being the wrong side of 40, I will definitely be on the side of the kids in this battle! My own child is being royally screwed by this labour maladministration

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          nah. They’re students. They still elect labour biffs to the NUS.

          It’s all Maggie’s fault, haven’t you heard? Double seat, double seat, got to get a double seat.

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          I B Seldom-Lucid says:

          They are not at war with their own children. They are at war with our children They have all made themselves extremely rich on our money and will pay for their childrens’ education with their pensions and profits of property deals that we have all paid for.

          Hyprocrites is far too mild a term. They are utter scum – all of them! I would be very happy to see them all hanged.

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      Mr Ned says:

      Copying the Americans, Obarmy called for the same thing.

      Obama wanted the whole country to embrace Compulsory Voluntary Service, and they really cannot see the irony in a Black man calling for compulsory voluntary servitude!

      Yessir Massa, I done volunteered to wear my chains, Massa!!!!

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      • 317
        Mr Ned says:

        i just read the BBC peice, it is David Lammy, a black MP pushing for this. You could not fucking make it up! A Black MP trying to reintroduce slavery!

        Who are the fucking racists now?

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    • 375
      Bottle-fed Triplet says:

      Oh Dear, David Lammy, Again!! I had to listen to him at a seminar on renewable energy. All the other speakers gave talks about er…. renewable energy! He went in to a rant about how wrong it was that only 3% of architects were black, Huh???

      I suspect he is a bit of a token, like the entirely dopey “Baroness” Scotland. Which is a shame because there are a lot of very capable black people who could do a good job in governement. Perhaps they have more sense and don’t want to get involved.

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        jgm2 says:

        I’ve heard it said that the success of all this ‘Celebrity Come-Dancing’ and ‘I’m a Celebrity – Get meout of here’ is down to the producers getting in a wide variety of folk from different sport and meeja backgrounds hence you’ll get a rugby player and a cricket player and somebody off Corrie and somebody off Eastenders and…. somebody from the past for the oldies… and so on.

        The thinking being that each of these will bring their own viewing demographic. So it is with the Labour cabinet (and indeed their efforts to rig all women-lists and Blair babes etc). So you have the pig ignorant Prescott and the wimmin like Harman, (ex) Smith, Flint, Blears, the ethnics like Uddin and this Lammy.

        Knowledgeable? Competent? Capable?

        Who gives a shit. Just get this multi-culti inclusive cabinet out there.

        And that’s how you end up with a completely incompetent PM and a completely incompetent Cabinet and a completely incompetent government.

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        Mr Ned says:

        “I suspect he is a bit of a token, like the entirely dopey “Baroness” Scotland. Which is a shame because there are a lot of very capable black people who could do a good job in governement. Perhaps they have more sense and don’t want to get involved.”
        ————————————–

        Exactly. All the good ones would not touch this bunch of treasonous war criminals with a barge-pole.

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    • 455
      Susie says:

      Just think… Sally Bercow could have charged for her ‘services’ and paid back the State for most of her free at the time education.

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    • 515
      HungParliamentGate says:

      “I hope the recommendations from this excellent report find their way in to the next Labour manifesto”

      David Lammy
      Higher Education Minister

      So do I David so do I.

      Can I also suggest that the term “Manifesto” be replaced with the term “Suicde note”

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  58. 259
    Anonymous says:

    The Prime Minister has met Dr Mong Joon Chung

    http://www.number10.gov.uk/Page21631

    A pair of Mongs then.

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      The IMF is coming says:

      If you have any connections with South Korea this is your last warning before the curse strikes

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  59. 260
    Dave "Cast Iron Guarantee" Cameron says:

    A little boy was in the school’s bathroom. He found there was no toilet paper so he used his hand. When he got back to his classroom the teacher asked what he had in his hand.

    “A little leprechaun, and if I open my hand he’ll get scared away.”

    The teacher couldn’t get him to open his hand and sent him to the principal who also asked what he had in his hand.

    “A little leprechaun, and if I open my hand he’ll get scared away.”

    He was sent home with a note asking to see his parents, so his mum asked him what he had in his hand.

    “A little leprechaun, and if I open my hand he’ll get scared away.”

    He was sent to his room. In a while his dad came in and asked, “What do you have in your hand?”

    Again came the reply, “It’s a little leprechaun, and if I open my hand he’ll get scared away.”

    His dad ordered him to open his hand, and as he did so the boy said “Oh no, Dad, look; you scared the shit out of him!”

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    Socialism sucks says:

    Pathetic “Gord”.

    You have had years to do this and now 6 months before the election, you decide to act. Its bad enough you have let the pay get out of control, but now you are trying to be the medicine. Its stupid.

    How long before Labour start blaming Thatcher for public sector pay?

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    • 331
      Mr Ned says:

      I don’t think that they ever stopped blaming Thatcher, did they? Gosh, darn, I missed that meeting!

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  61. 272
    ExEng says:

    But everything he does is with conviction, but devoid of reason. He is that man out side the station with the placard “Doom and dust”.

    Yesterdays video posted of the two bottles and the lamps made me think. If CO2 was that good, surely the theory of Global warming is stupid.

    Yes, it seems I am a bit late to this idea. CO2 is such a good greenhouse gas it has NO effect on climate. Changing the quantities still means that all the radiation that it can absorb is absorbed. The only difference is in the frequencies that it poorly absorbs. But these quantities are so tiny in comparison to other effects it is irrelevant.

    Since CO2 has the wonderful ability to distribute itself around the world and not condense or evaporate, or have an active cycle, the effects are uniform.

    However, water clumps together, (they are called clouds). So they affect the in-bound radiation as well as the out-bound radiation. Reflecting off a cloud top is normal, that is why they are so bright above and dark below. So the ratio of big clouds to general water vapour is what determines our climate temperature. Simplistically, the big ones stop it on the way in and the water vapour stops it on the way out. As both can vary this is what gives us our crisp cold cloudless nights.

    So why does anyone even suspect CO2 to have an effect when one of the main uses of oil is to create vapour trails high in the atmosphere. Over the Liverpool area we do not have the clear skies of my childhood anymore. There is always a dense pattern of vapour lines from the aircraft that last into the night. At night there is no Sun! so the only effect is to block the outbound energy. Hence why when I was a child, Liverpool had a night of -27C and now it is T-Shirt weather. This is supported by the Met office data that shows the night time temperatures are to blame for the so called increased average temperature. (One day some one will explain how max/min temperatures are related in any way to average). This is also supported by the temperature readings in the US during the days after 9/11. It showed that the climate was effected by the reduction in air travel.

    It seems CO2 is innocent. It is just a innocent party that mixes well around the world, and can be used to put the blame on every individual uniformly and create the story of “Doom and dust” for all.

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      Mr Plum says:

      Yes and dont forget that before the industrial revolution droughts, floods and changes in the climate were unheard of.

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        Noah says:

        I should fucking well say so.

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        • 410
          Pharoah says:

          Droughts? Floods? Plagues?

          Nope. Not ’round here. Why in my day this was all green fields. You don’t seriously think we built our homes and monuments in the middle of a fucking desert do you?

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          • Effrum the ratarded rabbit says:

            Er guys just found this book in a hotel draw and my god [well he's the one on the thanks page ] ,it say’s the very same “Droughts? Floods? Plagues” eeeep this god person must be Omnipotent ! could be a mate of milly the ped !

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      I B Seldom-Lucid says:

      If CO2 is so very bad for the planet, why did the governments of the world not consider banning carbonation of beverages? Does anybody have figures for how much CO2 is used in production of fizzy pop, beer. cider etc? I would have thought that a pretty easy hit – but then the industries concerned might come back and say blaming CO2 is piss poor science.

      Points of pedantry ExEng – water vapour is an invisible gas that does not follow the Gas Laws. Contrails from aircraft are Condensation Trails of condensed water vapour from jet engine emissions. They are almost invariably ice crystals at altitude. Vapour trails from fast moving aircraft at low level are also commonly seen. The water vapour in the expanded flow in vortices condenses into visible water droplets.

      I doubt that Liverpool has had night time temperature of -27 degrees C very often.

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        Mine d'Boggles says:

        Luckily, the CO2 in fizzy drinks is a by-product of the brewing industry. Ban CO2 = ban beer. Don’t think that will fly.

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          I B Seldom-Lucid says:

          But, but, but, but Gordon says we are on the brink of a catastrophe. Or does carbonated beer, fizzy pop, whatever, use a different grade of CO2 that is not a problem?

          The trouble with these effing pollies is that they all think they got where they are by being extremely clever – ergo everybody else is thick. Whereas we know they got there by being lying, deceitful scheming turd burglars without a principle between them.

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        Mr Ned says:

        Indeed, I wonder when they will ban the big producers of tomatoes and other green-house grown food from pumping tons of extra CO2 into those greenhouses?

        And I wonder if they will be compensated for their 50% reduction in yields?

        The whole CO2 scam really pisses me off, as it is utterly without foundation in science, AT ALL!

        I note that NOAA (also implicated in the CRU Email leak scandal, known as “climategate”) is now excluding data from its own ARGO sub surface bouys in its data analysis. Well, the Argo Bouys have been accurately reporting ocean temperatures for almost a decade now and have not found any sign of sea temperature increase. So they ignore their own data.

        And they say the science is settled? Yeah, in the same way that all devout Catholics believe in God! I guess the ARGO bouys are all funded by the evil oil companies and are flat-earthers too!

        Actually, It has been mentioned that not one of these thousands of sub-sea ARGO buoys has reported that the holocaust happened. Not a ONE, so you have a cast eye-ron link between climate denial and holocaust denial there!

        Proof if any more were needed then!

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      • 435
        ExEng says:

        OK, Water vapour as opposed to the stuff in the seas. Just what form the water turns onto when left to nature, is up to the environment, but when it leaves the engine it is quite hot. Honest!

        But to get -27C you really do need very clear and dry skies in the evening. Now there are so many planes, going out over the beacon, across the Atlantic the night times are quite warm.

        As for beverages, that is where a lot of the captured carbon dioxide goes. Along with Urea fertilizer. Both routes mean the CO2 ends up in the atmosphere. So you see it is quite secure! Burp! The other issue I looked into was the water extraction from bore holes. It seems that the amount of CO2 that comes up with that water is a significant amount, especially as it takes fuel to pump it out. But then I do not think CO2 is the issue. From my travels it is the misuse of the world fresh water that is destroying this planet.

        Why have the Gulf storms been more deadly on shore recently. Other than the Pacific cycles, there is one major contributor. That is the extraction and misuse of the river waters. If you look at the satellite pictures in the hurricane season the rivers flow heavily and cool the coast line of the northern Gulf. This removes the heat needed to sustain the storms as they get near the land. Look at how much water is now extracted from those rivers to support the irrigation, now that the aquifers are nearly dry. Using the rivers for oil refinery and power station cooling also does not help.

        Just one final point because of the way the jet stream works: generally wiggling south over the US and then north over the Atlantic. Any weather alteration from irrigation in the US alters our weather systems. Unlike the banking crisis, our weather and sea currents do start in the US.

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          ExEng says:

          Therefore there is more evidence for the US to compensate the UK for its unsustainable activities, than to ever to compensate a small Pacific Atoll or over farmed river delta on the other side of the world. Especially when the locals have done their best to destroy the areas themselves.

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  62. 275
    Francis Horner says:

    Gudio – You should redo the graphic with the defecit highlighted as well, just to depress us all more.

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  63. 283
    A Loon says:

    WELL THERE GOES MY GRAND IDEA!

    I was hoping to get into parliament and pass a ‘Hookers 4 All’ bill. Maybe we can still save it somehow.

    Citizens of the United Kingdom, lend me your votes.

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  64. 286
    A Loon says:

    I wouldn’t mind splurging all over that lovely Tax Payers Alliance ladies face, but the straight jacket may put her off.

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  65. 309
    barefootcontessa says:

    Clive Stafford Smith slams the government about rendition. Rice grower wrongly detained for 5 years. What a scandal! and Jack the Straw swore blind he didn’t know anything about rendition!

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  66. 312
    In the dock says:

    I hear Browns masterplan is to have operations done over the Internet .
    If you gave cancer of the pancreas for example, they send you the relevant kit including injections and rubber gloves.
    Then you hook up online to a surgeon in Delhi who is running the same operation with 55 other patients and he tells you how to operate on yourself,bit like the chess grandmaster playing simultaneously with a hall full of players.
    You just need to make sure you keep up with his instructions otherwise you could get very confused. Of course this assumes you have elected to have a local anesthetic and not a general.
    Fuck me we are so doomed with this madman.

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    • 319
      The IMF is coming says:

      I was only looking for the train times to St Pancras but ended up with major self inflicted surgery.

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    • 329
      Anonymous says:

      Do you think you will be allowed to log onto these self surgical sites anonomously or will they ask for your e mail address and last three digits on the back of your credit card ? Oh yes and also will the kits they send you out include some drugs ??

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    • 336
      Sir William Waad says:

      At least you wouldn’t get MRSA or E Coli.

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      shelling-out says:

      Sounds just like the tax system, doesn’t it?!

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      Boycott the Licence Fee says:

      Oh yeah? Well what about the aftercare? How can that be done over the internet? Or are you just going to allow post-operative patients to starve to death surrounded by their own piss and filth, as currently happens?

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      • 414
        Newly qualified 'nurse'. says:

        I’ve got a BSC in nursing studies. I don’t do food or piss and filth – that’s for the Filipinas and Sri Lankan auxilliary staff. I take blood temperature and temperature morning and afternoon and that’s it.

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  67. 316
    Al says:

    Hmmmmm, what have Gordon and his goons been up to now…..

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6945942.ece

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    • 327
      jgm2 says:

      Majority of 6,600 is a ‘safe seat’? I think these two laydees are the classic case of two bald men arguing over a comb.

      A ‘safe’ majority of 6,600 will be turned into a safe minority of 10,000 come May/June. Labour has no chance of holding any seat with a majority of less than 10,000.

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  68. 335
    BillyBob ... preparing for Gov't. says:

    The Great Leader has spoken, all is well, all is saved…… not !

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    • 429
      michael says:

      no the great leader has read,he just read the words (and not very well,lots of mistakes) no conviction in his voice,and at such a speed ,it was as if he wanted to be some where else,i was not convinced,michael.

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  69. 342
    Chopper Harris says:

    “Brown’s Cuts Are Trivial”

    What?

    ‘es been in accident or somit??

    I’ll show him how good my tackles were, he knows noffin’ , take that you miserable git……….. (slide tackles brown around the neck)

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  70. 345
    Sir William Waad says:

    Gordon’s economy efforts are like a bankrupt switching to non-vintage champagne.

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  71. 346

    i have written to the Pinkstinks campaign. You couldnt make it up could you

    http://www.pinkstinks.com

    Anyway here’s what I sent the 2 hairy angels that invented this twottish so called campaign.

    Dear Stinkers

    Had a little chin wag with my 2 daughters about your campaign and they wanted me to give you some feedback.

    Fuck off bollocks you are Hunts.

    maybe 2pink is for poofs would be a more effective title. I assume your young children know all about that now that its part of the school curriculum.

    You are the worst kind of mind control freaks that are turning our (your) children in to namby pamby, useless, thick as mince, no opinion, state sucking leeches.

    By the way I want to be led up as many pink alleys as possible

    luv from

    Pink Lollipop

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    • 374

      pinkstinks?

      are they for real?

      Didnt’ it strike them that might sound a bit…. rude?

      Mind, the world needs feminists, otherwise there’d be this massive great gap between labour ministers and retards – feminists slot right into that IQ cavern, interpolating nicely like a yamal tree ring and some developer’s random biro scrawl…

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  72. 350
    Cynic says:

    Gordon’s promise of cuts is the equivalent of Fred West promising to attend an anger management course

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  73. 386
    Boycott the Licence Fee says:

    Anyone smell a rat over the BoE’s wish to see far more fivers in circulation? I’ll bet they won’t be that new, either. The first sign that things are going tits up will be an increasing number of moth-eaten old fivers in circulation. Notes that would formerly have been withdrawn and burned. Keep an eye on your change and remember the proportion of new fivers to old, moth-eaten ones is the key here.

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  74. 390
    WTF? says:

    Hey take a look at the official COP15 website and see who are sponsoring the event.

    Car makers? Airlines? Global distributors? Electronics companies? Manufacturers?

    http://en.cop15.dk/about+cop15

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  75. 391
    Sir William Waad says:

    I misread the headline ‘Brown’s Cuts Are Trivial’ at first, thinking that it was a comment on the shallowness of Labour’s Front Bench.

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  76. 405
    Anonymous says:

    Cameron’s guarantees are not worth the paper they were printed in.

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  77. 412
    Disaffected says:

    Gordon Brown has said overpaid public sector workers will be “named and shamed” – its his bloody government that have set public sector pay! WHAT A TWIT and yes the ‘I’ in twit was a mistake!

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      Anonymous says:

      So Gordon takes on hundreds of thousands of more staff. He then overpays his top personnel and because HE has overpaid them he places their names on the internet to shame them for his errors?

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      Golden Days says:

      Amongst the myriad of idiotic ideas Brown has revealed to a stunned public, I think this naming and shaming of public sector workers that were created by his own bureaucratic system takes the biscuit.

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    In the dock says:

    Browns self curse strikes again!
    The advisers on cuts who advised Labour themselves just buggered off over to the Tories, announced today by Philip Hammond of the Tories!!
    Christ, Brown will be pushed over the edge now with this announcement , he will so doomed and dead man mincing!

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  80. 437

    Can people please stop patronising cockneys like myself?

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  81. 443
    Jonah says:

    Jenson Button’s racing career is over.

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  82. 448

    when they said brown had announced we get cuts i thoght for a minute there was an N in it. Now that would be a vote winner!!!!

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    Anonymous says:

    It\’s getting hotter out their and all the glaciers are melting.

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  85. 469
    Charlie says:

    Takes me 4 hrs to connect to your web page and another 4 hrs to turn the page to the comments. Is this my server or are others having the same problem?

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  86. 470
    Shhhh...but have you heard the rumour says:

    Labour plan 50% tax on salaries 50k +

    (but not until after the election, assuming they get in.haha)

    I wonder what else they have planned if they somehow manage to cling onto power?

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  87. 476
    Anonymous says:

    Will the Tow rags double VAT like they did last time?

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  88. 478
    Anonymous says:

    back slashes\’ are irritating.

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  89. 479
    Anonymous says:

    Copper bottomed has a nice ring to it.

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  90. 482
    Grape Nuts says:

    I get the the general feeling that most SME business owners are effectively treading water until Brown fucks off

    It is impossible to invest in your business or pension whilst Brown is writing new legislation each night with his big crayon

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      BillyBob ... preparing for Gov't. says:

      Shame on you……. The Great Leader is doing his best, he just needs more time, perhaps another term in office? After all they have only had 12 years to get it wrong..

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  91. 488
    miserable old git says:

    So Wednesday is Alastair’s big day – will it be realistic planning or just more creative accounting – as I was saying to my wife’s sister in bed this morning – DON’T HOLD YOUR BREATH

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      jgm2 says:

      Alastair will get to his feet, visibly shaking at the magnitude of the lies and disinformation he is about to tell the House. He’ll have to clamp both hands on the lecturn while he’s reading just to stop the cameras transmitting the fact that he is shaking like a leaf.

      The telling point will come when he has to remove one trembling hand from the table to turn the pages. Just you watch – he’ll be shaking like a shitting spaniel.

      He may even pass out.

      I’m serious. I don’t think he’s quite the natural, delusional liar Brown is.

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        Mr Gonzo Said says:

        ”I’m not his yes man, but I do have to say occasionally, do we have to do this”

        ”Look I told that man that we will have to cut sooner or later, but he refuses to listen”

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  92. 505
    Anonymous says:

    When Darling said that the IT system cost 12billion quid so far and shows no sign of being viable yet, and was never really needed anyway, it just goes to show how completely fucking useless labour are at spending our money.

    If a system isn’t really needed, then who the fuck would say “yeah, it’s only 12 billion, let’s just burn the money on something we don’t even need” ?

    It wasn’t so much the “it doesn’t even work” aspect that annoyed me, it was more the “we never actually needed it” that pisses me off more than anything.

    What the fucking hell else are they spending billions on for stuff which we don’t even need? (apart from the ID card system that is)

    Complete and utter fucking bastards; they should be shot for such mind-blowing negligence. It’s like they’re deliberately trying to burn all our money.

    wankers.

    I am not happy.

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    • 516
      HungParliamentGate says:

      You also have to ask yourself why after 13 years of this shit does the PM suddenly announce that loads of dosh can be saved through efficiency cuts in the Public Services !!!
      So it seems that they have run the Public services for all these years aware that it was inefficient and that millions were being wasted .

      I am not happy either.

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  93. 519
    nearly says:

    OT
    so just what is the penalty for a minister lying to Parliament?

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  94. 529
    realist says:

    Try googling the Homes and Communities Agency. Only 18 people (all Labour enthusiasts no doubt) on over £100k a year. Salary bill rising from £45million in 2008 to £49 million in 2009. This is stealing on a grand scale courtesy of the most corrupt government in British history.

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  95. 543
    Quango Fat Cat says:

    A friend recently sent a Freedom of Information request to Proskills, a quango that is one of 20+ Sector Skills Councils.

    It is near as damn it 100% taxpayer funded, although set up as a not-for-profit company with a group of self-selecting directors led by Stephen Falder (who should have stepped down last year under the articles of association, but didn’t). At the beginning of this year, Proskills had cash balances of over £600,000.

    The enquirer wanted to know how much cash the directors had helped themselves to in the last three years and how much had been spent on printing and to whom it had been paid (one of the director’s son owns a printing business that has been doing work for them – quelle surprise).

    Proskills replied with a short f*ck off letter that simply said “We are not covered by the Freedom of Information Act”.

    Open Government Gordon? Value for money? Joke.

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Mycroft says:

Have you read the last bit of Animal Farm?

You know where the animals are looking through the Farmhouse window?

My TV screen was that window at lunch-time today.

Be careful, the sudden self-congratulatory tone, the slightly pudgy outline of indulgence and you become exactly what you should despise.

The jolly face of the Quisling Cameron poses for your camera has mesmerised and deceived you, you who were once not so deceived.

You were no firebrand, you were a damp squib in my opinion, sorry.

You need a damned good kick up the ahse!


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