December 6th, 2009

Public School Match

Marr was ridiculous in a very British right on way this morning.   Andrew Marr (old boy of Loretto, the very posh Scottish boarding school) asked Alastair Darling (another old boy of the £24,000-a-year school) whether it really matters that David Cameron went to a very posh English boarding school?

Marr asked Alastair Darling about the problems faced by the Tory Toffs, Dave and Zac, who according to the Prime Mentalist, devised their tax policies “on the playing fields of Eton”. “Tsk, tsk” the two old Lorettians tutted modestly about their young Etonian public school rivals. Guido wonders if these two posh members of the London based Scottish Raj acquired their shared policy outlook on the playing fields of Lorretto?


557 Comments

  1. 1
    Andy says:

    Pair of idiots. Marr always was a not so closeted Labour clone.

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      The rise of the right wing Toffs.
      The fall of Weimar labour

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        Waste of time says:

        Well that’s 1 minute 17 seconds of my life I wasted!

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          cutting edge tripe from guido! says:

          Wow! cutting edge tripe and trivia Guido, how do the sheeple get through the day without their daily fix of Guido left/right codswallop.

          finger on the button eh!

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          • Who's a touchy boy then? says:

            ooooh, get her.

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          • Lord Trombone says:

            world cup should be a shoe in

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          • Irony where is thy sting ? says:

            Zac Ducks Tax and Claims CAP Subsidies

            Tax ducking, bed hopping Zac Goldsmith is in hot water. Guido promotes and pursues the minimisation of taxes, but it is a bit risky for a PPC seeking public office. Zac says he hasn’t profited from non-domicile, that he volunteers more tax than he needs to and he gives oodles of cash to charidee. Nevertheless the reason Goldsmith shouldn’t be allowed to get away with this is his rank and blatant hypocrisy.

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          • THE GREAT BRITISH POLITICAL DEBATE.

            Cameron: I’m the heir to Blair.
            Brown: No,I’m the heir to Blair.
            Cameron: No,I’m the heir to Blair.
            Brown: No,I’m the heir to Blair.
            Cameron: No,I’m the heir to Blair…

            Brown: I’ll save the planet.
            Cameron: You’re a denier.
            Brown: No you’re a denier.
            Cameron: No you’re a denier.
            Brown: No you’re a denier.
            Cameron: No you’re a denier…

            Brown: I signed the Lisbon treaty.
            Cameron: You’re a fascist.
            Brown: No you’re a fascist.
            Cameron: No you’re a fascist.
            Brown: No you’re a fascist.
            Cameron: No you’re a fascist…

            Cameron: We have too many immigrants.
            Brown: You’re a racist.
            Cameron: No you’re a racist.
            Brown: No you’re a racist.
            Cameron: No you’re a racist…

            Cameron: I want to help the poor.
            Brown: You’re a toff.
            Cameron: OK.

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          Mandelspin says:

          You must admit there is an uncanny similarity between Lord Foy and a totally hedonistic, depraved, immoral,sinful,shameless lecherous ringmaster keeping the drag acts going?

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        What’s all the fuss about and do we really care that David Cameron had a nanny to wipe his bottom? There are as many left-wing toffs as there are those from the right. Has any politician left parliament poorer than when they entered it? The class war may be a diversion, but it is in danger of highlghting all that was wrong with Old Labour. You know, the same party that could never get itself elected until the privileged Tony Blair came along.

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      Mohammed Osbourne says:

      Rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic old boys, come see the light like i have.

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      Politics of envy says:

      Classy

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      Anonymous says:

      Tat; much as I agree with your sentiments I have to say they are a waste of time. As you say the current mob all got free education at Uni and I remember the days of Jack(boot) Straw as President of the NUS. This is a man who would fix an election if he already had 100% of the votes.

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      • 284

        Wow, The Teachers worked for free? Or did Taxpayers fund their private gain?

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          Gordon's Magic Wand says:

          There used to be a thing called Uni. Grants. In my day it was about £3600 as a minimum grant. This was net of tax. Some students blew it all in the first term. Others had heaps left at the year end. The majority found it covered the whole deal from year to year. In a nutshell the Government aka Taxpayers funded the whole experience. It was a very long time ago though.

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          Gordon's Magic Wand says:

          Aha, now I understand a lot better. Perhaps the Grant status of productive courses and qualifications such as Engineering, Medicine, Maths, Physics, Chemistry should be brought back into play. These are scarce resources and as long as the candidates agree to stay in the UK for 10 years then it should be a wise investment.

          Courses such as Fine Art, Media studies, etc should remain as being able to be borrowed against. The Numpty courses that have recently cropped up such as a degree in David Beckham, Oasis, and Diversity co-ordination should be paid for out of candidates own resources.

          O/T Please Mr Fawkes can you bar the IP address of one thick as thieves. Tedious, offensive, and plain distracting. Thank you in advance of your consideration in this matter.

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      The Grim Reaper says:

      No…Marr is not a closet Labour supporter but an OPEN supporter. The creature wanted to be a Labour candidate and was actively on the left at his elitist university.

      Watch the BBC promote the government at every turn in the coming Election. This disgraceful public sector business is totally one-sided and obsessively anti conservative, pro-Palestinian, part of the climatefear faith and devoted to Sharia politics.

      Typically the interview their Labour chums and interrogate the Conservatives.

      They take our money and despise all but their fellow wealthy Marxist plutocrats. They have played a sinister role in poisoning modern politics.

      Time to dismantle the BBC’s Evil Empire.

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        Marty says:

        I haven’t seen this reported on the Beeb.

        http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6945976.ece

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          alistewart says:

          why are you surprised?

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          • Marty says:

            Not really, it’s not their sort of thing is it?

            Why on earth does the gurning chump even for one moment think he would be welcome at Selly Oak. Can you imagine coming through a war and then have that inadequate lump sitting on the end of your bed. Doesn’t bear thinking about.

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          Gordon's Magic Wand says:

          The BBC do not have a remit to Inform. Only to educate.

          If DC had any Cajones he would either threaten them with a sell off to ensure more balance, or just simply do it! It is about time it was broken up and disposed of.

          Proceeds would be about £10Bn?

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          English Liberation Front says:

          “Brown paid tribute to injured soldiers during a speech in London. He said: “There is nothing more heartbreaking than, as I did this week, meeting a teenager who has lost a leg.””

          A more humane man with less egocentricity, less interest in his own image, might have just said:-

          “There is nothing more heartbreaking than meeting a teenager who has lost a leg.”

          Perhaps more heartbreaking is a government which sends young soldiers to fight in foreign wars it is not willing to fund properly.

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        Jock Mac Scrotum says:

        I totally agree with you Mr. Reaper and it is fully worse at BBC Scotland.They even have an ex labour councilor doing biased political reporting!

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    • 53
      Lilly Allen says:

      Probably Guido but you can’t defend Cameron et al and criticise these two at the same time.Some politicians are posh but some are even posher and some went to Eton.A strange hierarchy is at work in the country.

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        Just highlighting the amusing ridiculous nature of it.

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          13eastie (148 Days: Good-bye, Gordon!) says:

          Lilly is a Silly Billy.

          She doesn’t seem appreciate the utter absurdity, hypocrisy and spite it takes to attempt to make a case for taking someone to task for their parents’ actions.

          She also appears unable to recognise the paradoxical logic in a hate-filled strategy seeking to amplify and capitalise on the very social division Labour says it is working to eradicate.

          SHAMELESS HYPOCRISY: IT’S IN OUR DNA

          ZanuLab’s Playing Fields of Nightmares:

          (Just a small sample of the failures leading to national and individual shame and embarrassment, “dreamt up” by Labour on the lush playing fields of some of our top public schools).

          FETTES COLLEGE (Blair)
          1. Illegal Invasion of Iraq
          2. Vote Blair, Get Brown
          3. Complete sell-out to the EU
          4. Alastair Campbell
          5. David Kelly

          NOTTINGHAM GRAMMAR SCHOOL (Balls, Hoon)
          1. Illegal Invasion of Iraq
          2. Extraordinary Rendition
          3. Troughing of the Highest Order

          LORETTO SCHOOL (Darling)
          1. The longest and deepest recession on record
          2. The worst public finances ever
          3. 50% Income Tax

          ST PAUL’S SCHOOL FOR GIRLS (Harman)
          1. David Abrams’ Dodgy Donations
          2. Attempting to exempt MP’s expenses from the FOIA
          3. Undermining public trust in official statistics by doctoring them for parliament
          4. “You know where to find me”

          ST MARGARET’S SCHOOL, ABERDEEN (Jowell)
          1. Pockets lined with proceeds of bribery

          EMMANUEL SCHOOL (Hain)
          1. Widespread donations irregularities
          2. Disastrous attempt to sell out Gibraltar

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        Mongrel says:

        Course you can you dim bint – the crime is hypocrisy, not poshness. You must be the real Lily Allen if you are as dim as this.
        Now get your head around some real redistributive politics

        http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/industrials/article6945991.ece

        What more evidence do we need that cap-and-trade should be abolished on the spot – it is Enron’s legacy and like everything else about Enron is absolutely corrupt.

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      • 67
        The Truth Hurts says:

        Not if you are Lily Allen, there ain’t.

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        concrete pump says:

        Smoke a joint and shut the fuck up.

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        Fucking delicious! says:

        Ignore the tory fuckwits girl. I think you’re gorgeous, but anyway, you talk sense.

        That should get the window-licking right-wing nutters foaming at the mouth…

        Fucking delicious!

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        thespecialone says:

        I am a council house boy who went to grammar school. My parents had zilch money and real dad was a waster alcoholic. However, I was reasonably intelligent and got on.

        What is my point? Well after 1 yr the grammar school in my home town died due to lefty policies and I went to a dire lefty comprehensive. In adult life I joined the navy and spent a fantastic 28 yrs serving.

        Still what is my point? Well how about the fucking hypocrisy of the Labour twats? I dont care that Cameron went to Eton. I dont really care that Darling went to Loretto. What I do care about is that Labour twats bleating on about the cabinet trying to do the ‘Tory Toff’ thing…when most of them went to fee paying schools. What utter utter tossers. Nobody in the real world cares whether Cameron went to Eton. What people know is that Balls, Darling, Brown et al are fucking hypocrites.

        Yours sincerely,

        Thespecialone
        Denier Road
        Flat Earth
        The country formally known as the United Kingdom of Great Britain & N. Ireland but sold to the undemocratic marxist EU.

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        Sting's Beard says:

        In the country of the dumbed down , Jordan obsessed x factor cult Any man who can pronounce his name properly is considered a Toff ( Except BONO )

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      has Darling got a brother and is he considering reverting to Islam

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      • 156
        Cyco Billy says:

        In English you put a ? at the end if you mean to ask a question, otherwise the subject comes before the verb if you mean to make a statement.

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          The Truth Hurts says:

          Blimey….London Muslim has made a comment without blaming the “Zionists”.

          He must be having a day off from peddling hatred.

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    • 143
      Ed Eton Balls says:

      Approx 25% of children educated at schools in Edinburgh are at fee paying schools.
      Loretto is most expensive in Edinburgh

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        Glaswegian says:

        And of course Mr socialism Anthony Blair was a pupil at Fettes, another fee-paying school in Edinburgh.
        They represent a group of people who can afford to be socialists. the rest of us had to work.

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          Gordon's Magic Wand says:

          The very small ‘in crowd’ clique who actually profit from socialism.

          Just how exactly do you get to be multi-property owning, mansion inhabiting, independently rich from being a serving Minister? Bungs all round? It’s the Westminster shuffle.

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      So You Wannabe an MP? says:

      So the conclusion our of all of this is.

      If you wannabe an MP or you wanna your sprog to be an MP then:

      1) Best of all a TOP private school.
      2) Second best a Grammar school.
      3) Third best a scholarship to the above.
      4) Move to the best state school catchment areas
      5) Tell lies about where you live for 2 and 4
      6) Be a female preferrably a female with Lesbian femminist or Muslim tendancies.
      7) Go to a crap state school (the majority)
      8) Be an Orphan
      9) Attend a second rate private school
      10) Be an immigrant, a dire position but it has connections to the top of the list

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    • 246
      Even the odd bods says:

      Nick Griffin independent Saint Felix School

      Alex Salmond Linlithgow Academy

      Nick Clegg Westminster School

      George Galloway Harris Academy

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        thespecialone says:

        Thespecialone – Bog standard comprehensive (after my grammar school was killed off by Anthony Crossland)

        Thespecialone
        Denier Rd
        Flat Earth
        Had a liquid afternoon but even when sober pissed off with Labour

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        Airey Belvoir says:

        Nick Griffin is an Old Boy of Woodbridge School (They strangely do not list him among their famous products.) St Felix is a girls’ school.

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        Hysteria says:

        don’t be confused by the word “academy” – in Scotland this is just a bog standard comprehensive school

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    • 262

      I can’t subscribe to the Guidogram, because somebody has already pinched me.#

      Lefty stalinist GramscoFabiaNazi scumbags.

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      Airey Belvoir says:

      Is Andy’s super-injunction still in force? If so I had better not mention his ‘lurvechild’ daughter with Alice Miles, from whom his wife has barred him from any contact, to the daughter’s distress. We must have due respect for the Law, after all.

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      Anonymouse says:

      Isn’t the real scandal that the English are being governed by a Scottish Raj? The number of Scottish MP’s in the Government is vastly in excess of a proportional representation notwithstanding that Scottish MP’s need culling to bring them down to a fair representation of the total population, then prevented from voting on English matters.

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  2. 2
    Q & A says:

    Andrew Marr and A Darling is the answer

    The question is;

    Where is my baseball bat with nails in it and who is first?

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      What is ‘out by a factor of 200%’
      The treasury growth forecast figures?

      What is ‘going to achieve £40 billion of extra revenue?’
      Is the answer ‘fictitious government efficiency savings?’

      Correct.

      At the end of that round of half hearted cuts lets see who is the gimp in the mask. The maggot in the apple. The bread bin with a faulty hinge and no handle and no bread. Who is the weakest Prime Minister?

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      • 18
        Unsworth says:

        It ain’t revenue, is it? It’s merely spending slightly less.

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        General Election NOW! says:

        What is so astonishing is that the public accept these aresholes and everything they say.

        There was an age when these scumm would have been attacked on the streets or confornted in face to face meetings.

        The soldiers on the wards at Selly Oak Hospital pulled the curtains around their beds so the ultimate excrement Brown could not meet them.

        But we need someone to confront Brown in public – a la the booing at Arromanches – so it can be shown to the 60 million Brits.

        Mind you,I am STILL convinced that Brown will be totally demolished at the Gen Election – so beaten it will be talked about in history books for decades.

        BROWN AND OUT – if only we could get him charged with treason.

        As for the BBC – there is NO doubt they are being threatened and bribed by Mandelson and his scum thugs.

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        • 34
          George Orwell predicted everything says:

          ”there is NO doubt they are being threatened and bribed by Mandelson and his scum thugs.”

          Don’t make excuses for them, they are already dusting down the third reichs classic ‘we where only following orders’ just in case.

          They have been willingly complicit in it from day one, remember the bottles of champagne lining the halls on 1997 election night.

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        • 39
          Boo! says:

          Brown does not want to get booed at the Womens Institute like his predecessor did. He’s a chicken for criticism.

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          Rip Van Winkle says:

          As for the BBC – there is NO doubt they are being threatened and bribed by Mandelson and his scum thugs

          Nonsense. The BBC is very happy to be a part, if not the majority shareholder in the ZaNu Labour Spin Corporation. The DNA runs through every structure of the organisation, from the lowest cleaner to the BBC Trust.

          Only complete annhilation by an incoming Tory Government would make the slightest difference.

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          • The Truth Hurts says:

            Top comment

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          • righty right wing (mrs) says:

            Come on sensibly, do you really anticipate the Conservatives doing anything abou the BBC?

            Too cosy – the media elite & the political elite – no matter what colour the rosette.

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          • Beezley says:

            Alas, Mrs, you do not speak with forked tongue.

            The Lizards are out to get us and no mistake. Before this CRU scandal broke I was a teensy bit sceptical about some of the tinfoil-hat theories going round (NWO, all that stuff), but now I am beginning to realise the extent of the LIES we have been fed for at least a generation, principally, in this benighted rathole of a country, by the BB bloody C.

            The best thing to do is starve them of funds, i.e. don’t pay the licence fee. Google “implied right of access” and follow the lynx.

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          • Beezley,

            http://networkedblogs.com/p20070302

            Lamy: EU is the laboratory for global governance
            Pascal Lamy, Director-General of the WTO refers to the EU as the “laboratory of international governance”. He believes that there is a need for global governance, as he imparted in his speech to the Bocconi University in Milan on 9 November 2009.

            The speech is very dry, the delivery dull – but it’s worth persevering because it is startlingly frank about the coming World Government and the destruction of the sovereignty of nation states around the world.

            This is the New World Order which many conservative-minded people simply refuse to believe is being constructed.

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          • Beezley says:

            Anti, thanks for the link. Have bookmarked it and will view tomorrow when I have more time.

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          • The EUSSR is the only Lab more dodgy than the UEA.

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    Injunction says:

    Are we allowed to talk about Marr’s “Tiger” days?

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    I’d like to spend 20 minutes on the playing fields of Borstal with both off Marr and Darling.

    Marr is an embarrassment. Why do the BBC continue to put up with him? …….

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    Johnny Norfolk says:

    Labour just make you sick don’t they. How they have any support after what they have done is a mystery to me.

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      Anonymous says:

      But most things are a mystery to the denizens of Norfolk, including marriages not involving relatives, how to wear gloves and, of course, the great Norfolk food shortage (the answer to the latter is Charles Clarke).

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        Anonymous says:

        So rather than actually putting forward a coherent argument, you simple resort to childish abuse – what a moron.

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    • 63
      The Truth Hurts says:

      Remember about 20% of the UKSSR population is officially mentally ill. That equates to the ZanuLab vote.

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      Off to anywhere but here if I could. says:

      But the Tories eat babies and will kill pensioners.

      Thus spake the Liebour propaganda machine aka the BBC

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    Tapestry says:

    The only people who hate Etonians are people who went to lesser public schools like Marr. Their chip is so high on their shoulders, they walk through life lop-sided (to the left in Marr’s case).

    Such idiots prefer their country to be destroyed, so they can demolish all the people they hate. In the 1970s they worked for the KGB. Now they suck up to Brussels. Somehow they have to destroy their enemies – who are Etonians. While there are Etonians living and breathing, they are driven to hand over everything to French peasants.

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    • 73
      Anonymous says:

      I hate to pick on the retarded but, of course, one of the most treacherous spies of them all – Guy Burgess – was an Old Etonian.

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        Anonymous says:

        Correction
        The most treacherous spies brought to justice. You will bet a lot more hase been covered up – you know, school tie and all.

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  7. 8
    Tel Mech says:

    TWATS
    Come the revolution 657th against the wall

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  8. 9
    concrete pump says:

    A pair of classist c*nts gently wanking each other off on the beeb………against the fucking wall with them.

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  9. 10
    Jug Ears says:

    Bugger me.

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    barefootcontessa says:

    Probably. Darling must have learned his gambling skills there, Loretto backs on to a race course.

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    genghiz the kahn says:

    Funny how Jon Sopel and others have been banging on about the absence of details of Call Me Dave’s schooling, when there a similar omission on this webpage.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/politics_show/meet_the_team/default.stm

    Double standards?

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    General Election NOW! says:

    Marr really is shit – a waste of time – those newspaper reviews on his show are farcical because he never listens to the guests and then finishes their comments with pathetic remarks that show he is so out of his depth.

    Wait a minute – Brown,Darling,Marr et etc – all out of their depth.

    Come on British people,we need to evict these pieces of excrement NOW.

    March and kick these scum out now.

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    streamfisher says:

    BBC highlighting the Toff issue at every opportunity, Radio 4, Newsnight, Marr show etc. Any more proof needed that Al-Beeboid takes the script from its New Labour paymasters?… Meanwhile the Country goes to hell on a handcart.

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      Global warming is SO simple, even black people can understand it

      classic Beeb

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8394168.stm

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        Unsworth says:

        I’d like to see evidence of that (understanding, I mean).

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      • 38
        streamfisher says:

        The IPCC should have come clean when they said this is the effect man made greenhouse gases are having on the Planet, they missed out the BuT In A BoTTLE (computer model) bit, Innit!

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          Gordon's Magic Wand says:

          So are you in fact saying that a bottle ‘model’, isn’t exactly the same as the open atmosphere of Planet Earth. Discuss. At the risk of boring myself, do the IPCC, NASA, or CRU types have the Sun included in the modelling as part of the predictions for warming? Just asking.

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      • 70
        Cut CO2 the easy way says:

        CO2 explained in a nutshell, the non pc-New Labour disapproved method.

        Importing more illegal immigrants to the UK to get New Labour votes increases CO2 emissions by their need for more housing, transport, hospitals, schools etc. etc.

        Keep the illegals in their home countries, keeps the UK’s CO2 emissions down.

        That’s “racist” will cry the environmentalists.

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      • 75
        Mongrel says:

        They really do think it is that simple. So the only reason they can come up with for Jones’s appalling unscientific behaviour is that the baddy deniers were hassling him and he was under pressure. Amazing contortion given that the obvious answer is that he knows his data do not support his conclusions so has always been terrified to let them see the light of day.

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      • 110
        NS says:

        Classic fraud too, the heat comes from the vinegar / baking soda reaction.

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      • 114
        Message in a bottle and a 40 watt low frequency lightbulb says:

        Laboratory measurements show that carbon dioxide absorbs to extinction at its main peak in 10 meters under atmospheric conditions.* This means there is no radiation left at the peak frequencies after 10 meters. If then there is a doubling of CO2 in the atmosphere, the distance of absorption reduces to half, or 5m. A reduction in distance is not an increase in temperature. Convectional currents stir the heat around removing any relevance for distance.

        Scientists who promote the global warming hype try to work around this fact by claiming something different happens higher in the atmosphere, which they claim involves unsaturation on the shoulders of the absorption peaks. (See Disputed Zone.) The difference due to height is that the absorption peaks get smaller and sharper, so they separate from each other. Near the earth’s surface, the absorption peaks for water vapor partially overlap the absorption peaks for CO2, while there is less water vapor high in the atmosphere. Supposedly, separating the peaks creates global warming. There is no credibility to that claim. It is nothing but an attempt to salvage global warming propaganda through fake rationalizing of complexities.

        What it means is that climatologists admit there is no mechanism at lower levels of the atmosphere, and their rationalization for higher up is phony.
        It’s important to realize that radiation from the sun does not greatly heat the atmosphere, because the sun must give off high frequency radiation in the area of visible light, which goes through the atmosphere. Something as hot as the sun cannot give off low frequency radiation. Temperature determines frequency. This means that most of the sun’s radiation heats the surface of the earth, and then the heat moves from the earth’s surface into the atmosphere through conduction, convection, evaporation and infrared radiation. The infrared radiation can be absorbed by so-called greenhouse gasses.

        Heat leaves the planet through long wave infrared radiation.

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          caesars wife says:

          Good effort , fairly sound the heating theory is always based on retention of radiated heat from the surface , no argument there .

          three points :
          1 ) the oceans are like a large conveyor that are huge moderators and movers of heat , wether high frequency or radiated , the question is if they are absorbinng the heat thereby becoming both store and store of heat .

          2) the ice is white and reflects high frequency , loss of ice will give rise to more radiated heat

          3) Burning fossil fuels is an exothermic reaction ie it gives out heat , radiated heat !! if you add up all the heat being produced , (whilst small in comparison to solar energy per sqr m ) is this effect significant . We know that in the UK we burn at least 1 million litres of petrol per day of which 30% of the enrgy value available is converted into heat , so what significance is this other form of heat (we are also burning gas and deisel and bio mass/fuels). over time and if now all over the world , what does this massive burning of previous ecological cycles as well as current ones do ??? put it this way if a lake of 1bn barrels of oil had been burning contionusly since 1940 every day and night would it not cause a heating effect ???

          Just for the record I do believe the goverment has been distorting the science for political ends , and more infuriatingly has done bugger all about pollution .

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          • Couldn’t we just paint every rooftop in the world in white so equalling the loss of the ice caps?
            Just a thought.

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          • I B Seldom-Lucid says:

            CW – a wether is a castrated sheep or goat. Buck up FFS.

            Good effort on exothermic reaction but muddled thermodynamics. Why is it only radiated heat? What are the major forms of heat (a flux BTW) transfer? It matters not a fig how heat is transferred or where it comes from. What does matter is efficiency of reaction and the by products – which is why engineers have worked for decades to reduce the emissions of NoX from gas turbine engines in aircraft – arguably one of the most efficient forms of hydro-carbon energy conversion we (humankind) have devised.

            Petrol (from stone – oil) is no more or less valid a hydrocarbon form than gas or diesel – get a grip, it all comes from the same source – dead stuff! Furthermore, they all produce the same form of heat.

            If 1 bn barrels of oil had been burning since day 1 every day and every night, I guess that it might have produced a temperature change almost as significant as a minor solar flare.

            What you and so many seem unable to comprehend is how trivial we are in the physics of the way this world works. Even the most powerful nuclear weapons cannot produce the destructive power of the nature of this planet.

            If there is to be truth, if there is to be reason, if we are to work to make the world better for our children and their children, we need to be honest.

            I abhor the dishonest arguments about the climate but I abhor it because it misses the point. It is all very well to say that the earth’s average temperature has not changed significantly (i.e. less than a few percent) over a billion years. It is much more pertinent to engage the notion that there is a small range of temperature of the earth’s atmosphere that can support human life.

            Good intentions and kind hearted opinions are a good start. Get a bit more effect by deploying sound science.

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          • The planet just ain't playing ball at the moment says:

            One of the CRU emails is from Kevin Trenberth, head of the Climate Analysis Section at the U.S. National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR) in Colorado and a leading member of the IPCC science team. Last month, in a letter to Michael Mann, the inventor of the “hockey stick” graph, he asked: “Where the heck is global warming?” It’s freezing in Colorado, he said, and “the fact is that we can’t account for the lack of warming at the moment and it is a travesty that we can’t.”

            It could be more than a travesty if, over the next few years, global warming doesn’t make a major appearance in the world’s climate. If world temperatures — which are now no hotter than they were in 1998 — stay low for the next five to 10 years, it suggests a major gap in climate models that support global warming theory. The BBC’s science-based climate blogger recently summarized the looming dilemma. Under long-range climate model simulations of man-made global warming, it is supposedly impossible for there to be no warming over a 15-year period. Since 10 years have passed, the next five are crucial. If temperatures rise to above 1998 levels, the BBC’s Paul Hudson writes, “then climate skeptics will have nowhere to hide.” But if in the next few years temperatures “do not exceed 1998 temperature levels, then this could cause big questions to be asked.”

            Such big questions are already being asked at the highest scientific levels. The official UN science community is currently totally at a loss to understand, let alone explain, much of anything beyond their 100-year prediction of rising temperatures brought on by increases in carbon emissions. They have the big picture, but they have none of the little pictures of what will happen in five years or 10 years or even three or four decades. Mojib Latif, of the Leibniz Institute of Marine Sciences, Kiel University, outlined the gaps in decadal prediction at a conference in September.

            Two or three decades of “cooling” may well happen, said Prof. Latif, referring to a chart that shows temperatures below current levels as late as 2030. He also showed that hurricanes have not increased in frequency, there is no evidence so far of rising sea levels, key rainfall measures show no trend linked to global warming, and climate models can be off by as much as 10 degrees locally.

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          • Surface Area of U.K. 242,900KM^2
            Solar Energy 164 Watts per square meter per day (Earth av)

            1Km^2 = 1,000,000 m^2

            So The U.K. area gets 39,835,600,000,000 Watts per day from the sun.

            Petrol = 9.6KW per litre. or 9,600W/Litre.

            So The U.K. Uses 9,600,000,000 W via Petrol.
            9,600/39,835,600 = 0.02%

            i.e. 0.02% of any possibly heating in the U.K. comes from Petrol.

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          • caesars wife says:

            Thanks I B seldom lucid and planet not playing ball , note any meaningfull figs from you ??? if your going to criticise at least give somthing workable being as so many of us dont understand how miniscule we all are in the physics of the planet .

            where to start :it is perfectly acceptable to assume that natural signals have greater effect on the earths sytems , that bit I conceed . Most of the climate change belief is that “we could be doing somthing in a slow imperceptable change that will affect our enviroment which the majority believe is a heating effect caused by the trapping of radiant heat ”

            CW is perfectly fine with the concept that , gases/water vapour can retain heat more than a vaccuum , basic physcis mars has little atmosphere and doesnt retain heat , venus has thick acid vapour clouds which clearly do retain heat . So here we have two massive planets with atmospheres that tell us somthing about the extremes of what is possible on the large scale . So then we come to what are the moderators that have enabled earth to run relatively stable patterns that are neither too hot or too cold for life to exist.

            It clearly isnt man weve only been here for a blip , so it must be the mix of oceans .land and atmosphere and how they interrelate . assuming the sun shines , cant do much about oceans or land they are just there , but the atmosphere that does and can change . Photosynthetic and respiration based organisms are totally reliant on the gaseous composition being right, having water , and also the temperature (certain bio chemical reactions can only occure at certain temperatures ) .

            No water , no life , wrong gasesous composition , no photosynthesis , no gaseous oxygen , no respiring life.

            we can then look at what areas contain the biggest abundance and variety of life , and hey presto , its the places where they get the most sunlight and water . The biggest areas of natural land production of oxygen (and absorbtion of land CO2) are the equitorial and tropical rain forests , desserts and snow capped peaks do not play a great role in the gaseous composition although volcanoes and oceans do .

            So it is then apparent , that all life is interrealted , it can be degraded or upgraded by the conditions it is presented with .

            What is clear is that the wrong question is now being asked as its not so much what we can burn as what we need to protect to ensure that the earth can support human life (bearing in mind we owe our existence to other forms of life). how much should we farm , how much should be nature , do we clean up our manufacturing , do we stop poisening important natural resources i.e there are limits .

            toxicty is more important as it is much faster acting , it is the remarkable robustness of DNA that has allowed life to endure , toxicity is what breaks the reproduction cycle , theories can last for ever if passed on , they are of/in the mind , only a big clean up will ensure the ability to pass on and reproduce is preserved .

            In that respect CW accepts that copenhagen is pretty pointless as all the world leaders are now answering the dumber enviromental question for politics and not the more important Eco one , as this is just barganing for lobbyists ! CW has to admit the deniers have a case , melcathon asks how come scientists never disprove political decisons , clearly he revealed the most political of answers in his question !

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          • Glaswegian says:

            Thank you CW for an excellent contribution.
            I have always been puzzled as to why all the focus seemed to be about possible recent fluctuations in global temperature, rather than establishing whether reducing CO2 emissions would influence global climate.The geological record proves that temperature fluctuates frequently.
            If the globe is warming for a different reason than human CO2 emissions,our effort should be directed in protecting those populations at risk rather than depressing economic activity.
            Strategically, Copenhagen is aiming to transfer economic power from West to East without a shot having been fired.
            Western politicians are basically proposing to reduce our living standards so that the East can equal our standard of living faster than would otherwise occur.
            Our children will not thank us for allowing our politicians to reduce their ability to compete in years to come.

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    • 30
      BillyBob poops on ZaNuLab says:

      Now all we need Richard Bacon, is that psuedo intellectual, doing his 5Live radio phone in on the topic, the t*sser will be highly aroused especially after he attended the 10 Downing Street Party on Friday night !!

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    • 456
      Anonymous says:

      Off topic slightly but did I not see an article somewhere that a group of respected Doctors wnated the David Kelly case examined reopened? Not heard anything about this on any BBC show or site!! Strange that!!!

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      • 471

        The BBC is there to prevent news, not highlight news.

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      • 532
        Gordon's Magic Wand says:

        Why do you expect the BBC to be there for your entertainment or requirement for even handed reporting. The Ministry of Truth are there to help educate you. Dr David Kelly was conveniently removed from the equation. Lord Hutton then covered up the facts and left the whole matter unanswered. It is the right to Unthink that will concern them.

        You are not allowed to Unthink.

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        • 551
          Sting's Beard says:

          The BBC is to dissident opinion as the elf n safety is to commonsense.
          It sees its job as being primarily as that of either suppresing it or at least undernining it!!

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  14. 24
    barefootcontessa says:

    Marr handled Darling with great care on his prog. this am. Not so pally with G osborne who was interviewed in a Little Chef with full view of motorway.

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  15. 26
    George Orwell predicted everything says:

    Like all lefties when the chips are down and the surface is scratched, behind the airy fairy honey rhetoric they are the lowest of the low hypocritical vermin sub species.

    Tolerance, but only for their views…..

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    • 48
      Anonymous says:

      As you say Mr Borewell. What is more interesting is the way in which the Tories have evolved precisely the same characteristics – demonstrating the principle of convergent evolution when opportunity presents itself.

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      • 144
        udderly 'orrible says:

        Anonymous’s style (and s/he pops up all over the place) is, err how to say it, very Alishtare McCampbell-like?
        Got a reverted brother?

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    • 431
      Darion 11 says:

      Aussies don’t like rat killers.
      Or the Flanders pigeon murderer

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  16. 27
    Watt Tyler says:

    Economics devised “on the playing field of Eton”; war crimes imagined over toy soldiers.

    “We’re at peace with our lust and we can kill ‘cos in the dollar we trust.” See the Christmas message from the internationalist BUTCHERS: http://eotp.wordpress.com

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  17. 28
    Rumpole says:

    I thought Lorretto was an old Huntry and western singer.

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  18. 29
    One day in the future says:

    Did you see when Darling was asking by the useless Marr what he WILL do about the bank bonuses?

    Watch it – fascinating – he stuttered for a good 20 seconds and it is very obvious he will do nothing.

    The thing is,Darling and these other c*unts,when they are thrown out next year,will get no police protection and so one day we are bound to bump in to them.

    And then who is to say what might occur?

    Looking forward to it – the only revenge we the people of Britain will ever be able to get over on these thieving treacherous vermin.

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    • 42
      Anonymous says:

      Now now Dick Sniffin, branching out from granny bashing are we. Back to the ward for you.

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    • 43
      Sssshhhh says:

      They are all buying up property in the US to make a break to afterwards, Murdoch has got his hounds investigating it currently.

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      • 152
        Nick says:

        I don’t think that they’ll be _safe_ in the US – if they can get tooled up there then so can any number of ‘tourists’ drawn from their ex-electorate.

        I should imagine that after the first traitor is ‘judged’ the remainder will flee to somewhere like Argentina.

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    • 46
      barefootcontessa says:

      You won’t miss him, with those black eyebrows, and that whiter than white hair.

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      • 59
        Beat this says:

        Perhaps we could shoot first and claim we thought he was a skunk?

        Like his fucking economic bollocks he speaks – recovery by Christmas..if I had my way,he would never recover from a beating.

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      • 421
        Bovine TB says:

        It’s sett fair where he will be hiding then!

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  19. 31
    Anonymous says:

    Its complete balls to suggest Dave concocted Tory policies on the playing fields of Eton. Firstly, noone has any idea what his policies are (other than appointing all ex-members of the Bullingdon to the Cabinet – rather like Cyclops appointing only Scots). Secondly, I understand that Dave never ventured onto the playing fields. Apparently the merest mention of rugger sent him behind the bike sheds with a toke (or was it a fag?).

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  20. 33
    Emma Royd says:

    The Scots are the real problem. Brown, Darling, and half the bloody cabinet just to buy a few Labour votes in Scotland which hasn’t worked out too well has it?.

    Then there’s RBS, Halifax Bank of Scotland, Fred the Shed…………..etc. etc. etc.

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  21. 40
    Dave "Cast Iron Guarantee" Cameron says:

    I’ve finally traced my Mum and Dad.

    Now I just need to colour them in.

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  22. 41
    barefootcontessa says:

    OT, but Baroness Scotchland wanted to be a nun (she said so on D I Discs), Since giving up that idea wants to help the poor and under-privileged. Has adopted names such as:- African Queen, (her son calls her that), and brown eyed girl, (her husband and father called her that). So there you are – she thinks the world of herself, … with a little help from the lord god.

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    • 55
      Sssshhhh says:

      Help the poor and deprived (i.e. she thinks cause shes black, helping herself counts) and also help herself to privilege.

      Not much chance of that, only doing honest work as a mere and poor nun with no airs, graces and delusions about yourself.

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      • 180
        Mongrel says:

        If she’s so fucking nice, why did she hang the cleaner out to dry? A better human being would have insisted on taking the rap for her poor skivvy. And if she’s so competent, what with being in charge of 2000 lawyers, how come the laws they have drafted are such a mess that nobody, including herself, can understand them?
        Well done Kirsty on a first class hagiography. Well done Big Al Campbell for fixing it so those “outside the loop” get to think the monster is so cuddly.

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  23. 44
    lloyd says:

    The topic came up on Question time this week and I recall, what I took to be an OldLab voter, making the point that all the MPs are toffs now. He and the rest of us now know that they take lots of money from us and it seems that they all have at least two homes. They all are millionairs.

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  24. 49
    Dave "Cast Iron Guarantee" Cameron says:

    A pimp goes to his three whores to demand the money they owe him.
    From the first, he demands £100. She protests, saying she only owes him £50.
    *Slap slap slap* “Don’t correct me, bitch!”

    From the second, he demands £200. She says she only owes him £100.
    *Slap slap slap* “Don’t correct me, bitch!”

    From the third, he demands £300, but she argues she only owes him £250.
    *Slap slap slap* “Don’t correct me, bitch!”

    From the fourth, he demands £500 but she says she only owes him £400.
    *Slap slap slap* “Don’t correct me, bitch!”
    —————————————————-
    idiot, from the start you said there were 3 whores but by the end of this “joke” theres 4

    —————————————————-
    *Slap slap slap*
    Don’t correct me, bitch!

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    • 133
      answer your own question? says:

      What’s big, red and eats rocks?

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        • 448
          thick as thieves says:

          nah.

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        • 449
          Gordon's Magic Wand says:

          Being berated by TaT as a newbie poster puts one in mind of the ‘worst day of life’ moments.
          Worst day at work.
          AM-Having to chair a steering committee on the upgrade from BS5750 to ISO 2002. No Lunch, meeting overran. PM- Chairing the pensioneer trustees meeting, and try absorbing all the new regulations under pain of death or incarceration.

          Crash car on way home. Tea spoilt. Then having to do a full and thorough risk assessment on a bouncy castle provided for a Fete at a local special needs school.
          Think about it.

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  25. 51
    13eastie (148 Days: Good-bye, Gordon!) says:

    Britain has some of the finest schools in the world, which is why so many foreigners send their kids to be educated here.

    Our public schools’ reputations have been taking a real battering lately, by being so strongly associated with ZanuLab.

    People must really be wondering what the fuck happens at Lorretto (Darling).

    Nottingham Grammar School has a shit-load to answer for – if Hoon the Hoon wasn’t enough, they also forced Nazi-Balls on us.

    And St Paul’s gave us CarPerson (QC).

    And least none of them are claiming Gordumb as one of theirs…

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  26. 54
    Irene says:

    Brown is on dodgy ground trying to create dividing lines on class , lest someone decides to draw some dividing lines on nationality and ask how it is acceptable for the policies of England to be dreamt up on the playing fields of Scotland, especially when Brown has pledged to make Scottish interests paramount.

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    • 79
      Ed says:

      He’s trying to galvanise Labour’s core, working-class vote in Scotland. He’s already lost half the white working class in England to the b & p.

      It’s not a strategy destined to win the election though is it!

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      • 229
        Colonello Pazzo Valerio says:

        The Playing Fields of Scotland are,allegedly,responsible for Brown’s near blindness and apparent brain damage.

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  27. 65
    The school with a Castle in its name Oldboy says:

    Loretto isn’t posh its were all the rich slags of Scotland go!

    The reason why Darling and Marr hate other public school educated people is they are Loretto boys. Lowest of the PS boys league table Lorreto were held with contempt due to their near legendary inability to play any sport whatsoever except show jumping!

    They never got the girls and they lost every rugby game they ever played, nice to see they dont still hold a grudge!

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  28. 72
    Kelly says:

    Re Marr and darling, BBC and Labour Party hypocrisy knows no bounds.

    Meanwhile fat sleazebag, trougher, black-supremacist, and taxi-addict, Diane Abbott MP let’s forth a stinking fart in Rod Liddle’s direction:

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/rodliddle/5601833/benefits-of-a-multicultural-britain.thtml#comments

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    • 96
      Ted says:

      Rod’s rattled a few cages. It just shows what happens when someone dares to challenge the orthodoxy of multi-culti. The ethno-Marxists and their useful idiots go apeshit.

      It’s probably a good job poor old Rod joined the mass white flight exodus out of London and is now holed up in leafy Wiltshire.

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    • 131
      rocknrolla says:

      Good on Liddle for fighting back when Abbot pops up to, of course, throw around accusations of racism. She is such a hypocrite, and damned stupid too – how did she get into Cambridge?

      The things that always gets me is the arrogance. If the lefties simply said they think there are many benefits to massive uncontrolled immigration and the ethnic cleansing of indigenous britons, I would disagree but accept they hold the view. But it is never that – they cannot ever accept any single criticism of such immigration, and anyone who dares is called a Nazi, even those who oppose for anti-nazi reasons – had there been no immigration there would have been no B &P, controlled immigration would mean more peaceful relations etc, yet it will still be called racism.

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    • 321
      Moley says:

      Note;

      The Liberal deluge on the comments section was mobilised by a twitter campaign.

      The Liberals should concentrate on refuting the statistics rather than attacking the man in a thoroughly illiberal manner.
      Or perhaps they can’t, because the staistics are real?

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  29. 74
    Cassandra King says:

    Firstly Cameron and his retarded little chum Osbourne have no fucking policies, they are stooge puppets and their policies are going to be dictated to them IF they win the elction, they will obey their eurotrash and bankster bosses who will allow them to line the pockets of their friends’N’families FIRST, bonfire of the quangos? dont make me laugh!
    You can vote for one bunch of retarded boot filling traitors OR joy of joys you can vote for a completely different bunch of retarded boot filling traitors, oooh the choices the choices eh?
    Both sets will give the ordinary working person a right royal shafting with eye watering taxes and rule from the new forth reich, both sets will look after themselves FIRST and LAST.
    Both sets are happy to give away billions of pounds of OUR money to such worthy causes as Indian nuclear subs and space programs while we have to have our own NHS care rationed as if we were fucking animals in a farm, is this person worth spending money on or should the NHS death camp guards starve them to death? choices choices eh?
    A vote for either is a vote for the new dark ages the choice is ours and we get what we deserve.

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    • 77
      Ed says:

      So you would rather waste your vote on UKIP and let Gordon Brown, Ed Balls, Peter Mandelson, and Alistair Campbell back in for another five years eh?

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      • 124
        Cassandra King says:

        Dear Ed,

        Why vote for either of them?

        What is the point of having one set out only to have the other set in, I Mean its ridiculous to suggest we have to vote in the airhead sell out just to eject the mental case airhead sellout?

        There seems to be a strange inability to comprehend the coup that the British people have been subjected to, the two parties most likely to win are controlled by the same puppet master, its hardly rocket science to determine that buying off the two major parties means that the establishment wins either way.

        Vote UKIP if you want, vote independent if you want, vote B*P if you wish, vote respect if that floats your boat BUT voting for the labcon fraud means the exact same dark future, each vote is vital Ed, voting for one slightly less repulsive party beacause the others may not get in is what the scumbags are banking on.

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        • 137
          Ed says:

          I’m going to vote Tory because, despite all their faults, they’re still better than Labour and may just start to try to sort out some of the awful mess that Labour have made.

          That’s the only real choice Tory or Labour. If you don’t vote Tory you risk another five disastrous years of Brown.

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          • Mindset says:

            As long as you believe that’s the only choice,that’s the only choice you have.

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          • Nick says:

            Labour’s vote will be reduced by the B*N*P. The Tories share will be reduced by UKIP. Unless UKIP perform appallingly between now & the election then I’ll probably vote for them.

            I don’t care if there’s a hung Parliament (or an unconvincing Labour ‘victory’) because if either of the above happen then the national credit rating plummets, the IMF come in, state spending is cut brutally & there will be another election shortly. It’d be nice to extract an EU referendum pledge from whichever party wants to win next time…

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          • OOOOR WILLIE says:

            It would be the smart move to let labour win the this election as;

            A: The sheer desperation on their faces currently at the prospect, even loony Brown is not that hot on the idea.

            B: IMF comes knocking on their watch YET AGAIN and it will finish them off forever.

            C: It would force another election or civil unrest pronto when Browns burnt earth tactics come back to haunt him and people finally wake up to what a third world shit hole we have become.

            D: The EU will be scuppered if the IMF take over.

            It is painful to say it but thinking in the long-term we have got to get rid of Labour for once and for all. No point letting the Tories come in clean the mess and be booted out for the cycle to start again like last time.

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          • Gordon's Magic Wand says:

            Like big Will’s longer term planning. Those bonds will be unsaleable quite soon anyway.

            Best if Labour try and clean up their own fouled nest. When PSBR is £10 BILLION+ a month there can only be one final solution/outcome.

            Current Tax Revenues are fairly maxed out before there is huge leakage. Via Emmigration and determined avoidance.

            The problem is the Client State, and particularly Pension obligations going forwards. Brown has spent all the surplus, the current account, and indeed all our credit facilities going forwards. We are totally maxed out. And if you think Brown the coward will actually take brave steps to cut spending this side of an election. Then perhaps we could be saved from financial oblivion.

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  30. 76
    JL says:

    The intellectual content of this blog has increased immeasurably since that cretin ‘thick as thieves’ was banned.

    Please keep him out and al the decent posters will return.

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  31. 78
    barefootcontessa says:

    Obviously not allowed to say anything detrimental or truthful about Andrew Marr on this blog. Why are you defending him Guido?

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  32. 81
    Anonymous says:

    As a one time pupil of a few overseas British Forces schools (I’m a Brit brat) and of a couple of Labours failed secondary modern school system all I can say is that Darling plus many Labour politicians and their BBC employee supporters are ex communists, ex Trotskyites and ex Militant Socialist Workers intent in their past of harming the UK. Our very own ‘working class’ Defence Sec Bob Ainsworth did his best in the past to bring about hatred and to undermine our soldiers. Rather a Eton chap than the Labour lot who hate us so many of us, even ‘working class’ Tories like myself. Even our soldiers detest Labour, but then there is nothing new about that.
    Labour are filled with hatred of many people and if this is their new tactic on for the next election then it proves just what a bunch of hate filled arseholes they are and the sooner they are gone the better!

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    • 88
      Al says:

      The leadership of the Labour Party is full of followers of the Frankfurt School (google it), the Fabians, Common Purpose, ex-International Marxist Group, SWP and other Trots, aswell as old Stalinists from the CPGB.

      It’s hardly surprising that they’ve spent the last 12 years destroying British institutions, social structures, and the financial base, and replacing vast numbers of indigenous Brits in our towns and cities through mass immigration.

      The Labour leadership hates Britain and England in particular.

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      • 403
        labour is a cancer on society says:

        Totally agree. The NuLabocracy are composed of three main CLASSES: the inner party core-Leninist types types like Brown and Darling, the thickoes (dross MP voting fodder) and the quangocrats – cronies and appointees of NuLab (both inner party and thockoes connected). They thrive by fostering artificial divisions in society – seeking to destroy it so that they can usher in a New Red Dawn. Just like dogs bark and shit on pavements – Marxists destroy societies. What really sucks is that we seem to be powerless to stop them.

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    • 95
      Anonymous says:

      How dare you pretend you are me and spout such views! I am already barricading the doors against the men in white coats.

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      • 119
        Anonymous says:

        I’m me, not you. Anyway Labour are still a bunch off arseholes! Do we at least agree with ourselves on this?

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    • 310
      c.eng says:

      This is a key point to consider come the GE, that Labour are filled with hate especially for England and the English, whereas the Eton toffs, whatever else one might say about them, are not generally anti English.

      So the more the Great Mongul has a go at the Eton Toffs, the more likely I am to vote for Dave.

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  33. 83
    Baboon 2- The revenge says:

    If the Tories can’t figure out a response to this
    predictable campaign by Mandelson peg boy
    and Campbell pornbully they deserve to fucking lose.

    The more I think about it they only appeal to
    the bought and paid for creatures in this Kingdom
    anyway-so bollocks.

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  34. 86

    Marr is (was always?) an appalling arse-licker. I am very disappointed in the private and very expensive fee-paying London Library for (a) admitting him as a member (a very recent member, so Marr is perhaps looking to the post-Labour future and a writing career?) and (b) giving the cretin space (paid?) in their house mag.

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  35. 87
    barefootcontessa says:

    After all he has got a mouth like a rubber duck in a cartoon, and legs like a heron suffering from starvation.

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  36. 97
    Johnny Cash says:

    And you could have it all………..my empire of dirt, I will let you down, I will make you hurt……………….

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  37. 98
    Anonymous says:

    Mc Broon bringing up the question of Eaton did make me laugh. This is the man who has almost single handedly ruined the country with his nasty stealth taxes …& the unelected PM to boot. Is it no wonder that he is such an unpopular PM!

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  38. 106
    Watt Tyler says:

    Does anyone give any credence to Marrs History of Modern Britain. I never look at it mysef, because I suppose that it is going to be Leftist propopganda.

    While I’m here: actually the BBC doesn’t just pump out left-wing ideology in the news. Look at something like Larkrise, for instance. The BBC would have us believe that the people of that corner of Northants were proto-Leninists. I come from that place, and it is a damned insult, and if I ever met the makers of that program, I would like to clip em aside the ear’ole

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    • 120
      Ed says:

      Marr’s History of Modern Britain is execrable low-brow, dumbing-down of the worst kind. It is just a vehicle for the egotistical Marrr to show off and act infantile.

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      • 160
        Sam says:

        Marr’s documentary has been panned by the critics. One of them described it as “a tedious, dumbed down ego-trip”.

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        • 288
          barefootcontessa says:

          Have watched it, the old films are interesting, but was put off by seeing Marr’s unsexy white spindly body in bathing trunks.

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        • 495
          Feleti Sevele says:

          In 2009, Marr’s publisher, Macmillan Publishers, was successfully sued for libel by activist Erin Pizzey after his book A History of Modern Britain claimed she had once been part of the militant group Angry Brigade that staged bomb attacks in the 1970s. Pizzey became an opponent of the group and threatened to report their activities to the police when they discussed their intention of bombing Biba, a lively fashion store.[6][7] The publisher also recalled and destroyed the offending version of the book, and republished it with the error removed.[8]

          A viewer complaint that Marr’s comment on the Community Charge (Poll Tax) that “Unlike the old rates, it would be payable by everyone, not just homeowners” gave the inaccurate impression householders who were tenants had not been liable for domestic rates. The BBC Editorial Complaints Unit upheld the complaint and promised the error would be corrected before any re-broadcast.[7]

          Current version on wikipedia

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  39. 106
    TomTOm says:

    British hypocrisy – a couple of rabid Lefties with Marr The Cambridge Maoist and Darling the Edinburgh Marxist, though born a Londoner. These two products of bought privilege in public schools with the nice little sinecures of media and politics to keep the ball rolling, and Marr serially impregnating journalists; forget that the cynical and very eruptable public would like to tear down their house of cards and torch both Broadcasting House and The Palace of Westminster together with Whitehall.

    It really is the Ancien Regime awaiting the tumbrils

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    Mitch says:

    more nutters.

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      Fundamentals, it's all about fundamentals and method. says:

      Physics underpin Climate science. Climate science is an applied or derivative science.

      Physicists must be listened to ahead of meteorologists and ‘climate science’.

      Climate science is a mere 30 years old and is in close alliance with the similarly recent environmentalism.

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      abc says:

      It’s about time we had some vigorous debates like this FFS. Is it so very difficult for our broadcasters to grow a fucking spine and start challenging the climate consensus? The BBC report AGW as a proven fact, day in day out.

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      True, but it’s important to get peoples views out in public.

      Hiding people away and letting them hide their “research” leads to scams like creationism and the AGW Scam.

      The reason Ed loses it is because no-ones ever questioned his faith before, he’s been living in a bubble.

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      Max Power says:

      From the guy who car ran on his “own sense of self-satisfaction” in The Simpsons.

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    A Darling says:

    This was the Loretta school I attended and a quick google search will confirm that

    Loretto High School is a private school in El Paso, Texas. It serves grades 9-12.

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    Christmas Dinner says:

    I bet both Darling and Marr both have dilated sphincters

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    Down with Brown! says:

    Don’t give a damn where you went to school. But I do give a damn if you financial policies are bankrupting the country.

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    Man with a sandwich board says:

    The end of the world is nigh.

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    caesars wife says:

    Lorretto high !!

    so was it operation evrythings comfy and cosy on marr this morning then , we the good people of the EUSSR labour party , enjoy a nice chat about topical questions in a light and airy manner . CW is continually amazed that these questions have been put off and off until it comes to somthing boring .The man occupying the treasury wit the worst set of stats ever recorded , mummbles ,shuffles , sips a cappachino . Some 2 years have passed when he should have done the right thing , let alone been clear and transparent , it is the nations finaces after all !! Cw thinks its amazing that marr thinks the public should be treated this way . mind you when your on a nice earner its very easy to forget the public right to know what there government is doing .

    wonder if grades at lorretto high mostly consisted of course work , ecnomics “represent the national economy in the style of whistler “

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    13eastie (148 Days: Good-bye, Gordon!) says:

    DARLING PISSES BILLIONS MORE UP THE WALL

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  47. 162
    13eastie (148 Days: Good-bye, Gordon!) says:

    Desperate AGW proponents are now resorting to rude words, even live on Newsnight.

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    Agent 99 says:

    Just watching the channel 4 news. All attacks on the Tories despite the opposition spokesman Andrew Langsbury pointing out the labour party are as bad. Just brushed over by the interviewer and continues attacks on the Tories. Inheritance tax brought up as well nothing mentioned about Labour of course with a similar policy just attacked the Tories again.

    Until we get balance reporting then this election will never be fair or proper. The line of questioning was insulting but it was pointed out is gaining traction to the detriment of the Tory vote. Why? Both parties are equal on this there are millionaires in Labour don’t people understand that FFS!

    If people believe this shite so much that it changes there voting intention on top of having seen what Labour have done over 12 years then they deserve every single piece of crap that comes there way.

    Vote anyone but Tory (as much as we would want to vote for Ukip etc) and you are guranteed another 5 years of Brown. 5 MORE YEARS OF BROWN. A hung Parliamnet will see a Lib/Lab pact which will change the voting system so only socialists can ever win again then another 10 15, 20 years years of Brown.

    Think about it. Your choice but for christ sake don’t fuck it up again as this really is your last chance.

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      streamfisher says:

      Yes agent 99, wont make any difference in my constituency as its nailed on Labour but the priority must be to get rid of the present incumbents at all costs and then take it from there, that means with our present electoral system voting Conservative.

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    Dave "Cast Iron Guarantee" Cameron says:

    Brilliant way to avoid getting a speeding ticket………

    So this man is speeding along the road and is pulled over by a Policeman.
    The Policeman asks…’Sir could I see your licence’
    ‘No’ replies the man, ‘I haven’t got one’.
    ‘Well could I see the insurance for the car’.
    ‘Oh yeah, I think I saw it in the glove compartment when I was putting the gun in there’
    ‘What? Why you have a gun in there?!’ said the Policeman now slightly alarmed.
    ‘Yeah, I used it to steal the car’. said the man calmly.
    ‘What? This car is stolen? Where’s the driver?’
    ‘Oh,I put her in the boot’
    …….
    ‘Hang on a minute, I gotta call my superior’ said the Policeman.
    The Policeman explains the situation to hi Sergeant who makes his way to the incident’

    He walks up to the car and asks the man, ‘Sir could you step out of the car?’
    ‘What’s the problem officer?’
    ‘Well that kind gentleman over there tells me that you haven’t got a licence.’
    ‘No right here sir’ he says as he flashes his licence to the officer.
    ‘Well is there a gun in the glove compartment?’
    ‘No nothing’ replies the man as he opens the glove compartment.
    ‘Hang on,could you open your boot’.
    ‘Sure thing’. He opens an empty boot with no sight of a driver.
    ‘Wait. That Policeman told me that you stole this car with a gun and stowed the driver away in the boot’.

    ‘Oh yeah’ replies the man, ‘And I suppose that lying fucker told you I was speeding as well, did he?’

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    Paul Mason says:

    The most interesting point about the playing fields of Eton seems to have been overlooked. It was there, the Duke of Wellington no less, famously said that the Battle of Waterloo was won. Do Gordon and his chums think that they are all facing their own Waterloo???? Or is it the country which is facing a grim Waterloo type disaster thanks to Gordon’s less than brilliant economic generalship.

    Either way surely those famous playing fields are exactly the right place for Cameron and Osborne to be plotting their strategy!

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      Gavin Esler says:

      I don’t usually agree with you, but well said Guido.

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      13eastie (148 Days: Good-bye, Gordon!) says:

      Waterloo, 2009. © 13eastie Films, 2009

      Gordumb takes the Eurostar to Belgium and gets a humiliating arse-fucking.

      His moral compass later confirms that it was the right thing to do.

      British sovereignty is at an end.

      His short-arsed French megalomaniac adversary pisses himself laughing.

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        13eastie (148 Days: Good-bye, Gordon!) says:

        Waterloo II, 2009. © 13eastie Films, 2009

        The Emperor of France visits his new annexe.

        Gordumb pretends he is not in.

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  51. 171
    Daveyone says:

    My goodness are there not bigger issues these politicians have got to deal with and they are squabbling about the schools they attended? None of them have much to say, and should ALL hold their heads in shame as they have let the British people down big time and the prospect of Cameron as our next leader doesn’t bode well, and what of the TV debate we are promised , with this lot ot will end up nothing more then a bun fight!! (another Etonian…….)

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    £££ says:

    Anyone have any useful info on this bunch:-

    http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/

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  53. 184
    IVOR SMALLCOCK says:

    JUST ONE LORETTO ! GIVE IT TO ME !

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  54. 185
    Mr Plum says:

    Bit upset today, made a special trip to get a Mail on Sunday, hastily opened the supplement section, looked around for the free thirty quid, only to find a dodgy christmas CD.

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  55. 195
    Climate change denier and proud says:

    Did Marr and Darling bugger each other behind the bike sheds? That’s what they normally get up to isn’t it?

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    Fool me once... says:

    To all those thinking of voting for Con,Lab,Lib Dems.
    Do you not have any self respect? All party’s have shown themselves up as an organised,corrupt and secretive bastion of parliamentary privilage,intent only on their own enrichment and as a ladder to furthur rewards. If somebody shits on you,do you go back for more? Do you not feel any embarrassment at allowing a personal insult not only to go unanswered,but to actively encourage the perpetrator to repeat the offensive assault on your intelligence? Is it any wonder that all MPs now lead the call for “cleaning up our parliament”,as they have been convinced that you can fool enough people most of the time,as the poll figures suggest. Look at Kilfoyle’s outburst at Fawkes,as reported earlier this week. Look at Alan Duncan’s attitude to the taxpayer,on numerous recorded occasions. And you’re are prepared to back them and their pals yet again?
    Taking to the streets is a fantasy that only the extremists favour,but the ballot box is the weapon that is available to all. When you put your cross in the box next to these political conspirators,ask yourself if that’s really the only choice you have,and would you feel ashamed if you caught someone with their hand in your purse and you turned a blind eye,in order not to create a scene?

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      Mark Oaten says:

      Well it is a hard to shake habit

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        Cross Party Consensus says:

        Thank fuck that Oaten pervert is leaving the house,he’s not one of us.
        Doesn’t he understand,we shit on the voters,not the other way around

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      Get Real says:

      Who do you suggest then?

      UKIP? BNP? Greens? they are all a joke.

      The fantasy (as you call it) of taking to the streets is the only way we can really change things. You seem content to point out the problem but then think it can be solved by simply popping down to the village hall to tick a box.

      Stop abdicating your responsibility to others who will only work against your best interests. It is this sort of complacency that got us in this mess in the first place.

      If that makes me an extremist then so be it. I would rather be known as such than just be one of the many here who will refuse to take their heads from out of their arse until it is too late.

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  57. 199
    BillyBob poops on ZaNuLab says:

    Oh f8ck what another mess labour has created….no more NHS Computer System?? I wonder what contracts have been signed and how much it will cost to get out of them?????

    Odious excrement !!

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  58. 211
    Wee Peeeg says:

    Why is England governed and reported by Jocks?

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      Roger says:

      Because it is part of the United Kingdom. Just be thankful that you are not governed by the British-Irish of centurially challenged Ireland.

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  59. 216
    DukeofWellington. says:

    In my day, if we caught a boy doing anything as weak as dreaming on our playing fields we would have given him good hiding.
    Brown doesn’t know what he’s talking about anyway. People like Sir Fred Good-win viewed Brown as their butler. He used to come in tugging his forelock and offer to suck Sir Fred’s-

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  60. 218
    Fawke's Fifty says:

    Darling and Marr both public school boys eh? Just goes to show the old boy network still thrives in this country.

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    In my day, if a boy was caught dreaming on the playing fields we would have given him a good hiding. I have never heard such nonsense from Brown. Anyway, he clearly believes in sucking up to an elite. For years he used to polish Sir Fred Good-win’s boots.

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  62. 220
    Thought for the early evening says:

    There have been since the 60s, a number of cultural currents, like the rise of Feminism, the coming of Buddhism to the West, new interest in Pagan and New Age, and so on, which as a whole, have tended to value feelings and intuition above thinking. For example, go to most any Western Buddhist groups, and you’ll see people have an innate sense that to be enlightened is to have a “natural and spontaneous wisdom”. So one’s own intuitions, one’s own feelings, especially if they appear to be compassionate, are valued more highly and made more important than “technicalities”, like thinking rationally, which after all, produced the Western technological “progress” and “ruined” the environment.

    However, this Western Buddhism is merely a Western New Age interpretation of Buddhism. In the East, Buddhist monks consider philosophy and reasoning a serious matter. Zen isn’t about being in touch with your feelings, or being aloof from ordinary concerns, it is about being directly grounded in reality.

    But because Buddhism and other alternatives like it arrived in the West at a time when Westerners were going Post Modern, alternative, and New Age, what we ended up with was a whole cultural movement that interpreted those things through those lenses. Often when people think they’re doing Buddhism, they’re actually doing New Age. When they think they’re acting in an enlightened way, they’re just acting out their poorly thought out impulses. And likewise with environmentalism, it is often more New Age than anything directly practical. People believe that to be compassionate is to act by your natural intuitions, and they despise or make fun of “the intellect”.

    This is kinda the funny thing about all these Gaia types claiming “the science” is on their side—they don’t actually care about science. If science says there is no evidence that genetic modification is unsafe, they ignore it or call it evil. If science says AGW is real, they’re all over it, and act as if the science is what convinced them. If the science changes and says AGW isn’t happening, they’ll just ignore it and carry on pursuing their intuitions and feelings about harmony with Gaia anyway.

    The thing is, you can have a deep feeling of connection with the natural world, and many people do, but that doesn’t mean that you have rational well thought out solutions for how to make things better in a practical way. Many sceptics, as far as I can see, simply fall into this camp—they do care, but they are interested in practical solutions, which means getting a good understanding of the problem.

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    Sir, it has been brought to my attention that Gordon Brown was Sir Fred Good-win’s fag.

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    nell says:

    So why are these labour folks who have benefitted from a public school education ( marr darling, harpyharriett, hilary benn and on and on…) so coy about their past??

    And how many of them have arranged public school education for their children ? Ruthkelly for one.

    Why are they so ashamed of themselves and their past that they keep trying to cover it up?

    Don’t they think they are worthwhile human beings worthy of being elected to serve us as MP’s simply because they have been privately educated?

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      Ἀριστοτέλης says:

      Exactly..

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        Friendly Neighbourhood Dealer says:

        I went to a shit state school, one thing I notice is that every public school boy I come across tries to play it down because they like to slum it with the riff raff. That is until they get on the phone to daddy for another remittance. I’m not bitter though, they were always good customers and in my line of work thats all that counts.

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      Stalins Organ says:

      you would be better off asking which Labour ministers send their offspring to state schools? Do any of them have any in the Armed Forces?

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  65. 227
    Dave "Cast Iron Guarantee" Cameron says:

    I installed a clapper in my bedroom last week so that I can turn my lights on and off by just lying in bed clapping my hands.
    I never really thought that one through…
    Every time I have a wank my room becomes like a nightclub with strobe lighting.

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  66. 228
    Anonymous says:

    I live in Musselburgh, literally around the corner from Loretto. I would love to send my kid there – so that she can mix with bright, articulate kids with aspirations. They are in a different league. As my daughter is exceptionally talented in the arts (I would say that, but it is true) I am investigating the possibility of obtaining a scholarship. I am more than willing to skint myself in order to pay the rest.

    But you’re right, Dickhead Marr is in no position to criticise an Etonian as Loretto is at least as posh.

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      nell says:

      There’s nothing wrong in getting the best education for your child. Doing without holidays , running an old car in order to afford private education for your own children is something that should be commended.

      Loving, caring parents doing the best that they can for their own. So why are marr and his cronies trying to hide their past and so embarrassed of their parents support of them? Surely they should be celebrating not denegrating it?!!

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        Agent 99 says:

        Nell

        If they did that they would loose the hypocritical stick to hit the Tories with. I wonder how many people watching Darling and Marr today know they were both public schoolboys os similar standing to Eton.

        Therin lies your answer to your question and everything Nu Labour.

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          nell says:

          Yes true but what it means is that everything they do is based on lies and that therefore they are not be trusted.

          And it’s true that many people watching marr and darling today wouldn’t have known about their public school background – but it’s likely to be quite high media profile from hereon in , and as it becomes better known both of them are going to be increasingly regarded as liars!!!

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          Mr Plum says:

          Maybe when Osborne gets in he should consider a windfall tax on biased reporters, not sure what Marr gets but I expect it’s as much as a city banker.

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          • nell says:

            Or a windfall tax on labour peers and ex labour mp’s worth more than £1million.

            Rather along the lines of the first libdem proposal to tax properties worth more than £1million which the libdems have since modified.

            But only after they realised that nickclegg and some of their other members would have ended up having to pay it!!!!

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          • Agent 99 says:

            yes Nell Hopeyou are right.

            High profile if the BBC mention it but they won’t so man in street no wiser. They will though keep mentioning Bullingdon as opposed to Steamer, Yacht as opposed to MangledbuM, Eaton as opposed to Fettes Tory millionaire as opposed to Labour millionaire well you get the idea ad ininitum.

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          • nell says:

            Well come on Agent99 let’s be honest. The BBC is hardly high media profile – according to latest viewing records for their news programmes – they are scoring less than a third of viewers .

            They’re not going to win too many voters to labour’s table with that sort of poor viewing figures are they??

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          • Gordon's Magic Wand says:

            Surely private education is a) a matter of choice in our society, and b) saving the State sector a lot of expense.

            So surely it is win win. BTW I had to pass one of those 11+tests, then an entrance exam, and then all the grovelling to get in to the school of choice.

            It has always been hard to access the best schools in any era, or region. And so it ever will be. Am I bothered that the Top Flight private schools are mainly in the Home Counties or Edinburgh? That is just the way it is. Would I have done better in life? Quite probably. However knowing quite a few Oxbridge achievers, they then seemed to think that all the hard work was done. Er, this life is a journey, and not a destination.

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          • Agent 99 says:

            Agreed Nell but in a recent article on the buy out of GMTV it was indicated that the BBC News viewers had increased by nearly 400, 000 viewers and the Today prog on the radio had seen a similar type of increase. Thats a lot of impressionable people that can then say to other impressionable people who would say
            “I heard this on today well its true I tell you! and its all the fault of those Tory bastards’

            If you see what I mean

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    Britain is a corrupt country.

    There is a social elite would have in effect put a glass ceiling on ordinary people making it.

    To that end the quangos et al were set up to limit and deny rights to the many.

    It is really surprising that inept Gordon Brown should target Bullingdon boy Cameron when both have lived a life of closeted comfort and privilege?

    The hypocrisy of psychologically flawed Gordon Brown is contempible.

    The difference between Gordon Brown and his Tory mirror image David Cameron is simple.

    Location, location, location!

    Class war is a mechanism used by the Labour Party to dupe the foolish into believing in something that doesn’t exist between Labour and Tory.

    Choice!

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  68. 239
    Peaches says:

    Well, I never went to a posh school and nor is my dad a Duke, but I was still a success all by my own talent

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  69. 241
    kricket says:

    Go away little man.

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    Mzzzzth. “G20” HaHaHa-HoHoHo-Perthon, alias 'The Thpanith Onion', alias 'The Tapath Trollope' says:

    Never mind the boyth.

    It’s uth girlth that are the future.

    We, – lethbianth all, – in the new Lie_Bore Pantheon – are thet to rule.

    Oi – Big Boy – wanna feel me onionth?

    Anyone got thomething to feed my podgy face? . . . thandwich . . ? . . . pathty . . . ? . . .anything . . .?

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  71. 252
    A statement by Mr Andy ‘Pease Pudding’ Marvel, - long on rhetoric, slow on uptake, says:

    It’s being dragged up wot dun it for me guv.

    I nevva wanted to work for AlJaBeeba – they made me do it!

    Honest guv!

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  72. 253
    nell says:

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/latest/2009/12/06/labour-backs-off-from-class-war-115875-21878394/

    Even the Mirror is pressing gordon to back off from his class war.

    Will he listen? Doubt it.

    Every one of his minister’s told him he needed to back off from his spend spend spend boasts. Did it stop him?? Nope he keeps going on his own self destructive path thinking we all love him and we are all going to vote for him.

    Poor deluded man!!

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      c.eng says:

      Let’s hope he keeps at it. He’s just persuaded me back into the Cameron camp.

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        Our man on the spot says:

        Fuck me! That was a quick conversion. At 8:39 you were still undecided.

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        albacore says:

        You can’t get much more camp than Call Me, Dave’s pantomime, c. eng.
        The Opposition that never was, principal anti-Labour policy c/o the late Dick Emery:
        “Ooh you are awful!
        But I like you.”

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          c.eng says:

          All this is true, but the key points to consider are :
          1. Dave is not McDoom,
          2. He doesn’t think he’s a Soshalist,
          3. (a bonus this) He doesn’t hate England and the English

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          • albacore says:

            There are several billion other people who aren’t McDoom, so that don’t exactly win Call Me, Dave any kewpie dolls.
            CM,D may not think he’s a Soshalist but how many of his own camp followers believe he’s a Tory?
            As for not hating England and the English, what does he think the Lisbon Treaty is – the Magna Carta with climate change addenda?

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      British Militia says:

      It’s not poor vs rich, it’s parasites vs wealth creators.

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        nell says:

        Parasites = benefit cheats – mp’s- peers – quango employees , local government employees , ngo’s, mep’s ……………..

        Anybody any idea how many billions all of these idiots cost us per annum??!!

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        • 359

          The 2 ends of the Rent-seeker classes.
          Chavs and State parasites.

          Both live via the power of the state to make others work for their benefit without reciprocation.

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          • Dole Bludger says:

            We’re just following the example of our political masters. On the gravy train living out our fantasy.

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          • I reckon the upper end of the rent-seeking classes makes you stay on Dole (most over 100% effective tax for working rather than claiming), so I don’t blame Chavkind.

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          • Dole Bludger says:

            And the best part is,that like Elliot Ness,we’re untouchable!
            Cut our benefits,and we’ll take to the streets,robbing,stealing and thieving.
            Is that what you want,’cause that’s what you’ll get.

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          • No, I favour a citizens Dividend and No Income tax so you gain from working and are thus drawn into wider society.

            It’s not the benefits it’s the Benefit withdrawal rate which is so pernicious.

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  73. 260
    Agent 99 says:

    The end of each thread always seems to loose the numbers and the tracking of the comments or is it just by laptop screwing them around???

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  74. 263
    Christmas Dinner says:

    How P.O.S.H. is this?

    http://www.lorettoschool.co.uk/news/latest_news/1676_loretto-school-is-the-first-all-steinway

    “The consignment of 13 pianos from Steinway & Sons involves a shipment of brand new pianos worth over £300,000 which will be based throughout the School.”

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  75. 266
    Gordon "Tall in the saddle" Brown says:

    There is a vicious rumour circulating that the entity known as thick as thieves has been banned. Is this true? If so,questions must be asked.

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      My question is this “Why did it take so long?”

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        Gordon's Magic Wand says:

        Will he be missed? Oh yes by the NuLabour Cabal delighted with his ability to offend all women, apart from Fag Hags. The MB persona, and the Mr Slaters Parrot were also tedious and hackneyed. He has done more to put folks off taking this blog seriously than Alistair Campbell could ever wish for. He was unable to engage, and the ad hominem attacks were all contrived to fuck people off.

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  76. 267
    Anonymous says:

    http://whoknowswho.channel4.com/

    just had a quick look at this site and it looks weighted in favour of Brown et al (at the moment anyway) – and against the Tories

    apparently one can add to it.

    You know what you have to do.

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  77. 268
    Moley says:

    Will Darling put VAT on food?

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/5606358/a-tax-blitz-that-reveals-labours-mistakes-in-full.thtml

    It would be the ultimate betrayal of every socialist principle; it would hit the poorest in society infinitely harder than Gordon Brown’s 10p tax fiasco.

    Who will tell the poor that their money goes to the socialist millionaires in Government?

    Prescott
    Mandelson
    Blair
    Kinnocks
    Darling
    Miliband
    and many more.

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    c.eng says:

    It’s all so depressing.

    On the one hand we have a bunch of totally corrupt and inept hypocrites who have worked to destroy many of the elements of British life, especially Education, with the result that much of the populace is now so ignorant they can barely reason or figure for themselves,

    On the other hand we have the privileged few who can buy education and confidence so that they continue to rule us, much as they have since October 1066.

    And then there’s us in the middle, who probably make up a majority of commentators to this blog.

    Now I have to say I do scan and read many of the comments on this blog and find interest and solace because it shows I am not alone in my opinions. The comments also help in deciding how to vote in this all important future election.

    I think it was just 2 weeks ago I said I could never vote for Cameron because he seemed such a privileged wet, but once the Great Hypocrites start attacking him for being an Etonian it just exposes how truly awful they are in their own stinking hypocrisy. It might be different if they had one brain cell of capability amongst them instead of their relentless stupidity.

    l thought the point was well made in one comment that whatever else we might think of the Etonians in general, we can’t say they are anti British which is what I find so nauseating in the so called Socialists.

    So in summary Mr Fawkes I find your blog and all its commentators a most useful sounding board, in which case I would rather you didn’t ban some of the more irritating contributors who make points far more amusingly than I can.

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    A Loon says:

    Guido Fawkes says:
    December 6, 2009 at 4:31 pm
    That is for me to know. Am increasingly likely to just ban people who game the system. It is a waste of time.

    50 people account for half the hundreds of thousands of comments. Most people actually don’t come here to read the comments. Yet they take up a heck of lot of Guido’s time.

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    Guido Fawkes says:
    December 6, 2009 at 4:37 pm
    WHO CARES? FUCK OFF AND GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

    Reply

    Has Guido lost the plot?

    Discuss

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  80. 309
    Doris says:

    What a couple of duplicitous twaats. The depths to which these people will stoop know no bounds. They are nothing more than a couple of cheats and liars trying to decieve and spin.

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      Alan Duncan says:

      Politics and the media in one.

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        Harry says:

        Is Loretto posher than Fettes? I do know that they are the Eton and Harrow of Scotland but which comes top? To have these two public school numpties talking about posh english boarding schools in such a duplicitous way would be laughable if it wasn’t so pathetic and see-through.

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  81. 337
    Ratsniffer says:

    Guido says: “50 people account for half the hundreds of thousands of comments. Most people actually don’t come here to read the comments.”

    Don’t get rid of comments Guido! Bloody hell I piss myself laughing at some of them. Yes, there may be scammers, loonies, crack-heads, lefty trolls, multiple username nutters, narcisistic neophytes, fart suckers, circle-jerking noo-labour friggers and the odd raving Narzi fetishist but I absolutely guarantee that in among them are some of the funniest, cleverest, sharpest comments to be found on any blog. Not to mention a big fat dose of common sense.

    You must have had a sniff around at some of the utterly dire piss-poor sites out there Guido; you’ve got the creme de la creme here – and without sounding like a leche cul – this is the best site not just because of you, but because of the punters who read it, comment on it, and watch the adverts, generating you, I hope, a bit of well-earned income.

    I’m sure scanning for potential libels and extremist loons must be a pain….but it would be a shame to have a mass banning….

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  82. 341
    Agent 99 says:

    This is worrying if Labour are already admitting this

    Unemployment will continue to rise next year, Work and Pensions Secretary Yvette Cooper has told Sky News.
    With almost 2.5 million people out of work in the three months to September, Ms Cooper said that total would keep growing in 2010.

    http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Business/Unemployment-Will-Continue-Rising-In-2010-Government-Minister-Yvette-Cooper-Admits/Article/200912115493626?lpos=Business_First_Home_Article_Teaser_Region_5&lid=ARTICLE_15493626_Unemployment_Will_Continue_Rising_In_2010%2C_Government_Minister_Yvette_Cooper_Admits

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    • 346
      c.eng says:

      This is the Soshalist idea of growth.

      The one thing that over the years they have proven immensely good at – putting people out of work.

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      • 381

        Or making people pretend to work.

        “We pretend to work, they pretend to pay us” Soviet Era joke.

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        • 390
          grobdj says:

          Sounds like a day in the life of an investment banker

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          • Oh, They work hard alright.

            If you understand the effect of lowering reserves and Fractional Reserve Banking (I like FRB much better than gold) you will know that say 100 quid of credits and a 10% reserve creates 1000 quid of credits and debits between banks in the system.

            If the regulator pushes the reserve below the risk rate (and they did) the system will blow up. With so much fraud in government I think they did it deliberately. You can hide a lot of fraud when the state writes off your “investments”.

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          • A Jock Fiscal Expert says:

            Very true.
            Got a spare fag?

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  83. 345

    Stop Press

    Brussels gives CIA power to search UK bank accounts

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article6945972.ece

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  84. 360
    IVOR SMALLCOCK says:

    Why are all the comments Fucked Up ? They are appearing all over the place !

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  85. 368
    LOL says:

    Rod Liddle shafts big fat black and bouncy Diane Abbott:

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/rodliddle/

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    • 404
      R Timney says:

      Rush me a copy in a plain,red dispatch box.
      Jacqui’s fucked off to her sisters in a huff,after i suggested a little game of fit the plug in the hole.

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  86. 370
    jpt says:

    Marr the founder member of the Lloyd George fan club you mean?

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  87. 372
    Fred Goodwin's Duck Palace says:

    I thought you might have avoided following the herd in the MSM about this Guido.

    The ‘Toff/not Toff’ story is, to put it bluntly, bollocks and a pig in a poke.

    The election won’t be fought on this. Simple as that.
    Yes, there will be one or two digs and pokes about Eton and privilige but the Election is going to be fought on JOBS.

    With some 69% of the electorate worried about losing their jobs you can be sure that Labour and the Conservatives know exactly what they will be basing their campaigns on.

    So we’ll probably get a re-run of ‘Labour’s not working’ and Brown’s greatest economic blunders from the Conservatives and scaremongering about the Conservatives removing unemployment benefits and huge public sector job cuts from Labour.

    This Eton stuff will be jennifers ear territory.
    You’ll get a 2 day wonder story about it during the campaign but the election is going to be Economy, Economy, Economy.

    It’s the economy stupid, as they say.

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    • 420
      Fairs fair says:

      It’s the stupid economy. Fail at the top,and get a gold plated pension. Fail at the bottom,and get hammered.

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  88. 376
    Dave "Cast Iron Guarantee" Cameron says:

    Paddy finds a sandwich with two wires sticking out of it, so he decides to phone the Police.
    Paddy says: “Bejesus i tink i have found a bomb in a sandwich” The Officer says: “Is it ticking”
    Paddy replies “No i tink it’s Beef”

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  89. 391
    Dave "Cast Iron Guarantee" Cameron says:

    I invited this black guy to my house for a fancy dress party the other day.
    I said “Alright mate? Yeah, so come to my house for the party, the theme is ‘emotions’.”

    Later that night, mid-way through the party there was a knock at my door.

    There was the black man with his cock in a bowl of custard…
    “What the fuck have you come as?”
    “I’m fucking dis custard.”

    Good Evening all

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    • 414
      Bouncing Bobby Ainsworth says:

      I went to the doctors last week.
      He said “I need a semen,urine and stool sample”
      I was in a rush,so i left him my underpants.

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  90. 392
    Daveyone says:

    I saw this on TV earlier and it occured to me is this what was meant as Cameron as Heir apparent to Blair,the schooling didn’t come into it then either;

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  91. 408
    Did He Self-Suck?No.He Couldn't Reach,Hence The Mouth-Gape. says:

    ‘The Man From Loretto’.Following on from the ‘Gurning Goon’, Shoots seven shades of sh*t out of the economy then rides back up North with a Gold – Plated pension.

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  92. 409
    13eastie (148 Days: Good-bye, Gordon!) says:

    One of Loretto’s finest signals readiness to slaughter Aesop’s goose

    And in tomorrow’s news, Old Ma Darling sends little Alistair to the market with a cow…

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  93. 410
    Darion 11 says:

    Poor old big Ears. what EUssr money paid for the tarts cat

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  94. 423

    Want to see something really spooky?

    Alastair Campbell and Aleister Crowley, purveyors of evil; signatures very similar – one was once called “The most Evil man in the World” Can you guess which?

    On my blog now.

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  95. 436
    Hooray for the Bankers! says:

    ‘Super tax’ on bank bonuses: After fury over huge payouts, Alistair Darling to target City fat cats

    Bankers are to face a new ‘super-tax’ on their bonuses.

    Chancellor Alistair Darling is preparing the plan to appease public anger over sky-high City pay.

    Thousands of executives are expecting huge bonuses just 18 months after helping bring the economy to its knees.

    Government sources confirmed that options for Wednesday’s Pre-Budget Report include a levy on bankers who receive bonuses over a certain level.

    City insiders said they were braced for a 60 per cent super-tax rate and predicted an exodus of high earners from Britain.
    Another possibility is an increase in the employer’s National Insurance charge on banks that pay big bonuses.

    In other developments in a make-or-break week for Labour:

    Highly-paid BBC staff, GPs, NHS bosses and local government chiefs were warned they will have to justify publicly salaries of £150,000 or more;

    Senior civil servants were told they face a 20 per cent pay cut;

    Mr Darling prepared to announce a three-year freeze on public spending;

    Fears grew that he will hit middle earners by freezing income tax allowances;

    Shadow Chancellor George Osborne indicated yesterday that he is also in favour of making banks pay more tax

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1233742/Pre-Budget-Report-Super-tax-bank-bonuses-Alistair-Darling-target-City-fat-cats.html#ixzz0YxFBr7P3

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      Disliker of Bankers says:

      If they threaten to fuck off somehwhere else again I will get my bloody gun and march ‘em on board a cross channel ferry quick time. Fuck the fuck off now and ruin Switzerland – see if I care you bunch of troughing no account scrounging gits. You make MP’s look good.

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      • 552
        UK Fred says:

        I know that it’s unfashionable, but in defence of bankers I need to say that Denis Turner, the (I believe now retired) chief economist ast HSBC in the UK used to talk about the debt overhang in the UK, and described the policies of the then chancellor as “Broke” (mainly Bown but with a little bit of Clarke to make it appear sensible while not being entirely truthful) and before that “Clownism” (Amalgam of Clarke and Brown but with a girlfriend called Prudence in the background.)

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  96. 440
    Squiffy the bushed kanguro says:

    Meanwhile working class lads don’t even want to talk to Brown. You skimp on one lot of proper gear for the Army……………….

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6945976.ece

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  97. 447
    thick as thieves says:

    top boy wins by a knockout and remains undefeated.
    victor ludorum yet again.
    tune in same time same place tomorrow to watch more of the heroic adventures of the great thick as thieves as he continues his epic search for a hung parliament.
    tat’s all folks!

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  98. 473
    thick as thieves says:

    and so at the end of the week top boy is the last man left standing. ofcourse.
    the lightweight part-time tribal trolls will never generate enough propaganda to win a workable majority in the general election at this rate.
    looks like a hung parliament is becoming an inevitability dunnit?
    everything is running according to plan.
    excellent.

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  99. 522
    caesars wife says:

    HA : riots in greece are due to unemployment occuring under the recently elected socialist government !!

    Should have rioted in 1997 then , shouldnt we !

    Dont know about quote for day Guido , yvettes one liner must be quote of the decade

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  100. 524
    Agent 99 says:

    This woman is utterly mad! This is an attack on all of us whether you are married or not but apparently ALL married people are now philanderers.

    By the way whens the stupid ignorant fucking cow up in court?

    ‘A charter for philanderers': How Harman describes Tory plans to give married couples tax breaks

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1233754/A-charter-philanderers-How-Harman-describes-Tory-plans-married-couples-tax-breaks.html#ixzz0YyeYw8MH

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  101. 527
    A Loon says:

    I am starting to think strictly come dancing is rigged.

    In other news filtering through the airwaves into my padded cell;

    How do you solve climate change?

    Fly and drive all the world leaders to one place!

    HAHAHAHAHA.

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  102. 530
    One way to save money with the magic bullet says:

    Brown to announce £4bn efficiency savings by using one bullet.

    Straight in to his ugly head – efficiency savings will start immediately.

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  103. 536
    Roger Dodger says:

    Before state schools became irredeemably shite, it wasn’t all public school boys.

    No inner city grammar schools to help poor kids fulfil their potential.

    Funny how Fettes boys always call themselves Eton of the North.

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  104. 542
    Auntie Flo' says:

    Andy Marr:

    Craigflower prep school (‘pure Evelyn Waugh’) and Loretto boarding school in Musselburgh (‘Latin, canings, long runs and unheated swimming pools’). BA in English from Trinity Hall, Cambridge. Began PhD on the modern Scottish novel but packed in after six months.” (Independent)

    http://209.85.229.132/search?q=cache:imcpw_PNVIIJ:www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/andrew-marr-on-a-roll-the-bbcs-allaction-24hour-newsman-746285.html+andrew+marr%27s+father&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=uk

    You should be ashamed of yourself, Andy.

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  105. 544
    English Liberation Front says:

    Marr is a national socialist quisling peddling propaganda on behalf of the occupying fascist power and abusing his position in the BBC. When liberation finally comes he deserves to be tarred and feathered and hung from a lamp post.

    His “History of” documentary is stinking BBC leftist propaganda too.

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  106. 493
    thick as thieves says:

    I win and you lose old man.
    anyway, what difference does defeat make to you?
    you will be dead soon enough. in the meantime top boy says: do not waste what little time you have left on this planet posting futile rants.
    you are a bitter and twisted old man, you cannot hope to defeat a hero.
    you silly old c’unt. go to bed.

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  107. old man says:

    Good night mr weird.

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  108. thick as thieves says:

    the old man with alzheimers said to himself.

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  109. old man says:

    Is there an echo in here?

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  110. confused old cunt says:

    Is there an echo in here?

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  111. thick as thieves, retard says:

    Is there an echo in here?

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  112. thick as thieves says:

    do not steal my name.
    you will not be warned again.

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  113. thick as thieves, retard says:

    What’s that, retard?

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  114. thick as thieves says:

    naughty naughty.

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Rob Colvile reviews Russell Brand’s new book:

“Oddly, the person I feel sorriest for isn’t Brand himself – although he certainly comes across as a rather pitiable figure, projecting his own brokenness on to the world around him – but Johann Hari. Drummed out of Fleet Street for plagiarism, the former Independent columnist has washed up as “my mate Johann, who’s been doing research for this book”. For a genuinely talented polemicist, it would have been a humbling experience to have to treat this sub-undergraduate dross as the scintillating wisdom of a philosopher-king.”



Mycroft says:

Have you read the last bit of Animal Farm?

You know where the animals are looking through the Farmhouse window?

My TV screen was that window at lunch-time today.

Be careful, the sudden self-congratulatory tone, the slightly pudgy outline of indulgence and you become exactly what you should despise.

The jolly face of the Quisling Cameron poses for your camera has mesmerised and deceived you, you who were once not so deceived.

You were no firebrand, you were a damp squib in my opinion, sorry.

You need a damned good kick up the ahse!


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