December 2nd, 2009

CRU Boss Stands Aside, Queens University Blocking Data FOI

CRU boss Phil Jones is standing down while the university investigation reviews the Climategate emails.  He should be a scientific pariah for this one email alone “I can’t see either … being in the next [IPCC] report. Kevin [Trenberth] and I will keep them out somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!” Science is all about conjectures and refutations, if climate scientists try to close down debate* it undermines public confidence.  The public might not understand the calculus of thermodynamics, but it understands snake oil salesmanship when it sees it…

Phil Jones CRU Climate Cooling Denier

The CRU is a taxpayer funded body which is now exposed as not fit for purpose, compromised by global warming advocates rather than staffed by truth pursuing scientists. It has funding largely from the British taxpayer and the EU. Until there is a clear out of the compromised personnel, not just CRU boss Phil Jones, funding should be halted. Taxpayers should be confident that their money is being used for scientific research, not to fund a cabal of global cooling deniers intent on creating a scientifically unfounded basis for a political project.

There is similar issue developing at Queens University Belfast (QUB), where once again global warming alarmist scientists are blocking Freedom of Information requests.  QUB is one of the world’s leading centers for tree-ring work, the tree-ring data that QUB has gathered is valuable for studying the global climate during the past 7000 years. For 2 years mathematician Douglas J. Keenan has been battling to get them to release the data unsuccessfully.  QUB is throwing up chaff to prevent him having access to the data.  Why do they feel so threatened by external review of their data?

*Guido is looking forward to tomorrow’s George Monbiot v James Delingpole debate* being organised by Index on Censorship : “Saying the unsayable: is climate scepticism the new Holocaust denial?” Thursday, 3 December, 6.30 – 8pm, Free Word Centre, 60 Farringdon Road.  RSVP to: bookings@freewordonline.com, more details here.


354 Comments

  1. 1
    jgm2 says:

    They are threatened because they know that all the raw data has been cherry-picked.

    • 3
      jgm2 says:

      Indeed it is far more likely that the only data that ever got put forward was cherry-picked data. The ‘inconvenient’ results that didn’t agree with the pre-determined outcome never even made it into the ‘raw’ dataset.

      That’s what I’d do if I was rigging a dataset.

      • 12
        Sukyspook says:

        I would personally like to shake the hands of – no, in fact give a big congratulatory hug to John Ingham who wrote the following brave article; Prof Ian Plimer for being brave enough to speak the truth and to the much maligned Daily Express for also being brave enough and going against the agenda to dupe the planet into a carbon trading, illegal, immoral and downright criminal nightmare future for us all.

        If only the police, military and judiciary were as brave by standing up and against tyranny instead of ‘just following orders’…..and as for the BBC – it continues to prove itself the mouthpiece of globalists with malintent.
        GMTV mentioned the Express headline and two other similar articles in other papers the names of which I missed so well done GMTV too – even if it was prior to 0600 and post 0700 the newspapers remained firmly on the coffee table out of sight.

        CLIMATE CHANGE ROCKED Weds 2nd December by John Ingham

        “THE scientific consensus that mankind has caused climate change was rocked yesterday as a leading academic called it a “load of hot air underpinned by fraud”.

        Professor Ian Plimer condemned the climate change lobby as “climate comrades” keeping the “gravy train” going.

        In a controversial talk just days before the start of a climate summit attended by world leaders in Copenhagen, Prof Plimer said Governments were treating the public like “fools” and using climate change to increase taxes.”

        Thanks also to Guido for also ‘standing up’ and posting several articles and allowing our views on ‘MMGW’ ‘Climategate’ (the scam to end all scams, imo of course!)

        Those who ‘know’ about the global agenda won’t be surprised to see that the yacht that strayed into Iranian waters was manned by ‘Team PINDAR’!!!! Maketh it uppeth I couldeth noteth!

        • 31
          Get A Life says:

          A platoon was marching north of Fallujah when they came upon an Iraqi insurgent, badly injured and unconscious.

          On the opposite side of the road was a British soldier in a similar but less serious state.

          The soldier was conscious and alert and as first aid was given to both men, the platoon commander asked the injured soldier what had happened.

          The soldier reported, “I was moving north along the highway here, and coming south was a heavily armed insurgent. We saw each other and both took cover in the ditches along the road.

          I yelled to him that Saddam Hussein was a miserable, lowlife scum bag who got what he deserved, and he yelled back that Gordon Brown is a fat fcuk wit and a good-for-nothing, left wing half-blind Jock, and Lord Mandelson is a cross-dressing power mad idiot.

          So I said that Osama Bin Laden dresses and acts like a frigid, mean-spirited lesbian.

          He retaliated by yelling, “Oh yeah? Well, so does Harriet Harman!”

          “And, there we were, in the middle of the road, shaking hands, when a bus hit us.”

          • Global Warming Denierrs are funded by Exxonmobil and the Oil Giants says:

            And if you were interested in science then you’d know that the preponderance of data and overwhelming majority of scientists who are convinced that Global Warming is happening is hardly invalidated by Phil Jones and his retarded e-mails, Professor far-right blogger.

            Strange that you should be so out of touch with Cameron and official Conservative Policy on this one but you rolled over for the official Conservative Part Line on Lisbon with barely a peep against it.

            Just like the far-right blogging hysteria over the discredited global warming swindle programme years ago the far-right blogs will work themselves into another amusing foaming at the mouth frenzy with much noise signifying nothing.

            Cameron will not change his Eco-Dave vote Blue get Green stance on Global Warming no matter how hard all the Daily Mailgoloids here huff and puff.

            Tough titty.

          • Engineer says:

            To “Get A Life” at 9:03am.

            Thanks – best laugh all week. There will now be a lengthy pause while I make another cup of tea and wipe the first one off the computer.

          • Climatologists are the modern alchemists. They have shown the King how to turn hot air into gold.

          • Gordon Brown stole my pension says:

            @ Tough Titty, 09:57.

            “the preponderance of data and overwhelming majority of scientists who are convinced that Global Warming is happening is hardly invalidated by Phil Jones”

            I’m sure you’re right. The overwhelming number of scientists who believe in Global Warming won’t pay any attention to Mr Jones.

            Wot, and lose all those research grants?

            I, on the other hand, living on the south coast of England (and most at risk of rising sea levels), keep a daily record of min/max temperatures.

            This year has been colder than last year, which was colder than the year before. Because of global warming, obviously.

          • Hang The Bastards says:

            GLOBAL WARMING IS A MYTH….

            Its just a way for governments to scare us with a cover story to allow them to fleece us more taxes to build alternate forms of generation whilst they ween themselves of oil.

            Bunch of Lying Bastards !

          • Mr Ned says:

            mr, Global Warming Denierrs are funded by Exxonmobil and the Oil Giants,

            You missed the email where Jones stated that he “has been funded by big oil for the past 25 years, but don’t tell anyone?”

            If you look at the vast treasure trove of information leaked, then you can only come to the conclusion that the temperature reconstruction from CRU is a load of bollocks!

            Here is an easy to read document that puts the whole “climategate” scandal into perspective.

            http://scienceandpublicpolicy.org/images/stories/papers/originals/Monckton-Caught%20Green-Handed%20Climategate%20Scandal.pdf

          • Anonymous Misogynist says:

            @ Global Warming Denierrs are funded by Exxonmobil and the Oil Giants,

            ‘In politics one can never do more than decide which of two evils is the lesser’……Eric Blair/George Orwell 1984

          • Osama the Nazarene says:

            Hey Mr Exxonmobil Giant @9:57 that false academic Jones is having to stand down (for now). Tough titty.

            I happen to be agnostic on this MAN MADE climate change malarkey but when I see so called academics trying to shut down the debate (free academic debate) then I become suspicious and listen to the so called deniers ever more closely.

            Thank you Guido for highlighting another so called academic institution which is afraid to show the data they have arrived at. The next Tory government should withdraw their funding!!!

          • Effrum the ratarded rabbit says:

            hahahahhahahhaha!

        • 53
          • Anonymous says:

            Look this is an easy one.

            Gordon has already outlawed half the budgetary deficit within 4 years, a simple addendum to this Act outlawing Man made global warming and restricting temperature rises in the next 100 years to 1 degree C by statute would solve the whole problem at a stroke.

          • nwo - the new soviet says:

          • genghiz the kahn says:

            134.Compare and contrast.

            The ‘impartial’ BBC summary of The Express front page. “But the Daily Express devotes its front page to an assault on the scientific consensus that global warming is caused by human activity.”

            First couple of sentences from the Express.

            “THE scientific consensus that mankind has caused climate change was rocked yesterday as a leading academic called it a ‘load of hot air underpinned by fraud’. Professor Ian Plimer condemned the climate change lobby as “climate comrades” keeping the “gravy train” going. In a controversial talk just days before the start of a climate summit attended by world leaders in Copenhagen, Prof Plimer said Governments were treating the public like “fools” and using climate change to increase taxes.”

            I wonder why there was no mention of Plimer’s remarks about Climate Change and increased taxes. State run broadcasting reporting on state run scientific research which supports a view of a broad state with high taxes…

          • lefty communist treehugger talks rubbish says:

          • rick says:

            Anyone remember what happened to the Ozone Layer? Weren’t we all going to get fried by unfiltered solar radiation? We used to hear about it every day for about 20 years – now nothing! Was it just yesterdays scare?

          • Mongrel says:

            The hole mysteriously filled itself in. Nobody knew why, just as nobody knew why it had appeared in the first place, although a lot of people thought they did.
            As far as Phil Jones is concerned, the fact that he has been caught manipulating the data is critical. It has destroyed the presumption that his other work meets ethical standards for scientific research. Given that much of the “consensus” about Global Warming is based on his original work, this puts a question mark against the whole thing.

          • Osama the Nazarene says:

            rick & Mongrel the ozone layer refilled itself when the WIs of this country campaigned to stop CFCs in spray cans! Don’t you remember?

          • exscientist says:

            The Sunday Times had some good articles on this subject in th3e magazine, read them! you mighe also read the Scientific American web site. Stop frothing at the mouth and examine what is known. Science is not perfect, it is after all populated by human beings! It is the best we have. Err on the side of safety for our kids sake.

        • 140
          Anonymous says:

          And from Al Jazeera , Australia voted against a climate tax , leaving this disappointed lady,

          “Julia Gillard, the acting Australian prime minister, said on Wednesday the carbon trading bills will be re-introduced in February to give the opposition Liberal Party one more chance to support the scheme.

          She said the government was “determined to deliver real action on climate change” through the scheme.

          “Today the climate change extremists and deniers … have stopped this nation taking action on climate change,” she told reporters, adding that the government was not looking at an early election.”

      • 25
        Mr Ned says:

        And then it was this cherry-picked data that was fed into the IPCC computerised climate models and these models were programmed to react according to this falsified data.

        No wonder that NONE of the IPCC model projections managed to show the past decade of cooling!

        Although the CRU cannot understand why not and they believe it is a travesty that they cannot!

        GIGO! Garbage in, Garbage out!

        The only real climatologist to actually measure the real world effects of carbon dioxide on the radiative balance is Professor Lindzen from MIT.

        Lindzen is used to being ignored. He was one of the climatologists who opposed the new-ice-age scares in the 1970′s and he opposes the climate alarmism today. He does NOT deny climate change, or that the earth has warmed, or that CO2 is a greenhouse gas, or that CO2 does cause warming. It is the extent of the warming that he disagrees with alarmists over. He does not see any evidence of catastrophic warming being caused by CO2.

        Instead of using (and manipulating to propagandise for AGW) computer data, Lindzen has spent decades measuring the actual balance between the energy entering the atmosphere and the energy leaving the atmosphere and looked at the likely mechanisms that ACTUALLY control this balance.

        He has observed that The earth’s atmosphere is self-regulating. When more energy comes in, more clouds form at a lower level which reflects energy, just like a natural thermostat, rather that what alarmists claim that clouds form higher up which trap energy.

        Although there is significant disagreement within the climate science community about this, I think it is the most likely mechanism.

        Either way, it shows that there isn’t scientific consensus about the mechanisms and extent of climate change. Anyone who claims that there is is selling something.

        • 52
          Gordons favourite Butt Plug says:

          Far too sensible. No drama or trauma in that accurate synopsis. How do you get viewing figures up, more papers sold, or big fat taxes levied with an understandable verifiable theory.

          The movement to scare us all is really evil. They know that the data has been fiddled with more than Al Gore’s personal tax return.

          There are far too many vested interests in pushing this utter bullshit. However their timing is all wrong. the Masses will reject it, because the tax burden or lifestyle change will be too dramatic. The Natural Change deniers have actually over egged the whole omlette.

          • Mr Ned says:

            Much more drama in Briffa et al’s “hockey stick” temperature reconstruction based on a careful selection of only 10 trees!!!

            It only took McIntyre a decade to be able to get that data too.

            This obfuscation by alarmists is an affront to science. AGW is Not science, it is propaganda!

          • udderly 'orrible says:

            “movement to scare us all is really evil” – but isn’t part of a pattern? – Asian flu epidemic – millions will die, get vaccinated; foot and mouth disaster, burn and slaughter thousands of healthy animals; etc etc, – its government by deflection.

          • Osbornes favourite Anal Beads says:

          • Anonymous says:

            Bit late to the party Guido but welcome nevertheless.

        • 56
          Sukyspook says:

          Mr Ned Said:

          “He has observed that The earth’s atmosphere is self-regulating. ”

          EXACTAMENTE!!

          Anyone who has ever nurtured plants from seed and eaten the produce – and lives their life with compassion (as much as possible under the circumstances!) and with respect for their fellow men/women KNOWS that we live in a universe of natural cycles and hence on a planet with natural cycles. Of course we should never have done half the things ‘we’ve’ done to pollute such a wondrous place….we weren’t given a choice as £$profit has always steered corporate decisions. However, we are now at a real crossroads where a much better future is entirely possible with ‘right-thinking’, trustworthy people in positions to SERVE the people NOT enslave them…

          The control freaking ‘scientific dictatorship’ believe themselves capable of replacing God/The Creator or whatever we might call whatever might have created or be in control of the spark/energy of life that flows through everything and EVERYONE (imo of course).

          ‘Their’ Utopia is built upon war; FEAR; LIES; hate; death; greed; corruption; sickness etc – the very opposite of what a REAL Utopia should be – built upon mutual respect; compassion; TRUTH; PEACE; health and of course, love etc etc

          ‘They’ are perfectly represented in this advert with their Orwellian/scientific/fascist tyrannical dictatorship – wrapped up in a ‘natural’ front – who knows, the spuds are probably GM (allegedly) too!!

    • 7
      BillyBob poops on ZaNuLab says:

      It would not surprise me if this odious government created a new criminal offence of Denying Climate Change…

      To deny Climate Change and Global Warming will be on a par with Holocaust Denial.

      • 9
        Road_Hog says:

        They will just delete the information, however the reason Phil Jones got caught out was that he deleted his emails from his inbox folder. Then someone explained to him that they’d all be on the server still.

        I’ve been watching this for a while and the guys at climateaudit having been chasing Phil Jones for quite a while. Here’s a post from the end of July, with my favourite comment #3.

        http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=6673

        “Hmmm…I can see a scenario playing out here:

        “You’ve deleted the data, but I have a copy from when it was up, and it doesn’t support your conclusions, there are errors.”

        “You don’t have the real, complete data, we have the complete data and it supports our conclusions.”

        “Show me the complete data then if mine is erroneous.”

        “We can’t show you the data, it’s secret, we have confidentiality agreements, showing it to you would destroy Science.”

        “I’ll file a FOI request.”

        “Oops, we deleted the data completely! Our bad.”

        Or some variation of the above. This is getting out of hand.”

        • 279
          I B Seldom-Lucid says:

          That one comment…

          “We can’t show you the data, it’s secret, we have confidentiality agreements, showing it to you would destroy Science.”

          shows you what a charlatan Phil Jones is.

          Try using that at a defence of a PhD viva!

          No conspiracy worth launching has fewer than 4 levels. Jones was bought, now will be betrayed, by dark forces with a global political agenda.

          Unfortunately, even the most vociferous advocates on ‘either’ side (there are in fact many) present their arguments in ‘easy to digest’ format.

          This is only because they are now confident that scientific education in the West has been successfully neutered by socialist ‘compassionate’ measures to ensure that nobody needs to work hard to get qualifications. Certificates for all. Failure is ‘deferred success’. And in most UK universities there are enormous (mainly financial) pressures to adopt the mantra of my first head of department – ‘nobody fails, its bad for business’.

          The plain fact is, if I wanted to convince the world of an imminent catastrophe, I would put all of the raw data into the public domain and then argue with other peoples’ interpretation.

          I have searched for many hours for raw data and cannot find any that I would not have to pay a lot of money for. I am certain that most of what we are told is just plain lies.

          I believe that man does have a small influence on the temperature of the atmosphere. It seems that there has been an very slight trend of warning since the early 1800s – possibly to do with industrialisation but equally likely to be part of the historic cyclic trends.

      • 19
        udderly 'orrible says:

        The marxist all-controlling swine are getting there:
        “Causing a nuisance or disturbance at an NHS hospital and refusing to leave is now a criminal offence…”
        http://www.hsj.co.uk/news/acute-care/hospitals-given-nuisance-powers/5009139.article

        • 37
          Anonymous says:

          In the Victoria Infimary in Glasgow a young lad had had an accident, on his push bike I think, banged his head.
          He demonstrated all the strange behaviour in your article and was sent away – he had concussion .
          I don’t think the young lad survived but I’m sure someone will correct me if I am wrong.

        • 92
          Moley says:

          A few years ago my dad (now RIP) had a melonoma on his scalp which required surgery and skin grafting. Dad had suffered several strokes nad had severe arthritis, and was permanently catheterised so mobility was a real problem.
          My sister and I ended up taking him from Anglesey to Liverpool by car because no one would arrange an ambulance.

          When we got to Liverpool, they took seven hours to admit him to the ward while we waited with Dad in a wheelchair in a bleak waiting room attached to the ward. The nurses refused to help when dad needed a crap as he had not been admitted and it was health and safety rules. We had to manage ourselves, without any expertise, or a lift.

          We put up with this quietly, but many people wouldn’t. Now the Hospitals have the power to remove people who complain about this kind of shoddy and disgraceful treatment.
          Criticising the NHS will become an offence.

          • Sukyspook says:

            I’m sad to hear of your predicament Moley – it sounds all too familiar as my mother has dementia and imo our local hospital doesn’t want such people in it’s wards. The last time (AND I MEAN IT WAS THE LAST TIME) my mother went into hospital 18 months ago, just about able to walk….when they discharged her – WITHOUT SPEAKING IN PERSON TO A MEMBER OF HER FAMILY – and via a ‘holding area’ alone, for 3 hours, with no food/drink and without the ability to ask for any assistance – she hasn’t walked since…

            When I was a child my Aunt was a ward sister on two ‘geriatric’ wards which is where most old people stayed for as long as they needed to….till death usually. The wards were joyous places to spend even Christmas Day which we often did with lovely, happy staff and clean wards…MRSA and CDiff were never mentioned – perhaps they’re just more fear tactics to stop us even going to hospital!!

            Then came the change in policy to set up more ‘residential homes’ which often end up being privatized as I’ve said here previously – many sold to US Private Equity companies like B l a c k s t o n e Group…(from personal experience and in the lamestream media/Southern Cross website too).

            I endeavour to stay away from ALL sectors of the ‘health’ service (a contradiction in terms lol) if at all possible by maintaining decent as poss diet, exercise and ‘right-thinking’ which I would like to see taught to children at their mother’s knee or failing that, on school curriculums instead of informing our children about the wonders of heroine/cocaine/smack/E etc etc and offering them the ‘morning after pill’ at 12 years of age.

          • Nick says:

            The sad part is that the NHS is a real holocaust. 20-80,000 people a year are killed where mistakes contribute to the deaths. And those are the NHS’s own esitamtes

      • 76
        Sukyspook says:

        I do not deny that a holocaust took place.

        However, even such atrocious events are exploited for religious and political gain and to stifle honest discussion about events that have shaped the ‘reality’ we are currently forced to live in…

        As in the famous Rothschild quote “give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes it’s laws” – if you can also control history, you can control the minds and hence lives, of future generations…

    • 13
      caesars wife says:

      As someone who does science , and as my other posts have said , its a caused a lot of problems , we always assumed it was based on common interpreted data , and that was why 80% of scientists agreed it was man made global warming , this denial of information is all very new to me . Some very expensive computing has gone into the climate models and this peeling away of the layers of peer review untill we find the solid material , is not what any of us who have worked on this with deep concern want .

      However as guido puts very well , tax payer funded crooked science is not what any government should be about . copenhagen now looks like a conference about the wrong questions . CW has been sceptical about carbon trading and off set for some time from the moment that people had to pay to plant a tree to have a less guilty flight . I always thought shouldnt you be planting them anyway !

      The less well know scams of peasant farmer land clearances for bio fuel planting in India and the absolutely frightening loss of veitnamise rain forest for palm oil and cheap patio furniture and the new plantations owners under the guise of fuel security .

      Turns out its no brainer as untouched mature rain forest never would omitt as much CO2 as burning replacement monoculture palm oil crop year on year .

      even if global warming is not so man made , industrial pollution and sanitation on fresh water rivers is , some of these are long term damage which carbon credits and copenhagen will not adress .

      • 34
        Road_Hog says:

        “we always assumed it was based on common interpreted data”

        You need to read up then.

        http://camirror.wordpress.com/

      • 35
        Mr Ned says:

        This is what makes me incandescent with rage. The whole CO2 bollocks is a very very dangerous distraction from very real localised catastrophes. The destruction of ancient forests pushing their inhabitants to the brink of extinction. The real chemical pollution, the island of waste found floating in the Pacific.

        We are creating an ever expanding number of shitholes and these are being ignored by the rush to tax and control ordinary individual people.

        CO2 is not a pollutant, it is a life giving trace gas and it has been far far higher in the past. In fact the higher it is, the better plants will grow. more crops, more vegetation more varieties of life, more abundance.

        What we must tackle is the real damage that mankind has done to the environment, and adding a bit more CO2 into the air is not part of that damage.

        • 114
          Susie says:

          Gordon Brown’s spouting eco-bollocks in Copenhagen, meanwhile Labour are hand in glove with BAA and want to smash down acres of farmland, country houses and a part of ancient Hatfield Forest for a second Stansted runway and build 9 new ‘eco towns’ on greenfield countryside (against the wishes in every case of the locals) and destroying the few AONB we have left with wind turbines.

          With the new planning laws we might as well be indigenous Amazonians trying to preserve our landscape.

          • Mr Ned says:

            Exactly! I seriously resent being told to switch off lights and use these poisonous dim bulbs and not drive as far by people whose own “carbon footprint” is 100 times or more the size of my own! Al Gore is not too bothered about sea levels rising is he, he has several sea-front properties after all.

            No we do not need education to accept the reality of man made climate change.

            We are educated and can see the reality of their Mann made climate con! What we need, if anything, is weapons to depopulate the planet of these money worshiping, but human hating parasites who wish to depopulate the planet of 9/10ths of the “useless eaters” (their phrase, not mine).

        • 293
          Hugh Janus says:

          “The whole CO2 bollocks is a very very dangerous distraction from very real localised catastrophes.”

          Precisely Mr N, but it also provides a lot of very shallow politicians with the opportunity to prance about on the world stage and feel self-important, along with the means to both control and tax the poulation – and all with absolutely no come-back as to their myopic stupidity because they will (thankfully) be long gone when their dire warnings about man’s part in all this are finally shown to be complete rubbish.

      • 292
        I B Seldom-Lucid says:

        Please explain, CW, what ‘common interpreted data’ is?

        Since you ‘do science’, does it come after ‘primary data’, before ‘secondary data’, before or after both.

        Please present you evidence for your assertion that 80% of scientists agreed. It seems suspiciously exact to me. I usually suspect such figures to be sloppily arrived at and have rarely been wrong in assessing work presented to me.

        Without wishing to be unkind, I rather suspect that ‘common interpreted data’ comes from the political wing of scientific endeavour that is generally referred to by my friends and colleagues in the science and engineering disciplines as ‘utter bollocks’.

      • 320
        Budgie says:

        Caesars wife said: “… we always assumed it was based on common interpreted data , and that was why 80% of scientists agreed it was man made global warming …”

        80%? Where do the AGW believers get that figure from? What poll? Who was asked? How were the respondents selected? Agreed? Agreed what? Agreed all exactly the same? Scientists? What counts as a scientist?

        The whole AGW debacle is hinged upon these spurious, made up, pseudo science statements designed to ‘impress’ the public. And the AGW believers have the nerve to accuse sceptics that they are unscientific.

        • 347
          I B Seldom-Lucid says:

          I refer the honourable Budgie to the remarks I made a little earlier…

          albeit with apologies for typos!!

          It seems that CW is now exposed as a witch scientist – to the ducking stool!

    • 27
      Careless Talk Costs lives says:

      Saying the unsayable: is climate scepticism the new Holocaust denial?”

      Yes I think it fair to say that not before long such talk will be an imprisonable offence within the European Union.

      • 38
        Mr Ned says:

        What about ‘climategate’ denial? What about natural variability denial? there are all kinds of denial out there.

        • 70
          Anonymous Misogynist says:

          The data can be manipulated both ways, we will probably find that in 2020 Phil Jones and his CRU at EAU will produce data and graphs (the upside down ‘Hockey Stick’, called 7 which will prove that the action taken in Copenhagen in 2009 by our world leaders was justified, they have saved the planet!

          The Carbon Credit gravy train will have made millionairs into billionairs and trillionaires.

          • Archer Karcher says:

            “The Carbon Credit gravy train will have made millionairs into billionairs and trillionaires.”

            Indeed, Al Gore who left office with a little over $2 million dollars is set to become a billionaire on the back of Cap and Trade Laws, he helped to write. Goldman Sachs are working with every government engaged in this fraud and are set to make trillions and of course, in among them all, are the ever reliable Rothschilds.

            The whole business stinks to high heaven, meanwhile real pollution and environmental destruction is ignored, if it cannot be tied into the AGW monster fraud / tax rape.

    • 63
      Jilly says:

      Yes but Nigel Lawson’s climate change deniers are linked to the big petrol companies.Check it out.There is nothing to be gained by burning tons of fossil fuels.The ice cap is melting.

      • 84
        Sukyspook says:

        Jilly, being a ‘MMGW’ denier doesn’t mean I want to continue polluting the planet as before (it wasn’t all my fault, honest).

        As we all really know – unless we’re “only in it for the money” as Frank Zappa and the Mothers of Invention said (rip Frank) – the new mantra should be:

        PEOPLE BEFORE PROFIT!! simples!

        It’s been my mantra for 30 odd years…..let’s do it!!

        • 157
          Anonymous says:

          It’s an outrage that there is not more objectivity around this whole thing.

          The only way forward I can see with this is for a truly independent (yeah, how the f**k do you find that these days) panel of scientists and statisticians to review all of the raw data, not just the CRU’s but worldwide.
          If it is indeed a “Global Problem” as the mentalist makes out, then we need a “Global Analysis” and to “Concur Globally”.

          Some of the comments in the Harry Read Me file are disturbing.

          In fact, the whole manner in wich CRU seem to manage their IT function is a disgrace.

        • 219
          Sloppy Joe says:

          Please stop saying “Simples”

          • Sukyspook says:

            Okeydokey – simples! (positively the last time, honest!) – just couldn’t resist pissing you off once more..

      • 112
        man maid says:

        You are a global cooling denier and therefore a cretin. We will ignore you.

        • 122
          Sukyspook says:

          “You are a global cooling denier and therefore a cretin. We will ignore you.”

          Warming, cooling – IT’S NATURAL – DEAL WITH IT!! (lol)

          It’s just not helped by control freakery, the opportunity to exploit everyone and everything – INCLUDING THE PLANET – and the drive for ever more pro£its.

    • 113
      Jobs for the boys says:

      His job could not survive in the current climate :)

    • 125
      • 142
        Sukyspook says:

        Thanks for reminding me David (!) – I briefly heard that on GMTV too I think it was. Excellent.

        Did you also hear Obama address the students at West Point (captive audience – following orders you see…) – his ‘troop surge’ is part of the ‘Common Purpose’….

    • 136
      Andy says:

      Not as threatened as Roger Harrabin, the BBC’s Environment Correspondent.

      He was frankly disgraceful on Radio 4 this morning, as partisan on the CRU issue as anyone I’ve ever heard. Why? Maybe because without “Climate Change” the guy wouldn’t have a job?

      • 168
        Anonymous says:

        The BBC openly admit they have an editorial policy that climate change is man made.

      • 263
        I Robot says:

        On the contrary, the teat Harrabin suckles is bigger than you think. Here are fellow fascist green roaders, organized into a collective to promote their particular self-interests:

        Society of Environmental Journalists – http://www.sej.org/about-sej/funding-sources

      • 302
        Hugh Janus says:

        “Not as threatened as Roger Harrabin, the BBC’s Environment Correspondent.”

        His title is usually given out as ‘Environment Analyst’. Can’t imagine why, perhaps it just sounds a bit more grand. ‘Correspondent’ is what he is however. I have become increasingly irritated by his obvious and generally unquestioning support for man-made global warming – he just seems to spout the latest press release each time.

        Brown’s Broadcasting Corporation – never knowingly unbiased.

    • 171
      Nick says:

      What is also interesting is what UEA will do about it. With the Vice Chancelllor himself mentioned in the emails, we may well get a real investigation. When they say they have been economical with the truth in their dealings with him, there is a chance that UEA says its reputation is worth more than the CRU’s reputation, or the already trashed reputation of those involved

    • 250
      michael fish says:

      best book on the arguement against man-made global warming is by Professor Ian Plimer called Heaven and Earth…..he goes on..and on.. about the dirty deeds of the ‘University’ of East Anglia and the global warming gravy train.

      here’s a question for you all…if the North Pole ice cap was to melt tomorrow.would there be a rise in sea level?
      clue: that greek bloke called Archimedes..

      • 267
        thick as thieves says:

        NOTHING TO HIDE NOTHING TO FEAR!
        NOTHING TO HIDE NOTHING TO FEAR!
        NOTHING TO HIDE NOTHING TO FEAR!
        NOTHING TO HIDE NOTHING TO FEAR!
        HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
        HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!
        TOP BOY IS LAUGHING HIS FUCKING ASS OFF RIGHT NOW!
        SCIENTISTS? DON’T MAKE ME FUCKING LARF
        THESE C’UNTS ARE ANTI-SCIENCE. USEFUL IDIOTS BRIBED BY FUNDING.
        NOTHING TO HIDE NOTHING TO FEAR!
        HA! HA! HA! HA!
        WE WANT TO SEE ALL THE CORRESPONDENCE – EVERYTHING
        OR WE WILL HANG EVERY ONE OF THE SCIENTIFIC COLLABORATORS
        SCIENTISTS? BUNCH OF FUCKING LYING C’UNTS MORE LIKE
        WHAT A FUCKING SHOWER OF SHIT.
        EVIDENCE? MAKE IT UP AS THEY GO ALONG.
        C’UNTS.
        NOTHING TO HIDE NOTHING TO FEAR INNIT?
        TIME TO SHUT THESE MOTHERFUCKERS DOWN. IF WE HANG A FEW ‘SCIENTISTS’ THE OTHERS WILL SOON FOLLOW.
        FIRST THE SCIENTISTS AND THEN THE MPS AND THEN THE BANKERS AND THEN THE LAWYERS BUT DO NOT LAY A FINGER ON AUNTIE DALE SHE HAS AN AMNESTY.

        • 282
          Sukyspook says:

          I think I just heard the Christmas no 1 TAT. I’d pay good money to buy that put to music.

          Talking of alchemy, which we weren’t but OH was earlier – the Rothschilds are the financial alchemists – turning lies, misery and death into pro£its.
          Ch chiiiiiiiiiiiing.
          Also, turning muck into profits via their lucrative V e o l i a….ex of V i v e n d i en Francaise. I would say simples but it’s verboten.

        • 313
          thick as pigshit says:

          I CAN TYPE IN CAPITALS!
          I CAN TYPE IN CAPITALS!
          I CAN TYPE IN CAPITALS!
          I CAN TYPE IN CAPITALS!
          I CAN TYPE IN CAPITALS!
          I CAN TYPE IN CAPITALS!

          I KNOW BETTER THAN MOST SCIENTISTS ON THE PLANET COZ OF THEM THERE EMAILS FROM PHIL JONES
          INNIT?

          BEING SO FUCKWITTED AS TO BELIEVE THE WORLD IS ONLY 6000 YEARS OLD IS ANTI-SCIENCE. THINKING THE GRAND CANYON WAS CAUSED BY GOD FLOODING IT TO LET NOAH’S ARK THROUGH IS ANTI-SCIENCE. THINKING DINOSAURS ARE A HOAX IS ANTI-SCIENCE. THINKING EVOLUTION IS A SCAM DONE BY DEM EVIL SCIENTISTS IS ANTI-SCIENCE. PERFORMING FUCKING EXORCISMS IS ANTI-SCIENCE.
          AND PROFESSOR PALIN, QUEEN OF THE GLOBAL WARMING DENIERS AND NEOCONS IS GUILTY OF THEM ALL AS WELL AS HER ‘GLOBAL WARMING IS A SOCIALIST CONSPIRACY’ DIMWITTEDNESS.
          THICK AS PIGSHIT IS THICK AS PALIN.
          HOW DO YOU LIKE THEM NEOCON WARMONGERING TARDS WHO AGREE WITH YOU AND YOUR ANTI-SCIENCE BOLLOCKS YOU PATHETIC LITTLE CUN’T?

          • Budgie says:

            Most scientists on the planet? Are you sure? When was this investigation carried out? Can we see the results? And the questions? How did you decide who were scientists? – or are they all labeled on their foreheads? Who carried out your survey? Are the surveyors qualified? Where is it published?

            You are not just thick as pigshit you are a tribalist AGW true believer, and apparently uninterested in facts.

          • thick as thieves says:

            NOTHING TO HIDE NOTHING TO FEAR!

    • 255
      Carry On Don't Lose Your Head (1967) says:

      This is what Richard Feynman had to say in his talk ‘Cargo Cult Science’:

      “The first principle is that you must not fool yourself – and you are
      the easiest person to fool. So you have to be very careful about
      that. After you’ve not fooled yourself, it’s easy not to fool other
      scientists. You just have to be honest in a conventional way after
      that.”

      CRU has to be disbanded. It has betrayed science.

      • 284
        Sukyspook says:

        “CRU has to be disbanded. It has betrayed science.” – as the new world odour has betrayed humanity.

  2. 2
    Number 7 says:

    Al Jabeeba have just reported on toady that Jones thinks the email furore is rubbish!

    • 22
      backwoodsman says:

      Yes, what jones says must be right if the bbc are reporting it…

      Well done on this Fawkes – its yet another example of nulab and their clients’ reliance on mendacity to railroad people towards their stated goals. Life was so much easier for them when there was just good old Toe nails and the Lobby !

    • 29
      udderly 'orrible says:

      Well as his profitable gravy train of 112 million quid in government grants for “adjusting” the data just hit the buffers, it’s rather what you’d expect him to say.

      Now let’s see him and his climate chugger comrades dragged into court under one of the vast array of catch-all laws with which Liebour has besmirched the statute book.

      Poetic justice.

    • 41
      The Ape man commeth says:

      While the BBC on radio 4 FM and Medium wave are spining the CRU story ie useing nasty words to paint the truth in a negative light and positive words to paint the CRU and warmists in a good light, that same BBC, at virtually the same time, on Long Wave in ‘Yesterday in Parlement’ are telling of the debate in the HoC yesterday by the C party (and others) of the damaging lose of free spech and the danger of the supression of scientific information due to the favourable lible laws that exisit in this country!!!!!

      • 87
        AngryFrank says:

        I was totally disgusted with the spin on Radio 4 this morning. In fact I doubt I will ever listen to this station again as this is the second time in as many weeks that a story has been spun. The first was the so-called Ed Balls/Michael Gove exchange regarding GCSE exam questions, the BBC made it sound like Balls had one over on Gove, subsequent reporting in the Torygraph printed the rest of the exchange which showed Balls to be the twat rather than Gove. The BBC are fast becoming enemy number one in my book, impartial they ain’t!

        • 146
          Susie says:

          Agreed — then there was their reporting of the “Tory peeress Warsi pelted with eggs incident” as though it was faintly amusing and she should have been more sporting about what was common assault.

          I turn on Radio 4 every day in the hope I’ll hear something rational and uncontaminated with spin as I used to do 20 years ago, after a few minutes I invariably have to turn it off again in a rage.

        • 172
          PJB says:

          …….. and it will get (even) worse as the Election approaches – the BBC has a lot to lose

    • 45
      Mr Ned says:

      He has been caught flat out lying, involved in conspiracy to defraud the scientific process by the corruption of the peer-review process, of conspiring to bully publishers and of using ridiculously incomplete and imaginary data and of deleting data rather than allow the legal FOI request for other parties to view it.

      Who the hell will believe anything that this lying charlatan says ever again?

      Of course he is going to say, ‘nothing to see here.’ If he said anything else and admitted the truth of the situation, he will bring down his fellow co-conspiritors at NASA GISS, Hadley, the Met Office etc…

      We can also see which media are puppets to the agenda, as they DENY the massive and obvious truth, rather than investigate it.

    • 138
      Alan says:

      Why on earth would scientists not release data under the FOA? Well sometimes the data isn’t there’s to release.
      But more often than not the people asking for it are idiots and timewasters.

      http://eastangliaemails.com/emails.php?eid=933&filename=.txt

      “Dear Mr. McIntyre,

      I gather that your intent is to “audit” the findings of our
      recently-published paper in the International Journal of Climatology
      (IJoC). You are of course free to do so. I note that both the gridded
      model and observational datasets used in our IJoC paper are freely
      available to researchers. You should have no problem in accessing
      exactly the same model and observational datasets that we employed. You
      will need to do a little work in order to calculate synthetic Microwave
      Sounding Unit (MSU) temperatures from climate model atmospheric
      temperature information. This should not pose any difficulties for you.
      Algorithms for calculating synthetic MSU temperatures have been
      published by ourselves and others in the peer-reviewed literature. You
      will also need to calculate spatially-averaged temperature changes from
      the gridded model and observational data. Again, that should not be too
      taxing.

      In summary, you have access to all the raw information that you require
      in order to determine whether the conclusions reached in our IJoC paper
      are sound or unsound. I see no reason why I should do your work for you,
      and provide you with derived quantities (zonal means, synthetic MSU
      temperatures, etc.) which you can easily compute yourself.

      I am copying this email to all co-authors of the 2008 Santer et al. IJoC
      paper, as well as to Professor Glenn McGregor at IJoC.

      I gather that you have appointed yourself as an independent arbiter of
      the appropriate use of statistical tools in climate research. Rather
      that “auditing” our paper, you should be directing your attention to the
      2007 IJoC paper published by David Douglass et al., which contains an
      egregious statistical error.

      Please do not communicate with me in the future.

      Ben Santer”

      • 228
        SarahN says:

        “Algorithms for calculating synthetic MSU temperatures have been
        published by ourselves and others in the peer-reviewed literature.”

        Well, that’t part of the problem isn’t it? Their datasets, their “peer-review”.

        If you don’t want to comply with FOI requests, then don’t accept a penny from the public purse. Simple. You can make up anything you want and tell FOI requesters to eff off when they ask to see your data.

        “Well sometimes the data isn’t there’s to release.
        But more often than not the people asking for it are idiots and timewasters. ”
        Then say that, “sorry, we actually don’t hold the data you request etc. etc. perhaps it may be available at …….”

        When I worked at a medical training and research institute, we prepared form letters which could easily be adapted to individual requests. We did want to help people, but often had to let them know that we simply didn’t hold data on their request, and always referred them to other sources, or their doctor.

        “But more often than not the people asking for it are idiots and timewasters” – who are paying your wages, asshole.

      • 231
        Archer Karcher says:

        They cannot release the data, because it would show they have all been complicite in a fraud. That in turn would mean government funding drying up and criminal charges being laid.

        I laugh when extremist greens bleat about oil companies funding “deniers”, the US government has spent $89 billion on attempting to prove AGW and has failed miserably.
        None of the government sponsored climate models in the entire world predicted the last ten years cooling, not one.

        Yet we are supposed to believe somehow AGW is real, is driven by CO2, will destroy the world as we know it, yet while CO2 continues to rise every year ( according to their own rigged figures ) somehow, AGW has gone on holiday for the last decade and may well be on “holiday” for the next 30 years.

        What utter tripe.

        • 256
          Mr Ned says:

          I love that email where Professor Jones admits he has been funded by big oil for decades, but don’t tell anyone!!!!

          LMAO!

      • 253
        Mr Ned says:

        Well it is not good enough to say, we got the data from here, you go get it too!

        When scientists present a conclusion, they must present their supporting data.

        No data means no credibility. Now we know that the entire peer review process was perverted too. It was as stringent as the Vatican asking Franciscan monks if Jesus was the son of God!

        The CRU temperature dataset is completely compromised as is any other surface station record linked with it, (GISS) and both satellite records which used the CRU data for calibration.

        The reason the data was with-held was NOT because it was idiots asking for it, (and that statement in itself shows how arrogant and unscientific Jones is) but because the data was SO BAD that it undermines the entire hypothesis that the last 50 years were the warmest for the last 1000 years. They clearly were not!

      • 286
        Animal says:

        Thank you for your selectively quoted response to an FoI request Alan – and for the display of typical disdain for people who question the information put to them by others, both by yourself and by the writer of the message.

        Undoubtedly some requests are going to be at times little more than mendacious or are part of an agenda. But the presentation of the ‘facts’ by the likes of the CRU are now wide open for debate – which you don’t mention.

        The message you published reinforced the hacked CRU email exchanges where McIntyre is described by Ben Santer as a ‘jerk’ – hardly the foundations of a friendly reply you may gather. In fact, let’s take a look at the request made by Steve McIntyre:

        “Dear Dr Santer,

        Could you please provide me either with the monthly model data (49
        series) used for statistical analysis in Santer et al 2008 or a link to
        a URL. I understand that your version has been collated from PCMDI ; my
        interest is in a file of the data as you used it (I presume that the
        monthly data used for statistics is about 1-2 MB) .

        Thank you for your attention,

        Steve McIntyre”

        Perhaps it doesn’t leap off the page to you, but in my eyes I can see a request being made – rather politely – from Steve McIntyre who is then treated to a patronising and childish reply from Ben Santer. I’m aware that these Academic types can lack some of the social skills others in the real world take for granted but, dear me, what a particularly unprofessional and discourteous reply!

        However, the text from Ben Santer does helpfuly illustrate the closed minds and deliberate stonewalling by most – if not all – of those involved with climate change studies of anyone who dares to question their work, which do not forget is paid handsomely by public funds.

        Does your example message show that FoI requests are more often than not made by idiots and timewasters? I rather doubt it. Unless you factor in Labour MPs repeatedly asking for expnse claims by army top brass of course.

        • 331
          Alan says:

          I think it’s a polite but firm response pointing out that the data is out there and that the person who requests it will have be of a certain scientific ability to understand it.
          Given they’re not bright enough to understand this for themselves I’m surprised the response wasn’t a great deal shorter.

          As for you “SarahN” ““But more often than not the people asking for it are idiots and timewasters” – who are paying your wages, asshole.”
          You don’t pay my wages. I have my own company and make a nice little sum thanks for asking. But I do know about science. And I’m also happy my profits helped pay for the little stick you attach to your head to help bang out your “thoughts” on the keyboard.

          The recent moves by those opposed to climate change on political grounds (why is Guido talking about this? He can disagree with the politics and what to do, that’s what he knows about. But him and most posters haven’t a clue what these emails mean) to start demanding “raw” data and use the FOA are just bizarre.

          You don’t know what you are talking about. You could no more understand this data than Guido.

          • Animal says:

            So you are of the opinion that most posters do not understand the published emails, believe I do not know what I am talking about and that this is all far too much for our little minds? That making such requests is not so much about ensuring there is honesty and clarity as being just a waste of time from ignorant, time-wasting idiots?

            So,so wrong. And such a terrible mindset to adopt.

          • SarahN says:

            Actually Alan, I do know what I’m talking about. I worked for years complying with access to sensitive data requests and helping people who often came to us with complicated and repetitive questions.
            Unlike you, though, I never assumed that being better educated than the average person in the street made me too special or clever to help them.
            That’s the basic difference between an intelligent person and an arrogant fuckwit. Are you smart enough to figure out which of those terms best describes you?

      • 330
        Budgie says:

        Alan, you omit the fact that a rigorous audit requires not just the raw data, and not just the calculation methods, but also the assumptions behind the way the data is treated. Normal scientific and technical papers cite all their assumptions as well as references. Why won’t you AGW believers? Something to hide?

  3. 4
    Mudplugger says:

    Stick it to ‘em, Guido. The sooner this global tax-raising conspiracy is exposed the better.

    Objective science is wonderful and has given us most of the developments we enjoy today, but the current dependency on politically-driven research grants inevitably pollutes any results.

    As ‘Deep Throat’ once advised, “Follow The Money”.

    • 80
      Road_Hog says:

      Here’s a nice graph showing historical CO2 atmospheric content and global temperatures. During the Cambrian period CO2 was 18 times higher than it is today. Notice how today’s global temperatures are much lower than they have been historically?

      http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/PageMill_Images/image277.gif

      • 340
        michael fish says:

        yes yes. read Ian Plimer’s book called Heaven and Earth….not just the Cambrian but also the Carboniferous period enjoyed exceptionally high CO2 levels..we have found no evidence (to date) of paleozoic steel mills and coal fired power stations. global warming does happen, as does global cooling (ref. glacier striations on rocks in Mauritania, e.g.). there is no anthropological correlation.
        differing opinions on this subject should not really bother me. but as a taxpayer it does.

    • 107
      Anonymous says:

      Marxist science, it only comes out with the results you want.

      • 229

        The New Labour Creed

        I believe in Tony the Father Almighty,
        Saviour of heaven and earth:
        {Just 16 days left but Gordon will manage to sort it all out somehow.}

        And in Gordon his only unwanted Son of the Manse

        Our Gord,
        Who was conceived by the Unholy host, Lord Peter
        Born of the Virgin Harriet,
        Suffered with his Moral Compass,
        Was crucified, dead, and buried in the opinion polls
        He descended into the bunker;
        The third day he relaunched again from the dead;
        He ascended into Europe, and embraced climate change as a new religion
        And we all now sitteth on the right hand of Gord the Father Almighty;
        From thence he shall come to fudge and trick and make us misled.

        I believe in the Holy Ghost;
        The holy multi-cultural Church;
        The Communion of personal restraints;
        The Forgiveness of spins;
        The Resurrection of the reputation,{anyone can come back in this government..}
        And the Lie everlasting.

        Amen.

  4. 5
    resurgemus says:

    People in Belfast saying no for the sake of it ?

    That’s a novelty.

  5. 5
    "Two Banjos" says:

    Ive made my mind up, global warming is a fact.
    Next you will be telling us all that the “gas chambers” at Auswitch were actualy built by the soviets after the war .
    John “Two Banjos” Prescott

    • 8
      BillyBob poops on ZaNuLab says:

      “Two Banjos” looks like the consequences of that incestuous inbreeding is coming through….facts is facts!

    • 24
      Road_Hog says:

      Hey John “Two Banjos” Prescott, I really enjoyed your global warming talk on toilets in China recently.

      • 32
        Labour Mong with a six month notice says:

        Global Warming IS real.

        It would need to be bloody real or I will be on the Rock’n’Roll with big debts, no job and no ticket for a gravy train after the next election!

      • 50
        "Two Banjos" says:

        You can laugh now but what do you want, a Tsoonami or a warm bidet?
        Because we all have to chose between the two.
        Its very nice to have such comforts but they are unneccitated by the carbon threat that faces us all.
        I have had a good positive day meeting challengers
        Good wishes to you all

        John Prescott

        • 72
          jgm2 says:

          He really could be that stupid. It would be just like the thick fucker to think that tsunamis (caused by earthquakes) are a natural consequence of CO2 production by power stations.

          And it would be just like the thick fuckers atthe BBC to report it as fact.

      • 59
        Two Jags Two Slags PRESCOTT says:

        Old “Two Arse “Will be ordering a couple of them to fit in his “Mock Tudor” Shithouse !
        And if one C*nt needs to cut down on carbon emisions Its that lard arsed pie muncher !

      • 59
        Prezza's dad cum grandad says:

        Ee’oop, ‘appen bath is for keeping coal, not this fancy business that John’s friend Peter would get opp to

      • 94
        CLEVER THESE CHINESE says:

        Just A Couple Of Thoughts On “Two Bogs” Bog One The seat lifts up when you walk in Why ?If You Want A Shite,Or You Are A Woman You Dont Want The Seat Up ! And I Would Think What The Thick C*nt Was Looking At Was The Most Upto Date Eco Friendly Bog On The PlanetIt Probarbly Has A Small Turdbine In The Back That Produces Its Own Electric To Heat The Seat Flush Control Etc

        Also instant wash means no Bidet and you dont have to run the water till it gets warm !

      • 104
        PRESCOTT WORLD STATESMAN says:

        Solly we no sewl fee an cheep an we don ave sore finger
        Prescott : What sort of fuckin chinese are you lot all our chink’s sell fish and chips with salt and vinegar !

    • 222
      13eastie: (155 Days: "Good-bye, Gordon"!) says:

      Such an unbelievable сunt.
      So incredibly stupid.

      So, Giovanni, whose fucking idea was it for you to fly half-way around the world to talk complete shit and embarrass yourself and us in front of the Chinese. No ‘carbon’ there, then? And who got to pay for it? Well thanks a lot. I really got a lot out of that.

      They offer smaller, cheaper hotels in China, just like everywhere else. Everyone seems to know about them except troughers like Two Shits. People who don’t get to charge their accommodation to the tax payer will have noticed that such places can often have far smaller baths, though we can all see the problem this might pose for this fat crap.

    • 343
      michael fish says:

      dear Banjo. the whole point is whether it is caused by man/woman or not.
      if yes then we need to do something
      if not then order a 4×4.
      also note the ozone hole over antarctica has healed.
      assume this was predicted.
      like the correlation between C02 levels, temperature increase and coalfired power stations

  6. 10
    junkkmale says:

    Oh lor… Delingpole vs. Monbiot.

    Now I KNOW the MSM is solely dedicated to generating as much heat as possible and zero illumination.

    One side seems happy enough that be the case; the other should be ashamed to be so dogmatic as to be trapped into such a narrow, dead-end creek.

    Meanwhile bazillions are being committed in all sort of areas where the enviROI is either unclear or doesn’t matter to the brain strains in government and media who seem to care little whether what they say or do makes any sense so long as it plays well to their audiences, funders or lobbyists.

    We live in a delusional boxtickocracy informed by no more than tribalist ratings whores.

  7. 11
    • 179
      Susie says:

      Anyone who has a garden knows that different plants grow at different rates depending on where they are planted, aspect, the soil quality, the weather and the other plants around them.

      Even in my own 2 acre garden in Suffolk the conditions are totally different around the house from the bottom of the garden where we’ve planted an orchard — if micro-climate can differ over a matter of a few hundred yards, how tree rings can be a reliable guide to climatic conditions beats me — for example, maybe there was a high wind 1,000 years ago, trees blew over so the ones left had more light and nutrients and put on more growth… doesn’t mean the climate warmed or cooled.

      • 327

        Noooooo Suzie!

        You can’t possibly counter the experts from the ‘University’ of East Anglia by common-sense arguments like that – for that is lese majeste of the worst kind.

        These experts are obviously so much brighter than us mere mortals who had to make do with inferior, old fashioned universities like Cambridge, and we should defer to their exalted status.

        AGW is a scam perpetuated by second rate minds at third rate universities, but in Airstrip One in the 21st century that’s just par for the course.

      • 344
        michael fish says:

        now this is what I call a good common sense arguement. obviously Susie you are not from the ‘University’ of East Anglia

  8. 14
    Rick the Roman says:

    In my mind this is a bigger scandal than MP’s expenses. Copenhagen will set Governments on a course to introduce a whole raft of green taxes. We shall get them whoever is in power. CMD has taken the environmentalist pill and is converted.

    I was accepting of the science until the CRU emails were leaked. I’ve tried wading through them and certainly some clearly show obstruction of FOI intent, and massaging of the data. They clearly show huge amounts of dishonesty and now I am totally sceptical about man-made global warming.

    The MSM are totally in the mindset that MMGW is a given. Last night’s BBC six o’clock news carried a story about GW by David Shukman. The gist was “the ice is melting, there will be large scale flooding, this is a given yet the British public is sceptical of the claims”. For “balance” they had a weak opponent of GW, who mouthed platitudes. NOT ONE MENTION of the CRU emails. The most recent factor to make the public sceptical, in my view.

    I’ve made an official complaint about bias and unbalanced reporting to the BBC. I know it will make no difference but it made me feel better and if it causes irritation to some Beeboid lacky I’ll feel vindicated.

    Sorry for ranting

    • 30
      caesars wife says:

      The ice loss is fairly simple to prove , from polar surveys and satellite info (note i did not mention cause) , the ice sheet thinning is a bit more tricky partly because one pole is floating ice and the other is land galciers and ice shelfs . the worry with greenland is its potententail to shed its galciers quickly , as warming will increase there rate of travell .

      The sea currents theories is quite acceptable , as we know deep sea currents come from the polar regions , and war ones are more surface and from the equator .

      so its not all good news , i doubt they would be stupid enough on things like arctic and antartic missions to not fiddle measurments , so it certainly seems that if any fiddling has been going off its confined to these key privilidged data sets .

      re thinking policy should now turn to growth , CW says not so fast this doesnt prove that further problems arnt on the way .

      • 51
        Mr Ned says:

        Greenland did not shed it’s interior ice during the medieval warm period, it just formed lakes. Greenland is a massive bowl. The ice at the edges can melt and run off into the sea, most of the ice, if it melted, would form massive lakes in Greenland.

        • 55
          caesars wife says:

          so how come most of its glaciers run into the sea ?? and dont just it in the bowl !! it doesnt appear to br running uphill

          • SarahN says:

            Sorry for the long quote, it’s from the Snow and Ice Data Center (http://nsidc.org).
            “The sheer weight of a thick layer of ice and the fact that it deforms as a “plastic” material, combined with gravity’s influence, causes glaciers to flow very slowly. Ice may flow down mountain valleys, fan across plains, or in some locations, spread out to the sea. Movement along the underside of a glacier is slower than movement at the top due to the friction created as it slides along the ground’s surface.

            Glaciers periodically retreat or advance, depending on the amount of snow accumulation or albation that occurs. This retreat or advance refers only to the position of the terminus, or snout, of the glacier. Even as it retreats, the glacier still deforms and moves downslope, like a conveyor belt. For most glaciers, retreating and advancing are very slow occurrences, noticeable only over a long time. However, when glaciers retreat rapidly, movement may be visible over a few months or years. For instance, massive glacier retreat has been recorded in Glacier Bay, Alaska. Other glaciers have been photographed at intervals showing dramatic recession.

            Alternatively, glaciers may surge, racing forward several meters per day for weeks or even months. In 1986, the Hubbard Glacier in Alaska began to surge at the rate of 10 meters per day across the mouth of Russell Fiord. In only two months, the glacier had dammed water in the fjord and created a lake. This illustrates how quickly a surging glacier can change its surroundings.”

            The important thing to note is that glacial activity is not only dependent on termperature.

        • 345
          michael fish says:

          why is it called Greenland?. err…maybe at one time it was ice free…
          check with the Vikings.

      • 163
        BBC bias says:

        Making an official complaint about the BBC news bias. I could have saved you the trouble of writing the complaint.

        The BBC will write back saying they take on board your argument, but will disagree with your point of view, the BBC is ALWAYS right, and to sum up, they will make your views know to the producers of the programme / log book (so they can have a good laugh at what the BBC got away with again).

        Only complete gutting of the filth at the BBC will ever change it’s ways. No government will ever get rid of the BBC, it’s a convenient state mouthpiece.

    • 54
      Anonymous says:

      Of course this is bigger then MPs expenses.

      The dogma of global warming is one of the ideological pillars propping up the crumbling West. Show that to be a fraud, and people will rightly start asking questions about all the other smelly little PC orthodoxies we are meant to believe in.

    • 65
      Dobby says:

      There was an interesting (largely unscripted) exchange on a scientific prog. on R4 the other day. We don’t much challenge our doctors (who are scientists) so why do we listen to expert scientists then think we know better?

      • 85
        jgm2 says:

        First off we probably should challenge our doctors – specifically GPs a lot more. 20 or 30 years identifying and treating the same 10 or 15 illnesses of old age (Oooooh doctor, I’ve got this pain in my wrist…’ that present themselves day-in and day-out doesn’t do much for keeping ‘em on their toes when you present with the early stages of bowel cancer and they send you home with a prescription for paracetomol.

        But more importantly – to credit these global warming fuckers as scientists is a fucking disgrace. They’re fucking geographers. They’re absolutely delighted if they can draw a bar chart let alone do any modelling.

        They are to the scientific world what Maureen Lipman’s idiot nephew was to science ‘Oooooh – you’ve got an -ology. You get an -ology you’re a scientist’

      • 100
        Mr Ned says:

        “o why do we listen to expert scientists then think we know better?”

        This is not about listening to scientists and then thinking we know better. As most people who did any science at school may remember, there is a specific method to conducting science, and for any scientific theory to be valid, it MUST conform to certain steps. Central to these steps are the need to have all the data and method available for anyone else to investigate and so that there is reproducibility. There needs to be proper, independent peer-review and everything should be open and above board.

        We now know that climate scientists from CRU and NASA GISS and elsewhere did NOT follow normal, scientific procedure. Data has been hidden, corrupted, invented and deleted, the peer-review process has been corrupted and controlled via self-selection of reviewing peers, limiting the review to fellow “believers of the AGW faith” and scientific publications and editors were bullied and threatened.

        This is NOT science, this is propaganda.

        So we are not listening to scientists and thinking we know better at all. We have been duped by con artists and advocates posing as scientists and we resent this.

        Decades of data and science is now suspect and in serious doubt.

    • 101
      Moley says:

      Don’t complain.

      Stop paying, or do both.

      Making a small sacrifice for one’s principles is a very satisfying experience.
      The BBC cannot force you to pay, they have no right of entry, and you are entitled to remain silent if asked questions by one of their “Inspectors”.

      I dson’t pay, and I won’t pay. I’ve had enough.

      • 155

        Better than that. Ask them to stop transmitting BBC into your house. You haven’t requested it an have no contract with them to supply it. Show me the contact I signed with the BBC to supply anything and I’ll pay. No contract, no deal.

        It’s the LAW

    • 346
      michael fish says:

      Ricky dont stop the ranting…if the north pole ice cap melted tomorrow. the sea level would not rise an inch.

  9. 15
    David"Cast Iron Guarantee"Cameron says:

    Ah well it is PMQ’s today and I’m game for a laugh

  10. 16
    Anonymous says:

    Are you sure he’s a ‘warmist’? Doesn’t have the obligatory beard; open toed sandals; dandruff and wank stained trousers usually associated with the breed. I always wondered where all the CND type failed hippies went – they became ‘environmental scientists’. Surprised they had the brains to invent this cash cow though – I suspect that the Al Bore types have held onto most of the cash.

  11. 17
    David"Cast Iron Guarantee"Cameron says:

    Here is todays gag

    So this yank twat gets into my black cab the other night. He hadn’t been around London much, so I took him a good route round to show him a few sights.

    “What’s that?” he asked.
    “That’s Tower Bridge,” I said. “Took 10 years to build.”
    “Pathetic, we Americans would have built it in a year.”

    I said nothing and drove on.

    “What’s that?”
    “That’s St Paul’s Cathedral, mate.”
    “How long did that take?”
    “That took 15 glorious years.”
    “15 years! We’d have done it in 8 months.”

    Started to get a bit pissed off at this cheeky yank Hunt, but I needed the fare.

    “What about that?”
    “That’s the Tower of London, mate.”
    “How long?”
    “20 years”
    “HA! Useless Brits. We’d have built it in 6 months!”

    I’d had enough. I drove him, the long way, to Buckingham Palace.

    “And what’s this then?” he asked.

    “Dunno mate. Wasn’t there yesterday.”

    • 86
      jgm2 says:

      Very good.

      I thought you were going to do the one about the fire engine.

    • 105
      slim says:

      If you want to be a comedian, why don’t you join the fucking Labour Party, you twat?

      • 119
        Sir William Wanker says:

        if, on the other hand,you want to seee humourless twats you came to the right place

        • 161
          slim says:

          Too right mate, that ‘joke’ was utter crap.

          BTW, this site is a political one , not a training ground for David Brent style frustrated performers.

          Now do one.

          • Dave "Cast Iron Guarantee" Cameron says:

            I intend to make a start at todays Prime Minister’s Question Time by bringing the fun back into politics.
            Do please watch the pilot edition of “I’m a politician get me out of here” coming soon on TV
            I do agree that the Conservative Party must do better to compete with the jokes told by the Labour Party and a Quango will be established to do just that.

  12. 18
    QUEENS UNIVERSITY BELFAST have discovered says:

    That Tree rings is better than two rings, To be sure to be sure !

  13. 20

    There is a pattern developing here………

    The British taxpayer shells out for skewed reports (the dodgy dossier in the run up to the Iraq war and now this CRU nonsense)…….

    ……..and then on the strength of British tax payer funded fiction, the rest of the world sets off on eye wateringly expensive and badly planned missions.

  14. 21
    Peter Whale says:

    Natural CO2 aprox. 770 gigatons per year human CO2 apox 26 gigatons per year and its our CO2 that fucks up the climate. But if you tax it and give the money to the porkies thats the cure. Thank god for politicians.

    • 36
      caesars wife says:

      half right , but of the supposed 770 gig tonnes produced by nature , your omitting how much is converted to oxygen , you know the gas that photosynthetic plants produce for all respiring to live from . the argument is about what is in the natural cycle and what is extra and where that extra is goining .

      also where the extra heat is going (you do create heat when you burn stuff)

      taxing it is all wrong if stopping it is imperative

      • 43
        UGG THE CAVE DWELLER says:

        There is probarbly some truth in there somewhere ! If we are producing more than the planet can cope with then surely we should focus on stopping the destruction of the rain forrests !

        • 120
          Road_Hog says:

          Yes but stopping the destruction of the rain forests only reduces pollution, it does nothing to raise revenue through green taxes.

          Some people just don’t get it.

    • 42
      Mr Plum says:

      Could we not fine countries with polluting volcanos

      • 46
        FIREMAN SAM says:

        We Could pour water on them untill they go out !

        • 185
          Sukyspook says:

          “We Could pour water on them untill they go out !” – and ‘they’ would, wouldn’t they, if ‘they’ thought they could make a few bucks!!

          That scenario is about as far-fetched, not to mention arrogant, as that stupid but entertaining film ‘Sunshine’ when man thought he could save Earth by ‘re-starting the sun’…..I’m sure that was next on Al Gore’s list had he not been held up by an inconvenient exposure of his lie$…

      • 49
        caesars wife says:

        Again an erruption like piinatabo , puts man made pollution in perspective , but shouldnt forget that some think one of cooling effects observed was due to SO2 and dust being put into stratosphere (sort of solar shield)

      • 57
        caesars wife says:

        on a side note were a bit screwed if vulcanologists have been manipulating volcanos outputs (2.5 tonnes a second of CO2 globally )

        • 241
          Phil O'Pastree says:

          Then let all the poly lecturers, environmental journalists, heartfelt dogooder politicians and the overwhelming majority of scientific opinion do the Earth a favour by jumping into a volcano.

  15. 23
    UGG THE CAVE DWELLER says:

    Just because they found a hole in the ozone layer doesn’t mean it hasn’t been there for thousands of years ! think of all the CO2 that volcanos used to spew out back in my day !

  16. 28
    resurgemus says:

    Sarkozy says France will impose controls on City of London

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6939895.ece

    • 39
      UGG THE CAVE DWELLER says:

      HA HA fucking HA ! Now are you still glad you signed the BizBum treaty without reading it McBust ? Things will only get worse !

      • 127
        peasant fucker says:

        “Terry Smith, a prominent banker, said that the threat of increased regulation was already threatening the City’s future.

        “I’ve never seen so much work going on by companies, individuals and teams of people to evaluate relocation out of the UK,” he said. ”

        Thanks Gordon you fucking meathead.

        There’s nothing left now but to go back to the land Moaist style, and fucking starve.

      • 199
        Sukyspook says:

        “HA HA fucking HA ! Now are you still glad you signed the BizBum treaty without reading it McBust ? Things will only get worse !”

        Methinks Brown knew EXACTLY what he was signing and he couldn’t wait – it’ll be in his job description as it’s part of the agenda. I bet there’s a fat bonus for him sitting in a Swiss bank account – allegedly, of course.

    • 47
      Anonymous says:

      Controls on the City of London’s activities?
      What a pity.

      • 93
        Gordon ( SoldGoldAtThe ) BottomBrown says:

        Have I made ANOTHER disastrous decision ??

        I think it’s only the second bad decision I’ve made since 1997.

        The first one was going into politics. Perhaps I should have been a missionary.

    • 68
      Mr Ned says:

      Yet another argument in favour of voting UKIP!

      • 203
        Dobby says:

        When can I come and wave goodbye to all those lovely banker boys who will no doubt be decamping (er?) from the square mile?

    • 207
      Susie says:

      And Sarko really thinks his Commissioner will get all those tough NY bankers and traders learning to speak French fluently so they understand what deals are going down on the Paris bourse. French will replace English as the international business language?

      I don’t think so.

      • 247
        Phil O'Pastree says:

        Simply because your feeble mind does not understand it does not make it a mess.

      • 260
        13eastie: (155 Days: "Good-bye, Gordon"!) says:

        No, it’s just spite and envy.
        Spite and envy from Gordon.
        Spite and envy from the French.

        Like it or not, the City contributes 25% of total tax revenues.

        Gordon has not yet noticed, but there is a rather big hole in our budget, and we’re going to need people and corporations to pay taxes. A great deal.

        The NY bankers, like our own hedge funds, would find themselves quite at ease in Switzerland where everything is clean and crime-free, and everyone speaks far better English than you will encounter on talking the average Londoner.

        Switzerland is outside the EU, less regulated and less taxed.

        It’s not actually funny watching Gordon destroy Britain.

      • 261
        13eastie: (155 Days: "Good-bye, Gordon"!) says:

        MB can only talk shit.

  17. 33
    bergen says:

    I trust “investigation” does not mean one of his colleagues doing “a Hutton.”I’m not holding my breath,although they may have to scapegoat Jones to hang on to their funding.

  18. 40

    I guess the wankers were lining themselves up for the credit as the earth cools (naturally)

    read this

    http://www.bopsecrets.org/PH/hippies.htm

  19. 48
    Sir William Waad says:

    Tree ring data are a very good way of dating pieces of wood and, therefore, human habitation. The information is essentially ‘digital’, forming a sequence of good, bad and average years’ growth, so that the ‘signal’ can be separated from the ‘noise’ of factors influencing the precise annual growth of an individual tree.

    Tree ring data are a poor way of estimating past average temperatures, because tree growth away from the tropics is usually affected only by summer temperatures rather than average ones, but is also affected by many other factors, including rainfall, the growth of nearby trees, the number of beneficial or harmful insects and other animals, soil fertility, casual events such as storms, fires and floods etc. etc. None of these factors is linear in its effects and they interact with each other. They do not ‘average out’ because they can affect large numbers of trees at the same time. Anybody who imagines they can extract the effect of average temperatures from these many other effects is fantasising. You might say that one cannot see the wood for the trees.

    There are other proxies available for estimating past average temperatures, but they tend not to give the results that scientists want. The famous ‘hockey stick’ graph relied for its upturn mainly on a handful of (carefully selected) tree-ring measurements.

    • 71
      Mr Ned says:

      It was only 10 trees, one of which skewed the entire set.

    • 90
      Anonymous Misogynist says:

      Someone said,
      “Improving the signal to noise ratio is only important when it’s your signal.”

    • 118
      Another Engineer says:

      Exactly. Good post.

      The idea was that they selected trees growing at the limit of their range – eg pine trees near the top of mountains in the US, trees on the edge of the tundra etc – to try and eliminate these effects, but there really isn’t any proof that this works. Especially since they have problems matching current temperature trends (measured) with current growth rings. Hence the “hiding the decline” quote, which I think was about recent tree ring measurements showing a decrease in temperature when in fact it is measured to be going up.

      I don’t have a problem with CO2 increasing temperature (by some degree), but the historic data is crucial in order to determine whether current change really is that different from the past. The end of the ice age occured over a shockingly short period of time (a few decades at the very most), and it didn’t wipe out life on earth. The previous interglacial was about 5C warmer than present according to various other proxies (ice cores, pollen, insects etc etc).

      Stop trashing ecosystems – yes. Otherwise any climate change (natural or ‘unnatural’) will cause problems. Nobody wants to live in a sh*th0le.

      Politicised science and ‘end of the world’ doomsayers – no thanks.

      • 212
        Susie says:

        +++Applause+++

      • 258
        Sir William Waad says:

        Yes. The famous bristlecone pines grow in places that are not only cold but have unusually irregular rainfall, so their growth is limited by that factor as much as, or more than, by temperature.

        By the way, I forgot to mention carbon dioxide. This makes green plants grow faster. It is a form of airborne fertiliser and is also essential to human life – you would die if you had no CO2 in your body.

  20. 61
    Anonymous says:

    Faced with a wonderful excuse to tax and control, especially control, does anyone believe that this collection of failed marxists, communists, trotskyists, etc. would ignore the global warming scam? All they’ve done is to change their flag from red to green. Far more fashionable.

  21. 66
    GWAE says:

    ALL THE PRESIDENT’S CLIMATEGATE DENIERS

    http://patriotpost.us/opinion/michelle-malkin/2009/12/02/all-the-presidents-climategate-deniers/

    “The science is settled,” we’ve been told for decades by zealous proponents of manmade global warming hysteria. Thanks to an earth-shaking hacking scandal across the pond, we now have mountains of documents from the world’s leading global warming advocacy center that show the science is about as settled as a southeast Asian tsunami.

    You won’t be surprised by the Obama administration’s response to Climategate.

    With pursed lips and closed eyes and ears, the White House is clinging to the old eco-mantra: The science is settled.

    Never mind all the devastating new information about data manipulation, intimidation and cult-like coverups to “hide the decline” in global temperatures over the last half-century, they say. The science is settled…………………………………..

    IN ANY CASE, LAST YEAR, MORE THAN 31,000 SCIENTISTS — INCLUDING 9,021 PH.D.S — SIGNED A PETITION SPONSORED BY THE OREGON INSTITUTE OF SCIENCE AND MEDICINE REJECTING CLAIMS OF HUMAN-CAUSED GLOBAL WARMING.

    BUT HEY, WHO’S COUNTING? THE SCIENCE IS SETTLED.

  22. 67
    Two Jags Two Slags PRESCOTT says:

    Collecting data from tree’s
    What the fuck do they know ?
    They must be fucking Barking !

  23. 69
    VMeldrew says:

    According to today’s “Telegraph” story, Phil Jones is standing “aside” as director of the climate fudge factory, but remains “acting”. Sounds even more cynical than a Mandelsonian resignation.

  24. 73
    anon anon anon....... says:

    Daily Express Photo line

    “CLIMATE CHANGE: Many experts claim man-made global warming is melting see ice “

    • 111
      anon anon anon....... says:

      see ( sic)

      • 167
        X-Factor Cowell in hair removal fake pictures exclusive! says:

        It’s the Daily Express
        Along with the Daily Mail one of the two foremost scientific journals of our time

        If you want to know if cheese is giving you cancer or helping fight cancer (probably at the same time according to thedir hacks) then you go here

        Never has science been so well explained to window lickers
        the science of house prices, filthy immigrants and Dianas murder particularly

  25. 77
    David Davis says:

    THIS IS WHY DAVID DAVIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE TORY LEADER

    Why this ferocious desire to impose hair-shirt policies?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/david-davis-why-this-ferocious-desire-to-impose-hairshirt-policies-1832213.html

  26. 78
    Anonymous says:

    “Phil Jones is standing down while the university investigation reviews the Climategate emails”

    How can the pretend university of East Anglia be trusted to undertake this investigation? This crap was going on right in front of their eyes. They must have known. The whole place should be shut down as a total disgrace.

    BBC spin of the day (heard this morning) – the lies were only small ones, so everythings ok. Anyone would think these BBC commies liked getting freebie holidays to exotic places to tell lies. Just like cannel 4 news.

    • 106
      Mr Ned says:

      They love flying all over the world to tell us how bad the AGW is so that they can tell us not to fly!

  27. 79
  28. 81
    Two Jags Two Slags PRESCOTT says:

    Most countries of the world produce Charcoal for BBQ’s why not ban it and make everybody use gas ?After all a South American peasant looks at a load of trees as money and food and with a very short life expectancy would you give a fuck about global warming ?

    • 88
      resurgemus says:

      why not cull all left wing greenies instead ?

      1. they are worried most about the problem
      2. it would be a massive saving on carbon foot print
      3. it would help reduce the pressure on governement spending
      4. it would be a lot quieter

      Now’s the time for Porritt to lead by example and book a one way bicycle trip to Switzerland.

    • 121
      Moley says:

      What about all those particulates from the smoke?

      What about the health risk to the poor sod breathing in the smoke and burning his hands turning over the blackened steaks and sausages?

      Burnt meat is thought to be highly carcinogenic.

      Do burger bars have particulate filters on their extraction units?

      Didn’t think so.

      • 139
        resurgemus says:

        the governemnt would claim they had foot and mouth disease, then they can burn them any old way they want.

  29. 99
    Bof says:

    Moral Maze tonite -where’s Melanie ??
    “Can science ever be truly morally neutral? The leaking of e-mails from the University of East Anglia Climate Research Unit has raised the issue of where should we draw the line between science and campaigning? In a complex world of competing interests, it’s vital that we have an independent and rational method to judge and inform policies. But is it naive to expect scientists to put their personal views aside when dealing with such an important issue? Do we rely too much on scientific evidence to shape policy and is it driving out political and moral debate in society?”

  30. 109
    CuttingEdge says:

    No one is denying that global warming is a fact. As is global cooling. Both have been occurring since the the planet was formed.

    CO2 as a cause rather than a by-product though? Dream on. Just a convenient excuse to tax the masses, rich and poor alike. £38 billion in tax revenue raised annually in this country alone from fuel duty justified as an anti-AGW tax? Based on data provided by (now) thoroughly discredited IPCC “experts”? Add all the other “green taxes” and do some sums.

    Here’s an “inconvenient truth”: Between 1810 and 2009 the atmosphere’s CO2 content rose from 200 to 400 parts per million. However, during the first 50 years of this cycle it rose by 80ppm (40% of the total increase). Any guesses as to what influence this had on global temperatures? Err…basically fuck all. Listening to these so-called scientists trying to invent reasons for this unavoidable anomaly is no different from creationists extolling why the world is only 6000 years old and Darwin was a loon.

    Anthropologic (Man-Made) GW is a great earner, both for governments and those employed to “prove” its existence. Its huge business if you are in the loop. And woe betide you if you are a qualified scientist trying to get a research grant to disprove the “theory” – you will find yourself penniless and laughed at by this quasi-religious movement. Meanwhile carbon offset traders (read: snake-oil salesmen) like that twat Al Gore get fantastically rich out of the masses’ collective stupidity.

    One of the best summings up of the current expose can be found here: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/11/24/the_fix_is_in_99280.html

    Never thought I would say it, but God bless the average American, because the way this is panning out, it will be them who drive the final nail into the the AGW coffin, while our nation of “believers” carry on paying for snake-oil until that coffin is well and truly buried 6 feet under…err…along with all that CO2 Ed Milliband wants to pump into the earth.

  31. 114
    anon says:

    Phil Jones must be prosecuted & imprisoned for fraud. CRU must have its public funding removed.

    These global cooling deniers have merely changed their red flag for a green one, though the agenda & insane policies are the same.

  32. 117
    anon anon anon....... says:

    Global Warming must be happening.
    I’ve seen many clips of ice shelves falling into the sea but never one of an ice shelf forming. QED

  33. 129
    resurgemus says:

    Jonah heads for another success. RBS helps fund death of Cadburys

    http://blogs.birminghampost.net/business/2009/11/why-did-we-bother-to-save-rbs.html

    Watch the jobs go in Midlands marginals in run up to election !

    Mandy says he can do nothing !

  34. 130
    Alcobollocks Anonymous says:

    I’m a creepy, deranged jock like S’pedo Twat and Master Meatbeater, and I’m a ‘Gordon is Bonkers Denier.’

  35. 132
    Gordon and Obama are Hypocrites says:

    Isn’t flying all those troops to and from Afghanistan, then transporting them around in Choppers and tanks while they shoot guns, fire missiles, drop bombs and burn poppy fields sort of bad for the environment?

    • 147
      Colonel Kilgore says:

      I love the smell of napalm in the morning.

    • 158
      Heir to Blair (without the hair) says:

      Good thing Dave is against this Aghanistan madness then

      • 196
        Mr Wong says:

        Dumping all that depleted Uranium and phosphorous on Iraq wasn’t exactly a good thing either.

        And why do they give China shit for their carbon emissions, when all of our manufacturing of things has been moved offshore to China?

        Can’t help thinking that Obama has just given the Taleban another 30,000 tagets for Christmas.

  36. 135
    DZ says:

    Just a point – I find it extremely offensive when big-heads liken something that they think is important to the slaughter of European Jewry in Eastern Europe. It is out of balance, obviously untrue, and just a gimmick based on organised horrible death. What’s the matter with these people? Mentally unbalanced? Can’t discuss events with normal volcabulary? Twisted in their thinking? Oh, I know, they forgot about Hiroshima and Nagasaki – they were only Japanese, so thats OK. Right?

    • 198
      Desperate Dan says:

      We’ve learnt that sort of wild exaggeration from the jewish community. If Ken Livingstone is rude to a jewish journalist or self-important jews don’t get the recognition they think they deserve, they go bananas and start accusing everyone of anti-semitism and demanding drachonian laws just for them.

      • 272
        Sir William Waad says:

        Goodness knows I’ve met some Jews who were complete shits, but I can’t imagine Red Ken would insult anyone else on the grounds of their ethnicity. He wouldn’t be bothered if somebody were Portuguese, Arab, Xhosa or a Trobriand Islander. There’s just a kind of mental virus that makes normally resonable people, and Ken Livingstone, flip when they think about Jews.

        • 310
          Later Ron says:

          As I understood it Ken wasn’t commenting on the bloke’s jewishness. He was commenting on his behaviour.

  37. 137
    Right Bastard says:

    The climate has been in a state of continuous change ever since the earth came into existence. Whether man-made or not there’s not a cat’s chance in hell of controlling it.

    And after spending trillions and bankrupting every nation on earth the climate continues to change, as it has always done, will the successors of these bent scientists then argue that it was all down to natural forces anyway?

    When will common sense prevail and when will these conniving fuckers ever be brought to book?

  38. 143
    The Censoring of Scientific Data far-right bloggers didn't give a shit about says:

    • 173
      jgm2 says:

      That all sounds remarkably like the way the UK treasury is run. And the ONS. In fact the entire UK government of all the jackasses.

      • 206
        Darling blames the EU but always wanted them to take the blame for regulating the city says:

        PFI and PPP off balance sheet accounting is perfectly acceptable
        as was Enrons and all the rest till the tide went out

        the tide is still going out and if the IMF ever look too closely at UK PLCs real debt crisis then those UK treasury bonds will be worth less than an RBS share

        pity that Cameron is still so keen on these PFI and PPP scams though

        • 306
          solopolis says:

          Bring in GAAP for government reporting of the finances and everyone will see just how deep this shitpit is.

          Lie, damn lies and statistics.

  39. 144
    BillyBob poops on ZaNuLab says:

    Had 5Live on late last night and that pseudo intellectual Richard Bacon was on spouting his usual rubbish in deep and thought provoking journalism as is his way…..

    Anyway, he was as happy as a dog with two tails, telling us about his invitation to a 10 Downing Street Party this coming Friday…….odious idiot and another loser supporting the wrong party !

  40. 148
    anon anon anon....... says:

    There’s definitely something happening with Global Warming…….Whenever I read about it, it makes my blood boil.

    Remember your manners at the dinner table…Religion, Politics and now MMGW

    • 180
      On what is now a religious topic says:

      True, I got into a discussion with the Master of my old college and another guest sitting next to him on the GW question. Not a wise thing to do as the conversation got lively. I’ve spent 10 years studing the matter and the guest had spent 10 mins. I thought there were doubts, the guest and the Master did not.

      Now we have explicit evidence of deliberate maipulation of data to give the ‘desired’ result. Shame on all these educational institutions for witholding data paid for by the Taxpayer.

    • 213
      Right Bastard says:

      This could end up like the American civil war whereby families and friends were split into Union and Confederate camps but this time on a worldwide scale.

      Global carnage wrought by the battle between the Warmists and the Deniers.

  41. 151
    the organ grinder speaks out says:

    Douglas Carswell: How the facts on global warming have changedThe Tory blogger on what caused his climate change epiphany – after two decades of believing that humans were to blame

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2009/nov/30/douglas-carswell-climate-change

    Are you saying that this is a conspiracy?

    Carswell: No

    Me: Do you have a sense in the Conservative party that there is now a shifting of views on this issue? After, say, a few years in power, will this drift away as a priority issue?

    Carswell: My view in the party is overwhelmingly the minority view. I couldn’t pretend otherwise. The consensus in the party is very different to where I am, but my duty is to speak up for the truth as I see it. All the people on the other side are arguing from the best of intentions. They have the right motives. People want to do things to ensure we don’t continue to damage the environment, but it’s how we do that and what our priorities are that I think we need to debate.

  42. 152
    Desperate Dan says:

    UK Politicians are crooks. UK Bankers are crooks. UK Judges are crooks. UK Accountants are crooks. BBC journalists are crooks. UK charities are crooks. Quangocrats are crooks. The pimps and ‘agents’ who infest British life are monumental crooks. Nobody will be surprised to find that scientists and academics are crooks. And if any of them whinge “Its not all of us” then they’re wrong. They either did it or they stood by without complaint and let the crooks get on with it. I wonder if Jones has invested in the crooked carbon offset trade.

  43. 156
    EC1 PhD says:

    Science is about how we acquire knowledge and while academics disagree about the theory of how we acquire knowledge (epistemology), what academics cannot do is pervert the process of knowledge acquistion. So the guilty should be banned from publishing academic articles, addressing academic conferences and should have their library cards cut up. Oh, and they should be fucking well hung. Bastards give us a bad name.

  44. 162
    Bohemian Rhapsody says:

    Galileo invented the thermometer in 1593. So we have only been able to record atmosphere temperatures for the last 416 years. Which is a tad insignificant for something that is 4.54 billion years old.

    • 251
      SarahN says:

      Yes, and the warmists love those “since records began” statistics. “It was the hottest third week in August since records began” (all of 200 years ago) which proves that global warming is happening – not.

  45. 164

    Climate change denial isn’t yet as horrendous as Holocust denial, but it shares many of the same characteristics- the lack of any real evidence for your beliefs; the desparate belief that one sentence that seems to corroborate your fantasies is true but the reams of data that show you’re wrong are false; the repetition of long since disproved arguments; the assertion that all those inconvenient facts that prove you wrong are somehow the creation of a conspiracy rather than what they really are- reality. Etc etc.

    There’s no need for a law against climate change denial, but anyone who practices it should be roundly, and deservedly, mocked.

    • 217
      It's all Balls says:

      There’s no need for a law against climate change denial, but anyone who practices it should be roundly, and deservedly, mocked.

      Your mind is open to the debate then?

      Isn’t the problem that when facts are suppressed by those who should know better doubts are introduced into the argument which may or may not have a factual basis?

      Those scientists whose livelyhood depends upon research funding have to be seen to be scrupulously even handed. The release of those emails demonstrates that not to be the case.

    • 283
      Tiger Woods family man says:

      come here you little arsehole and nicely putt my sand wedge round your mush

    • 290
      Mr Ned says:

      So you have not read the CRU data then Ian? You have not read the emails that implicitly demonstrate a complete violation of the scientific method at the heart of the man-made climate change hypothesis? The bullying and threats to journals? the incestuous perversion of the peer-review process and the shockingly bad condition of the data and the admitted manipulation and invention of the data?

      There was the obstruction of investigation and the possibly illegal conspiracy to obstruct FOI requests!

      There was a peer-review process as stringent as the Vatican asking monks if Jesus was the son of God!

      There was rigged and invented data!

      And you dare call this science?

      This “science” created conclusions that have been the basis and assumptions in hundreds of other papers. ALL of these are now suspect!

      CRU was NOT conducting any science. It was involved in propaganda!

    • 325
      I Robot says:

      Compare your logic to what farmers painted on their muck-spreaders during the foot-and-mouth pyres of 2001, namely “government think tank”. Spot the difference.

    • 353
      Don Wood says:

      Alien Abdustion Denialm is a terrible crime

  46. 174
    Status Quo says:

    The political debate on whether climate change is caused by man or not does not exist in the UK. All three party leaders are firmly convinced that it is caused by man, so no debate.

    • 188
      It's all Balls says:

      Add to that the EU.

      The two major areas which are going to cost each and every taxpayer £’000′s are Climate Change and the burgeoning undemocratic supersate called the EU.

      And what choice do we have at the polls?

      Bugger all (UKIP are just a bunch of chancers with no policies bar one)

  47. 181
    Dave Griffiths says:

    “Why do they feel so threatened by external review of their data?”

    Because he’s a time wasting nutter?

    “About the author [Douglas Keenan]: I used to do mathematical research and financial trading on Wall Street and in the City of London; I now study independently. ”

    Riiiight… who wants to make loads of dosh in the city when you can “study independently” instead.

    • 298
      Mr Ned says:

      “Because he’s a time wasting nutter?” Who nonetheless has blown MASSIVE holes in the abomination emanating from the CRU and has shown the CRU and their incestuous relationships within “climate science” are merely perpertraitors of a massive fraud!

      I understand that a lot of people’s entire world-view is having to change as they realise how extreme this perversion of science has been, and that the basis upon which they place their scientific beliefs has been blown away and that can be very painful emotionally to deal with, but facts are facts.

      The CRU emails and data do show a clear intention to mislead and to hide, what we now know to be, dodgy data and present a false, unverifiable reality for personal and political gain.

      Yes McIntyre was wasting time that these people where putting to use in perpetuating a fraud!

  48. 186
    trendy comedian type says:

    Can I just say here that Marcus Brigstock is a twat.
    Thank you.

  49. 189
    Gordon Brown says:

    How about this one for starters David Cameron

    I walked up to the cheese counter in Asda last week.

    I interrupted him and he had to start again.

    BOOM BOOM

  50. 192
    The IMF is coming says:

    O/T

    BBC Take

    ‘REJOICE, REJOICE!!
    After hours of hard ball negotiations with Nuclear Superpower Iran, Hilary Clinton’s favourite statesman, Davis Milliband has succesfully persuaded the Iranian authorities to release the 5 British Sailors detained by Iran. The Iranians were happy to comply with Mr Milliband’s request after they were charmed by his trafffic stopping authority and grasp of world realpolitik. He is already being tipped as next years Statesman of the year, an award of course awarded to Gordon Brown this year.

    Reality:

    5 men sailed off course into Iranian waters detained and then released by the authorities a week later after the Iranians had milked it.
    Meantime a few hundred miles to the south another debt crisis is building

    • 224
      The IMF is coming says:

      Brainwashed – really not interested in your idiotic ideals

      Unelected, non qualified Pm is only interested in keeping himself in a job he has coveted for 30 years. He can’t do it, he is the worst PM ever.Printing money to pay current bills and to inflate away debt.
      - now F*ck off back to http://www.guardian.co.uk/

      • 240
        The IMF is coming says:

        Worst PM ever.

      • 257
        The IMF is coming says:

        Worst PM ever
        Worst government ever
        Worst rescession ever
        Worst case of ideological brainwashing ever

        Think about, he really is bad isn’t he?
        Just for once admit what you really feel. The PM is the worst ever, they’ve screwed the economy in the pursuit of another term in office.

        Forget all the bullshit, he is just doing whatever it takes to keep in power. You have fallen for it.

        Still keep it up, we want him as PM come the election, because the country hates him, worst PM ever

      • 295
        jgm2 says:

        Events unprecedented? No. They are not unprecedented. We had a mini version of a housing boom and bust and muppet voters borrowing screeds of cash on the back of their appreciating asset back in the late 1980s/early 1990s.

        It’s what prompted the Maximum Imbecile and his government of all the jackasses to put this in their 1997 manifesto…

        http://www.bbc.co.uk/election97/background/parties/manlab/8labmanhertrans.html

        We will reject the boom and bust policies which caused the collapse of the housing market.

        And then he went and engineered the biggest housing and credit boom in UK history. And consequently, but predictably, the biggest bust in UK history.

        The man is an incompetent jackass.

      • 296
        The IMF is coming says:

        say again

        Worst PM ever
        Worst government ever
        Worst rescession ever
        Worst case of ideological brainwashing ever

        Think about, he really is bad isn’t he?
        Just for once admit what you really feel. The PM is the worst ever, they’ve screwed the economy in the pursuit of another term in office.

        Forget all the bullshit, he is just doing whatever it takes to keep in power. You have fallen for it.

        Still keep it up, we want him as PM come the election, because the country hates him, worst PM ever

      • 308
        resurgemus says:

        Brown caused the crisis

        Labour = incompetence

      • 312
        1381 says:

        Worst PM ever.
        Worst leader of the opposition ever.
        If one can call cast iron ‘a leader’?

      • 315
        jgm2 says:

        No MB. You are wrong. Labour is desperate to kid on that the UK’s bust is some complex series of events that were completely unforeseeable. But they’re not. They are as simple as a massive asset bubble and folk borrowing ever more insane amounts of magic money. And when they could no longer borrow any more money the whole thing collapsed.

        It really is that simple.

        The reason HBOS and RBS etc couldn’t roll their loans over was because finally the penny dropped and nobody believed that the mortgage assets they had were worth a candle. Because the ‘assets’ were underpinned by nothing except the insanely optimistic values that they’d been driven up to in the housing asset boom.

        It is/was and remains a massive housing bubble and the rest of the shit is just flak to distract from the fact that he made exactly the same mistakes as the Tories in 1988-1992 of confusing house price rises for real prosperity.

        Which is why the whole focus is on underpinning the insane over-valuations by slashing interests rates (to make the mortgage affordable) .

        All the rest of the Brownian bullshit is just obfuscation.

        Housing asset bubble. Same as Ireland. Same as Spain. Same as the US.

        There is no ‘started in America’. Its started right here.

    • 314
      Anthony B Liar's 40 Pieces of Silver says:

      It all started in the London office of AIG.

  51. 195
    anon anon anon....... says:

    School wind turbine collapses and crushes workmen’s van The £28,000 renewable energy source was being assembled by Lincolnshire-based firm Gladwood BCS. It was supposed to have been the crowning glory for the school’s eco-drive which earlier this week was recognised with a Green Flag education award

    Teacher “What is the carbon footprint required to produce a new van? Let alone the Turbine blades?” Discuss

  52. 197
    Is it me or is is hot in here? says:

    If the CRU is funded by the tax payer, what right do they have to destroy the raw data ? Is it even thiers to destroy ?

  53. 200
    It's all Balls says:

    Mars is apparently getting warmer – must be the exhaust fumes from the two Mars exploration Rovers, Spirit and Opportunity

  54. 210
    Cast Iron Crock says:

    Question. As Dave is Pro the Aghanistan war and current thinking is that it will take at least a decade to sort out. Will he pull our troops out in 18 months along with the Yanks or will he stick to his word, his cast iron word and leave them there until the job is done?

    Answer. Break cast iron guarantee and withdraw in 18 months time.

  55. 211
    this one will run and.. fuck it's gone! says:

    why do all the news channels sound so disappointed the yachtsmen are free?

  56. 220
    anon anon anon....... says:

    The day after Climategate broke I asked my MP
    ” WHAT STEPS DID YOU TAKE TO INFORM YOURSELF ON MAN-MADE GLOBAL WARMING?”

    result……zilch

    Try it.

  57. 221
    Anon says:

    trying to justify your existence = over populated world

  58. 223
    anon anon anon....... says:

    Could do with some lead, or better still granite in my pencil

  59. 225
    Sarkozy says:

    It’s déjà vu all over again as Sarkozy takes aim at City of London

    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article6939892.ece

    Yesterday Mr Sarkozy said that the nomination of a French commissioner in charge of EU markets would help continental economic ideals to prevail over the discredited Anglo-Saxon model.

    • 230
      Jonty Pryor says:

      Twat

    • 233
      City Banker says:

      His comments met with alarm and dismay in the City. One senior banker said: “Surrendering control of the City of London to the French in return for some nonentity getting a non-job [Baroness Ashton of Upholland’s appointment as EU foreign affairs chief] is one of the biggest fiascos of British diplomacy since Suez. The fact that Sarkozy is now being gleeful makes it worse. The Prime Minister must explain how he will protect the City from EU meddling or lose what remaining credibility he has in the City.”

      http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article6939892.ece

      • 265
        resurgemus says:

        so how come RBS can find money to lend to overseas multinationals for the break up of Cadbury (the social consequences of which will be dumped on the UK taxpayer ) but will still have £27 billion of funding they have not passed through to UK SMEs ?

        UK government = incompetence

        Mandelson = Nero

      • 268
        jgm2 says:

        Prior to the Maximum Imbecile we had a functioning economy that wasn’t perched on a pyramid of debt. We only need rid of the Maximum Imbecile. And to pay off the debt.

        EU not required.

      • 269
        resurgemus says:

        Labour = funding the spivs

      • 280
        resurgemus says:

        “If the EU brings better regulation to the financial sector”

        so finally an acceptance the government have totally screwed up financial regulation over the last 12 years.

        now apply the same measure to every other area government – schools, health, economy , defence – it’s the same picture.

    • 237
      Hale and Hearty says:

      Since when has Alan Greenspan been an Anglo-Saxon?

  60. 227
    Climategate says:

    The predictable behaviour of the CRU and UEA which was exposed and the predictable response by the mainstream media in the little coverage says an awful lot.
    ‘Russia Today’ is covering this story and the blogger view as well.
    Correct me if I am wrong but didn’t the Russians used too listen to the BBC for real news.
    How times change.

  61. 234
    Climategate Ongoing At www.wattsupwiththat.com says:

    Guido: It’s Worse Than You Think!

    Mike Hulme (of UEA) and Jerome Ravetz (originator of ‘Post-Normal Science’ doctrine) Getting into bed with the BBC (1996 Charter stated only ‘controversial’ topics need be given equal airtime. 2007 BBC Trust document ‘From Seesaw To Wagon Wheel’ stated Climate Change was ‘settled’) – ALL getting into bed to drive the Public’s perception:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8388485.stm

    “Mike Hulme and Jerome Ravetz”

    Title:

    “Show Your Working’: What ‘ClimateGate’ means”

    Excerpts:

    “How well does the public understand professional peer review, for example, or the role of a workshop, a seminar and a conference in science?”

    “A Citizen’s Panel on Climate Change (CPCC)?”

    Not read it in depth, it seems an essay on a post-IPCC world, appears to me like a lot of familiar woolly talk of getting the public to see it the scientists way, rather than backing the scientists out of the political PR sphere.

  62. 235
    The IMF is coming says:

    Brainwashed – really not interested in your idiotic ideals

    Unelected, non qualified Pm is only interested in keeping himself in a job he has coveted for 30 years. He can’t do it, he is the worst PM ever.Printing money to pay current bills and to inflate away debt.
    - now F*ck off back to http://www.guardian.co.uk/

  63. 238
  64. 243
    hang the criminal scum now says:

    the Warming scumerati

    bankers ‘doing Yahweh’s work’

    change you can believe in Barry ‘no more war” O’Fucker

    David Iamabitch and Nick Conmen wars for Israel nuke Iran Now!

  65. 252
    Muchy says:

    Wow! Check this site out http://eotp.wordpress.com/

    • 287
      Thats News says:

      If Co2 is a a problem, give everyone a tree to grow. Or is that too ‘green’ an idea? The problem is they do not want to spend money but raise money in ‘green’ taxes.

  66. 254
    Engineer says:

    Asbestos made excellent insulation material and pipework gaskets as well – and used in the right way, can be made safe enough (in fairness, the ways it was sometimes used in the past were not that safe).

    Lead paints were excellent compared to most modern equivalents.

  67. 273
    "Two Banjos" says:

    What drugs are you lot on?
    Have you never heard of chaotic theory?
    A fraction of a degree change in celsius is all that it takes to cause devastation to the planet
    I know the lardy dah Tories on this blog may scoff
    But At least Im trying to do something

    John “Two Banjos” Prescott (Yes its me again)
    Think of your children and your Grandchildren before spouting off such shit

    • 277
      jgm2 says:

      ‘Lardy dah?’

      Is that what David calls you?

    • 281
      13eastie: (155 Days: "Good-bye, Gordon"!) says:

      And especially your great, great, great grandchildren.

    • 301
      anon anon anon....... says:

      Banjos..take it you have a copy of Chaos by Gleick. What is the first word on page158. It’s 12.03 will give you 5 mins to get your copy from your bedside table

    • 303
      Engineer says:

      John – I think you’ve been bullshitted by a small cabal of ‘scientists’ who have carved themselves a gravy-train of public money, and are terrified of losing that gravy train if they tell you the real truth. They can’t really fully explain the climate and it’s changes, they’ve fiddled their computer models (the publication of the UEA one on the internet proves this beyond any doubt) so that the results from their models fit what they want them to fit, so the veracity of those models is in serious doubt. They have their research peer-reviewed only by their mates, not by the wider scientific community.

      The real truth is that we don’t really know exactly why the planet warms and cools, we don’t really know if man’s activities have affected it, and we don’t really know what the climate will do in the future.

      Research continues, but unless it happens in an honest and open way, it’s results will always be tainted and questionable.

  68. 289
    Engineer says:

    It’s taken quite a while to read this thread. Some considered and thoughtful posts, and some outright unthinking bigotry, among the usual humour.

    Climate science – how is it that some have become so fixed in their view that changes to the climate are going to be catastrophic to human life? Could it be more to do with political belief than hard scientific evidence?

    Is climate changing? Yes, of course it is; it always has changed one way or another, and it always will.

    Is it warming, cooling, or staying the same? Well, it seems that this question is not settled.

    If it is warming, is it down to the actions of mankind? Again, an argument not settled.

    What controls climate? The only honest answer is that we don’t fully understand, yet. We can build computer models that simulate it, but there is concern that some, at least, of these models contain ‘fiddle factors’ that make their results debateable at best, and virtually invalid at worst.

    What should we do? Scientifically, carry on researching, and publish in such a way that raw data and conclusions drawn by analysis can be openly assessed by all, not just by a small cabal. Politically, pause and consider, and only act in ways that can be honestly supported by proven data. Practically, carry on trying to develop less polluting and energy-intensive ways of living life, but don’t give up the real benefits that science and technology has brought to mankind without very good reason.

  69. 299
    "Two Banjos" says:

    Im going to the bar
    But one last thing, I know for a fact that Cameron has one of those Japanese toilets in his ever so modest North Kensington home.
    Like him it seems warm and cosy, makes nice noises and covers up the stink of shit that is the Tories
    I will be blogging ( should that be” bogging”? further on this subject)
    Green my arse
    John

  70. 307
    1381 says:

    I can’t see this having been posted on this thread.
    Details of the nearly £14,000,000 CRU takes from the USA.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/11/cru_files_betray_climate_alarm.html
    Makes them whores really.

  71. 311
    anon anon anon....... says:

    Banjos you need to return to Ruskin to learn about full stops. They’re at the end of every sentence.

  72. 316
    Heir to Blair and a few million says:

    poor Dave is getting pasted on inheritance because of little Zac Goldsmith
    policy U-turn coming in the not too distant future

    • 324
      Gordon Brown says:

      Too bloody right mate.

      I intend to quit and let Gordon Brown win the next general election which is why I was shit at todays PMQ’s

      And that is wait for it…………A CAST IRON GUARANTEE

  73. 318
    Groucho says:

    Manmade global warming is a tax raising scam, right?

    All it requires is the coordinated effort of almost every government for the first time in history, and the cooperation of all of the world’s leading scientific institutions such as the Royal Society and NASA. The vast majority of climate scientists are also in on the scam, apparently happy to jeopardise their reputations and careers in order to grab a bit of grant funding. And not one of them has blown the whistle.

    I think manmade global warming is more believeable, to be honest.

    • 328
      thick as thieves says:

      NOTHING TO HIDE NOTHING TO FEAR!
      THESE SCIENTIST C’UNTS WERE MAKING IT UP AS THEY WENT ALONG
      AND NOW THEY ARE TRYING TO HIDE THE EVIDENCE
      NOTHING TO HIDE NOTHING TO FEAR INNIT!
      YOU FUCKING DOPE GROUCHO!
      DOH!

      • 335
        Groucho says:

        Steady on mate, think of your blood pressure.

        I could accept that some researchers might be on the fiddle, you know say the right thing and get a grant to keep the department open a little longer, but almost all of them?
        It doesn’t make sense.

        I have worked in a university research dept in the past (nothing to do with GW) and getting these people to agree on ANYTHING is virtually impossible. Your typical academic is a pompous egotist for whom publication, academic standing and reputation is everything. Believe me if a credible scientist in this area came up with irrefutable proof that manmade GW wasn’t happening, there would be no shutting him up.

        As I said you might get the odd one who would cook the books in exchange for a bung but I have never met such a person and I find it impossible to believe that the vast majority of climate researchers are behaving in this way. With no whistleblowers. Its just not credible.

        • 351
          Budgie says:

          Don’t waste your time
          These thick bastards would always rather weave some incredible paranoid conspiracy than accept the truth

          Daves shit at PMQ’s ? It’s a conspiracy! Dave was shit on purpose to make sure Brown wasn’t removed
          Polls not looking good for Dave? It’s a conspiracy! with all the pollsters fixing them for Labour

          They are nuttier than squirrel shit around here and this is the Fox News/Turnip Taliban wing of the Tory Party where all those who find the Daily Mail a touch too intellectual gather

  74. 332
  75. 349
    bob says:

    ““I can’t see either … being in the next [IPCC] report. Kevin [Trenberth] and I will keep them out somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!””

    This is perfectly justified statement if the paper in question is rubbish and was only published due to lapse of editorial control. A lapse which eventually led to multiple editors resigning in protest. If anything the real scandal was how the paper got published in the first place.

    The last part is clearly a joke by the way, noone can “redefine” peer review.

  76. 350
    Richard Blogger says:

    “mathematician Douglas J. Keenan”

    Are you sure with that title “mathematician”? Have a look at his “papers” there’s very little mathematics in them. I am not even sure he could work out how to use the statistics button on my Casio calculator let alone do any meaningful statistical analysis.

    Some advice to you Guido, drop him, you’ll only look silly backing someone whose mathematics skills are little more than A levels.

    On the other hand, can you use your considerable investigative skills to find out who the CRU hackers are? I think you may find them very interesting, if you know what I mean…

  77. 352
    mw says:

    So Phil Jones stepped down as Director High Priest of the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit pending an investigation. Well, if his AGW projections don’t hold up, at least he knows that his legacy will live on with his groundbreaking New & Improved CRU Scientific Method. I was able to reverse engineered the East Anglia CRU Scientific Methodology from the procedures documented in the purloined e-mails and code. It is clear to me that they have built on the work of maverick chemist Theodore Hapner, who revolutionized thinking about the scientific method in 2006. Godspeed Phil Jones.


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