November 25th, 2009

Time to Defund CRU’s Global Cooling Deniers

Phil Jones CRU Climate Cooling Denier

The perversion of science that has been exposed by the release of the CRU emails has shocked even that high priest of the Greens, George Monbiot:

… there are some messages that require no spin to make them look bad. There appears to be evidence here of attempts to prevent scientific data from being released, and even to destroy material that was subject to a freedom of information request.

Worse still, some of the emails suggest efforts to prevent the publication of work by climate sceptics, or to keep it out of a report by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. I believe that the head of the unit, Phil Jones, should now resign. Some of the data discussed in the emails should be re-analysed.

What is clear is that the proponents of the man-made global warming hypothesis have not sought to test their theories in the normal scientific way, they have sought to first of all marginalise and defund researchers who put forward a different view.  They have hidden information, faked up data, used in their own words trickery, in an effort to hide the decline in global temperatures which is one of the inconvenient facts contradicting the predictions derived from their theories.  These are not new developments.

The so-called Medieval Warm Period (AD 800–1300), when polar ice melted to such a degree that the Vikings settled in Northern Greenland in areas now covered by ice, has been a huge problem for global cooling deniers – after all the Vikings didn’t drive north in 4×4 SUVs.  A massive disinformation effort has been put in to rubbishing what is a well evidenced historic fact.

The CRU is a taxpayer funded body which is now exposed as not fit for purpose, compromised by global warming advocates rather than staffed by truth pursuing scientists. It has funding largely from the British taxpayer and the EU. Until there is a clear out of the compromised personnel, not just CRU boss Phil Jones, funding should be halted. Taxpayers should be confident that their money is being used for scientific research, not to fund a cabal of global cooling deniers intent on creating a scientifically unfounded basis for a political project.

The left likes to think their prejudices are based on science rather than mere opinions derived from political goals.  The power of Marxist ideas from the nineteenth and twentieth centuries within the intelligensia was because of the internal logic that claimed it was “scientific socialism” based on immutable laws of society.  Twenty-first century anti-capitalism is trying the same trick, claiming an anti-capitalist mandate from climate science that just does not exist.  It is no coincidence that the collapse of the worldwide communist project and ideals in the early 1990s coincided with the rise of the global green movement.  Many of the enemies of capitalism have merely changed their flag from red to green.


  1. 1
    Attila the Hun says:

    Now you can sign a petition at No10.

    We the undersigned petition the Prime Minister to suspend the Climate Research Unit at the University of East Anglia from preparation of any Government Climate Statistics until the various allegations have been fully investigated by an independent body.

    • 9
      McGroom says:

      This government bends everything it touches for their own political ends.

      They have no scruples, shame, dignity or honour.

      New Labour have subjugated the police, judiciary, secret services and the civil service for their own political purposes.

      Now the scientific community will never be trusted as unbiassed purveyors or pure fact because they have been corrupted by serving this government.

      This is not just climate, this infects all government scientists – w now can’t trust any of them

      New Labour really are looking like something out of Soviet Eastern Europe


      • 24
        Throbber says:

        looking like??????

        • 132

          STOP PRESS

          BANKS WIN, a million customers lose their court cases

          EXPECT RIOTS

          • Anonymous says:

            or resigned indifference

          • Road_Hog says:

            These shysters have been up to these tricks for ages, it was only a matter of time before they were found out.

            Comment #3 sums it up about right.


          • McGroom says:

            What did I say earlier about subjugation of the judiciary by this government.

            Darling does not want banks liable for up to £3 billion in repayments

            New Labour = support big business and screw the public

          • Master Baiter says:

            McGroom loses, Master Baiter wins.


          • Sukyspook says:

            I don’t think there’ll be riots – YET – OH, as peeps can’t be arsed to switch off ‘I’m a Celeb’ or put down their Wii/PS3 handsets for long enough.

            However, if this latest decision stands – and then the banksters introduce charges for all cash machines, then I think some kind of revolution will be inevitable.

            I live in hope that with the ongoing exposure of the elite’s many ‘crimes and misdemeanours’ it won’t result in our having to fight man to man in the streets (or woman) but if it came down to that – I’M THERE.

          • barefootcontessa says:

            You call this lot left wing and anti-capitalist?!!!!!?!!!

          • Anonymous says:

            Brilliant. That places Martin Lewis in the same self serving spud sack as George Mombiot and Lord Branston of Pickles. About time the profligate paid for their breach of terms and conditions.

          • We live in the age of stupid………

          • Thunderbox says:

            Brilliant. That places Martin Lewis in the same self serving spud sack as George Mombiot and Lord Branston of Pickles. Let the profligate pay for breaching their banking terms and may every 4×4 be rebranded under the name of ‘MOMBIOT’.

          • David Cameron says:

            GREEN As you might have gathered by now, I am passionate about our environment.

            It’s a very personal commitment.
            I grew up in the countryside.
            I’ve always loved the outdoors.

            As you can see if you look around this conference, I’m quite keen on trees.

            We saw in our debate on Monday the scale of the threat from climate change.

            I know that we have within us the creativity, the innovation, the technological potential to achieve green growth – sustainable prosperity.

            The Stern Report will tell us that the tools of success are in our grasp.

            But it will also say that the price of inaction gets higher every day.

            So I will not pretend to you that it will be easy.

            That there will be no pain or sacrifice.

            If you want to understand climate change, go and see Al Gore’s film, An Inconvenient Truth.

            Today, I want to tell the British people some uncomfortable truths.

            There is a price for progress in tackling climate change.

            Yes of course low-energy lightbulbs, hybrid cars – even a windmill on your roof can make a difference and also save money.

            But these things are not enough.

            Government must show leadership by setting the right framework.

            Binding targets for carbon reduction, year on year.

            That would create a price for carbon in our economy.

            What does that mean? It means that things which produce more carbon will get more expensive.

            Going green is not some fashionable, pain-free option.

            It will place a responsibility on business.
            It will place a responsibility on all of us.
            That is the point.

            Tackling climate change is our social responsibility – to the next generation.

            And I’ll tell you something.

            In politics, it’s much easier to take steps that will be painful if political parties work together, instead of playing it for partisan advantage. – David Cameron

            Fucking lefty Hahahahahaha!!!

          • Master Baiter says:

            The Scots have been brainwashed and bought.

            We will release our dole hordes.

            Using all means available we will cling onto power.


          • John Gage says:

            Riots I think not. The public has not the stomach for it! Sheep!

          • Master Baiter says:

            You Conservitudes never learn. We have no interest in democracy, the armed forces etc etc. We just with to hold onto power by any means possibe.

            That is all.


          • McGroom says:

            Master Baiter = Pathological Denial

            you don’t have a working relationship with facts and the truth

          • Master Baiter says:

            McGroom = Loser


          • neonoctafish says:

            John Gage is (unfortunately) on the money. If the last year hasn’t produced riots then surely, whatever side of the political fences we are, we can only despair. If Charles I had had Y-Factor & I’m A Fuckwit Get Me 350K to hand Cromwell, O. wouldn’t have bothered.

          • Archie says:

            Establishment judiciary rules in favour of establishment financial institutions? There’s a surprise!

        • 175
          Master Baiter says:

          McGroom, Regarding AIG (American International Group), AIG Financial Products and Holding Company Are Federally Regulated. It was not regulated by the UK’s FSA (Financial Services Authority).

          By purchasing a savings and loan in 1999, AIG was able to select as its primary regulator the federal Office of Thrift Supervision (OTS), the federal agency that is charged with overseeing savings and loan banks and thrift associations.
          AIG Financial Products is not a licensed insurance company. Financial Products is an investment unit based chiefly in London. It was able to evade regulation under the British Financial Services Authority because the AIG holding company was registered with an “equivalent regulator,” the OTS.


          • Grumpy Old Man says:

            We understand, MB. It was All Within The Rules. McGroom’s point stands.

          • Master Baiter says:

            Actually it doesn’t, have a look at Testimony of the
            National Association of Insurance Commissioners
            Before the
            Subcommittee on Capital Markets, Insurance, and Government Sponsored Enterprises
            Committee on Financial Services
            United States House of Representatives
            In it it is stated clearly that AIG Financial Products was able to evade regulation under the British Financial Services Authority because the AIG holding company was registered with an “equivalent regulator,” the OTS (Office of Thrift Supervision).
            It’s a crisis that started in America and it’s global.


          • Putin says:

            Very interesting but would the UK’s regulatory framework have stopped the same thing happening? The facts say no because this problem induced panic in the government last September so the framework here was just as inept as the US.

            Where it started is of no relevance.

            There was nothing in place here to indentify or prevent it. The guilt rests firmly with the UK government for putting in place light touch regulation and expecting people with the morals of time share salesmen to police themselves.

            Of course, allowing yourself to be persuaded to look the other way with increased tax receipts makes the guilt somewhat worse.

          • move along, nothing to see says:

            Master Baiter = I’m street Arab

            something you wish to share?

          • Master Baiter says:

            Fox shot.
            AIG (American Internaitonal Group) wrote 400 billion dollars of Credit Default Swaps and was regulated by the OTS, which is the United States of America’s Office of Thrift Supervision.
            AIG blew up.
            It blew up because of criminal and predatory loans made to insolvent and non existent individuals in America and the subsequent defaulting of those loans. UK loans have not defaulted.
            AIG is held together now by US Federal Government sellotape.
            As an aside all through the period in question the Conservitudes called for more deregulation.
            The ideology of self correcting ‘free’ markets is proven to be balderdash.
            It’s a global crisis and it started in America.

          • McGroom says:

            Master Baiter – Just get over it you moron

            repeating something 15 times a day doesn’t make any more true unless you are in pathological denial (a prerequiste for bunker inhabitants)

            It really doesn’t matter where it started, it’s what is being done to fix it.

            ..and Gordon’s statement that “the UK is best placed to weather the economic climate ” was bollocks as we are still in recession.

            Japan has spent 20 years fighting recession after the bubble burst in 1989 caused by overburdening debt. They now have public debt as 188% of GDP rising to 207% in two years.

            Brown and Darling are taking the UK down the same route of bailing out big business (who spend the rescue money on better growth prospects abroad). Consumer spending is what drives economic growth and New Labour are screwing individuals and Small and Medium size Enterprises (SME’s) to bail out their big corporate buddies for the second time in a decade.

            MB – you have been told to stay out of economics as you clearly do not get the relationship between income and expenditure

          • Master Baiter says:

            I don’t want to talk about the New Labour Party’s illegal occupation of Afghanistan that is endangering the security of British citizens and so I will instead talk about the economy all the time to trick the tory trolls.
            I do not want to talk about David Miliband covering up torture either.

          • Master Baiter says:


            It’s the real economy, stupid!

          • Master Baiter says:

            McGroom, not only was AIG FP (American International Group Financial Products) regulated by the American Federal Office of Thrift Supervision but CDS’s, Credit Default Swaps were and are exempted from regulation under the Commodities Futures Modernization Act of 2000, which is an American law. CDS’s were the main instruent AIG FP traded.

            McGroom admit it, facts and the truth won’t hurt!

            It’s a global crisis and it started in America.


          • McGroom says:

            Master Baiter = Bunker Mentality Pathological Denial

            You are a stranger to both the facts and the truth

          • Canticle for Leibowitz says:

            In future days, as the writing of M. Baiter are studied by hushed and cowled students, a consensus will emerge that ‘Baiter’, like ‘Homer’ before him is the result of a confusion of tangled voices.

            The earliest extant form consists of stereotypical abuse-calling and repetition of clumsy punning: “Conservitudes”, “Hahahahaha” and the like.

            As the narrative develops to include detailed analysis of the hypothesis that “it all started in America” and that James Grordon Brown, OM was the instigator of detailed regulatory changes which permitted the entire of the system of ‘global capitalism’ to undergo a systemic infarct, the ‘Baiter’ voice becomes tauntingly expert in the detailed and the recherché.

            ‘Baiter’ is well-named: his function is to madden and confuse. Lacking the swagger and the deathly skill of a Toreador – he is a lowly picador, a mere office junior – one who goads by spouting bull.


          • Master Baiter says:

            It’s the right thing to do.

            Contrary to McGroom’s repeated assertion AIG FP is not and was not regulated by the UK’s FSA. It’s regulator is and was in the US, but in any case CDS’s (credit default swaps) the instruments it dealt in and that blew it and the world financial system to smithereens are exepmt from regulation undr US law. They were totally deregulated.

            God is Truth is Love

      • 61
        Moley says:

        The State has taken powers to remove money from Bank and Building Society accounts without a Court Order.

        It will be widely abused, like the surveillance powers meant to control terrorism and used on people who “overfill” their wheelie bin.

        One way of controlling bankers bonuses?

        • 71
          Throbber says:

          Offshore accounts then – fuck em.

          • Nick says:

            I think you’ll find that the UK gov can get their hands on (or indefinitely freeze) bank accounts throughout Europe & most other places that you’d want to export your money to. Also (a relative recently found that) if you export capital even for bone fide reasons HMRC get all the transfer details.

            The only way around it is to pitch up at Heathrow with a Samsonite full of fifties – but if you’re caught HMRC will confiscate the cash on the spot, no matter what your justification is.

      • 126
        LabourReallyIsVeryEvil says:

        So far, the move to Left Totalitarianism has been unstoppable

        • 329
          Bankrupt Capitalist. says:

          You can only get funding for research if you fit the profile the Gov want to hear. Try getting money to research the involvment of the State and Class A drug distribution. Or How Estrogen from the Pill taken by Women is killing off the fish stocks in the rivers and sea”s by limiting their reproductive systems. Or how fractional lending has created our economic ills, or how the WAR on everything is the main causal factor of the STATE spending all of our cash on none commercial activity.

          • Ruth Kelly's plaything says:

            Your post rang a bell from 40 years ago. Dr Vernon Coleman wrote a prophetic article about how oestrogen was (via the Pill) getting into the water supply, to be drunk by women and men alike.

            No problem for the girlies, but he predicted the feminisation of the male population.

            Try getting a research grant from this govt to investigate the role that may be playing in the extraordinary increase in male homosexuality and the fall in sperm-counts!

            (In the absence of information I can only speculate – but that’s the point: without information none of us knows anything. No information will be provided on this important issue as it’s too close to the bone for one of NuLab’s vital client-groups. The BBC, BA cabin crew and John Lewis’s soft furnishings department would be up in arms, not to mention a number of NuLab MPs!)

        • 436
          Heir to Blair says:

          your not wrong

      • 128
        Tapestry says:

        McGroom – you didn’t mention Opinion Polls and elections.

        The voting fraud systems are all in place. Labour Spinners are claiming a win or a Hung Parliament will be achievable by 2010. Well it won’t be achievable by voting. That’s for sure.

        Follow the logic of what you are saying, and what they are saying.

        If the Climate can be distorted for political ends, a mere general election will be a doddle.

        Why are people not exercised now about the coming electoral frauds? It is probably already too late.

      • 145

        Dr Sean Gabb of the Libertarian Alliance thinks that the Russians have the most to gain from the universal discrediting of the AGW myth. After all, Russia only suvives because of massive oil and gas exports. If the West was truly to be down-hobbled by the AGW-warmist cooling-deniers, Russia has most to lose.

        The Arabian fellows and their cousins here and there can survive a bit longer than them, by downsizing their Royal Houses, renting out the Princesses (and perhaps even a few hundred Princes) and selling off a few thousand tanks and part-used Tornados and Typhoons. Chavez can turn his tormented people to growing and selling drugs. We here have no more oil or gas to sell anyway, and nobody wants to buy our huge stocks of unreachable coal.

        So it’s ShootinPutin187′s people who would lose out the most if AGW darkness wins out.

        • 451
          random moonbat says:

          Russia saves europe again, it’s kind of ironic realy (we say they are the bad guys and they are the ones who have to keep bailing us out!)

          • Anonymous says:

            “we say they are the bad guys and they are the ones who have to keep bailing us out!”

            Shades of Scotland vs England there.

        • 750
          JMT says:

          Funnily enough when all this AGW malarkey was gaining publicity, some Russian bloke (ca 19910 pointed out that warming was the least of our worries and that within 20 years we would be freezing our butts off.

          The Ruskies tend to be fairly pragmatic about these things – and usually right.

      • 217
        PJ says:

        I have seen it happen many times: a scientist starts out as independently minded – and has the skills knowledge etc to perform and evaluate situations scientifically. They then come in touch with commerce and / or politics – only the good and strong stay honest!!

        This government would not knowingly employ a scientist that did not believe in global warming or indeed outwardly supported fox-hunting – it’s thus self-perpetuating.

        Most politicians are ‘corrupt’ in the sense that they usually refuse to tell the (whole) truth – most government scientists in senior positions today are there because they are prepared to work with and accomodate the corrupt NuLibor regime

        • 741
          Charlie Whelan ate my hampster says:

          Absolutely correct, The scandal has been going on for years, and has destroyed the careers of many dissenters. It’s like some medieval religious witchhunt

          The Junk Science blog makes good reading on ‘climate change’

          Al Gore’s hockey stick graph was exploded years ago, but you’d never know it according to the Green lobby. You can get a computer to churn out whatever predicition you want, and all these ‘forecasts’ are based on computer programs, where the data is dubious to say the least (more often fantasy, or downright fraudulent inc by omission)

          • Kroutdick says:

            I think that Al Gore chappie has the right idea.

            As Ron L. Hubbard, allegedly said. “If you want to get rich, start a religion.” !

            In Al’s case, if you want to get rich – start a panic !

            Poor old plebs – stuffed again !

      • 358
        Cinna says:

        Guido: they have sought to first of all marginalise and defund researchers who put forward a different view. They have hidden information, faked up data, used in their own words trickery, in an effort to hide……

        Sounds just like the Liebore government then?

    • 13
      who dunit says:

      Petition sent

    • 30
      anon anon anon anon..... says:

      Independent Body on Climate Change …….not in this Climate!

      • 81
        • 397
          Mr Ned says:

          That makes for VERY damning reading.

          It is not just the emails though, they are damning enough on their own, but It is the code and the coders comments and the read_me files.

          They flat out confirm that the recent cooling was eradicated as part of the “smoothing” between the dendrochonoloy and surface station temperature records. Since when have trees been a reliable proxy for temperature anyway? They record relative light and moisture more than temperature and that is not even getting into the appallingly, unscientific and too-tiny to be reliable selection of only 10 trees at the end of Briffa et al’s reconstruction.

          More excellent analysis of the leaked info with regard to a timeline of FOI requests is available on the blog. This shows an anti-scientific approach and shows many deliberate acts of obfuscation and with-holding data on the part of the CRU with compliance from NASA GISS and the FOI agents in that obsfucation.

          All the CRU servers, and the NASA GISS servers should be audited and all the available info disseminated to real, openly objective scientists. Not just those who have drunk the AGW kool-aid and recited the pledge of allegiance to the church of Mann-made climate change. Clearly when evidence of abuse of the peer-review process and the withholding of data in spite of numerous FOI requests and the shocking state of the code is uncovered, and this is perpetrated by known and admitted proponents of and evangelical persuaders for the AGW hypothesis, which can only create doubts about how hard these scientists have tried to prevent conclusion bias, then in the interests of balance and objective science, there must be a genuinely independent review.

          A comment I saw on another blog, “Man made climate change is real, and now we know which Mann did it!”

          It looks to an ever increasing percentage of the public like these people have something to hide and were acting in opposition to the normal scientific method.

          We need impartial investigation to establish the veracity of the claims that contrary to perceived wisdom that the medieval warm period did not exist and we are currently witnessing the warmest global mean temps in the last 2000 years.

          Certainly the Viking farmsteads in Greenland and the long history of wine-making in the north of the UK would strongly suggest that earlier ages were indeed warmer, without the medieval britons driving 4×4 ox carts to market.

          Now that every hockey stick reconstruction has had serious doubts raised (being charitable there) then it is overwhelmingly in the public interest that there be a full, open, public and unbiased inquiry and revisit all the available data and analysis and methodology.

          For something as important as (what the alarmists claim) is unprecedented climate warming, then surely, if only to get the public on board, then everyone involved in climate science, and science generally, from whichever side they are on, must agree that the raw data and the methodology of the analysis on that data is above reproach. The only way to restore public confidence in what the scientists are doing is to open this whole area up to the most open and transparent scientific standards.

          What have the climate alarmists got to fear from that?

          Where have I heard it before? Nothing to hide, nothing to fear?

          Open up the source code!

        • 452
          Odds Bodkins says:

          Wow some interesting things there. Thanks for posting. Mann, Jones, Wigley et al are real nasty pieces of work.

          • Cyco Billy says:

            Another figure to note is Santa Obama’s current chief scientific advisor, who is as thick as thieves with this lot. They are only following the 1974 orders of Margaret Mead, who as president of the American Association for the Advancement of Science [sic] got this particular ball rolling. Who Mead got her orders from I have still to find out.

    • 112
      PJ says:

      Yeah – done that !!

      I saw that one ‘signee’ had put its name down as ‘investigate the industry funded source of these rumours instead’

      This also seems reasonable so to do.

    • 138
      LabourReallyIsVeryEvil says:

      Is Phil Jones a Common Purpose graduate?

      Just wondered.

    • 285
      Sukyspook says:

      The following statement exposes the basis of the entire MMGW scam by Club of Rome with the likes of Maurice Strong who, strangely enough, now lives in CHINA….

      I think ‘they’ thought they could continue the ruse of global government by shifting the industrial base from West to East (almost complete) and back again with their ongoing inhuman scams and fear tactics.

      “In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution,the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill. All these dangers are caused by human intervention, and it is only through changed attitudes and behavior that they can be overcome. The real enemy then, is humanity itself.”

      Lord Monckton with Glenn Beck (careful of Glenn….) exposing origins of Club of Rome and MMGW:

      • 461
        Mr Ned says:

        Sukyspook, you’ll no doubt already be aware of this, but it is the convergence of communism, GAIA worship, the eugenics movement and the beginnings of the “scientific consensus” to propagandise for man made climate catastrophe.

        Interesting reading.

        As is this:

        A lOOOONG list of the leaders of the environment mafia leadership’s quotes in support of depopulation, AKA mass murder.

        • 547
          Sukyspook says:

          AKA the ‘scientific dictatorship’ – Hitler; Lenin; Marx; Stalin; Hussein; Bin L; etc etc were all ‘theirs’ too…it’s like living in a live ‘play’ but only each one of us, when we recognise Truth in our hearts, can say ‘game over’.

          I’m so pleased this is all finally coming out into the lamestream as holding alternative views makes one feel somewhat of a pariah!! This is truly a hallelujah moment for all ‘right’ thinking people – YAAAAAAY!

          You probably know this quote too Mr Ned:

          All truth passes through three stages.
          First, it is ridiculed.
          Second, it is violently opposed.
          Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

          Arthur Schopenhauer
          German philosopher (1788 – 1860)

    • 539
      Let's find the truth says:


      Thanks for the link to the petition which I have just signed.

    • 650
      Gordon drowned my kids says:

      Re. Petition to the Prime Mentalist.

      When has he listened to petitions? McRuin doesn’t do democracy. He still hasn’t resigned!

      • 776
        Kroutdick says:

        Gordo Clown will resign – once they’ve found him a good Rest Home.

        Perhaps Sarah could get a job there, as Matron !

    • 663
      Ruth Kelly's plaything says:

      Thanks, Attila – have signed (with gusto!).

      I don’t care for religions and the global warm….oops, climate change, movement possesses most of the hallmarks of one.

      How anyone can take seriously a scientific discipline that a generation ago was predicting a new Ice Age and now says the opposite BASED ON THE SAME DATA SET beats me.

  2. 2
    I hate new Labour says:

    Hear, hear…

    This ‘climate change’ rubbish is just an excuse for politicians to pick our pockets in the name of ‘saving the planet’.

    I dread the next brainwashed generation preaching to us about how our fridges are killing the earth.

    Funny how major exponents of this lie, like Al Gore, have become phenomenally rich and live in very un-green like mansions isn’t it?

    • 10
      genghiz the kahn says:

      Michael Meacher has made sure that he has taken plenty of change from the Climate.

      Scratch a green and you find a red.

      • 60
        Maladroit Labour Chump says:

        Has n’t Mr. Meacher got about half a dozen properties up and down the country ?

        • 78
          Mitch says:

          Yes – he’s a typical lefty hypocrite

          • barefootcontessa says:

            Meacher is one of the only decent newlabourites. Has been one of their outcasts for years. Climate change has morphed into a religion, been distorted and used by governments for their own ends. (what else would they do)? In fact, it’s about time we all used less, consumed less, eat less etc etc etc. Human beings are greed personified, and undoubtedly their profligacy is/has caused damage to the planet earth.

          • Master Baiter says:

            Well put Big Foot!

          • > In fact, it’s about time we all used less, consumed less, eat less etc etc etc

            Piss off. You can choose to, but you cannot choose for others.

        • 252
          Laber Hater says:

          Yes – and I understand he collects the rent personally – hence his inflated MP expenses !!

        • 419
          toddy357 says:

          yes and i bet he was flipping them years before the rest of them.he also lied about his class{rich upper middle class}and built fridge mountains every where.a pure gobshite.

        • 777
          Kroutdick says:

          Yeah – but Tony’s catching him up !

      • 154

        That’s why we call them Watermelons.

      • 354
        Communist Watermelon Cameron says:

        If you want to understand climate change, go and see Al Gore’s film, An Inconvenient Truth.

        • 390
          toddy357 says:

          you mean An Inconvenient load of bullshit .

        • 472
          Mr Ned says:

          That is a load of old bullshit. It is a fear based polemic that a judge ordered that if it is shown in schools, all the fear based bullshit had to be debunked with a list of the bullshit claims that Gore made.

          Catastrophic climate change ain’t quite so catastrophic once all the obvious bullshit has been taken out of the fearmongering film.

          We are facing a terrifying 12 – 24 inches of sea level raise, much lower than the 240 inches Gore claimed.

          Then, when Gore stated that the earth’s mantle is millions of degrees in temperature, when in reality is closer to 200 degrees, he blew ANY semblance of scientific credibility he had left clean out of this galaxy.

          I do not believe people who claim that someone can represent the best of science, who has NO scientific qualifications or experience whatsoever, yet PHd professors who have dedicated a lifetime to publicly funded (not oil) climate research are labelled Kooks based solely on their conclusions, and NOT on any valid scientific methodology.

          The REAL inconvenient truth is in the comments to the fortran code and in the read_me file in the leaked “climate gate” data.

          • Anonymous says:

            Pity Mr Ned can’t get his fact rightm Mantel temperatures range from (up to) 900 C at the boundary with the crust to over 4000 at the boundary with the core

          • John Smith says:

            Mistaking the Earth for the Sun could you imagine the flak Sarah Palin would get if she did that?

        • 764
          The Ghost of Christmas Past says:

          No thanks i prefer my entertainment to be a little more factually based, not a fable.

    • 131
      Sun Tzu says:

      Don’t forget the role the BBC have played in this massive propaganda exercise. I will always hold Richard Black@BBC responsible for deliberately publishing lies and disinformation on AGW- they still have the totally discredited hockey stick on their website and refuse to remove the story. See This story is just a pack of lies!

      • 194
        Sukyspook says:

        I couldn’t believe Newsnight last night – they were STILL on the MMGW gravy train selling fear and CO2 nonsense.

        If anyone digs the first sod to build one of those ridiculous carbon capture plants – expect to see me spreadeagled across the field – “in the best possible taste” as Kenny Everett would say (RIP Ken).

      • 255
        Lil Olmey says:

        Wondered what AGW was ….. Accident Generated Water, apparently.
        So this is all about Brown pissing himself again, right ?

    • 297
      udderly 'orrible says:

      “Many of the enemies of capitalism have merely changed their flag from red to green.”
      Exactly! Communist watermelons all of them.

      We need a global cull of these fruit flies.

    • 371
      Gordons favourite Butt Plug says:

      The Greens are simply , great big fat water melons.

      Water Melons : Green on the outside. Vivid red inside. No substance at all.

      • 441
        Marxist anti-capitalist lefty caught on tape says:

        • 565
          Cassandra King says:

          Of all the big three party hypocritical lying cheats David Cameron is perhaps the worst, he is using his grassroots supporters in the most despicable way imaginable.

          David Cameron is NOT a real Tory, he is a social democrat puppet, he knows full well that the man made global warming myth is a complete manufactured lie based on fraud, forgery and dirty tricks, he knows full well the incredible cost to us, the massive damage this fraud will inflict not on the rich but on the poor and sick and yet he is happy to do this.

          A vote for Cameron is a vote for the NWO CP inspired destruction of the nation state, he is a conspirator and willing stooge of the treasonous theft of our nation. Cameron is in fact a fraud, a living walking example of a vacuum, he is an empty space devoid of principle and loyalty to his own party and country, he is a vacuous air head who has conned his way into a party that could have saved our nation from the terrible fate awaiting it, the loyal followers of conservatism are actually receiving the same treatment as the labour party got when their party was stolen by newlabour, they did win power but look at the price they paid!

          All you real Tory voters out there, I beg you to think about who you vote for at the election, think very carefully indeed because the stakes are high.

  3. 3
    sceptical says:

    Yea Guido – right on! Actually I see little wrong in a bit of global warming – I fancy growing some Pinot Noir in my rural retreat and also cutting my oil bills – bring it on!

    • 248

      Sorry but even if the science of Global warming was real, all it would do is make night time temperature drops less sudden. CO2 couldn’t effect daytime temperatures.

      • 288
        Master Baiter says:

        Aunty Zit,
        AIG FP regulator is not the UK FSA,

        Aunty Zit wrong again.


        • 357
          MBs Mom (yes, I caught him once, having one) says:

          Must be lunch time already down there at the Ministry of Information, son. In case you didn’t notice it when you were sitting on it- doing all that stuff with the monitor and tubes – I put a banana in the back pocket of your boiler suit.

          • Master Baiter says:

            My sock is so crusty, it looks like it’s been hanging in a cave for thousand years.

            And I’m desperate.

      • 708
        Anonymous says:

        Anti Citizen – if more heat is retained n the atmosphere then day time temperature will rise – simples!

      • 752
        CHIPPY says:

        This so called global warming.Was caused by Blair and Brown burning their dodgy documents on IRAQ.

  4. 4
    NotaSheep says:

    Until the BBC report what the emails reveal then this story will not gain enough traction to hit the mainstream and that is just not going to happen.

    • 19
      Pontius The Pilot says:

      In fairness, Newsnight did cover it last night and didnt put a gloss on it… but do the sheeple fully understand or give a shit?

      • 198
        English Heretic says:

        The Daily Politics show had Fred Singer on the other day – the first time I’ve seen a proper qualified ‘sceptic’ on the BBC, however the BBC news is full of climate propaganda items in the run up to Copenhagen Carbon Tax stitch-up conference.

        Here’s the truth, CO2 is plant food..! CO2 feeds people..!

        Check out Climate Depot for the whole rotten CO2 AGW fraud story.

        • 275
          barefootcontessa says:

          But Fred Singer has a very large axe to grind!

          • Osama the Nazarene says:

            There was no mention of this “axe” during his appearance. Unless this “axe” has to do with the inability of the climate cooling deniers to explain the period when the Vikings inhabited Greenland in the Middle Ages or the cooling of the last 10 years.

        • 317
          Ped says:

          On both the DP and Newsnight along with Prof Watson (EAU). Watson was back-pedalling for all he was worth!!

    • 727
      Not long till labour gone says:

      The whole lot (65mb worth) is downloadable from

  5. 5
    Armanidinnerjacket says:

    Told you so! – a Watermelon is a watermelon is a watermelon = a bit green on the outside but blood red to its core! anyone who fell for their social and political agenda is/was a twat.

    • 450
      a blood red twat says:

      • 691
        Sukyspook says:

        I was a Greenpeace member for 20+ years until about 7 years ago when I recognised the scam of MMGW and of course, the bid for global domination by a relatively small mindset who use anything and anyone to achieve their goal.

  6. 6
    Great Law of the Iroquois says:

    The global warming/global cooling debate is irrelevant. The fact is the oil will run out. Thinking seven generations ahead is simply a better way to live your life.

  7. 7
    Peter grimes says:

    I have incontrovertible evidence that any increase in global warming in the past dozen years is due to the flatulent emissions from all body orifices by our ‘government’, ZaNuLieBor.

  8. 8
    James ibbo says:

    Good to see you finally covering this Guido !

    Makes a change from Westminster gossip but the sciences behind it has the potential to affect our every day lives, especially if carbon credits are implemented on a individual level !

    The left never let facts get in the way of their arguments !

    • 49
      Anonymous says:

      What science behind it? Read the emails – it’s fixed.

      • 116
        Continue the Attack says:

        I’m a scientist based at UEA. Data are always open to interpretation. IF there’s to be an investigation, then let Phil Jones turn his laboratory notes and hard drive over to see the raw data. These won’t have been destroyed and are the reason such notes are made (in case of contraversy).

        I for one would like to see some of the spin taken out of science but alas….

        • 130
          Airey Belvoir says:

          You must be a scientist, judging by your spelling.

        • 260
          Plato says:

          “data are open to intrepretation…”

          It certainly is when the code comments include little gems like those contained in HARRY_READ_THIS.txt.

          Such as :

          “OH **** THIS. It’s Sunday evening, I’ve worked all weekend, and just when I thought it was done I’m hitting yet another problem that’s based on the hopeless state of our databases. There is no uniform data integrity, it’s just a catalogue of issues that continues to grow as they’re found.”

    • 220
      English Heretic says:

      Seconded, good to see Guido on the case.

      There is a whole fetid set of connections between the Quangos and EU who fund the CRU (with our taxes) and the MSM led by the BBC who push AGW propaganda relentlessly on their behalf – not to mention the Education establishment who poison young minds with religious dogma like Al Gore’s An Inconvenient Truth.

      An independent enquiry would be a good place to start – ask your MP for one – and your MEP, you know how much they love to listen to people’s concerns.

      OK, I made that last bit up.

  9. 11
    Number 7 says:

    It’s not just the raw data that is suspect:-

    It seems that the climate modelling programs are also written to ignore “inconvenient” data.

    • 26
      Pontius The Pilot says:

      Thats pretty conclusive. Shifty fuckers.

      So, why the deafening silence?

      • 113
        Grumpy Old Man says:

        Standard Progressive Lefty procedure. “Unfortunate” events are ignored until public interest moves elswhere. The Plan is then applied. Another example is the rejection of Lisbon by plebiscite in those nations lucky enough to have one. not in the Progessive master plan, so ignored or overidden by those in control.

        • 527
          Mr Ned says:

          These human hating communists have been doing a limited hang out on the emails, hoping that it would be enough to discourage people from actually taking the time to look at the raw data that was dumped.

          the emails are bad enough and prove an abuse of the peer-review process. There is nothing scientific in asking fellow religious believers if your own beliefs are sound! As has been stated by others on forums and blogs all over the world. The real inconvenient truth is in the code and the comments and the infamous Harry_read_me file.

          This information DOES cast doubt on the veracity of hockey stick claims and the only logical response is to demand a complete audit of the CRU servers.

          The NASA GISS reconstruction is very similar to the CRU reconstruction, so the alarmists claim that this shows even more evidence of sound science.

          I disagree. Now we have seen how shoddy the data really is, I wonder if the NASA GISS reconstruction is as shoddy and unreliable as the CRU data? Have Dr Hansen’s team been just as blatant in fixing the data?

          The only way to be sure is to audit the lot and get real scientists, rather than religious evangelicals to the AGW religion, to scientifically and openly and honestly reconstruct the temps to get to the truth.

          For these scientists to still believe that the medieval warm period to be cooler than today, they have to demonstrate how the vinyards of Yorkshire flourished when it was so cold all those centuries ago.

      • 163

        We could kill and eat three AGW “scientists” a day until a consensus is achieved to the effect that “The Science Is Settled”.

      • 446
        Alan says:

        I dunno. Perhaps people with more of a clue than you about how science works can see the crazy babbling of the blogosphere over cherry picked comments in private emails doesn’t actually alter the science.
        You know what would? High quality research and published papers.

        • 481

          You know what a prerequisite to that high quality research is?

          The release by CRU of the raw data, and the subjection of that data to proper investigation by both AGW proponents and sceptics.

          CRU is most reluctant to release the raw data – I wonder why?

          Could the ‘cherry picked comments’ give us a clue about the massive (and statistically suspect, from my reading of it) manipulation of the raw data to make it match the models’ predictions?

          AGW is now a big con. When the theory first gained ground, before the cooling of the last decade, it seemed plausible and with nice cuddly images like GAIA and Daisy World appealed to a lot of people. The trouble is that the theory fits only the data from the last century from urban areas, and most of that effect is explained by urban heat islands expanding over the same period.

          By all means let us have the properly reviewed research, but let’s have that CRU data first.

        • 574
          Mr Ned says:

          Alan, high quality research and published papers? PURLEEEEESE!

          How to get papers published according to the CRU of EAU…

          1. Select your peer-reviewers. Make sure that they already agree with your conclusions and will either use the same shoddy and dodgy methodology to force the data to fit your hypothesis, or at least overlook your efforts in this regard. Make sure that they are equally as zealous about the political implications and share the mania for “saving the world” and are fully inside the religious church of the AGW hypothesis.

          2. Fix the data to match your pre-conceived hypothesis. Whenever you review your data, remember to shave a few percentages of a degree from earlier years and add a few to later years.

          3. Hand over your finished paper to your pre-selected peer-reviewers, safe in the knowledge that they will endorse your conclusions, heck they don’t even have to waste time reading it!

          4. At the first sign of any peer looking likely to question the “science” demonise and ostracise the scientist and encourage the rest of the cult to terminate their career.

          Simples! The emails show a complete bastardisation of the peer-review process and the code shows how it was fixed to support the AGW theory.

          All the other “peer reviewed” papers that use the CRU reconstruction as an assumption are now also suspect.

          Suddenly the “vast amount of quality peer-reviewed papers” shrinks massively.

          Alan, you have the gall to to state, “Perhaps people with more of a clue than you about how science works ”

          Well in science 101, the FIRST thing learned is the scientific method. The CORE of which is reproducibility. This means that the entire method and the means MUST be publicly available for anyone to be able to reproduce any experiment to support the hypothesis.

          For the staff at CRU to conspire withhold data in order to prevent their method being Reproduced by anyone outside the cult shows clearly that they did NOT follow “how science works!” It was how the propaganda works, however.

          It is NOT scientific of the CRU to demand that other scientists who wish to check the reconstruction go and find their own data. Sure, one could spend the time to rebuild the international surface station temperature records and build one’s own reconstruction. But that is NOT using the CRU data and method and so can NEVER discover IF what they did was scientifically valid!

          Now we have seen the code, we understand the emails much better. They DID have something to hide.

          Stop with the “cherry picked” denial. This is NOT about a few emails taken out of context by a hysterical blogosphere. The inconvenient truth is that the holy grail of MMGW has been found seriously lacking.

          Surely you would support a full and open and public examination of the data and the scientific method to gain public support for the political policy that is set to flow from that “science”?

          It is in the public interest that such an investigation take place.

        • 702
          Half eyed Scottish idiot says:

          Cherry picked?

          The files hacked into can only be a very small part of the data held at CRU never mind on the servers of all the other conspiracists who have been identified.

          If we were allowed to see all the files we would have a whole forest of cherries to pick from.

    • 47
      Throbber says:

      That is why they always talk in terms of the models and not actual observations. The empirical data is at complete odds with their conclusions.

    • 610
      Odds Bodkins says:

      Christ, never mind the emails, let me see some more of their code.

      It’s one thing that a lot of code used in academia is unmaintainable and shitty, but the programmer in this instance has included a number of quick and dirty hacks in order to get the predetermined results he wants.

      These code comments reveal everything you need to know about their skullduggery.


      In other words it has not been getting warmer over the last 10 years, so I’ll introduce a crock to make it look that way.

  10. 12
    Socialists in denialr says:

    Christopher Booker has been saying this for years.Theres a lot of £ to be made from climate change.

    • 20
      Gordon ( SoldGoldAtThe ) BottomBrown says:

      I’m hoping to raise £Billions in ‘Green’ Taxes from the gullible millions out there.

      Hurry up !! I’ve only got days to Save the Planet.

      • 28
        CRU data fiddler witha P45 says:

        You Jonah bastard! We had it all sewn up and now it’s all turned to shit because you jumped on the gravy train!!

      • 249
        purpleline says:

        Gold is only 920 dollars higher than where Brown sold it, come on give the guy a break, hopefully his neck.

    • 292
      barefootcontessa says:

      And defend.

  11. 14

    The arguments removed, we still need a new resusable energy source for future.

    • 21
      W.W. says:

      James you may or may not be right, but let us have an honest debate about the reasons why.


      • 55
        who dunit says:

        we have 300 years worth of coal right here in the UK, we are not short of energy.

        • 73
          W.W. says:

          Good point I withdraw my previous comment.

          As I have a coal fire I shall throw a few extra lumps on, to do my part.

          Never let it be said I am not willing to make a sacrifice for my cause.


    • 35
      Anonymous says:

      Capitalism wiil drive the technology as required, as long as the communists keep their noses out.

      • 619
        Cyco Billy says:

        We can do better than leave it to chance – I propose an Office of the Communist Finder General.

    • 51
      Suti says:

      why you c’unt? Britain’s got hundreds of years of coal under its surface. burn that you c’unt and you.

    • 207
      Sukyspook says:

      Didn’t the guvmint award Nuke plant contracts to offshore companies last week??

      There are many clean alternatives that we’re not supposed to know about….cos they don’t make ££££££$$$$$$$.

      Global warming/global cooling – either way: ch-chiiiiiiiiiiiiiing.

      We live in a universe/on a planet of of natural cycles. I suggest the nay-sayers deal with it but don’t try to (continue) to make a killing from it.

    • 234
      Carry On Don't Lose Your Head (1967) says:

      An inconvenient truth for the Climate Change alarmists is the next generation of solar/battery technology will provide cheap-as-chips energy that is essentially CO2 free. Expect solar ‘panels’ being ‘printed’ for pennies like rolls of wallpaper within 5 years.

      Of course, the leftists and greens (of the watermelon type) don’t like to talk about these developments, because it undermines their agenda. They prefer the concept of cap ‘n’ trade because that is how they will further control us and enrich themselves. The fuckers never change.

      • 498
        random moonbat says:

        They are also working on infra red panels as well due to the fact that they produce energy also at night (cloud cover does not effect them)

        • 590
          Mr Ned says:

          IF the climate alarmists arguments were valid, (and the real powers that be will know if they are or not) then the powers that be would be funding the development of this clean energy to the tune of trillions of dollars worldwide.

          The fact that many good and very promising technologies are not getting any support, whilst the good old, pollution moving (not eradicating), electric car is getting a fat government hand-out shows that they know the alarmist’s arguments are NOT valid.

  12. 15
    Praguetory says:

    Capitalism is the natural way of things. All the anti-positions are ideologies which seek out and convert dead-eyed disciples.

    • 42
      Anonymous says:

      It’s not the natural way of things. Oppression is the default mode of human organisation, historically, and even currently geographically. That’s why there is the need for ” eternal vigilance” – something we (the post WW2 generations) are in the process of flunking.

      • 121
        Grumpy Old Man says:

        Good on you, anymouse. Who’s been reading his Plato, Hegel and Popper then?

        • 603
          Mr Ned says:

          After over 200 years of the complete failure of socialism and capitalism in providing a working, long-term model for all of society, surely nobody should be supporting either failed model.

          Both are philosophies that pit human against human by design to distract us all from what we COULD be doing here.

          Under capitalism AND socialism, a majority become the slaves of money, and their quality of life is hindered by that system. When in reality they should be the masters of their own destiny.

          I shall post a link here to a story which illustrates what I mean.

          • Sukyspook says:

            Eek Mr Ned – that’s definately the ‘scientific dictatorship’ and their ‘Great Work’ – the drone – the ‘new man’ which is what’s planned for us…

            We’ve outlived our usefulness to the elite who with our sweat equity (money) 5/6ths of us are planned to be disposed of and the elite will be serviced by the likes of Manna – how quaint – and how true this passage from the KJV is:

            Numbers 11:6
            But now our soul is dried away: there is nothing at all, beside this manna, before our eyes.

    • 140
      Lola says:

      ‘Capitalism’ is a catch all invention of Marxism to create an anti-Marxist philosophy. Capitalism doesn’t exist. What does exist is human action. AS well as minimal interfernce that needs certain conditions to flourish. Viz: Rule of law; right to enjoy private property; low and certain taxes; government as umpire not player; democratic accountability and a stable currency.

      For countries like the UK those conditions used to be taken for granted, well, up until about 12 years ago they did. But many other countries have never benefited from such conditions. They are are oppressed. Controlled by those with the most arms or by entrenched unnaccountable elites, the EU for example.

      Democratic capitalism is not the natural way at all. Totalitarianism is the natural way, unless we are eternally vigilant. That is why New Labour are such shits. They care nowt for freedom, but just for power.

    • 299
      barefootcontessa says:

      So the banks weren’t capitalism ‘run amok’? That’s what the gorgon and the bliar believe in – unbridled capitalism.

      • 383

        Corporatism run amok, or corporate socialism run amok. There’s nothing capitalist about what happened to credit volumes in the economy.

        • 517
          Master Baiter says:

          Aunty Zit the idiot, isn’t it?

          The financial spivs made all those personal gains for themselves risking other people’s money because of the machinations and lobbying efforts of a bunch of bought and paid for politicians, regulators and ratings agencies?

          Maybe not, isn’t it?

  13. 16
    Kezza the Hat says:

    ‘Global warming’ is very convenient for the Government as it can impose taxes on us whilst it tries to ‘save’ the planet. Carbon taxes, land fill taxes, energy taxes, etc. are all a major source of income for the Government. Why on Earth would they want to deny Global Warming, or stop funding these liars, when it is a money earner for them?

    Its about time the BBC did the job WE, and not the Government, paid them to do.

    • 56
      BBC says:

      we’re all high-paid marxist c’unts, you dope. turkeys don’t vote for Xmas.

    • 107
      JMT says:

      I cannot understand the BBC’s fixation with AGW.

      If we were to truly cut out unnecessary energy usage, then abolishing a State Braodcaster that costs each household £142.50 per annum is a no-brainer.

      In one fell swoop;
      Tax Break
      Several Billion quids worth of assets to flog off to fill the Brown Hole.
      Removal of one the largest energy users in the UK
      Reduction in lemonade bubbles (CO2) for those who believe in it
      Reduction in Entertainment costs as all the “Talent” take a pay cut to join ITV etc

      and no-one gets hurt except for Beeboids. Since they do not give a shit about anyone but themselves, no-one will care anyway.

    • 109
      Peter Grimes says:

      If you wait for Al-JaBeeBa to investigate anything which this ‘government’ or its advisers have done wrong, you will wait for ever.

      When did they ever question the ‘government’ about the doubling of our national debt between 2002-2007, a situation which has led to so much danger from the bank refinancing?

      • 161
        Lola says:

        Al Beeb is instutionally leftist in the same way as the Met was ‘institutionally racist’.

        I saw a bit of Dimbleby’s Building Britain (?) opus until I switched it off in disgust. On his way to the NE he opined that this was where the ‘wealth of Empire was being created by workers in shipbuilding, coalmines and steelmaking’. Prat. The ‘wealth creation’ came about because entrepreneurs brought together the resources of land labour and capital to make a profit.

        • 274

          “Institutionally racist” just means a lot of white people work there.

          It doesn’t mean it discriminates against black people at all. It’s a Marxist term.

        • 294
          Max the Impaler says:

          Lola..your giving me a stiffy.

        • 341
          albacore says:

          Extract from the MacPherson Report’s definition of institutional racism:
          “It can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes and behaviour which amounts to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness and racist stereotyping that disadvantage ethnic minority people.”
          Note the ludicrous key word “unwitting” which substituted guilt by subconscious thought-crime for the previously accepted meaning of “institutional” in this context. The Report found no overt racism in the police, so invented a brand new category.
          Is the state’s propaganda organ really an unwitting tool in its masters’ exploitation of “man-made” global warming?

          • “The report found no overt racism in the police, so invented a brand new category”

            Kind of like “the data showed no real evidence of AGW, so we massaged them to fit the model”.

            SOP under our IngSoc overlords I’m afraid.

            Part of MacPherson’s brief was to look at institutional racism, so rather than saying there wasn’t any, which would have been doubleplusungood for his future troughing prospects, he jumped through hoops to create the conclusions that the race relations industry and its legions of diversity consultants wanted and needed for their plan to subvert the Police.

            It’s going to take decades to root out the Righteous from our institutions, if we ever manage it, and it now looks as though even science is tainted.

        • 779
          Kroutdick says:

          That Lola’s got something going for her !

    • 270

      The biggest joke is that taxation tends to increase pollution.

      Governments are terribly wasteful utilisers of money (they didn’t earn it after-all).

      You only have to look at the USSR to see what a polluted dump it was.

      look at the spread of the radioactive cloud from Chernobyl, you can see Europe was polluted from communist countries, not the “dirty man of Europe”. That’s the inconvenient truth.

  14. 17

    You know I always had my worries about the Norsemen and Greenland, or Vinland as they knew it, none of these foaming at the mouth global wamers could explain that one.

  15. 18
    W.W. says:

    Climate change has given the same kind of tosser who used to be in CND the cause that they so desperately need to feel their sad empty middle class lives need.
    Man Made Global Warming requires to things proved.
    Firstly that the planet is warming. (It isn’t)
    Secondly that man is causing it.

    They always use the phrase since records began, well they have only been keeping records for the last hundred and fifty years or so.
    So they start the records just as we where comming out of a mini ice age, when they used to have ice fairs on the Thames.

    Just imangine the headlines now if the Thames froze over, no doubt they would blame that on Global Warming.

    As to Co2, well the average for the last hundred thousand years is Co2 of 300 ppm, at the moment it is about 370ppm.
    However 150 Million years ago (or so) it was 4000ppm and the temprature was roughly what it is now.

    I believe the government are looking to introduce a law where ‘Climate Change Deniers’ are going to be burnt at the stake.


    • 43
      James says:

      I think you are closer to the truth than you know. With MMGW being put on a legal par with religion, it can’t be long before criticising it is illegal. “He’s not an eco-warrior, he’s a very naughty boy”

      • 66
        Anonymous says:

        Hadn’t thought of that – good spot.

      • 85
        W.W. says:

        I saw Dennis Mcshane using the it against Daniel Hannan on Newsnight the other day to critizise their new EU, he said About some Latvian I think it was, he said “he was Anti Semetic, Homophobe and a climte change denier”

        And he insisted on Calling Daniel Hannan “Danny”


      • 110
        W.W. says:

        I do know, it was a point made in jest, but these fuckers are always looking at ways of making criminals out of ordinary citizens.

        Though ironicly enough they don’t seem over keen of making criminals of actual criminals.


        • 312
          barefootcontessa says:

          That’s true. Blair, responsible for killing and maiming thousands = innocent, young guy in a gang – non perpetrator but present at scene of crime = banged up for 15 years.

          Life’s a bitch, and then you die!

    • 143
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      Agreed, W.W. There are distinct similarities between the AGW religion and the science of climate change, and the medieval Inquisition and Astronomy. In particular, both put dogma before scientific discovery, and will do anything to maintain their erroneous beliefs.

    • 203
      Hugh Janus says:

      “Climate change has given the same kind of tosser who used to be in CND the cause that they so desperately need to feel their sad empty middle class lives need.”

      Quite right WW. Man made global so-called warming is also just a vehicle for the self-agrandisment, control and huge rises in taxation so craved by politicians.

    • 290
      Attila the Hun says:

      Good point. Somewhere in my video collection I have an very old Horizon program about the Gaia Theory. James Lovelock was interviewed, and opined that if the earth does not increase the CO2 levels in the next century or so – the earth is doomed. This was in the days when Horizon produced decent science reports of course.

    • 309
      Susie says:

      OOI the Thames used to freeze over because it was allowed to follow its natural course in the 16/17thCs. It was about twice as wide in some places, much shallower and had less of a current which allowed ice to form.

  16. 22
    Throbber says:

    So all lies and untruth – a perfect fit with Labour.

  17. 23
    Obama is a Twat says:

    Just look at the green lot, basically all the fat ugly lesbians from Greenham Common, swampy unwashed scum, Communists oh and the BBC of course (never far from a left wing cause, a 12 year old rent boy or a line of Cocaine)

  18. 27
    Jabba the Cat says:

    Good write up Guido.

  19. 29
    Anonymous says:

    I do like the new spin thats emerging, ‘so what if climate change isn’t happening, we should be protecting limited resources from waste with additional tax’, then proceed to demonise the usual suspects for wasting precious resources….

    • 39
      298,257 says:

      me too – but it is not emerging…it is being emerged. The real question is “who is paying for all the current activity ?”

    • 48
      W.W. says:

      That is the thing about the left, they are always looking to demonise somebody.

      In times gone by it would have been the same kind of tosser runing the Spanish Inquisition and the Salem Witch Trials.

      The kind who would burn you at the stake for your ‘own good’.


  20. 33
    298,257 says:

    Nice to see that not even on this blog can anyone spot a massive coordinated capaign to discredit the climate change scientists by the people who have a vested interest in keeping the status quo.

    It appears that the ‘rebels’ are actually just sheep walking in the opposite direction to the flock.

    • 52
      Throbber says:

      Even if that were true (and it is in fact, hogwash) it wouldn’t even begin to level up the playing field.

    • 53
      Anonymous says:

      Climate change scientists are the status quo. Do try to keep up.

    • 67

      Goldman Sachs is going to make a fortune out of Cap & Trade, governments around the world are gleefully looking for new excuses and new things to tax.

      Who is the sheep? Who are the rebels?

      • 118
        298,257 says:

        The sheep, Guido, is the one who repeats the mantra that the Medieval Warm Period is a problem for climate change scientists.

        The rebel is the one who understands how to remove underlying long term cyclical data trends from a set of data without affecting the integrity of that data or the validity of the conclusions that can be drawn from that data.

        “we should remove the Medieval Warm Period data …” is a perfectly sensible scientific statement – they use exactly the same analysis methods at the LHC at CERN to get rid of background radiation counts coming from the allumimium from which the detectors are built.

        • 142
        • 162
          aden says:

          We are going to ignore you, you are a climate cooling denier.

          How do you like them apples fucktard?

        • 171
          Grumpy Old Man says:

          …So you remove data which covers several centuries to “illuminate” data which covers 50 years. Absolute Statistical, Logical and Mathematical Bollocks, dear boy. May I remind you that Jansen, cheif Prophet of AGW, was a staunch proponent of Global Cooling, postulating a catastophic Ice Age which would destroy civilisation as we know it, thoughout the late 60′s and 70′s. The end is the same – it’s just the means that have changed.

        • 258
          Andy Carpark says:

          In that case, rebels must be pretty thin on the ground.

          The existence of fluctuations scarcely determines (1) their localisation across the globe or (2) the period of the cycle, if indeed it has a predictable period. Google ‘Kronecker’s theorem’.

          There is therefore no-one who ‘understands how to *remove* long term cyclical data … except you presumably.

        • 280
          Carry On Don't Lose Your Head (1967) says:

          You’re no Richard Feynman.

        • 301
          backwoodsman says:

          Which leaves us with the rather inconvenient truth :
          1. CRU personnel knowingly manipulated data.
          2. CRU personnel knowingly acted in unethical ways towards other academics
          3. CRU personnel conspired to destroy data & hide evidence of wrongdoing.

          Quite clearly those involved should be prosecuted for misuse of public funds and no further public funds should be available until a satisfactory reveiw system is in place.

        • 410
          Obama is a Twat says:

          Perhaps we should remove your fucking brain on the grounds that it distorts the truth? Fucking idiot.

          • neocon fuckwits abound says:

            you’re safe as fuck then seeing as you have rat-shit in yer noggin where a brain would normally be found

      • 379
        Mark, Edinburgh says:


        Bishop Hill blog has a link to absolutely hilarious you tube video “Hide the decline” – it’s way funnier than the bunker ones. Think you need this on your site asap.

        Also see see Hill on how DEFRA blew £6.5M of our money on funding the climate change lobbyists earlier this year.

        On Goldmans Peter Sutherland and Ian Currie are perhaps interesting subjects. Sutherland you will know, but Currie was a UK civil servant before working at the EU Commision as head of their climate change section. Along with Sutherland he then became a director of RBS before being removed from RBS Board by HMG along with Sutherland.

        However Currie is still being paid by the taxpayer – seems he’s now on the Board of the Met Office (the parent quango of the CRU).

    • 70
      British Standards - not as criminal as CRU wankers says:

      298,257, you’re a No.1 prick.

    • 100

      I have a business in renewable energy. I am making a fucking fortune selling gearboxes with blades on poles (cost price £16K) to governments in Europe (sale price €2.3M each)

    • 139
      QuestionEverything says:

      298,257 your wrong, all you have to do is look who will profit the most from this “Green Tax” it`s not hard, and if I`m a rebel then so be it but I will not have these charlatans and thief’s dictate my whole life via increased taxation and a “Carbon Credit” card,

      Carbon is essential for life just follow the ££££££$$$$$$$$ and join the rebels, or continue with your “Green Cult” and shout down us heretics,

      I would suggest you burn us at the stake but I`m sure the carbon being released into the atmosphere would make you wince.

      Or we could do what the Worlds Governments , UN and CRU do if your a non believer we`ll cut your funding, persecute you for releasing alternative data and deny FOI requests .

      • 182
        298,257 says:

        Question Everything – nor will I allow anyone to dictate my life, neither the climate changers, or the none climate changers. My point is that there is a massive capaign going on at the moment which is dedicated to promoting the “climate change scam” idea. And I find it unfortunate to see how many people are just picking up the line and bleating it out again without letting it pass first through the cognitive parts of their brains.

        I read a daily mail blog the other day which was full of comments like “at last the climate change scam has been exposed”. Do you really think that Missus Wiggins is really that engaged in the subject, or do you think that the blogs are being used by the big companies to formulate public opinion ?

        The world’s largest and fastest computers (the one with the terraflop things) are used, amonst other things, to analyse climatic change. If it takes that ammount of computing power, then my guess is that we really do not know what is going on yet.

        Global warming, pay me more tax… thanks
        Warming scam, scientists are all wrong… thanks

        • 238
          QuestionEverything says:

          298,257 I agree that we don`t really know what`s going on, but my point is there is “no debate to debate climate change” which raises the questions why?!

          Maybe I jumped on you a bit quick (not mandelson style :) ) and I apologise but until a “grown up” debate is engaged I can see this being denied much like the immigration issue.

          I generally feel sorry for the politicised Scientists (though not all) but the money involved tells me we`ll end up being mere Serfs for global business

        • 266
          Sarge says:

          Thee complex relationships between the many elements which make up the climate are not well understood. The computer model used has 15,000 variables. I suggest that alone gives some cause for concern.

          I have no problem in researching climate thoroughly. The whole cause and effect argument has become muddied by spin and a political interference. If you need a research grant for this you ain’t going to get one to disprove the consensus.

          This all suggests that the current claims need to be tested scientifically which will not happen as there are too many vested interests.

          I do note that our beloved Prime Minister ,when asked by some school kids

          ‘what are you doing to help the environment’ proudly told them he was the first to introduce a climate change levy.

          There you have the real agenda.

        • 335
          barefootcontessa says:

          I agree with you 298257. Say no more! It would be too heretical on this blog.

        • 349
          SpoofReader says:

          Sitting on the fence is not a solution, or a helpful contribution.
          I do not deny climate change (it has always changed, and always will).
          I do not deny that is may be, on average, getting warmer, or cooler, or, on average, about the same.
          I do question the reasons given for any change, particularly if the “blame” is being pointed at human development on the planet. If nature can balance the effects of massive volcano eruptions fairly quickly, and maintain liveable average temperatures during both high and low sunspot periods, then nature is a whole lot more powerful than we could ever be.

          And the next person to tell me that the population of Great Britain is going to die because average annual temperatures may rise by 2/3/4 degrees, should ask themselves how I survived for many years in the Middle East (average temp 11C warmer) and in the Caribbean ( average temp 12C warmer) without shrivelling up and pegging out.

          Other than that, the warmer it gets, the less heating we will need, therefore the less fuel we will use, therefore the less greenhouse gases will be emitted into the atmosphere. The colder it gets, more heating, more fuel, more GG, etc…. Nature has a way of being self-balancing, don’t you think? Even for us nasty humans.

        • 685
          Osama the Nazarene says:

          .298257 computers, no matter how many terraflops they may have, do not run themselves. They need people to program them. Prof Jones at the CRU had his programmers alter the code to produce the results he wanted.

          Not only that, he refused to let other people see the data he was using (no surprise there given that he was “washing” this data).

          What is even worse is his blatant actions to remove other academics from positions on the editorial boards of academic journals if their views did not agree with his. Stalinist methods or what!

          Such actions do not show people confident in their own case AND THEY CAST DOUBT OVER ALL THEIR THEORIES!

  21. 34
    • 150
      Regards, Tom says:


      Phil Jones, Dec 3, 2008:

      “About 2 months ago I deleted loads of emails, so have very little – if anything at all.”

      Phil Jones, Nov 24, 2009 Guardian

      “We’ve not deleted any emails or data here at CRU.”

  22. 36
    Sue Tzuzir says:

    ‘climate change’ it’s the cover all bases way of saying if it’s a bit warm/wet/cold/windy out that we are going to have to change our ways and be taxed into submission.

    Only new labour can save us from impending disaster, I know it’s true Gordon told me we only have 50 days left to save the planet.

    • 757
      CHIPPY says:


    • 783
      Kroutdick says:

      Gordon said 50 days last week !

      We’ve only got 43 days left, or thereabouts !

  23. 37
    Thierry Henry says:

    never trust ze English, zey are all cheats, especially zey so-called ‘scientists’.

  24. 38
    Airey Belvoir says:

    It’s ironic that we may end up doing the right thing – developing ways of replacing oil and gas as energy sources – for entirely the wrong reasons. A pity that so much damage may be done in the process to public respect for scientists, when the extent of the deception becomes more clear.

    I’m surprised that Christopher Booker did not jump on this scandal in the weekend papers – it is a gift to him, surely.

    • 72
      Anonymous says:

      We’re not doing the right things. Windmills are a very niche generation technology – they cannot be the maion source of supply. To hedge against fossil shortaqges – nuclear

      • 322
        Susie says:

        Agreed Anonymous. James Lovelock, the man himself, says the same thing… all the greens hate him for it.

        • 353
          The real Boss of Bromsgrove says:

          and how many watermelons have mobile phones, computers, TVs, and all those other devices that use electricity?

    • 87
      Anonymous says:

      Wait for all the data and analyse it.

    • 122
      Father Abraham says:

      Booker did a two page spread on this in the Daily Mail on Monday. I’m keeping it to show all the little smurfs who follow the alarmist viewpoint

  25. 40
    MB. says:

    Why didn’t similar organisations in other countries notice anomalies between their work and that of the CRU so perhaps they should also be investigated.

  26. 41
    Engineer says:

    Something bugs me a bit about the whole ‘climate science’ debate.

    There seems to be a lot of ‘analysis’ and ‘interpretation’. There are fancy mathematical models requiring supercomputers to run them, that churn out predictions of the climate’s future. There are Reports written for governments and others, endless articles in scientific journals, conferences and finally articles in the MSM interpreting all this stuff for the likes of you and me.

    All this depends on raw data. I’ve heard odd snippets, here and there, that the actual volume of raw data isn’t that large, and some of it (tree-ring studies carried out in Russia) may be compromised. Some may be unconfirmed by independent study by other scientists.

    Anybody out there got a better idea than me about the amount and quality of raw data?

    • 68
      W.W. says:

      I think they get the raw data in the following way.

      It’s Raining (Proof of Global Warming, )
      It’s not Raining (Proof of Global Warming, )
      It’s Warm (Proof of Global Warming, You )
      I’ts cold (Proof of Global Warming, )
      It’s windy (Proof of Global Warming, )
      It’s not windy (Proof of Global Warming, )

      Case proven.


      • 333

        I actually heard an ecoloon on R4 say yesterday that because 60 world leaders were going to Copenhagen this was PROOF it existed.

        Can’t wait until the Pope dies.

        • 365
          The real Boss of Bromsgrove says:

          White smoke causes global warming.

          Black smoke causes global warming.

          Popes cause global warming!

          60 world leaders in copenhagen causes global warming.

          60 world leaders in copenhagen means they like The Little Mermaid.

          Disney causes global warming!

          Tune in next week to follow our next boss-eyed plan for world domination via the magic watermelon of ecofascism.

        • 695
          Sukyspook says:

          Papa Razzi can’t die yet – he has a new CD out just in time for Christmas…

          “He probably won’t try to get down with the kids but record company bosses are hoping that their latest signing will prove popular, not least because he comes with a ready-made audience of about a sixth of the world’s population.

          Geffen Records, whose roster of stars has included Guns n’ Roses, Elton John, Donna Summer and Snoop Dogg, yesterday announced that it had signed a new artist: Pope Benedict XVI.”

      • 420
        Obama is a Twat says:

        Roger the wankstain Harrabin spouts just that every night on the BBC. Harrabin did a piece from Kew gardens last year claiming that climate change was causing flowers to bloom early, the following week half the Country was under 6″ of snow.

        Then this year Harrabin did a piece from Moscow zoo claiming that the lack of snow in Moscow was as a result of climate change and that the zoo Polar bears were suffering.

        A week later Moscow had 6 feet of snow.

        Harrabin is typical of the scum at the BBC, a degree in English doesn’t make you a climate analyst as his job title claims.

        If you look back we’ve had these extreme weather variations many times, it’s frigging England for god’s sake, we get shit weather.

        • 647
          Cyco Billy says:

          Harrabin has a nice little earner as a sideline, teaching aspiring talking heads how to do the climate change blague (and blag). BBC of course approves.

    • 77
      • 271
        Plato says:

        Calling it a model is certainly being very kind to it.

        A load of school boy code populated with made up data, manual array fixes so they eliminate inconvenient stats and… this is what we’re going to use as evidence to change the whole world’s economy.

        What a crock of shit this all is – whoever leaked this stuff deserves Al Gore’s Oscar and Nobel Prize.

    • 83
      Peter Handlesmen says:

      If there’s a study on rings, I want to be in charge.

    • 84
      resurgemus says:


      sounds like a re-run of those algorithms the pointy headed blokes in the city used to assure us risk hade been abolished and sub-prime mortgages were good.

    • 134
      Anonymous says:

      Ice cores for the last 70 years do not work. In general the ice cores can not be dated accurately. The key part is that in warm periods the surface melts and percolates down through the un-packed ice.

      So ice cores basically only show well when the years are cold. In warm years the effects are “smudged” over many years.

      So guess what it is not just the CRU that destroys records from warm years nature does it as well. No wonder we are always warmer than any record.

      The tree data is totally out of this world. Some trees it seems only react to their local temperature changes and others grow depending on the world average temperature.

      The sea temperatures are so sparse and have no history or depth profiles to mean anything.

      There is even an admission that no model can predict the current glacial retreat using temperatures. There are other factors like pollution that are more significant. How the Glaciers knew that we were going to find oil and start retreating first is also not explained.

      In fact it is all smoke and mirrors.

      BUT humanity is destroying this world. But not in the way they want you to believe.

    • 141
      DZ says:

      The Vostok (Antarctic) ice-core. 3,300 m of ice containing air bubbles with “fossilised atmosphere”. 420,000 years worth.

      Is that OK?

      • 213
        Engineer says:

        You tell me.

        That’s my point. It’s one piece of data. Are we basing an entire analysis, conclusion and political action on one piece of data? Or has it been independently verified by other ice-cores from other parts of the world? Is ice-core data incontrovertably accurate?

        Do we really know enough, yet?

        • 423
          Obama is a Twat says:

          Jeremy Clarkson peed at the North Pole after driving there in a huge 4X4. What does that tell us?

          • Engineer says:

            It tells us that Jeremy Clarkson peed at the North Pole after driving there in a huge 4×4.

            Presumably, there was something solid enough to drive a huge 4×4 over without it falling in the Arctic Ocean. Ice, maybe?

          • Markybruv says:

            It tells us he drove a suitable vehicle.

          • Kroutdick says:

            Did he see any polar bears ?

            That’s what I want to know.

      • 289
        Anonymous says:

        Good example. 7.8mm a year. So how many years are sampled in each gas analyses? How can you even cut them accurately?

        The answer is about 1m. So that is over 100 years averaged.

        So you could have 20 years of very warm temperatures and no one would ever know!

        Note: Since you are looking for air in bubbles in ice of which 400 ppm is CO2. Then they are looking from that for the ratio of isotopes, one of which is 1.2% of that. The value changes are 1% of that.

        Since the deposit rate on the area is weather dependent say a factor of 10. So the practicalities of seeing a 20 year warm period is ZERO.

        Ice provides no proof that the recent weather is not natural.

        • 414
          Glaswegian says:

          I have been sceptical about man made global warming because I suspect that CO2 concentrations are a following indicator of warming, not a leading indicator. In other words, the CO2 concentration in the atmosphere has risen because of warming, not the other way round.
          If you heat a glass of tonic water, all the CO2 comes out because the solubility of a gas in water falls as temperature goes up.
          Climate change happens, the fossil record proves it.
          The effect of human activity on the rate or direction of climate change is unproven, in my opinion.

      • 758
        CHIPPY says:


  27. 44
    Tardkiller says:

    to be fair, i thing governments have only just jumped on the bandwagon in the last few years. The people pushing this agenda have manage to get the public worried too and the politcians have just followed suit.

    Conveniently this is wrapped up in the overall ‘green’ message about recycling, waste, localised energy scources and yes.. renewables (although no-one mentions Geo-thermal as there is no money in it… tell that to Ordnance Survey who’s new HQ is going to be entirely self sufficient)

    • 105
      P. Stoff says:

      No-one mentions geo-thermal because it doesn’t work.

    • 114
      ian e says:

      Actually I believe it was Maggie Thatcher who set up the CRU in an endeavour to make life tough for the miners. A perhaps justifiable way to hit at the Arthur Scargills of this world – but, good heavens, it has backfired!!

      • 189
        Anonymous says:

        And that is why we all think Coal is bad.

        But if you look at gas it is worse.

        All new gas to this country comes the LNG route. So you bore a hole in the ground and out comes gas. Sadly this is not methane. Some holes produce 80% CO2 and a little hydrocarbons. Guess where all that CO2 ends up.

        Then we use large amounts of the gas to liquefy and purify the gas.

        Then we use oil and the vented liquefied gas to drive the ships engines to get to the UK from the other side of the world.

        Then in the UK we burn gas to turn the LNG to gas.

        Then we burn gas to pump it to the powerstation.

        Doing a full analysis and the fact that our coal is higher quality we should be burning coal in modern powerstations and without carbon capture it would still be better than gas.

        (Anyone know how much gas escapes into the atmosphere during all this. Since if you believe CC, it is 10 times worse than any CO2. Think how hard the water companies work to keep water in pipes)

        Those that just compare the burn efficiency of the powerstation are deluded. But that is Thatcher’s legacy

      • 192
        move along, nothing to see says:

        It started with Maggie, not our fault.

  28. 46
    J Mitchell says:

    Is global warming occurring? Yes. Is it entirely man made? No, the planet has been here before many times (and hotter) well before there was any industrial process to account for the changes. Are man made emissions having an effect on the rate of change? Probably. Will the planet recover? Certainly. Will we survive as a species? Who knows, but we do seem to be remarkably adaptable. Does it matter? That depends on how quickly the change occurs and how it affects me and my children! Otherwise – no.

  29. 50
    Pat says:

    Pedantic point- it wasn’t North greenland the vikings settled

  30. 54
    GWAE says:


    Superfreakonomics – subtitled – “Global cooling, patriotic prostitutes and why suicide bombers should bUy life insurance” is another fantastic book on economics laid bare in simple terms for the layman to understand.

    You can read about why it’s more dangerous to walk home drunk than to drive home drunk or indeed why experiments with monkeys had to be ended due to their behavioural changes when money was introduced into their community.

    Superfreakonomics shines a light on the subtleties that incentives have on human behaviour and explains why certain things occur. They uncover the truth surrounding the infamous, Genovesse murder in New York and the connection between TV and crime in India and the US.

    The chapter on cooling the globe is fascinating as it raises the question about what we as humans are prioritising and whether it is the correct approach, especially as there are plenty of cheaper alternatives.

  31. 57
    The Boys & Girls who cried Wolf says:

    It it now time to tell the Left to fuck off, they have had their chance, we have listened, modified behavoir and it all turns out to be a crock of shit, finance, social engineering, environment – a complete bucket of turds

  32. 59
    iain,ni says:

    So, in the light of this, when are the Conservative Party going to review thier policies?

  33. 62
    Chutney Rumble says:

    It is freezing in Dudley

  34. 64
    Anonymous says:

    The Green/Red lobby is just another example of politics getting to involved in science – an earlier one that killed millions was Lysenkoism, where the Soviet union rejected modern genetics and used the state to suppress scientific opposition like geneticist Nikolay Vavilov who died in the Gulag, millions of peasant farmers starved as this centralised pseudo science forced them to farm according to the new big centralised idea. The Green/Red lobby is only in the foothills of what Lysenko achieved in the USSR to destroy science and starve the people but with centralised politics and science the UK is a great environment for this sort of disaster to flourish.

  35. 69
    Hugh Janus says:

    Good stuff Guido! This is the new, and extremely expensive, religion now strangling those countries who should know better.

    Whatever happened to the hole in the ozone layer (presumably fixed by the warmists) or the acid rain that would be the end of civilisation?

    And has anyone told them that trees give up the CO2 at night that they absorbed in the daytime? Another ‘inconvenient truth’ I suppose….

  36. 74
    anon anon anon anon..... says:

    Thanks Guido et al. We have to keep this on the front burner.
    It’s about time some of the folk at CRU had second thoughts about keeping quite and accidentally left a few disks on Guido’s doorstep.

  37. 75
    Anonymous says:

    Guido, step away from the crack pipe. How exactly are windmills going to bring down capitalism?

  38. 76
    Dave says:

    Al Gore and his cronies try to silence debate by saying the science is proved and there’s no time to debate the isuue.
    Blair, Brown and his cronies tell parliament that the facts are proved and there’s no time for debate.
    The other similarity is the dependency culture that both the AGW brigade and Nulab are building. Scientists depend on funding. He who pays the piper calls the tune. They say “This is what we want to tell the world. Go find some proof”

    Just like Bliar pre-Iraq invasion.

    We have more to fear from extreme cold than global warming.

    • 186
      iain,ni says:

      Anyone able to locate that ITN report by Mark Austin during their week of reports from the Arctic…..his first words were along the lines of ‘the debate is over, you are the cause of climate change’

  39. 82
    Anonymous says:


    Oct 12: somebody sends the climategate e-mails to BBC journalist Paul Hudson.

    So did a BBC journalist have this information for a full month before the whistleblower put it on Air Vent?

    The BBC sat on this story for a month and did NOTHING


    • 144
      who dunit says:

      DUH…..wadda you think, xmas.. turkeys..

    • 147
      QuestionEverything says:

      Staus Quo, wouldn`t want to rock the boat.

      Too many reputations are on the line and sadly nothing will be done imo.

      • 167
        BBC excuse-maker-in-chief says:

        we weren’t sure about the legality of publishing ‘stolen’ emails

        – Jo Moore and a ‘good day to bury bad news’?

        – McBride and Dolly slurs?

        yeah, well, I wasn’t working that day.

    • 432
      Obama is a Twat says:

      This would be the SAME BBC that knew about the 7/7 bombers and did nothing, this would be the SAME BBC that knew about Livingstone’s dodgy friend for nearly a year before the Evening Standard blew the gaff on him.

      The BBC are c@nts, Roger Harrabin is a c@unt.

      The BBC preach about climate change yet are one of the biggest polluters on the planet.

    • 787
      Kroutdick says:

      All of ‘em are Lefties, and right behind the Scam !

  40. 90
    Thierry Henry says:

    enough with ze hot air English limp wrist types.

    up against the wall motherfucking criminal scamming climate scientists.

    say hello to Ceausescu in hell.

  41. 93
    QuestionEverything says:

    “An observatory that has been measuring sun cycles for over 200 years predicts that global temperatures will drop by two degrees over the next two decades as solar activity grinds to a halt and the planet drastically cools down, potentially heralding the onset of a new ice age.

    While the mass media, Al Gore and politicized bodies like the IPCC scaremonger about the perils of global warming and demand the poor and middle class pay CO2 taxes, both hard scientific data and circumstantial evidence points to a clear cooling trend.

    How man-made global warming advocates will spin this one remains to be seen – maybe they will just continue to adopt their current tactic by claiming that any geological or weather event whatsoever, be it hurricanes, earthquakes, droughts or floods, temperature increase or decrease, and even a 30 per cent growth of the polar ice cap – is a result of that evil life-giving gas that we exhale – CO2.

    China recently experienced its coldest winter in 100 years while northeast America was hit by record snow levels and Britain suffered its coldest April in decades as late-blooming daffodils were pounded with hail and snow on an almost daily basis. The British summer has also left many yearning for global warming, with temperatures in June and July rarely struggling to get over 16 degrees and on one occasion even dropping as low as 9 degrees in the middle of the afternoon”
    *Alex Jones*

  42. 96
    anon anon anon anon..... says:

    The King is in the ALLTOGETHER………………..

  43. 101
    junkkmale says:

    But… I saw Mr. Miliband saying on Newsnight last week that ‘the science was settled’ and that the public were really being a pain by not getting on board with his and his merry crew’s ‘plans’, all based on ‘special stuff’ that might not be so special after all.

    Fills you with confidence as he scampers off to Copenhagen with a glee club including 35 BBC highly qualified and objective journos in tow to ensure the ‘correct’ message gets broadcast, doesn’t it?

    I am one who does see the negative effects of a deteriorating global climate as worthy of investigation, with pragmatic (a lot under that caveat) action and possibly mitigations through reasonable investments in efficiencies and reductions of waste as well worth considering, but the near-consistent hypocritical tripe being bum’s rushed through by clearly incompetent entities in the name of fighting the bizarely mis-labelled notion of (man made – as another topic) ‘climate change’ is astounding.

    • 788
      Kroutdick says:

      Have you seen him holding that bent banana ?

      I didn’t like that smile on his face.

      AND, I wouldn’t want to meet HIM down a dark alley.

  44. 103
    BillyBob poops on ZaNuLab says:

    Climate Change? Global warming? Just another excuse to tax us until the pips squeak !!!!

  45. 117
    Anonymous says:

    Perhaps this goes some way to explain the academics’ love of Global Warming or Climate Change or whatever its new name will be. If you download the emails there is also a folder called “Documents”. Inside there is a PDF file called “defra”. It is a proposal to defra for a project that will …

    “This project will provide a prototype system capable of delivering ground-breaking climate change scenarios to the public and policy makers via the web. This will enable interaction with probabilistic climate datasets in a manner that the user can pose a useful question and receive a response that is both informative and retains the uncertainty inherent in climate change predictions. In the follow-up project the deployed system will allow decision-makers and industry to plan their strategies in response to indicative predictions of future climate.”

    The more interesting part is that it is going to cost just under a million and these are the main beneficiaries

    Dr B Lawrence (Project Lead) Band 2 – 108 days at £750/day
    Mr A Stephens (Technical Lead) Band 4 – 258 days at £511/day
    Dr K Marsh (LINK Manager) Band 4 – 300 days at £511/day
    Ms S Latham (Project Manager) Band 4 – 43 days at £511/day

    Met Office Hadley Centre:
    Science Support Role – 312 days at £356/day
    Technical Development Role – 86 days at £356/day

    Newcastle University:
    Mr G Hobona – 323 days at £355/day
    Mr P James – 22 days at £399/day
    Technical Asst – 32 days at £103/day

    University of East Anglia:
    Professor P Jones – 2 days at £344/day
    Dr C Harpham – 105 days at £166/day

    nice work if you can get it , and this was due to run from Feb 2007 to July 2008. I have no idea if it was approved but probably one or three others were.

  46. 119
    Carry On Don't Lose Your Head (1967) says:

    Spot on Guido. The question now, are the left/globalists likely to go for broke, a do-or-die before they are rumbled by the man in the street? It does look like their game is up – if Palin is US President in 3 years, which looks likely, they are KO’d for a generation.

  47. 120
    Eileen Critchley says:

    My knickers are fair trade.

  48. 123
    Peter Watson says:

    Red to |Green Guido? No. They are both – watermelons the lot – green on the outside and red on the inside.

    Most of the people running the EU are Marxists. Globaloney about greenhouse gases which make up 0.03% of the atmosphere – (we breathe mainly nitrogen folks) is a precursor to global tax and global government. We must fight to expose these liars because we are fighting for our lives.

    I can’t figure out why commie Ron is one but I suspect this is because he never studied science at school.

  49. 124
    Hugh Janus says:

    I always thought that David Bellamy was another ‘warmist’ who was as mad as a box of frogs. However, I see in the DT mag last weekend that even he no longer believes in man-made global warming. He’s gone up a notch or two in my estimation.

    • 148
      Markybruv says:

      Bellamy never believed that global warming was caused by people OR CO2, He wound a lot of scientists up the wrong way with his beliefs.

      Why do you think we’ve not heard from his hairyness in ages, Bellamy ALWAYS used to be on the beeb talking about something or other.

      Bellamy don’t fit anymore.

    • 158
      who dunit says:

      You got that wrong, he was made a heritic for saying man made global warming was a hoax. The establishment dropped him like a hot potatoe

      • 298
        Plato says:

        Indeed – the resident scientist/botanist/nature programme frontman never appeared on the BBC again.


        • 345
          Susie says:

          Bit like John Noakes on Blue Peter… suppose he didn’t fit in with the gay orgiastic, cocaine-fuelled lifestyle the BBC expects from those in charge of forming young minds.

      • 462
        Animal says:

        Quite so, he’s been made a social pariah by the faceless liars running this convenient little show.

        He isn’t the only one either. Plenty more people have questioned the global warming conspiracy and been shunted swifftly out the door for daring to ask awkward questions.

        What is amusing is the choice of the title for Al Gore’s little puff piece. The ‘inconvenient truth’ appears to be far removed from the arguments put forward by the controlling little zealots who wish to rule our lives.

  50. 133
    Anonymous says:

    Too many billions and bureaucratic empire building are at stake to let this little baby go I’m thinking.

  51. 135
    Hazel Blears - Postman Pat in Drag says:

    It is a big western conspiracy, but it is a necessary one. How do you change the consumption habits of a whole continent of people in order to increase the security of their energy supply. In so doing it also creates a new industry with which to propel growth and sell to the world…

    It is all a lie, however it is a wholly necessary one.

    • 155
      Hugh Janus says:

      “It is all a lie, however it is a wholly necessary one.”

      No – as a lie it has seriously damaged the cause of energy conservation, which many fully support.

      • 489
        WobblyJim says:

        Now Huge, why did you coin that phrase “energy conservation” ?

        This term is ripe for mis-use by the AGW team as they must be frantically scrambling for a new bullet point & catch phrase now that
        Global warming was dropped for
        Man Made Climate change will now become
        Energy Conservation… or similar bullshite.

        This whole issue urgently needs to be put on a back burner and the bogus legislations passed because of it need to be dumped. The perpetrators of this massive fraud need to be introduced exposed and investigated – properly not by the team of government decorators.

        There are plenty of serious issues that should be addressed which are causing millions of people real distress, starting at home – fix these first. I don’t mean wheelie bins either, just think, all the crap coming at us over re-cycling, HIPS, automotive emission scales, tax bands for gas guzzlers the list is endless…

        All based on dogma and purely bogus science.

        EVERYTHING Labour has done since it seized power has been built upon deceit, lies and theft.

    • 480
      udderly 'orrible says:

      “How do you change the consumption habits of a whole continent” –
      You whose parteh banned smoking should know that, Blearydeary.

    • 504

      Hazel Blears. Whatever happened to her, the self-appointed Minister For Telling The People What The People Want.

  52. 136
    Chunky (the man with the pineapple bollocks) says:

    The manner in which any alternate point of view is suppressed is worrying. This country is going to embark on the most radical and expensive changes since the industrial revolution and all I see are the usual left wing suspects given a media platform with no opposition.
    Make no mistake, a move to a carbon free society is going to cost lives. Probably more than would die as a result of climate change.

  53. 137
    CRU data fiddler says:

    Vist for a laugh at eco-loon’s expense.

  54. 146
    ThousandsOfMilesAway says:

    By the way, well done for giving this some daylight, Guido. It’s been a slow-burner in the blogosphere for a few days now, but large sections of the MSM have been shamefully slow to run with it.

    Whatever comes out of it, this subject is far too important not to now be given thorough and ongoing public scrutiny. Open source, if you will.

    (White) hats off to whoever the brilliant individual was who made these documents available.

  55. 151
    They're all at it says:

    It’s such a shame that this detracts from the key question.

    How do we build a sustainable energy source for the (very) long term? In the UK, we’re lucky to be sitting on lots coal (100 yrs or so), but not everywhere has that option.

    Is there another (or combination of) option that would provide cheap energy for many, many future generations. Nuclear, wind, coal-fired, solar…etc. All the above…?

    When “scientists” are fiddling their numbers as much as an MP fiddles their expenses it begins to question to need in the first place.

    The simple fact is that energy costs are too expensive currently and will only get more expensive in the future – that is what needs to be resolved.

    • 190
      CRU data fiddler says:

      Energy costs are expensive because of TAX – pure and simple.

      • 225
        They're all at it says:

        Not all countries have the draconian punitive tax burden that we have in the UK.

        So although I agree with you, I would probably want to correct you a little.

        Energy costs are expensive. UK energy costs are outrageously expensive, because of tax!!

      • 242
        streamfisher says:

        Remember when Gordon took another one of his flights of delusion to Saudi Arabia over the oil price (as if opec were going to give away cheap oil just to get Brown out of a political fix) and he was laughed at by the Sheiks who pointed out that it was his Government that took 70 pence tax out of every pound we pay for fuel.

      • 510

        And lock of government control of rapacious energy sellers. We are paying nearly 2k pa on a mid-terrace house with pretty good insulation. Daylight robbery.

    • 321
      Engineer says:

      There is no such thing as “cheap” energy. There never has been, and there never will be. However you get it, there are costs involved, and one way or another, the energy user pays the costs. Neither is there a simple “magic bullet” answer to the energy supply problem. What works in one part of the world isn’t necessarily suitable in another.

      Whatever happens, whatever science and technology develops, whatever markets decide, you’ll pay for the energy you use. Get used to it.

  56. 165
    Mr Wright says:


    BBC journalist Paul Hudson has had these emails since Oct 12

    The BBC sat on this story FOR A FULL MONTH


  57. 166
    Oxford Don(from Cowley not Balliol) says:

    Will “Dave” raise this at PMQs – What do you think ?

    • 205
      mondeoman says:

      Which subjcet do you pick, there has been so many in the past week alone, forget the historical stuff, the banks, the £60 billion issue, the floods and the response, climate change information manipulation etc. The questions are never answered anyway, brown is an apology of a PM, time to go.

  58. 168
    TheBigYin says:

    The exact methodology was/still is used to malign those that deny there is any co-relation between SHS (Second Hand Smoke) and non smokers health. Remember the 30 minute heart attack scenario? It is now hard to tell the difference between real science and junk science because of the ‘vested interests’ and fake charities churning out lies, damn lies and statistics.

  59. 169
    who dunit says:

    Energy cost are too expensive because of the taxes on them, its not about supply, think ships (circa 50) anchored up around UK waiting for the price to be right before discharging, this is going on all around the world.
    Energy is cheap, taxes make it expensive.

  60. 172
    anon anon anon anon..... says:

    Oi!! You lot at the CRU…..stop shredding and say something….you know it’s the right thing to do. Your fucked anyway so fill a few CDs and sell them to the Telegraph

  61. 177
    caesars wife says:

    Oh dear still in recession ! chicken supreme court enjoys bankers hospitality, alan johnson says after 12 years we must do more to stop violence on women , CW wants to know how many cabinet members are contemplating a sex change to hide there identity !!

    surely couldnt be because its pMQs , aww poor gordy wardy getting bashed by orrible man with questions and calling him incompetant lying tosser for 1o mins . I think dave can load at least 4 suggest aiming at steerage , but if on periscope other targets, have a try for them as well ,if main gets hit correctly .

    re post CW is still in a tizz over CRU emails , still prepared to back global warming theory , alas guido your post doesnt seem to want to point out what effect the gulf stream has on our cliamte , nor do you admit global cooling theory is based on weaking ocean currents (which shift heat around) which is what is thought to happen when polar caps melt .

    Is CRU in trouble ?? yes some of us are F********g livid that they have had all the resources of taxpayer funded and met office data , there models have been used in nearly every make you cry film , including Inconveinient truth (oh the irony of that) 11th hour , day after tommorow and the other one where it shows earth trashed .

    Do i stand by pollution aspects are harming planet , yes no doubt , is man made global warming taking place ??? well if it isnt then the oceans must be absorbing far more heat than we understand , and we may not be out it yet .
    The peice of atmosphere that life exists in on this planet is the volume of the moon , tropical , antartic , rain, snow ,wind respiration , photosynthesis all occures in this slim covering of gasses reletivley close to planet surface (go to everest base base camp not much growing and not much O2) > It is not that bigger volume of gas that mans activities cannot affect it .

    • 188
      G Brown Esq says:

      Only 11 days 22 hours 5 minutes 57 seconds to “Save the World”.

      Rest assured I am working tirelessly to save the planet – “Itis THE right thing to do!”

      • 216
        G Brown says:

        I have saved the planet already – there is no danger any more! I have personally outed these people to show they were wrong on climate change and wrong on the causes of climate change. It started in America

      • 237
        Joy Wendy Endcomes says:

        So you’ll be going then. And not a moment too soon.

  62. 181
    Dave Griffiths says:

    Dear oh dear, what drivel. Please stick to political gossip Guido.

    I’m not sure why Global Warming has become a political football with everyone taking sides – “the left” on one side, “the right” on the other (and how childish to think in such simplistic terms anyway). The scientific community is pretty much united on this. Yes, a couple of people at the CRU made a bad call but that doesn’t immediately invalidate the work of thousands of other people. I can only assume they felt under extreme pressure from the hordes of GW deniers banging on their gates.

    But now that the subject has left the scientific arena and entered the political hothouse, all the nutters have come out to play. Some of the comment reminds me of those poor deluded BNP supporters who are convinced that immigrants are getting more benefits than them. That’s what they think and no amount of “well actually, here are the figures” will dissuade them otherwise.

    Why does the subject get people so worked up, especially on the anti GM side? Why are you all so absolutely determined that it’s all rubbish, a conspiracy, etc? Is it because the response to it might threaten your lifestyle?

    • 246
      who dunit says:

      Because we are being made to pay a lotta dosh for a bunch of lies. I dont know how you feel having your pocket picked but I for one would want to give the fuckers a jolly good thrashing.

    • 261
      QuestionEverything says:

      “Is it because the response to it might threaten your lifestyle?”

      Not threaten but dictate.

    • 269
      Markybruv says:

      I think you have this site mixed up with another……new statesman perhaps.

      • 351
        DelBoy says:

        I am an ordinary Joe with O level sciences but where did the misrepresentation start? Hole in the Ozone? CFC’s? Lead in Petrol?
        Can an inteligent scientists enlighten me please?
        It seems to me there is generally a problem which needs to be resolved, not used as usual to raise tax or allow petrochemical businesses and other heavy industry to foul the environment and walk away.

    • 331
      Attila the Hun says:

      Then do some research: can I suggest the 450 skeptical peer reviewed papers here

    • 507
      udderly 'orrible says:

      Perhaps because the taxpayer-funded research at the University involved and conspirators at the equally taxpayer-funded Met Office appear to be the PRIMARY source for every other climate change religionist on the planet.

      The data sets are apparently sparse and contentious, the on-message scientists are peer reviewing each other and excluding outliers.

      The global economy appears to be held hostage by a small group of PRIMARY data sources (indulging in questionable “scientific method”) in and around the Met Office and funded by the British taxpayer!

      Bizarre or just more McWatermelonary ?

    • 530

      It won’t threaten my lifestyle, but BILLIONS of people who are finally working their way out of miserable poverty in China and India are just being told to go back to growing rice and starving to death. By rich people

    • 546
      thick as thieves says:

      dave griffiths the spastic said -
      “Why does the subject get people so worked up, especially on the anti GM side?”
      well dave, the pesticides that are used on GM crops poison the soil.
      if we poison the soil we can’t grown any food and people will starve.
      try to keep up dave you fucking cretin.

    • 658
      barefootcontessa says:

      181,… true!

    • 789
      Kroutdick says:

      Is that Dave Griffiths a plant ? And I don’t mean a hollyhock either.

  63. 183
    Flatcap Army says:

    The best term I’ve seen for those who have latched onto AGW as a quasi-religion following the failure of socialism is “watermelons” – green on the outside, red on the inside.

  64. 191
    ian e says:

    So George Monbiot is the first of the rats to try to get off the sinking ship! Well, at least he is quicker on the uptake than any of the politicians seem to be (or, of course, the BBC).

    The smart position now for journalists and politicians must be to shift to the blame-it-all-on-the-scheming-scientists-we-thought-we-could-trust-them-when-they-said-their-friends-described-them-as-regular-kinds-of-guy position!

    • 224
      Mr Wright says:

      BBC journalist Paul Hudson has had these emails since Oct 12

      The BBC sat on this story FOR A FULL MONTH

  65. 196
    purpleline says:


    I believe we are in mortal danger; the west took its eye off the ball when the Berlin wall came down, our political masters claimed victory over communism. What in fact happened was we won a battle not the War, Communism and Marxism went underground and attacked us in our soft underbelly. Stasi operatives flooded into the west and inside the EU where they pushed their agenda through a compliant socialist political movement.

    I agree they all jumped on the Green agenda and those with Marxist or controlling agenda’s were inspired, they want to share our wealth with the poor people of the world. Not by raising standards in those countries; that project has failed, so we now have people standing up in parliament yesterday (Milliband Junior) shouting down Climate change as deniers and worse Prescott actually making a statement to parliament where he let slip that climate change was our fault in the west and we must reduce our growth in the future to bring the standards of the poor countries up.

    A direct result of Green taxes is lower growth rates in the west and industrialised nations as we shackle our economies in straightjackets and send our wealth overseas.

    What is remarkable and shows the left up for what they really are is their support for Nuclear Energy, now it wrapped in Green paper. Very similar to the Irish Republicans who fought to rid themselves of the British, only to be handed over politically, lock stock and barrel to the EU. You really could not make it up.

    • 272
      Markybruv says:

      F***ing spot on !!!

    • 320
      Anonymous says:

      Are you wealthy if you are in debt?

    • 352

      The problem for socialists is that you cannot “share” wealth, you can extort cash for the poor, but you DESTROY wealth in the process.

      Wealth is created by the free and mutual exchange of time (to both parties benefit). When you harm that you harm the economy.

      Over time the economy degrades and you start to need a debt bubble to hide the damage…

  66. 200
    CRU data fiddler with a P45 says:

    I cannot lose my job!!

    How the hell can I afford to fly overseas first class at tax-payer expense on Climate junkets?

    How will I afford a first class flight for a holiday in Mauritius?

    • 204
      3rd World shit hole despot says:

      You got problems?

      Who am I gonna scam fr more dollars for my Swiss bank account?

  67. 202
  68. 212
    Master Baiter says:

    What if there is man made climate change?

    • 226
      Newly Qualified Student with a degree in AGW says:

      While the eco-loon they have spent upwards of 50 Billion dollars of taxpayers looking for it and found no evidence, some hacker spent an hour on the web and found evidence that it was made by the CRU.

      Interestingly when you say Climate Change do you mean the global warming that stopped 10 years ago (as confrimed by the CRU) , or the cooling that has accelerated over the last 2 years (as confirmed by the CRU)?

      • 315
        Master Baiter says:

        Don’t quibble.
        What if there is man made climate change?

        • 348
          JMT says:

          Not quibbling – serious question.

          When you say Climate Change do you mean the global warming that stopped 10 years ago (as confirmed by the CRU – and others) , or the cooling that has accelerated over the last 2 years (as confirmed by the CRU and others)?

          It is almost universally admitted that most of the rise of .7 during the 20th century has vanished over the last 2 years.

          Climategate has exposed the efforts made by a small coterie to hide that warming had stopped, denigrate anyone who queried whether warming had stopped and have editors fired from journals that expressed any deviation from the rising temperatures meme. THEY KNEW FOR 10 YEARS.

          This is major stuff – many governments’ investment, fiscal and energy policies depend on the truth. Car companies are struggling (or have gone bust) due to excessive motoring taxes, businesses are relocating outside of the EU because of energy taxes, businesses have folded because of energy taxes, old folk are dying of hypothermia because of energy taxes, and the list goes on.

          The whole thing needs to be properly and openly examined. The current organisations (and personnel) are too badly tainted. E.G. the IPCC was set up to PROOVE AGW, not to find out if it existed – what are they going to say?

          We have ended up with Policy driven Evidence, NOT Evidence driven Policy. It demeans science, it betrays governments and it impoverishes us.

        • 355

          The question is then how much, and is it harmful?

          Warming would actually be beneficial as we would return to the planet longer term average.

          See the video above, there’s nothing unusual about the climate or climatic variability at the moment, except it’s a little cold.

        • 556
          thick as thieves says:

          climate change has happened and will continue to happen whether man is on the earth or not.
          and it is interesting to note you use the term climate change instead of global warming.
          if there is man made global warming, which the evidence suggests not as temperatures are decreasing, then we will need to stop cutting down trees and grow millions more in order to convert the CO2 into oxygen.
          simple, innit.
          so people should be paid money by the government to grow trees and orchards etc.
          if you really did give a fuck about the planet then you would stop wasting your and our time hassling the poor British taxpayer and tell the south americans to stop chopping down the rain forests.
          next question please.

    • 230
      caesars wife says:

      as in ??

      what if there is open a tin of castlemain 4X and watch the footie more fun


      What if the data is telling some truths about globale warming theory !

    • 251
      Chunky (the man with the pineapple bollocks) says:

      Then it should be weighed up against the benefits of a carbon based society which has delivered prosperity and increased life expectancy for billions of people.

  69. 215
    Newly Qualified Student with a degree in AGW says:

    Well that was worth the fucking student loan, wasn’t it?

  70. 218
    Anonymous says:

    Monbiot’s right.
    This one scientist was wrong.
    His data must be independently checked and verified and he must go.

    • 250
      caesars wife says:

      I dont buy into everything monbiot says but I do think if he sneezes plenty of people pay attention , it wants the data sets gone over again , and margins of error calculating , models then need to be explained and scientists who dont want fiddle meeting every month until they have worked it out , this process of veryifying method and analysis is way too slow

      It would be helpfull if models could point way to certain eco losses due to pollution as well as too many people are confusing this with direct pollution problems.

      • 508
        WobblyJim says:

        Let us not forget why scientists fake the results, it is simply because the truth doesn’t fit their sponsor’s agenda or they are going for professional fame via deceit.
        Can’t think of any other reasons, either way means that the truth is suppressed.

    • 253
      Fed Up taxpayer says:

      More than one scientist unfortunately.

      They all sent their homework to be marked by each other – a cabal of about 12 – and then that was sent out for “rubber-stamping” by about another 40-odd “on-side” neutral observers.

      Considering everyone uses the CRU data for the basis of ALL the little playstation climate models there is definitely a major problem.

      I have always tried to draw a distinction between conservationists who seek a middle way and environmentalists who are complete arseholes.

      Unfortunately the next time some-one stands up and says “we have a problem here”, they will have to move heaven and earth to get a fair hearing. Well they supped with devil and now they wil pay.

    • 323
      streamfisher says:

      Was Monbiot right to spend his time producing reams of tedious Green propaganda in the Guardian promoting Windmills and proclaiming the evils of Nuclear power, until his ‘U’ turn
      Windmills good , nuclear bad, windmills good, nuclear bad,
      Windmills good, nuclear better, windmills good, nuclear better.

      • 425
        Eco-Dave shits on you from his windmill says:

        VAT on bicycles and other “green” purchases such as wind turbines and environmentally friendly light bulbs should be cut, David Cameron suggested

      • 442
        Susie says:

        Monbiot’s road to Damascus conversion from wind to nuclear power probably came about when windmills threatened to ruin the view from his Welsh property (they are big on wind power in the Welsh Assembly).

        They don’t like it up them.

    • 393
      P. Stoff says:

      Monbiot is telling us black is white, as ever. This is completely the opposite of “ one scientist”. It’s clear from e.g. the Harry file, that the AGW industry lacks the institutional competence to write reliable code and to handle data sets reliably. What are they going to check, and how the fuck are they going to check it ?

      • 513
        WobblyJim says:

        Open source and free access to data, publicly available.

        – there is NO other way to ensure reality.

    • 660
      barefootcontessa says:

      Monbiot’s right.

  71. 227
    Desperate Dan says:

    Nigel Lawson, the self appointed spokesman for climate change deniers, is just as annoying as the scientists who are prepared to make things up in order to qualify for research grants. There’s nothing remotely unusual about his denials. The vast majority of the very sensible British public could see through the climate change cant with no trouble at all.

    • 273
      Gordon Brown (on derailing the Global Warming gravy train) says:

      It was that bitch Thatchers fault – and it started in America.

      How the hell can I make money once I get turfed out of office next year? that grinning shit Blair has it all sewn up.

      • 283
        Tony Blair (on Gordon Brown derailing the Global Warming gravy train) says:

        You Jonah bastard, that’s another moneyspinning racket you’ve wrecked on me in less than a week.

        Why the hell did I let you near the Treasury??

        • 306
          Lord Rothschjild says:

          Be quiet you blebs. I’ve sunk large sums of money into carbon-offset scams and with the help of a few pliant scientists and bent serving and ex-politicians I intend to increase my considerable fortune. If your government doesn’t kill this story I will make sure they suffer for it.

      • 521
        WobblyJim says:

        Princess Tony is just about to be thrown under the bus.
        You and him have no future,
        Isn’t that why you are still pretending to be Prime Minister ?

  72. 232
    Plato says:

    In case you haven’t seen it yet Senator Inhofe [Ranking member on the Env and Public Works Committee] has started the investigation into ClimateGate

    Letters have gone to all the main players at CRU.

  73. 236
    Rumpole says:

    As a retired chemist who spent a lifetime as an R&D Manager with a well known multinational company that supplied much of it “product” to “the state” I feel able to comment.

    All science today is Subjective science, Objective science has gone.
    The requests are not of the type “how does this occur?” but are more “prove that this is true/untrue”.
    There is little money available for the former, but there is an unending supply of cash for the latter from two sources.
    1. The “bottomless public purse of the exchequer” for political spin and
    2. from commerce and industry, either through “donations to the parties” for past and future favours or direct to the research labs for “proving that…X = Y.”
    A quick look at NICE is revealing, as also is the “second occupation” jocularly described as “Members’ outside interess”.
    Political networking is a warren of cash conduits.
    I have yet to work out the logical justification for the Swiss underground White Elephant or “Mans Destiny in Space”. Both consume vast amounts of public cash with no obvious long term benefits to man, other than employment and kudos to the scientists, and vast sums of money to the manufacturers of hardware.

  74. 239
    Stuart says:

    Totally agree!!

  75. 244
    jrm2 says:

    who gives a sit what loony far-right bloggers think
    in the real world no serious political party in the UK or in the US denies climate change is happening
    that won’t change no matter how many rabid right wingers foam at the mouth and jerk off over over this one scientist’s mistakes

  76. 245

    Theses Greens are foaming-at-mouth evil left Nazis. The parasitic scum are on the ‘Global Warming’ lying shite train, for the gravy.

    The filth in parliament see the global warming scam, as a means to thieve assets from the population (to enrich themselves), to remove liberty from the masses, and to massively tax the poor to give to the non-taxpaying rich, and of course, expand the powers of the big-nosed ruling kleptocracy.

    Greens should be burned (in power stations so we can get a bit of electricity out of the filthy Nazi scum).

    • 305
      Sukyspook says:

      ZNL are merely the UK enablers of global governance (as spoken in the lamestream last week by the new eu prez) on behalf of their global elite masters.

      The Nazis were merely the Alky Aida of their day on one level.

      It’s a long term agenda – the US is the New Atlantis as written about by Sir Francis BACON – swine flu – geddit??

    • 369
      foaming-at-mouth evil left Nazi Cameron says:

      If you want to understand climate change, go and see Al Gore’s film, An Inconvenient Truth.

      Today, I want to tell the British people some uncomfortable truths.

      There is a price for progress in tackling climate change.

      Yes of course low-energy lightbulbs, hybrid cars – even a windmill on your roof can make a difference and also save money.

      But these things are not enough.

      Government must show leadership by setting the right framework.

  77. 247
    Anonymous says:

    Channel4s ‘The great Global Warming Swindle’ is on Youtube in 8 parts.Rip it while it’s hot.


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    [...] comment on this thus far as it’s been more than covered elsewhere. However, prompted by an article on Guido Fawkes’ excellent blog order-order, I took a look at the list of grants received by [...]

  79. 267
    The religion that is AGW says:

    From the Renaissance onward European culture developed an ever-more secular strain of millennialism. In a sense, the longer God tarried, the more humans took over his job of bringing about the perfect kingdom. Utopian and scientific traditions and radical democratic movements such as the French Revolution, radical socialism, and Marxism, as well as Nazism and, in a modified form, Zionism, can all be seen as secular millennial movements. In a sense, totalitarianism may have resulted from millennial movements that seized power, failed in their millennial hopes, and therefore “forced” the perfection of mankind.

    Global warming as a socio-political phenomenon is a form of ‘millenialism’.

    An apocalyptic vision of the future. The need to change the very basis of the social order. Sense of moral righteous of the ‘saved’ and a good way to bash authority for ‘wilfully destroying the planet ‘ and denying the self-evident.

    Marxism, Islam, extreme Christians (a la ‘Born again’ variety), Creationists all share a psychology of current imperfection to be radically overthrown at some future date.

    The ‘Global Warming’ diatribe ‘start your car and somewhere an a penguin suffers’ is infantile nonsense.

    I’m more concerned with security of energy supply and efficiency in its use (and better insulated housing) but for rational reasons not as a product of ideological nonsense.

  80. 276
    AnnonyMousse says:

    As a committed and long standing believer in the fact that since Gordon Brown became PM it has not stopped raining, I would gladly receive public funds to throw him out of office.

    • 455
      Susie says:

      A very astute observation there… it hasn’t stopped raining, every summer’s been crap since 2007 and winter’s mostly mild and wet too. We’ve had at least three towns (Hull, Cockermouth and Keswick) washed into the sea apart from the decision to leave the likes of Walberswick (another Brown family holiday venue) to be eroded into oblivion.

  81. 277
    streamfisher says:

    Been evident for some years that this climate stuff has become a religion akin to the Spanish inquisition, anybody who dared to ask for some solid evidence of these predictions of imminent Armageddon (Brown and Save the World…. from Bankers to Wankers) was and is pilloried as deniers, Nazis etc. Now we find the science is so ‘clear’ cut they need to repress and distort information at every turn, no wonder more and more people are beginning to say; hang on a minute, wont get fooled again?

  82. 278
    Anonymous says:

    The Left is always adopting an issue du jour to give a socialist vanguard credibility. This is afterall how the bolsheviks got power against the odds.

    In the West, naked class war and identity politics failed to win hearts & minds, so the left moved onto green politics. Now that tactic has now failed one hopes socialism is finally in the trashheap together with its close relative: nazism.

  83. 284
    Damian McBride says... says:

    I think I might send my CV to the CRU.

  84. 295
    Sukyspook says:

    The Big Guns are out – Clarkey and five bellies…..not sure I can stomach 90 minutes!! Watch your wallets/purses!

  85. 302
    Mr Benn says:

    Funny how the enviromentalist left wing use ‘Majority’ as a term when it comes to scientists spouting climate change bollocks.
    Since when have the left ever worried as to what the majority think or want.

  86. 313
    GWAE says:

    Professor Gary Shaffer of the Niels Bohr Institute at the University of Copenhagen says that another ice age is sure to come as the Earth’s orbit varies.

    He has suggested that the peoples of the Earth should hold off from burning all the planet’s available fossil fuel supplies over the next couple of centuries, so as to be able to burn them thousands of years from now in order to stave off the next ice age.

    “The Earth’s orbit is nearly circular at present meaning that the present minimum in summer radiation at high northern latitudes is not very deep,” says the prof.

    That’s good news, because when the world takes on a more elliptical orbit – as it does sometimes, on cycles spanning tens of thousands of years – the arctic summer can get very cold. This means that the polar ice sheet grows unchecked, so reflecting more sunlight back into space and thus getting even bigger.

    The result of such a positive feedback loop is an ice age, which is at least as bad as global warming. According to Shaffer “the greatest climate challenge mankind has faced has been surviving ice ages that have dominated climate during the past million years”.

    But there’s no need to panic. By burning fossil fuels, we have already put enough CO2 into the atmosphere to stand off ice ages for 55,000 years. Shaffer thinks it would make sense to save a lot of the remaining fossil reserves for the far future, when we’d need to bump up atmospheric carbon or face life in the deep freeze.

    The prof says that if we carry on as we are now and burn up all the 5 billion tons of fossil fuel remaining over the next couple of centuries, there will be a 5°C rise in temperatures much as global-warming worriers predict, with all the associated problems of rising sea levels, desertification and so on.

    But that will be only temporary. After 170,000 years the Earth will have cooled, the orbit will go elliptical and the polar ice sheets will get out of control. Ice Age.

    On the other hand, says Shaffer, if fossil burning were cut by 20 per cent in 2020 and 60 per cent in 2050 (with respect to 1990 levels) – then reducing down to zero as new technologies became dominant – a very different scenario could play out…………………..

  87. 326
    rob's uncle says:

    Meanwhile, some news just in from the ’reality community’: ‘This year will be one of the top five warmest years globally since records began 150 years ago, according to figures compiled by the Met Office . . Next year we will see the influence of the warming El Nino current, and the Met Office says there is a 50% chance that global temperatures will hit an all-time high.’

    I suppose you want the Met Office and the BBC disbanded too?

    • 340
      Ctesibius says:


    • 359
      JMT says:

      Met Office have been sying the same thing for years.

      A gambler will eventually run out of money if he keeps backing the wrong horse.

      Unfortunately we are bankrolling the Met Office.

      Is no-one there who can think 2Hold on our multi-million taxpayer funded climate computer full of CRU figures is consistantly producing bonk forecasts?

      And if global warming WAS real, unnecessary power users like a publicly-funded TV station would be first in line and the licence fee used to offset further tax rises.

    • 373

      “It’s going to be a BBQ summer!” Met office Jan 2009.


    • 468
      Susie says:

      Not what these guys are saying:;type=winter-forecast;sess=

      “The normal expectation would be for a high end moderate / strong El Nino event to result in an above average temperature for Europe during the winter. However, this has been anything but a typical El Nino event. From its rather unusual evolution where the warmest of the waters have developed further west (most Ninos develop off the coast of Peru and work the warmest waters westwards over time) to weather patterns more indicative of La Nina at times, the El Nino of 2009 / 10 is very atypical.”

    • 555

      Oh FFS. The Met Office were forecasting a scorching summer earlier in the year. They are fucking useless.

  88. 330
    Master Baiter says:

    Is global cooling good?
    Is it bad to deny it?

    Pizza boy Guidiot the Big Oaf!


  89. 332
    Master Baiter says:


    intelligensia = wrong

    intelligentsia = correct

    How stupid is that?

    Thus proving that anything and everything Guidiot the Big Oaf has written or will write is merely mendacious lies.

    Aha! He has been exposed and debunked, close the blog, go back to working in Asda on aisle 44.


    • 363
      Anonymous says:

      Miss Maturbator,

      You sound a teensy bit irked. Not good for trolling.

      • 408
        danny says:

        Precisely, it’s his lot after all that have been caught out fiddling the figures. Quite a familiar pattern emerging here.

        • 424
          Master Baiter says:

          It’s clear that Guidot the Big Oaf has been caught out this time, clearly he has spelt intelligntsia incorrectly, thus proving he cannot be trusted in any information he produces has produced or will produce. It is clear also that he is a pizza boy on the hot food counter in aisle 44 at Asda on the night shift.


    • 503
      Vlad says:

      Baiter gets easily upset, he isn’t even much of a troll.

      • 531
        Master Baiter says:

        Hey dimwit, the language is mirroring the vapid right wing rantings of the dinosaurs on this site.

        Which anomoly thus proves that rain falls in an upward direction.


        • 537
          Master Baiter says:

          Spoofa Baiter.

          Even I’m not as vulnerable and thin skinned as that though I can be quite easily upset.

          Hahahaha hohohohoh hehehehehee

        • 558
          General Election Soon Come says:

          Angry Miss Baiter,

          Calm down and let it go.

          tick tock…

    • 646

      mendacious lies as opposed to truthful lies, yes?

  90. 336
    Tony Brown says:

    These are the political steps since 2005 that are behind this Govts attempts to ‘alter our behaviour’ in order to create a ‘one world’ scenario’ (Labours words) The (very effective to date) smoke screen is the notion of ‘catastrophic climate change.’

  91. 338
    barefootcontessa says:

    OT, Jackie expenses Smith on Daily Politics show…….NOW.

  92. 344
    rick says:

    Under Stalin, the soviet Union ‘proved’ that we are a product of our environment – unlike ‘Capitalist Darwinism’. We are all therefore equal.

    Their chief scientist, a man named Lysenko (I think), showed beyond doubt, that a fir tree grown amongst oaks would take on ‘oak-like’ characteristics. To dispute this, meant a spell in a labour camp – or worse. Not surprisingly, all scientific research under Stalin produced the same results as Lysenko. The present Socialist phonyClimate research environment mirrors almost exactly the Lysenko fraud of the Stalin era.

  93. 356
    A Silent Emission of Bowel Gas says:

    I know fuck all about climate science.

    But since there are probably fewer scientists who doubt global warming than believe there are aliens walking about, I go with the main stream.

    What I think is barmy, is to bankrupt us all now, in trying to stop something which might bankrupt us in fifty years.

    What with nuclear fusion, Saharan sun and tidal sources, all going to happen before then, why the hell bother?

  94. 375
    Evil Communist Marxist Socialist NeoCon Bush even admits the obvious says:

    Bush admits humans cause global warming

    July 06, 2005: During the Group of Eight meeting in Gleneagles, Scotland, President Bush acknowledged — for the first time — that pollution generated by humans is contributing to global warming.

    It’s coz he’s an evil anti-capitalist Socialist Commie-Nazi Oilman innit?

    Fucking paranoid lunatics

    • 400
      streamfisher says:

      Now that is a sign of desperation when you have to resort to holding George Bush up as an intellectual heavyweight.

    • 403
      rudy boy says:

      he may be a bit thick but he finally saw the light………..dollar signs writ large in neon.

      • 509
        Master Baiter says:

        Sometimes I’m too ashamed at what I do to post under my real name.

        Have pity for me as you have for Gordon.

        • 559
          thick as thieves says:

          Sometimes I’m too ashamed at what I do to post under my real name.

          Have pity for me as you have for Gordon.

        • 560
          streampisher is a twat says:

          Sometimes I’m too ashamed at what I do to post under my real name.

          Have pity for me as you have for Gordon.

        • 635
          Master Baiter says:

          2.16, if you steal my name you will not be allowed to join in.

          And since Guido is the only one with the power to make that threat Master Baiter must be Guido in disguise

          admit it, you always wondered didn’t you?

  95. 377
    Prince Rupert says:

    At last, the debate begins. At what point did man made climate change become fact, I simply don’t trust the Gov’t, I dont trust pillocks like George Monbiot, I dont trust that geeky looking twat Ed Millipede, I hate the fascist organisation called the EU, and I dont trust them – any organisation that can hire a total cretin like Neil Kinnock cannot be treated seriously.

    Lets have a debate, out in the open, free and fair – not a Dimbleby/BBC stitch up like the BN*P thing, lets be open and fair and lets VOTE on this, afterall 50% of us have a degree nowerdays and intelligent enough to make up our minds.

    The world is sadly full of lieing shits, especially the public sector people who perptuate these untruths in order to fund their research labs. What ever happened to all those 250,000 people that WERE going to die from CJD as a result of BSE, it NEVER happened, it was all BOLLOCKS. Who was the scientist that has perpetuated this total bollocks for so long.

    • 454
      De Raper Psycho Analyst says:

      Old millibore can get ready, his Doncaster constituency is up for grabs at the election. South Yorkshire has seen through new labour we’ve already replaced the labour mayor. Time to get fucked off back to Londonistan Ed.

      • 549
        WobblyJim says:

        The millipedes and the rest of the labour faithful were all hoping for places at the golden trough of the EUSSR but now that Tone has blown his chance at the EU Pricesseship they must all be wondering how they will ever get another job anywhere ever.

    • 557

      Did you know… All that Tamiflu was going to go past it’s use by date and had to be thrown away before Pork*-Flu suddenly appeared and killed a small number of already ill people which normal flu would have also done.

      * Deliberate

    • 793
      Kroutdick says:

      Oh, is that CJD coming back then ?

  96. 380
    Minekiller says:

    “Many of the enemies of capitalism have merely changed their flag from red to green”

    They also became Light Blue (UN agencies and NGO/fake international development charities) and Pink (gay rights activism)

  97. 388
    .243 Win says:

    Pravda pulling out all the stops now. Freebie Bianca Jagger political broadcast on behalf of warmists.

    • 401
      Anonymous says:

      and the conservative denied it

      • 434
        Care in the Community says:

        They’re all in it together…

        • 453
          Paranoid Nutter says:


          nurse! he’s off his meds again

          • Politicians and Bankers says:

            Financial Global Meltdown.

            Well to be honest, we were all in it together weren’t we?

            Or is that just a conspiracy theory?

          • thick as thieves says:

            ah, the old new labour trick of questioning the mental health of anyone who challenges them.
            how very new labour, how very last century.
            fuck off new labour troll.
            you whore.

          • thick as pigshit says:

            hey retard, wavy Davy is also fully signed up to the green agenda so pretending it’s just Labour just shows how stupendously ignorant you are
            how very thick as pigshite to shout Labour Troll! as the reflex action of a moron
            NuLabour can go fuckthemselves when Brown gets booted out in May
            you fuckwit.

          • thick as thieves says:

            if you were not such a loud mouthed c’unt who likes the sound of their own voice then you would have seen I have already posted that exact point.
            but you better have a word with your fellow new labour war party trolls because they are making the exactly opposite point to the one you just made you fucking idiot.
            FFS get organised you fucking c’unts.

    • 445
      De Raper Psycho Analyst says:

      You’ve got to laugh though, it just makes them look even bigger window lickers than they already are.

      • 512
        Master Baiter says:

        thick as thieves is right, it is a sad old Labout tactic, we have no shame and no self respect.

        The big irony is that we troll for the biggest mental retard of the lot in Gordon Broan, the most paranoid window licker of them all.

        Hahahahaha (on me).

        • 534
          thick as thieves says:

          nah I was only spoutin bullshit and seeing if any of you tory troll fuckers fell for it
          and you did coz you’re a bunch of wankers

          • thick as thieves says:

            don’t steal my name or you will be modded to fuck.
            ps. such poor grammar. you must have been educated by new labour, right?

          • thick as thieves says:

            this is your last warning fucker
            top boy does not take kindly to all these impersonators since there can only be one top boy amongst you retarded spastics
            cease and desist or I will set Guido on to you and you will be modded like a motherfucker, you cun’ts

          • thick as thieves says:

            said the impersonator.

          • thick as thieves says:

            very funny spastic.
            you won’t get another warning so you better have a good excuse ready for when you Guido mods the shit out of you.
            fucking idiot.

          • thick as thieves says:

            3.22pm, you are a thief.
            tick tock tick tock. you are running out of pre-election time and yet you are spending that precious time arguing with me.
            that makes you the idiot, dunnit.
            ha ha.

          • thick as thieves says:

            so we’ve got another pair of cun’ts trying to take on the mantle of top boy? too fucking bad because you don’t have the brains to keep up.
            FFS you two should get a job as a stalkers.
            oh, and you won’t get another chance to impersonate top boy because if you keep this up as I will bash both your fucking skulls in.

          • thick as thieves says:

            3.30pm nice fucking try you thieving cun’t.
            you can take the rest of these spastics and window lickers and shove them up up your impersonating arse. top boy will not be copied by the likes of you.
            now do us all a favour and fuck off, right?

  98. 395
    Man_Made_Myth says:

    Thought Bianca was divorced – so why the Surname?

    Thought after a divorce you burn the photos and slash the clothes

    Chuck out the Hornby before he can collect it

    Throw out the LPs…..

    His gardening tools…

    Bianco who…?

  99. 406

    Absolutely sensational;

    The two schools Cameron mentioned at PMQ’s – the headteachers statement and tbhe curriculum have been taken OFF the school website within the last half an hour – evidenced by The Daily Politics Show.


    Jacquiiiii Smith (even fatter than ever) was totally 100% OWNED by Andrew Neil – totally and utterly done over.

    And we haven’t even got to Clegg’s revelations re the Iraq War Enquiry restrictions that Brown is trying to cover it with.

    What a day!

    • 417
      streampisher says:

      did cameron deny man made climate change at PMQs by any chance ?

      • 433
        Care in the Community says:

        They’re all in it together.

        • 458
          paranoids amongymous says:

          everyone’s in on it!
          the very definition of a paranoid

          no wonder you need care in the community

          • Politicians and Bankers says:

            Financial Global Meltdown.

            Well to be honest, we were all in it together weren’t we?

            Or is that just a conspiracy theory??

          • Master Baiter says:

            By the way the climate change campaigners, that is green campaigners often trustafarians campaign against Co2 trading also, isn’t it?

          • thick as thieves says:

            er no.
            the rothschilds and cameron and osborne are pro carbon trading.
            try to get your facts straight next time you fucking moron.
            ps you do know that the carbon trading scheme was devised by Enron don’t you masterbaiter?
            you fucking spastic.

          • paranoids amongymous says:

            it’s them rothschilds and the bankers and bilgeburgers behind it innit?
            and them lizard people and that 911 woz a set up too innit?
            They’re all in it together!!!

            fucking paranoid nutters

          • Master Baiter says:

            Green campaigners meaning Climate camp and things like that and do not include Osborne and Cameo.

          • thick as thieves says:

            no, it was Enron which designed the carbon trading scheme.
            you cloth eared c’unt.

      • 523
        Bingo says:

        Labour have just sunk even further into their own stinking swamp.

        Who would have thought they could actually sink any further.

        • 552
          WobblyJim says:

          yeah, but their fookin head is not yet below the waterline, but getting closer with each day.

      • 525
        streamfisher says:

        infamy, infamy they’ve all got it in for me. Green swat team out in force.

    • 439
      race_ and _nation says:

      Look at the difference in treatment of the two teaching brothers from the nort east who were sacked for being members or associated with the bn p. They have , I believe lost, or are in the process of losing the right to teach – at all.

      They were not inciting violence. Jacqui Smith fending and proving for the technical right for these schools to openly promote the caliphate and the killing of jews makes me ashamed for England to be the land of my fathers – if I am not racist for saying that ffs.

    • 443
      Anonymous says:

      Brillo was brilliant when he said “don’t try expanding the issue into an area you will be more comfortable in”.

  100. 416
    Raving Loon says:

    Government pays “x” to climate scientists to cook up global warming hysteria so politicians can levy taxes to recoup their bung and hopefully make some interest. Pretty good business model I suppose.

  101. 427
    The IMF is coming says:

    Hey Guido,
    The comments are ‘off’ om PMQ live chat


  102. 440
    Anonymous says:

    Now some people are having the audacity to claim that the freak floods in Cumbria are a result of man made global warming.

    It is this kind of zealous mentality that once upon a time said earthquakes were God’s punishment on homosexuality and plagues were a result of people not giving enough money to the church.

    • 459
      De Raper Psycho Analyst says:

      What is the position now that the church is rammed with fudge packers

    • 543
      Father Abraham says:

      yes the earth has been going for around 4 billion years with all sorts of natural phenomenon, but don’t worry Al Gore, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, the Communist, sorry I mean Green party will save us all from this one. Not sure why Blair bothered for Prez of Europe, should have gone straight for the big one …. God.

  103. 448
    Tony Blair VIP says:

    One of my many important international roles is head of Making Money out of the Bogus Climate Change Scam Organisation.

  104. 460
    The religion that is AGW says:

    Please compare and contrast (as my old History Master would enjoin) the two extracts below concerning the coastal issues of Liberia.

    The first reports the effect of population growth, destruction of protective mangroves and ‘sand mining’ as causes for coastal erosion in Liberia.

    The second is from the BBC. It’s all about rising sea level and global warming and WE have to pay for sea walls (implied our CO2 is responsible for these poor peoples plight).

    UNEP Report

    Coastal erosion has been severe in Monrovia, in Buchanan and Greenville as a result of land-based activities.
    Between 1981-1997, about 100miles of beaches have been lost. Among the causes are sand-mining, harbour and hydro-dam construction. In terms of mangrove areas which serve as a breeding ground for some marine resources, exploitation of the mangrove species is gradually increasing because of the need of firewood, as a result of increasing population growth.

    BBC Report 25 November

    The country, which has been devastated by years of civil war, is now facing a second major threat – the ocean.

    The United Nations Development Programme say the changing climate means the sea level is rising and the rainy season is getting longer. This has led to a rapidly eroding coastline and more instances of flooding.

    People living in one of the capital Monrovia’s seaside shanty towns, New Kru Town, say the effects of this are clear – homes have been swept away and lives have been lost.

  105. 463
    Monsanto says:

    We have sold the idea of GM crops to gullible idiots who believe in climate change. Out profits depend

    • 479
      thick as thieves says:

      GM crops damages soil.
      if we keep damaging the soil we will not be able to grow enough food for the global population.
      if we do not have enough food to feed everyone then we will have food wars.
      therefore anyone who lobbies on behalf of GM crops are warmongers.

      • 541
        Master Baiter says:

        GM crops have been imposed on Iraqi farmers.
        GM crops have no yield advantage over conventional crops.
        However frequently they deny farmers the ability to save their own seed.
        This makes the control of and eventual displacement farmers easier.
        In the US this and other measures already have destroyed most family farms.

      • 550
        Anonymous says:

        GM crops damages soil??????

        By needing less herbicides, pesticides, fertiliser or water or how exactly do GM crops “damage soil”?

        Only when it allows more herbicides to be used is it potentially environmentally damaging, and even then it does not affect the ability to grow crops on soil!


        • 570
          Master Baiter says:

          tat is correct, isn’t it?
          GM leads to more monoculture, which damages soil.
          GM will lead to more war.
          GM offers no yield advantage.

        • 582
          thick as thieves says:

          anonospaz: you do know how this evolution thing works don’t you?
          it is dependent upon the different expression of genes. you are arguing in favour of the repression of different phenotypes of plants and therefore you are an anti-evolutionary motherfucker innit.
          you imbecile.

        • 588
          thick as thieves says:

          oh, and the seeds provided by the GM warmongers cannot be used without specific types of soil harmful pesticides.
          as far as I am aware the least soil harmful method of farming is organic.
          you ignorant c’unt.

          • barefootcontessa says:

            Agree with tat, AND MB,…….. must be a first. Monsanto – the ugly face of capitalism.

    • 542
      streamfisher says:

      Not long before you will have to go down to your local warm monger with your carbon emission ration book.

  106. 470
    N18MER says:

    As much as I like the paradoxical label: ‘Global cooling deniers’, I much prefer the one I found in the WSJ yesterday: ‘Warm Mongers’.

  107. 474
    Dave all things to all men says:

    Good post GuidoThe political Left are a really bad bunch.

    But why is Call Me cast iron Dave going along with it?

    • 482
      Gordon ( SoldGoldAtThe ) BottomBrown says:

      Maybe he wants to raise taxes from the gullible in order to fill the massive hole I’m leaving in the public finances when we’re booted out.

    • 566
      WobblyJim says:

      If Dave is really smart he will get ahead of this curve by announcing the suspension of any new eco-legislation and cancel any taxes or other surcharges that have been introduced as a result of bogus and fraudulent science. There is a whole lot of it costing everyone thousands per annum with more and more in the pipeline.

      Buck the trends Dave and really give the people something back, like their own freedoms and their own wealth .

  108. 492
    Amoeba says:

    Having looked at both sides of the argument, I think there does appear to be strong evidence of man-made accelerated climate change (note: “climate change”, not “global warming” which is a phrase that anyone keeping up with the evidence will recognoise is not a phrase that has been used for years). However, taking a very long term view the amount of carbon available to the ecosystem has been depleted for millenia as, firstly, carbon was fixed in fossil fuels and sedimentary and metamorphous rocks, and subsequently absorbed into rocks, which means that eventially, if things continue as they are, life is going to wiped out by lack of carbon dioxide, not too much!

    • 511
      Mr Plum says:

      It appears that every breath we take we exhale carbon dioxide.
      I think a tax on breathing will sort the problem.
      People who exercise must exhale a lot more so bike riders and joggers should be targeted first.

    • 545
      rick says:

      You are aptly named Amoeba if you don’t know the reason for the name change from ‘global warming’ to ‘climate change’ was to avoid having to explain global cooling. That and and the inconvenient truth of the medieval global warming spike.

      • 665
        The UEA stats rigging department says:

        I’ve got a nice little Fourier ‘smoothing’ algorithm here that’ll fuck that MWP right out of the picture.

        Mr Fourier – smoothing out your data – because you’ve got better things to do than admit your data is cherry-picked and your model is completely wrong.

    • 796
      Kroutdick says:


      I’m sorry but I can’t take anymore – I’m going to bed.

  109. 515
    Danny Kaye says:

    President Obamarama just said he’s going to Copenhagen

    Wonderful, wonderful Copenhagen
    Friendly old girl of a town
    ‘Neath her tavern light
    On this merry night
    Let us clink and drink one down
    To wonderful, wonderful Copenhagen
    Salty old queen of the sea
    Once I sailed away
    But I’m home today
    Singing Copenhagen, wonderful, wonderful
    Copenhagen for me
    I sailed up the Skagerrak
    And sailed down the Kattegat
    Through the harbor and up to the quay
    And there she stands waiting for me
    With a welcome so warm and so gay
    Wonderful, wonderful Copenhagen
    Wonderful, wonderful Copenhagen
    Friendly old girl of a town
    ‘Neath her tavern light
    On this merry night
    Let us clink and drink one down
    To wonderful, wonderful Copenhagen
    Salty old queen of the sea
    Once I sailed away
    But I’m home today
    Singing Copenhagen, wonderful, wonderful
    Copenhagen for me

  110. 526
    Anonymous says:

    amazing how easy it is to confuse scientists with paranoid right wing bloggers

    • 561
      Mr Plum says:

      Surely it is the government that are creating the paranoia.
      Most people with an ounce of common sense and reasoning can see it’s all a load of rowlocks

    • 571
      RobC says:

      Amazing how much shite is spouted by tree hugging wxxkers who see an easy buck in the making

    • 594
      Mr RobC Plum fisher is a twat says:

      at least make an attempt to hide your sockpuppeting

  111. 528
    Montes_queue says:

    I do hope something will be put on the blog today about the first major judgement of the “British Supreme Court”on bank charges – that is a smack in the face to natural justice.

    Whatever one’s personal views about how banks ought to gain their profits the honourable lords of the supreme court seem to have been unduly weighed upon by the threat of banks to retaliate by imposing cash machine charges, which would have sent the Bruin administration into a collective tail-spin, since the bank bail-out was enacted on the fear that bank cash machines would no longer be able to service customers.

    Bearing in mind the supreme court was a piece of unfinished reform by Bliar to rid politics of outmoded and undemocratic institutions the moving the supreme decision-making body from a house of unelected privilege a new chamber of elected privilege seems only to confirm that the justice system is now even more vulnerable to bias by aggressive lobbying.

    I venture to suggest that a Lord is eligible to sit on a board of a bank or other similar institution once his term as a supreme judge has finished. I would like some confirmation on this – whether this this true or not.

  112. 529

    I’ll take the results of years of work by scientists, checked and verified in numerous places, over the knee jerk gloating of a bunch of people too selfish to accept they should take responsibility for their actions and too blind to see that increased efficiency (which is the first big step to cutting CO2 emissions) leads to increased savings.

    No, it’s not a conspiracy. If governments were actually doing what they needed to do- rather than being swayed by the wailing of people who obviously don’t know what they’re talking about- they’d be handing autonomy back to individuals and boosting the economy by billions.

    • 591
      WobblyJim says:

      There is NO reason at all to even bother about CO2.
      “CO2 levels in the atmosphere” is a total non-issue.

      CO2 does not even rank on any scale of priority when stacked up against real urgent issues that are affecting millions of real people all over the planet.

      CO2 is beneficial to nature, plant life (food) in particular thrives on increased levels of CO2.

      People are dumbly memorising bullet points to regurgitate without having to think about what they are actually saying.

      Repeating the mantras of bent politicians and bogus science. It is nothing more than social engineering on a massive scale and the climate change scam has just been busted.
      This is not a minor issue now it has the potential to change the world in a very positive way.

    • 593
      thick as thieves says:

      there is more than one way to skin a cat you fucking moron.
      growing more trees will absorb the levels of CO2.
      so we just need to grow more trees, taxation is not necessary.

  113. 536
    Some time in the future says:

    Westminster Abbey – The Year 2109.

    A Father takes his son on a tour of the Abbey;

    “And Daddy – whose grave is THAT one?”

    “Son,that’s the grave of the Known Fraudster – Gordon Brown”

    “And what did he do,Daddy?”

    “He was an unelected Prime Minister who was eventually taken away by some men in white coats when he refused to accept the election result of May 2010″

    “Is that the election my teacher has to teach our class about because it is a legal requirement for all children to learn about this horrible evil man?”

    ‘That’s right,son – his Labour Party lost 92% of their seats but he refused to leave Downing St, so the police had to use tear gas to get him out.He then tried to attack a television reporter called Adam Boulton with a pair of unused training shoes.”

    “And what happened to this “Labour Party” thingy Daddy?”

    “Well,eventually all the ring leaders were rounded up – one of them called Harriet Harman was banished to the Isle of Man for some obscure reason…she died within a few years from insanity and the Labour Party was no more – it took the country several decades to recover from their treason.

    Now son,lets go over the road to the QE2 Centre,we can watch the Iraqi War Enquiry which is in it’s 100th year of session,evidently that nasty man Blair is still making his opening remarks”

    “Great Dad,can we have an ice cream first – what a strange looking ice cream man,Daddy and such a strange name – Ball’s Ice Cream?”

  114. 551
    Inconvenient Truth says:

    Guido, you are spot on with this blog item. The CRU has shamed British Science, and reduced the reputation for British scientists for probity.

    • 573
      Javelin says:

      Agreed – It’s quite simple

      1) Show us the Raw Field Data.
      2) Show us all your non-personal emails going back 10 years .

      When you make APOCALYPTIC CLAIMS and demand BILLIONS in TAX PAYERS money then you’d better get your facts ABSOLUTELY squeaky clean and STRAIGHT.

      The ENVIRONMENTAL debate is starting to sound like a big FAT LIE to pay for lots of LABOUR LUVVY play projects – like killing business.

      • 743
        climate carnage survivor says:

        They ( Hadley/CRU ) won’t show the raw data supposedly because they don’t know who owns the intellectual property rights to it ( which is a bit like saying they don’t know where it is from ).

        Who cares, we are all gonna die in 2012 anyway.

    • 581
      yawn says:

      yeah this one guy has brought the whole world of science crashing to it’s knees

      well he’s go the whole of the right wing blogosphere foaming at the mouth,
      and that’s really the same thing as it being taken deadly seriously as the birthers proved for Obama

  115. 554
    British not racist says:

    Interestingly, the entire temperature gain of the
    20th century has been lost in the last 10 years.
    But enough of boring facts.
    There are simple questions which one can ask
    a believer in AGW. If they answer in the
    affirmative, they are sincere, & probably
    amenable to argument. If they disagree, they
    are subscribers to a selection of nasty political
    beliefs, & should be treated accordingly.
    1. You agree that we should work fast to build
    more nuclear power stations.
    2 Since we are the most overcrowded island in
    the Western World, you agree that all immigration
    should halt. Illegals & failed asylum seekers should
    be removed quickly & recent immigrants encouraged
    to return.
    3. No child benefits should be payable after a second
    child, except when multiple births occur in the second
    4. All foreign aid should stop, unless tied to strong
    campaigns for family limitation. In which case such aid
    will only be needed for a generation.

    • 572
      Racist not British says:

      Fuck off Griffin you fat twat

      • 586
        British not racist says:

        Don’t understand this.

        Is Racist not British an enemy of someone called Griffin.?

        Surely being racist is bad. Why do you boast of it ?

        • 606
          YOU are Racist not British Mr Griffin you thick fat fucker says:

          how the fuck did this little podgy moron ever get to lead the B&P?
          he’s a complete mong.
          Oh right, THAT’S how.

          • Anonymous says:

            Will someone explain what this abuse is about please.

            British Not Racist made some 100% pertinent statements,
            & some foul mouthed idiot is banging on about someone
            called Griffin & a building society or something called B & P.

            Thought this site was for serious political comment

          • Brixjac says:

            When has the site ever been for serious political comment. I mean i writing this on a thread where 600+ people are getting alle xscited over some conspiracy theory!

    • 578
      Jamal says:

      Why does Mr. Guido harbour racists like you on his ‘blog, we true Brits beat the nazis in cable street, today we’ll beat your attempts to implement racist policies.

      • 597
        thick as thieves says:

        do not tar everyone with the same brush jamal.
        you do not help the cause of anti-fascism and anti-racism by doing so.

  116. 568
    Jamal says:

    Even if scientists have not got any conclusive proof that man made global warming is real, they have a moral responsibility to press for a reduction in greenhouse gas emissions. They should be attempting to force legislation through to prevent environmental catastrophe, not pandering to the inane FOI requests of MMGW deniers who seek to destroy our planet. Thankfully despite these faked emails being released the momentum to cap emissions cannot be stopped, bring on Copenhagen!

    • 579
      RobC says:

      Said the deluded moron.If you are so intereested in getting rid of greenhouse gases sell your bloody greenhouse!

      I thank you and will get my coat.

      • 589
        Jamal says:

        I will not sell my greenhouse, I grow my own fruit & vegetables organically as I do not wish to put money in the pockets of rich racialist farmers who indulge in vile bloodsports.

        • 612
          thick as thieves says:

          grow up jamal.
          you sound like a total dick.

        • 656
          Don't buy racist apples says:

          I stopped buying South African apples 30 years ago and I am not going to change the habit of half a lifetime now.

          (I have four mature apple trees in my garden and they fruit very heavily, thank you very much, and store well until Easter)

          • barefootcontessa says:

            It’s more expensive, but I always buy organic. My own apples are misfits, have blotches but taste fantastic. Can keep them right through winter to spring. Never eat red meat, because it’s full of antibiotics.

    • 595
      Mr Plum says:

      It seems part of the plan involves wealthy nations giving money to developing countries. I’m not too sure which category that puts us in.

      • 632
        Anonymous says:

        Correction Mr Plum.
        It involves poor people in rich countries giving cash to
        rich people in poor countries.

    • 613
      The big D says:

      Jamal. See

      I think the greenhouse gas slogan may need a re-think.

    • 631
      Emma Royd says:

      Now we have a new group called ‘email deniers’.

      Not even the CRU or UEA have tried to deny their existence only spin their content.

      For God’s sake man when are you going to wake up and smell the coffee is burning?

    • 686
      Cyco Billy says:

      I think you will find that your ethical intuitionism has been out of fashion for the best part of a century, which makes your ‘moral responsibility’ about as convincing as an emotive grunt.

  117. 575
    Chris says:

    I see there is a petition on the Downing Street website to suspend the activities of the CRU re supplying government with climate statistics until an independent inquiry has taken place .

  118. 598
    Anonymous says:

    From Jezza’s column, January 13, 2008

    “I’ve argued time and again that the old trade unionists and CND lesbians didn’t go away. They just morphed into environmentalists. The red’s become green but the goals remain the same. And there’s no better way of achieving those goals than turning the lights out and therefore winding the clock back to the Stone Age. Only when we’re all eating leaves under a hammer and sickle will they be happy.”

  119. 601
    Stepney says:

    Bang on the fucking money Conspirator Fawkes.

    If the Cooling Deniers want to use science then they should STICK to the fucking rules. Never in the field of human endeavour have so many people been duped by the powers of supposition, bad science, suppression of alternative views and an MSM taking the easy way to hell and damnation.

    Anyone would think that climate is something that can be stabilised (it isn’t), or that change has never happened before (it has, it’s what climate does).

    Willy Brandt once said that environmentalists are like tomatoes, they start off green and slowly turn red. It would appear that the process is reversible.

  120. 602
    Anonymous says:

    Thatcher said this:

    While the conventional, political dangers – the threat of global annihilation, the fact of regional war – appear to be receding, we have all recently become aware of another insidious danger. It is as menacing in its way as those more accustomed perils with which international diplomacy has concerned itself for centuries. It is the prospect of irretrievable damage to the atmosphere, to the oceans, to earth itself.

    What we are now doing to the world, by degrading the land surfaces, by polluting the waters and by adding greenhouse gases to the air at an unprecedented rate – all this is new in the experience of the earth. It is mankind and his activities that are changing the environment of our planet in damaging and dangerous ways.

  121. 615
    anon anon anon anon..... says:

    Do creationists belive in AGW?
    Do they take into account the ice core findings as part of the GW evidence. All data older than 7000 BC was placed by GOD to help sell the story of AGW to non-believers.
    Needs a bit more thought
    Now why would God bury tons of coal and oil? tut tut
    Are their any Creationists working on Data for the CRU?

  122. 618
    Prince Phillip says:

    I’ve told you time and time again
    ” The answer is population control”
    Next question!
    ” Charles, stop talking to that aspidistra, and make a few more of those nice biccies”

  123. 622
    Odds Bodkins says:

    Those who can, do.

    Those who can’t, teach.

    Those who can’t, and can’t teach, create fake ecological disasters to get their grant money.

  124. 624
    Odds Bodkins says:

    I am still in a state of disbelief over this.

    “These are very promising. The vast majority in both cases are within 0.5
    degrees of the published data. However, there are still plenty of values
    more than a degree out.”

    He’s trying to fit the results of his programs and data to PREVIOUS results.

    • 629
      thick as thieves says:

      it is rather like a fraudster reverse accounting their company accounts innit.

      • 682
        jgm2 says:

        Yes. Exactly that. They get the results. Chuck out the ones that don’t fit their pre-conceived idea of what’s happening then they reverse engineer a Fourier Transform model that they borrowed off some mathematician or physicist to actually fit their badly sampled data.

        Then they strip out the high frequency or low frequency or whichever frequency gives them the best fit to the most alarming ‘model’ they care to generate. Then they run the model forward and declare that by next Wednesday the Earth’s surface will be at the temperature of the Sun.

        Then the BBC puts it on their website.

        The problem with all these ‘models’ is that if you have (say) 150 years of temperature data then if your model is any fucking good you should be able to model (say) the first 140 years and then run your model forward and see how well it ‘predicted’ the last 10 years. No cheating now chaps.

        The fact is that their models can’t even ‘predict’ the data they’ve got let alone the fucking future.

        Crooks. Fucking geography students. Way out of their depth mathematically, chemically and physically. Not a fucking clue.

        • 699
          gullible alarmists says:

          Michael Mann, the Hockey Stick Fabricator, is a real nasty piece of work into the bargain. Can you imagine what these fuckers are doing in the way of corrupting young scientists ‘yeah yeah, just use whatever works’.

          If you haven’t checked out his methods, they are obscurantist and childishly flawed at the same time.

        • 715
          CuttingEdge says:

          A case in point:

          CO2 has risen from 200 parts per million to 400pm in the past 200 years. In the first 50 years (1810-1859) it rose by 80ppm (40%) to 280ppm. By any model put out by the fucktard grant-grabbing climate zealots, supported by a media that likes the drama and governments that rake in the revenue. CO2 levels (based on that ROI) should be currently at a minimum of 560ppm (linear growth).

          Now, ask any of the aforementioned eminent twats to explain away this “inconvenient truth” with a coherent argument and guess what? They hit a brick wall and just show themselves up for what they are – fucktards. Though its good work if you can get it (judging by the budget report in that file freely available for download in its entirety via any good search engine).

          Climate change is a reality, and has been for as long as the planet has been in existence. CO2 as a cause rather than a by-product? Absolute bollocks.

          Whatever happened to that ice-age we were warned about in the 70′s? Or how about that disappearing ozone layer that preceded the end of the world in the early nineties? Heard anything abut them recently? Thought not.

          • jgm2 says:

            If your figures are true for the first 80 years and given that I’d have expected us to burn about 1,000 times more fuel fuel in the period 1860 – present compared to the period 1810 – 1859 then if burning fossil fuels was the key driver of ‘climate change’ then we should be breathing pure fucking CO2 by now.

            Maybe those AGW Cultista re breathing pure CO2. They’re certainly a bunch of fucking vegetables.

  125. 628
    Odds Bodkins says:

    Don’t forget. He’s getting 0.5 – 1 degree differences in results… while at the same time predicting temperatures to an accuracy of tenths.

    I’ll stop spamming for now and go and cool off.

  126. 636
    DennisA says:

    These scientists have always known their data did not support the “unequivocal” results they claimed, but they had to convince policy makers that they were right and so they embarked on a policy of “global warming right or wrong”.

    In February 2005 Tony Blair ordered a propaganda Conference at the Met Office, Exeter to proclaim that dangerous climate change was here. Just prior to that the Met Office Hadley Centre produced this document:

    Stabilising climate to avoid dangerous climate change — a summary of relevant research at the Hadley Centre January 2005. The summary says:

    “What constitutes ‘dangerous’ climate change, in the context of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, remains open to debate.

    Once we decide what degree of (for example) temperature rise the world can tolerate, we then have to estimate what greenhouse gas concentrations in the atmosphere should be limited to, and how quickly they should be allowed to change.

    These are very uncertain because we do not know exactly how the climate system responds to greenhouse gases.

    The next stage is to calculate what emissions of greenhouse gases would be allowable, in order to keep below the limit of greenhouse gas concentrations.

    This is even more uncertain, thanks to our imperfect understanding of the carbon cycle (and chemical cycles) and how this feeds back into the climate system.”

    That was in 2005. Eight years earlier the science was already settled. In 1997 our current Chief Scientific Advisor to Defra and Director of Strategy at Tyndall, Bob Watson, was asked at Kyoto about the growing number of climate scientists who challenged the conclusions of the UN, that man-induced global warming was real and promised cataclysmic consequences, Professor Watson responded by denigrating all dissenting scientists as pawns of the fossil fuel industry. “The science is settled” he said, and “we’re not going to reopen it here.”

    How about Tyndall? These extracts from a 2004 paper provide an insight into their propaganda agenda.

    “The Social Simulation of the Public Perception of Weather Events and their Effect upon the Development of Belief in Anthropogenic Climate Change” September 2004.

    “Global warming (or climate change) is, without elaboration, a much debated and contested issue. Not only is it contested among scientists, but also among all those with vested interests.

    We suggest that, in the realm of the public, forces act to maintain or denounce a perceived reality which has already been constructed. That is, an issue introduced by science (or media for that matter) needs continual expression of confirmation if it is to be maintained as an issue.

    In this paper, we explore under what conditions belief in global warming or climate change, as identified and defined by experience, science and the media, can be maintained in the public’s perception.

    As the science itself is contested, needless to say, so are the potential policy changes. So how then do people make sense or construct a reality of something that they can never experience in its totality (climate) and a reality that has not yet manifest (i.e. climate change)?

    To endorse policy change people must ‘believe’ that global warming will become a reality some time in the future.

    Only the experience of positive temperature anomalies will be registered as indication of change if the issue is framed as global warming.

    Both positive and negative temperature anomalies will be registered in experience as indication of change if the issue is framed as climate change.

    We propose that in those countries where climate change has become the predominant popular term for the phenomenon, unseasonably cold temperatures, for example, are also interpreted to reflect climate change/global warming.”

    Sound familiar? The Institute for Public Policy Research, Labour’s favourite think tank, had this advice for public agencies interfacing with the public, Warm Words, August 2006.

    “Treating climate change as beyond argument” is our recommendation that, at least for popular communications, interested agencies now need to treat the argument as having been won.

    This means simply behaving as if climate change exists and is real, and that individual actions are effective.

    The ‘facts’ need to be treated as being so taken-for-granted that they need not be spoken.

    The certainty of the Government’s new climate-change slogan – ‘Together this generation will tackle climate change’ (Defra 2006) – gives an example of this approach.It constructs, rather than claims, its own factuality.”

    It was written by a PR consultant and a novelist.

    Millions of pounds of our money are spent on social engineering to get us to accept environmental taxation, to “save the planet” including the current disgraceful adverts on TV.

    Unfortunately the opposition are fully signed up as well.

    • 674
      Cassandra King says:

      There you have a perfect political conspiracy beloved of perverted criminal regimes the world over.
      The two other parties are fully signed up to the giant fraud, a political conspiracy to defraud the electorate and pervert science to fit a political narrative, this political narrative would never be accepted in a million years IF the political classes told us the truth about their plans so they wrap it up in lies.

      Treason against the people, treason and conspiracy to defraud the people? These are the crimes being committed against the British people right now by all the major political parties. If they are allowed to succeed in their evil criminal plans it will lead us into the new dark ages, its that serious now! The political classes are in effect waging a war against their own people, the main three political parties have formed and axis of evil against their own people, they are our enemies and should be treated as such.
      All freedom loving people left and right should join together and fight the criminals.

    • 745
      climate carnage survivor says:

      Al Gore has promoted Climate Change to Climate Crisis as in the title of his new bok
      “Our Choice: A Plan To Solve The Climate Crisis ” ( came out 3rd. November, just in time for all the Copenhagen delegates to buy it on expenses ).

      btw Al, where are all the Carbon Offset Forests that you are supposed to be growing in exchange for all the £/$Squillions you hoover up from gullible corporations ?

  127. 637
    Morpork says:

    Are you up to speed with the Great CRU Hacked Emails Debate?
    Try this quiz to find out:

  128. 638
    Prince Phillip says:

    Don’t forget I’m apolitical so

    PLEASE email your MP and ask him how he has informed himself sufficiently on GW to be able to advise Government and the Electorate

    • 670
      RT says:

      I have mailed my MP several times over the last few years on this very issue (James Paice) and never received a reply.

  129. 641
    SpoofReader says:

    Understanding the Earth’s climate changes is easy.

    First gain a full understanding of The Chaos Theory.


  130. 649
    Sure Thing says:

    I wonder if the leading “climate expert” at the BBC seminar at which they decided they need not be impartial on AWG was none other than Phil Jones?

    “The BBC has held a high-level seminar with some of the best scientific experts, and has come to the view that the weight of evidence no longer justifies equal space being given to the opponents of the consensus [on anthropogenic climate change]”

    He clearly had close contacts with the BBC and was not adverse to using nefarious means to silence any opposing voices.

  131. 654
    The religion that is AGW (window smasher sections) says:

    Climate protestors face sleeping in prison gyms
    Wednesday, 25 November, 2009

    Prisons prepare for an influx of detainees during the UN Climate Change Conference happening in two weeks

    Overcrowding in the country’s prisons means protestors arrested during the climate conference will be held in uncomfortable conditions.

    Climate activists are gearing up for the UN Climate Change Conference in two weeks, but face harsh jail conditions if arrested.

    Legislation was recently tightened to allow police to hold protestors for up to 40 days if they hinder police work and the already overstretched prison service is gearing up for new arrivals.

    Vestre Fængsel prison in Copenhagen is preparing to house those who are being held in custody by doubling up on cell-space and holding others in the prison gym and workshop areas.

  132. 657
    Anonymous says:

    Good to see the BBC being ‘impartial’ as usual.

    Since this CRU story broke last Friday the BBC have since ran TWENTY TWO articles on Climate Change, yet only FOUR articles on the CRU leak and two of those were mainly to make them out as the ‘victims’ of ‘evil’ hackers.

  133. 662
  134. 681
    Brixjac says:

    Read some good information for once:
    or just have a look at this graph and see what you find:

    Any comments? Or are you all going to stick to some ridiculous conspiracy theory re: MMGW? It’s always good in a debate on science when you enlist Jeremy Clarkson into your argument but ignore 95% of scientists!

  135. 683
    Peter says:

    Well of course the reason Greenland is so named is that it used to be GREEN. ie covered in grass etc, and was a place where you could grow crops.

    This “inconvenient truth” has always been a big problem for the global warming mafia.

    Needless to say the BBC has treated this story as though it did not exist. Just one more reason to break this Stalinist organisation up.

    • 730
      NS says:

      Yes but Eric the Red was a right wing loony who just made all that Greenland stuff up to fool the punters and the farms below the ice were planted there by the oil companies and banks etc. etc etc.

      • 744

        I always thought the Vikings were fine fellows. All that raping, pillaging and looting was just a sign of healthy capitalist instincts. Now you tell me the Greenland thing was just a bloody timeshare scam, I’m going to have to change my view.

  136. 684

    What a bunch of loons you are.

    Out of interest, can anyone give me an example of a deliberate misinformation conspiracy by scientists that was not corporate funded?

    Which side are corporations on in this battle? So which is more likely to be the scientific misinformation?

    As for the crude parallel with marxism, it’s just a nonsensical slur.

  137. 687
    Truth can be Convenient says:

    Who needs Communists & Socialist Workers ?

    Everything they want is being achieved via the
    BBC/Guardian/Independent axis plus the AGW
    hoaxers & their gullible victims.

    No one who is over 65 & left their houses to
    sample the weather believes in Man Made Global Warming.
    Neither do serious Earth Scientists notably
    Professor Ian Plimmer.
    He is a Gallileo for our times.
    And Christopher Booker is a latter day Luther.
    Carbon trading credits are Papal Indulgencies

    The only good thing the AGW mob advocate is using fewer
    oil based products.

  138. 703
    Half eyed Scottish idiot says:

    Phil Jones in one of his emails said he hoped Global Warming theories eventually came to be true.

    He has been criticised for showing his arrogance not to mention his willingness to see millions die (supposedly).

    More to the point it proves once and for all that to him it is still only a theory not a fact.

  139. 705
    The religion that is AGW says:

    ‘I’m happy that some people start recognising the gigantic task ahead if we are to save the world. Unfortunately greed rules our modern world and I have no illusions whatsoever that we will succeed. It will happen because we have no other choice , in other words WHEN ITS TOO LATE. Billions will die, the rich will buy their way out and anarchy and a new modern DARK middle age will reappear. Very simply put we can buy and make a Ferrari for 250K, but for a rare whale which is almost extinct no one wants to pay 250K, once an animal species is gone, no money in the world can buy it. And every minute some living organism dies and disappears for ever. Biodiversity is the key to life, currently we allready lost 3 million lifevorms in the last 10 years. Like everyhting there is a critical mass and once this reached………. But it will have to be a collective effort, and I only see it happening if we move away from capitalism. Change only happens when things are really bad, so it will take another 20-30 years of polluting to eventually get there. Despairing isn’t it …….
    benny glass, antwerp belgium

    I dare anyone to deny that the young man who posted from Belgium is a fully signed up member of the new millenarianism. Look at the ‘religious fervour’, the moral judgementalism and the totalitarianism that drips from his plaint. The modern ‘apocalypse’ in all its pseudo-science glory.

    He ‘enjoys’ the thought of the collapse and his ‘insight’. The last line is the give away.

    PS Capitalism (as he chooses to understand it) also gets a mention. No surprise there.

  140. 707
    rob's uncle says:

    Nov 24: statements from Prof Trevor Davies, Pro-Vice-Chancellor for Research, Prof Phil Jones, head of the Climatic Research Unit, and from CRU.

    • 718
      anon anon anon....... says:

      tree rings. i’m comvinced. sorry.

    • 747
      climate carnage survivor says:

      Professor Trevor Davies, Pro-Vice-Chancellor UEA, keeps harping on about “peer review” clearly not understanding that one of Steve Jones failings was to undermine that very process.

  141. 709
    Anonymous says:

    I never knew that so many climate scientists visit these pages – all so well informed to!

  142. 710

    This idea that scientists are conspiring against the public intrigues me. The only time it has ever happened before is when scientists funded by corporations have lied for the sake of their masters.

  143. 712
    Anonymous says:

    The new hunt for WMD’s =Weapons of met destruction i think they have tried this bullshit on us before

  144. 713

    Guido, do you ever worry about the IQ and spelling of your commenters?

    • 725
      anon anon anon....... says:

      Do you ever worry about the IQ of your readers? I thought not.
      If you need publicity….pay for it

  145. 714
    John says:

    As I (like you and most others) need to work for a living I cannot check through 708 posts to check that no-one else has said this.
    One – climate change is a composite of man-made and other factors
    Two – other factors have been working for billions of years and they contain counter-cyclical elements that avoid disaster
    Three – the other factors are almost certainly bigger
    Four – we cannot do anything about them
    Five – it is undeniable that the man-made elements contribute to global warming, it is only a question whether or not their contribution is significant
    Six – whatever the answer to five they may, possibly, tip the balance to produce disaster
    Seven – we can do something about the man-made elements
    Eight – anyone who cares about future generations should act to reduce the impact of humanity on “global warming”
    Nine – this involves personal choice and does not preclude criticism of “climate change activists” like Al Gore who consumes more energy from burning fossil fuel in a month than I do in a year
    Ten – it is up to all of us to act sensibly, walking to the shops, using public transport when we can etc etc, lobbying to restore the hill farm subsidy, so that sheep and cattle graze on land unsuited for arable farming, and to abolish the CAP so that we were not forced to import milk from France, etc etc

    • 719
      Anonymous says:

      How about not flooding our country with 3rd world immigrants who are rapidly pushing our population towards 70 million plus.

      Why the hell should we destroy more of our precious countryside to house people we don’t need and don’t want.

      • 722
        christy says:

        To Anonymous.
        You are absolutely spot on,we are a small becoming crowded island,and we can’t stand this Liebour engineered migration much longer.
        It does puzzle me a bit as to why CMD is not pushing this issue,the bloody door is wide open for him.

        • 724
          anon anon anon....... says:

          The sea levle isn’t rising ….the island is sinking

        • 733
          Gordon drowned my kids says:

          Wavy Dave doesn’t do opposition. He’s a fully signed up member of the cartel (he’s even got Red Blond advising him). Hi Ho Hi Ho, it’s off to UKIP we go…

    • 721
      anon anon anon....... says:

      11. and mom and apple pie

  146. 720
    christy says:

    1 degree+ 3 degree+ 7 degrees – 2 degrees= 9 degrees
    Something wrong here,it should have equalled 12 degrees,I have it i’ll get onto them chaps at CRU,they will know what I’m doing wrong.
    GLOBAL WARMING my backside another conn job of epic proportions,I noticed it didn’t take long to drop the warming bit and pick up the climate change tag.
    I see that the Wedgewood China man wasn’t long in picking it up relative to the Cumbria floods.
    CO2=power,submission,and moneymaking,and for my part they can stick their bent science right up where the sun dont shine.

    • 723
      anon anon anon....... says:

      just mix farenheit with celsius, you’ll soon get the right answer. Remenber Mars landing. inches + centimeters = CRASH

  147. 728
    Anonymous says:

    A good paper on the problems with the “hockey-stick graph”, which was central to the IPCC report, is here:

    Essentially, it argues convincingly that even random data produces similar hockey-stick shapes post-1900 when using Michael Mann’s statistical “weightings”.

  148. 732
    Anonymous says:

    It’s all a load of little fluffy clouds,

  149. 738
    jenkida says:

    William Kininmonth, former head of the National Climate Centre at the Bureau of Meteorology, reported in Energy and the Environment on another astonishing attempt to stifle sceptics:

    As an invited speaker to an international seminar invited by the Russian Academy of Sciences to discuss the scientific basis of the Kyoto Protocol it was perplexing that the event did not commence on schedule. The delay was particularly odd, as it appeared that the listed speakers were assembled. The program did commence after nearly two hours wait and the reason for the delay became apparent. Sir David King, chief scientific adviser to the United Kingdom government, had been lobbying vigorously to have a number of the listed international speakers omitted from the program. He even submitted his own program of speakers! Having failed in his objective, King absented himself from the proceedings for the remainder of the day…

    The pre-seminar lobbying by Sir David King further underscored the politicisation of the climate change issue. It became apparent that the objective of the UK delegation was to defend the findings of the IPCC and convince the members of the Russian Academy of Sciences that the science of climate change is settled… The input of independent scientists (at the meeting), who could demonstrate shortcomings in the IPCC findings, clearly would hamper the UK delegation in meeting its objectives and were to be silenced.

    Why the UK government would want to take on the role of sheriff in defence of the IPCC is not clear until one remembers that the Blair Government has made the promotion of Kyoto and hence its ‘war against global warming’ a top foreign policy objective for reasons that can only be speculated about.

    • 740
      RT says:

      Please speculate, then. Why they would want to do this is utterly mystifying to me.

      • 742

        Because having sold Britain’s sovereignty to the eu, they had to find something that might give them clout on the international stage. Trying to be the IPCC’s boot boy was just their chosen method.

        It’s all about having an ethical foreign policy, innit.

  150. 739

    ‘Global cooling deniers’ – brilliant.


  151. 761
    Anonymous says:

    “Phil Jones, should now resign”

    No he should not.

    He should be sacked (And the pretend university of East Anglia should be closed down.) meaning he should lose all pension entitlements. Then he should be fined for the trillions of loot wasted on this AGW bollocks. Then he should be given a tent and sent off to live in the hotter-by-the-minute Antartica these loons are always telling us about. After that he should be punished.

  152. 762
  153. 763
    Inequality engagement comissioner says:

    Phil Jones

    B.A. in Environmental Sciences at the University of Lancaster in 1973
    M.Sc. (1974) and Ph.D. (1977) at the Department of Civil Engineering at the University of Newcastle-upon-Tyne

    Oh Dear

  154. 766

    [...] Time to Defund CRU’s Global Cooling Deniers The perversion of science that has been exposed by the release of the CRU emails has shocked even that high priest of th [...] [...]

  155. 767
    NotNowCato says:

    “Many of the enemies of capitalism have merely changed their flag from red to green.”

    They are known as Watermelons – green on the outside, red on the inside.

    (someone else may have said this, I’ve not read all the other posts yet)

  156. 769
    RT says:

    Can someone recommend a country for me to move to please? I’m sick of this one.

  157. 771
    Brixjac says:

    As long as you piss off out of this one, i don’t care where you go.

  158. 774
    muffamatician says:

    This from the Wall Street Journal, the jig is up.

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