Cabinet Office Calls in Tory Wonk for ‘Broken Society’ Advice
The civil service is getting into planning for the post-Labour period. Who better to get in to give a preview of the likely thinking of the next government than one of Steve Hilton’s favourite wonks, the ‘Red Tory’ Philip Blond? This email has just been sent out by the Cabinet Office Strategy Unit to senior civil servants:
Title: ‘The decline of civil society and what it means for society’
Date: Wednesday, 25th November 2009
Time: 5:30- 6:30pm (refreshments available from 5pm)
Venue: Admiralty House, Whitehall
Chair: Gareth Davies, Director of the Strategy Unit
Respondent: David Rossington, Director of Strategy & Performance, DCLGDear Colleague
I am pleased to invite you to the above Strategy Unit – evening seminar at Admiralty House.
Phillip Blond’s talk on “The decline of civil society and what it means for society” will focus on the New Civic Settlement: outlining a new politics of civic association. The talk will outline how civic society has been eroded, and what we can do to rebuild it and how a reconstituted associative culture can help solve public policy problems which neither the state nor the market have the ability to solve.
We are also pleased to confirm that David Rossington, Director of Strategy & Performance, from the department of Communities and Local Government will join us to briefly to respond to Mr Blond’s presentation.
Philip Blond is known as the “Red Tory” and is centrist on economics and conservative on social matters. The civil service is obviously starting with the less scary centre-right wonks. Just wait until the bureaucrats hear from the other centre-right think tanks about what the ‘post-bureaucratic age means for them…
More winkery wankery.
What is a Civil Society? Can I attend the meeting to find out?
Just wait until the bureaucrats hear from the other centre-right think tanks about what the ‘post-bureaucratic age means for them…
A bonfire of the Quangos!
yet again
Financial misconduct = Conservatives
moral incontinence=Labour
Textual Incontinence = The Inquisition
Economic Depression = Zanu-Labour
Aunty Zit, out of sight out of mind.
What do the Conservitudes plan to do to handle the crisis?
Ah yes!
“Do nothing” apart from stimulus mesures, quantitative easing, state control of banks, and of course accept the new European constitution.
lie + bore = The Inquisition
With Labour there is no finance left to mismanage
Labour = the longest recession EVER!
more debt than the previous 300 years worth of governments combined = labour
I see Jonty’s still trotting out the do nothing nonsense – why would Cameron want to make any reference to his future plans when he knows the current prime minister is so desperate he’d borrow the ideas of a dead rat if he thought they’d make him look good.
Cameron may be a hoon, but he’s not so stupid as to let the fascist bullyboy….sorry labour party, rip off all his ideas – they’ve already tried it in numerous other policy areas, so let them continue to ruin things until they’re voted out.
Seen this?
http://www.thisissurreytoday.co.uk/news/Ex-soldier-faces-jail-handing-gun/article-1509082-detail/article.html
Absolutely shocking…am forwarding to a barrister friend who specilaises in firearms law to see if he can help…
Anyone associated with the case (Police, Prosecution, Judge, Jury) must see that the application of this law is disproportionate and contrary to the understanding of its fairness. Or is everyone involved waiting for the law to eventually be amended by the next administration?
This conviction brings the law into disrepute, and once word gets out, will probably (further) discourage law abiding citizens from co-operating with the authorities. In the meantime Mr Clarke is likely to be banged up for at least five years.
Shami, Shami wherefore art thou Shami ??????? Ohhhh I forgot she only deals with Johnie Foreigners like Binyam Mohamed. (She really felt his pain as witnessed on QT when she nearly had a seizure).She couldn’t possible help any old English person.I mean it’s not done is it? I don’t suppose the Islington/Primrose Hill/Hampstead Nue-Liebor dinner party circuit would care a tinker’s cuss about an old English soldier.
This is the kind of welcome New Labour suckups give our troops…… strangely BBC TV did not want to show this bit in the national news.
http://www.thisislocallondon.co.uk/news/4712392.Soldiers_told_to_remove_uniforms_to_drink_in_Croydon_bar/
Heroic soldiers returning from Afghanistan were told remove their uniforms if they wanted to continue drinking in a Croydon bar.
The troops were forced to buy civilian clothes after staff from Tiger Tiger in the High Street refused to let them stay in their Army uniforms because it breached its strict evening dress code.
The brave squaddies, from the Second Battalion The Rifles, had earlier that day been given the freedom of the borough after marching through the town centre to the cheers and tears of grateful residents.
So if you find a firearm in the future leave it where it is for some child to pick up. Absolutely mind boggling.
Next time I find a gun Ill just take it down the pub and sell it.
We could send them all to a “Re-education Camp”.
Or just kill and eat the bastards.
P45′s all round methinks!
Unlikely, sadly. The Cameron team with their centre-left slant and fear of being seen as ruthless or nasty, will compromise on the fringes and the bureaucracy will be `re-arranged` but protected with only a few token quangos disappearing. How drastic are the Tories prepared to cut local government bureaucracy, for example? Will all the new meddling powers given to the state bureaucracies at all levels of government over the past 12 years be scrapped? Doubtful. The much-heralded new post-bureaucratic age is more likely to see a strengthened albeit re-juggled bureaucracy. Otherwise it will need draconian measures which the Tories will not be prepared to take.
A realistic probability though not guaranteed scenario, TTR.
I fear you are right — one of the most highly paid CEOs of a local authority in the UK on £225,000 per year is Suffolk’s own Andrea HIll.
Suffolk’s a Conservative council.
“There’s no such thing as society”
M.Thatcher
Learn the full context of that quote you ignorant little simpleton.
There’s always one fucking stupid little clown who trots out those six words whilst clearly having no idea what she was talking about when she said it.
Full quote
“I think we’ve been through a period where too many people have been given to understand that if they have a problem, it’s the government’s job to cope with it. ‘I have a problem, I’ll get a grant.’ ‘I’m homeless, the government must house me.’ They’re casting their problem on society. And, you know, there is no such thing as society. There are individual men and women, and there are families. And no government can do anything except through people, and people must look to themselves first. It’s our duty to look after ourselves and then, also to look after our neighbour. People have got the entitlements too much in mind, without the obligations. There’s no such thing as entitlement, unless someone has first met an obligation.”
Prime minister Margaret Thatcher, talking to Women’s Own magazine, October 31 1987
However, even taking the statement into context she did emphasise the individual first, in effect making society a selfish one where no one did care about their neighbour or looked after their family. It’s not so much as casting their problems on society as casting it on the government. Society is not the government.
Scandal, outrage, but still they win
EVERYBODY who believes in democracy has a duty to accept last night’s result
in Glasgow North East.
You have to believe that the people of Glasgow North East cast their votes
after looking at all the issues.
You have to believe that, after long consideration of all the options, they
used the gift of their vote with care and they chose Labour.
In spite of the war in Afghanistan, in spite of the almost daily parade of
flag-draped coffins, in spite of the fact that our brave soldiers are forced
to buy their own boots while MoD fat cats scoop up cash bonuses for their
hard work, the people of Glasgow North East chose Labour.
In spite of the worst unemployment figures since Tony Blair was elected, in
spite of the worst youth unemployment EVER, the people of Glasgow North East
chose Labour.
In spite of the fact that Glasgow North East has the seventh highest number of
people on benefits in the entire UK, they chose Labour. In spite of the fact
that the election was caused by the most shattering scandal in the history
of Westminster, they chose Labour.
In spite of the fact that Michael Martin was forced out of office as Speaker –
the first time that’s happened in more than 200 years – they chose Labour.
In spite of the fact that Mr Martin spent £1.7million of their money on doing
up his London residence, they chose Labour.
In spite of the £1,400 he claimed for chauffeur-driven cars to take him round
Glasgow North East, they chose Labour.
In spite of the £95,000 he claimed for his Glasgow home in the past seven
years, in spite of the seat in the Lords he was given, in spite of the £350
he can claim – tax free – every day he turns up there, they chose Labour.
So, really, there’s only one question left.
What would the Labour Party have to do to people in Springburn to make them
stop voting Labour?
67% didn’t vote.
Don’t watch the news, read the Daily record. Life passes by, where’s my giro?
And the LibDems polled less than half the BΝP total while the Tories beat the BΝP by just 62 votes and that was after a recount when the BΝP were placed third.
It truly is depressing isn’t it? You can kind of see how the Scottish Labour junta are so breathtakingly arrogant. I mean if you could treat your voter base like that and still get four times as many votes as the guy in second place I suppose, eventually, you would just take them for granted.
It’s human nature.
The problem comes when they bring the same arrogant style of government down to Westminster.
Three times as many votes. D’oh.
Ha! Says Mr Breathtaking Arrogance himself!
They’d have to improve education.
Especially the education of senior civil servants, who appear to be incapable writing English. “The decline of civil society and what it means for society” … err … how about it means society will decline?
Remember a very long time ago,when Blair first met the public eye, I think as shadow Social Security Minister, and on air he used to say “society”about every fourth word,usually vaguely in social engineering terms.It’s a convenient word for evasion and waffle to avoid naming the actual roots of problems,which might be politically unwise.
They would have to shoot them all. Labour supporters are generally only alive from the neck down. How else can you explain the sort of muppet who would vote for them.
What would the Labour Party have to do to people in Springburn to make them
stop voting Labour?
Stop paying their benefits?
Applause
Ban the sale of Buckie.
Insist that all claimants had to be free of all traces of recreational chemical substaces when the sign on ( ie fortnightly drugs tests)
Ban deep fried Mars bars.
There’s 3 for starters.
In spite of the fact that Glasgow North East has the seventh highest number of
people on benefits in the entire UK, they chose Labour.
Should that not read
‘Because of the fact that Glasgow North East has the seventh highest number of
people on benefits in the entire UK, they chose Labour.’
?
what about the postal votes and stuffed ballot boxes?
Nothing, they know who will pay them benefits for ever and day so long as they are in power. Labour have created a client state of approx 20% of the UK population which means they need only a relatively small extra vote to be elected as a national government.
The call needs to go out “No representation without taxation”
Value Added Tax
You pay VAT on watching daytime TV?
‘What would the Labour Party have to do to people in Springburn to make them
stop voting Labour?’
Kill them?
In spite of the cold weather, the men wear skirts.
Yeah, some south of the border do too. Jgm2 for example.
I tell you. You’re just such a riot. It’s like being stalked by Oscar Wilde.
In your gay wet dreams.
Seventh highest number of people on benefits in the whole UK explains why they chose Labour – hand that feeds you etc.
Its ture.
Decent folk go out to work so their taxes pay for both MP’s and idle scroungers free food. Err, hang on there’s no difference…
true, but it is all gently simmering beneath the surface.
Whichever government takes over from this one, they are going to have to cut public spending brutally. According to the Treasury’s figures, social benefits cost over 140 billion pounds in 2008, rising to almost 160 billion by 2010/11. The total income tax take in 2007/08 was only 150 billion, and it’s almost certainly going to fall during the recession. When the benefits bill exceeds the income tax bill then either the government keeps borrowing until the country sinks, or alternatively it cuts benefits. Doing nothing is not an option!
How right Scottish Sun is. It is sadly a portent of things to come. Core Labour is still strong whereas Core Conservative has been driven away. Wishy-washy `policies do not appeal and will certainly not win elections. The next election is by no means `in the bag`. David Cameron should take note. There is a simmering disquiet beneath the surface which is almost completely unnoticed in the Westminster Village.
“Glasgow North East has the seventh highest number of
people on benefits in the entire UK”
Collecting £ 20k a year from the taxpayer beats a £ 11k Glasgae job hands down.
“Mr Martin spent £1.7million of their money”
In Scotland, a country with only 60,000 net taxpayers it is said, you should delete “their” and replace with “English”.
“In spite of the fact that Glasgow North East has the seventh highest number of
people on benefits in the entire UK, they chose Labour.”
QED
GB: I knew my scottish brethren would support me. You see as I have been telling you I am really very popular, all I have to do know is spread the same word aound the rest of the country. Lets hope everyone else is as stupid.
They’ve proved it 3 times already! No problem.
Policy wonks fellate Cameron and Cameron fellates donkeys.
Donkey TV:
This is very significant – this is a fundamental philosophical line that gives the ‘New Conservatism’ both a backbone and a strategy
New Labour had its chance to use Civic Socialism embracing the Civic Bond but they lost their WAY – they were after a 1,000 years Third Reich-like society – which in fairness to NuLab – to a certain extent they (sadly) have succeeded !! and the mess we are in and are left with is horrendous
Now the Conservatives have an opportunity to implement this ‘philosophy’ to the benefit of the UKs SOCIETY by identifying and persuing the CIVIC BOND as a fundamental part of the New Conservatism
I stumbled upon a book – The Principal of Duty – by David Seymour – 1994
It’s all in there – NuLab has blown it – the Tories will now do it although it will be much more difficult to achieve – not only because of all the PLACEMEN NuLab has appointed and annointed.
But to think that the Tories have a fundamental philosophy underpinning their day to day operations is wonderful
I would take this book on my Desert Island along with the Christopher Logue’s / Tony Kinsey’s EP (45 rpm) Red Bird – (some Pablo Neruda poems translated) and be happy – oh and also Lennie Tristano’s ‘Intuition’
NEW LABOUR IS NOW TRULY GONE FOREVER – HISTORY
PRAISE BE & REJOICE
I forgot to say – The Tories met with David Selbourne some many moons ago and asked him to produce a reprt
And your point is? Saw Phillip Blond speaking in a meeting recently.Came across as arrogant and empty headed. His ‘pull yourself up by your bootstrap’philosophy of management of poverty implies an increased motivation by the poor to better their own lot.This would be marvellous in fairyland.Those of us employed at the coalface of poverty know that in the meantime there is a generation of children who need good schools,decent health care and family support.Leaving these essential thing to the oxymoronic Red Tories is a huge mistakes.Blond has no new message apart from a return to the Workhouse of the past.
‘Good’ schools are pointless without parental support. I guarantee you that in 25 years time the successes from ‘sink estate’ state schools will be the children of Bangledashis and Somalis.
Because their parents value education.
The failures will be the umpty-generation white natives whose parents lack the motivation or belief themselves to pay attention at school and for purely selfish reasons are content that their children should have the same lack of ambition.
Schools, health care, all that expensive shit is a complete waste of money compared to the utterly debilitating effect these (mainly) white trash parents have on their own spawn.
Never a truer word was spoken.
Hear hear
My niece used to go to a good school — brand new library, reception and computer lab — all paid for with PFI, all standing idle for the past 12 months. That’s right, the schoolchildren are not allowed to use them! The lefty teachers come and go and the state first year A level course consisted of a mere 6 hours tuition a week — that’s right, 6 hours per week.
She’s now at a really good school doing a two year A level course in one to make up for the wasted year she spent in state education.
Exactly. It’s poverty of aspiration that needs to be tackled, not dipping into the wallets of the non-work shy.
You can’t talk ’bout me and my kids loik that.
But even the best parenting gets messed up with a truly useless ZaNu Lie Baaah education which leaves all the kids illiterate and innumerate, and therefore unable to be of any functional ability in the workplace. This lot have pulled the ladder that some of them climned up behind them, leaving those who cannot afford a private sector education totally screwed.
Civic Socailism? Civic Bond?
WTF? Why have these fuckers got to have some over-arching ‘philosophy’ to dogmatically pursue. Can’t they actually just ‘do the right thing’. Ie balance the budget, pay the nurses, doctors, police, teachers, soldiers etc and otherwise just fuck off.
Why, in the name of Christ, are they looking to implement some kind of sociological experiment on the entire UK population. We’ve just had one of those for the past twelve years and it was shit.
We don’t need another fucking one.
Spot on, that’s why we all need to vote Labour and make sure your pitchfork is nice and sharp when the time comes.
Labour had its chance and fucked it big time
Next !!!
it’s what Labour governments do!! Every generation has to learn this the hard way.
The problem is over-formalised education which tries to lay a scientific template on top of wishy-washy subjects like anthropology and knitting. Since the day hard science i.e. early chemistry, physics and astronomy started providing real answers to the puzzles that had taxed the best minds for thousands of years, a bunch of chancers saw the opportunity to legitimise the nonsense they believed by wrapping it in a pseudo-scientific framework. Hence the advent of social science, economics etc.
Like you say, balance the budget, provide minimal health care, build a few roads, hide a few nukes away for a rainy day then fuck off out of our lives.
Hold hard – yes – Doc – yes jgm2 – agreed !!
But – a new administration needs ‘core beliefs / missions / objectives’ – not just set out to improve the lots of kids (education health opportunity well-being etc etc)
NuLab started with this but was fundamentally flawed
The Tories can and I believe will implement ‘change’ within a sensible rounded conservative framework
No significant operational difference – just a framework – within which to work – no experiment – just say ’10 Commandments’ and Conservative belief to underpin them
I’m not proposing a ‘Red Toryism’!
I would suggest that the new governments ‘core mission’ which trumps all others is to return UK PLC to solvency.
The rest is mere flim-flam.
jgm2 – very rarely disagree with you – but
you don’t win elections with just one policy objective
you don’t win a second
and a third
we need a ‘framework’
New Labour’s strategy – although a 100% lie – was designed to keep them in power for many a long year – long enough to fundamentally change our country
We need to get this right
Fair enough. But you could still condense the ‘framework’ down to a single policy.
Ie if elected we, the Tory Party, will repeal every single piece of legislation passed by Labour since 1997.
That would be a framework that would guarantee a landslide.
Civic Bond, sounds like an excuse to get someone to work without paying them for their efforts.
I think there’s another word for that, slavery.
For a truly common sense core mission, how about restoring trust in those in positions of authoriity by ensuring that:
1) All public servants, and especially elected politicians act honestly in all matters and only claim what they can provide receipts for items which are wholly necessarily and exclusively expended in the course of their duties,
2) All involved in primary education ensure that all of the students and pupils are properly taught the basics of reading, writng and arithmentic to enable them to take their studies in other subjects to a level which will enable them to make a useful contribution to society,
3) Protect teachers from disruptive pupils just as railway workers and hospital staff are protected from yobs by having them removed to the local police cells if necessary,
4) Requiring citizens to be honest in their dealings with the state to the extent that a matter of dishonesty be treated as if it were an offence about which the dishonesty is being communicated (EG false cry of police brutality be treated as assault on a policemand, false claim of resisting arrest be treated as assault by a police constable etc)
5) Development of a policy on employment which means that the jobs created are more econoically useful than the “dersity awareness co-ordinators” that seem to be the limit of the ZaNu Lie Baaah policy.
And just to be sure, no-one should be allowed to stand for public office unless the can answer questions on the theory and practice of free markets to the satisfaction of the Adam Smith Institute or the Institute of Economic Affairs.
I agree – this sort of approach is something to ‘keep in mind’ when making long term decisions – rather than – running around like the headless NuLibor chickens do
“This is a private matter for Paul Keetch.”
Randy MP’s undercover manoeuvres with SAS legend’s wife
Randy MP’s undercover manoeuvres with SAS legend’s wife
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2728024/Randy-MPs-undercover-manoeuvres-br-with-SAS-legends-wife.html
Civil society = communitarian social engineering.
Its the exact opposite. Civil society is what exists when the State has been pushed back out of peoples’ faces.
Thank heavens for that. I thought they were going to make us all civil servants.
regular large un-earned bonuses for tossing it off though
Well “civil servants” are neither civil, nor servants. A perfect description for our truth in naming inverted times.
e.g. Mandy = Minister of Truth.
Yes that is exactly what `civic society` will mean. There will be no `post-bureaucratic` age under Cameron.
Ah a lovey comment ‘the post labour period’
Bring it on!!
“Post Labour” = Birth and New Life.
So, Who is coming after Camerons BlueLabour?
How soon can I get my hopes up?
Shsssh – say it quietly – ah wonderful !!
It’ll be like the last Ice Age retreating from ancient Britain!
You are dust Conservitudes, Gordon will crush you and the country will be ours for always!
See how we make him out to be shy and feeling when he is actually scheming and quick to anger!
Hahahaha
If Gordon wins the election, i’ll eat my hand. Shut up.
That’s a spoof Master Baiter.
Hahahaha
No it’s not!
Hahahahaha
Yes it is
In that case , expect a declaration of UDI from the South West !
Exactly, that’s why we must fight for a Labour victory, then the people of Britain will rise up to reclaim their nation.
Agreed. 6 months of the IMF in charge of Mandy and McGroan — making them eat their own faeces, and crawl back inch by inch over their own scorched earth. A most edifying prospect..
There is one teeny problem with that delicious vision. It’s the fact that all 60 million of us would be crawling back over that scorched landscape eating Labour’s shit too. Our savings and pensions destroyed and third world status nailed on.
We’re going to have to do that anyway jgm2 whatever happens.
Don’t. Just don’t. I can’t bear to picture it. And Labour jackasses braying about how it’s all Cameron’s fault.
Eeee-Awwww.
Every time I hear talk of us revolting I just think of the Who’s “Won’t Get Fooled Again” – meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
It just confirms my faith in nihilism (pedants may spot an oxymoron there, but it’s an intentional expression of the utter futility of life in 2009).
All 646 of the bastards would have to be replaced by real people who have worked for a living to satsfy me – no old bosses around, from any party.
But I do have a stock of piano wire in the shed…
Yep no one in their right minds would really want to take over the monstrous Marxist mess de(liebour)ately rolled out by the Highlanders and their treacherous Soviet-backed student union politicals.
Re-elect Ruin and his crappy comrades and let them eat the sh*t.
That is the problem and the dilemma. Cameron needs to give hope and offer a realistic prospect of significant change – which he is NOT doing. The abstract `policies` being put forward offer no prospect for real change, and therefore diminish hope. The Tories have the opportunity to secure a massive majority at the election, but they have blown that prospect away.
Cameron stopped doing that precisely when he saw the lower foothills of the monumental fiscal mess (the summit’s hidden in cloud). Not a coincidence.
Long term, he’d prefer a Labour government having to follow IMF strictures for another year or two, not the Conservatives getting the flack.
11 :- And the rest of the West Country.
NuLibor had its chance – and up-fucked it !
12 years – what hoons !!
Goodbye Loser !!!
Calm down dear it’s only an election.
Michael !! Is that you who?
If by some machination Labour does win the next election, I’ll put a tenner on major civil disorder breaking out shortly thereafter.
‘No more nails’ that fixes most things I break.
Can I have my £100 grand please.
I thought ‘no more nails’ was how Mc Snottie will be described when he’s finally forced to release his grip on Drowning Street.
Expect lots more behind the scenes panicked reshuffling as it becomes clear just how total liebors annihilation at the election will be.
Laughed or cried when I saw that the Conservatives only got 1075 votes in the Glasgow North east By-Election. Change Cameron for Hague and things might change for the better.
It does not matter who or what or why the leader of the tories are in shitholes like Glasgow North East.
It is, was and forever will be, the kind of place where socialist parasites leach away all hope and ferment eternal hopelessness.
Desire to succeed, ambition, can do mentality, are replaced with welfarism, victimhood and state reliance, from the cradle to their very early graves.
They are just eternal fodder to the ideology that has destroyed them, but that is nothing new, socialism destroys everything eventually.
True. Similar to Liverpool – and Boris was right!
They’re bricking themselves. They’re going to try and get round to the Tory way of thinking in the hope that they won’t loose all their jobs after the election, what a bunch of spineless bastards.
We will never have a civil society where the idle receive more money for being idle than a man going to work
Benefits should only consist of the very basics, a warm private room with a a bathroom and toilet facilities, clean clothing and enough food to meet the government’s recommended daily guidlines – then that is it, if you want more from life, get a job.
Ha! I know people with backbreaking jobs labouring who dont have that simple modicum of security and comfort. They’re not classed as ‘vulneable’, see.
cant they just leave us alone
I think you’ll find that’s what a Civil Society entails!
I will send you the necessary 10 forms, for you to apply to be considered for being left alone.
You realise this will be contrary to hundreds of EU directives and regulations and that as part of being left alone, you will have to report daily to you local police station, so that you health and safety can be monitored.
Finally I will forward your application to the several hundred QUANGOS who will have to consent to your request to be left alone.
This communication is being monitored for training and other purposes which are secret
Brilliant!
And then of course there’s the fee you’ll have to find so the EU Court of Human rights can decide what ‘alone’ means (most probably 30 years’ solitary confinement in Hague prison).
Hague prison would suit me – 14 pints a day and all the Ffion you can eat
But What if you were pregnant and didn’t decorate your home upto the expectations of the UK Stasi?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1226486/Police-report-pregnant-woman-social-services-half-decorated-home.html
Gordon Brown has today initiated a major new initiative to ‘get people to vote’ in marginal seats at the next General Election. This follows on from a similar scheme succesfully tested in yesterdays Glasgow North East by-election.
The scheme will incentivise people who would not normally vote, to make the effort and to be rewarded at the same time. Mr Brown states £200m pounds will be made available for the scheme which will be ‘independently audited’ .Voters will be given £50:00 when their vote has been cast. To avoid fraud the cash will only be given out when the voting form has been ‘checked and has been filled in correctly’ .
Mr Brown says ‘ It is the right thing to do, people vote and get rewarded for doing so’
It worked inn the seventeenth century
I prefer rotten boroughs where you don’t have to bother with an electorate at all.
Voting should be compulsory with a modest fine, say twenty five pounds for those who choose not to go to a polling station. Spoiling a ballot is not subject to a fine and counts as a vote (that can’t count, but there we are).
Brilliant!
I’ll be OK then – I always just add a ‘None of the above’ candidate at the bottom and place my cross there.
Parliament should be selected by lot, as in Athenian times – we’d still have twats in charge, but probably fewer venal and self-serving twats than we get under the current elective dictatorship.
How about instead of a fine, which is authoritarian and repressive, pay twenty five pounds to each person that turns up to vote?
Brilliant, rush it through in time for May 2010!
Squirm scum, squirm!
Hahahaha
Postal voting should be available, but strictly restricted to those who can prove that they cannot get to a polling station.
Exactly. That would do away with the mass fiddles now prevalent in certain inner city areas where there is still no proper effective monitoring or checking against either fraud or undue influence.
Knowing politicians and the civil service,following many meetings they will decide on the short term option of investing in ‘I cant Believe Its no more nails’
So society will still be broken but covered in what looks like dried up cum.
Guido why are you so certain of not only a Conservative victory, but a comfortable one?
I cant see that happening at all.
Brown has achieved one thing during his wretched years in Government: a huge swathe of the populace believes itself to be dependent upon free money/non jobs handed out by Labour, not the ‘Government’.
This huge section of society cares not one jot whether it is moral to choose not to work, they just want other people’s cash.
If one considers the accepted ‘facts’ with regards Brown/Labour, why are the polls so close?
eg) They haven’t spent enough money on the troops.
Promises that the economic cycle had been stopped, proved to be delusions of a twisted mind.
Assurances that Britain would be first out of recession proved to be lies/delusions,
The private pension system turned to ruins by Labour’s theft of hard working people’s money.
The structural deficit threatening to bankrupt Britain,(where would state hand-outs be drawn under these conditions?)
Add crime, and social breakdown to the list and wonder why this shower of liars, thieves and incompetents are not 25 points behind.
When push comes to shove on election day the hordes of professional benefits scroungers, the work shy, the disability fraudsters, the state employed paper shufflers, and the other dregs will be roused to get up, put on some traccy bottoms, don a pair of slippers, and take the electric mobility cart to the polling booth to keep our Scotch masters in power.
And I am unanimous in that
67.03% plus postal voters couldn’t arsed in a safe Labour constituency.
You’re right, Labour probably will win, but don’t despair, that way lies revolution.
The “silent majority” will turn out in their millions. McRuin and Zanulab will be slaughtered.
A hung Parliament is the most that Cameron can expect. He is playing too defensive, non controversial a line to seize the initiative.
Hung parliament = AAA withdrawn = IMF
Labour 4th term = AAA withdrawn = IMF
Conservative government = AAA retained = 15 years hard slog to get back to where we were when labour got in (at best).
and after the hard slog the inevitable Labour claims of the “wasted generation” and “nasty party” and so Labour get elected again to wreak havoc again.
How to end the cycle? Intelligence tests for voters? No representation without taxation? Something must be done.
That’s it in a nutshell.
Getting a large proportion of the electorate to understand that is more difficult.
Labour 4th term = AAA withdrawn = IMF = Revolution = The end of the troughing pigs and the return of our nation to the British people.
Vote Labour, you know it makes sense.
“No representation without taxation”
Something has gone seriously wrong in our society. Have you seen all the middle class parents squealing like little piggies because their childcare vouchers are about to be cut? Whatever happened to taxing the rich only during wartime and leaving everyone else alone? Peeps make a big deal about Labour’s scorched Earth-this and -that, which is understandable, but perhaps their real achievement is turnings sexually mature adults into trembling, infantile swine.
The state should tax people equally. Taxes should only be used for negative externalities. One of these is the land right the government creates. This could raise around 7000
Working has almost no negative externalities and is VASTLY over-taxed.
Land/Rent-seeking is vastly under-taxed. AS MPs are heavily invested into the rent-seeking sector I cannot see taxation moving towards sense.
That is right. Look at the Obama victory to see the impact of a mass mobilisation of the underclass and its dependent masters can achieve.
Tory attempts to patronise the underclass will not change such impact.
“which neither the state nor the market have the ability to solve” …
A few lessons in basic literacy for the entire staff of the Cabinet Office might be a good way to begin.
It’s what they were taught on their bonus-rich diversity training.
Actually, better just to fire them all. No civil servants = no ability to make new laws or enforce existing ones = no abilty to fuck things up even more.
The American system is better. Bagehot and Northcott-Trevellyan may have seen the impartial civil service as an ideal feature of British political life but that feature has now been totally destroyed.
Better make them sit an exam like the Civil Service exams of old… anything less than a 60% pass mark = the sack.
Nooooooo! That would ruin our diversity targets!
Do you mean that there are no civil service exams any more? Not that it would make much difference – just about the first thing Blair did when he came to power was to set up a class of political advisers that deliberately circumvented the (then fairly impartial) civil service, before comprehensively politicising it. Cameron’s adopted the New Labour techniques, and is vanishingly unlikely to return civil service impartiality.
“to briefly to respond”
Damned controversial, these split infinitives.
Better swing both ways if we want to demonstrate inclusivity, eh, Julian?
I did remember to change that initial, somewhat superior, “I” to a “we” though, you’ll notice.
Not a royal “we”, of course.
Erm…
I’m intrigued by what thinking might be wanting to spring forth from beneath the crushing weight of such nihilistic and desperate language – it sounds all rather ‘green ideas sleep furiously’ stuff.
Unlike this other Mr Blond, I would advise the Cabinet Office that their expensive attempt to build a citizen database of their own is perfectly ridiculous, but too expensive by far as a practical joke at the public expense.
If only the wonkery could be exported to Bonnie Scotland… They like that sort of thing up there.
Better still, grant the Scots full independence then permanently close the border! Scotland would be a self governing statelet, and could rely on extracting oil (just like NYC in ‘Escape from New York’!)
Choose your next witticism wisely, Mr. Blond, it may be your last.
I fear, Sir Willy, you have stumbled over the secret password.
A “reconstituted associative culture” might be something you’d find in a microbiologist’s petri dish. The plan therefore must be to solve all our social ills by waging biological warfare on the populace. Now I’d vote for that, as long as I get a dose of the vaccine.
Where the hell has Wayne gone?
He’s gone to do what Neanderthal footie players go to do; get drunk, crash cars, punch people, spit-roast 15 year old girls in hotel rooms, collect an OBE from Gordon, that kind of thing.
No doubt he’ll be back soon.
Some background on Philip Blond.
I was taught by him at St Martins Collage in Theology a few years ago.
Decent sort, incredibly intelligent but a bit of a nut job at times. His views on Catholicism + politics always seem to go against the grain in some way.
Post-bureaucratic age?
]Have you not heard of the EU?
The coming age will be an Ultra-bureaucratic age.
Papierin! Schnell!
I’m not really anti-German, but it is a great language to be officious in.
They’ll be ‘thinking the unthinkable’, then? A Labour-free government?
It’s possible that after the General Election only seats like Glasgow East will return Labour politicians? And wasn’t Willie Bain a greasy, oily piece of work?
oleaginous man wins by-election, Lord Mandelson named politician of the year” Rather like Goebbels being declared: ‘communicator of the year.’ Households receiving benefits over £15,000 a year doubled under Labour, bereaved families to be barred from inquests
Envy will get you everywhere O didums!
Glasgow wasn’t envy it was neotony. It was the sheep voting to stay in the farmers pen, because “who else would feed them?”
It was indeed. Surprising then that the Tories are offering to feed them. They will simply spit the new food out and it will do the Tories no good at all.
Was bitt’ schön ist eine “Papierin”?
“Dear Colleague”
I hate that.
Translation: “Kameraden!“
Liebe Zuschauer.
Auf mein Befehl. Macht euch nackig!
I can’t believe that you actually are buying Cameron’s line on cutting quangos and bureaucracy. When was the last time that any political party didn’t promise this? And has it happened? No!
By writing this you have revealed yourself to be a bit of an idiot GF.
Maybe stick to mudslinging, conspiracy theories and who is banging who in future. You are actually quite good at that, well you seem to be better at that than actual politics!
I don’t normally support Brixjac but his recent comments have changed my mind completely!
Before the election the leader of the Tory oposition declared he would reduce the number of cabinet seats on the council. He won the election. And caused outraged screams from Labour because he honoured his manifesto pledge!
Don’t worry dear. It’s just a society. Claim for it on your no-fuss insurance.
I’ve got Charles Bronson’s number somewhere if they don’t pay up.
Have a glass of Hildon Water – Michael.It’ll cool you down before your 5 course lunch
You are Master Baiter – I claim my $50
Mending a broken society without the right tools (capital and corporal punishment) will be impossible.
More coppers is not the answer. Less coppers with the full weight of the judiciary and punishment behind them is.
No politician has the balls to do what needs to be done and the EU will not allow it anyway added to which nearly half of the criminals swinging from a rope would be Black.That would not be acceptable.
Multiculturalism and the EU has and will continue to dictate how we manage our society.
Half the criminals swinging from a rope might be black but I suggest that the people for whom that would be ‘unnacceptable’ would not be the law-abiding black folk but the white, professionally ‘concerned’ bedwetting Guardianistas.
Agreed jgm2.
So basically we could simply ignore the Guardianistas. Fuck ‘em. There’s more decent, law-abiding voters than there are bedwetting, fantasy-island, Guardianistas so… fuck ‘em.
You murder somebody and you swing. Simple. Black, white, yellow. An equal opportunities policy that anybody could understand.
These guys will fade away – no more public sector jobs – in fact – if the Guardian goes – so will its readers
First you must remove their communication of lies from the population, end the TV-Tax.
Agreed JGM2. That is the `societal group` which needs undermining. David Cameron should bear this in mind. because if he does not he will stand no chance of succeeding – assuming he wasnts to `succeed` in this context.
It you really think that capital punishment reduces crime then you need to read some more! Support tougher (although not mandatory) sentences, not just reactionary hang of flog em crap. Talk like that is not going to get us anywhere! Idiot
I would suggest that capital punishment does reduce crime. You certainly don’t get any repeat offenders.
Clod
Go away spoof Baiter.
I have had enough of fame!
Scotland is Labour’s private kingdom.
That is all.
Julie Kirkbride was a member of the Tory Reform Group at Cambridge.
Brixjac:
Yep,the last 40 years has been a raging success.
I raise you one idiot and call you an arsehole.
Until you show me any country that has capital punishment and lower crime rates i shall continue to call you and anyone who agrees with you an idiot, and i’ll arsehole to that aswell.
Regards
History and crime statistics for the last 40 odd years in this country back my case and condemn yours.
Next.
Show me a country that got rid of Capital Punishment and then saw crime fall.
You cannot.
Yeah because all crime in the last 40 years is because we got of the death penalty. there are no other factors involved at all. Do you really think that crime would magically fall if we brought back the death penalty? Really?
Come back to me when you have read a book and thought some things through…
I don’t even know why we are discussing this. Its not going to happen anyway!
Well you are right on one thing it wont come back for the reasons I gave at the start but not because it is a failed policy.
By the way we do have the death penalty in this country.
But in the worst way, at the end of a barrel of a gun held by a copper.
people getting shot dead for crimes that wouldn’t even be a capital offence under the old system.
The current solution will only mean more armed coppers not less,more innocent shot than hung in the old days.
fucking marvelous.
I’ve just seen the victorious Labourites on Sky News. The good people of Glasgow have elected a wee smurf.
let them have their fun, it’s just delaying the inevitable. Brown’s fall will be all the sweeter, believe me.
O Fhlu\ir na h-Albann,
cuin a chi\ sinn
an seo\rsa laoich
a sheas gu ba\s ‘son
am bileag feo\ir is fraoich,
a sheas an aghaidh
feachd uailleil Iomhair
‘s a ruaig e dhachaidh
air chaochladh smaoin?
Na cnuic tha lomnochd
‘s tha duilleach Foghair
mar bhrat air la\r,
am fearann caillte
dan tug na seo\id ud gra\dh,
a sheas an aghaidh
feachd uailleil Iomhair
‘s a ruaig e dhachaigh
air chaochladh smaoin.
Tha ‘n eachdraidh du\inte
ach air di\ochuimhne
chan fheum i bhith,
is faodaidh sinn e\irigh
gu bhith nar Ri\oghachd a-ri\s
a sheas an aghaidh
feachd uailleil Iomhair
‘s a ruaig e dhachaidh
air chaochladh smaoin.
There is no place for that gobbledygook in the Scottish Labour Junta. Now repeat after me.
Scotland is Labour’s private kingom.
That is all.
Hahahahahaha
That is a nother Mater Baiter spoof.
Hahahaha
No you are the spoof, and a Conservitude imposter.
Hahahahahahaha
Another Master Baiter spoof, fame at last!
Thanks for the name check.
Hahahaha
I hungrily scoff my own poo.
That, sadly, is all.
Spoof away dimwit, spoof away.
Grrrr!
Hahahaha
Ah, the Cornish language, so lyrical.
Ohh goody. I love anagrams.
Gu fosgarra, a rùin, ‘s mi a tha coma!
We have a lot in common.
Look, flower, we don’t do Gaelic in here
)
O/T What about Keetch!
Who dares wins ?
Isn’t “a reconstituted associative culture” a kind of yoghurt used for treating thrush?
Well, many people feel that Britain is suffering from an unpleasant anti-social complaint.
It’s called Brown.
we need to Gordasil to stop the HSV (Human Socialist Virus) infection.
Yeah, always was a wanker
A load of welfare-dependant Jocks in Glasgow NE and a Labour postal votes scam has finally convinced me that I will vote Conservative in the general election to help get Labour out.
Everyone I’ve spoken to about it, at work this morning, feels the same way.
Nobody with half a working brain-cell seriously expects the Conservatives to be utterly wonderful – politics just doesn’t work like that – but you do feel that they would try to govern in the best interests of the country as a whole, and not for narrow party political gain as Labour seem to have been doing recently.
Recently? This has been their raison d’etra.
Horrible thought.
In a years time there might be a Tory “master baiter” swooning daily over Dave’s brilliance.
recently???? that’s all Labour have ever done
It should also convince all right thinking Englishmen that an independent Scotland will not come soon enough.
For all the people considering voting UKIP, did you see the parade of potential new leaders of that party? Fookin hell, it was like the Munsters family reunion!
I read somewhere once the SNP have a cunning plan. Come independence all UK nationals and business will have 30 days to relocate to Scotland where they will be able to claim Jockness under a 20% income and 10% corporate tax rate. Brown would die of a broken heart, lol!
I hope Brummie isn`t disappointed or let down.
Enjoyed the slapping down of the spooky Conservitude woman about her QinetiQ defense industry spoils by Will Self on QT last night.
She walked straight in to it and didn’t seem to recover from the shock for the rest of the programme. But she is pretty amazing for someone aged 104.
They’re all in it together.
I still think Will Self is a Cu*t but yes she went cross eyed after that.
He may be somewhat self regarding, but that was masterful use of a baseball bat.
I thought he was very (unnecessarily so) rude
And his faceware – he looked like he’d won a ‘go away you’re ugly’ contest
People are bought easily. She has been.
Will Self was very rude but not rude enough.
The defence industry is the biggest scam in the country.
They’re all in it together.
You can say that now that the defence industry has closed down in “your” constituancy.
But I know who I would wish to be looking after HomeLand security and it would’nt be WS. It so easy for these guys to come on a show, make a remark and walk away, oh very clever. In the real world, you need people with experience and knowledge to tackle the nutters out there wishing us harm.
And then having retired (which she has) go on to reap one hundred and fifty thousand pounds a year as a non executive director of a division of the Ministry of Defence that has been ‘privatised’ and given a daft name like QinetiQ, who could fault it?
They’re all in it together.
Make all troughing piggies squeal. We love it.
Will Self is a w*nker, though.
The armed forces are a tool of the Conservitudes.
Repeat after me,
Scotland is Labour’s private kingdom.
That is all.
Hahahahaha
Yet another Master Baiter spoof, thanks for the name check again!
Fame at last!
Hahahaha
I’m hopeless at even coming up with witty comebacks to myself.
Ask yourself this question.
How DO I find time to post my Goebbels for Gordon tosh on here?
That is all, shell suits all round (remember that one folks!).
Oh no the relentless attack and so personal, what a spoof!
Woof woof woof
Wit is wasted on dimwits.
Hahahaha
Oh, no, not again….
I’m not normally unnecessarily rude to people MB, but Will Self was. So what if she was a director of Qnetiq? Bet Self gets more than 120 grand a year for his pithy witticisms and puerile sarcasm, so what’s his beef with someone who earns money from helping the nation’s defence?
I’ve sung karaoke and got pissed with Pauline, and she’s a very nice and intelligent woman. If I’d been there then Mr Self would be eating through a straw today.
I did prefer Humphries to Dimblebollocks as a host, though – he didn’t half give it to Turncoat Woodward.
Master Baiter eats his own poo, thumbs up from me!
…eats HER own poo.
woof woof
Hahaha
Not fussy dear, any poo will do!
She was taking the line against modestly paid civil servants in the MoD getting meager bonuses. She walked straight in to Will Self’s QinetiQ barb. She deserved a lot more barbs except she spent the rest of the programme semi conscious clinging to the ropes with her head lolling to one side. She was the Conservitude member of the panel, wasnt’ she?
They’re all in it together.
Hahahaha
Time for lunch you horrible little twot, and a hot bath of Dettol to get rid of all that filthy spunk!
She’s a spook, not a public speaker – if some bastard personally attacked you in the first minute of an hour’s programme, wouldn’t you be slightly put off?
She also has this odd habit of thinking before speaking – hence the hesitations that made you think she was ‘clinging to the ropes’. We need more people like her in public life, not fewer, and if you disagree then you’re just a fan of glib arseholes who can spout prepared shit at the drop of a hat like that fraud Woodward with his direct insult to previous General Chiefs of Staff.
Oh, and she does a great ‘Mack the Knife’.
Fuck me – I’ve just reread that sentence and it was almost worthy of Bernard fucking Levin.
Sorry!
And your apology was almost worthy of Levin fucking Bernard.
Will Self is a very clever for a smackeroon.
That Tory blonde was pathetic. I’ve seen her on QT before – I thought Heseltine had just come back from snip-op in Thailand. She should have shouted at Self: “Are you some kind of communist motherfucker? What’s wrong with earning mega-bucks in a free market if some wanker wants to pay me it?”. No backbone!
She’s polite and educated – unlike me who is impolite and educated.
Face to face, she is a formidably intelligent woman and very good company. She just isn’t into spouting glib shite for the sake of it.
Well, she could have put Self down with a polite witticism. He would have appreciated it. She didn’t defend herself, so from there on in she was marginalised from the discussion.
I get the feeling the Tories are scared to say ‘boo’ incase a faux pas costs them the election – witness the criticism of the Sun and the sympathy for Brown on the programme. In case nobody remembers, Brown phoned up a grieving mother and argued with her about the state of his fucking hand writing and the equipment levels in theatre. He’s a misogynistic monster!
So you have got pissed with Pauline. She is still an idiot. An idiot who has the nerve to criticise other people’s pay packages whilst racking it in for a company who leaches off the defence budget. She should be ashamed. Massively ashamed.
So should Labour for letting it happen.
I preferred Baroness Pauline ‘vomiting on his (woodward’s) hypocrisy’
Want to know why civil society is disapeering?
It’s because society (mutualism and volunteering) is being replaced by extortion and regulation (government).
Botulism?
Do you boil your own poo before consuming it, to be safe?
Just curious.
There’s no answer to that, curses out smarted again!
How cynical are the current government going to be?
I gather it is regarded as good form in the months prior to a likely change of governing party for the Civil Service to inform likely incoming ministers, for likely incoming ministers to hold discussions with Civil Servants, and for the government to facilitate this as far as practicable for the sake of continuing good governance.
We,ve already heard of information requested by the shadow Treasury team being deliberately withheld by the government. Will there be more of this in the months to come?
Last two elections the Civil Service were very pefunctory in “briefing” the opposition . This time they seem strangely subservient and willing to please.
Maybe even they can’t wait to get rid of their current ‘masters’.
Willing to please? They’ll only come up to your knees next…
In a civil society this site would not exist.
Hahahaha
Five more years of my idiocy and we won’t even have electricity never mind the internet.
In a civil society you would have a real job.
Calm down dear.
‘ere stop messin’ abaaaht!
Spoof Master Baiter, wow this is more than anyone could even dream of!
Hahahaha
Thought you were ‘George Osborne’.
Thin skinned little creep, are you not Baiter.
Teeheehee
Fortunately not thin skinned at all.
Persistent, determined, clever, funny, informed, incisive, and other similar adjectives apply.
Confident, masterful, persuasive, likable and so on.
There’s a ship load of them.
You may go.
Hahahaha
MB. I think you’d have been more honest if you’d stopped at ‘persistent’. The rest is Brownian fiction.
jgm2, fair comment
Hahahaha
It’s Friday lunchtime – last one in the pub buys the drinks
In a civil society, it probably wouldn’t need to. Politicians would debate the issues, not try to spin them, bury bad news, or make up dodgy dossiers. In a civil society, the free press would report, comment and foster debate. In a civil society, local matters would be decided locally, and not centralised. In a civil society, we wouldn’t have been shackled to a huge, undemocratic monolith like the EU because we’d have had a referendum and made our wishes known, and in a civil society, government would be honour bound to take note of society’s feelings over matters like immigration, and not try to foist an unpopular policy on society by branding those who wished to discuss it openly and sensibly as racists.
And in a genuinely civil society any government or ruler that sought to impose the nightmare scenario you describe would be summarily shot.
About balance isn’t it? Here the non-state institutions are increasingly swamped or absorbed or controlled by the state; take scouting. It was entirely independent, but every single year it is having to deal with more and more form filling and hoop jumping, by a state that cannot accept anything should remain outside of it.
No suprises – the state is everything, and everything in the state. it wa either Musso or Polly Toynbee who said that, and Uncle Joe was a fan too. Socialism, national or international, cannot accept a potent civil society. especially not an armed civil society. It is a bulwark against their control and cannot be permitted.
Right sentiments, Engineer, but naieve.
You’d better believe it pal. And the stuff we do release will be filled with lies to conceal just how badly fucked the economy is. Because if I was in opposition and I had sight of the real figures I’d be screaming my fucking head off about how fucked it is.
And, since I wouldn’t trust myself I’m certainly not going to trust you Tory fuckers.
So I’m saving that little suprise for June 2010.
Vote Labour.
Ooops. Reply to Engineer @ 123. I never was any good with numbers.
A friend of mine lives in a Muslim country (a moderate one) she is also a DR
On her ward she has 6 abused abused children, 5 raped by a teacher the other by her stepfather
They are all aged between 7 and 9
The abusers are looking forward to a severe whipping and many years in jail.
Say what you like about muslims they understand a spot of punishment.
A ‘Broken Society’, as far as it means anything, is the inevitable result of the decline of normal religion (as opposed to fanaticism) and religion-substitutes such as patriotism, socialism and so on. Capitalism is the best way of producing goods and services but it does not provide the basis for people to live together; nor does government based on regulation and micro-management. We need a return to rational, moderate faith.
Amen – Sir William – Amen
Much truth in that. A moral framework informs a decent society.
My faith in the Flying Spaghetti Monster is what keeps me through long cold nights. That, and masturbation.
Sir WW – I agree entirely.
I come from a mixed Methodist – Chapel background, and have no belief in God or gods, but the values of that background are grounded in the Gospels and whether there is any historical truth in them or not, there is certainly moral truth.
There are those, though, who take the message of the Gospels to mean socialism and communitarianism – this is what led Blair to his mad experiment that has ruined the country I love. Being a (non-God) Christian is entirely compatible with capitalism, and no true Christian would have deregulated the moneylenders to the extent that Blair and Brown did as soon as they entered power.
Some Christians are more dangerous than others – be very careful how you choose.
Chortle. I wonder would you be seeking the role of Channeling Gods word??
A moral society is a reciprocal society and Adam Smith capitalism fits this exactly.
Religion is not reciprocal, it always ends up with special rights for the currently favoured priests and his followers. The Pope has his own country FFS.
Religious obedience replaces morality, and is always abused.
“Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.”
- Seneca
When I hear the phrase “reconstituted associative culture”, I reach for my gun.
Anyone who writes or talks like that has had their brain replaced, and needs … removing.
Fair comment. I second that.
I decent culture would let you reach for a very large gun indeed.
I’m afraid you’ve used ‘rational’ and ‘faith’ in the same sentence there Sir William.
They’re kind of mutually exclusive.
But only ‘kind of’, you say. Could the difference between a rational induction, and unlike Kafka’s beetle, being able to get out of bed in the morning, be just a matter of ‘faith’?
any ‘breakdown’ has been caused by the people at the top!
liars,cheats and thieves………and then they get away with it!
why would anyone have respect for law or others when the 646 slags in the hoc +lords+business dont give a fuck about anyone or anything apart from themselves?
That will certainly be my defence in any forthcoming trial. And re-trial. And re-trial. Thankyou Jack Straw.
BluLabour = Cameronian Blair2.0
Germany, the zone’s biggest economy, confirmed its recovery, after exiting recession in the second quarter, when it said that GDP increased by 0.7 per cent in the third quarter. France also underlined its recovery, with 0.3 per cent growth.Italy also emerged from recession today, with quarterly growth of 0.6 per cent.
Britain remains the only leading economy still in recession after America joined Germany, France, Japan and China in exiting the downturn.
SO WE ARE THE ‘BEST PLACED’? ANOTHER BROWN BULLSHIT LIE!
still never mind the boe are nuts too-
earlier this week, the Bank of England revised upwards its forecasts for growth from 1.9 per cent to 2.1 per cent in 2010, and from 3 per cent to 4 per cent in 2011, saying that the weak pound and its £200 billion money-printing scheme were likely to restore confidence.
so increaing the cost of raw materials and printing funny money will restore confidence? ffs! has mervyn ever heard of the weimar republic or rhodesia?
if it is such a great idea to print money why dont they print £10 million for each of us?
then we will all be multimillionaires and live a life of luxury! simple really!
I’ll give you a clue. The figures are a total fantasy and that holds as true in the countries of Europe as it does in the U.K.
Germany, the zone’s biggest economy, confirmed its recovery, after exiting recession in the second quarter, when it said that GDP increased by 0.7 per cent in the third quarter. France also underlined its recovery, with 0.3 per cent growth.Italy also emerged from recession today, with quarterly growth of 0.6 per cent.
Britain remains the only leading economy still in recession after America joined Germany, France, Japan and China in exiting the downturn.
SO WE ARE THE ‘BEST PLACED’? ANOTHER BROWN BULLSHIT LIE!
still never mind the boe are nuts too-
earlier this week, the Bank of England revised upwards its forecasts for growth from 1.9 per cent to 2.1 per cent in 2010, and from 3 per cent to 4 per cent in 2011, saying that the weak pound and its £200 billion money-printing scheme were likely to restore confidence.
so increaing the cost of raw materials and printing funny money will restore confidence? ffs! has mervyn ever heard of the weimar republic or rhodesia?
if it is such a great idea to print money why dont they print £10 million for each of us?
then we will all be multimillionaires and live a life of luxury! simple really!
The Conservitudes are in favour of QE (quantitative easing), becasue it’s the right thing to do!
Hahahaha
Whereas Master Baiter, as he frequently mentions, consumes his own shit.
Nice one spotty!
Aha, perhaps this is a smear campaign of the lowest kind, who could be behind it (get it) and how can it be curtailed?
Oh woe what a challenge.
Dimwit
Hahahaha
Oooooh I like it when smeared!
I seek a kindred spirit like you dear!
I see pravda reckon Labour holding their safest seat, a seat they’ve held since the dark ages, is a “damatic victory”.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/8358429.stm
What arseholes they are. Can you imagine working for BBC news? I wonder if they’re aware of what contempt they are held in. I think I’ll email again and tell them.
“Dear cocksuckers…
As the Beeb’s 90% gay they’d probably email you back asking for a (man)date
O/T (slightly) but a very illuminating piece in the DM today about sex trafficking which – surprise surprise – turns out not to be an issue in the UK after all. I remember Harperson and her shrill sisters using the supposed prevalence of sex trafficking as a guilt-edged political weapon to bring in various forms of anti-male, anti-father legislation. It is now quite clear that Hattie et all just made up the figures to suit their political and personal prejudices.
Just another example of Nulab b’itches (of both sexes) lying through their teeth in order to achieve whatever end they think justifies such appalling means. Totally unaware or uncaring that in the process, they have dome more damage to family and the wider social structure than any comic-book Eastern European villains could have achieved.
Its a lie I tell you even if Paxman looked like he was going to “lamp” me. I read it in “the Mirror” !!!
Sex trafficking?
Sex at 60 is great, but get someone else to do the driving.
Labour = Tax & Spend
Labour = Extort and Squander
The Glasgow by-election voting paper in full:
“Place an X in the first box (or ask someone to help you):
[]Those nice Scottish people who send you money each week
[]Those nasty English people who want to take way all your money
[]ANP
[]BNP
[]CNP
[]DNP
…
[]RNP
[]SNP
[]TNP
…
[]ZNP”
O/T
EU STALLS BANK DATA DEAL WITH US AHEAD OF LISBON TREATY
http://euobserver.com/9/28984
BRUSSELS / EUOBSERVER – Opposition from four member states to a draft agreement between the EU and US allowing the use of banking data in anti-terrorist investigations is likely to delay a decision until after 1 December, drawing the European Parliament into the decision making process.
Citing data privacy concerns, Germany, Austria, France and Finland are opposing the text negotiated by the Swedish EU presidency and the European Commission allowing American authorities access to information from the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (Swift) – the interbank transfer service.
The Belgian company plans to move its back-up database from the US to Switzerland
Since 2006, Swift had been in the centre of a major EU-US row, after it emerged that the American authorities had been secretly using information on European transactions as part of the so-called War on Terror.
A Belgium-based company, Swift keeps a backup database on US soil, which the Bush administration was using in the context of terrorist investigations.
The company records international transactions worth trillions of dollars daily, between nearly 8,000 financial institutions in over 200 countries. It is about to set up a Switzerland-based back-up database, which will allow for the European information no longer to be stored in the US, which is why the Obama administration is negotiating a legal framework for data exchange with the EU, to enter into force next year.
The Swedish EU presidency was hoping to reach a deal done on 30 November, when EU justice and home affairs ministers are set to meet in Brussels.
But German justice minister Sabine Leutheusser-Schnarrenberger, a liberal politician, said she was against a deal which allowed large quantities of data to be transferred without “legal protection provisions” in place, she told the Berliner Zeitung on Thursday (12 November).
Her comments were echoed by Austrian interior minister Maria Fekter, who said she would also oppose the deal…………
Thanks for that and thank God for the EU!
Julie Kirkbride had a Saturday job on Marks & Spencer when she was ay scool in Halifax.
Shame it wasn’t Hartlepool
And Julie Kirkbride lived in a lovely house overlooking the park in Halifax with mother Barbara, sister Karen, and brother Ian. Official vesrion: a terraced house in the back streets with an outside toilet. Spin. Spin. Spin. She`s still at it!
Barbara lives in a luxury flat overlooking the abbey in Cirencester.
Ian lives in a luxury flat in a stately house in Bromsgrove, courtesy of public funds paid by little sister Julie Kirkbride.
Karen the sister lives in a luxury detached house on the south coast, with a subsidy of £20, 000 per annum towards its upkeep from public funds supplied by Julie Kirkbride.
You naive fool MB.
Keep the corruption in the EU secret from freedom-of-Information act USA.
…Oh yeah and have a record of all EU economic activity for the EU financial transaction tax the Americans have just shot down.
Goldman Sachs shot it down, isn’t it?
Emperor Jagang and his imperial order are alive and well and running the UK into the ground.
Once Labour are ousted Cameron should reverse Scottish dependence on the English taxpayer by introducing a toilet tax in Scottish pubs or for urinating in their vicinity.This should raise millions and would recirculate the benefit money in deprived areas such as Glasgow North East.
The useless twats at the Cabinet Office could do with a kick up their arse, maybe Blond on Blond will deliver the first of many
Is that written in English, or is it New Speak?
Blond can fuck right off.
I think “they” are more concerned about communications, when “they” say breakdown of society (Broken Society my arse) I think “they” really mean the bullshite “they” have been used to trotting out to the masses is being ignored, laughed at and recognized for what it is “propaganda”
Must be a bugga when your old method of influence is not working quite so well and, has all the hallmarks of an irreversible breakdown.
The Strategy Unit is basically trying to find new ways to flog a dead horse.
Wake up “they” you have been rumbled!
When you have to “reconstitute an associative culture” you know there is no hope! People from strong associative cultures reconstitute themselves…they don’t need governments to do it.
“reconstitute an associative culture” this will happen fast after the election and anyone who doesn’t like it will be deported and if UK born may be tried and sentenced to hard Labour.