Well it didn’t take UKIP long. Nigel Farage says: “We can now see how gutless and dishonest the Conservative Party has been about their intentions on a referendum.”
Not completely fair, but unless Cameron comes up with a formula that satisfies Hannan et al, he is in a bit of trouble…
Guido understands that we are going to be told the new formula tomorrow afternoon.
Digested Read : Maya by Alastair Campbell – John Crace
What Happened To 19 Secretive Tories? – LibDemVoice
Charged MPs Still Take Labour Whip – Paul Waugh
Labour Distances Itself from Official Law Firm – Iain Dale
Labour Party’s Solicitor Defends Theft Charged MPs’ – Telegraph
Doing Emotional – Jon Craig
Gordon Brown’s Policy Inventions - Fink
Conservatives Need Clear, Discernable Principles – Fraser Nelson
Union’s £75 Million Lever on Labour – News of the Screws
Cameron Has to Come Up With Something Better – Fraser Nelson
Republican Twitter Kings – Time
Prosecute Racketeering MPs – Times
Yeo’s Pre-Blogged Ambush – Indy
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Sarah Palin said…
“A year later, I gotta ask the supporters of all that, ‘How’s that hopey, changey thing working out for ya?’ “
-Gilts (Mar)
As of 28 Jan 2010 +5.8%
David Cameron IS “gutless and dishonest” for reneging on a promised referendum on the Lisbon Treaty
Picture a dog relieving itself against a cast iron lamp post.
Now picture Cameo’s ‘cast iron guarantee’.
Best Czech what other guarantees the Conservitudes offer?
Papier mache?
Chocolate?
Blanc mange?
Angel Delight?
Now picture the Conservitudes’ view of the people of Britain.
Tally ho!
Congratulations Dave. Just imagine if this had dragged on into election year. OK, you’ll lose about .01% of your potential votes, but hey who’s counting?
FKIN AMAZING !
Those kunts ZanuLabor sell us out to the EU and the daft phuckers on here blaming the Tories for it !
Vent your anger at the trecherous bastards that pushed the thing through.
Blair / Brown / Millitwat et all need to be Hung Drawn & fkin kicked to death.
I hope this election is fought on Europe & Labour get so badly killed they never will recover.
What chump would believe a word from “Cast Iron Daves” mouth now?
His credibility is in shreds.
These are fact you asshole
We HATE Brown for selling us out to Europe. So why should we forgive Cameron for doing EXACTLY THE FUCKING SAME???
UKIP needs to go in for the kill on BOTH treasonous parties and go after the seriously pissed off disenfranchised voter.
There are MILLIONS of votes.
0.1%? you fucking wish!
DAVE has turned the General election into the EU referendum.
Do not get pissed @ UKIP, or Labour for that. Labour always was going to sell us out and Betray us. It is what they do.
But it is Cameron that has copied him. UKIP did not force him to.
Or are you just jealous that UKIP stands for the British people and the Tories DON’T!
Why is is so difficult for some tories to understand that Dave Cameron has SOLD US ALL OUT?
I am NEVER going to support an EU dictatorship, and Camerons supine capitulation to it will not make any difference to that!
Dave threw the election away today!
In your dreams Mr Ned, you deluded arsehole.
oh dear: the liar, thief and housing benefit cheat, david cameron, has proved himself to be completely unfit to hold the office of Prime Minister of Great Britain. the lying fucking c’unt.
note to dave: maybe you could go back into PR? you never really left.
and so, thanks to your own inability to tell the truth you have been exposed as A FUCKING LYING THIEF WHO IS FULL OF SHIT and as everybody knows the truth about you, that you are a dodgy skanky motherfucker you are that you have no other option but to fuck off out of public life. you thieving dodgy fucking c’unt. you are a spineless self serving thief with not an ounce of worth to democracy indeed you are just a fucking liability, a two faced turncoat cowardly liar. a total c’unt.
politically speaking you are a dead man dave.
the conservative party will have to come up with a new leader now.
and as there are only six months left to the general election they will have to get a move on, innit.
OT
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/great-britain-loses-one-of-its-finest.htm
That tat tat is a (I)
and you anonymous have not got either the guts or wit to post a name.
you fucking coward.
what a pathetic c’unt you are.
At least we won’t be funding this bailout.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8341485.stm
General Motors (GM) has announced it has cancelled plans to sell its European car business Opel, including its UK brand Vauxhall.
Absolutely right.
New labour has volunteered the UK to be completely fucked, and now everyone is blaming Cameron for not being able to get Britannia’s virginity back after the shafting has taken place!
So what would a referendum on Lisbon achieve?
Would it reverse the treaty? NO!
Would it stop the changes to the systems of the EU? NO!
Would it matter the slightest, flying fuck? NO!
All it would do is risk splitting the right, and allowing the possibility (slim admittedly) of that incompetent twat to remain in No 10.
Cameron should not have been silly enough to use the words “cast iron” since it was not in his power to deliver, as events have proved.
But there is fuck all he can do now, the villains are Brown, Milliband and Mandleson, and everything else is just froth from labour or UKIP trolls.
Picture a dog relieving itself against a cast iron lamp post.
Now picture a Labour ‘manifesto’.
EU-Turn – the movie:
Picture a fap fap fap dog relieving itself against a fap fap fap cast iron lamp post. fap fap fap
Now picture Cameo’s fap fap fap ‘cast iron guarantee’. fap fap fap
Best fap fap fap Czech what other fap fap fap guarantees the fap fap fap Conservitudes offer?
Papier mache? fap fap fap
Chocolate? fap fap fap
Blanc mange? fap fap fap
Angel Delight? fap fap fap
Now fap fap fap picture the fap fap fap Conservitudes’ view of fap fap fap the people of Britain.
Tally ho!
fap fap fap fap fap fap
We’d rather hang the fucker who signed the treaty.
Agreed…
By the way…can anybody explain why wankers on here (and arseholes elsewhere) are saying DC has done a U turn? They are mistaken…or are they just stupid effing hoons?
Well Sky News are repeating it every 5 minutes and presumably Murdoch is going to be making Davy’s life hell for this for quite some time
That’s what the “reservations” meant when the Sun said it was backing Wavy Davy
If he wimps out on his Lisbon promise in the Sun Murdoch and his Papers will make sure everyone knows about
He has, they will
Dave C has shown himself to be a Hoon
you cannot argue with that
Boris is your man
PERIOD
EU for ever and all U- effers.
Master Wanker, why dont you wait until 4PM tomorrow I believe a surprise will be announced.
I’m sorry but the most important story today was the latest bailout proposals put forward by this government and the huge burden it places on the us as a country. Yet today on all the major news stations and on newsnight was the tories stance know the Lisbon treat will be ratified. Well deh its not the tories who mislead the electorate when they promised in their manifesto a referendum and then withdrew the promise as in their words the treaty does not represent a constitution nice play on words again by NuLabour. THe big story of today is another £39 Billion going into the banks and the mismanagement by this government of out economy. Brown pretty much instigated the bank merger by turning a blind eye (pun intended) to the monopoly issues that it would bring about. Again another blunder by this inept sorry excuse for a Prime Minister.
Yeah – the biggest story is the bank bail out. But PR genius Dave and his “cast iron guarantee” have given Gordo and his media luvvies an early Christmas.
It’s entirely predictable how this has been spun. And it was totally avoidable.
Master Baiter you are a disgusting wretch. You wouldn’t even help a lame dog. The best of all is you, yes you ,have the cheek to claim the moral high ground. To quote John Martyn you’re just the spit and polish on a fat man’s shiny shoe!!!
He’s a big muff, too
and Solid ( hot ) Air
Just completely IGNORE master baiter – he is either Gordon Broon or one of his effing cronies – IF YOU IGNORE THIS BASTARD, HE WILL STOP PUTTING HIS SHITE OPINIONS ON THE BLOG – PLEEEEEEEEEEESE IGNORE THE IGNORANT SHITE!!!!
MB, enjoy it while you can, the Glorious Leader snuck off to Europe to sign the treaty when everyone else had gone home. All Dave’s postions have been hypothetical and remain so – he is as unelected as the Glorious Leader after all.
Get my drift?
Just goes to show – you can’t take the bull(shit) out of a Bullingdon boy!
Nor out of a Liebore tribalist.
Hey MB. Didn’t we just show those deluded Eurosceptics how to behave in Europe. We are the ones who are at the heart of Europe so we don’t need any piddly rebate. It was only right for us to sign this Constitution thingy. The Europeans know how to run countries and will teach us a trick or two. Just like those super states from the 19th century, Austro-Hungary that’s a good model.
And you were quite right to point out that we only wasted less than £3.1 billion by selling gold at the bottom of the market. You know and I know that this is chicken shit in the grand scheme of Nuliebor plans for revitalising our economy and building new schools and hospitals.
Bloody nuisance of a war in Afghanistan though. Just as well I didn’t let that jumped up idiot Bliar spend money on useless military gadgets like helicopters and armoured vehicles.
hate to say it… but you are bang on with this picture.
Fucking Czechs. They never fight. Chamberlain was right to dump on them at Munich.
He knows what he is doing though. The troughing possibilities offered by Europe are huge. Ask Blair and the loathsome Kinnocks.
Yup, fair comment.
the lad’s got his future to think of.
talking of loathsome Lord Pearson is an odious cockroach
No pricks like you are, now shut your piehole and go beat up some more women fuckface.
how very dare you imply the Kinnocks are at ?
whatever next?
You mean Lord Ahmed is an odious fucken cockroach, Muzzie.
Please tell me about Islam’s view on homosexuals?
433
“Lord Ahmed….odious fucken cockroach”
You forgot those other barren cockroaches – Baroness Udderly the ‘Orrible and Baroness Scotchland the Puny.
just so. Now that we have FOI and their sordid little frauds are exposed on a daily basis they are all racing to the EU where secrecy still reigns and they can continue their no-so-little scams unhindered.
That’s PRESIDENT Blair to you, sonny.
not a chance. The French and Germans loath him for toadying up to the Yanks over Irakistan, as we do. If the EUSSR is going to be the independent federal super state and power-bloc that the Eurocrats want it to be, the last person they’d chose to head it is a crawling Yankee-Poodle like B.Liar. They’ll choose some other useless weasel of an apparatchik, but not him. Besides, his “faith foundation” probably contravenes some EU directive or other.
That was, to borrow Al Gore’s one good line, the “former next President Blair”
Funnily enough I don’t call the Clerk of the Parish Council “Clerk Jones”, and since they have similar executive responsibility see no reason to call the President of the Council of the European Union anything fancy either.
Isn’t Call Me Dave a DEDICATED EU FEDERALIST ?
If not, why has he got those 2 old dinosaurs, Clarke and Heseltine, on board, along with Maude and the Gang ?
Shurely sum mishtake ?
And all Cameron has to do is offer us a decision on EU involvement during his first term.
Why the fuck can’t they do this?
UKIP here I (depending on Cameron) come.
BYE
Precisely what we should say to the EU and their apologists.
Picture a boot, stamping on your face, forever.
Old Holborn- Not many folk will know but that is a quote directly from William Hague. I’ve got the link somewhere if anyone could give a toss about it
Orwell.
The new formula, is apparently renegotiating some powers back.
Sorry Dave, fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me, no thanks.
You’re no different to Brown, cats iron guarantee, made out of fool’s gold.
We know what your promises are worth, about as much as a Zimbabwean banknote.
Cameron can still turn this around – but he will need to take a risk -
like THIS.
Nice poster from the Useless Khumps In Pink (or Purple!)
I reckon he’s up for it. Very good position for renegotiation… “the people of the UK will not stand for this, so give me what I want or I’ll have to ask them.”
The GE is a referendum on the EU if we get Cameron, we’ll have the chance to choose in or out if we get Lib/Lab/UKIP/BNP we’ll have to live with Lisbon. Your choice.
I reckon he’s up for it. Very good position for renegotiation… “the people of the UK will not stand for this, so give me what I want or I’ll have to ask them.”
The GE is a referendum on the EU if we get Cameron, we’ll have the chance to choose in or out if we get Lib/Lab/UKIP/B&P we’ll have to live with Lisbon. Your choice.
Picture of CMD and Bruin’s comments bring Doctor DoLittle and the push-me-pull-you to mind
You cannot still believe that Cameron will offer an in-or-out referendum do you?
They have stated time and time again that they were against the Lisbon treaty, but not withdrawal.
They have stuck to the “in Europe but not run by Europe” mantra for years. Until Today in fact.
We’ll see tomorrow if they are principled, or delusional and deceitful.
In Europe, but not run by Europe ends the day the Lisbon Reform Treaty becomes law.
Any notion that we can take powers back from the EU then, is pure bullshit!
Ah Mr Ned, i agree with what you say, BUT! Whats it matter whay dave says?
He’s a proven liar and cant be trusted.
So fuck him and his leadership aspirations, i for one wont help him fuck me.
susie, all your feminine chatter is very pleasant and everyting, but you couldn’t just make your way into the kitchen and stick the kettle on for the lads and maybe stick a few biscuits on a plate, that would be nice. leave the men to discuss these matters, you are a tory troll who clearly doesn’t understand what she is talking about. let the men figure it out love, bigger brains you see.
and when you are in the kitchen at the end of the corridor we will no longer have to put up with listening to your
TORY EU SELL OUT SCUM BULLSHIT DAVID CAMERON YOUR LEADER IS A FUCKING LIAR YOU LEMON YOU STUPID FUCKING SLAG WHAT A THICKO ARE YOU RETARDED YOU C’UNT?
SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU CRACKHEAD!
GO TO CONSERVATIVEFOAM NOW!
thankyou.
fucking silly cow.
Dear Guido,
Why do you allow this misogynistic creep to abuse women like this?
I understand that discussions on this site can get a bit heated, it’s not the feckin’ Guardian, thank feck. But this is really vile.
That, and the constant refrain of ‘cripple’ to anyone he doesn’t like.
In the covoluted recesses of his twisted psyche, tat has clearly decided that it is better to provoke anger than to arouse pity. But his kneejerk abuse and inability to have an online conversation is pitiful, as are the glaringly obvious gaps in his education and abilities.
But really – even if you feel sorry for him, I think this has gone too far.
Respectfully.
SarahN – get a grip – everyone gets abused on here – you know you’ve scored when you get abused.
His political ‘ideas’ are laughable and can be summed up thus: vote for independent candidates and support the Palestinians. Do you think it was worth all the abuse just to hear that?
No – T(W)AT’s post was not just the general level of abuse we expect around here, but like his tourettes style ranting good evidence of bad character and an unpleasant mind.
TAT seems unable to explain what he wants to achieve by his policy; rather like the SWF/UAF tossers he is apparently in it for his personal emotional fulfillment and bugger the outcome.
I can only assume he has no ability to frame an actual argument.
TRANSLATION FOR T(W)AT: “Fuck off back to your shed, before the voices in your head take over again. Remember your mummy never really loved you, you sad little man.”
dear fans.
until you have completed and submitted your thick as thieves fan club application forms I cannot allow you any further access to your hero.
I am sorry but that rule is non-negotiable.
it may seem a strict but if it were not diligently followed then I would be overrun by spastics like you making constant and unreasonable demands upon my precious time. your time is not worth as much as mine and so you can afford to wait on me.
innit.
Crap.
* Enters room wearing false moustache and a flat cap *
2 sugars in mine thanks, Susie. :-)
Tat has always been ok with me, so maybe it’s just ‘idiots’ he abuses. If you happen to be a female idiot, tough! Get a backbone and deal with it. Crikey, you do let the female side down. ( Tat is right, you aren’t fit to do much more than make the tea. We’ll know not to count on you two to rush to the frontline when civil war breaks out. So much, in your cases, for that equality thing huh! )
Maybe if you listened to what he espouses, i.e. voting for Independents that will serve the public and not themselves, like all of the main parties do, then you might find that this country is a far better place for it, instead of it being the dustbin of the world.
However, whilst there are still idiots that continue to support party politics in this country, then we will be driven even further into the ground by the EU and corrupt politicians.
which is a perfect excuse for…
Vote UKIP – Get Labour
Simples
or Vote UKIP (Lord Pearson) get Gert Wilders
You are being had mate. Lord Pearson has a video relating to that. What he was advocating is Free Speech. That was his point by inviting that bloke over here to show his film in the Lords. The least you can do is watch Lord Pearson explain before being intolerant. UKIP don’t do intolerance. If you’re suggesting they are racist then you are wrong and demeaning the hand of tolerance and free speech which is going to be very useful for everybody soon to support.
Vote Labour and get Sharia law.
What’s the betting LM knows absolutely nothing about Wilders other than the fact that he’s questioned his precious islam?
Free speech dickface.
Something that you obviously think only people of a certain religious persuasion are allowed to have.
Dont like our free speech? Simple, fuck off to a place that better suits you.
Oh yes please, Wilders for EC President
I like Gert Wilders, I hate Islam.
I thank you for reminding me why I vote UKIP.
248 – Gert Wilders is a democratically elected MP in an EU state which is also a UK ally, his right to freedom of speech must be firmly defended against every dam raghead and their claims of “being offended”.
Back to mozzieland all mulla-botherers.
Or, VOTE UKIP – GET FREEDOM !
Vote labour = get EU dictatorship (miliband/blair)
Vote tory = get EU dictatorship (miliband/blair)
Vote Liberal = get EU dictatorship (miliband/blair)
THEY ARE ALL THE FUCKING SAME!!!
Vote UKIP or B&P and have a chance of saving this country from dictatorship.
To Mr Ned.
The only options you have with the EUSSR are:-
1.You are in it and have lost your sovereignity and are now a EUSSR state.
2.You come out of it altogether and run your own affairs.
There are no other realistic options and this has been well known by the politicos who have been engineering this,Cameron and co have always known this.
Having said this and accepted that nothing in the forseeable future will upset the EUSSR bandwagon,then surely like it or not our No1 priority must be to put this treacherous Nulab scum out of office.
A protest vote for Ukip/Bnp is really shooting yourself in the foot and will ensure another bout of the Nulab anti British government.
Remember it was NOT Cameron and his bunch who signed us up to this unelected superstate it was McMental and his cohorts.
Burn the treaty on bonfire night. An can UKIP tell me how do we do that to a PDF?
burn to CD ….. then microwave it with your baked potatoes.
Corky: Don’t forget that the person who put us into the dreaded EU in the first place was, that traitor, TED HEATH.
They called it a different name then, to confuse and mislead the plebs!
It worked !
Call Me Dave is just carrying on his work.
‘Cast Iron Dave’ I call him now. Unlike so many idiots on here, CID never convinced me he was anything other than just another grubby sell-out merchant; a totally unprincipled Blair clone. Now he’s proved for everyone to see – even those fools who believed in him – what a perfidious and spineless turd he really is. A coiffured, neutred ponce par excellence.
Fuck you and your touchy-feely Nu Conservative Party, Dave, you mendacious little shit.
Sheesh! FFS, what was the man meant to do? He said, if you take your freakin’ blinkers and ear muffs off: ‘….a referendum if the treaty has NOT been ratified’.
And get this straight, it wasn’t Cameron who signed it on behalf of GB, but Brown.
And WTF is a referendum on a ratified treaty going to achieve? Absolutely sweet FA.
Better that the next government, whoever it is, spends a bit of time (at least as much as fuckwit Blair did on the hunting bill) getting rid of the clause in the treaty that allows the EU to modify ANY other clause in the treaty without seeking any (other) parliamentary approval.
I disagree. A referendum remains vital as soon as possible to prove for the whole of europe to see that the British government acted without a mandate. That’s a vitally important marker to lay down before anything else. It’s not really relevant that it’s now been ratified.
‘It’s not really relevant that it’s now been ratified’
hahahahahahahahahahaha
In your dreams
Wake up you moron!
You’re falling into this trap of accepting this final submersion into a Federal ERope as a fait accompli. This is what they want you to believe so you’ll assume there’s nothing more you can do and will crawl away quietly and not bother them ever again. Don’t fall for it. This matter is anything but done and dusted.
Quite right this battle is far from lost. The war has only just began.
It is called predictive programming. Where by the victims are subversively or more directly mind controlled by all or selective organs of the controlled main stream media to psychologically accept a very nasty given future as being inevitable or unavoidable.
Establishment commissioned and published books such as War of the Worlds, Brave New World, 1984, The Time Machine, and anything by Karl Marx being just a few well known examples, of the establishment at play.
This is currently being done using the internet. The establishments useful idiots being chaps like myself, David Icke and Alex Jones. Us chaps love to tell you all about the coming New World Order. What we will not waste much time doing, is seriously trying to work out what the bugger any of us can do about our seemingly inevitable fate.
We don’t bother doing so because if what they claim was entirely true, then there is most surly nothing any of us can do about anything whatsoever.
The untold truth, if you really want to know, is this:
We are not at termination or final solution stage quite yet, and we may not be for at least another 10, 20 or more years. However you can be absolutely certain the proverbial THEY very much wish us to believe the proverbial THEY, are all but home and hosed. I guess they are ’sweating it’ even more then most of us are right now.
It’s to late. The Lisbon Treaty is self amending, no need to refer back to the member states from now on for there will be no more treaties, this was the last time we had a chance to retain our veto, it’s gone now.
From here it’s either toe the line or leave – the next General Election will decide which it is to be.
Absolutely.
Sure we hate labour for signing the fucking thing without this country’s consent. Brown was a complete and total CLINT for doing that.
But HOW THE FUCK does that stop Cameron from being a total CLINT for capitulating to it???
We are heading at break-neck speed into a total dictatorship.
The only thing standing between us and total dictatorship, is next year’s general election.
Tomorrow, unless there is a legally binding notice of intent to hold a referendum on membership of the EU itself, UKIP gets my vote.
After all, in answer to those who claim there is no point in holding a referendum, I would say what the fucking point is there in a Conservative party after the EU takes over ALL our government?
Millions died for OUR freedom. We shall never forget them.
Some tories here are so blind that they will piss on our war dead, just to give Brown a kicking.
Cameron and Brown are BOTH traitors. THEY BOTH SHOULD BE SACKED!
May I venture to suggest that electing a conservative government is the only available democratic sensible choice available? Democracy does not begin, and does not end at a polling station.
If you seriously want to defeat the EU there is only one way to do so.
The establishment must be defeated on the streets of EUROPE.
An anti-EU grouping worth the name, can only truly come into existence IF or indeed WHEN the full horrors of EU dictatorship have been fully realised by a majority of the European people. At which point, if it does actually get together in some kind of coherent non-subverted harmony, all types of uncontrollable merry hell could indeed break-out.
Who knows where the cards could fall? However I am sure the establishment have some kind of plan to cover all potential eventualities. The Civil Contingencies Act, being part of them.
There is always the bomb and the bullet
An afternoon in Parliament.
Spent repealing the 1972 European Communities Act .
Job done ! WHO’S GOING TO DO IT ?
NOT Call Me Dave, that’s for sure !
Piss off. Dave if PM can easily hold a referendum, he is the leader isn’t he? Not some unelected euro comissioner. Oh Fuck Dave is not our leader it IS some unelected Euro comissioner.
Youre missing the point! Camerons original speech contained no preconditions.
That “only if it hasnt been ratified” bollocks was tagged on by willy wanker hague later on to get themselves off the hook.
Well it hasnt, theyre still on it and still wriggling.
Long may they do so.
So, Dave Sham has lied to us just like Gordon McSnot has?
What a surprise, I hope it is no surprise to Cam the Sham when I vote UKIP.
And no, I’m not a UKIP or ZNL troll, I’ve just had enough of being lied to and let down and the mainstream parties thinking that my opinion doesn’t count for anything.
And quite frankly I don’t care if me voting for UKIP lets in NuLabour because BluLabour appears to be no fucking different and I’m very fucking pissed off.
The BBC seem to ve VERY pleased at the ratification, and now they are gloating at the Conservatives who promised a referendum which never was.
well, the BBC does get a lot of EU funding.
Over 140 million quid, I believe
Which is now worth £4.50 in New Labour money.
Vote independent. Your country needs you.
It doesn’t get any money from me and it won’t do until it becomes impartial again.
Good for you Road Hog!
A Cameron guarantee is made of Pig Iron not cast iron. Would anyone buy a motor from DAVE the SPIV?
Vote for ZaNuLabour.
It is the winning team. Everything is just fantastic. Our Gordon has saved the World Financially. About to save the World Climatically. Eradication of Cancer in a Generation.
(Conference Speech promise)
We are the best poised for coming out of Recession, and India , China, and Russia look forward to our Overseas Aid.
Tax will only be 30% higher, and we can look forward to lovely congestion charges everywhere.
£3k showroom tax on any car over 2.0l
60% increase in Fuel costs to help the Climate.
3 more Helicopters for Afghanistan.
TA to get mountain Bikes for the same war.
Ed Balls to be PM 2 years after the GE.
Whats not to like?
I like the cut of your jib.
What about mandy replacing The Queen ?
Under British electoral law no government can tie the hand of its sucessor. Cameron Knew he would have an excuse to wriggle out of his ” CAST IRON PROMIS” He is as full of shit as Blair and Brown. If he wanted too he could hold a referendum and then dump the treaty on the grounds its ratification was undemocratic and denied the British people their ” HUMAN RIGHTS” Cameron and Haig are both wankers. UKIP here we come together with the b+p
David Cameron promised a referendum on Lisbon “if they were in power before ratification”. They are still in opposition.
Tony Blair and Gordon Brown promised a referendum “but renaged on that promise”.
Gordon Brown “signed” the Lisbon Treaty – David Cameron can do nothing about that now – he is still the opposition leader.
The only way anything can be done about the position now is to VOTE TORY when the election comes. Voting anything else will see Gordon Brown, Lord Mandleson, of whatever and The Milibands continue in Power and the Unelected European Gravy Train get even longer.
It’s up to YOU THE BRITISH VOTER – stop complaining about David Cameron and do something about NuLabour when the time comes.
Fuck OFF.
Cameron could hold a referendum. Cameron promised a referendum. Cameron is a Europhile.
Cast Iron Dave = Heathite traitor.
Vote independent. Your country needs you.
Cameron promised a referendum IF…... The condition will no longer exist, so no promise broken.
I do wonder about the IQ of some here. There again they are probably the sort that sign their name when voting because it is one & the same = X.
Where’s the IF in this?
Today, I will give this cast-iron guarantee: If I become PM a Conservative government will hold a referendum on any EU treaty that emerges from these negotiations.
No treaty should be ratified without consulting the British people in a referendum.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/eu_referendum/article273758.ece
That precondition was never IN daves cast iron bullshit speech.
It got tagged on sometime later.
Wake the fuck up.
No he did not. There was no IF in Dave’s cast iron guaratee.
Shut up, stupid.
If I am not mistaken he said: ‘If I am Pm…….’ To my knowlede his is not
Where’s the IF in this?
Today, I will give this cast-iron guarantee: “IF” I become PM
Anonymouse:
You seem to have a big mouth, you organise a referendum.
What would you do then? Bring the troops home from Afganistan and line them up on the Cliffs of Dover,
Your mate Gordon has Signed, Not David Cameron!!
Grown up!!
Greychatter – your analysis is correct but the conclusion you draw from it is wrong. There is no point voting Tory because they will not take us out of the EU. Because they will not take us out, the Tories make sure we remain subjects of the EU.
I for one am not putting up with that any longer. I want out and that’s what I’m going to vote for. The Tories can either change their tune or do without my vote. And I’m not the only one.
And I’m with you on that.
Until today ther was absolutely no doubt I was intending to vote Conservative.
Unless there is a bit of a surprise tomorrow, I’ll be voting UKIP.
The deed is done, the Lisbon Treat is ratified.
No referendum will alter that, the changes have to come from within Europe and voting for the smaller parties will increase Gordon and Mandys power over the British.
If that’s what you want, that’s what you will get.
If you want to try to claw back some of the powers given away by Gordon, give David Cameron a chance, but it’s going to be a hard slog from here on in.
Agreed, all the main three parties wish to keep us within the EU and thus totally under its super socialist control. The only way is out, the only party to do that is UKIP. I waited to hear what Davey Boy had to say and he knows the game is up now no vote on the referendum and no chance of ‘reforming’ the EU or getting power back, does he or any tory think that the fucking scum that have spent years selling out and now controling Britian are going to give some back cos Davey and slap head Willy stamp their little broques in the local town hall of the EU, formerly known as the House of Commons.
There is only one election yet to come. Forget Nuliebor – they’re history. Forget the Libdemonics – they are neverhasbeens. Conservatives? Their right honourable leader has given us due notice that he has no honour at all,
Vote UKIP or you might never get to vote again – except Afghanistan style.
And don’t forget that the EU plan to ABOLISH all political parties, who do not share their views! AND individuals ! Goodbye UKIP. Goodbye BNP.
Don’t believe me – ask them ! Read their literature !
Shhh man; you’ll upset the window-lickers.
Oh wait, you ARE a window-licker.
Heel dave boy, heel…
Fucking delicious!
Tell me this. WHAT THE FUCK is the point of electing Cameron if HE is going to cravenly and supinely give in to the EU? He will be POWERLESS to prevent complete integration into the EU.
Only UKIP and the B&P have the balls to stand up for the BRITISH who fought and died to keep us FREE!
Sure Brown has shit on our war dead for years,
Cameron just pissed on our war dead today!
Saying voting for Cameron will save us, AFTER he has caved in on the Lisbon Treaty and the EU, is like saying let’s get out of the polar bear cage and hide in with the very hungry man-eating tigers.
The only way the tories can turn this around is to sign a legally binding notice of understanding to hold a referendum on membership itself!
Well said.
thank fuck some one talking common sense
Trade with Europe, do not be governed by Europe. Cameron is a traitor.
Cameron is not a traitor. He isn’t Prime Minister. What he promissed is not possible to deliver. End of.
We need to wait until tomorrow to see what he proposes. On the positive side he said this in The Sun: Quote ‘…And it is why from the moment the EU Constitution was Dreamt up by The Elites in Brussels, the Conservative Party’s Squadron was first in the air, Demanding a referendum in THIS BATTLE for OUR COUNTRY’S FUTURE’).
This is the quote which offers more to chew on rather than the promise to hold a referendum on Lisbon. Here he is talking about our new Constitution. (Which it is)
Well, let’s see tomorrow what the situation is…
However anything short of EITHER a legally binding notice of intent to withdraw from the EU OR a legally binding notice that UK law will always SUPERCEDE EU law and our Parliament will remain above the EU’s commision, council of ministers, 3,500 secret working groups and their pathetic parliament will result in a UKIP vote.
Cameron has not got long to prove that he is NOT a traitor.
I hate Brown for selling us out.
Why the fuck should I vote for Cameron for doing the same?
So you listen to what dave promises tomorrow and then he says “fuck you!” later on.
You get bummed six ways from sunday and everyone else with you.
He’s already lied, he’s shown he’s absolutely identical in every respect to the one eye wanksplat .
Here ill say it slowly: YOU – CANT – BELIEVE- A -LIAR.
Get it now?
Dave gave a cast iron guarantee to the he SUN that he would hold a referendum. Dave is no better than Blair or Brown.
Good graphics of 2 faced Dave, Guido.
This will bring the UKIP trolls out but the fact is that he treaty will be fully ratified before Cameron gets in so there’s no point having a referendum on something that already exists.
The voters of Britain don’t regard this as a major issue anyway and are far more concerned with the dire state of the economy, crime, and mass immigration.
Voters are concerned with those things, you’re right. And quite a few of them are starting to join the dots. Loss of border control and unlimited immigration – Thanks EU, Economic collapse- anything to do with the millions of pounds an hour we give the EU?, Crime-Eu charter of human rights (especially for criminals) anyone? Unelected toss-pots troughing on a galactic scale- EU.
Dave is liar, a spineless tart who will have to live in the world that he and all his tart mates have made. Voting for the any of the usual mob is insanity.
Missing the word ‘never’ from the world-living-in bit. Oops.
Fine, the treaty already has been ratified, end of story. So why was Dave so fucking stupid as to give an open ended promise in the Sun…..?
It’s Labour who deprived us of the meaningful vote. But the genius Cameron has positioned the Tories to catch all the flak.
Couple this with George “headlights” Osborne (“sharing the proceeds of growth” 6 months before a global financial crisis) and it looks like we’re spit roasted.
“The voters are concerned with mass immigration ? ”
Who sent us the 5 million immigrants, plus their dependents ?
The f……. E. U. !!
Today, I will give this cast-iron guarantee: If I become PM a Conservative government will hold a referendum on any EU treaty that emerges from these negotiations.
No treaty should be ratified without consulting the British people in a referendum.
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/eu_referendum/article273758.ece#ixzz0VpcBoaOH
YOU FUCKING LIAR
Does no-one on here understand that with the Czech president signing, then ALL member states have now ratified the Lisbon treaty so it passes into EU law. It is no longer a treaty – there is no referendum to be had. Brown signed it – it’s now enshrined in UK and all other EU member states law !!
Monty Python sketch springs to mind !
Dave hasn’t been in government for the last 12 years, during which Blair gave away our EU rebate for no return and reneged on his promise for a referendum in the his 2005 manifesto.
The GE is 7 months or so away, so Dave, the tories, ukip or anyone else you care to name can do sod all about it.
If the tories are elected, the best the can hope for it to declare broon insane and try to repeal the laws that way… Hmmm. could be an option !
No, the MINIMUM we should expect is for a complete withdrawal from the corrupt dictatorship that is the EU.
None of our labour created ills can be properly tackled so long as the ZANU-LABOUR ways of thinking permeate a dominant EU superstate.
A conservative win at the general election will be utterly pointless under the EU Dictatorship!
We MUST get out of this wretched EU dictatorship and if the Tories won’t do that, then I will have no option but to vote for a party that will!!!
Same old same. I’m voting fringe. I want to punish all of the fuckers.
Memo to: David Cameron
From: A voter and many many like me
Subject: Are you going to hold true to your promise or are you a lying git like Gordon and Tony ?
Details:
Dear David,
No doubt you and your party members read this blog and the associated replies like this one. So good so far.
You once said “If I become prime minister, a Conservative government will hold a referendum on any new European Union treaty that emerges from these negotiations.”
And you went on, to wonder why it was that so many of the British public “don’t believe a word that politicians say when they break their promises so casually”.
The matter is simple. Are you going to hold true to your promise for a referendum on the UK with regards the Lisbon Treaty or are you a lying git like Gordon and Tony ?
If you are a lying git, then you and your party will not be getting my vote nor I assume the votes of millions of other voters. You will let power slip from you and also even if you do make it become PM then power will have slipped to the EU (as from 1st December 2009) anyhow.
Over to you. No weasel words or waffle. A straight answer to this easy question will do.
Why I have changed my mind about David Cameron.
I was confident that the Conservatives would be a significant improvement on the overall failure of the Labour Party experiment. Up until now I have been quietly confident in the collective Conservative Party’s ability to bring the country out of recession and plan for the future prosperity of the people of the UK.
I now realise that Mr Cameron is not so fresh, he is in effect an old style politician with a new wrapper and label, he has very little change in mind other than tinkering with what has already proved to be ineffective and mediocre.
Concerning the Lisbon Treaty Referendum, if Mr Cameron is comfortable breaking promises to the electorate before the election one can easily glimpse what would be the outcome should he win with a comfortable majority.
The War in Afghanistan is a disaster he has no plans should he come to power to bring British Troops home with immediate effect, he is content to maintain the Labour lie for the sake of American ties that say more about business interest at home than terrorism.
The Expenses scandal revelations of which Mr Cameron and his party members happily partook, and Mr Cameron’s crumbs of reform barely scratch the surface of the corruption at Westminster.
He is in effect part of the problem rather than a solution, do not look to the Tories to mend broken Britain….look to yourselves that’s all the help you are going to get!
No he is acting like a normal MP.
Promises are like the falling snow, it soon melts to nothing
Don’t forget that Call Me Dave once called himself, “THE HEIR TO BLAIR. “!!
You’ve been warned !
I just cant see why people are suprised by this, when Tony Benn admits that they have no right (unintended pun) to give away that sort of power you friggin know that something is seriously wrong.
I have said long ago that this is something worth fighting or even dieing for, to prevent only to be called a knuckle dragging fcukwit, i can go back hundred of years and every fcukwit from my family has fought in some war except me, when educated people like Guido say lets have a walk or stroll to parliment in silly masks i think they fail to see the very serious implications, nobody is going to listen to a man with no concept of puntuation, not because i am thick but because i left school at fifteen to do manual labour and never had the need to write anything.
Somebody like Guido or nasty nick had the oppurtunity to go down in the annuls of history and with the help of the blogosphere organise one hell of a big march nasty Nick has got a million start, these bastards in parliment are dangerous criminals and are making no attempt to even hide it anymore.
I seriously offered to sell everything i had to help fund a march to remove these tratoirous criminals and demand a referendum, if you look at history it only takes one educated man of good intent and us fcukwits will follow them to hell and back.
I am one pissed off Englishman who would die tommorow just for the chance of getting my hands around Browns neck if needs be, its ok been witty and clever with words but remember the laws and possibly the gulags are already in place without the need for ratchet clauses.
some of you educated people with connections have had plaenty of time to rally the people before this was ratified, do not underestimate these crimials because they know exactly what they are doing.
Exactly.
There are already too many Lisbians where I live. No chance of leg over.
ukip here i come
Don’t blame it on the Tories, it’s the Newlabour tyrants who are to blame!
LibLabCON’S are all the same
Thay all need to be SHOT
Big Foot claims it’s Labour that turned Cameo into a shallow actor/soap salesman of a ‘breaker of cast iron guarantees’ also known as a bare faced liar.
Just saying, yunno.
Don’t get too self righteous MB. What happened to the manifesto pledge on the Lisbon constitreaty from Mr Liar?
Always read the nuLabour small print
Disclaimer : small print.
Labour manifestos are for illustration purposes only. The pledges that are kept may differ from the pledges made during elections. Opponents of the party may have their calls monitored and recorded for training and oppression purposes.
Incumbent Prime Ministers may be changed for unpopular Chancellors after elections without prior notice and in defiance of previous misleading statements.
If we increase stealth taxes to your disadvantage we will notify you of any changes in writing 30 days before the change takes place. You will be required to sign and return the consent form or if you prefer not to you have the option of leaving the country.
Expectations may go down as well as up.
Just ask Obama.
NuLabour reserves the right to say black is white or white is black or any shade of the rainbow that suits our spin.
No refunds will be given for any loss resulting from our incompetence.
NewLabour PLC is a division of EU-Octopus Governance Solutions.
‘Helping ourselves for you’
maybe we should be making manifestos a legal document so that they would be breaking the law by deviating from them/ just ignoring their promises altogether
Cameron has not been in a position to offer a referendum but fucking Bliar and Brown have and have let the British people down by their arrogant lying and coniving.
Piss off.
** Applause ** & LOL
Vote independent. Your country needs you.
That’s what they call a democracy. Well, that’s what they told the Afghanis.
I’d sooner see them hanged. Preferably by a shat-upon ex-serviceman.
Don’t blame it on the sunshine.
Blame it on the boogie.
I just can’t I just can’t I just can’t control myself
Mr Brown blamed it on the bogie.
Anyone who believes the Conservatives could ever be eurosceptic only need look at the Bilderberg regulars Osborne and Clarke – check out their attendances on HoP Members Interests – the proof is all there.
Why does Hannan continue to play the sceptic when he also presumably knows the above?
You’re supposed to vote Tory next – IT’S IN THE SCRIPT.
Only O U T of the EU will do. It CAN happen and it MUST happen.
I agree.
here here
But why are we in a political Union with europe? Why ae we allowing unelected commisioners to say where we should fish in our own waters or tell us which banks we should split up? What the fuck has this to do with Brussels? When did the European Common market good idea) become a political and undemocratic big brother ? (bad bad bad idea)
It happened when you where writing your book. You should have looked over your shoulder. There was a cctv camera behind you which was beaming every word back to the pyramid. The one with the eye on it depicted on US Dollar notes. Everytime there is an earthquake it is in reality proof that there is another wine cellar going in down underneath it.
This is the X/O. We have received a properly formatted message, I concur the message is genuine. This is the X/O.
They are all the same, gutless beyond belief.
We need a new way forward, but it wont come, we vote in the same people time after time, so the result is always the same.
A totally new way is needed.
How about having the ability to boot out your MP when he doesnt do what the electorate says, and I mean immediately, no severence etc. Perhaps that would concentrate the mind.
Also, reduce the number of people that can vote, no crims,no druggies ,no scumbags on benefits.
Now thats a thought
Do not trust Cameron. He has his own agenda and it is not the same as the Tory party.
Looks like our plan is working.
The Tory Party is splitting just as planned.
Here’s to a Labour fourth term.
Yep
maybe the Mr David shamman shoud just join the liebour party
HAHAHAHAHA.
YEP.
PULL YOURSELVES TOGETHER BOYS.
UKIP.
DO YOURSELVES A FAVOUR.
You are Ken Clarke, and I claim my £5/€5.58.
Your much to clever for us Dave. We havn’t recognised that your shit.
Time for Hannan and Carswell to be thrust onto the stage.
Labour can’t win the next election but if we wish very hard you may just get UKIP calling the shots.
Lets hope that true.
Then the battle will go to the streets, pity the old style lamp posts arent still available, they would come in very useful
The Tories’ elephant in the room starts to trumpet.
Davey boy’s gonna have his hands full with this little prob.
Good. EU hamstrung Tories too long. Dave has a week to convince me or Nigel gets my vote
Shame, I thought more of Dave
Grounghog day without the humour
Anyone who was daft enough to trust good old ‘Dave’ is only getting what they deserve for their stupidity. This was always on the cards. At least you finally woke up to what a lying turd he is before the election and that’s one positive point.
I realise he wasn’t British when I saw photos of him in the kitchen.
A true Brit would have had either motorbike parts, beer brewing kit, fishing rod or football boots on top of fridge. A real real Brit would have had a Dartboard.
“The Tories’ elephant in the room starts to trumpet.”
To be honest, I don’t think it has trumpeted, I think it has just shat the biggest, smelliest pile of poo you have ever seen.
It stinks and the smell isn’t going away.
Breaking news on Sky:
Tories Abandon Referendum On EU Treaty
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/Conservatives-Abandon-Promised-Referendum-On-EU-Lisbon-Treaty/Article/200911115430785?lpos=Politics_First_Poilitics_Article_Teaser_Regi_0&lid=ARTICLE_15430785_Conservatives_Abandon_Promised_Referendum_On_EU_Lisbon_Treaty
This is too much. Cameron must offer us a decision on EU involvement, or it’ll be UKIP voting time here.
So what if the local Labour MP scrapes in again. Gotta vote on principal now.
PrinciPLE dear boy.
Quite right. Doh! Forgive the slip.
Not many of those in the case of our ‘Dave.’
Read the comments.
They are 20:1 against Cameron and the EU.
The ZaNuConstitution will be in full effect on December 1st. UKIP will be an illegal organisation by the time of the next election to elect our new PM. (Provincial Manager)
Our ZaNu currency, the Euro, will come into being before this election making existing political party funds donated worthless and likewise Labour’s overdraft.
And IF they all vote UKIP, Cameron and Brown would BOTH be sacked!
There are many more of us pissed off, shit on and abused hard-working, tax-paying voters who feel that NONE of the main three parties speak for us, than there are tories and labour combined!!!
It is TIME for the peaceful revolution.
it is TIME for us to stand up and be counted.
It is TIME for us to realise that this is NOT politics as usual. OUR ENTIRE FUCKING COUNTRY is at stake here!!!
Our father’s, grandfather’s and great grandfather’s lined up, knee-deep in mud and shit in the trenches, facing machine gun fire and grenades and mines to keep our sovereign Isle free.
We only have to turn up and put a little cross on a ballot paper. IT IS THAT EASY!!!
We must never forget them. Their sacrifice is about to be remembered again at cenotaphs the length and breadth of the country. We MUST honour their memory, by honouring the referendum promise and using the general election AS the referendum!
We MUST have our say, and if a general election is the only way to do so, then so be it!
Cameron could have had a massive landslide. Cameron COULD have killed off UKIP.
Cameron blew it!
Don’t be silly, we’re slaves. We here have stupidly woke up and realised that we are not in any way free and our lives are totally expendable to those who own us.
Slaves only win their freedom with a fight.
We are in the Matrix. eveything is a sham,
Break free a become a human again.
The only trully free people are the scumbags on benefits, they are given a free vote to elect any government that will continue their handouts
Take down the mask and become free
They might be 20 to 1 but if you think a few thousand people who read this blog are going to change the result of the GE you are a fool.
Just how many constituencies do you think we all cover ?.
Even the most thick voter on a northern council ghetto will not vote UKIP and to many tories in the south east have had a belly full of Brown to vote UKIP and let him in again.
When the campaign stars for the election and people start to talk about taxes the NHS, Crime, Immigration which they will do now Johnson has admitted they got it all wrong the EU will come somewhere around the bottom of peoples priorities.
If you think I am wrong take a look at the Irish. They are flooded with Immigrants they are not in conrol of their own currency they have been through a housing crisis fetched on by the EU interest rates and when it came to the referendum !!!.
So all you like minded souls you vote UKIP it will not make a bit of difference.
I’m still going to vote UKIP, if they don’t get in then it doesn’t matter,
Dave Shameron will just be Tony/Gordon with a different mask on.
It’s all NuBluLabour.
Only one problem with this argument pal.
You have a brain, and the UKIP trolls don’t.
I voted UKIP in every euro-election. Why? To send a message – it was a cheap way to do it, and I wanted to send a message.
But in the GE, I live in a Tory-Libdem marginal (currently Lib-dem), so I sure-as-shit won’t waste a vote on UKIP and let a pro-eu Libdem stay in.
I’ll be voting for the least-worst party with the chance of getting into power, and that the Tories.
Principled? No. Pragmatic? Yes
The Irish are a proud people, but they are led by tossers.
Money talks in such a small nation and it has spoken
Get this – no-one cares. There are more important things to worry about. Funny how almost every other European country has better public services than we do.
You may not care JD but i sure
DO
Nothing
No thing
No, Denmark does.
Try Romania for top notch dental services or Latvia for “social welfare”
Agree with you. I’m no fan of the EU, but what’s done is done. We all have to get real. The important thing is to get rid of this disgraced and disgraceful government and the best way to do that is to vote Conservative.
Sadly that is true. Whatever Cameron’s faults may be we could not stomach or possibly afford another Labour government. Another five years and Gordon would finally be able to claim he ended the gap between rich and poor by making everyone poor.
Pathetic. Excuses, Liars, Scum. We have had enough.
Yes. Vote UKIP get Brown.
Vote UKIP, probably get a hung parliament. I’m not sure that would be a bad thing in this instance.
Vote Cameron get Blair
Vote Cameron and get 5 more years of ZaNuBluLabour.
Same shit, different name.
FUCK WE ARE USING ALL OUR BEST LINES TO ATTACK UKIP BUT THEY ARE JUST BOUNCING OFF OF THEM. EVERYONE THINKS DAVE IS A LYING C’UNT AND WE HAVE SO FAR BEEN UNABLE TO FRAME A REBUTTAL STRATEGY. OH SHIT! IT LOOKED LIKE VICTORY WAS GOING TO DROP INTO OUR LAPS BUT NOW IT IS ALL GOING HORRIBLY HORRIBLY WRONG.
VICTORY IS SLIPPING AWAY: URGENT ADVICE REQUIRED FROM DAVE ON HOW TO HANDLE THE ACCUSATION THAT HE IS A LYING C’UNT. WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE GOING TO DO NOW?
WHAT IS THE LINE WHAT IS THE MOTHERFUCKING LINE?
IT IS ALL GOING TITS UP FOR FUCKS SAKE IT HAS ALL GONE TO SHIT!
Some people go throughout their entire lives and learn nothing. You, Grannie, are one of them.
Vote Cameron get a traitor.
Yup.
What is the point in killing off Brown and labour here if New labour (and their philosophy) are running an all-powerful, profoundly anti-democratic EU???
Vote Cameron, get more new labour thrust on us by the EU!
I would love to believe that Cameron could repeal and change all the stupid laws that are not appropriate in the UK. But the fact is, the way the Lisbon Treaty is designed, HE CAN’T! I am not even convinced that he would, even IF he could!
The ONLY way that we can be free is for us to withdraw from the EU, and the only way that can happen is if we vote UKIP where they are strongest and the B&P where they are strongest.
Vote Dave get Bono
Did Bonio turn up at the UKIP conference?
No? Good! Then UKIP get my vote.
That’s because we fund a lot of their services.
We sure do.
Of course they bloody have, you’re paying for them.
Please complete:
‘UKIP if you want to: this lady-boy is not for ….’
fettling?
what you would expect?
furtling’?
Felching
frotting?
But it IS a fair criticism. There is no reason we can’t have a referendum after. No reason at all. We did it in 1975. A later parliament can repeal the act which gives the treaty legal force. It is as simple as that – no ifs or buts.
What it would do is mean a lot of arguments and finger pointing and protests from the EU elite, but democracy is more important than that.
Cameron owes his loyalty to the British electorate, not to Europe.
Does he understand that?
obviously not.
The one good thing from the expenses scandal is that it has shown explicitly beyond denial that all of our current political leaders and most of our politicians are driven solely by personal gain and quite lacking in any kind of principles.
No, he does not.
Vote independent. Your country needs you.
I’m looking after myself mate.
Do you understand that?
No, he and the rest of the party look to the future. The EU is where the jobs and real money are so lets keep sailing on this track you know it makes sense(for them)
its shit or bust dave……..we are sick to the teeth with liars……..
don’t you lot see what is going on?
that hoon mcBroon lies every time he opens his mouth…….
and now you look to be exactly the same as labour….
time to grow some or fuck off!!!!!!
its shit
TO BE REPLACED WITH WHAT?
Swiss democracy? EFTA?
YES. PLEASE
Farewell U.K i knew you and loved you once
http://newslion.blogspot.com/
welcome economic region 7
Come on in – the tractor production figures are lovely
new formula
(EU+DC-VOTE)+(EU+GB-VOTE)=UKIP
True formula (EU-UK=UKIP= turkeys voting for christmas) hidden formula (EU+UK+UKIP+Farage &Co=PISSING MILLIONS OF £s of BRITISH TAXES UP AGAINST THE WALLS OF BRUSSELS=chronic DIPSTICK)
The Lisbon Treaty was signed up to by an unelected p.m. with no mandate from the electorate and more importantly after ratting on a promise to give us a vote.If democracy means anything this constitution/treaty is illegal in the court of public and moral opinion by reason of the fact that our constitution cannot be sold up the swanee to on a lie.
If Cameron caves in to this sell out I will with regret not vote conservative for the first time in my life and I suspect a lot more are thinking the same.
what are they conserving now?
Are you talking about the Conservative and EUnionist Party???
Their expenses claims. Kunts.
Dave’s dead. I’ll be voting UKIP. And gawd help us ….
IF YOU’RE IN MUHOLLAND LAND MAYBE.
I CANT SEE LEEDS RETURNING UKIP, MOST SEATS HAVE TOO BIG A LABOUR MAJORITY.
Don’t worry. We already have all the postal votes for Leeds, Bradford, Burnley, Birmingham and Leicester. Goodness Gracious Me! Allahu Akbar!
UKIP is perfectly capable of gaining votes from Labour.
All it will take is to remind Labour voters; who promised a referendum, was in power, and refused it?
As with immigration, Labour has lied to and misled its own core vote.
The party that must not be named has no automatic right to the votes of those betrayed by labour.
UKIP has a golden opportunity to take huge numbers of labour votes.
NOT ENOUGH TO DELIVER A UKIP SEAT.
TO A LOT OF THE ELECTORATE REFERENDUMS & EUROPE MEAN VERY LITTLE.
JOBS AND MONEY IN THEIR POCKET DO.
THEY LOOK DOMESTICALLY FOR THAT.
BROON TOOK THEM.
CAMEO SAYS HE’LL GIVE IT BACK.
(RIGHTLY OR WRONGLY) THEY’LL VOTE ACCORDINGLY.
What people need to realise and I know its difficult because not a single leaflet has been dropped through anyone’s letterbox explaining what is being done in our name but-
A vote for UKIP is a vote for Labour it is a vote for Conservative it is a vote for Liberal. Why?
Because unless democracy is restored to the UK then no body can partake in traditional diverse politics ever again.
Is the right answer!!
Scumbags rule
I dont think dave realises , that he won the council elections on a eurosceptic stance , what happens if the EU tell him to stuff his renegotiation , “oh well thats it then folks ime afaid ?” . we have not had a vote the Eu remains an expensive corrupt institution that for the forseeable future will not reform and dictate to its people .
The ecnomic charms of it have there backers , but most people would like a choice and a debate and a vote , if labour and the lib dems were wrong then to renage on a referendum they are wrong now even if it gets rattified , and telling us all to take the new medicene will never remove that injustice .
CW will not be throwing in the towel on the relation between elected and voter , even if the EU has
Dave did well in the council elections because an awful lot of voters were fed-up to the teeth with Gordon.
I’m fed up to my back teeth with him.
What could DC possibly say tomorrow that anyone in their right mind could believe?
If his “cast iron guarantee” can be thrown away with a mere whimper, how the hell does he think he can spin his way out of this?
Not even the maestro spinner Blair could get out of this – & Cameron is obviously a simple apprentice liar & spinner compared to the political audacity of Blair.
No, we are the English & we will have our say.
One way or another, we will be heard.
from outside the mosque in the soup queue
DEAR ME.
“BRITISH INSURGENT”
“WE ARE THE ENGLISH”
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
Your point being?
Vote independent. Your country needs you.
IT CAN DO WITH LESS EMPTY RHETORIC TOO.
Please be quiet half-wit…
Fucking delicious!
INSIGHTFUL POST.
The ‘u-turn’ jibe would have more resonance if Cameron were in a position to grant a referendum. But as the official Leader of the Opposition, he can do precisely nothing.
Brown and Mandelson will be laughing into their beer this evening because they have got one over Cameron. Well done, boys. Okay, so they have effectively signed away British sovereignty in the process but what matters most is that they have made life for Cameron and the Tories. That’s what counts here, innit? The ‘rough and tumble’ of politics and all that.
This merely confirms that there is nothing Brown and his appalling government will not do to try and get one over the Tories.
Even if he wins next year’s general election, Cameron can hardly ‘unratify’ the Lisbon Treaty and then put it to a referendum. In fact, there is not an awful lot he can do.
Stop paying until th e eu accounts are ratified and then ask for a 50% rebate would be a good new policy.
Just like Bush did to the UN. And they just crawled to him.
“In fact, there is not an awful lot he can do.”
Yes there is and if he had the guts, could threaten to repeal the 1972 Treaty of Rome.
The entire edifice of the corrupt and corrupting EU, hangs on that particular illegal act of treachery.
Cameron could possibly say that it is important to have the last (Heath) referendum called again, just to make sure of the result. After all, we would only be following the example of the EU in relation to the two Irish referenda.
Can’t see any way they could object, THEY set the precedent.
now THAT is a cunning and highly amusing plan
Yep. That’s about it. Labour have fucked up the economy and are continuing to fuck it up just to make Cameron’s job more difficult. Defer, defer, defer, lie, lie, lie and dump the whole shit-heap in the Tories lap.
It’s fucked.
It’s got to the point where any rational person would not wish to be PM in June 2009 with an evil, opportunistic opposition that knows full well the true depth of how bad all their rigged figures are screeching on Day One about how it’s all the Tories fault.
It’s completely and utterly fucked. The EU is ordering our (state-owned) banks to sell off their profitable bits in a recession and our gutless PM cannot tell ‘em to fuck off but instead signs over even more powers. Has Darling come out and present it as a ‘restructuring’ and ‘the right thing to do’.
The EU is actually punishing the British taxpayer for electing the incompetent Brown. As if having the fucking imbecile incompetent wasn’t punishment enough.
Jeeezuz.
Halifax and LLoyds need to merge. Its the right thing to do. Gordoom 2008
Halifax and LLoyds need to demerge. Its the right thing to do. Gordoom 2009
President Karzai must hold a second round of voting to confirm his presidency of Afghanistan. Its the right thing to do. Gorddom Oct 2009
President Karzai has been confirmed without the need for a costly and dangerous second round of voting.Its the right thing to do. Gordoom Nov 2009
The man bets on every horse in the race, despite losing a fortune, just so he can say he picked the winner.
Political genius…..!
International Statesman of the Year….!
Mandy’s pulling all the strings. Perhaps Dave will give him a job.
Perhaps Mandy will give dave a job,
The best P.M. would be someone who really doesn’t want the job.
Never ever give power to someone who wants power.
Of course he can do something , like offer us a referendum of out continued membership of the EU , and put the splits in his party to bed once and for all.
As the Lisbon Treaty was democratically rejected by the Irish voters, we in the UK can, and should declare ratification null and void untill we are granted our right to a referendum vote as promised by this Liebor government. Ratification of the Lisbon Treaty was not part of the Liebor manifesto at the last general election. Gordon Brown should have gone to the country on a vote of confidence, because we are a democracy and not a dictatorship. We should state our position very clear to the EU that we will not recognize the Lisbon Treaty until we have our referendum vote.
We are a democracy not a dictatorship, did you learn this at school.
Democracy is when the people have a say in government, invade Iraq, invade Afganistan, I dont remember being asked.
He can offer us a referendum on EU MEMBERSHIP!
Either he does, or UKIP get millions more votes
“There are more important things to worry about.”
More important than freedom, independence and democracy? I think not.
Obviously you have not read any of the document, ah well ignorance is bliss, no?
WHICH PAGE DID IT SAY WE LOSE OUR VOTES?
ENLIGHTEN US PET.
Page 43 – Chapter 2 paragraph 4 – establishment of qualified majority voting means that other states can impose policy on us.
Lisbon is a self-amending Treaty.
It allows the EU to launch future power grabs completely unchecked. There will be no more treaties, no more referendums, but there is a “ratchet clause” which allows for the scrapping of national vetoes without the need for summits or referendums.
We, the electorate, have had no say in this and we never will. Europe is no longer a democracy.
USE YOUR VOTE TO ELECT SOMEONE THAT WILL REMOVE US THEN.
THAT’S YOUR WESTMINSTER VOTE.
THE ONE YOU HAVEN’T LOST.
Sorry to tell you this dunc me old mukka, but none of the main parties will listen, so whats the point in voting for them?
Besides which the eu havent given them permission to have any vote.
Duncan,please identify your true self as Gordon Brown, only a pratt like him would make these comments
The two David Cameron “quotes” (I don’t think he’s said “no referendum”, but whatever) do not actually contradict one another. It is clear enough from the first that he was promising a pre-ratification referendum. Cameron can’t turn back the clock once he takes office; whatever EU policy he takes will have to work from the starting point that Lisbon is already in place. A referendum on the narrow subject of the Lisbon Treaty (given how far the EU has managed to interfere in our lives even before it was introduced) would, at this point, be redundant. And it’s shameful that UKIP is going after Cameron for this when Brown and Clegg, who did not support a referendum when it would have actually made a difference, are the real traitors.
You know that. And I know that. And Labour know that.
But it’s an opening for the evil Labour government and they’ll have the BBC drive the wedge in from now until election day.
Brown would rather be arguing about how the Tories aren’t holding a pointless referendum when he, personally, reneged on a referendum himself. And Brown would rather be arguing about anything than explaining how he managed to so spectacularly fuck up the entire economy to the point where we habve the highest deficit in the entire OECD and are still in recession.
“And it’s shameful that UKIP is going after Cameron for this ” — UKIP have their noses in the trough. They only see an opportunity for getting votes from Tories and do not care if this hands the election to Brown. One of their spokesmen, Lord Pearson was boasting about this on TV).
Its interesting that Guido is happy to wallow on about ‘troughers’ but is ever so shy about slating UKIP and the gravy train they are on. He does not because it does not suit his prejudice to bag the UKIP troughers.
As usual all we get here are the loony tunes wanking off at the sound of their own hysteria. Still it keeps Staines in money.
Trev: Do us all a favour – get stuffed !
Well said.
Blaming Cameron and the Tories for this is like turning on Churchill during the Blitz and demanding he and Clemmie personally compensate for the bomb damage…
Complete and utter crap. It’s more like blaming Chamberlain for waving a piece of paper and shouting “Peace in our time”. Now your shouting “Treason in our time”.
Absolutely.
“And it’s shameful that UKIP is going after Cameron”
shameful for one political party to attack another ?…. what world do you live in ?
They’re attacking the wrong target. The Tories are the only eurosceptic party in mainstream politics. Labour and the Lib Dems have collaborated to bring this treaty into force. For them to pick on Cameron now, when he has done all he could possibly do to prevent it from happening, is extraordinarily shallow of them.
Lisbon can’t simply be reversed now. The UK’s relationship with the EU needs to be completely renegotiated from the ground up, and I’m sure that UKIP would concede that there’s already enough that needs changing about it before Lisbon comes into effect. I don’t think a referendum on either that or the Lisbon treaty would be genuinely workable (unless of course it was a simple “in or out” referendum, which is what UKIP supposedly wants).
Yes it can be reversed, stop fucking saying it cant.
If the uk wont abide by it then its worthless paper fit to wipe your arse on.
In or out? YES, that is EXACTLY what I want to see. Because we are past the point of in Europe but not run by Europe.
“The Tories are a Eurosceptic Party” ?
Where have you been living for the past 40 years ?
‘not completely fair’ — a total load of bollocks in fact from someone whose life’s work is to ensure a second term for Gordon Brown.
Face it – Brown and Blair have signed the treaty its law Its passed everywhere, it will have been in force at least 6 months once the new government gets in power.
Cameron and the Tories have done absolutely nothing wrong. they have held out the prospect of a referendum (who says which way it would have gone?) for as long as they could.
Well put Trev!
Another well put Trev from me.
Cast iron Cam’ has assiduously followed the ’stop I like it ‘ policy as far as europe is concerned
Call me Dave would have signed the Lisbon Treaty, if he’d been prime minister !!
He’s a dedicated EU Federalist ! Ask him !
It really is frustrating watching them lie. Cameron could still hold the referendum, he was always looking for a way to weasel out of it.
But we should also remember that the man who created this mess was Gordon Brown by breaking his explicit manifesto promise (the keeping of which is an essential part of the trust which underpins our entire political settlement). To see the BBC & Co gloss over McTwat’s role in this is nauseating.
Why should he hold a referendum? In what way would that make any difference to any policy of repatriating powers?
What if a referendum was lost? What if the YES tendency laughed in the govts face and said they would boycott it because it was pointless? If you vote NO to not accepting Lisbon – so what? Its BEEN SIGNED Its IN PLACE. If you vote NO what then? What sort of life after NO do you want, do you expect? You can only have a vote if there is a clearly articulated alternative course to follow after voting. Simply voting NO to a treaty which we have already signed up to is asinine.
Have any of the anti EU berks who foam at the mouth here got a single brain between them?
lol
There is plenty of reason to vote no after – the act can then be repealed, meaning the treaty has no legal force in britain. you ought to study constitutional law and history before making rude remarks at strangers and calling me a berk.
the original referendum in 1975 was ex post facto. A referendum before is preferable but there is nothing illegitimate about one after – that is just a myth that has become popular now as it suits the elite.
Twit! There’s someone who has not read the bloody treaty! It cannot be repealed just because one country says so. ALL members have to agree!
Trevor (above) is right. Get real peeps. We have to find different ways to fight this shit.
Of course it can, no parliament can bind it’s successor, and we are still sovereign.
Remember it’s not a CONstitution it’s a treaty. :P Hoist the fuckers on their own petard.
At the end of the day political power comes out the barrel of a gun anyway, just tell them to fuck off, we quit, goodbye, and thats that. It’d probably be more damaging to the EU than it would be to us, as precedent would have been set.
We can repeal what we fucking like!
Tell me, what would the EU do if an incoming Government repealed this treaty? Sling us out? Oh, goody. Fine us? Fuck ‘em. Go to war? Yeah, course. Stop trading with us? They would be the losers, not us.
Well, what could the EU do that could stick?
The answer is no… possibly why we’re in the position we are in. Where were they when Gorgon signed the bloody thing 2 years ago?
When a woman tells a man NO! What does that mean trev?
Does it mean YES? Or does it mean NO!
Let us suppose that you agree that NO means NO!
Would you agree with the rapist that NO! meant YES?
Obviously not.
The very same principle applies here. NO, means FUCKING NO!
Regardless of all the bullshit about what would happen, and “oooooh we cant they say we must”….
The words FUCK OFF broadcast from every tower in the land in a rising crescendo until it deafened them would enable the clear NO! message to get through to them.
So, do stop being so fucking defeatist, if you tell me i cant shag your wife then no means no….or does it?
No Referendum = No vote.
Not on Lisbon, but in or out.
Do we really think that all of these people that are now trolling off to UKIP weren’t already there anyway.
Can anyone tell me what the point of a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty would be now – it would simply be an opinion poll and we might as well ask YouGov or MORI or my Aunt Bess (when she isn’t making yorkshire puds of course) to run that.
I can understand if people are sceptical about whether we could renegotiate some of the powers that have been given away or not. There argument would hold a lot more water if they didn’t then demand that we could retrospectively cop out of Lisbon.
There is only one person to blame for this and that is Gordon Brown. He broke a Labour manifesto pledge, aided and abetted by the Lib Dems.
MMMMMMM yes
The 29th Oct 2009 Results for Huntingdon North were : Lib Dem 32.6% ( up +2.7%); Con 28.5% (down – 18.7%); UKIP 22.3% ( up +14.1%); Lab 16.4% ( up +1.8%
The CON’S down -18.7% i say once more -18.7 bring on the GE
Clown or Shameron ITS ALL THE SAME THERE BOTH TRAITORS
Banjo country obviously.
Huntingdon? Cromwell country, actually.
Yes, hilly billy folk just won’t see the sophistication of post-democracy.
After that shitbags Brown’s complete sell out, I have decided that instead of having a referendum on the EU Constitution, sorry Treaty, we will have a referendum on whether to remain in or leave the EU.
Con 60%
Lab 20%
Lib 15%
Others 5%
UKIP Fuck all
I give you all a cast-iron guarentee . I WILL VOTE UKIP.
Good for you – I hope gordon brown shakes your hand he is the kind of voter he wanks himself off to.
Wake up TREV!
Just cos one is anti-Cameroon, does,nt make him a friend of el gordos.
Twat
I think an awful lot of us will.
Tory=Traitors (same old Zanu-shite, new colour)
If enough people vote UKIP, there will be a hung parliament and the Prime Minister will be the one who comes up with the best bribe for the LibDems. If it is Gordon again we will all have to emigrate. So think very carefully – only ZaNu think that if you want something enough it will happen, the rest of us have to live in the real world.
If you’re a Tory and you vote UKIP, you are making Brown a happy man.
If you’re a Tory and you vote for Dave, you are making Blair a happy man.
Rockorolla [17]
Bill Cash currently stating the same thing on Sky News.
Might gain traction…
Bill Cash = expenses thief. Another greedy piggie who needs to give us our money back.
camerond@parliament.uk
Is Cameron’s email. You can tell him directly what you think
Thanks – have just sent him a stinging email.
To 122.
Wouldnt bother if I were you,I sent him an acid email on this subject a fortnight ago.
Still no reply,maybe because I told him to stop arseing about and give some straight answers.
O/T but recognisable as further evidence of the state we are in….
Ian Bliar, former head of the Met, on radio5 this afternoon. He remains sorry about the murder of Jean Charles de Menezes and accepts accountability BUT NOT responsibility for the event.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/mayo
His claim that accountability is somehow divorced from responsibility is yet more disingenious new labour speak for ‘it wasnae me’ guv. Of course, he was appearing to ’sell’ his new book. The bastard is making money out of the murder of de Menezes as well as his labour supporting banners – what a way to go – can he ans new labour not be stopped, once and for all???
Hi
This is Lee Harvey Oswald – I accept that I WAS in the Texas Book Depository and I DID fire the gun that may have blown Kennedy’s brains all over his wife’s pretty pink dress.
But hey,I don’t accept that I actually KILLED him – now that’s a responsibility too far mate.
I accept full responsiblity and have sacked the person responsible
He will meet a very painful and protracted death.
I have accepted responsibility and have promoted the person responsible, Cressida Dick.
Runour has it that the killing was done by the Army’s Special Reconaissance Regiment, rather than the police, hence (i) the hopeless communication between the rozzers at HQ and the gunmen and (ii) Ian Bliar’s miffedness about the Met taking the rap for Mr de Menezes’ death.
Let’s see what this former berk of the Met is saying.
He is accountable = he is required to give an account, ie a narrative
But not responsible = he is not required to respond in any way
So he is saying all he needs do is blather on a bit, but not actually to do anything. Is he a congenital idiot? Or does he think the rest of us are?
I’m so glad that abomination is no longer running the Met.
Where is the argument for staying in the EU? Where is the proof that it is a good thing? Young Dave would win by a land slide if he gave us a referendum on getting out. Manifestos should be legally binding.
Sorry. Yes I know I am naive.
Sound bites always bite back.
oops!
Cameron is a lying turd, a fuckwit, a poltroon, a useless lump of jelly and thus entirely suited to be the next Prime Minister of the U.K.
He is just the latest in a line-up of self serving dangleberries, whose party “label” is chosen not from belief, but from perceived advantage to the poltroon involved.
Meanwhile the news is all about the EU treaty. How all countries have now ratified.
No mention at all about the fact that the economy is still fucked and we have the highest deficit of any major country. Worse even than the terrorist haven of Iceland.
Something tells me we are about to hear the phrase “cast iron” as much as “boom and bust”.
++++++Sound bites always bite back+++++++
Yeah, “Cast-Iron Cam” is gonna haunt him.
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I hate the fraudster Brown’s guts so much that if I could get away with it,I would run him over with a traction engine (you know,the ones with the giant roller on the front).
But I have to say that I now see what the current crop of Tories are – pretty much like British society itself;
…..Lightweight,don’t expect too much cos you will not get much and anything better than what you expected is to be rejoiced as world beating.
you are Peter Mandleson and I claim my £5
Cameroon = Blair 2.0
Looks like it
Not the cleverest of posters. For a start the ‘pro referendum’ quote is about what SHOULD HAVE happened, not what Cameron promised WOULD happen. Why? I’m sure there are plenty of ‘proper’ quotes on the matter which would expose the untrustworthyness of DC as being equal to that of Bliar.
But it’s a bit of fun.
Congratulations all you Euro mugs. When the global conditions are right, a federalist EU will be ripe for a right wing coup, and they’ll be jackboots all over Europe again. Sieg heil!
A jacboot is a jackboot, whetther its an ever so dainty fabian one, or a shiny black fascist one.
It makes no difference.
If you’re Labour trougher, say “OINK!”
But if you’re a Fabian, say “Oinque!”
If you’re a Fabian, say “up against the wall, class enemy”
There’ll be…
And I’m afraid you may be right…
I think you mean extreme left.
The extreme right is really the extreme left with nationalism thrown in – or in this case supranationalism. It gets re-labelled the extreme-right by the internationalist extreme-left that want to re-label everything they don’t like as “racist and right-wing”.
It’s okay. Cast Iron’s just explained everything.
See, it’s not a treaty any more, now that it’s come into law.
So he didn’t break a promise after all.
Phew!
Prosecute the purveyors of the LIB/LAB/CON trick
Rub them down with a housebrick first
Nah, a cheese grater.
The slow, but relentless, application of 30-grit emery cloth?
Dick Emery made cloth?
You are awful..
Everything is falling into place nicely for a Labour government propped up by the LibDems (after a small split in the LibDems) as Tory voters turn to UKIP and the BNP.
I gather (stand to be corrected) that it will be illegal to denigrate or deface any EU symbols or flags once the Costitut – oops, sorry, Treaty becomes law.
Sounds like an excellent idea to acquire (nice, flexible word) a large EU flag to top the bonfire on Thursday, and enjoy the satisfaction of seeing it smoulder, smoke, flame and disappear before one’s eyes. And again at every subsequent bonfire night (or any other day or night, come to that) until we have back the sovereignty seded by this abomination of a ‘government’.
Damn right. Burn the eu.
‘Politician breaks cast-iron promise’ shocker.
Or ‘Politician too thick to appreciate he’s making a promise he’s unlikely to be able to keep’ shocker.
Or ‘Politician deceitful enough to make a promise he can blame someone/thing else for being unable to keep’ shocker.
Any of which makes Cameron a bellend.
There’s such a stench of flaming trousers in the conservative party it’s a wonder anyone can breathe.
For a few moments, though, I thought they might be better than the lying scum we have already.
Fool.
Flaming trousers….bowel gas….could there be a connection?
What does Iain Dale make of all this – this WILL be interesting to read!
I feel let down by Cameron.
Not because he’s not giving a referendum – he never said he would after ratification, but because he still treats brown and labour with some respect.
They’re still scorching the ground, spending money they haven’t got, doing nothing about ferral gangs, signing us up to bad european measures which continue to stamp on us, creating many databases and thought crimes, denouncing scientists for being scientists. If he was any good then he would have made brown call an election by now – or called on the queen to do so.
Not that even in power they’d be too much better, but it’s a step process – Step 1 is stop going headlong in the wrong direction on everything
Step 2 ?
Step 3 Profit. In both economic and libertarian terms.
This site sickens me – I now sign off.
Keep laughing everyone – because you will end up with another 5 years of Brown at this rate
Read the comments on Sky. 20:1 against Cameron.
Cameron is alone on this; it’s not that we have deserted him; he has deserted and betrayed us.
The EU is an undemocratic and totalitarian superstate in the making; it is European history repeating itself.
Everyone can see that except for our politicians, (and you apparently).
Me too Pat, I hear Canada’s nice…
Indeed, that’s the whole point. Imagine how much Brown will sell us out. This “outrage” about a man who didnt sign the treaty will just spell the end of UKPLC
I couldn’t vote for a party that included Teresa May.
Give me strength.
I would…!
Are you checking IP addresses, Guido? Surely your commentators were never quite this thick (usually); £5 says most of these anonymous “thoughts” on “broken promises” and “it’s UKIP for me” emanate from ZNL HQ.
We appear to be swallowing MSM spin from LieBore and straightforward unadulterated UKIP spin as “news” this week. Tsk, tsk.
It’s certainly Plots, Rumours and Conspiracy. But not quite as we knew them.
And no I don’t want a refund. I’ll be back later once the blood pressure has calmed down and hopefully some of the paid trolls are off home for the night.
Yes there was always an ‘if’ – though it was always more a probable than a possible, wasn’t it? (You may know different – I’ll admit I haven’t time to keep on top of all this stuff). So a fairly safe ‘promise’ to make. It seems to me though (not being a supporter of any party) that a lot of likely Tory voters homed in on the ‘promise’ element in a tunnel vision kinda way. So now they’re disappointed… or will be tomorrow, as I can’t imagine what Dave can say to calm the waters on this one. Not that the EU a major issue for most of the near-sighted public, of course.
The EU is a big issue for the well-connected early movers. It will tend to have a larger effect than numbers would imply, especially over time.
Simple, if we continue to be part of the new EU then we will be one of the “states” of a new united states of Europe and the Tory party will have no significance in Britain. The new EU is a socialist construct devoid of any real democracy, so the Tory party will have no influence at all. So really, post Lisbon, CMD has only one choice – offer a referendum on the EU. The only other decision that would make any sense is simply to pull out of the EU without a referendum, on the basis that it is self-evident that we should have no part of it. CMD doesn’t really have a choice – even if he thinks he has his own party will rapidly correct him. Now he has a chance to show some real leadership but with no real cost to himself. It’s a no-brainer really.
I see no UKIP trolls.
I see only outraged voters, who are supporting the one party that represents their views.
As Dave himself said: ‘All three political parties made a promise to our constituents for a vote on the constitution. When we turn round and say you can’t have it any more, it’s no wonder people feel cheated and cynical because promises made are promises being broken.’
I see no UKIP Trolls only Tory Traitors.
Correct, no UKIP trolls. Plenty of ZNL trolls though.
Tell me a better strategy for ZNL to split the tory vote and retain power.
Tell me what our Nigel’s Plan B is after a good showing in May 2010 and when ZNL are back in power (maybe with the LibidoDums in tow).
Tell me what Nigel’s Plan C is if (in his dreams) he forms a government in 2010 and goes to the country with a straight yes/no referendum … and is told “we want to stay in Europe”.
Come on, give me a clue.
Vote Camoron Get Bliar
Um, if they are ZNL trolls then what’s the worry? This bog doesn’t then represent an upsurge in support for UKIP, only an upsruge in ZNL activist activity. However, if they are not ZNL but new UKIP supporters then the Tory party needs to worry. Either way, CMD needs to come up with a very clear strategy to placate the euro-skeptics in his own party and beyond. He should offer a referendum on EU entry. Its a no brainer.
The alternative is to make the next election such a referendum. It would go like this.
“I am Dave Cameron, as far as you know I’m honest and I say Britain is better off outside the EU, so vote Tory to get out of the EU at the next election”
vs
“I am Gordon Brown, born liar as you all know and I say that Britain is better off inside the EU so vote Labour at the next election”
We all know how that would pan out….
Yeah.. these people saying he broke a promise when he has been clearer than clear that we might not have a post-ratification referendum and it’s pointless having one, and the story is he’s promising to do all he can to fix europe, stink of nu-lab trolls.
I expect UKIP have claimed the tories have broke the promise but the comments here just don’t smell like typical UKIPpers.
A fundamental principle of English constitutional law is that no parliament may bind a future parliament; or at least that used to be the case. There will always be a way out of this fast developing police state.
Yes, usually war.
I weep for mankind….
Cameron’s next speech is the biggest of his political life.
He knows the UK is not in favour of Lisbon, he knows the country doesnt want to pay out to the EU any more.
He knows we want out.
Does he want to be PM or not?
Get this speech wrong, he’s lost the confidence of those who were prepared to give him the benefit of the long held doubt.
Your choice, Dave.
It’s worse than that.
Cameron already has a huge struggle on his hands to get the economy back on a sound footing.
He cannot do that without the wholehearted support and trust of the electorate, which he risks losing in a very big way.
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Absolutely. This speech could lose him so many votes based on principle alone. The reason NuLiebore are in for a tremendous kicking at the GE is their dishonesty and deceit which started with Blair and the wars and has been dishonourably carried over into this unelected premiership of McHoon.
If Cameron fails to keep the trust of his potential electorate over the European question he risks a split that may never heal. It’s just what Mandelson wants, he has in a very ingenious way, engineered this.
Mandelson doesn’t give a sh*t about McHoon, he just has to keep the cordspe warm till Tone is installed as President. Meanwhile his pet Milliband is installed as EU wide Forein Sec to gain some statesman like experience before contesting the 2014 election against Cameron. Interim Labour scapegoat will be Alan “Flat Earth society” Johnson.
It’s a huge fucking script authored by Dark Lord Voldemort himself and we’re all on stage walking headlong into act 2.
One way ticket to New zealand anyone?
I’ve been looking at a very pleasant B&B for sale on the South Island.
Got to hand it to Mandy… correction all you dumb UKIP voters already have.
Well the “guarantee” was always ambiguous.
There isn’t really any honourable or realistic way out of this for the Tories as long as they remain committed to EU membership. What would happen if they had the post ratification referendum? Precisely nothing. The EU wouldn’t give a centimetre let alone an inch. If you are part of the EU, you sign up for the whole journey and that, as we know, has only one destination. We are nearly there – we have now a European foreign service with common embassies. We have a president. The EU is poking its nose into all aspects of our national life e.g. hate crime legislation.
What will be next? Well we may see the pressure on again to adopt the Euro? A unified Euro-army?
It is a shame that no one in the mainstream parties gives us the option of a civilised withdrawal from the EU, followed by membership of the EEA along with Switzerland, Iceland and Norway. We can pursue our global destiny while the EU pursues the Napoleonic dream (now near-reality) of a continental union.
It isn’t a union, it’s a forced marriage.
Well Switzerland isn’t in the EEA and Icleand is applying to join the EU, but otherwise I take your point. The problem is those anti-EU voters who are most concerned about Eastern European immigrants will be disappointed to learn that the EEA doesn’t help them on that, in fact the only difference would be that the UK would lose any say in future members. Turkey anyone?
EU Military Bases on British soil?
It will happen – all European dictatorships send troops to disafected regions to qwell the unrest.
Region 7 is going to be a real pain in the ass to these occupiers & EU fascists.
David William Donald Cameron
Tried to sprinkle some pale blue glamour on
The same old NuLab Euro-stories
Hoping that it would fool the Tories.
Gordon Brown today welcomed Czech President Vaclav Klaus’ decision to ratify the Lisbon treaty, describing it as “an important and historic step for all in Europe”.
Funny, I thought that Brown told us that it was something totally minor that we shouldn’t worry ourselves about.
You mean you thought that “cast iron guarantee” stuff was serious?
That’s so sweet.
Only the sort of right wing moonbat who posts here gives a fart about what Hannan says about anything. They’ll bitch and threaten to vote UKIP, but in the end they hate working class people and darkies too much to risk Dave Lightweight losing.
You’ve got to hope so. Otherwise it’ll be five more years of Brown and his hand-picked coterie of self-serving, incompetent arseholes.
And we wouldn’t want that.
would we.
So now anybody disliking further EU integration is a snob and a racist?
Come on Jimmy,you know as well as the rest of us that that is plain wrong; you can do better than that.
Eng, where the hell will this all end…
I’ve been thinking about the answer to this one. All I can come up with is “heaven knows”, but tempered with the thought that some careful consideration might be better than knee-jerk reactions.
It’s probably an unfair generalisation based on excessive exposure to the comments section here.
you do realise jimmy that by the time we have finished traducing the EU fascists there will be precious few jobs offered to British politicians.
and as our influence dwindles, fuelled by the corrupt EU carve up aswell as the refusal of the British people to comply to the fascist EU regime, then disengagement will become inevitable.
region 7 will become unmanageable.
we patriots and good citizens will make sure of that.
and so the people of England will be heard in the end.
we always win. we have defeated the french and spanish and german fascists: we have militarily routed each of those countries and we have don so for a reason: we are braver and stronger, we are British and we have defeated them all.
I think after having our noses rubbed in it by these corrupt european beggars that we are all in the mood for giving the europeans another hiding, showing them who is fucking boss, a good beating on the battlefield to cut them down to size.
we always win.
and I am ready for action.
You can start on Jimmy then, tat. Here’s someone that thinks it’s calm and rational to defend the worst government in living memory, and to call anyone who disagrees with him racist.
Jimmy if you are suffering from excessive exposure to the comments on here, you know what to do: rearrange the following to form a well known phrase or saying – OFF FUCK.
In a set to,tat is the little bloke up the front shouting “lets get ‘em”,but when it all kicks off,he’s at the back waiting for the chance to dash in and aim a kick at some poor c’unt on the deck.Even now,he’s seated at his paraplegic work station,tapping furiously away,dressed in his best gimp outfit,waiting for Ma tat to bring in his hot milk,before tucking him up for the night with his inflatable teddy.
Sorry mate – busy watching Strictly Come Dancing. And busy tomorrow sorting the kitchen waste into the right container. And the car needs an MOT, and got to stay in for the postie with my CRB check.
Oh dear, Jimmy has used the ‘d’ word. What a dirty racist fucker.
Thanks for the report, darling.
Thought police? Are you lost?
Interesting – an Ipsos-Mori Poll recently done (politcal betting) shows that the
EU is way down on the list of issues that concern people the most.
Bugger
Its a lie. By the way Norway has done pretty well outside the eurozone. Them fuckers keep on being voted the best place to live and the price of a pint is 7 quid!
Err – they’ve got the oil money. We’ve pissed ours up against Hadrians Wall.
Panem et circenses, Anna.
That’s all it takes.
get real
Global warming is even lower on the list of concerns, but that don’t stop the government ramming it down our throats.
Yey lets all vote UKIP.Loony tunes one and all.I imagine you lot will be the first ones whining if Liebour win the next election.
Probably, but I’m still switching to UKIP.
I’ll reconsider the conservatives when Cast Iron Cam is removed.
If you switch to Ukip Cameron will be removed by Brown!
Cast Iron Cam deserves to be removed
And you deserve Brown.
It would be a necessary evil. In fact I would dearly hope the Tories lose precisely because of them haemorrhaging votes to UKIP. In that scenario it would be very clear why they are not in power – not eurosceptic enough – and it would be very clear to them what to do to gain power in the future.
Cameron doesn’t have any principles beyond the acquisition of power – none of them do. Therefore, voting UKIP is a message in a language Cameron understands.
As a now former Conservative voter I have to agree.
Sadly, UKIP now feels like my natural political home
The present Conservative party has been occupied by ambitious liberals who couldn’t face a lifetime of being losers and decided to join the main opposition party instead. The remaining bewildered Tories still in it are routinely sidelined. Only their natural reluctance to jump ship stops them voting UKIP, or has done in the past. Softlad’s speech tomorrow had better be a belter or there won’t be anyone to deliver his election leaflets in vast swathes of the old heartlands.
An astute analysis. Who would want to inherit the Layabout Parties wrecked economy? When CMD was elected it was obvious they picked Blair lite. I used to think anyone but Labour, but frankly the tories as they are now need to split into a social democrat rump that worships at the EU alter and a UK first party who want no part of it.
As I said on a previous thread, now the Czechs have caved in and Brussels now have their way completely, having any sort of vote on the Constitution, sorry Lisbon Treaty, is as pointless as having one on the Munich Agreement.
Laws can be repealed. The often are.
The ‘law’ you refer to is one made by all the EU member states..not just Britain.
Try to imagine it as a jury trial…
Britain is one member of the jury..alongside 26 (?) other members, who have all voted for this ‘law’. That makes a majority verdict of…just do the math!! Don’t forget..Lisbon eliminates veto by one member.
Just how does Britain repeal a law it has not made????
The french, Netherlands and the Irish voted against we were never given the chance despite the manifesto guarantee from Bliar and McFuckwit
Wrong answer we are going to do it anyway Its in the EU DNA
Its a pity all you scumbags out there didnt vote Libertas in the Euros, we wouldnt have this crap going on if you had just listened.
A majority would have made the real difference in brussels, but no you trusted the same old has beens, and look where you are, up to your neck in it.
The only way forward is through a new party that wants what you want.
Think about you tossers
Hear Hear
Is Libertas still alive?
Its alive as the dead crows in the current political parties that claim to represent the people of Britain
Its a great pity for you, it really could have been great
libertas are the most federalist of the lot!
Yes, we are, but not as you know it. We want a trully free association of nation states. Democratic, transparent and most of all accountable to the electorate.
No deals behind closed doors for the elite.
If we have to have a president, he or she must be elected and accountable.
We believe in a united Europe, but not a commission of unelected elites.
Its probaly too late now to change things, such a pity it could have been great.
Any odds on this site crashing (in flames) any time soon?….From traffic, I mean…
Oi Cameron!!! GROW SOME!!
Blair for presedente (of some yet to be found dessert island)
I do not concern myself with trifles!
Arctic Rolls are nice
Chocolate Pud for me, please.
All manner of things are possible between now and the next election, assuming that Labour hold on to the bitter end. So predictions of the make-up of the next parliament are just guesswork, at best.
Here’s a guess. Suppose the Conservatives win a working majority, the Lib. Dems stay about where they are, and Labour suffer heavy losses, which as things stand, seems likely. What if UKIP poll well, and even finish up with 10 or 20 seats? This gives Cameron a powerful argument in his negotiations with the EU – his own party’s share of the national vote plus the UKIP share adds up his legitimate ability to say that he speaks for a majority of the British people when he demands changes.
That, and the fact that Britain is a significant net contributor to the EU, gives him quite a strong hand in negotiations.
Eng, if UKIP poll well enough to gain 10-20 seats then statistically (unless you could, er, “engineer” the voting) the tories would not be in. ZNL would be in, maybe with the LD’s in tow.
Well, you may be right. Suppose the basic premise of the argument held, maybe with 4 or 5 UKIP seats. Still leaves a broadly Eurosceptic Conservative government with a significant electoral mandate, and a reasonable right to claim they speak for UKIP voters as well.
The maths is very complex, Eng, but Dave has a real mountain to climb votes-wise and any UKIP surge will kill it. If you could control the UKIP vote eg they polled only where Dave stands no chance then you would end up with nil UKIP MP’s of course. ZNL have the same problem with the B’n'P which is why they are running so scared recently. Talking up UKIP to tories is ZNL’s last hope.
I see what you’re saying, Max, but I’m not so pessimistic. I suspect that quite a lot of the Labour vote will stay at home, much as the Conservative vote did in 1997. I accept that Labour have a built-in advantage having fiddled umpteen constituency boundaries, but still feel that their supporters are disillusioned. I’m not so sure that we’ll see Labour totally annihilated (though wouldn’t shed any tears if they were), but don’t think they’ll poll well. It’s one thing to answer a pollster, another to actually bother to vote. The Conservative core voters will be out in force, and it seems that many swing voters are moving that way.
Still think Cameron may have quite a strong hand for his EU negotiations.
Dave has to adopt the right policies to get elected.
If his policies don’t fit the bill, that is no one’s fault but his own.
The Conservatives do not have the God given right to form the next Government unless, that is, they have the policies which appeal to the majority of the electorate.
That is how democracy works.
Stop arguing and make sure that Central Office has got the message, however much Europe dislikes it.
Moley – I’m just trying to be realistic. Whether or not we like it (and I don’t like it) this damn treaty is ratified, and will soon be part of EU law (EU law – thats a phrase that sticks in my craw, too).
So what, realistically, can be done about it?
Until we hear what Cameron has to say tomorrow, perhaps we should keep calm. I don’t like the way the EU is developing, but I don’t think Cameron does either. His hands are to some extent tied, but he gets more negotiating clout if he sets out a fairly sceptical position on the EU before the next election, and then secures a significant electoral majority.
I think that’s our best hope.
you are an old tired man with no fight left in you engineer.
leave the resistance to the young men who have the guts for it.
oh, and keep your EU appeasing propaganda to yourself traitor or I will give you a good fucking clout round the ear, like last time.
I don’t want to embarrass you in front of your tory friends but I fucking will do if you keep banging on like a surrender monkey french man.
show some fucking spine engineer, for once in your life be a man and defend your country.
you useless fucker.
TaT, if you can’t make a sensible contribution to the debate, shut up.
Just for your information, I’m not an old man. I wasn’t old enough to vote in the previous EEC referendum in 1975 (I think).
Now do us all a favour, and stop posting rubbish. I shall not bother to respond to your posts again, except as a reply to something sensible.
you certainly sound like a tired old c’unt.
listen closely you cretin: top boy says; hold the line.
if you step across the line then you become the enemy.
so stop fucking whingeing about being attacked when you do that by betraying your own country you fucking spastic.
you are on the list engineer.
you are failing in your duty to protect your country.
oh, and your beloved leader, david cameron, is a lying c’unt.
birds of a feather, eh engineer?
thieves, traitors and liars, welcome to the conservative party
thieves, traitors and liars, welcome to the new labour party
VOTE INDEPENDENT – VOTE DEMOCRACY
FUCK TORY TRAITOR C’UNTS LIKE ENGINEER – VOTE INDEPENDENT
Cameron has now the chance to make the world sit up and take notice of him and his party by promising a referendum on British withdrawal from the EU project.
The EU would be rocked to the core if he threw that cat amongst the pigeons.
and thats exactly what he should do.
No chance. hes a pussy cat, he will squim and wriggle all the way to the next election and knows he has a good chance of making it to No 10.
Thats all he wants, the people phaff, what do they matter.
The major parties have a built in electorate that will vote for them even if they said it was gas chambers tommorrow, the techincal term is sheep, empty your pockets through taxation, its all for the good (of us) you know it makes sense.
But you cattle will still walk into the shed
To 225.
What makes you think he would do that?.
Hague said a while ago to Cameron the EUSSR issue was a ticking time bomb,afraid the ticking has stopped for Davy boy,he dont have the bottle.
Jobs
Britain pays more in than it gets out of the EU.
Britain imports more goods from the EU than it exports.
Britain pays for at least 50% of the EU nuclear weapons.
My only conclusion why WE get fucked so much by the EU is that OUR politicians want it that way. A bit like the recent immigration issue.part of a grand plan.
spot on!!!!!!!!
we need to get out of this madness!
they make money out of US-
so they will NOT stop trading with us!!!!!!!
forget the treaty-we need to get out of the whole stinking mess……
anyone seen the eu accounts recently?
i honestly do not know anyone in my town who is pro eu……..
we all want out!
EXACTLY !
When will the retarded voters of the UK wake up and smell the bacon !
2559, its the best estimate
With the EU propaganda coming out 24/7 from the BBC it is unlikely that you will ever wake everyone up. The sad reality is that people on here who are interested in what is going on around them are in a minority. The rest of the population are too busy with Big brother, Strictly Come Dancing and X Factor, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum
I posted this up at 206 but want to open it up to more debate. I am willing to agree that we are not overrun by “UKIP trolls” but I suspect plenty of anonymous ZNL trolling on here. But I’m open minded so help me by filling in the blanks please:
1. Tell me a better strategy for ZNL to split the tory vote and retain power other than by the insidious peddling of a “UKIP” line.
2. Tell me what our Nigel’s Plan B is after (say) a good showing in May 2010 and when ZNL are back in power albeit maybe with the LibidoDums in tow.
3. Tell me what Nigel’s Plan C is if (in his dreams) he forms a government in 2010 and goes to the country with a straight yes/no referendum … and is told “we want to stay in Europe”.
Go on, enlighten me.
If 5 years more ZNL is the price we have to pay for getting out of the EU, I’d pay it gladly.
See 254 below re “exit clause”. Tell me Plan D.
As i say loony tunes one and all.
The time to change things is at hand. If Labour win because people vote UKIP then so be it,because the current Conservative tosspots don’t deserve power either.
Think of the long game. The Conservatives will have 5 more years in opposition to reflect and maybe drag their ass back to the right of centre where they belong.
Labour would have to live with the shit they caused and get the full force of anger which they deserve.
It won’t be five years it will be a couple at most but in that time they will change the constitution so that (via AV or PR if the Libido’s require it) neither the tories (nor anyone) will thereafter be in a position to form a strong government. The UK (devolved of Scotland by that time too) will look very much like any other minor state of the EUSSR.
5 more years of Labour will mean a state of emergency, no elections.
Crashing currency economy in a spiral, only one thing for it.
The labour government to sort it out.
You know it makes sense
The Tory vote wouldn’t be split if Softlad actually was a Tory and not some sort of libdem wetwipe. And UKIP would support the Tory candidates in every seat if the Tories would commit to a referendum on withdrawal in favour of a simple free trade agreement. If Labour gets back in it will be the Cameroons to blame for being gutless, spineless and brainless, not UKIP’s for representing what its voters actually want.
You’ve got to feel sorry for Master Traitor and Jimmy riddle. They’re having orgasms on here today, and yet most people don’t give a shite. Maybe they should, but they don’t.
http://politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2009/11/03/does-the-tory-lisbon-referendum-row-matter/
I, like most, have not read the bloody thing but SURELY the Lisbon ‘Treaty’ must have a prescribed method for a country to exit the EU?
If so then working within the terms of the Treaty to get rid of the more crazy socialist agendas or an attack upon the political classes that infest it may well be the only way forward = If they refuse to reform it we can then threaten a referendum on our exit.
As with our Economy, Labour have put us up the EU’s sh*t creek without a paddle and it will be the Conservatives that have to make the best of a very bad job – Short of declaring ‘UDI’ (Is Ian Smith still about?) he/we can now only seek to change from within.
The BBC has it that the included exit clause makes an exit a possibility at least; here’s a summary of it (from EURactiv.com):
“Under the proposed “exit clause”(Article 46 of the future Constitutional Treaty [carried over to Lisbon]), Member States could leave the Union voluntarily if they give two years’ notice. Any request to leave the EU would have to be approved by the European Parliament and the Council of Ministers. The terms of a country’s exit from the EU would have to be agreed by a qualified majority.”
So you can leave if they let you. What do you think Scotland would want to do by the way? By that time who will be propping up the UK economy do we think?
Greenland voted to leave the European Union and is no longer part of it.
We can leave at any time by repealing the 1972 act (which was itself passed in dodgy circumstances)
It is irrelevant whether we give 2 years notice or get their permission. Repeal of the original act would mean that the EU diktats would have no legal bearing in English law.
Amazing how everyone goes off their heads BEFORE Cameron announces the Conservative Party position….How about you wait and see what he says!!!
Now that Lisbon is ratified there is no point holding a referendum on the matter. It would achieve the square root of bugger all!!! Cameron instead needs to come up with a policy which will keep all parts of his own party happy (Europhile and Eurosceptic) and which will not alienate the voters he needs to elminate ZanuLiebour from government for at least a generation!!!
His best option announce that going into the Conservative party manifesto is a pledge, if elected, to hold a referendum as soon as able on GB’s membership of the EU. The reason being that the situation we are in now is NOT what the British electorate voted for in 1975. He should go further and state that there are three options:
(a) Accept the status quo (federal Europe, President, High Representative and all that the Lisbon Treaty entails etc)
(b) Renegotiation of Britain’s role in Europe. Effectively this would mean creating a two tier Europe; those who want closer political ties and those who don’t. A bodge to be sure but one which could keep most happy…
(c) Leave the EU all together and join up to the European Free Trade Association.
If this policy is to work then Cameron needs to keep all his party onside; the best way to do this? Have a Cameron led government promote all 3 options EQUALLY. Just give the facts- have no interpretation of the evidence from the government at all. Let the pressure groups and organisations do that instead.
Also Cameron should allow the Europhiles to campaign freely. Have no party line on the issue- make it a genuinely ‘free’ vote and use it to split the other political parties too… Labour and Lib Dems have enough internal squabbles over Europe and the Conservatives.
There is also the added benefit to all this that Europe would see what is going on and would literally bend over backwards to let us renegotiate our position as there is no way on earth that they would want to lose our money from the EU’s coffers…after all how could they replace it????
Didn’t see what you had posted until after I had written my comment further down.
You are so right – so I hope Dave has a solution like it – because there is no way the EUSSR is going to want us doing a dramatic exit and taking our money with us!!!
“because there is no way the EUSSR is going to want us doing a dramatic exit and taking our money with us!!!”
which is exactly why Dave could hold a referendum and abrogate Lisbon off the back off huge public rejection of it Lisbon he had any balls
unless you think Euro President Bliar or whatever eurocrat drone twat gets the job will ARREST the British public and Prime Minister for breaking some obscure legal clause of the Lisbon Treaty that supposedly prevents the Sovereign nation of Britain from abrogating any treaty it wishes ?
Well it would be useful for someone on here who understands EU law to expain what our real legal options are now that the treaty is about to be ratified.
Can we rescind it?
Can we amend it?
What would be the outcome if we decided to exit Europe?
We need to understand exact issues.
Labour has never provided that detailed information. Hopefully the tories will.
If they don’t – politics will plummet even further in the public psyche!!
The UK parliament is sovereign and the government can do whatever Parliament votes to do.
I would be too surprised if a few EU members left with us.
Agree about the referendum – it is now pointless.
I posted above that it is quite possible that Camerons’s negotiating position in the EU could be stronger than many here think following the next election. It seems likely that broadly Eurosceptic parties will do significantly better than broadly Europlile ones (though not necessarily just because of EU policy). Also, to paraphrase nell’s point above, money talks.
ah so the piper should call the tune eh engineer?
well we are the piper but we are not calling the tune, we are
GETTING RAPED UP THE ARSE BY THE EU NO VASELINE
DO YOU LIKE GETTING ANALISED ENGINEER?
FUCKING SOUNDS LIKE IT YOU DOPEY OLD C’UNT
THE EU RESISTANCE HAS BEGUN
MISSION: FUCK WITH THE EU PROGRAMME
COWARDLY EU APPEASERS AND EU WHORES LIKE ENGINEER NEED NOT APPLY
PATRIOTS WELCOME
Vote for Esther Rancid (Ind: Luton South)……..she’ll sort it out
Engineer as the Americans say money talks and bullshit walks. Cameron is hoist upon a petard of his own making. The only thing he can offer is a referendum on EU membership and being the Blair lite schmuck that he is it will never happen.
My guess is that the Layabout Party will form a Lib Lab pact after the next election, but the cobbled together mess won’t last more than a few months and will be kicked out in a vote of no confidence. Cameron will be removed by the tories and they will elect a leader who is far more of a euro sceptic who will lead on an in/out referendum. You read it here first remember.
The plan is coming together. You morans never saw it coming. President of Europe?…. yes and no. President Rockefella more like. Morans!
It’s moron not moran you fucking moron ! And Rockefella ? WTF.
It’s spreading like a virus…
http://tiny.cc/O1fdK
Best reply yet, James 1st…
Except that prior to Lisbon there was not a formal exit process, now there is an exit process (see 254 above). But sometimes a legally binding process for exit is not designed to help one, er, exit.
Can anybody tell me? – once the Lisbon Treaty is ratified do we/dave/the tories, if they win the next election, have the legal means to reverse it?
Utter legal minefield. Only a major political party in power with a clear mandate could have the clout to start a process of reconsideration. Maybe with other like-minded EUSSR member states, maybe from the former Eastern Bloc. Er, get my drift?
Sovereignity of Britsh Law and Parliament above European legal clauses in Lisbon
British Law is Sovereign and above EU Law?
Well I hope you are right but can you prove it legally??
Do we have a lawyer on here who can help us with this point??
Try it.
Dave won’t because he’s a coward
Who’s going to arrest whom on the back of this awesome Euro-Legal power ?
What is the charge ? What is the sentence ?
Forget ‘legal’ just stop paying them the money, we will be quids in and the tradesmen will stop calling.
I have full confidence in a man that shares a yacht with Nathan Rothschild, Lord (stop it Im busting a gut laughing) Fondlebum and chaps called Oleg who enjoy an extra passport
*coughs* It aint a Saudi one
mandy’s an interesting ‘chap’ !!!!
Apparently he’s also a personal friend of Eli C++llil – the lebanese person behind the Equatorial Guinea coup.
And simon m++nn has now been released following a deal between the Foreign Office and the London Embassy of Equatorial Guinea.
He is, as we speak, being flown home in a privately chartered jet. I wonder who that belongs to??
I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend our Island home, to ride out the storm of war, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone.
At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of His Majesty’s Government-every man of them. That is the will of Parliament and the nation.
Lets Hope
The British Empire and the French Republic, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their native soil, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength.
Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous States have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Gestapo and all the odious apparatus of Nazi rule, we shall not flag or fail.
We shall go on to the end, we shall fight in France,
we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the landing grounds,
we shall fight in the fields and in the streets,
we shall fight in the hills;
we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old.”
If you useless scumbags out there had two brain cells to rub together we wouldnt be in this position, we would instead been negotiating a new Europe, a Europe with open borders, to all Europeans, independant states in cooperation with each other,
total free trade and prosperity, amongst a set of like minded people.
But there you go, vote on party lines you get what you get and deserve
So Dave is running scared from Ken Clarke by breaking his cast iron guarantee
Dave’s making his limp wristed announcement on “renegotiation” to shut down any dissent or debate and keep the drones on message.
The Public Relations “renegotiating” line is a joke.
Everyone knows that it only needs 1 of 26 countries to tell the small Conservative Eruo-grouping to fuck off and the negotiation is over.
Everything else is empty flannel to try and please the gullible.
Dan Hannan still wants a Referendum but doesn’t seem to know if he wants Cameron to give it to him.
Np Referndum No Vote
You needed a large EU party to stand up to the elite , that was Libertas, but you failed to support the one party that could of made a difference.
So as they say “suck it up”.
You voted.
Libertas want to reform the unreformable. And I don’t think I even want the reformed EU anyway.
Unfortunately we have been stitched up since Grocer Heath committed us all to the Bloody EEC/ EC/EU.
We are now well and truly b*ggered.
How does one apply to join New Zealand?
Be a qualified nurse, doctor, qs or other suitably qualified person and buy a plane ticket.
Be prepared, however, when you get to the other side to find that they too have their political, economic and racial difficulties.
Anthropologist Levi-Strauss dies …..with his jeans on. At least he’ll be spared this mess
Should have posted @ 5.01
Labour Euro-minister Chris Bryant was repellant on the Radio 5 earlier. He was actually boasting that the UK had handed massive power to the EU, so much that no govt could ever reverse it as they simply no longer had the power. He was positively proud.
What can Cameron do? You can’t have a referendum whether to ratify a treaty six months after it has been passed into law. They might as well promise a vote on American Independence.
show cameron what real conseratives think of his statement
http://www.gopetition.co.uk/online/31851.html
petition requesting the repatriation of powers from the EU
ALL TORYS PLEASE SIGN
Nobody will sign a petition with spelling mistakes and repeated words.
I dont understand what all the fuss is about,Dave no balls was never going to rock rhe Boat.
Vote UKIP and get more of Brown, not thank you.
To get rid of this fucking crap goverment
FOR FUCKS SAKE VOTE TORY.
UKIP ARE A BUNCH OF TOSSERS.
thankyou.
Vote a lot more UKIP and get a lot less Brown
PM Cameron will be our most Eurosceptic Prime Minister since Thatcher, possibly even more concerned about a Euro-Federal State tha Mrs T. Thatcher never left the EPP.
Vote Cameron Get Blair
Vote Labour – get graft, corruption, arrogance, incompetence and Europe.
Vote Lib dumb- get graft, corruption, arrogance, ineptitude and Europe.
Vote Conservative- get graft, corruption, arrogance and Europe.
Vote UKIP. Time for a change.
My god and to think you imbeciles actually believe this sort of stuff,incredible,quite incredible.
it is quite incredible that the tory trolls are still pushing the vote UKIP get brown line.
I have never heard so much shit in my life. their spin is totally exposed and out in the open, it really is desperately reckless stuff from the tory trolls.
let us be quite clear: there is more chance of gordon brown analising jennifer anniston than there is of him winning the next election.
brown doesn’t do elections, he is a coward. he will not lead labour into the next election because he would lose and lose badly which means he would then go out on a very low note indeed. he is such a vain, controlling meglomaniac that he will not allow his record to be degraded in that way.
brown is just about to bail out.
the boat(sorry)
A referendum on the treaty is now impossible, but Cameron must fulfil his promise of a ‘referendum on Europe’, whatever
He could throw in a YES/NO box on the bank bailout, if the banks lose, we keep £2000 per household, they go to jail.
Let’s face it, Brown, Darling and co are desperate to parachute themselves into cushy money-for nothing banking jobs when their political careers end….
…..as Brown himself said this week he fancies working for a charity when his Prime-ministerial career ends
This is a good way forward
Hang the bankers.
can’t say fairer than that
thye only let honest people work in my local charity shop!
I think that’s the plan for Royal Bank of Scotland – sell 600 high-street branches to Oxfam, you can help out the poor bankers by buying their second-hand clothes or a second-hand Scottish loan
It is exactly 30 years since I was as coldly angry as I am now. This is not government, it’s piracy and somebody is going to get badly hurt.
Cutlasses anyone?
Chainsaws while there’s still fuel.
Remind me?…….
You had to be there.
new scenario………
dave has now joined the elite duo of blair and brown as a compulsive liar…
dave now gets voluminous flak from new stazi because he failed to act as a proper opposition and bury THEM.!!!
dave carries on with the waffling and the tory vote disintegrates………
result more nu stasi!!!!!!!!!
so dave.it is time to promise that England leaves the eu experiment-totally!
you always put yourself first so be selfish and do what you have to do to become pm……….or let that shit stain brown and the repulsive mandy bury YOU!
How did he lie?
He said if not ratified a referendum would be held. If ratified something else but until that point that action cannot be defined which is pretty obvious really.
Or maybe not to some
Turn your wrath on the people responsible LABOUR BLIAR AND BROWN and don’t get distracted and play straight into Labours hands..
SPIN, SPIN, SPIN, SPIN, SPIN, SPIN, SPIN, SPIN, SPIN, SPIN, SPIN, SPIN
watch the on message drones whirling around and around as they try to parse Dave’s own words with semantics and pretend what he REALLY MEANT was…
Cast Iron Guarantee
He flipped and he flopped
U-Turn if you want to
The Dave is all for turning
I’d begin writing a list of all Browns U turns, but I need to have an early start on Friday morning.
The evil spin doctor is all excited:
http://www.alastaircampbell.org/blog.php?id=246
Absolute proof that “Dave’s broken promise” is a construct of Alastair Campbell’s mind. Thanks for this reminder, I try and avoid visiting that site too much.
Boy do I need a rest tonight from this lot.
Must be why Dave wrote it in the Sun
Because Campbell or Murdoch forced him to
Murdoch is going to beat the shit out of Dave for this
Don’t start me off again I’m going home.
Bugger, his stats have just tripled (to six).
maybe if I announce my worthless renegotiation position on the day of the Kelly Report no-one will notice I’m a complete pussy
KEEP ON MESSAGE AT ALL TIMES LITTLE TWATS!
Please dont insult TWATS
Lets look to the new/smaller parties to bring back real government for the people.
The MPs expenses have shown the contempt in which they view the electorate. Boot them out now
The folks threatening that any vote other than conservative will let in labour seem to be missing the point. What’s the benefit of a tory government that takes its orders from brussells,just the same as labour.
646 poodles jumping through hoops is fine for a circus,but they don’t get my vote.
Exactly
And in terms of outcomes then, er, what is your point?
The point is to vote for a candidate that bests reflects your views.If the three main parties all stand for eu integration,then choose elsewhere. Blair said “It is better to lose and do the right thing,than to win and do the wrong thing” And you never know,if enough people feel the same way…….
Thats a fair point I think. It perhaps is in Labours case ‘better to do the wrong thing and lose and get a cushy job in Brussels than the right thing and win and be thrown off the EU gravy train” Sums up the Nu Labour project to a T really.
Today the Labour Party and the Nu Labour project usurped the will of the British people always remember that. To risk them getting back in will make things many times as worse.
Did you not ever wonder why they always used the term project? Well now you do know. They started with the removal of the Royal Tournament as one of their first acts and ended with the removal of the Royal perrogative as one of their final acts. From today the Labour party has no further function the project has been completed. Did you vote for that?? I didn’t ever.
It’s not solely the victory of labour.The conservatives have played their part in this project.Sailor Ted took us in knowing full well that this would be the final solution.Maastrict was another conservative act.The pact between the parties has been stronger than the pact with the nation.
Sailor Ted did just as you say but in reality it was an economic union at that time. What did Heath know well more than was let on I think which is why he hates Maggie so much I guess. I know the stories put about now about the situation but at the time it basically extended the ‘Benelux’ arrangement and at that time to a point made sense. There was the threat of the Russians in the East of course and people were worried and war had receded from Europe only a few years before and well within the memories of most. There were these and many other reasons why people voted as they did but they did not vote for this however with hindsight now we know differently.
It was not finalised for us until Brown denied us the promised referendum sneaked into Lisbon and signed against our will leading to today when it was finally ratified. Little can now be done even if we wanted too. The blame for this though can only be laid at the feet of the party who have been in power for the last 12 years. Anyone else had no mandate to change anything they were quite simply not in power. Voting for Economic union was a mistake that could have been undone Voting Labour 3 times in a row was a msitake that could not be.
Voting UKIP at the next election will in my opinion only play into the hands of the very people who want Europe and by splitting the vote end up with Brown still in No 10 after June. A frightening prospect.
Being somewhat long in the tooth,and being there at the time,the premise that it was just a trading zone was the selling point displayed to the public,but many understood that it was a stepping stone to a united states of europe. Russia was not the big fear at the time,but America,with its seemingly limitless financial domination,was the rival that Europe had to contend with.
As for labour,many of their core voters are either so disallusioned,or in some cases defecting to the beeunpeers,that their vote will collapse.We have never had a better opportunity to kick out the old buggins turn of the last 64 years.
A sI was there and yes agreed that too.
Many changes were going on but I think we all saw it as economic rather than political at that stage anyway perhaps we were naive and of course as now shown we were wrong of course with hindsight. Its happening again though. We failed last time but we must make the effort at least to try and correct the error and not reopen the same ‘bear trap’ .
Long in the tooth is good you tend to know whats coming even if sometimes you can’t quite body swerve as quick as you used to be able too.
The last body swerve i did was in an early seventies disco when i met the wife. After that,body swerving,and all other pleasures,went the way of the Imperial measurement system.Only available by ignoring the threat of prosecution.
Dear God alive – nothing like a bit of EU nonsense to get the tin-foil hat brigade out in force.
Quoting Churchill, getting their secret army plans out, tanks in the high street, take over the TV stations….
What a bunch of twats.
I read a comment earlier today about a UKIP government and I haven’t stopped laughing yet.
Hurrumphing saddoes with leather patched elbows, collections of Daily Mail figurines and Royal commemorative plates, pillars of the Surbiton Rotary, 9 holes on a Sunday and a tart twice a year.
Brown or UKIP?
I think I’d prefer to eat my own spleen.
I wish you would, perhaps then we could have a sensible discussion
Phnar phnar phnar. Jolly comeback what?
The heir to Blair or the real thing telling us all what to do as European President ?
I think I’d prefer to eat my own spleen.
Since you mention Royal plates, when is Elizabeth II going to take the ‘Royal’ out of the Bank of Scotland
There is nothing Royal about the way they squandered other people’s money
Would you like to re read your post; it has an element of humour which you may have missed.
stepney, you have attempted a slightly more refined stab at the vote UKIP get brown line but your premise is still totally shit.
let me put it this way: there is as much chance of you being vigorously buggered by gordon brown without the use of vaseline this evening as there is of gordon brown winning the next election.
now do you understand?
go back to conservative HQ and have a rethink for fuck sake.
you useless c’unt.
Please give me the order to shot
Please feel free
Sky News is hammering little wavy Davy bigtime
get used to it Dave as Murdoch is going to roast you alive for this
The Tories were caught between a rock and a hard place. But if consessions were made by an insane PM I’m sure Dave can take them back.
Dave should consider having a full debate on all laws handed down from the EU parliament (substitute unelected presedential dictator if you will).
Refuse to provide funds to the EU untill all financial accounts are signed-off as true.
Plead poverty, tell the EU that Ireland and Italy will be paying our burdon from now on as we are bust because Labour has spent the next 3 parliaments money as well as the last.
Good point Koba, not difficult to prove Brown was delusional at the time he signed. Why else would a Prime Minister miss the official signing ceremony?
To all who say they will vote UKIP well think about this.
It was Labour that promised the referendum and stole it from you
It was Labour that pushed this through while saying they were not
It was Labour that sneaked in the back door and signed it
The Conservatives stated quite correctly that if not ratified and they got in power a referendum would be given as previously promised. That is no longer the case and you are completly naive if you think this can be overturned just like that. Labour have cemented this in place so well that even there people are being considered for the top jobs now.
Please go ahead and vote UKIP if you must and I am sure some of you will but you are just playing into the hands of Labour , Mandleson and Brown and also are very own master baitor. Be angry now then stop and think about it. Do you really want another 5 years of Brown , Balls and Mandleson etc well do you??????? If you do then vote UKIP and what you will get is Brown and Labour again and no doubt will be back on this site maoning and winging the man got back in and you can’t believe it.
By the way I also really want to vote UKIP but the complete and total destruction of Labour is the absolute first priority more important than anyhthing else at this stage which will demonstrate to Europe we don’t like what happened and how it was done and then we can start on Europe. Either way you wont get a referendum because UKIP cannot beat Labour outright at the polls so be realistic for once and lets first punish the bastards that did this ie LABOUR and not the ones who tried to prevent it happening.
Otherwise Labour and Brown are in a win /win situation, use this aginst the Tories when it is they themselves that should be on the rack (watch at QT tomorrow for the Brfrown snide remark it will be there). Vote UKIP this time and Europe will be our masters for ever and you can scream and shout and stamp your fett until you are sick for a referendum but you still will never ever get one.
YOUR CHOICE as for now it is suppsoedly a democracy but make that choice this time very wisely. It will be too late after this to come back and say ‘Labour conned me etc etc etc’ like many did the last time.
Hung parliment
Labour
Conservatives
Liberal
Greens
Independants
BNP
Welsh
Scottish
Wouldnt that be a better result, now that the conservatives have backtracked onthe cast iron pledge.
Letas have a free for all thats sorts out the men from the boys.
But as always vote Libertas were you can
Brown couldn’t win if call me Dave farted into a microphone for the next few months and during the election campaign
Pull the other fucking one chum
Brown’s yesterday’s man and is beaten
The polls are crystal clear
The Conservatives are so far ahead of Brown he can’t see them with a fucking telescope
Scaremongering won’t work
Dave has to take responsibility for his own Policies so if he backs out his own cast iron guarantee that’s entirely down to him and he has to accept the consequences
Not scaremongering KenC my friend. I really want to vote UKIP but there is something more important which is the destruction of Labour. I and many others thought we had done it last time but we failed and they came back and did this. We should not make the same mistake again so never ever presume a victory is in the bag until the last postal vote has been stuffed into the labour ballot box (Remember Glentrothes – and the missing register)
I hate and laothe the EU but I hate Brown and Labour even more. All in good time as they say but first things first and destroy Labour or make the same error. Not scaremongering just facts and we must now play the long game and at their own game its the only way to beat the bastards.
Opinion poll points to UK Conservative majority of 100
LONDON (Reuters) – Britain’s main opposition Conservatives could win a majority of more than 100 seats in next year’s election, an opinion poll showed on Wednesday(Oct 21), maintaining a 17-point lead over the ruling Labour party.
The Guardian/ICM poll showed support for David Cameron’s Conservatives rose one point from last month to 44 percent. Labour’s support also rose one point to 27 percent.
Britain’s second largest opposition party, the Liberal Democrats, fell one point to 18 percent.
The Conservatives have consistently polled well ahead of Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s Labour this year, with a parliamentary election due by June 2010.
—
Those are the FACTS.
That’s not just beating Brown that’s kicking the shit out of him and dancing on his grave
Like I said you’ll have to do better than baseless scaremongering
Noted the results you post and I agreed they look good. I really hope these remain the same but It will be interesting to see the next polls. If they do not dip I will continue to believe that we can give Brown and Labour the kicking they deserve. Remember Aljabeeba will spin this like crazy a lot of people still believe what they see.
I think we both want the same thing but are just arguing about the way to do it. I don’t care how we get rid of Labour so long as its very painful and drawn out for them.
I still think a vote for UKIP is misplaced I dont want a 100 seat majority I want a 200 seat majority I want Labour so badly mauled they will end up having difficulty filling the cross benches.
Hurrah !! someone with half a brain.
Pity its the duff half.
No 10 bunker +++Applause+++
Logical and well reasoned. Vote anyone other than Conservative and we’ll get another 5 years of the Brown Terror.
THAT’S IT RIGHT BASTARD, WELL DONE, RALLY THE TROOPS
IF WE ALL PRETEND EVERYTHING IS ALRIGHT AND THAT DAVID IS NOT A LYING FUCKING C’UNT THEN MAYBE EVERYTHING WILL BE ALRIGHT AND NO-ONE WILL NOTICE, IT’S WORTH A TRY INNIT?
GOOD STRATEGY
At last some sensible sentiments – it was Brown that did the deed, take it out on him. Cameron was the last throw of the dice but events have made a referendum pointless.
but events have made Cameron pointless.
We should thank the 27 signatories – and invoke Article 49a of the Treaty.
Thanks for enshrining this principle as legally empowered process.
I can not find a 49a. Maybe there are other treaties?
See here http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:C:2007:306:0010:0041:EN:PDF and scroll down to para 58.
OK you Brits you know you are as nothing in the world today but we prop you up as well as we can, but enoughs a enough, you are a little insignificant country in Europe so behave like one.
No more tantrums about leaving the EU. Ive told you thats not on, so behave.
If you continue to act as though you are a free nation we will take away “your” nuclear deterent and the shield that goes with it.
You white boys are finished.
I would like to affirm the special relationship between America and Britian, yes but that how I spell it you pigmys
Aargh! I am defeated tonight. The lack of a cohesive argument from the trolls and no clear instruction from the odd floating UKIPPER as to what is Plan B, Plan C and Plan D means that I am retreating back to my personal bunker for some red vino R&R instead of continued resistance.
I am now “convinced” that to do the right thing by old blighty I need to dump Combover Dave, drape myself in Nigel’s flag and vote UKIP whilst simultaneously shooting myself in the foot and the head.
It is the right thing to do (apparently, because it “shows them”) and I will of course have made a (lopsided, bullet permitting) stand. Even if that means another two years of the rolling car crash that is McDoom and the inevitable altering of the constitution to AV or PR (if the Libido’s require it) so that the tories are buried forever.
It is my duty.
[Was that ok Alastair or a bit over the top, pardon the pun?]
we stick with plan A
A Referendum on Lisbon with the publics convincing rejection of it enabling the easy Abrogation of the Lisbon treaty as is the ability of any British Prime Minister in the Sovereign State of Britain
It’s hardly fucking rocket science but it does require balls and the ability to keep your promises
Dan Hannan is going off reservation and off message on Sky News BTW
looks like he’ll be joining UKIP after all
Bollocks.
Big Tits
The problem for UKIP is that at a General Election, the EU issue is a minor issue for the vast majority of voters. Jobs, health, immigration far outweigh the issue of our relationship with the EU, despite the fact that immigration policy in particular is heavily dependant on what emanates from Brussels.
The important thing at the next election is to vote Tory to boot Labour out – once the bunch of traitors currently masquerading as the UK Government have been kicked into early retirement, we can turn our attention to the EU problem.
When it comes to voting itself, the words “UK Independence Party” will remind the electorate exactly what they are voting for and why.
The EU issue will be in front of them, written on the ballot paper.
Who promised a referendum on the unratified treaty?
Who was in a position of power, by being the head of the UK Government, to actually implement one?
Who bottled it and reneged on the promise of a referendum to ratify the treaty?
Who actually sidled into a darkened room and signed the treaty on his own?
If any of you can truthfully say D. Cameron to these questions then you are plainly too fucking stupid to be in a position to vote.
Before you start hurling the word traitor around think about who actually held the pen.
Yes but lets have a plan B eh
Who promised a referendum on the unratified treaty?
LABOUR !!!!!
Who was in a position of power, by being the head of the UK Government, to actually implement one?
GORDON BROWN !!!!!
Who bottled it and reneged on the promise of a referendum to ratify the treaty?
Who actually sidled into a darkened room and signed the treaty on his own?
GORDON BROWN!!!!!!!
If any of you can truthfully say D. Cameron to these questions then you are plainly too fucking stupid to be in a position to vote.
Before you start hurling the word traitor around think about who actually held the pen.
SPOT ON AND IT WAS Errr MILLITWAT AND THEN GORDON BROWN
read all about Cameron’s demolished credibility, only in your Super Soaraway Sun!
What? Do you mean this?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sun_talk/gauntysblog/2712263/Whats-that-Smell-Alan-Johnson.html
No, this
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/eu_referendum/article273758.ece
26/09/2007.
Wow, that’s bang up to the minute news that is.
So what is the current “sell by” date on Dave’s cast iron guarantees and election promises ?
a year ? a month ? a week ? a day ? an hour ? 5 minutes ?
And Guido already posted the Sun article if you had actually been looking
twat
A week is a long time in politics, let alone 2 fucking years.
The only thing that people want to see in yesterdays news is a portion of cod and chips you dopey сunt.
An election wins you a Parliamentary term of 5 years twat
So it self-evidently matters if you can’t keep a cast iron guarantee for 2 years because it means any Policy or promise Dave has right now is as worthless as the chip-paper he was so excited about winning the conditional support of or do you actually have pigshit for brains ?
OK, knobhead, point me to the damaging headlines re Cameron in today’s Sun newspaper? Even Ali Campbell can’t find any, which has pissed him off no end. Get real mutha fucka.
“yesterdays news is a portion of cod and chips you dopey сunt.”
These embarrassing U-Turns must be all the rage with Dave and his Parties little spinning minion twats
What embarrassing U turn?
Cameron spells it out on Lisbon only here in The Sun!
you WILL get a referendom that’s his CAST IRON GUARANTEE!
In other News we dont want to remind you of, we warn you about those Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq and why we backed Tony Blair for so long
but never mind that, here’s a big pair of tits!!
It’s The Sun wot won it, and don’t you fucking forget it.
GORDON HELD THE PEN AND DID THE DEED!!
The thing is Nell, in case you hadn’t noticed, there is a matter of principle involved here.
Dave has had 2 years to come up with an alternative plan, as to what he would do, if the treaty had been ratified. He clearly hasn’t bothered to do so, even though there was a distinct possibility that some fool on the other side would sign us up.
Had he been serious about giving us a vote on the EU/Lisbon treaty/Orange flavoured Smarties, he would have had a plan in place ready to announce the very moment that treaty was ratified.
His cast iron guarantee was only there to appease the eurosceptics on his own side of the house, there was never any intention of it being thrown open to the country to vote upon.
Therefore, he deceived us and he can’t be trusted.
‘ere, stop messing abayt
[Headbut on the way to the exit]
On the basis that one should always give credit where credit is due, I would like to congratulate our host for keeping his word (I admit I was skeptical) and publishing the Sunlight Centre financials. Now is not the time or the place to make fun of the numbers, I merely offer my condolences.
We have done quite a lot on a small budget. Early days yet.
You’ve managed to spend 1900 a month on the solicitors. At this rate (and ignoring the downward trend in income) you should hit your target early 2014. She’ll be soiling herself I’m sure.
I was sorry to see what you make poor Galley live on. In London as well. You realise you couldn’t get one of the Dorries girls out of bed for twice that.
Or Richard Timney out of the khazi
I love the smell of UKIP loonies pissing their pants in fury.
see you in the Gulag
Don’t forget the Liebore trolls having orgasms about ‘U turn’ Dave, conveniently forgetting how much the majority of people hate serial liar Browns guts and can’t wait to see the back of him.
If Cameron is serious he should make a manifesto commitment to amend the Parliament Act(s), to require a referendum to approve any substantive change in the sovereignty or competences of Parliament. This would have to be drawn fairly widely to include the adoption of the Euro. The amendment would have to include a provison that the Act itself could only be amended following approval in a referendum (to stop a future Government with an upper house majority simply amending it back). As well as putting a democratic lock on new EU treaties this would also prevent a future Government from fixing the voting system to suit itself.
The Consolidated EU Treaties following Lisbon are not “self amending”; changes need unanimity in the European Council. Changes (or a new treaty) will be required, eg for the accession of Croatia. An effective veto would be a strong bargaining chip for the UK to demand further opt outs and repatriation of powers.
No read the treaty
For all you people thinking of voting ukip or bnp just remember if you do the chances are we will get another 5 years of Labour !!! Remember it was Brown that promised a refurendum it was Brown that signed the treaty without one. The torys know that now it is law there is nothing you can do but go in and renegotiate what they can. REMEMBER IT WAS BROWN AND LABOUR THAT STITCHED US UP
Who cares? we are no a fully signed up member of a Federal Europe. Whoever we vote for no longer matters.
New Parties are a must
we all know that it is blair and brown who have led the uk to the edge of the crevass!!!!!!!
but—–politics is about perception!!!!!!!!!!
how many people work in pr etc for the tories?
they obviously don’t listen to what joe public say!
by making meandering, wavy,wishy washy statements the public feel that dave is just being another deceitful politician……….
at the moment politicians are not the most popular group of people in the uk (anyone notice tory party)?
so he has managed to get himself tarred with the same brush as brown……..
ie ‘they are all liars’………………
fucking hell…..oxford uni has really gone downhill.
be a man dave- do you want in or out of the eu?
Wishy Washy.
Yes I like that!!
It says everythng that is to be said about Labour. Mann ex SAS, personal friend of EliC++lill. PERSONAL FRIEND OF MANDY (Y’now that labour chap????)
Mann was released tonight from Equatorial Guinea where he had tried to assassinate the leader of that country and replace him with a puppet —- why???— because equatorial guinea produces £40million in oil every day.
mandy, markt and his friends would have been rich if mann had succeeded.
Whose private jet has brought mann home????? Hmmm??? mandy going to hide that one isn’t he????
Can somebody not prosecute Newlabour for not sticking to their manifesto promise?
well they are getting booted out the door in a few months come what may
however since some twats on here think a legal clause in a euro treaty is more powerfull than the British Prime Minister, the British public and the Sovereignity of the UK I wouldn’t bring up prosecutions with these pussies
Simple Question
who will be arresting whom and on what charge should Britain exercise it’s Sovereign right to abrogate Lisbon or, god forbid, hold a referendum to strengthen the case against it ?
yet supposedly some legal technicality has deafeated call me Dave and he has to flee in terror lest the Euro Police arrest him
The Law Lords have already stated after Maastricht that the EU is now the highest law in the land and therefore in principle he can be tried in a UK court of law.
Since the Lisbon treaty includes a clause that prevents criticism of the EU then in principle any UK politician campaigning against the EU is committing an illegal act and can be tried for treason in a UK court of law. The same goes for all of us here, right now, since the Lisbon Treaty is already legal in the UK.
Already been done, it’s perfectly legal for our politicians to lie to us.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7233175.stm
I’m not voting Tory now, and if that keeps Labour in power – so be it!
Dave is to blame. Fucking moron!
Tell you what, why don’t you vote for Labour like you intended to in the first place?
Fuck off! I was planning to vote Tory, same as last time. But I won’t vote for traitors.
Yeah right.
You don’t even know me, you slag.
why not just Fuck off and take your pathetic “on message” nobody cares about Lisbon bullshit spin elsewhere little spad ?
What fucking traitor actually signed the treaty you lying, pernicious little toerag wanker?
Yeah – Brown is scum as well. I’m not voting Labour, not voting Tory, probably not voting at all.
Last election, I wanted Michael Howard to be Prime Minister. I had no idea he was going to be replaced by a twat like Cameron.
Is this too difficult for you to understand?
Fuck Brown he’s finished and good riddance to bad rubbish
Cameron has to be a big boy for once and have his own policy on this blatant european power grab from Britain
it’s a eurocrat treaty not the fucking law of gravity or the word of god, shit for brains
it can be abrogated and repealed unless you cower in fear at the thought of arrest from some imaginary all powerful Euro-Police for the heinous crime of over-riding some obscure fucking legal clause in their treaty or daring to have a referendum ?
What a Fuckwit
Why don’t you put your tin foil hat on and shut the fuck up?
I was going to vote Tory as well.
Don’t think I’ll vote at all now
One for the status quo then.
Muppet.
Seems reasonable to me. If we stay in the EU our government will just be a waste of space anyway. Voting for a waste of space will be a waste of time.
Labour has got one thing right…
They’ve sold the UK out to Brussels, gambling that, twelve years later, it’s still the issue most likely to send the Tories into a spin.
We cannot renegotiate the “Lisbon Constitution” – not without the agreement of every other EU member. It is not going to happen, so a referendum on “whether we like it” it is pointless.
The only debate left to have is: Do we stay in the EU?
It’s unrecognisable from the EEC that we joined in the 70’s. Heaven knows what the true balance sheet resulting from 26 years’ membership looks like.
There is a clear precedent for a referendum on the reformed EU:
The Tories took us in 1973.
Labour promised a referendum in 1974.
In 1975 we voted as a nation to remain in the EEC.
Now, which politician has got the wherewithal to take this on?
Look.
My new position is that I shall not let things rest there.
Oh crumbs no.
I shall just about blooming well not, I should say.
Rather!
Well broon and mandy are going to say –
trust us!!! we are going to get the economy right.
Labour says they know they sold our gold stocks off at rock bottom prices after they had told the market they would do it. They just didn’t mean to do that!!
gordon says he predicted the banks would crash 12 years before it happened . He simply can’t explain why he didn’t stop it happening!!!!
you know what nell ? FUCK THEM!!
those twats are out the door in a few months
Buh-Bye! and don’t let the door hit you on the arse on the way out, etcetera.
Dave has to be a big boy and finally take responsibilty for his own actions and Policies
EVERY political Party in the UK has a platform of Brown’s a useless fucker
Dave has to have actual policies and the courage to back them up
Are YOU a true Brit?
if you value your dmeocracy and independance you will sign this petition
we urge David cameron to have an immediate referendum on the EU Lisbon treaty
SIGN THIS !!!!!
http://www.gopetition.co.uk/online/31851.html
PLEASE help us publise this petition, we want atleast 3000 names in a week
learn to proof-read and I might
I didn’t think that Hague sounded entirely at ease with himself today having to annouce Camoflam’s u-turn.
I got the impression that what he really wanted to say was “Weeeee in the connnnnservative parteh will be having a refer-en-dum come what may. And if the EU doesn’t like it, they can suck on a ferret’s arse. Aye thank you.”
scuse me?
Gutless Dave the limp wristed Euriphilic Knave!
If he’s wound you up, it looks as if he’s doing something right.
I will have a bonfire on Nov 5 and will ensure my Tory membership card will be on the pile along with the cast iron guarantee!!
Why don’t you throw yourself on too and do us all a favour?
I’m made of cast iron unlike knob heads guarantee!
You’re certainly thick enough.
Interesting how the UK Tories have the same problem with squishy “conservatives” that the Republicans have in the US.
I guess you are talking about the RINO who withdrew in NY?
Hello Toryboys.
No referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. surprise,surprise.
What a shower of gullible clowns you lot are.
as for UKIP, the experts on housing benefit fraud, -be serious please.
DC MUST BE MADE TO UNDERSTAND THAT NOTWITHSTANDING RATIFICATION THE BRITISH ELECTORATE WANTS ITS SAY ON LISBON. IF A POST ELECTION VOTE ON LISBON IS NOT PROMISED IN THE CONSERVATIVE MANIFESTO, A SUBSTANTIAL PROPORTION OF THE ELECTORATE WILL STAGE ITS OWN REFERENDUM – EITHER BY VOTING UKIP OR STAYING AT HOME.
Cameron shows whay many of us voted for dave Davis.
When a country is occupied/controlled by a foreign power and decomcratic methods have failed, its citizens are morally justified in seeing to remedy that matter by non constitutional methods.
Our first target should be the fat-cat european commisioners. Monitor the activities on the web. When they visit Britain, we demostrate, we boycott, we attack, and if that hasno effect, we assasinate.
Remember, they have to be lucky all the time, we have to be lucky once
Genuine question.
Most people on this blog are Eurosceptic, some strongly so, for a variety of reasons. I am Eurosceptic because I don’t like the way the EU government works – it’s not democratically accountable, it’s corrupt, it’s remote and it’s excessively bureaucratic. It also costs us too much.
Europhiles tell us that the advantages of EU membership outweigh the disadvantages.
Please explain the advantages of EU membership. We hear “it’s good for jobs”, but nobody explains why it’s good for jobs. We hear “it’s prevented another war” but we’ve had the rather bloody break-up of Yugoslavia, and isn’t that what NATO is partly about, alongside it’s anti-Soviet role?
I’m genuinely curious. Europhiles – please enlighten me.
can’t enlighten you because I agree completely. EU , as far as I can see, is good for participating politicians and noone else.
Its really good for us the benefits are amazing don’t you know.
Pass the champers dear will you…
Try Speccie blog, you’d get reams of enlightenment there!
There are no advantages, it’s purely a political project that stems from anti-Americanism and wanting to create a new superpower to rival Uncle Sam.
Do we really want to be part of a new superpower? Britain has been there, done that and it’s not all it’s cracked up to be. It creates more enemies and resentment than friends and allies. I’d rather be a small nation that doesn’t throw its weight around on the world stage and instead concentrates on looking after its own people.
Thanks for that Anon; I’m inclined to agree. Switzerland and Norway seem to do well enough by their people. I’d be content with something similar. I think that the independence to make your own decisions is beyond price.
Don’t think so mate. Most of those countries in the EU were un by communists, facists or imperealists until quite recently. They only became democracies becuase the Yanks forced them to if they wanted to dip their hands in the pot of the Martial Plan. Facts is that most of them have democracies that are largely unworkable. The democracy in Spain, Italy, Greece and France is laughable. Government in Ireland is so corrupt they thought about going back to the UK with an apology for asking for independence.
Basically these no-mark countries that have acheived almost nothing since WWII are more than happy to immerse themselves in a washed out version of Stalinism. We’re better than that and it’s high time we got off our fucking knees and demonstrated that.
It was quite good for trade until recently because EU tarriffs protected the EU from outside competition. However, now the WTO over-rules the EU on matters of trade as we have a globalised world economy – so the EU can’t keep China out nor can it keep an independent Britain out.
It is this fact that has made Lisbon so urgent. They need to get us signed up to the federal project before we all realise that the EU itself is now worthless to us, as the one thing it had to offer has been made redundant by globalisation policed by the WTO. That is why they are pushing Lisbon so hard – they are running out of time to keep the wool over our eyes.
OK challenging schedule here.
Don’t , please don’t, forget our troops in Afghanistan here.
‘Night . God Bless!!!
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/
He’s getting the full fucking treatment every 15 minutes
Murdoch is clearly not a happy bunny
That Sun “support” isn’t going to be very visible any time soon
Oh dear, it doesn’t look like the print media are taking up the baton. Why don’t you put your head in a bucket and bang it with a hammer? It’ll all make perfect sense then, you fucking loon.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/The-Papers—National-Newspaper-Front-Pages-On-Wednesday-November-4-2009/Media-Gallery/200911115432488?lpos=UK_News_Left_Promo_Region_0&lid=GALLERY_15432488_The_Papers_-_National_Newspaper_Front_Pages_On_Wednesday_November_4_2009
why don’t you fuck off and let a limpwristed twat like Wavy Davy sell you down the river to a bunch of unelected corrupt wankers in the EU you snivveling little toe the Party line shiteater
Oh, that’s right you already have.
Enjoy
Look mate you didn’t have to take me literally and actually stick your head in a bucket and hit it with a hammer FFS. You’re not making much sense now.
No change there then.
sorry chum I forgot I was talking to a submental who struggles to understand anything
Cameron wimped out on his cast iron guarantee
get your mummy or care worker to explain and spell it out to you with bright pictures and your favourite rattle
Don’t be silly, it’s all a done deal.
“Cameron wimped out on his cast iron guarantee.”
So what?
Good ol Boris. I knew all along he was never a bounder:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5hLrjeWaqMl48XXDBOuSidxcLRdVg
Wonder if Ken Leninspart would have done the same…
All you trolls slagging off Cameron and pledging support for UKIP have forgotten one thing….
Q.What the fuck can UKIP do if they win the GE after Lisbon is ratified?
A.Not a fucking thing (despite their half baked rhetoric)
Q.What will happen if said UKIP Government asks the EU for permission to leave?
A. The exit penalties will be so draconian that this Country will be finished for at least a generation.
Result: UKIP Government (literally) destroys Britain.
Supplementary question..
Q.What are UKIP’s policies on anything other than the EU?
A. Fuck all.
Fucking good thinking you lot! Engage your bleedin’ brains for once.
The country is finished for a generation dick head.Liebore made sure of that.
The Sleeper rules! Logic at last!
The idea of a UKIP government is as funny as putting a dog in charge of a nuclear power station.
Once they’ve had a piss up against something and established that there’s nothing else to do they’re totally fucked.
And chances are the rest of us would be too…
Q.What the fuck can UKIP do if they win the GE after Lisbon is ratified?
A. repeal one Act, sorted.
exit penalties for fuck’s sake.
policy ?, tell ‘em to fuck off, they’ve had as much of our money as they will ever get.
other policies ? even a fuckwit like you can find a website and a download link surely.
Even if they did nothing in government except sit around playing fucking cards… at least they would do no more harm.
Thanks to Labour, this country *is* finished you moron…
This is a portion of what Ali Campbell has written on his blog.
“I just paid a visit to the Sun’s online service, to see what they were doing with David Cameron’s dumping of his ‘cast iron guarantee’ – made to the paper’s readers – to hold a referendum on Europe.
If you take the front page and the main news page together, I reckon you’re looking at going on for around one hundred stories. Only one of them mentions Cameron – a photocall he did with Gary Lineker yesterday about a plan to give tickets for football matches and other major events to UK troops.
But unless I am going blind in my old age, I cannot see a single mention of the abandonment of the pledge made explicitly and exclusively to Sun readers…”
What’s the matter Ali, don’t like the taste of your own fucking medicine?
Perhaps he’s forgotten this from labour’s manifesto of 13.4.05 in Lisbon treaty
“The Labour Party manifesto 2005
84
EU can do and what it cannot. It strengthens the voice of national parliaments
and governments in EU affairs. It is a good treaty for Britain
and for the new Europe.We will put it to the British people in a referendum
and campaign whole-heartedly for a ‘Yes’ vote to keep Britain
a leading nation in Europe.”
Did they fail to mention the additional half a billion quid of national debt your jackass PM ran up again today? Like every other fucking day?
Phew. That was a stroke of luck.
Not to mention the 20 or 30bn quid they printed to continue to prop up the UK banking system that collapsed while the imbecile Labour government were all having a 12 year circle-jerk about what fucking brilliant economic geniuses they all were. Did The Sun skip that too?
Lucky.
Fuck off Campbell. Two words for you pal.
David Kelly.
Oh, make that four. Fuck you.
The Sun should start a daily counter like the yanks used to have. A public debt counter in Trafalgar Square. Thirteen digits long. Ten foot high. The first four digits thrashing along so fast as to be indistinguishable.
Bring it home to millions of commuters every day how utterly fucked this country is by the imbecile Brown and his army of 400 or so self-serving, incompetent jackass Labour Mps.
Thats it – I was sure to vote Conservative at the next election – now Cameron’s no better than Blair and Brown – a dishonest cheat – sod his promise – now I shall be voting UKIP
Ooh, I’m scared.
+1
All these disgruntled voters are going to add up.
You’re blowing it ‘Dave’…
Brown x3.
Yeah,right..the handful of all those ‘disgruntled voters’ who spout off here are gonna make all the difference…
…and probably it’s even less than a handful as the ‘few’ are posting under different names to swell the apparent numbers.
Dear oh dear.
I’ve just read on Ceefax that the MP Parmjit Dhanda has put himself forward to be next Speaker of the house!
Fuck me, can you imagine it? “ORDER! ORDER!” and all the MPs asking for curry, poppadoms and pilau rice.
What “Cast Iron Guarantee”?
One year on all balti dishes, 6 months on tandoori ovens.
Same one as Labour gave in their manifesto I guess but at least being in power they did have the opportunity and ability to deliver but did not and lied instead.
Take note of that so that next time when the Labour manifesto is issued it should now be know as the
Labour Manifullofshit.
Calling all those that are now going to vote for UKIP..
Who’s going to be the UKIP Leader?
Who’s on UKIP’s ’shadow’ cabinet?
Ever heard of any of them,or what their policies are?
Didn’t think so.
I wish I hadn’t heard of such political giants as Ainsworth, Spliff, Milipede (E & D), Spunkett, Mrs Kinnock, Mr Kinnock and all the other fucking Pinnochios that have completely and utterly destroyed the UK in 12 short years.
Bring on the nobodies. They cannot be possibly be as mendacious, deceitful and downright incompetent as the present bunch of bull-shitting, lying, troughing scumbags.
Pheww, feel better for that!
I’ll now be voting UKIP hoping it costs the conservatives the election
Sadly, that looks like that’s the only way to wake the party up and get rid of Cast Iron Dave
Oh, and another thing, Sleeper.
You mention ‘what are their policies’? Well, as long as they bring forward a manifesto that the majority is in general agreement with AND STICK TO IT (unlike the present bunch of mendacious, deceitful and downright incompetent bunch of bull-shitting, lying, troughing scumbags), it could only be an improvement for UK politics and the UK itself.
I’m not talking about the current Government..I’m asking the ‘UKIP new evangelists’ what their Messiahs’ will bring to the country other than a divisive EU policy.
And what makes you think that the mindless rantings of some on this blog represent the majority of the electorate?
The only thing that will make DC give us a referendum is a swing to UKIP in the polls. I suggest everyone tells the pollsters that they will vote for Nigel. DC will then have to come up with something to win votes back. Seeemples. I’m only making plans for Nigel.
He’s no sergeant rock,more captain cock.
Sleeper, too asleep to go to their website and download documents… or too thick ?
What, compared to the government of ‘all the talents’.
Go away you pointless little man…
Sun front page blames Brown.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/The-Papers—National-Newspaper-Front-Pages-On-Wednesday-November-4-2009/Media-Gallery/200911115432488?lpos=UK_News_Left_Promo_Region_0&lid=GALLERY_15432488_The_Papers_-_National_Newspaper_Front_Pages_On_Wednesday_November_4_2009
Can’t argue with that.
And why would the Sun draw attention to the fact that it was talking complete shite via Cameron ?
They are as likely to reprint all their Weapons of Mass Destruction lies
Can you imagine the difference a headline like ‘Cameron reneges on ‘Cast Iron guarantee’ would make? That’s how Blair/Campbell would have had it reported.
Now the Sun has put the blame squarely where it belongs.
Only the BBC holding out now although of course the power and exposure of their misinformation trumps practically all national newspapers combined.
The blame is with the one party who undertook this terrible deed over the last 12 years not the ones who tried to prevent it. there is little or nothing you can do when not in power and we all know it. I am reminded by another poster though who correctly pointed out that perhaps the EU is not the most important thing on many peoples minds and other things are like paying the bill, keepting a job etc.
I hope the people outside this blog of a few compared to the population as a whole will see that and understand that if they want their country back Labour is not the answer and never has been it always runs out of other peoples money. Thats yours and my money yet still they want more.
Sadly neither is UKIP as much as I would love to vote for them at the moment they cannot beat Labour so like it or not we have a single option because in this election there are bigger fish to fry. Then we can get at the EU but to expect a party not in power to be able to enforce a referendum after the event is like fishing for the moon in the water.
Lots of Labour Trolls under the bridge tonight
Screwing silly billy tory goats,no doubt
Goat Feckers?
Lots of sadsack Tories realising their leader is as tough as melting jelly and will fold like a cheap pack of cards under any EU pressure tonight
Dem chickens sure can dance!
Baaaaawwwk Buck buck buck cluck!
I am a lying c’unt.
No, honestly.
Seriously, I am telling the truth this time, I am a lying Hoon.
Really, it’s true.
Honest.
Why don’t you believe me?
I am a lying c’unt.
I am.
Tat, you’ve had a hard wanking day. Give your wrist a rest a son?
and so, after a hard day’s troll slaying, the great and heroic thick as thieves finally puts down his troll bashing club and has a nice cup of tea.
victor ludorum again.
genius innit.
Dave Camerons european statement otherwise known as the second longest suicide note in political history.
Yeah, and we all believe in the fucking tooth fairy.
And in Daves cast iron guarantee.
Whoever believed this must have been on crystal meth.
“The Labour Party manifesto 2005
84
EU can do and what it cannot. It strengthens the voice of national parliaments
and governments in EU affairs. It is a good treaty for Britain
and for the new Europe.We will put it to the British people in a referendum
and campaign whole-heartedly for a ‘Yes’ vote to keep Britain
a leading nation in Europe.”
Easy on the drain cleaner son,it can lead to illiterate postings.
It probably makes as much sense as the original, so fuck you.
Too late son,Parliament got there first.
Sounds like you enjoyed it too, you fucking knob jockey.
Said the Bullingdon fag. Or is it fag hag? Must be PC nowadays.
I see you’re well up with the lingo, you needy bitch.
Shall we get a room?
Your dormitory or mine?
Too weird.
Thats what Georgie said to the dominatrix.Followed up by “We’re all in it together” Do you know his pals? Peter,Oleg and Jacob.
What are you a stalker? Yeah that’s what you are, a fucking psyber stalker. Guido, help!
At this late hour,nobody will come to your rescue.As the Czech president said “You should have done something about it when you could,rather than relying on me to pull your arse out of the firing line.”
Look, I’ve reconsidered your offer about finding a room, but as you’re obviously posting from a secure ward in a ghastly mental hospital, that could prove rather difficult couldn’t it?
(Exit our hero, hoping he’s escaped the attentions of some weird and creepy, mutha fucking. psyber stalker).
You haven’t.
Be seeing you!
No you fucking won’t you dopey сunt.
Up your bullingdon.
Hannan’s doing a reasonable job on Newsnight.
Hannan and Fraser Nelson cutting through all the hysterical bullshit on here today. Nice one lads.
Think I will wait until tomorrow and hear what our Dave says before I join the
hysterical bullshit.
Come on in – the bullshit’s lovely!
Skip the bullshit, I’ve had 12 years of it, I don’t need any more.
Cam the Sham, you’re a busted flush.
Oh well Dave, I’d call off your bid to win the next election, it’s all over mate. Without ‘An ex-Tory voter’ backing you, you don’t stand a fucking chance.
Hannan was keeping his powder dry but Fraser made the good point that the only possible referendum now was the in or out of EUSSR referendum. He mentioned six years time but it has to be in the next parliament!
Do treaties last for ever? Can a party to a treaty revoke it? If so, we can have a referendum. If not, we should change it, and then have a referendum.
Wasn’t Gibraltar was gained under a treaty,but I can’t be arsed looking it up.
Isn’t this a constitution posing as a treaty?
U-turns prohibited?
UKIP will have gained plenty of the Euroskeptik vote if the Conservatories allow this EU cave-in. Notice Paxman used the Cheque-Mate pun coined here to start Newsnight.
The Cons have already been pussy-footing over:
immigration
and expenses reform
and public service cuts
and green charges
and education reform
and House of Lords legitimisation
and the rolling back surveillance state legislation
and Human Rights derogation
and rolling back 12 years of statutory instruments.
Is there any real blue water between Gordon’s and Dave’s policies?
Voters will want to know this.
Quite Right but don’t get impatient there’s another six months before the election, unless MacSnot falls on his sword. Surely all will be revealed in good time so preventing the Nulabs plagerising their policies.
Vote for the Mistake in 1997 party.
We’ll repeal ALL legislation passed since 1997 then call an election.
Ronald Reagan speech to the House of Commons, 8th June 1982:
“The British people know that, given strong leadership, time, and a little bit of hope, the forces of good ultimately rally and triumph over evil. Here among you is the cradle of self-government, the Mother of Parliaments. Here is the enduring greatness of the British contribution to mankind, the great civilized ideas: individual liberty, representative government, and the rule of law under God……….During the dark days of the Second World War, when this island was incandescent with courage, Winston Churchill exclaimed about Britain’s adversaries, “What kind of people do they think we are?” Well, Britain’s adversaries found out what extraordinary people the British are. But all the democracies paid a terrible price for allowing the dictators to underestimate us. We dare not make that mistake again. So, let us ask ourselves, “What kind of people do we think we are?” And let us answer, “Free people, worthy of freedom and determined not only to remain so but to help others gain their freedom as well…………..For the sake of peace and justice, let us move toward a world in which all people are at last free to determine their own destiny.”
Jeez – what’s all the “cast-iron Dave comments” ?
Does no-one on here understand that with the Czech president signing, then ALL member states have now ratified the Lisbon treaty so it passes into EU law. It is no longer a treaty – there is no referendum to be had. Brown signed it – it’s now enshrined in UK and all other EU member states law !!
Monty Python sketch springs to mind !
Dave hasn’t been in government for the last 12 years, during which Blair gave away our EU rebate for no return and reneged on his promise for a referendum in the his 2005 manifesto. (Don’t mention the GOLD!)
The GE is 7 months or so away, so Dave, the tories, ukip or anyone else you care to name can do sod all about it.
If the tories are elected, the best they can hope for it to declare broon insane and try to repeal the laws that way… Hmmm… could be an option !
Of course there is a referendum to be had you idiot! Only now the referendum becomes in or out of the EUSSR!
Wavey Davey should spend the next 7 months specifying what our relations with the EU will be when we’ve left. At least the Lisbon treaty shows a clear way for a country to withdraw from this wannabe superstate.
This was the LibDums policy when they were afraid to debate the Lisbon Constitution. Wonder if they are still in favour of it?
All we will get is the next GE is the referendum,vote for our Dave and you get your referendum and then bog all will happen as far the EUSSR is concerned.
Less of the “idiot” comment please Osama. I said there can no longer be a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.
Read my final paragraph – your second sentence agrees with it. In, out or shake it all about !
Any future “referendum” cannot be about the Lisbon Treaty – that is now ratified by ALL member states and so is European law.
We could, of course, hold a referendum on withdrawing from the EU, or anything else you like. But not the Lisbon Treaty as it’s been ratified.
Like I said, declare Broon insane and I’m sure the EU would let us off…
In the meantime, The Lisbon Treaty will pass into law for all member states.
With a GE unlikely before next May/June, no-one is getting a referendum and by then Presidento Blair will have made them illegal in all the subordinate states of the EUSSR !
Daves off the hook. He can present the treaty as a done deal and he can do nothing about it. Fair enough. But are you satisfied with that? Or do you want to do something about being railroaded into a federal EU state.Grow a pair before entering the booth next spring.
Point taken “Call a GE NOW”, I withdraw the idiot bit but Cojones below you makes the salient point!
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_rqH4fUbko2U/SvCTDrUZHYI/AAAAAAAAPHo/dJOOwVUxqr4/s1600-h/Britannia.jpg
I HATE THE LABLIBCONS
To be honest the Tories have walked into this and deserve a kicking all around. They SHOULD have had a plan B for this knowing the Irish would probably bottle it this time.
Cameron has two choices.
1. To STILL go ahead with a vote on Lisbon and say that if he gets a no to Lisbon vote he will take that as a mandate to shit stir in Europe at every opportunity.
2. To simply go for a UK out referendum and give his MPs a free line on supporting an in or out vote, after all Europe does offer some limited benefits, but getting out would save us 70 billion a year and we could make our own laws once more.
Cameron really does need to be firm on this, we don’t need another fucking turd sniffer like Bliar or Brown or Mandy.
“Europe does offer some limited benefits”
Can you tell me what these are, given that the WTO now over-rules it in all matters of trade?
and so begins the reign of the thousand year reich
We’re looking for a replacement candidate for El Presidente,after the glorious last stand of Field Marshall Von Blair at Standingrad went down under overwhelming odds,namely Gordons kiss of death,and are willing to consider suitable candidates on their proven ability to unite the various competing volk,in a new lebensraum of 27 riech protectorates.
Your name has been put forward as serious contender,having a proven track record in this field,and we feel sure that the advances in genetic cloning can resurrect your career,providing the Ivans let us have that piece of your cranium that they still possess.
The the last one didn’t last very long.Declare war on the EU next Summer
Nor did the USSR. Have to consider if its worth me voting for UKIP. Do they have any chance in my constituency?
No. But Nick Griffin will be campaigning in Waziristan if you promise not to throw eggs at him.
Gutless tosser, wnuff said ;)
I write books about courage
The Bullingdon boys know a bit about pulling the wool over the eyes of the plebs!
Bullingdon Boy on the front page for rescuing damsel in distress. Even bedwetting, vegetarian, green damsel reckons Ken would be fuck all use in the same situation.
You can’t buy positive publicity like that.
Meanwhile Brown is trashed all over the press for his betrayal of the UK.
Compare and contrast.
Boris is hoping to get his leg over the green bicycle.
Can he ride a bike as well?
Just keep looking at that Bullingdon bottom and pump like fuck.
I’ll say.
Boris isn’t a wimp on Lisbon either
future leadership backons
Dan hannan did well on NN , they are custodians , its spiv chumps like Blair that have twisted it all into , Orwells idea , the only reason Blair has fooled us because it was totallitarian . Blair is now personally asking Merkel and Sarkozy to back him , and we have the words “if they cannot find anyone better ” , pathetic Barroso should be ashamed , imagine the president of the EU being found guilty in a UK enquiry of fraud , Tony blair has done more harm to this country than any leader , he allowed the banks to fail and has now stoked up an immigration problem with his weak policies .
I dont really buy the idea that cameron is a follower of the cult of Blair , although I can see somtimes see he has got used to the post balir era of politics . Brown was on top form with tractor stats today , cleverly bamboozling the press into forgetting it was under his chancellorship it let it go wrong .
meanwhile story on organ grinders monkey , darling isnt hitting the headlines , thats right the goverment now need another £32bn to erm help sell off what we have already bought in the bailout , sounds like a hustle to me and by that i dont mean the disco dance . So where are the government going to get £32bn from ???? Cw thinks its a curious figure , he did not outline what he thought RBS carve up would deliver , nor did he say much about HBOS wich as far as i can tell was about the worst bank ever seen in this country (how did that happen its in an all together different league) , who was making the Toxic assets at HBOS .
That is what so makes CW angry , these toxic debts are clearly hiding some dirty hands and dirty deals , and why John macfall has never raised the matter shows at best poor public service , at worst covering labours tracks .
vince was right about value concernes as the debts are so massive that a 10 yer frame was the only realistic option so as not to cause pension problems .
Whilst CW thinks the ruin is a liar , swindler and a cheat , i did at least think darling explained with some honesty what he was going to do, but he didnt really explain other important bits , quite why he has agreed to deffered bounuses is a joke , tough as prolapsed piles if you ask me .
Just a thought Dave such problems come with the job , just hope you find the right words .
Daniel Hannan on Newsnight with Fraser Nelson.
Well done lads. Paxo was well gutted that he couldn’t get a soundbite out of it.
Hannan still wants a referendum
Nelson doesn’t and doesn’t think Cameron does either
One of them is wrong
Nelson did not say that.
Fraser Nelson’s proposal of an IN/OUT referendum in 5 to 6 years time is exactly the proposal I made up at number 56. Does Fraser read this blog? Or does Cameron? Am I writing the script. LINK HERE.
After Cameron’s gone you mean ? lol I wonder why ?
If Nelson is trailing this as a policy, it must be being discussed by Cameron and Hague.
The banking debacle is the long term result of Thatchers financial setting free of the purveyors of “get in,make a pile,and get out quick” mentality.She probably didn’t envisage it ending this way,so why would Brown.While the tax receipts were flowing in,everybody turned a Nelsonian eye.
I wondered how long it would be before Mrs Thatch got the blame for it all.
Could be time to resurrect my stand up career.
The thing that always struck me about Thatcher was that for a conservative she actually conserved fuck all,and instead smashed every institution that got in her way.
Yeah, it’s definitely time to get gobby again.
At least she owned up to her greatest achievement. New Labour.
Jeez, they’re even retelling some of my old jokes. It can only get better.
I hope we can now see what Cameron was REALLY up to when he formed his new political grouping in Europe.
Highly establishment controlled dialectic democracy is being created in Europe. In almost exactly the same way, and for exactly the same reason, it was artificially created for certain nation states in the past.
It seems the establishment do intend to create some kind of European democracy in the end. They just have to create the red tape, constitution, funding, trappings, and infrastructure first.
Of course the results of this will be even more controlled then our current variety of left-right, divide and rule national sized nonsense. However after a countless amount have died, millions bankrupted and hundreds of thousands tortured, for no worthwhile or morally defensible reason. It will be shown that Cameron was indeed onto something at least long standing, and sort of positive.
How has Cameron managed to be hated by UK Eurosceptics AND EU Europhobes, both calling him untrustworthy . . . and he isn’t even Prime Minister yet.
That’s if you count about 3 UKIP supporters on here getting a bit gobby being unpopular.
If UKIP put up a 3-legged donkey I’m still voting for it.
Cameron = Exposed already.
For someone who claims to be right of the Tories, Guido is doing a great job for sticking up for Dave Cast Iron Cameron.
Tory Stooge, exposed?
Memo to: David Cameron
From: A voter and many many like me
Subject: Are you going to hold true to your promise or are you a lying git like Gordon and Tony ?
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Details:
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Dear David,
No doubt you and your party members read this blog and the associated replies like this one. So good so far.
You once said “If I become prime minister, a Conservative government will hold a referendum on any new European Union treaty that emerges from these negotiations.”
And you went on, to wonder why it was that so many of the British public “don’t believe a word that politicians say when they break their promises so casually”.
The matter is simple. Are you going to hold true to your promise for a referendum on the UK with regards the Lisbon Treaty or are you a lying git like Gordon and Tony ?
If you are a lying git, then you and your party will not be getting my vote nor I assume the votes of millions of other voters. You will let power slip from you and also even if you do make it become PM then power will have slipped to the EU (as from 1st December 2009) anyhow.
Over to you. No weasel words or waffle. A straight answer to this easy question will do.
In your dreams twat boy.
I first met Cameron at Conservative H.Q. on 22/03/2005
I thought him a wind-bag then, fuck all has changed!
Say a big hello to your next PM.
There is no point ranting and venting one’s spleen on D.C.
REMEMBER it is all bloody Brown’s fault for signing Lisbon without a promised referendum. Bliar wants EU President and unelected Brown wants President of the International Monetary Fund, both assisted by unelected Mandleson. If they achieve their aims the World is doomed.
D.C is constrained by the legal ramifications contained within the Lisbon Treaty. He knows 85% (from polls) want this Treaty challenged and a referendum. It is the correct approach that is crucial to moving forward and achieving a positive outcome.
Message to all the Eurosceptics out there- Vote UKIP -Get Labour – You’re stuffed – Endof
Message to GetReal – if Lisbon stands, we are f**ded whoever is ‘in power’ in this country. Some issues are so important that they supercede party politics – maybe not for you, but for many of us! We must have a democratic vote on the EU and our relationship.
And, by the way, I am a lifelong Tory voter – as my many previous posts here and elsewhere will testify.
Wavey Davey, how about a constitutional challenge to the EU Constitution? Has not every public office holder (except MEPs) sworn an oath of allegiance to HMQ? How is this compatible with the EU’s new legal personality? Of course you’ll need to create a proper constitutional court basing its authority on Magna Carta and the Bills of Rights (English and Scottish)
The Sun stays solid behind Cameron and puts the blame for Lisbon solely on Brown and Labour
“THE Sun bows to nobody in its robust stand against a federal European superstate.
It was The Sun that scuppered meddling EU chief Jacques Delors with our famous headline: UP YOURS DELORS
It was The Sun that killed off Labour and Tory plots to scrap the Pound.
It was The Sun that helped bring down the corruption-riddled European Commission.
And it was The Sun that fought inch by inch against the EU Constitution and its blueprint for a fully-fledged, undemocratic regime run behind closed doors by unelected politicians and bureaucrats.
Importantly, it was to Sun readers that David Cameron promised a referendum if that Constitution – and its shabby replacement, the Lisbon Treaty – remained unratified.
So we have more right than most to cast a cool eye over his decision to end that campaign.
But Mr Cameron is right.
Today, the treaty is a fact of life.
Europe can boast it has its own “legal personality”.
So who do we blame for this? Not Mr Cameron, who stuck by his original pledge.
We blame deceitful Labour for welching on their written vow to give us a say.
Instead, they connived to defraud us of a vote and used their majority to ram it through Parliament.
The Sun will never abandon its fight to protect Britain as an independent nation.
But we need to be realistic about the perils we face today.
Thanks to Gordon Brown, Britain is up to its eyes in debt, the Pound is sinking, dole queues are swollen and we face industrial strife on a scale unseen since the Winter of Discontent.
We need strong, unflinching government to see us through these difficult times – and Labour is not fit for the job.
If the Tories win, they must work night and day to get us out of this mess.
They cannot waste precious energy fighting on two fronts.
So we are not prepared to tie David Cameron’s hands just as he is about to take the wheel.
The issue of Europe will not go away.
When we have this debate, we must do so when we are not distracted by the worst economic crisis in living memory.
Meanwhile if we can’t have a referendum now, we can at least have a say on election day.
This government deserves defeat for many reasons.
But for Sun readers, one of the biggest of all will be Labour’s abject act of treachery over Europe.
Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/sun_says/244723/The-Sun-Says.html#ixzz0Vs8xZ9L3
Getting out of the EU would help us out of this mess. It would save us £4bn per year. We would stop subsidising out own competitors within the EU with our own money. Our food prices would drop because food from developing countries would not be subject to tarriffs. It would release 2million jobs currently held by Eastern Europeans to then be taken by recently unemployed Brits. It would reduce the burden of the costs on the state from the children and relatives of these E. European workers. It would free us to focus on trade with growing markets in the East and the Commonwealth rather than declining markets in socialist Europe.
The EU has nothing at all to offer us. It is over-ruled on trade by the WTO. We really can get out now and win all round.
£4 bn. You’re joking. It’s far more.
4bn? ha,ha,ha ….
We’ve just handed another £40bn over to the banks …. we’ve printed 200bn and it looks like that’ll be going up to £225bn.
I wouldn’t get out of bed for £4bn.
Fuck this. Too many people on here are being suckered by the by the media on this or else are NuLab trolls (boo,hiss) or UKIP supporters, albeit that I have much sympathy with the latter.
The plain fact is the NuLab betrayed us when as the government they failed to call the referendum they had promised in the run up the last general election. Pictures of the traitor Gordon Brown cowardly sneaking in to sign the treaty after all the other EU leaders had left the building should be on every front page right now.
Instead the BBC are pinning the ratification scandal on out of office Dave as a diversionary tactic. After all, who would have factored in deceptions such as the Irish voting twice. So much for the EU’s regard for referenda anyway.
Yes, Call me Dave has to come up with a policy on Europe for when the Tories get into office that returns key powers back to Parliament, referendum or not, and regardless of what the Euro-whores think,- including the right to control our own borders properly i.e. the fuck Lisbon option.
Personally, I’d rather we tell the EU to piss off and get out. After all out last referendum was about staying in a ‘common market’ not the creation of the European super state.
Meanwhile its a good day for NuLab to bury bad news i.e.
- Another massive bank bailout by Darling and Brown
- The Kelly report on MPs expenses coming out today.
- Labour now split on Afghanistan.
Well said – there is only one man and party to blame and that is Brown and Labour.
One thing’s for certain if because of people voting UKIP Cameron loses the election or we get a hung parliament – and because of that a Labour Government or a Labour government kept in power by the equally “sell out” LibDems – we will certainly ensure that nothing is done about the matter and that the UK goes further into decline and debt.
The prime objective -whatever the cost or whatever has to be stomached in the short term – is GET RID OF LABOUR. Unless that is achieved nothing else will happen over Lisbon or Europe
Yes, but the need to do something about Lisbon is becoming urgent. If we don’t do something soon we will be done for as a nation. We won’t even be able to campaign against EU membership because it is protected from criticism under the Lisbon treaty.
This isn’t Maastricht with a couple of bells and whistles (although time has shown that Maastricht was far worse than we thought). This is really the end game. We need CMD to get us out of the EU, or the next election will be the last election we ever have that matters. The situation really is that desparate. The EU is urgently trying to get us into a Federal Europe with one EU government NOW before we realise that they have nothing to offer us on trade because they are over-ruled by the WTO and the Euro is coming apart at the seams. They are desparate to get the i’s dotted and the t’s crossed because if they leave it five more years they no they won’t have a better chance. That’s the real urgency – not some nonsense about making it run more smoothly – they could achieve that by simply doing the accounts properly. If we don’t pull out now any future Tory government will be toothless, continually over-ruled by the current Euro equivalent of Peter Mandelson and Neil Kinnock.
Everyone that I know is furious with Cameron, and those who are not furious are laughing at him. Let’s face it, he was more than foolish to say what he said about “cast iron guarantees”, especially without the proviso that it would only be possible if the treaty had not already been ratified! He should have corrected himself months, if not years ago instead of letting his idiotic statement fester in the minds of ordinary voters until he is backed into a wall and can’t escape. The trouble is that he has very little idea how the electorate really think which is reminiscent of a marketing man concentrating on the product instead of the customer target group. Personally I don’t think he is demonstrating much leadership skill. It’s pointless now to start reminding us that Labour signed this treaty and I’m afraid that he is permanently damaged goods and not fit for purpose!
Sign this to change camerons policy
http://www.gopetition.co.uk/online/31851.html
OK, we all want to sail off into the sunset and leave Europe behind (sadly saying goodbye to the UK as well). BUT………….
Can nobody do anything about this? What has happened in this world that we are powerless to do anything except sit and behave like puppets and obey every command that comes from Brussels?
Who is interested in Britain? It would appear that politicians are only interested in their own personal achievements, or the pursuit of them.
Where is David Davis in all this? He is the man who should have led the Conservative Party. What is he going to do? Come on, David (Davis), show us the leadership that we wish to follow and get us out of this black hole.
Get real, we need a new party, the con/lab/Lib are all a busted flush, with thier own agenda for their own individual futures.
We need a peoples party that actually operates on behalf of the people.
name a MP who has left parliment poorer than when they joined the club
It’s quite simple. Britain needs to do what the other European Countries have done for years – only follow or apply those regulations that suit us. From now on make it plain that all any EU bollox is regarded as subordinate to anything Parliament or the UK government decides is in our interests. If they don’t like it we should tell them to piss off and leave with our money. What is the worst they can do? Invade us? Or tell Mandy, Millipede and Blair that their much grovelled for sinecures are on hold…
……..which poses yet again the question:-
WHAT WAS THE REAL REASON FOR DAVID DAVIS’S RESIGNATION?
As Churchill said after Munich:-
“we have sustained a defeat without a war, the consequences of which will travel far with us along our road; they should know that we have passed an awful milestone in our history, when the whole equilibrium of Europe has been deranged, and that the terrible words have for the time being been pronounced against the Western democracies.
“Thou are weighed in the balance and found wanting.”
And do not suppose that this is the end. This is only the beginning of the reckoning. This is only the first sip, the first foretaste of a bitter cup which will be proffered to us year by year unless by a supreme recovery of moral health and martial vigour, we arise again and take our stand for freedom as in the olden time.
Charmingly put Derek.
Camerhoon – you better move fast – there is a massive groundswell out on the street which thinks you look as ass
Well, if it looks like an ass and talks like an ass…
Cast Iron Dave, eh. What a Hoon!!
We need urgently to get a proper PR system for parliamentary elections, so that at last the will of the British people can be represented.
The days of these tweedledum and tweedledee scumbags must come to an end.
As now, even the slowest members of the class must understand there’s no difference between them.
I see that careerist media whore Dale is in hiding again.
Another bluffer, saying one thing and doing another.
Cameron is certain to offer a referendum, but it no longer makes sense to make it about the Lisbon Treaty. If he offered a referendum on a treaty already ratified the socialists would only laugh at him. He will offer the only referendum that now makes sense:-
Fully in the EU (with Schengen and the Euro) vs Fully out of the EU
Remember that offering a referendum itself doesn’t do him any harm at all. Not only would offering a referendum more than fulfill his “cast iron” promise it would comprehensively spike the guns of UKIP. So he will offer a referendum on EU membership. Its the only option he’s got really. If he doesn’t offer a referendum then he will be accused of being as bad a liar as Brown and his own party will turn against him.
Naturally the outcome of a referendum on EU membership will in any case be determined to a large extent by the campaigning beforehand. If CMD comes out in favour of full membership of the United States of Europe with Britain having about as much status in the EU as Ohio does in the US then he will find he has Labour, the Limp Dems and the whole EU apparatus on his side, telling every lie under the sun to scare us into continued entry. That will win him the vote a Europhile would want just as the same tactics won the Lisbon Treaty vote in Ireland. So if CMD is a closet Europhile he can offer a referendum now and still be sure of staying in the EU. After we become full members of the EU he won’t need to worry about the EU-skeptics in the Tory party since Parliament will no longer have any relevance anyway.
However, the fact still remains that there is a strong case for Britain pulling out of the EU:-
1] It costs us billions
2] It causes our food costs to be higher as it puts tarriffs on imported foods from developing countries, and as we are a net importer of food this cost us a fortune.
3] It can no longer set tarriffs for other goods and services because apart from food the world trade organisation has now banned all import tarriffs. So trade in the EU will be wide open whatver the EU itself would like – this is the real reason why getting us signed up to Lisbon is so urgent, because the prime motivator for EU entry has evaporated since the WTO over-ruled it on trade restrictions.
4] It is run by a bunch of former Nazis and former Communists with almost no experience of democracy other than what was forced upon them by the Brits and the Yanks after WWII
5] The countries making up the EU are a bunch of pathetic no-marks with no impact on the wider world except for the export of BMWs (and 50% of those are now designed in the UK)
6] The Euro has been a disaster with those countries with a serious debt crisis now unable to print the money they need to get themselves out of the hole they are in. Several EU countries are now on the brink of revolution as a result.
7] It steals our fish and gives them to the Spanish for free. It is in the process of doing something similar with our oil and gas reserves by claiming they are EU oil and gas reserves and not British oil and gas reserves.
8] It forces us to take laws which we never asked for and were never discussed in a manifesto. ID Cards and the end of the tungsten lightbulb are both the result of EU directives where the government has tried to cover up the source of the legislation by passing their own laws first.
9] We have 2 million jobs given to Eastern Europeans which we desparately need to hand back to our own people but which we can do nothing about while we are members of the EU.
10] It produces staggering amounts of red-tape in an attempt to block Chinese imports by producing regulations on all manner of chemicals used in industry and the disposal of such chemicals. This has had no impact on the Chinese who happily comply promptly with the regulations but makes it more and more difficult for British companies to be competitive on world markets since they are obliged at all times to meet the legislation and employing people to ensure these obligations are met is far more expensive in the UK than it is in China.
“I have before me a piece of paper, signed by Mr Hitler….” and we did fuck all about that one too.
The referendum should now clearly be ‘Are we staying in or pulling out of the EU?’
Same Party, same problem.
Well it didn’t take UKIP long
Maybe they predicted it and planned for it ? Seems more that “hypothetical situation” Dave seems to have done.
Whats new with Dave and his treason?
Tory Form!!
Treaty of Rome
Single European Act
Maastricht.
Heath
Thatcher
Major
Now Cameron.
Surprise surprise I think not.
Don’t put all the Blame on Brown and NuLab.
The Tories have systematically and deliberately sold this country to the fourth reich over many years.
Cameron is just the new incarnation of lying Tory treasonous B…
Where I am, a vote for UKIP is the best thing.
Elsewhere for the B?N?P depending on the party and the chances.
Make the election a referendum on the EU.
I will be volunteering to help UKIP locally for sure.
Over the top and into battle.
The Lib/lab/con must be finished, or Britain will be.
Its 1940 again.
To the shield wall.
A modest proposal:-
1. Dave should announce that, on assuming power, he will immediately call a referendum on the questions of (a) whether we should stay in the EU and (b) whether we believe we have been cheated into Lisbon membership by Brown’s broken referendum promise;
2. Dave wins election by a landslide and keeps his promise. The referendum shows massive disapproval of the EU and its acolytes’ shenanigans;
3. Dave is then the most powerful politician in Europe in demanding re-drafting of the Treaty, citing his enormous democratic mandate. Even the brass neck of Brussels would quail before that.
Nigel speaks a lot of sense. He was against the war in Iraq, and he wants us out of Afghanistan as well. Plus he is going after the new slimey Speaker Bercow(remember the man who was so far to the right Thatcher got Norman Tebbit to close down his student group).
We all knew that Dave was counting on the second Irish referendum and now he is busy back tracking!!!
Snuggles
Do you mean Berkowitz? I think so.
I think Farage will/must win.
If they can tear up Magna Carta, why not Lisbon, the Tories are in it too, and what the fuck is Dannat doing lining up with these traitors, not a word from him I notice, but he has a go at Griffin who will tear up the Trearies, I hope someone has him on their list, my 360 page Jumbo A4 pad is full up.