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Max Clifford says…
“Most people want to read nasty things about people, not nice things.”
DisgustedOfMitcham2 says:
Maybe if they really wanted to “decontaminate the Labour brand” with business people, they shouldn’t have totally buggered up the economy?
Just a thought.
Gives us a vote Dave or it’s UKIP.
About fucking time Dave
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http://little-object-a.blogspot.com/
Cameo is keen to show his credentials as a new type of politician.
He’s a little brittle, lumpen and heavy, worst of all he cracks easily, in his own words on 26 September 2007:
“Today, I will give this cast-iron guarantee: If I become PM a Conservative government will hold a referendum on any EU treaty that emerges from these negotiations.
No treaty should be ratified without consulting the British people in a referendum.”
Really, cast iron guarantee, is that true, or is it one of many lies he has spouted before and since?
Conservitude Cameo, you just can’t trust him.
It’s almost as good as this quote from Gordy The Clown:
“We set up the Financial Services Authority to, you know before we came into power there was a sort of self regulatory system so you know they more or less regulated themselves. We brought in a statutory regulatory system, supervisory system, but of course we couldn’t know exactly what was going on in every individual bank and it’s only in the last few days to be honest that what has happened over this pension has come to light.”
Gordy Brown – ‘Trust’is his middle name….
Cameo’s cast iron guarantee isn’t worth a dog lifting its leg against.
A Labour manifesto isn’t worth a dog lifting its leg against
Give us a vote or it’s a fucking lamp post.
Holborn senior, every time I try to look at your site my computer locks out, shurely shum conspiracy?
Call Me Dave’s cast iron guarantee is just that, ‘Cast Iron’, and some of the finest iron around – as solid as cast iron can possibly be! Well, it may get a little rusty but let’s not be too picky!
It could certainly support all that lovely gold that India bought…..
Wot? Another EU-turn?
http://www.westbournemouthukip.com/content/images/EU-Turn.jpg
Ah MB, We wouldn`t be in this mess if it wasn`t for your chickenshit Political Party you little worm.
I`ve got a noose for you when the time is ready.
call me Dave isn’t a lightweight clone of Blair that’s melted in the sun
that’s a CAST IRON GUARANTEE!
The problem with “cast iron” guarantee is it probably used the cheap shit that New Labour’s Mittal is peddling. So it breaks easily and sinks into oblivion.
enjoying this you sad creep, get a life and a job and stop wasting your giro on internet access to download monkey porn
End of Tory Boom and Bust?
Clearly, you can trust Brown.
Labour just love simple minded individuals like yourself.
If it is done the right way, fire turns cast iron into steel.
Will the fire of vociferous dissent turn Cameron into steel, or will it melt him?
We will wait and see.
Dave, FFS show some spine for once in your privileged little life and give us a fucking referendum, you disingenuous little shit. The wages of Treason are death, matey.
Now come on, he may have broken a cast iron guarantee but at least he has loosely implied that he might do something else (unspecified) later on. What more do you want?
Surely that would be enough to stop you from joining the “closet racist fruitcakes” at UKIP.
Don’t be immature. I bet you don’t even know who are the 550 PPC’s are. You have no idea how many local offices are going to be opened up. You have no idea how much cash is going to UKIP or who the benefactors are. You ain’t seen nothing yet!
Jason, you’re a fucking retard!
Join me, Devil’s Kitchen, Anna Raccoon and many others outside Parliament at 12 Noon on November 5th. Bring cameras.
“He may have broken a cast-iron guarantee” but he MAY do something later on ?….
Where do you get your brains from sonny, the council tip ?
The man cannot be trusted. They’re all the same. Clarke, Heseltine, Maude, Gove – all EU Federalists ! WAKE UP !! Pay attention.
No excuses will be accepted.
I’m a little confused as to why Cameron feels he needs to clarify his cast iron guarantee.
Precisely KP. When is a cast-iron guarantee not a cast-iron guarantee?
When it comes from a politician…..
DC is doing himself, and his party, no favours by wriggling and prevaricating on this subject. If he fails to come up with the goods then much of his credibility will be destroyed, just when he needs all he can get. After 12 disastrous years of NuLiebour we are entitled to better than this, but currently it seems there is no prospect of getting it.
Promise a referendum DC and walk the GE next year. Withold it and pay the price, because you will be seen as being just another lying politician. Stuff the (minority) pro-EU wing of your party – it’s what the majority want and no more than we are entitled to.
Compare:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ZI9ZC-oL5KQ/Su6oDLx4jTI/AAAAAAAAFiQ/8GzeP-eaABc/s1600-h/1_fullsize.jpg
and Contrast:
http://www.westbournemouthukip.com/content/images/EU-Turn.jpg
Sod ‘em all – do you belive for a moment dave, or any of them , have any spine/
Nah, they have ambition and a god given right to to rule matey. the ONLY thing you can do is not vote for any of them. Deny them a mandate, that is the red, white and blue revolution.
None of the above, you know it makes sense.
Cheers.
You little headed moran do you think a brain the size of mine would look at yours.
You Twat
Just vote conservative like a good liitle boy
Watch UKIP now going to be systematically destroyed, before any election is to be allowed. The bastards are carving the crumbs of sovereignty up between themselves.
Lamp posts are too few and too quick. Eternal llife will be the punishment. never, never never be allowed to die, ever, and kept fully conscious for thousands and thousands and thousands of years. No sleep neither. Until paid. Then still no death.
Cast iron lamp posts?
That was quite funny for you. Well done.
Guido Fawkes was hung drawn and quartered, part of which process consisted of witnessing his own intestines being griddled on a brazier.
It began with a procedure along these lines, which involved making an incision in the abdominal area, separating the duodenum from the pylorus, and attaching of the upper part of the intestine to a crank. The crank then would be rotated to extract the intestines from the gastrointestinal cavity of a conscious person, for the purposes of torture.
Mmmmm, you can just smell it.
That was the duly authorised punishment for High Treason for centuries in this country. It certainly ensures wouldbe traitors think twice before engaging in Betrayal.
Steady on Inq, you’ll have that Mark Oaten chap popping up any minute with loose talk like that.
I think Guido Fawkes jumped off the scaffold and killed himself by in the noose before he could witness his intestines being griddled on a brazier. Smart chap.
Fortunately he didn’t. That story has been debunked many times.
Don’t hold your breath, Cameron and the tories are no better than Labour. If you think we live in a democracy, whereby we the people have any real power, you are sadly mistaken.
The only politics we have now is the politics of soundbites and spin. Unles Cameron promises a full referendum on whether Britain should be in the EU at all, followed up with a promise that if we the people vote no, then he will give us a complete withdrawl from the EU, then forget it.
As I say don’t hold your breath, all you’ll get is more vague dribble and no real concreate promises. It’s all spin and how to promise people everything, without having to commit or deliver. It’s answering questions without answering them, that’s modern politics
That is why the majority in this country who are SICK AND TIRED of the corrupt and rabidly ANTI-British political class, should get off their collective arses and GO AND VOTE TO FIRE THE CURRENT BASTARDS!
We ALL have a choice. We ARE getting a say at the general election and the fact is that this will be the LAST CHANCE to have our say, before our nation is utterly consumed by the EU.
SO, before that happens, let’s get a massive, grass-roots campaign up and running to SAVE THIS COUNTRY FROM RULE BY A FOREIGN DICTATORSHIP! Whilst there is still a chance.
Do’nt you believe it. Playing the game now but wait until power comes with a grand majority. There will be a bloodfest of New labours useless record. On the sidelines I would also love to see the BBC sold off and the imposition of a South African style ‘Truth Commission’to look into all Nulabour maladministration, lies and patronage. Jaqui Smith will need more than a head makeover.
dream on mate
Cameron will give you more EU, more immigrants and more Bl… PC.
Thats just for starters.
Many Tories seem in total denial.
They are just as deluded and stupid as the uneducated mass who would go along and vote labour whilst it kicked them where it hurt.
At least many of these Labour ‘loyalists’have seen the light. It seems many Tories are thicker than the thick if they can whitter on about trusting Shameron.
Indeed.
They do not realise that there is fuck all Cameron can do to “reclaim” powers from the EU once Lisbon goes through.
The tories talked tough about the EU last time and still signed us up to Maastricht without a referendum. Who can prove that they will be any different in power next time?
Now that Lisbon removes any possibility of the need for a referendum, Cameron promises them on every OTHER treaty that may be forthcoming.
AHA, but get this, the Lisbon treaty is self amending, which means that there will NEVER BE another treaty.
Whatever powers the EU dark overlords requires can be added as an amendment to the already in-force Lisbon treaty and NO re-ratification will be needed!!!
So to be fair to the treasonous Europhiles, Lisbon can be changed after ratification. Indeed that is the whole point of it. BUT, it will NEVER be changed to give powers BACK to nation states, when the future direction of the EU is dedicated to eradicating the nation state completely.
UKIP are about to gain a hell of a lot of new members!
And I will be one Mr Ned.
What Ted Heath started in 1972, Call Me Dave has finished in 2009 !
It took 37 years. A short time for the 4th. Reich to take power, again !
Democracy? If you think we still live in a democracy you better study this video, perhaps you will understand what is coming next!
+1
So the Battle for Britain is on! bring on Sir Keith Park you will find him on the 4th plinth Trafalgar Square. Let us hope he is well screwed down so the idiots can’t move him to Waterloo Square.
Ditto.
Give me a vote on the EU or I vote UKIP all the way, and encourage EVERYONE else to do the same.
What is the point in choosing between a blue and a red EU puppet?
The real choice is between the EU swallowing this entire nation, breaking it up into regions leaving us ruled by a de facto dictatorship? Or voting FOR this nation to continue to exist and become a wholly independent, free nation once more.
So do we vote for democracy, or dictatorship?
UKIP for a democratic future.
OH, FFS, 3% of you can vote for a ‘democratic’future, meanwhile the more realistic among us , will concentrate on getting rid of brown, before he completely destroys the country.
Its like dealing with 5 year olds, dealing with ukippers , if they can’t get all the sweeties now, this minute, they’re going to scweem & scweem.
You can support treason any way you like, but the numbers speak for themselves.
The VAST majority in this country would stay in the EU of 5 years ago.
Given a choice between ALL the way in to a European dictatorship lead by Blair et al, and all the way out though, they will massively choose OUT!
Calling me and other patriotic people names, WILL NOT CHANGE THAT FACT.
22% of the electorate gave labour a 66 seat majority.
40% DID NOT EVEN VOTE
the reason being, they did not see the point.
LISBON changes that, as we waken to the realisation that the next general election will be the LAST CHANCE to save our country from total eradication as an independent nation by a European dictatorship.
3%?
YOU FUCKING WISH!!!
Backwoodsman: Yes, get rid of Gordon Clown ! And then Call Me Dave, and then Legover Clegg.
Then, we start AGAIN !
Don’t knock UKIP – they could be YOUR Saviours !
Yes. I hate the UKIPs, but the Europe issue must be resolved democratically. If it’s pointless to have a referendum on a ratified Lisbon treaty, give us an In/Out referendum. If not, then despite being a lifelong Tory [look at all my other posts here and elsewhere (BenBrogan, ConHome, PoliticsHome etc) if you think I'm a UKIP troll] I will vote UKIP to let Cameron know how strongly people feel on this issue. The NuLab hoons let us down (surprise, surprise), the LimpDems always let everyone down; please, DC, do not join their treacherous band?!
Ian e is absolutely right. This is not a tantrum as backwoodsman portrays it but the only reasonable reponse to the breakdown in trust engendered by Call Me Cast Iron Dave’s betrayal of his own promise. He LIED; If he can lie about a clear unequivocal pledge why can he be trusted in any putative manifesto promise?
This is the only LOGICAL response to realising that our nation is about to be finally eliminated as an independent state.
The old, pre-Lisbon EU served this nation. The new post-Lisbon EU will devour this nation.
We MUST have a say in this.
Grant us a referendum, OR we will turn the general election into our promised referendum. END OF!
Ian e: Don’t hate what you haven’t tried !
Voting UKIP in a general election is a waste, they have about as much chance of winning a seat as the Monster Raving Loonies. You may as well not bother turning out.
The Euro elections are a different matter, however.
Well certainly, if everyone carries that attitude as you do.
Gooey Blob: If UKIP had the only life boat,, and you were on the Titanic,
would you really be so daft as to tell them to fuck off ?
I would have loved there to be a vote but what’s the point.
Now the Czechs have been paid-off, it’s a done deal. We may as well have a vote on the Munich Agreement for all the difference it will make.
It’s Brown that is the culprit here for going back an a manifesto promise not Cameron.
Did you know that you represent the clear MAJORITY view in this country?
Did you know that IF you, and all the others who feel like you, voted against the mainstream, then the labour party and the tory party would be WIPED OUT!
1) 22% of the electorate gave labour a 66 seat majority.
2) 40% did not vote
3) ALL politicians are trusted far less now than in 2005.
Imagine what the current 60% of pissed off electorate could do, just once, if we all agreed to actually get off our arses, just ONCE and simply put a little cross on a piece of paper.
There are many more of us than there are labour and tory voters COMBINED!
Do not give up. We CAN take our country back and take it back EASILY.
All it will take is a single, one-off, temporary vote for UKIP, or the B&P next May.
They can give us our country back, then we can return to arguing about who can run THIS COUNTRY better., labour tory or liberal, or green or monster raving loony or whomever.
If we fail, If we do not get out and vote, then we will have given away our country forever. We will have pissed on our war-dead and we will never ever deserve to be forgiven.
Get out and VOTE, get EVERYONE who feels the same to get out and vote. That is the ONLY WAY to take our country back. This is a one-time, one off, single offer deal. Take it or lose it forever.
ALL that is required is ONE simple, easy, painless vote.
LET’S DO THIS, FOR OUR NATION REALLY IS AT STAKE!!!
“Temporary vote” reminds me of the NUM pre-Scargill. Each year a President was voted in, who had absolute powers. As soon as Scargill got in he abolished this pesky annual nuisance and decreed the Presidents post is for life, as he could do with those powers. It was just a happy co-incidence that it happened on his watch, natch, and nothing temporary about it at all.
So you prefer to be ruled over by a dictator, you treasonous traitor.
If you live the EU so much, fuck off to France!
They’ll rig the results if UKIP win.
It’s over – the tentacles of this evil have infested everything and nothing, bar a bloody civil war will change this fact.
Mr. Ned: Either Prime Minister, or Chancellor – I’d vote for you!
So much commonsense, it makes me swoon !
What is there to clarify?
Cameron gave a cast iron guarantee that he would hold a euro referendum, how could that be any clearer?
Surely it was quantified by ‘if the Lisbon Treaty had not already been approved’
No it was not quantified. It was a cast iron gurantee from dave of a referendum come what may.
And yes he can hold a referendum even if the treaty is ratified. Quite what the Germans and French would do is another matter.
Don’t forget flim flam man Dan Hannan MEP South East, Conservitude (safest seat in the land).
Is he cast iron?
Or just lumpen and thick?
Dan squirms, watch Dan squirm, Dan is squirming, no, no Dan is squealing.
Yes of course it was – but that next part opf what he said has been forgotten.
To quote MB..
“Today, I will give this cast-iron guarantee: If I become PM a Conservative government will hold a referendum on any EU treaty that emerges from these negotiations.
No treaty should be ratified without consulting the British people in a referendum.”
Now..please read it and try to understand.
The salient points are..”If I become PM”..and…”No treaty should be ratified without consulting the British people in a referendum”
1..He’s not bloody PM
2..The poxy Treaty has already been ratifed by Snotgobbler..without the fucking referendum HE promised.
Then WE should hold the referendum anyway.
Use the general election to SAVE THIS COUNTRY!
IT’S TOO FUCKING LATE!!!!
BROWN HAS SOLD US DOWN THE FUCKING RIVER ALREADY!!!!
Don’t forget that crumpets are tastier when toasted.
So ‘cast iron guarantee’Cameo has can’t keep his promises?
Ready for small change!
Master Baiter is impervious to that. He probably voted this shower in so we cvan’t expect too much.
The whole statement from Dave is here.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/eu_referendum/article273758.ece
It makes no difference if the treaty is signed or Not. dave is commited to a referendum on the treaty and Dave will not turn. dave will honour his cast iron guarantee. I trust dave.
Not a squeak about it in The Sun today.
Funny that Mr Murdoch
2007 that was, he had a big shit since then and crapped his honour and guts out.
Just like all the rest cambodian is, full of wind and piss.
yadder yadder yadder, promise, honesty, straight talking.
What a Huhne.
Vote UKIP for the win, dave turned once too often.
The Sun are full of shit as usual!
Mr Cameron gave voters an “iron-clad” promise in 2007 that a Conservative government would hold a popular vote on Lisbon.
And, in May this year, he said: “A progressive reform agenda demands that we redistribute power from the EU to Britain and from judges to the people. We will therefore hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6488240/David-Cameron-to-tell-voters-no-vote-on-Lisbon-Treaty.html
There you go, Dave is not for turning. Dave WILL hold a referendum he has said so and given his personal cast iron guarantee.
I trust Dave.
A vote on what, the Lisbon treaty is self amending, there is no more votes to be had. That is, unless the Conservatives propose and in-or-out of Europe vote, which would stuff New Labour AND UKIP at the general election.
Dave is just dropping his trousers he has told the EU they can fuck him and the country up the arse all day long – no need to use the vaseline. Last straw for me UKIP it is.
People don’t think of voting UKIP – they vote UKIP without thinking!
People dont listen to twats like you who talk right out of their anal orifices either.
Sick to the back teeth of left right and fuckeyed centre politics, we want a say in our own future, none of the “main” parties seem to want to listen so fuck em.
Vote UKIP!
Wrong, there have been many years of thought and research and hard work gone into my decision to vote UKIP.
Hundreds of hours studying many EU treaties have led to that decision
hundreds of hours studying the world banking system have led to that decision
Hundreds of hours of studying history have led to that decision.
It is these hours of research that taught me to recognise treason when I see it, and I see a lot of it on a Continental scale.
Mr Ned, from your extensive studies of the matter, you will know that in the UK we have a record of not having very many referenda. I believe this is because we have a system in which Parliament has primacy.
In Switzerland they have avoided being swallowed by the EU through their system of frequent referenda, which can be triggered by a large enough number of voters petitioning to have one.
There is little doubt that if we had access to more referenda many of the excesses of the current government could have been curtailed.
I believe it is also true that many people share the view that our parliamentary process has been degraded by the over centralisation of government, the tyrrany of the party system and the squalid self interest of the current generation of MPs.
I doubt whether it is possible for UKIP to sweep the board at the next election, but I hope that we can persuade the electorate that we need to totally reform our system of government which is broken and unfitted for the 21st century.
To protect the people from the delusions of grandeur of the political class, we need a system that empowers the electorate to obtain a binding referendum if a large enough number feel that we are going down a wrong track.
It is not just the EU where this parliament has failed.
Referenda should be ours by right on any subject where sufficient support can be gathered.
The use of blogs to obtain support for citizens’rights should not be underestimated.
WRONG, Pat !
The UKIP members, AND VOTERS, know exactly what they’re doing !
Trying to save our country from the traitors !
My constituency has a labour majority of about 2000, it’s a seat the tories can definitely aim for…
Screw us on this Dave and I’m voting UKIP. And i’ll try to get everyone i know to. I know UKIP won’t win, I know I won’t get many to vote for them, but it might just be enough to stop one tory mp from getting i.
you’ve been warned, “heir to blair”
Go after the non-voters. MOST of them do not vote, because they feel that the tories and labour parties do not speak for them, largely because they actually don’t.
Let them know that by voting, they can actually sack most of the labour and tory MP’s then they start to listen.
We outnumber tories and labour supporters combined!
Yes we R fucked and the dozy Czech Huhne is signing. I’m off to fuck sam before Gordon raises Tax on bonking
YOU WILL NOT GET A REFERENDUM, CAMERON IS FULL OF
SHIT JUST LIKE BLAIR AND BROWN.YOU WERE NEVER GOING
TO GET A REFERENDUM. ALL THIS BOLLOKS ABOUT CAST IRON
GARENTEES FROM ANY OF THE MAIN PARTIES IS AND ALWAYS WAS
FUCK ALL BUT SPIN ( BASTARDS )
It is illegal for Cameron to have an referendum AFTER it is ratified.
The treaty states that no nation can undermine the foreign policy. To vote for the removal of the foreign policy ability is undermining the foreign policy.
Everyone knows Cameron’s statement was dealing with the future. “No treaty should be ratified without consulting the British people in a referendum.”
ONCE IT IS DONE IT IS OVER. There is no going back.
The choices are IN or OUT. Now OUT takes 2 years and the EU will have the right to pass laws weekly to ruin the country. It is OVER.
Labour sold you.
exeng,
you are talking complete and utter bullshit.
the EU constitution cannot be legally enforced on the British mainland until it has been voted on by the British people. Sovereignty lies with us, not Parliament.
don’t know much about British politics do you you fucking dullard.
next.
But we have agreed to its terms. Before it we could leave any day with no problems. Now we have to sit for 2 years while they fine us for every infringement they like.
The only illegal act was the signature on the treaty. But the dirty deed is done.
Read it: the Queen is named at the top.
If it was not true, then I suggest she is actually the only one to solve this issue before it is ratified. It was done in her name.
Jesus H Christ,tat..it’s you that needs to study politics.
You,and every other voter,give Parliament the authority to pass laws,enter into Treaties and run the Country,when we have a GE.We give them that mandate precisely to avoid chaos.
If we didn’t there’d be a fucking referendum every day on something or other.
And if you say ‘only for EU matters’,you’re talking out of your arse.
You’re wrong. That which guarantees that the power lies with us, the people, not the government is a little thing called our constitution. That has just been torn up and pissed on! EU law now takes primacy, the Lisbon Treaty IS the EU constution; a nation cannot have two constitutions, you work it out!
What have millions fought and died for? To let a tin pot fuckwit like Blair/
Brown/Cameron shaft us, they deserve to burn in hell for their treason, BASTARDS!!!
UKIP, and get our country back!!!
no exeng, we the people have not agreed to those terms.
those terms have never been placed before us to decide upon.
the fact that we voted in politicians who sold us down the river does not change the fact that those traitors had no authority to sign their unconstitutional treaties as the Sovereignty of Parliament lies with the people, the voters, not the tenants, the politicians.
if they wish to strip us of that Sovereignty then they will have to directly ask us and not try to sneak it through like thieves in the night without our permission. if they do we will chop their heads off or hang them.
and when the politicians ask us if they can sell our Sovereignty for nothing to a foreign power then we will say no.
you see we seem to have reached an impasse. I will defend this country and its constitution with my life. you are a coward and so you would not.
we know how to deal with traitors like you exeng.
expect no mercy. you don’t deserve any you fucking dog.
ExEng,
That is complete crap.
We can do what we want.
Panicking like a school kid and stamping your feet will not win this issue.
Ask your yourself if it is not legal why did they pay so much money to make it happen. If it is just a gentlemen’s agreement why bother having Article 50 or 51. Why do it at all? Was it just an ego trip.
No, it was a huge power takeover and the UK fell, bribed by those that will be our leaders soon. Someone in this country voted in Blair and it was not me. All those that did please step forward.
I was under the impression that no Parliament can bind its successors ?
ur so rite mate
Then we march on brussels and destroy them.
We’ll probably need wellies.
The constitution says that one parliament cannot bind another, it also says that sovereignty cannot be ceded to a foreign power. funny how that twat Blair repealed parts of the treason felony act which would have seen his EU fucked arse thrown into the deepest, darkest hole in all of England!
Why do you think we only read pro EU stories in the press? Why do you think we were never asked our opinion? Perhaps because they know what the answer would be?!
Wake up and do something about this, join and vote for UKIP now ang get our country back. If you have freinds/family whom have fought and died tom preserve democracy yet still do nothing about this act of treachery, then you may as well piss on the Whitehall Cenotaph on Sunday, then dig yourself a hole and crawl into it.
If the EU is so brill then why not sell it to us and allow a referendum anyway ???
Time to move on from the decrepit, corrupt cesspit that is the EU.
The Tories’grip on my vote is already tenuous at best, so Cameron had better include some sort of referendum in his “clarification” (specifying both the date and question) otherwise it is definitely going elsewhere.
And this is from a previously staunch Tory voter.
No Chance
No vote on the EU= no vote for the tories
I’ll clarify it in 2 words – we’re fucked.
Right, I’ve stopped dithering and got off of the fence and made a decision.
“Cameron on brink of dropping referendum promise over Lisbon treaty”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6900270.ece
But I will make some woolly promise about being tough with the EU.
So there you go, you can have NuLabour or BluLabour.
A choice between a blue or red EU puppet?
FUCK THAT!
UKIP for a landslide victory please.
We, the pissed off UK electorate, OUTNUMBER tories and labour combined.
so what are we going to do, to save our country?
Our grandfathers and great grandfathers fought and died in the trenches, to provide us with this choice.
Do we GET OUT AND VOTE? or sit on our arses and let our valiant, brave war heroes rot for nothing?
Save our country.
UKIP again for me.
Apparently climate change is now a religion and you can sue your employer over it.
“A man has been told he can take his employer to tribunal on the grounds he was unfairly dismissed because of his views on climate change.”
“His solicitor, Shah Qureshi, said: “Essentially what the judgement says is that a belief in man-made climate change and the alleged resulting moral imperative is capable of being a philosophical belief and is therefore protected by the 2003 religion or belief regulations.”
“Mr Nicholson was given permission in March to make his claim under the Employment Equality (Religion and Belief) Regulations 2003 that covers “any religion, religious belief, or philosophical belief”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/oxfordshire/8339652.stm
It IS a religion – just like all the others based on faith without evidence. These guys worship a few trees and an ice cave.
Perhaps you’d be so kind as to explain why the snow on Kilimanjaro will all be gone by 2020.
I can’t explain easily…. but WUWT will give it a good shot
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/02/oh-no-not-this-kilimanjaro-rubbish-again/
Hot or What;
Probably because the Sun’s getting hotter !
Unless your cow is farting too much !
Agreed fuck all the socialist scum and that includes Blue Labour and the national socialist bneep. Huhnes all.
I decided to vote UKIP about 6 months ago,I could see where this was leading then, I stopped trusting Dave when he played lip service to cleaning up expenses although I know they are all at it, we have to vote for someone and I figured we might as well have the added bonus of leaving the EUSSR. God what has this once great Country come to, I just feel so betrayed.
He’ll do fcuk-all.
I don’t understand why Cameron is being criticised for not holding a referendum if elected – he can’t can he? The treaty will be ratified and he can’t hold one after the event. The real damage has been done by Labour who promised us a referendum then for some mysterious reason (money? promises of Presidency?) decided not to bother. All we get out of it is a picture of our spineless unelected PM signing on his own because in his mind signing on his own is better than signing in a group (as opposed to not signing the thing as promised).
It beggars belief.
Quite
I think posters 1 to 5 have the typical IQ of a UKIP voter.
And you have the IQ of the rest of the spineless morons.
You make my case admirably.
Just to raise the bar a little – please advise what the point of a referendum would be when the ‘Treaty’would be baked into the constitution and ALL other member states would have to agree to reopen the discussion.
We would just be tilting at windmills.
I would respect your viewpoint more if you argued for a referendum on whether we should stay in or leave.
Dave would have the power to call that .
It’s not just traumatised tories that are going to vote UKIP. There are some fed up labour types who won’t vote tory, don’t trust the BNP, and are starting to think UKIP.
But he WON’T, so we, the pissed off majority, will have to have that referendum anyway.
Vote UKIP or B&P or Independent, so long as the candidate will defend THIS nation and promise to restore our independence and freedom.
balls
parliament remains sovereign and no parliament can bind its successors. we can hold a referendum and then remove britain from any treaty we like since any act of parliament can be repealed. no ifs, no buts.
learn a bit of constitutional law before insulting people. and btw “the typical IQ of a UKIP voter” – you mean by that higher than average and open-minded, unlike labour/tory voters?
rocknrolla
Sorry for the dealy in replying – lunch and all that
Have another look at the constitutional facts – the point I’m making is that the reality of the situation is that the in or out question is the only one that makes sense. Once the Lisbon Treaty (aka The Constitution) is baked into the other EU Treaties then we are F….D.
I’m no fan of the EU and, whilst a Tory, less than impressed with Dave, but my point regarding UKIP voters and IQ is predicated on the fact that the next Government is faced with the biggest economic pills up since Adam was a lad and, given that, voting for UKIP seems (to me at any rate) a little odd.
Who actually gives a flying fuck what the eu say?
They DO NOT RULE THE ENGLISH!! We wernt consulted on anything! Brown the fat prick singlehandedly sold our sovereignty to a bunch of his mates for a monetary reward.
Judas!
If Davey wavey thinks he can just trip along into drowning street and renege on what he said then he’s got another thing coming, just like the all those other Huhnes in euroland who think they can tell us what to do.
They can fuck orf, we dont need them, they need us.
If they wont take NON! for an answer then they can reap the whirlwind of what the uk public will do to them.
Its warming up nicely.
To: It’s all Balls:
Call Me Dave won’t have a Referendum on In or OUT of the EU. D’you know why?
Cos he’s a DEDICATED EU FEDERALIST, along with Clarke, Heseltine, Maude, Gove and The Rest !!
Too late for the Trio of Traitors! They’ve all been found out !
See what the electorate think, come the GE !
I am going to vote UKIP after many years of voting Conservative.
I have an exceptional education & I am in complete control of all my faculties.
DC promised a referendum – he gave a “cast iron guarantee” – which he is about to break.
Only low IQ hoons like you would vote for an appeasing Euro liar like Cameron.
UKIP for me – & for a large percentage of real Conservatives too.
Well said.
Now get out and encourage EVERYONE to do the same.
We pissed off members of the electorate outnumber tories and labour combined!
Let’s not be non-voters, just because the so-called mainstream parties have cynically betrayed and abandoned US.
That should spur us on further to recruit ever more people to VOTE THE BASTARDS OUT!
Agreed, Mrs. I think Cameron is just angling for a future position at the Eurotrough. I shall not be voting Conservative again.
So we should put Party above country and walk shamed and cowardly into that dark night. Better to have Cameron as Prime Minister in a profoundly anti-democratic EU led by a de facto dictator, than honour the massive sacrifice of our parents, grand parents and great grand parents to defend this sovereign Isle from foreign control?
If David Cameron behaves like a traitor than I shall call him on that.
Being a conservative by heart, I believe in truth, honesty, integrity and being straight with the people.
I cannot stand by and allow treason to occur on this Island without acting upon it.
We get our promised vote (even if that means a withdrawal from the EU) or I use my vote at the general election and shall help and support ANY and ALL grass-roots campaign to encourage ALL Britons who care about this nation to do the same to RID us of the corrupt, treasonous MPs, whatever party they are member of.
If I was so angered by the failure of politicians to act in the interests of this country that I felt like saying something like…
“Let’s march to London and just take Parliament back into the hands of the people”
I wouldn’t dare say it on this blog or in any public place.
Yes Yes Yes
I would……. MARCH ON TO PARLIAMENT AND BURN THE BASTARDS OUT!
Why cant we have a referendum regardless of the ratification or not? please explain
You have been told. Now just get on with it.
Because Gordon’s who is PM and signed the bloody thing has denied us one. Remember it was Gordon not Cameron, I’ll repeat, it was Gordon not Cameron.
Once Cameron’s PM, he’ll have to come up with Plan B. He can’t announce what that Plan B is as Gordon and the EU have another 6 months to block it.
Well, you MIGHT very well be correct. I shall reserve judgement, but in the meantime I shall be working tirelessly to get ALL the pissed off people who are not represented by the PRO-EU dictatorship to vote against staying in the EU dictatorship.
Cameron could gain a massive amount of votes by announcing just such a referendum before the election, but unless he signs a legally binding notice of intent to call such an in-or-out referendum, I shall be still supporting a vote for UKIP. I do not trust a mere “promise” of a referendum to be held after an election.
I used to be in favour of a “this far and no further” policy on the EU, I would always have voted to stay in the EU, so long as we did not give more sovereignty away.
Now it looks like that option dies as Lisbon comes into force on Dec 1st 2009. Lisbon changes EVERYTHING!
The real and only choice facing us is now between ALL the way IN, meaning total integration of everything into the de facto dictatorship of the EU, OR All the way out to become a free and independent democratically accountable country once more.
IF the ONLY way to get us out of the EU is to vote UKIP, or B&P, then so be it.
I shall do the Conservative Party the courtesy of awaiting Cameron’s decision. BUT I shall not hold my breath!
If you had any understanding regarding the fundamental changes that Lisbon holds for our sovereignty you would not be making such a tit of yourself in front of people who do know the travesty that is Lisbon.
And our forefathers & mothers died fighting European tyranny for this?
Yes we can. Do not listen to the lies of the europhiles.
EW can simply leave: there is no protocol within any EU treaties or “Law” at all, about a part of the EU leaving it – just like the Roman Empire. So it’s simple, we’ll just go, and they’ll have to come after us if they can, which they can’t, and won’t.
We’ll not close their Embassy, for they’ll still be falling over themselves to sell stuff to us. And we owe them so much mmoney all the time for BMWs and Mercs and pork and stuff, that they won’t dare trash us.
And when the Euro is bogpaper, we’ll just go and buy them.
Iibpn – (6) – it seems that you, with many others, assume that once it is ratified, we are unable to do anything to regain our freedom.
If any politician tries to even imply that I am a subject of the EU, I might be inclined to exercise my moral duty to fight for the freedoms that the political classes feel empowered to deny me.
I think that Cameron, et al, are wise enough to understand that there are some things ‘up with which (we) will not put”!
If they are not wise enough to understand it, there are dark days ahead.
I feel as though they are goading us just to find out how far we will let them go.
Hint: Not much fucking further!
well I don’t believe that for a minute – not you personally but the British generally – we are the most tolerant (or stupid?) people about. Look at what we have endured over the last few years – wars, expenses, economy, welfare state, unelected PM and we have done sod all.
I am minded to march now I am so pi**ed off but it is raining.
At some point there will be “the final straw” and the placid plodding Brits will kick out and it won’t be a tentative little prod but a kick that will knock the stuffing out of the politicos.
Jesus fucking christ
You’re all forgetting one thing,
See post 31 on the same lines.
Of course he can hold a referendum. There is nothing whatsover to stop him as leader of the UK. Not one european comisioner can stop him. The only thing that will stop him is that he is a europhile.
Britain can hold any referendum on anything it pleases.
And what will it achieve other than ‘in or out’of the EU.
As I understand it,under Lisbon we cannot even do that..we have to ask the EU’s permission to leave..and they’d fuck us up for all time if we did that.
And how would they do that? Get together an EU army? Stop trading with us? I don’t believe any of that would happen. And if it did, maybe it’s time to fight. Better to die on our feet than live on our knees. Live free or die.
Amen
Oh Christ!..that’s all we need..a call to arms.Except,of course,this poxy Government hates the military and has left it emasculated.
Under Lisbon,which BROWN ratified,we cannot re negotiate the treaty.
All we can do is leave the EU..if they grant us permission.That permission would result in penalties for ‘breach of contract’that we simply cannot afford.
What are you going to fight with??….Cucumber sandwiches at 10 paces????
“If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.” Wnston Churchill
Ever wondered why our army is kept in Afghanistan with no real objective, poor kit and no clue or direction from the political class? ever wondered why year on year, less is spent on defence? Its tactics, remove the enemy’s ability to defend itself.
“We the British people will renege on the treaty. It was signed by an idiot pretender with no authority to sign away our sovereign rights without consulting the people
If you want to make us stick to the terms of the treaty – then you will have to come and fight us.”
2nd
3rd
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.
4th
Lock and LOAD! MOTHERFUCKERS!!!!
Target aquired- Fire when ready!
Just like the EU forces are doing in Afghanistan I take it!!
With you Billy.
ALAN ATKINSON! (that’s British for allah ackbar)
Hold the referendum even if nothing can be done to the treaty.
The massive no vote can be used as a hammer to bang at the EU.
What you mean is ‘hold an opinion poll’… and then what?
If that’s what you call it fine but your semantics are merely a diversion.
Truth is it would be an official ballot of the whole electorate. Their wishes would be formalised.
If you accept that the Lisbon treaty once ratified cannot be renounced, Cameron would then be in a position to take a mandate (assuming the vote was indeed no to lisbon), to the EU and renegotiate.
Their response would be interesting – a failure to move would show their true intention and invite more a more robust response.
Mind you if it was up to me, a no vote in the referendum would mean simply withdrawal of recognition of treaty Brown had no authority to sign.
If the EU was in favour of democracy it would delay the ratification of the treaty until the British had an opportunity to vote in the referendum we were promised.
Do you hear that silence?
Can the law not be used to prosecute brown and the rest of his pack of ratbastard traitors for treason?
Failing that, can we just hang the bastard or kick his good eye out?
TREASON? IMPEACHMENT? Surely, something like that – FOR THE LOT OF THEM !
I have no intention of letting the British people have a say on the EU.
I’m not even a Conservative – I am a communitarian, just like my friend Tony.
Come on, come on Dave….
We need that re-negotiation vote. It’s a no brainer for a man who grew up watching the Tory party break-up thanks to a few Euro zealots at the top.
Have the vote ‘continue as is or re-negotiate’and that will kill the issue for the Tories once and for all. Handy thing, democracy.
http://www.eu-norway.org/eu/
Norway shows us the way….
From the Tax Payers’Alliance.
http://www.greateudebate.com/order/
Cameron was never going to stand in the way of the EU
The British people have been totally suckered. Cameron dangled the referendum carrot, then snatched it away when he knew it wouldn’t make a damn difference anymore.
So whose effigy will burn on your November 5th bonfiire night?
I suggest all of them actually, Broon, Bliar, Mandelson, Cameron, Hague, Clarke, Clegg, Cable. All of the fekkers should burn in hell
Cameron’s problem is that what he really needs to quiet he Party is not a vote on the detailed half-changes in the Lisbon Treaty; but a vote on leaving the EU. But if there is such a vote, Cameron will have to lead the No campaign and is likely to lose. It is a hell of a corner for a man with the next general election his to lose.
You’re right of course, but only for someone who sees the HoC and public office as a career and an opportunity to suck on the public tit. For anyone with an ounce of patriotism, it’s a total no-brainer.
Event: Labour government ratifies treaty without referendum
Response: Vote UKIP
Consequence: Hung parliament, Europhile Lib/Lab pact
Nope, really can’t work that one out……….
that is because you are too dim to work it out rexel.
go boast about what a fucking ignorant c’unt you are to someone else.
we’re not interested.
cheerio.
So, I have to vote for Blue Labour to get Red Labour out?
Ridiculous.
The politics of fear are the tactics of the left wing – which is probably why Tories like you are engaged in them constantly.
Real Conservatives will vote UKIP in droves – & hang the consequences.
i am not giving “call me Dave” a mandate on broken “cast iron guarantees” & appeasement.
Now sod off, you Euro-Hoon
totally agree with you.
whilst cameron might not be totally pleasing the arch-eurosceptics he is also not pleasing those who want immediate tax reductionsor grammar schools or an end to free nhs or many other ideas that some tory voters would like.
i would love the uk to be out of the EU but there are massive practical issues that have to be dealt with and probably more pressing issues fixing the rest of the country first such as the delinquent benefit class.
the fact is that with cameron you are going to get a eurosceptic leader and party – maybe not perfectly but it is better than a pro-european labour or lib-lab government which is precisely what all of you tw@ts saying that you will vote for ukip will saddle us all with as a result.
Dr Kelly, while we are totally subservient to the EU (a fact Dave will continue to allow) we cannot solve our national problems. The EU leaches untold billions of us to fund the lifestyles of the Kinnock, Mandelscums, and God help us if it ever happens, President and First Lady (puke) Bliar.
I am voting for my conscience – Cameron is as much a part of the EU sell out as the rest, he just bullhshits more that his tough on the EU.
Must be very hard to type whilst eyes are swivelling and mouth is foaming, but hopefully you recognise yourselves for what you are: Brown’s last chance to stay in power.
Turning so vehemently on fellow Eurosceptics such as myself, for having the temerity to question whether a Lib/Lab government over the next five years would be in our best interest, reveals the paucity of your argument.
By all means, if Cameron fails to loosen the EU ties over the next five years, then run the risk of letting the socilaists back in by expressing your protest at the ballot box. But not now for all our sakes.
More Blue Labour insults from the Euro appeasing Conservative Party.
Whats next, give McBride a job?
Hoon.
you will be hanged traitor.
your treachery is on the record for all to see.
you fucking dog.
oh gawd, I didn’t mean you mrs righty right wing, I meant ofcourse that traitor rexel the turncoat.
You got it.
Rexel’s right… 2007 Brown saw the economy figures coming up and knew the GE was lost, so Mandy/Labour said mitigate the effects — go for a Lib/Lab pact, but first we’d need a hung parliament.
How do we do that? Easy peasy — divi up the Tory vote with UKIP. How do we do that — ratify Lisbon and hang on like grim death until it’s done and dusted, I’ll watch your back. Then when the sheople realize what’s by now a fait acomplie get the BBC and media to pester Cameron about what he’s going to do about it and make him the fall guy.
I beg you all +++DON’T FALL FOR IT!+++
shut up suzie you EU tory whore. suck the cock of the EU suzy suck it good.
Is that all you’ve got tat? Insults (and very misogynist ones at that).
I know you are Guido’s house gimp, but you test our tolerance at times.
lick it bitch, suck that EU cock real good.
and swallow.
The alternative is another 5 years of same old same old.
We need a shake up, a proper one, not the hint of one from cycling hug a hoody camoron.
Lincoln says “You can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.”
” Except for the EU.”
Think it was Phineas Tayler Barnum that said that in 1891 though it is oft attributed to Lincoln. Agree with you though.
What Lincoln did say (luckily at Gettysburg, so it can be found in any collection of speeches) is this: “It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us……………..that this nation, under God shall have a new birth of freedom and that government of the people, by the people for the people shall not perish from the earth.” The purpose of the Lisbon Treaty is to ensure that our nation and our democracy do perish from the earth as part of the unaccountable EUSSR. How hard can it be? In or out?
+++ Cameron : Treaty Position Will Be Clarified This Week +++
Conservative position on Lisbon later this week?
That would be Dave bent over the white cliffs of Dover with a white flag sticking out of his bottom then.
UKIP are going to do very well out of the Conservative appeasement on Lisbon, & of course DC’s “cast iron guarantees” are shown to be not worth a damn – that is for sure.
UKIP here I come – the true home to Conservative politics in the UK.
he just can not have a referendum once it has been ratified – this is Gordo’s fault and he will be laughing his head off reading this. Do not let Europe be the thorn in the Conservatives side again.
We will have to wait and see what plan B is – William Hague is an exceptional statesman and will have thought of the best way to deal with this mess.
we can’t be angry with the tories about this. labour have strung out the election so this may be dealt with and no they will sit back and laugh. They will laugh harder if Blair gets the job. Their European plan so far is going a dream – Treaty almost ratified, Mandy back – Blair and work experience on the list…… All they need to do now is get rid of Brown and put someone half decent in and they almost will have a chance and that can not happen.
Why can’t he?
“he just can not have a referendum once it has been ratified”
A powerless PM?
So the EU already owns us.
without a shot being fired or a vote being taken.
Armed uinsurgency anyone?
Yes he can – if he’s PM, he can call a referendum if he wants.
Take the result to the EU and say – your move.
Its in the process of generation i feel.
No other option left really.
“wait and see what plan B is” Pathetic comment.
If UKIP were to govern our Parliament, for just even ONE session – WOW, that could help to implode the EU.
Then we would have time to consider ALL our options !
The Bruges Group made the following statement in response to the news that David Cameron intends to renege on his pledge to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty
Barry Legg, Co-Chairman of the Bruges Group and former Chief Executive of the Conservative Party says,
“David Cameron needs to come clean with the British people: why is he breaking his pledge to hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty?
“There was absolutely no wriggle room in the unambiguous pledge he made in September 2007. He offered a “cast iron guarantee” to put any treaty in front of the voters. Why has he changed his mind now? What has changed his mind now?
“It cannot be good enough for a man who wants to be British Prime Minister to hide behind the leader of any other European state. Václav Klaus is a hero in his own country for having stood up to Communism. David Cameron seemingly can’t even stand up for his own past promises.
“What is the point in David Cameron upending one pledge on Europe , but promising he’ll offer us yet more European promises in his general election manifesto? Why will they be any more credible than the ‘cast-iron guarantee’ he has just broken?
“How can David Cameron claim he’ll fight to repatriate powers from Brussels when he won’t even fight to implement his own past words?
“When David Cameron made his pledge to readers of The Sun to hold a referendum on Lisbon, he said this about the Prime Minister:
The final reason we must have a vote is trust. Gordon Brown talks about “new” politics. But there’s nothing “new” about breaking your promises to the British public. It’s classic Labour . . . Small wonder that so many people don’t believe a word politicians ever say if they break their promises so casually.
“The Tory leader stands condemned by his own words.
“David Cameron’s future European policy is now incoherent, disingenuous and utterly unconvincing. This is a dark day for the Tory party, but a worse one for Britain.”
Will you be endorsing that point of view Guido?
All very well and good, but where were the Bruges Group when Brown signed Lisbon in December 2007?
Where were all the anti-Lisbon protest marches they’d organized? Where was the civil disobedience campaign? Nowhere. It was a very minor item on BBC News 24 one afternoon.
Fuck them.
The only sensible referendum now is on whether to stay in the EU or leave and try to negotiate some trade ties like Norway has.
I’d not take bets on what the result of that referendum would be, I expect a mighty near run thing, like the Battle of Waterloo…
[why do they name battles after train stations?]
Agreed.There is absolutely no point in having a referendum simply to deal with something already ratified even if done so on the basis of lies and broken promises.
Any referendum will have to be a simple stay in or get out vote.I suppose that it could be fudged somewhat in the way the 1975 referendum incorporated Harold Wilson’s “new”terms.
I’ve no idea how people would vote in those circumstances.
The next thing you will tell me is Brown will want a statue of himself on the fourth plinth in Trafalgar square!
I have already been commissioned at enormous public expense –
The statue will be 100′ high (that’s 33 metres to you ignoramus’s), and will portray the Glorious and Beloved Leader gazing into the future with the world at his feet.
Smaller copies will be available for town squares, parks and public gardens, – and there will be ‘home’versions for the smaller garden and domwstic set-top versions also.
They will be available in time for Winterval – so order early to avoid disappointment!!
Yea, the little plaque will state,
“here is a man who lacked courage”
Think about what Gordon’s statue would look like in a couple of years time, once we’d got our hands on it.
Bring back the pigeons I say.
I wouldn’t even shit on it.
Any pigeons that landed on it would stick.
Remember saddams statue?
I well remember the Battle of Paddington in 1795. There were dismembered teddy bears everywhere.
A really clever idea would be to still offer the referendum after the election on the basis that the currents governments acceptance of the treaty has no democratic legitimacy, due to their failure to have a vote as promised.
Have the vote then see what you can do about the treaty.
Nice idea, but referendums cost hugh amounts of money, following a General Election which will cost millions, the treasury cupboard is completely bare. There will be clauses that Britain will need to abide to for some time after the ratification of the Treaty no doubt. I suppose Cameron is just trying to be sensible. I am sure he would have had a referendum, unlike Labour, but it looks like it will be too late to do anything.
It would go to the Courts,who would throw it out.
We gave Parliament the mandate to govern us when we had the last GE.
The mandate came from a promised EU referendum, hence no mandate. Breech of contract, an illegal deal.
Still get thrown out of Court…they would have armies of lawyers arguing that the ‘promise’was on the EU Constitution and Lisbon is not the same thing.
Sad,but true.
TO: James Ibbo: Again, I say, it is my impression that a Parliament CANNOT bind its successors !
All this talk about UKIP, they couldn’t run a whelk stall let alone the country, get a grip people.
The facts are that Blair and Brown have stitched Cameron up. By the time the General election has taken place Europe will be signed up, over and finished, no point in closing the stable door, after the horse has bolted.
What are you going to have a referendum on, Britain will be in the EU, end of story. There are some people on this blog who need to grow into adults.
Just be glad Blair will not be the President of the EU council, no Labour EU Trojan Horse for Cameron to deal with.
So it appears you are really happy with the way nulabur are “running” the country, dear Lizzie? Running it into the ground, running over it roughshod, running it to hell? You think UKIP would be worse? You haven’t really thought about this have you?
I would never vote Labour my friend, and if you vote UKIP you will open the door of Downing Street to Brown yet again. I am a true blue and not ashamed of it either.
Say it out loud lizzie, dont forget the tattoo it on your forhead
lizzie’s bought and paid for. lizzie’s just a tory troll, ignore her.
As opposed to tat who is desperately trying to distract us from NuLabour/Mandy’s cunning plan to split the Tory vote.
Nice try but you’ve failed muthafucka.
fuck off suzie you ignorant fuck.
Quit flirting you two, the fights out there, not in here.
Lizzie has just come out of last year’s “Wizard of Oz” pantomime !
The word today Lizzie, dear, is REALISM !
Not brainwashed, purple-rinsed floozies !
(Is that rude? )
So being “an adult” means surrendering your right to vote on who Governs us as a nation?
Lizzie, grow up. Democracy is not negotiable. A mandate from the people is not negotiable.
Ask Gordon about that when he’s in charge of his shiny new Lib/Lab pact government next May, mrs.
Brown has already proven that he can’t run anything. Cameron has made a complete balls up with regard to Conservative policy on the Lisbon Treaty so almost certainly couldn’t run anything either. Conversely Farage comes across as a conviction politician and an eloquent one at that.
I don’t undestand why you you say we WILL be in the EU. We have been in the EU (ex EEC) since 1973 thanks to Heath’s deception. Pehaps you meant we will be subject to the Lisbon Treaty.
Funny though it may seem, I am a little disappointed that Blair is unlikely to become Il Presidente as that would have turned more people in the UK against our continued EU membership.
All is not lost. We can abrogate this and all other EU treaties and watch the rest dance to Barroso’s tune. A more arrogant bastard I have yet to witness.
We ain’t opposed nuffin – honest guv -
Nah – we weren’t nowhere near it.
The mere fact that anyone says the UK ‘can’t’extricate ourselves from any of these treaty provisions show just how far the EU has gone in surrendering national soverignity.
Our parliament may have shown itself to be supine, self-regarding and in places corrupt but it should, by dint of a vote, be able to repatriate powers and void a treaty made without the people’s consent.
Dave was close to sealing the deal at Maison Grex only because he is th eleast worst option. He’s now very close to losing my vote in this marginal.
Fudge anyone?
Mint Cake please!
Humbug
I’d like a biscuit.
I’ll tell you which one I want once I’ve made up my mind.
errrr….ummm…. errr…
need any help with the packing?
Let me guess….Fudge?
I know Dave’s alternative guarantee already.
We aren’t going to get a vote.
His pants need putting out fast.
I’m voting UKIP only for what they aren’t.
Lying bastards.
DC should propose the vote should go ahead, it was promised.
Then all will know the true feelings of the electorate, that in itself is not a pointless exercise. It is well that the EU knows the feelings of the peoples of the UK.
If not forthcoming from the Tories no matter what the excuses voters would know the Tories to be no better than NuLab liars, the population would then be better placed to vote for a party has what it takes to represent the UK population warts and all!
What’s the betting on Dan Hannan MEP, South East, Conservitude, (safest seat in the land) leaving the party that keeps him on the top of the party list in the MEP elections? That is the Conservitude Party, which now has ‘come out’as pro EU and will not offer a plebiscite on a fundamental change to the British constitution.
One to a million against, check at the bookies!
Also study Hannan’s pink eyes, body language, and the hairs on his chinny chin chin.
Is Milipede not going to go for it?
I’d be really surprised if he didn’t. Check out his body language. He says one thing, but means another.
It’s the NuLabour way.
Dan Hannan has no principles and will stick with the Conservitudes because that’s how he will keep one of the easiest and best paid jobs in the world.
Dan Hannan, pompous oaf, all hat and no cattle.
Typical. Evade the question.
It’s the NuLabour way.
“Dan Hannan, pompous oaf, all hat and no cattle.”
WTF does that mean?
(Hint: I’m afraid 19th jock insults don’t really transfer to the 21st century internet.)
It’s a Texan insult along the lines of all mouth and no trousers.
There was no anticipation that turgid simpletons would understand it.
Dan Hannan all hat and no cattle.
We are subjected every day to endless boring trivia about the United States and the least interesting of its citizens. Every time Barak Obama manages to fart unaided reporters break into news summaries to tell us about it in monotonous detail. American dullards fill our screens spouting sanatised banalities in the form of ‘breaking news’. If the Lisbon Treaty means more Europe of less US I’ll welcome it with open arms – especially the banking, farming and legal system bits but excluding the human rights bits.
I don’t think British farmers or fishermen would support you on this.
Why not? The British government, and British supermarkets, treat British farmers very badly indeed. Tony Blair has been more interested in protecting African, Israeli and South American farmers than British farmers. We can grow potatoes, parsley and tomatoes in this country. We don’t need to transport it tens of thousands of miles. Our farmers need to same protection as European farmers – that’s farmers not land owners.
we saved the europeans from fascism and we dragged them out of poverty.
and now you want them to be our boss?
if that is how you feel why don’t you fuck off to europe and work for a spaniard or a french man or a kraut.
go on, fuck off and be subservient to your european masters.
you cockroach, you are not an Englishman, you have no spine and no courage.
you are a traitor to your country.
your name has been added to the list.
The British farmers and fishermen have not had any support over the last 12 years, the opposite in fact. What makes you think that they would receive any more in an EU future?
An analogy:
Mr X wants to buy Man united and promises that Rooney won’t be sold if he buys the club.
Meantime the current owners sell Rooney.
So, Mr X now has to buy Rooney back. ie undo the dirty deed.
How exactly? My club won’t sell him back.
Only option is to to leave the current League and go and play elsewhere
sorry should read;
How exactly? New club won’t sell him back.
Only option is to to leave the current League and go and play elsewhere
And even if the new owner wants to sell him back..at what fucking cost?
Let me remind you..we are a bust Country.
Using the analogy above,we now have a contract with the EU..and they won’t ‘sell Lisbon’back to us for that reason…unless we pay dearly,which we can’t afford!
Its a stupid analogy – Mr X still has the option not to buy the club.
EXACTLY….Cameron promises referendum if he’s in power,and as a condition says a referendum should be held before ratification of said treaty (read Man U and Rooney not sold)
Treaty ratifed (Rooney sold)..Cameron no longer has to buy the club,as his conditional clause is unenforceable.
Simples.
And play in his own league?
No he need only sit on the sideline and watch as the league bankrupts itself on inflated player payments.
Now that is an analogy.
What a shame he didn’t make his promise on page 4 where no sun readers would have seen it.
An oxymoron if ever there was one; Sun “readers”…lmao.
All this emoting about we MUST have a vote on Lisbon – the Treaty is law so there’s not an actual lot Cameron can do about it now and merely voting UKIP will probaly likely ensure that we get another 5 years of Labour, which will ensure even further union with Europe.So for all those “Eurosceptics” out there go ahead if that’s what you really want ?
The real traitors in all this are Labour who reneged on their Manifesto promise with weasel words saying that Lisbon was an “amending treaty” only – whereas it has now been shown to be the “Constitution” in all but name .Equally the LibDems have also reneged on their Manifesto Promise too so they too are traitors in my book
So what can be done ? Well first we need a Conservative government.Some say that Cameron is useless and that you will be voting UKIP or whatever.Well one thing is certain neither a Labour or Lib/Lab Coalition government will do nothing about trying to redress the situation.So first for hope of anything to be done at all there needs to be a Conservative government with an overwhelming majority.Any other electoral outcome merely ensures further loss of sovereignty over the next 5 years.
So rather than saying its time for Cameron to make HIS mind up – I say rather its time for all those Conservative Councillors,Supporters and others blathering on about never voting Conservative or voting UKIP to make THEIR minds up. Vote for Cameron and the Conservatives and perhaps have a chance to address the matter.Vote UKIP and allow Labour with or without LibDem Support to remain in power and scupper any chance at all. You decide and face the consequences.
Hear, hear…..a man with good sense at last! If you want rid of Brown and the Brownies you will need to vote Conservative and make sure you give Brown a really good “send off”.
Seconded Lizzie.
You’ve completely convinced me. I’m voting UKIP.
I’m with you. Cameron is not going to give us a referendum (means he’s a liar); he backed nulabur on the drugs adviser sacking (just like he did the Iraq war – means he’s just another TB clone).
you have also convinced me. Iam voting B?p
It was a free country until Labour got their hands on it, are you sure you know what you are doing!
B*llocks. The tories are in anyway. Vote libdem to make sure labour come third and so are NOT to official opposition party.
LibDems are even worse than nulabur. Everyone of them has bad breath.
Goog job, as I said, the tories are in then. I just want to see the pathetic scrappy remnants of whats left of new liebore huddled together to one side at PMQ’s. And we don’t want the tories to have a massive majority anyway – any government must always be kept on their toes, and thats obviously not a job liebour are up to.
Quite.
Hate the EU but we have been shafted further into it by incompetent government.
Referendum is a dead duck.
Get rid of Labour
said the EU appeasing tory.
You are blown, gimp or whatever you are.
said the second EU appeasing tory.
Did no one tell you?
The law does not apply to politicians; they can do what they want without having to trouble themselves about legal consequences.
They can get on with it, or face the consequences, (which will be a population that holds politicians in such contempt that the country will be ungovernable.)
Piers ‘I’m a twat’Morgan, is still trying to humanize his dopey friend Gordon Brown. Give it up Morgan you talentless shit head, you may as well try to put lipstick on a fucking pig.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1224845/Brown-reveals-shy-nature–prefers-X-Factor-Strictly-Come-Dancing.html
I am also shy but not a gibbering lying twat – there is a difference.
Cameron needs to have a referendum on something to do with the Lisbon Treaty/constitution, if only to fulfill his cast-iron guarantee. A lot of Tory core-support is watching this one, and will easily flip over to UKIP or to abstain if Cameron even hints at wavering. As a prime example, Bercow will be out of Buckingham straight away (may be for the obvious other reasons, but also as a way of showing feelings on the great Lisbon con)
EU rules OK. Dismember your banks orders Nelly. Which bits do you want cut off Darling
There has been some speculation in the media as to my party and our position on the Lisbon Treaty.
As you are aware some months ago, I gave a “cast iron pledge” on a referendum to the British people. As the months have rolled on, my chance to “do the right thing” for the country and its people, have wained.
The Labour party, has through sheer brilliance and political excellence, thwarted every attempt I have made to force an election.
Time after time, through scandal after scandal, where lesser governments would have collapsed under intense pressure from the opposition and public anger at the sheer fraud, incompetence, waste and naked dishonesty,
somehow this Labour government under the heroic leadership of Gordon Brown, Peter Mandelson, Ed Balls, Harriet Harman, Bob Ainsworth et al, have used their collective genius, massive intellect and political nous, to effectively out manoeuvre my attempts to force, well any issues at all quite frankly.
It now is beholden on me and my party to change our strategy in the face of this immovable and most popular government.
From now on, no “cast iron” promises will be given on anything at all and if at some future date I enter 10 Downing Street, no discernable policy will ever change.
Thank you for reading my message.
“Somehow this Labour government under the heroic leadership of Gordon Brown, Peter Mandelson, Ed Balls, Harriet Harman, Bob Ainsworth et al, have used their collective genius, massive intellect and political nous.”
Thanks mate, I didn’t think we were gonna get any comedy on this thread.
Just wait til they scrap our currency too.
Euro anyone?
At least we can’t accuse Cast Iron Cameron of failing to learn from the government.
He’s now demonstrated clearly what a profoundly skilled liar he can be.
Ideal prime ministerial material.
Look at the expression, let he without sin ‘cast iron guarantee the first plebiscite.
Reverse, reverse, reverse!
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/eu_referendum/article273758.ece
I really shouldn’t have been let out today.
Nurse!
Ah, AC is back among us – another nervous breakdown was it, Ali?
…or any other day, come to that.
Dan Hannan, look at the pink eyes!
Dan squirms, watch Dan squirm, Dan is squirming, no, no Dan is squealing.
Hey Master Traitor, I’m shagging your boyfriend.
How long did that last, 5 seconds?
The final reason we must have a vote is trust. Gordon Brown talks about “new” politics.
But there’s nothing “new” about breaking your promises to the British public. It’s classic Labour.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/eu_referendum/article273758.ece#ixzz0Vnjl4aL4
Why not just offer a full referendum In or Out? One has been required one for over 20 years
It will come, but not under a Lib/Lab government.
I see Brussels are now telling the government to sell off our best bank assests the ones that the taxpayers bought. Brussels can go fuck off, Gordon would never sell British assests when the market is at all time lows.
So it is UKIP then.
So five more years of Labour it is then.
It Woz Dave That Lost It
It woz Dave who never had it — all down to UKIP.
The only thing the Tories can do is declare Gordon Brown insane cause a major constitution stink and say as a man who is not fit to run the country we have decided that the signing of the treaty was an act of sabotage by a lunatic.
Therefore it is with regret we will run on a ticket of vote for us and we will hold a referendum on Europe and compliance with this treaty.
It is for the people tod ecide. and teh referendum will be two questions.
1) Do we stay in Europe and shape it or do we withdraw and negotaite a trading partnership like Norway and Switzerland.
2) Unpick the Lisobon Treaty on the parts that the UK needs to bring back to the domestic parliament
I’m going to vote UKIP.
I know they won’t win, or come anywhere close to getting an MP.
But, if enough people vote outside the big two (ignoring the pointless Clegg) it should ensure the Tories win with just a small majority.
The last thing this country needs is a government with a huge majority.
If the Tories don’t win by a landslide they’re less likely to abuse their position as they won’t feel as secure as, say, the new Labour scum did following ’97/’01.
Good man
Idiot.
Vote Tory or risk getting five more years of Brown.
what a load of bullshit.
desperate desperate stuff from the tory HQ trolls.
there is more chance of gordon brown fucking vanessa paradis than there is of him winning the next election.
you tories are really shitting your pants now that dave has shown what a useless c’unt he is over the EU question.
you are fucked my old china.
a hung parliament is becoming more of a certainty by the day.
excellent!
Can’t disagress.
Cameron must get the message loud and clear that smarming your way to power worked for Blair, but it won’t work again.
He should have to work for the vote…
Sod off Euro Hoon.
The politics of fear are a left wing trait – just what I would expect from Nu-Con.
What is the point of voting Blue Labour when they are the same lying liar Euro Hoons as Red Labour?
A leader that wont keep his word deserves contempt.
UKIP for me too.
Fuckukip, what a prick you are! what you should have said was, vote Tory AND get a lifetime of Blair!
Exclusive: Announcement here.
We’d better leave everything to Headcase Labour then. After all, they’ve made a fantastic job of fucking things up so far.
you are making a complete fucking cock of yourself.
brown’s a dead man. he is a loser and all your piffle about him being returned to power is the biggest load of shit I ever heard in my fucking life.
fuck off you fucking spastic.
what a dick.
these tories are really shitting themselves now.
but hey, I told you david cameron was a useless c’unt and I have been proved right.
Desperate tat — you’re blown.
You know, when I first found this site you were a labour troll like MB, now I know you are… fuck off and die.
“Desperate tat — you’re blown.”
It’s a dirty job, but someone has to do it.
That mark oaten will be round shortly when he hears of this.
you’re shit susie.
fuck off you silly old tart.
OK, let’s be fair to Cameron. All he promised was a “cast-iron” guarantee. We all know that if you leave cast iron out in the rain for long enough, it rusts.
And let’s face it, it’s been raining a lot lately.
Now, if he’d given a “stainless steel” guarantee, that would have been different…
Did Cameron also say he was going to clarify his views on Neathergate?
A solution:
1) Find someone rich who is very upset with the fact that we are not getting a referendum(or a few of them).
2) Form a political party who’s name clearly identifies it as nothing but a protest party (None, None of the others, No-one etc)
3) Put up a candidate for EVERY UK constituency, (hence rich person for the deposits required).
4) Clear manifesto to dissolve the party after the general election
5) Use Facebook and other internet resources to advertise it as the “I think all the other parties are a bunch of lying tossbags and I want an actual choice”
I firmly believe that you would retain your deposit in most areas!!
The combined power of all the pissed of internet generation as well as Guido and his co-conspirators political clout and connections should make it one hell of an interesting fight.
Tag on one extra item -Expenses – We will legislate for no expenses whatsoever for MPs or Lords from this point on and will vigorously prosecute the fraudsters from the current parliament, with serious gaol time for the guilty.
Maaaaaaaaasive vote winner. Quite possibly an election winner alone.
Oh dear! What a silly mess.
Well I suppose it’s what you get if you let elderly, delusional white people run the show!
Congratulations! Whilst we’ve been treated to repeat after repeat of 633 Squadron, the French and the Germans got to carve it all up. Well done! Excellent! Great job!
Hey Eurosceptics! What long term future do you offer? Hmmm…..that must be the peace and quiet the Daily Mail yearns for.
Hitler has only got one ball, the other is in the…..
‘Eddie The Eagle’ politics triumphs once again!
shut the fuck up eileen you silly old c’unt.
shut your mouth traitor.
your name has been added to the list, your treachery is on the record and has been duly noted.
Thanks to little Englanders like the Conservitudes this country keeps missing the European bus and has to walk, like landless peasants.
we are net contributors to the EU so it is the other scroungers who are the peasants.
do try to get your facts straight you idiot.
Maybe they’d prefer cash contibutions.
Don’t be so dim. The UK squabbles with the EU members while they get on with things. It’s plain idiotic. Remember the BSE shambles and two watches moat man Hogg. What a joke the Conservitudes are. At least legover can speak French and Italian and Spanish and Dutch and German. Just imagine pimple head Hague representing the UK’s interests in Europe with that whining voice.
How little you respect the history & talent this country has to offer, underneath all the layers of Euro-honnery that you spout.
Eileen, sod off.
Just thought I’d let you know that Dad’s Army is on tonight.
Who do you think you are kidding Mr Hitler if you think old Englands done……
Oh heady days…
Give the vote or its also UKIP!
Vote Cameron or get 5 more years of Brown.
Al, Seconded; we need to understand the country cannot afford another five years on Labour/brown, everyone must look at this in the round, consider what has taken place over the past 12 (will be 13 years at this rate), and then vote. The job of the next government is going to be hard enough, just see today the extra debt that has been piled on each and everyone of us. Day after day the situation is drivng downward, and some people think voting for a minority party can solve this, jokers.
Any party not agreeing to pay £6.4 billion per year to the EU would be a move in the right direction. It should be Cameron, but if not, there are others. Giving Cameron the benefit of the doubt would cost us another £32 billion.
Tony Blair’s interference has probably cost us almost as much.
We had a nice rebate – until he gave it all back – and more- and got bugger all back in return. He was plumping up his feathers for the EU presidency even then.
No we can’t.
But we can’t afford 5 years of a Blair clone with a massive majority, which I fear is what we’ll get.
It will be ’97 all over again – and we know how that’s turned out…
“Al, Seconded; we need to understand the country cannot afford another five years on Labour/brown, everyone must look at this in the round, consider what has taken place over the past 12 (will be 13 years at this rate), and then vote. The job of the next government is going to be hard enough, just see today the extra debt that has been piled on each and everyone of us. Day after day the situation is drivng downward, and some people think voting for a minority party can solve this, jokers.”
Fucking pleb! Of which minority parties do you speak? UKIP are now the opposition, dickhead.
Typical Tory, party before country, treacherous c*nt!
it does not matter how many times you keep repeating it what you are saying is a load of fucking shit and merely exposes the desperation of the tories’postion.
gordon brown has got more chance of being sucked off by claudia schieffer than he has of winning the next election, everyone knows that!
so save your bullshit for conservativefoam, we are not interested in your tory propaganda here thankyou very much.
now fuck off you fucking loser.
what a c’unt.
There is no difference between Cameron and Brown.
They both lie and break promises.
They will both sell us into EU slavery.
They both believe in social engineering to the point that Cameron has adopted Harriet Harman’s policies and will not only discriminate against men in the candidate selection process, he will force Tory HQ’s selection on the constituencies, over ruling local democracy.
The choice is between freedom and slavery, not Cameron and Brown.
Did anyone understand McDoom this morning? Despite saying more money, loadsa money, is being pumped into the banks he said the banks will be paying us the money back! The man speaks in riddles.
Brown’s motto:
The bigger the lie, the more likely people are to believe it. (Josef Goebbals)
Plenty of UKIP trolls crawling out from under their stones today.
Gordon Brown will be delighted.
Yes Gordon is relying on UKIP to save his premiership, Vote UKIP get More Brown.
Vote Cameron get more of the same.
Only UKIP are committed to the immediate destruction of wind farms.
Wind farms are white elephants. Wind farms suck dead dingo’s donger.
Dave is a wind farm ho. Dave lifts his shirt on demand. UKIP, UKIP all the way.
fucking hell andy, I am independent of political parties but it is clear that you UKIP guys have got the tories’bum cracks dripping with sweat.
well done sir.
now bash the fucking shit out of those toff traitors.
the tories are just as quick to sell this country down the river as new labour FFS.
these treacherous tory c’unts must be hunted down and treated with extreme prejudice.
Other UKIP policies:
All school meals to include scones and strawberry jam;
Old episodes of Last of the Summer Wine to replace the BBC News;
Abolition of VAT on comfy slippers;
Cricket to be an Olympic sport (proper cricket, of course, not ODIs)
Golf to be taught in schools;
Prospective immigrants to be tested to ensure that they can make a decent cup of tea;
Universities to offer courses in Countdown Studies;
All metric measurements to become illegal.
if you stick your head any further up the arse of the EU we will only be able to see your toe nails… hmmm …. hold on… I don’t believe it, could it be?… nick robinson the rimmer is that you?
If so I hereby claim my etc etc…
And what, pray tell, is wrong with any of that?
not interested in micro policies only the bigger picture.
I thought this stuff was all part of the Monster Raving Loony Party’s manifesto.
Gordon Brown = lying hoon. David Cameron = lying hoon.
Whats the difference which shade of Labour we vote for?
be brave, show them that you do not accept this stitch up from a cabal of Euro crooks.
Vote independent.
Forget working for a living just sue the boss for commenting on your “honkers”.
City bank sued for £3m over comments like ‘your breasts are honkers’
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23763754-city-bank-sued-for-pound-3m-over-comments-like-your-breasts-are-honkers.do
No picture!!
Kearney on WatO loving the Lisbon move and the promise of Cameron 2 years ago. No feckin’mention of Liebour reneging on their manifesto promise!
Cast Iron’s guarantee in the Sun left no room for doubt.
He would give us, “a referendum on any EU treaty that came out of the negotiations.”
He won’t.
So that’s a lie.
Not a misunderstanding.
Not a mistake.
A lie.
Obviously, UKIP won’t form a government and haven’t got the policies.
But that huge lie must be demonstrably punished.
And voting UKIP is the best way.
I will give this cast-iron guarantee: If I become PM a Conservative government will hold a referendum on any EU treaty that emerges from these negotiations.
He is not PM
“Will” is in the future tense.
It looks like a very big “If”.
Vote UKIP and take enough votes from the Tories to give Brown another five years to totally destroy what’s left of the country.
No probs, the B?P are taking labour votes, ta da
God. Can you imagine Brown with a mandate? A majority all of his own. His boundless ego would be a sight to behold.
Leaping tall buildings with a single bound. Supporting the entire world on his shoulders. Reversing time by flying around the world really, really fast. Tributes being showered on him by the great and good of the political, theatrical and sporting world.
All in his fucked up head. Meanwhile, back on Earth we’d be like the cityscape in ‘Escape from New York’.
What a nightmare.
If you thought 12 years of drving the Uk into this level of economic destruction was bad imagine what another 5 years of that imbecile could do nopw that our national debt is already going exponential. We’re going to need bigger banknotes just to fit all the extra zeros on.
you have exposed yourself as a pro european tory jgm2.
good – I am going to bash your fucking brains out now you c’unt.
I don’t like traitors who betray Britain. and that is exactly what you are.
prepare to have your skull caved in you piece of shit.
Oh do grow up tat.
you are on the list.
If Labour did get a majority, this country would be governed by the IMF within days.
We do not need to worry about the possibility of a Labour Government because the last thing on earth that Labour want is to win the election. They would then have to face all the problems which they deliberately created for the next government. Bring it on.
A UKIP vote risks nothing.
Continuing to support lying politicians who rob us blind and treat us with contempt risks everything.
fucking spot on.
Well put.
UKIP it is.
Anyone else see Evan Davis (Dragons Den and Today) in his off duty gear? He’s not gay is he?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1224832/For-Evans-sake-Do-dress-age-Mr-Davis.html
A nice enough guy, and we can all chill out when in public, but, how can you take him seriously being interviewed by him having looked at this photo?
He’s not the only gay in the Westminster Village.
Bloody easily – he is one of the leading economic analysts in the country and a good interviewer. I also quite like his somewhat self-deprecating approach (not up himself like Paxo or Humpy). Who give a flying do-dah what he wears in private?! (and I’d die for a waistline like that:)
Brown is the culprit. Labour promised a referendum on the Constitution/Treaty. The are the Government
Cameron:
I will give this cast-iron guarantee: If I become PM a Conservative government will hold a referendum on any EU treaty that emerges from these negotiations.
He is not the PM nor in Government.
Take it out on Brown. Get rid of him.
We were expecting a lot from Cameron,maybe too much,but he’s shown his true colours,he is the heir to Bliar,no difference between Nuliarbour and the Nucons apart from the colour of the rosette they wear,both can go to hell,the Nucons won’t get my vote.
Brown is the culprit, he is the one who has signed, but clearly not in mine or many others names, he is the one who sold us out on a promised vote, it is on HIS watch. DC has worded the cast iron guarntee cleverly but correctly. By bottling on an election, Brown is the one who should be questioned.
grow a spine you c’unt.
Spin it anyway you please.
This is a matter of fundamental trust in the Conservative leader.
He lied.
quite right.
david cameron is a liar and cannot be trusted.
The disdain shown for Cameo is a joy to behold and justified.
However, serious question, what is the difference between a cast iron guarantee and a cast iron promise? Serious question. Breaking a promise is one thing and breaking a gurantee is another isn’t it.
Maybe the point is to associate gurantee with promise more closely.
Ah well, it’s pleasant watching ferrets fighting in a sack.
By the way Kaminski is in favour of the Lisbon Treaty, so why did Cameo get into bed with him using Hague as a footwarmer?
Pandering is not a policy.
gordon brown is a liar and cannot be trusted.
vote independent.
Wondered when you’d crawl out of the woodwork.
You clearly don’t get it, so I’ll say this slowly: EVERYONE. HATES. GORDON. BROWN.
It doesn’t matter how much Cameron screws up, it’s because Brown is so damn awful that he can be a double crossing tw@t and still be assured of a romp to victory.
You’re an idiot without parallel.
Speaking about broken promises……..how about this one.
“No more boom and bust”.
Exactly how many times have we heard Gordon utter those 5 words?
A guarantee is a promise.
A promise to put something right if it goes wrong.
And somethings very very wrong.
REFERENDUM, NOW!
Look at this shocking economic chart just released by the OECD. Britain is the worst placed country in the whole of the developed world:
http://burningourmoney.blogspot.com/2009/11/worst-in-world.html
F*ck me! We are rock bottom. Even below Iceland FFS!
when brown said we were best placed we all knew it was a lie………
we all know-just a handful of stooges support him-
labour out now!
We are best placed……..to be last out of recession.
I don’t recall seeing that reported on the BBC news. Or their website.
Funny that.
Brown drones on about how many jobs Labour are creating, what about the loss of 3700jobs at his RBS bank. How clever is that!
I was all ready to join the Conservative Party yesterday, until I read on this site that Cameron may backtrack on his ‘Cast-Iron guarantee’for a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. I want a say on this matter whether it has been ratified or not, and I will not join his Party until he restates his promise!
Boo hoo!!!!!
I will give this cast-iron guarantee: If I become PM a Conservative government will hold a referendum on any EU treaty that emerges from these negotiations.
He is not the PM
Sad poor excuse.
So DC is a mealy mouthed shit like Red Labour?
And you want him to be PM?
Enough.
Vote independent.
It is a quite straightforward quote made over 2 years ago.
He has not become PM in the intervening 2 years: the treaty has been ratified by an unelected PM after he quite openly went back on a Labour promise to hold one.
So either we get out of Europe altogether or wait and see what the Tory line is going to be. I am hoping that the EU is told that the UK will not kowtow to them and the whole gravy train is de-railed
A politician with balls would tell the EU that the British people were owed a referendum and that he was going to give them one.
He would invite the EU to delay the implementation of the treaty until the referendum had taken place.
If the EU ignored that democratic imperative, there are plenty of other citizens of Europe who feel the same as we do, who could easily be mobilised.
Our backs are against the wall. Tyranny is only a hairbreadth away from us.
Tyranny is the deliberate negation and abandonment of the democratic principle. That is the abiding chacteristic of the EU.
Vote me in as PM and ill shove that treaty document right up brown, camo, clegg and the whole EU troughers arses before making them eat it.
Dunkirk, here we come.
My forefathers didnt die to allow a bunch of tyrannical cocksuckers to do what the nazis did and i dont see why we should allow it to happen all over again without so much as a whimper.
Gentleman, start your fucking engines.
The British Electorate should still have an oppertunity to pass a verdict on the Lisbon treaty.
We need a law passed that makes it illegal for the UK govt. to give money to an organisation that has not got sound financial accounts.
…particularly when it’s own accounts are far from sound.
Pretty sure a law already exists that deals with this.
dave- find a spine or we will all vote ukip or the other lot……..
it’s about time YOU became an opposition!!!!!!
the economy is fucked and millions are out of work…….
anything to say?
http://burningourmoney.blogspot.com/2009/11/worst-in-world.html
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aF4hrbVgNr3s&pos=13
OT but what a shame. Jack Straw is sorry though, apparently.
Oh, well that’s alright then.
Jesus,
Some of the guys here actually imagine he is against the EU.
Amazing
Ampers
UKIP it is then. Well done Dave you’ve probably lost a sizeable majority and risk a hung parliment because you have no balls. At least we have found out before you got elected.
If only UKIP weren’t such a bunch of troughing scoundrels!
Evidence for your remark, tat?
you don’t quite understand how this propaganda thing works do you?
evidence? don’t be so naive. first you must win the people, does one need evidence to achieve that? nah: one needs only rhetoric, a plausible narrative and a means of distribution. I have all three sir waad. you do not.
This is an analogy:
Let’s suppose that a council owns a building which they are allowing to fall into disrepair.
Let’s suppose the opposition leader says: “This is a disgrace. When we take over the council, I will ensure the building g is looked after properly and repaired.”
Let’s suppose that the current council leader burns the building down and shouts: “I’d like to see you repair THAT!”
And further, let’s suppose that some people say: “Yeah! That’s right! You promised to repair the building! Ha!”
They’d be pretty stupid, wouldn’t they?
Only problem with that analogy is that it doesn’t apply to the situation.
The opposition leader actually said, “When we take over you have a cast iron guarantee that I will give you a vote on your view of the council on this building programme.”
Whether the vote changes anything or the building still stands is entirely irrelevant. (That pass was sold years ago.)
This is about keeping a solemn promise or LYING.
Has anyone actually read the title of this blog:
“Treaty position will be clarified this week.”
So, we all seem to be getting our knickers in a knot over what his position is when no-one actually knows yet.
There’s a whole clutch of ‘em on here always firing blanks.
Ten days ago we were being told Dave would be making a decisive statement on Labour’s eugenics policy. We are still waiting for that. How many open goals has Dave ignored in the last six months?
“The Treaty position will be clarified this week” It’s Tuesday what is he waiting for?
It’s called feedback.
Cameron needs to know how people feel about the situation.
We are telling him.
Clarification: there will be no vote. Right, is that clear?!
Quite right,clarification they won’t get my vote,is that clear.
Apart from the glaring issue of Cameron’s integrity—————-
I’m a bit puzzled.
bearing in mind that Cameron and the Tories are committed to overturn all sorts of Labour laws and other laws too , why is it he proclaims it to completely impossible to revisit the various EU laws ?
Am I being a bit simple here , missing something ?
What it is that makes the Eu laws so inviolable and impossible to amend /repeal?
“What it is that makes the Eu laws so inviolable and impossible to amend /repeal?”
As a rule of thumb, provinces don’t tend to tell conquering empires how to govern.
People are going to think twice ab out voting UKIP after reading the foaming-at-the-mouth garbage they post on here. Compared to UKIP supporters Master Baiter seems almost normal.
if you don’t like it here dan then fuck off.
you fucking spineless c’unt.
Guidiot’s slip is showing, don’t look!
do you want to be banned MB?
As the indigenous people say on the continent of America
How
Now come on fellers – play fair. Dave is technically in the right. The treaty is being ratified. Legally, we can’t now veto it – referrendum or no referrendum. The UK has legally signed up to it – that isn’t Dave’s fault, it’s those bastards Blair and Brown who promised a vote and then reneged. Dave can’t unsign the treaty.
But what he can do is tear it up. Tell them to go take a running jump. Tell them that the UK doesn’t give a fig what they do in the EU, but we’re playing by our own rules because, gosh, we’re an independent nation. And if they dont’like it, they can fuck off.
Tell ‘em that Dave. I’d vote for that. But vote for a compliant little surrender, after the deal is done? Nah. Not chance. I’d sooner vote for Satan, if he’d put up a fight, than surrender. I’m English me old mate. I don’t surrender.
I suppose that if it’s a treaty, as opposed to a constitution, any of the parties can resile from it at any time – not saying we would or should mind – just that we could.
Love it, love it, love it!
The only way that I can see to draw the sting of the EU is to move the arguement away from yes or no to what type of EU we want.
Repatriation of fishing rights, reformation of the CAP etc are well worn issues that are manifestations of the problem, rather than the problems itself.
It is shameful that the EU model has more in common with China than the USA.
Cameron should be able to build a consensus amoungst the smaller, eastern european and nordic countries that takes the best of the EU (enlargement, freedom to travel, trading) and adds a big dollop of democracy to legitimise the project.
The EU project explicity corrupts all those who are on the inside with salaries, perks, expenses, pension etc to ensure that there is no real dissenting voice.
The far right Austrian party were excluded from diplomatic relations, not because of their objectionable views, but because they were anti EU. Funding is restricted to pro-eu parties.
Add to this the fact that their own accountants won’t sign off their accounts and the persecution of whistle blowers and it all adds up to a corrupt and fundementally flawed institution.
It would be fun to hear the weasel words of explanation as to why tranparancey and honesty are not necessary in the EU project. If this came to pass, I predict the socalists would turn on their creation with the venom of a spurned lover.
Dave I was a Tory.
Now I’m UKIP.
Goodbye Mr Camerhoon.
Cast Iron is brittle and cracks under pressure.
cast iron is immensely strong under compressive load, but less so under impact loading
The strength of cast iron is always seriously affected by flaws and impurities.
And is a bitch to weld.
Here, in India, do you understand, we too have caste-iron: caste-iron – you hear that? It is caste-iron; it is lovely stuff: that is what the radiators is made of (my English is correct, you see!). When cold, they are very high caste, very high caste indeed; but when they are hot, they are b****y Untouchable!
Sorry: I will get my coat – and your coat too, if you wish, Sahib…?
Perhaps you could help them draft some policies to help us out of the recession?
http://www.ukip.org/content/ukip-policies
I’m sure it’s just an oversight
Referendum or no vote from me Dave.
I really would like to make sense of this. What would be the wording be of a referendum (assuming that the Lisbon treaty has been ratified)? What would it say that could possibly be relevant and what would happen as a result? And by the way most of the people I talk to haven’t even heard of the Lisbon treaty, they scarsely know what the EU is and they care even less. So what happens when they vote in favour of it? Will you emigrate?
A lot of people have already emigrated and there will be more in the pipeline – myself and spouse included.
I’m going for a long sleep.
The Referendum need only state:
The ‘Lisbon Treaty’is a treaty proposed by The European Union (the full text can be found on their web-site). It would enforce the principle that E.U. Law have primacy – E.U. Law would override and supersede National Law, in this case, ‘the Law of the Land’– the United Kingdom, our Country. Our country would be, in effect, merely a Province in and of The European Union. In addition, the treaty would be ‘self-amending’, meaning that the Law and its application could be changed at any time without reference to the British Parliament or the British People. Government would no longer be from elected Representatives sitting in Parliament, government would be by ‘Commissioners’(not elected) in Brussels.
Please indicate below whether you wish the ‘Lisbon Treaty’to be signed by the Prime Minister.
NO: YES:
Clear as mud
http://newslion.blogspot.com/
Cast iron tends to be brittle, except for malleable cast irons
or spheroidal graphite, where inoculation with magnesiumtrnsforms the flake structure of the graphite(carbon) to ball to discourage crack propogation.
If Dave gives us a vote on europe I’ll show my arse in Woolies’window
Which Woolies window would that be then – are there any left!
Our local Woolies is now a Gay Bar
That’s the point of the joke pal
There is a survey on Conservative Home so you can tell Dave what you want:
http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=6wWKqH6nkhG03_2fj7xwLTUA_3d_3d
I was racially abused but no one takes it seriously cause i am white
Call your local Police Hate Crime Unit.
They’re too busy trying to avoid prosecuting the asians at the school where the english kid was beaten to brain damaged senselesness and trying to reassure the head that he is perfectly right to ignore the whole thing.
Well done Gordon McDoom – 1700 jobs to go at HSBC!
it’s already clear
his cast iron guarantee was bullshit so he’ll make a few anti-european noises to try an please any eurosceptics who haven’t been paying attention
everyone knows he can’t renegotiate shit under Lisbon as any one of 26 countries simply says no to his small euro-grouping then the negotiations are over imediately.
is there really anyone gullible enough to fall for this “renegoatiation” window dressing public relations ?
no-one is stopping Dave having a referendum
that is entirely the British Prime Ministers decision and no-one else’s
that huge public vote against Lisbon would make abrogation easy as the Democracy of tens of millions of Britons at the ballot box is somewhat more persuasive than any legal technicalities hidden in paragraph 50(b) of Lisbon
hiding behind vague unclear legal minuita is for cowards
exactly who is going to arrest who for dismissing it and exercising Britain’s Sovereign right to Abrogate any Treaty it pleases ?
will the EU Parliament troughers arrest the British Public ?
unlikely
let the EU try and stop the Democratic wil of the British people expressed in the vote of a Lisbon Referendum
they will seal their own doom
Mr Cameron gave voters an “iron-clad” promise in 2007 that a Conservative government would hold a popular vote on Lisbon.
And, in May this year, he said: “A progressive reform agenda demands that we redistribute power from the EU to Britain and from judges to the people. We will therefore hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6488240/David-Cameron-to-tell-voters-no-vote-on-Lisbon-Treaty.html
There you go, dave is not for turning. Dave WILL hold a referendum he has said so and given his guarantee.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/eu_referendum/article273758.ece
3 lines from the bottom – if I am PM
You are all being scammed;
Typical Tory spin: ”Gordon is relying on UKIP to save his premiership, Vote UKIP get More Brown.”
Translation: Vote Tory as it is the only party that has the ONLY chance of removing Labour.
How did we ever allow ourselves to get into the position of having only two parties to choose from. It is a dictatorship, the only party that can beat labour is tories and the only party that can beat tories is labour it is a JOKE.
We need to scrap FPTP NOW!
We must be one of the least undemocratic nations in the 21st century.
We need PR or AV pronto to keep the big two parties in check and allow proper democracy to flourish or this country will die.
Great idea to vote UKIP,if you want another five years of the one eyed arsewipe.I’m as Eurosceptic as the next man but if anyone can explain the point of a referendum on something which has been in action for months I’m all ears.
Vote UKIP, Green or even the Nazis to highlight the corruption in the system and force PR through. It’s about time these bastards started listening to the people.
No point in voting Tory if Dave the heir to Blair is just going to deliver more of the same. Dave has now been shown to be a LIAR out of office, so what the fuck will he be like if he gets in.
Vote UKIP U know it makes sense.
Vote Cameron get Blair if he chickens out on his cast iron guarantee
Brown hasn’t a hope in hell of winning
Nobody who can read a poll believes that feeble scaremongering horseshit
He’s so far behind in the polls he needs a fucking telescope to see the Conservative’s
The incompetent loon is finished and is going to lose massively
The point of a referndum to have it and get popular public support behind you when Britain abrogates Lisbon as it can do to any treaty
Then the EU can go fuck themselves with their whining about any clauses hidden in Lisbon that they think supercedes a Sovereign Countries rights, because it simply won’t matter and Lisbon will have been binned by the Government and the public
heard it all before harry, it was bullshit then and it is bullshit now.
gordon brown has more chance of being analised by harriet harman wearing a strap on than he does of winning the next election.
were both your parents retarded? it is the only explanation your ridiculously inane outburst.
take your insane rants elsewhere you titfuck.
thankyou.
Harry Hornet. Named for your yellow stripes perhaps?
I think you will find that Dave, his expenses fiddles and broken promises is clad in PIG iron not cast.
most of you lot don’t seem to understand that it is whitehall manderins that are responsible for over zelously implementing EU laws and creating this impression of the EU gone mad culture we have seen over the last 20 years.
How the french and germans have be laughing at us all this time, as we tie ourselves up in knots constantly shooting ourselves, our businesses, our lives and heritage in bending over backwards in a whitehall lead charge of regulations that hits the brick wall of reality at massive cost to the people and common sense.
why are the french and germans laughing
cos they just ignore the bits they don’t like and the Tories political pissing around as the only major party in the UK with a sceptical view on the EU has diluted their chance to have our say in europe.
Cameron has started to strengthen position and power, i just hope the BOOs can see the reality and swallow the bitter pill that BROWN has forced on us.
Focus on doing the right thing for this country and continually support the only party in this country that can ACTUALLY make a damn difference.
So to all you old farts, liberal wets, cornish weirdos, ranting tin foil hat brigade and mutiple fake account ukippers moaning away … jog on.
We’re having to deal with reality of economic and real politik now, not childish toy throwing of ‘i wanna i wanna ref’rendum’.
whitehall have been behaving illegally over europe and over iraq and over afghanistan.
whitehall have got into a habit of criminal behaviour on a domestic and international front.
we will have to start hanging these criminals to restore law and order.
tardkiller is correct. The UK’s tradition of adversarial law and the thieving lawyers guild in cohoots with parliament and whitehall leads to ludicrous implementation of reasonable European directives. Every implentation is designed to lead to more work for lawyers in settling disputes that arise from them.
The rest of Europe indeed does laugh at the dog’s dinner the UK makes of implenting directives.
Different legal sytems.
Courts in many European countries interpret and implement the law according to its perceived intent.
The English system, (fittingly enough) is anally obsessive and looks only at the letter of the law in minute detail.
The two sytems don’t mix.
Correct but the K legal system can be reformed, today is the first step, the legal leeches will have salt poured on their backs.
A lot of our laws have been superseded by European Laws, which have made our legal system almost laughable. The amount of time wasted in Courts is a joke.
Cameron will be a minor functionary in a powerless Government under Lisbon
meekly accepting Lisbon without the democratic Vote, that would enable Britain to abrogate this piece of filth treaty, is simply cowardice
nobody has the power to stop Dave from holding a referendum except himself
My only regret is that some got away
I’m glad they picked you as the war criminal and not me.
I’ll bet that most of those here claiming that they will not now vote Tory,but UKIP,are based in Millbank.
Create the illusion that UKIP are taking votes from the Opposition, regardless of their incapability to run the Country,and Brown might just survive.
Bit naive,chaps.
Not as naive as basing policy on a wishful delusion.
It doesn’t matter that a vote won’t change anything.
It doesn’t matter that the treaty will already be ratified.
It doesn’t matter that Labour are as bad.
Cast Iron gave a solemn, signed promise to the British people,
AND HE LIED.
He’s a politician. What did you expect him to do?
Millions of ordinary people in other European countries said “No” when asked about this Treaty, including the French. They were promptly ignored by their politicians who went ahead with it anyway. Others were not given a choice and the Treaty was simply ratified over their heads.
Therefore it is clear that there is a lot of underlying opposition throughout Europe to this Treaty and all it needs is somebody to organise proper, coherent opposition. No need for any violence, civil disobedience on a grand scale – eg withholding our contributions, ignoring all their “Directives” etc – would do the job.
It thus seems to me that we would not be alone in telling the unelected EU dictators to go away boil their heads, and that other nations might also grow a pair and follow our lead. But we need a strong leader and Cameron does not seem to fit the bill.
Maybe a coup d’etat is needed within the party to get a real Conservative back in charge. Thoughts?
Dave drew the venom out of the Conservative Party so that it could safely mate with the Britsh people, but he killed the fucking thing in the process.
The word ‘dithering’comes to mind. Decisions should be binary. In or Out. Up or Down. On or Off. People understand things like that…
“I am worried that we will sleepwalk to another defeat if the choice is between staying on a Right-wing agenda, more of the same. That way we will not show we’ve changed. But on the other hand if we go down a path where we say that the European issue somehow doesn’t matter any more, and we’re not going to engage in that, I think instead of political suicide, that’s national suicide.”
DAVID CAMERON
http://conservativehome.blogs.com/toryleadership/2005/09/cameron_vote_fo.html
Sorry Dave, another vote going to UKIP.
You liar.
[...] Cameron added: “If this treaty becomes law, it becomes law along with all the other treaties that have been passed into European law and we’ll have to explain what a Conservative government would do to try and make sure that Britain had her rights protected and defended properly.” [...]
Conservative Government with UKIP in opposition.
Now that i’d LOVE to see.
A UKIP government with a B?N?P opposition.
The lib/lab/con are greedy, self serving, lying, criminal traitors almost without exception.
Time they were gone.
Remember this is the LAST TIME!!!!!!!! you will ever have a MEANINGFUL vote unless Lisbon is stopped or we get out.
As Dumbledore would say – ‘use it well’.
You will never get another.
Apologies if already posted but anyone read this on Sunday?
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100015393/from-midnight-last-night-the-european-commission-became-illegal/
The sooner out of the EU the better.
Dave I’m voting UKIP. I don’t trust you
CLS
10 Run 20
20 Blair 2.0.exe
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The Policy should be crystal clear, whatever it is.
None of this mamby pamby stuff about being part of it but not actually in it.
We need to be IN or OUT, one or the other and it doesn’t matter that much which at the moment because there’s so much to be done to dig ourselves out of Brown’s huge hole, if you’ll pardon the expression, that the EU is going to take second place to that imperative anyway…
There’s so much more to worry about right now and for the foreseeable future that when is a treaty not a treaty and all that crap…
So Vaslav has signed the treason Lisbon treaty, a dark day for Europe as Communism is rolled out – without a shot fired. Adolf Hitler would be proud, a Fourth Reich without bloodshed.
8 thousand too few, I was aiming for 8 million
Quote from Dan Hannan in the telegraph…
“Out of 646 MPs at Westminster, 638 promised us a referendum. What would it say about British democracy if we didn’t get one?”
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100015547/vaclav-klaus-signs-the-lisbon-treaty-very-well-alone/
Welcome to the Fourth Reich.
May a suggest a minutes silence at 11am on 1st December to mark the Death of Democracy.
So the Czech ratification on the Lisbon treaty/Constitution has happened. Well Devious Dave knew all along his so called commitment on holding a referendum,was designed soley to make the most of looking democratic on our future relationship within the EU. Cameron is guilty of sheer political opportunism,and he will need more than PR and spin surely he must realise that particular T-shirt belonged to Blair.
Back in 2007 Dave said his word can be trusted unlike other politicians umm that will come back to haunt him!
Dave says he wants to re-negotiat a new set of rules for the UK? How exactly will Dave do that? The Lisbon Treaty is self ammending ,there won’t be another one so this is completly false, words just words. As Klaus said after signing the Constitution there goes my countries sovereignty!!
. .what Opposition?
Weren’t us mate – we never did nuffin – just sat there.
Can’t blame us.
UKIP time.
Stabbed in the back again.
It must be UKIP now, whoever they put up.
Marget Thacher was the “iron lady” not for turning.
David Cameron is the cast” iron man” and is for turning.
Oh the Irony of it all.
At last Cameron falls on his sword cast iron lying bastard!
Today, I will give this cast-iron guarantee: If I become PM a Conservative government will hold a referendum on any EU treaty that emerges from these negotiations.
No treaty should be ratified without consulting the British people in a referendum.”
I thought he said that,lying twat.
oh well back to the drawing board,
thought he was to good to be true
at least we found out now that he is a lying twat like the rest of them.
Well that was a cast iron pile of shit.
IF he can not keep cast iron promises what about the ordinary promises.
I will give you a cast iron statment i see Cast iron dave losing some points shortley.
Hot off the press!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
“Mr Cameron promised referendums on any future moves to “transfer further powers from Britain to the European Union” if the Tories win power at the next election”
There he goes again with them promises.
Is that a solid gold promise dave.
Mr Cameron said the phrase “never again” would feature in the party’s general election campaign and manifesto
We will “never again” believe you dave.
You dont have to put it in the manifesto dave i think we will remember it for a long time to come.
whopps I might have droipped a bollock.
Yer a big bollock dave.
The biggest of your life.
That will cost you at least 10 points.
Just dont mention the word promise for a while like never.
Mr Cameron said the phrase “never again” would feature in the party’s general election campaign and manifesto.
As in we will “never again” trust you to promise us any thing !
is he having a laugh .
Mr Cameron said the phrase “never again” would feature in the party’s general election campaign and manifesto.
But dave dident you say a referendum on eu would feature in the manifesto?
So you have swopped “referendum ” for “never again” i see ,
you must think we are referenDUM.
New phrase just entered in to oxford english dictionary “Cast Iron gaurentee’
To promise some thing to every one in the country then change one,s mind.
Dont worry dave you made big of it when labour did it,so what goes around comes around.
Look dave come clean on eu policy are you for or against simple as that,
Every other political group has nailed thier colours to the mast.
or are we going to be kept in the dark forever on this, come out as they say and clear the air.
You know it makes sence,you,ll feel much better for it.
Nice try dave NEXT!