Sir Christopher Kelly Reports on Wednesday, Who Will Win?
646 of Them, or 60 Million of Us?
The spin will be intense, it will be all-party, it will be relentless. They will squeal, they will plead, they will wriggle. In the end who will win?
Guido has at times during the last 5 years fought what some political journalists thought a quixotic battle. Don’t forget the Lobby wasn’t much interested on reporting this story until recently, Nick Robinson professed total surprise when he discovered MPs could claim £400 a month tax and receipt free for groceries. Michael White has only recently dropped his oft repeated line that British politicians, unlike politicians in Europe, are uncorrupted. The Lobby knew that MPs had plenty of fiddles, but by and large didn’t rock the boat and allowed them to get away with it, even in some cases justified it, arguing that their MP mates were underpaid, good blokes who they were happy to share a taxpayer-subsidised pint with.
MPs almost universally claim to be hard done by, that needs to be nailed on the head. The above chart is an income distribution chart; most people in this country have an income of under £400 a week, in comparison MPs can make some £300 weekly in expenses alone, add onto that their salaries of £800 a week and you have a total of £1,100 a week net of tax. This is before adding on the illicit perks of the jobs, such as employing family, or just plain old fraud. Let us not forget their gold-plated pension scheme either. The total compensation package comes in at £115,000 to £125,000 depending on how you value the pension and the tax-free portions of the package. So well done to Chloe Smith, at the age of 27 with no experience to speak of, she bags an annual six-figure package, 3 months summer holiday, another month off in December and the least number of working days in parliament since universal suffrage began. No wonder why every available safe seat has hundreds of applicants. Labour MP John Mann was right when he said recently ‘We’re not underpaid. We are well paid. MPs should stop moaning about their pay levels.’
MPs will nevertheless bemoan the unfairness of the it all. It was unfair. Unfair on taxpayers and voters. Those on minimum wage paying taxes for MPs to have servants might very well question the fairness of it all. How did John Prescott end up a multi-millionaire? How did Geoff Hoon end up with a property portfolio? How did we pay for the upkeep of the estates of Tory grandees and the clipping of Nick Clegg’s roses?
An election is coming, us the employers, will renew the contracts with them, the political class. We don’t expect them to even try never mind be permitted to renew the contracts of their spouses and offspring. We don’t want to see wife-swaps, or child trafficking, we want to live in a democratic meritocracy not a nepotistic kleptocracy.
There are so many fiddles and failings to be reformed (download Disinfecting Parliament : The Shadow Kelly Report, to get all the details). What concerns Guido is that IPSA, the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority, a new quango created in a panic by the Parliamentary Standards Act in July, shows little sign of being that independent. It is headed by a civil servant with no particular track record in this area, staff are being transferred to it from the discredited fees office – the very people who failed before to stop MPs running amok in the past. The governance of the IPSA is ultimately at the pleasure of the Speaker. It is packed with politicians who will make sure nothing too drastic happens and safeguard the interests of the parasitical political class.
Who will safeguard our interests as voters and taxpayers? The Lobby? Politicians? Quangocrats?
UPDATE : Some editing above clarifying that these are post tax figures and that the typical person is the “mean” in statistical terms. Clarifications reflect co-conspirator’s comments.
The pocket money they’ve left me with is on them.
They won’t get away with a whitewash this time, there’ll be riots in the streets
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Oh please let that be true. It is needed.
Can I be in the firing squad please?? (no I don’t mean sacking stoopid-I mean SHOOTING!!)-and no blanks or blindfolds to be issued!
Well put Guido! How is it that the speaker has the power to deny the right of the electorate to know who’s flipped their homes etc? and what can we all do about it apart from the obvious?
or we’d still be putting up with this shit
One thing I just would not be at all surprised to hear of is some of the little porkers setting up reciprocal salary arrangements so as to be able to screw more expenses out of the system, i.e. “you employ my wife and I’ll employ yours”.
It will end up with “You screw my wife and I’ll screw yours”.
Nothing to do with expenses at all.
the one’s being screwed are us!
Wishful thinking imo
At least this is a start…
http://tinyurl.com/yfyudv9
Probably only grumbling in the pubs and the workplaces…
No there won’t.
Anyone read this morning about Hague troughing it with the dodgy non British tax paying Tory donor Lord Ashcroft. Seems Cameron is lining the Tory moneybags up for a foreign job in his cabinet. How corrupt is that?
Huh, that’s only a ‘2′ on my Sleaze-o-meter.
But a chink in the armour, CMD will get the anti-liebore vote, not sure there will be any cleaning up of the fraud
No-one cares.
WE don’t know this (yet) !! Do we?
Dave is one of the most bloated pigs at the trough. The second home allowance is to fund very modest accomodation within a commute of parliament for MPs whos constituencies are too far away. The allowance was not set up to buy an MP a grand house in the cotswalds. Dave as it happens already owns and lives in a house only a short bike ride away from his westminster office, so he has no need of a second home allowance anyway.
Call me Dave = Pig with snout welded to trough.
Aw, come on now Tom Watson, its not as if you don’t have your snout so far into the trough that its like you superglued it there, is it?
If Dave curbs the EU and kills the BBC he can trough till his eyes pop out.
No chance of either things,he will have to love the EU.He does anyway but is playing a get elected game.As for killing the BBC,he has no chance of that as it is too powerful and loved around the world.No I’m afraid if Cameron gets in it will be with a whimper rather than a bang.same old same old,heir to Blair and all that.
No where near a corrupt as changing the expenses for Lords to let Patricia Scotland off the hook
Is it because she’s a Dame?
http://archipelago-of-truth.blog.co.uk/2009/10/12/the-sacred-military-constantinian-order-of-saint-george-7151373/
Thought a Dame was a pantomome charater by by a man in drag, hey ho live and learn
That was unbelievably underreported.
Just think of all the legal wranglings, foot-dragging and delays normally needed to make changes – they always argue even the littlest thing has to be fully scrutinised, i.e pored over and drawn out for months, years sometimes. Except when it suits them, natch.
What about the financial implications? Surely these changes must affect other “lords”, not just a few bob to let this porkess off the hook? How was that budgeted for? Where are the expenditure proposals for how much this will cost over the next n years?
This is the single act for me which sums up the whole corruption exposure.
Patricia Scotland was not troughing like Dave Cameron. He claims squillions from us poor ones.
No he dosent and you know it. Head porkers are at the top of the Labour tree. Darling a quadruple flipper. Balls and Copperballs double dippers. Thats before we even start on Mangledbum
Come to the table with some facts rather than trolling and then we may give you some time.
So the Spin Team are still spinning away!
don’t be such a cock
he’s a trougher
suck it up accept it and don’t whine that it’s fine because other miserable shits do it too you fawning little central office toadies
Calm down, young leftie
It’s only a blog
Calm down, old rightie
You’re only senile
As bad as Tony Blair appointing chums to high places, Lord Falconer for one. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander!
At least the ones Blair appointed paid tax in this country,Ashcroft does not and yet his millions target marginals. Is that democratic?
yes it is. You really are totally naive if you think Bliar pays full tax in this country. I bet you are someone who voted for him as well.
corrupt troughing and tax dodging is fine with these partisan little shitbags if it’s thier sleazy pigs
disgusting hypocrites
Are you Margaret Beckett pretending to be ‘Hastins Jo’? God, I bet there are a few Labour MPs typing their hateful little messages on this site under aliases – typical – bloody cowards the lot of them
fuck off and take some responsibility for once
ALL Pigges are cun’ts not just the ones you don’t like dipshit
Jo, how do you KNOW that? You don’t, do you? You don’t know what they pay in tax, if anything, or where they pay it!
Dave Cameron is one of the top porkers check your facts.He is also a millionaire 30 times over so does not need our money.
No 18 – what about all the money Nu-Lieber has pocketed from rich non-doms? Are you Gordon Gonad in disguise or one of his spin meisters?
Which rich Labour non doms are these?
Excellent post Mr Fawkes. The pressure on MPs expenses and pay must now be ceaseless. The next few days and weeks will shape the pig trough for years to come. MPs know this and they will fight, squeal, plead and protest for all they are worth, they must NOT be allowed to win.
To be frank they could pay the average wage of £15,000 per annum plus real expenses incurred and there would be know shortage of wannabe MPs and the quality rather than suffering would certainly improve. As for 25% of the year on Holiday, this has to be put a stop to as well.
Well put.
4 months leave a year a year is actually 33% of the year on holiday excluding every extended weekend, Easter and half terms Nice work if you can get it. It’s more of a part time job than most part time jobs and paid at excess of full time job rates.
With Moron McSnot-Gobbler and his crew of Tonies Cronies, I think we would be in better shape if we could persuade them to work fewer days per year. But cut the salary and the expenses proportionately.
Totally agree except for the holiday pont.
I think the less time these people spend passing silly laws the better. On the other hand, if they only got a day off very time they repealed something, we’d all be a lot happier.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8336554.stm
DOES THIS OLD NAG HAVE NO SHAME???
What does she mean, you can’t say “sorry but you are redundant.”? There are nearly 3 million people who heard that very line and didn’t have a porker to rely on to pay the bills! And that is the statistic based on the people claiming unemployment. I suspect that there are a shed load more in various other pots that have been swept under the carpet.
I am at a loss with the government and the other so called main parties. I will gladly vote for the party that actually wants to put things right in this country and have the guts to go through with it!
Of course not. And no grip on reality, either.
I for one have had juuuuuust about enough of all this crap.
They continue to squeal as theyre dragged away from the swill, but the squeals theyre making now are nothing compared to whats going to happen if this shite is not fully sorted to the public satisfaction.
Oh and harman? Fuck off and iron my shirt you skanky old lezz.
No Jethro, she doesn’t! Bet these Nu-Lieber supporters don’t realise that Hapless Harriet is part of the aristocracy! May be that’s why she’s a puddled bastard – all that interbreeding – believe Lord Porn is her uncle or something like that.
Well said Mr Fawkes. The BBC and all the other “honest MPs” are all guilty by their slience. I don’t ever remember getting a letter from my MP telling me of the dangers of corruption in the corridors of the House, nor seeing a “docu-drama” about MP’s expenses on the BBC (with a phone number to call if you’ve been affected).
Actually, there is a party that was openly describing the pigging out at the parliament trough well before it was ever considered snoozeworthy by the telegraph or anyone else for that matter.
Who? Bee Enn Pee as it appens.
There was a description/scenario on their webshite about a fictional character who becomes an mp and goes on to describe all the troughing tactics in the green book of truth and the other little frauds theyve got going.
Honou’rabble members indeed.
Agreed – with your last point: 25% of the year on holiday is far too little, considering all the damage they do. Let’s limit them to not-on-holiday (in other places, known as ‘working’) for 25% of the year – and with a salary pro rata.
The Texas legislature meets only in odd numbered years, so in even numbered years the members can be in the real world.
I think there is some merit in that system as I am convinced that we have too much legislation and parliamentary activity.
Politicians could be made to do real jobs during their year out and find out how ordinary people have to cope.
Join me (and others) on November 5th outside Parliament at noon and let’s give them a 5th of November that shall never, ever be forgot.
http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/2009/10/november-5th-walk-details.html
Can we take Union Flags or is that going to cause confusion?
Of course you can.
I am me, you are you, he is him.
If they refuse to put their or the House in order without compromise the only option is for people to shun the main political parties when voting time comes around and especially target the chief troughers.
surely you don’t mean vote Esther Rantzan?
I would vote for the dog that learned to say sausages!
I did!
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I would vote for the carrot that looks suspiciously like a penis.
You are thinking of voting for my MP then?
Except, he just doesn’t LOOK like a penis.
I did too – namely pissing Charlotte Atkins! Oh the pain of it all!
Just veering off the point a little…………… who the bloody hell votes for Dennis Skinner = just can’t believe that bastard is elected every time. Eeh by gum, they must be thick as pig shit in Bolsover!
Yip, and anyone remotely like her, but NOT the existing all party political establishment. They have rendered themselves totally corrupt.
He’s so cute, I like the quiff. The dog’s dead funny.
Rockabilly ;-)
I remember watching that in the 70s and that dog still creases me up…
Great dog!
Esther the prize BBC trougher herself along with her departed husband could put some of the MP’s claims to shame.
If Esther Ranzen is the answer WTF is the question ???
How can you tell your country has been fucked up yet-again by Labour?
There is no danger of her getting elected in a constituency with a very high percentage of LM’s chums on the electoral roll.
vote bmp – that’ll give the bastard mps a shock.
It certainly fucking would!
Hang on, a couple of those might help!
Guido, I take it your income figures are net of tax, most people tend to think of gross/pre tax for income.
just hang em
And send their families the bill.
“Well said,Sir” and the matter does deserve an answer -which could be given by all three parties agreeing as part of their election manifeso`s to allow Joe and Mrs Public a vote on the Lisbon Treaty
No chance of that. Cameron had to say he would have a referendum in order to get elected as Tory leader in 2005. Liam Fox or David Davies would have got the job if Cameron had not promised a referendum. Now he’s got the leadership he doesn’t care.
Labour promised a referendum and snuck through the backdoor to sign without such a referendum. Lets concentrate on who actually did lie to the British people rather than any other party not in power as to what they may / may not do.
Raising the Cameron argument is a smoke and mirrors excecise simply to move the argument away from the true traitors. THE LABOUR PARTY
Baawwk buck buck buck cluck
Lets concentrate on who actually did lie to the British people rather than any other party not in power as to what they may / may not do.
Raising the Cameron argument is a smoke and mirrors excecise simply to move the argument away from the true traitors. THE LABOUR PARTY
I agree! Anyone who says: “Ooh, but the Tories would have done so-and-so” is just parroting the Labour Spin Line. Knowingly or not.
says the little Tory spad Parroting the Conservative Central Office Party line and Spin that anyone unhappy with Lisbon must be LieBore
nobody best tell Boris, some of his own MPs or Conservativehome
ignoramus
I mentioned the Referendum once, but I think I got away with it…
Whatever, I’m looking forward to voting in the EU Presidential Election.
Related: I posted this at the end of the last thread. It shows that whilst we pay MP’s to represent our best interests they sign off the euro treaties and laws without possibly understanding what they are voting for. The comments underneath the article are eye watering:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/6475599/The-man-who-let-us-read-the-EU-constitution.html
Before the next election we really need to know what powers our parliament will be left with.
Street Lighting and Public Bins, oh and Playgrounds!±
We shall fight them in the playgrounds, we shall fight them at the leisure centers, we shall fight them in the shopping malls, we shall defend our store cards with increasing credit…
Has it really come to this?
You wont get a vote – we NEVER get a vote on Europe since Gordon the Gonad and B.Liar came to office so don.t hold your breath
the situation is laced with irony
mainly outgoing Labour MPs, after having it good for 12 years leave new Tories in worse financial situation ( a revenge?)
and the above graph encourages politicans to be paid the average skilled man’s wage — only 8 years after the Scottish Socialist Party advocated the same — is Tommy Sheridan, Guido F
What new tories are these then – Noo Tories? – God preserve us.
Are they worse than the old Tories?
39 – Yes: they’re ‘No-Tories’
ZaNuTories won’t take no for an answer
Underpaid my arse…. I am unemployed, with fuck all, creditors at the door, constant phone calls, and they have the front to say they are on rations… canutes the lot of em….
They are pretty good ‘canutes’ though, going on past form, need some more wave power.
A bye bye? (waves)
Very droll, need a fucking Tsunami.
Amami?
62 – That takes me back: “Friday night is Amami night.” !
No, no, no! Canute (or more likely Knut) was a good bloke who has been unfairly misrepresented for years by ignorant journalists, politicians,Beeboids and bloggers. He was trying to show his court that kings have no more power over Nature than anyone else – i.e he could not command the tide. The story is there to read.
I think of each of them as ‘the Member for Tamworth’, Tamworth of course being a traditional and tasty breed of pig.
Or member for Old Spot.
Exactly. Just how ‘independent’ is IPSA?
Nothing like setting up a new Body to bury the bones of the old one, is there?
And just how open to public scrutiny will it be after all the smoke and mirrors have dissipated?
it is important that we do not fuck around here: it is essential that we, the people, assassinate every member of the corrupt Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority and abolish it.
we will then replace it with a truly independent authority made up of honest and decent citizens instead of corrupt whore cocksucking civil servants.
that may sound harsh but it is the only way to protect our democracy.
No it sounds perfectly reasonable to me
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Once perhaps a tad harsh but NO MORE.
Sounds a sound idea to me.
Seriously weird and disturbed the lot of you. You would KILL people?????
DOH!
it is not nurse ratchet it is nurse ratched you ignorant fuck.
oh and in answer to your question: yes, violence may well be necessary. it is either hangings pour encourager les autres or else we will continue have these corrupt pigs shitting on our faces for eternity.
hold on…… mark oaten, is that you? I will not be claiming my £5. don’t know where it’s been innit.
We could opt for lobotomies if you’re going to come over all sensitive about it. Though we’d have to section them to be on the safe side. Some appear to have had lobotomies already but are still evidently capable of doing damage. We can’t have that now, can we. *turns up piped lift music*
And I believe I once had to correct you re the spelling of my surname, tat.
so you have no excuse for your error, now do you nurse?
no bend over and take your punishment.
Sometimes I fear we went too far with those dom sessions we funded for you to boost your self-esteem, tat. You have become a tad grandiose. Though that said, it takes real self-esteem to admit an error.
Nursey, i dont see how you can make the connection between “people”; ie, humans, and the floating filth that inhabits the corridors of parliament.
The two are entirely dissimilar.
Oh and yes, shoot em all, theyve proven themselves to be worthless traitors to the people who entrusted their democratic freedoms with akin in my estimation to be lower than paedophiles.
Psychotic.
I am completely sane and have reports from my many social workers to prove it.
but that nasty outburst has assured you a place on the list of traitors who have betrayed the British People, professor nut.
save your insults for the gallows.
Your mouth is your problem, go wash it out
said the rimmer.
He was definitely on something last night, .and still has a hangover today poor lad
said the heroin addict.
I never tried the stuff sonny,obviously you know what it does to you.
you are a waste of time and deserved to be ignored
the junkie added.
O/T but worth blogging
Hat Tip to Plato on PB.COM
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OT The latest Cameron email. I am still yet to receive anything from either of my registrations with Labour.org – still it’s only been 3 months.
“Dear P,
This week the failures of this Labour Government were exposed across three major fronts: society, the military, and the economy.
First, society. New figures have shown that many poor families are actually better off on benefits than in work. What kind of signal does this send about what society expects of people? “Don’t strive for independence, don’t try to provide for your family, don’t try and do the responsible thing”. It’s a crazy situation to be in, so on Tuesday I announced a new policy initiative to look into the best way of tackling it.
Second, the military. As you might remember from my email two weeks ago we’ve been pushing hard against deep cuts in training for army reservists. Thankfully, we’ve now succeeded in getting these cuts stopped. On Wednesday I asked the Prime Minister to tell us what on earth he was thinking of when he proposed to cut this training when the country is at war. As ever, I didn’t get an answer.
Third, the economy. Whilst Britain now finds itself in the longest and deepest recession since records began, we learned on Thursday that the US has now joined all the other major economies in climbing out of recession and into recovery.
Gordon Brown’s claims that we were somehow the “best placed” country to weather the recession have been completely blown out of the water by the fact we were one of the first into recession, and are now the last out. Our economy desperately needs an injection of credit and confidence – and we’re only going to get that with fresh economic leadership.”
‘It’s a crazy situation to be in, so on Tuesday I announced a new policy initiative to look into the best way of tackling it.’
A ‘new policy initiative’… sounds good… ‘to look into (it)’. Oh, right. Big wow. Same old same old. There’s a election round the corner you useless windbag.
O help I don’t know what to do if they pass the ball to me. I may score an own goal or wet my pants. There’s a big bad Euro Bogey man round the corner and grandpa Ashcroft tells me not to go near him. My friend Georgie doesn’t know what to do either.He has lost his balls in the long grass. Help………………
And Brown is plotting to lose HIS Balls in the long grass, isn’t he?:
Grow a fucking pair and stop passing the buck to the dumb kid who’s heading out the door soon.
Take some fucking responsibility for your own Policies instead of merely whining about the idiots fuck-ups if you expect to be taken seriously.
Boring repetition gets you nowhere Cameron is wrong ,wrong ,wrong!
The answers (I bet)
Better off on Benefits? Remove the benefits.
Miiltary cost? Surrender and save billions.
Economy? Labour have screwed it up, let’s have a go and screw it up more (we inherited mess, no one can blame us).
Then we have drugs and education – let’s screw that up even more but sound like we know what we are talking about.
Signed: Davie.
I did enjoy being on BBC tv again this morning. Such nice people.
Did they give you breakfast? Chipolatas with the eggs ‘n bacon, I hear.
Eh ?
Prezza likes a Cumberland Sausage, one that stretches to Cumberland.
….and back.
But not as the crow flies.
We;v got to keep a very close eye on this keep up the lobbying none stop e mail;s tex phone call;s bombarde them on a daily basis
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? is an issue that was of sufficient interest at th time of Juvenal for him to write that. I’d be interested to hear the arguments against one small amendment that would in my view help: arranging for MPs to include their proposed total remuneration with their application for the job. In addition, all MPs salaries and expenses to be funded directly by the constituency. In even the most poverty stricken and squalid Labour wards, that would amount to probably less than 10p per week per person.
I really like the sound of this, TT. If you can couple it with outlawing the whips, we might get some sort of democracy back.
Guido, the ‘typical person’ shown on your graph should be labelled ‘average person’. The graph shows that the typical person receives about £250 to £300 a week. The average person receives more, because the average level of income is pulled upward by those who earn a lot more than a typical income.
‘Typical’ = ‘mode’, in statistical terms;
‘Average’ = ‘mean’, in statistical terms.
Im neither typical or average in terms of wages- im fucking poverty stricken in comparison.
Where do i sign to become an mp then?
267 -’Here, just sign …here (thank you), and again… here (thank you)… and, finally here(marvellous;wonderful: thank you so much.)’
Don’t worry about the Lisbon Treaty. Vote for Dave. If you think foxies are vermin you obviously approve of europe. We will have a free vote on the issue of xenophobic foxes.
Its about time BBC employees expenses were made public too:-
http://www.sundaymail.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2009/11/01/exclusive-paedo-operation-cops-swoop-on-bbc-high-flyer-78057-21789385/
A SENIOR BBC producer has been charged by police investigating Scotland’s biggest ********** ring.
Cops raided his offices at Beeb headquarters in London and confiscated home and office computing equipment.
The man, described as a “high-risk target”, was arrested during Lothian & Borders Police’s Operation Algebra probe.
Two men were convicted last week for sickening and systematic abuse of young children – one a three-month-old boy.
As part of that inquiry, police in Scotland traced the producer to BBC HQ in London and alerted the Metropolitan Police. He has now been charged with offences against children and is awaiting trial.
A source said: “He was at the top end of the scale of the inquiry. Information was passed quickly south so it could be acted on.”
Lothian & Borders Assistant Chief Constable Iain Livingstone said: “We referred a case involving a serious offender to the Met which involved a senior figure at the BBC.
“The individual was in a VERY SENIOR POSITION and he became apparent to us during Operation Algebra. The individual has now been charged and is awaiting court.”
Didn’t hear about this on the Beeb today :?
32 – ‘Lothian & Borders…’ That’ll be Lord Reith, then. Always thought sanctimonious right-wing people like that were probably hiding something…
Except Lord Reith died in 1971, Lothian and Borders Police are running the investigation because it is based around Edinburgh gay ‘charities’, I think it is in the public interest to know which VERY SENIOR executive at the BBC, in between directing political propaganda at the populace was deeply involved in such a vile matter.
Doh! Lord Reith was director general, not a producer — please god let it be someone from BBC News.
Not that Jimmy Savile up to his old tricks again, surely?
Jim’ll Fill It.
Who will safeguard our interests as voters and taxpayers? The Lobby? Politicians? Quangocrats?
Well, its worth signing up for the Taxpayers Alliance , and supporting them financially if you can.
The action days they hold are growing in importance – see the panic in the town hall piggies eyes, when they realise they are the targets. And their excellent research means that even the laziest of the dead tree press , can whip up a degree of indignation over the excesses of our quangocrats !
Tell me more..
http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/
Have a look.
The Taxpayers’ Alliance is a Tory Front. They are there merely to present anti-government mis-information.Don’t take them seriously.
Whilst the Labour Party is just an affront to the British people.
Not even remotely funny or clever just a pathetic Tory jibe,have you been going through every post you disagree with and making stupid comments?Well done,get a life.I could get you a subscription to Knitting Circle Weekly but it could be too taxing for you.
It has the smell of shit, to me.
Or you could just give the money to the tories and cut out the middle man.
The MPs will obviously be getting in the “good stuff” in rediness for the “Kelly Report”. Getting what you can while you can is nothing new. Over the decades MPs have benifitted from their positions quite nicely thank you. There will be lots of “huffing and puffing” but in the end the new rules will come in and then MPs will start to look for the loop holes, not a great deal will change, but things will be different, and I’m not sure this makes much sense, but most will understand.
If we were all honest we would admit given the chance, anyone would take the money by any means, aren’t we human after all, one of the ten deadly sins…greed! Many on this blog could get off their “high horses”, and get real. Nobody likes to think that their taxpayer money is being syphoned away into the possibly offshore accounts of our MPs, but if truth be told anyone who had a chance of a quick and easy buck will take it, otherwise I don’t think you would be human, and therefore MPs are really just like us, and sorry the same goes for the bankers and etc,etc,etc. But it will be good if there were some kind of reasonable limits to expenses, and fairness all round. There I have had my say, and now most of this blog can shout me down.
Sadly I fear I am missing out on 3 deadly sins. I have been working my way through the standard 7, lust being a particular favourite, and would like to have further info on the new 3 – don’t want to miss out on the fun!
Deadly Sin 8 Racialism
Deadly Sin 9 Homophobia
Deadly Sin 10 Being English.
Xenophobic foxes
True, let’s shout you down Lizzie! We don’t all crawl over the next man to get an unfair share of resources, (food, money, space, water etc). It is possible to be truthful, fair, and generous in business, work, and in our private lives. To think otherwise is to cave in to the standards of the lowest of the low!
This is what politicians have done, and that is why they are the lowest of the low. They’ve stuck together, hiding behind each other in a spineless dishonest way.
Let’s go for higher standards.
Certainly it is possible, but there is not a person in the world who doesn’t have an ugly little secret concerning doing the dirty on someone else in order to advance or enrich oneself. The difference between everyone else and politicians is they have the power to do it on a grand scale. That is why they have to be turfed out and replaced with the new troughers. Cynic? Moi?
You obviously have (a dirty little secret I mean).
What, hope you are not referring to me girl!
I think maybe you have missed my point.
fuck off lizzie you spastic. grown a spine and show some personal integrity.
thankyou.
You go girl!
Lizzie says”and therefore MPs are really just like us,”. Must disagree Lizzie. The m.p.s’ make their own rules; a perk of life not available to us.
Oh come on, get real, the perks are there ….work harder!
What perks? Like the politicians you must be in the know.
My dear in every walk of life there are the “perks”, I have no idea, neither do I care what you do if anything for a living, but, most reasonable jobs have perks, that is a fact of life, otherwise you must surely be living in an alternative universe!
said the schizophrenic crackhead prostitute.
I don’t think TAT likes women,distinct misogyny in his posts.
Lizzie: for years, I worked as a Teacher: sometimes Lunch was provided (if one was on Duty); ‘Inspection Copies’ of Books offered by the relevant Publishers might be kept (for the Department); chalk was provided (but you had to ask for it), and a few exercise-books/note-books would be allowed, for notes, summaries, records. I currently work for another well-known organisation on a ‘work for 3/7ths. of a week, and we will pay you 1/10th. of the going-rate. I get my ‘expenses of office’ paid, but as the ‘local branch’ has to pay, as well as fund Area and Regional Management, I spend a lot of my time (and money!) fund-raising!
But then, perhaps what I do is not what you would classify as a ‘reasonable job’.
Lizzie, I take exception to your attitude toward my ‘perks’. I don’t get paid by the taxes levied on the people. I am an entrepreneur. I think your meaning of ‘perks’ is financial gain. I fly by the seat of my pants, I don’t have ‘perks’ as you describe them, I employ myself, and do a job I thoroughly enjoy, and that is my ‘perk’, and I couldn’t possibly work harder than I do.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it! You remind me of that thieving lot in the HoC.
said the new labour troll.
how many women are there in the new labour cabinet, eh troll?
get your own house in order before lecturing others you fucking hypocrite.
that is for professor nutts not you barefootcontessa.
barefootcontessa is alright.
professor nutts is an arsehole though.
does that make me a manhater?
Look at the spineless way MPs have stood by and done little on the expansion of the CRB system. Why should so many be regisitered on a database?
Consider the lack of scruitiny on so many Bills.
what about the serial flipping by the Treasury Team?
Has anyone actually witnessed Brown’s repayment of his ‘Expense overclaims’?
The only way to hit them hard is to refuse to vote them into a job, or deny any of the main party your support by voting for somebody obscure.
That is if you must vote at all.
Never could understand people voting these cretins into power so said MP to turn around and rob them blind.
Just ask yourselves, Harriet Harman reassuring MPs that any recommended new rules to curb looting the taxpayer will be probably be watered down before it is implemented.
Home Secretary Alan Johnson said he thought his ex-chief drugs adviser was “wrong” on cannabis, how would he know? he is not an expert.
M P’s blundering about taking us for fools then expecting the taxpayer to pay for their excess and facile mistakes.
Wake up for fuck’s sake!
That is why they are scared of anyone else who dares poise to usurp the throne, they have been playing every trick in the book to bankrupt them or discredit them to keep the power vested between each other.
It is no coincidence the only people who have the only realisitic chance of beating Labour is the Tories.
The whole thing is rigged from the start.
Harriet has already watered down the legal requirement to stop & exchange particulars after a motoring accident.
But only for her.
We don’t care
We don’t care
We don’t care if he comes round here
We got our money in the sideboard here
Let another sort him out
cause we don’t care
Look – we were all worf it then.
I made my mint.
So I s’pose it’s only fair they make their mint now.
Cos they’re worf it.
And I’m a straight kinda guy.
Like Milliwatsit, …bent as a banana.
I like bananas so long as it is not Daniel Hananas.
And I will fuck for cash.
See how dippy I am, I cannot even spell my own name right.
But I will fuck for cash, no fucking messing.
There is a Tory cross dresser who thinks he is me and he wants to fuck someone for cash.He even spelled my name wrong and then had to come back to correct it. What a fool. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery,thank you sir.
I love messy facials and being analised.
Never mind payment I am happy to do it for free!
“no fucking messing”
Yeah, but do you do messy fucking?
You sound like a BBC producer….!
I suggest that some are peeled. 1.0 sq in at a time, once per week and that condiments of are spicy and acidic nature be applied to the raw flesh at hourly intervals by taxpayers until it is time for the removal of the next square. A rough calculation suggests that 12-15 years would be required for the ‘whole body experience’.
I believe such a sanction would rapidly bring to a close most troughing activities and provide a welcome and entertaining focus for public ire.
Parliament should be dominated by intelligent, successful people who are independent enough to hold the government to account. Without that we are an elected tyranny, the desirability of which is one thing Brown and Cameron would agree on.
Why would a successful doctor, lawyer, stockbroker, architect, engineer, accountant or businessman put themselves forward for election and risk a massive pay cut? The problem with MPs is that there are too many of them, they are not paid enough, and are therefore mostly useless.
I would have 300 MPs, each paid £150,000 a year. The public purse would be no worse off, but we would have a few more competent MPs. When an MP takes a paid government job they should resign their seat and become non-voting members of the house, answerable to it but not in control of it.
”they are not paid enough, and are therefore mostly useless.”
But that’s the common mistake you see, alot enter it to get ahead in the game of the world stage or are placed their by vested interests such as big companies and duty to country is just an after thought.
T&J – your ideas imply that MP’s should
(a) hold a worthwhile qualification
(b) have some intellectual stature
(c) have held a real job
(d) can accept responsibility for their actions
(e) can adhere to a professional code of conduct
(f) have real life experience
Your idea cheered me a little.
Then I realised it would and could never happen
Yes it can..
The following can not stand for elected positions….
1 No legal professionals, as they can work via the courts to right any wrongs they feel strongly about.
2 No one who is paid from the public purse can stand as they are civil servents and their duties are. Be civil & Serve.
Job done !
No – how can people take decisions in the interests of the people of the country when you give them pay and conditions which divorce their day to day experiences from 99.9% of those people.
People who stand for election invariably have over-inflated egos, by paying salaries 5-10 x that of most people you just exaggerate their sense of self importance and disconnect them from the reality we have to live in.
Stuart Bellend anyone?
Awww, go on, someone take him, do the people of M’bro a favour :-/
The trouble with having fewer MPs is that a greater percentage of them would be ministers, deputy ministers, junior deputy ministers, shadow ministers and so on, so there would be fewer MPs whose consciences had not been bought and sold. In any case the cost of Parliament is tiny compared with the cost of over half a million people employed by quangos. We should be less concerned with the cost of MPs and more concerned with their quality.
The problem with MPs’ scams are not so much their financial cost as the culture of deceit, thievery, conspiracy and corruption that they maintain. I would be much happier to see all MPs paid a flat £200,000 each plus absolutely no expenses, fiddles, privileges, backhanders or dodges.
Guido and the Telegraph are heroes to expose this when the rest of the media regarded it as a private joke between them and the troughers.
Easiest way out of all this that is fair, pay MPs the average salary of the middle 60% of the total of their available for work or working constituents up to a maximum cap at the top and down to UK National Minimum Wage at the bottom.
Lots of unemployed, less pay for MP. Lots employed people, higher pay for MP.
By removing the bottom and top 20% it means low numbers of unemployed and wealthy won’t affect their pay, do particulary well or badly for your constituents and it starts to hit the goody bag.
Was it Terry Pratchett’s Discworld series that had the novel idea of forcing prisoners to become MP’s to save time and money in the grand scheme of things, as all the previous elected mp’s end up breaking the law or in prison eventually anyway.
A very good idea which has already been adopted by our great police force. While they do little criminal napping, it is worth keeping them employed and on a good pension, otherwise they’d be out on the streets joining their friends and families in criminal pursuits. As it is, they slap a few ASBOS on some yobs, fill out a few forms, arrest smokers and litterers and only occasionally shoot a Brazilian electrician, run down a pedestrian while doing a ton in a 30, sell confidential data and arrest little old ladies for “hate” crimes. It could be much, much worse if they weren’t usefully employed.
94 – Ah, I’m so old, I can remember when policemen filled in forms!
Mind you, back then, politicians ’stood’ – but I suppose they’ve all since learned that it’s harder to hit a moving target.
Yep, it saved an awful lot of time.
Abolish expenses. Replace them with a SMALL pay rise this year. That way those who were milking the system get a pay cut and those who weren’t taking expenses at all get rewarded. Being able to claim rent is even more open to illicit activity and worse value to the taxpayer than claiming for mortgage interest.
Also stop Labour wasting everybody’s time going after MPs who have second jobs. If they’re interfering with their work as an MP their electorate will know about it and get rid of them; beyond that it’s nobody’s business, particularly given there are several MPs who have second jobs as Ministers that take up 90% of their time.
Employment of parliamentary secretaries has actually, in my opinion, been largely abuse-free. Of course you have the odd Conway here or there but those are matters that resolved themselves without external intervention – which, to me, suggests that in that case (and that case alone) the system works.
they shouldn’t get paid at all, other than for truly necessary expenses; public service should be an honour, not a career. If they have to employ staff then the staff should be paid, as long at they aren’t wives/children/second cousins from Uganda. That they are elected by the people to represent the people should be reward enough.
My old man was a councillor and he did it in his time after work, and didn’t get paid for it other than necessary expenses that didn’t come to much, and for the odd committee that he was on. We certainly never profited from it, and the old man never saw it as a job but a service to his home town and the people he grew up with, and wouldn’t have taken any wages from it on principle.
100% agree
If we did it that way we would only have very rich people and people who happen to live and/or work in or close enough to London as MPs.
You seem to imply that such an arrangement would be worse…….
Seeing as how mps are bought and paid for by the public ( they dont have to do that “work”) then i think youre wrong regarding whos business it is.
Theyre owned by the public and as such are supposed to be accountable to them.
If thats no ones business then i dont know what is.
All Hail (again) Precedent Bliar, the EUSSR’s biggest * * * * !!
At your enthronement – and that of yor missus, a new numbering system will be instituted as follows :
1000 Millisquits = 1 Straw
1000 Straws = 1 Brhroon (500 Brhoons = 1 MincingBum)
1000 Brhoons = 1 Bliar
other numbers will be for fat Noo_Lie_Bore slags (The Belly)
the pie-eating capacity (The Prezza)
the groping capacity (also The Prezza)
the troughing capacity (The Udder)
and announcing 3new categories :
The Quangocrat = 1000 MincingBums
The Martin = 10 Bellys (?Bellies)
The Twat = 10 HarPersons
and so on
ADDENDUM
The Value of the new Units will be in assessing relative worth and merit payments.
For instance :
1 (speakless) Martin could say ‘I’m worf 10 Bellys’
or a Bollocks could say ‘I’m worf 10 Brhroons’ – and so on.
sorry chum,
we all know what the headlines and the Expenses scandal will be remebered for
the Official Units are -
Duck Houses
Moats
A brhoon i would have thought would be some sort classic polygraph graph line for the most dangerous walter mitty types
eg “britain is best placed to weather the ecnomic storm”
polygraph produces goes into rapid spasms and blows up
OT
Home Office Meltdown live on BBC News 24.
Postie shot down by Nutt!
Advisers queueing up to resign.
Drug policy in tatters…
FREE THE WEED!
How come the Tories have got on the wrong side of this one? They support Alan Johnson who knows nothing and do not support the experts.
Labour say here is our view ( Daily Mail’s view ) on drugs now tell us what we want to hear . What the hell are they taking ?
All sorted then. Lunchbreaks over, back on your heads. Another day in fucking paradise.
When will we ever learn, it has always been like this. Always has been, always will be.
Roll on climate change, for us proles living on Britains cold streets, the warming can’t come soon enough
I would love for climate change to actually exist so this cold little island could blossom in the sun. Unfortunately it’s just another lie fed to the proles by the politicians in order to extract more taxes which means more money for them as they “save the world”.
When London is under water perhaps you’ll wake up to the fact that we are ruining our planet. The government are, of course using the situation to pull in more money for the exchequer.
And then spending it on airport expansion…
It almost makes me wish for the next ice age to kick in.
Not really dearie,keep taking your illusion pills,climate change is real.
But is not caused by humans, it is a natural phenomenan.
All we need to do to offset human caused carbon emissions is to grow more trees so the carbon emissions can be converted into oxygen.
Sorry have to correct myself ,it is caused by humans.
But I have no proof to back that up.
sorry slag, you best get aboard starship Cameron as we listened to the scientists and agree with them making it official Conservative Party Policy
Why do we now call it ‘climate change’?when before it was called ‘global warming’?
Of course Global warming has since been shown to be a total load of utter bollox so I suppose they had to change the name to retain some credibility (oh and continue to raise the taxes to pay for the banks – (A.Darling Oct 2009)
Have you seen my Windmill?
call me Eco Green Dave who rails against Global Warming
But I am a phoney.I only pretended to be GREEN to get elected and I really hate huskies.I prefer fox hounds.I also really like Europe.Wavy Davy confesses all.
Thankfully the Tories have dumped windmills — they don’t work — and are now more interested in wave/tide power and nuclear and more insulation grants… I’m most relieved thought they’d gone doolally.
Oh FFS !!!!! Stephen Fry, ( adult) threw a strop on twitter and “resigned” because someone tweeted that his posts were boring !!!! My God get over yourself mate !!
Harman is quoted as saying Kelly’s report might have to be watered down. Exactly how can Harman claim to be in favour of equality when he whole life has been one of privilege and unequal treatment?
And I agree. Fry should grown up. Glass houses and all that…
Children put in danger by Brown’s child protection law, Harman eventually gets interviewed by police, Brown backs Banana Boy for EU role, Fry witters on twitters, Harman wants expenses report watered down, cuts cause military deaths: Official, Miliband in fresh smeargate allegations, Brown’s Winter of discontent enters its Autumnal phase
It appears Harman is not for equality under the Law and whats all this Police in “Discussions” with Lawyers over this matter !!!! Just get ur arse in here pet and answer the bleedin questions !!
Some animals are more equal than others…
He must have the biggest head in the business.- (S Fry).
he could always write about his 3 month prison sentence for credit card fraud if he doesn’t want to be boring
O yeah?
yeah – google it or buy an early biography
I’m going to cry now, you just made me do it.
He needs a good cock up his arse the mardy bastard
I think that you will find a £75 per hour postboy is right off the scale.
No taxpayers were harmed.
Like l’Oreal, it was “because Guido’s worth it”.
prefer a bit of ‘old spice’ myself
Dr. Les King of the Drugs advisory group has now resigned, but the high and mighty Home Office are not going to give a ‘running commentary’ on the subject. So they say!
That’s another few thousand votes lost then! :D
* * *
http://little-object-a.blogspot.com/
Chris here I approve of the Government stand on this,David does also.
Chris Grayling is a disaster waiting to happen. On his second big faux pas.
See Tory MP Mad Nad Dorries has put her daughter on the payroll at the House of Commons.
Yes, apparently it is because you can “trust” your family more than you can outsiders. Utter bollocks. Let’s see what Fawkes goes in for with the beloved “Nadine,” who is clearly not subject to the same scrutiny/rules etc as others.
seen the knockers on her daughter? I will put her on my payroll if she gets sacked.
Hang on a minute! How many Managing Directors find jobs for their children and relatives? Answer: Lots of them!
It doesn’t mean it is right, but you can’t have one rule for MPs and another for the rest of the country. Can we?
Wo a minute, …..WE pay the wages for these ones!
We already do. Depends on what the owners of the company decide.
Are you from Tory Central Office then? Thought so .
Isn’t she the one that Guido was so supportive of this week.Seems that snow white is not so innocent after all.
The damsel in distress routine works every time. Blokes love being the knight in shining armour.
Great isn’t it?
Depends what’s under the helmet. There’s always that risk of s ‘Shrek’ moment.
Oops.
Good article : there are a number of thoughts that I like about this, and let us not forget the early stages of this battle when the government started trying to close the debate down by foul means in some cases and tried very hard to position them selves above it all , we also had the rather faux position of them blaming the bankers as well so that they didnt look so bad.
the expenses office in parliament was signing off things that had become a common understanding between mps , it was like nectar points , some mps managed to furnish there 2nd homes with investements , some bought new every year there were a number of ways of doing it . The most odious one was second home flipping wich given the property boom during the Balir years must have been very lucrative . We had all the stuff about needing things to do the job , and then the subsequent vanishing act when asked if they thought they should profit . uproar and wails .
We are perhaps at the stage when mps are thinking that they all look bad and hoping kelly will auswage the public anger , CW thinks it will take longer than that , I dont particulary want front page NOW “mp claims for broken toilet seat at £34 when he/she could got it from wickes for £29.99″ but infuture i expect expense to be broken down into accountable functions that relalte to what they do , I expect office costs to be seperate .
there is some worry about “other jobs” but again if an mp is on otherbusiness why should we not see how much time that takes up or income or expenses . “spent all week re searching the sun cream market in barbados on behalf of company wich i am a non executive director of ” is perhaps not what the public thinks is right when constituancy problems remain .
But then that makes you think of making it 9-5 with 30 days holiday wich I dont think would work ,for eample you cant clock off when a bad storm hits , i am all for mps having freedom to pursue certain causes and relate to the outside of wesminster in a less official way , its perhaps more of question of how they priortise the job they are elected and paid to do . Whilst the reputation of mps has clearly been ruined by labour turning westminster into the gratis and hospitality business , going too far the other way and turning them into roasting spits and whipping boys/girls for enetertainment will not serve us too well , although the mood is for that at the moment .
John Redwood hits an interesting vein or nerve with advisors and the problems there , where accountability has all but vanished whilst at the same time politbruea advisors have increased and in some cases seem more like the elected power . Again no problem in having talented and knowledegable specialists to present previous hidden or lost dysfuntionalities , but they in the end are exactly that “advisors” who make reports and comment and should in no way be made decison makers . (labour slight of hand)
whose victory is it then , if many mps have not served us and it gets re alaigned , then its our victory , the proles all too long oppresed by labours vanity and spiv spin . those mps who have remebered and are concious of the fact they are elected to serve have little to worry about. Those who have twisted , expenses , shown cowardice in the need for debate ,investigation and honest figures , do have a great deal to worry about. CW thinks if your ideas were no good in the first place you shouldnt corrupt parliament just to save your blushes of ineptitude !.
That’s an interesting post, CW.
I wouldnt know as its far to long a post to be arsed reading. Some people need to learn to be concise. That is all.
Yep
but?
Struggled to read all of this,too long but the point is Thatcher introduced these allowances in order to pay MP’s more without giving them a pay rise. It was all her fault in the first place. Silly moo.
Hahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahaha
I knew it!!!!! someone would blame Thatcher. You stupid ugly bitch Labour have had 12 years to change it and have only made it worse.
Jeeps people like you should not get to vote because the minimal intelligence you have is just fucking dangerous.
blair was thatcher’s heir. so there is some strength in the argument.
and cameron thinks he is the heir to bair. round and round in fucking circles.
it’s a total fucking mess innit.
look at the terrible state of the country after 30 years of conservative policy has been inflicted upon it.
the tories were followed by new labour, which was essentially conservatism in a different dress and look at the damage it has caused Great Britain.
so take your faux outrage hahaha and shove it up your arse.
you cretin.
Near the mark tat.
How do you work that one out?
So someone who refurbished her official residence No.10 out of her own pocket and never drew her prime minister’s salary for 11 years is to be tarred with the same brush you use for that study in venality, Blair?
I see only too well all these years’ of corruption have done their work.
Have you been in some sort of cryogenic sleep and been thawed out too early in a freak accident .
No ??
no medical excuse then !
Thats better a few words normally suffice, your not required to write a bloody phd on the subject CW.
another twat trying to score Party points when it’s blindingly obvious they are all at it
Broon is mired in troughing and the very existance of a reptile like Jacqui Smith proves that
perhaps if call me Dave and Broon had backed Nick Clegg when he tried to get little boy Bercow to widen the inquiry into mortgages and house-flipping I might take some of this ‘Dave is tough’ bullshit seriously
Clegg does indeed have his own troughers but he didn’t duck that
(or Duck House it)
better than “appeaeasers wife ” i suppose
Shelley knew a thing or two:
And many more Destructions played
In this ghastly masquerade,
All disguised, even to the eyes,
Like Bishops, lawyers, peers, or spies.
NAO – for the expenses. NAO could start a special MP’s office, staffed in rotation. For fun, they could even have an internal annual competition in which the best (or perhaps the worst) auditors of the year got to say Nyet or Da to these chancers.
I’d allow 1 secretary, fixed price, say 25k. (Office? what for?). MPs’ salary, fixed price, say 26k, subject to attendance/voting record. Outside jobs permitted, if the attendance/voting record is achieved. Attendance should be, what, 80% – or am I in danger of wanting to become an MP?
It’s even worse than Guido thinks. The salary alone of an MP is £64776 – almost £1250 per week
Now normally I read guido with relish, I find myself agreeing, nodding sagely and congratulating this whole blog on it’s point of view. But having taken 30 pieces of silver from an MP to deliver their legal writ how do you defend this?
http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/2009/11/keeping-it-in-family.html
If true, why not just laugh and skip outside parliament shouting “i’ve got your cash and there’s fuck all you can do about it?”
It takes the piss. In fact it takes the piss, stores it, boils it up with some dog turds and mails it to our grannys a jiffy bag, which she then claims expenses on.
So this job just became available? Just as her daughter miraculously needed a job? who set the specs? where was it advertised? who conducted the interview and screening process? what was her experience to warrant £28k?
It’s our money you lying theiving whores. Ours. We worked for it. Now stop pissing it all away and feathering your own incestuous nests.
Fuck em all, and they really really wonder why people vote for Griffin just to piss them all off.
Err, Guido is being paid by Damian McBride, not Dorries. That is what was nose rubbingly fun about it.
Guido has told Nadine she is wrong to her face and in public on this blog.
Anything else?
Yes. Was this job advertised? You mention the word “meritocracy” on your opening page. This is nepotism of the worst kind. She does it brazenly and openly. Remember that report a few months ago about fair access? People like this don’t give a fuck about others.
Let’s go back to the original £400 salary for MPs.
For starters.
If you pay monkeys you get nuts.
Prof Nutt was sacked after saying cannabis is less harmful than alcohol or nicotine.
Was he sacked for having no common sense of for not doing as he was told.
he was sacked for daring to disagree with gordon brown….and good on prof nutt for having the balls to do this .
shame the rest of the tossers in the cabinet do not have the same sperit,michael.
It is an established fact that cannabis is less harmful then alcohol. So he was sacked for not doing as he was told.
Yes, maybe so. But one joint of cannabis made me -and some of the others sharing it- feel very paranoid indeed. A round of drinks has never done that.
And smoking cannabis always gave me a nasty cough for a couple of days afterwards.
It it doesn’t agree with you, don’t use it. However, people who use cannabis are rather less likely than drinkers to take such exception to the way somebody looks at them that they find it necessary to punch, kick or stab them. This is a contest between reason and science on the one hand and a state superstition on the other.
I would ban only addictive drugs, because they enslave people, and poisons, because they lend themselves to murder.
you felt paranoid because you have something to hide, some sort of personality flaw or guilt.
deal with your faults instead of blaming the drugs that exposed them that’s news.
good cripple.
So don’t smoke it, I have spent all of a Saturday night smoking weed with the effect of much laughter, a bout of the munches and a good nights sleep. Are you suggesting the same propaganda as the government that weed is so dangerous to the individual that by its use you are a criminal, while you and your friends can enjoy a previously banned substance (USA). Try visiting your local A&E department on any Friday Saturday Night and see what an innocent round of drinks can cause. The paranoia induced by weed pales into insignificance to that induced by the government.
Did it make you trash a High Street, glass some poor sod in the face, take up valuable Police time or clutter up the Accident and Emergency rooms with a pissed brawl or your victims ?
thought not
O no my son smoked cannabis for years in his bedroom.He became a recluse was often paranoid and depressed. It is a dangerous drug.
well that is probably because you are a shit mother innit.
sorry love, but someone had to tell you.
take some self responsibility for your failure as a mother, eh?
Hahahahahaha WELL SAID TAT
hahahahahahaah Nah! Ugly bitch probably will blame it all on Thatcher Hhahahaahahahahaah
Boy this weed is good hahahahahahaaha
If you were not so Ugly he might have talked to you more, a ball point pen is dangerous if you stick it in your eye but they are not illegal…………..YET
Get him on the Bacardi Breezers and Lager love.
He’ll soon be incredibly sociable and start yelling at passers by on street corners before attacking them in a friendly sociable way
But not too many or too often. Advanced alcohol addiction often induces a really bad psychosis – IMHO worse than cannabis-induced paranoia – and it can make life miserable for other people. Also, it doesn’t go away when the drinking stops.
i would suggest that smoking a joint now and then would actually assist someone limiting their alcohol intake…..coz ya don’t feel like getting tanked up
Have you thought that he used Cannabis because he was depressed?
It’s called self-medication, it’s quite common. Just be glad he didn’t use alcohol to try and self-medicate.
Guido, this might be because alcohol is much more widely used, and over a longer term, leading to deaths from liver failure etc.
There is evidence that cannabis use, especially of the stronger variety, can induce psychotic episodes, especially in younger users.
Though you won’t usualy see cannabis users out on the streets on saturday nights fighting like demented idiots, it is not without risk, and psychiatric outpatient units have seen a rise in the number of referals for cannabis related psychoses.
Where is that evidence? Show me the numbers.
As Postman Johnson DIDN’T say
BTW the other guy who just quit was a foremost expert if chemical pharmacology and his absence cannot be shrugged off as minor by these luddite anti-science fools in the home office
it matters
third resignation expected
Guido have you had a row with your old woman?. You have made more postings today than Mick McManus ever had in his entire wrestling career.
Cannabis?
What’s that then? Last time I looked it wasn’t on the periodic table. It’s not a defined element, you don’t know what’s in it ‘cos you buy it off the corner of the street, so how the hell can you claim to know what effect it has on people?
Judgements about ‘cannabis’ cannot be scientific by definition.
Clowns
Because several million people take it in all its forms, and the deaths and violent incidents are a fraction of those caused by alcohol. It’s not advanced pharmacology, it’s just basic numeracy combined with an honest approach. This government has not distinguished itself in either area, and Cameron shows that he is weak and unprincipled by going along with the postie.
Well it can’t be that much of an innocent drug, if it made 5 bellies forget where her house was :-/
;-)
So Chris Grayling agrees with the sacking of the independent drugs advisor, what a complete and utter prick. Its interesting that both main parties want to inform debate not on facts but on the misinformed views of a political elite who inflate the price of legal more dangerous drugs, yet make criminals of those who choose to use less risky drugs.
agreed, grayling is a total fucking spastic.
Are there any of us Tories that you like? You are a traitor to our cause.
why does he need to like Tories?
Unless this is a Tory sponsored website now?
The Tories under Cameron are simply another branch of the Common Purpose, multi-cultural, NWO, political class that are already well on the way to turning this country into a fascist state.
I think it is actually,Tory sponsored that is.
What cause would that be then?
I am thick as thieves and I am totally independent of all political parties.
oh dear valley girl, you have just made a total arse of yourself.
you wanker!
No tat, valley girl is a labour troll who thinks only tories post on here. They are so far up their arse that they don’t realise the whole country hates them, not just tory stooges.
Traitors to the cause???
You’re on the wrong web site love!
646 + several thousand inner M25 arselickers, wannabes , and out and out crooks , all sniffing round the cesspit that is British politics today. I am 63 years of age and I heave never known such a low.
robert
have to agree with you. never a day goes by when something ‘else’ limits us, infringes on our freedom, informs by propaganda, at the same time the MPs and unelected peers carry on as usual. i hate them all, troughers and bastradds the lot of ‘em
To see it turn from Good to Bad is probably worse than living with it bad.
The welfare state discourages honesty. 30-40 years later we see the effects.
http://mediadecoder.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/26/cnn-drops-to-last-place-among-cable-news-networks/
CNN Drops to Last Place Among Cable News Networks
Individually, the CNN shows were beaten resoundingly by all the Fox News programs, but also lost to all of the MSNBC programs, including a repeat of Keith Olbermann’s 8 p.m. edition of “Countdown,” which beat the 10 p.m. hour of CNN’s signature prime-time program, “Anderson Cooper 360.”
Again that was a first.
Fair and Balanced beats left wing and loony. When people can choose what they see they make the RIGHT choice.
they are still retards
you could watch a pissing monkey on youtube with more viewers and more sense than Beck or yourself
Alan Johnson is facing his first real test. If he can’t handle the drug advisor situation, how on earth can he competently lead the Labour party? Could we see Ed Balls emerge as leader?
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http://little-object-a.blogspot.com/
Alan Johnson aka Postman Prat prefers to rely on media hype than scientific proof but that’s typical of the government, don’t let the facts get in the way of a tabloid headline.
Johnson got really red in the face and exercised on tv news just now. Thought he was going to have a heart attack. He’s got brains ranged against him so he’ll have to do all the spinning he can to get out of this one. Looking forward to the next resignation!
Yes, I also watched Postman Prat almost bursting a blood vessel. This man is dangerous because he comes across as affable and reasonable but in reality he is as thick as the proverbial short plank. However, as a member of the Flat Earth Society he is well placed to guide New Labour to its promised land – on the opposition benches.
Don’t believe the ‘cheeky chappie’ image. Alan Johnson is a nasty piece of work with a massive chip on his shoulder. He hates us.
they’ll actually only need a couple of stools
funnily enough the ruddy cheeked sweaty postman looked as if he’d been down one of the Taxpayer subsidised Commons watering holes for far too long for a very hefty liquid lunch
Ironic no ?
The red cheeks of an old lush, more and more intellectually out of his depth, the facade has cracked,
Very pessimistic signal from his poppy
Another 7 months of this sameful car crash
Did the gorgon put him in place so he could manipulate him? On this one (drug fiasco), I think he probably had a blazing row with Dr. Nutt, and in the heat of the moment told him to get stuffed. Now he’s learning the error of his ways, and from actually seeing him get so over heated on the tv this afternoon think he probably lost control – a bad thing in a minister, and he certainly shouldn’t be in the post of home secretary!
The anger has also been recently displayed by Gorgon and Straw, not a rational mind set!
No problem getting hold of my pills. They’re even more dangerous.
Looks like TaTs favourite is busted.
the I.P.S.A. should be made up from a random group of the public…like a jury,we would then get a proper view of the wishes of the voters,michael
Far too good an answer sir. Would you like to join us at the EuroMPs Christmas Ball for some dinner and conversation? We are a friendly bunch and have contacts in all sorts of funny places. You’ll enjoy it and you can help influence other members at your leisure.
thank you,but i live in spain,do you have contacts in this “funny” place ?,michael.
Surprise , surprise . According to The Mirror , Nadine Dorries has given her daughter , Jennifer, a job in her office on a 28k salary .( This is the one she bleated about in the Commons , just graduated, can`t find work )
Well I suppose someone had to employ her.
And nepotism never, ever happens at the Mirror. Oh, dear me, no!
fuck off with your excuses
Mad Nads is a PIGGY
a Porkbuster par excellence
we all know it
£28k seems quite a lot of money for a new graduate in their first job. What on earth is she doing to justify that sort of money?
If Jennifer needs a job, I’d be happy to give her one.
Dear Guido
This week the failures of this Conservative Oppostion were exposed across three major fronts: society, the military, and the economy.
First, society. New figures have shown that many poor families are actually better off on benefits than in work. What kind of signal does this send about what society expects of people? “Don’t strive for independence, don’t try to provide for your family, don’t try and do the responsible thing”. It’s a crazy situation to be in, so on Tuesday I announced a new policy initiative to look into the best way of tackling it.
Second, the military. As you might remember from my email two weeks ago we’ve been pushing hard against deep cuts in training for army reservists. Thankfully, we’ve now succeeded in getting these cuts stopped. On Wednesday I asked David Cameron to tell us what on earth he was thinking of when he proposed to cut this training when the country is at war. As ever, I didn’t get an answer.
Third, the economy. Whilst Britain now finds itself in the longest and deepest recession since records began, we learned on Thursday that the US has now joined all the other major economies in climbing out of recession and into recovery.
David Cameron’s claims that we were somehow the “best placed” country to weather the recession have been completely blown out of the water by the fact we were one of the first into recession, and are now the last out. Our economy desperately needs an injection of credit and confidence – and we’re only going to get that with fresh economic leadership.
Yours in the struggle
Gordon Brown
It won’t matter what you say the people will still “hate you”, and you are not their “Hero”, sad but true. Resign now or face a humiliating defeat in a general election.
David Cameron, has said that countries must work together to get a deal on climate change at December’s UN summit in Copenhagen.
Speaking at the Major Economies Forum, David Cameron called on world leaders to attend the summit – stating that there was “no Plan B” and that “business as usual” would not be enough.
With the Conservative’s, the UK is already among the world leaders in developing low carbon energy, supporting energy efficiency and working to secure international agreement on tackling climate change. The Conservative’s ground breaking Climate Change Act made Britain the first country in the world to put ambitious long term emissions targets into law.
In contrast, Labour’s rhetoric is undermined by their action – they have pledged to scrap the planning reforms which the Conservative’s have put in place to bring forward major low carbon energy projects, while Tory councils have rejected 60% of proposed wind farms.
Davis Cameron said:
“In every era there are only one or two moments when nations come together and reach agreements that make history – because they change the course of history. Copenhagen must be such a time. There are now fewer than fifty days to set the course of the next fifty years and more. So, as we convene here, we carry great responsibilities, and the world is watching.
“If we do not reach a deal at this time, let us be in no doubt: once the damage from unchecked emissions growth is done, no retrospective global agreement, in some future period, can undo that choice. By then it will be irretrievably too late.”
Gordon, you only have 37 days to save Earth and rescue Dale Arden! Do not think your puny Milli-band death ray can help you!
Evil cackle! Evil cackle!!
I think Gordon would be more interested in saving Dale Winton.
Sorry, but I am not into minge.
Global warming is a scam to frighten us all to death and tax us to buggery. Doesn’t Cameron realise that or is he in on it?
He’s BluLabour, one of the two Brands of the rent-seeker party.
Of course he’s totally signed up to every bit of state thievery and slavery.
How many clues do you need?
Global Warming Scam
EU Referendum
House Prices
NHS
More Fox News brilliance as soon as I can copy & paste it!
Just for you, I looked up an article about a Fox NEWS hating paranoid nutbag.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1009/28949.html
Just for you, I looked up an article about a Fox NEWS loving paranoid nutbag.
http://crooksandliars.com/david-neiwert/glenn-becks-sobbing-secrets-revealed
Off course he’s in on it, he’s not going to do away with the excuse to tax us even more heavily, it’s easy money.
The EU has promised that £90 billion will be handed over to corrupt governments in the name of climate change bribes. This country will be the one having to divvy up most towards it ( as per usual ). How would he get that if he told the truth?
The same with tobacco duty – lung cancer is only caused by smoking, it has nothing to do with living in areas of heavy industry, or the fact we all grew up with open fires in our homes!
Just think, if the government came clean, they wouldn’t be able to charge £4+ tax on a packet of fags.
It’s easy money, obtained by deception so that our government can hand it over to the EU.
Simples!
Not as daft as it sounds, New Labour like to pretend they have been in opposition for the last 12 years, everything goes pear-shaped but its always somebody else’s fault. 50 days to save the World FFS.
Yes what happened to that, Brown has been a liitle busy promoting Tony Blair for Eu President! Laughable really, one must shedule priorities I suppose.
Yeah “50 days to save the world” what juvinile spad came up with that one, was it Kirsty ???
. . . er . . that would be the struggle against reality wouldn’t it?
a few more helicopters and we’ll be fine for another 5 years of carnage in Afghanistan
Regarding our noble MP’s only working for 65% of the year – is their £400 “food allowance” for each of the full 12 months?
Our food bills go up during the hols because there are less freebies. Be fair!
I got my house in a BOGOF deal paid by you lot. Sadly only one bathplug that Richard has just lost somewhere.
Three or four will be criminally prosecuted but not J.Smith, so said Elfyn that Plaid Cymru bloke on last week’s Question Time.I wonder who these extra dodogy MP’s are?Anyone really know?
Regarding last weeks QT, I was surprised just how far up liebours ar*se Jo Brand was – doesn’t she look different without her wig?
http://little-object-a.blogspot.com/2009/11/harman-hints-at-expenses-whitewash.html
We MUST all email our own MP and ask where they stand on expenses. No answer must mean no vote
have actually done that and asked for explaination of the tendency for MPs and peers to be above the law – I’ve received a deafening silence
Just bought my fireworks for Nov. 5th Guido!, interestingly its called the LIBERATOR, barrage pack, 310 shots. hmmm! 310- minus 646 comes to…
Call on me dear boy, – I’m ready to help anyone with a sound cause
Does it come with a safety lighter?
Prof Nutt says “ H Bomb not as dangerous as 50p Sparkler”.
I think he said 50p sparkler not as dangerous as H bomb. Close but no prize.
Safety features are built in – as per H&S decrees – ie notices advising wearing of goggles and ear protectors.
Oh and no smoking (of the baccy that dare not say it’s name)
‘ere’s one who don’t give a toss.
A controversial Tory MP at the centre of the expenses scandal has put a second daughter on the public payroll.
Shameless Nadine Dorries has handed just-graduated Jennifer an estimated £28,000-a-year taxpayer-funded job in her Commons office – weeks after complaining that the girl couldn’t find work.
MPs will be banned from employing family members under reforms following the expenses scandal. But Dorries, forced to apologise after revelations about her expenses, took on 22-year-old Jennifer before the new rules came in.
Eldest daughter Philippa, 24, has also previously worked for the Mid-Bedfordshire MP.
Don’t slag off Nadine. She’s a mate of Guido and Dale.
Now, now!
she has to fund her headcase Lawyer from somewhere
The witch hunt against MPs in general will undermine democracy. It will weaken parliament – handing yet more power to governments. Branding a whole group of people as undesirables led to Hitler’s gas chambers.
Gas chambers for MPs, what an excellent idea, can I watch them slowly choke to death?
We should find out if it is possible to extract energy from these bloated non-entities. Wouldn’t want all that fat going to waste.
First they came for the MPs then they came for the Bankers..
but if you dont have them how do you remind them to behave ??
What better way to remind them to behave than the threat of a gas chamber.
No Mr Wiltshire no-one standing up and saying NO is what led to the Gas Chambers, the decent into barbarity was insidious and we are sleepwalking into it again .
Exactly.
And the people who we elected to keep the government in check, guard our hard-won democracy and sovereignty, have sh*t on us. They have lined their pockets and allowed our country to be carved up by a ruling elite in Brussels and elsewhere.
The cattle trucks were loaded and administered by complient civil servants, keeping their heads down for fear of rocking the boat.
Well we need to start rocking it now before McBust starts holding open-air rallies and pushing a load more Statutory Instruments through Parliament without debate or consent.
If it wasn’t for their universal Halitosis I might want to wear a string of MPs teeth round my neck. Maybe melt down their mercury amalgam fillings to make an EU approved low energy bulb?
Due to their universal ugliness a MP-skin lampshade is probably ill-advised.
How dare people who know what they’re talking about – scientists ‘n the like – tell people the truth – or, even worse, – say that we – the Gummunt – don’t know what we are talking about!!!!
Cor, blimey guv, – they’ll be telling us we’re no good next!!
And in this Sociashitist Paradise, that can never be!
I mentioned it one but I think I got away with it…
whats a ‘Referndum?’
Something you chickened out of Mr Cameron
err think that sould be Mr Brown chickened out of. Cameron has never been in any position to enact such a referendum but it suits Labour trolls to muddy the water otherwise of course.
If Liesbon has been ratified with the aid of the Labour traitors a referendum is no longer valid. If not then we get one when Cameron is elelected. Until elected he can do nothing.
Simples!
So call me Dave is helpless and can’t announce any Policy of his own?
Or is he so weak he can only copy Brown in refusing to have a referendum? Either way he is a coward who could easily say I will have a referendum but hasn’t got the balls to do so.
What Law stops him from promosing a referendum or having one?
Or is it just fear of Ken Clarke?
What Law stops him from Abrogating Lisbon off the back of the massive public support a Referndum would give him ?
None.
The excuses are pathetic because Brown didn’t force Dave not to promise a referendum or have a policy on it.
Blaming it all on the barking mad loon who is only in Downing Street for a few more months won’t wash.
The British people want a Referndum.
If Dave bottles it like Brown did then he’s no better.
then fill your boots and vote UKIP then if you feel that strongly about it though they will also never be in a position to offer you a referendum either. Of course by voting UKIP you stand a very good chance of allowing Brown back in by default and of course then you won’t get a referendum anyway.
Of course something as obvious as that will no doubt escape you which given the fact you attack someone who is not in power rather than the one that lies does not really surprise me. You are simply doing the job of the traitors party for them.
Simples (or in your case maybe not?)
Vote Cameron get Blair
Seemples!
Brown couldn’t win if Dave’s entire election strategy consisted of him farting into a microphone for 6 weeks
So no, trying to scare people won’t work
As for missing the bleeding obvious,
“the fact you attack someone who is not in power rather than the one that lies does not really surprise me.”
“the barking mad loon who is only in Downing Street for a few more months”
That’s an attack dingleberry, that you don’t have the brainpower to recognise it as such is hardly surprising for a little Party hack like yourself with no mind of his own who can only parrots spin and keeps on message like a good little drone
who leaked my election strategy???
Guido asks “In the end who will win?”
What defines victory, Guido?
Absorption into the EU without a referendum – a loser?
Pigs stay at the trough regardless? – a loser?
Nobody in the meeja wanting to talk about Neather? – a loser?
Cameron being rather backward in coming forward? I can’t believe I am writing this – a loser?
Everyone and his dog crapping on the bee ‘n pee whilst SNP, Welsh Nats, Sinn Fein, SDLP and all the rest are our big mates? – a loser?
All this twaddle about Millliband. Look, the Frankfurt School were planning something like this from the 1930’s onwards weren’t they? – a loser?
To cut this short, there will be no victory, because there is no plan for victory. It is a series of losing skirmishes on a battlefield of someone else’s choice. The opposition don’t mind, because they have planned THEIR victory, meticulously, over the last 70 years.
Something overwhelming has to happen to give a victory to our side. Can you imagine what that has to be?
EXACTLY, our political class are infected with the desire to maybe slow down the decline of this country.
This country could bounce back very quickly if the people were freed from this metastasising state (Westminster & EUSSR tumours).
Meanwhile, Labour and their multi-culti conspiracy are getting slaughtered over at the Sunday Times. Read the comments for a real eye-opener:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/minette_marrin/article6898174.ece
Looks like the backlash against Labour, political correctness, multi-culti diversity bollox etc has got underway with a vengeance
The comments are pretty forthright.
How come this is not a bigger story? This is gerrymandering of the first order and something the Westminster council was slaughtered for a few years ago. That incident though pales into total insignificance compared to this apparent attempt to either gerrymander the vote or destroy the culture of an entire country.
Peter Hitchens addresses the issue in today’s Mail on Sunday….
“The slow-motion New Labour putsch that swept our nation away”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1224335/PETER-HITCHENS-The-slow-motion-New-Labour-putsch-swept-nation-away.html#ixzz0VcmRiWVS
I’m not insignificant
Excellent piece, more and more people getting into the conversation, MSM can not ignore story if it is kept alive on Blogosphere
That’s why David Cameron has promised to put a stop to all immigration as soon as he gets in number 10
hasn’t he ?
****SKY BREAKING NEWS*****
A second member of the Government’s Advisory Council for the Misuse of Drugs has resigned, She is Marian Walker pharmacist and clinical director of Berkshire Healthcare NHS Trust.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20091101/tuk-a-second-member-of-drugs-panel-stand-45dbed5.html
Oh dear! not good for Postman Twat
He’ll be OK after a bucket or 3.
Never mind I still love him !
What’s Gordon on, is it class A, B or C? or all three!!!
I see that stupid cow Harriet Harman argued on the Andrew Marr show this morning that it would be unfair to make MP’s wives et al redundant as a result of the Kelly Report.
She must be living in cloud cuckoo land…does she think it is unfair for about a million people to have been thrown out of work in the past 18 months?
What has happened to that cheating Hoon Elliott Morley? Another story that has been kicked into the long-grass. He is Honorary Vice President of the Association of Drainage Authorities so should be flushed down the drain of corrup politicians!
Rules and redundancy are only for the little people
And bit by bit,thread by thread,stitch by stitch – the Labour Party is coming apart at the seams.
I have a pair of favourite jeans that are literally coming apart at the seams – I shall have to throw them away.
RIP favourite jeans.
Good riddance to evil rubbish to the Labour Party.
They will not make the May 2010 election – it is simply collapsing.
You ask how Prescott became a millionaire?
Google: dustbingate.
I see Alan Johnson made a complete twat of himself on the Adam Boulton show today. Whoever thought that such an ignorant, petulant, bad-tempered oaf could be PM?
Er, that makes Johnson seem eminently qualified to carry the standard after Gordo……
(Another great post, Guido – thanks. Please keep up the pressure.)
Yes – just watched it – getting redder and redder in the cheeks as Boulton taunts him endlessly.
And when asked if he feared that more advisers would follow and resign,he said that he hoped not – put your seat belt on Johnson – things are about to get very unpleasant for you.
Johnson has hidden away since being made Home Secretary,letting the feral scum run riot on the unpoliced streets etc – now it’s his turn to feel the red hot heat of the public hatred for Brown’s Labour.
He’s got spooky hands too.
Absolutely Marv,
Squawking in anger and incapable of containing his petulance! What a stupid pillock he is!
He really is a loser, and frankly has been put on the rack rather too late – so now we’ve unfortunately got a few more months to watch his continued failure at grasping anything which really matters. Totally unsuited to anything serious I;m afraid.
Is he in a safe seat – or was he?
He’s been hiding out for weeks, terrified that he’d slip on a banana skin before he could get a shot at the top job. He’s slipped.
Don’t worry the BBC will be packing the porky bastards. Why? Because the scum at the BBC know they are next on the list with their expenses and fat pay packets.
!00% on the money.
The slimy thieving scum at the BBC are criminal trash. They are literally, as thick as thieves, with the corrupt animals in parliament. BBC lying propaganda has covered up the thieving of the filth in parliament for decades (so the trash at the BBC can thieve all they can grab).
Be Fair they were probably all coked out their trees at the time
I wonder how much of the 3.5 billion AlJaBeebya extorts from the public is “invested in Columbia”?
Nadine Dorries? It was a stitch up from the start. The previous MP for Mid-Bedfordshire had only just survived a deselection vote before he decided to stand down. At that point Central Office starting putting real pressure on the local Tories. Dorries was the Central Office choice, of course, and she was parachuted in to the safe seat.
But it gets better. Dorries’ kids were classmates at Ampleforth College with the children of one Trish Morris, whom Dorries got to know very well. Trish Morris, say you? Why you might know her as Baroness Morris, vice-chair of the team of Tories in charge of candidate selection and now shadow children’s minister. What a coincidence!
And it was all done oh so quietly. And she tells all and sundry how hard she worked etc. And Guido and Dale simply forgot to mention this. . . So those of you wondering how she can employ her daughters as she has done can look no further. She is oblivious to the way things work for the rest of us. The filth, of course, is piled so high that it defies description.
Still think you are living in a democracy?
Someone get me a date with Nadine Dorries or one of her two daughters
Been there got the t-shirt
Alan Johnson made a right twat of himself in the Sky News interview – there’s no way he’ll be the next LieBore leader. So with Miliband ready to scuttle off to Europe I reckon its a toss-up between Balls and Harman, and either way that means total annihilation for LieBore!
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http://little-object-a.blogspot.com/
But dear Harriet said this am on tv that ‘David Milliband would be going nowhere! …. he was doing far too an important job in the Foreign Office’.
Isn’t it funny the way three of the main candidates to replace Brown have all made idiots of themselves in the past week or so: Straw, D. Miliband, and Johnson.
I suppose that leaves the way open for a battle to the death between Balls and Harman.
Meanwhile, Labour come under furious attack in today’s Sunday Times:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/minette_marrin/article6898174.ece
Minette Marrin is spot on, and so are most of the comments!
David Lammy will be the next Labour leader. Anything else is just racism.
Henry VII.
Quite an outpouring for The Times.
All they need to do now is stop writing and start doing.
Indeed. Time for action before it’s too late.
This backlash has legs.
Yes and Speccie posters are incandescent because Speccies new editor Fraser Nelson (who got off to an excellent start deconstructing Brownian economic treachery) has turned his pert little Scotty nose up at the issue of Mozzie-creep, dismissing Neather as beneath interest.
Shortsighted Prat! Farewell Speccie.
So depressing.Has there ever been such a mediocre line up in the history of English politics?It’s enough to turn you to drink and drugs.Professor Nutt’s advice looks the best to follow.
Don’t you mean drink and fags?
Where’s the soap?
Bend over and pick it up, you nonce.
Clip of the interview with sky is here:
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/video/Alan-Johnson-Defends-Decision-To-Sack-Professor-David-Nutt/Video/200911115428276?lpos=video_Article_Related_Content_Region_2&lid=VIDEO_15428276_Alan_Johnson_Defends_Decision_To_Sack_Professor_David_Nutt
Guido – can you confirm whether or not the Sinn Fein lot have been claiming their £24,000 p a whilst not attending Westminster on ‘principle’?
I heard some time ago that there are 11 of them, and if it’s true it does point to a level of hypocrisy that is extraordinary, even for them.
It would also add up to 11 x 24 = £264,000 a year of taxpayers’ money.
Anthony Steen.
Bloody hypocrite!
“It was the opposition which voted through the freedom of information act”, Who the fuck voted these people into office?, like Michael Winner on acid.
We’ve got SIX properties now !!!
They will win of course Guido. The facts jave never been fully investigated or exposed by the media. The Telegraph reported yesterday that Ian Kirkbride, brother of notorious MP Julie Kirkbride, has lived free of cjarge in luxury accommodation at our expense for the past FIVE years. He has done so for TWELVE years/ The Kirkbride scandal is bigger than any other MP – McNulty`s £60,000 is a mere trifle – and the press pays no attention to it, even Cameron has approved her candidature again despite the fact that she has resigned once. More thorough investigation needed!
So. You’re saying that conservative MP’s should be investigated first? McNulty’s £60,000 is NOT a mere trifle, and Kirkbride’s claim should also be invesitgated fully.
They’re all at it!
Yes they are all at it. The point about McNulty`s £60,000 is that it is a mere trifle IN COMPARISON with Kirkbide`s antics. Of course it is not a trifle in itself but in comparison with Kirkbride it is a trifle.
Just read Minette Marrin’s article re Neather.
Well, what’s the problem? What was done by the hand of Man can be undone by the hand of Man. Right? Oh, I see. Spavined politicians can’t be arsed. But, folks, NuLabour were arsed, so to speak, and got away with it. So, turn the immigration clock back to 1997 quite legally, act of parliament and so on. Goodbye to everyone who doesn’t meet the criteria of the law.
It has been done legally before – Nigeria expelled all illegal Ghanains. I was there at the time, worked OK.
There’s only one party that will do what’s necessary and, sadly, it ain’t the Tories.
The leftist mob antifa (anti-fascist action) seem to think the Tories might take firm action on immigrants. They have threatened to “target any Tories who try to make political capital out of Neathergate”.
Perhaps Cameron is the iron fist in the velvet glove?
More like a limp wrist in a mitten
LMFAO!
nicely done
Perhaps Cameron is the limp wrist leading to the velvet glove?
Limp wrist leading to hand in till.
SNAP !!
Fucking make the bastards dissapear overnight and drop them in Africa in packs via a Hercules or two borrowed from the forces in Afghanistan, then they can live with their precious immigrants and find out how the rest of us feel as we slowly become a ethnic minority throughout the country and within the world.
Or publish all their details online like what happened to Griffins lot and we’ll see how brave the marxist rat students are then. When they haven’t got the anonymity of the internet to protect them.
If it is good enough for the far right, it is good enough for the far left.
Even better drop all of them in Waziristan so they can cosy up to their terrorist boyfriends and then we can all have a good laugh as the Pakistan Army and villagers against terrorism forces blow them up.
Offer the African governments 5 grand for each antifa they take off our hands, it’s a dip in the ocean of the dole money they will have or eventually claim throughout their druggie lives from us in the UK.
So we will save a packet in the long run.
The Africans can use them as slave labour, landmine sweepers, feed them to the lions whatever they please it’s a win win deal for them.
Was that with or without a parachute?
They have threatened to “target any Tories who try to make political capital out of Neathergate”.
Lets target them instead. Lets hunt these scum down and give them a dose of their own medicine. I am done with these scumbags making threats if they want a fucking war then bring it on.
Here’s the website of Antifa UK.
http://www.antifa.org.uk/nucleus3.32/nucleus332/
Why not tell them what you think of them.
These people – the foaming at the mouth leftist extremists are utter scum and as bad, in their own way, as the mentalist Bee En Pee ranters.
They seek to silence all discusion by screaming “racist”, a bit like the “white trash” they so often look down on for standing outside courts and screaming “paedo!” at the prison vans carting off a child molester.
load of new bishops lining up to take their place in the unelected house of lords – all for our benefit, in the best possible taste
http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/gloucestershireheadlines/Bishop-appointed-House-Lords/article-1471664-detail/article.html
I was always under the impression that politics and religion were not to be mixed.
Can I smite them?
“Don’t axe MP spouses, says Harman” – here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8336554.stm
Excuse me – which party in Government was persecuting Artic Systems because it was a Ltd company comprising a husband and wife team and the IRS were saying it was “tax avoidance”. Artic Systems won the case, by Mentalist is still planning to introduce legislation against a husband and wife being directors of a limited company engaged in personal services.
These f’wit socialists are such damn hypocrits!!!!!!!!!!!
…it’s the right thing to do….!
They are crying because the spouses would have to go out and get a real job instead of boosting their gravy train claims.
Chris Kelly was always seemed like a very genial chap when he presented “Clapperboard”. I don’t think appearing on kids’ show is going to prepare him for the amount of dirty tricks that MPs are capable of though. He’s certainly got his work cut out this time.
Hello there
I hope you don’t mind me writing in but you may be the only people who can help me. You see, I’m the new MP for the constituency of Less Than NoHope in the county of Oxfordshire. It’s a rural community with very few public services but a lot of cows and trees. I don’t see many people, only when in Westminster, which is where your help comes in. I’ve got this expenses form and I don’t know how to fill it in you see.
There’s no one in parliament that I know to ask yet as I’ve only been there a few times. I’m busy getting my family to help me set up an office, with staff and a pet dog, for company. I find animals are so rewarding and relaxing. In fact I can only be myself when I’m with the dog. It’s a confidence thing. However, please, please, please can anyone help me fill in this drat form?
Suck some cock and get a peerage they don’t bother with such formalities.
From the Mail on Sunday:
Mr Brown’s supporters said he views Foreign Secretary David Miliband as ‘lightweight’, Home Secretary Alan Johnson as ‘lacklustre’, Deputy Labour leader Harriet Harman as ‘a disaster’ and his protege, Schools Secretary Ed Balls, as ‘too aggressive’.
A leading Brown ally said: ‘Gordon knows things haven’t gone as he hoped and how tough things are going to be between now and the Election. He has said he would step down tomorrow if he thought anyone else could do any better.
‘But he thinks the ones who want the job most have very little to offer.’
HAHAHA
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http://little-object-a.blogspot.com/
Pull the other one! The gorgon thinks the world of E Milliband!
It’s not mutual, I can assure you.
I like your blog, I also enjoyed Dark Night of the soul as well, if you where a woman i would profess my love for you.
you are
The Mail Sunday or Daily is a complete and utter no brain area. Do yourself a favour and wean yourself off it.Join the often publicised campaign,’Hide The Mail’ under any other newspaper.
If it trashes this government, I don’t care if it’s the fucking Beano……..sorry, I meant the Daily Mirror.
The Beano is far superior to the Mirror.
And Tom and Jerry are far more intelligent and much more entertaining than maguire and mcbride.
Oi hands off the Mail (D and S)
It smacks the marxist b*stards ruining the country and it smacks them hard, buy the rag its good medicine.
I enjoy the Daily Flail, full of crap, but constantly bashes newlabour, and I like reading Littlej’s articles sometime, and Quentin Lett’s always.
Quentin Letts is brilliant. Superb writer. Would like to see him given even more space.
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That’s rich coming from the gorgon!
You have to wonder where he gets the bare-faced cheek!
Who’ll win?? This pair of jokers and their respective handlers:
http://www.davidicke.com/images/stories/November%202009/alastaircooper.jpg
My decision not to contest the forthcoming election was made in order to avoid bringing further violence to a land already scarred by years of strife.The tribal loyalties and alliances that exist there make free and fair campaigning next to impossible.Straying into the wrong area can be very dangerous. Added to this,the rampant electoral fraud and vote rigging,cast serious doubt on the veracity of the result.So it is with regret that i withdraw from the Glasgow North East by election.
aint life shit lad.
JULIE KIRKBRIDE IS THE WORST OF THE LOT AND SHOULD BE PROSECUTED!
Sadly she`s got away with it and now Cameron wants her to be the candidate for Bromsgrove again.
Share the goss what has she done our Julie?
Er- I think her and her husband were both claiming expenses for the SAME second home. The cheating shysters.
He stepped down but she’s another cling-on.
Best she doesn’t stand next time. If she does there is a strong tide of public opinion against her, so like gordon she will have to take the rejection of the electorate.
The biggest expense fiddlers are capital gains tax dodgers and property flippers like Alistair Darling and Hazel Blears. Also crooks like Elliot Morley, Ben Chapman and Chaytor who claimed for mortgages that didn’t exist.
Notice that they’re all Labour which is hardly surprising as their boss Brown claimed thousands of pounds to give to his brother for a cleaner who was supposedly earning as much as a bank manager.
Yes there is no question that the biggest and most prolific and most troughers have been labour. Not just MP’s but also Lord’s. Udd++n and Sc++tland and Taylor etc etc.
Nonetheless that does not mean that the tory big-time troughers, and she is one, should be allowed off the hook.
We need a tory party in power that is not tainted by the worst offenders in it’s own ranks.
There must be a cleansing and she must go!!
“Best she doesn’t stand next time. If she does there is a strong tide of public opinion against her, so like gordon she will have to take the rejection of the electorate.”
Ooh, I’m scared.
She’ll have to wear a suit of armour.
“Yes there is no question that the biggest and most prolific and most troughers have been labour.”
so that’s why Dave didn’t have the guts to call for an inquiry into mortgages and second home flipping
obvious innit?
Not true that the biggest troughers are Labour,check your facts. Brown paid his cleaner more than the minimum wage so got in trouble because he was paying her too much.Cameron the multi millionaire has claimed loads much more than Brown.
You are all wrong. Julie Kirkbride IS the biggest trougher of the lot, of all parties. Look at the facts!
Hah! Militwat is in transit to Moscow. He can check out VI Lenin’s mortal remnants and get some tips for Snotty’s election makeover.
Yep, he is heading towards a country that has poor regard for him and is going to give him a hostile reception.
The only place he seems to be ‘well regarded’ is the EUSSR (not).
gordon thinks he’s a ‘lightweight’ – How true
India thinks he is too arrogant, young and naive for his job.
p++kistan thinks he’s an idiot and not worth listening to.
russia thinks he is a very poor/weak foreign secretary and does not intend to give him a very good reception.
the poles and latvia have been offended by his crass attitude.
A mini gordon then rather than a mini bliar.
But in the meantime Quangos cost £1,000,000 in expenses. Including membership of a Pall Mall club for a Quango chairman!
How much DO Quangos cost us?
But if the MPs set the example they have, how can the expect anything else?
As an add on to a comment I made a few days ago – and relevant to this thread,- I have procured a horsewhip, which I fully intend to use on any scumfuck politician when he ( or maybe she) comes a-canvassing next spring. Can’t wait!! (Already have camera arranged to record event).
Slash, slash, whip, whip, squeal thieving piggy squeal!!!
So that you don’t miss
I might suggest this instead
Revealed: How Tony McNulty’s ally ‘helped limit his fine to just £14,000′
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1224444/Revealed-How-Tony-McNultys-ally-helped-limit-fine-just-14-000.html#ixzz0VdiMppfm
I might have guessed a solicitor would feature in this somewhere. Sophist c unt !
That’s quite appalling!
It’s a shame. John Mann is one of the best MP’s labour has got. And I rather think even he is going to lose his seat in the swing at the next GE.
That will be a great pity as labour needs to hang on to the few decent MP’s that they have
Agreed- I’ve been impressed by John Mann too.
Unfortunately he seems far too honest and straightforward to progress
under this government.
You’re easily impressed!
Am I really?
If Mann is one of the “good guys” then how come he still supports Gordon Brown and his scorched earth policy?
yes you are rp, and your petulant reply suggests you’re also a bit of a tosser
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/john-mann-mp-kelly-is-a-takeitorleaveit-solution-1810921.html
John Mann (Labour MP) fought for the exposure and transparency of MP’s salaries,pensions and expenses long before they made it into the public domain.
He has taken much abuse from mp’s of all sides because of it but has never wavered in his view.
He is a good MP and a decent human being. And I hope he get’s re-elected next time but I suspect with the big swing that’s coming he will not.
His fellow labour MP’s should have listened to him because he was right and they were wrong.
ALL MPs should have listened to him not just the Labour twats
Yes Nell, he appears to be one of the good guys.
If John Mann is one of the “good guys” then how come he still supports Gordon Brown and his scorched earth policy?
Voting record (from PublicWhip)
How John Mann voted on key issues since 2001:
* Voted moderately for a transparent Parliament.
* Voted moderately for introducing a smoking ban.
* Voted very strongly for introducing ID cards.
* Voted very strongly for introducing foundation hospitals.
* Voted strongly for introducing student top-up fees.
* Voted strongly for Labour’s anti-terrorism laws.
* Voted very strongly for the Iraq war.
* Voted very strongly against an investigation into the Iraq war.
* Voted very strongly for replacing Trident.
* Voted moderately for the hunting ban.
* Voted strongly for equal gay rights.
* Voted moderately for laws to stop climate change.
watch this guy, he’s become a hero of the BBC and Radio5 especially………
West country farmer, thanks for that! It’s shown silly Nell and barearsecontessa up for the dimwitted muppets they are.
I might not like his views on lots of things –
Life is not perfect and being grown up means you have to make judgements between imperfect choices.
His stand on mp’s salaries, pensions and expenses , long before it became a public issue was and is courageous and I admire it.
Courage in public life especially in westminster has become a rarity.
He is to be commended even though I accept he will most likely be voted out of office next time around.
silly cow. you clearly don’t know your arse from your elbow.
ass and elbow hmm????
In your case it is clear that your ass is in gear but your brain is in neutral.
No doubt you are sir stuart bell or one of his syncophants.
Please excuse my language, not usual for me, as people on here know.
Liars and cheats making the rules for friends who are liars and cheats.
Never going to work really is it?
Unless,of course, you’re a liar and a cheat…
I see Frankie Boyle has refused to apologise to Rebecka Arlington over disgraceful comments he made about her on mock the week. Well Frankie let me tell you this, you can be funny for a bit but you know something I watched you doing a full show recently and after around 15 Minutes you got tiresome, you cant do a full show and you also have a noticible facial tick , you are no Billy Connolly you are not as good as you think you are. There I didnt even swear.
who’s rebekah arlington
Double gold medal winning National Cemetary?
Some girl who apparently has a face that looks like a reflection in the back of a spoon, alledgedly
Actually it’s true, she does have a face like that.
Frankie Boyle has a face like Gordon Brown’s sweaty arse crack.
They do get through quite a lot of spoons north of the border. And candles.
A little experimentation shows that a reflection in the back of a spoon is merely squashed or stretched in a regular way, so isn’t any uglier or prettier than the original. Mr Boyle may be referring to Miss Adlington’s striking nose, so that a conk joke would have been funnier or more infantile, depending on your sense of humour.
Boyle himself isn’t especially ugly.
He is a ginger c unt whos wife, if he has one, has a haunted pussy !!!
He’s another leftie comedian and full of shit. When are any of these so-called cutting-edge comics going to crack a few jokes about muslims instead of taking the piss out of Tories and white English people generally?
It couldn’t have anything to do with the fact that they could be shot or blown up could it?
Mr Nob’o- I think you’ll find that he takes the piss out of anyone and everyone.
revolting peasant
On the contrary Boyle has never taken the piss out of muslims. Like all these other so-called comics he’s either too right-on or too shit scared.
I may not agree with what he says, but I defend his right to be shot by a jihadist for saying it.
politically correct humourless twats
It’s Rebecca Adlington.
She’s a brilliant swimmer but her face is exactly as he described.
Thank fuck he’s not like Billy Connolly- the 1970’s unfunny Scottish version of Michael MacIntyre.
Too much swearing,insults and bad language on this blog, interferes with intelligent conversation.
Fuck off.
Well said.
Fuck off.
Well get a load of this…. McRuin was lying after all even his right hand man says so. How much longer do we have to put up with this shower.
Gordon Brown was wrong to suggest that Britain was better placed than its rivals to weather the recession, his Chancellor has conceded.
Alistair Darling came under pressure today to justify the Prime Minister’s claim that Britain would lead the world out of the downturn.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6898471.ece
Is Darling going to stop Brown pursuing his scorched earth policy of getting the UK into even more debt than it’s already in so he can blame the Tories when they come in next year and try to clear up the mess?
No, Darling is going to help Brown borrow even more money to spend on trying to maintain the illusion that everything’s alright.
The ex-International Marxist Group cadre is as intent on destroying the UK economy as Brown is.
This a scary comment from the above article by Darling >>
“Our banking sector is a much larger proportion of our economy than it is, say, in France or Germany, so it would take . . . it’s taking us longer to come out but we will come out.”
So why have they just announced they are going to flog the nationalised banks to the highest (foreign ?) bidder ? Therefore, a “larger proportion of our economy” will be picked up at the lowest point in the economic cycle and the taxpayers lose yet again.
See: selling gold, plus all the other state assets they announce the other week.
Surely they can be prosecuted for gross negligence, fraud, etc ?
Gold! Gold, Gold, Gold,
Gold! Gold, Gold, Gold..
asset bubble lose millions
Hi ho, Hi ho, it’s back to work I go
I like gold
I like Farmland. Try Eating gold.
646 of them or 60 million of us? Stupid question – them, of course, as always!
Some remarkably similar parallels with this shithole……
True, but the State can never deliver quality education.
If you want something you have to purchase it yourself.
Buy yourself some new Fox News talking points
It’s like listening to Sarah Palin on a loop
Maybe that’s because she’s right and you’re wrong?
about exorcising witches, denying evolution, thinking the earth is 6000 years old ?
Yeah, Palin is a real fucking intellectual poster girl for you isn’t she ?
You Betcha!
Oh dear.
It’s all gone twisted knickers and flying handbags again, over there at Hissy Fit Central.
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=6214838&postID=7307719056202678349
I mean, who in their right mind would consider this emotional incontinent a serious candidiate for political office?
It’s seems as if self-centered childishness is coming to dominate every facet of our society.
No wonder the country’s going down the toilet.
What a shitty little website full of rancid bigots and racists. Tories are just as bad as Griffin’s gang.
http://www.uaf.org.uk/
Uddin’s Air Force?
Ugly Arse-Faces?
Oh do fuck off, you self righteous little prat.
Unite Against Fascism (sic) is an unholy alliance between muslims and the Trots of the Socialist Workers Party.
A thoroughly unpleasant bunch of thugs.
The only mystery is why Cameron keeps the Tory Party allied to this bunch of rancid turds.
you’d be better served looking at new labour than coming here and looking stupid
Who rattled your cage?
UAF= United Against Freespeech.
Wankers with tiny peckers, fuck off back to your squats you soapdodging cum dumpsters.
Yep, the UAF Fascists are more united FOR Fascism than against it.
said the zionist fascist.
WTF do you think you’re doing coming on here and imposing your repressive views on us you fascist сunt?
When all said and done, we’ve still got the Olympics.
I imagine Broon wanted something like this for himself.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dyns367ExE
Hitlers dream of uniting Europe achieved in 2012! The first Trans-National Socialist olympics.
Guido – can you dig into these PLEASE -
Lack of immigration policy >
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/minette_marrin/article6898174.ece
Adding yet more criminalisation by stealth >
!http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/leading_article/article6892843.ece
Second link is >>
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/leading_article/article6892843.ece
Got too excited with the !!!!
As soon as Jack Straw became Home Secretary in the early years of this government, I knew Labour weren’t at all serious about tackling immigration.
Labour,gordon,bliar are only ever serious about power, grandstanding on the international stage and claiming mega expenses.
Their agenda has never included looking after national well-being or the people of Britain.
We were only ever a stepping stone in their bigger ambitions. Look at bliar and militwit vying for positions of power and mega expenses in the eussr this week.
And watch as gordon pursues the chancellors role in the G20 next year after we kick him out as the most incompetent pm of all time.
Shameless.
Call me Dave intends to stop all immigration immediately!
Or not.
Right!!! He’s going to stop immigration or he isn’t. But you’re not sure .
So what is your accusation and where are coming from??!!
“He’s going to stop immigration or he isn’t. But you’re not sure .”
Bingo ! lol
Silly boy!! No doubt you are militwit . You sound like him.
You were the one who made the statement not I –
What DO you think ???
Is cameron going to stop all immigraton or isn’t he? What is your view??
Go on be an adult and state a view for once!!
Whooooosh! as it soars over nells head
Yup
PM urges Afghan corruption effort
Mr Brown said a “better form of government” was needed
A new Afghan administration must make tackling corruption a “key priority”, UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown has told President Hamid Karzai.
Mr Brown was speaking to Mr Karzai after his rival, Abdullah Abdullah, withdrew from the presidential election citing fraud fears.
too fucking late
this corrupt quagmire of death is beyond all hope or redemption and the sooner we pull the troops out the better for them and us
“Mr Brown said a “better form of government” was needed.”
He’s taking the fucking piss.
No-one can win in Afghanistan . We have tried twice before and failed. The Russians tried with 250,000 men and failed.
We should never have gone in there.
What is wrong in attacking the taliban and alqaeda bases with drones and long range missiles? We and the americans have the technology to do what needs to be done without putting men onto the ground to get killed.
Why aren’t we doing it?
because it’s Biden’s idea and the Generals already tried to bounce Obama into a 45,000 surge which did not go down well at the White House
this latest farce won’t convince Obama of the wisdom of doubling down in the valley of death but her fears the Midterms and the usual Republican demands for more War while calling those who think it’s madness unpatriotic
so Obama is curently is sounding out options that could be called Biden+ or McCrystal lite
even if he goes for a massive troop surge that would take a year to even get that many troops in place and nobody thinks things are going to get any better in that year
short answer, we’re still there because the Americans are
and Labour and the Conservatives no longer have the balls to tell them ENOUGH! and pull out like so many other countries have already done.
Afgh++nistan will be our vietnam?
Yes I think it will!!
Sobering thought.
Look if it wasn’t for wet idiots like you then it wouldn’t be.
They could wipe out the Taliban and Al Q very easily but because of wet liberals throughout recent history, they have to fight with their hands behind their backs against people who are not scared to hide behind kids and put suicide vests on kids.
It is you lot that are on the backs of the army that are losing every war we fight now a days.
You don’t see Al Jeezra, BBC, Fox News, ABC, CNN, President Obama, President Bush, Tony Blair, Gordon Brown, The UN, Liberals and their various groups etc. etc.;
Telling Terry taliban off everytime a village gets blown up or someone is killed by accident.
You lot whinge over stuff like Abu Ghraid and throw the full book at the army for that but someone like Ken Biggley gets captured and beheaded you wring your hands and go ”ooooohh nevermind..ohh it’s a shame oohhh”
One civvie happens to get shot by accident in a melee by allied forces when firefighting the taliban, you lot throw the book at the person and then restrict how many operations we can do and how we can operate.
Make a big media song and dance and is it no wonder the Taliban are laughing. They know they will win the war, because they know how gulliable you are and can make you restrict the forces movements, through public campaigns and propaganda wars until we are restricted completely and are just sat their wasting money. Which means we have no other choice than come back.
Vlad The Impaler had the right idea.
When the west eventually implodes and we end up like Pre 9/11 taliban controlled Afghanistan only then will you wet liberals finally understand how life and nature and warfare really works, aside from your comftable and cushy existence. It will be far too late and you will have no where to run and hide from and it will be your own making.
We are heading the exact same way the Roman Empire did and actually instead of being fearful, In a way, I and a few others who have been there and got the t-shirt will be glad because it will mean the survival of the fittest again and there will be no room for your wishy washy mindsets.
Bring it on.
so why aren’t you out there fighting with your little toy gun funny man?
don’t worry we already know
chickenhawks are ten a penny but stupidity of the calibre of Dubya, Bliar and the NeoCons only come along once every generation
look up your History books dickhead
the soviet army was about as concerned with civilian casualities as you are and they had many, MANY more troops than the Americans
I’ll let you work out what happened to them and every other bunch of gullible War-happy twats who thought this hellhole could ever be moulded or tamed
it needs a POLITICAL solution shit-for-brains
you need a fully functioning civilian apparatus capable of supporting a Police and Army and enforcing the writ of Kabul in the provinces
that’s simply a fucking pipe dream as much now as it was 8 years ago
and which Taliban do you think you are fighting ?
the Pushtun separatists ? The Tajiks ? The P-stan obsessed faction funded by and trained by the SIS ? The Warlords ? The remains of the northern allience who threw their lot in with the Taliban ? The tribal leaders and elders ? The anti-iranian faction ? The religious chieftans ? or just those Afghans radicalised by endless death and destruction in a country with a population of over 28 Million ?
only a simpleton could think this is a simple war
Pre 9/11 taliban controlled Afghanistan was prefectly acceptable to George Bush who had delegations from the Taliban visit him in Texas
Karzai’s incarnation of ‘Democracy’ is little if any better than the Talibans with young girls burning themselves to death instead of being married off at 13 to old men in villages and Sharia Law being the norm. Karzai passed a rape law allowing Afghan men to LEGALLY starve or beat women to death who did not please their husbands. THat’s fucking progress form the Taliban is it ?
Karzai is in the TOP TEN most corrupt leaders and Governments of the world, you think that hasn’t been noticed by the population ? You think that isn’t a recruiting sargeant for “Terry Taliban” ?
take your simple minded War-wanking jingoism elsewhere
preferably to Kabul where you personally can “bring it on” with your juvenile Rambo fantasies
Comedian
Correct, The Taliban are awful in combat, they know they cannot win, but they guess correctly that the MSM can make US lose, as happened in Vietnam (and then post pullout a million plus people were killed by those following the Marx faith).
another chickenhawk who thinks posturing rhetoric is a substitute for a coherent strategy or point to this idiocy
8 years
How many more years of this awful Taliban combat do you suppose we are going to let kill our soldiers and drain our resources to do ???
what exactly ?
keep one of the most corrupt leaders in the world in place with Sharia Law the norm ?
The War and troops are going to shift to Pakistan soon enough where there is at lest still a hope of keeping a functioning Government from falling
look forward to seeing you on the front lines
Nell, do you think you know better than the army officers on the ground, you feckin moron?
which ones ?
the ones who simply want more troops to protect those already in theatre and rotate out those burned out and strained at the limit of stop loss ?
the ones who follow orders and leave policy to those who sent them there ?
or the ones who think they can make policy on the hoof in theatre ?
http://www.oxfordmail.co.uk/news/headlines/4714110.Officer_warned_of_helicopter_crisis/
Nope . I think they know exactly what they are up against in Afghanistan and our failed government which is not supporting them. I think they are tremendously courageous to keep on fighting as they are given this government’s perfidy.
And what I think is happening is that we are only hearing their voice when they have died, as in the case of Lieut.Colonel Rupert Torneloe and only then because a mole in the MoD has leaked his emails.
This failed government is evil, pure and simple.
They beat and starve the dog in the first place, take out it’s teeth one by one over the years and then complain that it cannot protect them or win any wars.
Unfucking believeable.
Is it any wonder ex vets wish they never bothered in the first place, what is the point, these people are braindead.
Only the other night I though I saw Terry Taliban advancing on the white cliffs with his formidable Navy
Just a personal opinion but I do wish people wouldn’t refer to fighting at the front as being in ‘theatre’. It makes it sound much less serious than it is, as if it’s only pretend.
No I am not I am saying it should be modeled on the perfect government we have here in the UK because I saved the world you know…I did I SAVED THE WORLD I SAVED THE WORLD AHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I SAVED THE WORLD blub.. blub.. Oh no nursey not the straight jacket please not the jacket …..Brownsy wownsy promises nursey he’ll be really good.
I save the world I did and President Omaha loves me….. MMMMM MMMMAMA……UGH
Oh My Chronic doesn’t that bring back memories!!
And where are our pop singers now who might do the same for our troops in Afgh+anistan??
Oh Dear!! They are serenading bliar and gordon and on the profitable speakers’ circuit talking about poverty in africa as they rake in millions to their own personal bank accounts.
Country Joe McDonald. One of the world’s leading experts on Florence Nightingale. (It grew out of his post-Vietnam work helping to rehabilitate Vietnam Veterans)
I do believe that is Country Joe McDonald of the fish fame and whom Led Zeppelin eventually blew of the stage on one of their tours of the US.
A better form of government is needed here in the United Kingdom; it’s a shame that Gutless Gordon can’t summon up the courage to call a General Election, is n’t it ?
Jacqui Smith? A good advert for what happens when an over-promoted cookery teacher never got told to “get your fat arse back in that kitchen where you belong”. Being told you’re in the wrong game is never pleasant, but straying outside one’s circle of competence is always a recipe for disaster on any level.
Was it Smith who said that it would have been helpful to get more training before being promoted to one of the most important jobs in the government?! The mind boggles.
I’ve seen it happen many times with people who take on managerial roles purely because they think it’ll look good on their CV, or because they’ll get 2x of something instead of x, not because they might actually enjoy the job. It never works. Their hearts never get into it, they end up cutting corners, appear phoney and lose the respect of others. Like politicians I suppose.
I really hope the 60-odd million win over the 646, if anything because of the trickle-down effect it would have. If politicians end up losing out, then our bloated civil service / public sector almost certainly will!
Good cooking is a skill, I reckon Smiff is as bad a cook as she is minister.
Yep. And we have a postman prat who is Home Secretary, a cookery teacher who was Home Secretary and a panel beater/bus conductor who is Defence Secretary. And that’s without going through the list of other thickies as I am too tired. Goodnight.
It’s worse. She taught economics, rather than home economics. Doesn’t even have a useful skill.
She has a touch of the Stasi about her.
An MP goes to the doctor. She says “Doctor, I think I’m becoming a kleptomaniac.” The doctor says “Well, take these pills, and if in a week’s time you’re no better……bring me a 65-inch TV.”
Guido
This article at the Wail (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1224408/Brown-snubbed-times-hunt-80k-spin-doctor.html) makes it pretty plain to me that even Kevin Maguire wouldn’t work for Gordon.
CB.
Apparently it wasn’t our Kev. Have that on pretty good authority. So am trying to figure out who.
It was Malcolm Tucker
Gordon thinks he’s real
(he needs to cut down on those pills perhaps)
JULIE KIRKBRIDE SHOULD BE PROSECUTED!
[...] Sir Christopher Kelly Reports on Wednesday, Who Will Win? 646 of Them, or 60 Million of Us? The spin will be intense, it will be all-party, it will be relentless. They will squeal, they will plead, they will [...] [...]
Wanted for Crimes of High Treason against the British Public:-
Anthony “Tony” Charles Lynton Blair
John “Jack” Whitaker Straw
James Gordon Brown
and associates