With No End to Recession, Labour Attack Strategy Misfires
The coordinated attacks this week on George Osborne were pre-planned to coincide with the end of the recession as predicted by consensus economists. Except that the economy did not oblige. On Friday the ONS reported numbers that shocked Gordon Brown, who has long clung to the belief that a rising economy will save him. His curse prevailed.
Unlike in the rest of the recovering industrialised world, UK GDP fell by a shock 0.4 % last quarter, meaning the economy had now contracted for six successive quarters, the longest recession in British recorded history. Labour’s strategic plan, into which Guido understands Alastair Campbell and Peter Mandelson had input, was to use the reported official end of recession to claim victory in the battle against the crisis. On the back of that they would launch a ferocious attack on George Osborne’s response to the crisis.
There was no recovery reported. Op-eds had already been lined up in friendly papers, “lines to take” established, Bad Al Campbell himself lined up a letter in the FT focusing on Osborne’s shadow chancellor / campaign manager roles. Labour produced publicity material (above) and digital animations to be used in online campaigns. Mark Hanson, a backroom adviser on Labour’s online strategy, had placed a pre-written article on LabourList that he failed to revise to reflect the terrible Q3 GDP figures; “The campaign looks at what the real consequences would have been if George Osborne’s misjudgments had been enacted and led to a deeper, longer and more painful recession.”
That quote looks revealingly silly in the light of the figures showing Britain is suffering the deepest, longest and most painful recession ever recorded. Attack dogs Liam Byrne and Alastair Campbell nimbly recalibrated their attack lines. Instead of attacking Osborne as wrong on the recession, he was they claimed wrong on bailing out the banks (Byrne), wrong on political strategy (Campbell). With Gordon proved wrong on the recession by the numbers, with Britain shown to be worst placed of all the G7 nations, with our economy now smaller than Italy’s economy, the whole “Gordon was right on the recession” line is in tatters. Maybe they will try to resurrect it when the economy does finally bottom. Too late for Gordon, who by some accounts took the released figures very badly. At PMQs he stuck to the “I’m right, you are wrong, wrong, wrong” line even when the numbers showed differently.
With the new German government announcing a massive multi-billion growth package of tax cuts to boost the economy it will no longer be credible to paint the Tories as out of touch and isolated. The Tories have a surprise for Gordon, which Guido will spoil, footage of President Obama time and time again saying in recent months that you have to cut taxes to help people in a recession. With two of the industrialised world’s biggest economies – Germany and the United States – now implementing growth orientated policies, Gordon’s big government tax, borrow and spend will look out of kilter and isolated. His last hope of a political recovery strategy is now past its sell by date…
The Independent is calling for Gordon to be shot. Is this a hate crime or an act of mercy?
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/matthew-norman/matthew-norman-isnt-it-time-gordon-brown-was-put-out-of-his-misery-1810935.html
Can I do it? Please? Pretty please?
Pleeeeease?
No, – I think you’d better let the big boys have first go.
tell you what though – let’s work up to it to a finale.
Pea Shooters first then we stage it.
Bettr let the wimmin have a go too. Being the gentle sex, – they use different longer lasting more painful methods.
“When yer wounded and lying on Whitehall’s plains
And the women come out to cut up the remains
Just roll to your rifle and blaw oot yer brains
and go to yer God like a loser..”
(Apols to Kipling)
Join the queue.
I’m just nipping down to Walmart – I’ll see if they’ve got one of those made in China ticket machines – you know, you take a number and wait yer turn….I’m thinking I’m going to need a couple of dozen rolls of number tape for all those who’ll want to join the queue.
Tory Trolls.
Surely Blair should be first, then Brown. Shooting is too quick. Like the idea of death by a thousand cuts though. Gives more people a chance to join in.
FFS, the world and his dog is here.
the only people gordon brown has shafted is the working class.
er, how on earth does borrowing billions of pounds on behalf of workers and giving it to bankers, who have soaked most of it up on bonuses and wage increases, helped either working people or the economy in general?
it does not help one iota.
in fact it has damaged the economy and it has caused job losses.
brown got it wrong, end of story. he should ofcourse have let failing banks fail and a strict limit should have been put on the amount of funny money he printed, just enough to keep things temporarily ticking over and not a penny more.
will somebody please pull the trigger on that useless fucking c’unt FFS?
pronto.
typed the racist agitator.
hey, Abdul. I pray that a thousand scorpions invade your Y-Fronts
Blessed be to Henry Cooper
I am independent of political parties you dick so your attack is misdirected.
oh and there can only be one top boy and he is me.
you fucktard.
see how easy I pull the cripples chains.
genius innit.
yeah, that is the best policy mr yassi.
stay out of top boy’s way.
you know when you are defeated.
clever cripple.
Oh I geddit, Ivor the Engine. Jeez, I wish I’d thought of that, so witty.
Did a dodgy builder call me?
lovely work Mr Fawkes
the propaganda machines in full swing on either side and it’s good to see you cutting therough the spin and lies by reprinting Conservative Central Office Spin almost word for word
Small quibble though, no nice modern picture of Dave looking serious ?
CCO prefers that to go under any puff piece
But well done on not pointing out that Quantative Easing is set to continue under Osborne and that he won’t and can’t rule out Tax RISES
we’ll have the gullible believing the impossible in no time
tax cuts nudge nudge wink wink but promise them nothing, that’s the line
Love and kisses
Andy Coulson xxx
No, me me me me, let me go first!!!!!
If he was to be shot he would be putting us out of our misery, never mind his. I would rather see the hoon suffer with the rest of us.
Good Article though. Not only trashing Gordon but also Stuart Bell.
Why doesn’t the BBC report that Bell actually wrote
“And she keeps on sucking, sucking and nibbling and filling me with yearning, with desire to thrust her back on the bed now, strap her to it the way the schoolteacher had shown me,” runs a memorable passage. “I wanted that she be tied to the bed and I dominate her, rape her, burst inside her and be cleansed.”
I mean this is the MPs shop steward FFS
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/matthew-norman/matthew-norman-isnt-it-time-gordon-brown-was-put-out-of-his-misery-1810935.html
Does Harriet know about this promotor of pornography in their midst?
Labour have form on Pornography, Alastair Campbell is a porn author too.
Not sure how Harriet would react to Sir Stuart Bell writing that rape cleanses though.
He’s sitting in Paris scribbling away while his constituents in Corus are losing their livelihoods. But the stupid buggers will still vote for thre red rosette.
Guido, there’s no apostrophe in “it’s” in the last sentence in that context.
“Its” is being used as the possessive, not a contraction of “it is”.
Fascinating. Well done.
The first politician to use the apostrophe cerrectly in their election litrature gets my vote, I’ll even overlook their extra marital shagging and thievery.
You mean CORRECTLY and LITERATURE shurely?
Shome mishtake shurely?
so wot!
Its’ educasion stoopid
Educashun Educashun Educashun
You’re not that woman off Conservative Home are you?
He tried it himself, but missed by a wide margin.
David Cameron alias Perky claims £1750 each month from us taxpayers.Shame on him multi millionaire.
As leader of the Opposition, that’s quite low.
No one cares as long as it’s legitimate spending.
Not salary,mortgage tax relief on a very expensive house.Why moan about Labour ministers when he is claiming money he doesn’t need.He has 30million pounds at his disposal.
Poor Cow – fuck off, you don’t know what you are talking about.
All MP and Peer troughers are seen for what they are – thieves and criminals – on here, but you wouldn’t know that as you can’t read – go back to the farm where you belong
Crap. The second home allowance was set up to provide modest overnight accomodation in London for out of London MPs. Dave is taking the piss out of this allowance by claiming the maximum for a large Cotswalds house.
What Dave is doping is morally wrong. Dave even has a London house anyway. If Dave were serious about MPs expenses he would pay ALL the money back.
Well he ain’t so he won’t
how long have you been green with envy
Exactly. On the scale of the expenses deceit, his plant pruning claim was minor compared with the huge troughing of others, both Liebour and Tory MPs. And lets not go into the deceitful art of flipping, or member of the HoL expenses…
But if you want a good laugh at the bankers and broon, then click on the link to watch this very, very funny youtube video.
This is effing brilliant brightens up an otherwise miserable ady
Nice one. A muffled titter went round our household on seeing this!
Poor Cow = Master Baiter and I claim my quantitatively eased £5.
New Labour = Longest recession EVER
Not at all I am me.Why should anyone with a brain support the Tories.
So you are effectively saying that people with brains vote Tory.
Very good. Looks like the CJD is well advanced.
Poor Cow, we’re all fucking poor now, due to THE WORST RECESSION EVER!!!
Because they are the most credible means of ending the curse of nulab, you mong.
Easy to see its half term and drapers’ work experience trolls are earning their pocket money !
> Why would anyone … support the Tories?
Becuase the alternative, called Labour are proven to be a total and utter disaster
If Camerons claiming it from US taxpayers thats a good thing!
Hope they don’t find out or they’ll kick his “ass”
said the racist agitator.
one minute mohammed the next TB, you must be schizophrenic you c’unt.
so you are resorting to misrepresenting anyone who disagrees with you.
I am independent and you are a total wanker.
you pathetic cretin.
so, you post sick comments about dead babies and then you accuse others of doing it.
at least you are so ashamed of what you have done that you try to palm your sins onto others.
so you do know that what you did was below contempt.
do not post any more of your nasty comments about dead children.
you sick fucking bastard.
I deserve to pull the trigger – I was made redundant in the year Brown became PM.
My kids financial future is f*cked due to him.
I can’t get a job until he is ejected and confidence improves in the economy.
Oh and I hate Brown with every sinew and atom of my body – my hatred for the fraudster qualifies me for this very easy task.
How come two rozzers turn up to molest an old age pensioner just because she wrote into the council complaining about a Gay Parade yet a National news paper can get away with demanding that the Prime Minister should be shot?
“How come two rozzers turn up to molest an old age pensioner just because she wrote into the council complaining about a Gay Parade”
“1984: The Remake” Anon – Orwell would be well chuffed.
So sorry Brown fecked things up for you Anon – he’s ‘done’ for many of us and the entire hoontry as per his contract no doubt….and is why he’ll be ‘going to the fire’, as opposed to ‘the garden’ which our ‘friend’ Abdul Yassi knows all about I’m sure…
You are not the only one. The fucknuckle has done exactly the same to me.
No doubt there are thousands of us in the same situation.
I hate him so much.
I want to peel him and throw him in a pile of salt.
Why the picket fence?
Is there no 8 year old girls around for him?
http://www.faithfreedom.org/Articles/sina/ayesha.htm
She was younger than 8!
I think some of his ground crew already have
Hi Abdul, great seeing you in Heavens last Friday, is it ok for mohammedans to be Gay my little Vaz-o-line tster extraordinaire
The UK economy is doing so well, that the now approved break-up of Northern Rock will have a nasty sting in the tail for the UK taxpayer.
New Labour will gift the “good” Northern Rock £8bn just so someone can take it off New Labour’s hands, and they claim that it was right to save the bank. The taxpayer will still have all the liabilities of the “bad” bank.
Strangely the BBC TV news made NO mention of this £8bn the taxpayer will shell out, and you can forget Newsnight mentioning it, they went on other wimp subjects last night.
Who said New Labour were economically literate? At least they ended boom and bust, heh!
I thought it awfully good of the EU to ‘OK’ the splitting-up of Northern Rock –
JEE ZUS!!!!
It’ll go like this: the profitable bits go ‘here’ to the banksters and the rest stay under public control…
Yes to the GPO poor sods
This truly is a slow-mo car-crash of a PM.
Can’t seem to get this song out of my head.
“How long how long
Will this go on
How long how long
The time drags on
How long
I find I can’t go on much longer now
But the man in question’s hard to find
Like an illness with no cure
And our heads are getting wearier
And our hearts are less than pure
Less than pure ”
(credits to a-ha)
In hospital, nearly a year back now, and coming out of general in the post-anaesthesia observation ward – hence mildly demented – I popped the question about peoples’ perception of Brown. A good twenty staff there, not one had a good word to say about the man, and the staff nurse responsible for me, middle class, intelligent, 50 years or so old – turned to me and said – He should be shot.
Independent is a year behind the time; and they suggest people don’t loath him, but feel sorry for him. They don’t loath him. They fucking loath him.
In hospital, nearly a year back now, and coming out of general in the post-anaesthesia observation ward – hence mildly demented – I popped the question about peoples’ perception of Brown. A good twenty staff there, not one had a good word to say about the man, and the staff nurse responsible for me, middle class, intelligent, 50 years or so old – turned to me and said – He should be shot. Between the eyes
Independent is a year behind the time; and they suggest people don’t loath him, but feel sorry for him. They don’t loath him. They fucking loath him.
Yeah, just like the “prophet” fucked his 9 year old wife
Yeah, just like the “prophet” fucked his 9 year old wife.
Surely there ought to be of torture first. We have suffered for months and years, so why shouldn’t he? Maybe we could make it a public event and pay-per-view; in this way we could have a bit of fun and raise some revenue too. It worked in the medieval times and was a fun day out for all the family.
The man should be drawn though EVERY street in the UK and people should be encouraged to do whatever they want to him, as long as it dosen’t kill him, spoliling the fun for everyone else, this would be a fitting punishment for the man who has, excuse the French, fucked the country so royally up the arse, this could be broadcasted on a pay-per-view internet service which could be put toward paying of his monumental debt. Then a lottery could be set up for the person to shoot the bastard at the end of his ‘Grand Tour of the Nation’ again, with the funds raised used to pay of the debt.
The worse thing is that future generations will be paying dearly for the jaw wobbler’s bankrupt Britain. National and personal debt are at an all time high and still NuLab continue spending like there’s no tomorrow. This country is fooked.
Cameron would be worse,he is weak.
weak er in what way ? pray give us you’re wisdom old beean!.
‘How much are you worth Mr Cameron?’ ‘Yours and your kid’s futures if I can rid the Country of this lot!’
If you’re a sociopath and socialist, “weakness” is defined as not having the overwhelmingly urge to destroy anything that reminds you of wealth.
He is weak because he won’t give us a straight reply on what he would do if the Lisbon Treaty is ratified . Where is my referendum Dave?
And where is mine Dave?
I think you’ll find the media consensus is that brown is weak, get it right FFS.
And my referendum Dave .
Totall agree – I have written about it – see The Painspotter’s Guide to Broken Britain – it will make you laugh and make you cry, but it will certainly make you reliase just how forked out we really are!
Gorgon McTwat is wrong, wrong, wrong!
If an accountant of finance director did this in the private sector they would be looking at a long stretch in prison. By the way what happened to the EU’s no greater than 3% of GDP strategy? Also seems to be out of kilter.
I wonder what will happend when the PFI gets added into the figures. Melt down?
We’re doomed, DOOMED!
Yes indeed if Perky and Pinky ever get in,a couple of Tory Old Etonian Trolls.
No, meltdown’s when they add the public sector pensions in
and the state pension. 3 trillion quid.
and RBS/HBOS if their debst are not covered by their assets – 2.4 trillion
and nuclear power station decommissioning – 73 billion
PFI 131 billion
public sector pensions – 1.1 billion
We could be looking at 7 trillion quid
Sorry to be O/T so quick but would you credit this.
Ainsworth blamed by Brown over ‘humiliating’ TA cuts fiasco
Defence Secretary Bob Ainsworth was cast adrift by Downing Street last night after he was blamed for humiliating the Government over funding for the Territorial Army.
Gordon Brown was forced to personally intervene on Tuesday night to head off another Ministry of Defence PR disaster brought about by plans to slash spending on TA training by £20million.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223713/Ainsworth-blamed-Brown-humiliating-TA-cuts-fiasco.html#ixzz0VJloqFRb
McScumbag cannot even stand up for his own decisions and even hides behind the twat Ainworthashit. I thought we had already seen the depths to which Labour and Brown could go but obviously not. If anyone thought the Brown did not know about this in advance has to be totally and utterly deluded. Nu Labour continuing to play politicial patsy with our soldiers lives.
and Ainsworth blamed the generals…what bollocks, govt asked for savings, and with the army screaming for effective kit, what else could they say?
Should’ve printed the 20 mill up front, hell they’ve printed enough for the banks we’ve bought.
They’re on the run. Bet they’ve been shitting themselves about (hitherto) well-trained military personnel right here on home turf not miles away in Afghanistan … “what if the TA organize a coup?!” — the revolution is coming to get you bob a job.
You are seriously weird.
Do you know anyone in the TA? Thought not.
Yes my son in law.
No she is not as ex army, I am just waiting for the call to take out these scumbags.
Yes I am,my grandfather had 5 sons,all in the army.
Don’t feed Poor Cow, she shits non-PC methane for a start and trolls for McLiebour.
Away to the slaughterhouse PCow, take your herd with you.
have you been globally warmed lately?
fuck off
Have a look at the ARmy Rumour SErvice website.
You will find plenty of support for a military solution to this Westminster problem.
The honourable ladies and gentlemen of our armed forces swear their allegiance to our monarch and to our country. The pillocks in parliament would be wise to remember where their loyalties lie.
My brother joined the TA many years ago having heard about the overseas ‘training’ jollies, subsidised beer, camaraderie etc. Being a cautious type he made enquiries as to the risk of actually being used for serious military purposes and was reassured;”Don’t worry, mate, the last time they got the TA out was for Suez and they made such a fuck-up of it, the thinking is we’ll probably surrender before unleashing that shower on the enemy.” Totally different today, they are an integral part of the Army, do long tours in horrible places, and pissing about with their budget was really, really, stupid.
Didn’t the regular army high command recommend the TA cuts?
Yes I’m afraid we did.
How bad does it have to get before anyone ever resigns from this wretched apology for a government? This all took place with McBust and Aintworthatoss at the helm – they starved the services of cash to the point where 14 lives and an aircraft were lost – a loss that was clearly avoidable.
Empty and worthless apologies are a totally inadequate response and these two clowns should pay with their jobs. Those on the aircraft paid with their lives for such incompetence and wilful neglect.
No shame, no honour.
But “Lessons will be learned…” so that’s alright then.
I have nightmare visions of the MOD H&S wonks agonizing over which ergonomic £1500 chair was the best for their £3 billion offices, instead of actually checking whether the fuel on Nimrods came into contact with red hot surfaces in the craft.
How about Campbell handing himself in to a police station and confessing to his part in the “death” of the dignified and brilliant Dr Kelly? I heard an old fellow describe Alastair and TB as embodiments of pure evil. That’s about as serious a charge as you could level at anyone in the good old days. It’s a shame the phrase has been watered down, but the accuracy of the description still holds good. How either piece of shit manages to sleep a wink defeats me.
“How about Campbell handing himself in to a police station and confessing to his part in the “death” of the dignified and brilliant Dr Kelly?”
STOP PRESS – A squadron of pigs is airborne over London.
what? Again…..
In Blair’s case it is because he has a secret friend called God, on whom he blames all his wrongdoings. In Campbell’s case he is amoral and knows not the difference between right and wrong. That is how they sleep at night.
In case you haven’t already, suggest reading Lib Dem MP Norman Baker’s “Strange Death of David Kelly”.
Chilling.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488662/Iraq-whistleblower-Dr-Kelly-WAS-murdered-silence-says-MP.html
On the night that Bliar got voted into No 10, Freddy Forsyth said that we were in serious trouble because we had a PM whose principal concern was popularity.
I said that we were fucked because we had elected the Anti_Christ. My wife thought I was drunk. I explained that if the devil came to us, he would appear to be a family man, a straight sort of guy with a strong interest in spiritual matters. He would do his evil by using others. But that he would betray every one of his agents and be impervious to any self doubt.
I was pissed but I still think I was right.
Excellent work, Guido.
What I fail to grasp is why the Tories, surrounded by open goals on every hand, continue timidly to do nothing substantial to finish NuLab for all eternity.
If Bliar were Tory leader he would mince NuLab in all media, day in day out. Cameron seems just to wait for them to lose the election.
That is why the Tory lead is no greater than it is. Given present circumstances, they ought to be 50 points ahead.
Instead, what should be Tory votes are leaching away to the minority parties of protest.
Dave, you are pathetic. Get your finger out.
Gordon Brown insitu is the Tories most convincing vote winner
True. I imagine their saving the heavy stuff until the election
I agree but just how would the media, i.e. the BBC as they more or less have a complete and utter monopoly, report these attacks?
‘Kicking the UK when it’s down’
‘Making the situation worse by talking down the UK economy’
‘The econony needs confidence to revive, not another belting from the Tories’
‘The situation is improving – all the Tories are doing is making things worse’
You name it, the Brown Broadcasting Corporation will tell it. Labour’s way.
That’s the problem!!
Anyone catch Toenails Wormtongue earlier on Today?
Apparently, Nicholas Sarkozy hates Cameron’s guts — how would we ever stand a chance of influencing the EU with Dave as PM, could we even imagine the two leaders standing side by side etc. etc? He was working himself into a Lord Haw Haw froth vitriol.
I just thought, even if it’s true, Sarkozy’s dreading Cameron as Dave would stand about 18″ taller and has a wife who’s just as great looking, is rational and doesn’t visit a psychiatrist once a week (although as a recently bereaved mother she’d have every reason to do so).
As I said before you are seriously weird.
I choose to use my real name, not the title of some dreary 60s melodrama about idiots fucking up their lives.
Susie, Poor Cow is an improvement on Master Baiter.
BTW
I too choose to use my own name. ;)
I am my real name – Mad as in ANGRY
Maybe I should change mine to Barbara Clava ;-)
I don’t use my real surname, too embarassing. It’s Minge.
Indeed, Susie. Sarkozy hates any man who isn’t a dwarf – physically or mentally. Brown fits the latter, despite looking more and more like Jabba the Hut. Women don’t count, as he is attracted to the tall sex-change types like Sarah B. That’s something he and Sarko have in common.
Agreed, in a Carla vs Samantha bout, Mrs. Cameron comes out tops.
Not as rich as the la Bruni, but infinitely better bloodlines, and less vulgar.
Actually works for a living.
Has children and looks after them.
Doesn’t inflict her minor talents on the populace via the internet.
etc.
Handbags at dawn then. Just ordered my Smythson off the internet ,thanks Sam C.
Thats why the BBC has to be closed down.
Sorry Ruth sympathise completly with your feelings but one has to play this long.
They need to keep McRuin in place for as long as possible. Makes no difference to the economy now anyway its trashed. Then when it is not possible to change the leader say with 3 to 4 months of the election the Tory big guns will slew slowly round and outboard and Camron will order ’shoot’ and a barrage will open up the length of the Tory benches that will so badly destroy Labour they will be unelectable for a generation.
The trick is to know how long to keep the gunpowder dry and when to open up the barrage and commence the frontal attack.
Wait until you see the whites of their eyes eh?
Yellow in the case of liebour
I don’t agree, their pathetic performance as an opposition goes back to 1997. They have been staring at a series of open goals such as Blair’s lies to get us to war, and the murder of David Kelly. They even got away with denying David Kelly an inquest. All this has been studiously ignored, as has the idea of pressing home any meaningfull attack. More recently, he could have sacked some of his people for thieving from the public purse, but no, Dave has chosen to ignore such thieving.
This is not just an “election coming soon” problem. This is “savaged by dead sheep” syndrome.
exactly – the clip of gorgon saying “no more boom and bust” should be replayed time and time again so everyone is reminded what an idiot the man is.
they never take on zanulabour on the ideological level, just try to appear more competent. they need to show why the whole zanu approach is a failure and always will be.
just got to hope McCretin manages to hang on to his job, should at least guarantee a labour wipe-out at the general election, assuming he allows one to be held.
we had years of one form of ideology under Thatch that brought ruin to millions, and another round of a different ideology under ZaNu-Liebore, and look where it’s got us. What we need in this country is competent government, not more ideological messiah-fantasies. There was a time when pragmatism was considered a virtue in this country’s political culture…
Thatcher REVEALED to millions that they were ruined.
She’s reviled for getting the economy to be more open and transparent, and to fight that most insidious of all taxes called Inflation. Those jobs in broken industries sustained by the taxpayer where funded by destroying the wider economy.
Hair of the dog, doesn’t work too well for an Alcoholic and borrowing even more won’t help debt-o-holic Britain.
then PFI and PPP must be ruled out immediately
PFI and PPP should be included in Government debt figures.
You could not be more wrong, ICB. Pre-Thatcher, Britain was the “sick man of Europe” and under Thatcher became the envy or Europe. It was when Blair dropped the pragmatism from Thatcherism and replaced it with left-wing ideology that things went tits up.
Absolutely, 100%, gold-plated, correct.
The on-going destruction of the British economy really started cranking into gear with the 1964 election of Harold Wilson and George Brown. 15 years later, 1979, Thatcher had to act and act hard. Of course, surgery is horrible. I had to go abroad (as a graduate) to get my career off to a start. Thatcher inherited an almighty mess. The real imbeciles were the Labour governments 1964-70 and then 74 to 79. (I haven’t forgotten the anaemic Heath government defeated by Gormley and the miners).
These governments destroyed the prospects of the working class and therefore, those of the country.
Thatcher was not the disease, she was the cure.
I accept your narrative but please don’t forget that Maggie had (a) a disastrous start and was recued only by the Falklands and (b) she had the never-to-be-repeated windfall of North Sea oil.
I would argue that the latter was a public good and as such should have been invested in infrastructure, education and other things of use to all of society.
Instead she allowed a lot of that wondfall to be pissed away on German kitchens and BMWs, but you can’t have everything.
We took that bit out of the curriculoom
Master classs
Why finish Gordo off, he’s the Tories trump card for an election victory. Seeeemples !!!
Very true, still, be nice to shoot the bastud though!
Afterwards.
Yes, he probably is their trump card, but will things improve post election. The Tories have been hopeless in opposition, doesn’t bode well for a time in government.
Personally I think it’s all over. We’re doomed. A latter day Guy Fawkes and a packed house of Commons and Lords is our only hope. Fat chance.
I think the Tories are quite keen on allowing Gordon to remain in power to May next year. If, coming up to the election, they carry on the same way then I suspect something is seriously wrong, but I’m hoping they will pour the ton of manure on Brown, without of course, giving to much away to allow liebour to shout “racists party” if they for instance talk about immigration controls.
“Call Me Dave” is keeping out of the way of the flack and keeping his head down.
He’ll be wanting to stay quiet until the whole problem of Czech Republic and a signature goes away.
Regardless of promises for a referendum, it’ll be too late if he gets into Drowning-in-shit Street.
CallMeDave is walking us into a Federal Europe just as Blair, Campbell and Mandelsson are doing.
It’s death by a thousand cuts, regardless of which benches they sit on.
True. Dave is keeping us guessing. He’s also keeping Merkel and Sarkozy and the EUSSR guessing… surprise is the best form of attack.
I believe in free trade, in the ability of companies and individuals to manufacture and sell good and services across Europe.
I believe that a common currency is a good thing throughout Europe, however, I don’t like the caveat that Euro interest rates are set across the whole of the EU. Have a common currency, and allow a greater transparancy in prices and taxes between nations, but do not allow the ECB to dictate a “lowest common denominator” fiscal policy throughout the trading bloc.
Each nation should be allowed and encouraged to compete with other nations within the Union. If they cannot survive and thrive they will have to innovate and find a niche in which they are successful. Not everyone can be millionaires. Tough.
The EU as it stands will serve only to promote a socialist, “one size fits all” economy. It may work to raise the GDP of Romania, Ukraine and other less economically active nations, but it will be to the detriment of those with established, strong economies.
I had a ponder about this and the only answer I can think of is that Cameron doesn’t want to be seen as bullying — I think the tories think that’s a vote loser. That labour support will get stauncher if the conservatives are seen to be attacking them and the tories don’t want to be the ones constantly harping on about how bad things are. Whereas letting them make mistakes on their own just keeps reinforcing the general air of incompetence around the government.
I think these subjects will get revisited, but not until the actual election campaign when it can be more decisive.
I think we’ve had the definitive answer already: Dave said that if Blair is president there will be five years of trouble by them. But if someone else is president they would co-operate with the eu.
For there to be a president the Lisbon Treaty needs to be in FORCE. Dave has given his answer. He will co-operate with europe (policy). Blair won’t get to be president-it’s all nonsense so we ‘accept’ the lesser evil of someone else.
If Bliar were Tory leader…
If Bliar were Tory leader….
If Bliar were Tory leader….
If he doesn’t get the EU Pres. job maybe, just maybe. Turncoat Tony, the People’s PM.
What a nightmare that would be.
Wrong on recovery, wrong on the causes of recovery
Wrong on biscuits, wrong on the causes of biscuits.
Chocolate hobnobs?
Pipe down you ‘orrible little Custard Cream!
;)
Very nice article to read in the morning.Thanks very much,Guido.
Yes and it goes well with all the BBC (TV & radio) reporting on Friday morning that the economy was out of recession prior to the report coming out last week.
They all seemed so sure and it was a complete turn around afterwards.
BBC Left wing Narrative24 is just a press release recycler for the Labour Party.
I wondered at the time how they had managed to get things so badly wrong.Now we know it was the BBC simply agreeing the line to take with the Fuhrerbunker without confirming it was true.
An excellent article Guido. Good work.
Toady Tory Troll.
Are you? oh that’s nice they need all the help they can get against the colossus mcvittie ! .
The words ‘fuck’, ‘off’ and also ‘I’, ‘am’, ‘not’, ‘a’ and also ‘Tory’ spring to mind.
Indeed. They’ve been floundering around like dinosaurs who thought the meteor was going to miss… last Friday was very educational for those on a media studies course — what not to do.
Gordon is a goneburger!!
What about Mr Sweet Hairy-Cave’s report. The BBC didn’t show the pertinent comment about where the true rot started: ‘COMMENCING WITH the 1998 defence review.’
I am glad the spin line is failing so badly. Labour have fucked up the economy and they don’t deserver to spin their way out of the mess.
We need the history books to record just how badly they have shafted us this time.
The nation can’t afford another bout of a Labour government.
So many U turns they are dizzy with spin
As well as the economy they’ve buggered up the ethnic mix so much that even with all their criminalising legislation,cctv cameras and other”Big Brother”strategies, increasing social unrest is inevitable which will depress the economy and quality of life further.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/edmundconway/6457737/A-social-timebomb-is-set-to-explode-in-Britain.html
A social timebomb is set to explode in Britain
The true jobless total is already over five million – and the young are hardest hit, says Edmund Conway.
This rings so true… apart from those still at school at university most of my friends’ kids hang around the house all day on Facebook. They can’t claim benefits, there are no courses or apprenticeships for them, just a void.
When we had our car serviced I asked the garage if they had any mechanic apprenticeships (paid or unpaid) available on behalf of a friend’s 16 y/o. They said not really, but if he called them they’d check him out. The boy lacked the confidence to even ring them up, we subsequently heard. Apathy in the UK!
Did anyone hear the Boy Milliband getting creamed by Hague this morning?
He was so out of his depth…
Early conf call this morning, so missed it… What happened?
The Boy Milliband tried to play the “Anti Semite” card but it backfired on him…
Should know better then to try to take on the grown ups!
Does he know the M.P.s signature tune,”You’ve gotta pick a pocket or two.”
William Hague or Vague was very weak this morning. He could not give a straight answer to the referendum question. He said they would think of something if Klaus ratifies????
I won’t mind if they nick UKIP’s stance or policy.
Mr Smug-McNaughtie ‘interviewed’ Hague and Millitwat. He interrupted Hague from the outset but gave Millitwat a clear run.
No change there then.
Agreed. Naughtie is a smug biased bastard. I’ve officially complained about his bias towards New Labour to the BBC but it’s a waste of time. I think the whole BBC setup is biased, as proven on last Question Time.
Come on be fair the BBC do a good job considering how many coke heads they employ.
Does coke make you think fining the successful to reward the feckless is a good idea?
No point complaining about Naughtie.Anyone who can say”when we’ve won the election”whilst purporting to be an impartial interviewer and is not sacked must be fireproof somehow.Says all you need to know about the BBC.
The Millipedes are like the geeky ’swat’ that was allocated to every class in our ‘day’ -like a red head; a smelly kid; a nose-picker; A JAW DROPPER (not really); a clinically obese (PC version) kid; a perpetually filthy kid; a really shy one and then there was the noisiest and almost the most disruptive one….(hangs head in shame – NOT).
Spot the Milliband and the rest of the ‘cabinet’ here:
http://www.pjmorris.com/images/beano/bashstreet.jpg
Front row, 4th from the left.
“,,,,,,which Guido will spoil….”
lol!
Gordon Brown:
Long in Boom.
Long in Bust.
Gordon Brown:
Long In Boom.
Long In Bust.
………….. will my bold work this time?
I’m B O L D
I’m a man of courage
I wrote a book about it once.
It Started in America.
It Ended in the UK. – about 9 months later than everyone else….
All the credit expansion shenanigans started in the UK and ended in the UK.
We’re doing the right thing.
For Gordy this is the last desperate throw of the dice from a dying man. Either he knows he’s lying or all the rumours are true and he is certifiably insane.
He’s long past the latter.
A family friend who works at Numero Dix definitely thinks Cyclops is unbalanced and could disintegrate at any time. Presumably Dave is hoping the final collapse will come around March or April. I don’t see how such a totally miserable and distraught individual can keep going much longer.
He had a proper turn just before the summer recess, which was why he was off for so long.
I got that from a national hack who got it from a BBC radio presenter.
Those cocks know all about Gordon’s state….
Christ Guido your are an expert. Great article. Keep up the good work.
he’s both
WTF? How did that happen ? wrong post???
. . . . and that won’t be long now . . .
trying to write your letter of apllication Gorgon?
Here’s a start :
Dear Mr IMF,
I got me sums all rong.
xcept they were roit, but ovva people mucked them up.
like thamerakuns
but it wer’nt nuffin ta do wiv me, and it ain’t my fault.
give us the money . . . go on – give us.
It’s the right thing to do
making the difficult decisions….
I read a Karl Marx biography which included his later correspondence once… most of them were begging letters from the great economist addressed to richer relatives and friends.
Those that weren’t justifiying him fucking each and every housemaind he had, abandoning them, lying to wife and children.
A nice guy. Cared a lot for the little people.
Near the bottom: you’ve written it’s instead of its.
oo you torkin 2!!
I bin ed-ya-kay-tud ykno
It’s = contractions of ‘it is’ not posssseshun
the apo strophe indicates something or other
Apo is short for apochromatic but I’ve never heard of a strophe.Is it some kind of angry person?
A strophe is a structured section in a poem or song.
“Strophe” from the Greek bend.twist,or turn could be applied to M.P.s ,e.g They’re all a bunch of fucking strophes.Thank you for getting me to look it up Clio.
So,who will play Brutus ?
Ooooooh — you are awful!
When’s the next poll being published. I’m hoping for a real humdinger. Cat among the pigeons, possibly?
Won’t do nothing round here.
Cats all too fat
Pigeons just sit round eating bread.
Nuffin moves
A good analysis Guido, but the BBC disagrees. It’s all the tories’ fault, and anyway, the big story of the day is not this government’s incompetance in every field, it’s the tories not setting out their post-lisbon policy NOW.
PRAVDA – supporting incompetent, totalitarian, psychotic morons at every step; it’s what we do.
….I think Guido must have a ‘random-moderation-generator’ to ‘pull’ random posts just to keep tabs on what we’re saying/posting. Don’t take it personally PorkyPiesMP – it’s happened to me several times (but I am an infodel lol)- it’s random – like Gordy’s pea-sized brain.
Gordo Clown, ZaNuLab, liars liars pants on fire………
Odious turds!!!
Could you poop on me too?
Slow down my young apprentice.
In time we shall rule the galaxy forever for a thousand years!
The best cure for a hangover is to keep drinking.
The best cure for overspending is even greater overspending.
The best cure for a culture of risk driven by short-term bonuses is bigger bonuses.
The best cure for Lying is to keep Lying !
All lies end in murder
Which circles nicely back then to Matthew Norman in this morning’s Independent.
Take aim…..
Lying is so easy – I live a lie every moment of the day. Look at the lie I put about that I am gay just to garner a few “pink” votes, when in fact I am a happily married red-blooded heterosexual – ask Sarah. It’s not easy living with a lie like that every day, but I can do it.
The best cure for an over-sized state is more extortion.
Mctwat is toast and Cameron doesn’t need to say or do anything, just let one eye hang himself. no doubt he will return as some unelected euro twat
I aree.
Funnisest part of PMQs is the body language of the Labour benches and they all think the same thing at the same time – so loud you can almost hear it:
“Oh Christ, someone tell me he didn’t say that…..”
JMT I agree. They used to be nodding their heads in unison at whatever Brown said. Now they sit there all sullen and embarrassed. Harriet Hen’s face was a picture, she looked so fed up and never raised any support for Brown at all.
Because she’s waiting to move her lesbian mafia into Number 10.
That’s “lesbian muffia”.
How about a new campaign focusing on how rich Cameron’s parents were? Maybe make up a few stories about senior Tories and their families. Call them all racist?
Just you wait, we’ve got plenty more big guns to fire and the BBC will be right there to help us.
PMQ’s, plant more questions tell more lies….bang the desk….
Leak more lies to the press…..
Shout, scream and attack everyone not towing the party line…..
so admit nothing, deny everything and blame the Tories !!
Job done??
Just one problem, we know what you are up to, you odious turds!!
ZNL will just keep on lying, Guido. They have correctly realised that you can tell as many fibs as you like as long as it is what many want to hear. On top of which 12 years of Reducation courtesy of Mr Gonad means that a huge swathe of the population have little capacity for arithmetic nor comprehension of the language. Sad but true. So an increase in negative figures all round then; it is the right thing to do. [Cheers from the Labour benches]
which is why nulibour’s inward colonisation policy (see Neather) deliberately fails to even teach basic English to new arrivals from Fatwaland.
Time to summon the mozo de espada methinks.
Saw McNulty on TV this morning. Jeezzz, that guy’s certainly been eating too many pies at his parent’s house. He looks and walks like Mr Blobby now. And why isn’t the trougher being prosecuted instead of just having to make an apology for his expenses dodge?
This sort of stuff is what you’re very good at Guido, it has to be said. Apart from the “it’s” of course. Nice work..
What differentiates us from the likes of the US, France, Germany etc. is the depth of privatisation within our public servces. Public services are always more expensive to the taxpayer when supplied by the private sector. See, for example, the huge amounts of taxpayers’ money poured into both the NHS and the public transport system. Hardly any of it actually makes its way to the frontline, where respectively patients and passengers use the service, as the public money merely serves to subsidise the profits of the private companies involved in those sectors. Neither new labour nor the Tories can offer tax cuts such as to reduce the overall tax burden, because to do so would mean having to stop all the privatising with which they are so inexplicably obsessed.
That’s why I think it’s better that the state doesn’t run those things and allows people to be customers. At present the state is the customer, and we now the state is only good at force, not say healthcare or education.
know not now
Stop spoiling it all with facts.
This is a nice Brown bashing topic.
I am right, you are wrong!
Interesting and perceptive point.
Railtrack, before they became Network Rail, employed many firms (mostly staffed at the skilled levels by ex-British Rail people) to undertake track and signalling infrastructure maintenance. After many well-publicised problems, and huge rises in costs, they tried an experiment of bringing this work back ‘in-house’. Quality rose, costs fell, and things got done much more quickly.
Why? If you contract out, you must employ people to define the work, negotiate contracts by open tender, and monitor both the contract progress and the quality of the work done. The contractors have to employ people to assess the specifications put out by the client, prepare and submit tenders, and manage both contract progress and the work done. Then someone has to be employed to do the work. The result, especially for complex and safety-critical work, is that more people are employed to deal with the contractual issues than to do the work. If disputes arise (which they do, depressingly frequently) then client and contractor can end up discussing safety-critical issues affecting the running of trains through their respective solocitors. Not the best way to run a railway.
I have endured similar experiences in my life, in a different field of engineering endeavor. Working under the conditions that develop when contracts go awray is intensely stressful and frustrating, especially when you know that you could have done the job yourself in far less time, and for far less money than has been spent on contractual wrangling.
Buying out specialist experience is understandable, but for most organisations contracting out core activities usually results in large increases in costs.
+claps+
PFI = Bruined rubbish in one easy lesson.
Thanks Engineer
the first thing that went out the window when the railway was privatised was safety.
BR used to catalogue every single part of the railways. every item. and every item was replaced at a due date.
that book was torn up as soon as the industry was privatised. and so safety was immediately compromised, checks were not sufficient and people lost their lives as a result: the splintering of tracks being just one example.
honestly engineer, you claim to be an engineer and then you write garbage posts like that on subjects you claim to specialise in.
you’re full of shit.
How does what I wrote above contradict your point about rail safety?
Replacing something on a particular date does not guarantee safety. Equally true is that some railway equipment is very long-lived but still serviceable (there are still mechanical signalling installations in service, some parts of which are over 100 years old, but still judged safe and fit for purpose).
Highly stressed components, or those subject to severe corrosion or wear, require frequent replacement. All safety-critical components (and this is true of all industries, not just rail) should be frequently inspected, tested and passed fit for service or replaced.
don’t talk daft engineer, you are pro privatisation.
when you get caught out in an argument be a man for fucks sake and stand up for what you believe, even if you are wrong.
you coward.
people have died due to removal of safety policy from the railways so don’t you fucking dare talk about replacement not guaranteeing safety you fucking c’unt.
if parts are are not checked they will never be replaced and people will die.
care to argue against that logic shit for brains?
you are an idiot engineer.
a total fucking moron.
You clearly have little engineering knowledge or expertise.
TaT, why don’t you change the habits of a lifetime, and just for once, post something sensible or entertaining. Your constant spouting of rubbish and gratuitous insults is getting boring.
Mandatory replacment of equipment guarantees nothing, except spending more money on stuff.
A piece of signalling equipment can fail at any time, for example, AND it has a “best by” date, so to speak. If you rely solely on timed replacements, there is almost as much chance of a failure that is not due to wear and tear. And you’re needlessly spending a lot of money in the meantime.
Says a lot about this country when someone as knowledgeable and experienced as Engineer has the leisure to post on Guido Fawkes most days instead of working.
I thought we were crying out for trained engineers and had a skills shortage — hence the need for immigration. I’m being totally disingenuous here, my engineer husband sold his companies 15 years ago and we’ve been living off the proceeds since — there are no jobs for him in the present day UK. He should have done Media Studies.
if you do not like it here engineer then fuck off.
sarah,
got shares in the railways eh? never mind safety, damages your profits eh love.
you and engineer are a pair of wankers.
people have died due to reduction of safety on the railways carried out by private companies for no other reason than to increase profits. and yet and yet arseholes like you and engineer try to use semantics to justify reducing safetly levels.
you are nothing more than wicked imbeciles.
fuck off. c’unts like you are not welcome here.
Insults again – you don’t have much else, do you?
Others will judge what Sarah and I have written against your ramblings and draw their own conclusions.
oh and one last thing enginner you fuckwit: you are pro privatisation, yet you were just arguing against PFI, a finace package designed specifically to pay money to privatised companies!
DOH!
make your mind up you stupid c’unt.
now fuck off.
bollocks
BR never had enough money (that’s why the subsidy was so much less) and the network was completely bloody worn out. It didn’t fall to bits three years after privatisation.
What BR could do is patch it up expertly.
However, not always. Clapham ring any bells?
Lets be clear about something, at some point the recession/depression will bottom out since so much money both real and imagined has been thrown at it, but for The government to claim victory is a bit like accruing so much household debt that you have to sell your house, all your assets, the Kitchen sink and your granny coupled with taking out such a massive loan from ocean finance that you commit not just yourself but your childrens children to a lifetime in paying it off just to get on an even keel, to then turn around in the wake of all this carnage and claim that you are to be trusted on the household economy again would be a tad disingeneous dont you think ??
Why will the economic fall bottom out? The state has not stopped its economy harming actions.
Mandelson wants a bottom out.
The government is essentially taking money from productive people and giving it to feckless wankers to piss it up the wall. You can call it a “stimulus package” or whatever you want but it’s still the economics of the asylum. Only a complete and utter twat of epic proportions would think that taking money out of the economy via taxation and plugging it into the public sector or bailing people out will lead to economic growth. It’s a stupid thing to think, and borderline criminally insane to suggest as an actual economic policy.
Let’s hope so. But he still got off very lightly. We can send in the rossers to an old dear who has the temerity to write a letter that her council didn’t like, but when it comes to thieving public money they keep their distance.
If any of these odious bastards ever knock on my door in the run-up to the next GE, so help me I won’t be responsible for my actions.
The “P.C.p.c.’s are just the enforcers of New Labour.Remember the odious “Sir”Ian Blair,friend of the similarly named P.M.
It is getting worse for Brown. And what the heck was Michael White babbling on about? He seems to have lost the plot. And nice to see that Brown is playing the: “It wasnae me!” game. Apparently “a big boy called Bob Ainsworth did it, and then he ran awae!”
Brown hangs Ainsworth out to dry, MP’s resettlement grant slated for abolition, Kiss of doom for Blair’s Euro-ambitions, Michael White makes a fool of himself, Brown hates the armed forces, Osbourne is dangerous for Labour, murderer doesn’t have right to vote
What do you mean, The White Queen seems to have lost the plot!
She lost the fucking plot years ago when she took ZaNuLieBor’s shilling!
And they overpaid her, the dirty whore!
SIR Michael Shite is a total tool
McNulty shortly to be on 5 live. I ask this question again, is he part of the Metropolitan Police investigation.
In 2005 I stood as the Labour parliamentary candidate in Canterbury. The incumbent Conservative MP Julian Brazier increased his majority by from 2,000 in 2001 to 7,500 votes.
Now back to posting ‘hilarious’ pranks and Labour propaganda.
The student’s union is where I spend my spare time.
lol Hilton you make me laugh i’ll give you that much.
Nice to see it all come apart. What number Brown re-launch was that, it is into 3 gifures now is it not?
if only they would press the button to really launch brown into outer space. Guido could start a fund to raise enough money to make brown one of those space tourists; they we would be shot of him.
> Nice to see it all come apart.
Not really. It’s like laughing at the pilot shitting his pants as the plane you’re on crashes.
A little bit OT – but did anyone see Andrew Marr’s ‘personal’ and very biased view of our history in the last century, on BBC last night? The guy completely twisted everything around to make the upper and middle classes as the enemy and the workers as the heroes. It was utter nonsense and in many cases incorrect.
Why do these obssessive lefties try and change history? Marr is a nutter – he is clearly full of hatred and envy and a very angry man. All he did last night was slag this country off.
PRAVDA – rewriting history to salve our faux liberal middle class consciences; it’s what we do
Which bit was twisted?
The British built death/concentration camps in the Boer War?
The numbers of women and children that died through starvation, disease and neglect in the concentration camps?
The numbers of British troops that died?
Without philanthropy the Edwardian era would not have been what is was. Marr didn’t mention one philanthropist adn their good work, instead he just concentrated on his working class heroes; although he came a little unstuck when talking about the suffragettes as their founders were middle class.
And to show you stupidity, you only mention the Boer war which ended in 1902. I am talking about the state of england and society of which Marr chose to pass over, apart from slagging off the upper classes.
Master Baiter; if you had a bad education and do not know your history that is hardly my fault. I suggest you try a bit of self education as I haven’t the time here to give you a in depth look at the Edwardian Era, rather than a dumbed down idiot’s view like Marr’s.
Rowntree was more than mentioned.
Marr made the point that the reforms he and people like him campaigned for perhaps meant Britain didn’t have the revolutions other countries had.
Anything else twisted?
You lie Master Baiter…..tut tut! Rowntree was mentioned briefly in a positive light but that was that. What about Leverehulme, the Frys, Cabdury etc etc. ….and all the philanthropists who were building public libraries, parks and swimming baths for the masses? Were these people mentioned? No.
When Marr was rattling on about Birmingham and revealing his terrible hang ups viz a viz the right wing and Chamberlain, he didn’t mention once the Cadbury family who did a dam sight more for Birmingham than anyone else. It was strange that Marr mentioned Rowntree and not Cadbury. I could go on and on but haven’t the time or the inclination.
Master Baiter
October 29, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Aboslutely, not quite as one sided though as the propagandist Marr would have us believe.
Dopey,
Big deal he made the point that Rowntree and people like him meant that Britain didn’t have a revolution like other countries.
That’s not a lie, silly billy.
Some people find looking at history from different perspectives interesting.
Read the Ragged Trousered Philanthropists.
Don’t be so dismissive of working class aspirations, Thatcher never was, even if she put everything including Britain’s manufacturing base in to emasculating their unions.
Master baiter – you are a prize twat and at my age I very rarely use this word. You just don’t understand what others are trying to say and so twist it around to your own benefit. You are so sick you don’t even know you are doing it.
Why don’t you go somewhere else with all your hang ups and insecurities rather than clogging this message board with all your nonsense and left wing propaganda for children.
Are you one of these lying, labour misfits (Watson, Nick Brown, Campbell, Marr, McBride, Draper etc etc) as you talk in absolute riddles! You need help my man. You are not very good at spin and clearly have a sub standard brain. You just don’t get it do you?
There are no riddles intended, hopefully though eyes might be opened.
No disrespect to Old Thomas, however there tends to be a lot of in coming from pathetic, ill informed, bigotted and dimwitted dinosaurs on this site.
One thing to bear in mind and it is worth repeating:
Without decorum there can be no discourse.
Ok?
Master Baiter
…… when you are a lone voice and everyone is saying different to you, does it not occur to you, just for a moment, that it may be YOU who is wrong, small minded and bigoted? Just try and find a little humility, if that is at all possible in low life know-alls like you.
You are extremely arrogant and clearly not very well informed although you seem to think you are. So everyone is wrong and you are always right! This is a well known phsycological illness and I suggest you get help.
It’s ok really, thanks for the concern, very touching if a little creepy.
There’s a little clue in the name (optional).
Did that help, good, now best go for a lie down now, there, there, it’s ok, really…
Yes, but Marr didn’t mention what the Boers did to the british to make them so angry. It may have been a stupid unnecessary war, but both sides were guilty of terrible misdemeanors, although Marr chose only to concentrate on the crimes of the british for some reason. Selective memories get you nowhere and trying to change history is a pointless exercise.
He didn’t say one good thing about Edward V11, yet this man was called “The Peacemaker” as he travelled around europe and diplomatically kept peace; something that stoped as soon as he died.
Have you ever heard of the Entente Cordiale signed in 1904? If not masterbaiter, try looking it up and you may learn something.
The trouble is, people like Master Baiter are so full of their own self importance they genuinely think they know everything. In reality they know very little.
So no denying that tens of thousands of civilian women and children died in British concentration camps during the Boer War.
No denying the British army got a good kicking in the Boer War.
Fair enough.
Aboslutely, not quite as one sided though as the propagandist Marr would have us believe.
Edward the seventh kept peace in europe. His son was unable to do this and war broke out 4 years after the former’s death.
Fabian Society Eugenics were mentioned, bet that got the ZaNuLiebore DNA fiddlers sweating.
Red Andy is a typical socialist/leftist, they are serial liars because if they told the truth they would have less electoral support than the Yorkshire ripper, the socialists lie and engage in blame shifting and rewrite history because they are dishonest on a genetic level, their core belief is the ends justify the means which means they have no conscience or sense of right and wrong.
Well said Cassandra! They are a bunch of lying cowards. I don’t think humans can stoop much lower than nasty, envy filled socialists do. They really are products of the gutter and that is where they should get back to and leave the governing of this country to educated, patriotic and respectful people. Labour have destroyed this country and it will be very difficult to repair.
Labour just destroy anything that is good out of sheer envy and jealousy. They are very sick people who really do miss the point about civilisation and progress.
I heard Marr saying on Radio4 the other day that….”there is nothing more satisfying that giving the privileged the come upance they deserve”. How sick and nasty is that? He talks in riddles as he is just another state funded millionaire; therefore in my book, privileged.
Marr doesn’t seem to realise that given his large, taxpayer-funded earnings, and his position to expound his views at will, he is “the pivelidged”. He’d better exercise his responsibilities, or he might find himself getting a “come-uppance”.
He’s a state funded millionaire like Dimbleby and all the other ‘yes’ men (sheep). God help them when the tories win the election and disband the BBC.
Refer to it by whatever label, but why try to demonise people who think that a well educated population with good health care and a safety net against destitution leads to a more prosperous country?
That’s the rational in many successful countries like Germany, Norway, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Austria and others.
Perhaps the class envy issue is more the fear of those with unearned advantages having to compete with more gifted people from less well off families. Look at how post the 1986 Big Bang in the City led to a clear out of the disastrously thick cadre of ’stock brokers’ that previously lounged around the square mile to be replaced by shock horror, barrow boys.
Just a thought.
Masterbaiter – don’t bother thinking as your thoughts are those of an uneducated envious class hater.
The only people I hear talking about class these days are the f**cked up leftists who clearly feel socially inadequate and are ridden with hang ups and insecurities…….that’s why they kill anything that is good. There is nothing wrong with excellence, but the left hate it as it shows them up for the dumbed down idiots they are.
Refer to it by whatever label, but why try to demonise people who think that a well educated population with good health care and a safety net against destitution leads to a more prosperous country?
Well educated? where? What has Labour done to improved education? Oh, they’re keen on propaganda, but teaching kids to think? To question? Nah.
Here’s the think MB – if socialist reforms were right for this country, why has everything turned to shit? Why is it all getting worse? Why have we gone downhill since ww2?
Master Baiter, if that’s the best you can manage for a thought, I suggest you give up thinking and stick to onanism.
Britain is slipping down the international league tables on both education and healthcare, and the recent regulation debacle with banking suggests that some idiocy still remains in government and the city.
We’ve seen quite a few nepotistic actions over the last 12 years from the governing party, and one of the greatest chances the bright of less-well off backgrounds had of advancement, Grammar Schools, disappeared some time ago in most places. Dumbing education down to the lowest common denominator helps nobody, least of all the ‘bright’.
Master baiter = another class obssessed lefty. Can’t you think about something worthwhile? Do you understand human nature? Do you understand your history? Class exists in every country in the world but most people just get on with their lives accepting this….they don’t harp on about it all the time like lefties do…..(yawn)…… you cannot change human nature.
No need to sit on the fence.
Some people believe that a well educated population with adequate health care and a safety net against destitution leads to a more prosperous country.
Dimwits don’t.
Hahahaha
Master Baiter – of course well educated people are important to a country but labour don’t see this. They have successfully “dumbed down” the education standards by making exams easier so it looks as though people are getting cleverer. We know that under labour clever pupils are suffering because all the emphasis is put on thick pupils…..how stupid and daft is that? It certainly doesn’t create an educated nation but the opposite.
Also getting to university these days doesn’t mean you are clever – there are so many idots at uni at the moment studying pointless subjects such as “media studies” ….in other words, how to manipulate people and twist the truth (as that’s all media studies is).
So matey, as you so aptly state….YOU are the dimwit by supporting a govt who has managed in 12 years to obliterate excellence from the curriculum and created a nation of youngsters who (rather like you) think they are clever, but are sadly as thick as pig sh*t. Bye for now tosser. Ha ha ha
With a harridan wife with a face like a bulldog licking piss off a nettle, a load of child support to pay and the world sniggering behind their hands at the ludicrous situation of a journalist using a super-injunction to cover his own blushes, would not you be angry?
Isn’t”Porky” offensive to muslims,”Pie” to fat bastards,and “M.P.”to almost everybody?
Hoping so.
On 11th November, 1975, the Queen’s Representative in Australia, The Governor General, Sir John Kerr, following a number of scandels in the lower house, dismissed the Australian Prime Minister, Gough Whitlam and appointed the opposition leader, Malcolm Fraser, as Prime Minister. Fraser then advised Kerr to dissolve Parliament and call a General Election which he did.
Given the current levels of corruption and fraud in both the Commons and Lords, the appalling levels of incompetence in Ministerial Departments that have resulted in the deaths of British Military Personnel and the loss of billions of pounds to the British Taxpayer, is there no process that that the citizens of the UK have recourse to halt this downward spiral of a once great society.
If Her Majesty can intervene for what she perceived as for the good of Australia, why not do the same for her own country?
Thank God my children and grandchildren are here and contributing to a young and vibrant country. As the Aussies say – It took us 200 years to build a civilisation and you 20 years to destroy yours.
Watch this space, Bruce.
It’s not good at the moment, but the British are at their best when their backs are to the wall.
Getting out of this hole won’t be quick or easy, but there are enough people around who realise we’re in a hole, we need to stop digging, and then we need to scramble out and fill the hole in. The first stage – perhaps the most frustrating for those of us who want to make a start on the job – is to wait for the calling of a general election.
thats a laugh and a half you’ve got a loony labour government in charge at the moment and boatloads of immigrants on your sunny shores daily.
talking about OZ land
No not 20, Labour have done it in 12.
Oz here I come.
fucking ozzies won’t let me in. I’m too old.
Hoons
PDU – don’t forget that HM has done ths twice in Australia. The mad socialist nutter, Jack Lang, was removed from the Premiership of New South Wales by the State Governor, Sir Philip Game at the height of his (Lang’s) lunacy in the early 1930’s.
And yesterday The Australian contributed that Britian was the first Soft Totalitarian state
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25361297-7583,00.html?from=public_rss
Gordon’s promised a £985million gift of taxpayers’ cash to India. Where’s he going to get that from?
Does it matter? The important thing is that we help India finance its space program during these difficult times.
… and that they in turn will ship emergency rations of Chicken Balti as and when needed
Also India needs money to pay for all the cricketers that they hire from the rest of the world.
It’s to rescue India’s poor, oppressed populace from having to work in call centres exported from Britain.
First we give them our jobs, then our taxes.
I have a feeling that these gifts of taxpayers money get recycled towards MPs career prospects post electoral oblivion…
I could get a fucking huge Lamb Buna for that money down my local indian!
I could get a fucking huge Lamb Buna for that money down my local indian!
That must be Gordon’s cure for cancer!!!!!
North of the border a lamb boner is more accessible inthe remoter areas.
Gordon has always been out of kilter and isolated
The problem for us is that he’s such a fat ugly bastard he’s too heavy to lift any more ….call for a crane please…..
Splendid news! NuLab’s reign of sleaze and incompetence is that much closer to being over! :D
Someone call?
Would it matter if he was? Are you so insecure in heterosexuality that you’re worried you can catch gayness?
I find the sight of two men kissing in the street a little bit creepy.
HATE CRIME!! HATE CRIME!! HATE CRIME!! HATE CRIME!!
The term ‘gay’ was an acronym for “Good As You” on the original San Fransisco gay pride marches… but during the ’80s it began to stand for “Got AIDS Yet?” [allegedly]
AIDS = Anal Induced Death Shot
Is somebody nobbling this site. Twice today I’ve had video adverts start up on their own whilst I’ve been submitting comment. Weird!
Aha. Lord Mandelson will be able to denounce you as a miscreant who has been found guilty of illegally downloading video adverts. You will be cast into the outer darkness and forbidden all future internet access.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1865
Here’s another aspect of the recession that the current government is trying desperately to play down – unemployment, especially among the young, is becoming endemic.
The next government has yet another headache. There is no short-term answer to this.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/edmundconway/6457737/A-social-timebomb-is-set-to-explode-in-Britain.html
NO MINIMUM WAGE AND NO STEALING (I MEAN BENEFITS)
I don’t know where you get your info on Obama – the man is just spend, spend, spend, as far as I can see.
Obama = Gordon + Autocue.
Palin = Dubya + bush
Cameron = Blair
Brown = Bonzo the Clown
Brown = Blair – P.R. and the RADA lessons
Surely McFuckwit had an unresolved early life traumatic experience with a Huntley and Palmer Osborne biscuit that seems to have got brown somehow. He came across on PMQ as plainly hysterical.
(BTW Toady seems to have set a record today – in 7 minutes between opening up and the weather I heard one story in the past tense. Farmer of the Day also gone loopy giving air time to some nut forecasting beer at £16 a pint. BBC also given up on reality).
http://markwadsworth.blogspot.com/2009/10/fun-with-numbers-18-pint-of-beer.html
No the smart money’s definitely on a Bath Oliver…
Probably set him going on his farinacio-phobia (a fear of all starch) combined with his closet homosexuality. In addition, remember Oliver Letwin was Shadow Chancellor in 2003 — having to face a more educated opponent who was the son of two eminent economists across the DB with that fateful name and it’s association with baths (and male nakedness) sent him completely over the edge.
I rest my case M’Lud.
Good Heavens Guido.
Britain’s economy is now smaller than Italy’s?!!! I didn’t realise. An exchange rate effect, but then, is there any reason to believe the pound will ever recover? So perhaps that effect is permanent now….Do you have the figures btw?
You’d think Tuscan prices would make even the chattering classes see how bad things are and you might expect an outcry. Apparently not much of one yet.
Italy has a large “black” economy that’s effectively un/low taxed. This keeps it well above the UK.
At last some good news! Polly Twaddle will be feeling the pinch she’ll probably even have to tread her own grapes of wrath in 2010.
I love big government and during the term of the next parliament I aim to place a greater emphsis on establishing an relentless and faceless monolithic bureaucracy that is built to last.
I think Gordon will be gone by Christmas. Not because of his dithering, lying, thieving or generally inept performence as PM and chancellor but because of the expenses fiasco – ‘honourable members’ don’t give a monkey’s about what he has done to the country but change to their personal expense scams will not be forgiven. Deluded about their personal guilt, they will direct their wrath at Gordon..
Agreed… should have got Hutton to do another proper whitewash. Totally screwed up appointing Legg.
“who by some accounts took the released figures very badly”
Have you any more on this? I love all the flying Nokia, carpet chewing stuff.
As somebody famous (and wise) once said, no country ever taxed its way to prosperity.
Sadly G Osbourn still has his “L Plates” on and we are expected to vote the Tories into power on a pitiful “we are all init together” slogan
We are “in it” OK thanks to Nulab but I have no confidence in the Tory giZ a job boy scouts ever being “INNIT” unless of course Georgie gets his wealthy dad to pay more taxes (fat chance).
None of the above never was more true!
“We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.”
Winston Churchill (PBUH)
Bye then.
Well, there you have it. Labour WRONG on everything. Election please! What a democracy we live in where we keep calling for one and they don’t oblige.
What worries me most is not that nuLieBore think they can convince the people to vote them back it, but they are probably right. Short of killing O’Bama’s puppy with his bare hands outside No. 10, I don’t know what he has to do to alienate the final 30% that still vote for him. He just has to build on that just a little bit and he’ll succeed.
The opposition is still a waste of space; no vision and no policies.
I suppose that if he ate the dog after killing it then it would appeal to the Asian vote.
Gordons first act as chancellor was to give the job of setting interest rates to the BoE.
He was lauded by the pundits at the time.Why?
This act gave GB plausable deniability when rates were kept historically low giving rise to historically high house prices not linked to inflation.
people had to lie about earnings to willing lenders who lied about their balance sheets.
Add to all this Gordons dislocated financial regulation system and you have the shit we are in.
When average earnings were 28k but average house prices were 180k even a shmuck like me smelt a rat.
This was deliberate. High house prices have kept Labour in power for 12 years.
Yes, you are right. It is called the perceived wealth effect. It is a deliberate policy and has been at the core of nuLieBore maintaining power.
Correct and it is at its heart, morally corrupt.
Yep, Low House Affordability is NOT a public good, it’s economically harmful.
Perhaps it is time for a “Pigs would fly poster” for Miliband and Mandelson
So prescient!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1355000/images/_1359332_devileyes_pa150.jpg
It’s all going pear-shaped for Labour. About to be ex MP for Shepherds Bush, “Andy” (What a Friendly Little Chappie I am) Slaughter made a tit of himself on the radio using the old “Tory Toffs” line! He claimed that all Tories were Old Etonians. Trouble is, he forgot that the one that’s going to pulverise him into the dust next May was brought up on a Council Estate!
I want a leader who was born in a Datsun estate!
Osbourne is an obsessional fear for Labour, hence obsessional blather churned out against him and the coordinated attacks previously mentioned. Given what we know of Brown’s obsessional scheming mentality, the Shadow Chancellor has seriously got under his, and his henchmens’ skins. Whatever his faults, Osbourne, is a lightning conductor for the Tories, and one who increasingly deflects the bolts back onto his enemies.
They are trying to discredit him now so that once he get his hands on the books after the election, and reveals the true depth of the mess Labour have left, they can say he doesn’t know what he is talking about.
They are terrified of him because he will be the one that reveals just how bad they have been.
Plaid cyrmu “barrister” just been telling porkies on Radio 5 live. He had read fatarses report and knew why she was free to repay fuck all, however he didnt know the make up of the enquiry board, predominantly labour.
So the Hoon read the report from cover to cover but didnt read who were the authors. He was on annual leave when the judgement was made. He just had the whole of summer off.
Stick to burning cottages you dickhead
I heard him too – a disgrace. All together now with the old refrain – They. just. don’t. get. it.
we wont have tax cuts here.from the party of 100+ stealth taxes????
our weirdos only want control……they know everything………
living in a rectory makes you a deity……….
brown,badger,the effing postie,mandy the cottager……..
all complete rejects..
our pm is supposed to be a history scholar………
debt has resulted in many 3rd world countries becoming bankrupt….in the 1970s in particular they borrowed and borrowed….
yet this tit that wants to save the world is pushing the euk into the jaws of the debt trap…….
save the world? he cant even save a quid!!!!!!!!!
I recall the 1997 labour mantra of the tories 21 tax increases, every opportunity that number would be mentioned. But now, 100+ stealth taxes, we hear nothing from the opposition; this fact and all the lies pumped out over the past 12+ years must be the mantra as the clock ticks down to the election. It is hard to comprehend way so many people still think labour is worth voting for, well that’s education for you under a labour government. Each and every day new revelations, each and every day more bad news, each and every day we add to the debt, and they just keep spending, messing up and blaming every one but themselves. Weak, weak weak! Dither dither dither!
BROWN’S A DEAD MAN.
Hello Mandy.
######Public sector to suffer 15 year recession######
“The impact of the global economic downturn could be felt for as long as 15 years in some areas of the public sector, according to delegates at an international public finance conference.”
Especially in UK as Broon is forced to abandon his own bubble that of the client state. Over the years 2000 – 2008 the public sector grew and grew creating an aura of never ending growth, squeezing the private sector out in many cases. Now this will wipe labour.
The extortion funded sector grows at the expense of the economy and liberty.
Good
What a shame. Oh no, hang on, I meant “ha! ha!”
The public sector should suffer en endless recession.
Ideally it should shrink to nothingness.
About a year ago, Iain ran a “You can tell you’re a conservative when ….” comptition.
My own entry went something along the lines of “… you read about a new government policy and predict exactly how and why it will fail and you are proved right in two or three years.”
With the permission of my fellow blogistanis I’d now like to correct that statement to read:
“You can tell when you are a conservative when you read about a new government policy and predict exactly how and why it will fail and you are proved right in eighteen months.”
Yeah and you can tell when we have a ruined country when the crooks are in Government and they are pally pally with the ones outside. Meanwhile honest, decent folk get harrassed by the law.
God please get us out of this hell.
people worried about their jobs in the most painful recession ever recorded will go out and splurge Tax cuts on consumer spending and not save it
obvious innnit ?
for the hard of thinking Osborne and Darling won’t rule out Tax RISES.
Which is because they are going to cut taxes of course and ignore the catastrophic debt
it’s like Dubya’s economic play time around here sometimes
This is literally jaw-dropping
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6453268/Council-bans-parents-from-play-areas.html
I’m telling you, if these fuckers in government/council/education are not rooted out and fired/burned they will *inevitably* decide parents cannot be permitted to bring up their own children.
Socialism cannot work unless it destroys all bonds that are not government controlled; it must destroy the family. This is their goal.
Unbelievable. Well its not actually. Facist weirdo’s.
I keep reading that no body will invest in Britain if we come right out of Europe. I say Bollocks. I bet more would rather invest in a free non socialist society unclamped by rules, regulation and miserable people.
We need MPs to understand they are here to administrate the country, not RULE us.
Over here in the free socialist Republique of France we don’t have any of these spy and control problems and we are EEC founders.
Its the little Hitler mentality of the socialist controlled UK civil service and the gold plating of every single EU directive plus an absurd notion that you are supposed to implement and obey them, that does for you poor sods.
Italians, Spaniards, the French Germans just pick and mix it.
“Due to Ofsted regulations we have a responsibility to ensure that every authorised adult who enters our site is properly vetted and given a Criminal Records Bureau (CRB) check by Watford Borough Council.”
Pseudo-legal wiffle handy to hide behind. Only the ‘play rangers’ would be considered authorised adults and thus require CRBs. Parents are merely members of the public on public land, and as such surely do not require CRB checks nor can be prevented from accessing it. The Council appear to have decided that no adults save for authorised ones can be on the site, which is illogical.
“We must create out of the younger generation a generation of Communists. We must turn children, who can be shaped like wax, into real, good Communists…. We must remove the children from the crude influence of their families. We must take them over and, to speak frankly, nationalize them. From the first days of their lives they will be under the healthy influence of Communist children’s nurseries and schools. There they will grow up to be real Communists.”
-Communist Party Education Workers Congress (1918)
Yup. Stalin tried, Hitler tried, Mao tried, Pol Pot tried
Of course, you wont’ see fucking Andrew Marr talking about that. Won’t ever hear the unspeakable evil that is *necessary* in order for socialism to work on the BBC. Nope, just dumbed down crap about common ownership and feckin’ sweden. Socialism/communism requires the destruction of all loyalties that are not to the state. Becuase only by doing this do you remove both the mechanism and the motivation for individual effort, for individual distinction. Socialism demands murder, imprisonment, dehumanisation, eugenics, genocide – it cannot work otherwise.
socialists=evil
Well Done Guido. Thank you. I wouldn’t have time to do what you do for us; researching and all. Thank you.
Penny pinching by Brown and co is killing our armed forcesas much as the taliban Lets not forget that almost 70 have committed suicide.Labours Britain.We send our forces to war (WMD)and when they come home offer little or no help.
Shocking and totally ignored by the msm and the bbc it’s a bloody disgrace!
Whats happened to master baiter?
Why….do you miss him?
Yes.MB,s knowledge of all things economic are badly missed regarding the shocking figures today.It all started in America.HaHaHa
Ha,Ha,Ha etc
He died after a collision with reality?
masterbaiter was rumbled.
she was a new labour troll who was paid money to post here.
ever since that fact came to light she just disappeared.
excellent work by thick as thieves: keeping threads clean from scum like masterbaiter.
Got a flat wheel huff puff?
Out of steam?
Need a good shunting?
If anybody is gonna shunt tat it’s us, not a fucking Liebore tranny boy.
KERCHING!
money in the bank, eh MB. how much have you made today you whore?
just out of interest, how much are you paid per post by the new labour war party?
Sniffing out DNA fiddlers since 1997
His prozac stopped working, the full horror of the reality of New Labour National Socialism dawned upon him in his moment of clarity, he came to his senses, felt sickened that he had been a toadying ill shill for war criminals & blew his brains out.
Tried to blow his brains out and missed!!
“Brown Down”, yet again Brown is his own worst enemy, and he is in such a confused state that he believes the Conservatives have got it all wrong. Poor deluded Brown, more medication will be needed, possibly even a “padded room” at the bunker, for those bad ‘Nokia” moments Brown is prone too.
Brown is not isolated enough, maybe Darling could lend him his “beach hut” on that remote Scottish island he owns, but forget to ever pick him up from there. Labour and Brown have done their utmost to ruin Britain, Mandelson was right “Britain is Broken” and Brown did it!
Business absolute pants at the moment.
Next Q figures will be, I reckon, down as well.
If Labrat think they can rely on slight upturn
to give momentum. Could be catastrophic for them.
Vat receipts must be appalling. And thanks to posties, late.
This lot could panic big style after Christmas.
I’m looking forward to a giant plot end of January.
Get someone else in to avoid complete disaster
“Too late for Gordon, who by some accounts took the released figures very badly.”
Picture the scene….
“Hello. Phones4U”
“Hi. It’s Janice here from Number 10″
“Hi Janice. What can we do for you?”
“Well we need another crate of Nokias”
“Didn’t we send you Novembers crate of 100 on Monday?”
“You did. They’re all gone.”
“o-o-o-okay-y-y. We’ll send another crate tomorrow. That ok?”
“Fine. Ciao.”
“With the industrialised world’s two biggest economies – Germany and the United States”
Japan doesn’t count as industrialised??
he really did end boom and bust
Cameron and Osborne have come out!
M.B.Where did it all go wrong?You must like a right tosser .
They’ve come out in favour of QE (quantitative easing), so they think printing money is the right thing to do in this crisis. Which is global and started in America.
Hahahaha!
What is it with the nervous laugh thing? You really must be cracking up.
Hahaha
Humour him heehee… he’s like his boss, that inane grin/gurn is a classic symptom of a mind driven over the edge of the abyss, but on here they have to type it… it started with Dan Hannon.
Yeah, where did it all go wrong?
where is your office master wanker?
labour party hq?
a bedsit?
how much do you get?
10p per post?
minimum wage?
just what is the price of supporting treasonous arseholes nowadays?
Crumbs! A macho midget, how quaint.
Is Brown Crackers?
KERCHING!
another fiver in the retirement fund, eh miss baiter.
O/T
European Central Bank governing-council member Axel Weber just said “the situation was still in many ways worse than before the Lehman Brothers collapse in September 2008”
see http://www.forexyard.com/en/reuters_inner.tpl?action=2009-10-29T111312Z_01_FAB013295_RTRIDST_0_ECB-WEBER-URGENT
The ECB is looking for an “”Exit from unconventional (liquidity) measures should come gradually,”
If the ECB are this worried about the strength of their financial institutions and are also looking to exit short term liquidity funding, what does that say for the economic recovery.
Just imagine how Brown and Darling will look if GDP growth does not return by the end of the year
+++ANNOUNCEMENT+++
The blogger previously known as Master Baiter has now commenced with her hormone therapy, and wishes in future to be known as Poor Cow, poor cow.
This quack keeps pricking himself, be warned.
….said the little prick.
KERCHING!
MB gets paid to make another post on behalf of the war criminal zanulab party.
money for old rope innit.
Torygraph reporting real figures of 5.7 million unemployed. 20% of those under 25 don’t have a job. The poor buggers. Anyway, in the comments section under the article, one champion suggests getting the young going on community projects and paying them, wait for it, below minimum wage. Yes, some imbecile said that. Take the jobs away, take the hope away, and then punish them for it. Britain is a sickening, unfair,unjust society.
anyone with any sense will leave the uk asap…….
where will the investment money come from?
and owning/running a business is in many cases made worthless because of rates/rent/n.i…….green taxes etc……….
zimbabwean model being followed by lab criminals.
The BBC were also in on this with their leftie mates from the Grauniad. All morning last Friday the BBC were “bigging up ” the economy telling us that “we were going to be officially out of recession” and it was obvious they were ready to attack George Osborne as the BBC really do hate his guts.
But of course it all fell apart for the BBC and the one eyed fool.
How many more times is the BBC going to tell the lie that the “Tories got it wrong on the economy” when we are in the longest recession EVER.
Fuck off.
Osborne is knob, end of! ;)
WTF does that make Gordon Brown then?
Liarbore can bitch all it wants about “saving the economy.” It did the Tories fuck all good in 1997.
The USA in also out of recession
having just reported GDP quarter on quarter growth of 3.5% which was better than the 3.2% expected and previous quarter of -0.7%
Gordon is looking isolated
Not really. Cash for Clunkers and overblown government spending means that, like Australia’s “recovery”, it’ll be back down in Q4.
Keynesian economics work!
This is going beyond surreal: Fawkes defending the Tories because they’re too wet to stand up for themselves against their bosom chums, Labour.
Did Churchill defend Mussolini against Hitler?
Where is that imbecile Master Baiter at the moment? His “justification” for the UK still being in recession (ie: so is the USA, so that’s all right) has just been blown out of the water:
From today’s Telegraph:
“The US economy has emerged from its deepest slump since World War II, new figures showed today.”
So, MB, you little twerp, McDoom’s UK is indeed the woirst placed of all the G7 nations after all, isn’t it?
In b4 Ofuckface gets all the credit even though it’s a hollow recovery propped up by government spending, the same thing that got us here in the first place.
OT but it seems that Millipede senior’s attack on the Tories’ EU partner is failing too.
I know that these ZaNuLieBor idiots think that they know best about everything, but do Millipede’s antecedents outrank the Chief Rabbi of Poland?
He obviously thinks they do, the poor deluded fuckwit!
—- US OUT OF RECESSION, Q3 GDP UP 3.5% ——–
It may have started in America but it’s finished there. UK still stuck in the mud.
http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2009/10/29/80301/us-q3-gdp-rises-35-per-cent-ending-us-recession/
so wot
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Labour/MOD scum are more concerned with kitting out thier offices than improving aircraft safety.Brown/Ainsworth.Blood is on your hands.
I see why our ‘government’ was so keen to trumpet NCRock’s early repayment of part of our loan to them. It was so that we could lend them even more.
Reminds me of ZaNulieBor getting in early with ‘we have repaid debt’, when in reality they doubled it between 2002 and pre-crash 2007.
Just goes to prove that all this government’s efforts are going into re-electing New Labour and not towards turning round the UK Economy. The best thing for Britain would be for Labour to lose every seat at the next General Election. Come on Clegg point your guns in the direction of New LabScum in future. And don’t take any fucking prisoners.
NEW LABOUR – WRONG POLITICS, WRONG POLITICIANS, WRONG POLICIES
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Whether or not you believe the ONS -0.4% figure for UK 3Q GDP, the US number released today (growth of 3.5% in the 3Q) really has to sock it to Gordon.
The raving lunatic tried to feed us lies about his jumped up stimulus packages (in reality QE is the only thing worth writing home about).
Time for this moron to face the music and piss off.
One eyed Scottish moron if you please.
Great sound bite from Osborne on sky News just now.
“Gordon Brown claimed to have saved the world, except he forgot about the UK”
Fawkes, this is a superb piece of blogging.
Some of the filler material isnt up to scratch these days wot wiv all the jonny come latelys to entertain, but this is fantastic.
Fucking Al ‘bullying mental’ Campbell, and Little Lord Sodomite, what a pair of parasites on the British political system
So today both America has started to grow and in Germany the unemployment rate fell in September.
Of course the bbc only mentioned Obama’s USA result, and not a mention on Germany’s achievement. Wonder why?
As for Naughty, I have complained many times about his obvious bias and still get the usual bbc reply.
Today I complained at how on radio 4 World at One they gave a soft interview with a known MP Labour bully and cheat McNulty who for some reason is only paying £13k after cheating us of £60k
Tonight listening to PM with the odious Carolyn Quinn, another biased left winger, still no mention of Germany but plenty on Obama and Blair.
The US is out of recession. Britain still isn’t.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8331497.stm
Labour are prolonging the recession and delaying the recovery.
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Meet the next Prime Minister, Lord Mandelson
The Constitutional Reform Bill will make it possible – and plausible, say his supporters – for Lord Mandelson to launch himself into Number 10. Will he be tempted, asks Andrew Pierce, and could he succeed?
By Andrew Pierce
Published: 6:56AM GMT 29 Oct 2009
Speculation that Lord Mandelson could be a future Labour Prime Minister has intensified Photo: AFP
It was meant to be a novel measure to allow peers to answer questions in the House of Commons. Instead, it could be the lever that Gordon Brown’s enemies need to crowbar him out of Downing Street and install in his place Labour’s most formidable operator. At first glance, the latest piece of constitutional tinkering by Mr Brown merely sets the stage for Lord Mandelson, the Business Secretary, and Ken Clarke, his Opposition shadow, to do battle across the Dispatch Box.
But if the change is signed off by John Bercow, the Speaker, it will also raise the possibility of one of the most extraordinary episodes in Britain’s political history: Baron Mandelson of Foy in the County of Herefordshire and Hartlepool in the County of Durham adding two more monikers to his grandiose title. Namely, Prime Minister and First Lord of the Treasury.
Constitutional reform is ad hoc claim MPsAs improbable as it may seem, there have been persistent murmurings at Westminster that Lord Mandelson, for so long the kingmaker, ought to seize the increasingly battered crown for himself. The talk is not confined to Parliament’s tea rooms: it has even percolated into the Downing Street bunker, where Mr Brown, his fingernails chewed ever closer to the quick, is wondering aloud about whether he will have to make a last desperate stand against the man he brought back from exile to save his administration.
If the Cabinet, which has failed to unite behind any replacement candidate since the Brown premiership hit the rocks, backed Lord Mandelson as acting Prime Minister, he would be the first from the upper chamber since Lord Salisbury, who took over in 1881.
Speculation that such an unlikely scenario is possible has intensified since Mr Brown said, in a letter to the Speaker this week, that he saw “no reason” why ministers in the Lords should not answer to MPs in the Commons chamber. If, as expected, the new Speaker repays the support of the Labour MPs who elected him by agreeing to the request, it will not just be one of the biggest overhauls of parliamentary procedure in centuries; it will also remove the greatest impediment to a Mandelson premiership.
Lord Mandelson, by having the right to speak in the Commons, would be accountable to MPs as often as Mr Brown is (and arguably more frequently than Tony Blair, who loathed the place). It’s true that the Business Secretary will not have a mandate from the voters – but nor has Mr Brown, whose party members were not even offered a choice of candidates.
“Peter is easily the most impressive [performer] we have got,” says one senior Labour Party figure, who is close to Mr Blair. “It’s true many of us have been talking about finding a way that he could do it. He gets things done. He has credibility. He’s the only one who scares the Tories.” For months, such hopes were mere wishful thinking: “It was never possible to have a caretaker prime minister from the Lords if he could not be held accountable by the elected chamber. That barrier is now being removed.”
Yet even if the measure does not go through, a wily operator like Lord Mandelson always has a back-up plan. When asked in June whether he would stand again as an MP, he said that it was against the law. “Of course,” he added, “you could always change the law.” The following month, the Government announced that it was doing just that. The Constitutional Reform Bill will, for the first time, allow life peers to resign from the Lords. When it becomes law, Lord Mandelson will be entitled to follow the example of hereditary peers such as the 14th Earl of Home, who in 1963 renounced his peerage, won a by-election, and became prime minister.
Critics on the Tory benches were initially baffled as to why the legislation was being put forward at all, given the seriousness of the country’s economic problems and the proximity of a general election. A growing number now suspect they know the answer. As caretaker leader, Lord Mandelson could, according to the plotters, soldier on to the election or pick his moment to fight a safe seat. Hilary Armstrong, the former Labour chief whip with a solid 13,443 majority in Durham North West, is standing down at the election, and the guarantee of a peerage might persuade her to go earlier. Other seats in Labour’s heartlands could also be fixed in return for a suitable bauble for the retiring Labour MP.
The main obstacle to Lord Mandelson realising his dream of going one better than his grandfather Herbert Morrison, who became Foreign Secretary, has always been his fractious relationship with the grassroots. As Tony Blair once said, tongue firmly in cheek: “My project will be complete when the Labour Party learns to love Peter Mandelson.” Yet in the past few months, it appears to have done just that. At the Labour conference, his appearance brought cheers, wolf whistles and catcalls – even before he began to speak. It was as if a rock star had appeared on stage for the first time since Mr Blair left it.
“Conference, let me say, after these years away – it’s good to be back home,” said Lord Mandelson, rocking back on his heels as they roared their approval. “I did not choose this party,” he said. “I was born into it. It is in my blood and it is in my bones. I love this party and those who work so hard for it – even if, at times, perhaps not everyone in it has loved me.” A leadership speech? He was certainly given a rapturous ovation.
The rapprochement with the activists has been fuelled by his abandoning the hated plans to part-privatise the Royal Mail, and persuading David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary, not to resign after James Purnell’s dramatic exit from the Cabinet after the European elections. “James knew that David wanted to be leader, he thought he should be leader, so laid his life down for him,” says another senior Blairite. “Yet Miliband stayed put. No one will make that sacrifice for David again. He is powerless to move against Gordon.”
When Lord Mandelson was rewarded for his loyalty with the title First Secretary of State, it was the culmination of a remarkable rehabilitation. In 2001, he was a pariah after leaving the Cabinet for a second time: his appointment as EU Trade Commissioner was meant to be the end of his domestic political career.
But he revelled in his new role, shedding his reputation as high priest of spin and becoming a major figure on the world stage. Since his return, the Business Secretary has become arguably the most powerful Cabinet minister since Michael Heseltine was made deputy prime minister by a weakened John Major after John Redwood’s failed leadership challenge in 1995. Indeed, even though Heseltine was hated by many Tory MPs for his role in the assassination of Margaret Thatcher, he might have been their choice to replace Major if he had lost in 1995. Heseltine looked like a winner. The Blairites think Lord Mandelson does, too.
Could the rest of Labour’s MPs come to terms with it? A word from Tony Blair might help, along with the blessing of the Foreign Secretary, and the immediate return of James Purnell. Also, thanks to the expenses scandal, many Labour MPs fear they will not just lose their seats, but find it difficult to get any work at all in the private sector. It’s why they are desperate to get rid of Mr Brown and want Cabinet heavy hitters to tell him it’s all over. One trigger could be a bad result in next month’s by-election in Glasgow North East, caused by the elevation of the former Speaker Michael Martin to the Lords.
There is another question: even if all the cards fall into place, would Mandelson want the job? “It seems far-fetched,” says one close friend, “but I am sure he would much rather prefer to be thought of than not. And he has a very commanding air at the moment.”
As for the man himself, when asked about becoming prime minister in a recent interview, he paused, smiled, and said: “That one might be a comeback too many.” But then again, it might not.