Freedom of Speech Includes “Hate Speech”
Pauline Howe, 67, wrote a letter to Norwich Council objecting to a local gay pride march. She used the word “sodomites” and objected to “perverted sexual practices”. A tad old fashioned, something you would perhaps be embarrassed by if your aunt blurted it out at Christmas.
Subsequently two police officers turned up on her doorstep to warn her that she had committed a “hate crime”. Guardianistas cheer on the police.
The comic Jimmy Carr told an audience of 2,500 at the Manchester Apollo: “Say what you like about servicemen amputees from Iraq and Afghanistan, but we’re going to have a f*****g good paralympic team in 2012.” Daily Mail leader writers are outraged.
Get a grip. There is no right to not be offended.
If somebody offends you in your own house, you can throw them out. if somebody offends you in a public space, without inciting violence or defaming you, tough. Sticks and stones may break your bones, but words should not be legislated.
It may be ill-mannered, it may be vulgar and offensive, but it should not be illegal. People going to a Jimmy Carr show can’t expect not to wince and laugh, venturing into the comments on this blog is not for the thin-skinned either. People need to grow up and keep a sense of proportion, or else life could get very boring and sterile. You don’t want to end up like Sunny Hundal, a man so right-on as to be a walking parody. Once in a fit of rage, yet so conflicted by political correctness, all he could do was call Guido “you bloody human!”
Shouldn’t have used the word bloody. Are you human Guido? Thought you were a cartoon!!
What is it with homosexuals, that they must march through the streets barely clothed and buggering each other?
Pretty impressive to march and bugger at the same time
Sorry you are right. Should have said mince through thye streets.
but what is the point of it all?
BEND OVER..
Anyone up for a Straight Pide march?
I’m sure we could EU/Govt/Lottery funding
Financial misconduct = Conservatives
LOL just as funny now as it was back then. Thanks for that.
Brilliant and well written “you bloody human”.
Maybe she should have written pederasts instead of sodomites? Though the latter is a biblical use of the activity. Either way sodomy, buggery and men kissing in public ARE DISGUSTING!
There, I’ve committed a hate crime and feel well satisfied.
I suppose you could have them all dressed as pantomime horses – then you couldn’t see that the one behind was buggering the one in front…simples!
“but what is the point of it all?”
To show that they are aware, organised, and active.
Not that I support hate-crime legislation, but if they didn’t march through streets there would be nothing stopping the establishment pandering to the crazy religious types like Pauline Howe who think their mythical insane god gives a crap about what goes on in consenting adults’ bedrooms.
Squad will advance in revue order.
By the front ……( waitforit,waitforit)…..QUEEEECK BUGGER!
It’s in our DNA.
When I read that I recall the news today about Downs Syndrome children being aborted and wonder, if there were a gay gene would we be quietly content to have that tested for parents who wanted to send them down the sluice.
I suspect our progressive friends would find and objection. Some foetuses are more human than others?
It bloody well is NOT in mine,so there.
Pauline Howe should subscribe to this blog.The thought police won’t be around so quick
A friend of mine made a valid observation after witnessing a so-called ‘pride’ march. He said, “If you didn’t hate them before, you will now!”
Judging by the vulgar freak show it was, I’m inclined to see his point.
But will you let him see yours?
That’s rich coming from someone who doesn’t have any point.
Someone draw this eejut a picture
I’d like to see them try, you fucking cretin.
What for?
By the way, have you shown it to him yet?
Did it satisfy your inclination?
Well we all know which way you incline ducky.
DID YOU OR HIM POINT THAT OUT TO THOSE PRESENT?
OR JUST SNIPE ABOUT IT ON THE INTERNET?
IMPRESSIVE.
Any orifice requiring excessive amounts of lubrication for sexual relations has to be unnatural.
Had Ms Howe perhaps drawn attention to the abnormal number of blue jackets, these are worn by greyhounds starting in ‘trap two’, who were walking in a funny way, and then I’m sure that plod would have been most understanding. However, as everyone knows, most of the Norfolk Constabulary are closely related through inter marriage, incest and bestiality. Most of them spend their time sitting on their truncheons in camera vans on the A11.
The way humanity is going, to be called a human is becoming much like being called a Hoon! Somehow the great majority keep allowing the intolerable to happen e.g. the EU, the MMGW lie, President Bliar (?) and on and on.
Thousands of years of progress, 30 years of degeneration. I really hope there is intelligent life out there, ‘cos there’s precious little here – especially amongst ‘our’ leaders!
Strange that they always say “Take me to your leader”
Still, our “Leaders” are up for a bit of rectal probing apparently
Has anyone seriously thought about what we can do to arrest the serious on-going decline in the quality of people who get to power?
We really do seem to be governed by the intellectual and moral dregs of our society.
Could we make the voters of a constituency directly responsible for the screw-ups of their representatives? That would certainly make them think more carefully about who they elect.
That’ a very good idea. Let’s have leaders selected by the local tribe by way of a vote. ‘Ought to be elderly though because they have more life experience and wisdom but not too old whereby they may be frail. I don’t know why it hasn’t been thought of before?
That is what the TALIBAN do they have respected elders lead the tribe. No wonder the Yanks and our lot with the help of the UN smashing it to bits as it dosn’t fit their model of how they can truly fu-k the world
Robot-only shortlists.
you bloody robot
What is it you and that meccano dustbin R2D2 see in each other?
Mary Riddell would be good start there then. She only has to have 4 words in her vocabularly … “I love Tony Blair”
A clear case of robotophobia. I must contact my local police force to complain.
Ken, good point but unfortunately as a general rule the people who would be good at it don’t want to do it and vice versa.
To paraphrase Groucho Marx, never vote for someone who wants to be in power.
“We really do seem to be governed by the intellectual and moral dregs of our society.”
Correct as far as it goes KL, but there is also a very sinister and deeply disturbing aspect to all this nonsense. I feel increasingly unwelcome in my own country, and frankly I am ashamed of the way that the thought police now consider that they control every tiny aspect of our lives. Free speech is now as rare as a budget surplus – once it’s gone we won’t get it back. Everyone who cares for this country should be shouting “ENOUGH!” from the roof tops.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, what this country really needs to do is go out on a mass general strike. Wake up England and stop being so bloody apathetic! When the expenses scandal broke people were clamouring for a GE to get rid of the troughers, yet, within the media, the most commonly used phrase to describe peoples anger was “a quiet revolution”. A quiet revolution will not do sod all. These politicians wont give a damn how angry we get on the TV, in the papers or on various blogs, as long as we don’t do anything that directly challenges them or disrupts the country. As long as we, the public, remain happy with our quiet revolution, and we think we are achieving something by voicing our anger in a non, direct action, sort of protest; politicians will happily let us carry on like that all day.
If you want these lying, cheating, thieving hoons brought to justice then for the love of God, do something other than the usual English trick of moaning about it, then getting back on with your daily lives. Take to the streets, bring the country to a standstill until these greedy buggers do as WE, their masters, tell them.
Say what you like about our French neighbours, but they would not put up with one tenth of this crap before they took to the streets and brought the country to a prolonged standstill. At least they have a backbone, and are not covered in a restrictive sense of apathy.
Don’t just raise your anger on these blogs, get off your backsides and do something to change it, or shut up and take what these politicians dish out. It is a very simple choice.
Spot on!
The french demonstrate about almost anything – it’s a national pastime. We just moan, then stick our thumbs up our arses, put our minds in neutral and wait for the next rubber-dicking from HM Gummint.
Which is why OHs walk on 5th November really does matter.
That’s what they want us to do.
Gorgons desperately looking for ANY excuse to implement The Civil Contingencies Act.
You mean apart from eradicating the entire parliamentry labour party and every member of acpo ?
So two plod harrass a pensioner for witing a letter to the council ? Why two plod was it too tough a job for 1 plod and why didn’t the council just write back?
Because sending in the rossers ticks quite a few boxes for the council in their never-ending quest for political correctness, and ticks in boxes = bonus points all round.
Come on Jeremy, try to keep up!
To get two, count ‘em, TWO plod round at anytime is pretty good going. Now we know what we have to do to get the lazy sods out working.
They probably wouldn’t have responded in force or at all if she had yobbos outside or he car was nicked. Our bobbies have more important crimes to attend to such as councill chief executives who are offended by the S (sodomy) word.
The GUARANTEED way of ensuring a RAPID Police response to ANY call is to somehow work the words “RACIST” or “HOMOPHOBIC” into the call ..
They’ll be round so fast, their noses will be bleeding ..
If you don’t believe me .. try it .. (you can always claim you were mistaken) ..
As in “There’s a group of sodomistic yobbos outside my door?”
Jeremy said:
[So two plod harrass a pensioner for witing a letter to the council ? Why two plod was it too tough a job for 1 plod and why didn’t the council just write back?]
Haven’t heard of “common purpose” have you?
Money and common purpose are the root of all evil!
It seems many people are unaware of “common purpose”, search for it on google, watch the google videos with Brian Gerrish and wake up to what is going on.
My wife, 5ft nothing, was a nursery teacher and was expected to go to visit
in-take children in their homes on estates where police and social workers would only go in twos. Never bothered her much cf risk averse plod.
When law abiding pensioners are threatened by the Police who should be defending them the question should be asked who are the Police working for?
its certainly not the people who pay their wages.
When the Constabulary is so far out of whack with the rights and responsibilties of protecting the law abiding citizen, the weak, the old and the defenceless somebody should start asking onther question like why dont we sack the current load of pc shite and box tixkers and start again with a genuine police force.
Even our friends overseas have picked up the rampant ‘political correctness’ infesting these shores. Here’s an article from “The Australian” in May.
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,,25361297-7583,00.html?from=public_rss
makes for grim reading, doesn’t it…
Anyone know where “Surrey Tory ” is ? I’d like to know up whose fundament his promise that Cameron would speak out on Neather’s immigration stance has disappeared?
You should never give blood if:
You’re a man who’s had sex with another man, even safe sex using a condom.
https://secure.blood.co.uk/c11_cant.asp
This new fascism will get worse with the Equality Directive Law coming from Brussells in the next year.
Then we all will have an EU Policeman in our heads at all times, stifling thought, speech & deed.
Where are the real Conservatives?
What about Labours’ economic hate crime?
Has the old bill dropped by Gordon’s house yet to tell him he’s committed an economic hate crime?
Watch out you’ll get a visit next. You only hate Gordo ‘cos he’s buggered the lot of us!
Being controlled from Brussells is bad enough.
But why does EVRYTHING Brussells do have to be so f***ing stupid
Its not all Brussels fault. The foolish UK civil service goldplates every directive that comes out of Brussels, wheareas our French and German brothers just ignore the stuff they disapprove of. (No wheelie bin nonsense over in France, they sort their garbage out and reprocess it without any of the unbelievable criminalisation and pettifogging that’s going on in the UK.)
It because we’ve go a government who are so up there own arses that they’ve lost sight of what’s best for the countryas a whole. They concentrate on trying to satisfy every minority. socially vested interest interest group. To hell with everybody else.
Conservative are complicit in all of this nonsense. Lib/Lab/Con – slightly different wings of the same party. There is now only one party left to vote for.
One Folk!
Folk all!
Climate protesters are being criminalised in Denmark
Good. They are the biggest danger to the planet today, and not as they would like to think, its saviour. CO2 is Innocent. Its the sun wot dun it.
Exactly, it will be a crime to hurl abuse or mildly criticise the super socialist state of the EUSSR. We are building our own prison while we remain in the fucking EU.
There’s a couple of other parties out there that might pick up the Conservative banner & you know who they are.
We can all do something about it. Nearing the election; dress smart and door knock with permission from your political party or candidate and spread the word. There are plenty of news articles and stories to copy to a clip board.
The Mary Riddle one or the surveilance one are good. Even the Labour and Tory immigration issue should affect existing immigrants because there is no more room.
http://tinyurl.com/yjy2lh7
Brussels bureaucrats are plotting a massive expansion in the use of surveillance and controversial extradition powers, a report warned last night. There would be an increased sharing of British DNA, health and tax records with foreign governments and investigators, as well as the introduction of new Big Brother surveillance techniques.
Cash from the EU’s £1billion justice and home affairs budget is being used to look at whether CCTV cameras can be installed to predict whether somebody is about to commit a crime – not just to catch them if they do so.
The report, by the Open Europe think tank, details how the EU has already adopted swathes of surveillance powers. But it says once the Lisbon Treaty has been ratified this will increase dramatically.
http://tinyurl.com/yjt5oh5
Workers who spend little or no time with children may come under pressure to register with the government’s anti-paedophile database, the head of the scheme has said.
There has been mounting public anger over the plan, under which an estimated 11.2million people – including parents – would be forced to register with the Independent Safeguarding Authority (ISA) quango before giving neighbours or friends’ children a lift to sports clubs or events under threat of a £5,000 fine and a criminal record.
In the USSR there were so many laws that enabled the police to pick up anyone if they started being ‘awkward’ towards the government that ordinary discussion was suppressed. It is now the same thing here thanks to the EU and NuLiebore.
Can’t argue with any of that. Well put.
Yes, well said, Mr F.
Certainly a perspective which demonstrates all you need to know about those who introduce the legislation but fail to understand how to use it
Alas, industies are built on “being offended”. Lottery funding is based on “being offended”, government grants depend on how offended you are, lawyers thrive on public funding for “the offended”.
Ask Mrs Dale (currently offended by everything that is not gay and conservative)
“”Ask Mrs Dale (currently offended by everything that is not gay and conservative)”"
Indeed Mr Holborn, indeed.
No right not to be offended…. unless of course you are a leftie, gay, muslim, black, a woman, etc etc etc etc etc.
Just to keep it simple – fuck off the lot of you… I think that should offend pretty much everyone.
My sentiments entirely
I objet to being ignored
Ok then, you can fuck off too.
Happy now?
No, I am offended.
Try and offend me, you bastards, go on – punch me in the stomach with some choice slang. Just one thing though, don’t identify any of my personal weaknesses that I am not prepared to admit to.
you’re a carrot you are, no a parsnip, a parsnip’s worse , so there
How fucking dare you! Come her, ya bastard.
Now I’m offended
Take this Englishman!
Society seems to revel in creating ‘victims’ – all part of the client state I suppose. A bit of backbone, and even just a smattering of a sense of humour, would go a very long way.
Fat chance!
In this case the ‘victim’ is Grandma Bigot.
And no doubt you approve of the action taken against her. Or at least you’ll pretend to just to wind up other posters.
Can’t approve or disapprove without seeing the letter. Apparently she was leafletting the march also, but not sure if that actually happened.
In the absence of actual information can’t condemn or condine the action taken against her.
But do know that she has bigotted views on homosexuality which she describes as perverted. She is entitled to that view, of course, but it doesn’t top them being a bigot.
So irrespective of whether the action taken against her was appropriate she is a bigot and has ended up the ‘victim’ in the eyes of many.
Hence the term Grandma Bigot.
Yeah “Bigot” thats the other one they shout at you if you happen not to agree. Another sign just like the way ‘racist’ is used to shut down any opposing view but instead clearly indicates the person using it has totally lost the argument.
Just like you MB
Apparently Grandma Bigot was handing out leaflets, anyone know the content of the leaflets?
“Mrs Pauline Howe, 67, says she was the victim of a number of sexually explicit verbal attacks while she handed out Christian leaflets at the event.”
MB – the fact that you fail, or refuse, to understand the Christian (and Muslim, Sikh, Jewish) view of homosexuality shows you are bigoted. Master Bigot, in fact.
Not single person involved in any of this nonsense has been a victim, with the exception of the taxpayers who have had their cash fraudulently removed from their pockets to fund this tosh. Victims are people who get shot, stabbed, robbed, raped or burgled. Sticking your tongue out at someone, or thumbing your nose, or calling a gay a gay, or a black a black, or an idiot and idiot does not a victim make.
In this marvellous country you can be whatever you want to be or do what you want in private.
Just don’t get on the street marching and ram your ideals down our throats. We don’t need it.
Thank you
Maybe if she’d said that didn’t vote BandP she would have received a greater audience
Here here.
It’ll be interesting to see which side the Lefties fall on, Islam or gays, as you can’t have both.
What about the gay, Islamic five-a-day community support officer?
That’s my job, as well as ensuring halal fair traded stones are available for free for use in settling domestic disputes in compliance with positive discrimination toward the non Christian wife battering community.
Cab gay muslims have 4 wives (er I mean partners)?
My cat has nine lives.
I’ve had a shag 30 times does that count?
Smoking shag is politically incorrect – let me phone the police.
Try substituting the J word for Islamic. Are you offended now?
He got transferred to Hampstead.
At a Nu Labor dinner party recently I decided to air my objections to the Islamic predeliction for throwing homosexuals off cliffs. A nasty silence ensued until a female guest put her champagne glass down on the table and piped up “That sounds a bit fascist to me”. And, yes, we were sitting near an unused Aga at the time.
Google Peter Tatchell’s prescient forebodings about Islam and homosexuality from the early 90’s. We now face the very situation he predicted. The coming battle will shape up between six groupings: Peter Tatchell fronting up politically correct gays, Islam and its Jihad against the west, the Church of England and its closeted uncertainties, The Vatican in all its camp regalia, the B&P who want all the support they can get (but not from homosexuals), old ladies twitching their meat curtains and Nu Labor, desirous of the pink vote but more desirous of the Muslim vote. Seven main groupings. All with a concern, from one perspective or another, as to whether or not one might properly wish to ease a fat cock up a fit lad’s tight arse. I know which camp I fall into.
Francis, you’re a bit suspicious, using the word ‘camp’. I think I know which one you fall into….
Thought someone might detect a clue.
Seven main groupings. Isn’t there something in Revelations about that?
I find your name highly offensive
But at the time of posting, you hadn’t seen mine.
Under the heel of Liebour’s repressive Commies, victimhood is one of your primary Human Rights. Everyone can be hyper-sensitive to a casual remark or joke and automatically shout ‘Racist: sexist: homophobic: islamophobic: xenophobic: fattist: etc ad nauseam.
Perhaps it’s a ruse to divert our attention from the real issues.
It’s the economy, stupid.
I’m ‘offended’ daily by this shambles of a government.
Beat me to it!
Here, here!
Or even “hear, hear!”
He was calling Fido.
Sorry, Fido, I didn’t see you there. Great minds think alike ….
Oi!! I heard that. We don’t have any of those issues here you know.
I’m not a dog you know —hurumph!!!
But Equalities legislation, now being considered by the EU, would make it an offence to offend anyone. It would be incumbent on the offender to prove he/she wasn’t being offensive. Two gays kissing in the street might well offend the good lady referred to by Guido. Might she have a case against the Gay pride March? And would her complaint offend the Gay marchers. Would they have a case? And when the millions of Daily Mail readers feel offended by what has happened, who do they sue?
Sorry, this is too silly
I’m offended by all this silliness
Sargeant Major, take them away……….
But that’s not how it works.
The liberal left wish to retain the right to be as offensive and intolerant as they want towards the people they hate; but if anyone upsets them, it’s a ‘hate crime’.
That is exactly right, Bath Plugs.
Prof Terry
You have hit the nail on the head. It appears perfectly ok for these type of people to be offended and complain but when it comes to a little old god fearing honest grandmother who says she is also offended she has no rights whatsoever and even gets a visit from the Local Government Police Gestapo-lury.
Sums up the UK and the situation absolutely fucking perfectly. You have been warned if there is another 5 years of hard labour. They all have rights except you and all you have to do is shut the fuck up and pay your taxes.
I could not agree more. The primus inter pares of fundamental freedoms HAS to be the freedom of expression.
I still regard it as rude to fart before a young lady
Yes, but only if it’s her turn.
You prefer “Ladies first for farting”??
Ladies fist for farting.
Speaking of comedy, readers might like to know that the BBC thinks what happened to Anne Franck to be most amusing.
The BBC is offensive.
hehe… that’s funny.
I assume the last paragraph is satire on those that seek offense in everything and then try and associate it with something totally unrelated in an attempt to justify their raison d’offense?
trouble is Anne Franck is not around to tell use shes not offended
http://coolpics.110mb.com/galleries-wallpapers/whatever/Alternative/3-thumb.jpg
link no workeee … 403
She is indeed offended
I should have said, “Whom to they sue?” Please don’t be offended by my solecism.
we ll let this won pass you idiot
Ahh! Solecism
Solecism any crime against Solecs
This is no place for words more than four letters …..”solecism” should have been modded
I agre with this comm
even this is to sill
Good to see that the polis were chasing real criminals in their 60s, and not scrotes who key cars or mug joggers or break into homes.
Perhaps the polis had not hit the target for arrests in the 65-70 category, and were docked a performance related pay target.
Next week they will get the climate change denying crypto fascists, and use the Civil Contingencies Act to arrest Tory voters.
Is this really Normal for Norfolk?
I really think the Police should target those climate change deniers. They just care about the planet or our children or our children’s children … And they have the nerve to say that physicists like Freeman Dyson are not convinced about man-made climate change. As if they know anything about temperature proxies, Polar Urals versus Yamal data, variances, black body radiation, etc., etc. They should be arrested and FORCED to admit to global warming and greenhouse gases. And then they should be gassed – like Anne Franck
oops … even don’t care
right 1st time!
Ah, you might be on to something here.
My family were originally from Norfolk. I hear there’s been a lot of in-breading since we left.
Hi Six!
Interesting point – presumably it will only be a matter of time that “Climate Change Denial” will be ranked as a hate crime, punishable by having your collar felt by plod. After all, chasing thought crime is so much more rewarding than banging up mere burglars and robbers.
Unfortunately, yes, it is NFN. Norfolk plod have a record of trying to enforce pro-Labour politically correct speech. They threatened to prosecute Splash clothing and other stall holders for selling “Bollx to Blair” t-shirts. The prosecution finally collapsed, but they made the stall holder take down the t-shirts from display when a Labour minister visited the County show where they were being sold. Nobody has owned up to making a complaint, but it is just possible the police did it off their own bat. I was obliged to buy a t-shirt just to support them.
I can see that the next general election will be held, but anyone who is going to vote for anyone other than labour will be arrested before they can put their vote in the ballot box for hate crime: Hating Hoons.
The polis are pussy-whipped, brow-beaten cowards. They don’t even dare challenge anyone that might put up a fight or give them a bit of lip.
Like pikeys?
Could Guido add to his FAQ that the correct expression is “Hear, hear”. Ta.
not if you’re a dog
Pardon?
Spot on Guido. Sadly though, the Thought Police are amongst us and it’s only going to get worse.
“Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two makes four. If that is granted, all else follows”, George Orwell, 1984
Spot on Guido. Sadly though, the Thought Police are amongst us and it’s only going to get worse.
“Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two makes four. If that is granted, all else follows”, George Orwell, 1984
It wasn’t that good the first time.
The Communication Workers Union (CWU) plans to go to the High Court to stop Royal Mail using agency staff to clear the post backlog caused by the strikes.
Royal Mail had planned on hiring 30,000 temporary workers to deal with the backlog of post and the Christmas rush.
Err ? How about fuck off you postal Hoons.
If there is one thing I hate – it is not blacks japs pakis nips poofs oldies racists BNP’ers bankers fags yanks frogs krauts yellow bellies veggies – but the FUCKING UNIONS
Wake up and smell the dole line you bunch of bell ends.
Seconded
That was meant to be a seconded to #18
How come these chumps weren’t wiped out with the dinosaurs?
My old man was the hardest working, most obliging and decent workmate you could ever wish to meet.
However, he had no time for the Unions (TGWU in his case) and refused to join.
These fuckers hounded and bullied him until he had to seek employment elsewhere.
That was meant to be in reply to 18.
I think the website is having a wobbly.
Agree with your sentiments . I gave up on trade unions in 1986. We had two offices and set working hours. The company wanted telephone cover for an extra hour per day and would give time off in lieu.
Office A was against the idea as was Office B. Office A convened a meeting of its union members and voted for Office B to provide the cover. The Union supported the vote
I quit the Union
I gave up on unions when I realised that those at the top are only interested in a/massaging their inflated egos because they can wield power and b/ feathering their own nests. Bunch of wankers.
I doubt you’d have the bottle to say any of that to your postman when he comes to deliver your giro.
He’s not going to be delivering any giro to anyone soon, as he’s such a lazy waste of space that he’ll be getting a giro himself as he and his ridiculous union are speeding up the death of Royal Mail, and I would have no problem saying that to his face.
‘Ere, did someone say
‘line’,
Yes please
Usually I post my smears after somebody has had the audacity to insult me and make me cry into my scrummy rocket salad mumsy has prepared for me.
A wank I think.
‘Ere stop messin’ abahht!
You can’t post your smears when we’re on strike.
What a silly man you are Lord Wayneker.
Jimmy Carr = Bernard Manning
I’m fucking offended by that.
I’m offended by that expletive.
Ha Ha Ha -it’s the way you tell ‘em
I would go much further Guido, you are a bloody, bloody, human!
are you sure he got the species right?
Freedom of speech is a much over used and shield manipulated by those that wish to advocate their own brand of hatred! What is Mrs Oujimflips problem with a homosexual march? She shows herself as a bigot… not sure that a private letter constitutes a hate crime, but clearly the use of such offensive terms as homosexual (joking right?) or their practises, which by the way are often carried out by heterosexual peeps, apparently. Perhaps she should consider Corrie or something more savoury, after all, murders are far more palatable than what people do privately. If their wasn’t such overt ‘gay bashing’ or black bashing etc., then perhaps these folk would not want to make a statement in the first place.
Rant, rant rant… and our government has been guilty of far more hateful crimes!
Stalagmites should be banned from forming. I hate stalagmites.
Stalagmite — that’s a young lad passed around among the homos in a German PoW camp, am I correct?
I heard that the camp guards prefered their stalacs tight.
Ivor – you are disgraceful, biased ….
It’s stalactites that are reprehensible. They should be banned.
can stalgmites stand up for theselves?
They should go back to where they came from
I can’t stand this “drip, drip, drip” of ‘dry’ humour
It’s easy to remember the difference between stalagmites and stalagtites.
Tites always come down.
I thought they always wore stockings.
Since when the fuck is the term HOMOSEXUAL offensive??????? Get a life – or a dictionary.
09 Anon – it is apparently offensive to Lesbians:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222813/Whats-Police-say-evenin-more.html
IS the term cock-dodgers PC?
About the same as “Botty-Bandits” I woul say
or salad dodgers for fatties?
Spot on Guido. Sadly though, the Thought Police are amongst us and it’s only going to get worse.
“Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two makes four. If that is granted, all else follows”, George Orwell, 1984
The thought police are certainly amongst us, even on this blog. I posted about the Tories attacking Labour over the immigration scandal and within 5 minutes Guido had removed it.
Clearly, freedom of speech on this blog is confined to what Guido wants you to hear.
“Clearly, freedom of speech on this blog is confined to what Guido wants you to hear.”
Correct. This is private property. Off topic stuff may be deleted arbitrarily if Guido has the time / inclination.
Guido, I love your excellent blog, however, these threads are full of off-topic stuff but the only posts that get deleted are the ones you don’t like.
Please don’t try to pose as an advocate of free speech and an opponent of censorship if you have no intention of practicing what you preach, or people might begin to think you’re a bit of a hypocrite.
There are thousands of comments every day, deletion is arbitrary as a result. There is a huge difference between what happens in a private space and a public space. You can’t come into Guido’s house and expect to be allowed to insult Mrs Fawkes. There is nothing to stop you setting up a blog about the issues that interest you. You have no right to Guido’s audience.
Why would a blogger delete off-topic stuff that he liked?
Power corrupts. Absolute power….Guido’s enjoying it, isn’t he?
Market forces innit. In general people like the way Guido runs this blog – hence the large audience. If Guido stops giving people what they want, his audience will decline.
Agree, rick. But he’s still perfectly entitled to run it his way. Sort of benign dictatorship.
Keep them in the dark and feed them bullshit.
that’s too good for them
It’s Guido’sblog. I also have a blog and do pretty much what I like on it. THAT’s freedom of speech.
You have the freedom to read and comment if the blog site owner thinks your comment is on topic and adds something.
Technomist, when you’ve finished your sycophantic display please remove your tongue from Guido’s arse. I doubt that he’s very comfortable with it there.
Fair play to Guido for allowing this criticism to be aired but my original point still stands.
No Ed your point does not stand – your “freedom of speech” is absolutely not a right to expression through this or any other medium. Free speech is access to the tools of communication without reference to the point you want to express.
To argue otherwise is a classic Trot distortion – that is used for example to justify smashing up other peoples meetings because they have not been granted their right to be heard by people they don’t like.
Guido’s editorial rights are no limit on your freedom of speech, only upon your license within this forum. Confusing the two leads to a illiberal slippery slope.
Is this offensive to our Miltary casualties over hundreds of years but especially lately? I believe in free speech but treason crosses that line. IMO:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/maryriddell/6441189/Britains-on-the-wane-and-the-EU-is-our-only-hope-of-influence.html#comments
If our troops had any nous then they would be really offended by having to fight an illegal war.
I think there’s something called Queen’s Regulations that gets in the way. Would you face a Court Marshall? I think not. So stop spouting crap.
Court Martial shurely etc.
er .. I’m not having a good day. I’m offended by my spell checker.
The actual term that should be used is
‘Courts Martial’ (the court part is Plural)
The court may actually be quite fair as well as plural but still…..
The solution with Mary Riddell is not to read anything with her name on it.
I find it the best approach by far.
You are absolutely right. Freedom of speech and expression also includes freedom to be an asshole. And long may it remain so!
Hear, hear.
Someone mention an asshole?
hear, hear, Mr Fawkes.
I’m offended by that remark ‘cos I might become deaf one day
Pardon?
He said he was off to Mark’s to buy a dress for a gay
Size 16, floral if possible, ta.
…Which is an interesting point because what if a deaf person misheard and was offended thus rendering the innocent commentator being beaten up and turned over by the law wondering what happened because he only asked to borrow some cat food?
Prince Charles once said to his butler “Sack my cook”
No end of trouble.
Thought that was Bill Clinton.
Did someone call?
” I wonder if you can give me what your pussy likes until tomorrow when I get paid”?
I once had a very active blog with interesting topics and equally interesting bloggers – but I just moderated away
Yay!
You certainly can’t say anything about travellers nicking stuff from gardens, or they might take offence.
Try shooting a few. Apparently you’re allowed to if you feel threatened and it’s a proportionate response.
If you’re a good shot, you might get away with it provided you don’t manage a kill. Just blow their bollocks off.
It was a pun. I don’t believe travellers are actually any less honest than many of the people in positions of high honour and respect.
The reply was meant to be tongue in cheek as well…
John Wayne once said:
“I have found a certain type calls himself a liberal…now I always thought I was a liberal.
I came up terribly surprised one time when I found out that I was a right-wing, conservative extremist, when I listened to everybody’s point of view that I ever met, and then decided how I should feel.
But this so-called new liberal group, Jesus, they never listen to your point of view…”
great quote
Come on Guido, Pauline evidently needs re-educating! Quick – send round the Thought Police now! Oh – I see they have already done that :-(
If liberty means anything at all it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.
Are you allergic to underarm deodourant?
Aerosol or ball?
Izzit beecoz I iz a wite, middul clas Cristyun?
Yes.
You’re just lucky you aren’t male also.
It would have been 22 rozzrs and a tazer if you had been.
Lucky for her that she wasn’t a Brazilian electrician.
If Jimmy Carr were to get mangled up in car accident, I’m sure he’d be happy for people to come and have a laugh at him in hospital. “What’s that you say, Jimmy? Try taking the tube out of your mouth when you speak! Well, I’ll be hopping along now.”
How was Jimmy Carr laughing at the troops? Why don’t you see his comments as biting sarcasm on the government’s policy in Afghanistan? How often do you go visit the troops in hospital and get them laughing. How many favourable comments are there about you on the forces own internet forum?
Sometimes the depth of outrage felt on these matters is directly proportional to the bigotry of the the person feeling that outrage. I sense your’s run pretty deep.
Congratulations – you clearly had no understanding of what the word bigot actually means, as your refusal to say your piece without having a dig at the end proves that you are in fact a bigot yourself.
On the contrary… i know what I think of as a bigot is. someone so blind to beliefs outside their their own line of thought that they display an irrational pattern in their animosity towards those who “offend” them.
I addressed such a person. Someone so irrational he took it upon himself that Carr was laughing at the injured troops and draw a ridiculous analogy as a result.
I also have the sense that the person is taking it upon himself to feel offended on behalf of others, regardless of how they actually feel themselves….something else that falls within my classification of a bigot.
I wonder who those injured soldiers, particularly the ones that Carr has taken time out to visit on a regular basis, would feel relates to them more, Carr or “the bigot”. I’m guessing Carr, but it’s only a guess.
It’s obvious that the joke Carr made is precisely the sort of joke squaddies would make amongst themselbves in hospital.
It’s called black humour and is what those who work on the dangerous margins of life use to make it all bearable.
Fair play to Carr for using the joke, but big marks against for failing to defend himself in the terms above. The only way to end the stepford wives drivel that’s being forced upon us is for people with balls to stand up and say “Fuck off morons. I’ll say what I fucking well want, and that’s your last fucking warning”.
If you’re gonna put moderation on, at least get your arse into gear and attend to it.
And please don’t give me any “it’s my blog and I’ll cry if i want to” shit.
I don’t give a fuck
Personally I find him a smug git. That said, I can see that in certain circumstances that particular quip could be funny. The average squaddie does have a particular sense of humour, so that Carr could have made that comment to a group of servicemen, injured or otherwise, and got a laugh. However, it does not work for the wider public consumption.
He’s clever, very classily educated, famous, jewish, got a Bentley, a shit hot babe and loadsa dosh.
What the fuck’s not to be smug about.
He was a smug git when he first started. Wealth &/or success tend to reinforce the existing character trait.
Well…someday he will die.
So I visted Jimmy Carr and said, “Jimmy, I’ve got some bad news and some good news. Bad news, they’ve amputated both of your legs. Good news, the bloke in the next bed has bought your slippers.”
So I visited Jimmy and found they’d had to amputate not only both his arms and both legs, but his body as well. There was just his head. So I said “Morning Jimmy, what about a joke then?” and he said “*** off” . I said to he nurse “What’s the matter with him then?” and she said “Don’t be too hard on him, he’s just been told he’s got to have all his teeth out.”
Now I like a good sick joke as well as the next bigot, but I say, sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
mmmm…sauce up my gander…
Weird response imo! How does relating a couple of ancient “bad taste” jokes support your argument. They just support the fact that it’s the play on words that makes the joke and there is no actual “target”.
Bigot- definition.
Somebody who expresses an opinion that you don’t agree with.
To be offended at what Jimmy Carr said is ridiculous….and when the accusations of offensive behaviour comes from those who do nothing compared to what he does in visiting the troops, it becomes almost offensive itself!
Still, one thing intrigues me. What’s Gordon Brown’s reaction to the words of a comedian who was invited along with his wife to dinner at Chequers not that long ago?
Anyone who thinks Jimmy Carr is offensive has obviously never seen Frankie Boyle or watched Mock The Week…
Frankie Boyle is so offensive his shows for next year are nearly all sold out
He’s swimmerphobic.
Frankie Boyle used to write for Carr before he started doing his own thing, so maybe he’s still throwing Carr the odd good’un
Frankie Boyle is so offensive his shows for next year are nearly all sold out
PMSL Sue, just shows that there are enough with a sense of humour left out there!
I wonder what the average comedy club would be like, if all the jokes had to be pre-approved by the PC Police..?
Welcome to the party Guido – some of us have been on this for a while…
The key issue is not that this is an obscenity or alien to this country’s character, but rather, will Dave stop it? Will he repeal the hate crime laws – all of them – will he put all “victims” on an equal footing, will he repeal each and every law that criminalises speech?
Y’know, he won’t, will he? He buys into this shit.
He has to be forced to, and that means we need to stick up for unpleasant, offensive, bigotted, nasty people. I’m perfectly happy to do that, and have been doing for a while, but who else will? Liberty won’t. Index on Censorship won’t. The BBC certainly won’t. The Guardian won’t.
We need a *proper* free speech NGO in this country. Libertarian. Somone with bollocks. Somone prepared to defend the indefensible.
jonathan ross maybe???
Fuck off!
Douglas Murray, the head of The Centre for Social Cohesion is a good start (although he describes himself as a neo-conservative, not a libertarian).
No.
it needs someone with a proven track record in sticking up for horrible people, actual experience of working for the so-called human rights lefty NGOs, plenty of enemies on the Left (in order to provoke interesting debate and provide product differentiation), decades of experience in being bolshie, a thorough understanding of new media and agitprop potential, an agile mind, gift of the gab, perhaps with striking green eyes and a finely chiseled jawline for t’telly.
Where oh where might we find such a prince among men….
I don’t thinky Tony’s available – I understand that, having had such great success as Middle East Peace Envoy – apparently made a fortune – he’s now looking to lead Europe into conflict.
Ezra Levant fits the bill but he’s Canadian. I recommend his youtube bitchslapping of the Canadian Human Rights Commission.
and one that doesn’t cost £70 million of taxpayers money, like the current pack of clowns
I think everyone’s a Libertarian up to a point. If you take offence on behalf of others, even your family, you don’t get it. Free speech is just that, it’s free, unfettered. Use the power of your argument. Don’t get the hump.
Don’t you see what they are doing? They are killing Britishness. We have a sense of humour and that is why we had Dads Army, the Hitler jokes in Faulty Towers, etc. Kill this sense of irony and humour and you kill the British Way.
Yup.
It is no accident.
All part of the plan to change the make up of England simply to spite the conservative side of the political divide.
It’s a symptom of Sovietisation.
In public the Russians are dour, miserable and silent.
In private they are warm friendly and humorous.
Never express your thoughts in writing or verbally to someone you do not know or trust is the new rule.
How about YOU?
Gosh, well, if duty calls…
Jimmy Carr should certainly have the right to make jokes about any subject he likes and members of the public who are offended should have the right to kick the little gobshites teeth in.
But it couldn’t have happened to a nicer, arrogant, trumped up little chump than Jimmy Carr.
Own, petrad and hoist come to mind.
thank god an element of sanity concerning freedom of speech is now being brought into the debate.
My Dear Resurgimus,
It would surely be 3 x Jimmy Carr = 1 Bernard Manning
On a kilo for kilo basis, yes.
Pound for pound, please. Non of your nasty foreign units here. They offend me.
Absolutely.
These nasty units from South of Dover have no place here.
Bloody things invading on the quiet, taking over our inches, pounds and ounces.
Give ‘em a metre and they take a kilometre.
The not-very-funny joke is surely just social commentary – Carr is just pointing out the legacy of Bliar’s wars. Yes, there are a lot of new amputees around now – and yes, let’s hope they can build new lives, as athletes or otherwise!
The politicians hated this ‘joke’ because the joke is on them for allowing this tragedy to start and to continue. I just wonder whether any of the victims will prove to be world-class assassins: it wouldn’t be difficult to pick likely targets.
Bloody well said!
A thumbs up if they were still there.
Well said. I’m sure Blair would easily make EU prez if he was a double amputee. We would all feel really good and uplifted!
So long as the double amputation involved both his heads. That way he would shut up and stop breeding.
Wouldn’t have a leg to stand on…..
Well Malvern Mike pretty much sums it all up for me:
http://www.youtube.com/v/e2PdY4QcEK4
Mike should of asked him ” what are the scores Goerge Doors”
How ironic, a thread complaining about censorship yet I am censored for putting a post on about Labour’s immigration scandal.
How deliciously hypocritical.
Deleted can’t or won’t appreciate the difference between the use by public authority of the threat of criminal sanction and heavy handed police involvement on the one hand, and exercise of editorial judgment in a competitive private blog on the other.
How tediously crass.
Memory man, is that you Guido?
It’s still hypocritical of you to put up a thread whining about censorship and free speech and then censor posts you don’t agree with.
Wouldn’t you agree old chap?
No. The attempts to hijack every post to talk about immigration is being blocked. Not ruthlessly enough in Guido’s opinion.
I’m sick and tired of being insulted. Who’s protecting MY rights? I’m a middle-aged white man who gets abused all the time. It’s not fair!
How do you think I feel. I’m Scots and people keep going on at me about one of my fellow countrymen. Now if I could just booby trap a Nokia…
You think YOU’VE got problems?
I’m Gordon’s Nokia!
I think Jimmy carr is as funny as the plague. Along with the rest of the ‘Right On’ comedians. And dont you get sick of them appearing on each others panal shows.
And yes i know the 7 dwarfs joke. OH i said dwarfs. Down to the local Bridewell and hand myself in.
We tell the BBC we’re all ‘edgy’ comedians.
Who’s standing up for my rights. I’m fed up of being insulted. All day every day. I’m a human being, please, please help me!
If you like, I can chop off your head and sell it on eBay.
Do keep up, Fawkes.
Where were you when a couple of guys who are un-persons here were show-trialled TWICE on the same trumped-up charge?
If anybody else is awake but can’t compute, try Googling Griffin and Collett.
I think it’s starting to rain….
A shame it was quite sunny first thing, I wonder what the 5 day forecast is like…
Quite offensive.
It’s started off really quite offensive indeed
but it trailed off badly at the end
You can see where this is going.
In a desperate and ultimately vain attempt to stop anyone from ever being offended by anything ever again, there’s only one thing for the Righteous to do:
Ban Communication.
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Don’t
Give
Them
Ideas
where’s silent bob when you need him? No doubt he will be along shortly.
I’d like to nominate Silent Bob for contributor of the year
Fully agree, Guido. It’s just an excuse to legitimise censorship, and censorship has no place in a true democracy. Sadly we no longer live in a true democracy.
Don’t bow down to these Nazi Thought Police bastards. Assert you right to be rude!
S e o @107, It’s ironic how the let-it-all-hang-out rebels of the 60s are now the put-a-lid-on-it-and-squash-it witch-hunters.
You don’t know what you’ve got till it’s gone.
further irony is much of this reads like a daily mail article.one of your worst guido.step up.
One of his best. The point is VERY valid. And funny.
Your punctuation is bloody awful, and you don’t know what capital letters are for. Are you a victim of the Nulab education system, or do you just not care?
punkchewashun is soooo kripto-fashist
Did you ever stop and ask why the homosexuals get all shrill when you start describing what they actually DO to each other? The fact is that active homosexual practices are filthy and disgusting and contrary to nature. As homosexuals now seem to have no purpose on earth other than to wave their rainbow colored dildos at us and they introduce themselves with “HI I’m Ken I’m GAY!” as though they think such news should be greeted with the same delight as were one to have won the lottery – perhaps it is time to criminalize both homosexual practices and the promotion of such in schools.
Homophobia means fear – what is the Latin suffix for utterly disgusted by?
Homorevolto?
don’t knock it till you’ve tried it
All sex should be filthy, you’re obviously too boring in the sack.
say what you like about gays – well, maybe not :) – but at least they are politically aware and honest with it when they say ‘we’re all fucked’
Actually, Griffin might have had a point on QT the other day, when he said that he didn’t mind poofters buggering each other senseless in private, but he objected to having it rammed down his throat in public. I might have paraphrased slightly, but that’s the gist. Who, in all honesty, would disagree?
Not I Engineer.
I’m perfectly happy for anything to go on behind closed doors so long as everyone consents and no animals are harmed. I’m happy with civil partnerships, equal age of consent, all that. But seeing two blogs snogging make sme wan tto ehave.
*That* is what is known as *tolerance*. Accepting what you do not like, because you know it is right to do so. Because you wish the same tolerance applied to you. Because you see the wider social benefits. What the Lefties want in this equalities crusade is not tolerance – we already, largely, have that. What they demand is *approval*. They dont’ want us to merely change our reasoned attitudes, but our emotions. They can fuck off.
Tolerance and approval are not synonyms, and that is perfectly as it should be. A liberal society is one in which even that which one doesn’t approve of, so long as it harms no one, is tolerated. What is wrong with that? What is so hateful?
It’s about control. People are already wary of what they say in public and at work, never knowing who is listening or who might complain.
The Left have been manipulating words since the 1960’s. Now they are controlling them too.
Stories like this one make people afraid to speak out. I never thought I would see the police in our country acting like this, warning a 67 year old woman for expressing her thoughts in a letter to the council, but New Labour and those stupid tossers in ACPO have a great deal to answer for.
The government, the quangos, the local councils and the police have allied themselves together against the people. They seek to control and rule rather than to serve.
All those who care about the British traditions of freedom and individuality, eccentricity and taking the piss out of authority need to come together en masse and resist this creeping fascism. Our country is already a paranoid shithole. If this goes on it will be an East German paranoid shithole ruled by coercion and fear.
When a white racist bigot has a white daughter and that daughter brings home a black man and introduces him to her father as the love of her life, things change.
Do they Master Baiter? In what way? And why is that of any relevance, at all?
Serious point – do you understand why that’s of no relevance to this argument?
He probably doesn’t want her to be abused, battered, and possibly even murdered by her so-called boyfriend.
There are black racist bigots and Islamic racist bigots too. In fact MB if you had travelled around the world as much and for as many years as I have (living and working not visiting) you would understand that racist bigotry is relative and not limited to whites. It appears that only whites do as much self-hating and hand-wringing about it though.
Anyway your point, if it was one, is irrelevant to a discussion about freedom of speech.
You bandy that word “bigot” so freely it makes me suspicious. Your posts reveal an extreme degree of bigotry about anyone you think you disagree with. “Grandma Bigot” is ageist, judgemental, potentially bigoted itself and really rather nasty. Certainly you lack the compassion that your more meandering philosophical posts pretend. You are the veritable Nick Griffin of Guido. A rather shallow, nasty bigot pretending to be something he is not. A bit like Gordon Brown’s government really.
Older people take time to adjust. They do not like what Britain has become and if they hold strong religious beliefs it makes it harder for them. People like you don’t help. Nasty, judgemental pronouncements like yours sow disharmony, tension and racial and religious divides.
These mixed relationships seldom work. I can’t tell you why because I would now be breaking the law. Suffice it to say, just learn from the experience of that blond TV presenter whose black ex got a mate to throw sulphuric acid in her face, blinding her in one eye and ruining her looks for ever. I’ll bet she won’t be indulging in any more ‘exotic’ relationships! In fact the state she looks now she’d be lucky to have anyone take her on. I blame the media.
I’ll give ‘er a go
Mandlebum of Boy?
Some years ago, while vacationing in Sydney, Australia, some friends suggested that we go and watch the Gay Pride thingy.
How I wish we hadn’t.
There were gay men walking around with their arseholes exposed while on some of the floats, full gay sex was taking place.
On the Gay and Lesbian Tasmanian Teachers float some of the lesbian teachers were being dildoed.
Apparently, this is what passes for family entertainment.
youtube url please
No YouTube in them that days my old fruit.
Anyway, these were PROPER lesbians with five o’ clock shadows.
Sydney ‘Kings cross’ variety.
Stay clear or be very careful down there in more ways than one as a handful of meat and two veg when you were expecting soft eiderdown can be an unexpected surprise for the unwary and naive.
On the Gay and Lesbian Tasmanian Teachers float some of the lesbian teachers were being dildoed.
See, now that’s alright. I switch from tolerate to approve at that point. Although, not perhaps down the High St…
I thought that was pithy political commentary from Jimmy “Bobble Head” Carr rather than a joke.
A case of shooting the messenger and not getting to the cause.
I can still switch channels next time Carr appears.
Not for much longer you can’t. Remote controls are to be banned, along with commercial tv.
Freedom of speech is the most fundamental of all human freedoms. If people don’t like what I say, they are free to move on. Those who would deny me my right to voice my opinions are oppressors to a man, no matter how well meaning they intend to be. The way to Hell is paved with good intentions.
If you do not like what I say, even if I speak with what seems to you the intent to incite hate, you may ostracize me, but if the freedom to speak is not mine alone, but that of the entire populace, then the voice of the people will decide how I am to be judged.
I wish that I could attribute that to some ancient Greek, but , sadly, that is merely the belief of Great Granddad. I believe that if we had instead of a disregarded Bill of Rights, a Bill of the Freedom to Speak, nearly all of our problems would go away.
I also believe that I was born with a right to speak English. I exercise my right by saying “Madam Chairman” not “Chairperson”, “Red Indian” not “Native American”, “sex” not “gender”, “fornicating” not “having sex” . And very,very occasionally, when I face the sort of behavior that we have seen in Westminster, where there is a mixture of greed, mendacity, and lack of mental capacity in an equal admixture that leaves me short of suitable vocabulary, then, along with Chaucer, I can say “Hoons”.
Guido paraphrased me at the end. Fair enough. As journalists always claim in defence, they never misquote, they only paraphrase.
Actually Self Ownership is the most fundamental of all human freedoms.
It’s a pity due to taxes on incomes and the NHS that we don’t have it.
More than that – we can’t take drugs and can’t sell kidneys. Yet we can abort children. Logic?
Even worse, we can’t pass a sentence of capital punishment on the worst offender, but we can kill children who are as yet unborn, even though younger children children have been born and survived. I am not saying capital punishment is good, or abortion is bad, just that we have a logical non-sequitur in our laws about ending human life involuntarily.
under Ingsoc EVERYTHING is a crime!
Errr…..he’s a fucking nutter that’s why.
Anyone read Hezzer in the Times? Dave, you have been told.
Someone should bugger this stupid old woman – get her to put her teacup down first of course. Then she’ll have something to write to council about. Also bugger the arresting officers when they turn up – might be more fun.
Wrong.
She’s perfectly entitled to express her view. She did so politely, referring, as she did, to ’sodomites’. She could have said ‘arse-bandits’, ‘brown-cappers’, ‘chutney-ferrets’ or a whole host of other, equally accurate but arguably offensive phrases.
There are many other things that offend people – homosexuals overtly flaunting their sexuality in public, for one thing. The tolerant thing to do is to ignore it and walk away, but it is perfectly in order to express ones distaste, provided it is done politely.
Jolly articulate old boy, and absolutely correct of course.
How do you say politely that you don’t agree with blokes sticking their willies up each others bum?
110 — what people ‘do to each other’ is there business. male female mixed however you like and thats been the case since time began.
People exist and are what they are. I am happy if they keep their mprivar business private. I think its a shame for them, but you Mr Normal could help yourself – as it is you chose to be, well … one big arsehole.
Here’s some gayboy being put straight by some highly moral black kids:
Is that central Liverpool?
Help, what is a progressive to do!! Black or gay, black or gay, black or ga…
Look like Somalis or Sudanese to me.
totally Agree Guido, trouble is there is a sinister agenda behind all this being offended.
You could state it very mildly as Repression and its going to get a lot worse, all these new laws were always intended for the Indigenous Brits and Europeans when they / we started to wake up.
It’s going to get worse, they are boiling the Frog and I’m not sure if enough of us have woken up to put the Frightners on whoever is turning up the Heat on us.
Bit like the smoking ban really, one of the key ‘arguments’, was that none of these pc types could go to a pub, because all the nasty rough locals smoked in there, thus they felt excluded.
Post ban, the fu*kers still don’t go in the pub, which of course will now close, because the locals would mostly rather have a fag with their beer at home.
The righteous bastards lied about second hand smoke just to get their own way.
http://www.spiked-online.com/index.php/site/article/7626/
Not a smoker and they don’t bother me in the slightest. but my fave thing happened the other day. Have to pass a Labour Club on the way home and of course it was raining heavily and gusting wind as well. There they all were all hudlled under the tiny little porch at the front door dragging on their damp ‘fags’ (can I say that word given the topic) All soaked to the skins, cold and looking very fed up.
WANKERS serves em right and will teach them to vote Labour.
Sadly almost 50 % of the pubs have now closed down in the town and here’s the irony in the summer the non smokers are trapped inside the pub on beautiful days as all the outside tables are full of smokers as they have no other place to go. The Labour law of unintended consequences strikes yet again just beacuse they pandered to someones feelings. Perhaps the smoker had the last laugh after all.
Freedom of speech is (or should be) freedom of offensive speech. Liberal platitudes and niceties don’t need to be protected.
Stephen Fry puts it more eloquently than I ever could:
Steven Fry puts most things somewhat more eloquently than the vast majority of the rest of us ever could
Stephen Fry? Isn’t he a supporter of the Labour Quislings and so very much part of the problem?
yes
Oh yes indeed
Fry did put that rather well
Such a shame he was a proven thief. I can live with the gay bit if he keeps it to himself.
Amazed he managed a visa to the USA with his criminal record for the filing of his latest series. Presume Auntie swung it?
Slightly O/T
PC Advice please.
I spent all day getting a script from a chemists about 3 months ago. By the time I’d finally got it, it was mid-afternoon and I was very frustrated and short-tempered.
The assistant then came out to apologise in the car park, were I was turning to leave. I said I was fed up as it is hard enough turning a bob without spending all day on this, “and it doesn’t help fancying the arse off you”.
She probably gulped before saying Oh, and disappearing back into the shop.
I had a call from the Area manager who asked me not to use that branch again as the girl had referred it to “human resources” and was upset.
Three months on and I popped in to have a quiet word, but to no avail as she refused to talk to me, so an apology to her has been denied me.
It is still preying on my mind as I never upset anyone deliberately.
Any advice peeps?
Yeah, get over it FFS!
Unload elsewhere
Don’t be upset, she’s probably a lezza.
Stand in the window and lick your eyebrows, let her see what she’s missing.
It always works for me.
‘Ere stop messin’ abahht!!
Emigrate?
I am sorry to say that your chat up line needs a bit of work and it’s also not a good idea to chat up the pharmacist’s assistant who has just made up your prescription for treating a “possibly embarassing ailment” or getting angry at someone you’re trying to get friendlier with in the purely sexual sense.
As she came to find you in the car park you had the ideal opportunity to practise your charm(and working on that at subsequent visits) although possibly telling her that you “fancy the arse off her” isn’t the best opening gambit. Your strapline of Pi***ock probably sums it up. If you are still keen I suppose you could write a letter apologising and explaining that you’d had a stressful day or suffer from “Tourettes Syndrome” and tell her that the remark was totally “inappropriate” and you sincerely regret offending her – it may work unless she thinks you’re a total “perv” in which case I suggest you move on and chalk it up to experience.
Any advice?
Yeah, stop being a limp wristed, milquetoast pussy!
Jimmy Carr does have a case to answer under the Trades Description Act. Jimmy Car, Commedian? Probably not.
Meanwhile, Brown has managed to wreck the TA, Miliband has ambitions for Europe, Labour is sliding in Wales. And Jack Straw denies that there was any secret plot! Miliband, Straw and Brown are bigger commedians than Jimmy Carr could ever hope to be. Sadly their punchline could be dangerous…
Milibands ambition for himself, too little too late, has Brown doomed the TA? Labour tanking in Wales, Jack ‘Man of’ Straw denies secret plot, dangerous offenders continue to rape and murder on Brown’s watch
Interestingly the English Defence League will be marching with moderate Muslims on Saturday against Jihadists.
I can hear the UAF idiots heads exploding from here.
“but…but…they’re racists….aren’t they? Nazi scum off our streets!”
Meanwhile the Jihadists call for gays to be stoned, 40 lashes for a pint of Guinness and women to be kept in stables.
http://www.englishdefenceleague.org/
Let’s see a copy of her letter then.
You dirty little granny grabber.
If the hate crime villain’s property had been stolen either by a raving homosexual or a raving hetrosexual and the whole of her property then ransacked she would have cause to call the police.
The odds of two coppers then calling at her door in those circumstances would be virtually nil.
lets see if i get moderated………
time to grow up people and look at what is being done……..
all of these stupid ‘crimes’ are a way of controlling us……..making each and every one of us compliant……..
we are attacked by govt,the law,utililities,the bbc ,local councils etc………
so i have to ask………as adults why cant we just turn the other cheek?
if someone like this woman voices her opinion then why isnt that fine?
is some comment from her going to upset all the gays and make them have nervous breakdowns? no!
if someone insults us we can CHOOSE our reaction………
learn some self control (ie martial arts or boxing) and dont fly off into hysteria every time a few words are uttered………
all of these reactions are childish and quite pathetic……….
the fact that we have umpteen laws entrapping us now shows to me just how pathetic and cunning our law makers are………..they get us all fighting each other while they wreck the western world………..its a slieght of hand operation….
wake up!
grow up!
time to think about where all this shit is leading us………..
the destination looks rather awful to me……….
Typical twaddle.
What actually is a ‘hate crime’?
Will the real Master Baiter please stand up?
Here
Don’t the police hate crime?
Is that a hate crime?
The police love crime; their jobs depend on it.
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Where is that old Marxist stooge ? I thought too much cheap cider had finally killed him off.
Anyhow, what a wick joke it was. Almost as hilarious as the one, during the Troubles, about the Irish having the best shooting team.
I hope a soldier punches him in the face though. That’ll make me laugh.
It was, of course, entirely right that old Mr Wolfgang was bundled out of the Labour conference. It wasn’t a one-off – it was just that the mask slipped early and the pogroms against old people who dare to hold moral values with which Ben Bradshaw disagrees was scheduled to take place later. It was hoped the crinklies would just die off or go on the Liverpool Pathway after being stripped of their remaining wealth by the Court of Protection, but they might have to be liquidated. The sad thing is, people like Mr Wolfgang and countless well-meaning Labourite grannies have helped bring this doom down on themselves by persistently supporting Labour, which is indistinguishable from fascism in its terror against individuals who don’t agree with it.
I myself am now a Domestic Extremist.
stick the kettle on then
A Jihad on the dust occupation.
I’ve been terrorising the spiders in the kitchen with my home made conkerskin washing up gloves. All the plates have gone brown but my hands feel soft and gentle. Oaten, you should try them.
Sodomites bringing down empires? I thought the fall of Rome came during the non pagan christian era…..(!)
We’ve got some very important boxes to tick, so back off, or you all go on the list.
Confused of Suburbia writes:
“Dear Sir, I would just like to congratulate the postal service on the recent improvement I noticed. Usually the mail arrives around lunchtime, and has done for years. The postman, slowly peddling his bike from house to house, is a very familiar scene round here. For some reason hoever, the mail over the last 2 days has been on my doormat before breakfast! I noticed a bright yellow van speeding down the road, pausing briefly at each house for some sprightly young ponytailed youth to dash down the drives in no time. Well done! Whatever you have changed, please keep it up. I would like to know, however, why you didn’t make these improvements much earlier?
Yours gratefully
Rt Hon Sir Confused Fuddy Duddy esq.”
Agreed! We’ve now got cracking totty delivering our mail very early.
More strikes please
writing from my mobile,on the toilet,punctuation is not a key priority engineer.nor would it be were i sat at a computer,being as i’m leaving comments on a blog messageboard,and not writing a novel,you complete tool.as for addressing my suggestion that this comment page is just bashing a minority,you fail.in fact it shows how blind you actually are by the fact your main issue is regarding punctuation.seriously mate,you are just reinforcing my original point…
Just because it’s a blog doesn’t absolve you from using the normal rules of punctuation and grammar. They exist for a reason – clarity of expression. Using a different means of sending messages doesn’t alter the basic rules – sloppy English is offensive to many people, and we’re entitled to expess our views on that.
Your original point was that you regarded it as perfectly acceptable for a pensioner to be interviewed by the police because her views offended someone. Should you be interviewed by the police because your inability to use proper English offends me? Is either case a proper use of police time?
The freedom to express your views is absolutely fundamental to democracy, and under this government, that freedom is being steadily eroded. Guido is perfectly right to highlight this.
its free speech or censorship
Give Peas A Chance!
With Jimmy Carr, it’s one of those things isn’t it. There’s people telling you that what he said was offensive but you can’t help laughing regardless because you understand it’s a joke..
It’s a bit like listening to Nick Griffin really… you know what’s he saying is offensive but you can’t help laughing because you know he’s just a joke.
Sunny Hundal is one big bloody hypocrite of course:
http://www.pickledpolitics.com/archives/6080
.. someone who for all his supposedly caring, sensitive left-wing sensibilities thinks nothing wrong in “digging up dirt on the opposition”. Some boffin will no doubt one day identify the socialist smear gene.
The definition of sodomite is one who practices sodomy, which was an accurate description and hardly a hate crime. This is precisely what they are: deviants, degenerates and perverts. F*** these assholes (scuse the pun) and their gay pride marches. These people have no interest in helping hard-pressed society and stand for little more than me, me, me.
Sunny Hundal is no liberal. In fact he’s a twat.
http://www.frankfisher.org/?p=84
As Afua Hirsch points out on CiF today (hidden away far from the front page),
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/libertycentral/2009/oct/27/free-speech-human-rights-act
the interesting thing about all these free speech squabbles is that the so-called “free speech” industry – the people paid to talk about this – remain silent. It was ever thus. When rights collide, they crawl back into their socialist holes to avoid thinking difficult thoughts. On the rights of the bnerrpee, holocaust denial, conflicts of religious belief and liberal goals, squabbling minorities… silence.
Its now illegal to have an opinion…unless its the same as the states opinion.
HAHA! I Liked the Sunny Hundal anecdote.
Gay pride? Many homosexuals might have a great deal to be proud of. They might be successful in business or do wonderful charitable works.
But proud of being gay?
Please explain why wanting to take it up the arse from another man is a source of pride.
Yeah, the BBC is pretty good – they should be proud of that
Freedom of speech doesn’t mean freedom to shout “Fire” in a crowded theatre. Britain is a free country but freedom has its limits, as all sane people recognise.
At the end of the day the people elect the govenment who make the laws. If you disagree with the laws, you have a right to do so. But if you break the law you will be arrested and will have to explain yourself to the Police.
That’s how democracy works. Sadly, the Libertarian loons on here don’t seem to understand the basics yet.
She hadn’t broken the law though had she? The Police knew this before they visited as they had her letter in their possession and were able to read and assess this and self evidently had prior to the visit. The visit was therefore without purpose and redundant.
So why did the Police pay her a visit? She hadn’t broken the law and thus “did not have to explain herself to the Police” as you put it.
Do you understand it yet?
No vote on the European super state, No say who heads it, PM who was never voted for, No adequate debate on legislation in the commons, mass immigration imposed with no debate, Wars undertaken on illegal basis, Laws that apply to the public but not the politicians, Business allowed to lobby in secret. THIS IS HOW DEMOCRACY WORKS.
fuck off you fabian/fascist Hoon
Shouting fire is perfectly reasonably if the theatre *is* on fire. No party stood on a manifesto committment to enslave us to this pc shit, and no definition of democracy that I’m aware of includes jailing people for having differing opinions. I wouldn’t jail you lot for what you say. However, for what you lot have *done*, I’d have you shot. Fuck no, I’d shoot you myself.
treason remains a capital crime in my book.
As someone once said you can take away all my freedoms but leave me with freedom of speech, because with that one I’ll win back all the others.
That is how democracy works – the absolute tyranny of 51%. It is merely the least worst system, not intrinsically good.
This is not how liberty and human rights work. Democratic oppression is still oppression.
Let alone us getting into arguments about the legitimacy of actual voting systems, delivering elective dictatorship from minority support.
And the quality of enforcement is rather different between, oh that poor mother who burnt her and her daughter to death because the police wouldn’t help and the plods who make a business of intimidating people for not-actually-illegal-yet thought crime.
Also note the treatment of say, people being deeply offensive to marching troops, in word and placard, in public, with a clear intention or expectation of offending (e.g. a crime under section 5 of the public order act) and the treatment of a women writing privately to an arm of government requesting them to consider her opinion in exercising their public functions.
I guess a believe in liberty and rule of law as opposed to discretionary enforcement of bad law according to political criteria makes me a ‘loon’
The abolsute tyranny of 9 million over 52 million you mean.
The absolute tyranny of 646 over 61 million
Join me on November 5th. I have pig masks if anyone needs one.
http://bastardoldholborn.blogspot.com/2009/10/november-5th-walk-details.html
In the Mail article on this incident
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222861/Pensioner-complained-gay-pride-march-warned-police-hate-crime.html
Buttinger (unfortunate name) is mentioned as follows:
She received a response from the council’s deputy chief executive, Bridget Buttinger, who said it was the local authority’s ‘duty… to eliminate discrimination of all kinds’.
I would love to know what authority/statute confers this sort of power on a local authority. I think we should all write to Ms Buttinger asking for this information. I always thought they were there to deal with bins and so on.
It’s fuck all to do with the council. Their job is to provide publiic services and fuck all else.
‘Subsequently two police officers turned up on her doorstep to warn her that she had committed a “hate crime”.’
If she’d phoned them to report a burglary they would have given her a crime number and no-one would have turned up. I asked a woman copper what they were going to do once and she just shrugged her shoulders.
To these retarded amoeba types, calling somebody human is an insult.
If we banned every article of speech that someone found offensive there would probably be nothing left to say.
Norfolk police – the force which failed miserably to find the murderers of several young women in the county but which revelled in the persecution of a socially-challenged farmer who, in terror for his life, shot two burglars who had just broken into his home in the middle of the night (and not for the first time).
Glad you can find the time to send two officers to persecute the old lady chaps. Must make you very proud!
Good point.
Well made
Hello, is that the police?
Go to Guido’s new comment, there are 15,784 hate crime messages there.
And what measures have you taken to remove sodomite from the dictionary? Until you do, it is a permissible word.
Ampers
Subsequently two police officers turned up on her doorstep to warn her that she had committed a “hate crime”. Guardianistas cheer on the police.
No they didn’t say that, and no, the “Guardianistas” did not cheer. She was not charged with any crime, and Ben Summerskill, chief executive of Stonewall, criticised the police’s action. “Clearly her views are pretty offensive, but nevertheless this is disproportionate. I’m glad Norfolk police didn’t take it any further,” he said.
The Christian lobby try so hard to find examples of this, and this rubbish is the best they can do. The police clearly overreacted. They’ve been known to overreact in other instances, to, I’ve heard.
Nice perspective. I think the actions of the police are very strange here, but unfortunately, not untypical. It’s not so much the political correctness thing, but how easy it was to “go after” this woman, it’s how conveniently easy it was. Here we have someone who put her name and address down and, so it’s seems we should assume, is to the great extent law abiding citizen. The analogy I would draw is to speed traps. The police are only ever going to catch those who have lawfully registered their car. While they are pulling over hundreds and thousands of those going 6mp over a speeding limit in empty road conditions, those driving illegally, without registration, insurance, perhaps on drink and drugs, are going unpunished, because it takes a bit of effort to catch those people.
I always remember the arrest of Matthew Kelly following some false allegations made against him by a couple of teenagers. He could have been invited down to a police station to hear the allegations and put his case. Instead, not only was he arrested, but it took five detectives to do so, having watched his show first and with the press in attendance.
I do sometimes wonder what motivates the police. And acting on behalf of the community in general is not one of the answers that readily springs to mind when I hear of such instances.
Well, that’s a suprise. A reasonable and polite response on Guido’s forum! Thank you.
Did we fight WWII so that “holocaust denial” could become an indictable offence?
Just asking.
The sun shines out of my arse.
And the s hirt lifters like that.
And there’s no one like a good stoning better than me, – it’s part of my affected belief system, – innit!
Thought Carr quite a funny and actually true point.
Squddie humour has always bean dark, those that have been injured have the darkest humour of them all.
TWAT
The elderly have views which reflect the times in which they grew up. It is inevitable that they will become out of step with mainstream society.
In London (Hackney) in the 1970s I came across an old lady with a black cat she had mamed “Nigger”.
When I commented that she wouldn’t be calling his name if he got lost, she gave me an earful.
“I’ve had black cats all my life; I’ve always called them nigger, and I’m not going to change.”was the gist of it.
Tolerance has to work both ways, or it ceases to exist and becomes something else entirely.
“if somebody offends you in a public space, without inciting violence or defaming you, tough.”
Unless they’re cockmunching shirtlifters of course, then those mincing pinkos at the town hall have to stop it. It’s what Jesus would do.
I’m 67 you know.
Its very simple – tuen the system back on them.
She should make a formal complaint to Police that the Council has perpetarted a Hate Crime against her and breached her Human Righhts by denying her freedom of religous expression.
She should copy that com-plaint ot
1the Council Cghief Executive
Its very simple – turn the system back on them.
She should make a formal complaint to Police that the Council has perpetrated a Hate Crime against her and breached her Human Rights by denying her freedom of religous expression and has indirectly discriminated against her on grounds of her sexual orientation and age. She should also complain that her original complaint has not been acted upon.
She should copy that complaint to
1 the Council Chief Executive
2 the Leader of the Council
3 that nice Mr Phillips at the Equality and Human Rights Commission
4 the Chief Constable
5 Chairman/woman of the Police Authority
and in each case ask that there be a full investigation of the conduct of the Council and its officials and asking what their policy is on harassing elderly ratepayers . She should also make it clear that the correspondence has been copied to the editor of the Daily Mail and her local MP
She probably wont get much of a result on this but by God it will make them squirm and think twice the next time
In parallel with that she might try an FOI request on the Council and the Police seeking disclosure of all relevant papers to see what little comments may be lurking in there.
Don’t forget the Data Protection Act and the right to see and review information held on you.
Google “HMSO” and you will find your way to a website that contains most of our legislation; that legislation database comes with a search facility.
It is a little time consuming but extremely rewarding.
I was able to send a copy of a Statutory Instrument to the Child Support Agency which specifically prevented them from doing what they were trying to do.
Their actions were illegal.
They were ignorant of the law; as is the case with the majority of civil servants who act according to instructions from above, not according to the law itself.
Any Old Bill on here?
If so, can you tell us how many boxes this vist to this pensioner ticked?
window boxes?
388 Thank you.
Best advice ever.
They don’t like it up ‘em
There is an expression “See yourself as others see you”. I have a shrewd idea how Brown’s Brave New Britain views me if I were to describe myself thus;
a) White = Racist
b) British = Imperialist and see a)
c) Male = Sexist
d) English = see a) but with an added propensity to violence towards the Scots, Irish, Welsh etc.
e) Heterosexual = Possible homophobe
f) Middle Class = Good source of taxation
g) Work in private sector = see f)
h) Home owner = see f)
i) Married = possible conservative tendencies and e)
j) Middle aged = see i)
k) Catholic = Sexist & homophobic
The upshot is that my views, when not considered as “hate” crimes”, are of no consequence and can be ignored.
My wife does work in front line services in the NHS. As her job title does not include the words “outreach”, “diversity” or “manager” she may not be deemed “on message”.
enjoyable post
nicely put fawkes
CW
Fawkes? I thought he was Irish?
Excellent sentiments, Guido. This country is run by humourless, idiotic morons. Any joke can upset someone, so you could argue that the Government bans humour. And as for sending police officers round to that lady’s house for expressing an honestly held opinion, then please, grow up everybody. If i say to a gay person: “…I find gay sex revolting….” then so what, it’s an honest opininion. If i called a gay person a ponce, it would be very rude of me, and say alot about me as a person – but come on, it should not lead to a visit from PC Plod. Now if was to blatantly discriminate against a gay person, or beat him up, then I would be breaking the law, and be dealt with accordingly. Is it too much to ask for a return of commonsense. “Political Correctness” (totalitarianism by any other name) is a cancer on society, and sane individuals have got to start a fightback. Hopefully beginning with a change of Governenment.
What about hating the devil and all his works? Where does the Law stand on that?
Guido you bloody human = Dido! You humbug loony
It’s barely believable that we have anything such as a “hate crime” in the first place, if it applies to free speech and thought.
We are fast reaching the stage where schoolchildren will be encouraged to listen into their parents conversations and then sneak off to their district NuLabour Youth Komissar and report them for it. When we were sixth formers, we used to joke about “thought crimes” which back then – in the UK at least – existed only in the novels we read.
Now it’s real, so watch what you say. Or you’ll have Inspector Knacker and his darth vader suited chums banging on the door at 6 am because you dared to describe someone as “camp”.
Sorry Guido freedom of speech went out with Labour’s Sexual Orientation Regulations.
Try offending the new masters if you want to see what happens.
Yo Fatty Fawkes
At last a very good post.
Send yourself a kosher pizza or probably three.
Sodomy with a member of the same male sex is beastly, but sodomy with a person of the feminine gender is GREAT!
yuk
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Sorry, but I don’t see what the problem is here. Some odious old crone wrote a particularly hateful letter, and someone at the council, who presumably wasn’t an expert in hate crimes, thought it might be a crime and asked the police to investigate. The police investigated and found no crime had been committed.
End of story.
That sounds to me remarkably how things should work.
Sorry, but I don’t see what the problem is here. Some odious old crone wrote a particularly hateful letter, and someone at the council, who presumably wasn’t an expert in hate crimes, thought it might be a crime and asked the police to investigate. The police investigated and found no crime had been committed.
End of story.
That sounds to me remarkably how things should work.
BTW I love your blog!
Just in case anyone is confused, post 460 was not from me. Although actually, I do rather like Guido’s blog.
I wish people would get to grips with the English language.
The term ‘homosexual’ is not a word nor can it be. ‘Homo’ as in ‘Homo sapiens’ means ‘man’ NOT male. It is a generic term for the said species, including both male and female. Sexual……Ooo steady on matron…. means exactly what it says and can only result in conception. What they get up to cannot and therefore is not sexual, but buggery. And as for buggery or buggered it refers to an action that can best be described as ‘misuse resulting in damage’ eg. ‘aye up tha’s buggered it now’ which when translated is ‘now then, you have broken it’.
As for ‘homo phobia’ again a complete cock-up of the english language. As before ‘homo’ is man not male but the generic term ‘Man’. So how the hell can anyone, male or female be accused of hating the species ‘Man’ when we are that species.
Quite mistaken, I fear. A decent dictionary which shows etymologies would help you out here. The ‘homo-’ prefix is not from the Latin word for ‘man’ but the Greek word for ’same’ (ὁμός). ‘Homosexual’ thus means ’same-sex’.
With the two parts of the word coming from different ancient languages, one is reminded of C P Scott’s dictum: “Television? The word is half Latin and half Greek. No good can come of it” – a dictum which is true of many such words, e.g. bigamy, genocide, sociopath (and sociologist), quadriplegia – and, er, bicycle.
Oh, and ‘homophobia’ is certainly an utter nonsense of a word, but not for the reasons stated.
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