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Lord Lamont told ITV News…
“I think the PM is just human and Ed Balls is a pretty irritating person”
Let’s hope it is worth reading/listening to!
It won’t be. More PC nonsense from DC. Leave the EU NOW!
Nothing
Christ. I agree with something you’re written
I’ll get us out of the fucking EU and stop imigration. no problem
He could simply repeal the ECA/Rome, denounce all the treaties subsequent, and we can push off.
That will really get him into Obama’s and Hillary Clinton’s good books won’t it?
Idiot.
Why?
See my link to the Guardian article below.
So this is what EU “democracy” is all about?
Our foreign policy is not dictated by what the Obamessiah and the Clintroid want. They don’t love us any more anyway. So we should do what is most in our interest.
Interesting (but not surprising) that the NuLab drones think American opinion counts for more than what is right for British democracy. It is pretty much game over anyway, unless we get the hell out of the EU. With all the main political parties totally wedding to the great New Communist Idea, we haven’t a hope.
Why should we seek to ingratiate ourselves with Obama/Clinton?
Why indeed.
If we should declare war on America just see how much support we get from Europe,vey little I think.
Even declare war on Europe and see how much support we get from America
I like soup
That soup to you.
Dave is going to propose Stanislav for President. He’ll sort the EU!
Talking of which – any idea where the living legend is these days?
Freddie Forsythe had an excellent take on how DC could achieve a positive result if Lisbon is ratified. He writes an article in the Express on a Friday, well worth looking at their site just for that. It may be archived, i will check for the column.
I believe DC should up the Anti and run on an election ticket of renegotiating the UK position in the EU. Then with an overwhelming mandate of the people, he will have the mandate to break up and tear apart the Lisbon treaty. It is the will of the people. I think this would be the decisive point in getting them further ahead in the polls. Especially if Blair is president, they can run on an anti Labour sticth up of UK democracy.
Purpleline: You CANNOT negotiate or renegotiate, with the EU !
Under Acquis Communautaire – its is now fait accompli !
Finis ! Buggered ! Neutered !
Easy – have a referendum. Job done.
Sounds like a vote winner, I’ll stick it in my manifesto for next year’s general election.
The EU pricks will make us keep having referendums until there’s a positive vote in favour of Kinnockland
That would be no problem here – each vote would be more negative than the last!!!
YES, definitely.
Easy?
After Lisbon goes through there might not be a solution. With Article 50 it would take 2 years to leave. During which time we would have to abide by the rules of the Treaties. Since the rule making ability would be completely out of our control they could make changes daily for us to trip over. The future annexes and Protocols to the treaties form part of the treaties. Article 51.
It is the most woolly written open ended laws that have ever been created. To make a decision on an action, that could not be taken until after next May, is stupid. The treaty will have been altered by then.
All the Conservatives need to say is that they will fight against X and support Y but never do Z. Then try to work out how to make us believe them. The tools they use to make those ideas happen (referendums etc.) are for them to keep hidden from the EU. Even saying we will have a referendum is nuts. A referendum on what? As soon as it is announced the EU can make sure that it is impossible to carry out. If they want to fight the creep of the undemocratic EU without loss of the EU market power they need to be clever and secretive.
How they get us to trust them is the issue. The calling for a promise of a referendum is bizarre, as we already have proof that we are powerless to make that happen after a promise from Labour. To call for one now is to state that you trust the Conservative promises more than Labour promises. If you do, then why call for a promise at all. Just trust them.
“It would take two years to leave…we’d have to abide by the rules of the Treaties”. Or else what? Are they going to declare war on us? Oh right…maybe they will. Wouldn’t be the first time.
People on the streets with Pitchforks perhaps
Leave the EU would be a good answer.
Fudge the issue sounds best.
One policy at a time.
We’ll cross that bridge if it comes to that.
The treaty hadn’t been ratified yet.
Fudge the issue sounds best.
One policy at a time.
We’ll cross that bridge if it comes to that.
The treaty hasn’t been ratified yet.
Leave the EU!
He will do FUCK ALL like the other tossers,
Most of us want out of the EU
Maybe he could spend more money on education with a particular emphasis on spelling?
He has explicitly said he does NOT want to leave the EU and wont even hold a referendum on that issue.
Trying to blow ubnder the carpet that he will do sod all
Time for all you Little Englanders to get a grip and face the reality of the modern world. As this excellent Labourlist article puts it:
“The future of our increasingly globalised world, with all its successes and failures, lies in greater international cooperation – whether on economic, environmental or security issues; the smart power of the EU (access to its market, trade agreements, and the aid it offers), will make the Europe more and more important to the global economy.
If the UK wishes to play a leading role in those new world affairs – in which economic and political influence are increasingly centred on the EU – in order to influence the policy agenda that will affect our future success, then co-operation – and not just traditional state sovereignty – must be the way forward. Unlike the Tories, the Labour party recognises this and understands the important role the EU plays within the international community not only through its massive economic clout, but through its increasing political influence.
Progress in politics, and ultimately in the way we decide to lead our lives, depends on our ability to adapt and change. There are undoubtedly mechanisms in the EU which could work better. But by creating a small group which lacks any influence in the European Parliament, the Tories have weakened their position considerably, both at home and in terms of our international standing. President Obama, for instance, will find it very difficult to work with a Conservative Britain with such little influence in Europe.
Lisbon is the minimum that needs to be achieved if the EU is to modernise and develop further as an organic regional club. If Cameron does not face up to the realities of the modern world and its inter-dependency, he will find that the UK will no longer be at the EU table debating and influencing the key issues that concern our country.”
http://www.labourlist.org/conservative-party-policy-europe-lisbon-deckers-dowber
This is obviously a wind-up, right? You are called Julia Middleton and I claim my £5.
Troll.
Fabian Solutions? – Is that an oxymoron or just a moron?
I have a very large mallet too.
So one hears.
THE WORLD HASNT CHANGED !
Its these fkin politicians that are changing it to exert ever increasing control over us peasants.
TIME TO REVOLT ME THINKS !
Europe is revolting…..innit!
Whata load of cobblers. When did you fly in ?
So, you are an undemocratic authoriatarian who believes that the EU is too important to be left to the conscience of British voters?
And you have the nerve to call others “extremists”?
I’m not saying the British voters haven’t had a say. Our democratically elected Government has made its decision of behalf of the people. That’s what they were elected for.
UKIP didn’t win the last election. Labour did. That’s how representative democracy works.
The fact is that complex and highly technical decisions such as the Lisbon treaty are too convoluted and demanding for most people who don’t have the time or the knowledge to go into all the details. That’s why we elect politicians – to make the decisions on behalf of the people.
Take that manifesto pledge and stuff it up your arse is how democratically elected politicians communicated with the electorate you snivelling turd.
You mean swivelling don’t you?
Fabian: Get back to the nut house !
Politicians such as Caroline Flint, who admitted to having never read the Lisbon Treaty?
Have the promised referendum then. Let’s put your theory to the test.
Fucking liars.
We promised a referendum on the Constitution Treaty, which is different from the Lisbon Treaty.
The very fact that you don’t even understand this simple fact proves that the general public isn’t informed enough to make these decisions, at least not directly.
I understand it just fine. It’s a lie – and you’re a liar. Want a scrap?
The very fact that you’re engaging in semantics, obfuscation, deviance, duplicity, erroneous definitions, abstract gibberish means that Labour are screwed. If Tory strategists promote the SNP, allow Jocks to think they’re getting quick wins out of the Tories over the next parliament and push for Jock independence means that Labour are dead. Stone dead. Never to sully our land again.
Fabian Solutions? I shit fabian solutions – I want the final solution with regards to Labour – mass execution of their horrid & vile ilk. Pop that in yer pipe & smoke it you degenerate arsehole.
Who says the Constitution and Treaty are different? Valery Giscard-Destaing says they’re the same, and he wrote it.
If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck.
I’ve read the Fecking Lisbon Treaty albeit without the references to the Constitution amendments and I don’t give a toss whether its the same or not: I ain’t going to abide with any more euro facist communist, socialist whatever it is without a referendum on who is our Government or Head of State.
If I need a licence to fish in the river they need a mandate to govern us.
The only party who is offering this is UKIP. It should be a separate referendum and we can talk about domestic issues after that has been settled.
“Our democratically elected Government has made its decision of behalf of the people”
That cannot possibly be your argument?
So you are an undemocratic authoriatarian as the poster above stated.
Duly noted.
One part of Europe says it’s a different name hence different treaty. The other says it’s a different name but in all essentials it’s the same treaty.
Well now, who do we believe?
I would be more convinced by your argument if the politicians has bothered to read the Lisbon document.
Our democratically elected government were elected on a mandate of a European referendum which they have reneged on.
Is that how democracy is meant to work?
We promised a referendum on the Constitution Treaty, which is different from the Lisbon Treaty.
The very fact that you don’t even understand this simple fact proves that the general public isn’t informed enough to make these decisions, at least not directly.
Yes the Lisbon Treaty is different from the constitution. Let’s recount the differences.
1, It has a different name.
2, It has a different name.
3, Err…
You are not talking to a bunch of thick, labour-supporting benefit-dependents here. So why even bother with your spin and lies you tosspot?
You don’t want a referendum because you know you would lose. So you lied and betrayed the British people…again. Your comment about the masses not understanding the implications of the treaty says everything anyone should ever need to know about new Liebour.
You have been rumbled and soon lots of your councillors, MPs and advisers will be looking for new jobs. Good luck. I’m sure lots of employers will be queuing up to employ you – deceipt, hypocrisy, dishonesty and financial profligacy being essential in the job market nowadays.
You forgot to mention the Lisbon treaty had a smaller typeface and less gap between the lines then the Lisbon CONstitution. So it made it look like the treaty was “streamlined” (a New Labour favourite word).
Labour will not win the next election, the Tories will. And if they hold a referendum that involves us leaving the hated EU, well as you put it so aptly yourself…..That’s how representative democracy works.
Then, when politicians deliberately make the wrong decisions on purpose, to serve themselves and not the people, then I guess the people can kill and eat them? OK?
Can I eat you, please Mr Davis?
“Little Englanders”
I am British born of Pakistani extraction.
I am against the EU.
Are you going to call me a “little Paki Englander”?
what a strange comment to make. are you asking to be called that? Very unusual. All the Pakistani extracted people I know would be appalled at the title.
Still it takes all sorts and that is what makes Britain Great, diversity.
You are a trolling wind up! ZanuLab won the last election by a con trick – a referendum was promised on the EU constitution (which is what the Lisbon Treaty is in all but name) and then that promise was cynically broken!
Bah! We won’t forget the lying shame of ZaNuLab I can tell you!
Our ‘democratically elected Government’ came to power based on a ‘democratically’ written manifesto that categorically stated the a referendum would be held on Lisbon. And we weren’t given one.
So bollocks on your democracy. It just ain’t what is says on the tin, is it. Please. don’t lecture ANYONE on democracy.
labour were elected with referendum promise in their manfesto.
lies. all lies. and no shame from any one of them.
just a massive trough from where their bellies are being filled.
Quote: “Our democratically elected Government has made its decision of behalf of the people. That’s what they were elected for.”
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Utterly delusional lie filled bullshit.
Quote: “The fact is that complex and highly technical decisions such as the Lisbon treaty are too convoluted and demanding for most people who don’t have the time or the knowledge to go into all the details.”
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HA HA HA HA HA HA!!! I have read both the Constitutional Treaty, AND the Reform Treaty. The former being a replacement for earlier treaties and a new document that creates a legal framework, or “constitution”.
The latter AMENDS the earlier treaties to create a legal framework or “constitution” that is IDENTICAL to the legal framework proposed by the Constitutional Treaty, except for the national anthem and title of the foreign secretary.
The obscene amount of undeserved, unearned and unwarranted arrogance in your comment betrays how labour really thinks. It OOOZES concentrated contempt for the electorate from every word. The anti British extremism is now becoming more and more apparent every day and the scale of the betrayal is cruelly waking up more and more of their former supporters every day.
Look forward to labour being UTTERLY destroyed next May.
Wow, you are scary.
What about self determination of the individual?
What about democracy?
You are a democrat, aren’t you Fabian?
Read my reply above.
The EU is committed to democracy. The Tories, UKIP and the B_N_P are simply fearmongering when it comes to the EU.
where is our vote then fabian?
you are a scary individual. but so was hitler and his thrid reich.
we beat him and them.
we will beat you and your fourth reich as well.
ballot box or bomb – we will have our say – and if you deny us democracy and refuse to adhere to the democratic process then do not be too surprised about the results.
If I understand your threats correctly can I warn you that strict preventative anti-terror measures are in place and the State is not afraid to use them.
Fabian solutions historically included eugenics, didn’t they? Nice company you’re keeping, there.
That’s what they told Poland, East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Belarus, Romania, Bulgaria, Yugoslavia, Ukraine… and many more for 80 years… where’s your Soviet union now?
“The EU is committed to democracy.”
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Did you vote in the EU elections then?
Noone allowed me to vote on the Constitution.
That is the undemocratic basis of the EU.
You don’t like democracy do you little boy?
Throbber, you can’t vote on everything you know. The Lisbon Treaty is too complicated for most people to understand – such decisions are best left to the experts.
As far as you are concerned I can’t vote on anything.
What you don’t like is that people like me do actually understand what you and your lot are up to with the treaty. We see through you, you vile evil bastard.
Here is the traitorization of the Chairmanic situation
http://www.margaretthatcher.org/archive/heath-eec.asp
The EU is committed to democracy.
Then can I have a vote on who is president or if I want the EU to represent me?
We already had a referendum – under the Tory Heath if you know your history!
Loser.
Anyone under the age of 54 hasn’t been given a vote on EU membership.
That was to join a Common Market. Things have changed a lot since then.
We didn’t. Heath lied and betrayed us.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1494764/Britain-would-be-happy-to-scrap-the-pound-Heath-told-French.html#
FS is slightly wrong about the 1975 referendum on continued membership of the, then EEC. It was in 1975, under Wilson’s Labour Government and was a simple question. These are the terms of our membership, on that basis, do you want to remain a member.
Anybody under the age of 52 has had not further say in the matter and the EU has become ever more like the UN a useless talking shop which appeases vested interests and extremists.
Personally, I think Cameron should adopt a similar approach to Wilson, with a referendum based on this question: Lisbon sets the terms of our membership of the European Union, on that basis, do you want to remain a member?
If the answer is no, he can go to the EU and set out what alternate terms he wants, which can be clearly set out in the referendum campaign. If the EU won’t move, we do – out – and better off for it.
Soulutions,another lie, a referendum was held by Wilson not Heath it was a YES, YES, referendum and you needed to be a lawyer to understand what you were voting for,another L:iebour con trick.
I am 43, where is my vote, my say and my opinion?
I do not like or ever will accept, any form of governance that does not adhere to the democratically expressed will of the people.
As for your ridiculous comment that the people are too stupid to know what they want or what is best for them, it shows just what an arrogant odious little fascist you are and what a bunch of degenerate fascists ZaNuLabour are in reality.
Keep posting you are doing a fantastic job of destroying, what little credibility, this filthy ZaNuLab regime has left and what awful freedom hating hoons they all are.
I was born in 1969 in a FREE and INDEPENDENT country where ALL our laws were decided by the elected members of OUR sovereign Parliament.
Post Lisbon, I will be a living in a region of the EU whereby the laws effecting me were formulated in secret by 3,500 secret working groups, presented to the European Commission and then enacted by a majority of foreign presidents in the Council of Ministers.
The Parliament has a say, but NOT the power to enact EU wide laws.
The EU Parliament seems to be only satisfying itself with organising how the gravy train operates and pushing it’s nose into everyone’s business.
The laws under which I am expected to live to and comply with will NOT be Sovereign. I will be living in a defacto dictatorship under foreign rule.
I have NEVER been given any democratic say on this specific question, WHO GOVERNS MY COUNTRY AND SETS ITS LAWS, OUR PARLIAMENT OR A FOREIGN POWER?
Essentially, the nub of the issue is that without moving from the Town of my birth, I have gone from living in a free, independent democracy, to living under a foreign dictatorship with an unelected President AKA a dictator!
Mugabee has more democratic accountability than the EU President!
In fact Mugabee has more democratic accountability than Brown, come to think of it!
The EU is committed to bureacracy not democracy. Now fuck off you lying labour cock jockey
You are master baiter. I claim my £5 once you get it printed.
It’s all pretty simple really.
1. The Lisbon Treaty isn’t the same as the European Constitution, so we don’t need a vote on it.
2. The EU isn’t the same as the EEC, so we do need a vote on that.
FS is sprouting in a very typical Fabian fashion and in exactly the way these despicable benefit-fuelled traitors work.
Fabians, Marxists, Commies, Gramsci-entryists, fascists, failed student Socialists, scum, all most synonyms for McSnot and Bliar’s Nuliebour.
FS: The one good thing is that your little mantra will very soon be amended to: “The democratically rejected government…”. and that rejection will with luck, last unto the 10th generation.
And just to repeat what others have said:
the Constitution Treaty is identical, in all except name to the Lisbon Treaty.
DEMOCRACY ? Fabian: Your Masters don’t know the meaning of the word. Unelected, Unaccountable, Corrupt, Wasteful, Totalitarian and now PRESIDENT TONY BLAIR in the wings – APPOINTED !
Go back to Evening Classes, or emigrate. We don’t need you, we’ve got enough Traitors already, most of them in the House of Commons (and a few in the Lords).
The Obama administration is also concerned over the Tories’ Euroscepticism:
“There is growing unease in the White House that David Cameron’s Euroscepticism could undermine the ability of a Conservative government to influence events in the EU, threatening to weaken Britain in the eyes of the US. Clinton, while anxious not be seen to be interfering in a domestic election, has discussed the issue informally in Europe.”
Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/20/tories-eu-allies-us-pressure
And the White House has other concerns as well:
“Influential Jewish groups in the US urged Clinton to raise with Hague the Conservatives’ decision to enter a European parliament coalition with a Latvian party, some of whose members participate in an annual service commemorating Latvian units of Hitler’s Waffen-SS, and a Polish politician who has questioned the need to apologise for an anti-Jewish pogrom during the second world war.
“I think Churchill would turn in his grave. It is an insult to the tradition of this great party,” said George Schwab, president of the New York-based National Committee on American Foreign Policy and a Holocaust survivor from Latvia.”
You are just fearmongering Fabian.
Someone asked you earlier if you believe in the right of people to self determination via the ballot box.
You have yet to answer.
“You have yet to answer.”
He will not answer, just attempt to deflect, Fabians are notoriously dishonest about their true intentions and beliefs.
They still believe in hard core, extremist socialism / fascism as a “solution” to all problems, they have no shame or morals, they refuse to even admit they have been wrong since their inception and that the “solutions” they propose are going , as always, to kill and harm the most vunerable everywhere.
The Fabian Society is a cancer at the heart of all democracy, all forms of democracy incidently, that the Fabians despise, with a passion.
If Obama doesn’t like it then surely that’s a good thing.
“”Fabian_Solutions says:
October 27, 2009 at 11:53 am
If I understand your threats correctly can I warn you that strict preventative anti-terror measures are in place and the State is not afraid to use them”"
All dissent will be crushed, eh Fabian?
even the freedom fighters to restore democracy?
You really are a piece of work – Liberal Fascist is a title that could be written for you.
I used to see the left wing as the opposite side of the democratic spectrum to my views, beliefs and opinions.
Now I see the British left for what they are – totalitarian destroyers of individual rights and democracy.
GramscoFabiaNazi
I understand your concerns – but I honestly believe that Labour has done more than any government in history to support opportunity for all. We should be proud of our record, but we recognise that there is more to do to attack prejudice and make sure everyone can make the most of their talents and get a fair chance.
The Equality Bill represents a radical shift in our approach to fighting unfairness and breathes fresh life into our equality agenda. It forms part of the government’s longstanding commitment to ensure legislation catches up with the aspirations of those trapped by persistent disadvantage.
Labour has:
* Introduced the National Minimum Wage – two thirds of the beneficiaries are women and it has played a substantial part in narrowing the gender pay gap.
* Established the Commission for Equality and Human Rights (CEHR) to act as a strong, independent champion to tackle discrimination and promote equality.
* Strengthened the law to improve protection against disability discrimination in employment, and to improve access for disabled people to goods, services, facilities and premises.
* Widened and strengthened the Race Relations Act to include a positive duty on public bodies to promote good race relations and legislated for aggravated sentences for racially motivated crimes.
* Through the introduction of civil partnerships, Labour has for the first time given legal recognition to same-sex partners. Gay couples now have the same inheritance, pension and next-of-kin rights as married couples.
* Labour is the party of equality and diversity. We have the best record of any UK political party in terms of women’s representation. In Westminster we have 95 women MPs to the Tories’ 17 and the Lib Dems’ nine – more than three times the number of women MPs than the opposition put together. Labour has 13 Black and Asian MPs. The Tories have just two and the other parties have none.
Labour promises:
* We will defend and enhance human rights: ensure that our common sense human rights legislation is properly understood and applied; combat myths and misreporting of the Human Rights Act; and consider further steps including a British Bill of Rights and Duties and a written constitution.
* We will work through the Office for Disability Issues, established by Labour, to ensure cross Government action to achieve substantive equality for disabled people by 2025.
* We will empower black and ethnic minority women to build cohesion within their communities and as a bridge between communities by encouraging black and ethnic minority women to become councillors.
Labour is introducing the new Equality Bill, which will:
* Unify and simplify the nine major pieces of existing equalities legislation.
* Impose a new Equality Duty on public bodies covering race, disability and gender, as now, but will be extended to pregnancy and maternity, sexual orientation, gender re-assignment, age and religion or belief.
* Increase transparency in the workplace: the government will expect employers in the private sector with over 250 employees to report on their gender pay gap. The Government’s intention is to enforce this in 2013 if insufficient progress has been made. The bill also bans pay secrecy clauses.
* Contain powers to outlaw unjustifiable age discrimination in the provision of goods, facilities or services.
* Extend positive action in employment, political life and public appointments
Too long
Hello Hattie you rancid old prune.
You forgot to mention that Labour flooded the country with their open door policy of unfettered immigration.
He’s a tip for you, Labour are toast come next May.
The bore rule applies to your post.
£22,500 of debt for every child born in Britain
- 111 tax rises from a government that promised no tax rises at all
- The longest national tax code in the world
- 100,000 million pounds drained from British pension funds
- Gun crime up by 57%
- Violent crime up 70%
- The highest proportion of children living in workless households anywhere in Europe
- The number of pensioners living in poverty up by 100,000
- The lowest level of social mobility in the developed world
- The only G7 country with no growth this year
- One in six young people neither earning nor learning
- 5 million people on out-of –work benefits
- Missing the target of halving child poverty
- Cancer survival rates among the worst in Europe
- Hospital-acquired infections killing nearly three times as many people as are killed on the roads
- The police spending more time on paperwork than on the beat
- Foreign prisoners released and never deported
- 7 million people without an NHS dentist
- The 10p tax rate abolished
- Our gold reserves sold for a quarter of their worth
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Yes the Lisbon Treaty is different from the constitution. Let’s recount the differences.
1, It has a different name.
2, It has a different name.
3, Err…
You are not talking to a bunch of thick, labour-supporting benefit-dependents here. So why even bother with your spin and lies you tosspot?
You don’t want a referendum because you know you would lose. So you lied and betrayed the British people…again. Your comment about the masses not understanding the implications of the treaty says everything anyone should ever need to know about new Liebour.
You have been rumbled and soon lots of your councillors, MPs and advisers will be looking for new jobs. Good luck. I’m sure lots of employers will be queuing up to employ you – deceipt, hypocrisy, dishonesty and financial profligacy being essential in the job market nowadays.
Wow, I always wondered what white noise in written form looked like.
You are Derek Draper – therefore, you are a Hunt. Fuck off!
Labour has:
* Right royally fucked up this country
* Brainwashed you and many other morons into believing the shit that you are spouting
Labour Promises:
* Who cares they are all lying c’unts
Labour has:
This is the real list of the last twelve wasted years:
· £22,500 of debt for every child born in Britain
· 11 tax rises from a government that promised no tax rises at all
· The longest national tax code in the world
· 100,000 million pounds drained from British pension funds
· Gun crime up by 57%
· Violent crime up 70%
· The highest proportion of children living in workless households anywhere in
Europe
· The number of pensioners living in poverty up by 100,000
· The lowest level of social mobility in the developed world
· The only G7 country with no growth this year
· One in six young people neither earning nor learning
· 5 million people on out-of –work benefits
Hospital-acquired infections killing nearly three times as many people as are killed
on the roads
· Falling from 4th to 13th in the world competitiveness league
· Falling from 8th to 24th in the world education rankings in maths
· Falling from 7th to 17th in the rankings in literacy
· The police spending more time on paperwork than on the beat
· Fatal stabbings at an all-time high
· Prisoners released without serving their sentences
· Foreign prisoners released and never deported
· 7 million people without an NHS dentist
· Small business taxes going up
· Business taxes raised from among the lowest to among the highest in Europe
· Tax rises for working people set for after the election
· The 10p tax rate abolished
· And the ludicrous promise to have ended boom and bust
I could go on:
· Our gold reserves sold for a quarter of their worth
· Our armed forces overstretched and under-supplied
· Profitable post offices closed against their will
· One of the highest rates of family breakdown in Europe
· The ‘Golden Rule’ on borrowing abandoned when it didn’t fit
· Police inspectors in 10,Downing Street
· Dossiers that were dodgy
· Mandelson resigning the first time
· Mandelson resigning the second time
· Mandelson coming back for a third time
· Bad news buried
. Personal details lost
· An election bottled
· A referendum denied
Oh no -you are Gordon’s speechwriter -keep the £5.00. I’ll pay you £10 to go away.
Had to laugh though ‘Labour promises’ you missed the second half of the sentence ‘but fails to deliver’
‘Belief’ – this will presumably include every form of idiotic, murderous, superstition that has plagued mankind since we discovered fire and invented gods.
As I read once, the world would be a better place if there had been more mental hospitals and fewer temples between 1000BC and 1000AD.
you are Peter Mandelbum and I claim my £5!
‘The Obama administration is also concerned over the Tories’ Euroscepticism:’
“There is growing unease in the White House that David Cameron’s Euroscepticism could undermine the ability of a Conservative government to influence events in the EU, threatening to weaken Britain in the eyes of the US. Clinton, while anxious not be seen to be interfering in a domestic election, has discussed the issue informally in Europe.”
Unless you hadn’t noticed neither Obama nor Clinton were elected by the British people. So your thought process is this. Deny the British people a vote on Lisbon, very undemocratic, and then be dictated to by Obama and Clinton, very undemocratic.
So the thoughts and concerns of the British electorate are of no consequence, because people we never elected, know what’s best for us. Just about sums up tossers like you.
Faiter
Change the record
Fabian Dissolutions, you wank off to pictures of Tony Blair, don’t you…
He won’t be fiddling with himself much when they’re proscribed.
Is an “organic regional club” an Irish shillelagh?
It might as well be after the way the Irish were persuaded to see reason for thier EU masters
I’ve tried a little editing to see if it makes any more sense…
Time for all you believers in freedom to get a grip and face the reality of the modern world. As this excellent Labourlist article puts it:
“The future of our increasingly controlled world, with all its successes and failures, lies in your greater subjugation – whether on economic, environmental or security issues; the power of the EU (access to its market, trade agreements, and the aid it offers), will make the Europe more and more important to the globalists agenda.
If the UK wishes to play a role in those new world order affairs – in which economic and political influence are increasingly controlled in the EU – in order to influence the policy agenda that will affect our (the globalists) future success, then co-operation – and not traditional state sovereignty – must be the way forward. Unlike true conservatives, the Labour party recognises this and understands the important role the EU plays within the international community not only through its international economic control (international bankers), but through its increasing political influence.
Progress through politics, and ultimately in the way we lead our lives, depends on our ability to submit and subjugate ourselves. There are undoubtedly mechanisms in the EU which could work better. But by creating a small group which rejects any influence from the European Parliament, conservatives have weakened their position considerably, both at home and in terms of our international blackmail. President Obama, will find it very difficult to work with a Conservative Britain (because he is a socialist), sidelined with no influence and we will probably infer its because they are racists or still the nasty party.
Lisbon is the minimum that needs to be achieved if the EU is to be used as total control of Britain and beyond and develop further as our regional club. If Cameron does not face up to the realities of the modern world and its inter-dependency, he will find that the UK will no longer be at our table debating and influencing our key issues that concern your country.” Labour is our willing lapdog. (See Miliband , major and minor).
Clear now?
nikola tesla :
October 27, 2009 at 1:32 pm
You are just another brainless compliant believing all the crap they throw at you.
Social engineering is NOT progress – it is forced and evil. So stop kidding yourslef that all this is in the name of progress. Try learning what happened to that other monster state (the USSR) only 20 years ago.
Pillocks like you, with your selective memories are very dangerous people indeed.
Oh Dear Doris – they dont do irony down your way then.
You really are a fucking twat arent you?
Fabian – what is wrong with ‘little englanders’ as you call us? We are english and still have pride in our country unlike national destroyers and thick socialists like yourself.
What is happening is not evolution; it is not mankind moving forward – but more of a forced social engineering – which, incidentally is illegal under international law. Stop trying to explain the evil actions of labour and the EU by pretending that it is all in the name of progress. We are actually going backwards you numpty not forwards as you seem to think. In 1989 we watched as the wall came down and all the eastern block countries collapsed. They collapsed because of the people being tired of suppression, dictatorial govt. and central rule. You and the idiotic labour party refuse to see the irony in all this and are trying to enforce the same regime on us just 20 years later. Why do people like you refuse to learn from past mistakes? You are mad and totally deluded and no doubt wrapped up in your own self importance.
Well, let me tell you this; you may think using the name ‘fabian’ makes you intelligent but I think you are nothing more than a lonely sheep toeing the party line. What is more you are clearly brain dead as you refuse to see the destruction nulabour has caused to this once great country of ours. Blair and Brown are international laughing stocks and most people cannot believe what the british public have taken over the last 12 years from the incompetent and duplicitous labour party.
You need to take a good look at yourself Fabian because you are WRONG and are trying to lead us all into oblivion. If only Thatcher hadn’t closed the asylums in the 80s, we wouldn’t have to listen to the tripe you spew forth as no doubt you would have been locked up in a high security ward. People like you are evil.
You’ve swallowed the bull – hook line and sinker haven’t you. Everyone keeps saying we need to be engaged blah blah blah…. THEY NEED OUR MONEY, you fool! That’s all we’re one of the few net contributors, we’re needed to pay for all of the others that DON’T contribute.
Perhaps you should spend as many lines of drivvel informing us of some ACTUAL benefits of being “engaged”. If our stuff is good enough it’ll be bought, regardless of whether we’re in their club – or not.
Or do you think Slovakia and Latvia are going to be pumping in the billions?
Hear, hear anon. Well said. They just lie to us all the time – and fabian is one of them. They think we’re all stupid (like they are) but sadly for them, we are not. There are still plenty of independent thinkers left in england despite nulabour’s attempts to silence us.
Eu- dosent even acknowledge or recognise my national status- fucking fascists.
According to the EUrofucks, we cant have a referendum because the English people dont exist.
Come again?
How come we have an “ENGLAND” football team then?
Or the language we AND THEY speak across the world is erm…”ENGLISH”?
We have an “ENGLISH” dictionary…well fancy that!
We live in “ENGLAND”.
Like the rest of us here in ENGLAND we want our fucking say and we want to say: FUCK YOU EU!
And if we dont get our say theres going to be trouble, lots of it.
Trade with the EU yes, submit to the EU rule? NEVER!
REFERENDUM NOW!!!
What “leading role”? do we play, except stumping up £52 bn a year to satisfy the vanity of an unelected cabal of failed politicians? What influence” did we ever have over Europe? Please cite examples. What “important role” does the EU play within the international community? Please cite examples. Has there ever been pro-EU material printed which, like this one, wasn’t stuffed with dead language and fatuous, unsupported assertions? Please cite even one example.
Shove your ZaNuLab link back up your own rectrum, Troll. We are the majority in this country and you and all the rest of world socialist scum will lie dead and bloody in the gutter at our feet.
Apart from that, have a nice day Fucknuts.
Little Englanders? I live in Scotland.
If it wasn’t for this Nation of ShopKeepers you would speak german and not be able to lick the Kinnocks arses.
On second thought perhaps you do – Neil or Glenis?
Postle
I am all ears.
Andrew is that you?
Yes
Have you got a left ear, a right ear and a wild front ear like me?
Boom Boom!
Spit it out FFS!
Ratification or not, referendum is required.
What the rest of Europe does is of no concern to me.
I want out.
Oh me, oh my.
Fabian Solutions you are talking like a twat, The EU is a dictatorship with a huge gravy train, Ask the Kinnocks
Fabian Solutions writes like someone on the European gravy train.
Let’s wait and see. Dave ‘Boy Green’ Cameron knows he is going to lose votes to UKIP big time in some marginals. I fear he will start talking tougher on the EU to corral those UKIP votes then revert to the usual submissive stance once in what passes for power at Westminster.
Opinions are like arseholes – everyone has one, but you seem to be losing control of yours!
Number 6. – That is what Hestletine is saying
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6891343.ece#
fabian and his extremist eu superstate fantasists can deny us the vote.
but dont be too surprised regarding the armed insurgency that will arise from stealing other peoples countries without asking them via the ballot box.
fascist hoon.
Amen to that.
Enoughs enough, March on the house of troughers and turf them out.
They dont represent us they represent themselves.
REFERENDUM, NOW!!!
There will be a classic fudge. Dave will announce a referendum that cannot be binding (Lisbon done and dusted) but will claim that the result of this straw poll will give him a useful mandate to ‘negotiate’ more strongly with the EU on this/that/the other.
Giving us a chance to vent our spleen in the voting booth, however pointless, will in Dave’s estimation take some of the steam out of the issue, move on, bigger priorities, nothing to see here etc etc
Maybe, but if there was an enormous ‘no’ vote that would unleash the dogs, etc.
So, on balance, I don’t we will ever get a vote
Let’s vote the LIMP-Dems into power at the GE. THEY have PROMISED us a Referendum on whether we stay in or get out !
Now THAT’S what I call a Referendum !
You say ‘Lisbon is binding’? Why? No Uk government is bound by decisions made by previous governments.
If that is the case, why did Wilson give us a referendum in 1975 to, in effect, pull out of the Rome Treaty?
No one, absolutely no one seems to be able to answer that question.
The Obama administration is concerned about the Tories’ Euroscepticism:
“There is growing unease in the White House that David Cameron’s Euroscepticism could undermine the ability of a Conservative government to influence events in the EU, threatening to weaken Britain in the eyes of the US. Clinton, while anxious not be seen to be interfering in a domestic election, has discussed the issue informally in Europe.”
Source: http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/oct/20/tories-eu-allies-us-pressure
And the White House has other concerns as well:
“Influential Jewish groups in the US urged Clinton to raise with Hague the Conservatives’ decision to enter a European parliament coalition with a Latvian party, some of whose members participate in an annual service commemorating Latvian units of Hitler’s Waffen-SS, and a Polish politician who has questioned the need to apologise for an anti-Jewish pogrom during the second world war.
“I think Churchill would turn in his grave. It is an insult to the tradition of this great party,” said George Schwab, president of the New York-based National Committee on American Foreign Policy and a Holocaust survivor from Latvia.”
If this dick wants to invoke Churchill arguing in favour of turning over british sovereignty to the germans, then he can fuck off.
And you’ve got the brass balls to call others ‘troll’!
Foxtrot Oscar, Mastur Bator’s clone!
That’s below the belt.
So should you be.
This cock won’t suck itself.
Fuck ‘em.
If Obamegalomaniac, about whom I warned the US people consistently all last year, wants us in the EU, that’s a really good reason to leave as soon as it can be announced.
Churchill was an elitist, racist and eugenicist who made a few punchy speeches while the real heroes risked their lives. We need to get over our idol worship of this hugely overrated man.
He wasn’t all bad then ? !
Of course we can trust what a bunch of leftists say about the Tories cant we? No conflict of interest there then?
So you think we buy into a grauniad smear poison pen letter about what a group of democreeps might or might not think?
The whitehouse thinks does it comrade? when its not spreading smears and chucking its toys out of its collective pram about FOX news.
Funny that the gross smear about the Polish polititian keeps coming up isnt it comrade? Makes me wonder who is spreading the poisonous lies to whom and why!
The story about what groups are allied to what groups in the EU is old hat and based on the exact same smear’N'lies game so beloved of the democreep cabal, your turd sandwich of a post may go down well in grauniad land but here among real people you sound like what you are, a creepy slightly desperate whacko, come to think of it, you are Balls or Millibrain!
Well we’d better not annoy President Omaha and his administration. They might go all medieval on our asses.
You are Harman Pride and I claim my free wind-up toy.
No official comment from the Obama administration against the Tories’ Euro allies, just gossip from very pro-Milliband hacks in the leftie Guardian copied by trolls on to this blog. Nothing in the US press about it either. The Obama administration are too professional to insult the Czech and Polish governments, unlike Bananaman Milliband, a man so timid that he is scared of Gordon Brown.
Who gives a fxxx what either the Yanks or the EU think of us?
Our credentials for fighting for freedom in WW2 is far more impressive than the bunch of left wing traitors who sided with Stalin behind our backs both before during and after under various commie,trot,marxist guises.
Churchill has been turning in his grave ever since this police state mafia got it’s greasy paws on government,started trashing our constitution and is currently trying to sell us all down the river for a fxxking backhander.
So AIPAC are putting pressure on their puppets in the US administration to tell US what to do?
Who the fuck do they think they are? WE FUCKING CREATED ISRAEL! and what thanks did we get? TERRORIST BOMBINGS AND BRITISH DEAD!
Cameron should tell Clinton to tell AIPAC to fuck off!
Please allow me…
The (International globalists fronted by the) Obama administration is concerned about the Tories’ Euroscepticism:
“There is growing ease in (globalist circles speaking through) the White House that David Cameron could undermine the ability of a Conservative government to influence events in the EU, weakening Britain in the eyes of the world. Clinton, while anxious to be interfering in a domestic election, has discussed the issue informally in Europe and is said to be very happy.”
And the White House has other concerns as well:
“Influential Jewish groups in the US urged Clinton to raise with Hague the Conservatives’ decision to enter a European parliament coalition with a Latvian party as a pretext to claims of anti-semitism, should Cameron not follow our agenda. Some members participated in an annual service commemorating Latvian units of Hitler’s Waffen-SS, and a single Polish politician who has questioned the need to apologise for an anti-Jewish pogrom during the second world war.
“I think world renowned globalist Winston Churchill would turn in his grave. It is an insult to the tradition of this great project,” said George Schwab, president of the New York-based National Committee on American Foreign Policy and a Holocaust survivor from Latvia.”Time for all you believers in freedom to get a grip and face the reality of the modern world – its total control by a global elite.
Hows that?
The White House has “concerns”? Oh no! Oh dear! Oh whatever shall we do?
Burn it down again???
Piss on Obama and for you the splashings.
Your Saint/Hero is going down the pan, Red.
You and ZaNu will meet him down there.
Our future is with Europe not the US.
The sooner we join the Euro the better.
and suffer a 30% devaluation?
What is £ on the up again to reach only a 30% devaluation?
Rubbish.
The sad truth is that the Conservatives are on the wrong side of the argument when it comes to Europe.
They think it’s just a question of money; they can’t comprehend the long term geo political, demographic and cultural realties heading down the track towards us. Strangely, the US and our own Civil Service appear to have sussed it out years ago!
If he becomes President, Blair will take great pride in tying Cameron up in knots. Consequently, the talented Mr Hague may become even more of a threat to Dave than he already is!
If you want to fuck the Tories just keep Europe at the top of the agenda. It’s easy and it will only get easier!
Eileen, I have long given up on the Conservatives – I know they are just a different wing of the pro EU cabal of crooks that masquerade as the three main political entities in the UK.
And it is not a question of money – it is a question of the political elite riding roughshod over democracy for their own ends – not the ends of the country or the people.
Would you like me to drone on & on now with historical precedences for enforced superstate empires & their ultimate demise?
Regards
RRW (Mrs)
Hear hear!
Notes from a small island.
That’s you that is.
You can pay for it then ok?
Eileen. Go and have your hair done! Take your time. Have your nails done too while your at it ! Silly girl.
I don’t want out…All the millions of britons who benefited from investiments from the EU don’t want out, or wouldn’t want ou if they were aware of how much money has been invested from the EU in regions like mine, Sheffield.
What we need to do is simplify and free trade instead. OPEN, not CLOSE. Brittannia doesn’t rule the waves anymore, we need that cash!
Now would be good if eurocrats stopped fiddling in ethical and moral issues…
The song refers to an entreatment to rule the waves, not to a statement of fact.
“Brittannia doesn’t rule the waves anymore, we need that cash!”
Yeah, so why give OUR cash to the bloody EU?
Are you really dim enough to think that we get MORE out than we PAY in?
Britannia needs the cash? You’re right! So lets stop giving the EU so much of it from which we get a little bit back. England could indeed be a rich country without the EU (and Scotland, Wales & NI etc).
52 billion a year thrown down the EU crapper every single year… and they want even more.
REFERENDUM, NOW!!!
Ferdinand: It’s OUR bloody cash they’re giving us back, you twot.
The future of our increasingly globalised world, with all its successes and failures, lies in greater international cooperation – whether on economic, environmental or security issues; the smart power of the EU (access to its market, trade agreements, and the aid it offers), will make the Europe more and more important to the global economy.
Like so many lefties you confuse co-operation with political control. Very few if any conservatives would disagree with your above statement. We are all in favour of co-operating with Europe ‘on economic, environmental or security issues’. We just don’t want our laws made there.
I want my vote on lisburn and what pisses me off is the Ireland affair , what happen if at the Genral election we dont vote the right way ?
Lisburn?
It’s a place in Ireland and sounds like another place in Portugal – how annoyed was I when my sat nav took me to the wrong one. DOH!
In the end it will all come down to blood on the streets.
If the people don’t get what they want, are lied (as we are now) to, are decieved and badly (thieving MPs & Lords) represented by the scum we have now it is going to happen.
The sooner the better!!!
Damn right. You wouldn’t believe how many former squaddies are ready to go. Quite a few in the police forces would hand in their warrant cards at kick-off too.
I’m just off to compose a range card for Dartmouth St.
Make sure you get No 10 in the template on the left of arc! I assume you can use white phos on your range?
BBC – another view
http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2009/10/bridget-bullsh1t-corporation.html
Maybe they will utilise the Iraq enquiry to impeach the whole of the EU, not just Bliar
Your Guy News reporter is very pretty, but someone should tell her how to pronounce Guido.
She can pronounce Guido! You obviously can’t
David cameron is swimming against the tide of history, according to the Independent:
http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/mary-dejevsky/mary-dejevsky-britain-europe-and-a-history-of-lamentable-mistiming-1809961.html
“Even as the preponderance of our diplomatic and defence establishment is accepting Europe as the logical arena of Britain’s influence, we look set to vote into office a government more Eurosceptic than any since we joined the EU. At a time when Britain could have blended with the European mainstream, David Cameron is swimming against the tide of history, his only allies on the margins. The one consolation for Britain’s pro-Europeans must be that, before he takes on Brussels, Mr Cameron could be heading for a train-wreck on the Europe question here at home.”
Answer the questions above.
Do you believe in the right of free peoples to self determination via the ballot box or not, Fabian.
It is a simple question – though I suspect we now know the horrendous truth about the EUs & the lefts committment to democracy.
Of course I do – and the Fabian Society and the Labour Party have always been committed to freedom and democracy all over the world – that’s why we went to war in Iraq after all. The EU is democratic – the MEPs are elected, and Commissioners are chosen by the national governments.
No, we went to war in Iraq because the British PM stood up in our beloved Westminster Parliament & stated that we were in “danger of attack from WMDs within 45 minutes”.
Thats why with Labour at the helm we went in and killed 2 million Iraqi civilans.
Are you re-writing history again fabian?
Actually the figure of deaths was closer to 800,000. And most of those were killed by insurgents, not by our own forces. Get your facts right you ignoramus.
Of course any death is tragic. However, with Saddam and his sons gone Iraq is undoubtebly a safer place.
Would the deaths caused by insurgents have happened if the war hadn’t taken place?
Saddam executed many, but not that many.
The MEPs then form a useless (and expensive) talking-shop, while the unelected (and equally expensive) Commissioners make all the decisions.
Funny sort of democracy. And I don’t mean funny ha-ha.
WMDs and 45mins was the “reason” we invaded Iraq. What’s the pouint of spreading freedom around the world when Our Own is being eroded so cocks like you can sit in an air-conditioned office lording it over graphs and charts monitoring our “production” and “well-being”… Sooner we bring back hanging, the better.
If we did bring back hanging, the EU would have to expel us. Job done
Well, if we went to war for ‘freedom and democracy’, I’d like to see Tony Blair and the entire then cabinet in front of a tribunal in The Hague for a war crimes trial.
Because, if I remember, we went to war because of the immediate danger he posed militarily to the UK. Or did I mishear him again?
Enough of the lies and rewriting of history FS. I even heard on QT last week that we went to war against the Nazi’s becasue of their ‘racism’. The last time I heard we declared war on Germany because they invaded Poland. Or was I taught nonsense?
But the Commissioners make the laws,not the elected MPs. That is neither freedom nor democracy. The electorate have no direct vote for commissioners,or the EU presidency. That’s a grubby deal behind closed doors,which I am sure you find detestable as it’s neither free nor democratic.
Obviously if freedom is worth 800,000 lives in Iraq,you would surely man the barricades over this wouldn’t you?
Do tell
If you call the EU Democratic just one more time……!
If you want a vision of the EU’s future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face – forever.
That line is from William Hague talking to ‘The Austrailian’
Wninston? Get in here yer dinner’s ready. Good dog.
I was told at University never to attempt to prove an argument by quotation. Quoting the Independent is a perfect example of using a substandard source as well.
I have a couple of points worth digesting, seeing as you refer to readers of this blog as Little Englanders.
Firstly if your country had been invaded by the Soviet Union, as the Baltic States were, would you not see the Germans as liberators, given their history with the Hanseatic League?
Secondly, and I suppose I answer my first point with it, is if the Tories are allied with a party some of whose members commemorate the Latvian SS, is this worse than having members of a British Government who have been card carrying members of the Communist Party, whose excesses in death dealing overshadow the Holocaust?
You show no understanding, as I doubt you have ever served in the Armed Forces, that remembrance is a key part of any ex-serviceman’s life, whether former members of the SS, Red Army, Japanese Imperial Army or any other defeated oppressor.
I write from eastern Europe where I have been almost exclusively for over ten years. The tide of history out here is not flowing the way you seem to think it is and already the EU is seen by those whose democratic sensibilities have only had a chance to grow since 1989 as the fire in to which they have jumped from the Soviet frying pan.
You have much to learn.
a fine unbiased journal – good choice. Shows your argument for what it is.
If I may…
“Even as the total subjugation and defeat of our diplomatic and defence establishment prepares to kow-tow before Europe as the logical conclusion to all this treachery and deceipt, we look set to vote into office a government more Eurosceptic than any since we signed the Maastricht Treaty. At a time when Britain could have been completely subsumed forever into our European Socialist Superstate, David Cameron is attempting to give the impression that he is swimming against this tide of history. His only allies will be marginilised (if he wants our patronage). The one consolation for Britain’s pro-Europeans must be that, should he actually take on Brussels, Mr Cameron will be train-wrecked on the Europe question at home, because Europe owns both parties.”
Hows that for clarity!
Why worry what Obama thinks or Clinton from what I read Obama’s on a par with Brown and many Americans are starting to realise what a chump he is,so he’ll be a one term wonder.
Labour governments let Washington and Brussels decide our foreign policy.
Conservative governments let our foreign policy be shaped in our interest.
Great Conservative governments turn US foreign policy to our interest e.g. Churchill getting the US in the war and Thatcher getting them to put the screws on the Communists.
F U, EU.
I really must have another good shit to clear my head of some more Bliarist claptrap.
Until then, – I really think Tony has done so very well – don’t you?
So the Fabian society believes in openness and democracy. So why won’t they tell us where every penny of their funding comes from and the full details of every person in their organisation and connected with their organisation, then we can tell if they are biased or not? Or is just another liebour party website.
I look forward to a very full and detailed reply to all my questions. Thank you.
It is just a toadying lickspittle propaganda vessel – the Fabians will never tell us who really runs it and funds it – the truth in the open would destroy them I am sure.
Good luck with the wait i say.
Youve got more chance of shagging the pope.
Whatever it is it will definitely not involve letting the matter rest. Oh no.
“I won’t. Let matters rest. There.
You wont? What matters?
God, Yasmin Alibhai Brown is such a screaming retard. At least Brillo has covered the immigration scandal though.
The Austrailian ex Prime Minister didn’t seem to accept that Yasmin knows better than he does regarding the immigration policy that his party introduced. She’s certainly got a cheek! Canada can breath a sigh of relief – she approves of their legislation.
I’m sure she does. The thought police in Canada are probably even more fascist than in the UK, and that is saying something.
I wonder what odds William Hill or Ladbrokes will give me if I bet there will be no referendum whatsoever?
Ampers
Dire news conference from Cameron.
Stand up and tell the British people you’ll have a referendum on membership of the EU, you spineless drip.
The choice:
Withdrawal…or full integration under Lisbon and anything else which develops from that.
Why can’t the Leader of Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition give a straight answer to a straight question?
‘cos he’s bent?
‘Cos if he did, the scumbags on the opposite side of the House would twist his words, pervert his meaning and try to smear him.
IMPORTANT ****
Here we go again, checkout this story:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23761212-blairs-think-tank-airbrushed-link-between-crime-and-immigrants.do
This time they say they have drafts of the original.
Action this day!
It amounts to this then, there is a report which might be seized on by extreme right wing eejyots and could destabilise some ares of society and become an (another) issue to immigrants.
Big fucking deal. A none story.
Let’s get back to attacking Bruin on something that will stick.
You pander if you want to. There’s treachery afoot.
A lot of ZaNu shite on the blog today. The post strike must have mislaid their giros.
I love how it’s Damien Green making the running again… he’s the business.
I hope the EU Council takes note of how their new president in waiting sexes up or sexes down reports to suit himself.
But they wont because thats a prerequiste attribute for the post of ” Supreme Bastard of Europe and the World”.
There’s no troof in the idea that moosos stone b enders. No – they just luv ‘em to bits.
Anyway, me ‘n the missus dun OK out of pol’tics. Why stop now?
I just wanna thank ol’ Jonny Major and his crap Tory gummunt for making it possible for me to be PM in the first place.
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Unt I vish to tank zee vools fur meinen BathenPlugenHolenFiller mit zer vibrating beads in zee top. It is very comforting in der quiet hours.
Dave will be very cross, his mincing gang of new social democrats will purse their lips hands on hips and exclaim ‘oh my word!’ and when that massive demonstration of mighty and awsome new social democrat power has been displayed…they will meekly do exactly what president Bliar tells them to do via his ugly reptile enforcer Barosso.
Of course the new social democrats will whimper and whine like rug rats with a full nappy but at the end of the day they will buckle under and toe the EU line.
And don’t forget he’s got the Wicked Witch to help him !
Once she sits astride that bloody broomstick, there’ll be no stopping her !
He coulld fight them on the beaches….
We should not expect Dave to do anything radical, he’s not that kind of politician.
We have allowed our democratic rights to be delegated to an elective dictatorship. Once a party is elected it does what it wants to do, regardless of the majority opinion – hence the unstated strategy on immigration, and the failure to hold a promised referendum.
Parliament is a supine body inhabited by party placemen who rarely rebel against their party line. They cannot be relied upon to protect our democracy;as has been revealed by the expenses brouhaha, they are mainly concerned with feathering their own nests with down.
To ensure that the government is truly accountable to the people, we need the right to demand a referendum on issues where a sufficient percentage of the population feels aggrieved. Such a constitutional right would have safeguarded our rights to have a Lisbon referendum or to overturn government policy where it lacks majority support.
‘The time is coming close to saying what we’ll do’?
Should’ve been saying what they would do for months now rather than the pathetic ‘we’ll not let matters rest’.
If the answer is a referendum after Lisbon is ratified (ergo it will not have any effect) it will be another low point of British politics by pointlessly going through the motions rather than responding to the circumstances in hand, which imo ought to dictate a double or squits referendum on all in (and spending Euros) or bugger off out and have a free trade set up like Norway.
The only real question is in or out. Euroscepticism is such a wishy washy position to hold. It’s like agnosticism, you either believe in god or don’t. People are just fooling themselves by hedging their bets.
Get off the bloomin fence. The EU train is full steam ahead toward a superstate and no one nation can do anything to derail it, so either welcome our new European overlords or say you want out of the whole shebang.
Euroscepticism is such an old-fashioned word.
Let’s use EUROHATER ! Much better !
Losers!
I couldn’t read all the fabian posts, I fucking wet myself laughing.
There is no way they are independant posts, nobody in their right mind would come up with such a load of fucking trash, not unless they have Alis*er Camp*bells finger up their arse.
This world is too complex for you fabian, get back on your knees, and make a living doing what you do best, your making master baiter appear lucid
Reading his/her posts are like watching a Neil Kinnock speech. Chock full of words but completely empty of any meaning.
I chuckled that Fabian thinks MPs bothered to read the Lisbon Treaty, or understood even a fraction of it. His brain is fixed and full of the words of his masters, a classic (e)utopian android
Fabians taken his daily compulsory shot of Prosium i see.
The bastard is a minimum wage troll.
He writes what McBride tells him to.
Final solutions and their Chatham House rules, have had their end game exposed.
Referendum on staying or leaving. Let the electorate decide
OOOOOOOOOOOOO. We cant be having that!
Whatever next? Democracy?
Europe would be fine if it was fully democratic and fully accountable to the electorate for its actions.
It isn’t.
It is a totalitarian and oppressive superstate in the making and the USA is extremely naive and foolish not to recognise it. The Czechs recognise this; they have had plenty of experience with totalitarianism.
As for Blair for President; we know he is an accomplished actor and a liar and his warmongering has cost the lives of tens of thousands of people.
I would think more of his conversion to catholicism if he gave his millions to charity and lived a humble life doing what he can for humanity; (and yes, it would be possible to combine that with the European Presidency).
Blair as President and the EU continuing to develop in its present form are both dangerous to world peace and to the future of Europe. If it happens, some of us will live to regret it, many won’t.
De-interlace your video for the love of all that’s guido … aaaa gg hh
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deinterlacing
http://www.100fps.com/
Stop Tony being made EU preident, stop NuLab using taxpayers money to get him elected
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/notoBlair/#detail
No, Kommando: I WANT High Lord Admiral BLAIR APPOINTED as President.
With his track record, he could bring the whole monstrous edifice down, with him !
fabian should understand that if he wants to be spoon fed by a nottinghill gob shite and make such stupid posts to the opinioned who make comments on this blog then he is on a loser.
If he ever stopped to think before gobbling up their tat, he would understand that by being taken in by all the lies they peddle, they are using him and it leaves fabian open to cheap shots from people like me. There are hundreds of thousands of souls ghosting the street of Iraq that would give him more than a cheap shot, if people like him never bought their fucking tat they would never have been in business
Cameroon says:-
“When rape is inevitable, lie back and enjoy it”
Rape is inevitable; IF you lie back and enjoy it.
FABULOUS DELUSIONS:
Your memory is very short indeed, you have resorted to con-Fab-ulation (geddit?), and are succeeding only in deceiving yourself.
“Our democratically elected Government has made its decision of behalf of the people. That’s what they were elected for.”(Fabian “Solutions”).
Utter rubbish. Prior to the last general election, Labour promised the British people a referendum on the EU Constitution. THAT is what Labour was elected for.
Labour has signally reneged on that promise, presumably because it considered that to give the voters what they wanted would constitute some kind of “loss” for the Labour Party. Lofty principles indeed…
OUR GOVERNMENT IS NOT DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED:
We have a Prime Minister with the electoral backing of 20,000 Scots in Fife and no-one else in the country (not even in the Labour party) has voted for him ever, for anything. GORDON BROWN HAS NO MANDATE, AND THERE IS NO PROSPECT OF HIM EVER HAVING ONE. THAT IS NOT DEMOCRACY.
Brown’s Cabinet is stuffed full of Labour cronies from the House of Lords, for whom no-one has ever voted. This is democracy only as one might find it defined in an up-to-date Congolese dictionary.
“The EU is committed to democracy.”(Fabian “Solutions”).
Codswallop! Democracy is concerned with empowering the people. The EU is run by self-serving, vastly overpaid, and arbitrarily-appointed “Commissioners”. These people have never been elected and are accountable to no-one but themselves. Their existence is based on their denial of power to other people, ergo THE EU IS COMMITTED TO FRUSTRATING DEMOCRACY.
“We promised a referendum on the Constitution Treaty, which is different from the Lisbon Treaty.”(Fabian “Solutions”).
Come again? Who exactly is ‘we’? You give yourself away sometimes. This is how people talk about their soccer teams. Do you depend on this type of political hooliganism to form all your opinions?
LISBON TREATY = CONSTITUTION: Don’t take my word for it, ask someone who knows, for example someone who drafted it: Former French President Valery Giscard d’Estaing says the content the EU Reform Treaty does not differ from the failed EU Constitution
It is the staggering denial of people like you that has turned Labour into the pitiful and bedraggled shambles it has now become…
This was always going to end in civil war. They boys have known this all along. That is why conrol of the police is so important to them. (SOCA) (VOSA)
( Border Agency). A lot of tasks formally proformed by the Police are now carried out by Agencies as part of the power transferance to the Reich Lite. EU.