Campbell Reminisces About Past Polls
On his blog Bad Al Campbell argues that Dave hasn’t sealed the deal with the electorate thus; “December 5, 1996, Gallup poll. Labour 59. Tories 22. Now that’s what I call a lead. And they’re nowhere near it, because they have not sealed the deal, because they’re not serious on policy, because they haven’t changed much, and because a lot of people don’t really like them.”
Bad Al is really grasping with this line of spin. Labour are 19% behind in the polls; suggesting that if people don’t really like the Tories, they must despise Labour. The voters have come to a settled view of Gordon – that he is a useless weirdo. You can’t spin your way out of that…
or that this is the most corrupt government in living memory
Surely quoting a poll from which the party behind could not and did not come back from is rather self-defeating?
So Al Campbell is back, Mandelson is back, all we need now is Tony to come back and it’ll be just like old times.
Where an outgoing government gets given a good kicking at the General Election.
Labour Party=Corruption Central. The original founders of the Labour Movement would turn in their graves if they knew how their high ideals & hope for the betterment of all had been spat on & abused by the current bunch of thieves, liars & wife beating perverts that hide behind the label of ‘Labour’.
If we could trap the energy from the Labour founders spinning in their graves we could solve Global Warming.
Labour are 19% behind in the polls
wheras the Tories were 37% behind at that point
it hardly points to a Labour win but it certainly indicates the wild talk about a 97 style Conservative landslide are very wide of the mark
this will be closer than many people think
Cameron is not a man who ignores polls or doesn’t understand what they mean
and then there is John Prescot, surely this man above all others represents the traditional values of the Labour Party….as long as you ignore the troughing and the shagging of staff .
oh fuck are you saying the tories will only “beat” Labour in the election as opposed “really” beat them, !!! Well if your right Im sure Gordon Brown will sleep soundly tonight.
Labour’s policy of creating 52% of new jobs by massive public sector expansion is the only thing stopping that margin getting to 1997 proportions and keeping them in the game. Even Major didn’t fuck things up as much as Gordon.
And if the Liberals had more balls, especially about Iraq, they would have decimated the Muslim labour vote.
I wonder what polls would look like for those not employed by the state?
Hope Cameron remembers how the public sector voted when it is time roll back the state AGAIN!
Hopefully, once he has our votes, Cameron will pull off his boring mask and reveal himself to be The Thatch II.
Tony’s a bit busy making millions off dumb Arab Tyrants.
http://londonmuslims.blogspot.com/2009/10/blair-makes-millions-from-war-contracts.html
That’s ‘our Tone’ for you….
I am amazed they give that murdering bastard the time of day.
How many civilians did we kill during ‘Shock and Awe’?
And how many more died during the resulting lawlessness?
Please put that grinning tyrant in the dock at The Hague, alongside Dubya, and Chaney.
If Sarko manages to screw up Teflon’s chances as president of the Fourth Reich (EU), maybe the men in flat caps will decide to ditch the Great Slug and get Teflon Tone back onboard. It’s the only possible way that they will get a sniff of a chance at the next election.
Hang on, isn’t there a video of Gideon Osborne lurking somewhere?
You need a stronger bit this is not a corrupt government at all.
maybe not in comparison to corrupt governments worldwide, but British governments. No doubt in my mind. This blog lists the corruption endlessly.
Corrupt in what way? Still puzzling this out.
Please explain why you think this government is NOT corrupt. You seem to be swimming against the flow waverer.
personal gain innit
Calling labour corrupt is absurd, the Tories were by far the biggest losers in the expenses scandal and browns response was far tougher than daves pathetic effort.
The Tory party will be losing sleep over the thought of cambell returning to the fold. Him and brown are election gurus
Campbell is a porno writing liar.
Anonymous please elucidate..browns response was far stonger….yeah that bit…
“Tory” waverer are you wavering between giving Alistair Campbell a hand job and Giving Tony Blair a blow job or what….fuck off troll !!!!
Corrupt and delusional
Alaister Campbell knows the sinking ship of Labour is going down but he’s energetically doing everything he can to try and slow down its inevitable plunge to the bottom of the ocean. He’s like a guy sprinting with a rusty bucket around the Titanic after it hit the ice-berg, bailing out water.
shurely shom mistake, “Deckchairs” .
For what Campbell did, in hounding an eminent scientist to death and Brown for the appalling situation he has put this country into, May they both rot in hell – the sooner the better.
Don’t forget Anthony FitzBliar and slotgob.
This is today’s puzzle_ Why is he called Fitzblair?
Because he comes from illegitimate stock I think!
‘cos he’s a bastard.
Anthony Charles Lynton FitzBlair,Yes that is about it. If his thespian Grandparents had considered abortion instead of giving his Father away we may have never had to suffer at the hands of Tony Fitzbliar. This man was at the helm of HMS Great Britain for ten years of NuLiebour, steering us into ultimate destruction. The meltdown perpetrated by this man during his term of office did more damage than that inflicted on Great Britain by Adolf Hitler. Tony Fitzbliar should never be allowed to get his hands anywhere near the reins of power in any worldwide economy,he and his grabbing wife also from thespian stock are the biggest self serving troughers in the world.
Be warned if you don’t already know THIS MAN IS DANGEROUS.
RobC – you’re not wrong. Bliar and his creepy, Machiavellian fixer are truly the scum of the political scene. Dr Kelly was a decent, quiet, eminent scientist whose death, if we had anyone in London fit to work in Woodward and Bernstein’s shadow, would have been proven to be a damn sight more complex than mere ‘suicide.’
Whatever his motives are for saying what he said, he is right non the less.
The deal has not been sealed for the tories. Mind you, offering a Referendum would be the seal. Will he wont he? I will take it that he wont.
Bad Al Campbell only quotes those old opinion polls because of his own personal ego trip. Ive got news for you Al – you cant control the internet
The one thing he wont discuss is how opinion polling methodology has matured dramatically over the past 10 years and there would be no way you’d have had such a disparity as a 59 point lead if measured by todays standards
He has to try, I suppose.
you’d just think they would give it up as a bad job, surely?
Still as deluded as ever…
The funny thing about the moribundity of the Labour Govt (and perhaps even the Labour Party itself) is that, rather then thanking God to have got out when they did (e.g. Blair) there are huge rats (Campbell, Mandelson) actually willing to exchange far better opportunities for a one-way passage to oblivion on the SS NuLab.
Funnier yet, rather than then doing something definitive to improve their (wafer slim) chances, they take the suicidal option and lock their biggest liability (Brown) firmly into the bridge, thereby guaranteeing the loss of all souls. (At least he will take the blame that he deserves, I suppose).
People will get bored of them whining about the BΝP soon enough.
Brown is not going to be able hide forever from answering questions on:
- the worst recession on record
- the worst public finances ever
- three million unemployed
- destructive effect of zero political leadership on defence policy
- selling the whole fucking deal to Brussels
I’m sorry Alistair, but it’s going to take more than re-publishing a twelve-year-old and phoney opinion poll to get anyone to like Gordon, you dumb shit.
SS NuLabour?
Don’t you mean
SS obersturmfuerher Campbell?
Von Campell, Iron Cross, First Class?
With oak leaves.
Add to that:
- Allowing uncontrolled immigration, not for economic reasons, but as a means of social engineering and cynical political one-upmanship.
Christnas decorations banned in public offices-remember?
And Nativity plays… and ‘Season’s Greetings’… and nurses sacked for wearing crosses… children arrested for racial discrimination…
dont you mean about 6 million not working not the spin of 3 million unemplyed
But Labour has “created three million jobs”!
A large number of these were in the public sector, so we all get to pay their wages and it doesn’t matter a jot whether we think they’re doing anything useful.
Also, the majority of these jobs went to economic migrants.
In my opinion, that’s two very good reasons to deduct three million from the true total, until after the next election.
so 3 million unemployed.
+ 3 million non jobs
+ 3 million on useless degrees and “incapacity” benefit.
+ a huge debt to service.
This recession wont end will it?
It does rather beg the question, “How many of us are there left actually to pay tax?”.
Your pension is screwed…
Someone has to be a waste recycling co-ordinator
Time for some more therapy Alistair?
Perhaps Derek can help you find a way out of this self-created delusion
Try a bottle or 2 of Jack Daniels.
Try a caption competition! Come on Guido, cheer us up. Where is it? Have I missed it?
Was away – had a very busy week – missed PMQs and Cap Comp.
If it was that busy Guido, best you have a liver function test !!!
Look on the bright side. There was no cartoon either.
I heard John Humphries on the Toady programe this morning asking George Osborne questions and then shouting over him with another one as soon as he began to give an answer. Is this his usual technique?
Also I read he has a new romance on the go with a younger woman. Was it not that long ago he fathered a child to someone else.
If this his usual technique as well ?
His last bit of fluff was quite a bit younger than him. I seem to remember him getting congratulated for becoming a dad when he should be a grandad.
Blimey Phil! That saying about good tunes and old fiddles is true then?
Humphries must be the wrong side of 60 already.
1. Yes.
2. Don’t know, and don’t care.
Sorry I do care, I think its all about character dont you think !
People like Humphrys are useless as interviewers because they turn every interview into a pissing contest. While it could be slightly interesting to find out who can wet higher up the wall, it means that you find out nothing about the interviewee’s thoughts. The utlimate product of this approach is the kind of moronic repetition of set phrases that we hear from the Prime Minister.
Is it the same Mr Humphrys?
Humpty and Numpty are well known for being Labour luvvies.
What has this to do with George Osborne being very poor on the programme,he needs to learn how to answer questions. He seemed to know very little. Help!
Long time away, Guido. Hangover from hell, was it?
Could have been worse, we were worried you had done a Dr Kelly and strayed off piste.
I think the phrase is . . .
PEOPLE FUCKING HATE THE FUCKING LABOUR PARTY BASTARDS AND ALL THEIR FUCKING CORRUPT POLICIES AND ALL THEIR FUCKING CORRUPT BANKER FRIENDS
I hope that helps to clarify matters.
Can I stroke your pussy?
I don’t hate anyone, hate wastes energy and produces a miserable society. We are all in this together son.
In yer face, sunshine, I’ve just nicked yer flock.
Sorry to break the news to you but your congregation have booked a one-way ticket to Rome.
PS How is Beardie? Still single-handledly dismantling Anglicanism?
PPS There is still an old bat in the vestry…
Hate is probably the best motivator there is. Ask Jesus.
Hatred or loathing for slime like Campbell and Mandelbum isn’t strong enough. We need a new adjective, please.
We bankers are only friends with Tories do keep up.
Tory waverer=NuLab Troll shite
No No No wrong call man.
!Wrong call, ‘man’??”
Aha! Ageing hippy Labour troll!
Are you free?
THat’s 4 fucking and 1 each forLabour,banker,corrupt & policies,Got your point!
Only counting the words posted mr Moderator
No, still empty…….nothing found in either……
Being a politician must be like being a banker – you don’t have to solve problems you just have to be in the job.
It’s worse than that is it not? The politician makes the problem in the first place then tries to solve it according to their own ideology, thus creating tension and disharmony. No wonder people become disillusioned.
You could be right Chompers, except for the use of the words’..politician…tries to solve…’ , in the same comment.
None of them try to solve anything
good point. What I meant was that when they create a problem they then go on to take measures to address them.
An example (and there are many) was the McPherson enquiry into the Met Police post Lawrence. Labour insisted, according to their political agenda, that the police were racist. McPherson came out with the term institutional racist. The commissioner then admitted his force was…wtf…. nice for him to talk about what was in the minds of 25,000 people he employed!!
Labour, now in power, had to be seen to do something about this genie they had released and as we all know they unleashed a power that they could not control. There you have it, they wanted to control the police and chose an issue that they deemed to be a weak spot and turned the political screw but ultimately the PC brigade overtook even Labour’s ability to control the beast.
What a mess.
“Institutional racist” is the Marxist version of racism (used at the BBC see Jo “only white people can be racist”), not the one we (and Martin Luther King) use.
It was a terrible sign of Gramsci infestation. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antonio_Gramsci
They usually come up with “Solutions” looking for “problems” which arnt there in the first place ir ID cards etc etc et fucking cetra
Isn’t that what David Icke has been on about; problem, reaction, solution, to fit their agenda?
No, Icke is on about giant Lizard men from outer space taking over the world.
The B’n'P aren’t going to get a real foothold in British Politics with Griffin at the helm. He’s a total bumpkin, carries too much past nazi baggage that his critics can point to and he isn’t at all comfortable in front of a TV camera. Griffin is a Gordon Brown figure of ridicule at a time when they need a slick Tony Blair.
Nope….still nothing there…..
wait…..
Demon Eyes
You wish!
Name one Lib/Lab/Con/UKIP hollow vessel that could have withstood the inquisition to which Nick Griffin was subjected on Question Time.
That Nick Griffin tells the truth, you need look no further than at the current revelations about Labour’s true intentions on immigration.
Griffin is right to expose New Labour’s total incompetence over immigration but that doesn’t excuse that fact that he’s a bit of a political lightweight.
Yes, a real lightweight who turned around his Party without a penny of taxpayers’ money; fought off the corrupt Establishment’s massive programme to destroy that Party; and has been exposing the unprecedented treachery in the Mother of Parliaments for years.
Don’t really want B&P to gain a foothold, they can keep Griffin
At least immigration and population size may now be discussed, Griffin has done me a favour, and maybe telegraph piece today will widen the discussion
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html
The news that mass immigration is deliberate Government policy will not widen the discussion significantly, in my opinion. People will be too afraid of being called, yawn; Toy-Town-Nazi/Odious B&P scum/Loathsome racists……etc.etc.(the Left can be so hurtful). Our ancestors would disown us.
There are worse things you could be called. Tory for example.
Are you really suggesting that nobody in Parliament except the marxist scum knew what was going on?
There’s none so blind as them that will not see; particularly if they are all party to the same deception.
Fawkes talks of co-conspirators here. It’s Parliament that deserves that name.
I think we all knew what was going on, i.e. Gerrymandering. The surprising thing is that it has been publicly admitted.
Here Here
Quite so, but remember leaders have a habit of changing. Hitler did not start the German Nazi Party, Hitler subverted it. Can you imagine what the BNP could ‘achieve’ if it had a leader as dishonestly clever as Blair? Myself for example.
For you can be absolutely certain that the owners and controllers of the International Banking System will support any type of politician that intends to pay the perfectly enormous loans with gold, ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. They have done so in the past, continue to do so today, and will undoubtedly do so again in the future.
The owners of The International Banking System worked out many years ago that lending big to national governments to fight wars, or to terminally corrupt their own people, was almost infinitely less risky and potentially far more profitable/empowering then lending relatively tiny amounts to individuals, small or medium sized business.
The BNP have much in common with all other British Fascist Organisations, such as The Lib/Dem, New Labour, Green, UKI, and Conservative Party’s. Which is that they all are all being indirectly financed and therefore self-evidently been subverted by ultimately exactly the same very small group of people.
I know few people on here read the Grauniad, but be selective and you find some gems. Steve Bell I love you!
Today there is quite a thoughtful piece by Ian Jack saying that Nick Griffin’s views are not really like those of the Nazis, but like those of many Brits a generation ago. He is more correctly thought of as very old fashioned in his prejudices, which are mostly not understood by a younger generation. Jack quotes Churchill’s views of Indians and wonders what his reaction might be to Tata’s take over of Jaguar Land Rover.
At the risk of being modded for self indulgent reminicence, I can say that he is correct according to my own experience. Large numbers of otherwise perfectly decent neighbours were scandalized (mostly I think for reasons of unfamiliarity) when the only girl in our street to have been to university ‘married a darkie’: never mind that he was an Indian consultant physician, with whom she had studied, and who would be responsible for their overall care should they be carted into hospital seriously ill. And, by the bye, girls who went to university were ‘odd’ or ‘weird’ anyway. (The word blue-stocking was not known locally, but the idea was the same.) Nick Griffin’s views would be generally understood better then than now… though exceptions certainly exist, and on this website too.
Ah, memories.
Just on a technical note, as Mike Smithson might point out, most polls have changed their methodology to reduce the Labour bias, so he is not making a true comparison. Now there’s a first. not.
Good god, campbell a stinking lieing new liebor piece of shite. I’m shocked.
Having said that he calls it spinning I believe.
Useless weirdo you are going toooooooooooooooooooo kind
I am NOT a BMP supporter but after the farce of question time i am surprised that no one had a go at Jack straw………….the BNP are only following NEW LIEBOUR tactics
The voters wont vote for us so we have to put on a more electable suit of clothes
THEN once in power its back to the core skill set of being FUCKING USELESS in Government and leaving the country in deep SH$T for the next government to sort out
Sadly we gave them too long in power this time – how they hoodwinked the voters into believing these hopeless self interested lying thieving bastards eludes any rational thinking
The damage they have done this time will last for generations.
Espespecialy if Michael Gove writes the historical proof that labour are fundamentaly flawed into national corriculum,
He does have a SLIGHT point though, that if the genius of Alistair Campbell were brought back TOMORROW he could start to ‘Malcolm Tucker’ his way around Number 10, throw Gordon under the train, work with Mandy to impose a ‘unity candidate’ [If you don't unite behind DavEd MiliJohnson, Your career will die like David Kelly..] have him/her in place before Parliament comes back after Christmas and go hell-for-leather against the Tories in the dirtiest, sleaziest, nastiest bout of ‘kitchen sink’ negative campaigning ever seen in Britain, then he might, just might, be able to deprive Cameron of an ‘overall majority’..
And if Campbell and Mandy were able to force Cameron into the arms of Nick Clegg, they would regard that as a victory be screwing the chances of a Tory ’3-term’ Government before Labour had a sniff of power again..
Maybe Mandy will be watching the new series of The Thick of It and start wondering…
Don’t tempt me. Just chase me, chase me.
Guido, get everybody to pop over to politicalbetting,com and then do a little digging. They will then see that the polls that good old Al is talking about had a percentage setting failure resulting in vastly overstated Labour leads. The lead of the time was more nearly 10%. The figure Dave is easily supassing at present.
Not least because the way polls are measured now is completely different. Until the advent of Yougov the Labour position has always been vastly overstated. Labour got 43% in the 1997 election, the Tories 31%.
O happy day that was ,remember the joy when Portillo went, The People’s Flag etc-
Hi student grant…thanks to you we have to endure the pompous git on TV droning on….
There will soon be a wave of booted out Labour crooks appearing on reality TV shows, Mr & Mrs, The Weakest Gink, Classic FM and The George Gallowegian Happy Funster Show……can’t wait……must go
There’s this amazing thing on TVs that even simpleton’s like you should be able to use.
It’s called the off button.
There’s something even better than that.
Just get rid of the TV.
Anonymous coward (Derek)
And we will use it for you and all the “simpletons” who voted in the Blair-Campbell-Brown Axis of Evil.
And within a couple of days of that 1997 victory, Gordon Brown sowed the seed of the current global banking crisis by removing oversight from the Bank of England and freeing up an avalanche of debt.
….for which sin, among some 5000 others, all Liebor ministers, past and present plus their fraudelent bankster friends, ought to face a Nuremberg Economic War Crimes Tribunal when they are ousted next year.
On the face of it the marxists in 1997 iniated a deliberate policy of economic sabotage culminating in the global crisis and a planned flood-the-UK migration policy.
These traitors deserve the same short shrift as the Nazis after WWII and that includes firing squads.
Where can we get tickets to watch?
And what’s the value of 400 metric tonnes of gold today?
About 13.5 billion dollars I think or £8.31 billion. A mere bagatelle.
The labour lead might still be overstated. Its showing in the high 20s. What did they get in the European and Council elections? Nothing like this high, and if anything I would imagine things are even worse for Broon now (and better for the country)
Did anyone hear George Osborne on the radio this morning. He was so weak,had no solution to the financial crisis . he will have to do a lot better in future. Not good at all.
Bit like Gordon Brown then.
Not really because Osborne is always saying he can do better than Labour but when put on the spot he had no solutions . So even if the Tories get in they may not change anything. Suddenly putting money under the mattress seems to be very appealing.
The tories have got a hold of the books and have seen that all hope is now lost. It’s worse than they first thought and now don’t want the job
Up until now they haven’t had sight of the accounts.
I’m sure they’ll be racking their brains to try to give us something with one hand…..and take something back with the other.
It’s what every single government has done so far.
They do want the job, but it will be a more complicated job than they thought.
Like when a builder went to sort out a little problem with a job done by the previous builders, only to find that the extension had no foundations, so they had to dig some foundations under the extension. A lot more expensive than it should have been, but not the fault of the second set of builders.
ALL FUTURE UK ECONOMIC POLICY: POLISHING A TURD
Brown’s wrecking-ball “management” of the economy for the last twelve years has been so catastrophic that, for the foreseeable future, this is the reality any Chancellor must face.
Brown is continuing to make a twat of himself getting shit all over his hands (interrupted only by furious bouts of nail-biting). He actually thinks this is working.
Osbourne would understandably rather do something else, but every road leads to another of MuckFuckwit’s charmless dung-heaps…
“Tory Waverer” – you are so obviously a Labour propagandist. Nobody is fooled. Like DD you are utter crap at it. Give up like the rest of your party.
No I am not but I can see a duff one at close quarters.
“Tory Waverer” you are a ZNL troll and I claim my £5. Ask Alastair for a bit more training; also make sure you claim some overtime for today. Did Georgie-boy get a chance to answer any questions for a change by the way? What, for you, was his “weakest” answer. I’ll try and help if I can.
He had no Tory workable solutions simple lack of a coherent vision. He was unable to defend his role as shadow chancellor. At least Darling knows what he is doing even if he gets it wrong.
Get onto the tory website and check “policies” for a coherent vision.
On your second point, you are on a strange logic trail if you accept a position of Darling being ok to do something wrong as long as he knows what he’s doing. What are you condoning? The sabotage of the UK?
Mmmm, maybe based on some of the other posts that is exactly right.
Are you employed by the Tories?
As a “waverer” you should know that I am on your side. Get back in the ranks, young man or cross over and waver no more. Do what you think is right. You will sleep more easily.
What are your favourite biscuits by the way?
Butter Osbornes crumbled in Hot tea.
Same old bull. You’d think that professional political operators would understand polling. First, of all Gallup has/had very little experience in British polling. Second, the only company who hasn’t changed their methodology since then is Mori and surprise surprise the Labour lead back then is the same as the Tory lead now.
It’s ICM who haven’t changed their methodology but the point is correct – the leads Labour had then with them are about the same as the leads the Tories have now, mid- to high-teens.
That said, because of differential turnout in their respective safe seats, that gives Labour an inbuilt advantage; Cameron won’t end up with the 177-majority Blair had with a 13% lead.
Even by the standards of the day – and we know now that they weren’t very high – that Gallup poll was obviously nonsense. Methodologies have improved markedly since then. Campbell is either straw-grasping or trying to unsettle the opposition (no prizes for guessing which).
The big question that Labour have to ask themselves is about their vanishing vote. Even in the Tories’ dark days of the mid-90s, their ICM poll rating rarely dropped much below 30% and by this stage in the parliament was consistently back into the low-30s. By contrast, Labour’s share with ICM has been consistently 26-27% for several months now. Campbell should be pontificating less on the Tory lead and worrying more about where Labour’s vote has gone.
Imagine the result if the weather is poor on polling day.
I’m going to consult the rain gods the night before.
Or arrange a day long episode of x-factor or a very long programme
about getting a fat person down the stairs.
I don’t care if it’s howling gales, snow sleet and pestilence. I’ll be voting, even if I’ve got a bad attack of swine flu.
If anybody’s interested, I’ll be voting ABL.
I have said many times before, Blair had a built-in 60 seat majority in 2005, it was even greater in 1997 and 2001. The latest boundaries would still give labour an overall majority of 44 given equal votes of labour and tory.
The 2005 result would have been a hung Parliament IF the system had been an honest, accurate, fair and unbiased one.
That is how biased the system is in Labour’s favour. That is NOT a democracy.
This is why the tories have beaten labour in EVERY national election since 2003, except the general election and why labour are SO SICKENINGLY ARROGANT. They know the system is so bent it would guarantee a labour victory unless they became utterly hated by even their own core voters.
Then change it
If you want every Conservative vote to count no matter where it is cast then you and Cameron would support Proportional Representation
He doesn’t and I doubt you do
So you’re stuck with this system
> worrying more about where Labour’s vote has gone
It’s rather obvious, it’s the B&P.
Labour GAVE their votes to the B$P. With a gift-wrap.
Dont’ worry
Alastair Campbell is just having another nervous breakdown….
How many more do we have to put up with ?!
Maybe Al Campbell should stick to Watchdog. He nearly fell for the fictitious parcel scam.
He loves to demonstrate the symptoms of his mental delusions doesn’t he?
There are things about Darling I never knew, a bit like Jack’s dad’s War service.
He became the head of Aberdeen University Students Union before joining the Labour Party at the age of 23 in 1977, Darling was a supporter of the International Marxist Group, the British section of the Trotskyist Fourth International.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_International
Elected to HOC in 1987, he soon became an Opposition Home Affairs spokesman in 1988 on the frontbench of Neil Kinnock.
He is one of only three people who have been in the Cabinet ever since 1997 (the others are Gordon Brown and Jack Straw
Obviously part of the problem not the solution
Our economic future is in the hands of a Marxist, who has been part of the team breaking UK from the very beginning. Makes more sense now.
Maybe the EUSSR will make sense now too.
Oh. There’s been a revolution within the EU that nobody told us about. A civil war with no shots being fired, but which has a victor in any case.
Labour’s vote will never drop below a certain level, because no matter what they do/say, most of the unemployed and union members will still all vote for labour, so they’ve got a kind of guaranteed minimum vote level.
The tories don’t really have that kind of advantage.
Given that built-in labour advantage, the current tory lead shows that it’s really only union members and the unemployed who are now willing to vote labour; pretty much everyone else will vote for the tories or libdems.
Labour are in pretty much the same shape now as the tories were in 96/97, ie their “core” vote is all that’s left; everyone else would rather have skewers inserted in their eyes than vote labour in 2010.
The difference is that although the tories were unpopular back in 97, they left the economy in fantastic shape. whereas labour have a scorched earth policy and will leave a bankrupted economy for the tories; that fact may well secure the tories more votes nearer election time because by 2010 more of the truth will come out about the true/full damage done by labour.
I think you will find the step-change in British politics is the surge of the B’n'P. ZNL has in the last few days been “found out” by some of the core vote it used to rely on and is exposed as both incompetent and middle class (where that is still an alien concept). An interesting prospect that the BBC, for once grappling to be “fair” but at the same time as usual duplicitous, contributed so much to that.
Interesting points but you do not mention the huge client state created by Brown & Demon Eyes – from public sector zombies, single mums, migrant workers and benefit careerists.
It’s to be noted that – like the immigration scam – Nude Labour also concentrated on building a hugely dependent public sector and a multiplicity of Labour infested quangos.
You also do not mention the fact that they have been relocating their propaganda depts like the BBC and govt staff into key marginals. Or the fact that postal votes are no longer scrutinised locally but are sent to an isolated agency in Belfast. Prepare for up the Karzai style election fraud, come the May Revolt.
You also do not refer to the Labour plutocrats hatred of the white working class – the traditional core vote – that either didn’t vote at all in the last Election and are now deserting in droves despite still reading the shit awful Daily Mirror and the drivel written by Kevin (Make Me a Peer) McGuire.
Good stuff.
Interesting points but you do not mention the huge client state created by Brown & Demon Eyes – from public sector zombies, single mums, migrant workers and benefit careerists.
It’s to be noted that – like the immigration scam – Nude Labour also concentrated on building a hugely dependent public sector and a multiplicity of Labour infested quangos.
You also do not mention the fact that they have been relocating their propaganda depts like the BBC and govt staff into key marginals. Or the fact that postal votes are no longer scrutinised locally but are sent to an isolated agency in Belfast. Prepare for up the Karzai style election fraud, come the May Revolt.
You also do not refer to the Labour plutocrats hatred of the white working class – the traditional core vote – that either didn’t vote at all in the last Election and are now deserting in droves despite still reading the awful Daily Mirror and the drivel written by Kevin (Make Me a Peer) McGuire.
Good stuff.
Guido “voters have come to a settled view of Gordon – that he is a useless weirdo”, for one very good reason.
His is a useless weirdo.
In fact that is being kind to him.
W.W.
we hate burnley
Daveo, please bear in mind that they threw out all the Labour councillors at the last elections. Wonder what Ally Cat-bell has to say about that?
We hate Daveo.
Another creep who doesn’t recognise how hated he is by most people Labour will get stuffed at the GE because of people like him ………… & their right wing policies of course
That should read FAR right wing policies
Aha, Far right is the term for a socialist who chooses the “wrong” group to be robbed and punished for existing.
The big story this weekend: Labour let in migrants ‘to engineer multicultural UK’
This is ethnic cleansing of the UK population by our own government.
But we (the people) let it happen by being too afraid to speak out. We were too afraid of being called nasty names. We didn’t even challenge the obviously false title of ‘Asylum Seeker’ in case we were branded (gulp!) Racist.
Whats with this “we” shit Kimosabie”
More here:
LINK
So labour must be guilty of treason then? Isn’t this the only crime left that is punishable by death?
Surely they are breaking international law by trying to engineer social diversity and removing our freedoms etc? Why don’t we take them to the european courts playing the ‘uman rights card?
Labour removed the death penalty for treason.
Ethnocide. I want to see Christmas decorations in public offices again!
Never mind Christmas decorations. I’d like to be able to fly the George cross – if I want to.
A publican friend of mine was ordered by our local council to take his George Cross flag down. It was St George’s day, but he had to remove it, otherwise he faced a stiff penalty.
Just what is this country coming to?
Contrary to UN Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples – http://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unpfii/en/drip.html
Perhaps the Sunlight group could start a legal action?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocide – You may need to google it because the link doesn’t work
And what’s worse, they did it to spite The Tories. They used men, women and children as pawns in a very stupid game. Shame on Labour!
I hope all you NuLab voters are proud of the fascists you voted into power. This is pure evil, but what else could we expect from a group of schoolboy Marxists? They lacked the wit or imagination to see where their open-door policy would lead to. Unlimited immigration without any planning or thought of where all the extra people would live, work, send their children to school etc. NuLab are wholly to blame for the rise of the BNP. So are you deluded NuLab votors who were too stupid what these people are really like.
Inevitable Socialist economic failure always tends to lead to fascism.
“Right Chief!”
AC, He is a confirmed tosspot,
But!
He is correct about DC being unpopular, in fact all at Westminster are unpopular, so unpopular people are considering the B N P as a “fuck you” vote on the basis they could shake up the current bunch of crooks and layabouts.
The trouble with beanpea is that they also are a bunch of crooks, liars and layabouts and one’s to boot who are not averse to using violence, so I don’t think they’d make a very good replacement!!
The B&P may be just another bunch of crooks etc. – but at least they would be OUR bunch of crooks.
Only if they decide they like you, rick. Otherwise you might be considered expendable.
The deaths of how many foreigners have been caused by the Labour Party while in government I wonder?
Nell, you’ve been prattling on like that without the foggiest clue about what you’re talking.
I suggest you do your famous research on the UAF, Cameron’s connection to it; and Searchight for starters.
Then compare that with whatever smears you can come up with about the B/N/P.
After due consideration, you might then moot on who’s actually behind those smears.
BORED BORED BORED TALKING ABOUT THE FASCIST BN P.
FUCK OFF ALBACORE YOU DOPEY C’UNT FUCK OFF BACK TO YOUR NASTY WHITE SUPREMACIST BN P SHITE YOU INADAQUATE HONKY.
YOUR PARTY IS AN IRRELEVANCE YOU WILL GET NO SEATS IN A BRITISH PARLIAMENT BECAUSE THE ENGLISH CHARACTER IS NOT FASCIST.
FUCK OFF WANKER
NOT INTERESTED IN YOUR BULLSHIT
YOU ARE A BORING C’UNT FUCK OFF!
YOU FUCKWIT.
AND TAKE YOUR BOYFRIEND RICK WITH YOU YOU USELESS C’UNT
BN P VERMIN LIKE YOU ARE NOT WELCOME HERE
FUCK OFF WANKERS
Tit Boy, I suggest that, in turn, you revisit the emporium of Ali the Taxidermist for an extensive service.
I really don’t need the advice of the smelly, encrusted gusset of some pants of a marxist propaganda tool.
Have a nice day.
“THE ENGLISH CHARACTER IS NOT FASCIST”
Unlike Johnny Foreigner, eh tat. You racist/fascist/toy-town-nazi, you.
TOP BOY IS A CAPITALIST YOU FUCKING SPASTIC
FUCK OFF YOU FUCKING RIMMERS
BYE BYE NAZIS
Guido, can’t you redact this tit?
He’s obviosly very bored so would be better off employing his talents elsewhere.
Twat Boy is just a marxist sleeve-job, posting on here under umpteen different screen names, all with the intellectual capacity of a rancid dog turd.
You revel in your ignorance of the meaning of fascism don’t you tat. I educated you and yet, you still cannot grasp the simple truth.
The B&P are a socialist party. They oppose corporatism and rampant offensive expansionist militarism. They are the antithesis of fascism.
On immigration they are tough but fair. Foreign people already here get to stay. Illegals and criminals and terrorists will be booted out!
You are in favour of illegals and terrorists being allowed in TaT? You like the child rapists from all and sundry being allowed indefinite leave to stay?
Top Boy, go to the bottom of the class, you are now bottom boy.
The BBC’s lies and hatchet job on Griffin has boosted his party’s membership by over 10% (of course these new memberships are pending whilst new memberships have been put on hold)
YOU LOST!
You are PWNED. Defeated, YOU LOST! and you are too thick to get it!
Well, well, what a surprise.
My response is awaiting moderation.
What’s up Fawkes? Don’t you like your pet marxist taken to the cleaners?
said the cripple with no name.
we know that is you albacore you fucking dick.
what a total wanker and coward you are. trying to censor the great and heroic thick as thieves? you are a silly dimwitted nobody.
I am top boy, I do not get modded and I do not get deleted.
so you will just have to suck it up.
or fuck off.
innit.
shut the fuck up ned, you are making a fool of yourself old man.
you are a reactionary old fart ned.
that is you in a nutshell. I have heard it all before. if you cannot come up with anything original why don’t you just fuck off to the bn p site, eh?stop bothering the good reader of this place with your garbage.
thanks.
OK, dimwit marxist sleeve-job, let’s see if this gets through.
Unlike you, I don’t use umpteen different screen names or “anonymous” on here.
Plus, of course, I’ve yet to see a post under any of your aliases approaching in content the intellectual capacity of a rancid dog turd.
Well, that’s another one awaiting moderation.
Ho hum! How many bouquets of pansies has thick as whatever sent you today, O great anarchist conspirator?
I shall take that bullshit as an admission of your loss TaT
Your kneejerking opposition of the B&P on entirely erroneous grounds does you no credit. I am merely a seeker of truth and the truth is The B&P are NOT fascist, they are socialist. Why else would it be left wing working class labour supporters who are flocking to their ranks, in droves? It’s not tories that are fecting to the BNP, it is LABOUR supporters mostly. When dissilusioned labour supporters hear what the B&P actually stand for from existing members, it resonates loudly with them and they defect.
If they were a fascist party it would be tories defecting.
I am NOT a supporter of the B&P as I despise socialism.
Catch-up Tat. Most of the stuff you post is reasonably sensible. You are far more entertaining than that twat Master Baiter, but on the B&P you turn into a drooling imbecile.
I welcome your hatred of the B&P I really do, but at least hate them for the right reasons.
As for what they stand for on immigration, I totally agree with their version of multiculturalism that uniquely INCLUDES and protects the white majority, But I could never vote for their socialist agenda.
I shall take that bullshit as an admission of your loss TaT
Your kneejerking opposition of the B&P on entirely erroneous grounds does you no credit. I am merely a seeker of truth and the truth is The B&P are NOT fascist, they are socialist. Why else would it be left wing working class labour supporters who are flocking to their ranks, in droves? It’s not tories that are defecting to the B&P, it is LABOUR supporters mostly. When disillusioned labour supporters hear what the B&P actually stand for from existing members, it resonates loudly with them and they defect.
If they were a fascist party it would be tories defecting.
I am NOT a supporter of the B&P as I despise socialism.
Catch-up Tat. Most of the stuff you post is reasonably sensible. You are far more entertaining than that twat Master Baiter, but on the B&P you turn into a drooling imbecile.
I welcome your hatred of the B&P I really do, but at least hate them for the right reasons.
As for what they stand for on immigration, I totally agree with their version of multiculturalism that uniquely INCLUDES and protects the white majority, But I could never vote for their socialist agenda.
Albacore, if you write a ‘B’ followed immediately by an ‘N’ and then a ‘P’, then the filter-system on this blog automatically adds your post to the moderator list.
There are other phrases that do likewise, but I shall let you find those out on your own.
Thanks, Mr Ned. I already knew that.
The posts I was talking about now seem to have passed moderation, which is why there is some repetition in them.
NONE SHALL PASS
there will be no white supremacists entering parliament on my watch motherfuckers.
top boy has spoken and his judgment is final.
you will have to comply and stop wasting the readers’ time with your filthy racist garbage.
we are all going to get along and have a nice time whether you racist c’unts like it or not. there are ways for that to be achieved but there is nothing that the bn p can contribute to the debate about successful social cohesion because the bn p are a white supremacist organisation.
surely even dullards like you can understand that?
logic, innit.
Thick as thieves is a really very wonderful person.
Where would this blog be without him, we ask ourselves, timidly.
Perish the thought comes the instantaneous, shocked reply.
What other hero could sit through more than five minutes of “Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back”?
Nobody. Thank heaven the thick one did, otherwise we’d be deprived of those few but ever so funny lines he memorised and, happily for us, keeps repeating. Ad infinitum.
Oh joy!
Now, now children. Carm down or you’ll get a slap.
I reckon that if hitler were alive TaT would be his speech writer.
tat,
Your posts are about the most retarded ever seen
on the internet. Get a girlfriend and stop w*nking.
Can anybody define “What is English” ?
I hear a lot of “We” this and “We” that, especially on the BBC.
Who exactly are the “WE” they refer to?
(refer to first question).
If you don’t remember or you are too young to appreciate, please look at old films or video. We had unlocked doors, neighbourliness, queuing, respectful driving, no muggings, education, civility and freedoms unknown today. Police were on side, volunteer groups, village fete’s , entrepenurism without hindrance, wacky inventors, some excellent without european or facist interventions.
Chaim, it sounds just like where I live in Belgium, and I am old enough to know whay you are talking about.
The 3 day beer festivals in the villages with their own micro breweries can be hard work though!
The major difference between European govs and your own bunch of evil bastards is that when a directive comes out of Brussels, if the government does not like it; they ignore it; and if it’s France they ignore the fine as well.
Your enemy is your government, not the Europeans!
Hummmm, your interpretation was yours, but not necessarily others, others possibly viewed their surroundings in a differing light.
Some like a pint with a smoke, others don’t.
So, all I am saying is there are differing opinions and there are those that are rather too fond of using “we” to support “their” particular argument or position
No offense meant its an observation.
Well, to a point. But my grandmother was attacked in the street, punched to the ground and her handbag stolen in about 1968. so it wasn’t all sweetness and light in the old days. But it is worse, now, I think.
Have the Police arrived to take a report from her yet ?
All I can say is, thank God that the international language of commerce is English. Or we would have lost our native tongue already.
There are more and more places where shop-fronts and other signs are in a predominantly foreign language. There is a whole part of Leicester where all the shop-fronts are written in Urdu.
There are more and more schools where a clear majority of the children have NO English when they start. There is no way that that can be beneficial at all to anyone.
The People of this country are very tolerant, often more so than the immigrants coming here, but it is now becoming very apparent that we have reached a natural limit.
When reasonable, non-racist, tolerant supporters of multiculturalism are looking at the B&P, then that is an enormous indication of how far things have gone.
Who are the English?
We being people, af ANY colour who were born here, who are mature and tolerant enough to be able to discuss or argue about ANYTHING and say ANYTHING without being arrested for it.
We are People who remember being born and raised in an INDEPENDENT democratic nation. A place where we chose the people who made ALL of our laws, where we chose the people who set our foreign policy for the good of THIS NATION and her people, regardless of colour or creed. Where we could celebrate our traditions anywhere in this land, without fear of prosecution or the charge of being racist. Where only certain words or phrases causing offence was something that did not lead to being arrested and forced to pay compensation, and other even more grossly offensive words and deeds are considered normal political discourse.
We remember when if you wanted to know the way, ask a policeman. When the police had discretion, common sense, respect, authority and tackled REAL crime and criminals. Today they are box-ticking, political revenue collection agents who act more like programmed robots, out to raise money from the decent section of society who are too honest and proud, or ignorant of the law, to scream “yuman rights” as soon as they are collared.
We remember when schools were educational establishments that turned out educated young adults prepared for a world of work. Now they are indoctrinating centres instilling fear and guilt and turning out people who are totally aware of their “rights” but utterly ignorant of their obligations, responsibilities or even how to spell, write grammatically or perform basic mathematics in their heads. They are expecting the world to be given to them on a platter and they moan as soon as they are expected to lift a finger to do any work.
Sure there are SOME decent young adults but in my experience they are the products of good parenting, rather than the state schools system.
I am fortunate enough to run a martial arts school. Some of my teenage students are very bright, keen, hard-working, diligent and responsible. They ALL attend a local private school and have excellent supportive, strict and loving parents. All of the students we have had from state schools have dropped out after a few weeks, are lazy, ignorant, cheeky, disrespectful and if we try to instil discipline, values and genuine respect, they cannot cope and their parents rebel.
So who are the English? We are fair, tolerant, respectful, decent, law-abiding, hard-working, tax paying suckers being taken for a ride by a leeching, parasitic, lying, cheating establishment who have betrayed each and every one of us.
I would like to be a glorious patriot too Ned, sadly the UK government spits on patriots so it ain’t much fun. The kinda patriot they want you to be is quiet, submissive hard working and trusting.
Baaaaaaaa
Welcome to being English.
Poor Mr Ned,there are drugs to help your condition.Please do not hold up private school as bastions of excellence. I should know they are not.State schools are best and 98% of students are educated in these excellent schools . There are some Victorian hellholes which purport to be private schools.
Everytime Alastair reappears I instanly think about the wmd 45 mins lie and about what he and bliar did to Dr David Kelly.
Dr. Kelly was just a troublesome scientist who they needed to swat. Think what they would do to Nick the Griff if he ever got to sniffing distance of power!
How could Dr Kelly be troublesome if he only wanted to tell the truth? The truth is something which eludes Gordon and his cronies.
How corrupt this government is.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488667/Why-I-know-weapons-expert-Dr-David-Kelly-murdered-MP-spent-year-investigating-death.html
Yes Norman Baker has written an excellent book about it and a dozen highly qualified medical consultants have backed his claims and are pressing for an Inquest , which I have read they have a very good chance of getting.
If it just didn’t have that Daily Mail tag line, I might be convinced.
There’s plenty of material without DailyMail tag lines. what you are really saying is that you don’t give a dam.
No it’s just that the Daily Mail supported the fascists in the 1930′s. It is a rag of a newspaper which panders to curtain twitching prejudices . I say start a Hide the Mail campaign . We would be a much better country without it.
“The Daily Mail supported the fascists in the 1930’s”? Jeez “Tory Waverer” which editorial was that and are the writers still alive and disseminating this material? Crikey, did they still “support the Nazis” during the blitz? How did the paper survive till now? You must surely be able to forgive and forget “Tory” otherwise how do you square what Alisatair Campbell tells you about Mrs Thatch with your hint of maybe voting for the tories? I am starting a Hide The ZaNuLab Troll campaign by the way. Same reason.
I agree, words like “I will be found dead in the woods” spring to my mind too. Campbell was one of the architects of the Iraq war, he imagined that having a “quickie war” would boost Blairs standing with the public the way Mrs Thatcher’s popularity soared following the successful Falklands war. Campbell is a “berk”.
Lizzie, Campbell is not a berk. Berks are just a bit daft.
Campbell is a lying, manipulative, odious, sneaky, bullying, dissembling, self-regarding shit.
And that’s putting it politely.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
Engineer. I suggest you Google for the meaning of berk. It is actually the same as hoon!
I know. But Cambell is much worse – much, much worse – than that.
Campbell is a self serving, evil individual. He is so obssessed with himself and his bouts of depression it beggars belief that he advises politicians. Listening to the guy being interviewed, it is clear that he is a very bitter confused individual full of hate and envy. He thinks he is so clever and intelligent; but being a good liar and twister of the truth doesn’t nevertheless make one clever – just devious.
Campbell is one of the reasons the country is in such a mess. It was his lies and spin that managed to ‘cover up’ many of labour’s deceptions and illegalities. The murder of David Kelly springs to mind as one of his most evil interventions.
I hope this pathetic man gets his just deserts. We reap what we sow.
‘Desserts’ of course.
A desert will do nicely
Deserts is better (for him).
….and they’re closing all the mental hospitals. AC would fit in there quite nicely.
Machiavelli tying himself in knots with that one, 19% lead in polls but people don’t like them, they have no policies and they haven’t changed much = The electorate would sooner vote in a Badgers Bum than New Labour, hardly a ringing endorsement Mr Toad. The thick of It!.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocide.
Fucking Gallup!! God almighty!
The same polling orgnisation that no longer does political polling in the UK because of deliberatley skewed pro-Labour polls like the one Cambell mentions!
Funny how it was 44% (Lab) to 30% (Con) at the election, not quite 56% to 22%
Most of the polling orgnaisations were all part of the Nu-Lav spin machine before the ’97 GE, and to some extent they still are when required. The are usually commssioned by organisations with particular political bias or narrative, it’s hardly surprising when the poll conveniently reflects that.
Campbell is a Grade A c*** and any decent person knows that. The fact that he has the nerve to write such bullshit, illustrates this.
But there again, Cambell has a history of mental illness and alcholism so it’ s hardly surprisng.
Very funny video.
Breaking news!, after recent ratings success on QT Nick Griffin to take part in BBC’s Strictly Come Dancing.
Great put-down in the Times leader today. Nick Griffin is out of depth politically, even as a MEP.
That’s funny. So how come Griffin’s party is now attracting 22% of voters according to the latest YouGov poll?
he’s not.
the B&P vote went from 2% to 3%
the 1 in 5 are all don’t knows maybes and not sures
not definite votes
pretty obvious the toytown-nazi’s aren’t use to understanding what polls mean in the bog boy’s politics
Great! Thanks for that! Many a true word spoken in jest as they say…
Campbell’s grasping at straws (polls). All the pollsters before 1997 (except one) got it wrong and wildly overstated Labour’s position. Labour actually only achieved a 13% lead at the election and the only pollster who got it right was ICM.
ICM are also the only pollster that hasn’t changed its methodology since 1997 and so any proper and accurate comparison can only be done with them.
ICM correctly predicted a 13% Lead for Labour in 1997
ICM’s latest poll shows the Tory’s lead as 17%
Labour is well and truly fucked and ‘Ostrich’ Campbell knows it.
When the Question Time audience next week has a 50 minute Inquisition of Jacqui Smith and her £116,000 tax-free bonus from the taxpayer it will be fun to see which politicians sit either side of her. Griffin with his left glass eye was placed so he would have to turn in his seat to see Bonnie Greer with his right eye and the three stooges – sorry ‘politicians’ – were placed opposite him like prosecuting barristers.
No doubt Jacqui will have none of her past indiscretions muck-raked by her ‘Honourable’ colleagues – she is after all a Privy Councillor and Baroness in waiting.
Demonisation by the BBC is reserved only for people who don’t share the establishments politicall correct agenda.
BTW The vile Jacqui Smith is currently on Radio 4′s Any Questions as pompous and arrogant as ever.
She is just making hay while her sun still shines, her constiuents have other plans for Mrs Smith.
No we haven’t she is a very good constituency MP. She actually wiped the floor with Nadine Tory on the radio this lunch time.
Nadine Dorries made Jacqui look like the stupid, gready idiot she is.
Jacqui Smith a good MP……hahahahahaha, laughable ask her constituents, the only thing she has managed in her constiuency is the upgrading of her own home, and that was courtesy of them!
Go back to your porn videos, Richard
Jonathon Dimbleby (sympathetically) to Smith on AQs… “Did you feel you’d been made the scapegoat over expenses…”
WTF????!!!!!
Time this Dimbleby dynasty were removed from the airwaves.
agree
do the dimblebees have any other life experience – are the qualified in anything/ have they ever had real jobs – or was their position in the media the legacy of their father alone?
The’Dim’bley’s have their fingers well up the arse of the Establishment and also have cosy links into royalty. They are a pair of rich bastards who have never done a really hard day’s work in their lives. Nepotism aways works well in the BBC.
The leftie/PC Dimblebums need replacing with Kelvin Mackenzie, Nick Ferrari, and Richard Littlejon
Kelvin M has no intellectual compass . He is a prejudiced backwoodsman with no moral backbone,why him of all people.
Said a woman who reads the grauniad!
Pluck the mote from thine own eye.
All three are eurofiles.
This guy has part of the right name “Dim”.
How will the admission that the Labour government deliberately lied to their voters go down in the polls?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html
This scandal to socially engineer the population and culture of Britain will destroy Labour if the media and the opposition parties decide to really run with it.
Come on Cameron! What are you waiting for, lad!!
This is a total disgrace.
The people I feel sorry for are the immigrants themselves who will as surely as night follows day, be on the sharp end of the backlash which is coming…
I feel sorry for the indigenous Britons in shitholes like Luton and Bradford who’ve been on the receiving end of multicultralism.
Don’t forget Oldham mate, the biggest shithole of them all and had riots to prove it!
They should have stayed at home then, particularly as most only came over here for the welfare benefits and because we’re such a soft touch.
Do you really ? I have not detected a sympathetic tone in your postings., Hunting ,flogging,sacking is more like it Do you really care about immigrants? sheer hypocrisy, Daily Mail reader I bet.
GW – the truth is that for every Guardian reader there are probably 4 or 5 Daily Mail readers and name-calling achieves absolutely nothing as evidenced by last Thursday’s QT- the flood of opinion on immigration is now unstoppable. The BBC in its misguided attempt to “demonise” Griffin and his party has unstopped the “genie” and the bile and poison that has been allowed to build up within certain sections of the community is coming to the fore. Unless all mainstream parties address the concerns of the white working class the support for the British National Party will continue to rise as inevitably as night follows day.
There needs to be a honest national debate on immigration;the fears etc and the mainstream parties need to take the British National Party seriously.They may be lunatics but they are DANGEROUS lunatics and need to be beaten in debate at every opportunity.At the same time there needs to be active effort by the three mainstream parties acting in unison to do this and for the concerns and fears of the “white working class” to be addressed. To just ignore the problem or resort to name-calling or organising “lynch mobs” as was done on QT is self defeating and allows Griffen to claim the underdog role – “Him fighting for the people” who themselves feel the underdogs against the metropolitan left wing mind set.
GW,
It’s the average Grauniad worshippers HATE for the UK and Britishness that’s the root cause of this.
Projection is a core symptom of the mental illness called socialism (death toll 100+ million).
It is my belief that CallMeDave is fully aware of the ‘Project’ and what’s going on. I believe that he and the Lib/Lab/Cons together have already decided what kind of Britain they wish to control – Multicultural, having no national or cultural identity.
Cameron believes that Time is a great healer and a tool for forgetting what the population want when it comes the election. I’ve got news for you Dave: Your time is running out. This one is not going away as it is tied dreadfully with the Euro problem. We are voting mainstream politicians out when our time comes.
This is such a huge elephant in the room and the elephant keeps getting bigger. It is going to be more than a minor annoyance for the mainstream parties and I don’t call me Dave is willing to tackle it.
As already stated this is linked in with the EU problem.
If Cameron and his shadow cabinet fail to challenge Labour over their delibarate deception over mass immigration then they will badly let down the British people and will leave the door open for more extreme parties to exploit the situation.
Not only did NuLiebore con the public over the immigration issue, they simultaneously tried to shut off any form of debate; whenever it was mentioned cue the foaming at the mouth shrill Guardianista Komrades screaming “racist”!
This did two things: it made the voting public feel completely let down and ignored (as well as insulted – ok that’s three) and it handed the Bee En Pee a way into the white working classes. In fact they were pushing at an open door as this particular social group had been abandoned/punished by labour after those who bought their own council houses voted for Thatcher.
Darling Dave is no better and will want to maintain the “caring conservative” approach – he’s fallen for the Numarxist line of “if you ever even question immigration stats then you must be racist” so he’ll make a few noises but basically won’t change a thing.
PMQ’s ??
Safer to keep quiet on the subject, unless you want the same media treatment as the BNP.
Sam here as I said the answer to all our problems is more handbags designed by me. I will put that nasty man Griff something inside a big tote bag and throw him in the Thames. Or maybe I should save that big bag for Davy’s 30 million pounds he has stashed away . Thank you lot for our extra dosh from tax relief on our second house .
Hi Grauniad Wimmin, Alistair says you are all needed back on Liebore List as you have a battle facing you in Barking & Dagenham and no one much has turned up. Cheers.
Mere amateurs compared to Slot Gob + Pope Tony I
For them to hang themselves.
As noted above, all the pollsters in the run-up to the 1997 election systematically over-stated the Labour lead.
Virtually all of them have either withdrawn from UK political polling or radically reassessed their methodology. Anyone that draws comparisons between mid 90s polls and today’s polls is either deluded or disassembling. Campbell is both.
Alcoholism does do a lot of damage.
Here is a clip of the Irish team members (of the 2005 B&I Lions Tour) talking about Campbell who was their PR guy for the tour.
See how long it takes O’Gara to suss him out, about 1 second in to the video.
Did I hear “wearing ill fitting dresses” ?
Tresses?
The voters view of Brown is miles away from his wife’s “Gordon My Hero” stuff.
Hero encompasses having courage, but when has Brown ever shown he has any of that. “Getting on with the job” is the Brown mantra, but he is like a “political cowboy builder”….everything he touches falls apart, he wanted a “Brown’s Britain”, that is what he said when he took over from wonderboy Blair, and what have we ended up with “Broken Britain”. The longer this charade of running the country continues under Labour the more the people will hate Labour, who knows….eighteen years in the political wilderness may seem like a short time to the Labour party in the future.
You are both right – the voters do despise Labour & don’t like the Tories – & the Tories haven’t sealed the deal. I am sure the Tories will win but wouldn’t be surprised if they do it on under 1/3rd of the vote. There is massive public demand for some competent governent & Cameron has failed to convince that he is it.
Don’t kid yourself. The next election will see a Tory landslide. Labour are finished particularly with this latest revelation that they lied to their own voters over immigration.
I think you’re right, but a Tory landslide will just mean the immigration issue will be put off for another 5 or 10 years – I just don’t see Dave having the guts to address it – even if he wanted to.
Trouble is its a bit too late now to do much – the damage has already been done.
I agree. If anybody thinks there’s a massive yearning for the Tories they must be on medication. Labour will probably lose the election but I think it will be much closer than some are suggesting. Cameron and his bunch of imbeciles will be no better than Brown and his bunch of imbeciles. We need a massive clearout of the system because most of the politicians are lying fucking hypocrites who are in politics for themselves.
By the way, my posting has come after the ‘anonymous’ idiot, I was agreeing with Neil Craig!
Its impossible for the tories to get that over 50% in the opinion polls if you count Scotland and Wales.
I think in England they are already above that figure.
The tories “won” in England in 2005; we have had four years of ZNL hoonery entirely courtesy of the Welsh and Scots. I am of course sympathetic to the Scots in pointing towards the south the likes of McDoom and McDarling at first opportunity.
Max as with most of the Cabinet Darling is in fact English. Its getting tiresome pointing out this to bigoted fuckwitted anglophiles like you. No wonder people like Campbell run roughshod over wankers like you what the fuck did you learn at school. Arsehole.
Dream on UKIP tosser. Tories are going to win by miles. If they disappoint then it’s the bad boys of the b n p next.
As for UKIP, they’re well past their sell by date.
Everything was going so swimmingly before everyone found out about me stealing public funds. I was a digital aged politician and Gordon was an analogue one and it was all so witty and fun and lighthearted. But then people found out I was just a thieving c’unt like the other expense thieves like Brown et al.
And it didn’t help when it came to light that despite being a multi multi millioniare who could well afford to buy a property outright and in cash, I chose instead to get a mortgage for the sole purpose of squeezing the maximum amount of money out of the taxpayer as possible. I did this as soon as I became an MP. No messing, they do not call me dodgy dave for nothing.
It seemed to be such a brilliant wheeze at the time and when I told Gideon about it he chuckled and he copied my super caper and he also got a mortgage that he did not need just to milk his expenses to the max too.
My poll people are telling me that I might have blown a majority by making myself look like a thieving self serving c’unt and that we will have a hung parliament as a result, as the great thick as thieves predicts, but I if I’m being really honest, I must say that to this day I still don’t understand what all the fuss was about me stealing taxpayers’ money, I really don’t get it. I was fully entitled to that money, it was all within the rules.
Can any of my Tory friends here explain to me why I was wrong to make those mortgage interest payment claims?
We are in this together! Vote for Change, Vote for Dave?
Do you think they swallowed that Andy?
Are you a ZNL troll, a UKIP troll, or a TAT troll? It helps me with my Competition K 624TT.
So what? Bliar won the last 2 elections with much less than 40%.
The days when govts win 40% are long gone when the smaller parties like the Nats + UKIP can pick up 15% or so.
Campbell, if you’re reading this, piss off.
Campbell, if you’re reading this, feel depressed.
Campbell – if you’re reading this – fuck you and your disgusting ilk and next time, please have a complete and permanent breakdown. I have some experience in psychology and you have the most miserable demeanour of anyone I’ve seen being interviewed. You would have, of course, since you were complicit in the death of Dr Kelly and even pieces of shit like you must try to sleep occasionally. I am an atheist, which means that, if I survive you, I can’t look forward to hearing you’ve gone to hell, but you are evil and I seriously believe that one day, not too far distant, you and that nauseating charlatan Bliar will pay for what you did to that dignified human being.
I was just going to say that.
Campbell is the lowest of the low.
We don’t do God, or the truth come to that!
Its ok Alistair I came out after I handed over to cyclops
I read somewhere that it’s murder working for Campbell.
I read somewhere else that it was Campbell working for murder.
Campbell is a war criminal
Mr Campbell please come clean about Dr David Kelly’s murder, sorry suicide.
You fookin nutjob, you!
The pigs are on the runway, all fueled up and ready for take-off.
You’d think he’d have enough sense to tell Labour to go fuck itself and then worm his way in with the Tories
++ALISTAIR CAMPBELL FOUND GUILTY OF WAR CRIMES AT HAGUE++CAMPBELL FOUND GUILTY OF CREATING AND CO-ORDINATING FALSE INTELLIGENCE THAT TOOK BRITAIN INTO ILLEGAL WAR IN IRAQ++CAMPBELL CLAIMS INSANITY DEFENCE++HE CLAIMS HE WAS UNDER INTENSE PRESSURE AND SUFFERED FROM A PERSONALITY DISORDER AND HAD BREAKDOWN WHICH CAUSED HIM TO FALSIFY SECRET DOCUMENTS THAT LED BRITAIN TO WAR++SENTENCED TO HANGING BY HAGUE++WILL NOW GIVE EVIDENCE DURING TONY BLAIR’S WAR CRIMES HEARING++
Wlliam Hague sadly does not count.
The Campbells, of course, have form:
They came from Fort William with murder in mind
The Campbell had orders King William had signed
“Put all to the sword” these words underlined
“And leave none alive called MacDonald”
O, cruel was the snow that sweeps Glencoe
And covers the grave o’ Donald
O, cruel was the foe that raped Glencoe
And murdered the house of MacDonald
- JIM McLEAN.
Time for some good news!
You get an extra hour’s sleep tonight.
Unfortunately, this means that by tomorrow Brown will have borrowed £25,000,000.00 more than usual (in your name) while you slumbered.
Every silver lining has a cloud in Brown’s Britain…
What would be more worrying is if you were the person lending the money.
Theres a thought who would be stupid enough to lend to us?
Erm, that would be your pension company.
Sleep tight.
So Im lending the money to myself then
Only if you think you’re getting a good deal out of Brown’s inordinate spending!
If not, the picture is more like this:
1. Brown sells gilts to your pension company (which he has already raided, by the way)
2. Brown fritters this money on “doing the right thing”
3. Brown then taxes you to the hilt to repay the loan with interest
It is as if nobody within Labour can be arsed to do anything. The winter of discontent is now in rehearsal as we slide, more rapidly, towards a very nasty end for the government and perhaps British society…
More names on Brown’s Wall of shame, Keir Starmer blasted as biased, Mayor Boris takes a stand, anti-war demo, on the postal strike, Labour just isn’t delivering, Magistrates courts could give you a criminal record by mistake and Brown’s Winter of discontent now in rehearsal
BST (Brown Smashing Telephones) reverses to GMT (Gordon’s Mental Therapy)
or
Bloody Socialist Twats lead to Gilt Market Turmoil etc… Ideas welcome! (It’s too late, sorry, early…)
The trots just don’t get it. They’ve been rumbled by the public..the NuLabour dream is over. The years of lies, obfuscation, social engineering and spin have caught up with them.
Next election…just rejoice….they’ll be history.
Blair was a trot was he ? LOL
Many of the Blair team had been commies or far lefties in their youth…..but the whole idea of the NuLabour project was to get elected – to do this they knew they’d have to bury the old labour/loonie leftie past and pretend they were middle class tory lite, so that included having a leader (Blair) who most resembled one.
Quite agree Ratty.
Bliar was only ever interested in power + wealth. The poliltics were a side issue. After all he managed to switch without any effort from an anti EEC CND supporter to a warmongering soon to be EU President.
He now has what he really wanted all along.
In the same interview Michael Howard called Campbell a liar to his face and Campbell had no reply, that part seems to have disappeared into the ether (threats of litigation no doubt). But what’s left may give you the gist.
Poor old Michael, fooked by the MSM in 2005 for daring to mention a cap on immigration; then skewered by Wales and Scotland in the election. Coolly lances Campbell in 2007 but unnoticed by all. Reduced to Mr & Mrs when the useless lying “class warrior” hypocrite Prescott gets his own TV shows.
There is no justice.
Yet.
Yet.
That is a pretty first-class skewering of an undisputed bully by Michael Howard. Good on him. Must be the Welsh in him. Telling Campbell a few home truths was long overdue.
Talking about Spin
How about this as spin from the Beeb Complaints Department
This is in response to a complaint I made to the biased way the QT format had been changed.
“Thanks for your e-mail regarding ‘Question Time’ broadcast on 22 October.
As ever, this edition of ‘Question Time’ saw tough questioning from the studio audience and chairman David Dimbleby, putting all the panellists on the spot on a range of subjects.
As with every edition of ‘Question Time’, the audience themselves wrote the questions and therefore guided the topics chosen.
The audience was, as always, selected to reflect a variety of backgrounds and a broad range of views right across the political spectrum and included supporters of the BNP.
Clearly Mr Griffin himself and the British National Party were the subject of intense questioning, but all the panellists were given the opportunity to respond to the points raised and to have their voices heard thus allowing audiences to come to form their own views.
Thanks again for taking the time to contact us with your concerns.
Regards
BBC Complaints”
Hey I put that further up the thread and somebody moderated it off??
What’s going on here, where’s the free speech Guido???
C’mon, why no answer.
My original post was further up the thread and now it’s gone. Instead it has appeared under Chompin on the bits name.????
Why did my post say “awaiting moderation” – then dissapear only to reappear under another name???
I’D LIKE AN ANSWER GUIDO!!!!!!!
Same happened to one of mine recently. Put a lot of thought and effort and .. disappeared into the ether. Contained no offensiveness or insults. Please ditch that sodding algorithm Guido.
Going by some of your contibutors it looks like Brown could sneak in to power .Are there any predictions of the number of seats that each party will get as i would like to put a wager on the outcome.
Tories 360
Labour 180
Tories will do this on about 39% of the vote.
Many LibDim votes will serve only to split the Labour vote as they did from 1983 – 1992
Jeeezzzzzz…. The pigs are not only flying past the window they’re levelling out for the runway.
Is Al Campbell a complete loon? Has he stopped to ask himself why nobody cares for Gallup’s services or polling methods any more?
Labour won in 97 mainly because tory voters believed rogue polls like Gallup and stayed at home. John Major won more votes in 92 than Blair ever did.
Stick that in your pipe – preferably when you’re having a bipolar crash.
Can’t be bothered reading through all the comments to date!
Has anyone pointed the following “inconvenient truth”?
Gallup aren’t polling anymore, the only pollster that is still going is Ipsos MORI, which provides the only comparable results.
- MORI in December 1996 showed a 21 point Labour lead.
- MORI in June 2009 showed a 22 point Tory lead.
Polling in the 1990s is widely recognised as showing a false Labour lead (which tended to drop off in the runup to the election) now eliminated with more balanced polling.
So, even using the only comparator pollster, the Tories have registered a greater lead than the equivalent poll for the month Campbell is spouting on about. And that is before considering
For the sake of transparency I will point out that Mori tend to register a Tory lead of between 14 and 17 points, the 22 points was the highest I have found. Lowest was 12 points in the conference season. This is unlike Campbell’s crock of shit – the number he has picked was the highest rating Labour ever polled.
Worth browsing the Ipsos-Mori pages, a must-have link for anyone commenting on this.
http://www.ipsos-mori.com/researchpublications/researcharchive/poll.aspx?oItemId=2444&view=wide#
And Campbell, who will be in denial for the rest of his life, should get out a box of tissues and kneel down with fly unzipped in front of the TV tonight for Malcolm Tucker’s new appearance….one of the few pleasures he will have left! I wouldn’t even recommend getting into a tussle on his blog, keep the arguments in the right wing of the blogosphere where everyone goes!
Enjoyed my read of this blog tonight…not.
We seem to have few BNP trolls to add to the Socialist fuckwits on here.
They believe that their comments make a difference by disrupting a thread.
Happily they have as much clue about anything as the rest of the political classes and regardless of the facts will press on with the plan. The good news is the plan is utterly useless. The irony is they think they are wasting our time but they are really wasting their own.
PS – a big part of this thread seems to be telling me Campbell’s word is not to be believed. As he was employed as an apologist for Maxwell and Blair,anyone who thought he would know the truth if it bit him on the arse,has a grasp of reality matched only by McDoom’s .
People have pretty much made up their minds already. It isn’t just to do with Gordon, either. Mandelson is the least popular member of the government, and Harmen, Miliband and Balls are all much less popular than Gordon.
It’s not over yet, Labour could still gain some ground, but the outcome is already certain. Only the scale of the defeat can be changed – and changing Gordon won’t help Labour in that respect.
The Tories, Nu Lying(mother-fuckers)bore and the nappy-arse-bandits in the Libdem(fisters and kiddy-groomers) club, are all the same party.
The fucking Hunts are all dirty kleptocrats theiving anything that is not screwed down. Evil filth.
What’s needed is a party that will introduce a law to gas anyone (and all of their fucking filthy parasitic family) who was an MP before 2010.
Burn all of the fucking shit and their dirty evil families.
Well thought of piece o’ shit ain’t he?
Alistair Campbells Diaries bored me to tears, he was more concerned with name dropping than giving us the inside dope. I hope his porn was more interesting.
His book was dog shit. I only bought it because I was mildly curious and also:
a) it was in paperback by then, thus cheaper
b) it was on offer at Waterstones
After ten pages of coded bollocks ‘met TB about GB, we decided that the G7 was more ONT than PSBR. Went up to MI5 to see if HM could get a BJ’* I gave up. It was of such little consequence to me it still resides in the library at the Chedi Hotel in Muscat, Oman, where I left it.
I wasn’t alone either, seemingly…
“Former Downing Street communications chief Alistair Campbell took an unwelcome literary accolade today.
His book The Blair Years topped the charts of a list of the latest literary works most often left behind in hotel rooms, compiled by hotel chain Travelodge.
Former Daily Mirror editor Piers Morgan was runner-up with his book Don’t You Know Who I Am?
Katie Price (Jordan) was in third place with her book A Whole New World, while Wicked, by Jilly Cooper, was fourth.
Travelodge operations director Jason Cotta said: ‘This review always gives us a good idea of what is going on in consumers’ minds during the summer holidays.
‘Clearly celebrity status is what we all want to know about, and Alistair Campbell’s diaries were bound to intrigue.’
The top 10 most discarded books in hotel rooms were:
1. The Blair Years – Alistair Campbell
2. Don’t You Know Who I Am? – Piers Morgan
3. A Whole New World – Jordan
4. Wicked – Jilly Cooper
5. Dr Who Creatures & Demons – Justin Richard
6. The Diana Chronicles – Tina Brown
7. I Can Make You Thin – Paul McKenna
8. Humble Pie – Gordon Ramsay
9. The Story Of A Man And His Mouth – Chris Moyles
10.Harry Potter And The Deathly Hallows – JK Rowling
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/article-597492/Blair-books-hotels.html#ixzz0Ut0oQfXf
He did a little whistleblowing scientist dropping too, but there wasn’t enough room to mention that.
moving swiftly on….
Come on Fatty – a 37% poll lead is better than 19%.
As Wittgenstein would probably have not said, consult the truth table.
You are in deep shit if you have to resort to such tendentious reasoning.
its a bit like dying of aids or syphylis. as in thank fuck its only syphylis !!!!
Ahh his beloved diaries known as “The Blur Years”. I loved how it had edited out a certain comment that Tony made about Roy Hattersley, calling him a Yorkshire c*nt(if you have seen the issue of Private Eye you’ll know what I’m talking about!).
Campbell if ur reading this…..
The cat is out of the bag
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222769/Dishonest-Blair-Straw-accused-secret-plan-multicultural-UK.html
It’s worth remembering that Campbell studied truth and honour from that bitter & twisted thief Robert Maxwell, who was a complete bastard and a liar. Probably the lowest, most amoral person ever to have owned a newspaper. Post-election, Campbell will no doubt ingratiate himself elsewhere in order to spread his poison.
Campbell merely applied the lessons he learned on behalf of Tony Blair.
You make a good point Odd Bodkins, I nearly forgot that Campbell’s old boss was Mr(I steal your pension)Maxwell. You should also remember that Campbell once punched the Guardian’s Michael White, when joked about Uncle Bob taking a swim!
The banking / Lending industry are not our friends. The banks have put the economy in the position it is at this point