Told You So
So after all the fuss Nick Griffin looked shifty and came off worst on Question Time as Guido predicted. Huhne, who should have been an old-pro and a safe pair of hands, came over as a bit shrill.
Sayeeda Warsi didn’t, as some in CCHQ feared, screw up…
UPDATE : Nick Griffin’s one good line, which flummoxed Jack Straw after he had struck a Churchillian pose, was to point out that whilst his own father had served in the RAF, Straw’s father served jail time for refusing to fight fascism.
Hardly a balanced audience. Classic left wing BBC. Which is why I will never buy a TV licence.
Got to agree, too many idiots looking smug in the crowd. No one in that crowd seemed too informed about politics, they just wanted to be there to slag off Nick Griffin. Dimbleby was an ok moderator.
And a smirking Griffin when asked about the holocaust didn’t look bad at all.
No,no,no,no,no,no,no. Well, yes.
The smirking was interesting. It looked to me like nerves.
Nerves yes, but who wouldn’t be nervous with the panel and the studio audience ready to shout you down whatever you say….
Interesting line about Jack Straw’s father sitting out the Second World War from the safety of a prison cell as a CO.
The whole fucking show was a load of bollox
I had j-lag from flight in from US and I stayed to watch it
pure shit house
this country is deluded.
Economy is fucked; pound is worth one veiulle franc and we are watching some punch and judy show with a fat racist closet homosexual retard.
Shame on you all and how do we unplug the BBC>?
He claps like an otter
looks like he went to the prime mentalist’s school of ‘emotionally unable to receive criticism without decending into rage in his head but realising he shouldn’t do rage and so laughing strangely’ – it’s just of the M73
nick griffin the racist holocaust denier got a right good fucking kicking.
ah, now he is going to play the bully victim card. boo hoo, don’t cry nick, if you cannot take the heat then fuck off out of it.
be a man griffin and take your medicine you fascist.
top boy has spoken: anyone who votes for griffin is a traitor to this country.
no appeals will be heard.
A labour politician on Toady thought that Griffin was shifty, had strange mannerisms and grins….funny that sounds like a description of Gordon Brown to me.
Perhaps if this is the new QT model then they should have an audience and panel to batter Brown next time, he writes about courage but he would never have the courage to face his de(tractors)!!
The BBC played right into his hands tat, and you coming out with your usual boring expletive laden dialog isn’t going to help much when this nasty little scumbag Griffin sees his voting number increase yet again.
Top boy? What a fucking joke!
Griffin reminded me of the Blair days before he was elected. We are the “New”. All that previous history is irrelevant.
In fact, I would say he was the cleverest person around that table. With the integrity between Blair and a cult leader.
The opposition was terrible and childish. Straw, to not understand the war issue, was a complete idiot to go on the show. Good to note that the two top people in the British Museum were not even born in the country! Another bad choice.
griffin took a good hiding last night and it too late to for racist apologists like you to cry over spilt milk.
politics is a rough old game but I must say reading fascist two faced bn p trolls like you whingeing about griffin being bullied is highly, highly amusing to top boy.
you lose, the anti fascist movement wins.
votes were poured down the drain thanks to the white supremacist party after griffin’s terrible and incoherent performance on question time.
your leader took a hell of a beating and we haven’t even started on you fascist yet.
plenty more in the locker.
if you can’t take it fuck off.
innit.
Yeah, tat, you are fulloshit on this one. top boy? HA, not this time. top? never , BOY? definately! if the number of responses on the BBC have your say is anything to go by, responses agreeing with Nick’s views outnumber those disagreeing by a large margin.
As for charges of antiSemitism and denying the holocaust. Did you even WATCH the programme?
He did admit that in the past he did deny the holocaust but has since, upon seeing the evidence, has changed his mind. He ADMITS that the holocaust happened!
He even opposed the BBC’s support for the Palestinians and he and the B&P (wrongly in my view) applauded Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians in the recent internationally acknowledged war crimes and unlawful collective punishment in Gaza. the B&P are in favour of Israel and FULLY support their right to exist. (as do I, but I cannot condone their crimes against humanity)
ANYONE who claims that the B&P are Anti-Semitic are living in cloud cuckoo land.
Nick DID undoubtedly have repugnant racist and white supremacist views in the 1980s. Such views were very common back then. He, along with almost all of the country, have changed their views since then as we have become much less ignorant of race since then.
Do not forget that the left fought to allow free speech for Irish Nationalist terrorists whilst they were STILL committing their campaign of violence and while they were murdering British people. Yet they are up in arms against a man who leads a party that wants to protect Brits and has harmed no-one.
We acknowledge that the worst people can change. We acknowledge that Martin McGuinness and Gerry Adams have changed and accept their democratic legitimacy. They are the most vocal opponents of the recent rise in Nationalist violence. They did more than any other Mainstream political party to bring peace to the North of Ireland.
Why can we not acknowledge the radical changes in the B&P?
Why can’t people give credit where it is due to a man who has moved the B&P from their extremist, racist origins to a much more reasoned and rational position today. A position that can be described as the ONLY version of multiculturalism that INCLUDES white British as a culture to be recognised and protected.
Sadly, The B&P are the ONLY party in British politics that stand up for MY culture. I have supported other culture’s coming here and enjoying the freedom to enjoy their custom’s and traditions here. When will there be reciprocation? Why am I made to feel like a bigoted racist for daring to ask that MY culture be respected ALSO? No, the establishment will not even acknowledge that I even HAVE a culture in this land. I am a white, Brit from many many many generations of white Brit. As such MY culture is uniquely allowed to be attacked, vilified and eroded without ANY protection in law whatsoever. I only ask to have the same right in my ancestral homeland that I have fought to allow for all other cultures coming to live here.
The B&P are the ONLY party that offer this recognition let alone the protection in law.
His views on homosexuality are also welcome. Homosexuals are welcome to equal treatment and recognition in law. Let them have their civil partnerships, let them have equal recognition under the law. But let those of us who are naturally repulsed by the thought of two men having sex with each other have the freedom of thought to be repulsed by it. I find that imagery grossly distasteful, however I fully accept that homosexuals genuinely and rightly feel it is natural and beautiful. Let’s agree to disagree on it.
I am outraged by the idea that I should be compelled by law to accept something that I feel instinctively is utterly unnatural and abhorrent. I am Heterosexual so there is NO WAY I can accept homosexuality as normal for me. And NO this is NOT Homophobic, as there is NO FEAR, rational or otherwise, in my revulsion of homosexual sex. I do not fear homosexuals, I just find their sexual practices to be repulsive and unnatural.
I would NEVER discriminate against a homosexual in employment, housing, or any other area of law, for to use sexuality to discriminate against them would be utterly wrong, but that does NOT mean I have to accept their sexual perversions as normal, just as they do NOT have to accept my choice of sex with a consenting adult of the opposite sex, as normal, hwich to them, it clearly isn’t.
I agree with the B&P on a number of issues and believe in credit where it is due.
This makes me feel very sad, for I can never support a socialist party. The B&P are a socialist, far left party. Their policies are NOT fascist. Their decentralisation is the antithesis of fascism. But I have to be truthful and give credit where credit is due and I would far rather the B&P were in power than the rabid, anti-British extremists in the labour party, but the B&P will never get my vote.
fuck off tat you fuckin fuckety fuckwit
in or out ned, fascist or non fascist.
make your mind up old man, you will be dead soon.
you wouldn’t want to die a fascist now would you.
God doesn’t like nazis ned.
In an attempt to head off continuing rumours about Griffin’s bisexual past, and in particular Griffin’s failure to sue his alleged former lover Martin Webster, deputy to Tyndall in the 1970s NF, and The Sunday Times and Searchlight who reported the relationship, Lecomber has repeatedly posted messages on a B&P Internet discussion board turning attention onto Tyndall. In deeply homophobic terms, Lecomber questions why Tyndall failed to oust his former deputy when he obviously knew of his gay relationship.
I agree with tat. Griffin is a racist twat, he was/is a holocaust denier, it’s something he’s believed for a long time. Changing your mind later on won’t wash I’m afraid.
Bit like Jack Straw really, once you believe in communism…
“your leader took a hell of a beating and we haven’t even started on you fascist yet.”
Again tat shows just how thick as pigshit he actually is by accusing anyone who disagrees with him as automatically being a supporter of that odious little creep Nick Griffin. It’s that kind of attitude from the allegedy anti fascists that has allowed the one eyed monster (not Gordon – the other one) to get to where he’s got – the whole “if you disagree with anything I say you’re a fascist” argument.
You’re an ignorant little clown tat, and in spite of your delusions of grandeur about being top boy and whatever else, you’re actually nothing but a simple minded cretin with the all the intellectual and debating capacity of an odd shaped turnip. You are completely out of your depth in just about everything you ever say and do nothing but continously embarrass yourself – it’s like listening to Al Murray the Pub Landlord on one of his rants, but at least with him you know he has that ironic glint in his eye.
Not related to him by any chance are you. The considerably less intelligent little brother or something?
note to cloth eared bn p c’unts:
top boy has spoken and as I have already told you, no appeals will be heard.
now get back in your fucking boxes you nazis.
thankyou.
The KGB years trying to fuck this country up should have waited
untill Straw ,Hain ,Harman ect got into Goverment im sure they would
have got a Medal from the Moscow for services renderd to the state
tat you missed the W out you fuckin fuckety fuckwit
“top boy”… fuuuuuuuurkin ell, what a mong. The silent w in his handle’s getting louder.
You are all fuckwits.
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/135887/Labour-immigration-plot-
http://www.onethirdoftheholocaust.com/
Free speech and all that – Ma!
Guido can please remove this filthy link!
Some of us here have or had friends who were IN the camps!
Holocaust denial is disgusting abnd utterly dishonest
OK if you want a chairman to enter into the lynch mob mentality of the panel and the audience. OK if you think his job was to turn every question to the purpose of making the BNP centre stage, and throwing mud at them. OK if you wanted to ignore all the important political questions of the hour, including the postal strike, the war in Afghanistan, the Lisbon constitution, the collapse of the Labour party’s support, greedy MPs still snorting at the trough …
Agree.
Guido, I don’t know what program you were watching, but QT wasn’t on last night.
What we saw was a prgram where politicos from the left and right ganging up on someone who’s shone a light on their inadequacies. Huhn was a typical soap-boxing liberal, Straw as John Humphries observed, behaved very strangely, Dimbleby was agressive and failed in his role as chairman and Bonnie Greer, oh dear. The only person to aquit themselves well was Sayeed Wasi.
I dislike Griffin and most of what he stands for, but that was little better than Jerry Springer.
[name of site blogger] I don’t agree with you as I though Nick did a smashing (great/superb/brave) {fat/chubby NOT acceptable} job last night against a horrid (beastly/liberal/communist/populist/Canadian) audience (mob/panel/threesome)
it was very sad to see everyone pick on (gang up/clusterfuck/attack/disagree with) Nick when all he was trying to do was speak to the voter (stand up for Britain/call a spade a spade/show the muslim the exit/gangrape a chicken) and -panelist#1- was clearly rubbish while -panelist#2- could not hide their craven attitude to the ethnic minorities. As for -panelist#3- they were simply rude and uncouth along with the same old rubbish from -panelist#4-
But worst of all was the =Hostname= as =Hostname= was clearly Biased and wouldn’t let Nick reply (speak/answer/fart/trumpet/shriek)
I hate the B&P and Griffin, I mean, some of my best friends aren’t racists but {oh what a giveaway} surely this was an utter farce (disgrace/outrage/tragi-comic-opera/great laugh/turnip chase)
Yours [insert signame]
Spot on but what a classic putdown of Jack (the man of)Straw who’s performance was akin to that of a wet tampax.
I only watched about 10 minutes of it – utterly ridiculous schlock theatre. Nothing to do with Question Time nor current affairs. And we are supposed to pay a licence fee to reward the hoons who put on such tendentious rubbish!
I’m afriad such lynch mob metality is what passes for ‘dialogue’ these days
Don’t forget that yesterday (thursday) it was announced five Land Registry Offices to close with the loss of 1500 jobs. A good day to bury bad news me thinks. Apparently the announcements were to be sooner.
I felt the audience just wanted to be seen to be waiving pitchforks at Nick Griffin. It was all very superficial stuff.
I think Griffin came out as bad as the rest:
Audience – not a representative cross section, just liberal metropolitans.
Straw – fathered a drug dealer and now we realise son of a coward.
Huhne – what’s the point?
Greer – smarmy
Warsi – ?
Dimbleby – idiotic.
The programme was too loaded against Griffin – big editorial error. The Beeb could’ve made a monkey out of anyone in such a way, but instead they’ve made the programme reflect what Griffin is complaining about – a liberal elite dictating to working people. Big error.
Next week with Ms Smith on board will they dedicate the full programme to attacking MP’s spouses mastubration stimulus? Or the cost of bathplugs in Redditch? Will they line up the Conservative PPC for Redditch and Chris Galley, will they have Guido and Benedict Brogan on the panel? Will the audience be free from the rent-a-mobster Unite union stooges? Will it just contain Tax Payer’s Alliance members?
If the answer’s no to those questions, then the Beeb screwed up last night – pandering to the liberal paymaster.
And Guido – Griffin also skewered the panel on the English indigineous question too – would they dare try and deny the existence of Native Americans, Aboriginial Australians or Maoris?
Why hasn’t Hain and his ilk reverted to his previous tactic of disrupting rugby tours to prevent the Haka if they’re so right about multi-culture……
Exactly right.
Yes, that about sums it up.
I agree.
The programme was a real let down – this was not a debate – the BBC failed. Unfortunately the only person that comes away with any points scoring was Griffin.
Nick Griffin did make an arse of himself but equally so did the others and the BBC and the audience.
We noticed both the audience and the panel went all quite when Griffin mentioned what he didn’t like about islam. There is a lot of people at home nodding their heads in agreement.
Warsi also struggled to say whether she supported civil partnerships.
I think most people at home will be disappointed that serious issues were not discussed in a civil manner. Its just another example of politicians skipping round questions and being untrustworthy to represent the voter.
Spot on!
Actually, that statement of his did get me thinking – I mean what indigenous population has ever benefited from uncontrolled mass immigration?
Has there ever been one?
Although I only spent about an hour researching this – I couldn’t find a one!
Agreed
Yes – that’s a pretty fair summary.
I wasn’t going to vote for Griffen’s party before, and I’m not now, either. However, unless some of the things that Griffen and his party are highlighting are discussed openly and properly by the major parties, Griffen and others on the extremes of politics will continue to gather support from decent people who feel ignored.
To give Baroness Warsi some credit, she did seem to acknowledge that for some parts of the country, immigration has caused problems for people, and those problems need to be addressed.
I couldn’t agree more. The Beeb have played right into Griffin’s hands with the choice of questions and such a lynchmob audience.
What about recession/depression, Possible winter of discontent, troughing governing class, unemployment, Afghanistan and a whole lot more other vital and important issues. The BNP were not an issue untill the liberal elite made them one.
Very pissed-off.
+1
Had I been in the audience, I would have asked Nick Griffin how he could
have the sheer racist effrontery to demand that Muslim women discard
the veil.
Oh, hang on a minute, that was Jack Straw wasn’t it?
I’ve no time for the B&P but that programme did not meet the BBC standards of fair and reasonable.
Why didn’t they discuss what Brixton, Tottenham and Harringey have in common ?
As all major parties ignore the imigration problem they leave an open goal for. nick griffin to walk in
One thing about having Nick Griffin on the panel – it protected any of the other politicians from having to answer any awkward questions e.g. asking Jack Straw why he’s trying to slip ‘secret inquests’ in through the back door, by innocuous wording in other new laws now that his original proposals were very firmly kicked into touch:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1221845/Jack-Straw-quietly-revives-secret-inquest-plan-rotten-idea-ditched-following-row.html
Politicians – don’t you just love them? – each one more of a liar, thief & all round c*** than the last one.
Biffo – you have hit the proverbial right on the head. Are you, perchance, earning a crust with a legal shingle?
Actually I don’t think Dimbleby was an OK moderator. He seemed over-anxious to demonstrate that the BBC was against Griffin, despite having invited him onto the show.
The BBC was right to issue the invitation; but its representative should have demonstrated due impartiality too.
None of the participants seemed very impressive, with Straw coming over as almost as unconvincing as Griffin.
I bet few politicians wanted the job of standing up there against Griffin. Agree with you about Bumblejoy. My spouse felt the same as you about Straw too.
The antihero himself appeared not only ill-at ease and unused to the tele, as might have been expected, but positively, as Maggie put it, ‘frit’ from time to time.
Varsi and the rest were not pushovers, but the whole thing was, fortunately, a damp squib… especially for the BNP. ‘I can’t tell you why I changed my views on the holocaust because of European law’ was plain daft, and Straw said so… Also daft was the business of ‘I managed to see some secret communications from the time which changed my mind’… Bonnie Greer was right merely to laugh at the defence of the KKK wallah; and the comeback to Griffin’s: ‘I find gays creepy’ from the girl in the audience, who assured him the feelings were mutual, was neat. The black Englishman who offered to have a whip round to send Nicholas to the Arctic, where everything was guaranteed to be white was obvious, but amusing all the same…
I did think it was a bit of a bear baiting of Griffin from the audience, but my son said that if you went outside the TV Centre and got people to come in at random, you would probably find you had the same proportion of Griffin supporters ie… very few. I did spot one or two clapping Griffin’s remarks , but no heavies stirred things up, did they?… They were not given the opportunity…
Black Bonnie Greer is going to teach us white Engish folks our own history but with new improved Political Correctness.
Old Nick got battered but Five Against One ain’t a fair fight.
This will be the talk of the town on the glaciers of prehistoric Britain tonight
Well done that nutter!
Haha,
But she is right, how DO you define “indigenous”, we’ve ALWAYS BEEN a mixed society and always will be, fucking nazi scum.
The above mentioned nutter is of course Nick Griffin and his 17,000 year old constituency of Ice Men. You take the votes where you can.
It sounded very much like she was inferring that the rest of us are neanderthals too. Not very nice to be honest and I can see that would annoy some people.
Haha,
But she is right, how DO you define “indigenous”, we’ve ALWAYS BEEN a mixed society and always will be, fucking nazi scum
What a dickhead/ess you are , you fucking moronic tunnel visioned anti democratic cock sucking infantile, selfish prick/less puff of methane .
Not nice to be insulted is it, and we have not ‘always been a mixed society, we bought them from their own kind and to them to the Americas
Neanderthals died out.
I think she was saying the first “people” to arrive after the ice melted in Britain were a different species, who are no longer with us. I would have thought H.sapiens would have arrived quite quickly.
On the other hand I’ve always considered myself to be Anglo saxon or viking. That does mean my ancestors arrived over 15 thousand years too late for me to be allowed to stay.
But she is right, how DO you define “indigenous”,
Well they have no problems defining it for people in Africa, Asia, Australia and the Americas. It’s only when we come to Europe that they seem to have a problem, and the goal posts are moved. Wonder why that is?
Stripping Europeans of their indigenous status would make the life of the multiculturalists and social engineers so much easier.
“fucking nazi scum”? You sound a bit violent yourself.
PS: Neanderthals died out over 30,000 years ago, and the last ice age was 17,000 years ago.
But I still want to know what happens to those of us who are not indigenous because we only arrived 1,500 years ago.
You can define us by exclusion, rather than inclusion. In this definition being British is not being Afghan, Belgian, Congolese…all the way up to Zimbabwean. Whats left over, and something is left over, is British.
You can all sod off, we were here first, you’re all bloody Germans.
I wouldn’t want to be seen to be making a racial purity argument here but the “we have always been a mixture of people” argument is bollocks.
The Anglo Saxons, Vikings and Normans were essentially the same peoples coming from the same place at two or three hundred year intervals – originating primarily in north Germany, Denmark and Norway (the Normans having a 200-year sojourn in France in the meantime). Most Roman soldiers quartered in Britain were Germanic.
What about the Celts you might say? Well, it hurts me to say it but even they are of the same north European stock. A different tribe but not a different race.
The Huguenots? – well, the French are largely a mixture of Germanic (Frankish) and Celtic peoples, just as we are.
If you wanted to look at it in racial terms (and I don’t), the change that has happened in this country over the past 50 years and looks set to continue over the next 50 dwarfs any previous “mixing”.
Can’t help feeling that the 17,000 year ago argument is a bit of a red herring. We don’t really know enough to be sure what happened that long ago.
Britain does have a well-documented history over the last 2000 years, however. Yes, we’ve had spells of immigration and invasion – Romans, Anglo-Saxons, Vikings (in parts of the country), Normans (effectively Vikings with different hats) and then a fairly settled spell with occasional influxes from the continent – Jews, Hugenots etc., until the much greater influxes during the 20th century.
Those who can trace their roots to British origins before about 1900 could reasonably (with a few exceptions) call themselves members of the indigenous populations (be they broadly Anglo-Saxon or broadly Celtic). I think that’s still the majority of Britons, despite what the Liberal Intelligensia would like us to believe.
Engineer. yes probably. the 17000 bit is either a silly (and factually innacurate) way of avoiding saying “white”. Or perhaps more strangely its something approaching Ayran mythology. Its a cat and mouse game between Griffin and those picking holes in what he’s saying or avoiding saying.
Do the BNP supporters care too much about the italian-scots or eastern europeans from the 1930s – or even later?
Actually, prehistorians *do* know quite a lot about Britain after the Devensian (last phase of full European glaciation) and the re-populating of Britain from the Basque glacial refugia. Bonnie Greer’s ignorance was shocking, considering she represents the British Museum.
Ancient mtDNA (mitochondrial DNA- from the mother’s side) shows that c.75% of British people are descended from Mesolithic hunter-gatherers who repopulated c.12,000 BC (add on 2,000 for AD = 14,000 years ago). A further estimated 20% came in with the Neolithic (c.4,000 BC).
ALL the subsequent additions (Romans, Saxons, Vikings, Empire Windrush etc) made up only around 5%. Yes, 5% over 14,000 years.
DNA testing on the remnant DNA of just one skeleton – the so-called Cheddar Man (9,000 years old) found *four* local matches still living there today, one of whom was a history teacher in the area.
Google it all if you don’t believe it. Prof Stephen Oppenheimer of Oxford is the go-to man on ancient DNA – his books are well worth reading. Or there’s a summary here:
http://www.prospectmagazine.co.uk/2006/10/mythsofbritishancestry/
Britain has been intermittently inhabited by members of the Homo genus for hundreds of thousands of years and by Homo sapiens for tens of thousands of years. DNA analysis has shown that modern man arrived in Britain before the last ice age but retreated to Southern Europe when much of Britain was ice covered, with the remainder being tundra. At this time the sea level was about 127m (417ft.) lower than it is today, so Britain was joined to Ireland and to the continent of Europe.
Just because Griffin says it, doesn’t mean it isn’t true.
Greer was far more racist than Griffin. She appears to think a ‘southern’ (i.e. dark-skinned) person is somehow ‘more descended’ from the first humans than a white, and therefore takes some sort of precedence. Next she’ll be saying blacks are the only ‘true’ humans.
Actually we are all precisely as much descended from the first humans as she is, so presumably we all have an equal claim to our African birthplace.
Our ancestors may have come from a place now in Africa (though it was not then in the same location), but they can hardly have belonged to any present-day race, unless she thinks black people haven’t evolved in 7 million years.
But hey, if you’re black you can propound the most bizarre racist codswallop without anyone in a BBC studio taking issue with it.
All quiet on the fmttm front, smogmonster?
The calm before the storm that is the Strachan.
Since when have we taken kindly to foreigners telling us our supposed faults? I can even remember when Bernard Braden got the cold shoulder for such effrontery, not to mention Germaine Greer (any relation, Ed?), Peter Hain, et al!…………and Guido do stop parroting the NUJ official line, there’s a good chap. You’re so much more amusing otherwise.
For god’s sake don’t tell Liz or Phil the Greek
she still has her TV message at christmas remember
“She appears to think a ’southern’ (i.e. dark-skinned) person is somehow ‘more descended’ from the first humans than a white,”
Because she didn’t say that ? Solid reasoning there Einstein.
“Next she’ll be saying blacks are the only ‘true’ humans.”
Next you’ll be saying she’ll be saying any hysterical toss you can dream up.
“Our ancestors may have come from a place now in Africa ”
“may” Professor ? I think you’ll find the scientific term is DID.
“but they can hardly have belonged to any present-day race”
Good thing no-one claimed that then isn’t it ?
Greer clearly knows far more about evolution than missing link Griffin did.
The point is simple. Genetic “purity” is a myth. You choose your definition and Griffin chose an arbitrary cut off for his bizarre yardstick of it. If he means white then he should just say white as he is amusingly unconvincing at pretending he is an evolutionary biologist or Richard Dawkins.
“unless she thinks black people haven’t evolved in 7 million years.”
you mean unless YOU think that as she said no such thing, yet again.
“But hey, if you’re black you can propound the most bizarre racist codswallop without anyone in a BBC studio taking issue with it.”
And with your post you prove if your white you can propound the most bizarre racist codswallop but sadly for you it got noticed.
How am I supposed to believe in ‘racial purity’? Is it because I said just the opposite?
The point is that if the white British have no particular claim to Britain on the grounds of their ancestry, then the same must be true of any other country. I should therefore be able to acquire citizenship in other countries as easily as their people can acquire British citizenship, but of course I can’t. Are they excluding me on the grounds of my skin-colour? Or is it just that some countries have sensible immigration policies, while others have crazy ones?
“How am I supposed to believe in ‘racial purity’?”
I cut a cloth for Nick and you try on the jacket. Your prob not mine.
“I should therefore be able to acquire citizenship in other countries as easily as their people can acquire British citizenship, but of course I can’t. Are they excluding me on the grounds of my skin-colour?”
Obviously not if you try and get American citizenship.
“Or is it just that some countries have sensible immigration policies, while others have crazy ones?”
Or even that some have different citizenship requirements than others ? Nowhere did I mention immigration just the strange leaps in logic that evolutionary scholars like Griffin and his ilk take.
Immigration policy is always debated and always part of the election.
Quite rightly.
Immigration policy based purely on race and some little fat guys definition of “indigenous” is not.
The “Out of Africa” theory that Greer pontificated about is as such: only a theory and recent evidence has been challenging that fact.
The Independent
Gr1ffin came across as a plonker which was expected but the elephant in the room wasn’t addressed until the last moment – why was there growing support for the B&P? Over to you Jack…
“waffle waffle waffle” avoid eye contact etc until Warsi took the political opportunity to say it was Liebour’s failed immigration policy that has given rise to the nationalistic party and admitted that some people have voted who are not racist.
Lynch mob panel with an audience, handpicked by the BBC website profiling the best pitch fork wielding student, anti-facist multi-culti London audience all desperate to voice their clichéd diatribe.
It would have been interesting to have held the debate in Blackburn where it we may actually hear from people who did vote for the B&P.
An obvious stitch-up from the start, scenes from a Mary Shelley novel at best, but as usual on Question Time, the discussion as to why growing numbers of seemingly non-racist people were voting B&P was hastily buried under the carpet.
expenses piggies
rearange those words in any order you like
BOGBG – yes indeed, only Warsi mentioned immigration control failures, Straw told us it was all under control, what is worrying is that he might actually believe that….!
Agree, it was like Jerry Springer
QT was described on Toady as ‘the Flagship Political program of the BBC.
‘Tramp Steamer’ seems a more appropriate moniker.
I might be in a minority but I thought Dimbleby was a joke. It just goes to show how really good Robin Day (showing my age) was and as chairman Dimbleby lost the plot and clearly had his own agenda. He should have been sitting oin one of the other seats.
If Dimbleby had behaved in any other way, he would have been accused of being a BNP sympathiser in at least some parts of the media.
Remember, in 21st Century britain, if you do anything but abuse them, you’re automatically a racist – there’s no room for “I dislike them, but agree with the odd one or two of their points”.
You are not alone.
Dimbleby was a disgrace.
I hope this show does both him and the”unbiased” BBC some serious damage.
It’s about TIME the electorate QUESTIONED this organisation.
Dimbleby wrecked the show. A total idiot of a man.
I wanted to form an opinion of Griffin as a politician, I couldn’t because he wasn’t allowed to finish a sentence.
I have decided that he came across as a gentleman, smiling, polite and calm. The rest were hypocrital gobshites.
Well done Nick.
“Out of africa” and that indy article: complete bollocks to link it to this debate.
That article is about homo erectus, and migrations of the other species of hominids. It says nothing at all about events of the last 100,000 years or the origins of any human being.
Homo Sapians came from africa is a “scientific theory” which is pretty damn solid these days with genetic evidence.
I turned off the show when Dimbleby started reading from his charge sheet… I can only suppose he’s been leaned on as he’s approaching retirement. He’s a disgrace to his father’s memory.
Shame she didn’t mention the fact that those that left Africa have much higher IQs’, live in more prosperous and advanced nations, and also mastered such things as metallurgy and cloth-weaving thousands of years before Sub-Saharan Africa did!
While she is poking around the British museum, maybe she can find something to refute that, as well as the fact that ancient Caucasoids managed to travel to the Americas and Far East, and built huge complex structures such as Stonehenge. The most impressive ancient African monument is a pile of mud with sticks in it! And no written language until very recently.
This simple truth would loose you your job if you were a teacher, or in any publicly funded position for that matter. In many respects things have gone beyond what Orwell feared.
You can’t say that! Anyone would think you were interested in the truth!
Actually, the most impressive African monument is a series of fucking gigantic pyramid shaped things near a huge river……
On Indigenous Britons, this from Wikipaedia:
In 1996, Bryan Sykes of Oxford University first sequenced the mitochondrial DNA of Cheddar Man (the remains date to approximately 7150 BC), with DNA extracted from one of Cheddar Man’s molars. Cheddar Man was determined to have belonged to Haplogroup U5a, a branch of mitochondrial haplogroup U. U5a, the specific haplogroup of Cheddar Man, is known to be the oldest truly modern human (not Neanderthal) mtDNA haplogroup in Europe.
Bryan Sykes’ research into Cheddar Man was filmed as he performed it. As a means of connecting Cheddar Man to the living residents of Cheddar village, he compared mitochondrial DNA taken from twenty living residents of the village to that extracted from Cheddar Man’s molar. It produced two exact matches and one match with a single mutation. The two exact matches were schoolchildren, and their names were not released. The close match was a history teacher named Adrian Targett.
Sykes argued that this modern connection to Cheddar Man (who died at least three thousand years before agriculture began in Britain) makes credible the theory that modern-day Britons are not all descended from Middle Eastern migratory farmers, but rather modern Britons are descended from ancient European Palaeolithic and Mesolithic hunter-gatherer tribes who much later on adopted farming.
Mitochondrial DNA is exclusively passed down on the female side which suggests that successive invaders left their mark by rape and pillage, or settled down and married English girls. English girls being very bonny, I rather favour this explanation.
English girls will f*ck any incomer. Just check the number with non-white partners. BTW, the latter is merely an observation supporting the former which is a statement of fact.
She also tried to claim that there is no such thing as a bogus asylum seeker due to the fact that there is no category on the immigration forms for “bogus asylum seeker”
Well does that mean that her tory party will automatically accept ALL asylum seekers? Or can she acknowledge that when “a seeker of asylum” is found to be either lying, or does NOT qualify for asylum, that their claim is BOGUS and they should be booted out immediately?
It is very worrying that the (probable) next government does not accept that there is any such thing as a BOGUS asylum seeker.
You need to read the enlightening ‘Reporting Diversity’, published for journos, for the ‘truth’ on bogus asylum seekers – http://www.communities.gov.uk/documents/communities/pdf/151921.pdf
Try page 24, as its a PDF I can’t cut and paste but its very smug, and very very scary.
Dreadful stuff PondPudding, and we pay the wages of the eedjits who produce this propagandist rubbish – try page 25:
“Who is a fundamentalist? Not just a Muslim. Nor are the majority of Muslims”
Wrong! If they are not Fundamentalist, they are not propeerly Muslim. It’s a *jihadist* religion with little or no room for interpretation – and on the same page is a very misleading ‘translation’ of what Jihad means!
To think journalists of all people are being force-fed such stuff Jesus wept
As the Romans, and Greeks before them, discovered, that is always the problem with freeing slaves, they get ideas above their station.
boo hoo tron, nick got picked on boo hoo hoo!
fuck off you wanker. top boy gets attacked by dozens and dozens of trolls every day of the fucking week.
if you can’t take a bit of rough and tumble then you are on the wrong blog you lightweight.
fuck off you tit and take your bullying sob stories with you.
you fucking retard.
At least Tron has mastered basic syntax.
boo hoo hoo.
stop fucking moaning you silly c’unt.
you fascists are really bad losers.
take your defeat like men, not mice.
Syntax my good man. Don’t you understand ?
now you are just repeating yourself.
DOH!
my syntax is first class. you do not understand the meaning of the words you use you fucking dullard.
but you are a racist and racism is based in ignorance so I am not surprised by our stupidity.
it is not your fault you are so dim, your parents must have been thick too.
Tat,
Learn how to debate rather than ranting incoherently you ignorant little simpleton, and then you might get less abuse.
I am top boy and I will do as I please.
if you do not like it why don’t you fuck off?
tat you are a fucking boring spamming arsehole. with an inferiority complex ‘top boy’ — fuck off and get a job.
Couldn’t agree more. Griffin didn’t get much of chance but I don’t think it really matters.
I would like to to see that shifty Jack Straw stand up to such a biased battering though. Remember how he he told us that under no circumstances would the hijackers at Stanstead be allowed to remain? They’re all free in this country now – funny that
Ah yes that Jack Straw. What an honest fellow he is!
I liked the bit where Nick Griffin said that his Dad had fought in the RAF while Straw’s Dad had been in jail (presumably for refusing to fight? anyone got any info?) – Straw’s face was a picture.
I agree that was very funny. Do you think Jack Straw is so keen on wars because his daddy sat out WW2? Probably…
However i thought the Baroness was the only one to come out of the debate looking credible. I thought her line on immigration was bang on.
That was probably the best bit of the show. Straw was very shaky all the way through.
Straws Father left his mother to bring him up at a very early age so it’s hardly the killer line the BeanPies thought it was.
Loftus, she clearly said that there is no such thing as bogus asylum seekers. Are we to extrapolate from this that a future tory Government would automatically allow ALL asylum seekers indefinite leave to remain, regardless of the merits (or lack thereof) of their case?
She blew the tory policy on immigration to smithereens in that one statement!
The tories are NOT credible on immigration!
One thought, did Straw’s father remain a pacifist after Russia joined the war?
So Jack didn’t like the “Far Right” did he? I think you will find that a Certain JS was a rabid Marxist in his past who was happy with what went on in the USSR. Stalin killed more people than Hitler.
Either way putting Nick Griffin on QT was a wonderful way of deflecting attention away from the shortcomings of the three main parties. Good move, Chris, Sayeeda and Jack!!
“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”
You’re going to have your work cut out for you here, Jesus.
At least Jesus is English.
Sorry Guido I disagree with you.
Griffin gave a reasonably good account of himself and clearly rattled Jack Straw with the line about Jack Straw’s father being imprisoned because he wouldn’t fight the Nazis at a time when Grffin’s father was a member of the Royal Air Force.
Furthermore five panellists (six if you include Dimbleby) plus a very hostile mob (audience) all baying for Griffin’s blood was hardly a fair fight yet Griffin survived and did OK in the circumstances.
have to agree – I thought the comment about Straw’s father was brilliant. You could have heard a pin drop after Griffin made that remark. It shut Straw up too.
I think that he made a fair point about getting our crew out of Afghanistan and letting the islamic boys do their thing, in their countries, and not piss on each other.
After that it just turned into a one hour character assassination. No mention of Lisbon, EU sponsored sell-off of GPO, MPs expenses – in fact anything.
The Tory bird actually made the point that BNP was doing well because the Big Three were not addressing issues that were directly affecting people. A start if the Tories follow through.
“follow through” as in shit themselves, you mean?
Off-Gridder.com Nominates BNP Nick Griffin for British Man Of The Year 2009 – For Getting Ordinary British People Interested In Politics
Yeah, but She clearly said that there is no such thing as bogus asylum seekers. Are we to extrapolate from this that a future tory Government would automatically allow ALL asylum seekers indefinite leave to remain, regardless of the merits (or lack thereof) of their case?
She blew the tory policy on immigration to smithereens in that one statement!
The tories are NOT credible on immigration!
No that doesn’t mean that all asylum seekers will allowed to remain, what she was saying was that the term bogus asylum seekers is irrelevant, because by saying they are seeking asylum they automatically become an asylum seeker, whether this countries government decides at the time to grant that asylum is another matter entirely. They can still look at the merits of each case and see if granting asylum is justified, if it is not the person can be sent packing.
Your correct you did extrapolate, but you extrapolated into complete fantasy, and not on the basis of what Sayeeda said.
“if it is not the person can be sent packing.”
Which would suggest their claim to have been persecuted was a lie in which case they are bogus asylum seekers. How hard is that to understand?
NO MORE IMIGRATION.MORE REPATRIATION.
Not one friendly question to Nick.
Where were his supporters in the audience?
The closest we got was that large black fellow in the suit.
I don’t think he was BNP, somehow.
Aye , but after that you got a prepared rant from a member of the audience .
I have never seen that allowed before.
In terms of a debate , or indeed Question Time ,the whole thing was crap and I regret being coerced into watching by my husband.
I had a headache by the end since panel members appeared to forget they were wearing mikes and continued to bellow at Mr Griffin.
I read that he was shaking , and I’m not surprised!
A mob outside and in – trying to stop him speaking.
A tawdry ploy by the BBBC in viewing figures and social engineering.
Labour renta mob.
I dont like what griffin stands for one bit, but as with many things in this life you take what you want and leave the rest.
The supposed “anti fascists” were acting more closely like fascists than the supposed “fascists” they were being anti about.
Ironic and right over their ikkle heads bless em.
Strange that they dont shout their mouths off when Abu hamza and his ilk spout their anti world propaganda in the middle of the street?
Where are the anti fascists then?
Having a lie in or off to cash their giros perhaps. Lazy soapdodging Huntz.
BBC did themselves no favours last night by allowing what they did, it wasnt “question” time, it was “let the audience act like a bunch or rabid fuckwits” time.
And who gives a flying fuck whether griffin likes his shit pushed back or not?
Mandleson loves it and you dont hear any criticism of him in that regard, but then again, maybe the people drawing attention to such “facts” are of a similar nature and do themselves venture deep into brazilian territory?
Question time? Bollocks.
Griffin was awful, his wors ever media appearance.
I’ve never seen a question time before where the chairman constantly attacked one guest. What about questions on the topic of the day such as expenses or banks?
What;s this about Jack Straw’s dad refusing to fight the Nazis?
Agreed, the programme was utter crap, abandonment of normal format, just attack/defence of Bee N P/Griffin, little or no policy discussion. Why big up Bee N P/Griffin by making the whole show about them? Ridiculous.
Yep, Jack Straw’s father refused to go to war and was sent to prison, and he’s of Jewish descent. Obviously the vile victimisation of other Jews didn’t matter to the nasty little traitor, even if his son does play the jewish card when it suits his agenda.
The Zionists have always got others to do the fighting and dying on their behalf. Look at what happened in the Warsaw Ghettos, where it was the Zionist leaders that were rounding up the Jews to hand over to the Nazis.
BTW, Not all Jews are Zionists, and not all Zionists are Jews.
Was Jack Straw’s father a Marxist just like Jack? If so, then it shows that Straw senior put the political alliances of the Soviet Union (Ribbentrop-Molotov) ahead of the survival of the country in which he was residing or sheltered i.e the UK. Come to think of it, Straw junior doesn’t much like England and the English either. What did Jack Straw say about the English not being a race worthy of surviving – or words to that effect?
Agreed. The audience didn’t seem to understand that their smug liberal views are precisely the reasons why many poor, working-class Brits feel betrayed – and vote BNP.
Indeed. Unrepresentative audience own goal.
The audience was an accurate representation of how the UK is – generally left of the middle. This is why we have turned our backs on tory crooks since 1997. Sure they provide us all with the odd disbelieving laugh (moat cleaning etc) but they are completley irrelevant to a huge majority of the country. Their representative on QT was appalling and pailed into insignificance when compared to Jack Straw who was statesmanlike and back to his best. I genuinely hope Jack gets appointed Home Secretary again after the next election. He wasnt bad in the role and with a decent PM (eg not Blair!) who gives a bit more autonomy to his ministers (eg Brown), I think he would turn things around there.
So the UK is 33% non-white, with the rest made up of spotty right-on students?
If it isn’t now, ZaNu will make sure it soon is!
Jack straw said we could absorb at least another 5 MILLION imigrants.
Rory,
you deluded fool. An accurate representation of UK today, not one person in the audience over 30.
Go back and watch the program
BBC colluded with the bunker to dominate news agenda, what’s being buried?
Reality, you are a typical narrow minded tory (thankfully you are a dying breed), using insults as opposed to facts. There were many in the audience who were over the age of 30. Its you who is deluded – there is no conspiracy theory. Brown works all hours to drag the country through the worst recession since the Great depression and he is turning things around. The Tories would be more likely to want to manipulate the news agenda in order to delay people realising that they are the DO NOTHING party!
Go back to tractor statistics. This is so obviously a SPAD writing.
You are clearly a stooge for the Labour party that your post is embarrasing.
Fact – there was just a little bit too much hype pre-broadcast for this not to be some form of setting the media agenda. In this instance, only the BBC and the government can drive such hysteria.
You say it would be the Torys who would “manipulate” the news agenda?? WTF they haven’t been in power for over a decade – take a wash and look in the mirror. You clearly aren’t seeing clearly.
My post has had no insults, yours did – fact. Your post is using insults rather than fact.
Grow up and debate maturely, or go away.
Let me just rephrase Rory’s deluded rubbish, better to reflect the truth:
“Brown works all hours to drag the country INTO the worst recession since the Great depression …”
Yes. That’s more like it.
“DO NOTHING party!” – what a pathetically misguided imbecile you are Gordon/Rory. Fact is, if you great, imbecilic hero, Mcdoom&Bust had “done nothing”, we would all be much better off.
Just remember the prophetic song by the Hollies, predicting the rise of McBust over 40 years ago:
He’s a man with a curse
He’s King Midas in reverse.
“Reality, you are a typical narrow minded tory (thankfully you are a dying breed),”
The typical response of the smug left wing would be bully who really does have no clue about anything. If your precious labour party are so popular, why such low turnouts at the polls in recent times?
Your spin is so naive it’s amusing you silly little boy.
Rory – you are talking nonsense. The country does not consist of as many immigrants as were in the QT audience. And did you notice that ALL the questions (bar one) were asked by immigrants whether they were asian, african or south african? The one white english man who asked a very pertinent question about immigration was immediately sidelined and the camers zoomed in on a lesbian who just spewed forth her bile about Griffin.
It was biased, unfair and a character assasination on Griffin – no doubt manipulated behind the scenes by the evil Mandelson and his scared and cowardly nulabour sycophants.
The real fascists on last night’s QT were the henchmen and bullies in the audience.
I’m also glad that Straw was exposed for the utter fool he is. He’s also clearly inherited his war dodging father’s cowardly genes. I wonder what Straw thinks about having a father who refused to fight against nazism? Places him in a very difficult situation.
Look you dim wit, your hero Brown has NOT turned things around as you seem to think. What he has done is printed £175 billion which is swilling around at the moment. All that has done is postponed judgement day which will now be a lot worse when it does happen. You clearly have no economic nouse or understanding of the finances of this country.
Labour are a bunch of incompetents and they know it; this is why they are so scared of the BNP taking their share of the vote. After all the destruction caused by labour, I find it surprising that any clear thinking human being could possibly vote for these duplicitous and bigoted bunch of hoons.
I don’t mind using insults against a traitorous, imbecilic, marxist fucking bastard like you, ‘Rory’. You fucking idiots have set this country down a path where many, many people will suffer terribly.
you just used ‘Jack Straw’ and ‘statesmanlike’ in the same sentence. lmao
The audience was absolutely not representative of most people I know. We are not racists but are very concerned about out-of-control immigration into this country.
Not securing the borders of the country is one of the most fundamental failings possible for a government.
The audience was not representative at all, where were the Northern voices of Burnley, Blackburn and Barnsley. It was all Islington or West London!
I’m fairly sure QT is a show that travels around the country. This was a London show. Hence the guests were probably mostly from London.
Surreal comment
JS has lost control of the inner cities with the police force in some parts of London becoming a paramilitary army. He used his influence to get is kid off a hard drugs charage, lost control of the borders and has reduced the probation service to a paper pushing irrellevance through NOMS.
Dont confuse zanulab spin with delivery
Another thing that got my goat was Jack Straw reading out quotations that Griffin had said, then challenged him to deny he had said those things. hmm, I seem to remember his esteemed leader, one Gordon Brown prattling on about Labour investment vs Tory cuts, and then recently denied ever saying anything of the sort! You couldn’t make it up, unless od course your are a labour politician.
Oh and one more point. How many in the audience, or protesting outside the studio, actually bothered to get off their backsides and VOTED in the local and European elections? It is peoples inaction, laziness, and ignorance that allows people like Griffin to get a foot hold in politics. If more people had dragged themselves away from their f*cking televisions and cast a vote, perhaps, Griffin would not have gained a seat as a MEP!
What dope are you on Rory, or are you utterly delusional?
What a loads of old bollocks RORY. Straw statesmanlike you must be one of the 26% who are still brainwashed that or on benefits. What an asshole.
Last night’s programme showed Jack Straw as the bumbling confused man that he is.
Huhne the hoon came across as idiotic and even more like Dave from The Royal Family.
Griffin has a couple of good lines but his true colours come out when he starts ranting about holocaust conspiricy on numbers , radio intercepts etc… idiot.
The audience was an accurate representation of how the UK is – generally left of the middle. This is why we have turned our backs on tory crooks since 1997. Sure they provide us all with the odd disbelieving laugh (moat cleaning etc) but they are completley irrelevant to a huge majority of the country. Their representative on QT was appalling and pailed into insignificance when compared to Jack Straw who was statesmanlike and back to his best. I genuinely hope Jack gets appointed Home Secretary again after the next election. He wasnt bad in the role and with a decent PM (eg not Blair!) who gives a bit more autonomy to his ministers (eg Brown), I think he would turn things around there.
In an attempt to head off continuing rumours about Griffin’s bisexual past, and in particular Griffin’s failure to sue his alleged former lover Martin Webster, deputy to Tyndall in the 1970s NF, and The Sunday Times and Searchlight who reported the relationship, Lecomber has repeatedly posted messages on a BNP Internet discussion board turning attention onto Tyndall. In deeply homophobic terms, Lecomber questions why Tyndall failed to oust his former deputy when he obviously knew of his gay relationship.
ANY WORD ON BROWNS FORMER LOVER.
Rory’s comments show just how out of touch he and his smug student politics are.
“Churchill was a fucking cu.nt who led us into a pointless war with other whites standing up for their race”. B&P Director of Publicity
Are you fucking mad?
Only someone employed by the Liebour Party could spout such rubbish.
It’s just because there are so many idiots like you that we need an ENGLISH parliament, and let the Celts look after themselves. The English didn’t provide a left-of-centre vote at the last election (nor iirc the one before tha)t! The English returned a Tory majority. I’m fed of up being governed by foreigners (ie the Scots) who encourage us to be flooded with alien cultures, when it barely effects them. It’s their revenge I suppose. But we don’t have to put up with it.
It looked like Nick didn’t have enough facts at his fingertips. He could have batted off those quotes thrown back at him by blaming it on a misguided youth and compared it to all the “reformed” Commies on the Labour front bench.
When Jack Torture proudly claimed that he was the son of immigrants then Nick should have piped up that that was a good enough argument against immigration in itself.
I also think the programme was craftily edited by the Beeb – Stumblebum almost had Warsi on the hook with her unenlightened (according to the Beeb) attitudes to homos but he let her go. Also ignored a comment from I assume a BNP member who rightfully asked why we were allowing so much immigration when we had such high unemployment – esp. third world trash.
All in all, a bit of a witch hunt, v. boring and I switched over to Curb after 20 minutes – classic!
Must make the BBC look good
I am not deluded, a student, or on benefits. Blaming the state of our finances on GB is deluded in itself and I’ll tell you why;
The recession is due to external factors most notably the US sub prime market. Browns actions as chancellor has actually left us as the best prepared nation to deal with the recession. And before you all start foaming at the mouth and banging on about GB selling gold at low prices – sadly that needed to be done as the previous tory government hadnt diversified the uk porfolio
I’m guessing you are about 16 years old. If not, god help you.
Is it a slow afternoon in the mental hospital?
If the recession is ‘due to external factors” what kind of idiot Chancellor and government would allow our economy to depend on the credit-worthiness of a bunch of trailer park inhabitants?
Rory please have swift pint of reality.
“Well Captain Smith, why did the Titanic sink?”
“Errr.. it wasnae me, it was a big iceberg and it started in America”
Just like the captain, Gordon was warned about what was likely to happen, he knew it was there but he rang ‘FULL STEAM AHEAD TO END BOOM AND BUST’ on the ship’s telegraph and sailed slap bang straight in to a bloody great fiscal iceberg.
Right now, British industry and taxpayers are down below, frantically pumping to save SS Great Britain.
You’ve got just enough time to watch a bit of Cbeebies before milk and bed Rory.
Uncle Gordon is going to read you a bed time story about a brave Tractor and how it ploughed on through the tough times, while doing his jolly very best for the hard working British people. It must be great to believe in fairy tales.
Night night.
Frankly we despair of the bovine British public – at least those at the BBC Centre last night – and its public broadcaster.
This was an orchestrated format which will prove to play into the hands of the BNP. Most Brits have an innate sense of fairness and a support of the underdog and those showing guts in the face of the bully boy.
We support conservative values and are no supporters of Mr Griffin’s party but we, at least, wanted to hear his views on the mainstream topics of the day so the electorate can judge for itself and sift the best of his ideas – as we do with those of all parties – and use them for the common good.
Shame on the producers and shame on the usually excellent David Dimbleby for stooping to this pathetic pandering to bigotry!
“Excellent Dimbleby” – give me a fucking break, he is an establishment parasite.
He is. He grew up just along the Common from me and I went to (private) school with his sister Sally.
He, and his brother are upper-upper middle class and always have been… his belated attempts to get in the groove and play his Beeb masters’ tune are at best unconvincing and at worst just a performance so he gets his final salary pension without the sack. His father would be ashamed. I wonder how many mini-Dimbleby’s are waiting in the wings ready to carry on the dynastic business.
Here’s a comment on the Daily Mail I think everyone should see – especially Nick!
Quote:
I was in the QT audience last night. Before we went into the studio for filming we were held in a holding room. (I was in there for over two hours) I was on my own and was never aware you could get multiple tickets. I arrived early and it became very obvious that groups of people were arriving who new each other. I spoke to three different people who worked for an agency who supplied audience people for the BBC.
Before the show the Chairman of the panel came into the holding room and encouraged us to boo and shout if we did not agree with certain things that were said by the panel. He said as we had Griffin on the show, we don’t want to miss an opportunity.
This was an organised stitch up by the BBC.
- Peter, Oxford, Oxfordshire, 23/10/2009 10:56
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222331/B…
It was the same old same old, Lord of the Flies politics. No change.
And it showed.
To someone called ‘Nell’ further down the comments list :
I imagine the Chinese currently ethnically cleansing Tibet by replacement would echo the ‘no such thing as indigenous people’ argument.
But strangely I don’t imagine you would support them.
Let’s imagine the TNP ( Tibetan National Party ) leader ( the Dalai Lama , say) appearing on Tibetan Question Time and saying such awful, terrible , racist , homophobic, illiberal things as ” Help ! We are being swamped by f***ing Chinese …. !! ” and lets’ imagine you baying for his ‘racist’ blood like the rest of the mindless hyenas on QT last night.
I mean, you would have to , wouldn’t you ? Logically speaking ?
Ah but white British working class culture is just so … crap eh ? compared with the exotic Tibetans with their funny clothes. So we can all wring our hearts out about the one & not give a dog’s boll*ock about the other …because… ?
Let’s imagine the poor indigenous Tibetans trying to complain about the cultural tsunami of Chinese immigrants and being told ( by their ‘betters’ ) “Well, it’s easy to see you are a RACIST & you need re-education, and you just don’t understand multiculturalism”
That would be *just fine* eh , nell ? Because, well, Tibetans ( like all of us) are just mongrels and if their culture gets mongrelised that’s just TOO EFFIN BAD for them , right ?
But ( my spider senses tell me ) that’s NOT what you think re Tibet, is it, Nell ?
Or we could deduce ( for eg) that you support Chinese destruction of Tibetan identity by forced immigration, couldn’t we ? Or is it that you are prepared to grant rights to funny people wearing strange clothes on the other side of the world that you deny to white people wearing T shirts & shell suits because * you can allow allow yourself to feel superior to the one but not to the other * ? Because you don’t actually have any feeling for or understanding of the organic , centuries old , cultural identity of this country at all , do you ? (of course, the organic, centuries old cultural identity of TIBET is a precious thing to you, no doubt… )
Too much is too much.
Multiculturalism *doesn’t work*.
How many examples do you need ? Cyprus / Israel / Balkans / Northern Ireland / Zimbabwe / Tibet / …. ?
primary school inter- cultural ‘lovey lovey’ stuff only works to the age of about 6. After that, those at the coal face, the poor, on the racially divided no-hope housing estates , take the friction & the knives & the bullets & the drugs while the well heeled liberal middle classes, safe in their leafy suburbs & county retreats, superciliously bleat on about how ‘fascist’ their own working class is, while working hard to propagandise the plebs into feeling terrible guilt about the way they cannot help feeling.
If something is not done … one day soon the problem will cease to be just a problem that can be sloughed off on the dumb ignorant proles in nasty housing housing estates in places you never particularly wanted to go to and – clean forgotten about while you drift off in your idyllic multicultural fantasies.
People will begin to get hurt.
And if it takes a bigot like Griffin to open up the can of worms no politician dare mention since they saw what happened to Enoch Powell, well, at least he has the courage to say THERE IS A PROBLEM and refuse to shut up till someone in Westminster grows some balls & addresses the issue.
Good for you Dal.
An excellent post, sir. But you forgot about the Uyghurs in Xinjiang; a roughly fifty-fifty ratio with the State-backed Han settlers today, compared with a tiny minority of “official” Chinese (Han) in the 1960s-1970s. I understand that, consequently, al-Qaeda are sniffing around.
Spot on.
How did you get hold of the impartial bbc preferred edit?
How the hell did you even watch it then? Getting the rest of us to pay for your watching enjoyment, eh?
FIRST
Doh!
…well, a Scottish version of first.
He was heavily ganged up on. By panel,host and audience.
Yet he still failed to gain any sympathy.
The problem is he may not have gained sympathy from you,but what scares me did he get any from his intended audience in Stoke all those other places he is trying to get to vote for him.
Let’s hope so.
Absolutely right,all Labours old safe seats like Liverpool,Stoke,Sunderland,Middlesborough,Newcastle,South Birmingham,Leeds etc ,you name it, anywhere old Labour had held a generation on the welfare teat there is a massive sense of jealousy and envy
that newcomers are prioritised for housing (imho thoroughly justified).
The Labour party has always had an abusive relationship with the electorate
using them for political gain in the most shallow ways possible.
In the sixties and seventies us Irish were the cause celebre for the Labour party ,putting us in front of local born people in Roy Hattersleys ward of Sparkhill in the housing queue.As soon as the first wave of asians wanted council housing the shutters went down on the Irish also,they responded by using Right To Buy to exit to a decent area where they voted for the Conservatives ,Some of us however do still vote Labour (not I) as they cannot see that they were imprisoned in social housing with no chance of leaving it had Thatcher not allowed them to buy their way out.
So yes I predict a huge rise in popularity among the entitlement class for the B&P and a lack of decent eduacation (with values) will also be a factor.
I live in Stoke and I have to put up with these BNP thugs and thickos, to my shame. They get their surge in popularity from the disproportionate numbers of asylum seekers and economic migrants foisted onto our area over the last decade, mass unemployment as the pottery industry died, and seeing a burgeoning benefit-dependent underclass seeming to be doing better than people who actually go out and work. Our local council, inept and corrupt, is dominated by Labour to the point that it’s virtually a one-party state, the councillors don’t care, nothing gets done, and the BNP fill in the gaps left by the other parties.
QT was a joke, I stopped taking it seriously after the first five minutes, the audience was entirely trendy multi-cultural London cvnts under 30, and NG was just there as a pantomime baddie. No-one needed to ahve a go at him the way that they did, the stupid fvcker can do a perfectly good job of making an @ss of himself as soon as he opens his fat stupid trap. Typical BNP, all talk, no trousers. God knows how they got elected to the council round here, they are thick as pigsh1t. Some of my neighbours must be even thicker for voting for the cvnts (my father-in-law did and he’s proud of it, the stupid cvnt, he’s a paddy, the BNP would have him back in the Emerald Isle sharpish!)
They’re rubbish in office though, once the BNP get in they do nothing for you either. All they’re doing is using local elections to make themselves look respectable, they don’t give a flying f*ck about the people they’re representing. I turned the hosepipe on the fvckers when they came canvassing. Labour never show up, which is a shame cos I have some spare bricks to throw at them, but I made the nice lady from UKIP a cup of tea.
When will people realise that the BeanP get votes because people exercise their democratic right to vote for them? When people talk about the BeanP as though they are something on the bottom of their shoe, they also denigrate over 1 million voters at the same time. You can continue to pretend that they are scum if you like, but when it hits the fan (believe me, it’s going to) the scum will be the first, last and only line of defense.
Yes and did you notice the heavies sitt on the sides waiting for the trouble to erupt?
“Yet he still failed to gain any sympathy.”
Read the rest of the comments.
“Yet he still failed to gain any sympathy.”
You wanna bet!
You only had to read the texts on Ceefax 155 to see that the majority of texters weren’t on message with the PC Brigade.
A huge amount of support for Griffin; I was amazed that the BBC published them.
A sad night for the sensible voter. Rather than ask Griffin about a range of policies and let him embarrass himself the “useful idiots” (including Dinglebury) went on and on about race. Views on race are already entrenched each way.
All in all a good night for Griffin, sadly.
A very sad day for this country thanks to Dimbleby, Straw and Huhne and Greer
Yes. Very good points here.
or a very funny day for anyone who doesn’t have their head up their arse and knows Griffin only had to deal with some QUESTIONS and not a fucking waterboarding
what a whiny bunch of pussies
poor little Gwiffin can’t come out to play coz they made him answer Questions on the TV and now he’s all saaaad. Boo-hoo-hoo-hooo-hooooo
stop picking on him! it’s not fair! he’s just big boned! he can’t help it!
he’s easily confused and startled by loud noises and bright colours!
I’m the victim! I’m the victim! Feel sorry for me. Boo-hoo-hoo-hoo
I can’t remember the last time I laughed so much at a Question Time or the pathetic but very funny responses personally
Go away tat, you’re just repeating yourself.
He was crap. The BNP need a ‘clean’ leader. Griffin’s odious words uttered and penned over previous years will always weigh heavy around his neck.
It’s a complete shame though as Griffin’s ineptitude and repulsive words only deflect attention from the hugely important issues that only the BNP has the guts to address in this country: uncontrolled mass immigration, the failed muticulturalist project, the rise of militant Islam and absurd political correctness.
If only Warsi and her elitist party had the guts to carry out their promises.
Just about say’s it for me.
Very well written and I agree -probably 90% of the country agree too.
Very well said.
Good and thoughtful summing up, alistewart. Thanks for posting it!
agreed
Well said.
“Nick Griffin came off worst” is such a facile thing to say, since he was the sole target of the show! And anyway, Straw and Warsi hardly shone. I think when the dust settles we’ll discover that the programme had little net impact on BNP support. Some erstwhile supporters will have heard things they don’t like, whilst some people who hadn’t considered supporting them before will have heard things they did like.
I thought Warsi did a good job of chewing him up and spitting him out, ably abetted by Bonnie Greer, who successfully took the piss right out of the smug bastard. Even Huhne wasn’t too bad.
Strawman, as always, just came across as a sanctimonious waffling cock.
Best moment for me was when the West Indian guy in the pinstripe suit called for a cap on immigration – the look on Straw’s face was priceless!
also did you notice straws reply to the “west indian guy in the pin stripe suit” . “well Im from imagrant stock, I dont know if you are? but…….”
He was obviously a white man in disguise.
so what?
he is just copying the lying twats already in westminster……
anyone ever heardone of browns speeches?
If he made a speech with a member of the Klu Klux Klan I’m sure we would have. But those are the nice KKK right ?
They’re almost totally non-violent …. apart from the lynchings
Those scallywags at the KKK. Always with the lynchings
And the beatings, they love the beatings too
And the burning torches and flaming crosses
You gotta put on a show if you wear the fancy dress
British jobs for British workers?
Or we could have the garbage Gordo continually spouts to justify his illegal wars in muslim countries, so he can steal their oil and suck up to the US, and people say the BNP are dangerous!
or we could call Brown and Bliar cun’ts but still call Dick Sniffin a cun’t too. Easy as that.
Isn’t that the same speech & approach that Alastair Cambell used to ‘sell’ NuLabour?
yes!
Isn’t that the same as what nulabour did?
I wish Straw would conscientiously object to BROWN. And then as an apology for his Father resign. That at least would be two gone.
came off worst? Dont think so. He predicted in advance how it would play out and he himself was correct. Comments being most recommended in the Times tonight dont exactly show him coming away as the loser. That’s what happens when you dont debate but ply abstract fury. Warsi lied about her position on civil unions. Straw refused to answer the questions. All in all Id say Griffin came out of that OK. And the stupidity from panel and audience around the question of an indigenous population will have infuriated many watching that tonight. It exposed the liberal multi culti agenda exactly as that – an agenda. Just as much as it exposed the BNP.
He did okay – not the 5m extra voters I predicted but hopefully Pants Paxman can interview Nick again. Seemed QT was aimed at Nick, even the Gately question was popped up just for him for Christ’s sake.
Still, Jack “English ain’t worth pish” Straw should be buried in the North Sea – he is a embarrassment!
CONserveHERself, the baroness Warsi-called??? Well, a lamp has more power than her. Who’d she gobbled for a peerage?
Lib Dem who know? And Bonnie? The only ones who played their part well for the Left was the bloody audience.
GE now.
EU ref now.
Fuck you Gordon 4ever!
Shame he didn’t answer the Gately question honestly as his gay lover Martin Webster could attest. Maybe it was one of those things he didn’t know why he did ?
Sounds like you’re jealous
Homophobe!
B&P Director of Publicity
“Churchill was a fucking cun.t who led us into a pointless war with other whites standing up for their race”
Jack Straw’s performance was, quite simply, a disaster. He will have lost Liabour many, many votes. His hesitance and inability to muster his thoughts was shocking. The man is a pathetic speaker for his party. The fact that he is Justice Secretary shows, once again, the paucity of talent in his fragmenting party.
here here! he’s as bad as GRiffin when it comes to the argument.
BB totally agree with you. Straw has been in government for 12 years in one ministry or another and could not string a sentance together WTF are these people doing in power. Its a total disgrace NOT Griffin who is a nothing but the Nulabour failed experiment.
I am so bloody annoyed my brain cannot control my fingers of course I mean sentence. With this government in power I need to use spellchecker more often!
Dont fret, know what you mean.
Justice Secretary or Lord Chancellor?
Straw does NOT speak for the vast majority despite what he thinks. Griffin was right when he said “with not so much as a by your leave” meaning we were never asked about immigration and that Black fellow backed him up later on that, – pretty much to the horror of the studio.
Personally, I believe that being British isn’t about colour or background. It is about culture and attitude. Asian type ghetto’s and housing settlements with High Streets appearing out of sync with our heritage and being enforced through political correctness and law is not being the British way.
Sadly if the black guy in the audience who raised concerns about the scale of immigration had been a white guy that audience would have shouted him down. The inverted racism of those people and their indigenous cultural denial were appalling.
But he was black and the audience therefore listened in stunned silence, not knowing in their own prejudice how to handle the apparent disconnect between what he was saying and his colour. The BBC then took away the microphone from his challenges to Straw’s pathetic responses so that we could not hear them.
For me, it summed it all up. Equality and fairness? Bollocks.
Quite.
I have a pal/neighbour who’s originally from Barbados, now working in Immigration. Her views on immigration are not too dissimilar to old Nick’s!
Basically:
Too many worthless benefit scroungers allowed in.
Too many third world people – she means Somalis etc. whom she hates with a passion – probably because her street, which used to be mainly Irish, Jamaican and other Caribbeans is now full of them.
Too many non-Christian, non-English-speaking people allowed here.
I told her one time that she sounded like the B&P, she laughed and said “maybe they’ve got one good idea”. (she mean a cap on immigration).
She and Mr. Pinstripe Suit can’t be the only black Britons who think like that.
Just saying….
He was very poor indeed.I thought such a wily old pro would have made mincemeat of Griffen.Well past it.He’s no caretaker leader.Huhne was even worse.Did the occasion get to them?Thankfully Griffen is never likely to inspire anyone.
Huhne seemed to be full of personal bitterness at being beaten for the Limp Dem leadership & came across very badly IMO. I’d always thought it was a pity he’d been beaten – seeing him last night, I’m no longer sure about that.
Yes, funny no-one asked Huhne about his leader’s past:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/moslive/article-1193693/Id-drunk-I-irresponsible-Criminal-Nick-Clegg-regrets.html
He calls it a ‘drunken prank’ – others would call it arson.
Old nick’s arguments fell apart on QT tonight. I hope the (smart) ones who used their franchise as a protest in EU elections will now come to their senses and disown this blathering clown and use their next vote more sensibly. He’s a waste of space and should be banished to Bavaria.
The BBC treated Griffin like a leper. He has good points mixed in with the usual nonsense. The BBC overreacted to him.
the 3 stooges just did the usual……..nothing will change under them…..more taxes,more money wasted,more britons out of work,more immigration.
griffin showed some balls.
we like that!
Hitler only had one ball, the other is in the vicinty of the Albert Hall so Historians tell us
NIck Griffin has balls on his face. He thinks we should all interbreed so our kids are white …. and probably end up with kids with an eye like his.
Pathetic.
Since when did having a glass eye due to one being lost in an accident become a hereditary thing?
Another thing Brown and Griffin have in common!
He sure did. What a brave guy knowing panel members,chairman, audience and a mob outsude were braying for his blood. I think that you Guido would have sat all evening in the lavatory.
Ya know, as someone who considers himself one of the few intelligent people in the country, there was a lot uncomfortable with that edition. I felt as if I was watching a Jeremy Kyle.
Why weren’t they asked about Karzai and the vote rigging in Afganistan, or the postal strike and Mandelson’s snub to the union, or the Guardian’s piece about the exaggerated numbers of sex trafficked women. Seriously.
If you were as intelligent as you think then you would have been expecting a programme heavily trailed and featured on all the News centred around Dick Sniffin to mainly BE about Dick Sniffin.
It’s back to usual next week unless some MPs expenses blow up again.
(not beyond the realms of possibility)
I agree. This was not QT as we know it, but an exercise in Griffin-baiting. Meanwhile Royal Mail is practically history.
Next week’s edition is a test run to see if a Ladysmith Trougher of Redditch will wash with the public.
Because Griffin has become a useful “Hate Figure” to unite and distract the electorate from the incompetence of this Government. Good Day to bury Bad News never had so much resonance as today.
Sayeed Warsi didn’t, as some in CCHQ feared, screw up…
Well maybe if you ignore her claim that there is no such thing as a bogus asylum seeker.
‘no such thing as a bogus asylum seeker’
Quite, and slippery Jack proves that there is, his family, a father who would not fight the nazis and himself a dedicated communist with a file held by the security services, but coming over all softly softly, Mr Reasonable.
So you’re saying Straw is a disingenuous, devious c*nt, are you?
Good.
You got that right.
I almost laughed at that one! Someone coming from Iraq or Afghanistan or some other muslim-created hell-hole has to cross at least seven countries designated as ‘safe’ before he arrives in the UK and hands in his claim for asylum, and benefits. There is no such thing as a bona fide asylum seeker in this island by dint of geography. Fortunately for Hamed, Mustafa and their mates, there is no such thing as an indigenous people in the UK nor in any other country where whites live, although blacks are indigenous to Nigeria, Mali, Senegal etc. Are whites indigenous to any land on the planet?
I’d rather have educated intelligent immigrants than a bunch of ugly inbred white slime, or rather, the average griffin supporter, STOP pretending they are the source of your problems, GRIFFIN does not represent ME or any other white person with any sense..
I don’t like fascists, I’d rather we just got rid of the fascists, we could repatriate them to the sea, where they, like every other vertebrate on earth originally came from.
Indigenous is a USELESS term
CELTS ROMANS ANGLES SAXONS VIKINGS NORMANS etc….
And if you ACTUALLY look at your DNA, you’ll find that NONE OF YOU ARE AS FUCKING WHITE AS YOU IMAGINE.
CELTS ROMANS ANGLES SAXONS VIKINGS NORMANS etc….
Every last one of them European and caucasian (that’s a fancy word for white, anonymong). The last invasion of these Isles prior to the current one was in 1066. By white Christians. There were only about 5,000 of them.
‘I’d rather have educated intelligent immigrants than a bunch of ugly inbred white slime, ‘
Who’s the hate criminal now? Change the word ‘white’ to ‘black’ and get modded at least, arrested at worst.
Neat.
If only these people would realise that the eussr AND MASS immigration go hand in hand, the eU ELITES KNEW long ago the Indigenous Europeans would never surrender sovereignty.
So the decision was taken to get rid.
Incidentally, have you ever watched the Film the Time machine by HG Wells, that story’ where humanity splits in two, the evil Morlocks ruling over the passive ( passified ? ) Eloi.
Old Mr Wells also wrote a book called ‘the new world order’ in which he predicted, millions will die protesting the new world order’
“Indigenous is a USELESS term”
That may, or may not be true; it depends purely on the timescale that’s used, and that’s the whole point of the argument.
The Aborigines are indigenous to Australia when it comes to a pretty fucking long timescale; if the Australian government didn’t even recognise the fact that the Aborigines were on the land before the convicts’ relatives arrived, then that’d be unfair/false.
The Aborigines should not be written out of history just because dna has blended over the years. It’s not their fault that people breed, and it’d be unfair to deny them the right to feel proud about the fact that their recent(ish) ancestors were on their land before anyone else.
Go back another 50,000 years or so and you’ll probably find that nobody was indigenous to australia as no humans were there, and you’d have to travel to indonesia or new zealand to find the nearest “indigenous” people that existed.
It’s true that there’s no definitive/single “race” on the planet (if there was then it’d be a “species” rather than a “race”) – but what we do have is clumps of dna which show the geographical history of our ancestors.
I hate Griffin and everything that he stands for, but if someone can stand up and say “I’m black and proud” then someone else should have a right to stand up and say “I’m white and proud”.
We should be allowed to say both or neither. But we should not only be allowed to say one, because that is by its very definition fascist.
Fascism
A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
Oppressive, dictatorial control.
“A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, stringent socioeconomic controls, suppression of the opposition through terror and censorship. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government. Oppressive, dictatorial control.”
We’ll have that.
“and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism”
And the B’n'P can have that.
Fuck you, C’unt!
seconded
So, let me check, unless people share your views exactly they cannot have any sense nor should they view themsleves as indigenous – ‘cos you say that position is worthless? yet you claim Griffin is the intolerant mindless bigot? Hahaha!
The tossers outside the BBC who want Griffin burned are the TRUE fascists. Please study what the term actually means.
said the hitlerite.
Your quite right Straw (Justice Secretary) should have looked out the window.
What a bunch of worthless jackasses you leftists are! Traitors every one of you! I am a proud American without a drop of British in me, but I recognize the very first element in British identity: the English, Scots, etc are racially WHITE. In anthropological argot, ‘Europoids’. How could any of you, even Marxist fools, possibly be so pathetically dumb as to deny the obvious? How have you come to be brainwashed into denying your own national identity, your very cultural heritage?
A person who is not purely, racially white cannot be British. They are merely alien colonists, and need to be expelled from Britain forthwith. You idiots – leftist traitors, ‘conservative’ cowards – have created the conditions for future race war on your once beautiful ‘Sceptered Isle’ (soon to be renamed ‘Sharia Isle”?).
To all Brit patriots may I suggest you begin discreetly compiling lists of any race traitors you encounter, at work, in school, at pubs, etc. Just jot their names down as you discover them. Then when the war for British survival finally comes, make sure you kill them first. Bad as the aliens are, most of them deserve only to be expelled. It is the traitors who must be eliminated, if Britain is to be free and civilized again.
I’ve never been able to get an answer to this one : How does someone who arrives in this country from France claim (and gets) political asylum? What did they escape from? The guillotine?
And that is the real question that desparately needs to be answered. I just don’t understand how France can blame UK for the hordes of “asylum seekers” living in camps outside Calais. Why should this not be THEIR problem, after all, the French authorities let them into France in the first place. And can we not respond by sending them all the non-British criminals that are wandering our streets after they have completed their sentences?
Anyone got an answer?
The answer is that it is politically convenient for the French. They have their own problems with a dead empire, obligations to the people of parts of Africa and immigrant ghettos. However because it is a far more attractive prospect for so many migrants to head for the UK (with more lax controls and better benefits) it is convenient to allow people through as briskly as possible to join the queue. Ergo it is then the UK’s problem not theirs. And everything else is just fibbing.
The answer is to look at why asylum seakers are determined to come to England rather than stay in France.
Can anybody tellu what the differences are between the way the two countries treat asylum seekers?
I think you’ll find that the French see the problem of “asylum seekers” camped out in France as being caused by the fact that the UK is seen by the “asylum seekers” as their destination of choice owing to the benefits on offer in the UK as opposed to France.
I.E. Yes, they have a problem, but it’s caused by UK policies.
Demon, Max & Moley?
Good name for a firm of solicitors.
Or even better in PR and advertising.
Anonymous, comment number 1, you would be a second class citizen in a society of parasitic slugs.
You’re not only a racist but a racist coward.
Here here!
Where? Where?
If you want to say hear, hear, then say so.
Silly Hunt.
you are a fucking Hunt, BNP voters should stop complaining about que jumping war torn immigrants and GET A JOB and TAKE the low wags on offer.
Any idea where I can find a low wag? Sounds appealing.
Would the wag be low because she likes going down?
The best WAGs are wags!
just why is the uk full of immigrants?
we have millions of people out of work……….intelligent ones too……..
but they need re-training………
but our dim govt. says that if you are on the dole then you cannot go to uni because you have to be avaiable for work!!!!!
what work?
filling up the uk is a knee jerk short term reaction to some shortages and an attack on wages……….well the wages are now shit and the jobs have gone……..all those ‘offshored’ will NEVER come back……….
they shit in our faces.
go fnd any job that will take you. stop complaining about wages and put in the hours.
I did like Old Nic’s swipe at Straw’s father.
a. I did not think that Straw had a father.
b. Why did we not know that Straw’s father refused to fight in the 2nd world war?
Maybe its time to ‘out’ all the Labour party Marxists, Commies and Watermelons (Green on the outside Red on the inside) within the Climate change movement.
He didn’t have a father?
This is getting a bit biblical now
If we can blame jack for his dads actions, with that logic our fathers can be blamed for slavery.
Fair enough.
Like father, like son. OK?
Do you think that If Griffin had a drug-dealing son, a sex offending brother and a father that refused to fight in WWII, just like Straw, that it might just get mentioned at some point? Hate Griffin if you like, but please, at least be consistent, hate Straw as well.
Here, hear.
A pedant writes:
It’s ‘Hear Hear’ (originally expressed as ‘Hear him, hear him’.) Pay attention, all you ‘here here’ types.
Hair, Hair
gone tomorrow!
However, if you’re NuLiebore – the drug-dealing son, sex offending brother and a father that refused to fight in WWII are all airbrushed out of the equation. Jack Straw=c**t!
What about Sir Stuart Bell’s son then?
Spot on Seeker.
Slavery was abolished more than 150 years ago in this country – just how old is your father Huntryside alliance?
Bliar, isn’t he Irish now?
Tories don’t believe in democracy anymore than Labour,
they are both pro selling us out to the EUSSR for a few pieces of silver, both pro mass immigtration and both Pro war and the Tories parachuted their woman in – Unlike Nick, no one voted for her seat at this table.
EU Dave bottled it!
“I cannot explain why I used to say those things”
Straw (in possibly the only bit where he he wasn’t useless) called him out on it and said put your money where your mouth is and Fatman hid behind the skirts of some imaginary French and German court jurisdiction in a British Question Time studio which NO-ONE believed for a second and he was roundly mocked and laughed at for this dildoesque performance.
Straw may be Jestice Secretary but his word means nothing, he don’t write our laws, the EU does, he just rubber stamps them.
Idiot. The point is that if anyone questions the holocaust, then they are open to prosecution IF they travel to those countries. That`s how their bullshit napoleonic law system works. Oh, and by the way, it`s coming to this country as well. Our political masters think that common law isn`t good enough for us proles anymore.
If Nick had trusted Jack Straw any negative comment on the Holocaust would have meant he would have been arrested on the continent and possibly suspended from the EU Parliament.
We are fkd
You fool this was a trap laid out for Nick by the politically controlled BBC, they wanted him to speak about the Holocaust (no not the British one silly), so they could edit the bit out where Straw said “i’m the justice minister” (implying he will be immune from EU law), but of course Straw knows he can’t offer this immunity, he is in fact powerless against EU law as it takes precedence over British law, you don’t think the BBC wouldn’t edit Straw’s implied assurances out of the programme? Look what the BBC did when they made a documentry of the Queen, the BBC edited it to make it look like the Queen was storming out of a room when in fact she was walking IN!
Nick never fell for this, otherwise today he would have been arrested and jailed for this and more than likely the Government would have had the excuse to close the BNP down, so ALL political opposition is silenced, Soviet style.
“Churchill was a fucking c.unt who led us into a pointless war with other whites standing up for their race”.
B&P Director of Publicity
poll on Talksports…..’Did the BNP gain credibility on QT?,…result an astonishing 93% said yes!.
Not Question Time, more Lynch Time! The BBC came out of it badly. Nobody came out of this distorted ill informed programme well. God how I hate them all!
Likewise.
My advice is to stop watching QT, or any other product of the MSM, as soon as you can kick the addiction.
Personally I worry about the mental health of people who can actually watch a whole episode of QT without feeling extremely sick. Surely watching a panel of dishonest fools, being mocked by a larger group of even greater fools, should make any normal person want to throw-up.
Why do any of you so called intelligent people still persist in taking what you see on the TV at its face value?
Why do you still trust the BBC to be anything other then the very useful establishment controlled propaganda channel?
Why do you still trust powerless puppets, namely elected or otherwise politicians, to either be telling the truth as they know it, or indeed to have the slightest idea what the truth actually is?
What was it that gave you this trust? Was it the various WW’s, great economic depressions, Labour governments and genocides, they gave us in the past? Surely not.
Or could it be that the vast majority are just a mindless bunch of lazy, and wishful thinking, potentially slaughter house bound cattle? Because you can be absolutely certain that your ruling elites don’t just thing we ALL are, they self-evidently KNOW WE ARE, beyond any doubt whatsoever.
Agreed. It showed the sneering contempt of the political classes.Grandstanding is easy,dealing with the issues involves self analysis which they will never,ever undertake. I note there were no questions about how the BNP has been allowed to prosper by the inaction and arrogance of the current cabal.
Spot on.
QT was finally outed last night although it had been presaged by Dimbleby’s boot licking of Harman on a recent programme.I personally do not like Griffin or his party but trying to watch a staged audience and panel indulging in a “we hate nick more than you do show”left me with the distinct feeling that QT had been hi-jacked by Hanging Judge Jeffreys.
What a complete farce this programme hs become.
Steady on, chaps. Aren’t we taking the BBC a little too seriously here? The BBC is not a serious news or current affairs outlet.
The BBC is simply one of the propaganda arms of a royalist British intelligence faction. This gang is pushing the fear agenda in order to make it possible to introduce freedom-restrictive, government-serving legislation. Fomenting racial tension is their nursery game. They love the Griffin party poppers.
And they are influential; they got the BBC to kill David Kelly.
Lay in bed listening to Toady R4, recession over will be announced later this morning.
Get up, ablute, put Sky on, different world, recession enters it’s 6th quarter!
The timing of B&P appearing on QT very relevent
To suggest any ‘debate’ took place last night is laugable
Only when necessary
Shakira was on another channel.
Wow, watching that woman move that arse!
And the audience was not hand picked either!!
Does that include Eco-Dave ?
you are a Hunt…. BNP voters should take the jobs on offer. STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT WAGES AND FIND A JOB.
Tonigth is the first time iv watched to bbc in 2 years ….
it will be 2 more year before i wacth once more
The QT was a left wing FIX.. Talk about RENT a audience
Back to Sky for you, then, I take it.
I didn’t watch the programme for the simple reason that I went to bed before it started, and for the even simpler reason that I don’t have a telly. Two courses of action I can strongly recommend.
Atlas (above) may only be operating on 115 Volts, but he’s right about the MSM and the shite they spray into the atmosphere 24/7. Don’t watch it, don’t pay the BBC.
Sky is not much better. Rupert still covering his options and the reporters mainly out of the same BBC school of wishy washy pinko crap.
Is some if the gross over-reaction to the British National Partay that they are national socialists while much of the rest are international socialists, and the latter are terrified the public will spot the similarities and find proper conservatives, proper liberals and proper socialists to vote for?
It’s surely a distinct lack of ideas that rather than discussing major issues and rather than beating the British National Partay with well thought out policies and plans the others simply gang up on the fat kid? I’d be surprised if it garners any sympathy for Nick Grifter and his chums but it certainly makes the others look bereft of ideas and very, very desparate. Put simply – haven’t they got any better ideas? Have they got any ideas at all?
It’s no wonder apathy is gaining support.
‘It’s no wonder apathy is gaining support.’
I was going to reply to that, but I can’t be bo…..
Is it just me who found the continual accusation from the lib-lab-con trio that Nick couldn’t be trusted … that he was putting a positive spin on things whilst keeping his true intentions hidden … just a teeny-weeeny-incy-wincy bit hypocritical?
Sorry, they didn’t do enough to pursuade me not to vote Bee & Pee next GE.
just should not have to pursade you, you can do that yourself by doing that cray activity the BNP white working class avoid so much…. READING
Were you a friend of the Krays?
I’m sure they’ll cope without your vote..
Disgusted by the biased audience and the panelists. Why do the panelists have to shout when they speak to Griffin? What do they try to prove? There are voters who chose the BNP even if the panelist and David didn’t want to admit. One of the most biased programmes this year.
“Sayeed Warsi didn’t, as some in CCHQ feared, screw up…”
Are you fucking kidding me? She claimed there was no such thing as a bogus asylum seeker (!) and when she claimed to support civil unions for gay men she looked really shifty
She struck me as an over promoted joke
‘and when she claimed to support civil unions for gay men she looked really shifty’
That’s because she knows that if she gives that her support, she’s in for a stoning when her lot get into power, as they will eventually and I don’t mean the Conservatives!
Yes if Baroness Warsi (the youngest Peer in the Lords) is the best the Tories have then they are seriously in trouble ahead.
I thought she came over as quite a nice young lady.
Me too.
Me too – I thought she was witty and amusing, and she did do a number on Griffin while not neglecting to make Straw look bumbling and stupid.
In fact, she and Bonnie Greer (who was really hamming it up) were more effective by far than Straw and Huhne.
I’d give her one – but she would have to wear a gag.
I was watching a different show to you then as I thought she came across quite well. Each to their own.
a la Jackbooty Smiff you mean?
Guido you are giving the programme too much credit by suggesting Griffin came off worst. The whole programme was an aberration. I don’t have much time for the BNP but I would have like to have heard Griffin’s arguments. There was so much interruption by the othe panellists and by Dimbleby that it descended into farce.
Jack Staw came over as a dodderer. Long complicated arguments that never got to the point. I do agree that the Tory woman seemed to know what she was talking about. The lady of from the British Museum behaved more like one of their exhibits.
Didn’t watch it.
you’re own blog is not with you guido.
>you’re own blog is not with you guido
I agree. Also I wonder aloud if guido actually watched QT… even in part? Personally I don’t think that he did.
It is like the critic who wrote a play review for the NYT and failed to mention that the theatre burnt half way through the performance. The NYT print run printed his review without knowing about the fire. Turned out he hadn’t even attended the play. He was fired.
>He was fired.
Just like the theatre!
Didn’t they also have some guy, a Pulitzer Prize winner no less, who filed terrific stories which were found to be complete fiction?
They fired him too.
May as well fire all journalists, it’s all bollocks anyway.
Then there was Vaz who didnt need to view Fitna to know what it was about
Ha, ha, ha, Griffin looked exactly like the deviant shifty boogra that he and his fascist scum are. The fact that others up there are deviant shifty scum as well is hardly the point. Yes they are, but he’s fascist deviant scum. Hitler described the Queen Mum as ‘the most dangerous woman in Europe’ after she’d conspired to bring down a pro-fascist monarch, let’s hope that the British establishment (by far from my favourite group) have a similar attitude to this creature with less intellect than a common garden slug. Hell, Guido did far better on Newsnight than Griffin managed here.
Straw was the shiftiest by far. Shame that Hain wouldn’t go on; an extra degree of shiftiness plus a faux fist fight. Imagine the viewing figures. People might even forget the recession.
Fell asleep myself. now half two in the morning and time for proper bed. Probably saw the first 10 min before the Zs took over.
Yawn.
I do hope My Anonymous (numbered as First commenter) is being sarcastic.
Labour Socialists wreak these repressions and the consequent poverty that comes from stifling free enterprise, not immigrants or those belonging to smaller religions or races. Jack Straw is a Trotskyite and irreligious. Little Nicky’s political prescriptions all entail less freedom for us, not more, and so is identical to the Labour menace.
Would to God that the Tory party espoused during this next election policies which were, well, Tory.
The smug self-righteous audience has probably played into griffin’s hands in the eyes of a lot of the wider electorate, because they acted like kids ganging up on a weakling in the playground and jeering at him without listening to anything that he said.
Granted most of what he said was utter shite, but some aspects of what he says do need to be debated and can’t just be swept under the carpet with a left-wing “not going there. la la la. I can’t hear you” mentality.
The left wing panel/audience kept on saying “there’s no such thing as indiginous people” – but here I agreed with griffin when he said “really? tell that to the american indians or the aborigines”. It was a perfectly valid point, but the audience/panel refused to admit the logic on that point was reasonable.
It’s that kind of blanket refusal to even consider anybody else’s views on anything which is the left-wing’s downfall, and that’s why griffin’s picking up votes. If the left wing just said “you’re right on point a, but you’re wrong on point b, and here’s why….” then the bnp would have no votes.
The left wing are still shooting themselves in the foot on this one; by pretending there are no problems they’re exacerbating those very problems because it gives griffin some lines of argument which most reasonable people can see is true but which the left wing flatly deny.
Griffin thrives on this because it means he can put forward one argument which is reasonable and self-evident and which the other parties just flatly and illogically deny (which then puts the electorate on griffin’s side), and then use that to put forward other arguments which are full of shite and lies.
Tell someone the truth and they’ll listen to you next time when you lie. That’s how griffin’s managed to get votes. Labour are too fucking stupid to realise that.
I hate griffin and all that he stands for, but for fuck’s sake can’t the other parties at least use rational argument instead of just sticking their fingers in their ears and going “la la la. I can’t hear you” ?
Time will tell, perhaps they will have picked up another million ex labour voters.
Funny how ‘far right’ is hideous and bad, but ‘far left’ is attractive and nice. Perhaps it is who the murder rather than how many!!
Brillo summed it up on This Week – this has done the BNP no harm with its core vote. All they will have seen is the fat, sweaty guy who leads the only party they believe has the balls to stand up for the rights of working class white people getting kicked about on live TV by a hostile and unbalanced audience, a partisan host and a panel interested in scoring easy points.
I’m not saying that’s the way I see it but that’s the way I believe it will have gone down in the council estates of Bromley, Burnley and Bolton. The BNPs core vote are thick. They don’t read broadsheets daily. They possibly don’t read ever. They don’t mix with other cultures in any way. They won’t eat ‘foreign muck’ on their once a year holiday to Benidorm and they probably don’t know or care the finer points of the Koran. All they see is increasing numbers of people with different coloured skin to them, wearing weird clothes, talking with ‘funny’ languages, moving into areas nearby. That worries them. They get a load of hot air from Labour (you could have inflated a bouncy castle with the stuff from Jack Straw tonight) and go out and vote BNP because the imagery and rhetoric of ‘The Battle For Britain’ resonates with their view on what they see happening.
The polices of McDoom and B-liar put Nick Griffin on TV tonight, not Nick Griffin. It’s little wonder that they wanted to stop him as it highlighted more about Labour’s failures than it did about the loony policies of the BNP.
In other news, I thought Huhne came across reasonably well if a little hysterical and in my view would make a better leader than Prefect-turned-Head Boy Clegg. Warsi did well, although I can’t help being reminded of an Asian Daphne Moon from Frasier when she starts talking….
Greer was just, well, meh. Jack Straw got to peddle his stock answers and has the most appalling teeth I’ve seen on a politician when he gave a big grin to that woman that pulled him up over the ‘Afro Caribbean’ description. Dimbleby is a good chairman, but allowed himself to get pulled too far into the audiences’ thirst for blood.
And Nick Griffin? He was out of his depth, big time and was handed his arse on a plate generally, but and it’s a bit but – that only helps him play the victim card on this particular occasion.
‘The BNPs core vote are thick. They don’t read broadsheets daily. They possibly don’t read ever.’
And they don’t watch Question Time at 10.30 on a Friday night either!
Or Thursdays even
@ownedbymandy
Sorry, but as someone who has lived in Bromley for 25 of the last 35 years, I’d be interested for you to advise me as to where this big BNP hotbed of activity is. There are of course some deprived parts of the town, but the vast majority of it is inhabited by hard working professionals with about as much interest in the BNP as Jack Straw has in telling the truth. The only party to be represented in parliament for decades has been the Tories – quite how this can be compared to the labour heartlands where the BNP vote thrives really is beyond me.
The line now peddled by New Labour and mouthed by Straw on Q.T.is that to suggest any limit on U.K.population would be to deny the rights of people to have babies.This seeks to deflect from the contribution of mass uncontrolled immigration and is an abysmally pathetic spin.Woolas has made similar comments and Johnson has remarked that he will lose no sleep at the prospect of the population reaching 70 million. So these evil buggers are trying to destroy the country.
Griffin and the others on the panel should have picked up on Straws point of when he said something like “we have introduced a points based system like Australia”….
er yes, and so what….because that didn’t and won’t stop people from other EU countries still coming to the UK, as they have automatic rights of entry and do not have to pass any points based system. Most of the 700,000 (?) immigrants came from EU countries rather than non EU countries. Isn’t that so?
Be careful not to confuse two very different groups of people. There are those who follow the rules, adhere to the procedures, apply for permission to live in the UK, are qualified, decent, hard working.These are mostly from the EU. These are called immigrants. Then there are those who hijack planes and claim asylum, or those that eat their passports on the plane, or flush it down the bog. These are mostly from the third world. The Gov constantly try to conflate the two to disguise the staggering rate of invasion we are currently experiencing.
Unfortunately your argument falls down somewhat when you examine the place of birth of many of these “europeans” I think if you delved a little deeper you would find a good percentage of the people choosing to settle in Britain from other European countries were not born in Europe.
Don’t think that I was arguing for immigration from anywhere, EU or not. I was merely pointing out one of the underhand tactics the Govt use to try to persuade us that the equivalent of a city the size of Brum is not moving into the UK every 4 years when it quite clearly is.
That seems to contradics Labours plans to sterilise British schoolchildren, Dawn Primorolo Daily mail.
How do these fuckers manage to square the increase in population through immigration with a desire to reduce carbon emmissions particularly by letting third world trash in with lower carbon footprints and immediately increasing that footprint by allowing them to pursue a consumerist lifetstyle in the West.
Total absence of joined up thinking. If you wish to pursue the green agenda then you need to look at reducing our population to a more sustainable level.
What the country needs is reconciliation, but this programme will have just polorised opinion even more than before. I think Griffin did well in terms of his target voters, no matter how badly he may have come across to those who would never think about voting BNP.
I think however that as most of ‘middle England’ still operates with a sense of ‘fair play’ & ‘don’t kick someone when he’s down’ the baying audience, the ‘get Nick Griffin’ questions & the vapidness & hypocrisy of the other MPs comments – I just LOVED Warsi on civil partnerships – not to mention Dimly acting as a Labour attack dog instead of an impartial host – will have actually worked very much in the BNP’s favour. If I was Nick Griffin, I’d have chortled with joy all the way home.
Observations:
1. The audience was 50% hand picked from those outside the BBC, 25% West London BBC middle class lefties, 25% lazy students looking for their own X factor moment of fame. The programme should have gone out from Leicester, Bradford, Oldham, or Burnley to give it a true British audience input.
2. Too many lightweight panelists, each trying to give their own view of british history – right back to the f***ing ice age in one instance. Total distraction.
3. Jack Straw is an embarassment to the Labour Party and an embarassment to Blackburn – the guy is incapable of giving a stright answer, or indeed any answer to a simple question but just responds with bullshit waffle.
4. No one really TESTED Griffin on the current BNP policies, preferring name calling and ranting on about the provenance of years old comments or articles.
5. Long term Griffin or the BNP will go nowhere in national politics, in the short term they are a safety valve that the Labour government makes use of to placate the disowned masses who used to form its core support until they reaslised they were robbing them at the trough.
6. A missed golden opportunity to explore the true nature of the BNP’s immigration policy, both in respect of people still coming here and those already settled, whether they be EU workers, economic migrants, asylum seekers, or bogus asylum seekers.
7. The BNP will dissolve away once the mainstream parties learn the subtle but important difference between racism (which interests only a tiny minority of the UK public) and a robust immigration policy (that the majority of the public wants). Straw was thick on that point, Warsi understands but is powerless.
You think that they’re going to learn #7 !?
God, I hope so!!
No one tested Griffin on BNP Policies, he was deliberatly kept off them, though he did get a few key words in like Usury.
Wonder if any Brits will wonder what it means, and why we Borrow our money from offshore Banks like the PRIVATE Bank of england rather than coi n it ourselves free of charge.
Maybe Im asking too much.
It wasn’t a disaster for Griffin. The British people generally feel some sympathy for the underdog. And in that environment he was most definitely the underdog.
HOwever, a lot of his answers to the quotes and accusations sound thin and implausible.
Nevertheless from his point of view he got some points across. Strongest was the indigenous point – that no one would dare tell the Maoris they weren’t indigenous or quibble about definitions. The politicians and audience, though they scoffed, had no coherent answer to that. But that is precisely where we do need an answer. My answer would be that we live in a political community and you don’t need to be indigenous to be a member of that community – you just need to respect the rules by which we play.
Seems to me that we are controlled, monitored, processed, labelled, fined and just taxed to death and beyond(!) in the UK . Government should not just be this.
Simply put we are no longer Governed.
Anyone care to remember anything good to come out of the Houses of Parliament in the last xyz years? It is just looking inwards and trying to adjust things to do with their own troughing.
That’s the basic problem with what is wrong with the UK now.
Were those the same Maoris who invaded New Zealand and drove out the original indigenous population?
Yea the Moa people were there first, but the Maori’s came along and eat them all. Still at least doing that was carbon neutral.
They may even have ate them all…this is too bloody early for me!
Surely the answer to that is that yes, the Maoris are/were indigenous to NZ. So what? They may well have supplanted some earlier inhabitants, but it’s broadly irrelevant: one would have to be insane to suggest chucking out all the people that had settled since the place was ‘discovered’ by Europeans and leaving the place to the indigenous Maori.
Where does it all end? Do we lob out Huguenots? Normans? Angles, Saxons and Jutes?
Checked the comments on the BBC site and Nick griffin is getting around 75% more support than the rest of the panel combined.
Seems Guido is up to his spin again, as I would consider this a Major win for the BNP, also seeing as their website got 15 Million hits earlier today and 5 million yesterday.
Griffin’s a cock and you’re a cock. That’s 100% true.
“Griffin’s a cock and you’re a cock. That’s 100% true”
Precisely this ignorant heads in the sand dismissive attitude that allows scum like Griffin to make headway in the first place.
Now he’s proved it even to his potential electorate. No one can vote B&P now believing it to be just a protest vote.
BPFTMNTF @ 3:49 AM
In a word, no.
The most current reliable evidence strongly indicates that initial settlement of New Zealand occurred around 1280 CE. Previous dating of some Kiore (Polynesian rat) bones at 50 – 150 CE has now been shown to have been unreliable; new samples of bone (and now also of unequivocally rat-gnawed woody seed cases) match the 1280 CE date of the earliest archaeological sites and the beginning of sustained, anthropogenic deforestation.] Māori oral history describes the arrival of ancestors from Hawaiki (a mythical homeland in tropical Polynesia) in large ocean-going canoes (waka: see Māori migration canoes). Migration accounts vary among tribes (iwi), whose members may identify with several waka in their genealogies or whakapapa.
No credible evidence exists of human settlement in New Zealand prior to the Polynesian voyagers; compelling evidence from archaeology, linguistics, and physical anthropology indicates that the first settlers came from East Polynesia and became the Māori. Language evolution studies at the University of Auckland suggest that most Pacific populations originated in Taiwan around 5,200 years ago, as does mitochondrial DNA evidence.
haha, amusing retort.
I have no doubt the metropolitan elite are congratulating themselves over last nights question time. Yes the BNP are racists and extremists, however I have still not heard the acknowledgement that Mainstream policies have failed the white working classes in the regions.
While the status quo remains the BNP will continue to attract votes, becoming further entrenched.
Can I just clarify something.
Is the BNP illegal?
Only if free speech is too…
BNP not illegal but lots of “free speech” is; more so since 1997 but you need to trawl through 3,900 new laws to find out precisely what.
It doesn’t matter what colour you are or what your cultural background is, if you are living in a country where the twats in charge have to borrow £14BILLION in just one month to stop the wheels falling of we are all Fucked anyway.
Is it racist to blame it all on a Brown?
Only if said Brown thing is not English. Why, oh why, is there total confusion between racial and nationalistic abuse. First is not acceptable, second can be understandable in certain circumstances, such as the Brown thing.
Warsi sounded and looked awful, Dave will have to fork out for an image consultant. A woman of her size shouldnt wear a patterned jumper.
Straw was just a windbag.
I’d give her one
I have on many occasions
Unelected…Muslim…..Female…not a good combination.
You are Gok and I claim my five euros.
Funny accent isnt it. Her parents came thousands of miles, and if they’d have made a slightly different choice she’d have a nice surrey accent rather than a very strange yorkshire accent. Even Birmingham would have been better.
Of course Birmingham would be better. Its the largest, and therefore best city in England.
Everyone knows bigger is better.
Yorkshire? Tykes? I shit ‘em!
I read your message doing an impersonation of Nigel Mansell.
Why would anyone give a monkey’s fuck about the opinions of the assembled wankers on Question Time and the BBC approved wankers in the audiance?
Better to retire to bed and have a hand shandy before lights out. Much more entertaining and you will get more sense from your dick’s little head than the assembled dick heads on QT.
YUK! If anyone doubted that the BNP are revolting idiots, they can always wheel you out to prove the point
Slimey Jew? No wonder you prefer to post anonymously, you piece of shit.
Griffin looked and behaved just like any other self-obsessed, one-eyed, chronically insecure, dribbling, decrepid nose-picking politician would have behaved. He was given a golden opportunity to use the ‘we’re all just good English chaps down at the BNP’ and lure/sucker more voters; instead of which he resorted to his usual frothing imbecility.
There was no intelligent comment from DD, the guests or the audience
Griffin is particularly stupid, but he does raise issues that the mainstream will not deal with. Griffin needs to be defeated by debate and the ballot box, not by censorship
Dianne Abbott is a fascist in suggesting people with opposing views should not have a voice
Labours problem is that they have no faith in the British people to make up their own minds
We watched this farce on TV in the pub and most thought it was a disgrace that all the other a……s were allowed to get away with saying nothing apart from getting at NG.
Could his treatment be viewed as RACIST???
If he was black, muslim et al…is sure would have!
Shit programme from a shite company
Jack Straw’s father a Conscientious Objector! The truth comes out. Here is a man, son of a man who refused to fight for his country- sending our young men and women to their deaths and serious injury and I wonder if he has similar views as his father! I note that Dimbleby did not ask him that question.
Bonnie Greer telling us her political correct version of our history and racial makeup. But an American, Deputy Chairman of the British Museum?
Baroness Warsi was the only panel member that came across reasonably.
Chris Hulme was a disgrace. I wonder which one of his seven homes he retired to?
As for Dimbleby. Has anyone seen him attack (that is the right word) a panel member in the way he did show he is a completely useless Chairman. I do hope that we can expect similar attacks on all politicians in all future programmes.
Nick Griffin was under severe pressure. The audience was loaded. There were about ten old people (my generation) in that crowd. So many young people and certainly over 11% of the population of black or asian people.
But I doubt that anyone, Especially you GUIDO, faced with trying to get in to a hall to speak through mobs of hate, with a Chairman who, from the off, was putting his jackboot into you and a panel and audience (I believe almost all handpicked) totally opposed to your every word, would be able to come across cool and calm.
One last comment. One Black lady demanded that she be called an African Carribean!! So she does not consider herself British!!
Overall a one sided programme which gave mob rule and bullying a bad name.
Shame on Dimbleby!
“One last comment. One Black lady demanded that she be called an African Carribean!! So she does not consider herself British!!”
You missed the point.
She was an idiot. Her point was that she didn’t like the phrase “Afro-Carribean” and that it should be “African-Carribean”. She probably thought the former was racist and was making her big point on tv.
And Jack Straw refused to join his School Cadet Force, like father like son.
A Communist at University, a bullshitter on many isues and now trying to slip secret inquests back through Parliament to protect the goverment from critisism over the deaths of soldiers or Brazillians minding their own business on the underground.
Agree with shame on Dimbleby; to paraphrase the Straw incident:
Straw: “We fought the war to get rid of nazis like the B’n'P”
Griffin: “My father was in the RAF and fought the war; your father refused to fight so was put in jail”
Dimbleby (to Griffin): “What’s that got to do with it?”
Well, Dimbleby old chap, I would say fooking everything.
Straw tried to claim “the war” to make his point; which actually was the accusation being laid at Griffin. Straw started it, Griffin finished it.
JACK STRAW WAS A CONSCIENTIOUS OBJECTOR He refused to join the cadet force at his boarding school which was compulsory !
Expect to be moderated
Nick Griffin is obviously a lightweight twat but he represents the views of millions and he will have gained support in the country as a result of QT.
The true enemies of our once great country are the smug fuckers like Hain, Straw, the baying mob and the PC Hunts who would lell us what we are to think and what we can or cannot listen to, watch, support etc.
They are the fuckers I really loathe with every fibre of my being. Griffin is a sideshow.
Griffin looked a shifty racist clown. The question is, did he look more of a shifty racist clown than his opponents? His supporters won’t think so.
Bonnie Greer was a waste of space as usual
Even more than usual. Tokenism.
I seem to remember the perpetually aggrieved BG explaining on the Beeb that she was a political refugee from waycist America and couldn’t return home as long as the fascist Bush was president. Uh-huh. So how long has Obama been president now?
She doesn’t return to the US because she knows damn well she wouldn’t benefit from the free pass she enjoys here from the fawning, colour-obsessed, beeboid guardianistas.
At least Josephine Baker had a nice bunch.
That Bonnie Greer (who?) seem to think that it is up to her to decide who is “British” will have confirmed the suspicion held many of the white working class that they are second class citizens in their own country. Griffin did not do well, but the bullying, patronisng, elitist arrogance of his opponents will have won the beeNpee votes.
“bullying, patronisng, elitist arrogance ”
Nice line
I suspect that the Question Time Circus will have NOT made one scintilla of difference on the streets of Stoke,Barking,Dagenham,Burnley etc as to whether people vote Bee-Enn-Pee.The fact is that the mainstream parties and particularly the Labour Party have done nothing to address the fears of those who vote for that party in increasing numbers in those areas.
At the heart of this – is a class that feel betrayed by and dis-connected from the mainstream parties Don’t forget that until a few years ago anyone who queried immigration levels was branded a “racist”;anyone who dared fly a Union Flag or worse the Flag of St George 10years ago was similarly branded a racist by Labour and the left in the media and it was not until Blair had mired this country in two wars that they felt it expedient to start playing the patriotism card and “bigging up” Britains traditions etc where prior to that all that was touted was “Multi-Culturalism” and then the politicians were astounded that by promoting that policy they had spawned a generation of dis-affected youth who felt more allegiance to their mother country and religion than to the country that they had been born into.
So the other parties are now merely seeing the results of their years of neglect of a section of the indigenous population on the altar of those failed policies and if they want to beat the Bee-Enn-Pee they certainly have to raise their game on last nights showing and adress the fears of that section of society otherwise the support for the Bee-Enn-Pee in those areas WILL increase
One hundred percent correct.
And that class makes up the great majority of the population
Breaking News
It’s just been announced that the British National Party are to go into the call centre business:
Press 1 to speak in English
Press 2 to be disconnected until you learn to speak English
Good joke, also a good idea – think how much money all the local Councils & sentral govt would save by NOT translating all their leaflets & brochures into various languages – here in Poole I think we’ve got something like 28 or 32 versions of everything – to provide for the non-English speakers in our midst.
Good to see Jack offer to allow NG to break the law (not sure which law) as the justice minister would allow him to do so. I wonder how many times Jack has done this for his fellow party members?Mind you all NG would have to do is say it was and over sight and he’s ok.
Jack can Break the law when he want’s 112mph On motorway . got off !
his son caught by News of the world dealing drugs ! caution !
Steal taxpayers money Oh it was an oversight. pay it back
Rig the elections in blackburn etc etc !
I watch the program every week. The strangest thing was the audience. There were far more young people than normal. It was pretty much universally hostile to Griffin from the outset. And heres the strange bit, every week MP expenses gets the audience baying. Not this week. It got mentioned and not a titter. Same with bankers.
There was something wrong with the audience which would be clear to the regular viewer.
Griffin did alright. He landed verbal punches on Straw ( his party gets Labour votes remember ), and he managed to give bits of party political uninterrupted. He came across as polite and reasonable though I fear he doth grin too much.
Lots of what he said was bollox. Especially the iceage crap. But I suspect he will have increased his vote.
Where did Sayeeda get that poppy?
Where did Sayeeda get that poppy?
Probably sent a parliamentary serf to the local Legion club, with orders not to come back without a receipt.
I wasn’t at all surprised that Griffin made himself look a bit of a prat every time he opened his mouth. His utterances had all the gravity of Primary School playground politics.
I was gobsmacked at how unbalanced the audience were and how the rest of the panel (apart from Sayeed Warsi) ganged up on Griffin in a most hysterical fashion.
Sayeed Warsi was the only one on the show who made any sense. A Tory Government can’t come quick enough. Twelve years of immigration mismanagement under New Labour has been totally responsible for emboldening Griffen and his wacky mates.
Has anybody ever seen Chris Huhne and Craig Cash (of Royle Family fame) in the same room together?
As expected Griffin did himself no favours and did not come across as a credible alternative.
The biggest revalation was how Jack Straw was shown as a serial denier of Labour doing wrong over the post office and how he and the cabinet are not listening to the electorate.
New Labour was the biggest victim of this debate and it was jack Straw who did more to support a protest vote for the BeeEnPee than Griffin’s shameful performance.
Totally agree with your statement. I was trying to view the programme objectivley and Straw, by saying capping is not going to happen, proved we have been stiched up without any regard to the issues facing ordinary people who have seen the home towns they grew up in transformed into a picture postcard of somewhere alien to them.
Totally one sided if he did have anything to say they all made sure he didn’t get chance to say it !
best point of the night was that straws father was banged up for refusing to fight the nazis i also checked out straw himself
Who is also a conscientious objector refusing to join the cadet force at his boarding school where it was compulsory !
poor me! POOR ME!! POOOR MEEE !!!!!! poor me! POOR ME!! POOOR MEEE !!!!!!
They is picking on me and asking me questions..sob.. sob.. QUESTIONS!!! ON QUESTION TIME!!!! How could they.. booo hooo hooo hooo hoooooooo…
Oh please won’t you take pity on me ?
I’m just a poor boy nobody loves me,
he’s just a poor boy from a poor family,
Spare him his life from this Big Bad DIMBLEBEEEE,
Easy come easy go-,will you let me go-
Fat shortarse! no-,we will not let you go-let him go-
Fat shortarse! we will not let you go-let him go
Fat shortarse! we will not let you go-let me go
Will not let you go-let me go
Will not let you go let me go
No,no,no,no,no,no,no-
Mama mia,mama mia,mama mia let me go-
The BeeBeeCee has a taxi put aside for me,for me,for me-
(Hide in the boot! a protest)
where did you copy that from TaT ?
not TaT
he’s not about yet by the looks of things
it’s obv. Bohemian Rhaphsody reworked on the fly as I realised how appropriate it was for poor ickle Gwiffie and the many bleeding hearts on here crying in pity (not funny at all) at his beastly treatment on a show he was dying to go on
I xpect he’ll hide in the toilets at the EU Parliament in case the big boys call him names
8.43am,
fuck off, mother doesn’t bring my cup of tea in until 9am at the very earliest.
she is under strict instructions.
Is she a muslim ?
fuck me your tea must be cold brought up at 8.43 yet you didn’t wake up till 11.34 ! PS and that is you above !
It becomes clearer now why the “Yanks” wanted Straw replaced as Foreign Secretary and I just thought it was because “Condi” didn’t like his “chat up lines”
Dont Know If Youv’e Ever Been To Blackburn “Clapham” But to take a bird there on a first date is a big mistake Its a fucking shithole ,He would have been better taking her to Beirut or Baghdad !
Why? Looks about the same to me!
Could we please have that in English please?
LOVE THAT QUOTE ! I disagree strongly with what you say !
But i will defend to the death your right to say it !
VOLTAIRE
I told you I always wanted to be a stand up comedian rather than a politician
They don’t come any better than this one
Take your partners please for the Annual BNP Ball. Here I can see the Party’s only gay couple, Jack Boot and his significant other Ray Cyst.
I do hope Adolf Hitler’s on vibraphone ;o)
That’s totally Bonzo isn’t it.
I would suggest that those people most likely to vote BNP are also those least likely to watch Question Time. Personally I think the BNP are a bunch of basket cases however the BBC did itself no favours by putting up an extremely unbalanced and unrepresentative audience, thus showing Griffen being bullied and harrassed to an extent never before seen on QT. This may just play into the BNP’s hands. What was needed was a balanced debate on the issues of the day, not continuous rants against the BNP. It suits me though.. The votes for the BNP will come from Labour supporters, thus lowering their potential majorities..
Ndabingi Kapwepwe That WAS racist!
The elephant in the room was immigration. The elephant in the country is population growth. This issue must be addressed by a mainstream political party (i.e. the Conservatives), otherwise idiots like Nick Griffin will continue to make headway. Frank Field has suggested Government policy should try to cap the UK population at 65 million – he is right, but the rest of the NuLiebour traitors on the Government benches need to be kicked from here to the back of beyond first!
Brown out! Labour out!!! Labour out for ever! Labour are a bunch of lying, evil traitors!
Elephants are not indigenous. Trunks out!
Fookin Pachys!
Oi! Who you calling a pachy!
LOL. Now thats clever!
The issue is NOT immigration from the “old” Commonwealth countries – we can regulate that with a “points system” and after all we have an historical link and obligation. It is rather the parts of eastern europe who are members of the EU and over which we have no control(Blair in fact didn’t take up the offer to limit immigration from Rumania etc when offered by the EU for a period of time.Who can forget his assertion that fewer than 5,000 poles would enter the UK ? All a bit like Reid’s assertion that the British Army would exit Afghanistan without a shot being fired in anger)or the pace. Certain areas of the country and their services have been swamped with an influx of immigrants mostly from eastern europe. THAT is why the Bee-Enn-Pee is gaining support and until that is addressed they will go from strength to strength in what were historically mainly white working class and Labour voting areas. As in so many other matters Labour has even failed its own traditional supporters and in such a climate the Bee-Enn-Pee finds fertile ground and easy wins
They can’t control Immigration, as long as VBritain is full of Brits we will never surrender to the EU, don’t you see thsi yet.
DO I need to spell it out G E N O C I D E…thinklong term and see wht they have been and are doing.
The problem I can see with announcing a cap on immigration once we reach 65m is that this will make the world and their wife scramble to get in to the country before that limit is reached, the knock on effect of which would be a far quicker increase in the population than originally projected, making it harder to increase services and infrastructure in the neccessary manner, and god knows that’s been neglected enough already.
Ratings:
Jack Straw 7. I’m not normally a fan of shifty Jack but I thought he looked and sounded the part yesterday. He was calm, clear and well informed. Great line about the mixed-race East Lancashire war dead near Peronne and telling Nick Griffin he wouldn’t face prosecution for explaining his views on the Holocaust. He was less strong defending Labour immigration policy.
Baroness Warsi 8. She wore a truly horrible jumper.That apart, she did well. She embarrassed Griffin on Mark Collett and his links to Abu Hamza. I thought her strategy of demonising Griffin but saying not all b/p voters are racists was clever. I’m sure she will have got the Tories more Muslim votes.
Hulne 4. He mostly waffled as normal. Also came across as a bit of a bully.
Griffen 0. This was his big moment and he blew it big time. He looked awful, like General Woundwort from the cartoon version of Watership Down. He got sucked into talking about unpleasant quotes he’s made and his vile views on race. He went into melt down when he refused to condemn Klu Kluk Klan chief David Duke or distance himself from Holocaust denial. He would have done better to talk more about bankers, bringing home troops from Afghanistan, the errors of the Labour government – these would have gained him more votes rather than the race card. The only plus for Griffin was it went so badly he can project himself as the victim of the event.
Greer – 5. She had a great last line about the common sense of the British people, but that apart she came across as a bit lightweight. It was a shame they didn’t have a proper historian like Sir Martin Gilbert (world expert on both Churchill and the Holocaust) or Sir Ian Kershaw (world expert on the rise and fall of the Nazis). Both would have been able to respond to Griffin lack of historical accuracy.
The other Bullingdon Dave 10 – Dimbleby was the star of the show. He was in charge throughout and had really done his homework. He prevented this becoming car crash television. Dimbleby must be the chair for the leaders’ pre-election debate.
Warsi looked like a fat lightweight, does she own a suit? and Straw waffled. Dimbleby was good until he played teacher about the smiling.
Dimbledy’s dad gave the first shocking reports from Belgan-Belsen in April 1945. Maybe that’s why he doesn’t regard the Holocaust as a laughing matter.
Which made his dismissal “what’s that got to do with it” to Griffin about his dad’s RAF service all the more disgraceful… mightily selective of personal war service records, our Mr Dimbleby, isn’t he? I don’t recall any reports of Richard D under fire Cronkite-style.
Were you watching the same show that I wasn’t watching?
Got to disagree GF – no, NG didn’t do particularly well, but then he was up against a 100% hostile chairman, panel, audience… How well would any of us do in the circumstances? He was pretty shifty on his “I cna’t explain why I said that” tactics, but got in some good firm, and unrebutted, kicks on Islam, which he’ll be pelased about. Can’t imagine why he didn’t bring up this weeks’ ONS population predictions, he’d have been on a winner there.
I actually thought Bonie Greer performed quite well – she’d obviously decided to be emolient and reasonable, with a few barbs, and it worked well.
Straw was shit beyond measure. And having spent half your career ranting about how “we” defeated fascism when your dad was sewing fucking mailbags rather than pick up a gun… well. Poor. I thought.
The “I can’t explain why” thing was leading into an explanation of risking arrest like David Irving on a holocaust denial charge if he travelled to Europe. if he explained in detail his beliefs, but he never got to that part and mumbled off while others shouted him down. He was out of his depth and allowed himself to be dominated by the audience but I am not sure this could be counted as a ‘failure’ the BNPs interest is in shoring up marginal support on council estates not winning over intellectuals. What would have been the impression on white estates in Burnley of this? Middle class students, Dimbleby, Straw etc mocking him?
The “I can’t explain why” thing was leading into an explanation of risking arrest like David Irving on a holocaust denial charge if he travelled to Europe. if he explained in detail his beliefs, but he never got to that part and mumbled off while others shouted him down. He was out of his depth and allowed himself to be dominated by the audience but I am not sure this could be counted as a ‘failure’ the BandPees interest is in shoring up marginal support on council estates not winning over intellectuals. What would have been the impression on white estates in Burnley of this? Middle class students, Dimbleby, Straw etc mocking him?
Double Post, forgot we had a censor
This was an attempt at a classic set up by the BBC that thankfully most people have seen through. As reflected by the callers on the late show on Talksport last night.
The BBC thought they could influence the ordinary man/woman in the street by not even allowing the ordinary man/woman in the street into the audience to air his/her views.
The audience was made up entirely of the BBC ‘friends’ etc. A caller on Talksport who said he was in the audience last night proved this by saying large groups of the audience seemed to know each other and had an pre-planned ‘agenda’ when going into the tv studio.
The Question Time audience is carefully made up of local people and is the make-up of the audience is designed to reflect local views. This was a West London audience and the B/P are very unpopular in multi-cultural, mixed race West London. Unsurprisingly given Griffin’s abysmal performance the audience turned on him.
@Down with Brown!, October 23, 2009 at 8:50 am,
“The Question Time audience is carefully made up of local people and is the make-up of the audience is designed to reflect local views. This was a West London audience
You are mistaken. I happen to know two people from the south-eastern side of London who “got the call” to be in the QT audience only around midday yesterday, ie about six hours before recording started. Those two people were on the BBC list of potential audience members only because of having applied to be in the audience for a QT that took place 7 months ago.
It looks as if the BBC had to “rearrange” the QT audience for yesterday at the last minute but of course I don’t know why.
Out of interest which side of the political spectrum are these two people on?
I honestly don’t know. I could make an informed guess – deducing from well-off, in employment, not keen on the present Government – but a guess is all it would be. Would be very surprised if they were BNP-inclined at all.
What could Griffin have said to have got the specially-selected a la 9/11 BBC audience on his side?
With a rich indigenous patois like that you should apply for a job at the BNP call centre. A shoo in. A sho’ ting. Or more probably, a shooting/
With a rich indigenous patois like that you should apply for a job at the Bee nn Pea call centre. A shoo in. A sho’ ting. Or more probably, a shooting.
at’s right, it’s fine when the piggie MPs get reamed by the QT audience but when fatboy fascists get the treatment it’s all “Lawks a mercy! wot a shame for the podgy bloke. why don’t they leave him alone to persecute races in peace?”
Yooou faaakkkin ipocritical caaaants! You make me puke
Ask yourself why the B.N.P. are there in the first place? It is because normal halfwits who normally vote labour, feel that they have been abandoned by labour, (and they have) and voted B.N.P. instead.
labour have left it too late to do anything about immigration as 2,000,000 muslims vote for them, + a few million other immigrants, so to get the B.N.P. vote back, they have to say they are against (wholesale) immigration, but dare not as they will then lose the immigrant vote.
As a T.V. programme last night, Question Time it was very, very poor.
I was never any good with numbers
Your mental arithmetic’s OK though – particularly your long rendition.
Griffin unfortunately survived reasonably well, which is incredible really
Greer made herself look a right tit, I thought. By denying Griffin’s point that white people were indigenous to Britain, which is patently true and by saying that even if it were the case, that it didn’t matter anyway since we are all descended from Africans (which is also patently true) she is effectively denying the rights of whites to have an opinion about their own country.
What she should have said is that being indigenous or not is irrelevant, once you have been granted citizenship by birth or by decree.
The “liberal” types on the panel who took every opportunity to speak over or interrupt Griffin whenever he tried to respond, have made themselves look like the fascists.
Whatever it was, it was certainly not a debate.
Until the mainstream body take on these ultra-left racists in a serious adult intellectual debate, their kind will prosper.
Liberals have painted themselves into a corner and their position is intellectually unsustainable: they cannot say they defend free speech and democracy on the one hand while denying it to people like Griffin on the other.
Race is bound to be a touchy subject to Australians, who made their country by a near-genocide of the original inhabitants.
Not to mention with the “yanks” whose record on the systematic culling of the “Native American” and racism against their own Black citizens is even more horrific. even when thousands of them were fighting in the armed services in WW2 Against that record the British are(to use a phrase which even Griffin would have no problem with) “Whiter than white”!
The greer point was about when homo sapiens first arrived in the UK.
The “melting ice” thing is downright bizarre now i think about it. “Anglo Saxons … out out out!”
“we are all descended from Africans (which is also patently true) ” – only a few groups no longer believe that, but certainly a few decades ago there were a lot of people in america who believed that races were millions of years apart, not just 20-80 thousand. Greer did have to confirm that point really.
Yeah. The aboriginies and north american indians just got in the way of the timeline
“The greer point was about when homo sapiens first arrived in the UK.”
Only in that it was her attempt to deny Griffin’s point about whites being the aboriginals of Britain.
It was a blunder on her part to try to argue that point. She should have dismissed it as being irrelevant.
p.s.
Not relevant, but perhaps interesting…
She was wrong in fact about Britain being totally covered in ice during the ice age; the glaciers reached down as far as London (to the Elephant and Castle, apparently), but stopped there. South of London would have been potentially habitable although very chilly indeed.
I used to skate on the Thames
The point is, who made this country what it is and by no stretch of the imagination can that be attributed to immigrants from third world countries.
Biased BBC, well we shouldn’t have expected anything else.
Hands up those who thought that we had a balanced audience and a fair panel and a good discussion on the problems this country faces which have led to the rise and success of the B&P?
Hands up
You may go to the toilet.
But the programme ratings went through the roof – makes up for “Strictly” bombing out against “X Factor”
It perfectly possible Griffin was hoping for such a programme last night, he certainly looked nervous, but also appeared to have made a decision to play the moderate and not become bombastic.
Most message boards and comment seem clear everyone knows this was an unbelievablk OTT BBC set up, I mean Dimbleby as a ‘chairman’ was an utter disgrace, the audience as always was hand picked and reflected a multicultural London elite and the political establishment
I’m struggling to see how the message Nick Griffin is a bit racist and does not fit in with the London media will go down badly with Bnatpee voters?
Is it just possible that the people most likely to vote BNP are less likely to watch Question Time, contribute to Blogs, read about politics etc regularly than those of us commenting/actually in the question Time audience?
You see, I know that the BNP is racist BUT, if you listen to some of the things Griffin says they can seem to make sense in isolation and may appeal to folks that do not read/study what is actually going on behind the soundbites he is currently promoting.
For my part, I wanted to hear if he had any firm policies other than “kick out the non-whites”. I heard nothing.
The other parties and Griffin were let off the hook re. Postal Strikes, Lords housing allowance fiddles, MP’s expenses etc etc.
Instead we got an hour long “bash Griffin” session. Our erudite journos are pointing out he looked nervous. Really! Who would not be when the chairman (leftie pinko who takes instructions from Harman when she is on the panel), the whole panel, and just about all/or all of the audience were hand picked by the leftie BBC?
I would much rather have seen him having to explain wtf he has to offer, other than “kick out the non-whites” in a more balanced way – THAT way he would have been properly exposed as a waste of space. I must admit, the sight of the other politicians being allowed to shout him down by Dimbleby made me think that some will see that he was bullied by the establishment.
Those viewers who tuned in for the one off appearance of Griffin may have taken away the message that the BBC, LibDumbs, Tories, Labour and arty farty luvvies, and West London audience do not give a stuff about them and stopped their man (or soon to be their man, if they were swayed) from saying what he is about. Maybe it will make more people vote for the BNP? I await the polls with interest.
I will continue to vote (for my 11th time in a general election!) for the least worst of the lot – Conservative.
Baaaah baaaaah
Get off my wool, you rascialist
The only issue whole heartedly agreed with was Griffin’s description of the BBC
Went to the opub last night. When’s that Griffage going on the Question Time show? Haven’t heard much from the beeb about it recently, but then I know they wouldn’t want to ramp things up too much, would they?
yeah, when is this happening?
I remember the moslem gentleman who was defending the worst bits of the koran by saying ‘at the end of your bible, it says Jesus will come back ruling with a rod of iron’. Griffin should have replied – ‘Well how would you feel after having been nailed to a cross by religious fanatics’
In the koran, he isn’t.
Dimblehoon was dreadful.
So much for impartiality. Playing to the mob. Pathetic.
Griffin would have buried himself completely but the continual heckling and verbal assaults, screw balls to deflect Griffin from ANSWERING the questions on QUESTION Time may have cemented his grass roots support and gained additional votes.
The fascists were the mob/audience.
I disagree – David D does what he always does and challenges. He does this every week and frankly Mr Griffin had no answers because there is no answer that can explain unjustified hatred! The audience behaved perfectly well, indeed, they were able to address Mr Griffin in the very manner that such a party figure deserves! I’ve watched many a QT where a Labour, Conservative party representative was vilified for one reason or another. The expenses saw just this kind of attack justifiably by the audience… perhaps the truth is those that feel as Griffin does, saw their hatred exposed for what it was and like Griffin could not handle that fact!
Supporters of Griffin are presenting last night as a great establishment gang up and mugging. The truth is Griffin mugged himself. DD asked difficult questions of Griffin as he does of all the politicians who come on Question Time, but Griffin was completely unable to produce rational responses.
If you thought DD did a good job then seriously you need to open your eyes and ears. He was terrible.
His continual interuptions, open hostility, playing to the mob confirmed his own personal views and he played to the mob.
The more I think of it the more I can see that if the certain issues are not addressed by the mainstream political parties then Griffin and his odious followers will increase their share of the vote.
Last night demonstrated more than exposing Griffin for what he is and represents. It also showed that demonstrators need to get a grip on their behaviour. I find it appalling the ridiculous and over blown behaviour of those who are against Griffin and his views behaving like they did. I lost all respect for the movement and found myself furious to hear some of the officers who were tasked with ironically keeping the peace and making it safe to … in our democracy, exercise free speech. You might not like Griffin, you may hate his views – but the sickening assertions and behaviour of protesters showed that they do not believe in true democracy. Sorry, but protesting is one thing – breaking the law, putting people in danger and trespassing are not acceptable behaviour. The audience in the BBC showed how to handle Mr Griffin, who shook the entire show like a scared little bunny caught in the headlights – hardly the glowing leader of the new dawn!
*officers were injured attempting to keep the peace*
Griffin 1 point (for turning up), Warsi 2 points (for not ducking up), Straw 1 point (for being the usual pompous twat), Huhne 2 points (for doing a good I’ve lost my temper act), Greer 5 points (for charming Griffin down from the tree and then whacking him).
I am glad you mentioned that about Greer.
It was funny watching how everytime Griffins shoulders would relax a little as she smiled at him and his face warmed to her and then she kicked him in the nuts and treated him like he was a little boy.
The look of gratitude on his face when she mentioned his history degree was terrific…then she told him that she had brought lots of books so he could learn the subject….Classic!
Having said this – what I would like to have seen exposed more clearly was the lack of policy that the BNP have in other areas.
Such a lot of bile from the establishment.
Frightened of being pushed off of the gravey train I think.
The country is changing and the only weapon chattering classes have is chatter. Interesting times!
I am like wise extremely proud to be English and object to not having a tick box on forms that indicates that. However, there is a difference between pride of our heritage and attempting to make that a purest issue! Anyone born in England is English in my view and Mr Griffin is completely opposed to this if you’re not white.
The fact that Griffin and his mob have hijacked and make it an instant unqualified attack on race to state, I am English, infuriates me! (Just noticed your id name and felt compelled to comment).
If you were born in Hyderabad to your British parents, would you consider yourself a Pakistani?
No.
Moderate that one then
My mum was born in Germany as her parents were stationed there with the army.
Interestingly if her parents had been granted German citizenship then she would have rightly considered herself a German.
If I were born in Deli and my parents had obtained Indian citizenship then I would consider myself to be an Indian. If my mum had given borth to me there while taking a backpacking trip while heavily pregnant – then I would still be British.
Now here it gets fun…now If my mother was from Pakistan with no other citizenship and my father was from Rotherham, and I was born in Sydney – life gets a little bit more interesting and the possibility of Dual citizenship emerges, neither of which being Australian.
One of the nicest things about real life is that it is never as simple as a racist would have it seem.
Actually you’d have an Australian Birth Cert – so would be entitled to Australian Citizenship – as well as British due to your Father and MAYBE Pakistani if that country allows it – not all do from the Mothers side.
If that’s the country you were born in then Yes you fuckwit
My daughter was born in Africa – I am British, she has a Passport that says she is as well – if asked she says she is African.
It leads to some “interesting encounters” as she is White – the number of people who have tried telling her she can’t be African is amazing.
(oh – to be clear her mother is African and she also holds a passport saying she is a Citizen of an African country)
Don’t be to sure – how many TASERS have the Met bought? How many Police are now armed to the teeth when they leave the station. Who do you think the illiberal establishment view as the Enemy? (The clue is in your name).
tasers = really powerful cattleprods
I GOT IT!
Supercows! the Met are protecting us from a breed of amazingly potent cattle that plan to take over the Gerkin and eventually rule the world?
I am afraid SBS has rather neatly and accurately summed up the position – an analysis that both democrats and Nazi BNP can agree on.
The sad thing is that apart from UKIP no one is taking the immigration (and related EU) issue seriously. Labour’s dependency on the immigrant vote can only grow. The problem there is that most of that immigrant vote favours LOOSER immigration controls. It’s a self-reinforcing pattern.
Ideally the Conservatives would turn themselves into a party that seeks a dignified exit from the EU, reassertion of border controls and resistance to Shariah promotion and extension. They would also turn themselves into a progressive party dedicated to rescuing the working class from welfare dependency.
However, unfortunately there is no prospect of the Conservatives doing that – so there certainly is a danger that BNP influence will continue to rise.
All these pussies whining about poor little Nick Griffin and the Big Bad BBC
Grow a fucking pair
You think everyone must treat Griffin like his fawning sycophants at a B&P rally ???? are you all really that fucking stupid ?
If he can’t handle a few questions he should piss off back to his website and leave TV for the big lads who don’t fall to pieces in the spotlight
Even the B&P’s pussy of a media spokesman is whining that it was unfair to talk about the B&P. Well Boo-fucking-Hooo.
If Griffin can’t even talk about his own Party and it’s Policies how good a Party Leader can he possibly be ?
Fuckwits
Here here!
Hear, hear, you Labour educated illiterate fuckwit.
No! It’s ‘Hear Hear! Pay attention at the back.
Brown can’t either!
Fine. Fuck Brown. Fuck im right up the jacksey for being such a CAAAHHHNT!
No problemo squire.
You sound very extreme.
WELL SAID.
BULLIES ON THE WHOLE DON’T ENJOY IT UP THEM.
Fuckwit yourself.
THE BBC BROUGHT IT IN A HIRED AUDIENCE..etc…
Or maybe the proportion of people to like the BNP in England to the proportion of people who detest them is pretty small. If the BBC wanted to maintain a representative proportion of people in the room who supported the BNP then it’d be 6% at the max. Don’t think it’s really ‘biased’ if most of the people in the room jeered at him; because most of the people in England Would.
Where you live is 80% of the population under 25?
On the campus – obviously he does.
Most of the people in England would jeer Griffin, that is true.
But most of the people in England are also firmly against further mass immigration. When is the political elite going to take this issue seriously?
There could be a plan of action:
1. Repeal the ghastly HRA.
2. Withdraw from the discredited asylum system.
3. Legislate to deport illegal immigrants as soon as they are detected to wherever they came from.
4. Run an immigration policy in the interests of the existing citizens of this country and not in the interests of everybody else in the World and the Labour Party as now.
Problem is, nobody is signed up to do the above and it would entail leaving the EU!
Poor old England, RIP – you are finished!
On the streets of England today they appear not to be jeering him. Oh dear, has something gone wrong?
I see J Smith MP is on Any Questions tonight then QT next week. Two chances for plod to arrest her then – a couple of squad cars with CO19 support should be enough.
If the police won’t arrest her, perhaps someone can do it for them. Citizens arrest anyone?
The QT “show” showed me several things;
1.)The sheer lightweight ability right across the board;
Jack “accountancy was never my strong point” Straw – and neither is anything else.
If this is the Justice Secretary,then it explains why there is NO justice in the UK.
2.) Immigration is a key area of concern right across the country – hence the BNP getting those votes in June;
The key sentence in the whole 60 minutes came from Straw;
“There will be no immigration cap – it will be seen as too authoritarian”.
So there we have it – the lifeboat can hold 20 people,so let’s get 40 people on and then for good measure and political correctness,lets allow another 30 people on so that the lifeboat sinks – so we all sink.
I have lived in Switzerland where they have very strict rules on “auslanders” – foreigners.Yes,a country with just 6.5M people,but because they have a well known and strict policy,it is expected to work and it gets the investment to make sure it does.
Here in the UK we have one The Justice Secretary (and ex Home Secretary) saying there is no cap on numbers.So now the lifeboat will stop for everyone and will sink very quickly.
As for Huhne – blimey,he NEARLY became a Party leader? Again an example of the mediocrity that runs riot across the country.
As for Griffin – he is so pathetic in debate that we should have NO worry about his Party – the worry should be if the govt of the day does NOT sort out the immigration policy and evict/prevent people coming in.There has to be a very tough policy because we are running out of space – Brown has already made sure we have run out of money,at least give us the space to be bankrupt in!
Well said.
Excellent post – hits old nail on the head. Bang on! So what are we to do?
I don’t think he did himself any favours for defending the KKK, but I’m glad he was able to express himself freely; it was a victory for free speech.
He exposed Straw as a tosser and the BBC as an extreme left-wing organisation, so he got a couple of things right – but he’s still a pretty unsavoury character.
EXTREME LEFT WING??
SIMPLY INCORRECT.
LEFT LEANING? PROBABLY.
I SUPPOSE IF YOU’RE VIEWING THEM FROM THE FAR RIGHT THEY ARE EXTREME.
IN WHICH CASE YOU’RE A FOOL
Why do you morons insist on capitalising everything? It doesn’t accentuate your points, it just makes you look like a childish idiot.
SWEEPING GENERALISATIONS AND NAME CALLING…
ADMIRABLE.
ZZZZZZZZZZ.
I TINK U IS RITE
WE SHULD AL RITE IN BIG LETERS!
More on Jack Straw’s father. According to wikipedia:
“Straw was brought up at Loughton, Essex by his mother, Joan Sylvia Gilbey on a council estate after his father Walter Arthur Whitaker Straw, an insurance salesman and the son of Arthur Whitaker Straw, left the family and condemned them to poverty.”
So what you are saying is that Son, Jack, is getting his revenge by doing the same to us
The Straw family would clearly not be allowed in now to UK as they would fail on the points system.
Pity it wasn’t in force at the time.
Then how could this poverty stricken family afford to send son Jack to a boarding school with a CCF ( combined cadet force) which he, according to reports here, decided to object to, in the same manner as Straw senior in WW2.
Does anybody really think that the BBC were going to do anything other than throw Nick Griffin to the dogs?? The BBC is the national, state, new labour broadcaster and mouthpiece. It will not easily want to upset its master. Griffin being subject to abuse for an hour is a mere stroll in the park for these people. Of course there was no debate on the issues – the economy, expenses, immigration, unemployment, the NHS, surveillance – because they were never on the agenda. Here was an opportunity for the BBC and its political friends to have a go at an easy target – sound familiar???
What would be really interesting would be Brown and Cameron and Clegg being each treated to the same programme formula. Won’t happen of course and next week it will be tedious business as usual, as if nothing happened!!
“What would be really interesting would be Brown and Cameron and Clegg being each treated to the same programme formula.”
An Expenses Scandal breaks just before the Debate and see what happens.
Lets stop with the bullshit about MPs always getting an easy ride as the Expenses Question Times were some of the funniest ever seen.
265 How many MPs have lost their jobs, been charged with theft?
don’t give me bullshit because expenses was only one of a list of issues mentioned that could have been debated
fuckwit
you were whining about Griffin being “abused” by the BBC just because the fat little fuck had to answer a few questions so don’t pretend you give a shit about theft if you piss yourself in fear over a few fucking questions shit for brains
Is the shortarse so monumentally dim he can’t even answer questions about his own Party and Policies ?
Most Political Parties would dream of having an entire Question time given over to them and their Party but Nicky couldn’t even handle that and a few probing questions without looking like a weasely nutter
I look forward to Griffin refusing all EU expenses
twat
you are so fucking thick that you don’t even understand what I am saying.
Irrespective of Griffin’s politics, my point was about how the BBC framed the so called debate – QT usually having a regular format to debate topics of interest – not usually going in for giving MPs anything other than a mild reprimand. You really should get out more, maybe go to college and learn something valuable …and stop watching rididculous late night tv programmes
Thick would be failing to understand that Question Time doesn’t have regularly have an extremist who’s been convicted of spreading race hate on the programme.
Of course it wan’t a regular fucking programme. Have you been locked in a fridge for weeks ? It’s been the most hyped and unusual Question Time I can remember so it was never going to be standard format.
And the Expenses QT’s weren’t standard format as they too gave almost the entire programme over to one subject.
They weren’t given a mild reprimand on that one.
They were slaughtered and Booed heartily many times.
You should stop typing shit instead of fantasising about what other posters do
you just can’t rationalise with some people so I won’t prolong this debate beyond the suggestion that new labour are nearer the bnp than any party since the war – i.d cards, surveillance, anti-democratic and authoritarian to mention just a few….
Remember fivebellies is on next week, so we’ll all get to see what troughing 117k’s worth of pies does to ones figure. I wonder if any of the questions will relate to crime and punishment?
Have a look at the audience on iplayer, 95% must be under 30, 50% of student age, whats that all about?
IT’S ABOUT YOU BEING INCORRECT.
Caps lock is located above shift.
AND MADE UP BOLLOCKS IS ABOVE MY POST.
ZZZZZZZZZZZ.
Did you actually watch the programme duncan? You are talking shite as usual. Maybe 10% of the audience were over 30.
YEP.
I DISAGREE WITH YOUR FIGURES.
This Griffin fellow, he has an authoritarian streak that would come in handy down in the bunker. After all, it’s Labour votes the BNP are nicking.
BTW d’you like the handy smokescreen this is throwing up?
‘Ere stop messin’ abahht!
So Guido says “… after all the fuss Nick Griffin looked shifty and came off worst on Question Time as Guido predicted.” Not the conclusion of most reader comments this morning. Can anyone recommend a non-establishment blog?
Idiot.
I CAN SEE WHY YOU DONT WRITE THAT SORT OF SILLINESS UNDER YOUR NAME.
send pizzas and fuck off.
Quite right! Guido’s regularly coming across as the establishment stooge.
This blogs good:
http://leg-iron.livejournal.com/
Well, the point has now been made. Setting aside the punch n’ judy antics, the BNP now has greater public presence than before the programme – whether you agree with the BNP or not – so cui bono?
But frankly the whole panel were just a bunch of poseurs, being paraded by a circus ringmeister. This has done nothing except to reinforce entrenched positions.
“There is no such thing as bad publicity except your own obituary.” – Brendan Behan
Comments on Radio 5 phone in now overwhelmingly anti BBC – program was a disgrace etc.
That’s the issue, Griffin was bad, but Dimbleby and QT were worse, so now the story is BBC bias not what Griffin said.
I am not surprised.
The BBC are dreadful.
Griffin is dreadful
The difference is that the BBC ought to know better
no, you don’t understand, pleb. Support the bankers, the war criminals and the status quo. How else would a fat piece of shit like me make a living?
Have you made it yet to the top of the Housing queue yet? or did you get given accomodation immediately after UK Border?
It always amazes me how Nanny BBC tries so hard to lead the silly children to reach a conclusion the establishment wants them to make.
Back in the real world 99% of the population have their own agenda.
I can understand though, why the establishment is worried by the likes of the B N P. Basically they know there is some truth in what the B N P say, and it strikes a chord thats the reality.
The UK is what it is, multi cultural and diverse, weakly governed (small g) by corrupt self centered career politicians on the make!
Old Nick is a convenient diversion!
Bored of all this –
Mainstrem parties need to reassure disaffected voters that they have a grip on immigration. Otherwise bigots will be voted in.
Where’s the caption contest?
GRIP IN WHAT SENSE?
THAT WE NEED CHEAP LABOUR?
THAT WE HAVE AN AGEING POPULATION?
CATCH UP SON.
Please don’t shout at me, I have a headache
Switch of the CAPS and get some common sense!
COMMON SENSE.
YOUR POST MAKES NO SENSE LET ALONE COMMON SENSE.
MUST TRY HARDER
Fuck off you antagonistic little shit and get a job.
ANOTHER OUTSTANDINGLY POOR POST.
DON’T POST COMMENTS IF YOU GET UPSET BY REPLIES.
Hey, shouty Dunc, can you help me “catch up” by explaining at what point the “we have an ageing population and need cheap labour” roundabout actually stops? Or does the roundabout just get bigger and bigger and bigger and…
So Ponzi Scheme = good?
I’M NOT HERE TO DO YOUR RESEARCH MAX.
TAKE YOUR POINT ON THE ROUNDABOUT ETC – BUT WE’RE NO WHERE NEAR REQUIRING IT STOP AT THE MOMENT.
DO A LITTLE DIGGING, IT’S ALL OUT THERE.
Nope, I’m not convinced! The downside of making the roundabout ever bigger is that resources are finite so it will turn to rat shit then fall apart.
The best plan is to bite the bullet and just stop the roundabout. There is little point in trying to time it. There will be pain but that is unavoidable; the more the pain is deferred though the bigger the eventual pain will be.
YOUR ANALOGY DOESNT WORK TO THAT POINT.
BIRTHRATE IS DROPPING.
RETIRED POPULATION WILL GROW.
WE NEED PEOPLE TO WORK AND PAY TAXES.
PEOPLE HEADING TO THE UK TO LAY ABOUT IS A MYTH.
MOST COME TO WORK & PAY TAXES.
RETURN TO LINE 2.
I don’t see why a perfectly good analogy stops “working”! All HM Govt stats are usually so out of date that they are useless (eg birthrate dropping; watch that change when the stats catch up). You will need to point me to some reliable and up to date stats here and hopefully not generated by ZaNuLab please, for obvious reasons.
Otherwise there are between 5-7 million people already in the UK who are not economically active or active only to a minor degree. Adding more “population” via immigration will add to that even if only because the spectrum will include such people.
And that is if you believe that people come to the UK to work.
Whilst there is economic migration (a flexible resource eg as per the Poles etc who helped take up the slack 2-5 years ago) that ebbs and flows depending upon the availability of work and the inability of gummint to persuade the UK’s own slackers to do that work.
So the UK already has a resource that would negate the need for 5-7 million economic migrants, yet it is a good idea to have temporary migrants hop in and out of the UK on an uncontrolled basis in order to fund the welfare and retirement needs of a largely static (as in UK-based) but ever growing population?
That is some mad roundabout. The only scenario is that the UK grows ever bigger and ever poorer.
In developed nations the lower the population the richer the people and the better off they are socially and in terms of well being.
What you propose is akin to going backwards to third world values of ever larger and ever poorer families being bred simply to try and scrape an ever more meagre living from a meagre land.
Take a look at this link and from any perspective at all (whatever floats your boat; green issues, pollution, well being, society, wealth, security or whatever) find any compelling and sustainable reason why the population of the world should be allowed to get bigger:
Breathing Earth.
By the way I am not a CO2 loony; that is a convenient con. I just deal in logic.
Then we have an ageing ‘cheap labour’ population. When are you gonna stop importing these coolies? Uppercase twat!
A HALF BAKED ANSWER TO DELIVER A HALF ARSED INSULT.
ALL DELIVERED BY A HALF WIT.
IT’S NOT DIFFICULT TO WORK OUT.
PERHAPS YOU COULD ASK A 6 YEAR OLD TO EXPLAIN IT TO YOU.
” UPDATE : Nick Griffin’s one good line, which flummoxed Jack Straw after he had struck a Churchillian pose, was to point out that whilst his own father had served in the RAF, Straw’s father served jail time for refusing to fight fascism. ”
YOU ABSOLUTE TIT GUIDO
GOOD LINE????
IT MADE HIM LOOK PETTY AND A PLAYGROUND NAME CALLER.
It was a crap line. What relevance does Jack Straw’s dad or Nick Griffin’s father have to do with anything?
Straw was saying our forefathers gave their lives fighting facism alongside the forefathers of other backgrounds such as muslims and asians. He read out a couple of non british sounding surnames from the war dead of ww2
I haven’t heard the former communist Straw as yet repudiate his father’s apparent attitude that standing up to Nazism was wrong.
Yet he is a member of a Government that is only too willing to grab a bit of cheap publicity by apologising for “errors” allegedly made by our ancestors (slavery/shooting first world war deserters).
He is always banging on about standing up to fascists and he is happy to be a member of a Government that sends other people’s children off to war.
AND YOUR POINT IS CALLER?
Staw’s perfectly manicured jowls did seem to move into a strange alignment with the camera at this point.
Sorry, I was just trying to be Quentin Letts.
Nobody seems to have mentioned that Straw, in answering the first question, ignored it completely and spouted off at great length in a rant at Griffin. The Beeboid techs screwed up at one point and actually showed that Straw was reading from a prepared text (I got a glimpse of him turning the pages).
The audience in no way represented Britain as I know it. I live some 25 miles outside London and virtually all the people where I live are white. I’m taking the kids on holiday tomorrow and I can guarantee that everybody on the plane will be white.
I have Muslim and Hindu colleagues at work. They’re my friends and they’re great people. I do have to admit, however, that I don’t want ten million or however many it is more of them coming into the country.
And that is the elephant in the room. Overpopulation. There’s an opinion out there that says that the population of the UK should be forty million, thirty million, something like that. We could achieve that if we let the baby boomers die out, applied a sensible immigration policy, and let the current low birthrate do its work.
Enough. You probably want to read some other idiot’s ravings.
It makes total sense.
Yeah “let the baby boomers dies out”. Nice one! Or maybe give them a gentle push as most of them seem a damn sight healthier than the obese wheezing, knock-kneed twentysomethings waddling around our way.
“The Beeboid techs screwed up at one point and actually showed that Straw was reading from a prepared text”
I saw that too and then I remembered Dimbleby at the beginning of the program say (and I’m having to paraphrase) “As per usual our panellists have no prior knowledge of the questions they are about to be asked.”
Excuse me while I rub my chin in a thoughful Jimmy Hill sort of way.
They all had an answer to the dead Poof story in the Mail. Noone beleives that Jack Feet of Straw or Hune etc read the bloody Mail, so how come they were so prepared, answer is they knew they were going to be asked. Dimblebut is a liar, and a nasty little fascist
6th quarter contraction – we are still in recession, this sucker is going down.
With figures like these and figures like Jakie Smith’s,we are well and truly screwed.
My wife and I were talking this morning before we stumbled out of bed,that Canada would be a good place to emigrate to – we are 46 and 47 yrs old – and once our kids have gone through University,we shall do so,cos this country will be like Germany in 1945 wihtin a decade.
There is simply no reason to live in England anymore.
Brown has made sure of that.
Canada’s got near as many Indians as your beloved shithole Blighty, you berk. Toronto/Ontario would make B’ham look quaint. Indians, given a choice, choose Canada/US to enter, over craphole UK.
Are you talking indiginouse “red” Indians or those from Asia and or Uganda?
Don’t go.
Britain is coming out of a 40 year illness.
The truth is starting to come out.
Anyway, Canada is run by Hells Angels.
Check the details. If by then you are over 50 you are unlikely you get the point score to be an ‘attractive’ immigrant.
We did, 67 points and the pass is 65, my husband and I are in our mid 50s.
With a figure like Jaqui Smith’s, she is very unlikely to get screwed!
Mr Griffin has some extreme views. Buried amongst them are some seemingly-sensible positions – particularly, and most pertinently, about immigration.
The National Front was all rage and no sense.
Its successor, the British National Party, appears to be mostly rage and a little sense.
It will also have a successor party.
They will have to get rid of Griffin to get anywhere – a leader who could not have a neo nazi past thrown at him would be dangerous.
I’m sure that was the first bullet-point in the job spec.
For Smith’s appearance next week on QT,I am prepared to pay for each member of the audience to wear a large pig’s nose over their faces.
And I would like to ask her this question;
“Which porn film does your husband prefer to watch when you are living in the box room of your main residence and does he do so because you are so utterly repulsive?
fuck off.
And how would you like us to “fuck off” oh Lord?
Can we now assume that when a minority party is represented on QT then all the questions will be about/directed at that party. Yeah right.
Thought NG did OK. How on earth did the BBC come up with that audience – doubt if it was sellective of anything except anti BNP views.
As for Jack – loads of words but no substance – some things never change.
Tories rolled out the their only non white unelected front bencher on QT… how poor is that.
BNP to kick the Irish out….. BYE BYE Guido
On the other hand, a trip to the BNP’s gift shop shows that they embrace decent feminist role models. So they can’t be all bad.
Do you think this whole thing was a ploy to get the Royal Mail strike, MPs troughing and Bankers bonuses off the front page?
Yes – Brown gets a few day’s holiday from terrible headlines.
These wont help him.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Business/Britain-Stuck-In-Longest-Recession-In-History-As-Economy-Shrinks-Again-In-Third-Quarter-Of-2009/Article/200910415412907?lpos=Business_Carousel_Region_0&lid=ARTICLE_15412907_Britain_Stuck_In_Longest_Recession_In_History_As_Economy_Shrinks_Again_In_Third_Quarter_Of_2009
yes.
In a world of increasingly depressing events, everything is a ploy to get everything off the front page. Can’t all win, I suppose.
LOVELY THOUGHT
Bloody modding
On the other hand, a trip to the Beanpea’s gift shop shows that they embrace decent feminist role models. So they can’t be all bad.
is Bonnie Greer one of them feminist bint lezza up her arse role models?
Strangely not.
But I bet they’ll be knocking out Sayeeda Warsi t-shirts by Monday
I had a model once. It was lovely. It was a glorious Hurricane used by those wonderful chaps from Poland.
Airfix have gone downhill since then.
Yep,mind the new spitfire is very good for the money!.
Of course Griffin and Guido failed to point out that Straw’s father abandoned his family when Straw was very young and he was brought up by his mother – and so was of very little relevance. Could also point out that Griffin’s father who shares his son’s racist views was a member of the Conservative Party for many years.
Of course it’s relevent.
The difference is that the issue of Straw and his family is very telling. Not many Marxist Cowards have a son ending up being a dodgy Cabinet Minister
The issue over Griffin’s father is mainstream.
Hostile to the host nation and with a history of supporting extremist organisations,
Straw comes from the sort of immigrants Britain could well do without.
The immigrants were on his mother’s side you ignoramus
People don’t get it do they, the EU and Immigration are two sides of the same coin, The EU elites knew all along indigenous europena woul dnever surrender their sovereignty, it’s human nature.
Hence Mass immigration to destroy Identity and the Nation state.
Perhaps the caption contest today should be the picture of British police with truncheons drawn trying to prevent protesters from entering an institution that they pay for,to prevent a Hitler supporter from appearing on a programme alongside the Injustice Secretary who is desperately trying to ban the public inquests from being open to the public,having already presided over the total disintegration of any law and order in this country.
Hmmm – nice and simple one.
economy shrank 0.4% in Q3
no more boom and bust eh?
best placed etc etc
Brown has to go now with that number, the Tory party can really lambast his policies as not working, so wrong on recovery attack by Labour needs re-thinking ha ha .
Recovery? What recovery? How dare you talk about recovery when thousands of British workers are still losing their jobs because of your mistakes!
lets hope they replay jonahs PMQ when he was going manic and holding hios left hand down. Wrong on receovery hoppe it haunts the cnt for ever. Woerst recession since records began,
Sadly it will be just another opportunity to nail Brown which will be lost by an ineffectual Cameroon next Wednesday.
BBC on teletext this morning telling the Nation experts say economy will grow by 0.2%, Country out of recession etc, Me thinking if the figures are due to be published very shortly anyway do they know something we don’t? Answer; No, Pravda spouting rubbish again- economy shrinks by 0.4%. Stick to facts in future and stop reading from Downing Street spin sheets. Th worst recession on record, its official.
He is half right we still have bust
According to wiki – Straws father ran off and left the family in poverty at an early age so I doubt that Straw gives 2 hoots about him.
Straws grandfather was jewish.
hoots are expensive.
>>>>>>>>>>Investigation<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Strong rumour the Black gentleman in the audience who had a scene stealing part of teh show and called Grifin disgraceful was a political activist from the Labour party and an actor.
One by one certain members of the audience will be exposed
I saw Charlton Heston near the back,cradling a gun as it is his right to carry one.
I also saw Ben Hur…no sorry that was Mr Heston too.Or is Charlton Heston dead?
Clint Eastwood was definitely there and I am positive I saw a crooked cabinet minister pretending to be a Justice Secretary – ah wait I am getting very confused now.
I am sure I noticed a car parked next to the audience seating for a quick getaway.
In fact I believe the guy is on BBC Live 5 at the moment very very media savvy, unbelievable
nah, he’s just a c unt.
Shock horror – the BBC doesn’t exclude political activists from a political discussion programme – of course the audience should be filled with those who are totally disinterested in politics. You will find that there were activists from all the main parties in the audience. Perhaps you should try and address why you believe the Labour Party activist’s views about Griffin were not correct – he did provide reasons – rather than indulging in McCarthyite smears.
David Dimbleby’s dad was there when the British 11th armoured Division liberated Belgan-Belsen on April 15th 1945. Richard Dimbleby was the first British reporter to report from a NSDAP concentration camp when he broadcasted from Belgan-Belsen.
“Here over an acre of ground lay dead and dying people. You could not see which was which… The living lay with their heads against the corpses and around them moved the awful, ghostly procession of emaciated, aimless people, with nothing to do and with no hope of life, unable to move out of your way, unable to look at the terrible sights around them … Babies had been born here, tiny wizened things that could not live … A mother, driven mad, screamed at a British sentry to give her milk for her child, and thrust the tiny mite into his arms, then ran off, crying terribly. He opened the bundle and found the baby had been dead for days. This day at Belsen was the most horrible of my life.”
Frankly,the only thing that dominated my mind during QT,was that the first mainstream party willing to take on the issue of immigration (not race based) …..listens to the electorate..and takes real action,will get huge support from the Public.
They do not have the cojones to do this,and so the BanP flourishes due to others’ inaction.
Take the issue on..fully,openly,honestly..with visible, tough but fair action… and the aforementioned scum party will die.
But for some reason,Politicians just never seem to be able to grasp this point – tell the truth and we shall trust you.
Certainly a gap in the market for “The Truth Party” – if we screw up,we shall admit it,learn from it and do better next time.
But all we get is the fraudster Brown;
“I am right and they are wrong on EVERYTHING!”.
You’re almost there Sleeper – just needs a little fine tuning. The first party that is anti Muslim but non race based will pick up huge votes. It’s just a matter of time. Oh, and if the BNP want to make further inroads then they really need to get a “clean skin” as leader.
All the panelists were repulsive; the audience was a rent-a-mob of trustafarian muslims spitting synthetic anger; the host was a skillfully discrete propagandist.
One positive thing came out of the experience for me – a decision to emigrate.
Me too – checking Canadian house prices as we speak.
The trouble is most folk have been left too skint to emigrate
But not as skint as if you stay here.
Canada require about 350k in hand plus skills or business acumen and sponsors – property tax is 10% per annum on the value. Ontario.
Fine by me. I wouldn’t want to live in Ontario anyway… and at least the Queen will still be my head of state, not Cherie and Tony.
I cant wait for you to go. You really dont want to be here so become an immigrant, sorry ex pat
Where you gonna go? There are places with more space and better weather but the sickness that infects Britain including out of control multi-racialism exists everywhere. Have a look at Canada’s intakes especially the Francophone Muslim and African elements. Unless you’re hoping to buy in the mountains Swiss Family Robinson style it might be best to advisable to circle the wagons and make a stand..
Not much to add really but I found it amusing how effectively and aggressively Griffin’s lies were exposed. He was thoroughly called out on his bullshit.
Makes you wonder why BBC/MSM find it so hard to dismantle blantent lies told by politicians from the ‘mainstream’ parties the rest of the time though, eh?
Butmassive lolz for pointing out Jack Straw Snr. was a much less enthusiastic anti-fascist than junior.
What about the lies of the liblabcon, the B/p are not in the Hoc /HoL . What about the lies of those who are shafting you, that of course is not really as bad as Griffin’s lies is it.
Reading comprehension is not your thing, is it?
I’ll make it simpler.
Griffin -> Tells Lies -> Exposed as such and aggressively taken down by panel & Beeboids.
[CON/LIB/LAB] -> Tells Lies -> Lies generally ignored/not as aggressively challanged by Beeb/Media
I want politicians of all parties to get the same kind of treatment Griffin got when he was blatently lieing.
e.g.
Expense rules being changed ‘retrospectively’
Plenty of helicopters in Afganistan
No requests for additional troops in Afganistan
Referrendum on EU Constitution
Clear?
We are still in recession folks!
http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=192
So much for Gordon’s promise that we would be first out!
Forget about all that, we’ve got fascism to fight.
Fascism increased 0% in the thrid quarter of ’09.
Hahahahaha, too right. Throw that laughable tractor stat right back in his face.
0% increase; spoken by the bloke that was in charge of sorting out UK plc accounts.
And I get asked why I spoil my ballot paper. Eejits!
But he will still be in power for the next 195 days because those around him have no courage, they are all weak and the country continues to suffer. All this debate about last night is deflecting from the real issue, this government is taking this country to the depths. We are now fast running in to the window of no possible election before February, how convenient!
End game is close, leaked news today that Police are going to be armed on the streets of England a day after the manipulated crime figures.
If British Police have now crossed the line and will carry arms on our streets and not in locked boxes in cars or at Airports and sensitive areas then the people have the right to bear arms.
Next step will be Police state.
So stop looking at the manipulation of creating a BNP row and see what the Hunt in number 10 is doing to this country
Look on the bright side – postal vote fraud will be eliminated with the posties on strike.
pay your bills and any cash that is left invest in physical assets (precious metals are usualy a good bet) and you will be fine.
if the country goes bust we just move from one pice of bogroll with a fancy print on it to another.
if that plan doesn’t sound that good then move to another country with what appears to be a stable currency.
last alternative is to get pissed for a few years and then see how things are going (and if your drinking you may as well smoke and get fat just to realy piss off the righteous.)
Strange that Jacquit Smith is on QT next week with no audible objections, when thieves like her sidestepping justice are probably the real reason for the BNP’s recent successes.
It is true the English have been politically ethnically cleansed.
Look at all official documents we cannot say English we have to saw British, while the Scots can say Scots and Welsh and Irish can retain their identity.
That is wrong
There is no definition of english or england. English is abstract now. Get over it.
The English (from Old English: Englisc) are a nation and ethnic group native to England, who speak English. The English identity as a people is of early medieval origin, when they were known in Old English as the Anglecynn.
stupid person in the extreme. I will not even bother to call you a Hunt you Hunt.
Prick.
Just wait till we get FULL devolution and the suckling celtic fringe off our teat.
Whenever I complete a form ,I cross out British and write “English”
Ingerland,Ingerland,Ingerland!!!!
You racist you
I believe the technical position is that the nationality is British but the country of origin is England. Depends on your definition of Nation versus Country.
3-2
Amend the documents before you send them back.
Tick two boxes instead of one.
Be a rebel.
My father always used to have to tick the box or join the queue marked “Alien”. Given the state of the nation’s education I think it would be a great wheeze to cross out everything and insert “alien”. The kids checking the forms somewhere will have nightmare visions of you straight out of Independence Day.
As many commenters have pointed out, the reason for the rise in the BNP vote is because of the working-class reaction against mass Third World immigration in the past twelve years. Other factors have followed from that: multi-culturalism (to make them feel at home), a huge increase in the cost of the Welfare State (to accommodate them and their family members), and Islamic extremism (because they think they can soon take over altogether).
For years, the BBC tried to prevent anyone even raising the issue of immigration — including the Conservative party in the past two elections — by smearing them as racists, or describing the whole subject (cue for BBC presenter’s wrinkled nose and brow) as “distasteful” or “abhorrent”.
It will be interesting to see what they do next, now that the issue is out in the open.
As for the person above who claimed that the BNP is “unpopular in multi-culti West London”, that would depend on which W postcode one happens to live in. Most of the BNP’s support comes from disaffected Labour voters on the Eastern side of town; they don’t put up candidates in this leafy area of West London. People here who are disaffected with mainstream parties vote UKIP — another party which for years the BBC tried to pretend did not exist.
WINSTON CHURCHILL ON ISLAM – IN 1899!
“How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries!
Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia
in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many
countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods
of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet
rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the
next of its dignity and sanctity.
The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as
his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must
delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased
to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid
qualities – but the influence of the religion paralyses the social
development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists
in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and
proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa,
raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity
is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it
had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell
the civilization of ancient Rome.”
-Sir Winston Churchill (The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages
248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).
And the survey says?…….
Cannot hear you at the back, Jack.
Clearly a racist Briton hater
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So proof that the BBC supports the Liberal Status Quo.
Griffin we were told was invited on QT because his party now has MEPs and many voters. But QT did not reflect this, it spent the whole hour attacking Griffin and not asking one political question of the moment.
If asked on topic questions Griffin would have ripped up Straw over illegal wars, ageism in the NHS, uncontrolled immigration, MPs expenses, lack of equipment for our troops and the banks.
No the BBC has shown its true Colours, it supports the government of the day, the political classes and the liberal (Con Lab) elite.
Scandalous
Exactly what I take home from this too. There was no justification for departing from the regular format of the program in order to create an artificial encounter with one panelist. No reason other than the one you state!
I agree, but Griffin should have seen it coming if he had any political expertise. They stitched him up and that was the intention of the BBC – he was foolish to agree to come on the show because it was obvious what would happen. This was not Question Time as usually seen but simply an unrepresentative audience, hand picked to ensure Griffin would suffer as much as posssible and questions that were not representative of current issues. ‘Dim’bleby was so obviously partisan that his role as chairman was simply a joke.
I could have chinned the bald, black chap who thought he was so clever in being vociferous amongst an audience where he knew he had full support. I would love to see the ‘brave’ baldy voice those opinions in another place with a white, working class audience straight from the sink estates of ‘multiculturalism.
Nicely put jack, that was exactlly my reaction to that bloke. A real shit stirrer who desrves his comeuppance. I hope our finest tabloid journos are making enquiries as to who exactly he is and his background.
Surprisingly the audience in the studio seemed better behaved than the other panellists who as usual just talked over the top of each other (and Griffin in particular) on numerous occasions.
Get me out of here, son.
Hide in the pantry dad!
This total bollox about today being the day Britain exits the recession caused by the fraudster Brown…..
So we wake up,open the curtains and low and behold,sunlit uplands and a beautiful day……..
All I think each morning is;
Another day near to the demise of the vile and corrupt Brown and his thugs.
Forget Griffin – the main threat is Brown being in power for a moment longer.
Hear, Hear, period!
Have got the full transcript here. It makes interesting reading.
I am sick to death of the BNP being described as a Far Right party. I emailed the BBC about this last week and they still have not replied to me.
Dear BBC, could you explain to me how the politics of someone like Milton Friedman are akin to those of Nick Griffin but more extreme?
They still have not got back to me. It is actually no surprise to me as they understand the value of Anchors as they all regularly go on NLP courses.
Propoganda is what we do.
All right wingers are a bit racist to the BBC.
If thats the best Auntie, her masters the so called main stream
and an impartial reasoning audience can do against Griffin.
A couple of more lessons at media school and 10′s the limit for him.
They had their chance!!
Why do people display such anger over the B&P, but not over the complete shambles the country’s economy is in?
Yes – bizarre isn’t it?
The country is dying and they are going beserk about ANOTHER one eyed monster.
Concentrate on Brown – the colour of crap.
Remember…… Right = Bad and Left =Good
The BNP are a left wing party, and their economic policies prove it – non free market, protectionism. Very right wing, not!
Big win for B&P despite Griffin’s poor showing. We now have two political parties – B&P and The Not the B&P. That was the impression.
That’s entirely correct. And the strength of ‘The Not the B&P’ will grow while the other is in terminal decline.
And you will remain Anonymous
So increasing their vote more than four fold in the last election and gaining their first MEPs is terminal decline is it. For heavens sake open your eyes! Scumbag Griffin loves blind dismissive hoons like you!
And the B’n'P website claims 3000 new membership enquiries this morning. I wonder how many new members QT garnered for Liebore last night? Dear, dear, Tristram, something is going oddly wrong surely? Arf, arf.
omg!
Let me correct myself. I meant to say:
‘the strength of ‘B&P’ will grow while the other is in terminal decline’
I am rightly chastised. I deserve to be anonymous.
Apologies.
These errors are easily done; look at last night! Behind Gordon’s back here in the bunker we’re all secretly holding a sweepstake as to which union will be the first to defect to the B’n'P.
Guido,
You must have been watching a different Question Time from me !
I await the opinion polls after the BBC Witch-Hunt
“He was in the Klu Klux Klan but not the violent part”
Freedom of speech is a great thing. It allows us, the public to see for ourselves who the idiots are.
This seems to be lost on rent-a-mob outside the BBC. Just let Griffin have his say and he will do more harm to his cause than you could ever do.
I was a bit disappointed that nobody in the QT audience bothered to ask Griffin about anything to do with the economy, Afghanistan, or any of the million and one other topics he doesn’t have a fecking clue about.
He was in the police but not the violent wing
Sort of like Sinn Fein/IRA then.
I liked that bit. It could almost be a friday competition.
“I have a pet lion, but its not the sort that eats people”
It seemed everyone, except Griffin, on Questions Time last night had their own grassy knoll.
It wasn’ae ma fult ye un’stn.
Ah sav’d tha wuld ye kno’
Ye shud be grat’ful tae mae!
It seemed everyone, except Griffin, on Question Time last night had their own grassy knoll.
Is it over yet? Can I come out now?
I thought it was a a real non-event.
I didn’t think I would ever see another figure in public life who was so obviously useless and lacking as gordon but I have to admit that griffin came across as a complete sleazeball who kept smirking and laughing in inappropriate places like some sort of village idiot.
I hate the B&P and Griffin BUT I think he did (splendid/wonderful/chubbytastic) jolly good. [endpost-hit submit]
In the last few days nell has been anything but an apologist for the bean pee, and on the contrary has been singularly effective in debunking their nonsensical ‘policies’.
It’s irony you moronic cock
Not much point posting a comedy stock response to a B&P arse-licker is there?
Jeeesus!
once you mention immigration the 3 main parties start fighting amongst themselves Griffen should take heart people watching will see that these parties haven’t got a clue what to do either
Gotta love the irony of a bunch of NuLab stooges lecturing people on the evils of tribalism.
Tribalist pigdog!
The problem can be simply summed up.
We have had too much immigration which has been concentrated into a small number of areas.
Multiculturalism hasn’t worked and can’t work. The immigrants we have need to become a part of our society as soon as possible and future immigration has to be curtailed drastically.
Immigrants should speak our language and adopt our dress code.
European women in Muslim countries are careful to dress in a way which does not offend the local population. We should demand reciprocity when Muslim women come here.
The danger is that the LibLabCon will do nothing, leaving the immigration and integration issues to the B&P alone.
LibLabCon will block any solutions to the problem and any discussion of the problem by condemning discussions as racist and any policy solution as a “B&P policy”
Under these conditions; B&P will prosper and grow.
Neatly put; a fair and accurate assessment.
The immigration problem is one of numbers, not of race. It is quite correct to say that many migrants congregate in certain parts of the country, and the resulting problems are consequently greater in those places.
Baroness Warsi did seem to acknowledge that, albeit grudgingly. Perhaps it’s a start, and a proper debate by the main parties and by decent people might develop – it’s the only way the problems can be understood and addressed, and the extreme parties marginalised and eliminated.
I think we should all be careful.Many posters on here write Griffin off as thick. I do not believe he is. Do you seriously think he came into last night’s arena expecting a fair hearing ? As many have said,he played the underdog card. What that did was expose the sneering contempt of the political classes for anything which disturbs their cosy club. It would have been worth spending
an hour exploring BNP policy.
This creates two situations:
1. People who see no point in voting for mainstream parties may be swayed by what they saw to support Griffin in future. He can now claim no-one else has the interests of true British people at heart and quote from this sorry excuse for a programme. All QT did was provide some more fuel for him.
2. His core vote are influenced by what they see happening in their daily lives,not BBC ranting sessions. They believe they have nowhere else to go to be represented,so some of what Griffin says is striking a chord with a significant number of people.
Why is that ? The QT idiots should answer that question first -Griffin can only prosper in a vacuum and who has created that?
The political classes have no clue and have adopted their usual,lazy tactics. Griffin is a threat because of the failures of government and dealing with him will take a little more than a lynch mob.
Unless the mentality changes, he will continue to make progress.
Griffin came across as shifty, evasive and a clown.
The Establishment came off as looking utterly clueless and desperate.
So while, the later slap each other on the back as a job well done, in the real world outside of the Westminster bubble and Islington, they have done themselves no favours whatsoever.
Oh, and the not so subtle attempts to de-legitimise the native population of these isles would have gone down like a lead balloon.
No need for plan B. Plan A worked perfectly. Lets watch the intelligensic. the left, the guardianistas, the chattering class not let someone who 2 million people vote for, not let them get a word in.
Lets have a audiance without a single person who lives in the areas that griffin represents. Lets ignore it all. Lets ignore the very group of people griffin is trying to influence.
Why not shut the fuck up, and let the guy fail with his democratic arguments.
The whole evening had one defining moment, when straw showed to be in total denial about a major concern for millions of britains, regardless of race or colour. the problems of mass migration.
As for the woman from America, who the fuck is preaching here, a rich american, didn’t she watch what happened to the poor in new orleans, sort out your country before you come and patronise this one.
That program went exactly as I expected, and so did griffin. People dont care what he stands for, their pissed with being ignored.
While not having any sympathy for the BNP, I thought it was typically hypocritical of Jack Straw to try to take the moral high ground on how troops from many countries died in two world wars fighting for Britain. This coming from a man whose government had to be shamed into allowing Gurkhas, who served and fought for Britain, the right to live here.
Now I understand why Jack Straw has turned out to be the pathetic individual he is. It must really rankle as a man of his religion to know that your father didn’t fight like other brave men in a war where so many of his ilk were murdered. Cowards come and cowards go but there’s no worse coward than the one you know.
It also explains why he ended up in a shithole like blackburn ! if he stood down essex they people would know his father was a coward ! he did stand there once but didn’t get in so ship him to a place where if a dogturd had a red rossett on they would vote for it and that my friends is history ! Just imagine if this had come out 30 years ago the people of blackburn would NEVER have elected him !He also refused to join the cadet force at his boarding school which was compulsory (peas from the same pod) springs to mind
As a foot note to straws father being jewish and refusing to fight the nazis ! i work for a nice old jewish lady called Mrs shneider last time i was in her flat their was an american liberator bomber model on top of her tv a asked why she had an american plane? she said that during the war her husband and 5 of his brothers flew bombers for the RAF “THAT MR STRAW IS COURAGE”
Very true.
Yet Straw had the nerve to tarnish Griffin, when his father was a great big coward that would rather go to jail than do his patriotic duty.
The apple has not fallen far from the tree.
this country has been multi cultural for hundreds of years. the empire was built on the combined efforts of different cultures so you claim that it can’t work is utter garbage.
an increase in resources and infrastructure and housing will however need to be supplied by the government and private sector to ensure fascists cannot get a foothold in this country.
and as for your talk of telling women what to wear you: I have never heard such a stupid comment in my life; telling women what to wear in England in the 21st century?
fuck off you wanker.
what a dick.
this country has been multi cultural for hundreds of years.
Utter rubbish. Until the 1950s, this country was remarkably homogeneous. Next you’ll be telling us the Turks saved us from the Armada, or some such PC nonsense.
the empire was built on the combined efforts of different cultures so you claim that it can’t work is utter garbage.
The empire was built on the sheer greed of the ruling British Establishment, and their ruthless exploitation of both natives of foreign lands and natives of Britain.
an increase in resources and infrastructure and housing will however need to be supplied by the government and private sector to ensure fascists cannot get a foothold in this country.
In other words we’ve got to spend vast amounts of money we can’t afford to accommodate more people we don’t need and don’t want. Brilliant! And when we’re done all that, we’ll import even more and start all over again.
and as for your talk of telling women what to wear you: I have never heard such a stupid comment in my life; telling women what to wear in England in the 21st century?
I think you’ll find that it is quite common in the Muslim communities for women to be told what to wear…even in England in the 21st century.
“I think you’ll find that it is quite common in the Muslim communities for women to be told what to wear…even in England in the 21st century.”
said the bn p cripple who then goes on to tell women what they should or not wear.
you are just as bad as the extremist muslims you c’unt.
you have caught yourself out you cretin.
DOH!
You are playing the man and not the ball. Argue the issues that have been raised without personal abuse. Everybody reading this has concluded that you lost the argument.
I took the ball of the end of your withered foot you cripple.
you imbecile. you have just been skulled by the great thick as thieves and you are begging the reader for a sympathetic hearing.
you are sad and pathetic.
next.
Dead right, tat. British muslim women freely choose to accept the role assigned to them in the koran. They have half the value of men and they’re happy to live their life like that. The men know what clothes are best for them, and don’t tell me that British muslim women aren’t happy with that, because they certainly are. The man is obviously head of the household, so it’s up to him to say when the women can go out or who they can talk to. Muslim women have always known this.
The problem with this country is that the men are letting the women do just what they like. So they end up being drunken slags or homosexuals. We never allow that and if it happens we know what needs to be done.
ADMIRAL AKBAR!
Sayeed Warsi didn’t, as some in CCHQ feared, screw up…
Here’s a comment from her in reply to Griffin’s reference to bogus asylum seekers.
‘There’s no such thing as a bogus asylum seeker, you are an asylum seeker … that’s a legal term’
Todays daily Mail:
Tories ‘will be tough on bogus asylum seekers’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-49963/Tories-tough-bogus-asylum-seekers.html#ixzz0Ukdz1l78
Correction, an old headline (obviously!), but presumably conservative policy hasn’t changed and they still understand what the term ‘bogus’ means!
Yes when she said that I cried with laughter – she deserves a good slap for being such a stupid moo!!! They were all trying to outdo each other in the ‘we love everyone’ contest but the best bit came from a lady who told off the self-righteous toads for using the term afro-caribbean when it should be african-caribbean. Love it when arseholes like that get it back!!!
Of course the Goverment turns a blind eye to illegal immigration etc, after all they are the ones employing these people as cheap domestic servants in their homes.
I believe Dimbleby used the term ‘Coloured’ too … fucking hilarious!
I guess he’ll have to apologise now!
Has she got a problem with big hair?
SIMPLE STATEMENT OF FACT.
WHILST SEEKING ASYLUM YOU ARE AN ASYLUM SEEKER.
IF YOU FAIL TO GAIN ASYLUM YOU ARE A DEPORTEE.
NOT HARD.
The term “asylum seeker” means one who seeks asylum. You can’t be a bogus asylum seeker, though it is certainly true that you can make a bogus claim for asylum.
That’s what Sayeeda Warsi was saying.
Incidentally, Hague didn’t use the term “bogus asylum seeker” there, the Mail did.
Griffin and the BNP are a thoroughly obnoxious bunch of c**ts. However, nearly 1m people voted for them recently. And, as far as I know, no muslims, jews, etc, have been killed as a direct result of their policies (I could be wrong).
Blair, on the other hand, started an illegal war in Iraq which has killed hundreds of thousands of innocents. And, as I recall, nearly 1m people marched against the war – which he completely ignored.
So, can we now have a QT with Blair on the spot too?
Some people feel discriminated against.
Some people feel they are treated unfairly.
Some people are discriminated against.
Some people are treated unfairly.
Some white people feel discriminated against.
Some white people feel they are treated unfairly.
Some white people are discriminated against.
Some white people are treated unfairly.
Now, in the sentences above, replace white with black, asian, indian, pakistani, muslim as you prefer.
Only the B&P which is a fascist violent organisation maintains that the real or imagined discrimination and/or unfair treatment is solved by discriminating against or treating unfairly others of a different race.
The problem is discrimination and unfair treatment.
The B&P is interested in gaining power. It is not interested in stopping discrimination or unfair treatment. It sees its path to power as fomenting discrimination and unfair treatment.
Racism is not the solution.
Racism is wrong.
Yep, and 2+2 equals 4 too Jonty…
How DO you come up with such insightful comments?
Mathematically there is no argument. 2 + 2 = 4.
However when persuaded effectively people will happily concur with the idea that 2 + 2 = 5.
In any event can people who have swallowed the racists’ dogma be brought round?
The racists capitalise on genuinely held anxieties and fears.
Try to be constructive.
Evil, evil, evil
Nice, nice, nice
Evil, evil, evil
Nice, nice, nice
Too facile, MB. Is curtailing inward migration “discriminating against or treating unfairly others of a different race”? Mmmm.
No and Yes
Facile.
We’ll need more Asian and Black soldiers for our war in Afganistan because White people like my dad are hiding in the attic.
Both myself and my father is proud that my family has a strong Jewish connection, but we are also proud of not helping fight the evil Nazis.
Justice Minister. Yes, I know about that.
That means I know what is right and just, yes ?
Has Nick gained an ounce of two?
It’s the bullet proof vest he wears.
Means you’ll have to aim for his head instead lmao
‘Sayeed Warsi didn’t, as some in CCHQ feared, screw up…’
Quote from Sayeed Warsi in response to Griffin’s reference to bogus asylum seekers.
‘There’s no such thing as a bogus asylum seeker, you are an asylum seeker, … that’s a legal term’
Daily Mail headline from a few years ago:
Tories ‘will be tough on bogus asylum seekers’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-49963/Tories-tough-bogus-asylum-seekers.html#ixzz0Ukh4Ml8U
Total Distraction, you’re all going to be dead soon anyway, they have all the wealth, you are now surplus to requirements, see ya.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread511373/pg1
I’ve just viewed many of the readers’ comments following the report in the Daily Mail. It seems that far from agreeing with all the journalists and PC brigade most are really supportive of Griffin in the way that he was treated etc. It is the left-wing thugs who appear to have egg on their faces.
“Churchill was a fucking cu.nt who led us into a pointless war with other whites standing up for their race”. B&P Director of Publicity
Agreed!
that’s because you’re traitorous Quisling Nazi Scum hiding behind Jack Straws absent father
What’s your chubby gay Fuhrer going to do when he tries to use posters of Churchill now when anyone can throw that quote back in his fat face?
Wriggle like a fat sweaty slug like he did when asked about his Holocaust denying? You could sense any small support he might have still had falling off a cliff as he tried to dodge that and failed spectacularly
Oh, I love it when you talk dirty…. Hugs and kisses.
Is Cartman’s mum based on Jack Straw’s?
TaT: You keep Putting your Capitol Headline Points Then Answering Them Yourself What The Fuck Is Wrong With You ?
And you seem Obsessed With people tThat Have Gay Lovers ! Have you Had A Bad Experience With One Or Are You Jelous That You Havent Got One ?
those posts were not made by me you dopey cripple.
please pay more attention.
oh, and are your thick as thieves fan club subscriptions up to date?
It’s like a convention of paste-eaters in here sometimes.
There are at least FOUR people I have seen mistaken for tat by these windowlickers. And I am not he either idiots. And as far as I can tell neither are those other people.
If I can tell the difference why can’t you ?
Or does an opposing view just short-circuit the melon-heads here and they just flail at the first name that they can remember ?
Anyone who swears gets mistaken for tat so superficial are some here.
We get it
You can’t stand that fatboy was made to look a fool but give it a rest
Nobody cares about little Nicky any more
That was his 5 mins of fame
To get a good kicking on the BBC and try to play a pathetic victim afterwards.
If he had any self-respect he wouldn’t hide behind weasel excuses or blub about a big bad BBC being too clever for him
His days as the chubby fascist poster-boy are now numbered and he will disappear into Euro troughing obscurity with the rest of the has-beens
It’s a good job he’s chubby otherwise you wouldn’t have any profundity in your statement.
This from the Nazi apologist with the failed punchline
TaT You Are A Twat That Hates Everybody And Everything Why Dont You Join The BNP They Love People like You ?
Maybe so. But the very real problems of mass immigration, Islamic expansion and Balkanisation are not going anywhere. In fact as every year passes, these problems will get inextricably worse.
How many times must it be stated. It is the establishment’s complete failure to address these problems that allows parties like the BNP to flourish.
Seeing as it was the British establishment that caused the problems in the first place, the very least they could do is clear up their mess.
Apart From Griffin They Were All In Denial Even When The Audence Said It !
More than eight million people watched the show, triple its typical audience.
At its peak, 8.2 million people tuned into the BBC1 show.
and they all saw nick griffin the white supremacist make a total cock of himself.
nick griffin is doing the anti fascist movement’s work for them.
well done!
anti-fascist = liberal elite’s rich kiddies popping down to the BBC for a jolly good shout about the Nazi’s, boo hiss! i wonder tat was your old man a CO and a coward ?
UAF ASSESSMENT IS SPOT ON.
YOUR OTHER COMMENTS ARE POINTLESS AT BEST.
I agree.
Giffin insults eight million Londoners.
http://page.politicshome.com/uk/griffin_to_make_formal_complaint_over_lynch_mob_question_time.html
The level of debate was utterly purile.
The lowest moment was when Jack Straw reprimanded Griffin for being “immoral”. My god. This from the lowest political party ever to rule these islands!
Let’s put it this way, both the BNP and the New Labour movement are immoral.
The BNP has a flawed moral stance, since it is saying that race is a defining charachteristic of human behaviour. This is mainly bollox. Bonnie Greer is not a raving seditious pinko because she is a black foreigner any more than Ken Livingstone can be relied upon to do some good for the country on the basis that he’s British. No-one can change their race, but they can choose their loyalties. On this basis the BNP is fatally flawed for me.
New Labour has a flawed moral stance, since it is saying that any degree of discrimination is wrong. On this basis we now have homosexual marriage and adoption forced down our (the unwilling majority’s) throat. Discrimination is vital for any civilisation that wants to continue. Without discrimination in the arts you end up with Damian Hirst and Tracy Emin. Without discrimination towards a moral point of view, instead of a French Jacobin rallying call to “equality”, you end up with a nation of 12 year old booze-sodden tarts and other depraved abominations that destroy the fabric of our society.
I can assure everyone that Jack Straw has never made a “moral” choice in his life. Neither has Peter Hain, nor has anybody in the Labour party almost by definition. Anti-discrimination is not equal to morality. If anything it is quite the opposite. Refusing to discriminate on a moral basis means that you are willing to accept immorality everywhere.
WELL PUT SIR !
Paddy thanks, one of the best put comments here.
Paddy thanks, one of the best put comments here.
Is that Paddy the Polish plumber´s bro´´?
More on Jack Straw here. What an odious family: http://eotp.wordpress.com/?s=Jack+Straw
I’m sure he needs no help from an old lag like myself but should Griffin be invited again there is one thing he can do to transform the cacophony of self-righteousness he endured at the hands of the other panellists into something more like fawning sycophancy.
He can join the Provisional IRA and actually go out and murder people.
They’ll be all over him like a rash.
It was like a panto with Griffin as the villain, panel, moderator and audience pointing fingers and shrieking. I doubt if this exercise changed anyone’s mind one way or the other. Still democracy had a token win for allowing the bete noir to appear, though there was no debate, only “I am more righteous than thou” indignation.
Would Churchill have been in the Bnats? I think it might not have been extreme enough for him
on Eugenics:
”The unnatural and increasingly rapid rise of the feeble-minded and insane classes, coupled as it is with a steady restriction among the thrifty, energetic and superior stocks, constitutes a national and race danger which it is impossible to exaggerate. I feel that the source from which the stream of madness is fed should be cut off and sealed up before another year has passed”.
~ quoted in Andrew Roberts, Emellient Churchillians
Home Secretary Winston Churchill, an enthusiastic supporter of eugenics, reassured one group of eugenicists that Britain’s 120,000 feeble-minded persons “should, if possible, be segregated under proper conditions so that their curse died with them and was not transmitted to future generations”. The plan called for the creation of vast colonies. Thousands of Britain’s unfit would be moved into these colonies to live out their days.
~ Edwin Black, War Against The Week
On ‘international Jewry’:
The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all of them, have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilisation and for the reconstituition of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognisable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.
There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others. With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the leading figures are Jews. Moreover, the principal inspiration and driving power comes from the Jewish leaders. Thus, Tchitcherin, a pure Russian, is eclipsed by his nominal subordinate Litvinoff, and the influence of Russians like Bukharin or Lunacharski cannot be compared with the power of Trotsky, or of Zinovieff, the Dictator of the Red Citadel (Petrograd), or of Krasin or Radek–all Jews. In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more astonishing. And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable cases by Jewesses. The same evil prominence was obtained by Jews in the brief period of terror during which Bela Kun ruled in Hungary. The same phenomenon has been presented in Germany (especially in Bavaria), so far as this madness has been allowed to prey upon the temporary prostration of the German people. Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the latter in proportion to their numbers is astonishing.
~ Winston Churchill, ‘A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People’
on Race:
”The qualities of mongrels are rarely admirable, and the mixture of the Arab and negro types has produced a debased and cruel breed, more shocking because they are more intelligent than the primitive savages. The stronger race soon began to prey upon the simple aboriginals; some of the Arab tribes were camel-breeders; some were goat-herds; some were Baggaras or cow-herds. But all, without exception, were hunters of men. To the great slave-market at Jedda a continual stream of negro captives has flowed for hundreds of years. The invention of gunpowder and the adoption by the Arabs of firearms facilitated the traffic by placing the ignorant negroes at a further disadvantage. Thus the situation in the Soudan for several centuries may be summed up as follows: The dominant race of Arab invaders was unceasingly spreading its blood, religion, customs, and language among the black aboriginal population, and at the same time it harried and enslaved them..”
~ Winston Churchill, The River War
To Churchill, Negroes were ”n1ggers” or ”blackamoors,”, Arabs ”worthless,” Chinese ”chinks” or ”pigtails”, Indians ”baboos” and South African blacks ”Hottentots” …
Churchill, writes Andrew Robers, ”found Indians ‘the beastliest people in the world, next to the Germans”.’ []
…During the war, Churchill ranted against Indian demands for independance. ”I hate Indians”, he said. ”They are a beastly people with a beastly religion”. Beseeched by Amery and the Indian vicetoy to release food stocks in the wartime famine, ”Churchill responded with a telegram asking why Gandhi hadn’t died yet”. []
~ Pat Buchanan, The Unnecessary War
”I do not admit… That a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia… by the fact that a stronger race, a higher grade race… has come and taken their place.”
~ Michael Lind, ‘Churchill For Dummies’
Jeeezzz, and always thought he was just a fat bloke with a big cigar.
My, how we could do with him today!
For five years he was the right man,for the rest of his political life he was a disaster.
Did anyone actually read that mentalist’s rant?
Well, obviously you did otherwise you wouldn’t have classified it as a rant.
The inventor of concentration camps can’t be wrong
When I was inciting “Churchill” I omitted to clarify that I was referring to the rather nice insurance company with those amusing adverts on the television.
The other “Churchill” will be redacted from the history books just as soon as Ed Balls can manage it. Is that ok now?
That’s the scary thing isn’t it. You have to say your talking about the politician & not the bleedin’ dog these days. People don’t do history anymore.
NOT REALLY THE CASE IS IT?
A loaded, unrepresentative audience, with a lot of people who seemed to have come along to strike rhetorical poses rather than ask serious questions… Even the chairman was looking to put the boot in.
Not really Question Time’s finest hour.
It is true that Griffin’s policies – most of which resemble those of left wing labour MPs – don’t make sense, but this ‘discussion’ generated a lot more heat than light.
The impression it all left me with was of a failed, corrupt establishment and its outriders, terrified of any perceived challenge to their cosy system – however minor it might be.
Which accounts for half the Beenpoles vote,not rascism
I know that griffen has a 2.2.degree and therefore regards himself as intelligent.
But last night showed that he lacked intellect. He was completely unable to articulate the beanpea’s policies or make his views sound even remotely reasonable.
It seems quite clear that he will make an extremely poor quality MEP. Though I suppose he’ll spend most of his term as an MEP working out how to leech as much money in expenses as possible from the EU.
He clearly struck a chord with the audience on the immigration issue along with the Tory woman who said that the Conservatives would set a numerical limit on it. This rather begs the question of what limit they are going to set, whether they will actually try to enforce it & whether such enforcement is possible within the EU.
While it may be OK for the guests to gang up on 1 member it is clearly wrong for the BBC to orchestrate this & the fact that everybody, including Dimbleby, had old quotes to hand shows they did.
Jack Straw, being a student communist leader presumably has a number of equally dodgy opinions in his past & of course the BBC which assured us that our openly genocidalNazi friends in Yugoslavia were “moderate minded multiculturalists”is certainly dar more fascist & racist than the BNP could ever aim at.
This is a long-standing policy, Neil. Clearly you were outof the country at the time of the last general election.
Paliament would set an annual limit according to the needs of the nation.
As far as Griffin’s “old quotes” are concerned, he still holds the views that he espoused before. He’s still a nasty, poisonous little fascist.
The whole audience ,panel and host were against him he did not get chance to get any points across totally one sided ,lets get him up here and bully him tacktics from failed politicians and a carefully selected audience ! and no im not a bnp supporter
Ummm… yes you are.
Nick Griffin’s one good line, which flummoxed Jack Straw after he had struck a Churchillian pose, was to point out that whilst his own father had served in the RAF, Straw’s father served jail time for refusing to fight fascism.
My dad’s better than your dad? Epic fail.
I wonder what he did in the RAF. Clearly something quite dull otherwise he’d have boasted about it.
He fixed the radios in spitfires. Hardly Douglas Bader but at least he was doing his bit.
Whatever happened to the British tradition of free speech. What happened to the right to say what you think, whether its right or wrong.
Who are these people that think they have the right to gag anyone.
This was a victory for the BNP purely on the basis of the fascists that tried to prevent a legal political party from engaging in political debate.
This sorry episode showed the rioting protesters as the fascists not the BNP.
Whether Griffin is a bumbling idiot, a Monster Raving Loony or a political giant with stunning oratory has no bearing on the fact that he has a right to be heard.
You and I may not like or agree with his message, but this is Britain not Zimbabwe or Nazi Germany.
STOP.. using violence to try to gag people.
And No… I didn’t waste my time watching what was sure to be a biased programme.
Am I the only one that finds Syeeda Warsi very sexy?
About as sexy – and pointless – as a lesbian menopause.
LOL!!!! Nice one.
Clearly!
Plenty other exotics who are really very attractive and sexy out there.
But she’s so georgous! I’d like a threesome with her and Sharmi Chakrabarti.
If only she could learn to keep her gob shut!
I’ve fucked better looking camels.
You beast!!!!
You mean – “humped”
The libreals proved to be the usual pile of stools they always are – you can;t blame us, we have never formed a government.
The BBC changed the format of the programme, and instead of debating the Royal Mail and Economy etc … we got the ‘let’s bash the BNP show’. Dimbles was absolutely rubbish at handling the debate and completely one-sided. The crowd was full of left-wing progressive/communists hand picked by the BBC to agree with the diveristy policy exercised by the Brown Broadcasting Corporation. They even gave us a ‘diverse’ bunch of anchors to read the news about the disturbances outside on News 24 [who obvioulsy knew nothing about the geography of the BBC HQ itself].
Greer needs to go back to school > Not anyone could be a true Roman Citizen. You had to earn Roman Citizenship. Current evidence suggests that modern man did not come from Africa. Even Darwin theory and the ape-man argument is being disproved. During the Ice Age the British Isles did not exist, the ice (when it melted) created it. Couldn’t the British Museum find a qualified Historian to give that job to?
Jack Straw looked like the ‘t**t from Labour’ as ever. The man seems to have a few family issues and a few problems with his own identity. We did not fight WW2 for the Jewish people, hell it wasnt until 1945 that the average man on the street even knew about the camps and we did not win either World War due to the number of immigrant soldiers.
However, on a positive note he at least he confirmed Labour’s immigration strategy – ‘let them all in’. Jack Straw showed that he was immature, lacking any discipline, limited on his historical knowledge and a very poor politician. A jsutice secretary cannot offer immunity to anyone – in fact he has no legal power when it comes to managing an offence. But to the benefit of everyone he illustrated that immigration is the weakest link in Labour’s policy – which is why we get the ‘book of diversity’ thrown at us everyday.
Last night we experienced a reading from the book of ‘freespeech is good as long as you don;t have an opinion that may differ from mine’
The BNP are a left-wing party. And like the Communists or Fascists, all extremism stems from the left – and this is a historical truth.
Griffin did OK for a man who was setup from the start. He was nervous, I would be. It was his first time so give him a break. No one wanted to let him speak especially when some of his points were really good. And based on an alternative to Jack Straw I may even vote for him.
The conservatives are too soft and wimpy. When was the last time they visited Little England? The conservative party are too close to Labour on the ‘real social issues’ so I will stick with UKIP.
The BBC and the newspapers have given us the London view of Britain.
We should expect more. At least Griffin achieved something – this is the first time I have ever heard any politician debate immigration and look how poorly they all showed themselves to be …
Griffin was learning the ropes, he laid a few good eggs, but our seasoned professionals [politicians, guests and compare] looked like they were chasing chickens … I expect more for my pound and if they get people voting, then the BNP deserve success.
Greer is a trustee of the British Museum,recommended by Broon apparently and another example of British culture being dumbed down by warped minority interests forced on the majority.She’s certainly ignorant of history and acts like she should be trussed up and taken to the funny farm.
BTW.
Churchill was a known admirer of Italian fascism and believed that Mussolini had found a formula that would neutralize the appeal of communism, namely super-nationalism with a social welfarist appeal. Churchill went so far as to say that Fascism “proved the necessary antidote to the Communist poison.”
He also said “One may dislike Hitler’s system and yet admire his patriotic achievement. If our country were defeated, I hope we should find a champion as admirable to restore our courage and lead us back to our place among the nations.”
So Griffin may have had a point …
Alessandra Mussolini is just such a babe.
Agreed, but Carla Bruni tops them all.
Griffin was a sideshow. Why did Dimblebore or anyone else not pick up on the absolute hypocracy of Jack Straw. How has Straw got the gall to shed crocodile tears about our armed forces and ethnic minorities when he and his tawdry government have treated our troops so poorly and completely shat on the gurkhas, save for the kind attentions of the wonderful Joanna Lumley.
Is Nick Griffin Welsh?
No he’s one of ours.
There aren’t many gay Afro Caribbeans, are there? I heard he had a 4-year affair with a fellow, male, National Front activist.
Wrong – it was a ‘female’ activist.
The victim rarely comes out well at a public lynching. At least Griffin is still alive.
Saying that it takes skill to upset both sides of an issue as Griffin did – more than once.
I think the message from Question Time is that Griffin should be quietly sidelined and another leader – a clean skin – found to take his place.
It is a clever person who has the wit to see the time has come to call it a day as a leader. Let us hope he is as clever, and patriotic, as claimed.
We need the B/N/P, but I think Griffin is now a proven liability. Past ghosts.
Its ironic that Griffin used the word lynching as he’s the one who supports the organisation that do lynch people (the KKK).
Griffin does have an impressive amount of baggage.
So has Collett and Bomber Lecomber.
Simon Darby?
Simon Darby?
Some suspect MI5 involvement there.
If not, we all know the intelligence services will be in there somewhere!!!!!
The B/N/P top brass must all sit around the table wondering which one of them it is.
Sadly whilst busy watching the B/N/P it seems that islamic extremists are way down in priority.
The B/N/P haven’t hurt anyone yet and don’t appear the ‘bombing sort.
The majority of muslims want to impose sharia law and destroy our culture and democracy.
Reminds you of our wonderful police force.
Handing out speeding tickets and giving thugs and robbers a free pass.
And of course the lib/lab/con don’t even accept we English exist whilst falling over themselves to protect, to give houses and benefits to every minority with a foot in our door.
A personable individual with no baggage would make this lying, conniving, theiving pack of politicians shake in their shoes.
No matter who is chosen if/when Nick Griffin is replaced as leader of the BNP — dirt will be found on him — and if not found will be providentially manufactured. Whats amazing is that the MSM has never outed Jack Straw’s sullied history — both personal and family.
What a spectacle!!!!
Nick Griffin was brilliant, defending himself from all comers in a professional and styling manner.
Mind you that was not difficult given the opposition. Jack Straw was laughable, Chris Huhne was, well, liberal. Wass-ername was a complete non-entity and Bonnie Greer was the token black.
As for the audience!!! Balanced? More like unbalanced!!!
I laughed so much I almost joined Nu Labour
Neither the panel, in particular Straw as he was the 1st to make it personal, nor the audience covered themselves in glory. A baying mob is how would describe them. I suspect they & the panel did more for BNP recruitment than any rally ………. sad init & remember one million people have already voted for them disregard THEM at your peril ……….. as they have proven albeit in small numbers they ARE prepared to come onto the streets
The BBC have had over 350 complaints about their biased programme, that’s not enough – >> here is the link to complain…
https://www.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms/
Griffin made an amusing point about his and Straw’s families. But as Jack Straw demonstrates, we cannot choose our parents. And as Nick Griffin proves, we cannot choose our children.
Griffin came across as a deranged, creepy extremist. By that performance we’ve nothing to worry about – no hope of power at all. I mean, who would let a weird, socially inept, one-eyed political obsessive lead the country? Oh, hang on…
I didn’t see the ‘show’ so I’m commenting on second hand info. No doubt I’ll be swiftly corrected / insulted if the detail is wrong: –
Evidently Jack Straw commented he would ‘see to it’ that Griffin avoided prosecution in the event he (Griffin) outlined his ‘holocaust denier’ views to the assembled company and TV audience, Griffin having refused to do so on the grounds that such explanations are illegal under European Law.
Whether or not Straw could, in reality, ‘see to it’, the comment well illustrates just why the UK’s headlong hurtle toward the status of ‘banana republic’ is pretty much impossible to prevent. Notions of arbitrary State command and displays of ‘rule exemption’ munificence by individual Ministers of the Crown, acting on a whim whilst appearing on banal TV chat shows, appear to have all too swiftly crossed the mind of this particularly rancid individual, and certainly well ahead of counter notions such as the Rule of Law to which all are subject whatever the circumstance.
Additionally, as previous commenter’s have noted, having a ‘pop’ at Straws dad was way below the belt. What his dad did is not Straws responsibility. It seems however, that Griffin missed a trick here, as what is his responsibility is his own action in (so I read this morning) refusing to join the air cadet force at his boarding school – which was, so it is claimed, compulsory. There’s not too much doubt about it then – he’s not so keen on this nasty military violence bit himself – however manifested, which is actually fair enough – but judging by his voting record he’s not nearly so averse when it comes to putting others in harms way. Hypocritical, craven, unprincipled bastard, immediately springs to mind.
Straw is a coward, like his father before him. I’ve always thought of him as one of the most irritating MPs in the House. He never answers a question in a straight manner, and is therefore not to be trusted. Griffin at least speaks his mind, you may not like what he says, and on most issues we still dont know because Dimblebut screwed up and allowed the show to descend into a student union farce. If I had to decide between The Griffin – (incidently at school we called a fart a griffin as in “who’s griffed”) or Feet of Straw to spend a night in the boozer with I would go for The Griff, on the basis that Feet O Straw would drive me to distraction. Straw looks and sounds like a prissy nerd, whereas The Griff looks like G Browns second counsin twice removed.
I have nothing more to say really, the BBC lost this one hands down, the BNP did well and Straw has been exposed as a coward like his father. Dimblebut was disgraceful, I hope he does the same to Caroline Lucas, a total nut case who wants to shut down all our electricity power stations. I’m off to the wine bar for a large glass of dry white with the Chavs and other indiginous types.
I agree with your comments about my son (hypocritical, craven, unprincipled bastard, immediately springs to mind) I am sorry but if I had been around more instead of in prison I would have brought him up better.
“Hypocritical, craven, unprincipled bastard…”
If you’re going to refer to Straw in that way at least mention him by name. Like father like son in my view!
Jack’s nothing like his so called cowardly dad. He’s a dead ringer for me, a commie bastard cheap crook with social aspirations way above my station. Dirty little pervert too.
Would Jack Straw not be better “seeing to it” that the American extradition request for that daft computer geek was refused and fix him up with a job with MI5 as his talents could be put to better use Im sure. ( They could also let him see some kid on top secret files with pics of Flying Saucers in it to keep him happy
In a parallel world, here is old Trot ‘Jack’ Straw at about 1 minute in, he with the megaphone:
The arrogant dismissal of English culture by New Labour could eventually lead to armed conflict in a future England,however far fetched it seems now.Civil war may happen as the legacy of multiculturalism.
Straw also made a criticism of Jan Moir article in the Mail, when she discussed Stephen Gatelys death. He made pious comments at the article being odious. The article makes criticism of Gatelys cannabis use. What odious about that Straw. You were the man after all who grassed (excuse the pun) his 16 year old to ob for possessing the `erb
No Straw didn’t grass his son… his son was stung by 2 news of the world reporters, Jack was Home Secretary at the time and the matter was spun with how Jack had been let down and how sorry we must all feel for him etc. etc. and how wicked the NoTW were for playing such a dastardly trick on a Cabinet minister’s brat.
Straw did, however, grass up a fellow student at uni re cannabis to the police, resulting in the student being sent down. No spin on the guy’s behalf at the time from Mr. Straw.
Prats like Straw prosper in a society which does not have the mechanisms to make them properly accountable and in which they can lie and spin to attain and maintain power.Look at Hain,Hoon.Vaz,Harman,etc.They laugh at us as they feed at the public trough.
It’s just dawned on me. The only way Labour have a chance of winning the next election is to dilute the Tory vote with support going to the BNP. I thought something odd was going on when Jack Straw and the rest played into Nick G’s hands. Whatever you think about Jack Straw , he’s not stupid and would not have taken that sort of attitude if it didn’t somehow work for him. Beware.
Guido, I agree with you on most things but I am absolutely flabbagasted that you think that Nick bringing in Jack’s dad was “a good line”. I don’t know the details of Straw Senior’s conscientious objection, but you know it might just be possible that he had a good reason (mental unstability for example). And anyway, as other posters have pointed out, we can’t chose our parents. Can you really say that you would be prepared to orphan your children and lay down your life for your country, no matter how futilely? You’ll never know, as you’ll never get the oppertunity. Anyway. I know this post is quite pompous: it’s only because you are usually so good.
“An appeaser is one who feeds the crocodile hoping it will eat him last.” – Winston Churchill
Noughtpointzero, there were plenty of opportunities for people to oppose fascism and serve their country without talking life. Many Jews who escaped from Germany were not in the front line because of their possible fate if captured by the Nazis and lots of them served in the Pioneer Corps building defences in the UK. Others such as Quakers volunteered for the AFS (Auxiliary Fire Service) as well as the many rescue brigades that were active during te blitz.
Lots were decorated for their bravery in dangerous conditions wihout being faced with the need to kill anyone.
I would like to know more about Straw’s Old Man but being locked up must have been for a serious reason.
Battle-fed. Actually many Jews in this country couldn’t even fight – I know an Austrian Jewish woman whose family came to Britain in 1938 to escape kristallnacht and when war started her father was interned on the Isle of Man because he was an “enemy alien” in spite of his repeated attempts to join the army to fight fascism.
So lets get this right you are saying the fight against The Nazis was “Futile” and that Jack Straws Father may have been mental ?
Where did it all go wrong…
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I was wondering whether there are any white sheep in Jack Straw’s family.
When Griffin evaded the Holocaust denial question with something about EU law, Straw said something about that as Justice Secretary he would guarantee that Griffin would not be charged for anything he said in his answer. Has Straw got the power to do that? Also I thought that there was little the British justice system can do if another EU state issues an arrest warrant for some charges?
He may have had the power to block an extradition, but Mr Griffin’s new job as an MEP includes travelling to Strasbourg, France to sit in the EU parliament so they would have been able to nab him then.
Straw was lying, he doesn’t make the laws, the EU does, he just rubber stamps them, wouldnt surprise me if Straw was trying to set him up.
Even if not illegal, Nu Lac have a habit of changing laws to get at the BNP, like thre retrial and now outlawing their membership requirements after 15 yrs just because they got 2 MEP’s.
Griffins only fault was that he went on to be pleasant and nice and he continued with that tactice even when ot turned Nasty ( which was as soon as he walked on )
Next time Nick, try to remember you are dealing with a Panel of Treasonous, Genocidal, Mass murdeering thieving war criminals and a bunch of Left wing brainwashed usefull idiots, no one in that studio was your superior.
I’m sorry, I’m forgetting my Left wing BBC Brainwashing I should have started this with, I’m not racist but……will here do instead…..
Please mr Minority take my country, my childrens birthright but please please please don’t call me racist.
It’s time we took this country back..
Labour opened the floddgates to rub the nose of the right in it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222613/Labour-let-migrants-engineer-multicultural-UK.html
Well whatever anyone thinks about Nick Griffin and his party, he is the only UK politician I can think of who has openly questioned the impact of uncontrolled immigration and Islamic fundamentalism on the UK way of life.
[I voted Scottish Nationalist Party, so what do I know about politics !]
I even feel uncomfortable writing this, because I feel I have been brainwashed with ‘Political Correctness’ for so long, and to dare to even raise these points I could be branded racist.
There is something seriously wrong with British politics, and I don’t know where we are heading. I am trying to get another job overseas, as I am getting more and more disillusioned with the distortion to UK standards and beliefs – and I don’t want to be paying more and more taxes for a poor standard of living.
A good post, well said.
Can I suggest That Question Time get a new Chairman , Jeremy Kyle would do nicely after last nights show.
So, whose dad would be spinning in their box, I wonder, seeing how their sons had made out?
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Have to laugh with all this talk about our culture and the Rise of Islam taking over our “Christian” Heritage. I take it all you guys will be crowding out the churches on Sunday ??? No….thought not !
i most certainly will but got to be in the boozer for 12 or all the nibbles will be gone.
Apparently the Spitfire the BNP have used in their posters is from the Polish Squadron. You couldn’t make this stuff up!
Nick Griffin said that at the launch of that election campaign. It was chosen precisely to note that many people had valued and fought for the British independence that the corrupt establishment parties are betraying.
Walter Straw was in The Peace Pledge Union which opposed ANY war with Germany and opposed Conscription in 1939 and had a newspaper Peace News which supported Hitler’s right to The Sudetenland.
So Jack Straw’s father opposed any war against Adolf Hitler and went to prison for his beliefs….presumably a different prison from Oswald Mosley
Since loads of pro-Germany, pro-Hitler people were in the Peace Pledge Union – being anti-war of course, they were all probably snuggled up cosily together in prison too. A bit like the anti-war lefties today snuggle up with the islamofascists … plus ca change.
The Treaty of Versailles and in particular the influence of Woodrow Wilson in fixing post World War 1 borders wthout much regard for racial,linguistic,and cultural issues,helped pave the way for World War 2.The Germans in the Sudetenland became an angry and discriminated against people and their support for Hitler was a matter of expediency.After their brief ascendency in World War2 most were ethnically cleansed and dispossessed or brutally murdered by avenging Czechs and their continued claim on their former homes is the reason the Czech Republic won’t sign the Lisbon Treaty.
Not all bad then.
After watching the first 20 minutes of bear-baiting on Question Time, I felt too embarrassed to watch the rest of this Kafkaesque fiasco, although I did catch bit more of this media mugging. It was like a bad dream (after eating too much cheese) where Afro-American feminist pseudo-historian zombies, squinty Jewish zombies, ANAL trolls and dribbling corpse-like White liberals all crawl out of the swamp en masse and lay siege to your home while you’re in bed. And if you get your axe to chop them up, you’re arrested.
It was a stitch-up, of course, but I can only imagine Griffin was led into a false sense of security. But then again he did say he expected it to be “political blood sport”.
So . . . Using the Question Time format as an excuse to bear-bait the BNP. Covering Nick Griffin in chocolate and throwing him to the lesbians. Can it get any worse? Now Channel Four weighs in with a season of coloured television: http://raceandscience.channel4.com/
That one good line of Griffin’s, Guido. The punch that hit home on Jack Straw (My dad was in the RAF fighting fascism and yours was merely a conscientious objector) was one below the belt, because none of us can be blamed for what our parents did. Straw wasn’t even born.
And the points they made against Griffin weren’t below the belt? They dug up some ancient history on him to make him look bad. Why doesn’t anyone ever go on about half the cabinet being ‘ex’-communists.
When you look at the history of the last 40 years it’s hard to imagine that both parties are not trying to destroy Britain in many ways (apart from an all-too-brief pause in the eighties).
Griffin does look shifty, but he had guts to stand up against that lot, and like it or not he is the only voice that many people have.
Sayeeda Warsi didn’t, as some in CCHQ feared, screw up…
She gave her usual mediocre performance, so I guess that counts as “didn’t screw up”.
And, er, fudging her islamically correct anti-gay views didn’t count as screwing up?
Actuaally sayeeda warsi was pretty direct about the need for mainstream parties to tackle the concerns of immigration, deprivation and poverty head on.
I didn’t hear anyone ask griffen what he would do to solve our burgeoning welfare culture, did you? I wonder what he would have said?
its funny that here is a blog about the *** but if one uses the term *** it is deleted – whats all that about then
Who gives a tinkle….. the troughers still trough.
what no Gassings,uuummm.
impartial.
The other panel members were useless.
The two points Griffin raised were ignored the failure of immigration policy over the years, and the shameful silence on the sexism of Islam.
Try being white underclass on the worst estates and getting the worst schools and the worst GPs
Try having your job literally taken by one of the hundreds of thousands of Indian nationals here on inter company transfer visas working for one of the big outsourcing vendors
There are genine concerns that the people have
There is no equality and fairness for the white underclass
So all in all fixing the issues which the BNP being elected raise has not even begun
The main parties need to look a lot harder and be more representative
Guido says “Told you so”
Every newspaper and every media commentator has put the boot into the “vile Nick Griffin “. Yet if you go to the BBC Have Your Say website this is the most popular comment with the public -
“Nick Griffin stands up and says what a lot of people in the UK think on subjects like immigrations, Muslims and homosexuality, but they are too frightened to say it because of political correctness.”
The next 30 comments thought it was a BBC witch hunt, biased etc. (I stopped counting after 30.)
I think Guido should get out more.
Yes I thought Griffin performed badly . How would Gordon Brown react in a five against one fight in front of a hostile audience ?
I do not support Griffin or the BNP but I drink in pubs where I am the only one who doesn’t. The political / media class do not have a clue.
Griffin didn’t come off worst. Straw’s party did. Griffin has nothing to lose. Labour has, and Griffin’s performance helped them to lose it.
What has happened to our country when a British politican can be humilated by mainly immigrants in his own country. How did it get to this?
Because this is globalisation,the mixing of peoples in a rapidly expanding world population, the expansion of cheap long distance travel,global economics,political and military alliances etc.Wholly black or yellow or white countries are becoming a thing of the past,and the process will iinexorably continue with the richer countries bearing the brunt of demographic change and the resulting problems of social adjustment.It is unstoppable.
I’m Asian and live in South Asia. My suggestion is you visit Asia, Africa or China and see how careful we are to protect our ethnicity. Its only white countries that feel guilty enough to allow themselves to be browbeaten into agreeing to ethnic cleansing by race replacement.
I think Nick Griffin is a real hero standing up, “Proud to be White,” and “Proud to be White.” I wish him success in helping preserve the character of a beautiful Island and a great people.
Although I agree with Colonel Nut on the huge headache that globalisation is bringing, I have to agree with Meenamma – most peoples take their ethnic identities very seriously. Look at Japan for example. No way will they just let in loads of non-Japanese. No way! They have the same demographic problems looming that we do here in the UK, but instead of importing cheap foreign labour like our idiot politicians here, the Japanese are working on developing robotics to take care of their elderly. Our politicians are just too suckered on neo-liberal economics and their crazy cosmopolitan ideology.
By all rights Griffin should be irrelevant. What’s making him relevant to people – particularly those at the bottom of the social pile – is that Griffin and the BNP are articulating the big problems that the mainstream parties are creating and so are too scared to discuss in any meaningful way; mass immigration, globalisation, islamification, the middle class elite, the wealth gap.
Refusing to address these problems is driving decent people into the arms of the BNP.
The BNP will continue to grow until one of the main parties takes on these issues, which ultimately boil down to one main problem, like Colonel Nut says – it’s the globalisation stupid.
I do agree that in the short term i.e.this century, immigration to the U.K. and other Western countries has to be controlled to maintain quality of life for the majority but in the longer term ethnic, social and economic changes are inevitable for better or worse.The course of history has never been static.
Even your name ‘s not real.
Poor old beanpea party reduced to pretending to be asian in order to bolster their political credibility.
How amusing!!!!
Well Nell, I think you will find his stance is very much the norm in Asia.
All those Europeans who thought they owned property in Goa have recently found out that they don’t own property in Goa because they’re Europeans. Hmmm.
I’ve travelled extensively in Asia,Africa,and China.There are no countries without ethnic minorities but numbers,preservation of culture,degrees of assimilation,rights,and conflicts,are very variable.China for instance has 55 recognised ethnic minorities numbering almost 130 millions, some of whom retain distinct identities and some such as the Tibetans and Uighurs subject to conflict and repression.The dynamics of change are everywhere and even North Korea will eventually open up to global culture,fast food,football
etc to dilute ethnic differences. As bigger richer countries and political boundaries change change smaller ethnic groups disappear.Where are the Picts and the Cornish now?
The Cornish? Mostly speaking Cornish and wanting out of the UK….
The BBC put on an unedifying spectacle, which I doubt will do Griffin any harm. The strange American woman was no doubt using the occasion as a means of self-promotion, while the politicians were exceptionally feeble.
So after all the fuss Nick Griffin looked shifty and came off worst on Question Time as Guido predicted. i must have seen a different show.i thought griffin handled the hatchet job quite well.
He looked like a sickly toad that had just climbed out of some horse manure.
He wasn’t given a proper hearing – he should have been asked questions on economics, foreign policy and the environment and he wasn’t. And the BBC was to blame for that. Their left wing bias and associated drowning street tendencies for manipulation made a mess of the whole thing.
Had he been asked those questions, he would have looked even worse than he did.
Nell amongst all the bollox spoken today You have hit the nail on the head !
darlin’
griffen = bollox –
never a truer word.
Couldn’t agree more. The right wing working class radicalism is the product of Labour in all its incompetent glory. It is the bastard child they spawned and the visceral hatred is an attempt to disown their own. The B*P is the ultimate attempt to fight scabs seeking to replace them and return to old Labour values. It is unintellectual and has a touching faith in its memories and patriotism of its past status. Their symbolism is that of fighting fascists whom they suspect of wishing to destroy them. Nulabour are their enemies because Nulabour has betrayed them and adopted a new, foreign derived constituency. They hate each other as heretics.
How disgraceful to see the two wings of ‘socialism’ tearing strips out of each other.
Why the moderation I,m only telling you what is in wikipedia.
Baroness Warsi was fabulous. I spy a future Prime Minister.
9:27PM is a bit early to be pissed, even on a Friday.
She’d have to be an elected MP first.
Why – the guy who is really running the county wasn’t.
(OK – he was but then he had to quit and become a Lord)
Yes,a bit plump but easy on the eye and with the same accent as William Hague and much better hair.Bit up and down on the logic,but with some spin and the Scarsdale Halal Diet who knows?
You predicted wrong this time Gueido, NG came out much better than the other panellists, the host and the BeeBC.
griffen , like gordon, is never going to come out ‘looking good’.
They both lack charisma and they both lack a moral compass.
Nell.What they both lack is a left eyeball
One comment (not because I’m English …because I’m not).
Everyone in the World knows there is an English culture and history which played out as a unique island off-shoot of Northern Europe. This people have a language, English, which is a valuable treasure trove of human experience. The English produced in Shakespeare, the modern world’s acknowledged dramatic genius to be placed alongside the greats of Aeschylus, Sophocles and Euripedes. To deny the English a national identity is disingenuous and intellectually dishonest. This identity is not British which is merely a civic identity and has been since its invention at the end of the 17th Century with the setting up of the ‘Britain’ project with Scotland. Before the Act of Union, the term Briton, did not exist.
The continuity of the English cultural identity, socially and politically, is remarkable because, as an island, the English, Scots, Welsh, Cornish and Irish, stood apart from the continent and evolved a distinct culture with very little input from foreign peoples.
You obviously are not an english genealogist.
If you were, as I am, you would know darlin’ that we are all ‘mongrels’ in absolutely the best sense of the word!!!!
Griffen tries to claim that what makes us great is ‘pure blood’ . Even he does not have that!!
What makes us great, as far as I’m concerned is the experiences of my family to assimilate and transcend the experiences and tragedies of the two World Wars and to move on and make something worthwhile of our lives.
Nell , I have read many of your posts with interest.
You really are a little attention seeker
It’s not often you are right nell,
but you’re wrong again.
What about the chinese, or Africans, there are no borders there and we are an island, are there African races, asians, chinese, Japanese….this is all lefty bollocks so the free western civilisation can be destroyed and absorbed into the nwo…its NWO Commie Brainwashing, you have no identity so you have nothing to defend sop why dont you brits just roll over and die
What a load of rubbish!
I suggest you read some decent history books before you go on about the “distinct culture” of the English, Scots, Welsh, Cornish & Irish!
The Scots – a mix of Norse, Irish, Picts & English. Sorry to Alex & Co, but Edinburgh was founded by what you would now call the English and was part of an English Kingdom till conquered by the Scots!
As for the Irish – Dublin founded by the Vikings, never a real Irish town. A stronghold of the Normans and the English. Despite being the capital of Ireland, a mainly Catholic country, there is still no Catholic Catheral in Dublin. No catholic churches were allowed within its walls. Why is there a part just outside the old Dublin called, “Irishtown”? Ever heard of the Statues of Kilkenny?
As for the English – Norman Kings who spoke only French and German Kings who spoke only German. Now, what is the real surname of the Royal Family again!
Mustn’t forget the person, who is still in my view, the greatest Englishman ever – Sir Winston Churchill – who saved the world from the evils of fascism. Not bad for someone whose mother was an immigrant (Lady Churchill was born in New York).
A distinct British Culture – my arse!
The British Isles were colonised by people from Northern Spain, as it is now called, after the ice age They moved up the coast of what is now France to the mouth of what was then a river, now the English channel. They moved up the river systems of Europe and along the coast to cover all the low lands of western europe and the British Isles. They are the Brytonic peoples. They developed a language and culture that covered all of this area. When the channel was formed and Britain became an island there were enough people to support the development of a religous and cultural identity. The Druidic religion and the shared cultural history is recorded by both the Syrians and the Greeks and the Romans.
Go to Galisia. Go to Brittany. Go to the low lands (Holland, Belgium). Check out their early history/
Newgrange, Meath. Ireland, as you know, was built by people who’s relatives lived in Lanakshire. The whole of the western coast of the Atlantic are linked genetically, historically and culturally.
If you still do’nt think we are all one people explain :
When we created new countries over seas, how come we manage to live together without trouble. Under the same system, sharing the same culture, while still retaining our old tribel loyalties without war or fighting.
10,000 years of cultural development is not written off by a few years of occupation. Even a few hundred, you should know this Paddy ……..
See http://www.ahobproject.org/Downloads/Parfitt_et_al_2005.pdf
858 Realism not romanticism said:
“The continuity of the English cultural identity, socially and politically, is remarkable because, as an island, the English, Scots, Welsh, Cornish and Irish, stood apart from the continent and evolved a distinct culture with very little input from foreign peoples.”
That is what I was attacking – lived together peacefully and evolved a distinct culture? Rubbish – English, Welsh, Scots, Irish – four distinct cultures with many sub-cultures!
And how many wars between them?
PS – Yes Col Nut, I meant Statutues! Simple spelling mistake!
Undoubtedly we Brits are a mongrel race, formed from waves of immigration over centuries and millenia.
But that isn’t the point.
To my mind the crucial issue is not racial, but cultural. Until 1950 almost everyone who came here had lived under, and adopted the culture of, the western Christian tradition. Thanks to the evils of colonialism, that umbrella also extends to West Indians and some Africans who, despite many strains, are generally beginning to fit in (though there are worrying exceptions).
Until recently, we were all able to get along, more or less, because we spoke a common language and shared common beliefs founded on essentially the same view of the constitution, the law and the place of the citizen. To say that is not to overlook the various Black/White riots, but they have been few.
The vast influx (currently 6% of the population and growing fast) of people from a very different cultural tradition is unsettling. That they have – understandably – banded together in ghettos has produced dangerously concentrated centres of population whose denizens rarely need to interact with other groups. Ally that with a solid religious affiliation, some elements of which are given to extreme violence against the host population, and you don’t need a futurologist to recognise the potential for trouble.
‘Those whom the Gods wish to destroy, they first make mad’.
Our governments since the 1950s have been mad. NuLab is worst of all and Britain, as we know it, risks destruction.
Surely you mean the Statutes of Kilkenny Paddy unless you’re suggesting that the people who live there are a bit slow?
Labour wanted mass immigration to make UK more multicultural, says former adviser
Labour threw open Britain’s borders to mass immigration to help socially engineer a “truly multicultural” country, a former Government adviser has revealed. LINK
By Tom Whitehead, Home Affairs Editor
Published: 6:42PM BST 23 Oct 2009
The huge increases in migrants over the last decade were partly due to a politically motivated attempt by ministers to radically change the country and “rub the Right’s nose in diversity”, according to Andrew Neather, a former adviser to Tony Blair, Jack Straw and David Blunkett.
He said Labour’s relaxation of controls was a deliberate plan to “open up the UK to mass migration” but that ministers were nervous and reluctant to discuss such a move publicly for fear it would alienate its “core working class vote”.
As a result, the public argument for immigration concentrated instead on the economic benefits and need for more migrants.
Critics said the revelations showed a “conspiracy” within Government to impose mass immigration for “cynical” political reasons.
Mr Neather was a speech writer who worked in Downing Street for Tony Blair and in the Home Office for Jack Straw and David Blunkett, in the early 2000s.
Writing in the Evening Standard, he revealed the “major shift” in immigration policy came after the publication of a policy paper from the Performance and Innovation Unit, a Downing Street think tank based in the Cabinet Office, in 2001.
He wrote a major speech for Barbara Roche, the then immigration minister, in 2000, which was largely based on drafts of the report.
He said the final published version of the report promoted the labour market case for immigration but unpublished versions contained additional reasons, he said.
He wrote: “Earlier drafts I saw also included a driving political purpose: that mass immigration was the way that the Government was going to make the UK truly multicultural.
“I remember coming away from some discussions with the clear sense that the policy was intended ? even if this wasn’t its main purpose ? to rub the Right’s nose in diversity and render their arguments out of date.”
The “deliberate policy”, from late 2000 until “at least February last year”, when the new points based system was introduced, was to open up the UK to mass migration, he said.
Some 2.3 million migrants have been added to the population since then, according to Whitehall estimates quietly slipped out last month.
On Question Time on Thursday, Mr Straw was repeatedly quizzed about whether Labour’s immigration policies had left the door open for the BNP.
In his column, Mr Neather said that as well as bringing in hundreds of thousands more migrants to plug labour market gaps, there was also a “driving political purpose” behind immigration policy.
He defended the policy, saying mass immigration has “enriched” Britain, and made London a more attractive and cosmopolitan place.
But he acknowledged that “nervous” ministers made no mention of the policy at the time for fear of alienating Labour voters.
“Part by accident, part by design, the Government had created its longed-for immigration boom.
“But ministers wouldn’t talk about it. In part they probably realised the conservatism of their core voters: while ministers might have been passionately in favour of a more diverse society, it wasn’t necessarily a debate they wanted to have in working men’s clubs in Sheffield or Sunderland.”
Sir Andrew Green, chairman of the Migrationwatch think tank, said: “Now at least the truth is out, and it’s dynamite.
“Many have long suspected that mass immigration under Labour was not just a cock up but also a conspiracy. They were right.
“This Government has admitted three million immigrants for cynical political reasons concealed by dodgy economic camouflage.”
The chairmen of the cross-party Group for Balanced Migration, MPs Frank Field and Nicholas Soames, said: “We welcome this statement by an ex-adviser, which the whole country knows to be true.
“It is the first beam of truth that has officially been shone on the immigration issue in Britain.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6418456/Labour-wanted-mass-immigration-to-make-UK-more-multicultural-says-former-adviser.html
The politicians were not voted in to engineer such a sea change which would not have passed a referendum.
Firstly can anyone tell me why we all have to pay a licence fee to watch this fetid and lying bbc government mouth piece ? If i want facts i watch sky and not this nasty lying pro labour channel. Whatever your opinion on the bnp and indeed griffin it is obvious that this was a ” set up ” which despite his nervous demeanour backfired big time ! Also why was the format of the show changed for the first time since the first screening way back when ? perhaps these filthy sub-human bastards in power are getting seriously worried about the patriotic movement that is gaining momentum because when all is said and done they would,nt know the truth if it kicked them in the bollocks.
god bless all and happy ramadammmmmm
I imagine the Chinese currently ethnically cleansing Tibet by replacement would echo the ‘no such thing as indigenous people’ argument.
But strangely I don’t imagine you would support them.
Let’s imagine the TNP ( Tibetan National Party ) leader ( the Dalai Lama , say) appearing on Tibetan Question Time and saying such awful, terrible , racist , homophobic, illiberal things as ” Help ! We are being swamped by f***ing Chinese …. !! ” and lets’ imagine you baying for his ‘racist’ blood like the rest of the mindless hyenas on QT last night.
I mean, you would have to , wouldn’t you ? Logically speaking ?
Ah but white British working class culture is just so … crap eh ? compared with the exotic Tibetans with their funny clothes. So we can all wring our hearts out about the one & not give a dog’s boll*ock about the other …because… ?
Let’s imagine the poor indigenous Tibetans trying to complain about the cultural tsunami of Chinese immigrants and being told ( by their ‘betters’ ) “Well, it’s easy to see you are a RACIST & you need re-education, and you just don’t understand multiculturalism”
That would be *just fine* eh , nell ? Because, well, Tibetans ( like all of us) are just mongrels and if their culture gets mongrelised that’s just TOO EFFIN BAD for them , right ?
But ( my spider senses tell me ) that’s NOT what you think re Tibet, is it, Nell ?
Or we could deduce ( for eg) that you support Chinese destruction of Tibetan identity by forced immigration, couldn’t we ? Or is it that you are prepared to grant rights to funny people wearing strange clothes on the other side of the world that you deny to white people wearing T shirts & shell suits because * you can allow allow yourself to feel superior to the one but not to the other * ? Because you don’t actually have any feeling for or understanding of the organic , centuries old , cultural identity of this country at all , do you ? (of course, the organic, centuries old cultural identity of TIBET is a precious thing to you, no doubt… )
Too much is too much.
Multiculturalism *doesn’t work*.
How many examples do you need ? Cyprus / Israel / Balkans / Northern Ireland / Zimbabwe / Tibet / …. ?
primary school inter- cultural ‘lovey lovey’ stuff only works to the age of about 6. After that, those at the coal face, the poor, on the racially divided no-hope housing estates , take the friction & the knives & the bullets & the drugs while the well heeled liberal middle classes, safe in their leafy suburbs & county retreats, superciliously bleat on about how ‘fascist’ their own working class is, while working hard to propagandise the plebs into feeling terrible guilt about the way they cannot help feeling.
If something is not done … one day soon the problem will cease to be just a problem that can be sloughed off on the dumb ignorant proles in nasty housing housing estates in places you never particularly wanted to go to and – clean forgotten about while you drift off in your idyllic multicultural fantasies.
People will begin to get hurt.
And if it takes a bigot like Griffin to open up the can of worms no politician dare mention since they saw what happened to Enoch Powell, well, at least he has the courage to say THERE IS A PROBLEM and refuse to shut up till someone in Westminster grows some balls & addresses the issue.
Some sense at last.
Thanks!
Very well put.
After watching that programme I knew the English people were fucked unless there is a revolution – bastard bbc, labour. tory, liberal traitors.
Good point, better made than I have tried to put it in the past. I hope you doin’t mind if I steal your analogies? Might edit out the expletives though
Steal away my friend.
What a bunch of worthless jackasses you leftists are! Traitors every one of you! I am a proud American without a drop of British in me, but I recognize the very first element in British identity: the English, Scots, etc are racially WHITE. In anthropological argot, ‘Europoids’. How could any of you, even Marxist fools, possibly be so pathetically dumb as to deny the obvious? How have you come to be brainwashed into denying your own national identity, your very cultural heritage?
A person who is not purely, racially white cannot be British. They are merely alien colonists, and need to be expelled from Britain forthwith. You idiots – leftist traitors, ‘conservative’ cowards – have created the conditions for future race war on your once beautiful ‘Sceptered Isle’ (soon to be renamed ‘Sharia Isle”?).
I would love to have an intelligent English conservative explain how this “anti-racist” mental pathology has become so prevalent amongst the citizenry of a white country.
To all Brit patriots may I suggest you begin discreetly compiling lists of any race traitors you encounter, at work, in school, at pubs, etc. Just jot their names down as you discover them. Then when the war for British survival finally comes, make sure you kill them first. Bad as the aliens are, most of them deserve only to be expelled. It is the traitors who must be eliminated, if Britain is to be free and civilized again.
The trouble is in this cesspit of a country the bloody inhabitants are too lazy watching soap operas on TV to bother about the insidious influx of dark foreigners.
I like the idea of a list of race traitors – your name is on the list you snivelling shit.
Oh goody, at the top I hope!
Just watched Newswatch. Interesting. 3 folk. A sulky bloke who doesn’t know much but knows what he doesn’t like. A young lady who was in the QT audience. And a BBC ‘I don’t think so/it was all fine’… for a change.
‘They have devoted the whole programme…’, a bit like the QT show itself, which was changed fundamentally to suit a warped notion of balance. They might as well have stuck him in stocks and had all present pelt him with eggs to really hand him a martyr’s tag.
The young lady – who was there – says ‘the people who were coming’ were there probably because they were anti-BNP. Mr. BBC leaps in and tries to ‘improve’ matters (not sure he did) by claiming audiences are ‘carefully selected’. Plus an interesting leap to ‘if the audience was not with him, they must have been against him’. I thought it was a cross-section, many of whom might not have been decided, or carrying burning torches.
‘Carefully selected’? Do what? By whom? On what criteria? Sounds like a uniquely funded licence to rig it any way an arrogant few can enhance the narrative any way they like. Should they wish.
And, just for fun, the young lady – who was present – tops it off by suggesting Mr. Dimbelby was a less than effective moderator. I believe she, a non-BNP supporter I’d say, reckoned he was not impartial and handed the BNP further bias ammo.
Explain all that away BBC. Oh, you will, and claim this Newswatch was just that, and it’s time to move on… to your next victim of a unique view of how the world ‘should’ be, as opposed to reflecting on how it is.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/newswatch/ukfs/hi/
“Warsi didn’t…screw up”?????
She did say some good things, esp challenging Straw to tell the truth about immigration.
BUT, unforgivably, she showed the worst face of the Westminster establishment – ‘there are no bogus asylum seekers’. Sure, asylum seeker is a technical term, but to dismiss the existence of lying applicants by playing word-games is despicable.
Against all my instincts I warmed to the vile Griffin at that point. At least he understands that it is a real issue and says so out loud.
Quite right.
We all understand that a “bogus asylum seeker” is someone who wants to come to this country for economic reasons and is using the asylum line as a fast-track.
It is despicable, because there are people out there who really do need asylum.
Guido , I submitted a comment about the press attitude to QT. on 23 Oct at 6:35pm. It is still being “moderated “.
I’m sorry I forgot to shout FUCK Hunt SHIT .
That seems to be the way you get published on this site.
Bloody hell, you must be hard up mate!
He’s not hard up yet,only thinking about it,and if he was she’s from that part of our multicultural society that that does honour killings so he’d best keep off her.
Based on events today, Guido, I think “I told you so” at 711, 743 and 765!
The UK was humming on Friday and it was not humming The Red Flag. Maybe I just go to all the wrong places. Or maybe not.
interesting to see guido’s little hedging plea at the end of his blog statement – frightened the tide mght turn eh?
Your name is on the list, by the way.
He goes where the money is. Fuck ethics.
I see Ken the reptile’s on his high horse in The Grauniad this morning, condemning the BBC for giving a platform to the racist homophobe fascist, Nick Griffin.
Jacqui Smith on BBC Radio 4 Any Questions 23 October………..Jacqui Smith on BBC Question Time 29 October
The hideously ugly droning old bag will be spouting that Nu Labour shite that means nothing in particular. A recent example from the unelected one-eyed idiot pig prime minister being:
Our country confronts the biggest choice for a generation. It’s a choice between two parties, yes. But more importantly a choice between two directions for our country.
Filthy Nu Liebore Hunts. They are all lying thieving scum from the sewer.
Here’s an idea.I’ve commented on globalisation and the inevitability of increasing mixing of peoples all over the world in the future but clearly in the short term people are worried about the pace of change and mass immigration swamping British culture.So why not get rid of the useless rugby playing Borders Agency and replace them with a body of people much more committed to keeping our borders secure;the B.N.P.They would have to be supervised of course to stop the keener members shooting or strangling the asylum seekers,and some might need collars and leads.Cressida Dick could be put in charge of the first pilot scheme at Dover.At the same time some of the more prominent odorous immigrants like Permatan Peter Hain could be rounded up and deported in the interests of national security.
“So after all the fuss Nick Griffin looked shifty and came off worst on Question Time as Guido predicted.”
????
On the contrary, both here & at the beeb’s HYS forum the numbers suggest that Griffin struck a very deep chord. Fundamentally nasty & hate filled piece of work he may be, ‘Guido’, but unfortunately, as the only guy to dare come on TV and articulate things no-one has dared articulate since Enoch Powell, Griffin has apparently lanced the ‘multicultural’ boil pretty good.
And it must be said, it took great courage to sit there being attacked on all sides for breaking THE GREAT TABOO & not lose it completely. All those people superciliously whining about how he was ‘smirking’ & ‘nervous’ – Christ, given that the whole situation was an obvious set up ( “ok… we have to have him on but let’s make sure he gets slaughtered, chaps .. Dimbleby, you know what you have to do .. “) I would like to see how the odious/pompous / muslim slaughtering Straw would handle the equivalent situation…
How many of us are actually AFRAID to say – in public, out loud – what we REALLY THINK ?
What does that tell you ?
Our MP’s are supposed to represent what their constituents REALLY THINK, no ?
Or do we go on forever pretending to think what we have been brainwashed into thinking we have to think because we are by now such a bunch of emasculated cowards we will *pretend* our way through life because that’s what our o-so-amiable perk devouring spineless nest feathering ‘we know best what’s good for you’ masters tell us that’s what we have to do ?
We are no longer the great empire, we no longer oppress millions round the globe, we are no longer rich, and thus we can no longer afford to be superciliously amiable ( from a position of invulnerablity) toward those cultures that threaten to absolutely SWAMP us .
Like all other (self respecting) cultures ( and ours is pretty praiseworthy, as these things go ) it’s time we stopped APOLOGISING FOR OUR OWN EXISTENCE & stood up for ourselves.
“Nick Griffin”.
An order from the Met Commissioner to the Flying Squad?
Wo ist unser Führer?
JOB VACANCY
Wanted, a charismatic individual to motivate and lead a nation back to its former glory.
Must be fearless, articulate, dynamic and with a profound sense of history and personal destiny.
Essential skills and personal attributes will include a penetrating stare, the ability to shout and rant, yet make sense and, most importantly, the talent of turning the arguments of others against them.
Your role models will be dolfi, benito, oswald, joe and juan. Definitely not Jong-Il. If you appear as a slimy wimp who fumbles his lines, cannot think on your feet and have a tendency to giggle and look like a double-glazing salesman–this job is not for you.
How about Sir Alex Ferguson?O.K.he’s a Scot but well Anglicised.Führer Ferguson has quite a nice ring to it.
Why not invite the B.N.P.to control the borders,with Cressida Dick in charge?
Sorry about repeating myself due to being a bit pissed by this time.
Not got time to say much just wanted to say that I’m not racist but….
errrr, that’s it really, Just want everyone to know, I’m white British born and bred, yes please come in, make yourself at home, take whatever you want, I mean I’m not racist or anything, just help yourself to anything you want, I’ll pay.
must dash, so many blogs to get through…
I must admit I watch QT the other night, I should point out though that I’m not racist.
I must admit I watched QT the other night, I should point out though that I’m not racist.
It seems to that
1 – Many people now believe that the main three (?) parties do NOT offer them any real choice so they are looking for an option – the BNP is seen by some as that option and the “mainstream” parties and using everything they can to prove the BNP is not an option.
Problem is if the BNP is not an option – who is ?
2 – While everyone is screaming about the BNP they are forgetting other things – things HMG would like you to forget or miss.
3 – Some people believe that if you don’t agree with them you must be a racist / homophobic / not worth listening to and that calling names will prove their point – it won’t.
Looking inward (from South America) it is a bit worrying as to what I’ll be returning to – one thing I’m pretty sure of is that people need to stop attacking the BNP and start listening to them, their supporters and those who voted for them.
It does NOT matter of you think they have a point or not – they think they do and refusing to address this and calling them names will NOT change that.
And the man of Straw looked shifty because:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1222769/Dishonest-Blair-Straw-accused-secret-plan-multicultural-UK.html
Nick Griffin is an odious worm and his views are vile nonsense but Newsnight have succeeded in making him look like a victim and a bit of an underdog: We all know what the British public can do with an underdog. I do hope I’m wrong but I feel the BNP is stronger today than it was last week.
Griffin may try and adopt the RAF and the fight against Nazi Germany so easily because the left seems to have forgotten that antifascism is not a pacifist idea.
These German antifascists still seem to know that:
“This is how fascists have to be stopped”
And:
“There are no German bombers in the air”
From outside the U.K. I have two questions that I am curious about:
(1) Why is David Cameron a signatory to the UAF?
(2) Is it true that a Muslim man in the U.K. can legally have up to 4 wives but if a non-Muslim takes more than one wife (at the same time) he would be charged with bigamy?
Yea it’s true, what of it,
I suppose you will also be questioning the 20,000 Clitordicomies carried out on ‘British’ girls each year and the practice of Muslim thinghing ( look it up, but you’ll need a Sick Bag )
what are you a racist ?
Guido, report this guy to the thought police.
I do of course mean Thighing
Where are the Feminazis on these Issues, fucking Hypocrites the lot of em, only way they can make money is to marry some one rich then divorce the poor bastard, only way they can make it in politics is to be shortlisted by Cameron.
7.2 Million they have Murdered ( aborted ) since 1970.
7.2 million, that’s ore than hitler managed, well done ladies, All of those children could have been having families of their own by now, then we wouldn’t need mass immigration and civil War or Sharia Law.
When I say ladies I do of course mean fucking money grabbing mass murdering Genocidal feminazi bastards.
Are there any real women left in the West.
I only wrote that coz I was sure you’d delete it Guido, you do realise that I now run the risk of being set upon by Gangs of Genocidal Feminazi Lesbian Ladettes for my views don’t you, Do you think I’ll qualify for Police protection or does that ony go to Treasonous, mass murdering, Anti British Genocidal thieving war criminals like our MP’s .
I like your site Guido, I can say Bastard and I don’t get a slap off me mum.
I have read with interest these blogs on this subject and tried to be objective. However I come to the end conclusion with the one I started with. Whether you like them or not, whether you agree with them or not. They scare the fucking shite out of the british establishment.
Whether that fright is for the athema of a racist britain, or the fact that the b*p will probably start the change with them is for you to judge.
I own view remains angry, that ignorant silver spooned greedy socialists once again use the charisma of social injustice to clean up for themselvss, and leave the very people they despise to clean it the debris.
I have lived in an apartheid country, and I am white. It is fucking terrible, believe me, all you who post here with sympathy, careful what you wish for