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	<title>Comments on: A Case Study in Media Disintermediation : #Trafigura</title>
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		<title>By: mutley</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/10/13/trafigura-a-case-study-in-media-disintermediation/#comment-300415</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mutley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Oct 2009 10:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You probably think I am very stupid but I have lost track of how the comments work here...  anyway I laughed out loud at the interview - perfectly splendid!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You probably think I am very stupid but I have lost track of how the comments work here&#8230;  anyway I laughed out loud at the interview &#8211; perfectly splendid!</p>
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		<title>By: Lilith</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/10/13/trafigura-a-case-study-in-media-disintermediation/#comment-300141</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lilith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 22:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, Harperson was a fraud way back when I discovered radical feminism. Never liked her, never trusted her, never felt represented by her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Harperson was a fraud way back when I discovered radical feminism. Never liked her, never trusted her, never felt represented by her.</p>
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		<title>By: Jesus</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/10/13/trafigura-a-case-study-in-media-disintermediation/#comment-300077</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jesus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Too Late! Rushbridger shut it down on Cif:

Can I post here?

Cif posting here:-&gt;

Look seriously! Calm down! I only heard of this because Guido mentioned it in a puppy dog way ‘cos you Guardian guys threw him a bone.
Pointless article, maybe the court transcriptions are elsewhere on this site, but where is the evidence that the otherwise febrile twittering actually had any bearing on this case?
What you are witnessing here is the realisation of wha&quot; twitter&quot;and other future pseudo transparent sites are about.

They will tell you at the most glossy level what is &quot;going on&quot;, but the underlying gritty stuff is never real, think about it: do you yourself want to give away all your negotiating thoughts?

It is certain that the Guardian and Mr Rushbridger have had many conversations that have never even brushed the possibility of being allowed to be surmised in the papers articles let alone being leaked through a tweet.

But they pretend otherwise and insult intelligent thought in general.

Anything is real now.

Once a thought has been decided, in some London bar it can be decided, post hoc,  to have been leaked by any media who pays the best]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too Late! Rushbridger shut it down on Cif:</p>
<p>Can I post here?</p>
<p>Cif posting here:-&gt;</p>
<p>Look seriously! Calm down! I only heard of this because Guido mentioned it in a puppy dog way ‘cos you Guardian guys threw him a bone.<br />
Pointless article, maybe the court transcriptions are elsewhere on this site, but where is the evidence that the otherwise febrile twittering actually had any bearing on this case?<br />
What you are witnessing here is the realisation of wha&#8221; twitter&#8221;and other future pseudo transparent sites are about.</p>
<p>They will tell you at the most glossy level what is &#8220;going on&#8221;, but the underlying gritty stuff is never real, think about it: do you yourself want to give away all your negotiating thoughts?</p>
<p>It is certain that the Guardian and Mr Rushbridger have had many conversations that have never even brushed the possibility of being allowed to be surmised in the papers articles let alone being leaked through a tweet.</p>
<p>But they pretend otherwise and insult intelligent thought in general.</p>
<p>Anything is real now.</p>
<p>Once a thought has been decided, in some London bar it can be decided, post hoc,  to have been leaked by any media who pays the best</p>
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		<title>By: dave</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dave]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 21:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Guido, has Carter-Ruck ever contacted you demanding you remove the Wikileaks link?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guido, has Carter-Ruck ever contacted you demanding you remove the Wikileaks link?</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Samantha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[PS he didn&#039;t even mention Guido in his PHEW piece today in the Groaniad
He doesn&#039;t like it up &#039;im either! - did he send you a case of Burgandy Guido?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS he didn&#8217;t even mention Guido in his PHEW piece today in the Groaniad<br />
He doesn&#8217;t like it up &#8216;im either! &#8211; did he send you a case of Burgandy Guido?</p>
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		<title>By: You Couldn't Make It Up</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[You Couldn't Make It Up]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like to know why Guido was not mentioned once in Rusbridger&#039;s crowing litle self-congratulation? You&#039;d think he&#039;d taken all the risks himself: http://tinyurl.com/yfs4r3q]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to know why Guido was not mentioned once in Rusbridger&#8217;s crowing litle self-congratulation? You&#8217;d think he&#8217;d taken all the risks himself: <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yfs4r3q" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yfs4r3q</a></p>
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		<title>By: Scott Free</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott Free]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Samantha - 

Your post is typical of the distortion either absorbed from Team McCann unconsciously or or which is deliberately disseminated - and which perpetuates itself because of the injunctions and the media lock down.  

1. The offensive description of the professional Portugese police as &quot;plods&quot; is not backed up by the facts. The investigation was very thorough and very extensive as shown by the thousands of pages of evidence now available on the internet. 

2.  There is no evidence that the police were &quot;complicit&quot; in Madeleine&#039;s disappearance as you claim. 

3.  There is absolutely no evidence that an abduction took place. 

4.  Far from being hounded from the beginning the McCanns were the recipients of a huge amount of good will and cash at the beginning.

5.  Inspector Amaral has never accused them of killing their daughter. And very few people do. However it serves the McCanns to pretend that is the allegation being made. 

6.  Low profile/high profile is neither here nor there. What is relevant is why they are not giving their full backing to the Sunday Express&#039;s call for a proper UK Police investigation and why they have never thought to do so before now. That will free up millions of pounds to aid the search for Madeleine - far more than they can now raise - and would involve professional Police detectives with relevant experience undertaking the work. 

However, this is not the place to discuss all aspects of the McCann case.  This is the place to make the point that we cannot engage in a proper discussion because of the injunctions and super injunctions. Joshua Rosenberg confirmed this morning on BBC radio  that there were a number of such injunctions in place about which the public knows nothing. He could well have been referring to the McCann case.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Samantha &#8211; </p>
<p>Your post is typical of the distortion either absorbed from Team McCann unconsciously or or which is deliberately disseminated &#8211; and which perpetuates itself because of the injunctions and the media lock down.  </p>
<p>1. The offensive description of the professional Portugese police as &#8220;plods&#8221; is not backed up by the facts. The investigation was very thorough and very extensive as shown by the thousands of pages of evidence now available on the internet. </p>
<p>2.  There is no evidence that the police were &#8220;complicit&#8221; in Madeleine&#8217;s disappearance as you claim. </p>
<p>3.  There is absolutely no evidence that an abduction took place. </p>
<p>4.  Far from being hounded from the beginning the McCanns were the recipients of a huge amount of good will and cash at the beginning.</p>
<p>5.  Inspector Amaral has never accused them of killing their daughter. And very few people do. However it serves the McCanns to pretend that is the allegation being made. </p>
<p>6.  Low profile/high profile is neither here nor there. What is relevant is why they are not giving their full backing to the Sunday Express&#8217;s call for a proper UK Police investigation and why they have never thought to do so before now. That will free up millions of pounds to aid the search for Madeleine &#8211; far more than they can now raise &#8211; and would involve professional Police detectives with relevant experience undertaking the work. </p>
<p>However, this is not the place to discuss all aspects of the McCann case.  This is the place to make the point that we cannot engage in a proper discussion because of the injunctions and super injunctions. Joshua Rosenberg confirmed this morning on BBC radio  that there were a number of such injunctions in place about which the public knows nothing. He could well have been referring to the McCann case.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Kennedy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Samantha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:35:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read the original (it&#039;s not Uddin of ocurse) and feel sorry for the woman and her daughter. Life for women in Moslem countries is usually very tough (as it is here for many of them). It&#039;s lucicrous that her case is dragging on for over three years - she should long ago have either been sent back, or permitted to work.

But my first thought on reading that account of how she &#039;manages&#039; on so little money, was that a majority of pensioners in this country, exp elderly divorcees (myself included), have to manage on that sort of money - and we don&#039;t get our fuel bills paid! And that&#039;s after a lifetime of work (paid and unpaid) in this country.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the original (it&#8217;s not Uddin of ocurse) and feel sorry for the woman and her daughter. Life for women in Moslem countries is usually very tough (as it is here for many of them). It&#8217;s lucicrous that her case is dragging on for over three years &#8211; she should long ago have either been sent back, or permitted to work.</p>
<p>But my first thought on reading that account of how she &#8216;manages&#8217;on so little money, was that a majority of pensioners in this country, exp elderly divorcees (myself included), have to manage on that sort of money &#8211; and we don&#8217;t get our fuel bills paid! And that&#8217;s after a lifetime of work (paid and unpaid) in this country.</p>
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		<title>By: Samantha</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Samantha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The BBc has followed this policy thoughout the Expenses scandal: they always give prominence to Tory misdeed sand off-message comments if possible and play down the iniquities of the ruling party. Par for the course!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The BBc has followed this policy thoughout the Expenses scandal: they always give prominence to Tory misdeed sand off-message comments if possible and play down the iniquities of the ruling party. Par for the course!</p>
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