The party faithful who have just heard a solid speech are not just happy, they are bopping around to the tune of “I’m a believer”. This party really believes it is on the way to victory.
at October 8, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Well, I’m half convinced
I came over shite at home Guido and the journos think it was shite too.
In the bag? What on earth is it doing inside Margaret Beckett???
Why are all the comments in italics? Or is my screen tilted?
Mine aren’t. Have you been at the champagne?
They’ve all been thrown a Bono……
Of course it’s on it’s way to victory.
It has one of the worst Prime Ministers of Modern times imploding every other day doing the conservaitves job for them in the middle of the worst recession in decades.
If you can’t win an Election in these circumstances you might as well pack up your bags and get into Banking.
Major would win against Brown, Howard would win against Brown, Hague would easily win against Brown. (IDS would get a hung Parliament lets not get too nutty)
I thought the clapped-out old filly went to the knacker’s yard months ago….?
Then I saw her face…..
Are you Mark Oaten, coming over shite?
And what the fuck was that Hunt Bono doing. That fucker turns up everywhere.
Tories can go fuck themselves. I’m now voting Lib Dem in marginal Richmond Park, after being forced to suffer that Hunt’s tedious platitudes.
Tough titty Zac!!
Bono is ayone’s as long as he can get some publicity out of it.
Isn’t Bono a socialist – a millionaire variety?
Tories are probably shit (and I am a paid up member in St. Reatham)
I really can’t abide this annoying self-important gobshite with small-man syndrome
He’s a sanctimonious trollop
Anyone who associates with Bono has forfeited all credibility.
I couldn’t vote for anyone associated with that hooning Hunt
Careful, stay away from The Edge
Yes that C unt Bono pontificates to Governments what they should do yet he hardly pays any tax in his own friggin country never mind ours ! The Wanker is good at spending the little peoples money,
Is ‘Bono’ the same as ‘Geldoff’ or are they different people?
Geldoff certainly used to take himself far far less seriously. But then, I’m the right age to remember him arsing about on Top of the pops.
Note too that Geldoff made for more of his personal cash from being a businessman.
Just how many Labour Party bloggers are there on the Government payroll?
For sure they aren’t on the Labour Party payroll.
They are all a bit concerned about having to find a real job!
So. 9. you were shite at home. OK. We’ll take your word for it.
O/T but very important! Please sign this petition to back President Vaclav Klaus of the Czech Republic’s brave stand against the Lisbon Treaty:
Let’s get a MILLION signatures.
I believe we taxpaying hoi-pollloi are fucked no matter what. Those that are on benefits will still live the life of Riley (Tories still need their votes), and they will continue to get cradle to grave everything – at MY cost, as I have to tighten my belt just to keep the head above the water.
The public sector, especially the one million non-jobbers New Labour created, will expect the shrinking private sector to bail them out, without any recourse to the root of the UK’s economic problem – the HUGE public sector (and New Labour).
As if benefit chavs can be bothered to vote
But Labour activists will post their votes for them.
If they haven’t racked up a lifetime of debts and then scarperred to another tax funded house that’s soon to be transformed into a shithole – Chav Changing Rooms – Carol Smilie replaced by Lily Allen or something.
One of socialisms core beliefs is that you can cure bad apples by putting them in barrels of clean apples .
There’s a strike… first of many.
Richard The Third Act 1, scene 1, 1–4
Not if there is a postal strike.
YOU are on my round tomorrow.
Of course they will vote. Who would not support the person paying for their life style.
Brown has handed out bribes continuously, and throttled the Police force to allowing the other income streams to be exploited. he is not after running a country, he just wants power. That is his driving force.
Oh they will vote. People vote either when it is in their interest or it is a in-built belief.
No they won’t, for a start they can’t spell X
You say “They can’t spell!” It is part of the community training to be able to fill in all the forms for the money. Most are very well trained actors as well. The talent would be appropriate for Holby City extras.
They won’t have to vote, the postal ballot shysters will see to that, stuffing boxes practise is in full swing already and then after the count, they will inadvertently misplace the rolls!
Labour intends to win by foul means or fair.
The reason Brown can’t call an early election is that all the international observers are still tied up in Afghanistan. They will all be needed here to supervise the poll in Bradford.
Dam. I mean dam. No election supervisors
You mean Damn.
You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The Government cannot give to anybody anything that the Government does not first take from somebody else. When half the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it. With thanks to Adrian Rogers 1931-2005
My father always said that Labour give you the opportunity of supporting your family, and somebody else’s as well.
A bit fucking late to start blogging at the end of the conference, isn’t it Guido?
He reminded me its “not his conference” the other day, which probably explains the lack of kneetrembling excitement chez Guido.
Why’s everyone in italics?
Is this any better?
BBC reporting that Klaus wants a new two-sentence footnote to be added to the EU’s Lisbon Treaty before signing it.
Now I wonder what that would be?
Er sorry, don’t know why this post ended up here, it was supposed to go somewhere else.
Pleece are searchin’ for a large quantity of haitalics what ave gawn missin from a printworks in Dulwich and may be in this area.
Henny member of the public wiv information regardin same should contact Crimestoppers in complete confidence.
These italics must be costing Guido a fortune! Maybe he’s rubbing in how much he makes from advertisers.
ZanuLabourList couldn’t afford this extravagance.
I’m not convinced at all. The Heir to Blair sounded just like his dad.
not tory totty, what a fucking wash out!
That security shadow minister was hot. The one that said we shouldn’t have our emails read or our dustbins emptied, If I was twenty years younger….
Also that woman from Hungary was a cracker, if I was ten years younger…
Lock up yer grannies, Ivor’s about!
Well i am sure i saw Alistair Darling in the front row…………………..NO CHANCE but it was his double watch the speech carefully more fun that listening to Dave Boy
If he was there it was for more ideas to steal.
Some commentator (Graham Davies) interviewed on Sky news just now critisised Cameron for reading from his prepared script from paper! Why didn’t Cameron get into the modern age, just like everyone’s favourite PM Gordon Brown did, “even with Gordon’s poor eyesight he still used an autocue” (sic).
The reason Brown used an Autocue was because of his poor eyesight. The BBC. Stupidity is their watchword.
It’s all b@££%…..
….was it not Aristotle or some such sage who opinioned that democracy was screwed once the ruling elite discovered that the mob would always vote for them if they promised them the earth.
… let’s face it it’ll be high tax high spend for the forseeable future.
And did come across as shite too..
As court-jester, you’ll do well out of it Guido.
Toenails has just said on the BBBC six o’clock news that ‘there is all to play for’.
What a cock.
“All” = my salary/expenses/ability to carry on troughing via license fee. “To play for” = how I will continue to spin/distort/lie on behalf of the Bunker to keep former.
YOU STILL WONT GET A REFERENDUM ON EUROPE
A major reason for the rise of the b+p and UKIP is the fact that even firm promises by the three major parties are not worth a candle. A few weeks ago Cameron gave a “CAST IRON GARENTEE” that he would hold a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. Already he is now failing to reaffirm this promise since the Irish voted “yes”. He now looks to be as bigger liar as the Labour party, he knows that the overwhelming majority would vote “NO” on this issue. What a missed opportunity for a wipe out of Labour and the Lib-Dems. Under British law no government can tie the hands of its successor and that if he really wanted democracy on this issue gives him the freedom to allow a vote.
Such duplicity by both of these parties Tory and Labour is why the b+p and UKIP are becoming more to the forefront, neither side are listening to the electorate. We should wake up and smell the coffee before that arsehole Blair rules the world.
Yes, but………..President Klaus just put a delaying spanner in the EU production line. I can hear the gnashing of ivory all the way from Brussels. Isn’t that Glenys and her troughing bore of a husband crying out in alarm? I think it is. Good on you, Pres! We’re waiting to hear more from you, lots more – and don’t worry about a backlash from the micks. They’re too thick to work out what’s going on.
Czechs are a noble, proud and honourable people. President Klaus would have been a young man in 1968 — he knows what fascism looks like and has probably been ducking and weaving all his adult life.
They brew a half decent beer an all.
And in general, their women are stunning.
You may not get a referendum BUT heir to Blair WILL give you a Socialist government.
Look carefully at the crossed fingers when he refers to cuts in spending and small government.
Charles Harddodger would find it a safe bet voting Tory.
Still a big ask given the gerrymander that favours Labour.
Is that before or after postal voting fraud New Labour approved?
The situation still favours Labour, though a little less than it did in 2005. This 10% margin thing is probably overstated somewhat.
didn’t anyone think that a song by the monkees was slightly ill-advised? surely the vic reeves with emf would have been better?
apart from that fantastic!
It was for the daydream-believers that see Dave as a Tory but they chose the wrong track.
I’m a eur’leaver, a eur’leaver…
Err – not quite , hun .
Woz it any good ???
E x .
Hi Ewanme. what is your take on the proceedings today then?
Hiya Ivor , darlin x .
This will deffo be my last thingy today .
I’m healthily sinical by nature so I reckon call me Wotsisname jus said wotever the 50% of humans , wot ain’t on benefit or in state jobs , wanted to hear .
I’ll be gobsmacked if he can do enough to oust LoonyLabour but , wotever , I don’t really give a flyin shit , petal . They’re all tossers an I’m just meee .
Worryin bout political nic-nacs gives me lines , hun , an I gotta stay perfect .
Kisses an best wishes an see ya around x .
Ewanme x .
Thanks Ewanme digits on the pulse as usual, good beat. bless.
Tories ‘bop’ because they can’t dance.
Winston could not take his eyes off the telescreen. A small tear formed in the corner of his eye, and slowly rolled down his cheek. Winston now knew that he loved Big Brother.
very good indeed.
Winston used to like cheap booze and fags. In 1984 + 30 they were banned too.
Great Speech, go get em David.
yeah, go get those benefit cheats dave you benefit cheat!
hold on, that’s not right, is it?
Dave, you scheming little shit! Give us a vote on Lisbon!
Agreed, it was a good solid speech from someone who clearly understands Britain’s problems and has ideas to cure them.
Most notably rolling back the big state and encouraging personal responsibility.
Yeah; we’ill do that if we don’t get a referendum. Eh, TaT?
Had to laugh out loud when Dave began talking about how his time in the business world had given him an understanding of entrepreneurs. Have I missed something or did he set up and run Carlton Communications himself? Did he fuck and look at at what happened to Carlton while he was there! And he wants to run the country!
It makes me ashamed to share his head.
Is there room for the botha ya , darlin ???
You say he didn’t run Carlton Communications and then go on to you imply that somehow he was responsible for its problems. Which one of these contradictory points are you making?
Entrepreneurs set-up businesses, not manage/direct existing ones.
Sounds like he’s saying Dave
1) Didn’t create a business so has no understanding of entrepreneurs.
2) Made a hash of running CC
Just my 2p.
In the years he has been on 5live, has Labour shill Kevin Maguire ever made a single objective comment about the Conservatives? I am sick of his bias and I am writing to complain. Pointless I know, but I will be pointing out to his “handlers” (ie., their producers), that what goes around comes around.
How much taxpayers dosh does he get paid for each of these 5 minute all over the BBC?
£200 a pop?
What makes me larf is that I read somewhere of someone describing him as a “‘journalist of integrity”. Not sure who it was who said such a thing but it must have been before they were struck down by lightning.
He is a Labour Party tool. A tool, he is.
that was his mum
He doesn’t get any of mine :-)
Don’t worry Maguire is brain dead….you have my word on that.
It’s unfortunate that he isn’t gob dead.
A lot of Geordies make plenty of noise even though they have no brains. One visit to St James Park to see the “Toon” inaction will confirm that for you.
I am ashamed to say Kevin is a fellow Geordie, don’t judge us all by this NuLab to$$er.
I don’t see any compassion for people on benefits on here , so what’s your point?
I don’t see much compassion from the people on benefits for those taxpayers enslaved to fund their lifestyle.
Interesting that the Beeb tended to interview Nulab types during the Nulab conference and Nulab types during the Conservative conference. Their bias is becoming apparent to a scandalous extent.
Perhaps it’s because after all the shite we’ve heard this week they’re too ashamed to appear
I can put up with Kevin Maguire, but the one who really does my head in is Baroness Billingham on Sky Newspapers Review. The temptation to throw something at the TV screen when she gives us her pearls of labour wisdom is becoming incredibily strong. She even congratulates herself on being partisan. She is also sooooo…………boring! I want to give Sky my views, but don’t know how to – any suggestions?
Yes, I usually stay up for the paper review, but immediatley retire to bed with a groan when I hear “.. and here to join us on the sofa for a review of the morning papers is Baroness Billington..”.
Where did they dig her up from?
What else would you expect to hear from a millionaire socialist shit rag editor?
Tried to re-visit Kevin’s piece on his working class hero Jack Jones, recently outed as a foriegn spy. Recruited by the KGB in Spain during the civil war, and was a paid agent of the Soviet Union for forty years.
Seems to have gone.
I think Traitor to Britain is a more accurate description.
Good speech! makes me feel like moving back to the UK…maybe
Steady on there old bean – no need for drastic action. Have a cold beer would be my advice and forget such foolish notions.
Don’t be stupid talk’s cheap. Wait till he’s been in the job a few years and see how far he has got up his mountain before making a decision.
talk’s not cheap if Maguire get £200 every time he turns up on R5, Daily Politics, Newsnight, etc
Be carefull I did that in 1986
Come back to vote, then your time’s your own.
WTF!!! The Beeb are criticising the Tory conference audience for not dancing in the aisles whilst Cameron made his speech.
Not to worry – like the crusty knickers on a teenage charva, they’ll be gone in the morning.
Is a charva an Italian slag?
Beeb? Come the revolution, they are for the chop, just a bunch of leftie barstewards!!
BBC coverage was childish again. The bit about Mrs Cam dress was stupid and wrong.
The two of them acted like Cameron would start speaking with no support act. Unrealistic. They were just playing it up to make it look like the event was adhoc.
The only bad part was the sound man was an idiot.
Old gypsy word for..chav.
You just made that up
Charva is a well known word, came way before chav.
Caravan And Rather Violent Aswell?
Caravan Homed And Rusty Van
It was a very well-delivered speech. His constant references to the failings of big gummint were an excellent starting point. No doubt there will be an impromptu display of Nokias bursting on the walls of No. 10 like fireworks tonight.
bet he hasnt got an app for that !
the milk for my frosties is well delivered by the milkman.
but that does not mean I would vote for him.
For a 17 year old child sporting (I suspect) a head like a 4lb baked potato, a body like a poorly packed sandbag, and the whole past sack-like amorphous shape no doubt all completely encased in the latest plastic Man U training kit and topped off with a 59Fifty Phillies cap in limted edition plaid (I have one in plain black) tat, you are quite observant. As you spotted I was of course only commenting on the lack of rattling bottles as he ambled up the drive, but I will also say that I agreed with a surprising amount of what he said.
Come on Guido, moderate the bloody thing!
oh dear tone, don’t get tetchy.
haven’t you had your afternoon nap yet?
Won’t he be on the choo choo to London town now Tuscs
For a 17 year old yoot sporting (I suspect) a skull like a 4lb baked potato, a body like a badly packed sandbag, and the whole vast sack-like shape no doubt all completely encased in the latest plastic Man U training kit and topped off with a 59Fifty Phillies cap in limited edition plaid, tat, you are quite observant. As you spotted, I was of course only commenting on the lack of rattling bottles as he ambled up the drive, but I will also say that I agreed with a surprising amount of what he said.
Drink Arse feck………
hair of the dog for our man. I fear he has the fawking hangover from hell after earlier comments
he’ll be polishing off all the untouched Bollinger
The trick was that David Cameron was NOT triumphalist like Kinnock was. He down-played it, making sure everyone knew he was not taking victory as his right.
or rather all the posts have defaulted TO Italics.
Thank f…, theirs me thinking should have gone to specsavers.
THANK FUCK THEIRS ME THINKING SHOULD HAVE GONE TO SPECSERVERS.
No, chum, you should have gone to school.
Don’t eat dog food wanker!
Some people want to “win” so much that they forget proper form and attitude. No lie is too big. No punch is too low. Osborne and Cameron’s position is a shocking abuse of their status.
My view is that the “Brown Plan” addresses the issues in a positive way while Osborne and Cameron continue to traitor themselves and do damage to real peoples lives.
Be sti11, gr@$$hopper.
No Lie too big. No punch too low. Who does that remind me of?
Well frankly – gordon, edballs, and ainbustinagut.
The Clunking fist, of course!
Why did you drop me from your label?
Dear G+llyw+g – I still have a toy one of those that my daughter had many years ago.
How stupid labour are to have demonised something that was actually a positive in race relations.
Bring back the Bl+ck and Whi+e M+nstrels!!
Beast – Don’t be silly!
The only problem with slavery was the dusky rascals kept trying to run off when you had paid for them
If only we could get our current crop to leg it elsewhere I would wave them bye bye
A suitable song for Labour would have been Brown Acid…
The only place they’re legging it to is soft-touch Britain. Apparently, we are referred to as “Treasure Island” in many parts of Africa.
Kidnapped! (by Uncle Ebenezer) also by Robert Louise Stevenson. Courage by Gordon Brown, file under Italian war heroes 1939-1945.
At least he Aussies are still allowed a sense of humour, as the yank pointed ot it would be verboten in the US and here.
Pretty gut-cringing how the Aussie presenter after the Jackson Jive act had to coo and fawn to the North American afterwards – and the audience actually applauded – ugh!!
Number one reason for Brits to go to Oz is to escape the political correctness and this ‘anal’ desire not to offend anyone. Aussies do not need to apologise to any foreigner for the product of their own artistic endeavour.
All the public sector workers, benefit fiddlers, and immigrants are whinging about Cameron on Question Time tonight. They don’t seem to realise that Brown has completely screwed the economy and we will all be paying for it for generations to come.
anyone with any actual accountability or sense of responsibility will vote Conservative. On the otherhand those with who have an sense of entitlement or who leach of the work of others will vote Labour. Simple as that. Has to be said of course that many of those who vote Tory will actually pretend to have voted Labour for PR reasons a la many many celebs
Anyone with a full brain will realise that labour or tories will give you the same thing. There is no alternative in this fucking country
QT Yeah, Mr grey-faced Potato Head didn’t look like he was doing so badly on his public sector pay packing away the burgers and kebabs, “my parents are teachers”. Yeah and no doubt brainwashed your fat communist brain.
And that bloody Lib-Dem woman rodent, using every question to attack poor old George Osborne who was under fire throughout the whole programme, with Dimble Bore sticking the knife in at every opportunity.
Usual New Labour rent-an-audience courtesy of the BBC, the whole charade designed for damage control post Tory conference. Sickening.
Strange thing communists, they say they want workers control of the means of production. So why do they hate small business people, while desperately wanting to destroy us all? We are the only people who produce anything while completely controlling the process.
People like me are the only true Communists that exist on this planet. All of the rest of humanity had their souls sold to the banksters, before they were even born.
Because they are liars. In reality they are hooked on the ultimate drug, power, and they will lie, cheat and steal, anything to get their next fix.
Disrupts their game theory: con the workers while we (the politicians) clean up.
The only person who came out of QT well, was Ian Hislop.
Did you see Yvette’s face when he brought up the class question? He asked if she got her job because of where Ed was.
There is something called choice, don’t be a “Labour Lemming”, why watch such a humdrum programme, if the ratings drop right off they will have to get some decent guests on the programme with something between the ears.
Ah, but the public sector workers have never had to go without a pay increase, so when they are asked to forego a year’s salary increment, they don’t like it.
The woman on QT last night sounded like a spoilt child. “It’s not fair” she moaned. Perhaps it would be fairer to make her redundant. Then she could see what it’s like to live on £65 per week!
Talking of which..Apparently it cost £7 million to police the Tamil Tiger demonstration outside parliament eaelier this year.It turns out that the ‘hunger striker’ who was supposedly near death was munchiung his way through McDonalds burgers.You just couldn’t make it up…..Met Police knew about the burgers but were afraid to break up the demonstration and expose the ‘hunger striker’ as a a fraud as they were scared there would be a riot.
I knew a Tamil who was given asylum in this country as were all the family,only for them to return there on holiday a couple of years later.
Bravo beast! weather eye out for the PC stalinists
Life was a lot less complicated when there was only 2 channels
Yes but there were always the bad guys!
Oi. NO. Tonto is an obedient little sherpa. Get it? Tonto Balair is a poodle I am. I work for the big boys in a town near you. Soon to el presidente
Even less so when there was just the one.
No thanks nell, all those welsh ‘singers’ blacked-up and singing Mammmee!, Mammeee!, Mammeee! don’t you know me. (still have bad memories from my child hood).
I had to watch that as a child, too.
I hated it then.
your just a racist and shameless with it. you are a disgrace
fuck off you parrot
BBC quite happy to sack Carole Thatcher for mentioning the go+llyw+w+g hairstile, but have they ever apologised for the B&W Minstrel show, I think we know the answer.
?????, nurse, nurse more medication needed, and stop my internet connection. Are these people still allowed to roam the streets?, care in the community is one thing but fuck a pantomime.
@ Charles E Halfwit – Go and stand on a soapbox with a sandwich board and tell us the end is nigh you fucking halfwit. After today idiots like you are on borrowed time.
“No lie is too big. No punch is too low”
That’s Mandleson to a T.
So Charles……you’re saying that Tony didn’t want to “win” very much back in ’97.
He promised us the earth but actually gave us very little. He gave away much, much more to the powers that be in Brussels, and now we know why. He is to be installed as the new EU President. For years he told us he was looking after the interests of the British people, when all the time he was feathering his own nest.
If you want to talk about damaging people’s lives, how about starting with the families of all the soldiers killed in two illegal and unnecessary wars. Think about the family of Dr Kelly, who died because he told the truth. Then, consider all the soldiers who have come home wounded, due in part to a lack of equipment, and whose compensation is being whittled away through the Courts by a money-hungry government who have grossly mismanaged our taxes. Then, consider the people who have already lost their jobs, and the ones who will be unemployed by Christmas. Think about their families and the impact it will have on their lives.
As for the “addressing the issues in a positive way”, £180m worth of debt is an “issue” we will have to carry with us for a very long time to come. I have nether seen nor heard any evidence from government as to exactly how we are going to pay this money back. However, we do hear a lot about more spending, and yet more borrowing to the tune of £6000 per minute.
Labour has “traitored” itself by its own admission, lack of duty, negligence and failings. The problem is, that narrow-minded people like yourself can’t – or won’t see it.
True, but why did they play that bloody music at the end.
So people knew it was time to go home.
Agreed don’t like the Monkeys much… but ‘All the things I’ve done’ by the Killers when he walked on stage was a triumph such a great song.
Cameron may be many things, for example a Bilberberg stooge, therefore an establishment lacy, just like Mandy, Brown, Ozzy + Clark, but he is clearly not in the slightest bit stupid.
Cameron is clever, very clever, and anyone who genuinely believes he is not, is simply deluding themselves. He is clearly more of a natural politician then Churchill or Thatcher could ever have dreamed of being. Whether this turns out to be a good thing a bad thing, or more likely somewhere in between, only time will tell.
Being clever is no recommendation in itself.
That’s no trick. How could anyone, I say anyone be like Kinnock?
Kinnock was so anti European, I say anti European that he wanted nothing to do with them, nothing to do. Then he was given a well paid, I say well paid job in Europe, I say working for Europe and paid for his expenses, then he became the most pro European ever. The most pro European ever.
Just like his hatred of the House of Lords, which he always wanted to abolish – until he joined them. Five-star hypocrites, him and Mrs Welsh-Windbag. Multi-millionaires at our expense – and for what, precisely??
Sorry, this somehow lost its place but was in response to the mention of Kinnock.
Don’t forget the Kinnock’s son. They got him eating out of the EU trough as soon as they could.
You’re the only thing round here that needs moderating. BTW do you live anywhere near Polly Toynbee?
If Guido moderates it will sort out this load of crap without numbers and replies to others
Pardon! can you speak up a bit.
Oh, that’s OK, then! They do hearing aids there too, now. Or so my wife tells me. She thinks I am deaf!
What are you on about hearing aids for? You’re not just deaf, you’re puddled too.
You seem fishy. Go on! For cod’s sake! Get your skates on a get a herring aid.
and close the tag
He’s not an independent milkman then? Unless you live in his constiuency then you can’t vote for Dave.
exactly how many mushrooms have you taken phil
Guido, I think phil’s OD’d on magic mushrooms, is it possible to contact an ambulance for him, I don’t think he is in fit state to use the telephone.
phil, drink lots of orange juice, I understand it cuts down the effects of the drug.
Why thank you tat.
Would you also pass on thanks to your Mrs for the glorious head she provided whilst you were at work last week.
I’m absolutely speachless and flabbergasted!!!!!!!!!
Titfer has a job?
Cash in hand. Don’t tell HMRC…
Only cash in hand, Engineer?
He works for Tips as an usher in a gay cinema.
Did he say anything about reforming the magistracy?
What do you make of the fact he raised the issue of the EU books never having been audited for 10 years. Personally I think that issue alone in any reformed EU gives Dave an ‘in’ to pass the headache to the Eurocrats. If countries refused to give money in these hard times to an institution that is so blatantly there to further its own ends then deep reforms are needed. This fight ain’t over until the fat lady slims.
Dave made a gaff on that. I’m fairly certain it’s been 14 years since the EU accounts were signed off. No wonder Gordon wants us in up to our necks.
Dave nailed it. Bring on that election.
said george bush’s speechwriter.
Dave nailed it for me. My nail goes in the ukip box
Yeah-promissed the earth and they got a crusty moon from his backend
Sam Cameron is first rate totty.
Labour wives are…er…wives.
The jury’s out on Yvette (Ian) Cooper
Yvette Balls is a same sex partner.
Wrong. Labour wives are shrieking, troughing harridans. Take a look at Slotgob for one example.
Oh come on, I won’t have that…
Who here wouldn’t give their left nut for a go on Pauline Prescott? Huh??
Have you noticed that Gobble McSnot’s wife has legs thicker than tree trunks…all the better for him to see her by.
Mrs Kinnochio in her Milan suit. With a face like a free-range broiler hen who’s been out in the sun too long.
Thank God I’m the husband in my marriage so these misogynistic comments don’t apply to me.
Got the hump, Harriet?
With a face like that, Harriet’s not likely to ever get a hump. Not even from Blunkett.
The camel has a single hump;
The dromedary, two.
Or else the other way around –
I’m never sure. Are you?
Swap her for a camel, it would be a better hump
And a better Leader of the House.
“The State is the servent of the people not the master” Sign me up.
servant or serpent?
…probably meant ‘Sir Pant’.
I thought it was a very very good speech. Dave delivered.
That could be true of an after-dinner speaker. From a politician I expect action.
Blimey, you expect an opposition politician to make laws? I’m afraid only a government can do that. Buy my simple guide “How Parliament Works”.
What’s happened to d’Ancona’s face? Is it a fungal thing? Is it sartorial?
Wow, whatever it was, it was awesome!
DC came across as sincere, I thought. There was no triumphalism but there was anger. I had hoped he’d say more on the expense scandal and that would have got more people onboard. All in all, as a floating voter, I thought it was a good speech pitched the right way and has made me far more inclined to consider giving the Tory party my vote.
I’ve never met sincere. Are you on Punternet?
BEHAVE Hariot HARLOT you have promoted Punternet enough
DC an articulate, good all round egg and a real snappy dresser, he gets my vote! Same cannot be said for turgid Gordo Clown!!
Loved the bit where he said, “Don’t you dare lecture us on poverty…” real venom there.
Great speech. Amazed that BBC call on Maguire to give his usual anti-Tory abuse time after time. Even he couldn’t fault the speech too much.
But, by god, he tried…
Another £200 quid from the taxpayer to toilets?
Maguire??? must be the Beeb’s idea of balance. Even he cannot believe that juvenile, rancid, verbal diarrhea he spouts…..
Trouble is, he can and does, rent-a-McGuire its called.
His political contibution to the week? find someone to dress up as a waiter, get him to approach GO with a tray bearing a champers glass filled with lager and have the cameras ready. What a dildo.
CW gives David Cameron A+ in some ways it was really great speech which the analysts may chew over , but he touched some very real issues CW had tears when he articulated the PIlkington tradgey , and the blast at the failiure of the ruins ecnomic regulation. It was relevant , not a cure all but a begining out of this self applauding and awarding state lie . His description of Blair and Brown and its puffed up broken promises will probebly please conservatives but the public will take some convincing that vanity politics is at its end .
There was some real convcitions in there and acknowledgement to those that have something to offer in grit and determination .
hello chums gets A+ as does Lisbon stand and broken Britain and armed forces .
a bit free and easy with those A pluses you slut.
A little self indulgence once a year doesnt hurt
Mind yer mouth titfer or I’ll cancel your World of Warcraft subscription.
I guess CW is in charge of GCSE marking?!?
just hoping to finalise my Phd dissertation on why new Labour and socialism
are consistantly wonk
Don’t forget to have it proof read CW ;)
PhDs require original research. What else is there to know about socialism and nu liebore?
I just hope I can blame the keyboard
A very good speech…a breath of fresh air when compared to McBroon & his tired old Cabinet!
At Number 10 it’s known as Gordon’s “Tallboy”, not a cabinet.
More like Gordon’s water closet with the amount of shite that passes through there.
Yes Cameron did a mega dump on the Nielabor parade today, and kevin Mcguire just stepped in it. Stupid boy should take more care where he walks.
What a great speech!
Not being a Cameron fan, I must admit, if half of what he said happens it has got to be better than the half witted bunch ruling us now.
I really think he is a good man — family, community, country. Gordon and Tony’s are myself, my legacy, my future.
And the other half can’t be as bad as what we have had to put up with for the last 12 years
It was a good speech rather than a great speech, but he was right to avoid going over the top and looking a twat. This speech will be irrelevant by the time of the election.
Liked the anti surveillance society bit.
In my view the real gem in the speech was the aim to bring an end to the surveillance society, an issue I hadn’t otherwise heard touched upon at conference.
I also liked how he recognised the fact that the big government intervention has gone way too far. The key phrase was him saying we should stop treating adults like children and children like adults!
TOO BLOODY TRUE!!!
Yes that was starry! Summed up so simply how Labour and their drones operate.
He made a big point early in the speech about his commitment – when he is PM – to our troops in Afghanistan. This got one of the biggest ovations.
If he achieves nothing else when the Tory government is back then he should get all our votes just for this.
Are the speed cameras not part of the srrveillance system? They make money!
They announced no more funding for speed cameras.
Speed cameras do not make money (The R0yal M1nt does).
Speed Cameras transfer money from drivers.
He was wise not to give a GREAT, ranting speech. Avoid the Kinnock hubris!
Well alright! Well Alright!! Well ALRIIIIIIGGGHHHHTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.
Exactly. There’s no point voting for any mainstream party because since 1972, European law trumps UK law so as things currently stand, what’s the fucking point of Westminster at all?
I am a civilian but I went to a former colleague’s funeral last autumn in Brighton and I couldn’t believe how the police just closed the streets to traffic (with the involvement of the SAS it transpires). He was attached to the SAS as a TA signaller. If you think that the new boss is the same as the old boss and not serious about equipping the men in Afghanistan then I presume that either 1) you are not from 2 Para or 2) you are but don’t give a fuck about men serving overseas.
Whoa – come back – bit off bloody topic there freak boy
I have a lot of time for mad fred 2 para’s posts over the last six months but this time I intend to challenge him. Stay out of it please.
you are such a wanker EC1.
a total cretin.
“stay out of it please”? you pompous fucking oaf.
mad fred would smash your fucking skull in you spineless tit.
I have no disagreement with you tat.
So you agree you are a wanker? Grow some balls boy.
I don’t quite get your logic.
Are you saying that 1) paras cannot be cynical about smooth talking politicians.
2) Its inconceivable that anyone could be cynical about a smooth talking politician?
Or just “dave’s great, believe everything”.
I disagree with 1) and 2). I also don’t believe that “Dave’s great” etc.
I am, however, a supporter of our armed services in Afghanistan. What got my goat was mad fred 2 para (sometimes retired)’s response to the speech. However, in retrospect, my ire is misplaced as his post was about Lisbon. Therefore, I withdraw my comments.
you can’t withdraw your comment. Guido keeps them forever.
I’m sure Dave will spend more money now he’s decided thats his thing, but I’d still wonder whether its a deep seated moral thing, or something he got from focus group statistics.
I’m pretty certain that the army in Afganistan will still have bits of kit that don’t quite work (its sods law) whoever is in government.
fred para and you EC1 and I the great thick as thieves are all supporters of the armed forces and so we agree on the important issues.
and it was an honourable thing for you to withdraw the comments.
you sound like a decent fellow and so I too wish to withdraw the attack I made upon you earlier.
I fully retract the insults I directed at you.
Yo. Respect is due.
A decent speech. Brillo and his two press buddies were criticising it a little for not being a barnstormer, but I don’t think an overly triumphalist or hyperbolic speech would have gone down well at all. Quietly confident was the general feeling to me.
Brillos got his left trouser leg rolled up you shoukl know that by now,part of the socialist culture.Brillo and Paxman and their cohorts ask the questions they are told to ask,and make socialist engineered comment to keep their jobs.
Funny thing; all the speakers at the LibDem, Labour and Conservative Conferences spent their time talking about the Conservative party.
As Oscar Wilde said, “there’s only one thing worse than being talked about….. “
I bet Lord Mandelson watched this and thought “Right, when do I throw Gordon under the train and replace with Ed Miliband and his pink ties and touching stories of meeting long-lost relatives from the other side of the Iron Curtain?”
Trust me, this is going to happen in weeks, not months…
Actually he is calling that OTHER NEW LORDY the retired army general guy for DC’s phone number RATS and Sinking Ship come to mind
yep, time to dump the woos people.
It’s rather worrying that polls indicate that dumping Brown would hand Labour a certain victory at the next GE, in spite of the huge damage the party has inflicted on the nation. The question is: is Mandy ruthless enough to oust the lame duck Brown?
Yes. He is ruthless enough without a doubt.
I think he would like to be leading the party himself (although he is in all but name at the moment).
Like Harpic,the power behind the throne!
There is no doubt that Mandy is ruthless and he is very comfortable to lie with gay abandon. He will flick the one-eyed snot gobbler aside as though it were a bogie as and when the time suits.
There has already been briefing questioning Gordo’s health. Prescription drugs, eye sight etc. So a face saving measure would be to retire him on grounds of ill health.
Whether that would guarantee NL victory is another matter.
Still, with the Lisbon treaty in the bag it doesn’t make much difference either way. The HoC will become irrelevant.
What rubbish! They are going down.
What are they going to do? Who have they got?
Postman Pat? They’re about to go on strike, causing mayhem to benefits claimants, small online businesses and everyone else in the run up to Christmas.
Millitwits I & II? Do me a favour.
Jack (accountancy’s not my strong point) Straw? Well you said it Jack.
Mincer in Chief Lord Fondlebum? Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!
Let Pandlebum bring it on, just make sure each time a photo appears its the one of his barmy brother waving his banana, that should ensure wipe out for the under-ripened Millibunch.
Baron Fartlepool and Hoy doesn’t want to be leader. He craves power without responsibility (the privilege of the harlot down the ages).
No referendum=No vote
Enjoy the next hung parliament :)
He mention holding a referendum in his speech knowing full well that the treaty will be ratified by the end of the year. Bad Man!!!
don’t worry, I will.
You love everything well-hung, we saw your internet dating ad, you tart.
you are projecting anti social citizen.
don’t judge other people by your own standards, eh?
I saw that dating ad as well. Wasn’t interested but in any case I didn’t have change for a fiver.
How’s your usher-job in the Cinema coming along?
Madness. How can you have a referendun after the damn treaty is passed? It would be like a football forecasting phone-in after the tournament is over. Cameron is suspicious of the EU, like most Tories, and will possibly think up some aspect of it that we can have a referendum on, but he can’t do anything yet, and he is wise just to wait until next Summer. Roll it on!
It’s very easy.
The House repeals the legislation(as it cannot be bound by a previous law), and then we have a referendum on whether to endorse it.
and then what? We have been furtively tied more and more into the EU for decades. If we repeal all the laws overnight what will the EU do? UKIP want to negotiate a free trade agreement – how many years would that take and what would that do to our economy pending an agreement,assuming we could get one? Why would the EU play ball? -I assume they would be a bit upset at our sudden withdrawal and hardly in a helpful mood.Not a good bargaining posiiton.
What about all the EU funded projects -will we have the funding stopped and what will we do -borrow to make up the shortfall? Scrap the work?
I loathe the EU for the overblown,corrupt dictatorship it is but no-one has yet come up with a practical way of withdrawing. Politicians since 1973 have made sure this would be very difficult. Lisbon just formalises that agenda.
If withdrawal is to happen it will take a lot of planning and will not be a one hit exercise.
Not impossible to leave the EU though. Don’t we pay MPs to do hard tasks?
> What about all the EU funded projects -will we have the funding stopped and what will we do -borrow to make up the shortfall? Scrap the work?
As we are net payers into the EU, we can just fund it ourselves and be around 6 billion a year up.
Too late if the lisbon ‘senior law’ comes into effect Jan 2010. If Dave don’t give an in or our referendum we will have a hung parliament and it will be his fault
I wonder when Czech President Klaus will be found dead a la Kelly for holding up the Lisbon Constitution. It would solve a lot of problems.
Forget a televised leader debate.
Let’s have Dannat versus Brown in a good old-fashioned fist-fight
Good idea Dannat could get him on the blind side.
It’s Lord Gravy Train dammat now.
I’ll have a fiver on Dannat…
how about the leaders wives topless wrestling?
My money would go on Miriam Clegg.
Is that the bloke out of “Last Of The Summer Wine”
Have all the male tv journos been given the day off on the bbc? 2 blonds who obv hate the tories talking nonsense
Great speech btw
That is the BBC for you……. must be boiling their p*ss to think that next year, everyone they take for idiots, will have voted and kicked out the party they fawn over!!
Hopefully, in the dawn of a new era of austerity they will all have to apply for their own jobs again, at drastically reduced pay levels, if they do not like it they can f8ck off to Al Jazeera tv and see how bad they can be as employers!!
Reapply? B*llocks fire them all and give them second class tickets to the Republic of Scotland.
We arny wantin any mair crap here in Glesca.
Keep them doon there, pal.
Excellent speech – absolutely nailed it.
Why don’t you put gοllywοgs on your jam anymore?
you thick twat, J R Hartley wrote that excellent book on fly fishing.
How’s mum by the way ?
Mummy has never been right again since she went round to Gordon’s for dinner.
Sorry about my ignorance on fishing but I just jump at the chance to say GΟLLYWΟG.
Talking about a black childrens toy = Sack
Saying PAK1 = Second Chance.
Because they don’t want to be associated with you.
Gollys were on Robertson’s Jam not Hartleys. Yes, Robertson’s jam with trinkets for kids, that was it.
I don’t care if a fucking retard runs the Country so long as we get rid of these fucking corrupt Scottish Socialist Huntze next year.
A dry piece of dog shit would be better than McGay.
A freshly laid splattering of diahorrea dog shit would be better than McGay…
Two dry dog turds laid across a fresh laid splattering of diahorrea mounted on a plinth and stuck on the wall would be better than McGay.
Whatever happened to chalky dog shits?
Have they been banned?
What you describe as ‘chalky dog shits’ are actually fox shits… they’re everywhere atm endangering a chicken near you.
And the pheasants
I don’t believe that on two counts:
a) I don’t believe there were foxes with arses as big as an alsation’s in council estates in the 1970s.
b) I know what fox crap looks like. They love to crap on prominent places. Look before you pick up bits of tree trunk.
I found that but since adding tile grout to her breakfast she’s fine now. Has been for five years.
That white stuff is Polyfiller mixed with sardines in oil aimed particularly at cats, but foxes will do. It solidifies when it comes into contact with digestive juices. Hard Shit!
The dog turd would win by a land slide if it was up against Brown.
No-one outside the conservative rent-seeker party is ecstatic about Blair v2.
A good speech and a great place to start putting some meat on the bones.
If he delivers on less/smaller Government giving more power back to individual institutions (i.e. police, NHS, education etc.) and to communities generally then I’m with him all the way.
I think it’s also clear that he is expecting to have to live with complete ratification of Lisbon and that he is commited to negotiating the repatriation of powers back to the UK, which he can do from a position of strength if he suggests there will be difficulties in the UK Government agreeing to any further treaties in the future, which is of course the very life-blood of integration in Europe.
Good luck to him, he’s on the right track.
All the coppers want is extra sausage on their sandwich
Same as in the TUC canteen.
Don’t you get it ? There is no need for any additional treaty(s) after Lisbon. It’s the end-game. Checkmate. Finis. Any minor items that have not been given away can be tagged on later using the self modifying clause. No agreement from “Dave” needed.
You may not have kept up and may not know this. But Dave certainly does. And Does he look like he cares ? I mean really cares ? Enough to reverse it ? Nah, ” we will just have tgo live with the new reality “.
Yebbut, can you imagine Hague being bossed by President Phony? I don’t think so.
Do you think we’d pay an EU fine? What with?
Do you think they’ll chuck us out of the club? That’ll do nicely, thank you so much. Byeeee!
No, No, and No
I’m sure UKIP will give us the detail on this valid point.
Read the German Court ruling on the Lisbon Treaty, you might just learn something.
Quite a canny speech by Dave. He set the tone for a future government.
He did strike me as deeply and sincerely believing the things he said, in a way that “trust me” Tony never did, fine orator though he was.
The journos reckon it was policy light. It was; it set the tone for Dave’s vision of Britain, and I share most of his aspirations. He didn’t do policy because he didn’t want to feed the Labour spin machine with raw material to twist, dismember and spit back at him, or shamelessly steal.
Negatives? Still not sure where we are on Lisbon.
Another negaqtive No place for David Davis in his government, he went out of his way to say that Grayling WOULD be home secretary.
I’d give it 9/10. Didn’t like the NHS free for ever comment, plus one or two other remarks, for which I docked 1 point.
ha ha ha, very good engineer.
the key issue of the sovereignty of parliament and you are still not sure and neither is your leader, david cameron.
fucking hell engineer.
talk about the blind leading the blind!
TaT, for the umpteeth time, I’m a floating voter.
Who will probably vote Conservative.
shut up you lying bastard.
you are tory scum.
why are you so ashamed of publicly acknowledging your affiliations to the tory party?
You sound like a twat
tat, just ‘cos poeple don’t like Broon doesn’t make them Tory.
My vote goes to whoever has the best chance of sending the Liebour party into obvlivion at the election – and right now that’s Dave and friends.
Realistically the choice at the next election is between Gordon Brown and David Cameron – your call!
Nearly there tat. The sovereignty of parliament is not an ‘issue’. It’s de facto. Each and every law would have to be re-written and our entire legal system upended otherwise.
The legal point is that if it’s given that the sovereignty of Parliament exists, it therefore cannot vote for or sign anything which takes its own sovereignty away, as then it wouldn’t be sovreign and therefore wouldn’t have the authority to do so and would thus be unlawful.
Is there not a danger that it becomes like the monarch – nominally in charge but the real day-to-day powers have been stripped away?
Hello Susie. Are you saying that Brown didn’t have the authority to agree to the Lisbon Treaty /constitution and that Dave or Hague is suggesting that? Would it not have been helpful if HMQ had told Gordon given the chance? It would be very helpful to clarify. Thank you, Susie.
Watch this space… but in the meantime google the ruling Judge Law handed down for the SHunthorpe Metric Martyrs.
Hague’s keeping his powder dry and will not say a dickie bird. You don’t show the enemy the entrance to your escape tunnel in case the camp guards close it off.
Nice to see all those little fishies being caught in the trap,Bliar mk1 did it and now Bliar mk2 is doing the same,referendum= my vote,our Liebour mp is just hanging on Davy boy and we have a nice NuCon PPC,remember Dave,referendum=my vote.
And what the fuck was Ian Parsley doing speaking at the conference. He’s an Alliance member.
He wasn’t even introduced as an Alliance member. Just as a councillor from NI.
It’s like having a Lib Dem speaking.
What’s that all about?
Maybe because the Tories don’t have anyone elected in NI, I suppose, but there should have been comment at the way they slipped that one in.
Here we go here we go here we go…………..
said the football hooligan.
I think he’s referencing a Japanese WW2 Admiral…
Cameron’s speech was sombre and serious, just right for someone about to be given the job of clearing up the almighty mess left behind after 12 years of Gordon Brown.
At the risk of exciting Carol Thatcher, you need a bloody big spade for that size of mess. Not a speech.
Don’t call a shovel a spade! more a JCB front loader and back hoe.
Karl Marx could win as a tory against gordon brown!!!
Therein lies the problem, Karl. Dave did acknowledge that, too.
In a few months time I don’t want to hear talk of drawing lines, moving on or any of that bollocks. I want accountability forced on NuLab, I want arrests, I want seizure of property and cash regardless of whose name it’s in or who is thrown into the street, I want proper punitive sentences and I want Blair delivered in cuffs and orange overalls to Den Haag and a referendum.
I may then voluntarilly, for the first time in 32 years of eligibility to do so, actually vote conservative (God help me).
considering more tory MPs than labour ones voted for the war criminal tony blair to commit his war crimes it looks as if you will have to wait until hell freezes over.
They were supposed to be reading Tolkien’s ‘Lord of the Rings’ tat. What was delivered to them was National Lampoon’s ‘Bored of the Rings’ by the pie-eyed Piper at the Crates of Porn.
Our parliamentary democracy was undermined by the collusion of a mad dandy with an idiot mouthpiece for twats like Perle and Holy Joe and the organisation(s) they represent.
We’ll have to have a deep think about how we allow them to make war. Cardinal Blair has a price to pay and pay it he will. One way or another.
Isn’t it Count Tolkien who is standing against Dave in witney?
Seconded on fullest retribution, Traitors Gate is ready.
I’d like Brown arrested for treason. He committed it when he signed the Lisbon Treaty. Ignorance of the law is no excuse, and that is what he’s done.
Blair thinks being EU Pres will protect him from his war crimes (why he’s been so desperate to get the post), so did Berlusconii.
Sorry; Why didn’t Her Majesty The Queen say anything at their weekly chat?
I don’t think they’re talking much nowadays.
She, like the rest of us, has no time for the tosser.
At a Boy!
(why’s it all in italics??)
it’s slanted to the right
Sky’s Kay Burley is such a Labour bitch. Her closeness to the manipulative and scheming Sarah Brown has clearly affected any pretence of impartiality.
She’s from Wigan
she fucking stuck it to Brownstalin the other day though
Who cares! I’d give her one.
Labour … Kinnock … 1992 …
Would the last Cameron to leave Manchester please put the Blears out?
If the states the servant of the people why are we not getting a vote on Lisbon.Camerons as sneaky as Brown on this and until we get a say on Europe my vote will be with UKIP.It matters not who thinks their running the country Europe are the puppet masters.I voted against it in the seventies and it hasn’t got any better.
I do not understand:
Situation 1: Treaty in place
UKIP and Cons are in the same boat. They can not do anything, it exists. Bleating about the past will not help the system. It is like asking for a referendum now, on going to war in Afghanistan, it will not bring back the dead. They have to move to a frustration policy to avoid, and undo, the UK laws based on EU dictates. There is an huge amount of work to undo and minimize the EU nanny system effects.
Situation 2: Election comes and treaty is still held up
UKIP has no standing, or reason to exist, as Cons WILL give a referendum.
UKIP wins and leaves EUSSR. Problem solved. Conservatives win next election.
UKIP stands down Conservatives win.
What’s to lose for the Conservatives (except one election)?
UKIP has little chance of gaining a single seat let alone a parliamentary majority
so UKIP syphon off votes in key marginals, we end up with a hung Parliament. Labour buys off Libdems with PR so EU project accelerates and Europhiles stay in power for the forseeable future.
Of course UKIP also gains as it hopes to get seats via PR in national elections.
Conservatives put what they will do in their manifesto and people can vote on it.
You got it resurgemus.
Situation 1… I leave the country for Canada or preferably New Zealand.
Situation 2… I’m trusting them. Hague has quite a few tricks up his sleeve and is a constitutional buff, he’ll find a (legal) way through the EU mire.
Another possibility -if the treaty/constitution is ratified before the election – is for the Conservatives to offer a referendum on specific points that they would want to re-negotiate. For example:
No Foreign Secretary;
Retaining our vetoes;
Getting the Common Agricultural Policy amended so we stop subsidising the French;
Bringing back much of the law making to Westminster from Brussels;
This would mean that the British People would be given the opportunity of a referendum which would ensure an even bigger Tory victory and Haigh would have a very strong hand in any negotiations, because a referendum on that kind of basis would get an overwhelming YES.
Treaty in place. Illegal to bad mouth the EU. No state funding for opposing political party’s. Arrest of.
Usual UKIP bollocks argument.
If it’s all a waste of time and nobody can do anything , then why are you fielding candidates ?
If no UK government can do anything then how could a UKIP govt. succeed ?
You are confusing we can do nothing with UKIP have done nothing. Time for somebody else to have a chance.
Resurgmes- It may be bollocks but that is half the fecking problem: No one has been informed as to what is what and before you say something daft like ‘Read it’ – I’m sure it ain’t in Braille or easily explained to illiterate people. As it is most people don’t have enough spare time and the politicians know this and make the cross referencing even more foreboding I’m told.
Look if you buy a Monday/Lemon Car you can return it, sell it. or scrap it. Nothing is cast in stone, declare war on Europe.
Family, country, community, good stuff, not too sure about all this mountain climbing though, and by golly what an ugly bunch the shadow cabinet is…still we’ve got PM’s questions to look forward to soon, should be fun.
No, it’s Bad stuff, you’re administrating the country, not running society.
Agree, but, to get to administrate you have to get elected, and to get elected you need a policy/vision thing that appeals to voters, and if Dave wants to base his on family, country, community, that seems fair enough to me.
State intervention has a record of destroying the family and “communities”.
Great to hear Cameron say he’ll scrap “ID cards, 42 days and Labour’s surveillance state”.
John Smith tried to climb a mountain, didn’t do him much good!
I’m all in favour of a hung parliament too. There are enough lamposts ropes in westminster to make it so.
H&S goons have been changing them to the new “rope safe” ones just in case.
There’s a bridge right outside…
Tie the ropes to the bridge, attach rope to the MPs neck and give them a “nudge”.
Quite right ACO – a few years ago on the defunct C4 forum, it was worked out that they could all be done in no more than 2 ‘suspensions’. It was suggested that the last one should be left overnight so that people arriving early in the mist could hear the ropes creak as the breeze swung them slightly.
The bridge is high.
tie one MP neck to another MPs legs.
Blackfriars Bridge tends to be the usual venue for that sort of thing (or is that nly where Italian bankers are involved?).
I don’t listen to peacetime speeches. Just words that is all they are, words.
Action, now we are talking.
Watch your step Cameron. The Blogosphere will be even less forgiving if you betray your words.
I hear you SO17, I hear you. Give us a hug:)
he already has betrayed his word. he said that we were the masters, and constitutionally speaking we are.
so where is the referendum on the lisbon treaty?
nowhere to be found.
the only conclusion that can be drawn from this is that david cameron is a lying c’unt.
just like blair, just fucking like him.
says the fucking liar
you are a bird aren’t you phil?
what gives you away is your nagging and false accusations.
phil o’pastree is a fucking bird pretending to be a geezer!
go nag someone you fishwife. isn’t hubby home?
oh, he left you. oh dear.
I can’t act out your fantasies for you ya pervert. Stick with that dating website you are so fond of. You might get lucky one day.
definitely a bird.
why do you post as a man you fucking weirdo?
bit kinky innit.
He’s flour, fat and water, just like you’re rubbish tat. OK?
Spot on TAT
I should clarify what I think the difference between a Wartime leaders speech and a peacetime leaders speech.
In wartime no matter how the truth is bent the leaders intent is clear. To win the war.
In peacetime the leaders intent is not clear. Even if they themselves believe they are telling the truth.
Blair really did believe he was right about Iraq and still does probably the fucking twat.
Good speech pressed the right buttons except EUSSR,maybe he might surprise us on this eventually.
promises are a comfort to a fool.
you must be comforted
said the fool.
If Cameron wants to win the formula is simple:
Give us a referendum on Europe, and stick with the decision.
Stop ALL child benefits – if people want children in this overcrowded island then let them pay for them.
Lower taxation by cutting down on self-perpetuating non-jobs in the Public Sector.
Stop ALL immigration – while there is one person unemployed we cannot afford to let anyone else in, regardless of their qualifications.
Why stop the benefits? Why not just kill all every first-born child in the UK? Hell, Haringey have been doing it now for years.
Someone called “Izmi Atonreett” shouldn’t really be calling for a stop to immigration.
You didn’t think that was Izmi’s real name did you?
What’s his name got to do with it? If he is right he’s right, if he is wrong he’s wrong.
If his hats on right why not
Why not instead auction the right to work in the U.K.?
Banning all immigration is
1) Rather bad for the economy.
2) An extra policing cost.
Give us a referendum on that.
I’ll be glad when they’ve all buggered off out of Manchester.
The rush South will be like Saturday afternoon after a Man United game.
Merely viewing the facial expressions of the Tory audience will guarantee a big Tory majority in the election .
Compared with the lumpen, dough faced ,misreable gits at the Labour wake,
where every face was deeply etched with a combination of resentment,failure,
and entitlement, the faces of the Tories beamed optimism, confidence and
self reliance .
Twelve years of despotic rule by New Labour has created more lugubrious
outlook than Adolf Hitler ever managed with his Luftwaffe .
And Adolf Hitler was the most dangerous man in Europe, until Gordon Mc Snot came on the scene.
Seems to me the only chance Labour have now is to either release some secret dirt on Dave but it would have to be a real shocker, or replace Gordon with Alan Johnson.
and that is exactly what is going to happen.
HONEST AL **CHEERS!**
DODGY DAVE THE BENEFIT CHEAT **BOO HISS!**
I have never understood when Nulabour say “We don’t want a Toff who went to Eaton running this Country” but would rather have an ex postman, aahhh the
politics of envy.
Alas, they will all be ex-postmen soon, the porr deluded buggers.
So who is going to lose all my mail?
Is that a labour version of loss of virginity?
tory troll, I am independent. I am just messing with you.
splitting the vote, general political sabotage, that kind of thing, you know.
Independent of what? Common sense, integrity, commitment, ideas? Yeah you sit on the fence titfer and lampoon others who can form an opinion amd make a decision.
oh fuck off phylis you fishwife go nag someone else for a change.
jesus you must be one ugly bitch.
you have a mouth like a sewer you whore.
no wonder you can’t pull a fella innit.
says the lesbian in dungarees
Actually, it’s Eton, old boy.
“release some secret dirt on Dave”
I think Mark Oaten specialises in just that sort of thing.
Oaten doesn’t like secret dirt, though…
David Cameron Closing Speech in full http://tinyurl.com/pknlxn
Shirt still clean?
156 – Presumably Cameron was not taught English at Eton – and certainly not Latin or Greek; or is it that he’s just ‘Heir to Blair’s Grammar’? He is plainly a stranger to the colon and the semi-colon, and can bring himself to utter Americanisms such as ‘Excuse me!’, without shame. His speech reads – and I admit to not having been able to hear it delivered – like a series of ‘Bullet-points’ delivered by an enthusiastic Manager to a team of Salesmen (while whacking the ‘flip-chart’ for emphasis). I assume that he is actually still in thrall to Blair’s ‘Cool Britannia’/’Year Zero’ nonsense, so that no hint of depth, of perspective, of History can be admitted – still less, any literary, philosophical, or religious, references, allusions, or quotations. What a pity that Demotic is now deemed to be the only possible political discourse. Could he not have surprised (and delighted some, although puzzled others) with references to the Past, to our long history, to our wonderful Literature?
It must have been a good speech even the text has started to lean to the right.
The stupidty and constant whining of the so called Ukippers is becoming a real bore. I don’t want the Lisbon treaty to go through any more than you do roadrunner.
However, by definition if the treaty has been ratified you can’t have a referendum and lets make this quite clear as promised in Labours last manifesto.
Just for the record this si the definition of a referendum: A referendum (plural referendums or referenda), ballot question, or plebiscite (from Latin plebiscita, originally a decree of the Concilium Plebis) is a direct vote in which an entire electorate is asked to either accept or reject a particular proposal.
So if Lisbon is law it aint a proposal and would need to be dealt with in some other manner to ensure we keep our sovereingty.
Vote UKIP, get Labour.
As a natural conservative, I distrust anybody who is too Political and UKIP are totally Political, as well as being champion troughers.
And that is only via withdrawal from the EUSSR.
Hence back to voting UKIP.
1. Get out of the EU
Like Cameron said in an interview, it’s partly because some people voted UKIP in 2005 that we had 5 more years of Labour who signed up to the Lisbon treaty without asking us. I voted UKIP myself in the European elections as a protest vote but come the general election I think people need to vote for a serious political party in order to get Labour out.
> Vote for a serious political party
That rules out the big 3.
UKIP kept Blair and Brown
Campbell and Mandelson couldn’t have had better allies.
Vote Labour get more of the same
Vote Conservative get more of the same
Vote UKIP get change and leave the Brussels Gravy train.
they did nothing when the treaty was formed but whinge and hand in expenses.
they did nothing when Brown signed the treaty except whinge and claim expenses.
they didn’t organise any mass rallies, they didn’t mount any legal challenges , they didn’t mobilise resistance. They left it to others as they claimed their expenses.
they don’t attack Brown for welching on the referendum.
they don’t attack Clegg for welching on the referendum
they attack Cameron – why ?
‘Cos he’s a Tory and Tories eat babies, innit.
the permission of the British people must be gained to legalise the transfer of power to another body. that is because sovereignty lies with the people.
that is the constitution.
you tories are so criminally minded you have no respect for the law.
lawbreakers cannot be lawmakers, how many times do you ignorant criminal minded c’unts have to be told, eh?
the lisbon treaty cannot be ratified until it has gained the consent of the British people.
just because the cocksucker gordon brown signed the document means nothing, legally speaking. in fact it was a fraudulent thing to do because gordon brown did not have the authority to sign the document, and he knew that to be the case.
the lisbon treaty remains null and void until we have voted on it.
I’m sure you standing on a door step telling voters their “chumps” and cripples will persuade them.
If he has the bottle to speak to people like that to their faces then either he is built like Tyson or he is typing from his hospital bed.
if you do not respect the constitution you deserve hanging.
there is no written constitution
Blair & Brown therefore can do what they like as long as they get Parliament to say yes
But hey you voted for them so stop moaning
“if you do not respect the constitution you deserve hanging.”
Fair enough but unfortunately Mr & Mrs. Bliar have outlawed hanging.
then civil war it will have to be.
Baroness Scotland seems to have got away wih it.
as has Uddin the horrible
Sovereignty does not lie with the people in the United Kingdom. The United Kingdom is not a Republic. Sovereignty is the Monarch in Parliament. We had since 1066 to get used to it. Why don’t the British understand. We have democracy on sufferance. The Royal Prerogative is the the voice of sovereignty.
pity she let Lisbon thru then
The only referendum that is gonnae take place is the vote on Independence fur Scotland.
If Cameron wins wee Alec Salmond is gonny campaign on the Tories no havin’ a mandate north of the Border.
The United Kingdom is headin fur a wee problem.
I believe it was reported today that Scotland has dumbed down following devolution.
Independence should really take IQs down the the level of the SNP voter.
Exactly – good sense at last on the referendum and Lisbon.
What was interesting was what Cameron said about repatriating powers from Europe in today’s speech.
Brought to mind what he told various media folk earlier in the week who could smell a story (Tories split over Europe type of thing). Cameron’s position is: if the treaty (a.k.a. ‘The Constitution’) has been ratified before the election then he will announce then what the Tory policy is. If the treaty hasn’t been ratified, we will have the referendum.
Seems clear to me that in the event it has been ratified Cameron will be repatriating areas of responsibility that should be within the remit of our Government – whatever flavour.
171 – What sovereignty, since EU ‘Law’ is said to trump all?
But, thankfully: Laws can be repealed, Treaties can be abrogated, agreements ‘torn up’, Pacts dishonoured – as a once-fawned-upon Austrian Socialist, among others, showed.
So it follows, that we could have a referendum on a ratified Lisbon Treaty – ‘Do you wish this Country to [continue to] be bound by ‘The Lisbon Treaty’? Politicians could then ‘set out their stalls’, ‘The People of England’ (G.K.Chesterton) would then deliver their vote. If a majority said ‘Yes’, then Brussels could continue ‘business as normal'; if a majority said ‘No’, then the politicians could then again ‘set out their stalls’ for how best to proceed – ”Repatriate xxx powers”; “Re-negotiate xyz”; “stop payment of ‘Danegeld’ “; “make any payments to Brussels from henceforth subject to satisfactory reform of ‘the Common Agricultural Policy’/ ditto ‘Fisheries’ “;……..; “withdraw from the E.C., with immediate effect.”
Better Historians than I will be able to think of other examples than just of Adolf and the sundry breaches of the various Treaties in the 1930’s. And, if you think, ‘That would mean War!’ just recall how reluctant our ‘Partners’ have been and are to commit to fighting anywhere in support of their Alliances.
USA let the French and Germans invade us? I don’t think so.
No it would be sanctions, but as we buy more from them than we sell to them they’d be shooting themselves in the pied.
A. What is he up against?
B. The run-in to polling day will be bloody to say the least!
C. The ‘short memory brigade’ will afford no honeymoon this time round.
If you’ve got nothing, you’ve got nothing to loose!
What is he up against?
Cameron will be up against gordon’s finest slashers and smearers.
McBride, ishat, ffoolkes, kevan, alastairC, CharlieW, EdB.
So Dave is
Not going to hold a referendum,
Not going to put Davis in his cabinet
Not going to hug huddies
Not going to remove the 50% tax
Not going to let interest rates rise to help savers
Dave seems to have changed his mind a lot over the last few days and the Tory faithful have not realised.
Anybody but Gordon
How is it he was “do nothing Dave” and there were no policies from the Conservatives to suddenly he has changed his mind when he does lay out policies?
that’s about it…..
Trouble is he’s got more policies than gordon at the moment. And most of them are good sound sensible one’s.
Gordon? Oh Yes – “We’ll spend spend spend”
Why didn’t he mention the billions of pounds we give to the EU every year?
Cameron’s anti-Lisbon strategy is crumbling. Santa Klaus cannot keep the fairies from handing over the goodies. Angela and Nicholas are getting jolly batey, and Cammers can’t weally tell them to stick Lisbon where they like.
This moment of great Conservative optimism has been achieved by hiding the grim reality of EU power, and not facing the real difficulties.
But there is another way.
The growth of eurosceptic minor parties to 15% opens up a new possibility – that proportional representation would see the europhiles buried in permanent opposition. PR used to be the strategy of the europhiles, but as the EP elections show, it benefits eurosceptics now.
If the Conservatives don’t offer a referendum on PR , then UKIP will do so.
Their support will surge, as the Referendum Party’s did in 1997. The policy will be copied smartish by Cameron or he will lose the election.
The strength of British euroscepticism will translate into power at Westminster one way or another.
So UKIP need a Brown\Clegg govt so they can bring in PR and keep the UKIP gravy train rolling.
No referendum no Tory vote.
No referendum-no conservative vote. If labour get back in then we will fight for our sovereignty. This is a takeover which many won’t stomach or roll over nor accept.
so by definition you’re not fighting now.
doing sod all.
smoking a Gauloise while saying “ah c’est difficile”.
haven’t got the time to organise the revolution as you have expenses to fill in.
Resergmes-No that’s not true. Dave is being deliberately awkward: He knows full well that he can play his cards close to his chest, keeping us in suspense and at the same time putting people off supporting ukip with money or help. That’s not fair on the UK and he knows it but plays it like a formula one race with unknown pit stops.
if you were playing poker would you show everyone your cards ?
I would rate the man an idiot if he boxed himself into a corner.
Europe is a long game and if you honestly think things will not change inn the next 7 months with Labour, UKIP and the Eurocrats trying to trip him up you trsut politicians more than I do.
He cannot duck the issue and will have to put a position in his manifesto before the election. Why should he limit his room to manoeuvre just because UKIP want him to ? Why should he tell the Eurocrats his strategy and give them a head start?
keep them guessing I say.
> Why should he limit his room to manoeuvre just because UKIP want him to?
Because 15% of the his votes might be riding on it.
No referendum, no vote.
Tapestry your thread is unravelling
How can Cameron’s anti-Lisbon strategy be crumbling. He said he would hold a referendum if the Lisbon Treaty was not ratified before the election.
If Klaus cannot hold out and it is ratified before the election, Cameron will deal with the situation as he finds it.
Don’t make out this is some kind of massive Tory disaster and everyone will flee to UKIP. WTF are UKIP going to do about it
Get real, Cameron isn’t the prime minister (unless you are Nick Robinson).
If you want to complain, try Gordon Brown; he signed the thing
>WTF are UKIP going to do about it
Leave the cause of the problem.
No they won’t
It’s like asking what the LibDems will do about anything
IT DOESN’T MATTER WHAT THEY OR UKIP SAY AS THEY WILL NEVER GET THE CHANCE TO PUT IT INTO PRACTICE
much as I wouldn’t mind distancing the Uk from the European Central government objective and making other countries think about where Gemany and France are leading us
UKIP won’t complain
they did nothing for 5 years on the treaty but create a few cheap stunts
they have done nothing in the UK, no campaigning, nothing to organise political pressure on the UK government. One of them was even telling bloggers not to sign the latest petition for a referendum !
All UKIP do is try to put pressure on Cameron. Odd that on the day the BBC run the Eurosplit story, UKIP are out in force. Michael Crick conveniently finds a UKIP protest outside the conference as his background.
UKIP do not stand on their own platform, but basically are trying to hijack someone else’s because they cannot be arsed to do the hard work.
I’m telling you that if the euro flag ever flies over Parliament or Buckingham Palace there will be big trouble.
Where are the protests today, the barricades in the street – too lazy to organise it; left it for someone else to do ?
UKIP – more mouth than Cheire Blair; less in the trouser department than Hazel Blears.
You are a prize tosser. You don’t understand what British is. As for lazy: Read up on ukip on wiki or other. UKIP have been warning us for years and you do not need to listen but don’t slag off patriots who care enough to offer support. They came second in The euro elections June 4th, have taken Billericay council seat and standing five hundred prospective parliamentary candidates. What do you do I wonder? If you are affiliated to a political party do the decent thing and stand up in their name so we can think about supporting you. Tosser!
Firstly I am not affiliated to a party and have considered voting UKIP.
However based on the twaddle I have seen recently that’s unlikely to be a vote for you.
You really ought to read some of your posts again. UKIP’s policy seems to be point the finger at everyone else except themselves.
Irish – plucky heroes 2008 – useless “chumps” 2009
Klaus – traitor !
Tories – it’s all their fault if Lisbon is implemented.
UKIP have had a mandate in the last 2 European Parliamnents. You have not pressurised the current government through mass protests, a petition ( if you’re right you could have got 5+ million signatures ). Instead we have cheeky chappy videos which are fun to watch but change nothing.
The current government signed the treaty and still have the ability to repeal it, they’re not exactly troubled by you at the moment. The macho threats sound distinctly hollow ;at least a small girl from the Greens threw paint on Mandelson.
UKIP’s pitch to voters like me is would I mind cutting my nose off to spite my face. I would.
When UKIP begin to present serious policies with a chance of success and more importantly show they are doing something instead of standing back and criticising others you may persuade. But frankly if you come on posting drivel expect to be told.
And wrapping yourself in the Union Flag just sounds desperate.
Your tapestry has come unpicked. Quick! Get some darning wool and a darning needle!
Shall drink myself stupid in celebration on May 6th, then drink myself stupid in despair the following day, when the Government gets back in with this toad in charge.
I need BOOZE
how about a nice slice of swiss roll?
We’ll ‘ave none of yer fancy continental shite here thank you.
Bonio I’ve heard of, and also ‘Boney’ (a duck-diseased non-french frenchman), but Bono…?
Boner more like.
Just heard the voice of the “impartial” electorate giving their opinions on 5live. Mainly consisted of “same old Tories” repeated ad infinitum.
get you own blog……
See Ben Bradshaw at it again sez the Beeb supporting conservative and biased against liebour.
on his twatter site according to daily mail.
spin to keep pressure off the BBC for trying to nobble conference coverage.
More appearances for Maguire. Whoopee
I prefer to say “up the chutney” rather than using the phrase “in the bag’
I would prefer not to think of Margaret Beckett’s chemical toilet
Check out the article on women squirting over at cif – even better than Beckett’s doolops.
Speech………….. 4 out of 10
Conference …… 9 out of 10
William Hague .. 9 out of 10
George Osborne.7 out of 10
Chris Grayling…..2 out of 10
Kevin Maguire….. Twat
Personally, I’d give ‘the Speech’ better than a 4.
However, what was interesting and based on a sample of 1 (Mrs It’s all Balls) was that the speech played very well for her as it “discussed the things/values that people really care about”
Now until today the ‘boss’ hasn’t been a great Cameron fan.
Cameron knows he has to win back the female vote lost to smoothy Bliar – maybe he isn’t as green as some think?
Theresa Villiers…10 out of 10. Fancy it rotten.
Good old Blair 2.0
we’ll soon be in power….
Farage has no chance
Cameron is a lot more genuine than Blair. He has more sincerity. Blair had none – he was/is just a ham actor.
I think he was deliberately not trying to sound like Blair. It was Cameron’s least Blair-like conference speech. It wasn’t perfect but I think we are beginning to hear Cameron’s own voice.
The Cameron’s as a couple are completely different to the Blairs.
There is a depth to Cameron that was lacking in Tone and,.. well you only need to compare Samantha to Cherie to form a view of Cherie that is not flattering.
There is a family feel about the Cameron’s that is completely lacking in the Brown’s. The Brown’s are all cold and PR. Let’s face it there is nothing more untouchy, unfeely and wooden than gordon and sarah.
And (although I sound a bit soppy) I think they really love each other.
None of that mechanical ‘power couple’ shit you get from Gordon & Sarah or Tony & Cherie.
Alastair Campbell: “Cameron reminded me of Blair on a bad day”
You Mr Campbell, remind me of a dog turd I carefully step over in order to avoid soiling the sole of my shoe.
That was a great honest speech covering all walks of life – more than GB has ever had to do. Did GB ever have to give a speech for us to vote for him to become PM, No, he ran the other way and is still running. Daves got my vote
It’s not in the bag until someone has checked Dave’s garage:
Maguire typifies NuLab – a bitter, envious shit with no class; whose only claim to balance is that he has a chip on both shoulders.
I see him in the Spikey part at the supermarket:
“Come and get your black bin bags
They’re long and black and slender….”
Maguire was and is mates with sewer life like McBride, says it all.
I heard the entire speech of DC.
While it was upbeat and aiming high, it failed to address the basic problem that the UK Parliament will be totally subservient to the EU and EU laws when and if the Lisbon Treaty is ratified and we UK subjects have never been allowed to vote on the matter and DC and his new government will not give us a vote on the matter.
“If all else fails, the pro-Treaty members of the Czech parliament may even try to impeach Mr. Klaus, according to the Czech press. It is highly unlikely, however, that they would get the required majority for such a dramatic move. Moreover, the Czech constitution states that the president can only be impeached if he commits high treason against Czech independence, territorial integrity and democratic order. Yet those are precisely the values that Mr. Klaus’s opposition to the Lisbon Treaty aims to protect. ”
High treason is still on the statute books in the UK.
Local accountability please for these who have committed treason in the UK and voted for the Lisbon Treaty.
How can it be treason? The legislation for ratification has received the Royal Assent. To suggest resistance to the Royal Assent is treasonable. That is the constitution of the United Kingdom ofwhich the British are SUBJECTS. Britons are not CITIZENS. (More’s the pity because they mistakenly believe that they are..too much American TV perhaps!)
>That is the constitution of the United Kingdom ofwhich the British are SUBJECTS
er yes I know that we are subjects, which is why I used the word “subjects” when I wrote “we UK subjects have never been allowed to vote on the matter and DC and his new government will not give us a vote on the matter”
er what written constitution? Do please let me have full details of this, since I don’t think the UK has a written constitution.
The fact that the ratification has received the Royal Assent is in fact a treasonable act in itself. Oh yes that is possible and is the case here.
so if that’s the case will UKIP be seeking an arrest warrant for her Maj ?
no, just an arrest for call me Dave Heath for being a pathetic wimp and not holding a Lisbon Referndum
so fuck all as usual.
I must admit I hadn’t realised how bankrupt of ideas UKIP actually was.
But no arrest for the people scum that signed it ZANULABOUR!!!!
Hang on! All the posts have defaulted it italics!
Just remember how Thatcher won against Kinnock when everyone, and I mean everyone, thought Kinnock would win it because Maggie was doing such a shit job!
Well I wouldn’t go so far as to sing “I’m a believer” but it was a speech containing some good policy.
Bringing in Dannatt and saying he will form a War Cabinet if he’s elected – At long last a proposal to put the troops first!!
Dannat won’t be getting elected anytime soon
We don’t need him elected.
What is needed is an army man with frontline experience of Afghanistan, who is no-one’s poodle, who has proved his credentials of fighting first for the welfare of his troops. Dannatt will fight tooth and nail for those troops in a Tory War Cabinet. If Cameron gets elected the troops will at last have a voice at the heart of government.
What have the troops got at the moment? aintbustinagut, kevan and ffoolkes(when he’s not propping up a bar.)
Dannatt could be like a loose cannon if he doesn’t get his way
Although his revenge of purging the civvies in the MoD might just allow a large smirk to cross his face
Yes! I hope he is a loose cannon.
The voice for the troops not a voice for the Tories. And I think he will be.
Glad to see that the blowhard JGM2 hasn’t put in an appearance.
He’s probably away looking up more ways to insult former scottish allies who are now pissed of with his bigotry and see him for what he is.
I thought that, South of Hadrian’s Wall, the expression was ‘pissed off’ not “pissed of”.
A YouGov survey shows that Cameron’s speech was a huge hit with the voters
Growing rumours about an internal Labour Party challenge to Brown before Xmas
Brown MUST stay in position to face the public firing squads on election day.
He can’t be allowed to weasle out on medical grounds.
Considering that 78% said they were going to vote Conservative before the speech and 84% afterwards hardly seismic shift
I was one who actually took part and I received a E Mail last week from YouGov(as I’m on their voter panel)to take part in survey after Brown’s Speech and then subsequently whether I would be willing to take part in another survey to be held immediately after Cameron’s Speech.YouGov would send me a link and I had 10 minutes to respond.The questions were roughly Who would you vote for in a General Election ? Do you think Cameron is doing good/bad job etcHow do you rate Camerons Speech ranges Excellent to Crap and Was he right to mention his son Ivan ? As only 765 people took part(ie. saddos like me who a) watched Cameron’s Speech b)then took part in the poll.
So much as I actually want Cameron to beat Brown I don’t think this indicates anything much in the way of predicting the election result rather that 78% of people voting Tory prior to speech had increased to 84% after speech.Still it get’s income for YouGov and enables Sky to headline the result as positive for Cameron although the value of the result is largely worthless given the small sample and the majority who were already indicating support for the Conservatives ahead of the survey
Saw a internet poll an hour after the speech,very close to the one you have mentioned.
The question asked was,Who would you vote for,result was 78.3% for Cameron.
Much better than I expected, and in parts impressive. I think there is at least some hope.
Tory lead back down to single figures. It’s a shame they can’t have a conference every week.
Last poll taken before Cameron’s speech.
Let’s see how things poll out over the next few days. I fancy Cameron will get the’bounce’ that gordon failed to get at the end of the Labour Conference.
Oh dear …. what a shame…. never mind….
errrr… no thought not
that was for jimmy
Well, I don’t think it’s ‘in the bag’ – still too many voters who a hatred for the Conservatives (based on misinformation, prejudice and ignorance).
If we end up with Labour re-elected, I really fear for this country. In addition to the terminal collapse of the economy, we would also see a new wave of authoritarian legislation. The Left will have seen how powerful the Internet has been for the free-thinking, the liberal and libertarian, so I’d expect to see a lot of repressive laws and regulations brought in targeting blogs like this. Labour really want us to be like China.
I aggree with your vision of the UK if New Labour get re-elected. I voted for New Labour in 1997, it didn’t take long before I was cursing my own stupidity, specifically when we heard about the Ecclestone bribe, and realised that Blair was just bent as every other politician.
I think many of us will be very reluctant to vote conservative, not becasue of misinformation, prejudice and ignorance. It is because we well rember the “brown envelopes” and cash for questions that marked the last period of Conservative rule.
The Conservatives have been hopless in opposition, being both ineffective and foolishly voting in favour of the Iraq war. Indeed some Tories still think it was a good idea.
Just how many Conservative MPs has Cameron sacked as a result of the expenses scandal?
I shall be looking very closely at the independents come the election. Nick Griffin will be standing in this constituency, he won’t be getting my vote, but thanks to New Labour and a weak opposition, he is in with a chance.
My old father voted for Labour in 1945. Never forgave himself for the rest of his life. Us under twentyones, quite properly, didn’t have a vote of course.
Please, voting for the Iraq war is not an issue, the “evidence” was presented. The only target is the ones that created/paid for the evidence.
“the “evidence” is precisely the point, hundreds of thousands of people turned out to proclaim the “evidence” was faked. They were right. How so then, that the Conservatives, with a all the resources at their disposal could not have know the truth?
That is the key. People know things, but politicians only read reports.
The key to a good politician is to be able to see a report and recognise the gain involved in its writing.
That is why politicians have constituencies. Unlike my MP, they are supposed to listen to the people’s real stories. However, when it comes to foreign issues they have no direct people to talk to.
Cameron showed today that individual stories do get through to him, and for that he gets a gold star.
(That is also why I like Hugh Sykes as a reporter. He finds real people examples.)
347 – and read online about The Guardian Lies and Neil Hamilton’s ‘Brown Envelopes’.
Skippy, you make fair points. A lot of people were disillusioned with the Conservatives by ’97, but it was still a fairly competent government (compared to what followed).
Labour have had similar cases of dodginess. The corruption of certain Tory MPs was not endemic to the party, it wasn’t John Majors’s policy. If we assume both parties are ‘equal’ on this, then looking at Labour policies, they have been seriously damaging to the UK.
In respect of Iraq, I was in favour. Like a fool I believed the PM had intelligence and ‘reasons’ we were not party too. Many MPs and public of all parties had the same trust. We were sadly deceived.
While certain smaller parties and independents may be attractive on certain points, they tend to be focused on single issues; as they will never form a government they are inevitably futile.
Many people have positve reasons to vote for other parties, and good for them, we need this for democracy and a healthy pluralistic society. However, a lot of anti-Tory sentiment is illogical, kneejerk and prejudiced.
couple of grand….not right absolutely totally agree. They were duly hung in public and they were.
Sadly I didn’t hear Dave say, ‘me chums I am gonna fooking smash that shower of shyte at the BBC’
Obviously that is a policy which he will introduce once he is in Government, especially the banning from all media of Scotch mafiosi, smug, gobshyte Nicky Campbell
“Scotch” is a drink you ill educated ignorant tosser ! The word you are looking for is Scottish. Dont they teach you anything in looserville High ?
Cameron forgot to say that he would stop the Africanisation of Great Britain. Apart from that he did pretty well.
on that he also ommitted to say he would stop the I*lamisation of the country.
At 2.7% of the current population – they’ve got a long way to go.
At the moment the greatest risk to this country is from the trotskyites and marxists that we have in government.
Nell you really need to gen up on demographics and non linear growth curves.
TalkSport Radio: “Labour rebels to challenge Brown’s leadership upon return of Parliament”
Do they seriosly think it will make a scrap of difference?
Mind you, it’ll give us all some really good entertainment.
Who are they going to replace him with ? Postman pat? Edballs? harpy harriett?militwit?
As you say Eng it might be amusing to watch.
So they have no policies for the Queen’s speech then
All out politicking until the election then
All out panicking until the election’s more like it.
Anyone watch Piers Morgan putting the boot into the Blairs showing off Cliff’s Barbados villa?
Sir Cliff: “Well I saw Tony on tv 4 months after the Iraq war started and noticed how stressed and tired he looked [Editor's note: not dead like quite a few were by then] and offered him my villa [infinity pool, hot and cold running servants, costs £10k per week but free to their majesties] for a month in August to recover.”
The Conservatives may well be confident of victory – but are they confident of putting this country right ?
Putting the country right ain’t the point of being elected – and Cameron has pulled so many policies out of the hat recently that I can only conclude he is lying. He’s certainly being evasive over Lisbon. So don’t give them your vote.
There is nothing they can do for Britain now. The only satisfaction you can have is to use the one last chance you have to stick two fingers up at the political establishment that let you down – all of them.
I don’t want a vote. I want a fucking gun.
Top stuff from our next Prime Minister! Good attacks on Labour’s big government and social failures. He seemed persuasive when he argued that Labour are the nasty party who have let down the poor and vulnerable. Very good line about the attorney general: “With laws so bureaucratic and complicated even their own Attorney General can’t obey them.” My favourite line was about discipline in schools “We’ve got to stop treating children like adults and adults like children.”
Family, Community, Country! Themes to remind everyone what’s we’ve lost under Labour. Bring on the Cameron Conservative Government!
Yeah, but the problem’s that we all know perfectly well he’s down-playing it, that everyone has been told not to be triumphalist, to act as if it isn’t in the bag. So it’s just more lies, really.
That’s what Labour have done, twist every decent and realistic motivation into the opposite of what it is.
It’s not false modesty or lies! Cameron’s only polling 12 points ahead, he knows he has to have a majority of 136 seats to be safe from a Lib/Lab pact with an inbuilt 42 seat majority for Labour.
Sir Michael White rates Cameron’s speech 6/10:
Was he awake for it?
Dont tell me whitewash was awake and heard it.
And I thought that useless tosser with nothing going for him in life had actually died yesterday at the conference in that chair.
Oh well,just another one that needs a plot reserved in the Great Labour Graveyard – internment booked for next May.
I just e-mailed him.
“Michael old mate
You should have done your tie up when you woke up after David Cameron’s speech and did your piece into your phonecam”
Surely the glaringly obvious way ahead for Cameron is to promise a referendum come what may. Ok, it won’t, by definition, be a referendum if the treaty has been ratified, so let’s calll it a consultation. There are three possible outcomes.
If the treaty is still unratified and the vote is to reject the treaty, then we can unratify it.
If the treaty is ratified and the vote is to reject the treaty, then Cameron will at least have a mandate to repatriate powers to Parliament. If success in this regard is not forthcoming, then clearly another referendum can be called for “in or out” of the EU.
If the treaty has been ratified, and the vote is to accept the treaty, then Cameron doen’t have to do anything. The electorate are clearly happy.
If the treaty is ratified then it can be un-ratified by our sovereign parliament.
Once it’s ratified parliament is no longer sovereign and cannot do anything. That is just the point. Once it is ratified the only way is to accept it or get out all together. I don’t give much for Cameron’s chances of the re-patriation of powers. What’s in it for Brussel, they’ll just tell him to f*** off.
I would have thought Brown’s ratification was illegal, and if it wasn’t it should be. However legal opinion is otherwise, so no avenue of escape there.
Can you see the French acting the same way if they were in our position?
Neither can I.
What they can do we can as well – l’exception britannique
It just requires courage – the bottler didn’t have it
The bottler could have kept the promise of a referendum, that would have required no courage at all. In fact if he un-ratified it now, he might actually stand a chance of victory. He definitely doesn’t have the bottle for that And no, I can’t see the French putting up with this nosense.
we’re in Europe so we have to play by European rules. Cheat , lie and backstab like fuck to get what you want. Unfortunately our representatives don’t play by the same rules as everyone else.
Well our footballers have had to learn to dive and feign injury, so our politicians can learn to do things Euro style too.
French approach is simple the rules are for restraining other people and don’t apply to us. It’s how they usually get their way.
You might not like them but you do respect them.
The French President can act as the French Constitution takes priority over Brussels (Lisbon cannot overide an existing law) , same with the German Basic Law as reinforced by the German Constitutional Court. No doubt the Czech Courts will take a similar view in the course of the next few months.
sort says we should have a referendum to put a similar protection in place. Assuming the vote is yes it would be hard for Eurocrats to oppose ( though the french would just for the sake of it ). Of course given the way the “UK constitution” has been trashed over the last 12 years, we increasingly need a written constitution to clarify our position vis a vis oor own politicians.
Should that have been ” Im a deciever” by the Monkeys
I cant even be arsed voting for that party that starts with a B and ends with a P
Chumps all of them
Nice to see that they had a token Nignog behind Cameroon, probably there to do a spot of shoe buffing
Every day the Breast of Clerkenwell pops up to remind us just what a tit with his rabid dribblings.
I think my conclusion about Dave and his speech is that he tried to differentiate the two parties and their supporters. In the main, New Liars and their supporters think that the World owes them a living, Tories know that in the real World no-one owes them a living. The choice between the Nanny State and individual freedom.
I also realised, listening to him, just how close this vile mob of International Socialists have come to subverting the UK and it’s population forever, imposing their vision of a society where individual values count for nothing.
Hopefully the games up.
The one thing that has been completely subverted by the labour mob has been the Family.
Family pride, Family Units, Family responsibility, looking after our own, encouraging our kids to do the very best they can in life. Labour has rubbished all that.
Can Cameron bring back the Family ethos ? It’s a hell of a mountain to climb.
It’s a certainty that Labour won’t and can’t do it.
From the outset of socialism, the family has been suspect to them. The evidence is to be seen wherever the mind set has managed to lie its way into power. Why?
Isolated and screwed up folk look to their socialist masters as mother and father and become their dependents.
Families are to be destroyed as competition.
The Recession and terrible state of Britain is clearly all the fault of Lesbians.
Ask Old Holbonkers.
He is obsessed by them and their strange subversive activities.
It’s not our fault!
Well,imagine being in the Brown/Harman/Balls family!!
No wonder they don’t do family in Labour.
“Eat up your crunchy wind-turbine muesli or you’ll get an Asbo from Daddy and Uncle Gordon… mummy has to get to the BBC to lie her face off and if she’s late, she’ll have to tell the driver to break the speed limit. Auntie Hattie says that it’s ok but I haven’t got her front.
No not the Armani trainers today, we’re supposed to look poor this week what with the tory conference and all. Have you got Uncle Jamie’s 15 4-course packed lunch? Yes I know… it’s a very noisy helicopter, but Uncle Jamie doesn’t want to pay the Congestion Charge.”
That game will be up when we get out of the eu only – they make the rules.
What do you think might happen if we said to EUSSR we are paying nothing else until we see the accounts audited and signed off in a proper manner.
I suppose they could say we will fine you,so what tell them to bugger off,next move we will take you to court again so what,tell us just who are you going to jail.
Our bottom line is audit the accounts so we can see what is going on and what has gone on and then if all is above board we will resume our payments provided we have clear ongoing transparency.
America has done much the same thing with the UN hasn’t it?
Yup I think that’s plan B.
Oh I thought Gorgon was the more wonderful!
Oh – his VOICE, – it is so strong and goes so deep into my consciousness!
The Breadth of analYSIS – and the vigour of his delivery!
The working over that he gives to every little crevice of detail!
Oh . . oh . . . OH! . . I’m starting to go . . . no . . don’t help me! . . . let me suffer the sweet delirium and pain of giving my self to HIM.
I think I’m going into status polytwadulicus again . . . . I must lie down to savour this.
I see on sky news that Gordo spoke to Obama about Afghanistan. Anyone would think it was leaked at this time on purpose.
No doubt gordon telephoned Omaha because it’s an absolute certainty that Omaha would never have found the time to telephone gordon.
And if gordon thinks that little uninteresting press release will steal him tomorrow’s headlines ahead of Cameron’s speech then he’s even more deluded than I gave him credit for.
TCH!!!! Having saved the World several times, Arf-Gorni-stan ain’t nuffin ter me!!
Just watch AlJaBeeba – they’ll confirm that for you.
has Alki Ada got over her troubles yet?
Gordon? Gordon Who?
I’m sure we’ll be busier than ever . . giving advice . . . checking up on people as they leave the supermakets . . . going through their shopping bags and trolleys for alchohol . . . and fat . . and salt . . . and ordering them to come to ed-yer-cay-shun-orl lect-chars ‘n that.
and scaring people with stories of what will happen to sheeple if they don’t listen to us . . and attending scaremongering press conferences . . I can hardly wait.
And then the spankings . . . all those naughty people will have to be punished . . . bending over . . . on their bare botty . . . with their trousers pulled RIGHT DOWN to the ground!
Oh I can hardly wait!!!!
Have you met Thick as Thieves, by any chance?
All puts me in mind of a certain rally that took place in Sheffield in April 1992…
Now who was the chap in charge at the time…? Neil somoene, wasn’t it?
Neil Kinnock you mean. Is that not the same man who was wheeled out during the Labour party conference to remind everyone they are a bunch of losers? He’s a millionaire now I believe as a result of the EU gravy train ,him and his wife who I understand is in the cabinet though not as an elected member but as a member of Labours new aristocracy. That one ?
Him: face like a chicken
Her: face like a vulture.
Labour now seems to be looking like a wounded and arthritic Diplodocus stuck in mud.
Be fair. It’s not looking THAT healthy.
………welcome to the Bob harris show
tonight we’re gonna play some Hank Williams
“You’re Cheatin’ Heart”
I wrote my last one after the one previous but the one previous showed up above unnumbered whilst the one I just wrote ended up with a number. Now, that’s what I call progress….
John Fogerty come on down, “when will I be loved”……….
Now I am confused
Johny Cash ‘Folsam Prison Blues’
by the way that was Bruce Springsteen joining John Fogarty on that old Everley Brothers record, also recorded by Linda Ronstadt ………whisper it gently
Entered “2009 Conservative Party Conference” in the Youtube search box to find about half the results involve UKIP !
Is the Czech PM the only Pariotic leader in the whole of Europe?
One thing that is for sure is that he will never be given a seat on the EU gravy train.
Come on Dave throw your ticket in the gutter too. In the gutter is where they belong.
Or is Dave hedging his bets knowing full well that the Liberals will never help him form a government if he does the right thing and brings the UK back to a trading partner in Europe and not a political doormat?
Dave is trying to be all things to all people. In practice this does not work, it sounds good but it does not work.
Why on earth a UK politician would want to hand most of his powers over to an external parliament beggars belief, except we can see that all UK politicians who have handed that power over have been more than handsomely rewarded.
I just wish Dave had the backbone to side with the honourable Czech PM.
the Czech PM is Jan Fisher – he’s the bloke who called in the EU recently to say he would put pressure on Vaclav Klaus.
Vaclav Klaus is the Czech President who is currently holding up the signing of the treaty. He was contacted by Cameron to see what could be done. ( read Dan Hannan ).
I haven’t heard of any UKIP contact to Vaclav Klaus.
A bit too much like work I suppose.
Resergmess-again you talk bollox. UKIP-Nigel farage has talked to president Klaus. There is video of him at the castle
so what did he say at the Hradcany and when did they meet ?
has he got Klaus to hold the the line ?
or was it just more talk ?
NB repiled to your earlier points but being modded
the Czech Vaclav Klaus has already stated that the UK is making a mistake if it relies on him to hold up the referendum indefinitely
he’s going to cave and it might even be as early as October the 29-30th
tories don’t care about europe running the UK any more
but they might when President Blair starts to bend Dave over and tells him what he can and can’t do under lisbon
This just gets better.
Klaus rightly pointed out that the british should have done more to help themselves.
UKIP appear to want to blame everyone but themselves. It’s clear that since the treaty first emerged UKIP have been ineffective. No protests, no campaigns, no petitions – zilch, nada, nichts.
Time for someone else to be given a chance.
Cameron joined forces with Labour to destroy UKIP. As part of their joint attack Cameron called UKIP MEPs Fruitcakes, Nutters and racists.
Cameron is quite happy to try and sleaze patriots. DO NOT TRUST HIM!!!
people so patriotic they can’t get off their arses and organise a national petition.
UKIP campaigned in Ireland.
call me Dave didn’t and call me Dave won’t hold a referendum on lisbon
UKIP aren’t about to spin like a top pretending that lisbon isn’t the most fundamental change and power grab in the EU for decades, or that not holding a referendum and meekly accepting lisbon like Ken Clarke wants isn’t cowardice of the highest order
maybe an EU Super-state under President Blair is your and Ken Clarke’s idea of things ‘just getting better’, but I think you’ll find most real conservaties are biding their time and will take care of call me Dave if lisbon goes through and he bottles a referendum or tries to pretend Europe isn’t an issue
a strong leader would abrogate this filthy lisbon rubbish in a heartbeat
call me Dave doesn’t have the guts
Aside from the fact that he has no remit to do so – not being an MEP whereas Farage is – I suspect an english Tory campaigning in Ireland would be counter productive. Also having followed the Irish campaigns, your contribution wasn’t exactly decisive.
More importantly you highlight yet again how little you have done in the UK on a UK issue. No doubt the fun of staying Dublin was a charming day out, but it only highlight Vaclav Klaus point, that those who are yelling loudest have done bugger all themselves.
Once again, the majority of bloggers on this site are eurosceptics, can you only preach to the converted. Why aren’t you putting your view to the undecided or your opponents.
Is it too much like hard work or are you afraid the LibDems might call you rude names ?
But still come what MAY 16th No referendum=No tory/lib/lab vote and in turn a hung parliament…. im sorry resurgemus but the tory’s need ukip more the ukip needs the tory’s without us you lose the GE end off/gameover/fuxxed
There was nothing in the speech remotely like David Steele’s 1981 “Go back to your constituencies and prepare for government.”
The old Jokes are the best!
Sadly the polls are crap tonight. Presume it’s because turkeys really don’t vote for christmas. But we knew that.
What do you think? After 2010 it could be a couple of years of mayhem and anarchy with ZNL and the LibDums fighting for the wheel and a bail out by the IMF before the tories get another chance.
You can forget Lisbon by then. We’ll all be too busy knocking zombies off our property with shovels and taking turns keeping watch.
I’m saving a specially big shovel for the first UKIP zombie I see. Sadly.
Anyway need a drink. Cheer us up on Friday, Guido. And I don’t mean a cartoon.
No, html ignored.
I think so.
All the conferences were just plain boring…
IN A NUTSHELL:
Labour have cemented their backing of McFuckwit, which is all we needed to know: Labour is completely fucked (and the PPL’s members are “all in this together!”). All thanks to Mandy!
Clegg the weasel will spend the rest this parliament trying to keep alive the prospect of desperate call from Mandy next summer.
The rest of the country will now have to wait patiently while the Prime Mentalist rides the gift-horse Blair bestowed on him (i.e. the Labour Party AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE U.K.) into the ground.
Meanwhile, let’s hope we can still have some fun when Dave sticks it to him on Wednesday concerning his lying to the House about Labour’s cuts.
Labour will devour itself now ! Let the games begin.
Hey come on, let’s get down …..
Does anybody really miss ‘Top of the Pops?’
let me find my next track …. nanci Griffith, ‘From a Distance’ … roll …..
Poor dull and dismal and that wasn’t the weather in Mancs!
Hello? . . . hello? . . . I’m busy . . go away!!
Ah, there you are Mrs Tripebag.
You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you may later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence.
Do you understand?
On a point of interest anyone heard that Gorgon two days ago gave the Queen of Jordan 1 billion for her charity,hope its hearsay but its in London Evening Standard readers comment on Cameron speech.
If correct the man is a raving lunatic and needs sectioning.
He keeps trying but poor little call me Dave is still only a lightweight copy of Blair.
At least the original Blair will be there to give Heir-to-Blair-Cameron lessons in how to do meaningless spin and vacuous policy and belief free public releations properly as the President of the EU.
come up with something original
though I realise that’s asking quite a lot
Shame you can’t refute it isn’t it ?
It’s complete donkey wank.
There’s blog comments often under Hannan’s DT blog which don’t sound unlike yours resurgemus. You should get together maybe?
I’m already married.
Good to hear the considered views of a Cameroonian spad slavishly following the Party line. Donkey Wank indeed.
Cameron and Osbourne have followed the Blair playbook TO THE LETTER.
From the fake chummy casual kitchen table chats to his adoption of the Blair tactic of matching spending (until the Bankers and Brown fucked the economy) He is Blair 2.0 with as much substance as a blamanche like his role model.
Youo have no idea how amusing it will be to see the two Blairs fighting it out over Europe as Dave is forced to admit he has sold the eurosceptics a pig in a poke just to silence them and Blair lords it over him because Lisbon gives him that power.
Those who knew Blair was a policy free public relations vacuum long before he was elected aren’t fooled for a second by this second coming no matter how much his little spinners bleat otherwise.
Tough on PR tough on the causes of PR.
They’ve got to try, but Dave will lose without committing to a referendum, and he deserves to as lose too!
No Referendum, no Vote.
Cameron said this
“Option one: we can just default on the debt. Not pay it. Other countries have done that in the past. But I don’t think anyone in this country wants to go down that road.
Cameron is partially correct. What he meant to say was that he believed no one in a position to make such a decision would DARE to go down such a road. Which is of course not at all the same thing.
Atlas Shrugged, your posting is uncharacteristically short and succinct and all the better for it. Your point is well made and of course correct. There are people in this country who would galdly default on debts be it National or otherwise.
Did he say that? dangerous territory, If it came down to defaulting you would just do it, but you wouldn’t advertise the possibility of this beforehand. £ plummeting again.
If the return needed to sell gilts on the open market went up to, say 10% resulting in more money being spent on interest payments than is spent on the NHS, and Brown had the option of either not paying nursesa and doctors or not paying the interest to the Chinese Central Bank, what would our wonderful leader do?
Answers on a postcard please to….
I’ll give you a hint…
If you’re a nurse make sure you have savings, ‘cos you might have to live without pay for a while…
The parties are fronts for the rent-seekers who own us.
Fuck off you negative wankers
Daves hair looked great (he shares a colourist with Osporn)
Unlike Labour Conservatives do not use the bog as a hair washing aid.
Plus Dave had a Black head on his right shoulder and a Woman’s head on his left. This proves that Dave is all inclusive. Except for david Davis and Eurosceptics that os.
Yeah, yeah Breast. I’m beginning to wonder if you’re right or left – I suspect you’re a right tit.
David Cameron will freeze pay.
David Cameron will link the state pension to pay.
So how’s Dave helping pensioners as food and fuel bills gets ever dearer?
Well you obviously are not a pensioner.
How has gordon helped us pensioners?
Our pensions have been raided. Our investments are bringing in no interest. We are paying more taxes now than we ever did and most of them are stealth taxes that gordon thought he could hide. We are having to buy in private healthcare because the local NHS is so overburdened with backroom managers’ salaries it can’t afford frontline staff. Food bills have risen dramatically this year UNDER GORDON.
And fuel and fuel bills are cheaper under gordon are they? Petrol at the moment 106p per litre?
At last we have a chance to install a right wing slaphead into Number 10 as our glorious leader
Well fake tuscan tone (which is of course what tony was all along) talking of glorious leaders ?
gordon fills us full of ‘joy and confidence’ doesn’t he? telephoning omaha today in order to issue a press release to say that he has spoken with the great man. I bet Omaha was absolutely ‘chuffed’ to take that call.
bob aintbustinagut and postman pat tried swanning around afghanistan only to find the troops are finally prepared to speak their mind and give these failed ministers a rough ride. Pity they didn’t tip them out of a borrowed american helicopter into taliban land.
And what is gordon’s economic strategy at the moment? – Oh it hasn’t changed. It’s still ‘spend spend spend’ mostly on employing more non-jobs in government.
bbc 24 wtf
I wouldn’t even wipe my arse on Gordon Brown’s face after a visit to a Brummie Indian restaurant which won a Pilton Down chemical laboratory botulism prize – Brown is now so finished and useless,so utterly devoid of any purpose other than as to use his name as a description of something that is ruined and fraudulent.
Bit like “we are fucked” will be replaced by;
“We are Browned”
Indeed, “we are Browned orf” as Lillibet remarked to Phil the other day…
17 second uncontrollable laugh.
Friday morning thanks
Some Tory shadow cadinet minister name checked in the speech and can pencil thier names into a Cameron Cabinet: William Hague, Liam Fox, Iain Duncan Smith, George Osborne, Theresa May, Michael Gove.
Some given damp praise (i.e. a message to raise their game): Ken Clarke, Erik Pickles, Chris Grayling, Dominc Grieve, Andrew Lansley.
Other not mentioned because perhaps they aren’t wanted: Caroline Spelman, Theresa Villiers, Nick Herbert, Philip Hammond, Jeremy Hunt, Andrew Mitchel
So what happened to Dave’s policies of Hugging Hoodies, Installing chimney windmills, Cast Iron guarantee of an EU referendum and he could work with David Davis?
he gave them all to Kilroy-Silk
post something sensible for a change
squeak squeak squeak, don’t hurt us Ken Clarke, squeak
Gordon is pledging £1billion of British taxpayers money EVERY YEAR to world education as he rubs shoulders with celebrities.
Spend Spend Spend.
Now obvious that Gordon fell into Conservative trap by admitting that he has to cut. Tories constantly hammered this home @ PMQs, commentators criticised. This week, fruits picked by Tories.
Not sure about Dannat. All governments have current top brass advising them why put military pensioner on payroll other than short term political leverage?
Sorry?!! gordon is admitting with this £1billion a year announcement that he is cutting??!
Are you EdB psyched out on a power trip?????? Or more likely doing what labour do ….Labour, Lie and Smear
No doubt he thought, in his deluded state, that this headline would rob Cameron of media attention during Tory conference week.
I Think I’m right in saying that neither the grauniad or maguire have attempted to highlight it is knowing what a vote loser it is.
Once again Labour have reduced the UK to the sick man of Europe and yet again we have to put our faith in the only show in town, the Conservatives, to sort the mess out – Just like Mary Poppins; David Cameron has to take over the show and dish out a very bitter medicine if the patient is to be saved. Perhaps they could re-release the song
“A spoon full of sugar helps the ‘bitter’ medicine go down”
so long as the medicine is evenly spread. I don’t recall too many working people creating the enormous debt we have yet we are the ones who are footing the bill!
what are the bankers paying? how are MPs contributing to all this debt?
Ah they’re the creative ones aren’t they!!
why should I pay a pennty towards this debt when I didn’t create it in the first place???
Answers on a postage stamp fuckers
Because you’re owned by the rent-seekers.
Of course Brown’s ratification is illegal. You can’t sell off a free people – and we are a free people. We have executed or booted out kings before now because they threatened our liberty. We are not bound by this treasonous treaty.
However, no chance of Cameron giving us a referendum after ratification – and can someone remind me has he ever said he opposes the Treaty? I can’t recall!
> You can’t sell off a free people
and we’re not a free people.
Candid Cameron and Honest Osborne – well, I’ll vote for them.
Bloody frightening. The Blair and Heir project is now back on track.
There was nothing remotely like bliar in Cameron’s speech.
Cameron talks of Family with emotion. Bliar/Cherie and gordon/sarah have no understanding of such a thing. They are cold, unfeeling PR people.
Cameron talks of our troops in Afghanistan with passion – aintbustinagut, kevan, foolkes and gordon? They don’t give a toss!!!
We’re all in this together
No, that doesn’t sound like a toecurling soundbite even Blair would laugh at
I reckon this thread is fucked. It makes less sense than they normally do.
As a labourite you mean? You don’t like what you’re hearing?
Do what gordon has done.
Crawl under under your desk and tell yourself ” I am the most loved man in England and next year I shall be elected for the first time in my life with a landslide vote of confidence”
Err No Nell I think the thread is fucked. There is no sense to it anynore the numbers if there are numbers are fucked and the replies do not match the questions. The thread is fucked nowt to do with politix.
poor little nell
her kneejerk trolling of anything that looks remotely anti-cameron of slightly critical of the tories has reached deranged proportions
Yes, Broon is a fuckwit but one of the reasons he’s a fuckwit is because he’s so thin-skinned and cannot take criticism.
just like you nell
why not fuck off to Conservativehome where you’re clearly more suited
No thank you. I’m perfectly at home here.
Italics are for poofs.
Indeed they are…
Everbody around the great clunking Mentalist knows that the game is up.
In 6 months time he will be ironing his underpants each morning whilst listening to peoples voice mail messages.
“Hullo Obama its Gordon”
“HULLO Pizza Hut its Gordon”
“HULLO Pizza Hut its Gordon”
Gordon: “Hello Samaritans, it’s Gordon”
Samaritans: “Go on! Do it! Jump, you fekker!”
Guido, you’re getting lazy; don’t sit on your laurels – your coverage of Tory conference was below standard
And why not – at least we can look at someone who isn’t the village idiot from the manse for once.
I’m fed up with the ugly mob we have to pay now; bring on the dancing girls…
Tories – remember Pillock!
Pillock = gordon?
QT if anyone gives a toss: Yvette Cooper, George Osborne, Sarah Teather, Sir Stuart Rose and Ian Hislop.
Should be a good one. Great panel…
Ian cracks me up. Just looking at him sets me off.
50-50 on the QT clapometer this evening. And all a bit limp-wristed. I think it’s finally sinking in that we’re totally up shit creek whoever gets in.
As long as, when their pencil is hovering over the ballot paper, they don’t forget which bunch of incompetent Labour jackasses got us into the shit then I’ll take my chances after the election.
I have to say that Osborne is a man with the greatest self-restraint that he can resist the urge to reach across the table and punch that butter-wouldn’t-melt-in-her-crotch, lying bitch Yvette Cooper’s fucking lights out.
And to listen to jackass members of the audience claiming that the public sector shouldn’t take a pay freeze because (in their opinion) they didn’t get us into this crisis when it’s a fucking 90bn shortfall in paying the bastards that has well and truly nailed us in our economic coffin just gives me the dry heaves. This fucking idiots do actually believe that. They’re not just Labour plants (OK – they might be) they actually believe that the private sector is delibrately witholding 90bn quid a year just to fucking spite them.
Yeah teachers, nurses, doctors and 5-a-day co-ordinators. We’re all delibrately getting ourselves made unemployed and taking paycuts just to see the look on your fucking faces when you get a pay freeze.
Oh do grow up and stop generalising. ‘Public sector’ blah blah blah. I’m public sector. A teacher. I’d accept a pay freeze and if the the staff room at my (secondary) school is anything to go by everyone else feels the same. I (as I’ve said before) have never – never – heard a teacher moan about their pay. Where the unions get it from I don’t know but probably they discuss a load of stuff at union conferences but nothing else gets mentioned in the MSM.
I work a 50-60 hour fucking week. And 5/6 hours a day of that in a classroom full of up to 32 kids. That’s the equivalent of three times that in a fucking office (and I know because I’ve done both – and was paid more when in the office. I quit to do something I thought was more worthwhile). Plus about a third of our ‘big’ holidays. I worked out I get less holiday than the average Joe. Not all teachers work as hard and some are shit and I’m big enough to say so. I rarely get the chance to rabbit on here every day like some of you do, so I assume you’re retired or self-employed or (sorry if so) out of work.
I’m a fucking good teacher and won’t let my standards drop to the level of our ‘down the pan’ society and I’m respected by students (despite our tough catchment), parents (ditto) and other staff.
I get shit from kids, parents, management (mainly for my principled stance on standards) and tough it out, remaining ‘professional’ when all I really want to do is punch them in the face.
What I don’t need is shit from you.
If we have it so easy, go into teaching. You come in in droves in a recession, so don’t kid me you have an issue with it being a haven for those who can’t hack it elsewhere. Most of you don’t last more than a year.
Now do fuck off.
jgm2, you’re the type of guy I could do business with! Class post.
Help me out here Dack Blog. Should that be “I’m a fucking good teacher”, or “I’m a good fucking teacher” Grammar is not my strong point.
Well said JGM, exactly what I’m sure half the country was thinking!!
I’m not just good, rick. I’m fucking good. It’s a comment on a blog ffs, not an essay. There are a couple of errors in your post, but pointing them out would make me a pedantic tit. I don’t assume that everyone who makes the odd error hasn’t got a valid point, just as I don’t assume that all public sector workers are wasters (or even Labour supporters – I’m not).
Why don’t you change your union then?
My sister is having to pay a private crammar just under £30,000 this and next year to get her daughter through what should have been a 2-year A level course in just one…
The girl went to the local state 6th form college and only had 6 hours’ lessons a week, with frequent disruption and change to schedules. One day when just she and another pupil turned up fot a class, they waited for the teacher who was 1/2 and hour late for it, when the teacher arrived, she said “oh there’s only 2 of you so I’m going home again…” She was also bullied by one of the teachers who objected to her double-barrelled surname.
A level results: 60 of the students either didn’t get into the university of their choice or didn’t get a university place at all; highest A level grade achieved in Maths was a ‘C'; every student doing Spanish A level received a ‘U’ because the teacher had been teaching them the wrong syllabus for a year.
I’ve no doubt you are probably a committed teacher, but the headmaster of the crammer told my sister, “If I’ve heard your story once, I’ve heard it a thousand times from the other parents here…” My niece is now doing extremely well there although she’s having to squeeze 2 years’ study into one to get good enough results..
I am sorry about your niece, Susie, as I said when you mentioned her before. The truth is most of the committed teachers have fucked off – I don’t blame them, nor the unions. I blame Government policy… targets, data, league tables that encourage spoonfeeding and downright cheating – and a multitude of other bollocks that take your time from doing what you think may help the students learn. We seem to be expected to spend all our time weighing the pig and none feeding it.
I won’t change my union as they don’t only talk of pay and strikes – that’s just all you get to hear about. My union has been extremely supportive of me in an ongoing battle against management when I said enough’s enough and refused to prioritise bullshit over work I felt was of some benefit to my students.
And don’t expect it to get better when education is ‘privatised’. Those ‘values’ are creeping in already and that’s the root of the problem – under the Tories it will get worse.
I’m just so weary of the view that the public sector is all bad and the private sector the way forward. I could list dozens of example of goods not fit for purpose, shite service -whatever – from private companies. Of course it makes a difference when it’s your money that’s being spent but privatising public services won’t necessarily make them better. Look at the SATS debacle, for one ‘education’ example. Glad as I was to see the back of them, it was a private company that fucked them up. Not that the Government dared come clean. What we need is the best of both worlds, and managed so that the public aren’t ripped off as they have been so far in many cases through PFI.
Like Dave, I have a dream which I hope will come to fruition pretty soon. I want to see Gordon Brown queuing up at the Job Centre.
I’m sure Reagan’s classic first inaugural was in the back of Cameron’s mind.
“In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.”
Wise words indeed. Cameron could do a lot worse than to pay heed…
The Socialists believe too much in class warfare – they waste all their time trying to neuter the cleverest, to divide classes and races, whilst lying about equality.
Where were the government when house prices were rising out of control in 2001?
A big hike in interest rates i.e. 3 PC would have solved that problem – but they fiddled with 0.25 dribs and drabs.
They were drunk with the power of popularity, unable to do anything unpopular. They were making millions in the property boom. To them it was a great wheeze – with an ever expanding government. Who remembers the office of deputy prime minister – what an expensive ego-trip! Now all that’s gone.
Big government – big bucks – and now big bills
At the time I thought it was mere incompetence and recklessness. But as expense-gate has revealed through the many property-dealing, flipping, refurbishing revelations that the corrupt fuckers were wilfully destroying the economy for their own personal profit.
This government destroyed the economy just so that cabinet members – Brown, Blair, Darling et al could build up a fucking property portfolio. Not for them the prudent businessman’s eye for caution ‘what if interest rates go up’?
Fuck no. They knew exactly what was going to happen to interest rates because they were fucking well fixing ‘em. And when the measure they had chosen started to suggest a rise might be in order? They simply changed the criteria. Moved the goal-posts. Hurray, the property boom surges on, the great British public feel rich and borrow hundreds of billions, pissing it all awy on Chinese shit and over-valued houses, the government borrows 50bn in deficit spending and PFI every year on top of all that.
And now seeks to wander abot the TV studios giving it ‘What? Not me guv. Started in America. All the banks fault. Fuck all to do with me.’
Yep. I could puke.
Great man – if only he were leading the US now.
Reagan was keen on defecit spending and increasing the size of the state (despite his words, so be careful what you wish for.
Boris at his best on TV!!! Well worth a look…
Al-Jabeeba Labour Stooge.
Ian Hislop is slaughtering the execrable Yvette Cooper
Enjoyed the “You’re married to an extremely powerful man, did that help you get your job?” immensely. Best I’ve seen of him since he called Paula Yates a trollop on HIGNFY…
Balls-Cooper getting skewered and making a fool of herself on QT.
Whoah! Go Ian.
How Aussie Drs behave
The host should have pointed out to that yank judge that taking the mild piss is not quite the same as lynching hundreds of blacks before an invited audience as the yanks used to do 65 years ago
We have our own indigenous/racial issues here – but this was just fun, and the pc brigade can get fucked.
Yeah. You can get fucked.
Anyway, got to go..
Got this little pubic hair stuck in back of throat…
He was fairly good on Europe- interesting thoughts…
Worth a try.
Yvette Coopers on Q time getting ripped to pieces, very funny.
What benefits did Coops claim? Even the audience are getting stuck in. The Govt didn’t smear Dannatt?
She should have kept her gob shut on that,people will start to check her out.
She’s 40-ish? Could you still claim benefit in the uni hols as recently as that? Funny reaction to Griffin being on next week. A mumbled ‘boooo’ from most and one solitary ‘Yay!’ accompanied by a single clap. Some bloke will be blanked by the rest as they shuffle out in to the (probably) drizzly Manc air.
naw it cant be drizzly cos manchester is in England and according to some dullards on here it only rains in Scotland or Scotchland as the simpleton fuckers who think they are wits like to call the country
That’s why I said it, anon.
Yes, and yes – Something like the (very?) late 80s.
You fucking obsessive jackass. It’s shit in Manchester too. I wouldn’t want to live there. It rains all the time. And it’s shit. And it’s full of fucking jackass socialists. Like fucking Newcastle.
Like fucking Scotland.
Get over it.
And yes, you could claim supplementary benefit in your summer holidays back then. I think you had to be ‘unemployed’ for three weeks or might have been six weeks.
So there’s another ‘loophole’ that has been closed to further flatter Labour’s unemployment stats. I believe this June’s unemployable cohort of 1 million graduates with their useless comedy degree certificates are being hidden from the unemployment statistics until about March by various different delaying tactics. Just in time to really start destroying the unemployment figures. No wonder there’s such a huge rush to hide them all in unpayed ‘internships’ for a few weeks thus re-starting the waiting period before they can sign on all over again.
This whole last year has been an effort by Labour not to begin to address the horrendous problems they have created but to continue to forge down their path of economic recklessness in the hope that when they finally limp, Herbie-like over the finish line in June and the wheels fall off, the bonnet pops open and the whole fucking thing falls apart it will be Cameron standing there with the key in his hand.
And they’ll, without a hint of irony, be shrieking about how Cameron wrecked the fucking thing.
It was great when we were in power and one week later it’s utterly fucked. Nothing to do with us, it’s all Cameron’s fault. And Thatchers. And the banks.
I could puke.
bit early to be that foamy?
Labour closed that loophole did they? Kinnock’s fault was it?
My contempt for this government is not a 9-5 job. Any time a thought of Brown or Labour drifts across my mind my fists clench.
If I have one regret it is that 18 months ago when we sold up in Scotland that we didn’t keep running. It was bad economically then but it is getting worse by the day.
All this borrowing 200bn quid per year is just pain deferred not pain avoided. Quite the opposite. The pain is being cynically made considerably worse purely so that Labour can position themselves for the post election ‘yah-boo-Tory-cuts-Thatcher-baby-eating-strike-fest’ fucking nightmare that they’re baking into the economy.
It’s fucking evil. And it makes me puke to see it happening.
Just thought you might be more chilled out first thing on a friday.
Thats a mighty strong reaction to (1) a small piece of fairly sensible legislation from 1989 (2) daft comparison of scottish/english weather.
jgm2 – “Manchester is shit. I wouldn’t live there.”
A good thing too – Manchester probably wouldn’t like you.
Yes, from time to time it rains in Manchester. One of the reasons for Manchester’s growth in the late 18th and early 19th centuries was that the relatively damp air assisted the cotton spinners. The threads were less inclined to break during spinning in a damp air than in a dry one. Mechanisation of the textile industry brought the machine tool industry (Manchester led the world in this field for half a century), and the rest, as they say, is history.
Speaking from experience (I studied for my degree in Manchester) the people are fine – kind and friendly, with a dry humour. Treat them with respect, and they’ll respect you. Treat them with arrogance, and you’ll get it back.
The west of the country is wetter than the east – the wettest places being the upland areas of England and Wales. That suits me. If you want a green and pleasant land, you have to put up with a bit of irrigation. They do say there’s no such thing as bad weather, just poor clothing.
jgm2 – You don’t like Scotland, you don’t like Manchester, you don’t like public servants, you don’t like the Labour party. The last I can understand, but the others?
Is there anybody or anywhere you do like?
Yes. I like West Sussex. And Hampshire. And Wiltshire. And Kent. And East Sussex although not Hastings cos (can you guess?) it’s shit there.
I like nice warm weather. Anything from 16C – 28C. Failing warmth I’ll take sunshine so a -40C Canadian winter is preferable to a 10C day in miserable drizzly fucking Fife.
I don’t know why folk want to conflate hating the weather with hating all the locals. It’s a bit like somebody saying ‘I hate West Sussex ‘cos it’s too hot’ or ‘too flat’ or ‘too boring’ and me getting into a swoon that you’re dissing me personally.
You have to watch that cos it’s a typical Little Scotlander trick as they try and transfer their rabid hatred of the English onto anybody who dares diss Scotland but it doesn’t mean that any sensible person should fall into the same trap.
We must seek to forgive them for they are merely products of their upbringing.
I live Sussex way – and I have to say the countryside is fucking boring down here.
I don’t think the mob liked her. She didn’t get much backing.She slipped up on the Tory toffs thing. Somebody asked how we could all be in it together when George was the heir to a fortune.He quite rightly stated that his father started his company from scratch and employs 200 people. Mob shut up..So did she. Mob didn’t seem to like her husband. I can’t stand her faux Northern accent as she was raised in Hampshire. She shoudl faux off with the rest of Nu-Liebor.
Get the impression from tonights QT the audience were already prepaing for Cambo to be in power next year,they seemed to have more questions as to what he was up to,than hitting Brown.
And I’ll bet that one if not both of her homes is plastered in Osborne & Little/Designers Guild/Nina Campbell fabrics, furnishings and wallpapers. My sister used to work for them and most of the fabrics start at £70 a meter.
Any ‘at home with the Balls-Cooper’ photos?
as x squiddie, fuck of into your EUssr oblivion
October 8, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Tapestry your thread is unravelling
How can Cameron’s anti-Lisbon strategy be crumbling. He said he would hold a referendum if the Lisbon Treaty was not ratified before the election.
Don’t make out this is some kind of massive Tory disaster and everyone will flee to UKIP. WTF are UKIP going to do about it
Post of the day…… in simple terms this is where we are.
647Article 38 says:
October 8, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Skippy, you make fair points. A lot of people were disillusioned with the Conservatives by ‘97, but it was still a fairly competent government (compared to what followed).
673Cynical Hoon says:
October 9, 2009 at 12:17 am
couple of grand….not right absolutely totally agree. They were duly hung in public and they were.
October 8, 2009 at 5:02 pm
the permission of the British people must be gained to legalise the transfer of power to another body. that is because sovereignty lies with the people.
that is the constitution.
where is this written?
tat is a bit of a knob head.
Good old John Pienaar!!
Keep it up son.
CW thought tonights poltical slots were a bit of ding dong of some of the current positions , yvette did a fantastic fem bot impression and managed to deny the ruin had been using class war , Sir Staurt Rose was strangely focused on his global business and Ian Hislop had a good go at hypocracy , I couldnt tell what Sarah Teather was about other than talk about the lack of anything at Bournemouth.
But underneath the surface you could tell that the spats were waiting to happen , but the drugs dont work and it seems neither does the spin , there is a potential political vaccuum or more likely political confusion , labour are getting away with some very light answers indeed , like good dogs the public are being told to wait till november for the pre budget report , they sort of suss somthing is wrong about this, reflected very much in style of politics that Labour have introduced .
There isnt much to cheer about from labour as they calculate who will vote for them , the economy just hangs there in suspended disbelief and debt silently racks up , the arithmatic of how many labour voters are not going to notice the catostrophic hit on personal budgets or ponder why private business will become the financial equivalent of a transfusion bank , shows how in denial they have become , and yet it plods on tit for tat in some sort of complex political time piece waiting for the hands to reach time for an election .
The use of political science by labour “oh we cant call an election as its not a good time ” is troubling as they fail to see the mix is dangerous .when John major was getting called grey and being made fun of as boring , there were some who thought a grey man would preserve the tory vote , labour re invented itself as the dazzling palace of common good and land of plenty and 1997 occured . The contrast though between John Major and Gordon Brown is that John wasnt necessarily hated and he was actually putting the economy in good order , the ruin on the other hand is actually hated because he has trashed our wealth and he does not tell us much , add to it lisbon and the public have rightly come to the conclusion that labour have done somthing bad , somthing very bad indeed , quite different to the useual left right changes of government that have dominated the post war years.
David Camerons speech I thought fell into the historic catagory , there was somthing in his mind that he had seen over the years , he had witnessed the tory change s of the 80s party go on too long , dazzled by the first Blair term and then ended up having to re balance the Blair projects flaws ,but not before a socialist ecnomic failiure had occured , he was so fired up that years had been wasted in Uk political terms .
The ruin , should acknowledge that it is time for a change he has no solution for the debt , no urgency , it meanders on all too marie celest like , the cuts should have come last year , he miscaluclated that one and now he is miscalculating the continuation of his polices and his diliberate obfuscation will somehow save his party .
the battle of the bulge was an heroic thrust that ran out of fuel , the battle of the buldging debt will be the serving up of the weakness of the socialism even in in poor economic times , you cannot bust an economy to make socialism look like the only option , rebellion is different to wreckless , opinion a luxury in a national catastrophey , a lie a matter of jsutice .
CW thinks the bunker walls may not be thick enough for the ruin in parliament this time around . youve had your holiday !
Dont you dare lecture me on the poor
I didn’t get the public to pay for my mortgage and child benefit despite my multi-millionaire status so I could listen to nonsense about me being an out of touch twat
I helped my dad with his speech – I sprayed water in his eyes at the right time during his speech…didya all like me, wazzi good ?
you sick fuck
as and when you grow a pair big enough to procreate on your own – youll maybe understand something of what he went through.
until then – just FUCK OFF hoon
I see gordon and peter have both done a disappearing act as the Royal Mail looks set to self destruct. Amazon said it was changing carriers yesterday. Ebay and Argos have now followed. What on earth do the strikers think they are going to gain?
Snail mail volumes were already fallling and the increasing internet retail trade was Royal Mail’s one hope or survival. Now the union has ensured that they have thrown even that chance away. Idiots!
Listening to an anonymous Essex postal worker… “We work 8 hours a day and just can’t get through all the mail in that time, what am I supposed to do work for nothing?
Yes. I did. Hours and hours of unpaid overtime just to keep my job and meet deadlines throughout every one of the 25 years of my working life so far.What’s so special about you?
you probably didn’t earn the equivalent of 12 grand a year as you main income madam
And soon they will not even earn 12 grand with their well thought out strategy of undermining the business for which they work. The only industries where strike action has a hope of working are monopolies. Postal workers no longer belong to a monopoly, and all the lucrative aspects of their business are hemorrhaging to the competition.
yeah well it ain’t that difficult a job and you get a company bike thrown in. Fuckers should pay tax on that as well.
Great Paxman v Boris piece!!!!!! Well worth a gander…
I know most of you lot want to treat it as a joke, but the Cameroons wont do anything except paper over the cracks. That may be 10 times better than World Statesman of the Year’s lot, but we’re still fooked bandy.
And Guido, you’ve a big role to play you lazy git.
Get off your arse.
@MattJDay: watching questiontime wishing he could wipe the smile off David Cameron’s face
About 11 hours ago
Labour supporters – the scum of the earth.
“this week admitting that Gordon Brown’s fiscal stimulus was necessary to keep the economy going. ”
LOLOL. Delusional Labourgs would do will to commit mass suicide to atone for their crimes.
Keiner ist hoffnungsloser versklavt als derjenige, der irrtümlich glaubt
frei zu sein.
There are none more hopelessly enslaved then those who falsely believe they
Johann Wolfgang von Goethe (1749-1832)
He was a great composer, I’ll give him that.
I do not believe either party understands the increasing difficulty in creating an operating profit from commercial activity
When the government make a decision to take money from a small business and give to to someone else on the sole basis that the other person is a fat bastard and cannot get out of bed, something is very wrong.
If the fat bastard had no money to buy cake, they may decide to get out of bed, I am sure they will become better physically and mentally because nu-labour are no longer feeding them like they are on a slug farm
Let me keep £1500 NI payments and I will create two jobs
An insight into the reasons why Labour always come to power on a wave of hope and leave on a Tsunami of despair.
There are some points in his speech that I agree with but I don’t think the believer’s truly understand what he means by it is going to be tough! We have to realise that to get our finances in order it will mean cuts everywhere and higher taxes, now how many people do you think are going to strike and get disorderly about that?? – errr- everyone – tensions are high enough anyway with the likes of BNP getting more of a buzz these days with their “emotional word of the day” immigration.
So here is my prediction… Tories win, they come into power and immediately shake things up and give us all a scare when they declare cuts in our wages, cut in our public spending, just generally cutting everywhere. Dont forget that while they are cutting they are taking the people out of work and forcing them into work, sort of like labour camps (this I agree we should do BUT) how many will get upset by this, those who just don’t give a S**T and don’t want to work will most likely kick off… Next the BNP will raise up and say why cut us when all these immigrants get the money and the “British Born” will become hell raisers…. riots on the street, runs on government, and a new gunpowder plot will emerge. Fitting really for this website.
I am a believer I guess, after really listening to his speech I got the sense that this guy is not about us, it is about the future generations, and as as present day pessimist and a future optimist, I have to say if we did do this now, our kids and their kids will have a great time flying around on maglev trains in their mega cities of the 23rd century! LOL
I think it is inevitable that they will win, after all despite the wide variety of so called “choice” (which doesnt really exist) Cameron has already been selected by the European Governments, not to mention has already kicked off a lovely relationship with the likes of Obama. To me that says it all, no need to vote, he is next in line. All the same club anyway, so it really doesnt matter and anyway i kind of like the guy, I think he will get things done…
… but be warned!
… Tories also mean more law and order, more social and economic changes and it will lead to some crazy rebellions from those at the lower end of life, and to that a potential third wolrd war, a global pandemic and a market collapse again and we will have a heck of 10 years coming up!
WELCOME TO THE NEW ORDER OF THE WORLD… FIRST COMES CHAOS, THEN COMES THE PEACE
(Under complete control by the smaller government which is under complete control by the larger one… its a spin tactic to decrease powers here in teh countries, while handing the bigger day to day tasks such as economy over to the EU, privately owned and run by a group of dynasties who’s plan it is to dominate the known world economy, debt equals slavery…)
Did I miss anything?
Omaha Beach has just won the Nobel peace prize
what the fuck did he do to win that
these guys are a joke
What a joke!
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