Attack Dog Chases Own Tale
Growling Chris Grayling was out of the loop doing his own speech to conference when it was leaked that General Dannatt was joining the Tories in the Lords. He told the BBC’s Emily Maitlis
“I admire the work of General Dannatt and other senior generals who’ve done so much in Afghanistan and done so much to lead. I hope that this isn’t a political gimmick. We’ve seen too many appointments in this government of external people where it’s all been about Gordon Brown’s PR. General Dannatt’s an experienced figure and should rightly be working alongside government. I’m always suspicious of government’s motives when it does things like this.
Except it wasn’t the government making the appointment, it was to be Cameron in his speech tomorrow. Ouch.
He has had to do another interview explaining that he doesn’t really think it is a PR gimmick now he knows he is going to be working for a future Tory government. We are at war with Eurasia, we have always been at war with Eurasia…
Oh dear.
Obviously leaked out before it was announced, hence the slip up from Grayling who didn’t hear the question properly – he thought it must be about the govt because he hadn’t heard anything from his own side.
Good news though, we need more Gen. Dannatts around!
Seconded.
Get rid of this bumbling halfwit and bring back someone with a bit of gravitas. It’s time to swallow your pride Dave and get Davis in as Home Sec as a champion against this mad NuLiebore Orwellian state.
Abso-fucking-lutely !!
Note the BBC are loving this, because Dannatt half let the cat out of the bag on Radio 5, while Maitlis was on hand to deliver the coup-de-grace to Grayling personally..
Maybe he was paying a bit too much attention to her ‘fuck-me’ shoes…
Please. That speech negated everything they had done so far.
David Davis NOW.
Just using the old tax more, imprison more and ban more, will not cure the problem they need new solutions.
Nigel Farage berates the Eurocrats over the Irish referendum
Thanks UKIPwebmaster-Intel slains jobs as do rianaire after irish yes vote.
B&P anyone?
More useless fucking Tories under Cameron. Brace yourself, boys and girls, you’re about to get a new Edward Heath for the noughties !
Note the bumbling half-wit Gordon was on the Pride of Britain awards.
Mrs. Brown grimacing at his side- she never looks very happy.
Get rid of him and put the “Pride” back in being British.
Look at the fat troughing Fucker lying back in his chair shouting insults whilst looking so fucking smug. The true face of these thieving eurocrats !
Oops indeed.
Nonetheless, Dannatt is right about one thing – the current shower of a government. The fact that they refuse point-blank to support the forces, despite continuing death and maiming of our lads shows that they’re nothing so much as a bunch of proto-murderers.
http://cogitodexter.wordpress.com/2009/10/06/the-military-sacrifice-in-afghanistan/
Grayling is an idiot. His speech today could have been made by any home secretary, Labour or Tory.
Typical attack dog style as Guido says.
I wanted to hear real reform for our rubbish Police service, I turned him off when he started licking the police arses for protecting him.
Supporting the forces would mean being brave enough to face up to the Yanks and tell them that we’re on a worthless fucking boondoggle being paid for in our boys blood. Pull out now!
Eurasia! where is Eurasia..let me at ‘em..
its everywhere accriding to Mussy’s report
http://londonmuslims.blogspot.com/2009/10/danni-minouge-and-etihad-airways.html
bout time they got decent picture of some real totty like the shaggable Danni Minouge rather thn the usual diet of Paks
The idea of a parliamentary democracy is that elected civilians give orders to the military, not the other way round.
Would that include elected Prime Ministers and elected First Secretaries of State?
Elected means elected and that excludes Mandy. La Kinnock, La Scotland and a general with a large pension and a peerage. Brown was elected as an MP – as Alec Douglas-Home (an equally unelected prime minister 1963-4) was.
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Electing someone to be your MP, i.e. the person who might have to deal with housing questions, open village fetes and kiss a few babies at election time is an entirely different matter from that of Prime Minister, the man with the finger on the nuclear trigger, the man who decides how much cash gets printed, etc. Brown has NO MANDATE TO GOVERN, any more than Janet Dean MP (LAB), the Dougal lookalike with the all the wit and wisdom of Ermintrude. Perhaps we should give her a go?
and a further tranche of the Cabinet
Or in Gordon Broon’s case UNELECTED civilians giving orders to other civilians.
If elected citizens (ahem) give orders to the military, they should make bloody well sure the military has the numbers and the kit to do the job properly.
Dannatt’s a good call, let’s hope the tories let him get the job done and not wrap him up in red tape ala Digby Jones.
My thoughts exactly.
The problem with political jokes is they get elected.
He is a stupid twat – as are those who though it a great idea TO DO MORE SOCIAL ENGINEERING BY TAXING ALCOHOL. Fuck off. Can you arseholes not think of a solution to anything that doesn’t involve fucking taxing people? If there are wankers running around pissed and fighting, fucking lock them up.
Grayling is a twat. Making alcohol unfordable for Jocks is only going to make the Jocks turn to even more crime.
Get the young hooked on narcotics-that will be their salary once in the military
That would be in the Whirling Dervish army then?
No that would be the crack troops.
That’s probably what Al Qaeda and the Taliban do with their recruits.
and turn more of the English onto buggery which is of course their national sport.
The great thing about when someone takes an abortive stab at a witty putdown and it comes out as plodding and predictable as that (603), is that we can stoop to your level and tell you you are a twunt guilt-free!
Now that you are truely part of the new Europe, the ‘Reich Lite’, as we like to call it, you must start to prepare, body and soul. The recovery of East Prussia is not going to be the political walk-over people in middle Europe think. We need to work together. “People to people ; Blood to blood”
The English will have to for-go their beer, for the greater good. Already the fight against obesity, had started to work. Soon there will be a generation of fit young ‘Reichists’ With the world in their sights.
Alois ? The court project was completed yesterday. All appears to be fine, voting problem will be sorted as soon as the new players are in place next year. There will be no difficulties. Happy ?
“We are preparing the body and the soul !”
Siegt an allen fronten !
The Tory Taliban
It’s simple. The powers that be, instead of clamping down using existing laws against violent drunks have decided that the easiest way to stop them drinking is to stop you drinking as well. Last week socialists were suggesting we be issued with alcohol “entitlement cards” and today, the Tories are demanding huge price hikes in alcohol to deter binge drinking.
Apart from the arguments that putting up the price of petrol doesn’t stop 19 year old twats from hitting lamp posts at 80mph, it is an excellent way to fill the ever greedy State’s coffers whilst pretending to be looking after the children.
I drink VAST quantities of alcohol. I do not get into fights, drive drunk or stab people outside the Mustafa’s kebab shop because they look at my bird “a bit funny”. I do not urinate up against cars, shout abuse at 3am or beat up my wife and kids. I do not set fire to taxi drivers heads or vomit in post boxes. I tend to fall asleep in front of the telly and wake myself up with a large fart at 3am. I am a drunken danger to no one.
So why am I being punished? If you are going to put up the price of booze, you pasty faced fucknuggets then reduce the cost of the Police. They have been able to arrest and prosecute drunks for the last 130 years. They have been able to round them up in big black marias, throw them in the cells overnight and present them to the beak in the morning for a fine. Which if they can’t pay, they go to jail. See that? Crime- Criminal-Police -Punishment?
What changed? Why am I being punished because Dazza can’t hold his cider? Go after Tracey if she is kicking off after downing a bottle of Vodka before she hits the dancefloor and three bouncers. Not me. I’m at home, snoring on the sofa. Why should I be fined? I wasn’t even there!
Well said. Why bother with the messy business of enforcing the law when it is much easier (and more lucrative) to stick taxes up instead?
It won’t actually solve the problem, but who gives a shit about that? Appearing to take action is far more important.
Stickin up the cost of stuff is the remedy of choice for those with no fucking imagination whatsoever; the intellectually B*N*RUP* who have no proper place in government and whom we’d all be very much better off without in every conceivable way.
Exactly and beat them senseless 9oh they haven’t got any senses anyway – so simply bury them in a special council plot.
So why does the general have to be made a gravy train lord just to advise the government on matters defence? I am totally pissed off with all this undemocratic stuff. Dave is NO better than New Labour.
Little wonder Dave is called the Heir to Blair.
Pink Dave can go fuck himself. It’s Nige or Nick for me next time round.
Give us £1000 and we will release Guido Fawkes
Sheeez…they asked more for Lily Allen’s dog.
Awight-£10 and yer done. Then he can resume normal service
Keep him. If you think you can afford to keep him in the amount of food and drink to which he is accustomed then good luck mate.
Why was he walking alone in the woods anyway?
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If I was him I’d be well pissed off I wasn’t kept in that very important loop. They made him look a right chump.
Looks like the media got hold of the story before it could be announced internally at the Conference. Shows that they are human after all!
Maybe it’s something they thought up on the hoof. A bit like many of the policies. Or maybe they’re just incompetent. Hmmm….
He’s the home sec, ffs. Wasn’t he in on the discussion?
I’m guessing the shadow Foreign and Defence secretaries would have been involved with DC, probably was going to be announced to the rest of the bigwigs in the morning – ironically to help prevent a leak to the press!
Are you saying they can’t trust the rest of the shadow cabinet not to blab after a few swigs of (cunningly disguised) champers? Funny that. I wouldn’t trust ‘em either. Anyway – the Dannatt crowdpleaser may backfire on them in the long term.
Anyway, I heard a rumpour of a rumour on Guido. I’ve waited 5 years for this to happen.
if this was new labour you guys would be all over them for incompetence and involving an unelected person as a minister/ advisor in the house of lords – you can’t have it both ways – it’s called hypocracy
Didn’t you read my comments? Anyway – I’m sure I just heard Robinson refer to Dave as the PM. He’s got all confused because Dave’s making appointments already.
It is called what?
57 – ‘hypocracy’, apparently, although I would have thought ‘hippocracy’ might be a better spelling – Hadrian’s horse/consul, and all that.
Not to be confused with Democrisy…
hypocracy must be something to do with government from the underbelly of society
Refuse to answer the valid point, just concentrate on the spelling. Then again, why would I expect anything more of partisans?
Anyone who thinks the Tories are fit to govern has much more serious intellectual faults than mere illiteracy, hypocrisy being one of the junior (and most printable) among them.
They’re not even as reformed as Labour were in 1992, let alone 1997. After all the flowery words of the last few years, the battle approaches and they are simply reverting to type.
This bungling government-in-waiting has “one-term wonder” written all over it.
Oh Timmy you got me all convinced. I’ll be voting for Brown next year because they have had twelve years of preparation for government. I wonder how they’ll do this time?
Tim, no matter how Labour reform themselves, they’re still socialists or (pretend to be).
If, as you say, they are intelligent, they are also the worst hypocrts and intelligent enough to realize that socialism can only work in a world of limitless resources which can always be shared around equally, populated by perfect unselfish people. This is not the reality.
Even in a society like that, if there existed just one selfish or lazy person, game theory states that he’d be the winner (see Stalin, Hitler et al.), and the whole thing falls apart, becoming far worse than the ‘selfish’ diverse society it replaced.
They are, therefore, peddling a false doctrine not only completely at odds with human nature, but their environment. As I said, they either realize this and are cynical power players, or they are too stupid to be in charge of people’s lives.
Hypocrites, even.
Speaking of hypocrisy Paxo was interviewing Osborne on Newsnight and twittering on again about the deputy leader of the Tory party.He was alluding to his tax affairs not being errr regulated.When you think that Paxo and all the bastards at the BBC have been given dispensation over IR35. They set up Limited Companies but unlike people in the offshore oil industry and the IT industry they have not been clobbered by HMRC.They have been at the Beeb for years and are not allowed to do any outside work,so for all intents and purposes they are permanent members of staff.Offshore oil industry people and IT people are on short term contracts and really do have to move about.This was one of the nastiest things McDoom did as Chancellor. Paxo earns £7000 per half hour episode for University Challenge.Then there’s all his other work including Newsnight. The guys minting it,yet sneers and sniggers at the Tories.I really detest him.
Is Paxo a member of the Taxavoiders’ Alliance?
He is a right chump.
A bumbling slaphead who is now all over the News spoiling Dave’s coup for tomorrow.
You don’t spout off on new developments until you know the facts unless you are overly fond of the sound of your own voice like this dickhead is.
Shotgun, Foot, Ouch!
Surely the interviewer must have failed to mention ‘Conservative appointment’ in the question, could the interviewer have been deliberately misleading him knowing that Grayling He aware of the news?
Jees, you lot are making me paranoid.
‘that Grayling He’?
How the f*** did that get in there?
That’s “chump” in the Mandelsonian sense of the word, right?
You had to ask???
Its replaced hoon on here – but somehow lacks the satisfying resonance
Chump verb [tʃʌmp] – to hump a chum
How about “Chunt” then?
Grayling is Not very important. That’s why Dave agreed to let the Plod work him over. David Davis will take his place.
I’d never heard of him until this. He looks a bit like my accountant. Another no-mark, out of his league.
so, we are all agreed: grayling is a total fucking spastic.
and does anyone know why a wanker like grayling is part of the cameron eton crew but a big political beast like david davis, a proven politician with many opposite numbers’ scalps under his belt, is not a member of the shadow cabinet?
I do.
it is because david cameron is a fucking snotty nosed upper class arsehole.
and housing benefit cheat. what a c’unt.
change? fuck off dave you fraudster.
innit.
Ahahahahah. Nice.
Titfer, Chris Grayling is an ex-grammar school boy like David Davis.
of all the accusations I made in my post that is the best you can come up with?
fucking hell phil.
useless phil you are absolutely bloody useless.
are you an inbred like the rest of the tories phil?
you sound as if you are a sandwich short of a picnic you fucking retard.
It is the best I can come up with I’m afraid. Sorry ’bout dat.
It just seemed to me that the basic premise of your argument is that Dave is an old Etonian toff giving jobs to his old school chums and that the reason Grayling got the job, not Davis, is that Grayling is an old Etonian toff whereas Davis is just a grammar school oik. But of course they are both grammar school chaps.
So it pretty much fucking well destroys your stupid ill-informed case against Cameron doesn’t it, you lieing toerag, titfer?
oh gawd phil, now you are starting to embarrass yourself.
never mind dave being a toff, that is the least of his worries, the real problem with dave is that he is a thief and housing benefit cheat.
how do you feel about the tory leader being a skanky housing benefit cheat and a thief, eh phil?
honestly you are such a doughnut sometimes.
you walked straight into that one you fucking dimwit.
shame you didn’t have a decent education like dave and chris innit.
You can’t wriggle out of this one, titfer. I gotcha there good and proper.
It won’t hurt top boy to get a little slapping now and then. Keep ya one yer toes.
You should thank me.
what the fuck are you going on about now you cretin?
you have lost it phil.
on the crack last night were you?
don’t take drugs phil, winners don’t take drugs.
oh, but you are a loser, so you can fill your crack pipe to the brim and smoke it up!
you fucking crackhead.
Your thanks and apology accepted. ta titfer
you’ve totally lost it.
Quite right too…..
Oh dear, Mr Grayling. Foot in Mouth Disease?
That’s why politicians have advisers, to stop them stepping in things like this and to keep them up to speed.
How is it his fault? If your gaffer doesn’t tell you what’s going on, how the hell are you supposed to know? I’ve worked in plenty of places like that – Grayling has my sympathy. Secretive management is generally a sign of bad management I find.
Secretive management is generally a sign of bad management….
QUITE SO
The world is not run as some kind of surprise 50th Birthday Party. There is a reason why management and therefore government is so incredibly secretive, and it is NEVER a good reason, unless it just happens to be your 50th Birthday, and you like surprises.
I worked in a School once, where several members of staff wore ties with mushrooms on. ‘Why MUSHROOM CLUB?’ I asked
‘Because they keep us in the dark, and every so often pile s**t all over us.’ was the answer.
A school?
They let these people near kids??
“The world is not run as some kind of surprise 50th Birthday Party”
Good one !
Zanucon – Blair 2.0
REBOOTING
newspeak double plus good!
Nick Robinson is onto this, too. If I were a politician, I don’t think I would dare open my mouth except to read out prepared statements. Too many people waiting to pounce and chew over every last word. Let’s look at policies, not the odd bumbling misunderstanding.
We don’t want a return to the Campbell-controlled robot MPs who took instructions on what to say from their pagers. I welcome the fact that Grayling is human and can express a view without turning to an aid first for permission to speak. The fact that Toenails will take this out of proportion to blow it up from an opinion to a full blown gaffe and then a split is indicative of how shit the BBC has become.
I don’t think Grayling is the problem here necessarily but the tories have fucked up badly here
The Tories are guilty of political point scoring but at least it will keep the issue of army undermanning and underequipping in the headlines for a bit longer which I think is more important than egg on the faces of a few politicians.
How precisely? Lack of information management? Not rolling out a handful of Lords,ex -leaders and ministers to deny anything happened. If that is the case, I am all for this kind of fucking up.
Sky is down on him more that the Beeb it sounds to me.
It is exactly that Campellian influence and behaviour from both politicians and journalists over the past 15 years that turns what would be a complete non-event into the evening’s main news story.
He actually answered very well to the question he thought he had been asked, he could have called Dannatt a chump after all – and that WOULD have come back to haunt hm!
Hence the reason most politicians never give straight answers to questions. Journo’s are only interested in looking for cheap headlines by asking “have you stopped beating your wife?” style questions.
That’s why David Davis is a far better option. Or maybe Grayling did it on purpose… er?
New Labour’s War on the British Army: http://eotp.wordpress.com/category/the-governments-war-on-the-british-army/
It’s about time the Army fought back, if you ask me.
agreed….
That’s why Labour keep the military short of equipment, surely ?
And, I suspect why they’re keeping the majority of them well away from Britain ..
Things can only get better with a man of General Dannatt’s calibre and experience steering Defence policy ..
The BBC’s (the left’s) World Tonight program were most upset when Berlusconi put the Italian troops on the streets to deal with the illegal immigrant crime wave, and people scratch their heads and wonder why the Italians keep re-electing this ‘awful’ character.
An odd point of view for them to take: the story last week was that he was going to allow citizen militia to ‘take matters into their own hands’. How is using the official Italian forces supposed to be worse?
Sorry to confuse, I was refering to an older BBC reaction some months back, totally agree, ‘matters into their own hands’ sounds a thousand times worse.
That’s shocking-especially the part further down with the tragic timeline of deaths in the Iraq war side by side the expenses MP’s were claiming.
what about the government’s war on the british people???
Talk about ‘cognitive dissonance’….Orwell must be boogeying on down in his grave.
Black is white. Up is down. All politicians are liars…
They do it, bad. We do it, good.
Enuff OLDSPEAK
onward!
Unless he was set up?
No he’s a tit.
Don’t mouth off on camera without knowing all the facts.
Even the greenest junior minister knows that much.
Grayling was right first time. Cameron’s wrong. However good Dannatt might be, putting him in the Lords makes it clear that the Tories have exactly the same approach to an unelected upper chamber as Labour, and they have horribly undermined the general’s no doubt valid criticisms of this shitty government, playing into the hands of the Grauniad and AlJaBeeba.
Cameron get a grip, or we will all be back here before we know it ranting about you the way we are currently ranting about the one-eyed imbecile.
The difference is that at least Dannatt knows what he is doing.He’s had a proper job and will be speaking from front-line experience. Unlike that defence bloke who looks a bit like Kenny Ball,Bob Aintworthatoss.What actually is his experience on defence???Perhaps he fixed a few landrovers, so that gives him great insight into the working of the army.
Unless the interviewer knew Dannatt was on side for the Tories and hoped that Grayling didn’t know?
Senior polititco’s out of the loop,vote for Bliar mk2,it’s nice to talk,old bt advert.
Ah the Mark II….
Can’t say I’m very surprised Grayling was kept out of the loop. According to Wikipedia he only attended a mere plebby grammar school so he’s hardly likely to become a trusted member of the Tory inner circle these days
William Hague educated Wath upon Dearne Grammar School
David Davis (who will hopefully soon be back on the front benches- especially after Grayling’s twittish error) -raised on a council estate in S London and educated at a…. ?… Yes! You’ve got it. A Grammar School.
Ken Clarke – educated at a Nottingham Grammar School
Theresa May educated at Holton Park Grammar School.
I could go on but I’ll spare your blushes.
They probably weren’t in the loop either. The blushes are yours.
You miss the point angus – anon (and you are probably he) was suggesting that the tory Inner circle deliberately excludes people who are educated at grammar or comprehensive schools.
In truth the tory front bench has a number of people who are educated in both . And that is true of Tory MP’s too.
I have not checked but I suspect that the majority of Tory MP’s nowadays are educated in our state Comprehensive system.
A fair few posters on here must think they’re thick, then.
How many of the Labour Cabinet went to ‘mere plebby grammar schools’
Not good!
Double plus BAD luvvie!
Grayling, you horrible little man! Don’t come the brigadier with me dearie.
……Chris Grayling who died today…..
aged 106
Politicaly he’s certainly a dead parrot.
If there’s a reshuffle before the next election he’s done.
This perhaps says more about Cameron’s communication skills than Chris Grayling. What was all that guff he said about Cabinet Government?
well it would have been the ultimate buy-out/sell-out gimmick if the Gen. had joined the PM.
It came to me in a dream……
Yeah – OK – we know he’s a complete tosser.
But what can we do?
We’re the future.
Killjoy_Tory_Party, taxing you just like Noo_Lie_Bore did
Quite apart from this faux pas, that Grayling fellow doesn’t look, or sound, a safe pair of hands to me. Can’t Davis be forgiven and handed the job back?
I expect he will get his job back after the election
The day he announced his ‘big decision’, the BBC (the left – the enemy) did cartwheels down the road, everything was hurled out of the window, and they dedicated the whole of World at One to it.
They have not stopped laughing since.
His solo poloitical antics are a liability, don’t bank on it.
He’ll be about perceptive as a compass in a magnet factory. Trust him; he’s Tory.
This is a fuck-up. The media will have their fun, as will the opposition party.
(well labour do claim they are the underdogs, let’s call them on it)
But ultimately this will blow over in a day or so.
move along, nothing to see here. a member of the shadow cabinet is a total fucking cock and has made a complete fucking retard of himself.
move along mr ned?
you sound just like those new labour c’unts. just fucking like them.
you are like a crackheadwhore trying to score her next rock, so desperate for power, eh ned, you can almost reach out and touch that rock of crackcocaine before you stuff it in your pipe and smoke it up: you motherfucking junkie.
hung parliament my old mucker.
tough shit ned.
just have to go cold turkey mate.
Hmm i must be missing sumat i thought the story is that the torys are taking on one very good rtd officer to help sort out the disgusting Labour mess as concerns our forces ! and the pathetic lord folkes or what ever his name,canny do much about it ! and he made him self sound a tit on p.m trying !.
Watching the repeat of Grayling’s speech, very weak. No charisma, boring and gaffe prone. Bring back DD!
I think he may just be keeping his seat warm.
Red Robbo on the BBC News revelling in the gaff called David Cameron the PM.
Hope he gets roasted for it.
Just desserts for Toenails!!
If we’re going to roast someone, it won’t be that baldie tosser. She’ll have bigger tits, for a start.
QUWWWWWWRKK! SLAPHEAD! (t-r-r-r-r-rrrringle) UPYERBUM!
What happened to Mr. Slater’s Parrot? He’s not (sob!) an ex-parrot, I hope…(trembling lip!)…?
Sorry, tried to impersonate him – pathetic attempt. I’ll leave it to the professional. I’m sur the ols fella’s OK.
Mr Poopy Pants’ Parrot seems to have acquired another nom de merde.
Busted.
I don’t think anybody noticed
“Attack Dog Chases Own Tale”
To make matters worse, now a tory blogger has accidentally published a story embarrassing to his own party. The acoustics must be terrible up there.
A “Tory Blogger”? Mrs. Dale?
If you’re not one of the labour luvvie clique then you are a tory. Boo, hiss.
Simples
Jimmy rather forgets that Guido isn’t a Tory. Guido beats up chumps of all political colours. A difficult concept for the average neanderthal Liebore troll to grasp, though, I accept.
You’re quite right of course. I do keep forgetting that. Bad Jimmy.
you must be joking pal
you dont have to be a tory to hate the shower of shites and their licklespittle apparachicks who are labour. the tories dont have a monopoly on that. we can all hate the fuckers who have brought this country to its knees
Toenails report also included Lord Foulkes sounding off against Gen Dannatt, funnily enough there was no mention that the good Lord had filed FOI requests on the General’s expenses (prior to his retirement).
So Toenails highlights a ‘gaffe’ but allows a serial smearer to have his say. It is a Funny Old World.
No doubt Ld Ffoolkes was propping up a bar at the time was he?
hehe yes sound like it nell !!.
…or perhaps a bar was propping up Lord Fuckes…
Heard that salopian tw*t Foulkes, a professional labour apologist, on PM with Eddie Mair, Mair was tying him up in knots and he came across as a fecking big ‘know-all’ who knows nowt! If this ‘lord’ is the future then lets all feck off to Slovakia or somewhere! What has this country done to deserve such w*nkers in ‘authority as these unelected ‘socialist’ timeservers like foulkes a professional 67 yr old student, never had a ‘proper job’, a multi-dannatt expense claimer! piss off u pillock!
Mair was good. If that had been a court of law, Foulkes would have gone down. The vernacular is “gob-shite”.
Or, to be precise, drunken thieving gobshite.
BUT DIDN’T I HEAR NICK ROBINSON – AFTER HAVING A CHUCKLE AT POOR OLD CHRIS GRAYLING – REFER TO DAVID CAMERON AS “the Prime Minister”?? I think you’ll find he did!
Heard it too so you are not going mad.
That would go down well on YouTube
Only a matter of time…. Swiss Bob, where are you?
Yes Yes Yes
Is there something we should Know?
Natural authority will out – especially for trained arselickers. Looks like we’re finding out what the public school system is actually for, for the first time in decades. There are always loads of freaks, fops and drop-outs from it, but it’s one hell of a Darwinian selector!
Toenails is sharpening his tongue!
Yes Grayling it is a political gimmick!!!
Camoron is one big political gimmick!
Nil referendum.
Hail president Blair.
Hail the Federattion of Europe.
And what are the Tories going to do about it?
Sweet feck all!
And what are you going to do about it? Come on, come on, easy question; – you’re going to vote for….
**GAME
O
VER
**
(The Czechs have folded on Lisbon)
It was a great ride guys, thanks.
Czechs have not changed their position on Lisbon. It’s a bit of BBC non-news; their PM has always favoured ratification, their President is against and so will not sign. To create “news” like this you phone the Czech PM’s “people” and say “has the PM’s position on Lisbon changed?” they reply “why the fook would it? We want to ratify ASAP”; you then publish with a big (old) photo of the PM or the President (it does not matter which, this is just there to suggest you have a reporter and photographer actually reporting “news”) and pitch it as “Czechs To Back Treaty This Year”. Oh, I see the BBC already has.
**CORRECTION**
I misunderstood a BBC news report. More accurate details appear here.
Well, lets hope he can hold out but if the expedient court enquiry uphold the signing as legal then it won’t be long before he is pressurised by threats to his wider family of countrymen like what happened to our Irish freinds.
These things happen when you have to read everything so carefully despite coming from an “impartial” broadcaster. If you search hard enough even the Beeb have to sprinkle the odd fact in; on their Gavin Hewitt Europe Blog he says (eventually):
“Some words of caution. The legal process is real and the two ministers who spoke today do not know what the (Czech) Constitutional Court will decide. Their views are therefore opinions, but they reflect a belief here in Prague that President Klaus will sign “sooner rather than later”.”
So there you go…
An opinion or belief (if in the right direction) and with no actual accompanying news can be spun into “news” if it suits their political masters.
I’m voting UKIP
Good for you, pretty boring carping on about the same thing Ivor S, but hey, it’s your life to waste!
You kip if you want to Ivor but while you’re kipping ZNL will steal your country from you. Instead go and beat up your local tory candidate on this subject. Incessantly.
I’m doing entertaining both-many UKIP advocates are conservatives too. Only one is serious about europe-Lisbon can’t be negotiated-it’s bomb proof.
It’s not important anyway, forget it. Btw-who will be our military advisor under europresident His Highness Absolute Mr Blair?
Sven Goran-Ericsson
Field Marshall the Lord Gawdalmighty Mandelnkitzler?
Carole Caplin
Carole Caplin under Tony Bliar. Now there’s a rumour!
Well the rumour I heard was umm erm …..more to do with CC and Cherie .
You’re right, I’d forgotten that one.
Wonder what Tony was up to at the time….
Engineer – Do you mean ‘what’ or ‘whom’?*
*Possibly deleting the ‘to’.
And, do you mean ‘Tony’ (as in ‘a pretty sort of guy’ – sorry, ‘a pretty straight sort of guy’) – or Miranda?
Errrm……unconfirmed rumours suggest….
Didn’t Clarissa Dixon-Wright have to erase something from her autobiography about her time in chambers at the same time as one A.L.Bliar? Miranda was mentioned….
I’ve heard it straight from a fellow chamber sharer of the Blairs that they are crap, have always been crap (he was at Oxford with them) and ever more shall be crap.
He also said they’d sell their mothers and Cherie was embarrassed about her background and a social climber. Figures.
Caplin, yes thanks Nell. A Smelly cardboard effigy hanging from the rear view mirror on all euro army personnel carriers. Good start
A smelly effigy of President unelect Balair
. You know I’m whiter than white. You know.
Von Ribbentrop
Ted Testicles!
Any Italian?
He’s bound to give it to one of his kids or a ‘cool’ celeb.
I’ll write an album to his glorious president and get the bbc to promote it.
Ouch. Cock up. What went wrong, the leak or the loop, Guido? In his defence when put on the spot CG clearly supported the Dannatt appointment despite jumping to the conclusion that it was done as a spoiler by McDoom/ZNL so at least the bloke was being honest. I would have told the BBC that “my comments still stand”.
After all McDoom would not have brought Dannatt into the government anyway; he more likely would have brought in some hoon whose connection with things military would be that he had in the past fronted a popular TV show on Battles of the 20th Century.
Or something; maybe not even that. The Role of Ethnic Minority Wimmin in The Second World War (from my thesis whilst at Poly; sorry Uni).
Well Chris Grayling’s a twit!
As for the news about General Dannatt – good move from Cameron. And at least next year our troops will have their own voice in government to fight for their welfare and proper kit and equipment.
Inspite of the Defence budget cuts rumoured by Liam Fox?
Chris Grayling got it right first time; the appointment is a bit of a gimmick. Unfortunately for the hapless Grayling this particular Labouresque gimmick was performed by his own party – Ooops. Just goes to show how politicians will spin any old crap, Labour or Blue Labour there all the same. The inept Grayling should be handed a bottle of vintage Champaign and a loaded service revolver and told to the decent thing. What a complete and utter chump makes Ed Balls look competent.
Black Adder and his cohorts are more competent than edb.
I have a cunning plan…..
Is that Champaign-Urbana!
The defence cuts being looked at are carriers and euro fighters.
Both Liam Fox and Osborne have already said that the troops in Afghanistan will have everything they need including an extra 2500 men and those Ridgebacks stuck in Dubai.
Mean bob aintbustingut and postman pat are swanning around Pakistan trying to look useful by offering a couple of our advisers to the Pakistani intelligence services.
What is it with the modding today!
Let’s try again.
The Defence cuts being looked at are carriers and eurofighters.
Both Liam Fox and Osborne have already said that our troops will have everything they need to fight this war including an extra 2500 men and those Ridgebacks stuck in Dubai that bob aintbustinagut doesn’t have a clue how to move.
But that is short sighted knee jerk crap Nell.
Carriers allow us to go anywhere in the world and display our resolve and back up diplomatic talks with real beef.
At the moment we have a major problem in Afghanistan but that will not be the case for much longer, one way or the other. Folly to cut back on Trident too just to save the odd civil servant or three.
Yeah and nobody is going to get killed!
Because the Tories are going to sort it all out.
Well talk is cheap. Let’s see what happens in the real world.
Right. Let’s just see which way the crow flies.
What is the Payload of the average crow?
More after a shite on your car. Probably.
a reply to payload of a crow
What’s the betting Labour will make another “surprise announcement” this week.
Hopefully that Brown did a JONESTOWN MASSACRE on the entire bunch of crooks AKA the cabinet and then blew his useless brains across the cabinet room.
Sorry for any offence, but I hate this fraudulent piece of crap so much that I need some pills……..
Brown is a sociopath whose mask has well and truly slipped. Not a pretty sight, is it?
Think the materials have already been bought in and contracts signed for the carriers but McSnot has put the builds on hold,we pay if they don’t build and we pay if they do build.
Another bit of “scorched earth” from the McSnotster.
When I was a kid in the fens , in the Autumn , they used to burn off the fields of corn stubble and waste.
Very spectacular and real ‘scorched earth’.
Thing is, if you got an incompetent burner who couldn’t judge wind speeds and direction , the flames sometimes would turn and the person doing the burning would have to run for safety.
gordon is one of those incompetent burners.
Gordon won’t let you burn off stubble unless you shower him with taxes and adoration.
That’s scoTched earth.
Scotch Earth
He couldn’t light a match, Nell. Talking of windbags….what are we doing about europe today?
Nell this is to you.
When the burning was at its height one of my Companies was a brand leader in the Agri manufacturing world and when visiting distributers and shows I used to worry about the effect all the smoke all over the horizon was having. Millions of acres every year. As you will remember it wasn’t just the stubble as it was easier to burn than bail. What a waste….
Rest assured there won’t be any aircraft carriers. Yes the taxpayer will have to pay out large to break the contract but the Royal Navy can kiss the big ships good bye, it was a lovely little fantasy while it lasted. This rather sad (and for the taxpayer very expensive) debacle has a rather funny similarity to the previous British Government aircraft carrier cancellation debacle in 1965 when another completely skint Labour Government led by Harold Wilson had to cancel, also at the last possible moment. The Royal Navy will just have to make do with its elderly pretend little aircraft carriers or should I say Through Deck Cruisers. On a more positive note at least with no aircraft carriers to deploy the British Government might be more inclined to mind its own business and refrain from future stupid overseas wars.
Bugger. I should have waited a few more years.
Sorry but the carriers and the bombers SSNs will both be staying. Both are already marked down as part of the EU’s standing forces. The French made a pigs-ear of their share of the carrier force, by buggering up the building of their first one. However the plans made as far back as the 1990s are still the only game in town. We did’nt think, then, that the EU navy was a starter, but by the time I left the service they had already started to prepare Plymouth dockyard for it’s job as the main training base of the Euro-navy.
The ‘Reich Lite’ marches on.
…”a boot stamping on a human face—forever”…
There’s nothing in principle by sharing training with allies. We do it all the time.
It doesn’t mean we have to be ruled by unelected facist politicians in another country.
“Plymouth” dockyard ? SSNs “bombers” not SSBMs ?
What service did you leave ?
We need a proper navy to protect our sea routes and to provide off-shore mobile firepower.
Britain has undergone a massive invasion over the last 30-40 years without a shot being fired. As a result, the indigenous culture will be changed forever. During the latter part of this period our troops have been fighting a war in a country that most people could not point to on a map, and fighting for reasons nobody fully understands. With our armed forces unable or unwilling to protect their country, I don’t see that we have use for them. Junk the lot.
Give us a leader.
Most of the invasion has been in the past 12 years under Labour. Even Milton Keynes has a colony of over 3,000 Somalis which is growing daily.
Those Trident subs will stem the flow.
Was looking at an official government pensions website last night.Photographs of two pensioners,both black.Now seeing that we are supposed to have less than 10%black people in the UK why are we the majority being represented by them? I am sick and tired of minorities.Especially the Jocks.Their accents are just awful.Am I the only one sick to death of Scottish accents being used on adverts.Newscasters,and all goverment helplines have Scottish voices.What is wrong with an English voice? Sky,Virgin,M&S,John Lewis must all have Scottish call centres.The ONLY acceptable Scottish accent is that of Fraser Nelson because I can understand everything he says and he is quite frankly GAWJES.
Our local show BBC Look East (for East Anglia) is the same.
EA is mainly prairies of agriculture the odd market town and hundreds of little hamlets and villages — the only cosmopolitan places are Cambridge and some of the coastal towns like Yarmouth or Kings Lynn. Yet Look East opens with an Asian street market scene (where the fuck’s that?), wind turbines (there are hardly any as we have Sizewell) and race horses (fair enough).
No Cambridge colleges, no open countryside, no Sizewell (which supplies about 4% of the power not only to us, but the rest of the UK) there’s nothing on that film that I recognize about the place where I live.
Its a pun on ‘East’ – you know belly dances – or belly-flop in this case.
The Anglians need to take back their silver knight before Gordon melts it down
The silver knight went off the telly a long time ago here.
It’s probably gone the same way as our gold reserves.
I live in East Anglia too.
Our local TV is getting rather ridiculous. I’m tired of getting info about someone’s diamond wedding anniversary – meaningless.
Most of the BBC’s Look East programme is devoted to utter rubbish these days.
Well said s-o, but it’s equally awful in the south. Meridian is our local TV station. Their ‘news’ progs are pitiful – in our house we call it the ‘cat-up-a-tree’ news, such is the sheer depth of their reporting. When they aren’t begging the few remaining viewers to send in their stories – presumably because they can’t be arsed to go looking for them – they are reading out these wretched wedding anniversaries. To cap it all, the old slap-head who presents it actually waves at the camera at the end. This is local TV at its very worst and the sooner they put it out of our misery the better.
Blimey. I think your TV is worse than ours.
Our son played drums in a band a few years ago and they won a competition for best band through a local radio station, out of over 1000 entries. I ‘phoned Look East to see if I could get a bit of coverage for them.
It took me the best part of a day to actually speak to someone and, guess what….. they don’t even have a proper outside broadcasting unit. The lady I spoke to actually reads the news on the programme. They weren’t the slightest bit interested in the success of a local band – only cats up trees, and wedding anniversaries. She said that a local band would not be what their viewers wanted to see (speaks volumes, that). What a waste of time that was.
No but if they were a trans gender local band who wrote songs about climate change and suchlike, they would have been all over them like a rash.
Yes. We had thought about that.
Unfortunately, they don’t fit any of those criteria.
The way they reported the Ipswich murders in 2007… made my toes curl.
They just about managed to keep their solemn faces on for the camera — although you could see they couldn’t believe their luck reporting from the center of a national news story. In fact they even got to do an in-depth special about themselves out of it and ‘Ipswich as it is today’ all sweetness and light apparently.
We use the same stuff everywhere – it’s divers-tee and the virament, innit?
£3.7 billion gets you this – (and I picked out one of the better ones)
Streamfisher, that’s not entirely fair. Your 3.7bn also goes to fund a mass of crappy old cookery programmes on a million and one variations.
Plenty of rocket needed methinks, but of the pyrotechnic kind.
Diversity is unity, war is peace, divide and conquer only the English can be racists, English culture and population, and English history is to be eradicated.
Tony Blair EU President and servant of the bankers
Anon at 8:49am – they won’t eradicate English history and culture; they’ll just re-write in a dispicably ugly way designed to engender self-loathing on the part of ethnic English people. Eventually we’ll all believe that African culture is superior to our own. Incredibly, however, many people have already bought into this view!
It’s funny you should say that. I’ve just posted that every day here in the Cotswolds I keep seeing more and more young African women almost all of them pushing their babies in pushchairs. Cirencester in particular is like this.
What’s going on?
It’s called multi-cultural enrichment. You’re meant to celebrate it.
We were in Oxford a short while ago. Bearing in mind that its University is attended by people from all over the world, we had trouble hearing english spoken at all.
Most of the pubs, restaurants, cafe’s and the hotel we stayed at were all staffed by people from elsewhere. A lot of people in the streets were also foreign.
PC rears its ugly head again at Al-JaBeeba!!
Agree 100% you can’t even get the friggen weather in a language you can understand these days.
The weather is best done by Jeremy paxman
We should have commonwealth twangs only. I want to hear much more aussie on the news and I want to have the weather read in canadian. 2I was told it was going to be cold today in the UK-must be a mistake it sais here it will be minus 8
I want to hear some proper West Indian, Jamaican, Lucian, Bajian, accents like I used to when I was a kid – what a lovely sounding dialect that was – all we’ve got now is that stranglated youthspeek that sounds like Janet Street-Walker crossed with Bombay Welsh. Socialism makes n*****s out of everyone who’s not in the elite, regardless of skin tone.
One hears a lot of Geordie accents on the tele these days and that is supposed to be “English”. Me I’d rather have my face sprayed with vodka laced spittle from an unintelligible Glaswegian at Euston Station than listen to a Geordie accent. All that howay man! Yareet? Am areet.
or in the mornings..
Yup?
Mup.
Yupyit?
Mupnoo!
Feck orf, chump (in the Lord Fondlebum sense)
Aye but you canna beat a geordie lass,gadgie !
We beat them all the time. It’s more satisfying than kicking the whippets
Harraway ‘n’ shite
Bloody Ruth (ooooh nnnnnooooo) Archer started it…
I stopped shopping at the co-op specifically becuase of the Jock twat on the advert and the way he says “food’
That jock twat who says fuurrduh when he means food on the co-op ad is the actor John Hannah I believe.
Guid with fid? I don’t like the way the chumper says Curry either. Bytheway.
Bit like last week’s leaflet for the over 50s being shown how to bonk by Man City Council – multi-cultural coupling…
Local BBC news is like moving wallpaper with some noise thrown in. Last night Points West was banging on about Honda moving car production from the Far East to Swindon. The world beating car was the Honda Jazz.
There was a piece on the Tory conference, the presenter was moaning that the only food available was a pork pie due to Tory austerity. Why do they bother?
But at least election night will be fun watching hatch faced Labourites and Limp Dims facing defeat on a massive scale.
But are those Pork Pies not the ‘Gordon’s Porky’s'?
This thread sequence is more difficult to decipher than Brown’s Budget Statements were
No, you’re not alone. It’s getting bloody irritating.
There is no need for us to junk them the Taliban seem to be doing a preety good job of it on their own along with their Labour friends.
Anonymous have you ever heard the saying – ‘cut your coat according to your cloth’
The pot is empty, labour has spent it all.
The Tories have to allocate what scarce resources are available acording to need.
They have said categorically that our troops in Afghanistan are a priotity and they will give them everything they need. Their adoption of Dannat ensures they will do that.
Other things are going to have to be cut. That’s life!
Defence isn’t ringfenced and all the talk in the world about proiroties or rejigging resources is a snowflake in a firestorm.
Those who are rightly lambasting the state of things in Afghanistan right now had best be ready to eat their words in a few months if they think a quagmire can be turned around by cheap talk or a temporary surge of a few thousand.
Dave’s ‘policy’ is to hope Obama pulls out so he can.
The exact same ‘policy’ Brown had on Iraq.
And there’s no sign of that whatsoever as Obama won’t touch withdrawall before the midterms and probably after since it will become a 2012 election issue.
It’s okay,Osbornes going to encourage new body bag manufacturing tax breaks.
We should ditch “Typhoon”, or “Eurofighter” as you call it.
We should buy FA-22 Raptors from the US.
30 times the cost – 10000000 times the effectiveness.
But now Lisbon has been forced onto Britain with no referendum the EU are our masters now – & we will buy their inferior solution to the futue scenarios we are going to face.
Sad days for Britain ahead I am afraid chaps. Over & out – (we sure are)
The Tories took us in, they have had plenty of opportunities to take us out, but they haven’t and will not do so.
So “Lisbon” hasn’t been forced onto anyone. It’s just an illusion.
If the Tories don’t like it then they will have another opportunity to withdraw form the EU as the right wing would like to do.
It will not happen.
Hail President Blair!
Hail the Federation!
Surely you mean Zeig Heil?
EuroFascists like you with delusions of Empire have come to oppress the British tribes before throughout the ages & they will come again – but they will always be defeated by the great indigenous peoples of this proud Island.
Make no mistake – the anti democratic EU will fall.
No democracy – no peace.
We should buy MIGS. They’re a fraction of the cost of Eurofighters and FA-22s or whatever.
We could buy thousands of the fuckers for the same price. I don’t care how good FA-22s are. Hopefully we won’t be fighting the yanks but if we do we could just overwhelm ‘em with the sheer number of much cheaper MIGS.
Sane as ever I see.
Nah, buy those old Red Barron style Bi Planes with a single mounted machine gun. They are so slow they’d be impossible for a modern jet fighter to catch, he’d overshoot them everytime. Plus they are made of canvas, so they have no radar footprint. A stealth plane for a couple of hundred quid’s worth of wood and string. A bargain.
Purlease! You mean the Fokker DR1 Triplane with twin Spandaus.
We have far too many Fokkers in Parliament ever to need any more.
That was a reply to Ratsniffer @ 8:32 but it’s meandered down here.
Guido’s Javascript appears to be broken.
Douglas Bader. “I was at 20,000 in my Spitfire, when three Fokkers appeared.”
“Girls, a Fokker is a German aeroplane. Sorry, Group Captain.”
Bader. ” Anyway, I was at 20,000 in my Spitfire, when three Fokkers appeared in their Messerschmidt 109s.”
With or without the machine gun/propeller synchronisation? (The option costs an extra two quid per plane and propellers are a fiver, so it’s a tough call for an armaments-procurement minister).
Better still build a fleet of Mosquitos. The original stealth fighter-bomber.
There are 3 basic problems with this course of action:
1. The US has banned the export of the FA-22 due to its very high technology which they would (rather sensibly) keep to themselves.
2. The Euro fighters have already been bought so we are in effect stuck with them as no one else wants them either.
3. The FA-22 aircraft are horrendously expensive and the UK is totally bankrupt and couldn’t afford them even if the US was stupid enough to sell them.
More cost-effective still to buy Sukhois from Russia. Fit them out with cameras that can photograph the nipples on Brighton’s nudist beach all the way from London while flying backwards, what else could you chaps want? Oh, handlebars, I think we stretch to those too.
You should never say “Over and Out”. It is a major breach of w/t ettiquette.
Canon fodder in an insane, illegal, expensive and ultimately pointless war that will inexorably creep toward defeat.
Perhaps the AA can help!
OMG !!!
This site is as higgledy-piggledy as ever sooo I’m gonna latch on to nell’s thingy . Hiya , hun x . Comfy ???
Now , I don’t understand the question but is the bold bloke in the piccy sayin , ‘I’m gonna be bald, stick me neck out an assume that General Donut is gonna be doin somethin alongside HM Opposition ???
Probably E x .
P.S. I think I woz on your lap but I may be down here in nowheresville x .
They could have 25,000 more troops and several fleets of Ridgebacks and it won’t make a blind bit of difference.
This was lost in 2005 when the momentum from a half decent election and a military position of strength was thrown away because the carnage and sectarian death squads in Iraq diverted all resources and allowed Afghanistan to sink into tribalism, a Taliban resurgance and political corruption of a world-beating standard.
It’s beyond a military solution and you can’t have a political solution with the thieving nest of vipers and taliban sympathisers in Kabul. No meaningful political civilian infrastructure to enforce the rule of law outside (or even inside now) Kabul means this war is now little more than horsetrading between the coalition forces and the warlords the taliban the Pashtun seperatists the mullahs and all the other factions who don’t give a crap about anything other than their own fiefdoms and provincial and religious power bases.
If you’ve fewer carriers you don’t need so many eurofighters to put on them.
YAAAAYYY!!!
I’ll bet they’ll feel like they did in 1939 when they got the signal “Winston’s Back”. Hold on lads not too long now.
Disco dickhead – the eurofighter can’t operate off carriers. Wasn’t designed to and short of a massive redesign, never will.
Grayling was always a bit of a duffer and this is the proof.
Spouting off without knowing the facts is becoming a habit for this bubmbling slaphead.
As for Dannatt, looks like Dave thinks he can tame Dannatt or perhaps Dave thinks he can keep an unpopular quagmire going for 5 years with no money in the kitty at home and the public or Dannatt will be fine with that.
Dannatt isn’t going to magically stop the bodies coming home.
No but Dannatt is a bloody minded individual who is known to ferociously look after his men.
Cameron’s appointment is a clever move to make sure that the troops have a voice in government that will fight for them and their needs.
The next move is for Cameron to say that after the next election he waill have a War Cabinet that keeps a daily check on the war and the welfare and needs of our troops.
Only this Labour Government has refused to have a War Cabinet despite the fact that we are at War.
In every other war we have ever waged the government has had a War Cabinet that met daily.
Spot on !
Lets be honest though, in the broad scheme of wars of the past 100 years it is rather a little war.
Here’s what a proper fucking war looks like…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Somme
Now THATS a fucking war.
20,000 British dead in one day. 60,000 casualties. And the UK population half what it is today.
Now I wouldn’t want to be in the army. Nor would I want to go to Afghanistan. And the steady trickle of casualties is very sad but you do have to put daily war cabinets into context.
The IRA were probably killing more Brits in their heyday than Johnny Afghan.
92 years ago on this very night in Passchendaele Belgium my grandfather died, blown up probably by an incoming mortar shell. HIs family were left impoverished and homeless. My mother, now 94, still grieves for what happened then. Her grief drove me to Belgium to walk the battlefield where he fell.
The truth is whether it is a ‘little’ war or a ‘big’ one, the impact on individual families is great and lasts for generations.
And I believe categorically that if a government decides to go to war then it should, at the very least, have a war cabinet that meets daily to look at what’s happening and to do the absolute very best for the troops it is putting in that war and for the families that are left grieving for them.
This labour government has done neither. It doesn’t give a toss for the troops and it cares less for the their families.
Sorry for your story nell but it is the knowledge that no British government gives a shit for its troops that disabused me of a life in the army.
I believe there are some great uncles of mine kciking about in the mud somewhere there too.
A short wander around the Commonwealth war graves is enough to make a grown man weep. I shall be parading my son around there when he’s about fourteen or fifteen to drive the point home.
So-and-so, Moose Jaw, Canada, aged 19.
Some-other-poor-fucker, Gooberpeddy, Australia, aged 20.
Utterly fucking tragic.
Sorry Nell but the best defence against imbecile governments is not to join up.
But I take your point about this evil government.
Desperate to have a ‘feel good’ war in Iraq they hitched their cart to the imbecile Bush and they deserve nothing but our undying contempt. And then, to protect his kids from idiots like himself Blair then goes and gets ‘em (neutral) Irish passports.
The evil, warmongering fucking bastard.
Nell, you’re right. Out of sight out of mind but look at the equipment the police have and yet they can’t deal with young hoodie vermin. I bet their equipent is state of the art. Body kit, high power guns, flash new cars, reinforced vans, choppers. Rightly perhaps but when they ask they get because they are visible.
Reading about the Guardsman who died on Monday – this from his commanding officer: ‘His experience and cool head reassured the younger, less experienced Guardsmen and set their minds at ease as they began to come to terms with the task at hand.’ Older and more experienced, I assumed. He was 20.
I agree with Nell’s sentiments, as my family suffered the loss of my grandfather, my father and my uncle in successive World Wars.
A war requires the full commitment of the prime minister and not the abject dithering of the present incumbent.
On many issues, this government lacks any strategic insight as its sole political purpose was to get elected.
This is a disastrous failing when a nation is at war as soldiers should feel that the political leadership has properly thought through what the aims and objectives are.
The young men who are dying in our nation’s service are each worth much more than the abject cringing politicians who sent them there who place their own political survival above the best interests of our service men and women.
It’s so desperately sad.
Poppy Day is a month away. Remember to give very generously and always wear your poppies with pride. I can’t imagine how Brown has the affront to appear at the Cenotaph.
Nell.
If I,m correct I think the tories have already said this,but I stand to be corrected.
So Afghanistan is going to become popular because Dannatt is appointed ? Don’t think so somehow.
He might have the troops best interests at heart but he won’t be in charge of the purse strings and with spending being cut to the bone Dave had best be sure he won’t savage him like he did Brown.
A fair bit of political naivety on show here.
Afghanistan a quagmire. Saying it isn’t World War 2, 1 or any historic battle didn’t work for Iraq and it certainly won’t work here.
Relative troop death numbers only work as an academic exercise.
This isn’t 92 years ago.
The public aren’t going to think Wooton Bassett is an acceptable sight for 5 more years when there is nothing even close to a coherent reason for the carnage or massive costs of this pointless war from any source.
On one news prog – C4? It was reported that several high up army ex colleagues aren’t too happy with Dannatt taking the Tory shilling, claiming it goes against forces impartiality. Something like that. Didn’t quite catch it as I was mid channel surf.
Channel4 News – the TV version of the Grauniad.
They were the ones who tried to turn the necessary secrecy about Harry’s active service into a ‘freedom of the press’ non-issue.
OK then Channel 4… where are all your brave war correspondents dodging bullets and IEDs alongside our lads? Eh? Eh?
Not a fucking sausage as far as Channel 4 are concerned — they may as well be fighting on Mars.
They probably don’t like the fact that they might be taking instructions from him next year. They can bullshit a civilian politician but not one who used to be a general in the British Army.
Good news, yes, but… Let him stand for the Commons. We have had enough of back door appointments.
Oh I don’t know about that
Oooh, you’re a bit like God or Health and Safety aren’t you? Omnipresent but no-one remembers you’re there until you slip something in.
The subtext being that the troops will remain in Afghanistan, fighting and dying, after May 2010. For what…? Certainly not the liebore BS. Maybe it’s a good place to run an oil pipeline. Maybe it’s a good place prospectively from which to bomb lots of other adjacent countries. I don’t know. Santa Obama can’t decide if he’s going to do a Johnson, so he doesn’t know either.
To stop the Taliban infiltrating into Pakistan and getting a nuclear weapon or three. That’s why.
If Chris Grayling is Shawow Home Sec, why would he necessarily be kept in the loop about Defence matters? You’d expect Shadow Defence and possibly Foreign Secretaries to know early, and the news to be disseminated to others later.
I’d be more worried if Grayling hadn’t known about knife crime statistics or similar.
That said, if he didn’t know, he should have said in the interview that he didn’t know, maybe better to ask Shadow Defence bod.
Problem is Engineer if you don’t know the answer to the question then say so,not go into a load of claptrap otherwise people might think he will have to be reprogrammed and rebooted to official NuCon standards.
Don’t make excuses for him – it was a ballsup. It will all be forgotten tomorrow.
Many things get forgotten over time.
Gaffes all around to day. Beeb mishap in calling Cameron the Prime Minister, now Sky call Osborne the Chancellor.
It’s happening – it’s real !
The Tories will form the next government
Rejoice Rejoice Rejoice
We are overjoyed !
Yes we will get the reality government we deserve
Premature celebration will make their ultimate defeat turn to ashes in their mouths.
Worked out for me in the end.
Sheffield’s Aaall-right Neil!
What about the “cardassian” crossed with the “White Witch” dress that could not tell the difference between the current PM and the shadow chancellor.
Cameron might or might not have a referendum.
Osborne’s we’re all in it together,except us.
Grayling doesn’t know what day it is.
Oh dear. It’s all unraveling before our eyes.
Who’s going to give the “Well Aww Right!” moment tomorrow
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Breaking News: Chris Grayling a gimmick
http://newslion.blogspot.com/
Strangest story of the day, Ben Bradshaw accused the BBC of being feeble and biased. I agree. But, no, he meant biased in favour of the Tories! Ben Bradshaw shows our very fragile his grasp on reality is, the very last thing the BBC would ever do is promote the Conservatives.
It’s a conspiracy. Ben Bradshaw is trying to plant the thought in the tories’ and public’s mind that the BBC is right wing. That way when Cameron wins the next election he will leave the beeb alone thinking it’s friendly.
And Ben Bradshaw having saved the beeb’s bacon and being unemployable anywhere else will be offered a job with ….? Yes you have it the Beeb!
Let’s hope Dave has a bit more grey matter than Ben Bradshaw.
I can’t stand the man.
He’s like a Hain, always leaves you thinking you need a shower. Looks like a scrub wouldn’t hurt him either.
Caustic soda and a wire brush.
Chris Grayling
Had one quite important failing.
Being out of the loop
Left him rather in the soup.
Piss off Wad, I’m top troll here! Or are you me? Or am I you? Mummmmmmmyyyy!!!!
You are not me. I suspect you are my cook’s wayward lovechild, over whom she sheds so many tears.
..as she minced him into the soup.
So Grayling’s solution to all our woes is to tax us more? Sack the Cuηt Dave . NOW!!!!
I do believe there is a case for bringing back David Davis quite soon ready for the GE.
YES PLEASE. NOW THAT WOULD UNITE THE PARTY.
All the Grayling incident tells me is that there was a slight lack of communication. Not very difficult during Conference week, I imagine.
I wonder if Michael White was still asleep whilst all this was going on ?
He always looks as though he’s permamently asleep. He never says anything which interests me.
And it is contagious !! Check this out !!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/2009/10/another_gaffe.html
Ah, Toenails seeing the writing on the wall, after all…
Blimey! I’m not counting my chickens yet, though.
He might have had a turn.
Toenails trying desparately to erase the writing from the wall…
Wonder if he’ll erase “accidently” and substitute “accidentally”.
Silly billies, these BBC gaffers.
If General Dannatt is such a genius, why aren’t we winning?
Commanders always say they need more troops and equipment.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaigns/our_boys/2671029/Battle-of-Britain-Spitfire-rap-by-Army-chief.html
The truth is the RAF would have lost the Battle of Britain if they had been governed by the extreme incompetence, laziness and indifference which this Labour government displays towards our military.
Its hardly a shining example of correct kit.
Various production issues meant that rather than shiny fast new spitfires, BofB was mainly fought with the older, slower hurricane.
Some poor sods even fought in highly flammable biplanes.
The fact it’s a biplane doesn’t mean it has to be flammable, and the few Gloster Gladiators around weren’t signifcant participants in the battle.
There were problems with getting enough equipment into place and pilots trained, but the lessons of preparedness are never learnt. The useful lesson was the one about delaying fighting the battle under you are at least half-ready – remember though that this is easier said than done when you are on the receiving end (eg WWII), but very easy when you are in control of the timetable (eg Afghanistan).
Tally Ho!
Who says we are not winning? Who knows? Losing men unnecessarily is not the same as losing. The Taliban are not winning that is for sure.
There are no clear defined objectives so how do you measure if we are winning or not? But in any case it is for the politicians not the generals to define those.
Read it from the front line. We are losing!
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/two-firefights-one-video.htm
Thanks again for the links to Michaelyon
So what if were losing and about to get are useless arses kicked. Remember it’s not the winning or losing that matters but the taking part.
America will need someone to blame when the ignominious defeat finally arrives. Who better then to blame their not so reliable ally whose army they had to continually rescue and who lost control of the zone they were supposed to control. We had to send all are Chinooks to save the hapless under equipped British and our GI’s therefore paid the price. You read it here first in 2 year’s time the British and their despicable and cowardly EU cohorts will have caused the second Vietnam.
All of this means we are FUCKED
They will all look after each other in this house of common bastards
WE ARE ALL FUCKED
According to George we’re all fucked together.
He’s not wrong.
There is something very fishy about this Chris Grayling fellow and I can’t quite put my finger on it.
Do you think it’s because he sings Bass?
Then again, he might actually be a Finn.
I’m told someone came out of the Gents this morning and complained to staff that ‘there was an awful Tench in there’.
I reckon that, before long, ee’l have to go.
[I'll get my coat!]
To Lady of the Stream.
Yes I like the fishy bit.
Grayling:- Genus Salmo Thymallus member of the salmon family,Thymallus derives from when you catch it,it has a definite smell of Thyme,bit of useless info,hope Alex doesn,t catch on!!!!.
Pound for pound, cheaper than a Eurofighter.
The fun of broken threads. I can’t work out what the question to this answer is.
I do know however, that £/lb would seem a poor measure for a plane. Coz planes need to be light. A heavy cheap plane would be a bus. Hope Michael O’Leary isnt reading this.
No, this is not about Grayling not being kept in the loop. The fact that he feels the need to rubbish the appointment of Dannatt when he is thinks it is a New Labour appointment and then praises it when it turns out to be his own party, just indicates how shallow and venal these people are.
A virulent pox on the lot of them. They really are exponents extraordinaire of the sin of solitude.
Heard that suppurating malignancy Foulkes on Radio 4 making the most of the opportunity handed to him on a plate by Dave.
I suspect Dannatt may well be an honest man. Too bad there is not a spoon long enough, that he may not have to sup alone.
Hear Hear. Pox the lot.
Are all your thread logics fucked Guido or is it just my pute using IE8?
Thread’s fucked, not just you. (Firefox 3.5 on Mac)
It happens occasionally, most likely a bug of some sort in WordPress or Guido’s code.
Have the tories not heard of blackberries – I know I know they have a terrible reputation but they do get a message round bloody quickly (and I am an iphone user,but the reception is crap with O2 (should be renamed shit2).
Dave this is war. Get your troops up to speed FFS.
Actually Brad…it’s not a war.
Whats going on in Helmand is a war.
What we have here is a bunch of condescending,self absorbed,lying hoons attempting to convince a nation of feckless dullards that they are,in some magical way,more interested in them than the last lot.
Did nobody else laugh hollowly as Osborne tiresomely repeated his droning mantra of “we are all in this together”?
None of these hoons are in it with the plebs,they are as insulated from the realities of living in UKPLC as ever.
We should only pay these hoons the national average wage to focus their minds a little,it would seem that the intoxicating world of ‘politics’ is such a distraction that they only ever manage to achieve the square root of fuck all.*
*Or even less than fuck all if they happen to be fat,former marxist,Hitler-a-like.
An interesting suggestion, but one likely to recreate the former House of Lords in the Commons. Only those with substantial private incomes, or power-hungry maniacs willing to gain influence for minimum wage, would stand for office.
Given the “feckless dullards” who are currently backbench lobby fodder, it might be worth considering…
Given that they are all in the same building, there’s another cunning plan.
They could talk to each other.
That’s too simple – some could be in the toilets,some in the knocking shop,some in the betting shop and some in the sex shop.
More 4 at 9pm When Boris Met Dave
Enjoy it dudes. Got to be better than when Gordon met Doom.
Dunno where they filmed the “re-enactment” bits but it sure aren’t Oxford or any of its colleges. Well done to Oxford University in not letting the pesky film crew in.
Not much on Boris or Dave yet, just a bunch of boring farts talking about their own mis-spent times at Oxford. Don’t think the programme will mention that Boris was a Brakenbury Scholar and Dave left Oxford with a brilliant first.
‘Morse’ used Ealing (“The Queen of London’s suburbs”) to stand in for Oxford towards the end of its run. Not sure where they did this one but your sentiments are applauded.
From the still flashed up after C4 news it looked a bit like Highgate school
The nonentity Toby Young was wittering on a bit. He is a miserable little left-wing git.Some others jealous that they hadn’t been invited to join the boys of Bullingdon.Totally ridculous silly piece of film if ever there was one.
It looked a bit like the Inner Temple to me — used to work there.
The film didn’t work as a spoiler though… what’s not to like?
Intelligent, funny, handsome, rich, charming… made them look like rock stars compared to the dreary, officious little union reps, teachers and council clerks which are all Labour have to offer.
Yes, their damaging revelation was that David Cameron was really cool as a student and when he wasn’t being cool he watched Going for Gold or looked after his Rasta friend’s children. I’m sure that’s going to him lots of damage when the election comes. A boring non-event of a television programme, aimed for those too lazy or too illiterate to read Francis Elliott and James Hanning’s excellent biography of DC.
one of those? incompetent bummers?
God help us.
If this is to be the calibre of tory campaigns then we really are caught between a rock and a hard place.
Where the fuck is Brown anyway?
Last I heard he was cowering under the table in the cabinet room because mandy had lost his temper over the failure of gordon’s talks to resolve policing difficulties in Northern Ireland on Monday.
Time to buy a few more Nokia shares then? Might be a few flying as Dave speaks tomorrow too!
Foukes is upset anyway
http://deadlinescotland.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/former-army-chief-sir-richard-dannatt-accused-of-being-tory-stooge-194/
smear away Labour
OT but I think Gordon is doing a wonderful job and Tony will be a great president and so will you when you read this ..
http://wikileaks.org/wiki/EU_social_network_spy_system_brief%2C_INDECT_Work_Package_4%2C_2009
Dave shows how to get out of a sticky situation.
Latest You Gov – post Osborne speech.
CON 43% (+2) LAB 29% (+1) LD 17%(-1)
Gordons bouncing back. Be afraid,be very afraid. When he’s returned to power in may,those videos of Saddam’s coronation,and denouncing of opponents who left the hall for the execution squads,will be re-enacted
What was the You Gov poll prior to the European Elections? Was its predictions correct?
Actually I have some sympathy with Chris.
if Brown, who in Dannatt has said has refused to increase troop numbers, was to appoint him it most likely would be to try to silence him. Now if as an incoming government you appoint someone like Dannatt to say over see improvements in Defense procurement (after all he knows were the problems are) then all plaudits to you. The boots on the ground know that they have someone fighting for them, we know he’ll work to ensure that they get the kit and he can now kick those bureaucrats who block the kit getting out there.
Very good point.
eh up lads , had a bad night other night , went to pride of briton awards and guess who was there ?
just being cheeky ( CHEERS GUIDO LAD) plugging my foundation below
http://www.affoundation.co.uk/
Er, Nelson Mandella?
well and truly hoisted
apologies if already posted Yougov poll taken AFTER Osborne’s speech
CON 43% (+2) LAB 29% (+1) LD 17%(-1)
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/
Bit unfortunate for chris , nice chap , HQ already not kicking him , another two minutes and it would have all been different .
see what NN has to splurge
Grayling’s a mug. The chavs will be pissing themselves laughing at his “Short,Sharp,Shock price increase”
The Dannatt smears have started from Labour but apparently they are absolutely furious at the moment so it will be worth it. No doubt he will be accused of undermining the effort in ‘stan’ etc etc you knnow the normal drill
“In an astonishing attack by Labour Peer George Foulkes last night, the former Chief of General Staff was accused of being disloyal by “colluding” with the Conservatives in a bid to undermine the sitting Government.
Speaking from Edinburgh, Lord Foulkes said: “All this time it has been understood that anytime he has given comment on Government defence decisions it was as an independent military spokesperson.
“In fact he is now exposed as having been colluding with the Tory Party all the way along. This shows that he was being encouraged by the Tories throughout. He has been working with them hand in glove.”
http://deadlinescotland.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/former-army-chief-sir-richard-dannatt-accused-of-being-tory-stooge-194/
What happened to old soldiers just fading away? Perhaps he thinks he’s Wellington.
Well – Labour should have offered him a job then.
First come…..
They don’t need any help,they can undermine themselves perfectly well.
Phil woolas on newsnight,what a slimy little fart.
Phil Woolas is the most odious man in the Labour party and there is a lot of competition for that crown.
Yeah,but he’s an animal in bed.
Up the rear ,dear?
Surprise, suprise Newsnight lead on the Grayling gaffe. Crick getting over -excited. Phill Woolas is a totally chump. Bob Stewart telling it like it is.
We have to pray that the Tories soon will realise that they are at their best when Gordumb does the talking.
A McFuckwit is the best weapon the Dave could hope for.
And he has got one too.
Daves best weapon is keeping his trap shut. As soon as he opens it,he fires blanks.
Dannat has played straight into Labours hands,and has given the brummie hobgoblin Woolas,ammo to fire at him that everything he’s ever said was political. If that’s Camerons idea of an good move,he’s no commander.
People don’t care about the political stuff — they’re just glad a respected soldier has been taken on board given a hearing and will be speaking up for our boys and getting them what they need.
Dannat has asked and I dare say, pleaded with Labour for equipment and supplies for years and was turned down or muffled, so why the fuck shouldn’t he go elsewhere for support if it get his men into a better place?
Agreed.
Just seen Phil Woolas on newsnight,what a slimy looking fart.
Anonymous.
You are the person on this site who talks in a mainly logical manner,whilst I dont agree with some of what you say ie:- flippant, a lot of what you say is logical to me,thanks for the imput.
I am sure we will cross swords on some things but thats what opinions are all about.
A little speculative BLOG post on Cameron’s speech tomorrow…have a quick glance
http://ddtaylor88.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/cameron-the-statesman/
Cameron’s going to announce the signing of Ronaldo,Kaka and Messi.
But it’s not a gimmick. It’s a policy initative.
The more I see of Gordon Brown the more repulsive he becomes.
Roll on the general election when we can remove this disgusting creep from power and stop him doing any more damage to this country.
One disgusting creep down,645 to go.
One disgusting creep down,645 to go.
Saw Brown and his wife on Pride of Britain awards last night. Once again the rude, disrespectful, man turned up with his tie done up like a 10 year old’s. What is it with this specimen that he thinks that’s OK?
Lots of good stuff in the awards to wind him up as well -
1) under-equipped soldiers in Afghanistan carrying injure colleagues across deserts on foot (no more helicopters needed then Mr Brown?),
2) fund raisers for military charities needed because the Brown government has let them down,
3) mis-diagnosed cancer patients trying to help others avoid the same fate, and
4) best of all that film of Lumley dictating to Woollas how the Gurkha situation was going to be resolved.
All good Nokia-throwing moments for Brown as he had to watch stories of inspiring and truly brave individuals try to correct his legacy.
The interesting thing was that it was sponsored by the Mirror and the Co-Op, so even his own side don’t mind giving him a kicking.
aye, – jus’ like Bliar, – an’ me, – tha’ Tories will tax a’ tha’ pleasures of the poor.
It’ll be jus’ the rich tha’ hae’ all tha’ plisure, – as always.
Cos we can affor’ tha’ posh stuff!
Noo bugga off wi’ye!!
That Teresa May’s a fit bird for her age.
I have some understanding of regulation and markets, and people and cultures. Also, I’ve taken a leading position on this for over the past year which folks can check if they want to waste some time. So, policy and popular understanding is really just shifting behind where I was from the get-go. Help yourself to the biscuit barrel.
Be sti11, gr@$$h0pper.
Good God, Charles. Do you ever stop blowing your own trumpet?
does anyone think it’s a good idea for secure hospital inmates to have access to the internet?
You have to admire his stamina, if nothing else. And I mean nothing else. It’s not just here he posts this drivel, you can find it on Toenails’ blog, labourlist, al over the place. He’s a one man speakers’ corner.
You have to admire his stamina, if nothing else. And I mean nothing else. It’s not just here he posts this nonsense, you can find it on Toenails’ blog, labourlist, all over the place. He’s a one man speakers’ corner.
Hey, – trust me, – I’m a straight kinda guy!
Hey, – trust me, – I’m a straight, kinda….aye!
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Funny how Grayling looks so much like Home Simpson… Doh!
Just listened to Grayling’s speech.
Nice to know the nanny state is alive and well.
A lot of repetition of what is currently Labour policy, and trying to pretend it’s new Conservative policy.
Nothing new other than increased taxes on alcohol.
Empty rhetoric.
Tedious in the extreme.
This really is a storm in a tea cup. The BBC have been running with the Chris Grayling boob all day as if it was something of importance. As usual they have blown it up out of all proportion because it was good Tory bashing.
Just confirms the continuing pro New Labour approach of our taxpayer funded state broadcaster.
You know what? I don’t listen to BBC News anymore. I’d never have thought I’d be writing that 15 years ago, but it’s true, ditto Channel 4.
I simply take neither of them seriously and all trust is gone, if they said the sun was yellow and the grass was green, I’d have to check.
Agreed about bbc
Sky were worse. No one seems to mention that.
Watched Newsnight. Thought the coverage of Graylinggate subdued and disinterested. Paxo gave that grubby looking weasel Woolas a hard time over his attempts to stir the shit. Even Crick not particularly venomous, as though even he knows it’s all up for The New Labour Experiment and whatever gaffes the Tories let slip is but a drop in the ocean compared to the humungous criminality and corruption of the rotten incumbents, the unloved, unwanted, over-staying the welcome they never had, Broon Gang.
Tories make gaffes here and there, look a bit cheesy but they also look human. Look as though they mean well, trying to play it straight. Not perfect by any means, but nowhere near the calculating evil of the Broon Gang, Britain’s Organised Crime Government.
Uninterested, not disinterested. Otherwise fair comment, especially Woolas the weasel. Nearly as horrible as Liam Byrne.
I also heard that buffoon Lord Foulkes-sake make a complete tit of himself on Radio Five-lies over comments he made about the General. What an arsehole.
The Labour Government= Sleaze Inc.
blogsphere hasnt really taken to Chris Graylings alco price solution , i thought it was sensible in that it didnt hit the pubs , but then it is the price not the tax that is to do with supermarket hooloigan , its £2.70 for a pint at my local for £12 i can buy 24 cans of 5% at supermarket , but then if you look at at violence its cheap drink pre night out and then being able to drink until you physically cant .
In CW yoof I enjoyed a drink , and merry it was too , at 11pm that was it and you either went onto a club which chucked you out if they thought you were trouble or you went home . if you were trouble at your local then pub owner barred you . Beer at supermarkets was just unsocial except for a party , but it wasnt cheap either . Also becomming a drunk was a sort of failiure , not a lot of violence and useually plenty of laughs .
Some thing has definitely changed .
Michael Gove bit on £100 million being spent on curriculum advisors (for Eds ever improving stats business) was very funny despite it being a tradgey , but at least he is having a think about turning these schools round and making them back into centers of learning and not outlets for gansta culture.
Grandpa caesars would be weeping if he saw what labour had done in some places .
Sort of evens things up a bit for labour , see what cameron pulls out of the bag tommorow , conference has been quite a mix and the fringe events have had some real politics , despite what MSM have put out , CW has been impressed with some of the thinking even if it wasnt always my flavour with blair agenda still being worshiped in some places , but at least they are thinking and perhaps it will shape up neaer election time .
Sorry off topic, but i am in need of some advice.
Is there a method by which one can get a comment, however inane and non conspiratorial past the mods at CIF, because it seems it is now a virtually closed shop?
Do you need to have to suck one of the authoritarian bastards cocks, or does money have to change hands?
I’m afraid it’s cock-sucking all the way AtlasShrugged.
Despite what they say, they dont’ mind outright abuse so much; it’s cogent and direct arguments that rip their fairy tales to shreds that they cannot stand.
Och aye the noo janny. Couldnae agree mare.
Off topic, but so what:
Dr Evil and Mini me
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/08/article-1218897-06BD435E000005DC-785_233x423.jpg
Keep Suffolk tidy – send a Londoner home.
But in return you can keep the odious, grossly obese, smug lying cow Baroness Billingham of Smog.
JOINED UP THINKING – NOT
SAME THING APPLIES TO THE LISBON TREATY
Prince Charles catching a Canadian military lift for his tour of Canada to save money.
Now lets see how much money the New Labour infestation has squandered on official flights.
Will it fly here to pick him up first, and then drop him home at the end of his trip?
Sorry this is O/T Guido but let’s talk about the national postal strike that’s now looming. Like lots of others I run a small business, although fortunately I can just about survive without Royal Mail. Others will inevitably go to the wall, particularly in a recession. What have we heard from our alleged government? Just a deafening silence. McBust has his head so far into the sand only his arse is showing. While this may be an attractive position for his bestest friend Lord Fondlebum, it spells disaster for our faltering recovery. The postal service has become expensive and unreliable, which is why in my business we go out of our way to find another way – scanning, other suppliers, even hand-delivery where we can; anything to avoid using the RM in fact, even though it may result in slightly higher cost., we can at least rely on these methods to get the job done.
I have just listened to some gobby union type threatening the country with his wretched strike. Where is ACAS in all this? Do they still exist? What do they cost the public purse? The best bet is surely to lock both sides in a room and throw away the key until they come to their senses.
Every Liebour government ends in financial and industrial chaos and this one is going the same way. What a pathetic, incompetent and spineless bunch they are.
Royal Mail doesn’t do its primary job well enough to warrant any help from the taxpayer. Our small business suffers from RM’s inability to run a postal re-direction that we have paid for (all sorts of important stuff was not delivered), early collection times, fewer collections, late morning deliveries, no second deliveries, no sunday collections, those “Sorry you weren’t in” cards if the postie has too much to carry. They should get all that sorted (pun intended) before worrying about anything else.
Solution is to copy the Reagan air traffic controller approach. Sack the ones who want a strike and remploy a new workforce on new terms. Job done.
Union dick was good wasn’t he? Took me right back to the 70s.
The thing is, this is what Labour governments produce, because the Unions hold the purse strings – it’s hardly novel.
What baffles me is why the mail can’t make money despite the rising volumes of *parcel* mail. Let ebay buy the whole shebang – integrate.
Good point on 70′s nostalgia. Expect Beeb will shortly roll out their “labour” correspondents again to stand at the back of the big crowd for the “show of hands” by “the lads” – all good democratic bullying.
FF is right wonder why they can’t make money – a complelety service-focused business would work wonders, but the current set-up is too often seen on the inside as being for the benefit of the workers rather than the customers. Same problem with teaching and NHS, although as always one or two fantastic people come to the rescue (our usual postie is superb, but only because she gets round the rules to give a much better service).
NHS, Royal Mail, Local Authorities, Passport Service – and all the rest of the of the so called public services, are run by dumb f*cks.
Why hasn’t Royal Mail set-up the best e-mail on the world? (sorry Carlsberg) One that a child in school or old person in a nursing home could use? One that integrates with package and parcels delivery? Bespoke, massively interactive, visually stunning, hugely efficient.
They make me sick, the lot of them. The sad fact is that they won’t go bust, so I don’t have to pay for them any more, they’ll just grind-on with increasing costs and deteriorating service.
We need a slash and burn approach to the public sector, and soon.
I don’t think the Royal Mail is allowed to setup email services.
Here’s what I would do – buy the whole shebang and fire half the posties, sorting staff the rest. Just for the hell of it really – you might not need to. But then deal with the *hassles* of the system – for instance, how often do you get a delivery while you’re out? How much time and money is wasted on both sides with that? So skim off all parcels, recorded deliveries etc – and route them via a web options panel for *every* household int he country, to either a delivery address of your choice 9-5 (ie work) or a collection office, or to your home at a specific time. Further; give people th eoption when they *buy* an online item to specify that it be held at their local office – sorting or PO or sub post office. Specify that you will *pay* for it there, if you like. Turn the PO into a fullfillment house – the goal is not to deliver to a house, the goal is to get it into the end user’s hands by any means. Think of it – it is an information lead business – or should be, yet deliveries are all blind. Would we send IP packets in this way?
You make POs the hub then, of delivery, pickup, *payments*, in-person identification – get back the credit card trade – isn’t this what the PO says they want, to deliver more services locally? So do it.
But what would be the single greatest block to realignment like this? Union twats like the above.
Good plan – can you set that up for start of Christmas rush please?
Something similar already running in some areas, but you collect from places that are open in the evening. £1 a go but it’s worth it for things you need in rush – works with couriers and post.
http://www.parcelpark.com/
OI !! We want a say in all this !
Last night’s BBC2 Newsnight portrayed Dannett as an unreliable subversive fifth-columnist mole planted by the Tories in the MOD. Newsnight suggested that Dannett pretended to be the soldier’s friend but in reality was attempting to undermine Gordon Brown’s efforts to give the British Army every resource they wanted.
Poor smearing labour , they can’t even do that successfuly.
Trouble for Labour is, Dannatt has an insider view of the shambles that calls itself the MoD – they’ll be terrified he’s going to reveal the shocking truth of how badly they operate and how little they care about the troops.
THey can smear all they want but who would you believe aintbustinigut and his motley crew of kevan and ffoolkes or General Dannatt?
well the MOD does empoly 89,000 civilians against the Army’s c100,000. I gather 88,500 are SPADs
You might have underestimated the SPAD count there, and the balance looks all wrong if you are claiming that there are actually MORE soldiers than MOD civilians.
How ‘special’ does that make any one of them if they total 85,000 in number?
The claim was 88,500 SPADS, not 85,000, but you still have a good point.
You get the impression this smear campaign was ready to roll – no doubt this is what Dannat has been complaining about recently; like any good soldier he was getting his retaliation in first.
And I want a weather map which shows Great Britain as a green and pleasant land, – not as a lump of bare brwon rock.
I suppose it’s to make it look more homely to effnics from mountainous regions.
Which station ?
Oh – sorry – AlJaBeeba, – the State Propaganda Arm of SocialShitism.
I had a really good shit this morning to clear my head, – and yes, I too hope there’s not much Bliarism left in there now.
Grayling was absolutely dreadful yesterday.
Yeah-yesterday’s news. Where is Mr Fawkes today??
I didn’t know that you wurzles in East Anglia had TV.
We believe in a fair society.
Everyone should have a chance to be firmly under Mzzz. Ho Ho Ho – HaHaHa – Person.
Labour have always hated the armed services. In the 1930s they did everything they could to sabotage the effore to re-arm and meeet the threat from the Nazis. They will never change their spots.
Just caught highlights of the welfare debate. Interesting to see David Freud be welcomed into the clan.
Who voted for him?
What is his constituency?
Someone drafted in by new labour to assess the welfare programmes in three weeks without any previous knowledge – an expert indeed – now being adopted by the Tories for the same …. what’s all that about then?
What are the Tories going to do to welfare? Disband it all together? Sounds like they want to get everyone, unemployed and disabled alike back to work even though there’s only about 400, 000 vacancies? How does % million go into 400,000????
And how disabed do you have to be to be free from government harrassment to find a job? Dead maybe??
What’s this really all about? Further attacks on the poor? the working class? What?? This by politicians who see no problem in behaving corruptly? Of abusing and misusing the public purse unaccountably???
I think it’s about time the public got rid of all these expensive time wasters. Do we really need them????
And how disabed do you have to be to be free from government harrassment to find a job? Dead maybe??
Yup. Or on your own income. Why not? If people *can* work, they should. See St Paul.
Tell me, if you would, why alcoholics and skagheads get disability living allowance?
you are so right Frank
it’s good to see your equalitarian qualities come to the fore
tell me,
how come, in the small office, the young man with a learning disability is ignored by all the women because they think he’s weird?
how come the disabled woman in the training team always gets the training jobs with disabled people?
how come the senior director with bi-polar disorder never gets the top job his experience and training suits him for?
What’s st paul got to do with anything?
One of the problems we have is that the welfare budget is huge, and cutting it – along with all the other budgets – just has to happen. Nobody had any wish to cut support from people who genuinely can’t work to support themselves, but we all know that there are quite a few piss-takers out there, and I deeply resent paying high taxes for them to laze about all day. If people are capable of earning their own living, they should make the effort.
Unemployment is a problem at the moment, but there are jobs being done by immigrants and economic migrants that some of our own might do. It’ll take time to balance things, but it makes economic sense to do so.
If we got rid of all politicians (and yes, they are all imperfect), what system do we use to collectively govern ourselves? The present system is imperfect, but it’s better than anything anybody else has come up with, and we do get the chance to incrementally improve it – the Telegraph did so by highlighting the expenses scandal. Even the troughers had to recognise that they needed to improve.
Couldn’t agree more. Dismantling McBust’s ‘client state’ and the vastly bloated and wasteful public services will be difficult and painful, but until it’s done the wealth-creating private secotor is stuck with this parasitic monster which is sucking the life-blood out of our economy.
Here’s a perfect anaology for what the Public Service looks like:
What about Titfer’s brilliant Democracy of Independents where they make up policy as they go along? Every Saturday night on the tele instead of the Lottery we could pull balls out of a goldfish bowl and hey presto that indicates the policy for following week. And on ITV we could have an X Factor show for independent MPs each trying to woo the TV audience with his idea for the health service or welfare and we could all get to phone in. The phone-ins cost 50p a minute and can be set off against your income tax.
@ Engineer / 452
“and I deeply resent paying high taxes for them to laze about all day”
Does your resentment explain why the tiny little problem of squeezing 5 million people into 600 000 jobs never ever gets acknowledged as impossible ?
Please explain how 600 000 / 5 000 000 = 1.
I think you’ll find that the real maths = 0.12 job per person, and how does that workout ?
Incedently, those 600 000 jobs are mostly hard labour for less money than minimum benefits, the working conditions are harsh and often dangerous to health, life expectancy discrepancies of aroud 15 – 20 years say it all, they are “lazy” , say the exploiters and beneficiaries of the current status quo. No, they just want a slice of the pie, instead of, at most, the crumbs and the washing up to do, ‘and do the floor when finished lazy arse” – shit deal = fuck off. Fuck off !!! I am not your white slave, and never will be !!!!
No? And we’re not your white fucking slaves either. Working and paying taxes so you can sit on your fucking arse watching Trisha.
@ jgm2
Impossible mathematical question ignored as usual, and I don’t watch any trisha type crap.
Is it my fault you feel like a slave ? I am responsible, but the MPs that made the situation are in the clear as usual.
Back to the never ever acknowledged 600 000 / 5 000 000 = 1 factor again. Face this reality please.
I would like to see bigger fairer slices of pie for those that deserve it, and less pie for the snouts in trough, do very little for it types, a fairer distribution of wealth throughout society for real, not bullshit communism, but a less glaring contrast that resembles the 21st slave trade.
And these five million layabouts could have taken the jobs that the Eastern Europeans were quite happy to do.
And pay taxes doing it too.
Several million Eastern European ‘whhite slaves’ picking vegetables, carrying hods, serving in restaurants, paying taxes because the indigenous idlers are making a ‘stand’ against ‘white slavery’?
I’d cure 50% of those fuckers from their ‘invalidity’ or ‘incapacity’ with a single stroke of the pen.
There’s fuck all wrong with you pal. Here’s your vouchers for the soup kitchen.
Extinct Lemmings – You did not read my post, did you? where did I suggest that 5,000,000 jobseekers will go into 600,000 vacancies? Read my second paragraph again.
White slave? I think you’ll find that slavery is illegal, and has been for quite a while.
Unsafe jobs? If you know of any, report them to the HSE. Health and Safety legislation is there to protect people, not to kill them.
Hard work? There are not many jobs that require genuinely hard labour nowadays, most of the activities that made labour hard have been mechanised or outlawed.
You give the impression that work is an opportunity for people to turn up when they feel like it, doss around all day and throw sickies whenever it suits. If that’s your attitude to life, life is going to badly disappoint you. You only get out what you put in, and by the sounds of it, you aren’t prepared to put much effort in.
Why should hard-working people subsidise the lazy?
Mr Engineer, I have re-read post as advised, from what I gather you are implying that the solution involves British people doing the jobs that the Europeans and others do at present.
I am in full agreement with you, as the stat is about 80% of all jobs created under N.L. have not gone to the British. But the reality on the ground, is that we are in the EU, and nothing can alter the ‘flow of workers’ laws and rights. Let’s deal with is instead of if.
Yes, slavery is illigal, so are a lot of things that actually happen, the principle of working for nothing or practically nothing, is why I use the word slavery. I am not alone, this term was used in a Westminster select commitiee Q&A session on the subject of immigration in the UK.
Unsafe jobs, the life expectancy factor for manual workers is 15 – 20 years less than a quango pen pusher job. I never said HSE were there to kill people, I am quotting Nat Stats based on death certificsates.
Hard work. I’ve done plenty of 70 hour weeks in the past, and seen some truely awful legal working conditions. The BBC have done quite a few reports on the awful conditions for polish workers, things are not that rosy.
Your last paragra is about the impression I left you with, I do not hold any of the views you list, I am pro-work and onwards and upwards we go, I just want to earn more than a survival rations.
“Why should hard-working people subsidise the lazy?”
They should not, in a perfect world. But letting them starve to death in the streets, whilst handing out 10 Billion in foreign aid, is a little ungrateful, given their linage and WWi & WWII sacrifices. Remember ?
My statement about not being a white slave is similiar, you resent free loaders, I resent the freeloader exploitation system.
e.g. Stawberry sells for £1.68 at Wimbledon (each).
Euro worker gets paid £2 to pick 10 Kilo of strawberries.
Excessive profits for the sharholders, excessive poverty for the cotton picker. £2 per 10 Kilo comes from R4 program about it.
Still not your (£2 per 10 Kilo) cotton picker, and never will be. Make it worth doing, re-adjust the £1.68 per strawberry profit, and I might be tempted.
I’m not suggesting welfare should not be managed, and managed well. The problem for me is that it seems that the distinction between being disabled and being unemployed is narrowing, thereby presenting disabled people with a real problem and worry about their status.
There’s no doubt people play the system but does that mean that recognised disabled people have to suffer? Many disabled people work, run their own businesses etc. Many would like to but are seen as unemployable. Nothing happens to employers who discriminate. Some disabled people will always be unable to work as we define it but are nevertheless valuable members of society. Alas, this current approach suggests that disabled people are all scroungers. Where are the safeguards for them as all the culling goes on? Is it acceptable for them to live below the poverty line? Is it acceptable that they are abused by the system?
The state is too large but shouldn’t we be careful about who exactly are the miscreants here?
The clue from the Tories is their commitment to reduce the number of MPs by 10%.
That tells you everything you need to know about what reduction in headcount we can expect from the rest of the civil service.
Personally I’d prefer 20%.
But it’s a start.
My brother is quite badly autistic, yet manages to hold down two private-sector jobs – yes, he gets a council flat (which he pays rent for) and some benefits, but he is also paying his tax & NI. He does need some support from family & (understanding) employers to keep it all going, but if he can do it, I am sure there are plenty of the Jeremy Kyle fanbase who could as well.
Rivaldo – If you are genuinely incapable of working, you’ll still be supported by the rest of us (i.e., the state), and none of us will begrudge one penny.
Discrimination? Yeah – tell me about it – it happens. I’m (more or less) able bodied, but I’ve experienced discrimination, unfairness, bad luck. It happens in life – nobody said it was going to be fair all the time. Get over it – move on. Do what you can in life.
Sorry to put it as bluntly as this, but experience has proved it to me. Life’s tough. Get used to it.
O/T but I see the Speaker of the Irish parliament has resigned over his ‘lavish expenses’ and Berlusconi has spent 150,000,000 keeping cases about him out of the courts.
Troughing.Corruption. Fine EU initiatives.
You lot should winge. When I first went to Norway the cross-eyed bloke who installed my decoder was also the presenter of the local station. Highlight of the week was TV bingo with top prizes like a sleeping bag donated by the local camp shop. National TV wasn’t much better: you could watch stuff like how they collect bull semen for AI. Jeez after a few weeks I was pining for the Anna Fords.
So was the bull
Very good!
Stopped shopping at Co_Op after they installed a big green button on the check-out that b I had to press if I bought a newspaper or booze.
It was to confirm that I was ‘over 18′ or some such b ollocks.
terrible thing was that all the other sheeple meekly pressed it.
I walked out leaving ‘me’ stuff on the check out.
Plus Co-Op donate to Labour (they also have an affiliated party)…
I only ever shop there if it is the very last resort.
we just had new “self service” tills at morriosons, i said if i want to be served by a computer i would stay at home and do it on the net , plus the Qs are longer and they are shit
Morrisons.
ASDA food at Waitrose prices.
Morrisons steak pies are superb
The fresh produce is good though, meat, fish, fruit and veg (or so my domsetic staff tell me).
Your domestic staff are confused Sir Waad. Trust me. Crap food at outrageous prices. Probably no competing supermrakets locally.
Because if there were then nobody would go to Morrisons.
Depressing decor. Crap food. Over-priced.
Depressing, crap and expensive…
Sounds like the supermarket version of Labour
My local one has fantastic bread and a good value salad bar. The rest of the stuff they sell is pretty lackluster though, I must admit.
Robinson appears to have Cameron as PM already!
The Cons are not even elected yet and they are planning on making Dannett a Lord! Didn’t Hague and his ilk go on and on about Lord Mandliebum being unelected and made a Lord? Sorry but the Cons can’t have it both ways. It appears that if call me Dave gets elected we will be getting more of the same. Call me Dave = Heir to Bliar right enough.
the thing with mandleson was no-one was acountable in the commons , what i understand is dannett is a advisor not a lord
being made a Peer
i stand corrected
Yes, and I think this is a mistake. What if he does a Digby Jones and wants to get out in a couple of years? He will still be a Lord, but without a job – mind you he’ll still be alot more use than the labour-friends of Tony and Gordon who have been poushed in over the last few years.
The good point about Dannatt, as opposed to people like Mandelson, is that he has relevant expereince, clear thinking and a sense of values and duty.
Dannatt has certainly come on a lot since ha was ‘Just William’ in his young days.
http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.lacan.com/justwilliam1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.lacan.com/dannatt.htm&usg=__FYdVl2QlrtmqlqTkSqyCbUJoFjU=&h=420&w=225&sz=35&hl=en&start=2&tbnid=0Yb8TjRlOWQhyM:&tbnh=125&tbnw=67&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dadrian%2Bdannatt%2Bjust%2Bwilliam%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DG
Guido you doubleplusungood thoughtcriminal you! Oceania is at war with Eastasia young man and don’t you forget it!
No. As of this morning Eurasia is at war with Oceania and has been for the last twenty years. You will find this fact reflected in all official documentation.
Also, as of this morning Gordon Brown never promised an end to boom and bust nor did he promise a referendum on Europe. Any documents purporting to suggest otherwise are simply propaganda distributed by the agents of Emmanuel Goldstein.
Now, all rise for the two minute hate where todays theme will be ‘bankers and how they wrecked the UK economy and certainly not Gordon Brown’.
And rage.
well what am I to do with all this “Death to Eastasia!” bunting that I’ve bought in for the street party then?
You are a self-confessed agent of Emmanuel Goldstein. Remain in front of your TV monitor until Mr O’Brien arrives to take you for re-education classes.
I’m off to shag Julia.
who gives a fuck we all fuck up sometimes
400th
It is 9.00 am, so for the next 8 hours we have nothing better to do than to make inane comments on your blog and try and get on your nerves.
I am surprised that you don’t just ignore our pointless posts.
Until 5.00pm then
Steady lads. Steady.
Wait for the whistle.
Wait for the instructions.
On my command…..
6 minutes overtime
Get a fucking job then!!!!! I’m out now to earn some beer tokens, unlike you trolls
It seems to me the last thing Just call me Dave needs are folks like Grayling and now Gove acting like trigger happy raw squaddies instead of cool and calculating, experienced soldier, make sure brain is engaged before shooting mouth off.
bring back david davies as home sec
Davis
opps thanks
Speculative BLOG post on Cameron’s address today…
http://ddtaylor88.wordpress.com/2009/10/07/cameron-the-statesman
cant you find a way of paying to pimp your blog here ?
O/t sorry if this has been posted
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1218897/Gordon-Im-biggest-fan-Mini-Me-actor-Verne-Troyer-finds-new-Dr-Evil.html
He used to be 6 foot tall until Mr Prime Minister wished him luck in his career.
One for the caption competition?
Evil psycho Gordon Brown and his mini-me:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1218897/Gordon-Im-biggest-fan-Mini-Me-actor-Verne-Troyer-finds-new-Dr-Evil.html
Scary smile!
Listened to Toenails on R4 “Today” 08:20, talking about General Dannatt and sounding like a malevolent 5th-former – I hope that if/when the Tories win the next General Election we hear no more from Toenails. This NuLabour serf and Useful Idiot will never be a respected, knowledgeable political commentator.
Glasgow N by-election Nov 12th per Sky. Jings!
You mean the incumbents have managed to print enough voting slips alreay?
Things must be improving.
Does not look good ! The Words Arse And Elbow spring to mind !
I suspect Fawkes has fallen victim to la bouilloire champenoise.
OT re my comment on bbc HYS, i tried to find out why this was rejected, no joy, any one got any ideas.
07-Oct-2009 18:24
COMMENT:
Alot of people on HYS seem to be basing their misgivings on the wealth of the Tory front bench.. i think they should take a good look at labour’s front bench a little more closely, also the blairs £12 million property portfolio, the kinnocks near £10 million portfolio, these people have earned their millions from us the tax payer as career politicians, how? where as the majority of Tory wealth is either inherited, or earned within the private sector.
COMMENT STATUS:Rejected
Anonymous you are right about Labour wealth except you say they have EARNED it from us. They didn’t earn it they STOLE it.
Same with Paxo last night pre-occupied with Tory front bench wealth but nothing on NuLabour front bench. What is GB’s wealth for instance never work at anything other than via taxpayer funded means.
Mandelson admits Labour want to dump the pound and adopt the euro:
“I don’t rule it out [entry to the euro] because the eventual aim of the present government is to join a single currency.
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article6864112.ece
Let’s face it this failed labour government aren’t going to be in power long enough to do much more damage.
And it’s not likely that the Tories will view the euro as a possibility.
Why on earth are the S Koreans interested in listening to mandy anyway? Poor excuse for a human being that he is.
Like they want to dump the british and adopt the world
The euro/STG rate is headed for parity anyway so that will make ditching the Pound all the more convenient. We seem to have devalued the Pound in your pocket all over again, folks.
This may be so from our side of the fence, but would the EU Central Bank want to take on the UK’s basket-case PS debt? I don’t think so.
The postmen can also fuck off, business has enough aggro without having the post delayed because of industrial action
It is europe together with our facist government that is destroying the Royal Mail.
Posties don’t want to strike-they used to like the job when it was all postman pat type of service and friendliness. Like everything else they get paid peanuts but like the job and now they still get paid peanuts and job satisfaction has been removed. Same as nurses, police, etc.
postmen can still fuck off – there is a rarely used concept where if you don’t like the the job, you leave and get another one.
Billy Hayes is a gormless fat bastard
Howaaaayy man! Howaaaaaaaaaaaay! Alh av yaroot noo!
Where’s Guido? Surely not arrested again for going on the piss with Duncan Disorderey?
He’s in Manchester, he may never get another chance: what Smiths lyric will appear in his speech?
Which Smiths song will he quote today?
A Smiths quote today, perhaps?
A Sm,iths quote in the speech today? Which one?
I would rather not go
Back to the old house
I would rather not go
Back to the old house
There’s too many
Bad memories
Too many memories
There …
There …
There …
That Cheryl Cole is a geordie lass ain’t she? Looks great, but as soon as she opens her bloody mouth….
QED
I see gordon today is trying to steal cameron’s thunder by chairing a meeting to discuss sending extra troops to Afghanistan.
How many is he thinking of sending? 500.
Far cry from the 2500 they say they desperately need in order to give the troops out there, who are having to exceptionally long tours because of troop shortage, a rest?
What a twit gordon is. What a really useless twit!!
Don’t think that announcement is likely to eclipse Cameron’s speech today.
Oh dear Oh dear. What shall I do? My job will probably be axed next year.
I know. I’ll go to Arf-gornistan. There’s bound to be openings there for people like me to help the military.
I’m also Wheelie-Bin Compliance Officer. That will be a ‘plus’ on my CV.
I never thought I would agree with anything that that George Galloway said; but this must be the exception that proves the rule.
Post Strike Delayed
The result of a ballot over national strikes by Royal Mail workers is to be announced, with the union expecting support. Unfortunately most of the ballot papers have not been delivered due to the serious postal backlog.
That’s the Socialist way.
be decided on a show of ‘ands round the back of the bike shed then, will it?
I detest New Labour but detest the the Tories even more. They are like all politicians a lying bunch of hypocritical schemers. How’s this for a starter:
“A TORY Party member was arrested after being accused of failing to pay the bill on a £150 bottle of champagne at the party’s conference in Manchester.
Philip Whittington, 27, was arrested on suspicion of theft at the Midland Hotel and held by police overnight.” (Manchester Evening News)
This hoon is one of those who want to reduce incapacity benefits for the most poor people in our society and yet can afford to guzzle £150 bottles of champagne. No doubt laughing behind our backs at the stupidity of some voters who think the Tories are worth voting for. Bastards the lot of ‘em!
If Philip Whittington is guilty of theft, it doesn’t matter who he is, he should accept the consequences.
As to reducing incapacity benefits for the poorest in society, a couple of questions. If someone is capable of work, capable of supporting themselves, why should the state pay them incapacity benefit? Why shouldn’t thet “get on their bike” and find a job – the rest of us have to.
Nobody is intending to take incapacity benefits off people who genuinely cannot work (and there are such people, I have a close family member in that situation), but we all know that there are people out there who are, frankly, taking the piss out of the system. Why should the rest of us put up with that? It’s not as if the country can afford to subsidise the lazy and the feckless.
He could not afford it – he stole it. Just like benefit claimants, who are actually fit and capable of working, steal tax payers money.
No cult of celebrity/personality in Brown’s New Britain.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1218897/Gordon-Im-biggest-fan-Mini-Me-actor-Verne-Troyer-finds-new-Dr-Evil.html
Where’s Austin Powers when we need him?
The Anglia Television “silver knight” is over 100 years old and was commissioned originally by the King of the Netherlands. The king was a patron of a society called The Falcon Club, which met once a year to compete in horse races, falconry and other sports.
In 1850, the King felt so confident that he would win the contest that he commissioned a trophy from a London firm of silversmiths. The trophy was modelled on the statue of Richard Coeur de Lion, which stands outside the House of Parliament, but it was made to represent Edward, Prince of Wales, the so-called Black Prince, the son of Edward III and father of Richard II, who never ruled as king in his own right.
However, to the King’s dismay the trophy was won by an Englishman and brought back to Britain where it remained in the possession of the victor’s family until 1959 – the year Anglia first went on the air.
A famous firm of Bond Street jewellers and goldsmiths (Aspreys) was commissioned to make certain modifications – including the pennant on the lance – and the magnificent trophy became the famous symbol of Anglia Television.
The Anglia Knight is made of sterling silver and weighs over 700 ounces. The detailed work was hand-chased by a superb craftsman. The trophy is currently on display at the Archive Centre, next to County Hall, in that well-known “island in the bog” Norwich. The stature was ditched from TV because the heroics it implied were no longer a required part of our culture and the statue was felt to be too class oriented, militaristic, triumphalist and race and gender exclusive. Also the figure was carrying an illegal sword and dagger which was thought to be unacceptable and sent the wrong message, although the anti-stab armour attracted some interest from the Norfolk Chief Constable. The trophy was displayed to ACPO for this purpose but that august organisation felt that dressing police officers as 14th Century armoured knights, whilst undoubtedly bringing health & safety benefits, would not be in the interests of diversity and would lead to complications in accessing and egressing from vehicles. As the Norfolk Chief Constable has a headwear discretion policy (officers don’t have to wear caps if they don’t want to) it was also felt a bare, shaven head would compromise the benefit of the plate armour and mail covering the rest of the body.
The music that was heard when the knight was on air is part of Handel’s Water Music, specially arranged for Anglia Television by Sir Malcolm Sargent.
And now, pissed from Norwich….
Tory member is arrested for champaigne theft update
Manchester evening News
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1160907_tory_arrested_over_150_bottle_of_champagne
See Guido’s post from days ago. Nothing new, move along now.
Gordon Brown is rumoured to be going to the Palace.
Not sure if he is resigning or going to the country.
ploy to upstage daves speech ?
Not just his weekly chat with Her Maj., is it?
Doesn’t he do that on Tuesdays?
Anyway gordon wouldn’t resign – the Drowning Street police unit will have to go into 10 Drowning Street and drag him out from under his desk next year when he loses the election.
Another barnstorming speech from Hague.
This guy has finally come of age…statesmanlike and has gravitas.
PS..what kind of bloody order are these posts in..all over the place???
Sheems alright to me
Guido is a libertarian, remember. Numbering, ordering and regimenting aren’t his style, except for a nice neat row of Guinness glasses.
Nice.
The Italian president
(a) was selected by a popular vote; and
(b) is not above the law.
It couldn’t happen here – we have a much more sensible system than those silly Italians with their democratic conceits!
Q where do the england players stay when touring south africa?
A with there parents
their
opps again thanks
Where’s Guido?
in a cell in manchester?
A Libertarian cell. There’s a novelty.
They’re too busy looking for more Asian street market scenes to film (or is it Somali this year?)… must have taken up most of the OBU budget tracking it down
More trouble for us all looms in the shape of equity release scams:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20603037&sid=aN5fWuwDm7ZQ
Being a postman is an unskilled job
Do you have personal experience?
Check your garden sheds and garages. Where is he?
Urgent : new thread needed. This one has come unravelled.
FAWKES , ARE YOU THERE?
He was but on daily politices with mrs dale
was he pissed?
no stone cold sober,mrs dale looked rough and she is supposed to be a tea-totaler.
What’s going on in the Cotswolds? Every day I keep sseeing more and more young African women pushing babies around in pushchairs in Cirencester and elsewhere.
What’s that all about?
Ah would not know about dat sah…Ah was sortin’ out de drainage in de battam fiel’!
Just seen Guido and Dale on the DP. They didn’t get much of a word in with Anita Anand but at least she didn’t try to smear Cameron and Osborne like most of these BBC people do.
Frankly I see little difference between any in Westminster.
Too few ideas other than the standard; tax tax tax and then tax and provide a lot less value.
Same old cry, vote for me we can put it right party, then fail the country immediately when elected and bumble along till kicked out.
All along since at least 60 years plus ago either/or have been faffing around like clueless buffoons without a hope or even the slightest hint of real progress for the population.
All the while we see the same old problems, lots of cash and bugger all for it.
I could make a very long list of the public failings, let alone the ones conveniently swept under the carpet.
So I am expected to toddle down to the ballot box and do it all again.
Yeah right!
Whats the alternative stay at home!
Get a Life!
What’s your answer to the country’s problems, then?
No new story from Guido
Obviously got the fawking hangover from hell drinking all the champagne that Dave’s gang were not allowed to quaff
Hope those Spies ripped down all the banners in double quick time.
Doubleplusgood U-turn!
In the video above of Farage berating the European parliament, the MEP who is sitting back laughing is Daniel Cohn-Bendit. He is an excerpt from his Wikipedia entry.
While Fischer was more concerned with demonstrations, Cohn-Bendit worked in the Karl-Marx-Buchhandlung bookshop and ran a kindergarten (of children between five and eight years’ old). Later in 2001 he was accused of paedophilia. This accusation was grounded on the following citation from his 1975 book Le Grand Bazar, [1]: “On several occasions certain kids would open my fly and start to stroke me. I reacted differently according to circumstances, but their desire posed a problem for me. I asked them: ‘Why don’t you play together? Why have you chosen me, and not the other kids?’ But if they insisted, I caressed them still.[2]”
On the 31 January 2001 in the Berlin newspaper [3] published open letter to Cohn-Bendit from the former German Foreign Minister, Klaus Kinkel, demanding Cohn-Bendit clarify whether there was actual physical contact with the children. The Berliner Zeitung published Cohn-Bendit’s response. He said that he was “not aware of the problem” (“das Problem nicht bewusst”). “We tried,” …”a collective discourse of a new sexual morality yet to be defined”( “in einem kollektiven Diskurs eine neue Sexualmoral zu definieren”). The reported sex scenes, were a “me-oriented self-reflection” (“ich-bezogene Selbstreflexion”). Cohn-Bendit, did not say there was no sexual contact with children. When interviewed on the 28 January 2001 by The Observer[4] Cohn-Bendit told the journalist, “I admit that what I wrote is unacceptable nowadays.”
In the 1980s the Greens experimented with various policies which would decriminalise sex with children. At its national conference in Lüdenscheid (March 1985) the Greens in North Rhine-Westphalia called for “nonviolent sexuality” between children and adults never to be subject to criminal prosecution. In 1987 the policy was “When young people have the desire for older peers outside the family, prevented either because their homosexuality is not accepted by their parents, or because they have paedophile inclinations, be it for other reasons, they must be given the opportunity to do so.” [5].