October 6th, 2009

What’s Hot on the Fringe

fringelist-buttonA few more changes last night to the Fringelist.com top events derived from the most registrations made by conference goers to receive free SMS text reminders.

The new #1 is the Sunlight Centre’s “Disinfecting Parliament: Debate on MP’s expenses.” The debate will be chaired by Home Office whistleblower Chris Galley and Guido will be arguing on the panel with Jacqui Smith’s media defender, John Rentoul, the Independent’s political correspondent and Mark Wallace from the Taxpayers’ Allliance.

The Top 10:

  1. Disinfecting Parliament: Debate on the Shadow Report into MP’s expenses
  2. Iain Dale’s Blog Readers’ Party
  3. Conference Pride
  4. Would we be Beter Off Out of the European Union?NEW ENTRY
  5. Save Our Pubs and Clubs Drinks Party
  6. Tweet for Change/Bloggers meet up
  7. Trust in Politics: How to get it backNEW ENTRY
  8. Murdoch was right! The case against the BBCNEW ENTRY
  9. The Rural ReceptionNEW ENTRY
  10. A Reception to launch Progressive ConservativesNEW ENTRY

Six new entries compared to yesterday’s movers-and-shakers listOnly twenty-six receptions remaining over the next two nights…


  1. 1
    R.McGeddon says:

    Gordon’s pork pies are hot.

  2. 2
    Question master says:

    Ask Rintoul for a breakdown of his expenses before answering any questions.

  3. 3
    Daveyone says:

    Are they talking about Europe yet at Tory Conf HQ?

  4. 4
    mmmmmm.......Mandelsons says:

    does it come with a smear of Mandelson’s chutney?

  5. 5
    Adama says:

    Anyone here know Tory policy on Childcare Vouchers ? Top scheme that Gordon wants to scrap.

  6. 6
    Inglorious Basterd says:

    What the fuck bright idea Cameron comes up to get people back to work.

    What fucking work?

    The coalmines, steel works & shipbuilding yards are gone as is British fucking Leyland. We journey in trains made in Italy, fly on planes made in France and drive round in four-wheeled boxes made in Korea, and when you want to get blind drunk to forget it all, you have to get pissed on Belgium, Dutch, Danish, French, German, Australian or American beer .

    All the fuck we export is Colman’s mustard to Dubai. Even Union Jacks are made in India. We now spend our entire life making calls to call centres to complain about the service of the call centres. It’s a service providers utopia.

    Chinese and Indians workers moving en masse to Poland to build hospitals, five-star hotels and nuclear bunkers. Polish workers moving to the UK to pick tomatoes, strawberries and noses. The fucking world is mad.

    A twat who took us to war killing babies on a bunch of lies killing set to become the EU President. Polly Toynbee the great champagne socialist in between flying to her second home in Tuscany has the fucking gall to sermonise to us plebs about the environmental harm of flying and how every dum fucker who reads the Guardian should be poor and work for the state.

    These same labour twats have the audacity to sermonise about sprinkling democracy round the world like confetti. What fucking democracy? We have an unelected PM and in all but name an unelected deputy Lord PM, half the cabinet are unelected Lords, the very same Lords Labour promised to abolish since the beginning of time. In recent European elections on a turn-out of 35%, 15% voted Labour. In other words 5% of the total eligible voters voted for Labour or 95% didn’t. Zimbabwe has more democracy.

    It took the Romans 500 years to get over the loss of their empire. Thank fuck we have only 450 years left to get over the loss of ours.

  7. 7
    going mental says:

    no plotting at the tory confrance then ?

  8. 8
    going mental says:

    sorry meant to add when is daves speech and will fawkes be doing a live chat?

  9. 9

    That Hall Is Not big Enough To Get all Browns “Porky Pies” in !

  10. 10
    genghiz the kahn says:

    “You cannot hope to bribe or twist,
    (thank God!) the British journalist.
    But, seeing what the man will do unbribed,
    there’s no occasion to. ”

    Does Rent a ghoul still think that porn and b*t* plugs for her hubby is a legitmate business expense?

    Does he also think that the redesignation of a family home as her second home is a cunning tax avoidance scheme? Must be terribly hard to defend her behaviour.

    Does he feel happy that Labour Ministers have been flouting the laws they pass – Byrne, Harman and mobile phone use whilst driving, and Baroness Scotchland? Have Labour given up on equality in the eyes of the law?

  11. 11
    Lizzie says:

    Sounds like happy campers in Manchester, so different to “Dullston” last week.

  12. 12
    Mongrel says:

    How sad. Now to be replaced by Deutschland Uber Alles or O Tannenbaum. Gordon should be charged with treason for signing away our sovereignty in direct and deliberate breach of a manifesto commitment. A lot of the time governments break manifesto pledges as a result of ineptitude or changing circumstances, but there is no such excuse in this case.
    Note Al Jabeeba trying to make Europe into a difficult issue for the Conservatives, when both Labour and LibDems have far more embarrassing questions to answer.

  13. 13
    going mental says:

    what a shame labourlist doesnt seem to be working

  14. 14
    Mongrel says:

    So that’s what HP Brown sauce is made of.

  15. 15
    Boy George, Balls Drop, result little man says:

    If Europe won’t split the Conservatives then george’s crackpot pension scheme will.

  16. 16
    An unelected monkey, screeching, jumping up and down on the end of its chain, banging its tin mug says:

    It was’nae ma’ fult!

    Tha’ unelected organ grinder made me do it!

  17. 17
    Osborne is a Chump says:

    They won’t be happy when voters tell them what they think of George’s cunning pension plan. And most people in their 50s and 60s tend to vote.

  18. 18

    great post !

  19. 19
    Daveyone says:

    I never believed 6 million Irish votes would have more sway then 60 million UK ones then of course I was nieve enough to believe we won 2 wars for the sake of democracy, what ever that was!?!

  20. 20
    Billy Blofeld says:

    Policy, policy, policy………….

    But what are the wives and girlfriends at conference wearing??

    After Cherie Blair – it is vitally important to know the wives and girlfriends before you mark X at the ballot box

  21. 21
    Anonymous says:

    Do away with child benefit is the answer. Let the fuckers pay.

  22. 22

    a really great post ! Said it twice first one got modded

  23. 23
    Doc Trough says:

    My old dad calls them ‘Pig Tarts’.

  24. 24
    Brussels Bliar, the emoting . . . says:

    I’d just like to thank the punters for voting me on the first rung of the ladder all those years ago.

    It all followed from there.

    But hey! Trust me!

    I’m a straight kinda guy.

    (Chorus) And he goes to the lavva-treee

  25. 25
    mmmmmm.......Mandelsons says:

    Dave gets my vote because he is not Labour

    As a natural Tory voter I am yet to hear anything that remotely interests me

    Sacking the whole public sector, doctor, nurses, firmen included then rehiring them under more realistic terms would be a start, this process may actually result in pay increases for doctors, nurses and firemen,

  26. 26
    Frank of FORMBY says:

    Maybe why we are not in the EURO.
    Interesting article from today’s INDY:-http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/the-demise-of-the-dollar-1798175.html

  27. 27
    Waynetta 'n Sharon, whining, between puffs, says:

    Oi!! F uckers !!

    We’re both knocked up, – wot ‘bart us ben-ferts??!!

    ‘n carn-cil flats ?

    ‘n that!

  28. 28
    Irish Jig says:

    4 million is the populaton Daveyone. They must have fiddled 2 million postal votes.

  29. 29
    Mervin King says:

    look on the bright side mate, your houses went up 1.9%/£3k in September – shame your manufacturing(have you really got any?) output fell by 1.9% in August, a depression-busting decrease, contradicting all the shit by the shill arseholes about the devalued pound boosting exports and driving recovery. Ah well, you’ve still got your houses, to sell to each other for £1m, £10m, £1 zillion – of your arse-wipe currency. Print another trillion pounds Fred, it’ll keep the wankers happy until Xmas.

  30. 30
    Horny of Hoylake says:

    Fuck the Zanucons and their soon to be exiting Zanlab friends.

  31. 31
    Alistair darling says:

    Thank fuck no-one has noticed that I did it first – thanks BBC.

  32. 32
    Grateful says:

    Thanks for putting down in clear words what so many feel and struggle to say!

  33. 33
    Sourgrapes says:

    brings this shit-ole of a couintry down faster,
    more fun and easy on the blood pressure.

  34. 34
    Daveyone says:

    Probably all the nil pois we never got from them in Eurovision! LOL

  35. 35
    Sukyspook says:

    An excellent piece of truthful observation Inglorious, couldn’t say it better myself.

    One thing I learned from my parents and that I’ve drummed into my own children:


    I suspect that Bliar, Brown and all the other muppets of the globalists will have heard that as offspring too and in their heart of hearts, still know it to be true.

    Ergo, Globalization is a codeword for the planned and final takover of the entire planet by the banksters, an agenda I find abhorrant but have had to accept in order to make sense of this ridiculous ‘life’ we find ourselves being forced to ‘live’.

    “Order out of Chaos” is the modus operandi – because chaos brings forced CHANGE – where have we heard THAT before?? – and we’re still being told we need it by the Tories this very day.

  36. 36
    Lord Piss Snout says:

    Thats why I shall vote Conservative at the next GE.

  37. 37
    Bullingham Boys says:

    here here…

  38. 38
    Rip Van Winkle says:

    Most 50 to 60 year olds who have more than two inter-connected brain cells realise that the present financial situation is a ticking time bomb and the fuse is getting shorter by the minute. One extra year at work? Big fucking deal.

    And I’m affected by this – I’m 54.

  39. 39
    George has screwed up says:

    Yes but you were much cleverer my Darling. By making it 16 years away the present 50 to 65 age group were not bothered and for those younger retirement is too far away to matter. Boy George has screwed this up.

  40. 40

    I think its fair to say that we don’t get that many truly inspiring replies – but in this case, IB, you have summed it all up nicely! A quality rant if ever there was one!

  41. 41
    oh dear dear me says:

    They are trying to use a new scary strategy,it’s a called honesty.

  42. 42
    Mongrel says:

    Interesting to see the French political elite conniving with their freedom-loving democratic friends in Russia, China and Saudi Arabia – they are quite big supporters of the Myanmar regime as well. They are truly squalid beyond belief, but they will shortly be our political masters.

  43. 43
    Tosser of Heswall says:

    Still have to wait until May,calm down.

  44. 44
    Steve Expat says:

    Daves speech is Thursday. Seconded for a live chat.

  45. 45
    Mervin King says:

    the dollar’s dead mate. Haven’t you heard? That’s the plan. Been planned for years. Get a comie puppet elected, Obama, bankrupt the nation on out of control borrowing and monestising debt, and have the dollar crash when it’s exposed the US central bank, the Fed, is carrying trillions of near to worthless collateral from the $25 trillion loaned, er, given to the bankers to date. America is finished budd, but that was the plan. Like we used then took down the UK, now it’s America’s turn, to become a third-world shithole, with a few oligarchs at the top and the independent middle classes smashed, through losing their life savings in worthless dollars. Boy, do you think we’re stupid or what? America’s served its purpose; time to pull the plug. Got sweet FA to do with your silly little pound mate.

  46. 46
    Spellcheck says:

    Bullingdon. Hear. Hear.
    At least you spelt Boys right, so 25%. Should get you a B grade in GCSE English.

  47. 47
    One flew over the No 10 bunker says:

    Sky news

    Adam Boulton was challenged 5 minutes ago in regard to the former head of the Army stating he did not have the troops he needed whereas Brown has stated to you Mr Boulton that he has always given them what they want.

    AB= “Well there is a difference between someone expressing a desire and making a formal demand for more troops so I think thats where the confusion lies”

    Excuse made. Unbelievable excuse but made on Labours behalf all the same

    I wonder what he would have said if it had been a Tory PM?

    Like I said don’t mind vigourous reporting or interviewing so long as its balanced.

  48. 48
    One flew over the No 10 bunker says:

    Breaking news They have just reported yet another one of our brave soldiers have been lost in an explosion.

    LABOUR Cnuts

  49. 49
    Jug Ears Finchley says:

    Did Henry Evans allude to a British Press gagging order when interviewed by Adam Boulton on Sunday -then appear on Start the week yesterday with Andrew Marr promoting his new book

    Bit strange

  50. 50
    Mongrel says:

    By making it 16 years away you make it hot air, rather than policy, just like the preposterous carbon emissions targets for 2050. Typical Labour posturing, everything is designed to get media comment rather than to achieve anything – gestures here, messages there, no reality at all other than dishonesty and intrusion.

  51. 51
    Old King Coal says:

    I’m glad British Leyland has gone, they made shit cars. It was the last Conservative period that brought abot the end of coalmines, ship building and steelworks.

    We have enough coal under our feet to power this land for over 600 years, so why seal it off? Unless it was decided to use up all the mid east oil first.

  52. 52
    One flew over the No 10 bunker says:

    Very sadly it is just like that

  53. 53
    whining little pussies says:

    Fucking Biased Murdoch and his fucking Sky fuckers!
    Them and the BBC and ITV and Channel 4 and Channel 5 the Discovery channel and all the rest

    Dave will do away with all of them scrap TV altogether and relaunch Dave TV as his 24 hour rollings conservacast

    And the public will love it

    Lets hear any fucking dissent then TV bastards!

  54. 54
    jgm2 says:

    That does appear to be the Labour ‘strategy’ alright. Print money and inflate everybodies already insanely overvalued little ‘executive homes’ even more.

    Then we can all go out and borow even more money against the inflated value of our comedy houses and get Brown’s miracle economy back on track.

    What a fucking joke.

  55. 55
    One flew over the No 10 bunker says:

    SKY NEWS Reporting right now

    COMRES has the Tories on 42% and Labour 27% tory Maj of 100 if the GE held now.

    cant get a link to this at the moment sorry

  56. 56
    Bullingham Boy says:

    A* actually. My mum did all the course work. And Micosoft did all the spellchecking and formatting.

  57. 57
    game over says:

    UK manufacturing output fell a massive 2% in August – depression plus levels.

    UK’s real economy is contracting faster than the 1930s with massive, unseen job losses and slashed wages for those still in work, yet due to the Media and the printing of hundreds of billions of pounds house prices are booming, driven by banker bonus-spending in London and the S.East.

    UK will collapse within six months, its currency first, following the US dollar down, then its law and order. The ultra rich are getting richer, through the printing and handing out of money to place one-way bets on stock markets, commodities and property; the privileged elite in the professions are seeing their incomes rise as the wages for their cleaners and servants fall further. This cannot hold. Violence will erupt. Martial law will be in place within a year.

  58. 58
    Lizzie says:

    Most people would rather work than retire. Working keeps you young and keeps the brain ticking. Retire and die for most!

  59. 59
    One flew over the No 10 bunker says:

    wonder what the Labour party will announce Wednesday at 2145 for the News at 10 soundbite??
    Or will McDoom turn up somewhere interesting and unannounced?

  60. 60
    jgm2 says:

    We have enough coal under this island to power us for thousands of years. But when you are held hostage on a weekly basis by a bunch of Marxists who are quite prepared to keep hospitals in the dark, homes in the dark and pensioners freezing to death just so they can keep one million ‘bruvvers’ in the lifestyle to which they have become accustomed when the same work could be done with 10% of the folk and a few big machines then something had to give.

    Didn’t it Arthur?

  61. 61
    Doc Trough says:

    Agreed. Top stuff. Yours and Old H’s on Saturday have been an inspiration. There is dark work coming up. The country will have to be wrested back. Fortuitously, Brown has lost the armed forces.

  62. 62
    jgm2 says:

    27%? What kind of imbeciles are they?

    I can understand why folk would not want to vote Tory. But why on earth would anybody with an IQ higher than a fish wish to reward Labour for the economic and social clusterfuck they have created?

  63. 63
    Ivor Schwartzporsche says:

    That set has a lovely tone. Are you selling them by any chance?

  64. 64
    Anonymous says:

    it’s not a joke. it’s a takedown. same way Eire was taken down; Iceland was taken down, and America is currently being taken down. all it needs is to play to people’s lowest instincts – greed for money, sex and consumption – then the trap is sprung.

  65. 65
    anon in legal says:

    Manifesto’s have no legally binding ethos about them at all.

    They are, if you care to look back at all the party manifestos for the past 40 years, not worth the paper they are written on.

    Manifesto committments mean nothing – a legally binding contract to fulfil certain tasks by certain dates or pay a forfeit – that does have teeth.

    Will DC enter into such a contract with the British electorate?

    I doubt it very much – the Heir to Blair would one day like the incredible wealth & power of President Blair – as they all would.

    F-them – vote UKIP or for any independent.

  66. 66
    Master Baiter says:

    Why no campaign for a straight forward in or out vote on the EU?

    The out would out and out lose.
    That’s why the euroseptics won’t campaign for a straight vote, pussies.

  67. 67
    Ivor Schwartzporsche says:

    They will keep them but only for the Circle Line

  68. 68
    Gordon Brown says:

    Honesty? What’s that?

    I’ve never heard of it.

  69. 69
    jgm2 says:

    The trick is to retire young. Say 35 for example. Worked for me.

  70. 70
    Doc Trough says:

    I didn’t know Mrs H was ‘strong chapel’. The hatpegs show it to be so.

  71. 71
    jgm2 says:

    I’d rather be taken down as a result of my greed for sex to be honest. Why didn’t we have a 12 year orgy instead of a 12 year economic clusterfuck?

  72. 72
    Anyone but Gordon...and DAVE says:

    So someone in his or her fifties and not happy with ceding their sovereignty to Europe has no option but to vote UKIP?

  73. 73
    Steve Expat says:

    Can’t say that anyone’s noticed…

  74. 74
    Anonymous says:

    The Aussies just put their bank rate up. Hold onto your hat Grandad it’s time for the mother-f*cker of all inflation runs. What fun!

  75. 75
    anon in legal says:

    Public sector workers. Grateful immigrants. Pure self interest.

  76. 76
    Master Baiter says:

    Nije Al Farage has bought Portsmouth Football Club, which explains why they will bever win a European trophy.


  77. 77
    anon in legal says:


  78. 78
    Steve Expat says:

    Maybe they’re all the public sector middle managers who are shitting themselves for a change of government knowing that they would be unemployable in the real world?

    Probably a few “on the sick” among them too…

  79. 79
    anon in legal says:


  80. 80
    tat says:

    yes, inependent candidates are the future of British Democracy.
    we are entering not the post bureacratic age as david cameron falsely claims but of the Independent age of British politics.
    free at last from destructive and anti-democratic party politics.
    Praise the Lord!

  81. 81
    Mr Drippy says:

    Theresa wore the orange mac earlier. You never saw five-bellies in her rainwear. T’s in a different class.

  82. 82
    jgm2 says:

    Australia? Is that the country completely untouched by the global economic recession that started in America and has fuck all to do with me, Gordon Brown? That Australia?

    Interest rates up you say?

    And they’re not even printing money. And their entire national debt is equal to one months defict in the UK.

    That Australia?

    How did the criminals manage to end up with an honest and competent government and we, an honest population, end up with such a bunch of incompetent fucking crooks?

    Is it some kind of big fucking cosmic ying and yang joke?

  83. 83
    going mental says:

    a mental hospital ?

  84. 84
    jgm2 says:

    You want to get over your Farage and Hannan obsession. You’ll rub it raw.

  85. 85
    Master Baiter says:


  86. 86
    Wise Virgin says:

    The wise virgin who bought shares in Aussie banks when Godon told us the recession was global and affected everyone is now a rich wise virgin. Same goes for the Wise virgin in Canada.

  87. 87
    Ivor Schwartzporsche says:

    That’s why I’ll vote UKIP. All the industry lost was once built up by individuals-expnading businesses and employing more people. What has been destroyed is the competitiveness and the will to even attempt to go into business. Take away euro regulations, reduce tax, reduce government interference. Chocs away boys and girls. European interference is the problem. And I say this: Do not believe that foreign money for investment will not come into the UK unless we are in europe. There is a huge difference between corporate facism and enterprise. I challenge anyone to spend a day seeking out to become a window cleaner. Start at 8am and work through how to go about it-given that it’s likely you will have potential customes near you. By the end of the day you will likely feel completely demoralised. Choose any business you like but I gave window cleaning as an example.

  88. 88
    Seen it all before - honest ! says:

    Also developments at the ?Graph.
    To give a measure of legitimacy to the nest of Brown worshippers/unreconstructed Neocons/the anti-Dave rantocracy, the Barclays thought it would be a great wheeze to bring Benedict Brogan back.
    But Bene boy just doesn’t get it, he’s now decided he wants to one of the regular ?Graph gang, and go full-on anti-Dave !
    They might need to replace him with Iain Dale or someone.

  89. 89
    tat says:

    a straightforward vote like tony blair and gordon brown promised?
    did you know gordon brown’s personal barrister argued against that from happening in a court of law?
    honestly masterbaiter, you are such a dishonest dullard!

  90. 90
    My dad says:

    He used to work in a factory. It was a big building where there made things that were very useful. Things like cars and washing machines and bikes.

    Trouble was apparently the capitalists got fed up with the socialists and the unions and gave all the work to the Japanese and the Chinese. So they are now rich and have big armies, whilst we still play at being the saviors of Afghanistan, bring in Johnny foreigner to do the plumbing and let able bodied people sit at home watching wide screen TV’s paid for by the odd person who still has a job at Tesco.

    Oh yes and we had a couple of wars with Germany that made us poor too because we like to send our young men and women to be killed to help cheese eating surrender monkeys. After we won those wars we did explain to them how to sort out industrial relationships properly. So they still have factories that make things as well. Things like cars and washing machines and bikes.

    Meanwhile we still have our socialists and unions causing trouble for the capitalists but on top of that there is now the BBC (Brown’s Biased Clowns) they help the socialists and the unions to stay in government so they can keep getting their big salaries for lowering the mentality of the citizens of Great Britain down to the dustbin level of Eastenders.

    Now things have got really, really bad the capitalists may get the chance to sort things out a bit for a few years until the socialists and the unions regroup ready to mess up their good work.

    The circle continues. Only the names & faces change.

    Did I miss anything?

  91. 91
    Phil O'Pastree says:

    Precisely. Just as Red Robbo closed British Leyland, Scargill closed the other mines that Tony Benn did not.

    Why isn’t MI5 watching these people?

  92. 92

    Slipping away, slipping away.

  93. 93
    anon in legal says:


  94. 94
    Master Baiter says:

    It’s not personal it’s political and philosophical.
    Dan Hannan is reviled in Iceland which for years he has touted as a prime example of the wonders of a ‘free market’. Now thanks to that myth, the Icelanders are in hock to the UK and Netherlands and will have to pay 33% of their GDP for the next 15 years each and every year. That’s an astronomical amount.

    If Hannan went there now he’d be gutted, filleted and frozen.

    Dan Hannan has most swivvely eyes in Personchester!
    Eye, eye cap’n Birdseye.

    Gordon Brown saved billions of UK savers’ and Councils’ money from the collapsed Icelandic ponzy banks, well done Gordon.
    Dave Komodo’s plan was ‘do nothing’, ‘let the market decide’.

  95. 95
    anon in legal says:

    Not a thing. Succinct post.

  96. 96
    Phil O'Pastree says:

    They were hit with the recession like everyone else – the difference is they are not saddled with humongous national debt and so are now moving out of recession thank you very much.

  97. 97
    Master Baiter says:


  98. 98
    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    The words:




    …..immediately spring to mind.

  99. 99
    Daveyone says:

    Davey just got Gaunty to ask Hague what of Europe 10:45 Tues, he too seems bemused as to why 4 million Irish votes (counted twice) out weighs potentially 60 million UK votes!

  100. 100

    Oh yeah, the electorate are gonna love that.
    Whose ideas are these for fucks sake?
    Oh yeah, the housing benefit cheat millionaires, Dave and Gideon.
    What a pair of wankers.
    What a shower of shit.

  101. 101
    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    Care to expand upon your insanity, or shall we take it as read over & over & over again?

  102. 102
    Phil O'Pastree says:

    a dubious dishonest dullard doing the dirty for dithering disastermongers.

  103. 103
    anon says:

    “Gordon Brown saved billions of UK savers’ and Councils’ money from the collapsed Icelandic ponzy banks, well done Gordon.
    Dave Komodo’s plan was ‘do nothing’, ‘let the market decide’.”

    For sometime i thought you were a right winger just winding folks up – now I am sure of it you scamp.

    No-one could believe in your final paragraph unless they had been a a box for the pasy 12 years.

    You mischievous scamp you…

  104. 104
    Phil O'Pastree says:

    Bullshit. Gordon Brown is despised in Iceland like you would not believe because he invoked anti-terrorist legislation against them on what was a civil matter.

    They’ve never heard of Hannan.

  105. 105
    HandsomeDavid says:

    They took their lead from the labour front bench. Self interest parasites.

  106. 106
    tat says:

    you say gordon brown saved billions of pounds of UK savers’ cash, if he did he did it with our money, so we saved ourselves.
    but I am feeling charitable so let us give you that point.
    however, if he has already done that then what do we need him for now?
    he is now just hanging around like a bad smell innit.
    so we don’t need gordon brown anymore, do we?
    gordon is a liability and I am surprised you should place his job security above the interests of the labour movement.
    ever done an honest day’s work in your life masterbaiter?
    doubt it.

  107. 107
    Master Baiter says:

    no it’s well hard

    The question is why don’t the euroseptics campaign for a straight forward ‘in or ‘out’ plebiscite?

    Because the ‘out’ would out and out lose, even after Lisbon in force.


  108. 108
    jgm2 says:

    Yep. I’ve suspected as much. He’s a right wing troll.

    Designed, by imitating Labour fuckwittery, to further galvanise opinion into making Labour history.

  109. 109
    Engineer says:

    I’ll give you some reasons.

    Harriet Harman, Jacqui Smith, Hazel Blears, Patricia Hewitt…..

  110. 110
    Ivor Schwartzporsche says:

    Its honest journalism.

  111. 111
    tat says:

    nah, the question is why are you such a fucking spastic.

  112. 112
    Master Baiter says:


    Ah well…

    The commenter blames ‘da unions’, the commenter is on display on the ground floor of the Natural History Museum, except during the Conservitude Party Conference.

    ‘da unions’, what a dimwit!

  113. 113
    jgm2 says:

    He’s a Tory troll tat. S’obvious innit.

    Nobody could be that fuckwitted and believe in Labours lies and attempt to peddle them here. They’re just the lies that will be told on the street by Labour.

    He’s just giving us the heads up of the kind of pure horseshit that passes for ‘fact’ in the streets of Hull.

    It’s to make us aware of the mendacious, evil lying bastards the UK is up against.

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    Engineer says:

    It was.

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    Wino of West Kirby says:

    Got 60p for a cup of tea mate.

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    Master Baiter says:

    Cheer up, remember how bad it used to feel before all that blandness that came with Seroxat.

    Why no euroseptic campaign for straight forward ‘in’ or ‘out’ of the EU plebiscite?

    Because the ‘out’ would out and out lose.
    The pussies!

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    tat says:

    yep, definitely a fifth columnist.

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    Billy Blofeld says:

    Yes – Mrs Hague does rather steal the show with inventive use of her right breast.

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    Inglorious Basterd says:

    Yes, in 1943 my dad crawled down the landing nets during the invasion of Sicily to liberate Italy.

    I think of it all the time when I travel to London on those nice Virgin tilting Pendolino trains, made in Italy.

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    Engineer says:

    Jack Jones the Commie spy, Red Robbo, Scargill, McGahey……yeah, the men who built the modern industrial Britain. Not.

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    Seen it all before - honest ! says:

    Once the Aussies finally decided to shed their pretentions and live with being the farm/quarry of the eastern world, they’ve never looked back.

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    tat says:

    change the record, eh?
    look, you have already been exposed on this thread as a tory fifth columnist.
    give it up loser.

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    anon says:

    Harold Wilson.

    All Labour are commie traitors.

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    mmmm says:

    probably why Labour did away with our long established treason laws – they knew a day of reckoning was coming.

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    Anonymous says:

    It’s true, we don’t make anything for ourselves anymore. We need a new industrial revolution.

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    Master Baiter says:

    From a Murdoch rag:
    “Many Icelanders are steaming over an agreement the government reached last month with the U.K. and the Netherlands in which Iceland would take responsibility for £2.35 billion ($3.86 billion) paid to Britons who had money with Icesave, an Internet arm of a now-defunct Icelandic bank, and for €1.32 billion ($1.86 billion) paid by the Netherlands to Dutch depositors.
    Under the deal, which still requires approval of Iceland’s parliament, the country has 15 years to pay the money back, but the sums add up to more than a third of the country’s annual economic output.”
    Brown froze the Icelandic banks’ UK assets and saved hard working savers’ money, you know the ‘Aunt Mauds’.
    Poor old Hannan’s Icelandic economic miracle, it was his example of why the UK doesn’t need the EU!

    Hannan’s the swivvelliest eyed Tory boy in Personchester
    Eye, eye cp’n Birdseye

    Go on have a look!

  129. 129
    tat says:

    where have all the tory trolls gone?
    don’t run away, I haven’t finished killing you yet!
    bloody cowards. you will never win the general election if you do not hold the line.
    fucking useless.
    just like dave.

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    Master Baiter says:

    It’s all right Seroxat, your secret is safe.

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    Seen it all before - honest ! says:

    Yeah, not a new story.
    But beware the author. Like most journos, Fisk only really knows about his narrow little comfort zone (Levantine affairs), there is an abundance of tosh and hype in that article.

  132. 132
    jgm2 says:

    I don’t think you can claim the ‘plan’ succeeded as a result of the commie puppet Obama.

    The US was well and truly pre-fucked by Bush. There is very little Obama can do without errrrr telling the yanks the truth. Just as the UK has been thoroughly fucked by Brown and he (Brown) is in no mood for telling the truth either.

    It’s not the crime of fucking us up for the past 12 years that will finally finish us off. It’s the cover-up.

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    Ivor Schwartzporsche says:

    That’s right unless dave has a sudden change of heart this week or is replaced by Boris

  134. 134
    Ivor Schwartzporsche says:

    There will be many austrailians with family over in the Uk who would welcome a return of sovereign UK government. Same goes for Canada.

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    resurgemus says:

    I think you’ll find they’re steaming because Brown used the prevention of terrorism act, and they found it insulting.

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    Anonymous says:

    Yeah he’s probably a sixth one too.

  137. 137
    Theresa Goodfellow says:

    Vote for independent UKIP candidates

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    Theresa Goodfellow says:

    No, we need UKIP to restore political sovereignty and less government interference. Reduce tax and business rates and regulation. The rest will follow.

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    Theresa Goodfellow says:


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    Anonymous says:

    Have you a picture of it?

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    Daveyone says:

    I have tried to see our plight from Johnny Foreigners point of view they must think we are barking mad! 100years ago we had an empire we also had an industrial revolution where the Midlands were at the forefront we won 2 World Wars and Macmillan declared we never had it so good!
    Then we lost our industrial advantage our best hopes either died in the war or went to the US to be better valued, Heath started the ball rolling in Europe in 1973 and Thatcher made us a load of selfish Bees which means our kids, those darling teenagers of today, could not give a 4x about anyone but themselves.
    Now we have no motor industry and Mandelson seems content to see GM ensure OPEL is bailled out but not bothered if Vauxhall survives as he along with most of his cronies will work for the President Blair of Europe where all we worked for and our forefathers faught for is handed to un elected Brussels on a plate!
    How come 4 million Irish votes count when potentially 60 million UK ones do not? So much for democracy (a none EU term) and in keeping with our Orwellian Government ! (Davey got to say this on Gaunty at 12:30 today)


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    bandersnatch says:

    Boy George’s speech is underway. Here’s a real time impression…

    He’s speaking simply, clearly and slowly… “the government borrowed too much… the banks borrowed too much… we all borrowed too much… Britain cannot go on like this… we are sinking in a sea of debt.”

    As for the current government… “The Iron Chancellor has turned into the Plastic Prime Minister.”

    Lots of polite clapping… Victor Meldew lookalike in the front row dozing off a bit… but George is showing us his sound and almost ponderous solidity. He “puts sound money and stability above everything else…” He contrasts his reality with McBroon’s fantasies. “We are now in control of the argument.”

    He will freeze MPs’ pay, he will cut the number of MPs by 10%. No-one can pay a public servant more than the PM without putting it before the Chancellor first. Bye bye to regional tiers of government and bureacracies all round. He’ll cut the cost of Whitehall by 1/3. They Tories have become the party of the National Health Service and will protect it. He will protect front line services.

    The people in the hall are warming up. Clapping more often and more loudly and occasionally shouting: ‘here here’.

    Each part of the public sector to have a 1 year pay freeze, except for those earning under £18,000. This excludes those serving in Afghanistan who will have a doubled operational allowance.

    He’ll keep the 50p tax on the rich because he is having to tax the less well off. Fair’s fair. ” We are all in this together.” Tax evasion and offshore tax havens will be tackled.

    Refs made to IDS and the ‘broken society’. He will support marriage in the tax and benefit system… will preserve Child Benefit, winter fuel payment etc but no more ‘Baby Bonds’ … He will support a culture of SAVINGS. He will restore the earnings link to the basic state pension. Pension age will rise… There will be a REVIEW. For men 2016 retirement age will be 66. This is how he can restore the earnings link.

    It was Gordon Brown raids on pension tax rates that stopped people saving. He will reverse this. Biggest claps and cheers of all! Honest choices. We conservatives are making them. Those who say we can do otherwise are not telling the truth.

    He has two young children. He wants a strong tolerant and generous society for them and everyone elses children. We are all in this together. We changed the Conservative party. It is time for a change. We are ready to make this change.

    A solid, solemn, heavy and slow delivery of a serious speech. No laughs at all. Not much fire. Shall now turn to Brillo and co for their analysis.

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    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    If it means taxes have to rise less and cuts in the public sector are less deep then it has to be a good deal

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    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    That’s all thanks to Howard’s Conservative government. The Aussie Labour party will still fuck it up somehow.

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    Anonymous says:

    Why is this not in the mainstream media – vote rigging, disappearing ballot boxes????

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    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    That’s why they have a 15% lead in the latest poll.

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    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    Sounds good to me. This along with Hague’s speech yesterday has secured my vote for next May. But if they fail to deliver then i see no other choice but to leave old blighty

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    charlie the chancer says:

    Give us a referendum and I will think about it.

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    tat says:

    it sounds good to you because you are on heroin and crack cocaine.

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    tat says:

    a pay freeze for someone on 20k a year?
    fuck off wankers!

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    tat says:

    can’t break 50% my old china, no 50%, no majority.

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    bandersnatch says:

    Anone on the old Columbian Marching powder wouldn’t have been able to sit still and listen through the speech.

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    bandersnatch says:

    What’s your recipe for the UK economically Tat? You pretend to be Chancellor and say what you would do.

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    Anonymous says:

    Britain is/has “an honest population” does it? The implications of that phrase are breathtaking but no matter. It’s such an incomprehensibly specious thing to say that it is hard to give it anything other than speedy dismissal. Britain has exactly what it deserves. For a population with a serf mentality, bowing and scrapting, as they do, what do you expect? Do you really think that those who have titles and power derived solely from DNA are going to have anything but contempt for a population hidebound by deference and shackled by sycophancy?

    For God’s sake, do you know what the House of Lords is? They are NOT elected and some of them even have hereditary peerage. Square that with democracy, can you? We talk of taking twenty quid a week off those who have least and willingly give an extra 19 million a year to a family whose troughing makes the mafia look like amateurs. That’s why Britain is as it is. You can wave your flag for Tory, Labour, Liberal, whoever you like. It will make not difference because Britain has no democracy whatsoever.

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    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    At least the £6 an hour cleaners won’t be affected

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    Axe The Telly Tax says:

    Well if something isn’t done urgently to get us out of this economic mess, i might well start taking drugs.

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    Anonymous says:

    UKIP policy

    1. Get out of the EU
    2. ?????????
    3. Profit

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    Not Peter Tatchell says:

    Pride Party is cold. Ben Summerskill boss of Stonewall is ever so offended by a couple of Poles.

    Ma Dale is in a tizz, bless her.

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    Brown's a Tosser says:


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    Brown's a Tosser says:

    Off Westminster Bridge into River Thames.

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    Anonymous says:

    He seemed enormously out of touch with the sentiment of the room when he spoke. Im surprised no one on the panel called him up on it.

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    tat says:

    I would start cutting from the top down.

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    tat says:

    hey, so you’ll be alright then ATTT!

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