Where’s the EU-Row?
Guido got to Manchester this afternoon in search of of the inevitable row post the Irish “Yes” vote. First stop the Bruges group fringe meeting. It looked promising, Guido counted some 600 attendees and it was standing room only, the line-up included Peter Hitchens and Simon Heffer.
Thatcher’s handbag was mentioned in the chairman’s introduction to great acclaim. Heffer was measured in his nevertheless strong critique, Peter Hitchens had the room laughing telling them Cameron has put Rohypnol in the champagne and date-raped the Conservative Party. Lots of laughs, but only half the room clapped. They didn’t like it much when Hitchens told them to stay at home on election day. He said he himself would be in France.
During the Q&A the sense of the audience was Eurosceptic but not Europhobic, there was a lot of antipathy to the Hitchens line. One audience member told him to stay in France. Later on elsewhere Guido bumped into Dan Hannan and asked him where the EU-row fringe was, he emphasised he was very happy with the settled party position and thought that there was a real chance the Czechs could hold the line until election day. He dismissed the idea that there would be any headbanging on Europe – “If Eurosceptics were plotting surely I would know”.
We need a clear and obvious message on Europe, free trade and nothing more!!!
http://newslion.blogspot.com/
Boris the wild haired one clearly has more balls than Hannan who had his cut off by Dave after his eccentric ramblings over the NHS
Hannan toes the Party Line now or else
but lets all pretend an EU Super-state under President Blair it isn’t an issue just to give Dave an happy clappy time at the conference when the ridiculous Broon has no hope in hell of ever winning
Aye, tha’ Boris mun ha’ seen thru ma!
It’s a guid job nae one else ha’
Cos’ nuthin’s ma fult ye un’stan!
Ye cannae blame me fa’ a’ the truble!
Please die in a fire at your earliest convenience.
I love the smell of bacon in the morning
smells like.. pigtory!
Apigalypse Now!
One wonders if Dave is simply stalling so he won’t have to carry out his half-hearted promise?
This is the legal position taken from Mary Ellen Synon’s blog:
http://synonblog.dailymail.co.uk/2009/10/the-legal-position-for-the-tories-on-lisbon.html
‘The legal position is clear. The Lisbon Treaty has to be ratified by all 27 states before it comes into force. Any time up to that point, the instrument of ratification of any state which has ratified can be revoked. If there is a general election before all 27 member states have ratified the treaty, then the United Kingdom can revoke its ratification. The treaty will then be dead unless the UK reinstates its ratification following a “Yes” vote in a referendum.’
‘However, if it is ratified by all 27 member states before the time of the general election, legally it takes effect and supersedes earlier treaties. Then it cannot be amended or revoked except by further treaty or an instrument equivalent to a treaty, such as a protocol. Britain would need to get agreement of all other member states for that.’
UKIPWebmaster is correct, and it’s a shame only about people in the country have realised this
If one of therm were Cameron we might stand a chance.
Luckily I’m old so there’s no point my taking to the streets
DC aint no Margaret Thatcher
But as the Czecho bloke said ” Why has Britain waited so long to object?” or words to that effect, and I fear that judging by his latest pronouncements Mr. Hannan has been castrated. Tut-tut; showed such promise too!
What’s to stop the next government – any government – witholding the mountain of dosh that is paid to those thieving bastards across the Channel?
Don’t say I never warned you – when the tories left office they were gunning for the adminstrative / managerial classes – before long they will come after you, please believe me, I know.
when wot?
Do the men and women who fought for this countries independence and freedom not get a say in the plan to hand over all our national independence to a foreign based parliament?
READ THIS BOOK TO FIND OUT WHAT OUR WW2 VETERANS THINK OF OUR POLITICIANS OF ALL PARTIES!!!!!!!!!!!!! The thought of a European President Blair thoroughly disgusts and outrages them!!!
The Unknown Warriors
You might find this interesting:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/irish-referendum-outcome-is-null-and-void.html
Welcome to the New World Order.
What is Bono’s pronouncement on the situation?
Who gives a fuck? David Letterman?
I may sound arrogant but please bear with me: what right have these politicians who are supposed to be of service to us (we lend them the power) to decide what is good for us? If the mood is as indicated (most of the population are eurosceptic including absolute patriots observing our unwritten constitution) then they should be drawing up ideas and plans to accomodate what we want.
I was brought up in a country of Royal sovereignty, paliamentary democracy with a proud military and navy who delighted my family and I at traditional parades and rememberence with reverence. No one has asked me yet that we accept laws from abroad and other social policy. I want a say now; there is no better time than the next election. The way I see the matter is that it is not up for debate anyway.
Hear. Hear. We want and need a Winston Churchill and all that we are offered is a David Cameron. How I wish that Davis had not made such an arse of himself. How I wish that he were leading the party.
He’d only make an arse of himself.
Right, double right and right again!
Look! – I have a clear and simple message :
Trust me and the little woman – y’kno the one with the big gob!
Cos, y’kno, – I’m straight kinda guy!
I’m straighter than you y’kno
My message is clear as crsytal – the British public will get a referendum on lisbon, unless they don’t
Hey Davey love! – you an’ me can work together! – like we did when first you were made up to be Leader of the Cons.
I’ll get my propaganda boys – sorry press attaches – to fix you up with some 15 page leaflets you can distribute.
Trust me – I’m a straight kinda guy.
I really think that Blair will do an amazing job as President of the Euro Super State. I know plenty of Americans that would vote for him!
And in the good old US of A, we have a dodgy Bat Eared Raconteur. A man high on Rhetoric, and short on cost effective policies.
Blair will be almost Identical. What worries me more is the thought of Gorgon trying to get in on the act and follow his hero.
Best shut up now. We all know what happened to Dr David Kelly!
Bump, Ooooppps.
Cameron has given us the message, he takes his orders from Brussels ” NO REFERENDUM”. Soon he will be hated and despised just like G B.
Well he’s pushing his luck and if any of his supporters have an idea to be elected to parliament they had best put up their message to him this week.
PS If I was a Tory parliamentary candidate I would be planning a home mortgage for more than six months on present salary either.
Would Not I mean? Yes
Obviously the arguing was not in that place, that’s been reserved for the TV interviews where the Tories are getting their backsides tanned by New Labour and their luvvies with the Tories Euro open goal.
Thats all sorted then.
GET OVER HER – Thatcher is Gone, geddit ?
Actually no I don’t geddit.
The evil that men do lives after them.
Had it not been for Thatcher, might the UK have escaped the Stalinist excesses of New Labour?
Do you realize how stupid what you have just said is?
Do you realize how stupid what you have just said is?
No please explain.
Elections are lost not won.
Thatcher stayed in office far to long, and the Tory party became the unelectble corrupt body, which gave rise to an even more corrupt, but sadly, more electable body which has brought us to this sorry pass.
Thatcher made Westmister a safe place for incompentant and corrupt poiticians. Blair was her natural sucessor.
I think there is an easy solution.
1. No government cash to any organisation that doesn’t publish clean audited accounts.
2. Fraud involving UK government money is a crime against UK law no matter where it takes place.
3. FOI applies to anything involving UK money.
4. Denying FOI is a crime in UK law.
That solves almost all EU problems.
For example, those secret audit reports. Request goes in for the information. If anyone in the EU says know, European arrest warrant, and we jail them. Low cost option, they get repatriated to serve out their sentence elsewhere, so its cheap
Delivery of the document, means a Euro arrest warrant for all those involved. Same as above.
Since they haven’t signed off, its illegal to give the EU cash. Makes it cheap.
Just play the game using the rules, but play it to your advantage
Nick
Ingenious!
Pinching my name,but I agree
Nick. I love it!
Play the bastards at their own game. Thats always the Achilles of the corrupt bureaucrat. Unfortunatly we are all getting use to the double standards of them and us. The media WONT get it and the people appear not to understand what’s at stake.
How can we fight them?
To quote Bob
“Take the rag away from your face.
Now ain’t the time for your tears”
Shouldn’t rely on Czechs or Poles-this is our fight. As Churchill cartoon said”very well alone!!”
nil desperandum- and if you know your history, its enough to make your heart go warm(sorry to quote Everton song)
To voters of all colours remember- country before party!!!
What was the Audit Commission for then?
Ask Marta Andresson she sat in it or don’t you UKIP people talk to each other ?
Impossible under Lisbon
You money folk are in for a big disappointment – you will be wishing you had Gordon Brown back.
‘You money folk’… What are you then, Peedo, barter only? I thought you needed transferable skills or something worthwhile to swap for that. What you got to exchange (apart fron the contents of your hard-drive), ring-time?
This is such a good suggestion that there’s probably a clause in the Lisbon treaty devoted to nullifying it as a possibility.
… and it would mean the BBC woul have to answer a few more questions about who gets paid what …
Exactly. Kills lots of birds with one stone.
The way to introduce it is to make it general, and waffle on about FOI at the BBC etc.
Fraud is all about porking MPs.
Then, its in law and woops, it applies to the EU
Lisbon has the catch-all self modifying clause. So, if there isn’t such a rule, they can just write one.
here’s an easier solution
a referendum on lisbon
Like it Centurion!
Err point 2 has a big problem now, never mind when the cesspit of brussels starts telling us how much tax to pay it: no MP has been even so much as charged with theft from the taxpayer let alone done time.
Sounds just as it should be to me. Hitchens loves the sound of his own voice too much and Dan’s got the measure of what needs to be done.
Bolshevik BC following a massive split agenda!
Dan’s a pussy same as Dave
Ireland get two votes on Lisbon and we won’t get any under CMD
pathetic
Cameron is an iceberg you are all sleep walkign into WAKE UP
Brown has already steared UK PLC into the iceberg and we are sinking fast. DO KEEP UP.
Yeah. dave is just coming round to see what to do about lifeboats and who can get off on it and who’s left and suffers
I’m pleased your name is feeling much better today. It was just a bit sordid recently. Some ladies might like a tramp, but none that I know enjoy being pawed. So now you can talk the talk, may we expect Guido Walkes tomorrow?
DAVE, YOU MUST COMMIT TO A REFERENDUM IN ANY EVENT!
NO!
If lisbon is in force by the time they get in then we should leave the EU
NO REFERENDUM as it might end up with people imagining the EU they want it to be and wanting to be a part of that (which it isn’t)
It’s just all the lefties that are trying to whip up a storm which just isn’t there – his stance at the moment is fine and you know it – a referendum on something after it has happened is just a huge waste.
I beg to differ. A post Lisbon ‘NO’ would clearly signify to the world that the UK government had acted ultra vires in not consulting the people on a fundamental Constitutional change and the Treaty is consequently of null effect throughout the entire EU.
Exactly.
a referendum on something after it has happened is just a huge waste.?
Not if it gets you elected and avoids a hung parliament.
The geezer going the wrong way with a ballot box looks a bit dodgy:
Amazing! Good to see that some guys in Ireland were on the look out for ballot-rigging. I just hope everyone wakes up to it now. The swing from last time was suspiciously large. Now we can see why….
Frightening. Last week,we were told the vote was 50/50,and then surprise,surprise a 67% yes vote.
Bloody Hell! As mentioned elsewhere on this site, there are some saying the vote was rigged. See prison planet, infowars ireland, rumourmillnews, etc.
You’ve got to admit that the Irish appear to know how to get the right result. Wonder if they had any help from Scotland?
Someone did the same in the east midlands with the B&P vote boxes.
I’ve long suspected – as a seasoned ‘conspiracist’ – that more voting slips are printed than are actually required, hidden between various printers of course so that no one suspects anything…
How difficult is it to have duplicate marked vans to transport ballot boxes from the polling station to the count, only to be intercepted and replaced on the journey with said duplicate containing the ‘required results’ within duplicate ballot boxes.
IT’S TIME TO COUNT AT THE SITE OF THE “ELECTION” AND FOR THE RESULTS TO BE COMMUNICATED VIA THE INTERNET with PROPER adjudicators.
Better still, it’s time to leave the EU and become a sovereign, independent and responsible country – possibly for the first time in history….
Spot on Sukyspook
Lesser things happen in the old soviet states and the elections are condemned.
Splendid stuff! Don’t tell me we’re all getting some backbone? FINALLY! Would that my father were alive to read all this!
Is this what Lord Milly Molly Mandy means by post-democratic?
Better off out!
than in
Absofeckinlutely. The sooner the better.
Volunteer for UKIP?
“Volunteer for UKIP?”
Ivor, I did that in 2003/4, even became a PPC….was a member for 5 years just lapsed.
Remember they wouldn’t stand in 2 by-elections in Leicester South and another in Birmingham after tremendous success in 2004 EU elections….. They said “we’re not ready” to stand for UK parliament – we volunteers said: “we’re ready for anything – 24/7″…..
I went to Veritas – imo a psyop if ever I saw one….designed to split what could have been a extremely successful result….sigh
An mep asked me for my membership card back after I’d worked my butt off helping to get him elected…. ungrateful so and so….
All leads me to confirm my suspicions that UKIP is a NuLab front to split the Tory vote! Troughers, too!
The Conservatives are the only realistic way of achieving a Eurosceptic scenario, as you need to be in power to influence Brussels.
UKIP etc make much noise but can only have the effect of making it less likely to defeat Labour if they attract a large vote.
Ah yes you see, but I’m not a politician. I want a referendum, and if the Conservatives confirm they will give us one then they have my vote, particularly encouraged by Hague’s excellent speech. But no referendum, and there will be no vote from me in my marginal constituency. It’s a matter of principle you see.
offering the long suffering british public a lisbon referendum would be a vote winner of massive proportions
the public cannot wait to tell an undemocratic superstate under president blair exactly where they can shove their totalitarian E.U. madness
If that was true then why weren’t the Conservatives way ahead in the polls after Brown supported by Clegg reneged on their manifesto commitment to hold a refrerendum.
Europe is way down the list of peoples priorities in a general election.
the expenses scandal
and europe will move rapidly up the agenda when president blair arrives
It might have been in the past I grant you but reality is setting in fast.
There is only a rush on bread when you’ve been told time is getting short to buy any.
Then you will have 5 more years of Brown with Britain even more subsumed in a Federal Europe.
Vote Tory or get Brown. It’s the only game in town.
brown couldn’t win if the liberals and conservative party were outlawed tomorrow
an option I’m sure president blair would approve of
No referendum, no Conservative vote.
With all laws originating in Brussels there’s no point voting.
They said that about Labour when there were only Tories and Wigs
I would have thought that if Dave announced now that he would give the British people their promised referendum as soon as he took office, that that would be enough in its own right to delay ratification of the Treaty, regardless of the Czechs and Poles.
At the very least, it would kill off the insulting pretence of democracy peddled by the Eurocrats.
It would expose them to the peoples of Europe for the totalitarian dictators that they are. The sham would be over.
It doesn’t really matter whether there’s a row or not. The media won’t be cheated of their prey, and will manufacture one if they have to.
AlJaBeeba and in particular the more and more motheaten Brillo have gone into over-drive disrupting the flow of the tory message and their continuos negative questioning
Get rid of it, it is broken beyond repair.
Pathetic.
Been watching the Conference on TV it’s got a strange mooted feel to it.
Not sure if the policy on Incapacity Benefit will do any good given the rising unemployment figures.
No mention of European Union and immigration.
Some mention about the creation of sixty (yes just 60) thousand jobs.
Would have liked to see something bold like a massive increase in the tax free allowances to tax low earners completely out of tax system to say £18,000 and simplify the tax system and reduce the tax rate.
Also need to slash the red tape to encourage and help micro and small businesses.
Do you mean ‘muted’? or perhaps ‘moated’?
Labour are so desperate for policies that they will nick any good Tory ideas. Brown even had to nick BeeNP policies FFS. The Conservatives are keeping their powder dry as Labour self-destruct
Sorry but they’ve been “keeping the powder dry” for so long, I really don’t beleive they have any.
Osbourne got some, well he did have, it might have all gone up his nose by now.
Realistically what are all these jobs going to be, at some stage the link between population and food production will have to be restored, starting training surplus school leavers
No row because everyone wants to be in the EU now even Icelanders who’s parliament voted in July 2009 to apply to join the EU.
Dan Hannan is gutted, filletted and frozen.
As one day you will be also.
May 6th 2010 ???
Whose. Filleted.
spell check, and thanks
18.00 MB
time for you to go home
and update the CV…the times they are a changin
No factual basis for this comment as the Irish are the first country to hold a referendum on this constitution. On the previous, almost identical, treaty Spain and Luxembourg voted in favour and France, Holland and Ireland voted against.
But then MB, you and your chump mates don’t care about truth or the will of the people. You are undemocratic and proud of it – standard Leninist vanguard attitude.
yes but he will cry for you to follow democracy and show mercy when he’s on the back hoof and about to be exterminated for the good of the country.
You guys really do obsess about the going over Hannan gave Brown don’t you? It’s like he’s got his own little team of Labour-sponsored stalkers.
Get over it guys. He took Brown apart. And he was right.
Baiter
Speak for yourself Wank boy
I am not suprised to hear that Iceland have had to go cap-in-hand to the EU after their banking collapse.
Iceland saw what happend to the the Irish after they said No and decided they wouldn’t like anything nasty introduced into their food production.
‘everyone wants to be in the EU’ Norway don’t. Switzerland don’t. Get your story straight MB.
Why should this have any efect on Hannan. PS any news on Coulsongate which you said would explode across the media in the summer?
PS why has Gordon scrapped tax relief on employer’s childcare schemes? Does he have a clue what thay means?
irish bastards
Who are?
“thought that there was a real chance the Czechs could hold the line”
I bloody well hope so – but I’m not sure they can hold on.
I’d love to know what makes Hannan and Pickles so confident that the Czech’s will hold out…………
The Czechs only have to hold out for this week then all the Conservitude party rank file file molluscs will be back in their god forsaken poxy little Englander homes.
that’s the plan
its gone the way of the PEAR….
No referendum, no vote!
If the treacherous Bruin ratifies, it would then leave room for Davey to ‘come-out’ and promise a full in/out referendum after or at GE, imagine te total ZaNuLiebore destruction.
Added sweetener of seeing all those Gravy train career asprirations of ZaNu aristocracy evaporating just as they are most needed
Even better if the timing is such that Blair is President and Baroness of Boy is his foreign sec, and then we leave, fantastic
Go on Dave, you know it makes sense, hero for a generation!
UM. If? He already has.
And HM The Queen has put her moniker to it. we have been thrown overboard like too little fish on an EU fishing boat in British waters. We need to cut this net away so we can live and grow and raise families in our own land. We don’t want to be tossed into a frying panEuropean.
Not much point in holding a referendum once the treaty has been ratified. Question is whether Brown had a mandate to sign when a) he knew that the majority of the population was against it and b) when in refusing a referendum he was breaking an election promise by the labour party to hold one. Come to think of it, no government has had a mandate to take us into a european superstate, ceding our sovereignty in so doing. The only chance we have had to vote was on whether we wanted a free trade area. Obviously we did and were stupid enough to trust Ted Heath when he assured us that that was all that was involved. Surely however we have the right to negotiate back some of the powers we have given up for nothing. None of the major European countries want to lose us or our domestic market and so we have and have always had an extremely strong hand.
abrogation
He didn’t have the power.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1385824/Christopher-Bookers-Notebook.html
EU law can only override the will of Parliament because Parliament agrees to allow it do so through the European Communities Act. But there is nothing in this Act,which allows the EU or any of its institutions, including the European Court of Justice, to “qualify the conditions of Parliament’s legislative supremacy in the United Kingdom.
Not because the legislature chose not to allow it; because by our law it could not allow it.” The EU cannot overrule Parliament: “Being sovereign, it cannot abandon its sovereignty.”
Again, Susie. (Not to you personall but in general blogging circles) Why did Her Majesty QE2 sign it orf then? Was it because she had been aware that someday this little nugget of legal principle will be dug up and thrown in the face of traitors?
And. Who are these ‘dark forces’ she mentioned to wotsisname the Diana Butler?
She is herself a traitor and hopes to secure her families future for centuries to come.
Stop the fcking about and give us a vote: in or out. In and we become part of an EU superstate and be ruled by emperor Blair (Mrs Chops and I will be leaving the country). Out and we can go our own way and just trade with our Euro-chums. Simples.
What annoys me is the constant lies, deceit and underhand manner that our rights and freedoms are transferred away on the quiet by elected traitors.
Chops, Where you off to?
Wood.
I’m off as soon as all sold up. North Europe. Our kid lives a good life there. bloody cold and long nights but free.
And UN got it as top of the pops. Will take my profession(one of those which allows Non-EU citizens a fast track to Uk), War pension and two healthy and bright kids, and unfortunatly the misses as well.
Will be back for the fireworks though-am sure a good shot and ability to stand fast will be needed.
Morfe on Fat Boy Fatman aka Eric Pickles.
Dear me. I thought the Conservative Party understood brands. Saatchi would never have let the FBF get near a television set. He frightens my dog.
he sounds like a kiddy-fiddler
he obviously isn’t but he does sound creepier than Hannibal Lecter on mogadon
Shut -ya- fookin face!
Don’t think he is a kiddy fiddler, but he is certainly an expenses fiddler. They should have taken the chance to get rid of him in May.
The Tories won’t stand a chance if people start taking things too seriously – get in a dirty spat about Europe and you’ll find yourself facing a Lab/LibDem government from the opposition benches in 2010.
God forbid!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Brown wouldn’t win if he promised every voter in the UK £1,000,000 each
he’s Fucked. Done. Finished. a dead parrot.
We might all get to be millionaires soon! It will enough to buy a turnip, if there were any.
Dan Hannan’s love of Iceland is melting since they:
1. Went bust because they had followed the economic and financial policies he espouses.
2. Decided to elect a government that campaigned to apply to join the European Union.
Icelanders’ hatred of Dan Hannan and all ‘free market’ ideologues is blazing hot.
Dan Hannan has sooper swivelly eyes!
Eye eye cap’n Birds Eye!
I’ve put a man overboard for less!
They don’t go much on G Brown either. I might be wrong, but I thought he was Chancellor at the time of the bubble and Prime Minister at the time the Icelanders were hung out to dry. Your facts haven’t improved much MB.
I’m a bit concerened for you MB. You seem obsessed by Dan Hannan.
Is it ‘cos he demolished the Maximum Imbecile in such excellent style? I rather think it is.
Get over it.
The Icelanders hate Brown because he effectively treated them as terrorists using inappropriate legislation during the credit crunch. Amazingly he is probably hated more in Rekjavik than he is in the UK if that can be imagined.
They have never heard of Hannan.
‘Went bust because they had followed the economic and financial policies he espouses’
And which were espoused by Blair and Brown.
‘Decided to elect a government that campaigned to apply to join the European Union’
Unlike us will let the population vote on this issue. Their parliament voted in favour of discussions by 5 votes -hardly a landslide.
‘Icelanders’ hatred of Dan Hannan and all ‘free market’ ideologues is blazing hot’
Evidence please. Remind me who used anti-terrorism legislation against them? I gather they were not pleased about that either.
‘Eye eye cap’n Birds Eye!’
That’s better – back to your usual ramblings
Put in more effort, then it might amount to a row of beans.
According to a rather angry lady just now on PM at 5PM, PPCs were issued with an instruction not to talk to the meejah today, is this true?
Of course it’s true. Why on earth do you think the pathetic lying Party line Spin about there being no disagreement over Lisbon has been fed to the drones ?
Wheres all them EU pies!
Prezza ate them all!
I scoffed the lot.
Yeah, – including Dave’s Humble one
What about all the ones that Blair has his fingers in?
Well, he’s hardly going to say “I’m plotting Guido and here are the details”, is he?
Ditry two-faced tow-rags!
It would be the height of folly to reveal the entrance of the tunnel you are proposing to use for your escape — and escape Lisbon we — the 700 million people of Europe — all will. Keep the powder dry is the order of the day.
there is little you can you do if the Irish beleive they have done the right thing by voting for lisbon , perhaps they are having a few smirks at the political hangover , but there will always be this issue that they took it up not in a period of ecnomic freedom , but in economic ruin . I think they have made a mistake in that they will now celebrate external rule , as given to them by the pro euorpeans on the payroll .
I dont want to have a row over it , they have made a decision in a time of national bankruptacy and it will take time perhaps decades for the small print to be regretted . But it is there decision !.
wonder what the taishoc will be called ?
hello chums , your right , its unfortunate such things exist
Im going to see up a CULT,
no one under 50inch waist.
Are you saying “set up a CULT”, or see up a KILT?
There’s a row going on here about the eu
http://page.politicshome.com/uk/lisbon_referndum_after_ratification_absurd_says_rifkind.html
between UKIP and Labour trolls from what I can see
keep spinning little party drone
stop talking to yourself
har har i dont belong to any party and am not a drone.you aksed were the row is i just hit that page that all sorry it not to you liking dude
dude??
Good grief! Is this an American teen movie, or what?!
here’s some more
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1218150/MELANIE-PHILLIPS-If-Cameron-doesnt-stop-Blair-shoehorned-EU-President-therell-point-Britains-Prime-Minister.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6861460.ece
been looking for the old hale and pace video’s to you may no the clip im looking for its the {Thats why im on YTS} were he geting torchered if anyone’s can find it and link it for me plz
I know there’s a row
you know there’s a row
Dave knows there’s a row
Boris knows there’s a row
it’s the little party drones and minions who are obviously trying to pretend ther isn’t and silence all dissent on Lisbon to make CMD a happy bunny. he might even give them a pat on the head for their poodling on message spinning
Well that’s the thing about supporting UKIP-you don’t have to be in it to win it.Innit
There will be a whole lot of Tory members and supporters who will be delighted at a UKIP victory. After that I will vote Conservative (with the right, patriotic leadership in place, such as Hannan and Hague if he changes to 100% loyalty to this country.
Fredinand Porsche designed the Tiger tank
Are you loyal to the Reich ?
Deine Ehre heisst Treue.
So . . . . he’s Prezza now is he.
What a wonderful man!
The EU-Row is on the BBC. Catch it in full at 6pm. 10pm and updates every half hour. If you miss it you can catch it on Robinson’s blog.
What row? it’s all in the Labour mind.
Oh no it isn’t.
PS 24 hour rolling covergae of The Row on News 24.
Laughable…………….
Better to watch BBC Parliament. No rows, just great speeches (from Hague in particular) pretty good music and smiles all round. Good vibes.
Another thing I’ve noticed, especially on the NHS platform, were health professionals such as GPs and charities. The founder and director of Whizz Kids (mobility aids for disabled children) and the Head of Cancer Research well represented. Serious people dedicated to making life better for us all.
What did Labour offer up last week? C list celebs, Fiona Phillips and Eddie Izzard. Oh and a deranged union guy who had to check which side of The Sun had been pre-torn for him. Pathetic.
Why should I be interested in speeches by liars. No referendum no Tory vote.
No in/out referendum is a no vote from me. Mine is going to UKIP with donations and walking the walk
keep walking, and if you see any Libdems better run away
Of course Hague made a great speech. He IS one of the greatest speakers of all time. If his mother’s father had passed on the genes for a lovely head of hair he’d have become PM years ago.
Paradoxically it is passed down the mother’s line. It was not his granddad’s fault so he can rest in peace ayeup.
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/Lisbon-ref/ — We the undersigned
petition the Prime Minister to have a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty.
G E T S T U F F E D !
The EU row is being manufactured by Campbell, Mandelson and the Labour party’s disinformation unit gleefully assisted by the disgraceful BBC. That doesn’t mean that there isn’t a lot of anger in the Tory party about Cameron’s lily livered approach but there isn’t going to be a public row about it just to please the left and their mates in the media.
What there also might not be though are enough Tory activists and members willing to get out and campaign for the Heir to Blair, and that will stuff the Cameroons just as effectively as the BBC are trying to.
Ultimately as the Anarchists say;
“Whoever you vote for a lying theiving bastard politician wins!”
These days the only difference between them is what school they went to, Hunts!
At least Guido can’t send us the “fat lady” postcards from Manchester, which must be a good start. Watching proceedings so far it looks more cheerful than “Dullton” was last week.
And a lot more well attended.
Well filled out and stretching at the seams bursting with voluptulous heaving for Euroenthusiasts
The EU split story is pure invention by the BBC and the Labour Party black propagandists. They’ve been telling lies at the insistence of Mandelson and Campbell ever since they broadcast made-up fantasies about non-existent weapons of mass destruction and the ‘suicide’ of Dr David Kelly..
At last some sanity prevails!
I think you’ll find some Conservatives still put core principles before spinning expediency
http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-news/1273-tory-defectors-line-up-to-join-ukip
and the rest
I really can’t see why they’re all getting so exicited about this. The answer to all the leftie media that keep pressing the point is simple. Cameron missed a trick with Marr. What he should have said is ‘Brown and Blair reneged on a manifesto pledge to hold a referendum. You are now only asking this question because they both lied. In their position I would have abided by the pledge.’
It’s bleeding obvious that he can’t do anything if the treaty is ratified by the time he takes office. But I bet he’s been talking to the Czech PM and urging him to prevaricate until we can have our say.
Give a man enough rope I say. Labour would love the Conservatives to claw each other’s eyes out over Europe, dream on Gordon it’s not going to happen. No referendum on Europe, just ask Gordon.
We have a reasonable expectation of wanting to know what we are voting for.
I want a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty. I know Labour are liars and traitors, but are the Tories any different. No referendum no Tory vote,
ABROGATION
Browned Off.
“It’s bleeding obvious that he can’t do anything if the treaty is ratified by the time he takes office.”
Everyone’s saying it, but it ain’t true.
If people had thought like that sixtynine years ago you and I would be blogging in German, if we were allowed to blog at all.
Now is the time for Cameron to stand up and state that this moribund Government has no mandate to ratify the treaty and that any illegitimate ratification will be overruled.
OK Grandad – I’ll go with that
Well said GG. But the correct time to do that is from the Dispatch Box when he’s PM and the legal reasons why.
Too late then Suzie. Now is the hour. There is no stronger legal position on earth, than that of “no mandate”.
Not only that, it would get him 95% of the very large vote which will otherwise go to U.K.I.P.
If we could trust him.
We can’t trust him. He is not honest and is just a boy. I would make it law that no one who did not listen on the day to Churchill’s “Some chicken ——–some neck!” speech ( on the Beeb, the good old Beeb in those days) would be eligible for the post of P.M. There’s ageism for you!
I’m going to vote Liberal.
Or not.
like Nigel Farage
The only ones getting excited about a European row are labour and the media.
Who else in their right mind would be stupid enough.
Lisbon is yesterday’s news. Today is the time to sort out this country and that won’t be done by the EU or labour.
The EU have plenty of problems to sort out in Euroland. We need to concentrate on our own currency.
Well said my man, your country needs you!
one post will do Lizzie
no need to manufacture consent on Lisbon like Dave is trying to desperately do
but . .. one of the big probs for the EUSSR is that Little Squitty Britty Land isn’t joined up yet.
They need us money – water – space – stupidity – sales potential – and above all – POWER, – just for it’s own sake, – y’kno – bossing people about.
It’s a socialist thingy.
The frenchy holds two fingers up. The brits cower.
Watch this space.
Quite right. Time to sort out Bliar & Brown’s Broken Bankrupt Britain.
Then unleash Lord Tebbit, complete with chainsaw, upon the BBC and watch those marxist piggies squeal
my ‘ead hurts……
It’s a massive mistake falling into the media trap of turning the disaster of Lisbon into personality politics centred on Blair. We should be rioting at the prospect of being ruled by an unelected EU president – no matter who it is.
What if, after all this fuss, Blair doesn’t get the job ? It’s all OK then ?
OFGS! . . . Well . . let’s spring the trap then! Can it be that difficult!
Better still . . have it writing! Nice and clear like. No mealy-mouthed words. No Noo_Lie_Bore double-speak.
Cut the cackle . . get on with the job. There’s lots to do.
Anyone see useless lump Bob and his mate Alan Johnson in Afghanistan, a solidier said they needed more stuff to his face.
Another cynical attempt to use our brave troops slogging it out in Afghanistan to distract attention from the Conservative party conference. Labour have no shame.
Truth Sayer.
Yes I saw that pair of useless tossers Aintworthnothin and Postman Pat,reminded me a bit of laurel and hardy.
If there weren,t any soldiers around a RPG would have done the trick and got rid off the treacherous scum.
TS – please try harder. Your post is interesting, or would be if we could understand it. A ‘solidier?’ What does “more stuff to his face” mean?
Hitchens is not as loopy as his brother. But it is a photo finish…
Yeah forget the Lisbon Treaty, it’s so yesterday!
Let’s walk right on in to a federal Europe!
Right on!!!
Iis Camoron a wimp or what?
No referendum!
No withdrawal from the EU!
No leadership!
I’m so misunderstood. Sorry I didn’t mean forget the Lisbon thing I meant leave it on the backburner until the Euro goes down the pan.
And it will. All the banks are quietly moving key personnel to the Far East.
Susie – fascinating stuff. Can we have more details, please?
From the FT: “HSBC announced yesterday (25th September) that chief executive Michael Geoghegan would move from London to Hong Kong, signalling the bank’s determination to expand in China and across Asia”.
Not what you’d call ‘quiet’ but as senior a figure as London can muster. Honkers and Shankers’ UK operation will be run by a high-ranking Viceroy.
I was at school with both the Hitchens brothers. Same house. The same was true then as it is of the them now
Hitchens senior needs to get over himself
Hitchens junior needs to get over Hitchens senior.
They should both get over a cliff
Guido was that you I nearly hit crossing the road just down from the Midland hotel? sorry chum I was a bit pee’d off at being turned back by Plod when i needed to nip to the bank in town. I’ll
Another unpalatable fact for all those that wish to” go to the barricades” over Lisbon and a referendum -You can’t achieve anything in Opposition and if the Conservatives fail to get elected because of a row over Lisbon then the eurosceptics can rage as much as they want because one thing is absolutely certain neither the Labour Party or the LibDems will do anything about either Lisbon or trying to re-negotiate some aspects of it and as for anyone thinking that UKIP has a cat in hells chance of achieving government irrespective of whether they’re fielding 500 MPs or not is a bigger loon than our present Prime Minister. All that will achieve is handing the election to Labour either outright or with a Lib/Lab Pact Mk2 courtesy of Clegg and Cable.
Even Dan Hannan realises the futility of offering a referendum on Lisbon if the Poles and Czechs ratify(listen to him on BBC Daily Politics) and that it will be difficult to try re-negotiation after ratification.The same goes for Boris too
And finally without Cameron the Conservative Party would still be looking at another 5 years in Opposition as Hague and Howard discovered in 2001 & 2005 respectively.
So once more so the message sinks in – you have to actually achieve power to do anything and a row over Europe is just what Labour wants. So if you want another 5 years of Brown & Co be my guest – rubbish Cameron and keep fantasing about mass street protests,Hannan as PM or a UKIP Government triumphantly withdrawing from Europe – it’s all total fantasy
One day people will wake up and smash both three parties.
*the big three
“You can’t achieve anything in Opposition ” Post Lisbon, what will they acheive in government ?
What are they going to renegotiate and how ? What’s to stop the EU from just telling Cameron to **** off ?
ten billion quid per year .
And Labour is total reality. Only way to get rid of them is to vote in the Tories.
All an elected government needs to say to the EU when its in power, regardless of whether the treaty is ratified or not is this:
FUCK YOU!
And then see if they want to do something about it.
Time to stop with all the nicey nicey stuff and tell em where to go.
This country and its people are world leaders, not a satellite state for unelected euroHunts who we’ve beaten up before.
Question. We joined the then Common Market in 1972 by signing the Treaty of Rome. In 1975 Wilson gave the UK electorate a vote on ‘staying in’ or ‘getting out’. We know the result but at no time during that campaign was it ever even intimated that, if the vote had gone the other way, we could not pull out.
By signing the Lisbon Treaty, surely the same type of legal document as the Rome Treaty, we are now tild we cannot renege on it once ratified.
Would any legal eagle out there be able to clarify why this treaty seems binding and the Rome one didn’t seem to be?
I seriously loathe both Simon Heffer & Peter Hitchens. They hate Labour but equally hate the Conservatives. What they NEVER do is tell us who THEY will vote for. I guess that would be too easy, much more fun just trashing everybody and never coming up with a positive idea.
Hitchens is quite entertaining but also quite mad. He reckons if no Conservative voters vote for David Cameron then both the Conservative and Labour parties would collapse. I’d say he’s the closest thing we have to Glenn Beck in terms of nutjob conspiracy theorists with a chip on their shoulder.
Serious personal issues here stemming from a surfeit of Grauniad methinks. First, it’s a secret ballot. Second, what makes you think the tossers always tell the truth. Third, who cares which way their 2 votes went anyway. Fourth, what exactly is wrong with always voting the incumbent bastards out?
Sounds to me like this treaty is a “dead man walking” already. Even if it gets ratified, the Tories will find some way of undoing it by hook or by crook.
We, the British people, did not want this treaty. We were not even asked about it. We were told we would be asked about it when our votes were required, then shamefully told to sod off by Brown and Clegg when we required their votes in the Commons.
The EU cannot continue to overrule the will of the peoples of the continent, because that is the way to store up trouble. We need referenda in ALL countries, and the EU must listen to the results, not ignore them.
“The EU cannot continue to overrule the will of the peoples of the continent”
Uh, how come ? Seem to be making a damn good stab at it so far.
Water makes a big difference to situation. Our whole history is based on water and being an island. We can identify infiltrators and our accents are ghard to copy until very recently before mass transport. On the continent there has always been a lot of language and culture overlap especially at border areas so it is much easier for them to feel tied together even without interfering politicians and warmongers. We are different and I don’t want much more change than we have suffered thus far. We have always traded with europe and have been friends without political interference. It is all about politics and power and we should cut politicians down to size now! Only politicians start wars.
I’ll have a pint of whatever he’s on please, waiter
Yes -and helped by those arch-troughers, the “socialist” Welsh Windbag and his cretinous, schoolteacher wife, who’s out of her depth and just in it to double up on the nice little earner her failed politician husband trousers each year. This pair of twats, and dozens like them, are literally selling Britain down the pan for their bank balances. Sod the lot of them.
As a previous poster said about the kinnocks, they are the ultimate hypocrites.
Both spent their political lives campaigning against the EU – now sucking at the EU tit. Both were against the House of Lords, now Lord and Baroness. God, what absolute scum.
In the long term Gooey Blob is absolutely right .
When the nazis in charge seriously overstep the mark there will be an uprising on the continent which will lead to civil war.
And talk of concessions to the Lisboin Treaty is bollocks because if concessions were made to a particular member which did not apply to another or demeans another in any way involving property or money that will be the cause of a civil war. The Treaty can not be negotiated. Period. Don’t be fooled that it can.
Abrogations an option, Hannans a paper tiger now with less courage than the London Mayor, a European Super-State will render any attempt to Govern from the UK almost meaningless with Tony B.Liar calling the shots, and Gordie the moron would still lose the Election if the entire shadow cabinet were hit by a bus tomorrow.
I am sick of hearing the assertion that to modify the EU the UK should be at the heart of Europe.
The abominable Blair has used that deception since 1994 .
Where has that argument taken us if not to an inglorious subservience to the
Neo Nazis infesting the commission ?
Hitler and his gangsters did not make us surrender but we have been defeated by the home grown traitors Heath,Blair and Brown.
I probabably should exclude Brown because “Gordon loves this country ”
according to his dimwitted ,compliant ,barmy wife .
As ALF would have said , “Silly moo “
Well an unofficial boycott of all European goods is in order. If the French can do it to our beef, we can do it to their cars, food, wine, holiday destinations, electrical goods, supermarkets. Most stuff comes from China, India, South Korea and Japan anyway.
How about a no-VAT week? The whole nation stops buying or paying VAT-able services for a week. Good practice for the dark times ahead.
how about we don’t pay rates or the TV license? they cant put us all in jail
Just the ringleaders Debs…pack your toothbrush gel!
“First, you must implicitly obey orders… Secondly, you must consider every man as your enemy who speaks ill of your King… And thirdly, you must hate a Frenchman as you do the devil”
Silly moo, indeed. I heard her pathetic little speech at the Labour ‘conference.’ Didn’t Cyclops say he’d never use his family in public again? Anyhow, I thought she sounded a bit thick, too.
Well now we know the benefits of being in Europe – no fishing, no manufacturing, nonsensical laws governing the minutiae of our lives, irrelevance of our parliament, massive payments just for being – I really don’t understand why we don’t roll over for more of the same!
On Channel 4 Jon Snow saying the Tories have theological divisions on Europe. Earnest woman on the BBC saying that Europe is the issue that won’t go away for the Tories. Thats because the state-owned media network won’t stop going on about it.
That’s because the left love the EU, it’s the place they all go to when no fucker wants to elect them, oh and the BBC have had several cash handouts from the EU.
Am I wrond, or have the Beeb taken on Labour Spin onference Reporters!
I’ll try that again!
Am I wrong, or have the Beeb taken on Labour Spin Doctors as Conference Reporters!
The only row is in the minds of the fucking BBC who just won’t give up going on and on and on about Europe.
The problem is MOST of the public are with the Tories on a referendum and all that the BBC are doing is reminding people that the turd sniffing gay one eyed jock lied to us.
And I notice that Toenails finally reminded us that Liebour are planning to cut benefits for thick drug addled council estate chavs as well, so why didn’t fucking Toenails question the Gorgon about it last week?
Is Cameron’s tactic to go Yes/No/Yes/No/Maybe on a referendum now – and then change this to a definite Yes once the election is called?
If so that would obliterate the Labour Party.
Clever, clever, C L E V E R !!!
You mean, like . . . dance like a butterfly, sting like a bee, or somesuch as suggested Mr Clay the boxer?
I’m sure they’ve got a cunning plan. There’s more ways to skin a cat and unlike Labour they have some of the finest legal minds in the world on-side who will undercut this
constitutionTreaty.An international criminal barrister of my acquaintance said the entire legal profession has nothing but total professional contempt for Bliar and his missus’ abilities… his verdict? They’re no damn good at their job. The guys who drew up and wrote the
constitutionTreaty used a completely different legal system to ours and it’ll be full of legal holes.Glad to read that Susie, -
Who in their right mind would reveal their tactics before they were ready?
Certainly not Cameron. He knows something the rest don’t. And it’s getting right up their noses.
Dave certanily knows he’s a pussy on Lisbon
if call me Dave shit on some of these pathetic Party yes men, drones and minions they would lap it up and call it chocolate pudding if he told them to
his tactic is to hope no-one notices he’s an even less substantial lightweight than Blair
but.. but.. we’re not even ultimate arbiters of our own laws these days. The Penultimate Court of Appeal has swish new premises around the corner from Parliament (and a misleading Ω in its logo – it should be Ψ) but the ECJ gets the last word.
Great post from Dan Hannan on his blog
“The media are continuing to run the story of a Euro-sceptic insurrection against David Cameron on the issue of the Lisbon referendum. Hang on: I think that if there were such an insurrection, I’d know about it.”
The BBC’s reporting that there is an EU row in Manchester is like Campbell’s dodgy dossier reporting that there were weapons of mass descturction in Iraq. It’s bollocks!
Wait ’till tonight and after a few glasses of malt.
Wait ’till tonight after a few malts
as Peter said to his Brazilian friend
On the World Tonight BBC radio 4 programme just now, it was stated that the Lisbon Treaty dominated the Conference !
Dear God !
Hannans a wimp who Dave told to shut the fuck up after making a cun.t of himself over his eccentric blithering on the NHS. He’s doing as he’s told or else
Boris Johnson has now got more courage in his ample hair then Hannancyboy has in his slaphead
If the media keep droning on and on about Europe all this week and continue to have circular arguments with various Tories about the policy on Lisbon then it would be a good time to bury some bad news about the more painful cuts in public services they are going to have to make.
They’ll be talking about letting Turkey in again soon.
I liked Boris’ rant on the Telegraph web site about stopping Blair getting the EU Presidency
My Conference was much better than theirs!
So there!!
Would Hitchens like Gordon and chumps to carry on then?
He will have a job anyway. He just wants to be contentious, bless him.
Four million of us will not vote Con servative until the Bilderberg appointed Cameron states unconditionally that we will get a vote on the Lisbon Treaty,
=\ On Radio 4 PM tonight the German foreign Minister made clear the British should not have a referendum as we have a duty to legislate the Lisbon Treaty into law. Sounds like Hitler won the war.
So the reason there was not a visible split is because we simply did not come ot the Party.
Debbie,
You have no idea how angry that arrogant German EuroNazi made me.
Don’t mention the war! I did, but I don’t think anyone noticed!
Bollocks to europe.
It is all truly pathetic. A party of lost opportunity!
It looks like the Irish Referendum was a fraud:
http://worldreports.org/news/235_the_irish_referendum_outcome_is_null_and_void
http://info-wars.org/2009/10/04/irish-referendum-evidence-of-fraud-video/
It is my belief that the overwhelming majority of the Conservative Party are in favour of the EU and don’t want a referendum. Its only a very small, noisy minority who are anti-EU. I guess less than one third, like in Ireland.
FDP you are right the only problem you as all party’s you make up such a fucking minority of opinion and mutual back slapping will not stop a civil War! (Chumps) Who stated the Balkans the fourth Reich as usual
the war the krauts have carried on goes on
Hitchins is pathetic, self-opinionated and out of touch. I am amazed he was invited to speak. He is a born loser.
Why no campaign for a straight forward in or out vote on the EU?
Answer:
The out would out and out lose, that’s why the euroseptics won’t campaign for a straight vote.
Dan Hannan is talking out of his arse, pinning his hopes on Vaclav Klaus. Maybe he should actually listen to what Vaclav Klaus said – ie, it’s too late. Done deal.
As for the Tories, unless Cameron grows a pair on the subject of our subjugation to an authoritarian, antidemocratic state, he’s not getting my vote. I can only hope enough others do likewise to make a difference to his electoral calculus. No power for Dave!
So are you voting for more of the same?
“where’s the EU row?”
As many people have said already/above, it’s solely in the minds of the BBC/Labour propaganda machine, it’s not real.
When Hague was speaking, the BBC cut him off half-way through, told people to retune to BBC Parliament if they wanted to know what was going on, and then harped on about massive disarray in the tory party over europe saying that it would destroy their chances of election and that the tories don’t have any agreed policies on europe.
It’s pure spin/invention by the BBC/Labour machine; it’s a taste of things to come when the real election campaign starts; it’ll just be wall-to-wall lies by the BBC/labour machine; they’ll be inventing anything that’ll reduce the tory vote, and they’ll be smearing everyone they possibly can.
Robinson’s already started on the lies, just look at his blog; every single entry regarding the tory conference is saying that the tories don’t have any agreed policies, constantly get everything wrong, and basically tries to paint the tories as the “they’ll kill your granny and sack all the nurses if you let them into power” party.
It’s what you’d expect from the BBC, but this is just the tip of the iceberg; it’s going to get much much worse from this point onwards.
Robinson’s latest quote is:
“Vote for us and we’ll delay your pension. Vote for us and we’ll cut your tax credits. Vote for us and, if you work in the public sector, we’ll freeze your pay – and if you work in Whitehall, we might cut your job”
If he wanted to be balanced, he would have added:
“Vote for us and we won’t actively try to destroy the economy like labour have been doing.”
or at least
“Vote for us and we’ll actually do something about the record level of public debt”
Its awfae funny
Yous bampots actually think yous can set the terms fur 26 other Member States.
Pathetic, Merkel will kick that wee Tory boy’s arse.