Irish Need a Tie-Break Referendum
Well it is looking like a bad day for Irish sovereignty. Guido feels a bit guilty about not going home to vote. The entire Irish political establishment including the formerly anti-EU Greens backed the Brussels gravy train, the state media and the press likewise. With Declan Ganley neutered the anti-Treaty forces were lacking in leadership. The likely result according to exit polls is a ‘yes’.
That makes it No 1, Yes 1, so surely we need a tie-break referendum?
The Irish more likely need a tea-break..what influence were they under?
A sad day in deed. No doubt call me Dave will be pleased as he no longer has to hold an EU refendum.
NO dissent from the Party Line
NO criticism of Cameron will be tolerated
You must be a NuLiebour Troll
Fuck off to Labour List hoon we do not want your Dolly Draper kind here
And this is the Future of Labour?
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WONK you should have warned us about clicking the link. I’ve just dropped a cup of coffee.
it’sz orrible
Sorry about the shock. You might find this one better.
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And this is the heir to Blair
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Wonk on Wankers I see Boris hasn’t changed much which number is Dave?
Number 2
Mr Potatohead
IRISH ARE SPINELESS BASTARDS !
Fuck my granny’s old sea boots .. what has that twat got on his head ?
Are you that desperate to get somebody – anybody – to give LabourList a hit?
The wibbling wombles of Westminster.
As for that Tory twerp, it’d take the blunt end of a pineapple up his jacksie to render him anywhere near alert.
He won’t be prime minister unless he does hold a referendum for the simple reason that if the Lisbon Treaty affords offshore power to govern the Uk then any uk representitive is hamstrung. I have lost absolutely nothing by voting UKIP. ‘It don’t make no never mind’ as the irish say.
Yes he will. The English have had enough, it’s time to leave completely!
If McBuin and Labour had kept their pomise then we would not be in this situation
A great day indeed.
How dare you?
A boycott of Guinnes, Ryan Air and Paddy Power is called for.
Well, two of them anyway.
Im not getting on no damn plane sober fool!
I wouldn’t bet on it.
We drank brandy during the Napoleonic War, I don’t see why we shouldn’t continue to imbibe the black stuff. however, does Irish Stew become Freedom Stew in the UKIP Canteen? Crying Coquils et Moules Vevande Vevande Alors!
Call it European Porridge from now on.
and President Blair
and First Lady of Europe, Cherie.
That will be the ultimate Irish joke. But none of us or them will be laughing.
Dave is going to be very cross and might even raise his voice this week
result ?
EUSSR stopped dead in it’s tracks. Job done.
Don’t make Dave angry, you wouldn’t like him when he’s angry
Add Kerrygold and Irish Stew.
So.
Farewell then
Free Ireland.
Relegated to a Euro-state.
Like the rest of us.
Thanks a bunch.
To be sure, to be sure.
Yes
That was your catchphrase.
We thought you were sure the first time.
Now it turns out you weren’t.
So the stereotype is true.
The Irish ARE thick.
Not only thick but cowards, obviously applicable to ones who voted “oui!”
The delicious irony of this obviously eludes such simple folk:
They fought for 700 years because theyd not have the English telling them what to do, but they will allow a bunch of unelected, unaccountable power hungry gobshites in brussels to do precisely that.
Durrrrrr.
WHORES!
You cannot blame the Irish for not doing our dirty work, because we are the cowards. We should be marching on Parliament in our millions with pitch forks and cycles demanding the referendum WE were promised.
Too much Guiness before voting. Don’t our emerald comrades realise their economic collapse has largely been caused by the EU. Biting the hand that keeps slapping them round the face will lead to more pain. Is this masochism?
It would appear that the Irish education sytem is on a par with the British one.
Guinness, you English prat.
The sad thing is that the yes is a result of the inept, incompetent and corrupt political class of the country. Most people prefer rule from Brussels than their own politicians.
If the politicians weren’t as inept or corrupt, the treaty would most likely fail.
@ Ken Lorp (number 104)
“If the politicians weren’t as inept or corrupt the treaty would fail”
Do you think it is an accident that Gordon Brown is Prime Minister? Every single decision he took as Chancellor was wrong, and his performance as leader makes a mockery of the word.
We didn’t join the Euro in 1999 because the pound was so strong and the economy was pretty good, thanks largely to Thatcher and Major’s (!) governments. I think a referendum on the single currency now would be 50/50, the UK would reluctantly dump the currency if it was necessary. Remember Brown saying we would join the Euro when the time was right? I have a theory that this was the Labour plan all along – to purposely ruin Britain with ineptitude and incompetence and force it to pass Brown’s five economic tests and join Europe.
Huhnes, Huhnes, Huhnes. A bunch of fucking Huhnes. And when the Guido’s software says Hoon, it really means chump.
There is only a 9% difference between the two currencies at the moment.
If Gordon can continue the devaluation of the pound …. .
Mrs Dale is blogging that the Conservatives who want a referendum should not talk about it at the conference.
conference: The act of consulting together formally; serious conversation or discussion; interchange of views
So what doesn’t Mrs dale understand about a conference?
They learnt from Heath I suppose? Don’t frighten then horses
That’s not the only thing he learnt from Heath.
Oooo! handbags at dawn Ducky
Sailor Ted and Dale the Fail are straight as an EU politician
Maastricht 2 – Revenge of the nerds
http://www.labour.org.uk/the-leaders-debate
I will visit every region and every city to speak to people and discuss with the people of the country the choices we face.”
There are 66 cities in the UK, will he really visit all of them?
He should be sent to Coventry first.
” have said repeatedly that I want us to have a referendum. If the Treaty is not ratified in all Member States and not in force when the election is held, and if we are elected, then we will hold a referendum on it, we will name the date of the referendum in the election campaign, we will lead the campaign for a ‘No’ vote.
If the Treaty is ratified and in force in all Member States, we have repeatedly said we would not let matters rest there. But we have one policy at a time, and we will set out how we would proceed in those circumstances if, and only if, they happen.”
http://blog.conservatives.com/index.php/2009/10/03/there-will-be-no-change-in-our-policy-on-europe/
Clear as mud then.
There is a simple solution. The Irish in recent history also have form and previous in applying it, like in 1922. I didn;t blame them then for I was not alive, and I’d not blame them today for anyone who likes the EU is a wierdo, just like those real people in the 60s-80s who liked East Germany. See Natalie Solent’s recent article on samizdata.net.
If anyone can leave the EU, then in default of the Poles and Czechs who are not yet fully-chained in, then it is the Irish.
There is I believe no provision in _any_ of the various substantive EU treaties, from the formation of the ECSC onwards, for a nation (province?) to leave the EU. In this case it must then be the simplest thing in the world for a nation to….walk out.
What will the others do? Nothing: what is it to them?
What will the Council of Ministers and the Commissioners (commisars?) do? Nothing so long as they can’t call on “the resources” (which is to say the armed forces) of the other EU nations.
Can you see the Armed Forces of any EU nation agreeing to go to war against Ireland if its administration decided to take the Irish republic our of the EU? Can you see them doing it to us in the same case?
Can you see them doing it to the Poles? (Ahhh……I shouldn’t have said that…..but it’s still fairly improbable. (Mr) “Nobody” is discussing a “Case White”at this time…)
I most certainly could see the effect of a UK withdrawal from the EU leading to war. The first steps taken by the EU after UK withdrawal would be trade sanctions. Some nations would either not be included in the sanctions (non EU countries) or simply ignore them. After a couple of years of increasing animosity from both sides of the Channel, the closure of the Chunnel and numerous other tit for tat exchanges, the French Navy would sink a cargo vessel carrying vital supplies to the UK in breach of the embargo. Imagine if was an American, Canadian or Australian merchantman. The Royal Navy would then be required to escort merchant shipping. Similar exchanges would see HMS Illustrious deployed, dozen of EU ships sunk, massive casualties on our side, escalation into all out war. War is coming, in one form or the other, because of this EU madness. Either as above, or in civil rebellions when the people eventually realise what has been done to them, their children and grandchildren, all in the name of peace.
There is a single precedent:
Greenland joined the European Economic Community as a constituent part of Denmark in 1973. This was the Accession which brought the ‘coalition of the defeated’ – Benelux, France, Italy, Germany – another three members: Denmark, Eire and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.
In 1985, Greenland won independence from the Danes and exited from what became known as the ‘European Union’ in 1993.
do you think that The Boyos will be doing some surveying work aroung Brussells ?
Maybe Neil & Glenys want their drive tarmacked ?
Never trust those toothless simpletons
If Blair becomes President of All Europe will the Queen have to curtsy to Cherie
Mandy always has before
Well that’s great we’re all fucked then. Huge EU police state here we come, because cameroon wont give us a referendum. There goes our individuality and national heritage.
Not yet the cezhs and germens still have to ratfiy
Germans deposited the ratification in Rome on 25 September.
Was that a good day to bury bad news?
Is that why the Shannon Air Traffic Control Centre crashed this morning?
With Constitutional provisos in place that enables the get out clause. No EU constitutional arrangement can ever remove the sovereignty of the ‘Basic Law’ of the Federal Republic says the German Constitutional Court. Parliament in Berlin has passed necessary laws to reinforce this finding.
I’m off to Canada, got enough points, got enough money. And most importantly, Mr. Cameron, I’ll still have my Queen as Head of State, not Cherie Blair.
Have you a link to this news please Aloahe?
Valcav Claus, 500 million people are relying on you now!
Stand by for a car crash/heart attack/suicide with a blunt penknife etc. God Forbid.
Don’t vorry. This is all going to ze plaan vere you vill join ze NAFTA and become the 54th state with US, Mexhico, canada and UK. You vill ave ze last larf on europe. Anglo american rulz
Valcav Claus! Are ye sure ye got his name right?
All that you say and many more things that can at this moment only found in your worst nightmares.
Once democratic accountability is finally and permanently lost, the ruling class will come in for the proverbial or actual KILL.
In a sense they already have, but we are very soon to be playing a completely new board game.
A cruel and authoritarian game of Monopoly, that we don’t know the ever changing rules too, have no control over the money supply of, will not be allowed to own and therefore collect rent on any properties, will be collecting £200 for passing go, but it will be costing the vast majority of us far more simply for reaching it.
This will result in us all either seeking sanctuary in jail or effectively visiting it for the rest of eternity simply to avoid landing on any other squares, as they will ALL be owned by the government and/or the BANK, who will own the government in any case.
We already were, without doubt fucked beyond belief, whatever the Irish, British or European people did or said. Getting the middle classes to vote for their own enslavement is simply the icing on the establishments cake. Just yet another stick to beat us with, as all of the carrots run out many years ago.
I hope that we can now see why over the last 12 years especially authoritarianism has been so relentlessly rampant in westernised so called free democracies. The ruling elites have been busy tattooing the numbers, and warming the ovens YET AGAIN.
In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king. In the Atlas sized concentration camp, known as The New World Order, the man with a rotten potato will be as rich as god almighty.
I wouldn’t put your hope in being safe in jail, bringing back the death penatly is part of the plan, do you really think they neglected to build new jails, while letting every tom, adbul and harry in all these years? all the joke sentences where due to incompetence?
no sir, it was planned from the start so people will beg to bring the death sentence back and then it will be used on them.
That’s the kind of sick people our masters are.
I was not meaning an institutional jail. I meant staying within your own prison cell, which of course will be YOUR OWN HOME. Which is the prison cell you are now living in, and eternally paying for one way or another. The one that not even your children will own, and/or the one you are personally committed to renovate and maintain.
A ‘re-educational’ institution ( concentration camp ) will be for people like myself, and others who will refuse to take the mark of the devil, whatever they threaten to do to us. Real criminals will be allowed to roam freely in the streets, as they do now, very much as they always have in the dark secretive corridors of real elitist might.
Rations will be delivered to your home, and payment only acceptable with an ID chip. All resistance will either be subverted or licensed, very much like in the past and present. Non collectivised therefore far less controllable resistance will only be presented by the individual person, and therefore get the full jack-boot in the face type treatment.
If it helps.
However don’t panic, for the above is already the case for the vast majority, and it seems that these servile lab-rats don’t seem to dislike their situation as much as some of us would prefer. After all if you always were a slave with a slave mentality, which most people self-evidently are, then The New World Order will almost pass you by without you even noticing. As it indeed has for over 50% of the Irish people.
Not so. It requires the people to take to the streets and stuff it to the bastards who keep trying to fuck us over.
It IS the only way to go now.
You cannot talk to these arseholes, they have a hive mentality ” the borg”….resistance is futile you WILL be assimilated, YOU WILL serve US.
So whats left? Insurrection.
Better to die fighting on your feet than live on your knees with a euroboot across your neck.
The other point which is not trivial-is that we are an island so it is easier to define ones battles where the french and other Naysayers can’t define their opponents as easily. Europe is a land bloc without nature’s borders not as we are.
The other point which is not trivial is that the English have a mind-set that is alien to and antagonistic to the continental mind-set, a difference between pragmatic realism and obsessional hegemonic utopianism, that extends through culture and history. It’s in the DNA. How many times have the English had to get tooled up, get in their boats, go over the channel, and save the continentals from their stupid selves?
yet they hate us for it lol
The mindset and DNA which New Labour have been busy trying to stamp out and eradicate for 12 years.
Yes, JL, and please God our DNA hasn’t been diluted so much that it will be our salvation!
The only thing is who eventually hijacks the revolution if we succeed, Nazis, Islamists, Communists?
We’ve been stitched up like a kipper.
The only thing is who eventually hijacks the revolution if we succeed, Nazis, Islamists, Communists, Vocalists!!!
Voices in my Head
tellin me bout those concentration camps
where’s my tin-foil hat ?
many of the jews in germany thought a thing like that could never happen either and look what happened to them.
in the oven like a dolmio’s pizza.
so excuse some of us for being a little bit cynical it’s just maybe we don’t want to end up like the jews and value our lifes.
See what I said above: we can simply walk out, since there is no legal process provided for in any of the many EU treaties, for a nation to leave it.
A third referendum?
To be sure, to be sure?
to be sure, to be sure, to sure, surely?
Follow me, I’m right behind you, to be sure, to be sure.
All Hail President Blair!!!
W.W.
This cant be happening what a complete bollox of affairs. New Labour really has done everlasting damage to this country’s sovereignty.
They should hang their heads in shame… just before we hang them obviously
For zat you vill be interned in one of our new ‘re-education’ camps.
Not like ze concentration camp at all.
Hail Blair!!
W.W.
Excatly mein leiberschorn, seig heil vor zer National Socialist EU vich vill last ein thousand years. Ahh, your ID card is not in order, step into the Mercedes schnell schnell
Put me down for a turd referendum: I’m in favour
how about 1 in england ?
How do that many people change their mind? Just can’t comprehend it….
Postal votes?
Liberal pluralist democracy is based on rulers trusting the people who have temporarily lent power to them on a delegated basis. As soon as the rulers do not trust the people, they will stuff the boxes, since the people may otherwise take the wrong decision.
Last time out about 10% of people (20% of no vote and largest block) Voted no because they didn’t understand the treaty. So maybe they didn’t change their mind just made it up.
You really think anyone understands it? It was deliberately written so as not to be understood, which is in itself sufficient reason to reject it without taking the trouble to read it.
They’re desperate for cash and mistakenly believe that Europe will bail them out (again).
They voted NO and then went bankrupt, its a simple case of short-term thinking and misleading propoganda by the Yes campaign that Europe will magically bail them out which obviously it wont do after its got the vote.
Ireland is in for a terrible decade and frankly after this vote I dont feel much sympathy for them. Also is the IRA now going to start attacking European nations now that they are under occupation by another ‘oppressive regime’?
It could be worse, just consider how that ‘principled’ PM gordon Brown has re-invented the workhouse concept – applying it first to young mothers. I am certain the EU, with its undemocratic roots, will enjoy having Blair as President to inact there the oppressive State that he launched on the UK.
P.S. If Brown thinks have State accomodation is appropriate for ‘receivers of state benefits’ what about MPs being accomodated in State blocks of flats while in London?
The thought of Harriet as the Irreverend Mother of the Socialist Sisters of Unconditional Benevolent Regard……..
or prisons
It’s all down to the Poles and Czechs then – they need to buy time – otherwise it’s hello to President” Bliar and “First Lady” Cherie.
Let’s be honest if the treaty is ratified by all member states and is law before the Conservative government then there’s really fuck all Dave can do about it !!
No Parliament is sovereign and its time it acted that way he can do whatever he damn well likes thank you very much. He has a choice and when one looks at the deep distrust in democratic process in the UK at the moment a very important one to make at that. We need a referendum
Correct. An incoming Government is not bound by the actions of past governments. Any decisions on the Dark Empire will be entirely Daves.
Cameron can abrogate anty treaty he wishes as Britain is a sovereign state
a referendum would give the mass public backing needed to kill lisbon and negotiate some sense into the corrupt euro-troughers
he’s either a lightweight blairite afraid the Ken Clarke might cause a bit of a fuss
or he has the balls to draw a line in the sand and give us our referendum before Britain has lost all of it’s primacy and lawmaking abilities to an undemocratic gravy train made up of politicians too useless or corrrupt to get voted into their nations main parliaments
Hoon! Draper!
So go to the conservative website and lobby for the referendum they owe us.
Do it NOW!
Make them “get it” for once.
Technically speaking, an incoming Government IS bound by all it’s predecessor’s agreements and treaties. They can be re-negotiated with agreement from all parties concerned or simply reneged upon by a single party. I think that the idea that pieces of paper have been signed means that we simply must carry on regardless is nonsense. One possibility of reneging would be sanctions, another could even be war. That said, it would not be the first time that Britain had to fight it’s European neighbors en masse to defend it’s sovereignty. I think we must face the fact that any course of action that leads to refusal to comply with previous treaties, or even (please God) withdrawal from the EU will lead to inevitable bloodshed, probably on an enormous scale. Let’s also remember, before we all get carried away with Gordo’s impending failure at the next GE, that Heath(con) started all this garbage with a rigged referendum, Thatcher (con) continued it by signing the Common European Policy Treaty in ’86 and Major (con) put the tin lid on it in ’92 when he signed the Maastricht Treaty. Conservative governments are NOT Euro sceptic. Neither are Labour governments. The Libs are raving pro anything immoral, anti UK or stupid. Three cheeks of the same backside. Don’t fall for the same old garbage more than once, please!
UKIP’s chances at the GE have just become rather more solid.
First mainstream party to promise referendum cleans up, by my reckoning.
David Cameron may yet have to offer a bone in this direction. Watch it if the polls begin to stutter …
NO dissent from the Party Line
NO criticism of Cameron will be tolerated
Hoon! Draper!
Chump!
Chump all right. He’s making a big contribution to Guido’s pension pot.
no, that’s call me Dave you’re thinking of
Guido is not a charity after all
UKIP, ve vill round zem up shortly. No vun must stand in the way of the EU project. Now, your ID card please.
Agree disgruntled but very happy with the UKIP situation. Vote UKIP or can Dave match them and do better?
What Disgruntled said……………but not holding my breath and almost certainly voting non-mainstream.
The only thing mainstream about Ukip is the trough snouting, they out-trough the 3 mainstream parties by a country mile, so Ukip want us out of Europe like they want a hole in the head.
All together now “When Irish ayes are smiling”…..
and is law before the Conservative government then there’s really fuck all Dave can do about it !!”
No? I suggest we invade Poland!
Can you imagine the insurgency in the UK if we picked a fight with the Poles? Christ no plumbers and builders the country would implode without a shot being fired!
invade poland? look what happend to the last twat that tried it
the majority of the patriotic foreigners who weren’t allowed to vote on the treatyconstitution will be on our side remember.
Best of three sounds good to me
Let’s hope they don’t now “bounce the Czechs”
or poleaxe the Poles.
The Germans have been gerrymandered.
Or frogmarch the French.
Or grease the Italians.
Retreat the Italians
Dice the Swedes?
Baste the Turks?
Fry the Spuds
Fry the ‘Bubble-and-Squeaks…’
What timescale are we looking at?
will Call me Dave save the day when he becomes PM and call a referendum?
NO
No.
No, and certainly not if he has any intention of seeing his kids grow-up.
If the ruling elite class suspected that Cameron had the slightest intention of going off-plan he would be cleaned up quicker then a star ship in warp drive. If Cameron does not know this, he is either extremely incompetent, or dangerously so.
What further evidence is required for the people to finally understand that socialism and corporate capitalism are one of the same thing? Blood brothers conceived and nurtured by the same set of parents. Who are now claiming there long waited for birth rights.
You can be absolutely certain that if there is a consensus between the worlds political class that freedom, and its blood brother the FREE-MARKET are to blame for our current predicament, then the EXACT OPPOSITE is in fact the TRUE situation.
So how do the Irish think they will be better off now? They won’t be getting any more freebie handout like they did in the past as there are loads of poor eastern European Countries after that cash and the Irish will probably end up with a hated Brit as their President
hahahah – the irish will end up with Blair as their president and we’ill be free. free. Free. Vote UKIP
Only playing Mr Fawkes. No offence meant, eh.
I think it’s time for Dave to reveal his hand. People need to know just what he intends to do about this shower of shit. McTwat has well and truly fucked us over on this one and people expect Dave to offer a concrete solution to the EU problem.
“We won’t let matters rest there” is not enough any more. It’s clear that the EU is fundamentally undemocratic and what’s worse, many Europeans actually support the fact that the Irish have been told to go away and vote the “right” way this time!
History is repeating itself. So am I, but here goes. In ’97, enormous numbers of previously Conservative voters changed sides and voted Labour, presumably because they had some deep, political convictions and decided to change from what they thought was a useles, uncaring, inept and downright wicked Government to good, upright, decent, moral one. They ended up with the same old, same old. Fast forward 13 years, and enormous numbers of previously Labour supporting voters will need to switch sides BACK to the Cons. The so-call ‘floating voter’. I prefer to call them morons, whose vote is decided on how much cash they think they are going to get from the Gov, regardless of all the other damage the insane policies of these criminals will inflict on everybody else. Divide and rule. Very effective, bit old fashioned though. I would have thought more people would have realised what was going on by now. In another 10 years, the same ‘floating voters’ will be desperate to get rid of the ‘evil Tories’ and elect a Labour Gov. If you want change, real change, that benefits most people and not just the few, DO NOT vote Labour, Conservative or Liberal. WAKE UP!!
In ten years time floating voters along with any other desenters will be floating-in the euro channel. Voting won’t mean shit because it is illegal under Lisbon to denounce the eu. Doh.
The Czechs vill do as they are told
Yep, apparently there are a couple of Panzer Divisions already lined up on the border in case they don’t see the light.
Welcome to your new masters Ireland,soon to be headed by your old masters
frying pan and fires etc , waste of time kicking off the traces wasn’t it,you like us will end up being two little countries on the edge of a continent owned and payed for.
I’d settle for one referendum in England.
Ha! Dream on, peasant
He can repeal laws can’t he. And treaties can be abrogated – I believe we need to give the EU some advance notice of treaties we are going to repeal.
In that case, the three or so years whilst the treaty dies out should be fun; I imagine thousands of civil servants stalling any EU directives, *not* gold-plating existing legislation, not paying fines and emphasising the soon-to-be competitive UK to the rest of the world.
Of course, it won’t be the same civil servants who are in post now – we need people whose first allegiance is to this country.
NO dissent from the Party Line
NO criticism of Cameron will be tolerated
You must be a NuLiebour Troll
Fuck off to Labour List hoon we do not want your Dolly Draper kind here
From your Dalek delivery, you must be a BeeBot.
Chump!
Please change Nuliebour to NuLiebore… otherwise great post.
Who said downtrodden conservative party functionaries had no sense of irony?
There was an article in the Independent I read yesterday that was saying 60% of tory party members want a referendum. Dave is in a good position but only if he wishes to carry patriotism and the people with him. If he did he would have an easy ride on everyother policy as long as it wasn’t socialist and under total UK sovereignty.
What the hell are you talking about? Where in my post is there *anything* that stands for ZaNuLiebor?
Damn, that comment is directed at #42
Quite right – I recall our being told that we could ‘never’ back out of the ERM, once in it was binding, forever, etc etc.
Got out, economy recovered. QED.
The Sword in the stone begins to move
Why tell them that we plan in the future to denounce and abrogate their treaties? That will merely alerts them to spend money trying to bribe people.
Simply advance without the week-long-prelim-barrage….leave the EU (by txtmsg, or twitter and fax if you must), tear up the treaties on Youtube, then tell them we have done it and we’ve gone.
Instantly, all EU-derived legislation will become void. All of it. All.
The only immediate task is to publish a very long list of al the actions that people are now allowed to do.
I bet you this act will be very popular, and will, if an election is called straight away, result in a landslide for whoever is brave enough to do it.
Brilliant but you left out grafitti as a good communication media
This works for me as well.
all praying that the eu will bail them out economically?
it was having the wrong eu imposed interest rates that helped to create the economic boom/bust in the first place……….
well done irish people……..you have struggled against the British for 500 years only to vote for another dictatorship……….
take a bow………..
Easy now, the result’s not in yet. One thing the Irish dont like is being bullied, and they have been right royally,also they like nothing better than to suprise by doing the exact opposite of what is expected. The mess their economy is in, I would be devastated at another lurch towards our loss of soveriegnty, but wouldnt blame them.
Its just a shame the majority wont grasp that a yes vote is very unlikely to improve their lot in the slightest. I feel sick to my stomach that in my lifetime there is a real chance that France and Germany will achieve through politics and bribery that which they failed to do by force. They say cometh the hour, cometh the man..well where are you? who is the one that will lead the fight against this EU dictatorship? stand up now and millions of us will vote for you.
Singleness of Purpose is not an Irish Core Value.
whereas being mental, sadistic Huhnes is a British one.
700 against the Brits.
For the first time in my life I’m going to buy The Sun today (groan) to see what goes on between Cameron and Lamont, who has an interesting career history pre and post parliament. . .
Ties in with Osborne funder Lady Serena . . . . . . . . . .
Tories might talk of ‘referendum’ to acquire EU sceptic votes but the word ‘referendum’ isn’t in the globalists ‘agenda’ for England/UK.
On page 3 Harriet, 59, from Planet Tharg, (48-40-54) shows us her potential and says, “I just love the attention from you boys. Have you seen my fav. website, Punternet?”
With what question 23
CAMERON HAS REQUESTED TO THE CZECH PM to hold up the ratification until the Conservatives get in & we can hold a referendum ourselves!
GOOD MOVE DAVE !
How long did the Czechs last out the last time,they have Germany and France against then this time
The East Europeans have were liberated by the Regan/Thatcher axis from 50 years of Socialist rule. Are they now expected to vote for an eternity of the same? They won’t go down without a fight.
If he does, and pulls it off, he will go down along side Winnie as far as I’m concerned.
However I am not overly hopefull.
W.W.
Is this pooh corner?
No, it’s putsch corner.
But won’t this delay President Blairs from assuming his throne?
Sorry….assuming His throne?
There’s a to-do he has to sort out with the Pope first. Papa Ratty told the Irish to vote no.
A REQUEST!
GOOD MOVE DAVE
WHO NEEDS A REFERENDUM WHEN YOU CAN POLITELY REQUEST?
That will stop the EU monster in it’s tracks
All Dave C has to do, if Lisbon is ratified, is merely state quite calmly that his government will denounce and abrogate it. It puts the ball in Brussels’ court, will have the effect of encouraging Vaclav Klaus to do the right thing in the meantime, and will open the door to people’s right conclusions about who was responsible for cameron’s assassination just before the General Election (or just after it) when that comes about.
Lisbon…it’s only a “scrap of paper” ….after all.
But he won’t
We in the Conservatives are still trying to make our minds up about a referendum. So vote for us and you might get one – or not.
You must be a NuLiebour Troll
Fuck off to Labour List hoon we do not want your Dolly Draper kind here
NO dissent from the Party Line
NO criticism of Cameron will be tolerated
A Continuity Chump!
Who said downtrodden socialist party functionaries had no sense of irony?
Please change socialist to conservative… otherwise great post.
You must be a NuLiebore Troll
Fuck off to Labour List hoon we do not want your Jonty kind here
NO dissent from the Party Line
NO criticism of Cameron will be tolerated
You must be a NuLiebour Troll
Fuck off to Labour List hoon we do not want your Dolly Draper kind here
NO dissent from the Party Line
NO criticism of Cameron will be tolerated
O/T How broke are labour?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6857706.ece
Very broke. Hopefully no bloody leaflets and posh adverts from them before the election!
Postal voting and concommittant box-stuffing will do it for them, certainly in the rotten and pocket boroughs they have deliberately created, full of miserable robbed housebound wretches who won’t understand the forms etc etc etc
I asked the same question on this blog a couple of months ago.
The answer, from someone who seemed to know, is that the Labour party have declared debts of about £18 million on their accounts, and are thought to have real debts totalling about £24 million.
They are skint.
So who’s putting up the money for their deposits?
The Unions??
Dictatorship? EU Police State? Tin foil hat anyone?
Don’t need a tinfoil hat,it will happen.
Moron
Fudge, when people were told that the common market would evolve into a political union they said piss off, when people were told that the powers in the EU where working toward one currency for the whole of Europe they said fuck off mate, when they were told that the EU would impose arrest warrants across Europe, negating individual national citizens rights they said fuck off won’t happen, you get the picture yet?
So, once again, we have to ask – what is the point of the Irish?
I dunno mate. what’s the point of the British cricket team?
Czech it out
Take it further
If Cameron reneges on his promise for a referendum my vote will go to UKIP and I think with the result of the con home poll a lot of other tories will follow suite and if it results in a hung parliament so be it,because D.C.will be as bad as Brown.
If he does I will go for the destruction vote,the socialist BandP or even Liebour,another few years of socialism will bring total destruction the UK and split us into component parts,hence we have a chance to start a renewel of England,the EU willget rid of us like a turd hitting a fan as Brits pissed off are not nice to get involved with.
Seconded
If there’s no point in a conservative government, perhaps a hung one (metaphorically, unfortunately) is our least worst option
Don’t mess with the Brits. Period! Too much lost blood and heritage to stand for. I’m aching for it if it becomes my duty.
You’re hardly alone in that view
Cameron faces revolt on Europe
Vast majority of Tory members oppose position on Lisbon Treaty, poll reveals
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/cameron-faces-revolt-on-europe-1797042.html
Vote UKIP! Fuck CMD he’s a lightweight and will renege.
I laugh at these nomark nations like eire, they’re so desperate to continue feeding on the gigantic tit of Reichmarshall Blair’s Fascist construct they are all too willing to throw away their own statehood.
The Fascists have luminaries such as the king of airbourne pikeys, Michael O’Leary cheering them on, which says it all.
Forget Oirish statehood you plebs, bloodsoaked Blair and his gang of faceless and nameless Belgian paper shufflers are your masters now.
If only those sodding Scotch weren’t so damn canny as to want to avoid the fate of tiny pointless nations which the EU seeks to subsume.
Those swine have it all ways.
Huge funding from English taxpayers and the national structural deficit, a say in English political matters when it suits them, ie Tuition Fees, yet they wont take the leap to force the creation of a fully ‘independent’ state, because they know Scotchland will become just another outpost of the EU colony.
And I am unanimous in that
This is a disaster.
It’s only a disaster if you think it’s a disaster,think of it as an opportunity.
An opportunity for what – complete self-subordination to corrupt megalomaniacs?
Next stop, world domination but who will be the leader?
Hope there’s no fighting over it!
Nah, the ruler will be the Antichrist and will only have one eye – so eye(!)ther it’s Gorgon Brown or Charles Anthony Lynton Bliar – one ‘i’, geddit!!
Both have had a serious blow from which they’ve ‘come back’, Gorgon to the head/eye and Bliar was ‘blown away’ in a not-so-secret ‘stand-down’ pact to allow Brown to feck up the country further.
OR IS GORGON THE ANTICHRIST AND BLIAR THE MESSIAH lolol, lmfao, rofl…gulp.
(Most of us don’t believe this crap – but apprently ‘they’ do).
A New World Order, where nations are swallowed up in an ever expanding union, ending up with a whole world union ruled by the super rich as they have the time, money and the insanity to do so, but, who will be the big boss?
Bet they still have trouble with the Taliban though.
The thought of Bliar becoming President is more then I can take, just the thought of that c**t in such a powerful position beggars belief. they will let Turkey join next, and then watch the fucking mosque’s sprout up in England. I dread whats happening to this once Great Country. I’m voting UKIP.
Agreed, doesn’t the idea of President Blair and (puke) First Lady Cherie fill your hearts with pride. I too am voting UKIP.
The canny Eurones won’t have Blair as “President”.
(1) They don’t exist, and they know it.
(2) He’s from the UK, which has consistently failed to toe the line absolutely in public (in private it’s a different matter, but it’s the public face that British PMs present that matter to these Communists.)
(3) He’s Scotch.
The “presidents” of this outfit will always be French or German or Italian, for as long as it lasts
- 12 years and two months -
Scots, not “Scotch”.
English people deliberately call sweaty socks ‘scotch’ because we know uppity porridge gobblers will get the hump. How’s your skirt?
If it’s any consolation “president” Blair would be Al-Qaeda’s #2 assassination target – in the world!
The thought of seeing paramedics carrying his charred and bloodied corpse from a smoldering Brussels monolith gives me a warm feeling all over!
Yes that vision of loveliness has occurred to me too. But then we’d get President Cherie (read ‘The Ghost’ by Robert Harris)… so perhaps not.
Better would be to keep the powder dry and impeach Bliar for war crimes once he’s President and bring the whole heap of shite tumbling down. A legitimate international body with a war criminal as their head of state?
Does this mean “Mrs Gob” will be first lady?
Yes and you will show respect to her and her husband pleb. The great Socialist experiment marches on. Dave is just our puppet get used to it right wing wankers, the EU is proof that socialism cannot be beaten.
except when it implodes in on it’s self like the USSR and Communist China before it became Capitalist China.
Seems like the start of World War 2 again- Irish neutral – unbearable pressure put Poland and Czechoslovakia – can Britain still stand up to fight against European megalomaniacs?
With the Great Gurner in charge?
No. But he goes soon anyway. Sooner the better.
It would only be sooner if he would call an early GE which involves making a decision. So no chance there then. The alternative is if someone in New Labour grows a pair of balls and sets up a leadership challenge. So… I think we have to endure another 7 months of national destruction.
9 months
July 10th is the last possible date for an election
they will never go until they have to
9 months and 7 days, but who’s counting? Point taken.
We did it before, we’ll do it again. Might not be easy, or quick, or pretty. But if we want our country back, we have to.
yeah, nip over to Dunkirk then run away, er, tactically withdraw.
Except we don’t have America or the Commonwealth to help us this time.
Can we try gordon for treason now?
As he’s declared himself an insurgent, Nick him under the Prevention of Terrorism Act and throw away the key.
with a touch of waterbrding just to be safe
And the queen. Royal assent was required before our ratification was deposited wasn’t it.
The monarch was meant to be our final line of defense against dictatorship. The queen was also the link between our past and present culture and had a clear duty to protect us as a Nation – for that purpose she is still head of all the armed forces. If she finds that she is unable to fulfill that role, then maybe we should ask ourselves what exactly are the royal family for.
This outpouring of anti-European bile is really, really depressing. The Irish people’s concerns causing the No vote last time have been resolved to their satisfaction so a Yes vote this time is perfectly reasonable. Assuming that the Irish yes vote is confirmed this afternoon and that the Czechs and Poles do their stuff before Cameron can get his hands on the treaty and wreck the EU in the process, the treaty will help to streamline decision-making in the EU and give it more weight in global discussions of the great issues of our time — climate change, global poverty, international terrorism, rebalancing the world trade and payments system, accommodating China, India, Europe and Japan as new great powers, etc. Outside the EU Britain would be powerless to have any say or to protect its interests in any of these great debates: we need a strong united voice for the EU for all our sakes. Wake up, you small-minded out-dated little Englanders!
No its just coz we was promised a referendum and then didnt get it
Not true. We were promised a referendum on a completely different treaty, now defunct. The Goebbels doctrine — that if a lie is told often enough, everyone will start to believe it — ought to be banned from the blogosphere. Instead it seems to be flourishing.
Did those screaming for a referendum on the Lisbon treaty scream even more loudly for the much more far-reaching Maastricht treaty? Go on, persuade me.
Yes – the Irish will have shown how quickly they’ll take the Brussels bribes. They’d sell their grannies if they thought it would get them out of the financial mess they’d made for themselves.
Correction Voice of reality.
‘..if they thought it would get them out of the financial mess they’d made for themselves.’, should read
‘..if they thought it would get them out of the financial mess the EU made for them.’. Let’s be fair.
If Ireland had it’s own currency, it’s own central bank and a half decent Government (unlike here in the UK), their currency would have appreciated and the central bank could have raised interest rates to put a lid on the property aseet bubble. QED.
The dumb Irish public just don’t understand why they got into this mess. Subsequent generations will pay the price for their ignorance.
help to streamline decision-making in the EU and give it more weight in global discussions of the great issues of our time — climate change
STOP there! If that ain’t reason enough to stop the relentless bureacracy then what is?
The outpouring of pro-European propaganda is really, really, really, really upsetting, nauseating, vomit-inducing, deluded, depressing, insane, manic and truly horrific.
This is not anti Europe bile, but anti EU bile. You know, that undemocratic, sovereignty-leeching parasitical tumour.
You can tell the EU shills, because they almost always disingenuously blur the two so as to falsly slur those who are interested in freedom over dictatorship.
I so agree with you, its the fact that democracy has been leeching away for the last decade and now with this so called treaty it will disappear altogether, how can anyone not see that this is a dictatorship with a war criminal in charge.
Here here Roger – I love Europe and Europeans but I hate the EU monster.
EU shills indeed. I spit on your EU flag.
You are talking through your hole.
err, thats to comment #90 in case there’s any confusion
1, They did it for the money.
2, You are a Socialist Parrot
3, Global Warming is a scam made up by lefties to terrify the world into acceptance of leftyism.
4, China, India, and Japan have done very well in accomodating themselves. For a start, they don’t buy in to the Global Warming scam.
5. Europe is a camel of a power- a “great” state designed by a committee.
And suppose you don’t agree with the policies of the EU? How do you democratically change them? Short answer – you can’t (unless you’re leftist and have a pet project to grow control over the electorate).
It’s really very simple – do you want control over your own life, or do you want someone else to make decisions for you. At the moment, with the EU, it’s very much the latter – and who decides what those decisions are?
The whole history of the EU has been one long continual lie (EEC->EC-EU) – is it any wonder that people don’t believe what the EU says anymore?
The old climate change blackmail. Works every time.
The data on climate change is very suspect – the ‘Hockey Stick’ data in particular is flaky.
http://powerandcontrol.blogspot.com/2009/10/hockey-stick-is-broken-permanently.html
As this is the core of climate change thinking, you gotta ask yourself – hmmm?
Are you being ironic BB? Just who will have a say in the ‘great issues of our time’? certainly not the people of Britain, who weren’t given any fucking say in whether they wanted to be part of this ‘project’.
Prick.
Fuck off you pencil necked cocksucker.
Why wasnt a NO vote acceptable huh?
Why should a YES vote be any more acceptable than a NO vote, braindamage?
You eurococksuckers all have the morals of a rapist- NO means NO fuckwit.
What elegantly persuasive language! I’m impressed.
Well im glad you are, obviously youre as easily impressed by my bad language as you are by the eu bullshit you greedily lap up from the anus of brussels.
Its no surprise thick twats like you who hate the english bother to come on here and spout your anti english euroshit, it must make you feel really proud to be a part of something.
That something is a hive, youre just a fucking eurodrone now, a useful idiot with no individuality along with the rest of the moronicans who couldnt be arsed to take their responsibilites seriously and vote to be free, not ruled by unemployable wankers like you.
The english will never be lorded over by brussels.
Pitchforks it is then.
I think, TGOCP, it’s time to start taking the tablets.
Oh, come on you dope. Socialism grew as a struggle against the “establishment”, a great cause, in the name of which the end was justified by any means.
Now that Socialism IS the establishment they have had to find new great causes to “struggle” against – climate change, global poverty, international terrorism, etc. It is just an inherent part of their political dogma. It is how they operate. Socialism is a religion and those promoting it are religious fanatics.
Within the pursuit of the great cause those leading it get to enjoy super-rich lifestyles, unbridled power and Patek Philippe watches whilst fondly imagining they are good people doing good things. It is the little people – yes, even little Englanders, perhaps especially little Englanders – who suffer.
Socialism with its imaginary demons invented to keep the population controlled and exploited is the most pernicious, hypocritical and sham philosophy ever imposed. It is the bindweed that ultimately brings totalitarianism and dictatorship, persecution, camps and death. Unless you happen to be one of the blood-sucking elite, the champagne socialists, riding on its tail, the greedy hypocrites that ordinary people vote for “because they are for the working man”.
Councils, regions, governments, Brussells. How many levels of oppression and control does one family need? For every one ordinary working man how many public sector bureaucrats devising more rules and regulations for him, more things to ban from his life? It is a sham. A con. Great if you’re part of the party – not so hot if you’re not.
Reject it in all its guises. Resist them.
best of three?
Fabians and Commies operate a ratchet, remember.
After this YES result we can all look forward to a more transparent and democratic E.U.
The Irish establishment are a bunch of shits for putting it to a second referendum just because they didn’t like the No result last time.
I think you should refrain from commenting on an area that you obviously know fuck all about.
we’re all fucked. there simply is no point anymore. why bother working hard? why bother getting an education? if you do you’re going to be taxed to death, legislated to the point of insanity and told how to spend your own money in order to pay for the idle feckless rump of a socialist superstate, and it’s ruling elite. better to be jobless, spawning illiterate sociopathic asbo wielding bullies and murderers in waiting…
they’ve won at bending democracy till it’s twisted and tortured carcass of a once proud idea lies battered and bleeding on the cutting room floor of history. there is no peaceful way back.
true, it’s a ‘brave new world’ come to life.
Not quite.
Your assessment of the state of things is pretty much spot on. The loony lefties seeking to subjugate the British people have had a good run, but that means they’ve declared their hand. All decent people can see what has happened, and where it’s going, and most don’t like it, not a bit.
It is by no means certain that decent people can take their country back, but if they dont try, if they don’t fight back, they won’t.
Start by voting Anything But Labour. Look after yourself and your family, do a bit for the neighbourhood, for the community, for the common good. Do some charitable work, join a political party if that appeals.
But DON’T give up.
Here, here Engineer – lovely sentiments.
THIS ISN’T THE END, IT’S THE END OF THE BEGINNING.
A new rallying call – ANYONE BUT LABOUR!
ANYONE BUT POLITICIANS!
They all buy into the gravy train, the only real opposition is villified by the military industrial complex, the central banks and their media.Why do you think the bnp is so censured? DC will not give a referendum whilst he has a hole in his arse,.If you vote for any of the ‘approved’ parties the slide to the destruction of our nation will continue inexorably.
Maybe Brown was to right to deny us a referendum,it would’ve been more money down the drain if the bastards won’t take No for an answer.
Fight back at Voice of the Resistance
We cannot have Blair foisted upon us.
We need to lobby other European nations and people directly, to express the anger that a Blair presidency would generate in Britain. The fact that a nation is agitating against its own candidate would cause great uncertainty in the corridors of Brussels and elsewhere.
http://tvotr.blogspot.com/2009/10/president-blair-how-to-stop-him.html
“We cannot have Blair foisted upon us.”
You don’t need to vote for Cameron if you don’t want to
Tebbit won’t
Oh God what have the Irish done. They have saddled us all with President Blair.
can Ireland have another referendum because it’s the wrong answer?
The Irish have succumbed to what Europe does best: bribery and blackmail.
There’s nothing the EU likes more than to chuck money around, mainly because they have a lot of it (from us). Add to that the implied “well, if you don’t vote the right way this time, there’s a recession, so you can forget any help from us” routine and you have the pefect strong arm tactics to scare a polulation into giving you the “right result.”
Democracy? Nope. It’s the economic jack-boot.
Yey and most people can now see it for what it is. Blair as President is the fucking Icing! Fools. True story: One of my proudest moments was not taking delivery of a brand new model of car (In 2005) but saying to the salesman on the forecourt-
“What’s That!” pointing to the euro flag on the number plate. I said “Phone me when you’ve put British Plates on and it better be today”
One day there may well be a united Ireland governed by Europe. Looks like the IRA were fighting the wrong people for all these years.
The IRA’s aim was to have a united Marxist Ireland. They’re gonna get it.
Sinn Féin, the political tail of the IRA dog, campaigned for a no vote. Whenever it was put to them that they had found themselves some very strange bedfellows, the battier elements (and even the non-batty elements) of the English right wing, they just mumbled something and shuffled along.
Delegates at the Conservative Party conference must demand to know what Cameron intends to do if the Treaty is in force by the time his party is in Government.
hahahhaha! they’ll do as their fucking told
He will do nothing because he can’t. No more than he will stop Blair becoming EU President. He may make squeaking noises but he is no Maggie Thatcher so don’t expect too much.
This country needs leaders not looting administrators pretending they actually make a difference while cozying up to the EU for a few crumbs of power.
If he doesn’t gain power – er NOT a lot really !! The most he can do is put some pyschological pressure on the EU and give the Czech and Poles a hope of British help as soon as he becomes PM(although we don’t have a very good record on guarantees to the Czechs or worthwhile guarantees to the Poles in the short term)
He could issue a statement stating that if he becomes PM – a Conservative government would take steps to abrogate the Treaty of Lisbon pending a referendum as the original ratification by the British parliament did not have electoral legitimacy and that Parliament had no authority to ratify because the matter was never put to the British people as promised by the governing party’s(Labour) 2005 Manifesto and that they wriggled out of that commitment with some tortuous logic and downright lies(although nothing new there from Labour I’m afraid – they’ve never been straight with anyone in 12 years)
If reports are to be believed the Germans are already worried about 2010 being peppered with “Guerilla War” by the British Conservative Government who could refuse to implement any of the treaties provisions throwing the EU into chaos(any legal action against the UK government would be ineffective in the short term anyway and take years through the courts)In the interim we should start to campaign against Blair as EU President – the man was unfit for office of PM and he’s unfit for the post of EU President
and arrest the bastard if he sets foot in the country.
That should be fun!
Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. Now go away and stop trying to shit stir you UKIP troll.
Fuck off you little party line robot
this website isn’t Cameron’s personal property
Vote UKIP for you
So you hate the idea of the english governing you?
But the empty promise of cash from the EU – which you will NOT get – is enough to allow Tony Blair to rule you?
You stupid, stupid, people.
Looks like all the jokes about the thick Irish were based on fact…
Don’t be too cruel on them. They were emotionally blackmailed ffs.
Economically you mean? Ireland’s economy, like its banks, is basically bust.
Like Spain, a backward, rural, agrarian country was made to look modern and dynamic on the back of an infrastructure and construction boom funded by loans from the EU. And, just like Weimar Germany, once the loan taps were turned off, everything went phut!
Fundamentally, nothing changed for the Irish in terms of their understanding of the Lisbon Treaty or what its constitutional impact might be. I’m willing to bet no more people understand it now than did following the first referendum.
What did change were three things:-
1. Fear of total economic collapse in the wake of the “credit crunch” following economic blackmail by the EU;
2. The proposed “president” being a man of Rome, and hence “one of us” as far as the Irish were concerned, to say nothing of his not being English, but rather a celt (his plummy English accent a mere by-product of his education at one of Edinburgh’s most exclusive private schools, Fettes); and
3. With Germany and the UK being the only net contributors to the EU, the sweet irony for the Irish of knowing those damn Brits were effectively going to be bailing them out of the financial mess they’d got themselves into.
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Who noticed the Blaggers Blagueurs Claque not-so-subtle pro-vote propaganda on t’WatO R4 yesterday?
The story was on the face of it about Icelanders’ reluctance to cave into the bullying of Brown and assorted cronies in the Netherlands, EU, and IMF to pay for crashed Iceland banks. Icelanders appear to have agreed among themselves to offer repayment conditional on future economic growth, but Brown and The Bullies want their pound of flesh, toot d’sweet. Clearly, if they have their way, the only growth in Iceland will be negative for the foreseeable future. The last time something like the Icelanders’ conditional deal was tried out in practice was in Peru in the 80s, and there the outcome was worse than if it had simply declared a debt moratorium up front – a decision that tens of countries have in fact taken in dealing with similar situations, although of course nothing about any of that was mentioned in the package.
The underlying message to the Irish of this Iceland story was that if you are an undecided voter, here is something to scare the bejeesus out of you into voting yes.
Latest: Some ballot boxes show 90% YES !
Quite probably some show 90% No.
It’s the overall total that counts, fuckwit.
90% no – not very likely. And I’m most content with the overall result so mind your language.
This – just to remind you – is a free country, despite the efforts of Common Purpose, the Labour party and scumbag socialists.
I’ll call you what I damn well like, Trumpetarse.
Looking forward to the Brish General Election, are you? I am.
British, even.
Yes, content with being bribed by your new EU masters, the irish euro-drones will forever obey so long as the money keeps pouring in…(it won’t) but by then it will be too late…
It’s only Donegal that’s voted no. The rest crave the safe harbour of the EU. They’re still going to be made to apy for their their profligacy though.
http://www.rte.ie/news/features/lisbontreaty/tracker.html
How soon will the folk who voted NO be rounded up?
> Guido feels a bit guilty about not going home to vote
You have forgotten that as a non-resident you are not entitled to vote.
If Blair becomes president of the New Holy Roman Empire, we’ll end up with another crusade.
can we cut this shit about new Holy Roman Empires and Reichs. The only empire that’s being built is a bolshevik one. The Germans were slaughtered fighting Bolshevism that sought to take over Europe and the world. They’ve achieved their goal. The old Soviet Union collapsed but under the Blair, Bush, Clinton, Brown, Sarkozy, Merkel puppets the United States and Europe have become tyrannical regimes run by and for oligarchs. Obama’s job is to seal the deal for the new Amerika. Christianity is dead, slain by the atheists and talmudists and Germany has been brainwashed and neutered.
Hahahahaha!
Satire is never more than a post away on Guidos blog
yeah, shut the fuck up about vast Catholic or Nazi conspiracies!
because it’s a vast Communist Conspiracy!!!
you couldn’t write better comedy than this
The Germans are converting to islam and turning up in Pakistan by the droves i read in the telegraph.
There are many ‘fronts’ Charlemagne, one agenda….
‘They’ control both sides and manipulate with the ‘third way’…the middle man if you will – ‘they’ control us, ‘they’ control the corporations that make the stuff we buy and ‘they’ control the stuff we buy it with…
Simples! sadly….
Er Sukyspook- what these tyrants never learn from history is that when one has nothing to lose in a battle-not even fear of death-then they lose always. Tyrants fear death because thay can’t enjoy their trappings.
If we get lumbered with an EU president, let’s at least pick someone suitable for the job. My starters for 10:
- Wayne Rooney
- Zippy
- Anyone who has won Big Brother
- Stan Boardman
I’ll not hear that defeatist talk. Start selecting your local Home Guard Captain instead.
Jean Claude van Damme – has all the necessary qualifications, including being from Belgistan.
I’m most content with the overall result, engineer – all will be well.
For now, maybe. Not for ever.
Rigged or not, ethical or not, it’s the decision you wanted, so all is well. What a fine democrat you are! Ever thought of moving to Iran or Afghanistan, where they share your views?
And it’s a sad day when it takes Sinn Fein to expose the fact that you are spending taxpayers’ money in your campaign to impose your views on the rest of us.
http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/17400
Sorry Trumpeter I do apologise. I forgot Zimbabwe. They rig elections there as well.
You are a peenarse.
After years of half the population and the government living recklessly and spending like there’s no tomorrow, Ireland is now effectively bankrupt.
Most of them know they are up shit creek and need the German’s to keep them afloat.
They’ll get their bail-out now but they’re still going to have to face austerity for years to come.
The Irish were like kids left alone in a sweetshop. Now they’re going to have their arses spanked and sent to the naughty step.
What’s happening to the one million euro+ 2bed terraced houses in Dublin and all those overpriced apartments Irish “investors” (sic) bought in Bulgaria and every other shitheap across Europe?
LMAO!!
Why are they so different from us in that regard?
Mrs Thatcher’s 1978 conference speech:
“The root of the matter is this: we have been ruled by men who live by the illusion that you can spend money you haven’t earned without eventually going bankrupt or falling into the hands of your creditors.”
We’ve fallen into the hands of our creditors and gone bankrupt. End of…
It’s a tie, it’s only fair to have the “playoffs”
The Yes vote yesterday, was the Irish peoples’ first act of servitude since they sold themselves into slavery after they adopted the Euro. There is a clear warning here.
Fingers crossed for the Ploes and Checks!
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Or they could just go on which referendum had the greater legitimacy – i.e. the one with the greater turnout.
I wonder which one that was?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1217793/Politicians-celebrities-granted-permission-names-child-database.html
looks like David Icke was right LOL
[...] has just been on RTE calling for a third referendum, on the grounds that it’s now Yes 1 No 1. Guido Fawkes makes a similar point. But – as we all know – over two legs, you measure goal difference in the event of a tie. The Yes [...]
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Democracy is not recognised in Europe, but at least there will not be a trade embargo on Guiness!
I have to laugh at all these ignorant English twats whining about the lack of democracy in Europe.
When the fuck was the UK ever a democratic entity?
Never, is the simple answer.
That’s why Blair was able to ride roughshod over British instututions and do just as he fuckin well pleased.
Due process and debate were but nuisances for Blair; so he simply did away with them, firstly in his own party and then in the country. he could do that because we didn’t have a written modern constitution from which the various branches of the state derived their power.
If you ask me, Blair is precisely the sort of person you want as European president.
He’s plenty of experience of running undemocratic entities in a charismatic authoritarian way.
It’s called Facism, children, and Dave will be but a local gauleiter, to Tony’s fuhrer.
You have to laugh though, at how easily the corporates have wrested power from the people, and centralised it all in their own hands.
Use it or lose it, you were told.
Too late now….
Answer to your question: not never, but from 1918 (Universal suffrage) until 1997, although Thatcher started the rot by abusing House processes. We would never have needed a written constitution if MPs had not been such cowards over the last 12 years.
“We would never have needed a written constitution if MPs had not been such cowards over the last 12 years”.
That’s why we needed a written constitution. You can’t depend on people to do the right thing.
You’re wrong about it being just the past 12 years. The legislature was just as supine to the executive during Thatcher’s period and indeed before. The only time the system worked any way well in terms of checks and balances was before political parties crystallised themselves within the legislature, and members were of a more independent mind.
The great flaw in British constitution which ensured that the executive would always triumph was retaining the monarchy as intrinsic to the constitution, and drawing the executive from the legislature.
They are more than cowards,they are traitors. Anyone allowing an act of treason to be perpetrated and not wilfully trying to stop it is guilty of misprision of treason, or turning a blindeye. At your next mp’s surgery remind him of his responsibilities and that if he does not defend his nation against the demoltion of the liberty of its peoples – when the wheel turns, the treason charge will apply – retrospectively – bastards that they are.
Bye bye Ireland, hope you enjoyed your few decades of independence.
Raus raus, schnell, schnell.
To be honest, I’d prefer to have been born in Germany than Britain.
I mean, what’s so brilliant about Britain?
The Germans have prosperity and freedoms the British can only dream about.
There was a time when Britain was great, but not any more. Those days are long gone. The Germans were beating shit out of us in terms of productivity as early as the 1970s and they managed to have prosperity and first class social services and freedoms too. Britain just couldn’t hack it when the empire was gone.
Best to face up to it.
Its nice to hear your voice again guido, now theres a probable yes. I wish you had gone home if you are irish – and stayed there.
I am sure that a lot of people in 1921 would have been very pleased if Eamonn De Valera had gone back to where he came from…..New York….. and stayed there. He and his anti-treaty lot certainly benefitted from power.Their grandchildren are testament to this as they are still in power in Dublin. Eamon o Cuiv being an example.He is De Valera’s grandson..He is a right pillock.The thing about Ireland is they do love dynasties.Once in power always in power. Nobody else gets a chance.In every county you find them.Fathers and sons,brothers,sisters,you name them they are in power.That’s why the political situation here is so corrupt.There is no democracy in Ireland.
Who are all these other De Valera’s in power then?
The truth is that there are many more of the Fine Gael sprogs in positions of pomposity and power today, Cosgraves, Collins etc.
Anyway, you’re obviously some lowlife chav from Coolock or something whose family didn’t do very well.
I can understand why you’re pissed off with your betters doing so well but, to be fair, we can’t have the uneducated chavs running the show.
Just about to watch Leinster v Munster and I certainly will NOT be cheering for Leinster.You are hundreds of miles off regarding the Coolock taunt. Wouldn’t live in Dublin if you paid me. The women there all have dyed jet black or yellow hair,huge amounts of face paint and are rather common. You only have to look at the so-called society pages to see what bad taste they all have. As for my family,thank you so much for asking,they’ve all done very well. They’ve done it through hard work,not through patronage or family connections.
People in these comments keep referring to “Ireland”, as if it was a country or state. It is not: Ireland is an island. The state under discussion here is the Irish Republic.
Northern Ireland has stayed British, and stayed free.
Northern Ireland is both Irish and British now, though mostly Irish in reality.
I see that even many protersunts are getting Irish passports now, to avoid having their DNA and everything else recorded on a British passport for anyone to read. It also helps when you’re going through all those countries Britain has pissed off in the past.
Britain is probably the least free part of Europe. The cameras are but your first clue. The powers of police and the state to monitor almost every aspect of your life are the second. Try protesting and see how far you get. Hardly free.
It’s probably true to say that it was ignorant cretins like you who allowed us to sleepwalk into the current British tyranny. At least the rest of Europe is still relatively free. If they help us get rid of the ridiculous powers of the state in Britain then perhaps it won’t be so bad after all.
[...] As Guido says, do they get a decider? [...]
Vote early, vote often!
With Declan Ganley neutered
What do you mean?????
You’d think being told what to do by second generation faux Irishmen would have had more of an effect.
Yes Guido as an Island nation Britain should ignore cooperation and leave Euro-land, go and set your own trade deals; no one who cares pays much attention to Britain these day unless attached to USA; go and write yourselves into further irrelevance at the behest of Willy Hague, who’s been spurned at the polls as the Tory leader before. Does he need a second or third go too?
Why should anyone listen to him now ad per before as leader. You and him are a piece of shit, do you want your people and our mates to go hungry you pompous useless fcuker.
Wise up.
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