BAE Prosecution Will Be Political Decision
The Serious Fraud Office has announced plans to prosecute BAE Systems, for bribing its way into contracts from Romania to South Africa. For years, BAE Systems has been cashing in on massive trans-national arms deals on dodgy terms but it’s managed to slip away from investigation, not least with the help of government collaboration and a legal team that has strung out negotiations with the SFO over years.
In 2006, Blair slapped down the SFO for investigating a series of BAE deals with Saudi Arabia worth £40billion. Blair claimed it would endanger “national security” – and throw an inconvenient spotlight on defence just a year after the invasion of Iraq.
BAE has spent a long time cosying up to politicians of all stripes to earn its place as the number two defence contractor worldwide. Along with other British arms mainstays Rolls-Royce and AugustaWestland, BAE funds the Parliamentary Armed Forces Scheme, a summer holidays jolly for MPs who want to “gain a broad view of military life” and “make official visits to Service establishments [where] they are normally treated as VIPs of at least two star or Rear Admiral level.” Sir Neil Thorne, ex-Tory MP and the founder of this “educational” programme, was a defence-junket goer himself back in the day and seems to have free run of Portcullis House nowadays.
So who’s making the decision as to whether to go after the weapons behemoth? Step up, Attorney General Baroness Patricia Scotland. Good thing we’ll all trust the Baroness to make the right judgment…
Has she resigned yet for breaking the law?
Ignorance is no excuse you know.
Mark Thatcher will be avoiding any countries that have an extradition treaty with the UK.
South Africa will be a good one, Thatcher’s favourite racist regime, at the time.
Didn’t Dave Komodo lizard lips, flicking tongue, stupendous Evostik combover go on a study tour/freebie at that time, let’s hope for his handlers that he didn’t do a bit of ‘consulting’ for BAE on the side.
Oops!
Is that you Mandy?
Bit tame for our representitive of government.
Go on let yourself go you chump.
New Labour ‘crash and burn’ perhaps. A rough landing for the rest of us when QE stops and we all have to pay the bill….
Wasn’t it BAE’s “friend” Tony Blair who quashed it last time? This could look very uncomfortable for Labour all over again if some big names and evidence make it into the public domain.
Starting to look like the Megrahi affair all over again. Their little political cheap shot blew up in their faces.
Let the games commence ….
F**K off you porn king
Not sure it was all down to Blair being a friend of Bae as much as him looking out for Bush’s friends the Saudis. We contend that it was this factor that led Blair to manipulate Goldsmith again. You know…Bush senior…mutual family oil interests (see Fahrenheit 911)…post-Downing street opportunities…USA gravy train etc…?
And if those damn Johnny Foreigner polis in far distant lands have been feeding at the Bae trough what’s to say those closer to home haven’t filled their bellies and their boots too?
How many billions have the MoD frittered away in the past 20 years? How many delays have they simply accepted without compensation? How much kit is still in mothballs at taxpayers’ expense?
And how often have they chosen the local expensive option in preference to cheaper, quicker off-the-shelf equipment that has been tried and already tested by our allies?
Once someone has the guts and strength to roll a rock over it’s often the case that all kinds of unexpected creepy-crawlies are suddenly exposed to daylight!
Well done the SFO for showing your tenacity and teeth – now let’s see you shake the tree until ALL the rotten fruit falls!
Actually, it was Mbeki and the ANC, engage brain before posting.
mmmm……………..”Thatcher’s favourite racist regime, at the time.”…it still is a racist regime, which is why white South Africans are now being granted political asylum.
Fascinating, if true.
But I thought only whites could be racist.
You are misguided and ill informed – firstly Mark Thactcher would have had to negotiate the deal with the ANC and not the previous government. At the time of the racist regime the British Government had sanctions against South Africa which included an arms embargo. Secondly why keep on hammering on about the racist regime – South Africa now has job reservation for formerly disadvantaged people and this has been in place for over ten years; we will not forget that the apartheid error was wrong but like Labour stop blaming what happend over 12years ago on the present – the arms industry is dirty and most countries who deal in arms have blood on their hands.
MB has given us the reason why this prosecution comes up now.
It’s to get Mark Thatcher in the frame. And possibly Jonathon Aitken too.
It’s the Labour two minute hate.
Hate Thatcher. Aaaaaaaargh. Get it out. Distract folk from the economic clusterfuck on their doorstep.
Don’t look here – look there.
Booo Emmanuel Goldstein. We hate you. Boooo.
Can see the telly coverage now, Mark Thatcher doorstepped in Paraguay,
‘When will you turn yourself in?”
“How did you feel when you heard the warrant for your arrest had been issued?”
I note you don’t bother to deny that digging up this is purely to put Thatcher in the frame and not for any deeply held legal principles.
All this and borrowing 15% of GDP just to maintain the illusion that the UK economy isn’t fucked.
How do they find the time to fuck up everything so badly?
The fact that BAe are standing up to the SFO and not conceding defeat leads me to suspect they have some serious dirt to dish out in the event of a trial. This could turn ugly.
Believe me MB, BAe has more dirt on more politicians than you have childish left wing fantasies.
I would not be surprised if Baroness Scotland didn’t have a little accident, after all we are not just dealing with a massive multinational arms company that make everything from field-guns to helicopters, fighter planes, strategic bombers through surface ships and nuclear submarines. They have serious connections throughout the international intelligence and security services. Many of the nations in which BAe has it’s web woven are less than democratic and friendly and if they feel that some of their more “premium” and “extravagant” deals were to be compromised, then getting rid of that thorn in their side would not be too big a problem for them.
Let’s have a go at Cecil Rhodes while we are at it. MB’s reasoning remains as flaky as ever. Hang on didn’t Columbus find america where it all started. Smear campaign please
Nothing new there – he’s been doing that for years.
Czech Republic being one of the countries involved in the bribery allegations
The same Czech Republic Mandelson would like to drop their objections to Lisbon
Good thing Mandelson doesn’t have any influence as the Business Secretary who could throw Baroness Scotland to the wolves.
Otherwise he could steer this case to his and his bestest friend waiting EU President Blair’s advantage. Mandy would never scheme though.
Anyone who could believe such things would be a chump
Peter Mandelson has the full backing of the PM and he assures us that he will in no way influence any decision that the Baroness has to make.
In other news Baroness Scotland received a gift of a beautiful Patek Philippe timepiece from an anonymous admirer today. “I don’t know who its from. It just arrived gift wrapped with an unsigned card and a note outlining some instructions I should follow”.
This is the sort of gift handed out by Russian Oligarchs.
“Peter Mandelson has the full backing of the PM”
nah, it is the Gorgon who has, for the moment, got the backing of Lord Fondlebums of boys.
Only for a short while until he has finished setting up the slippery skids that end up just in front of a fast bus lane.
Meanwhile back at the gents only Turkish baths… Team B is being set up to be staffed by the nauseating, arse licking sycophants that we do anything to have PM or cabinet on their CV. (not that any of the worthless tossers will ever find honest employment again). Plus a couple of months at the really big trough. Money grabbing all they can get until they are dragged away screaming and slobbering.
It would explain the amazing volumes of sheer shite that has oozed out of brighton this past week.
Meanwhile the vultures are circling in the sky to pick the corpse of UK plc clean.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article6856174.ece
You couldn’t make it up really.
yes you could, but it would be less believable.
I am really running for Prime Minister for the other growth party Raving Monster Loony Party …..Our agenda is to do away with all seats in parliament – we can all sit on the floor , expenses no need , we can all eat rice from the same pot (with the correct hand of course -How does Abu Hamsa do it ? watch Discovery Channel tonight !) Do away with second homes – it’ll be 12 MP families to 1 house -as all Muslim members have the same agenda anyway (They will of course all claim for the same mortgage- some things dont change !) illegal immigrants will be made Lords & Ladies , Ladies must walk 5 paces behind their men BUT must hire coloured maids from the Carribean and repatriate their Indian slaves to work in Tata car factories back home . TEFL courses will be mandatory for all teachers so they can still let British kids remember the old days and have a break during Arabic lessons ……..All football clubs must have Middle Eastern owners and football will be taught in all schools and mosques in between prayers .so there !! Allaleughjah
Why now? This will run for years – right through the Conservative government’s tenure, badly hitting UK exports and jobs.
Nasty, nasty bastards.
Expect a lot more of these slow burning fuses to be set over the next few months. This is the scorched earth coming fully into play. They know its over and so they are ensuring as much damage as possible before they have to sling their hook.
Like you say nasty nasty bastards.
It won’t do a lot for the jobs either and a defence contractor under investigation I suspect will have any number of difficulties in the market place. That will cause untold problems at home. Expect some of tis industry to go to the wall as a result. This from the party that supposedly is on the workers side.
Nasty nasty bastards indeed
Another sop to the French to support Blair’s imminent coronation, but it won’t work. The French aerospace industry must be laughing their socks off.
Indeed, this has NOTHING to do with any alleged breach of the law, in fact it is very doubtful that British law even applies and I am sure that BAe systems legal beagles would run rings round that criminal Scotland and her team.
This is pure spite, nothing less. They don’t care how many people they will put out of work, they don’t care how many lives will be put at risk by the dangers to national security.
They are not just viscous nasty bastards. They are a vile, malignant, cruel caricature of the old nasty party.
We need to get rid of those treasonous bastards in the labour party for good!
who you calling a chump??
our economy looks wrecked with malice aforethought. only someone who is criminally insane would be complicit in the destruction of our largest-surviving manufacturing industry.
someone was suggesting brown was suffering early-stage dementia. it should never stand up in court, any more than pinochet or any of those financial fraudsters who tried using it as a defence in court.
nice ought to stump up the money for his medication, having regard to their precious cost/benefit analysis in terms of quality-assured-life-years.
Anyone who thinks you can make a living in the itnernational arms market without negotiating bungs is criminally naive, and teminally stupid. Life is not a fairy story, nor a morality tale; to run an economy you have to deal in the real world which means you have to get your hands dirty, unfortunately.
These hoons are determined to wreck our entire economy before they leave the stage.
It just has to be deliberate, no-one could be that stupid.
Maybe BAE did break the law, but as long as they weren’t aware of it and it was only a “technical breach” then a small fine should be sufficient punishment.
You must be joking.
LMAO!!!
Let Baroness Scotland have a go at that one!
That useless criminal bitch should be locked up!
Baroness Scotland will not bite the hand that feeds her, only the hand that cleans her.
Can someone take out a civil suit against The Baroness Blackass since no one seems prepared to nail her Criminal act to the wall. This is why the UK Govt and Labour Party look so ridiculous to the rest of the world. Those and such as those create laws then break them AND get away with it -this isnt rough justice it’s anarchy. Lawmaker turned lawbreaker . Power begets corruption -oh no surely not us in the UK Govt – yes the SFO will prove it -as we abroad for along time have watched it unfurl time & time again -ask the Sultan (Oman) and King (Saudi )how they got there more than exotic pads in London !!
“-ask the Sultan (Oman) and King (Saudi )how they got there more than exotic pads in London !!”
It’s not like they receive billions of dollars a day in oil revenues or anything….muppet.
Arms-manufacturers and bribery: a libertarian analysis of the prevailing cesspit….
Perhaps the ultimate expression of big-Statehood today is being armed to the teeth: step up the winners, North Korea, China, the USSR even today, the various middle-eastern headchopping juntas, most sub-Saharan-African nations, etc. Since the majority of the latter ones could not steelforge their way out of a plastic bag, they buy “gear” from others who make it, such as the uSSR, China, SAFr, and also form a few places which make clever (but costly) stuff, such as the uK, France and Germany. Israel will naturally need to keep everything it can produce for itself, to ward off the next BBC-lefty-scumbag-attack.
Arms will sadly be needed in large amounts by any incoming UK Libertarian Government, for two reasons. (1) to protect by deterrence against the inevitable and rapid assault by the UN and the NWO – we can’t have the slaves seeing an example of why we are hideous now, can we…. and (2) to subsequently prosecute Jihad against the less-immediately libertarian-leaning governments outside, who might be looking rocky and ripe for regime change and people-liberation.
In this case, the UK needs a large and vibrant arms industry that can be the supplier-of-first-recourse in the event of the predicted attack on the first LPUK government to be elected. this will not thankfully come from Brussels, or even Moscow, but dudes like “Im-as-mad-as-a-dinnerjacket” say whan they mean and mean precisely what they say: so did the late Kim Jong-Il before he died, as did the late osmium bin-liner.
To keep such an industrial and R&D base alive, volume production of good but expensive kit needs to be possible. Volume today in the International Arms Trade is maintained by selling off production run-ons to head-chopping scumbags elsewhere, who have money (albeit extorted with menaces), since friendly polities won’t buy it as they are too sensible to have run down their own arms-production base-levels, and develop their own weaponry. Step forward the uSA, france, germany, israel etc.
If we have to sell arms to nasty scumbags who cut living people’s heads off and others who deprive them of their liberty and food, in order ot be able to have some ourseleves, then we will have to offer the said scumbags the stuff they are accustomed to. This may include money, or it may be sexy girls, or whatever. If labour MPs hold their noses when talking about, say BAe systems, then they have themselves to blame, as they want these places to “provide jobs” (votes.)
I agree that prosecution BAe will be a political decision. To do it will be the wrong decision. The French in particular, and the Russians (who have stolen the plans already – as is natural and inevitable – for whatever fine kit we propose to develop and sell next) will laugh all the way to the bank.
And an incoming Libertarian State will get threatened with the stolen cheaper copies of the very same weapons.
Make sure she asks the CEO for his passport though.
Isn’t Agusta Westland an Italian company?
Si
How are David Mills and Tessa Jowell. Still together?
Ciao
I don’t remember marrying him? I might have signed something a few years ago though but not sure what it was.
EX Yoevil?
Yeovil u nob
Anglo Italian. Its the italian side thats propping it up. Otherwise it would have collapsed on its arse 20 years ago, if it hadnt had the government tit to suck on.
Should have let the fucker go bust, their helicopters are shit and overpriced.
Guidiot you Oaf the Saudi investigation was halted in 2006
Corrected you charmer.
don’t bother apologising -accuracy ain’t MB’s strong point either.
the Saudi’s have alot to answer for.
Wahabism is most of it.
No problem then for BAE – she has a strong track record of totally ignoring the law.
How can someone under investigation by UKBA decide on a prosecution?
Heh, we don’t make the rules.
You’re not even aware of them.
Can someone take out a civil suit against The Baroness Blackass since no one seems prepared to nail her Criminal act to the wall. This is why the UK Govt and Labour Party look so ridiculous to the rest of the world. Those and such as those create laws then break them AND get away with it -this isnt rough justice it’s anarchy. Lawmaker turned lawbreaker . Power begets corruption -oh no surely not us in the UK Govt – yes the SFO will prove it -as we abroad for along time have watched it unfurl time & time again -ask the Sultan (Oman) and King (Saudi )how they got there more than exotic pads in London !!
you gov daily:: con 40, lab26, lib 20
Is this the first negative post-conference poll bounce on record?
Even the LibDems managed an improvement after their shambolic effort.
Oh dear this will upset the BBC Online Poll Tracker (just launched!) which springs unsurprisingly straight to the last YouGov poll ie yesterday’s showing Liebore on 30 and only 7 points in it.
As per this link (at time of writing) BBC Online.
“See that despondent blue line Tristram, that’s those baby eating tories and shows what our Gordon is capable of”
“What about today’s poll though?”
“Tra-la, tra-la I go home at 5pm, sorryyyyy”
I noticed that YouGov: right at the end of the line too. Wasn’t there a weighting change overnight after Ruin’s speech (in favour of Labour voters nach)?
The Sun’s poll has Conservatives on 59%.
No, I’m not listening. I go home at 5pm. That chumplington Tristram can do whatever is necessary tomorrow. Though he may leave it a few days. [sticks tongue out]
Wa-Hey! Party time. Oh … not at British Aerospace or Rolls Royce. Everywhere else though. Is that supposed to make us happy?
Listened to Claire Short today.
Apparently Brown was to back her & put pressure on Blair to ensure that the (Tanzanian part of the) deal was cancelled.
The system on offer was NOT fit for purpose.
True to form, Brown bottled it……. & supported Blair.
Worse than that, he said he’d support her. Then failed to turn up at the critical cabinet meeting, sent a deputy, who sided with Blair. McCavity is such a coward.
NB. One of the few decisions Blair got right – at least it helped recoup the aid budget.
That’s a surprise then?
Blair’s much much worse than a pure pure bastard.
I think there are questions over the legality of the export licence that Blair, backed by the current PM, signed off.
Blair must be in the picture in assisting the deal going ahead.
get interpol on him now
What could be better a crooked Attorney, incapable of obeying the simplest of laws she frames, makes a decision on this matter.
Baroness Scotland making the legal system less credible every day.
She’s been ordered to by Brown or the Prince of Darkness.
It’s to re-open the Thatcher angle. And the Jonathon Aitken angle.
Sure, we fucked up the economy but look, you used to hate these guys. Okay they’re not in power now or even in opposition but you’ve got to rekindle that hate.
Hate. It’s all that keeps Labour going now.
….and this is just the beginning……
Yep. I came back here this evening to paste up that the AG, that well-known fugitive from justice: Patricia, Baroness Scotfree, hereafter known as Fat Pa , was to be the one to decide on whether to prosecute BAE systems… Separation of powers NOT!
She looked blythe and carefree as she skipped in to no 10. Dressed in a black suit, she still couldn’t disguise her fat arse.
Saucer of milk for Barefootcontessa!!
Speaking of the rotten Baroness Tongatonga … New Supreme Court opened today.
The Royal Courts of Justice on the Strand are badged with the Her Maj’s Coat of Arms reflecting in whose name justice is being done.
The Supreme Court seems to have overlooked this. It is badged with its own symbol and no sign of the Royal Coat of Arms.
Now would it be wrong to think Liebour may be associated with this wee change?
Is Justice now to be done in Tongatonga’s name?
Any idea why they are choosing to prosecute / investigate BAE now, at the end of their time in government, and not at any point in the past twelve years?
Also, is this a good thing?
Yes – preparing to offload these companies onto the French as the Government is a bit short of readies at the moment.
BAe is not owned by the state it’s owned by the shareholders.
What happens is BAE gets broken up?
Who will keep supplying ammunition to our soldiers and the all the other equipment they need.
Arms industry has always involved kick backs and bribes, they used National Secirity to stop another prosecution so why this now?
I keep telling you the troops already have all the equipment and ammunition they need.
And also the Jimmy Choo designer sunglasses they like to wear while on patrol. It’s all about looking good in khaki baby.
They really do have some homo-erotic thing going on at Labour don’t they?
LOLOLOLOLOL YEP YEP YEP…..
Ooops thats messed up my suit………
It’s the final dismantling of whatever we had over the rest of the EUSSR in 1997, our army, our City, our legal system, our armaments industry and our nuclear deterrent.
We’re just an offshore refugee camp for the disaffected, the militant and the riff-raff of the planet. Enjoy.
Broken up and sold off cheap… to Carlyle Group
Perhaps we’ll have to buy ammo from the French – plus they aren’t too fussy about paying agents’ “commissions” are they?
or who they sell it to
The Pheonix 4 are rubbing their hands at the very thought.
Phoenix even doh
We buy all our ammo from Belgium, we make the fabulous toys.
BAe are an utterly incompetent arms manufacturer. The MoD only buys their kit under political pressure. The arguement is that we must maintain strategic independence so we must have a defence industry. This is a lie as most modern weapon systems need components we have to buy abroad. The reason we buy Britsih (and that means from BAE as they are the only real defence company left) is to keep workers in jobs. That is maybe a noble idea but what does it lead to?
1. Weapons systems that are poor quality, arrive late and not as good as stuff already on the market.
2. Our forces going ino harm’s way with second rate kit.
3. BAe being able to charge silly money as we will not cancel their contracts and go elsewere.
However, keeping a few BAe punters in work is surely a good enough reason to waste our tax money and giving our troops rubbish kit…isn’t it?
Read Lewis Page’s book “Lions, Dinosaurs and Donkeys”- he has a great take on the MoD and it is highly readable for people with no knowledge of defence issues.
Talking about people with no knowledge of defence issues- is Sponge Bob Shit-Pants the worst Sec State oF Defence ever?
Which kit?
Which systems?
Which factories?
Names, links – not innuendo please.
Its a good book. I’ve got it.
Is Spongebob the worst? Almost. Bunter Soames was THE worst, followed by Buff then Spongebob.
Give Spongebob some credit, he hasnt been in post long enough to make any real decisions that have had any real negative effect in reality. Buff, Browne and the rest of them did.
Yougottabefuckinjokin!!
With one billion pound fines in the offing it’s a wonder how the Baroness Scotland ‘housekeeper’ issue came to the fore all of a sudden.
It couldn’t be a conspiracy, surely, could it?
Anyhow she’s paid her fine and they should pay theirs, shouldn’t they?
Evidence?
Is something that is indicative.
Indicative of Scotland? Not paying their share?
Be clearer oh wise one. Your cryptic answers may impy a mystique – or just scrambled eggs for a brain.
Don’t shoot the messenger. Master Chump doesn’t come up with this guff, he’s just relaying the script.
If Scotland has paid the fine is that not an admission of guilt?
So why hasn’t she cleared her desk, apart from the obvious answer that she expects her cleaner to do that?
and usually lacking in conspiracy theories,hence that theory fills the vacuum . Dream on.
Except they’ve not been fined MB have they? They simply haven’t caved in to pressure to settle out of court. BS was fined. Very fast. Obviously.
…and they won’t cave in cause their legal advisors say they have a duty of care to shareholders not to cave in on what these advisors say is a weak prosecution case.
And thus m’lord we rest our point.
I imagine we can expect to hear from Max Clifford when Baroness Scotland steps into the limelight.
Story about who? The tongan, or the wrongun?
Does this mean that other countries with defence industries don’t use bribery, well I can’t imagine the French or the USA using such dispicable practices !!!!!!
We all know that Baroness Scotland is a right chump
she should resign now
A left chump, surely?
It began in Tonga and ended in Scotland.
Tonga, ya bass!
what’s the betting that Baroness Tongan Rugmuncher de Beouf-Curtainz will decide that it’s “not in the public interest” to pursue a prosecution and that the whole matter will be dropped, just as she will be; this lets Gorgon kill two birds with one stone; BAe get off the hook and Patricia falls on her sword before the election, and Gorgon gets to claim the credit.
who knows, eh?
you’ve just applied the LieBore “Standard Operating Proceedures” I reckon you’re correct.
Think “national interest” rather than “national security”. Is it in the national interest to crucify the UK’s biggest exporter and the virtual monopoly supplier of the UK’s defence equipment. The taxpayer will end up paying in loss of corporation tax, income tax for all the lost jobs and higher costs of defence procurement for missiles, aircraft and ships. The job losses are bound to be at the sharp end – the little people – and won’t affect the boardroom and senior management responsible for the offence. Be careful what you wish for.
When you say defence, you mean attack, shurely, etc?
But Labour will be getting the hate figure of Mark Thatcher and his mum on the screen. And possible the perjurer Jonathon Aitken for good measure.
You’ve got to give the voters something other than Gordon and Labour to hate otherwise Labour are doomed.
Trashing the economy even further is nothing compared to the importance of retaining power. And anyway, it’ll be all Thatcher‘s fault.
Just watch.
Two minute hate.
Orwell was a genius.
Bonjour Matelot!
Yes indeed. National interest. Remind me, what else has been flogged off that represents “national interest”. Actually, the list of big concerns NOT flogged off will be a lot shorter, so that represents the shopping list for China India and France. Keep mum. Don’t let anyone know.
Its always about jobs.
Its never about the horrendous weaponry that these companies produce.
Sea Daddy – when you need defending you may rue the day they stopped producing the “horrendous weaponry”.
Well said. The socialist bed wetters and surrender monkeys never seem to learn.
It didn’t do Uncle Sam any good on 9-11.
Defence, my hairy ringpiece.
No mass attack (apart from sudden jihad syndrome) on American soil since Al-Quaeda ‘s initial atrocity says it did.
As Richard Littlejohn might say .. “You couldn’t make it up” …
We make it up all the time. Haven’t you been paying attention for the last 12 years?
Good news for Dassault and Lockheed-Martin. Does anyone seriously think you can do business with Arabs without paying baksheesh? Liberal fucktards will close down our industry and imagine we can all find employment as diversity advisers. Fuck the lot of them.
What is wrong with government – they want to increase spending and protect public service jobs that produce nothing
and
they are emasculating banking, defence and small businesses with punitive measures which will destroy the very tax revenue needed top pay for all the friends of Gordon.
Britain has no manufactruring industry and it’s greatest asset is its knowledge base
anyone with half a brain will be looking for an overseas posting.
Like Blair you mean?
timebomb for the tories. Just imagine the mental one sneaking in with a black ball and a fuse with a sparkle at the end. You get the picture.
Don’t worry.
Once we have a patent on the cure for cancer we will be minted.
You will find that Brown’s cure for cancer is every bit as credible and enduring as his ‘prudent’ handling of the economy.
It exists only in his fucked-up head.
Brown’s plan for a cancer cure is to infect the country with chicken & bacon flu to justify using toxic vaccines containing previously banned levels of mercury.
Targeted at those who are costing the health & benefits system too much.
e.g. the chronically sick, the old & infirm and the unmarried but pregnant.
The unmarried mothers’ barracks announced yesterday, will mandate compulsory vaccinations whose deaths can be blamed on the chicken & bacon flu and not the vaccine.
Hence he gets to cure cancer and reduce the number of patients with cancer, by simply killing them off and getting to blame the flu.
Typical method of framing announcments in a positive way while masking the deadly real agenda.
Which Labour policy has NOT been presented in such a manner ?
Didn’t most of the 9-11 terrorists originate in erm, Saudi Arabia?
Shouldn’t we be smoking them out of their tents?
Most of the terroists that escaped from the crashed planes have left Saudi I think.
That’s like saying, let’s raze Bradford because of the London Underground attacks.
Mmmm… let’s think about this further
elements of the population of bradford
All of it .Nothing exists above Bristol.
I can’t understand this country.
Why are we going after a successful company?
What is the benefit?
Moral highground.
Great view, it’ll be a shame we’ll all be so skint we wont be able to afford picnic.
The ‘benefit’ is to fill the papers with stories of Mark Thatcher.
Aaaaaaargh. Thatcher!!!
It’s to keep the hate burning in Labour activists and wipe the news of the UK’s economic devestation (caused by the imbecile Brown) off the front page.
The non benefit or good benefit depends how you like the arms trade, its going to be the loss of jobs in BAE in this country that will be bad,they can pull up sticks and move to the USA wth the jobs, they have taken over quite a few US companies,all the uk jobs losses will be voters and taxpayers,good one McSnot,maybe McSnot wants all the ex military land that these factories sit on to sell off to his mates.
That Thatcher and his mother are/were detestable.
See?
99 just proves the point…discussion instantly turns to Thatcher. Dont fall for it Contessa
She’s got absolutely nothing to do with David Cameron and the tory party, although I take your point.
I wouldnt bet on that ! What if labour went to bae said we want 2 billion in out of court , thanks , and bae said no , and then it was discovered that labour are up to there neck in defence backhanders mmm which lab mp worked for tony and owns a weapons maker ??? thinking hard ???
you might have a point there !
would the 2 billion be enough to cover the MPs pension fund short-fall ?
It would certainly boost it up a bit.
They can get fucked most of what I made today is for BAE and its friends, MOD stuff pays like you wouldn’t believe. The paper trail is a bitch though.
Was it all stuff to kill humans of a different colour?
Nice.
This sort of thing is wrong, of course, but isn’t this how the defence industry works all around the world ?
I’m beginning to understand why so much effort recently has gone into smearing the AG.
Is it cos she’s a bit overweight?
If she was smeared then why did she cough up the fine? Surely she knows a good lawyer.
Fuck me , she could stab someone in broad daylight , and be witnessed By Brown himself. But you forget 2 little things.She’s black , and female.Not guilty M’lord
This reminds me, the Pat Scotland trail seems to have gone very quiet. Guido, don’t you have a mole in the UKBA. Surely they msut have got to the bottom of the non-second passport by now.
Aha, they’ve put a case together and sent it to the Attorney General to see whether or not to prosecute.
Come one Guido, you’re the one to keep this alive until she banged to rights.
Labour laugh-a- minute Conference first.
Baroness tomorrow.
Lady Jam?
Don’t worry. The policy here is no dead horse left unflogged. Galley is having her disbarred. He’s even filled out the forms. The Gobshite Centre describes these forms as – and I quote – “Official”. That’s not a word that gets used lightly around here I can tell you.
Bar.Tongtonga your sister then McJimmy?
It’s pending.
Perhaps BAe fucked up when they made Mc Mentals Moral Compass, it never worked and he is mightly miffed. The Chump.
Come on my Sun, we want Photo’s of Mandy fucking the night porter around the back of the Grand Hotel.
So Labour are about to destory what’s left of our manufacturing industry.
I fail to see how they will spin it as the ‘Tories did it’ to the thousands of BAE workers who could lose their jobs over this.
Easy. It was illegal, we were compelled to act by our moral compass (temporarily mislaid for period of Iraq war). And it was Thatcher wot done it.
You’re unemployed because of Margaret Thatcher
Hate on…
Maggie, Maggie, Maggie.
Out, out, out.
Hate. It’s what keeps Labour going.
We have to hate.
Its what we do
I hate all men.
Gordon hates the English
David Milipede hates foreigners
Ed Balls hates economists
Peter Mandelson hates women
Labour, Labour,Labour
Hate,Hate,Hate!
I haven’t even the strength to oust Gordon I’m so very tired. Tired of it all. We are all so very tired now and depressed.
And next year I have to fight for the leadership.
Gordon hates the English and couldn’t bring himself to sing…”in England’s green and pleasant land’…. mouthed it only.
Just like John Redwood in Wales?
thousands of BAE workers weren’t bribing Saudis and breaking the law
the fine can be paid from the ample bonuses and bribes fund BAE keeps for MPs and corrupt foreign governments
if anyone loses their job over this it will be those at the top who broke the law
The bung from BAe was vital to stop our hollowed-out log boat from sinking.
The stench of corruption permeates throughout this government. This surely is the time to use the ‘trusty sword of truth’ to coin a phrase, especially if the one wielding it is clean as a whistle. (Is there such a beast?)
If this hits the public realm there is definitely going to be some political casualties.
Let’s hope so. I’m praying it will be that ‘good’ little catholic BLAIR, BLAIR, and BLAIR.
If the Baroness Wonga bottles it, any incoming conservative government should reopen all these past scandals and ‘review’ the evidence, start an investigation into any suspected cases of serious corruption….. that really would put the frighteners on this labour lot.
I hope DC has a plan to deal with the past 12 years of maladministration.
(120) … which starts with a Great Repeal Bill (http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Great_Repeal_Bill)
Taking a moment away from contemplating how ‘undiagnosed early-onset dementia’ might a useful backstop defence when (and if) the chickens come home to roost, the Contessa’s comment suggests that the government’s spin machine has turned savagely upon those formerly within its tent.
It raises the prospect that prosecuting Bae is an excuse to remind the world that it was Anthony Lynton Blair who personally stood in the way of this course of action when he was Prime Minister. Essentially, they’re putting personal enmities before the nation’s good.
With Lisbon essentially a done deal (but for some awkward nonsense in one of the continent’s ultra-peripheral regions) the priority has become to ‘Stop Tony’.
It is not hard to confect a case that we are witnessing Götterdämmerung. A wretched and humiliating endgame for the self-styled saviour of the world.
This is all about grabbing money from BAE to help fund gordon’s deficit.
BAE are likely to settle out of court with the SFO for a sum in the region of £1billion because, until they can get threat of prosecution lifted they are being frozen out of lucrative contracts.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/markets/questor/6252030/BAE-shares-should-take-off-despite-SFO-investigation.html
Nell, some truth in that I’m sure. Gorgon needs the money, like there’s no tomorrow.
Hole in one Nell…….
Its all very well , but who would actually get that wad of cash ?
One billion? That doesn’t cover the interest upon the interest, to misquote the late Lord Clark.
Perhaps a £5000 fine maybe the outcome if the can claim s similarity to a congestion charge. Or Maybe BAE will be asked if they showed and kept copies of passports of the employee’s then they can claim they should have been investigated by the UKBA and not the SFO.
As for the Attorney General. Perhaps a poacher turned poacher.
Did BAE employ any cleaners by chance or sell weapons to Tonga?
Too bad they didn’t flog ‘em a seismogram and some speakers.
So let me get this right
We are going after a British firm for doing what it takes to win lucrative business from dodgy regimes, thereby enriching the Exchequer and providing high tech British jobs for British workers
Why?
Because, and this is very important, our government are a bunch of fucking jackasses.
Good summary.
Hopefully, there is a bottle of brandy and a loaded Purdey nearby interfering with Gordo’s moral compass.
We can but hope.
I doubt the tightwad would stretch to a Purdey. A Baikal would be more ideologically sound for the commie bastard.
Don’t put down the Baikal it’s a superb weapon for interupting a moral compass.
2 Purdey’s please.He’s so effing dim he might miss with the first
Because it’s the right thing to do.
Don’t forget we are the British, civilisers of the world.
Look on ye mighty and despair.
Or, to put the alternative view, piss yourself laughing as we shoot ourselves in the foot again and hobble off to the IMF.
The trashing of everything under the sun by Labour will continue until they are kicked out of office. Everything that was working well is now FUBAR. Although we shout and scream about incompetence, it is the deliberate agenda of the Labour leadership.
The reason the Labour leadership appoints only cronies and severely untalented sycophants to it’s team is to ensure that the leadership’s decisions are unchallenged and implemented. They don’t want talent it causes them too much trouble.
The agenda of the Labour party has been to utterly destroy the fabric and wealth of the entire country to break down the British stubbornness towards full EU membership. They want to force the country to believe that the only way to survive in the future is to be a full member of the EU.
It’s classic Hegel
So although they may appear stupid (as they mostly are at the more junior ministerial levels) the top leadership are achieving their objectives and securing themselves jobs on the EU gravy train.
Would it be possible to put remaining Blair’s Chumps to walk the streets in order to further reduce Gudrun’s deficit? I figure they can work 16/24 over 6 days. There are loads of efficiency consultants about who have been living the high hog’s life on payments from Health Service Trust budgets. They’d know and might share their knowledge for the odd munterscuttle.
‘… was a defence-junket goer himself back in the day and seems to have free run of Portcullis House nowadays.’
I know it’s probably a bit old fashioned of me, but I don’t understand this ‘back in the day’ business. Does Guido mean that he is writing at night and that so-and-so was a defence-junket goer earlier that day? Or is it ‘back in the old days’ as we see in Britain and have done for years?
What do you think this is, a fucking literary criticism class? Guido is pleased if spelling and punctuation are 90% right. This is a blog, not poetry.
Now Guido, I know you have a beautiful young family, as do I, and we both lead by example don’t we, hence no txt spk…………………… Don’t we ………?
Good. Glad that’s agreed.
Quite right Guido. I thought I was posting on the Telegraph site. Now, Mr Heffer…
Well put.
more of Art I would have thought
I want my refund.
Guido, well done for showing that you bother to read postings on your blog, unlike so many (Toenails, Toynbee, et al.) It must be a chore to wade through,and a lot of chaff for a little wheat, but it shows a respect for your contributors which I for one do appreciate.
Surely BAE can dish some dirt on the bastards?
I wager that Mandelson has so many skeletons in his closet, that they are now tumbling into Narnia!
is that where all the Brazilian rent-boys are hiding? you make him sound like a camp Fred West!
Not so much Fred West, more like evil clown John Wayne Gacy.
Look ‘im up…if you dare.
good artist though
Gordon and Darling, need a quick Billion
right away!
Funds the cure for Cancer, and Gulags
for Slags, and Baroness McChumps cleaning
roster. Oh and a bung for some Rich Arabs
that might want to buy some more
weapons!
BAE broken up then flogged for £40 like our gold.
Everybody loses apart from the buying country.
SNAFU with Zanulabour.
W8 4 ZanuCon
he hasn’t got the readies to pay HIS government debt.
He needs to sell off a few assets (he doesn’t care who owns them either) in a sneaky way to keep his circus rolling for just another few months.
So the UK’s biggest manufacturing company is BAE Systems — A vile stinking corrupt entity that manufactures the tools of slaughter and mutilation, for the military and of course the police (civil paramilitaries) to wage war on civilians.
It’s typical of Nu Labour that decent businesses are going under, in the face of extortionate business rates, Massive NI contributions, multiple business taxes, and reams of laws and regulations from both Europe and the vile shit in Westminster.
What a nasty little nation Britain has become under the dirty evil filth in government. Britain stinks.
It’d absolutely unbelievable that Baroness Scotchland, with an unsettled dispute still hanging over her head, is the person who can say yay or nay as to whether the case against BAE proceeds.
Corruption, CORRUPTION? This country, like Zimbabvwe or any other dubious country, is in the thick of it. Is the country bent from top to toe?
You’re nicked.
Thank you comrade. No Marxist re-education camp for you.
And the SFO’s percentage of succesful
prosecutions in all cases brought before
the Courts is a masterly 8%
BAE bothered?
Fuck No!
What did Gordon Brown spend the 3G
licence money on MB?
Brothers cleaning business?
so will Blair be prosecuted???????
if bae did illegal deals all condoned by Blair then surely he needs to be in court too?????
add to that mandies loans/browns loans and gold sale/darlings theft of 5 homes
etc etc………….
if we are really going to clean things up then the law must be the same FOR EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
Call Scotland …. not of the Yard though……
Quick enough to Bol*ock mugabe for corruption eh.
and Burma.
Miliband’s speech today was hypocritical in the extreme.
Little Milli’s got a ‘song to sing, and a hymn to hum’. He hums from the stench of newlabour corruption.
Are you sure the hum is not from his Dirty Sanchez mauser?
Gordon Brown = Junky Cocksucka
Its all goin’ the way of the Pear!
That’s Baroness Scotchland,………. pear shaped.
And you wondered how newlabour (an obselete name now, so I am told) were going to pay for withdrawn hospital car parking charges, increased care for the elderly, improved education, no reduction of quangos, no reduction of extraneous civil servants, continued financial support for the NHS etc etc etc.
They knew all along they were going to milk a Billion or so from BAE.
I’m not against the prosecution of BAE, as long as that slimy creep Blair gets dragged in to court.
Zanu couldn’t assemble a small arse wiping team for one billion, never mind pay for any of the so called ‘pr*mises’ they made this week.
Hence the need to get the Bliar into a safe job with diplomatic immunity P-fookin-DQ.
Once Princess Tony gets to be the EU Presindenette his arse will be stuck to the EU throne for at least 10 years, unless he wangles it as a job for life in the typical Labour way, then he’s above prosecution for life.
Yup. Worked for his mate Silvio.
I am an avid SUN reader……………..
Comply………
Run error reboot.
The Al Yamanah deal to the best of my knowledge was a “Country to Country” deal, signed by the gvmt and then handed to BAE. So if something naughty did happen, the gvmt will know all about it and likely be up to their necks in it.
Flight Lieutenant Victoria Anderton adds to Gordon Brown’s woes. See:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6857284.ece
thats a sign of Team Murdoch limbering up
I get the impression that there is little chance of a successful prosecution but it will take ages and cost a fortune to find that. I wonder if it is a cunning plan so that if the Conservative drop the case then Labour (in opposition) can keep their anti-defence industry supporters happy by making a fuss about it and blame the Conservatives?
The Government can make it last as they want to make it last.
If they want a quick settlement, they could have the cheque in their pension pot by midday tomorrow. Isn’t that what just happend with the very same AG ?
All of the time BAE are in this position, they will be limited to what contracts they are able to bid on and not just UK business, it is costing them.
Labour are after something not yet revealed and will leverage their position to the maximum until they get what they want, then the investigations will end and a fine will be paid.
BAE end up bunging another government, everyone wants their slice of the pie.
SFO was desperate to get a result of some kind after years of work. Thwarted by Bliar. Go to Gorgon and say look it’s either a billion for you or by the time it’s anywhere near a fookin’ court it’ll be Combover Dave that’ll have to fight it or flunk it. So tell us the downside Gorg?
Sounds very plausible except McDoom still has it on his desk and can’t decide; or maybe has decided but won’t tell us. In fact I think his last memo to the SFO was asking for clarification as to whether this was in truth a decision for one of the devolved assemblies.
Anyhow Mandlebum was walking by yesterday and said go for it.
It would be rather splendid if the SFO are allowed to do their job properly and independently.
Huge bonus if Princess Tony finally became ensnared
Is Hoon is in jeopardy ?
Oh Joy
In such a complicated case, how can the judgement of the Attorney General be trusted when she cannot follow her own simple laws on photocopying.
I am not trying to make a cheap shot at her, but surely her judgement is sometimes flawed, so if she cannot be trusted in the BAe case, then she MUST go.
In recent attorneys general it is possible to see the diffrence between trustworthiness and compliance.
they are all cronies, “all inclusive”, remember ?
By inclusive – they have included every single chancer and brown nose within the Labour movement.
Bollocks to merit and skills Labour’s leadership only ever wanted greedy, malleable dim wits to do the “facing the public” bit. These are the people who have been robbing the public purse blind as their reward for compliance. While the leadership (sic) worked to trash everything that they could.
None of these ministers can do the actual job, they just gorge massive on the status and perks.
BAe are upping the ante, trying to have their day in court in the hope the government will close any opening can of worms.
surely BAE have ALL of the pictures ?
No point in having skeletons in the cupboard if you can’t get them out and make them dance for money every now and then.
IF (I have to say that) they have paid “enablement fees” then it won’t only be as alleged, to Saudi Arabia, it will be to individuals as well.
The manouvers will be interesting to watch, BAE, whatever the allegations, are not the village hall tea shop, they are big players in a very mean game. Labour however, never get anything right even when the hold the best hand.
The attorney General may be of suspect character but a politician she is. Politicians in the current economic state of affairs will know taking £100′s of millions from BAE will equate to thousands of lost jobs. There will be no prosecution and no fine.
I think Baroness Scotland will make the right decision for the country
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by the way, has she got a new cleaner yet??
I think she has a woman in as we speak.
Well if I was BAE I would announce a review into the future of the Elswick works in Newcastle and one of the two ship yards on the Clyde. That will focus the governments mind.
You think that the deal might be : BAE pays for the 4th cancelled nuke sub by way of a fine, thus placating the Military a little ?
brilliant
lets destroy another industry
What about tax payer value ?
never going to happen
Try buying a carrier off the french
antwa, I refuse to pay tax
BP and Libyia; BAE and everyone – what does the behaviour of these out-of-control giants have on common?
Mandy.
*in common
Still Mandy.
I have to repay Gordon for his faith.
He wants the Thatcher / Bae angle firmly in the public domain.
Plus £1 billion quid.
Guilty as charged.
His bum boy Tony is up to his neck in it as well
I think that’s the point I realised she was now permanently flawed, when I was listening to the story on Today and they said “Baroness Scotland will have to decide…” any confidence in a balanced judicial decision ebbed away.
The AG has to stay in position, the deal was settled a while back and the AG already knows the result before the kick-off as it were.
Another Labour balls up.
IMHO
Here we go again pressing the self destruct button at the behest of our special friends across the Atlantic.
Just hand the jobs to China and Russia save the costs of prosecution, you will need the cash to pay the dole to thoseyou put out of work in the UK.
Just a thought…
If the SFO would care to investigate BAe paying bribes in return for work, I wonder if they also be interested in casting a learned eye over the BBC, quangos, charities and unions that receive taxpayer money and then spend it lobbying the Government for legislation and/or more money.
Curious about this one Guido. Labour decides to prosecute and maybe destroys a succesfull company. French will be pissing themselves laughing and fill the vacuum. Basically if you work in certain markets bribes are not just acceptable but expected whether we like it or not. For fucks sake lets start living in the real world, thats how it is.
Lets not fuck over anothe UK company just to allow the French or the Americans to reap the benefits or labour to create problems for their own vindictive ends.
I am sure the baroness will make the right decision – as she always does
And let’s forget all that pap about BAE being a successful UK company etc, etc.
Without UK taxpayer largesse it would be about as successful as Rover.
Whats the bets that the result will include something big for Scotland ?
and I don’t mean the Baroness
She has something big – her mouth, her nose and her arse.
Would the French Government prosecute Thales et al? No. I smell the EUSSR here.
Politics and arms-dealing are inextricably linked. I think BAE have played an ace here – they were about to pay a large fine to end the matter, but have decided that the current Government is too weak to follow through. Good for them. If it’s good for a banker, then it’s good for a manufacturer. Don’t tell me this sorry administration can argue that corruption in business is somehow worse than corruption in high office.
What the Baroness decides is irelevant, she is a dead duck walking
What with all the photocopying and endlessly protracted disclosure of documents that the legal teams will have to trudge through, this one could run and run, even before it ever gets to months of hearings in open(?) court.
I’m betting a tenner on a ‘confidential steps-of-courthouse settlement’.
What’s wrong with bribery in places where it’s an accepted & acceptable way of doing business?
If, without it, BAE would not have got the contracts, thus losing British jobs, how loudly the screams of “uncompetitive British industry; we are no longer world leaders in technology etc.” have been emitted from those now cynically demanding heads should roll?
Is New Labour a plot by EU moles to destroy every last vestige of British-owned industry?
Or a crude attempt to create a permanent leftie client state?
Or a Scottish fraud perpetrated on the English taxpayer?
Or is it just an economic Chernobyl in which boneheads who only vaguely understand how the thing works test it to destruction by mistake?
Never again can we allow ideological idiots with no experience in the real world to take charge of hundreds of billions of our hard-earned money. Brown and his henchpersons should face criminal charges for the destruction they have wreaked.
This whole thing was timed to distract from the disastrous Labour Conference, and Brown’s multiple woes, and to attempt to leave a time bomb for the incoming Tory government-just look at how the disgracefully craven BBC is bigging up the story, and pre-judging the outcome. I am sure that utterly discredited Baroness Scotland will make the announcement to prosecute to coincide with the opening of the Tory conference, or Cameron’s keynote speech.
I read through ALL the comments and geared myself up for making a comment but its all just monkey rants from misinformed, ignorant or just down right stupid posters.
Does anyone actually know how long a fraud investigation takes at SFO?
For a small *complex* fraud (btw they all have to be complex to justify SFO involvement) we’re talking about 5 yrs. For a large complex fraud 10 yrs +. In the now infamous Guinness case it started (for want of a better word some 12-15 yrs before it ever saw a court room). So the idea that these investigations are politically motivated are just simply untrue. How many DG’s of the SFO would running it at the time both beginning, during and after it was “court ready”.
Like I said, monkeys.
Admittedly, when a prosecution goes to the AG it becomes *political* for want of a better word but she is tightly constrained as to what he or she must consider (which is why the PM himself had to swoop in and claim ‘national security’ the last time around). In fact, the smarter ppl on this blog (if there were any) would realise that the argument posed last time by the PM (clear and present danger) cannot run this time meaning that the AG would more or less *have* to make the decision that any rational person knows he/she should make.
But then were traversing from the monkeys to the idiots.
Because on more than one occasion in a list of some 200+ odd comments, ppl have raised the ‘its just a way of doing business’ or ‘british jobs’ arguments.
On the first point, no its not just a way of doing business – many good businesses look at money paid out in bribes as waste, for two good reasons. One, it disguises the fact that your product is not competitive and two its money taken ‘out’ of the business to stop you from making the necessary improvements. So on commercial reasons alone there are good reasons why bribes are a bad idea. For executives chasing a quick bump in the share price or executive bonus for ‘increasing turnover’ they are manna from heaven. So in a rather great illustration of politics making for ‘strange bedfellows’ – some commenter’s are in fact arguing for stock bonuses and shares as remuneration, while in earlier posts having called for bankers to hang. Yes, you right there looking embarrassed behind your keyboard. Its the same thing!
On the British jobs issue, this is where the point above really has teeth – you see when executives lie about a business to take bigger salaries and inflate their share options and also pay bribes concealing uncompetitiveness a day of reckoning arrives where the shareholders realise that the paper they hold is phoey and even with the bribes the products are still uncompetitive. So, the jobs go anyway. Basically, you are only able to conceal a companies underlying weakness for a short time and then it all crashes down like a house of cards. And no, its no good pointing at Thale or McConnell Douglas and say they all do it because they don’t (at least not all the time).
Finally, looking into my crystal ball – the AG will do what she should – i.e. allow the prosecutions to begin. Whether they run to judgment is another question. A difficult question because so many fraud cases fall over. If the case does fall, no doubt *ball-gazers*, *conspiratorialists* will emerge trumpeting foul play, political interventions, etc and the world will continue to turn. If however, the difficult waters of litigation can be traversed we’ll find out how the corruption was perpetuated by both sides (red and blue) and they’ll be handed a mega fine.
I guess that you’re a lawyer. They seem to be the only people who waddle away from these marathon proceedings clutching huge sacks of cash. Just look at the Savile enquiry scandal!
I don’t think he’s a lawyer. I know standards have dropped, but lawyers are much more literate than that, even today. He’s got to be someone really stupid posting from inside the bunker. The BAE prosecution is all because the lovely duo Peter and Gordon know they’ve lost it so they’re going for “scorched earth”.
Wrong on both counts I’m afraid, yes I’m a lawyer and no, I am not inside the bunker. Apologies for the literacy faux pas, but this was my first attempt at writing monkey, but seeing as you managed to understand and reply – I guess we’ll call it a moderate success. It may reassure you to think that the legal system in England and Wales is as bent as a £1 note – but those working within it (or who have moderate experience – working in government – know how wacky you conspiratorialists really are). I would write more but then I think I reached the limits of my newly learned monkey vocabulary, however I will sign off with a reminder for you to remember to wear your tin foil hat and water the plants in your bunker!
Guido, please supply the postcode for Baroness Scotland to Bae. I’m sure that a smart bomb could safely be delivered thereby getting rid of yet another socialist maggot.
How odd that the deals in which the Governement takes an active relationship with the customer (e.g. the AY programme) result in a “call the dogs off” from No 10, but the private deals between a company and customer result in a recommendation of prosecution?