“Thatcher!”
Ben Bradshaw gets a small cheer from the hall for attacking Thatcher. Two decades after she left office…
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Lord Lamont told ITV News…
“I think the PM is just human and Ed Balls is a pretty irritating person”
Clutching at straws!
That’s our Maggie. Labour still shit Bricks at the very mention of her name. Bloody shame Call Me Dave does not have thge same effect on them.
Ah yes, the same Ben Bradshaw that was wheeled out by al-JaBeeba to deny Conservative suggestions of institutional bias at the BBC, without either him or the BBC mentioning that Ben is, himself, er, ex-BBC! Full disclosure? We know how to spell it! Trebles on the tellytaxpayer all round!
Freud would have a field day with Labour activists and supporters. They’re all repressed fucktards on some spectrum or another. Tossers.
I was a fraud too.
Your grandson was funnier
well, weirder
I only remember him for the dog food ads.
Emma was cute in cuddly chimp sorta way
I once told Clement (at the Playboy club) that it was no wonder the food tasted like Dog Food with him in charge and was instantly banned. When I went back the next day, I was admitted and even the manager said “Good job you did on Freud yesterday”
Seems he was always banning people and the management quietly ignored him.
Ampers
Narcisism, Envy & Projection. The three symptoms of the mental illness more commonly known as socialism.
You don’t say (again).
The sound of a thousand corrupt, creaking, stinking, red, socialist, rotten barrels being scraped by desperate scum who will have no financial future after May 6th 2010
Tribalist liebour voters and apparatchiks may have a deep rooted hatred of Thatcher, but that’s nothing compared with a new generation of voters with nu liebour – check out this – nu liebour are the new bogeymen for generations!
It’s not about making them shit bricks. It’s the opposite of that. They feel comfortable. Milk Snatcher, Falklands war, boom and bust, selling off the family silver. If you are a party drone it is much easier to hate them for doing that rather than the hoon standing in front of you. They are more deserving of our pity than our scorn. But then so does any party drone. Poor saps.
It’s just like an ‘alternative’ comedian in the 1980s. It mattered not how crap they were, all they had to do was bound on ot the stage, shout: “Thatcher! Doncha just ‘ate ‘er?” for the audience to convulse with laughter.
Bradshaw, old chap, try joining us in the present. Stop living in the past.
He’s ex-BBC. It’s in his genes.
Clutching at Jack Straws
That’s just revolting
Jack’s kinda sweet, actually
At Straw’s what?
Willy.
will he what?
or wont’s he?
Where’s Tony? He seems to be the only one missing from the conference (other than Baroness scotland). Perhaps he does not want to be associated wirh all the Labour failures stumbling around Brighton begging for TV interviews.
St. Tone is grubbing around for another spare million and a bigger and brighter halo.
Last I heard he was in Canada letting mug punters pose for a photo with him @ £180 a snap.
The only snap I would pay £180 for is his neck.
The war criminal deserves to hang more than Saddam did.
Fuck him and fuck Labour for supporting him.
bit negative?
What is it with the inhabitants of the North American continent giving our much revered leaders gongs for being the bestest at err stuff. Well I suppose if you are comparing anyone to dubya…
Blair still has a few small finishing touches to give to the Pax Antonina in the Middle east.
Godhelpus (and them). Does he really think a Palestinian, or anyone else is going to take him seriously? He’s buggered em up good a proper as PM.
Can’t spend too much time in U.K. Have to think of tax situation.
Pity about your Mental commenters – like this effer:
Post Mental said –
“The only snap I would pay £180 for is his neck.
The war criminal deserves to hang more than Saddam did.”
No-one is ANY kind of criminal until proved so in a court of law. And no-one hangs in Britain. Wish they did – I’d have a few suggstions.
Stop your puerile, right-wing press inspired rants on hanging Blair and go see your doctor.
http://keeptonyblairforpm.wordpress.com/all-links-to-the-trial-of-tony-blair-posts/
I’ll bet that he blamed Thatcher for Labours’ failure to achieve anything despite over 12 years of government. Our incompetence is all the fault of the previous Conservative government!
I can’t be bothered to listen to his speech as I’ve got better things to do. There must be some paint drying somewhere …
Headlines in PR WEEK
“Douglas Alexander reveals key planks of Labour election strategy”
http://www.prweek.com/uk/news/941633/Douglas-Alexander-reveals-key-planks-Labour-election-strategy/
Did they really mean to write that? Sounds about right though.
Hahaha! Like it.
OUT OUT OUT OUT!!!!
Going down going down going……..DOWN!!!!
P45s all around
Power slipping through their fingers
1997-2010 The TRAITOR years, when a hateful commie mob allowed millions to invade the country from the 3rd world and handed away sovereign powers to an overseas parliament.
False teeth, hair dye, spray tan – Top selling product in Brighton Boots this week.
Yesterdays men
“ALL POLITICIANS END IN FAILURE” – The great Enoch Powell
SCUM SCUM SCUM
hehe
Not that sly, ignorant MOONFACE will be much better. They’re all part of the LIBLABCON who take their orders from their leaders aboard yachts in Corfu.
Give the lad a break he just noticed it!
fuck sake how childish
small cheer for a small queer
Straight lie from the queer guy, even.
Lady Thatcher is twice the man Bradshaw would like to be.
It started with Thatcher.
It started in America, didn’t it?
The trubble all started in Grantham.
Wilson, Heath, Callaghan, Thatcher, Major, Blair, Brown and soon Cameron; there’s your problem. Every last single one of these traitors are responsible for the erosion of the nation’s sovereignty and the destruction of the people’s freedoms. They have been so successful in their NWO plans that half the nation don’t even care enough to protest on polling day, and a quarter are firm supporters of the mad, marxist wet dream. That leaves about 25% of the population who are opposed to this nonsense, the same 25% who pay for it. Their vote is split between half a dozen parties, including those that they promised they would never vote for again……’but that was a long time ago and now they’ve changed..etc’. When the betrayal is finally complete, in the not too distant future, most of this 25% will be dead as most of them are already getting on in years, abandoned by the NHS, euthanised, taxed into oblivion, dispossessed of their property and inheritance, their children brainwashed into thinking we are entering a bright, new future, when reality is the exact opposite. I fear it is too late, I fear that, although there is dignity in resistance, it is ultimately futile. Resist I will regardless.
They have run out of things to say. A Lame Duck Governing Party…
“Foot!”
“Heel!”
“Toenails! “
Corns & Bunnions, Solicitors.
They’ll attack Disraeli if they think they’ll get a min-ripple of applause.
Link it to the State of Isreal and they will.
That’s how the other Bennie, Ben Elton, kicked off his career. Thatcher!
Exactly – He’ll be reciting Riks poem next.
What do you think your doing, Pig?
Do you really give a fig, Pig? etc.
Fuck me, I had forgotten how much I hated Ben Elton until I saw his name again.
double seat double seat got to get a double seat
Just for you Anon.
Mister Powitical Cowwectness advocating the use of (CO2 producing) coal fired power stations. Anyway he’s fucked off with his millions to Australia while we await the energy blackouts since the new nuclear power stations will not be built in time.
Has he? I heard he was looking over a house in the next village some years ago… you know, the sort of thing these lefties require — Aga, 8 beds, 4 bathrooms, dovecot (listed), 6 acres on the market for £900k.
Anyone else wish it was a video of Beltons’ head exploding Scanners style?
Wonder if all Tony’s Cool Britannia m8s will be pitching up to demonstrate their unswerving support for New Labour.
Liam Gallagher
Patsy Kensit
Alexander McQueen
Damien Hirst
Graham Coxon
Editorial staff of Loaded
+ many more money grabbing tossers.
Fuckers the lot of ‘em.
They’ve all got first class tickets to the Ceauşescu memorial wall, when the time comes.
Yeah, bet the Hunts would love to give half their dosh to the government eh? In fact why don’t they volunteer 90 percent to save the workers and get rid of the Fatcher government!
Nah, they have all bought mansions in Dorset near Billy Bragg ( red wedge labour luvvie man of the people) has his.
She is a better man than Bradshaw.
FFS
Labour have never got over the fact that two decades after the Iron Lady left office that they still have not had a woman leader – not even close.
Labour are still not progressive enough in their thinking to have a woman leader – & they know it, hence their perpetual hostility to Lady Thatcher.
Be careful what you wish for – Harperson is only a psychiatrist’s opinion away from being Prime Minister.
Haha Quality sentence my friend.
Imagine the tick tock of the grand clock on the mantelpiece. Brown sprawled out on the Downing Street Sofa.
The quack nods and the staff leave the room.
I’m sorry Prime Minister but this cannot go on. Now if you could please just put your arms into this jacket. Now the sleeves might feel a bit twisted but don’t worry we’ll sort them out when we get to the hospital.
Harperdaughter is a wimmin though
an excellent point fred.
but let us not forget, it was not a silly old queen like ben bradshaw who chased thatcher out of office, it was her own party.
her assassination at the hands of the tory turncoats was largely due to the fact that she got through over 100 ministers during her time in power. she was too powerful.
thatcher had more balls than the current leaders of the other parties put together.
cameron, brown and the two nicks are castratis compared with thatcher.
say what you like about thatcher but she had big pair of hairy bollocks and she knew how to turn a question on the questioner and how to hold a position.
totally wrong on energy policy and her destruction of working communities was unforgivable but hey, no-one’s perfect, eh?
cameron will do the damage to the country but with no upside apart from for him and his millionaire friends.
no popular support, that’s the tories’ problem. they would get popular support if they guaranteed a referendum on the EU which they have so far failed to do.
a political party that avoids popular support?
very odd and very dodgy innit.
dave is dodgy and has a hidden agenda.
he just can’t be trusted.
That Thatcher (the one with the balls,) he was a bully, sir.
Well they have Lady Mandelscum that is close
Which politician do you think smells the most and what kind of smell – sweaty arse for example. That beardy weirdy one who sits near Nick Clegg looks like he might pong a bit.
mmm saucy, got his number?
Prescott, I suppose, if he still counts. Sweat, Lynx aftershave and pickled-cabbage farts now with added soy sauce.
Probably Robin Cook.
Mind you, in fifty years time our descendents will probably have just cause to attack Brown at “Conference” for the legacy of debt and destruction he left behind.
He’s trying to remind people that things will be better under a Labour government. So, ignoring the mismanagement of the past 12 years, it’s much better to go back 20 years and berate the Government of the day.
Clutching at straws. It’s all they have left.
Labour only ever had one great Leader who the Tories could not equal, so they go and chuck him out and replace him with Brown who like all the rest of the Labour leaders is a thing of ridicule.
Are you saying Bliar was a great leader?
Boy, you really are deluded.
Yes he was a great leader. This has nothing to do with agreeing with his policies or deeds.
Bloody hell!
Blair was a statesman in the Thatcher Mould. Weather you agreed with him or not he was a strong leader.
Empty black cab pulls up outside 10 downing street.
Gordon Brown along with 4 red suitcases full of Prozac gets out……
What you can say about Blair is that he kept Brown out for 10 years.
Think of him as door stop.
Yeah great leader: over the top boys, oh you go first !
Great leader forsooth ! Tony Blair was a 15 year old boy trapped in the body of a 50 year old man . He was just too, to be blunt. immature, to be an effective leader of anything–even in his own household.
Yes, Bliar, the “great leader” who lied to Parliament about WMD to totally cock up the middle east and cause the entire world about 500 years of misery, and was at the same time the poodle of dubya, and advised him as he fed him pretzels. And that is just one tragedy.
And yet! he still has pretentions of a world prescence as a kind of Clinton like roving diplomat.
Great leader? To be remembered like Attilla.
He was great to the extent that he was a much more accomplished liar than Brown.
Blair was a great impressionist who could do the part of a Leader with skill. He couldn’t actually do anything except schmooze people.
He was not a great leader at all. great leaders do not need to lie to convince people to follow them. They lead through truth, example and courage. Blair possessed then and posses now, none of these qualities
I think it is fair to say that Mrs. T had, like them or not, well defined principles.
I think it is also fair to say that Tone Bliar, had none.
10.32 am and you are totally stoned out of your mind.
go easy on the superskunk numbnuts, blair is a war criminal.
he should be hanged.
correct
We don’t hang anyone in this country or continent, even when they’re REAL criminals.
Where do you reside, tat? Iran?
Grow up.
Blair is an unmatchable political leader.
And he has only just started.
Anti-social behaviour! Anti-social behaviour! The sky is falling in! Hit him with an ASBO! Hit him with an ASBO!
Yob+ASBO=Respect.
Yob+Fucking good hiding=Justice.
Indeed, the faux apologies and hand wringing over the suicide of the single mother and her handicapped daughter is repulsive, grotesque theatre. If the cops and social services had have done their jobs this would have been dealt with. primarily by the cops being cops and going in and dealing with the vermin who harassed these women for years when it needed dealing with. But no, lots of keeping logs, doing paperwork, assessing this, monitoring that – all with the sole purpose of avoiding actually doing any proper work to resolve the problem. How very New Labour and thus how very modern Britain. then when the deed is done, hold yet another fake inquiry, find no one in particular responsible, bury it in the group collective responsibility, feign regret hold a press conference at which a suitably abject and fake apology is issued, announce a few new ‘guidelines’, invent yet more paperwork and appoint a few more state employees in taxpayer funded non-jobs. Do anything but actually deal with the problem.
It makes one wonder what New Labour and its political managerial classes, characterized by for example the Sharon Shoesmith’s of this world would have done back in 1940 had they been dealing with the threat of invasion. Just a thought.
Don’t you think they’d have loved the opportunities to meddle that national socialism would bring them?
Socialism doesn’t change its spots.The Labour manifesto of 1935 aimed to disband the R.A.F.and the party voted for it in 1937.
maggie maggie maggie maggie maggie maggie
Humphy’s been a dead a while now dear.
Gordon turns to crime, the fkg criminally insane wanker.
Anyone read the front page of the Evening Standard today, terrible story of broken Britain, gang of two Black and one Asian men break into a house and Orally rape a 7 month 33 year old pregnant women.
Direct link to illegal immigration and the Labour party’s utter failure in power.
I wonder if anyone at conference would heckle the Hunt or can we rely on Bolton and Brillo to take Johnson to task.
The comments on the conference have all been pretty harsh. But they deserve it.
Brown will probably, sort of maybe debate on TV, Scottish Labour fakes U turn, ‘Hoodies’ employed to go through your rubbish, Mrs Balls makes personal attack on David Cameron, EU arrogant in Eire, Labour conference ripped to shreds and so it goes…
Came in this morning to one of our sites covered in grafitti, clearly some hapless sap’s attempt at “art” which will cost a fortune to erase (listed building). Since 8.30am and various calls to council, police etc lots of sympathy but no (promised) attendance yet. They need to photograph the cnut’s signature before we repair it.
Do you think someone will attend before McDoom finishes his speech?
Who will get the bill? Despite the clear “signatures” on all this shite what are the chances of a conviction, McDoom? And what would the result be if they got him?
I know what the result would be if I got him.
Smash the criminal’s head in and bury him under the listed building – nice and easy – it’s called justice.
The only reason the scum did it was because he knew he would get away with it – same way that I don’t stand in the 3rd lane of the motorway or touch a live electrical wire – I know I would be dead.
So this is all about dealing with the scum and hitting them hard,physically – no rights for them,just sheer pain.
Within a few months,crime rates would be falling even quicker than Brown’s opinion poll ratings.
I think we should revive the Victorian idea of hard labour. If they’re too dangerous to be let out to do anything useful, install a treadmill and let them power the prison every day, all day, for as long as their sentence lasts.
Weren’t me guv – I sold out long ago.
We see Brown’s tag all over the UK. Political and economic grafitti.
You know who to vote for.
It’s all the fault of:
Thatcher
Americans (not Obama)
Bankers (eeevil)
Tories
EU-phobics
Toffs
Counter revolutionaries
etc.
“Nothing to do with us guv!”
And the extreme right-wing press.
According to ZaNuLab, anyone who does not believe BBC / Pravda propaganda is fact, does not have 100% politically correct thoughts, or does not roam the streets with the AFL looking to punch people in the face, is de facto, an extreme right wing, neothought terrorist.
can some arty person do a poster with ‘toffs’ written at the top and a picture of all the labour peers – inc. gorbal mick pictured underneath?
“Troughs”, more like…
Like it, the Tories are Toffs with troughs, labour are Turds with troughs
Oh dear,
The Lady still puts the fear of God into them.
So much so that when Harriet recently spent hundreds of thousands of pounds of taxpayers money on a pamphlet entitled “10 Strong Woman in British Politics” she completely omitted Lady Thatcher – the greatest achieving woman in our nations political history.
Lady Thatcher was a true Prime Minister – not like this unmandated pill popping control freak & his lickspittle Jock Junta masquerading as a Cabinet.
well.
Poor old Harriet will be forgotten immediately. Most kids these days will not have a clue who she is (to be fair under Labours education they will not know how to read and write). Those who do know who she is will eradicate her from their minds asap and if anyone does remember her it will be as the useless waste of space who did all she could to destroy the family.
In her own mind, Harman believes she can be the first female PM. It’s nuts but I suspect that is the way she thinks.
This is why Mrs T is either air-brushed from history or accused of not being a ‘proper’ woman because she adopted so-call masculine tactics.
The left really cannot compute that in fact the Conservatives are much more progressive than them.
Harriet is very much like Margaret Thatcher in one respect – she has inspired millions to vote Tory.
Did she remember the Queen?
She is after all ONLY the head of State.
In the year 2029 will politicians be shouting “Brown!!”………??
In 2029 we’ll still be paying Gordon’s debt obviously, but personally I want to forget the arrogant, devious fat shit as soon as possible.
I personally would like to see Brown’s name erased from history, like the bad Pharaohs were.
Better to use him as the new bogey man to frighten kids with
Ben Bradshaw = Sad Bastard
No it isn’t. Now if you’d said Bar Wash Bend, we wouldn’t be after you.
Take him down!
Pathetic.
How that bunch of middle aged, dim witted, overweight morons think that they have a clue about what is going on is beyond me.
They are a bunch of professional clappers – if Brown got up today and farted the national anthem that bunch of idiots would still give him a standing ovation.
It would be more entertaining than his speech.
I would like to see that today.
and put a flame next to him and BANG the whole lot will be flying over the Channel faster than an Easyjet
quite slow then?
Listened to some of them at conference until I started to feel sick.
All the buggers must be on pills given the absolute crap they were spewing out.
right i can think of 1 and a half good labour policys ( min wage and 10p tax) , what the fuck have they done with the rest of 12 years ?
The minimum wage wasn’t adopted by the Baroness, who preferred to pay her cleaner less than that.
The law is for the little people to observe, the elite have no fear of the law, they are immune from it. Just as it has always been in socialist “havens of freedom”.
going mental, what have they done with their time in office?
mainly war, occupation and torturing.
and thats just the brits dont forget Iraq and afghanistan
quite so, they did try to introduce internment on the British mainland, didin’t they?
that was one of brown’s ideas as well.
gordon brown is a fascist when you think about it.
The minimum wage is in reality a barrier to employment.
It’s the government saying you have to be unemployed if you have low productivity.
They’re having a whip-round for Nelson Mandela and the Nicaraguans next.
Peter Hain’s just been spotted pouring weed-killer all over the pitch at Lords…
I see the Neo Labour Terrorism Act has taken care of all dissent from the floor of their conference this year.
No pensioners to slap down & DNA test – compliance & obedience in Brighton.
Some silly ZNL woman on now saying “we forget that what we inherited from the tories was a huge homelessness problem, people in negative equity and sink estates where no one wanted to live”. And her point was?
“Homelessness” is a real baffling one, I think the stats suggest less than 2000 truly homeless at any given time and that doesn’t change for obvious reasons.
Since the UK (and mainly gummint) sits on one million empty homes currently that’s easily solved by the socialists. Maybe give the “homeless” a portfolio or something?
They didn’t inherit any debt, though, did they. Very convenient to omit that one.
Empty homes should be offered to young employed couples who are on the housing list. Their rent could be deferred for, say, 2 years, while they do the place up.
The tenants would end up with a home they had fitted out to their taste, and the council would get their repairs done, at little cost to the taxpayer. It might even improve the surrounding areas as well.
Simples.
Lot’s of (non-ZaNuLabour) thinking around this going on now, Shelling-Out. Trouble with the “housing (non-existent) crisis” is too many vested interests and nil joined up thinking. How “green” and “sustainable” is it to pour more concrete over green fields to create McDoom Ego Towns? Etc. I’m too fooking frazzled to go on. But I will later.
House affordability is house-supply/credit-supply.
Need to up HS and lower CS.
I can think of where we’d start with 646 second homes to begin your project with
Oh and don’t forget that the terminally incompetent Prescott’s Pathfinder Scheme was designed to knock down cheap housing in order to stimulate more demand. For fooks, fooking sake!
“incompentant Prescott”
Incontinent Prezza surely?
Bloody Hell! I’d forgotten about that ridiculous scheme!
That really has to be the most mind bogglingly pointless programme ever to come out of the ZNL “let’s waste money” machine.
Come to think of it, what have these Hunts done over the last three terms except waste money and lives?
I’ve never watched conference before, it all seems so childish, all these party workers back slapping and clapping anything and anyone. So many unwased in one place, surely unhealthy. The deserted promenade in Brighton, the empty seats, the continual use of the word comrade, it’s the Parteh pantomine.
Will manchester be any different
not so much sea
fewer poof’s?
Oooh you are naughty.
Ben Who?
Beckett on Newsnight said it had taken 10 years to get over the wasteland the Tories left and their infrastructure investment was only just starting to bear fruit!
Delusional
Hahahahahaahahahahaha
They’ve told some lies, but this one’s a whopper.
This is telling me we have been shafted by one or other for the last 30 years plus, and it’s beginning to hurt a bit.
There are no Americans in Baghdad.
Taught Beckett everything she knows about reality.
that caravanning pikey bitch has always been full of shit.
Wow…spirit of 79 lives, man.
’68 Dude.
Not for that crazy Bradshaw cat, man
GDP figs out confirm Q1 2009 was 2.5% not 1.9%
Annualised 10% fall…
No more boom and bust eh Gordo?
AlJaBeeba are spinning it as good (as in “could ‘ve been much worse, Guv”) news…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8280043.stm
AlJaBeebya claims the opposite.
In Wales the people have never, and will never forgive Thatcher for closing those mines. Most of the wooden headed haven’t noticed that new labour haven’t reopened them, and wouldn’t want their kids and grandkids to work in such conditions even if they did. Sad to say, but reality, most vote labour because “my dad always did” and wont ever think it through.
It is not going to change for a long long time, folk like that would prefer to live under commisar Arthur, than recognise what she did for the country.
Commisar Arthur lived in comparitive luxury, compared to the miners whom he was supposed to represent.
Nothing changes, does it.
that’ll be due to the MI5 money he was on
The roubles.
He certainly did and according to my sources, was an unprincipled sexual predator to boot..no skirt at NUM HQ was safe…
Same in parts of the North West. You could pin a red rosette on a donkey and it would win o some of the estates up here.. Mind you, the Donkey would probably make a better Labour MP, at lease it’s shit falls out of the back.
Substitute sheep for donkeys in valleys here.
Tha’s a bit rude, me boy – we’ll shag anythin, you see…
Rob Brydon said if it’s tied to a lamp post it’s a community facility (can’t do the accent, look you).
What about all the mines that Tony Benn closed? Wilson’s Secretary of State for Trade and Industry closed far more pits than Maggie did but you don’t hear much about that for some strange reason.
And he gave the working class Concord to fly on
Comrade Tony Benn closed more pits than anyone else.
Anthony Wedgwood Ben is a shining example of how the labour party got rid of succession in power for the priviledged classes, er no that can’t be right.
It can be right if you say it long enough and loud enough.
It started with Brown
No, it started with a kiss.
Never thought it would come to this.
what about the pic broon an mrs T at 10 downing st
That’s long forgotten. Nice to your face while knifing you in the back
Let’s face it though she was an evil bag.
No, she had an evil handbag.
Commisar Arthur might agree with you, he surely got shafted!
Shafted ha ha….the old 80s puns about the miners being shafted, always a winner.
I know that no-one will believe it, but I really didn’t intend that pun. I’m amazed at my stupidity.
She may have been, but she wasn’t a ditherer. At least she had the courage of her convictions. – and she didn’t draw a salary all the time she was PM either. Haven’t seen any evidence of the former, or the latter from Tone, or Gordon.
Possibly.
But, to paraphrase (The Duke of Wellington?), she was/is ‘our’ (the country’s) evil bag, and I seldom had much doubt she was usually fighting for it (and winning often), as opposed to fighting every sorry minute to just to salvage a sorry career at the country’s expense.
I didn’t have to like her to respect her.
And that’s what leadership is. Something ALL the rest, from every party, could do well to remember. It’s not blooming ‘Strictly Come Govern’!!!
If I was in a trench looking at mustard gas rolling towards me, and General Gordon and his GOAT herd cried ‘follow us’ lads and started legging it to Dunkirk, I would currently be pondering ‘it’s only chlorine, what’s the worst that could happen?’
I do believe that Mr. Brown is making a speech today that will focus on cowards and bullies and all the measures they will be taking to protect those they pick on… that oddly seem to have passed the party by so far whilst in power… for the last 12 years.
Sadly missing the irony of the news about their enforcement arm’s abilities of late in this regard… overseen and/or hampered by their obsessive meddling.
Or the further irony of Mr. Bradshaw’s populist (if to a limited audience) rallying cry.
ps: Did Mr. Maguire nudge Mr. White awake to applaud it?
They were far too busy putting in their expense accounts to bother with trivialities like that.
Troughing takes time, you know.
I saved the world.
Bob fed the world.
WHO IS THE BIGGEST BULLY, THE BIGGEST COWARD????????????
who throws nokias?
we throw nokias!
No – you wear short shorts
What a queer thing for the lad to do. Is his seat in danger?
Hate speech!
Right, that’s it, you’ve been added to the list.
This is part of mandy’s crafted plan for fighting the election. Obviously today is ‘rubbish the tory inheritance that labour took over 12 years ago’ day.
They all seem to be nicely on message don’t they.? Even Polly Twaddle in today’s column is saying the same thing.
Apparently labourites all have to focus on exactly the same thought at the same time oh and be told precisely which words and phrases to use. I’m told they receive their written instructions on what to say to anyone who will listen first thing each morning.
There’s something rather worrying about that mentality isn’t there? Doesn’t it suggest brain washing?
Wonder what the ‘on message’ will be tomorrow?
The Tories left a terrible mess and we are only just getting over it.
They didn’t leave £1.3Tn worth of mess though.. Don’t forget, it wasn’t the banks that caused the mess, it was the regulators who let them. The responsibility for financial regulation lies with the minister in charge of the economy. Who was that for the past 10 years?
Yes, you turn round for 8 years and those naughty boys! What are they like.
He didn’t let them, he forced them, because credit inflation made loads of money for a greedy consumption taxing state.
A policeman does not cause a thief to rob a thief robs.
A regulator does not cause a bank to be reckless, bonuses cause banks to be reckless.
There are no mechanisms in place or proposed by Labour or the Conservitudes to stop banks being reckless.
This is fact, unless you can point to any Conservitude proposals to the contrary.
Look at Barclays dumping their billions in toxic securities in a Cayman islands arms length subsidiary, transferring 45 senior bankers to it and paying them 400 million to ‘manage’ the sludge.
What was it John Redwood’s report on the financial industry said in summer 2007?
oh yes!
“Deregulate the mortgage market” —– classic
Currently Labour is in Government, (or so they tell us) and what is happening NOW is their responsibility and nobody else’s.
The Banks are still at it as you correctly point out, and that is the present Government’s responsibility too.
Banks weren’t reckless, the regulator was. The regulator decided to create far too much credit (and thus extra consumption to tax) by making reserves far too low.
When you’re regulating bank reserves, you’re not really regulating banks you’re regulating the currency (of which the government holds a monopoly).
Put simply. The regulator decides on the volume of credit*, banks allocate it.
* Too much credit is the problem.
The regulator has not forced Barclays to park their rubbish in the Caymans, transfer 45 senior bankers to the ‘subsidiary’ so created and pay them 400 million to ‘manage’ it. Barclays are doing that all on their own.
Neither Labour or the Conservitudes have proposals to regulate the banks becasue the banks are an over powerful oligopoly.
They believe in capitalising the profits and socialising the losses.
Then the bank robbers have sad shills to bleat mumbo jumbo free market tosh to gullible wannabe capitalists that are in fact Sky TV watching drones.
Back again? Your assertions as usual leave out the salient points. Why is that I wonder? I and others on here are not willing to act as your unpaid researchers,so kindly do your own in future. However,as an act of charity I will assist you:
‘A regulator does not cause a bank to be reckless, bonuses cause banks to be reckless’
Policies caused banks to be reckless within the regulatory framework. Who set that framework? Who grabbed the tax take from these obscene bonus payments without question?
‘This is fact, unless you can point to any Conservitude proposals to the contrary’
There is a lot of information out there -get off your rear end and look for it.
‘Look at Barclays dumping their billions in toxic securities in a Cayman islands arms length subsidiary, transferring 45 senior bankers to it and paying them 400 million to ‘manage’ the sludge’
Who is regulating the industry at present?
‘Deregulate the mortgage market’
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but much has changed since that was written. However,who did take mortgage payments out of the RPI/CPI calculation and create a free for all in the housing market?
I note also your recycled comments about %GDP. Firstly could we include all the debts,including bank bail out and PFI costs before gloating?
Secondly, let us examine GDP. I quote:
‘The provisional UK GDP figures for Q2 are shockingly bad and firmly dash any hopes that the UK had already pulled out of recession. The 0.8% quarterly drop was far worse than the consensus forecast of a 0.3% fall and suggests that the drop in GDP this year as a whole could be as sharp as 4.5%’ (July 09)
Therefore falling GDP combined with growing debt and interest (add 31 billion to the debt) is a toxic mix.
I suggest you swallow,or make a more convincing argument,or preferably go away.
Put in fewer words, be suck sinked, now swallow.
The banks did not run up unsustainable government debt – Culpability Brown did.
You should check that assertion with the IMF, UK has the lowest % debt to GDP out of US, France, Germany, Italy, Canada and Japan.
UK has the lowest % debt to GDP.
UK has the lowest debt, the lowest % debt to GDP.
Now swallow, fool!
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2008/02/weodata/weorept.aspx?sy=2004&ey=2009&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=0&pr1.x=59&pr1.y=16&c=193%2C542%2C122%2C137%2C124%2C181%2C156%2C138%2C423%2C196%2C128%2C142%2C172%2C182%2C132%2C576%2C134%2C961%2C174%2C184%2C532%2C144%2C176%2C146%2C178%2C528%2C436%2C112%2C136%2C111%2C158&s=GGD_NGDP&grp=0&a=#download
http://www.dmo.gov.uk/reportView.aspx?rptCode=D5C&rptName=50178870&reportpage=Gilts/Net_Issuance_Data/D5C.
Net debt to GDP 36.3% 2007-2008
43.0% 2008-2009
55.5% 2009-2010
The rate of increase is accelerating.
These are Debt Management Office figures.
Don’t worry, Labour’s on track to catch up with Japan.
So in other words despite the fiercest financial combined typhoon, earthquake and tsunami in 100 years, Labour have kept UK debt as a % of GDP lower than US, Canada, Germany, France, Italy and Japan.
Good point.
You also have to bear in mind the proportion of GDP consisting of Government activity.
What matters is the proportion of debt to the productive part of the economy.
Remove public spending from the GDP figures of the various countries, then compare the percentages.
If Labour was “holding down” the proportion of debt to GDP, we wouldn’t be seeing an almost exponential increase, would we?
No more boom just bust ?
Yes, our Gordon was famously the man who ended all that – (now we just have bust)
More of a leg man myself.
This is good old fashioned Bolshevism.
“Doesn’t it suggest brain washing?”
That kind of suggests that they have brains doesn’t it?
We do not brainwash them!
Clearly not – they just have to learn their script.
So what exactly have Mandy and little ben in common?
Sad losers.
Thatcher was necessary, as anyone alive and rational enough to know will attest. She was confronted with enormous challenges and, despite some errors, achieved the foundations of prosperity after years of fudge, muddle and absolute political and economic decline under Labour.
The legacy by 1997 was the best set of figures and prospects for all Britons since before the War.
Labour effectively blew it all by espousing a social and economic model based on bread and circuses for the indigent and relying on financial innovation to provide money streams for the social engineering to create a client electorate.
Fools.
If it wasn’t for Maggie we’d all be speaking Russian and goosestepping each morning in front of Generalissimo Scargill’s portrait.
some of us do, comrade
and mags served the public not the other way round
Can I have a pint of what you’re on?
buy ya fucking own
There are some who say she just got lucky with the tax from North Sea Oil – which only started to come in in 1979…
The odd war didn’t hurt – and they all wore different uniforms to us too, then and fought like proper soldiers. Lucky cow.
No, the revenues from North Sea Oil came on stream long before that but the problem was they took the oil from the North Sea and just poured it all down the pits.
Thatcher and Raygun – fucked the world up the arse; Warmongers that set the course of fiat money, de-industrialisation and western economies becoming a house of cards.
Hate Labour, but in what way was Thatcher positive?
she protected the national interest against the EU.
We are in the EU, last time I checked…
interesting comment in that you accept the premise that the EU is not in Britain’s national interest.
thanks for the support retard.
democracy is all about winning the debate innit.
Did I say that? There has been no significant change in our position in the EU since Thatcher’s rebate negotiations – so it matters not one fucking iota. Be as well to grandstand her inventing whippy ice cream – that had more significant impact.
Retard? Its all relative innit?
yes it is and you are more retarded than most.
pro EU and pro war and torture, you really are a corrupt and criminally c’unt aren’t you.
a traitor like you will be lucky to avoid being dragged to the gable end of a council house and shot in the back of the head.
and your lack of argument of the benefits of being in the EU are duly noted.
difficult case to make as there are no net gains to membership.
’tis best to leave the corrupt and anti-democratic EU.
we managed to get by without the olive pickers, I think we will survive.
we would actually be far better of financially without the european beggars knocking on our door demanding money for nothing all the time.
and if they wish to blackmail us trade wise we will sell our goods to other regions.
That would be tough, us having no goods to export wouldn’t it?
They pick olives in Belgium?
Would welcome you in my village, although I suspect the gable end gun thing would be in your direction.
reader please note: having bashed the new labour skull in it is now wandering around the thread in a daze and talking gibberish.
the flow of the blood gushing from its cranium will soon diminish and the troll will then drop dead.
but first, due to the brain damage I have caused it will jabber on and make an arse of itself.
please do not be alarmed dear reader, all of this is perfectly normal and to be expected.
One last thing – it appears you have dropped a w in your name…
…..and she got us a very large rebate……which over the years, Tony gave right back to them – and more.
Utter shite. Thatcher and Reagan brought about the freedom of millions of east europeans and made the world a lot safer place.
Don’t feel much safer to me, does it you? And how exactly did Thatcher take the wall down?
you moron! if you do not feel safe you have only the labour party to blame.
they have, after all, been responsible for protecting the population from crime for the last twelve years.
you are arguing against yourself you idiot!
No I am arguing against the fact that Thatcher, hung out to dry by her own party, left three lasting legacies:
1. Whippy Ice Cream
2. Making it much harder for any woman to ever become a prime minister
3. De-industrialisation
Oh wait a minute she did all that, didn’t she?
you’re just an idiot.
piss off you cretin.
How can I refuse, you with such a compelling debating technique an’ all that.
the debate has been and gone and you have resoundingly lost.
try to keep up next time dimwit.
“Been and gone” a perfect summary. Bit like Thatcher.
bit like brown.
gordon. Here today, gone tomorrow.
Thatcher fucked the bully boy unions. That’ll do me champion (as we working class chappies say oop North)
Whats all this about whippy ice cream? I thought that was douglas hurd.
Warmonger. Thatcher. British territory invaded by Fascist junta (Galtieri) responsible for the ‘disappeared’ (read Socialists) in their thousands in 70′s and 80′s Argentina So. Thatcher’s war..cobblers.
Myths become dangerous when based on ideological slogans such as those current in the 80′s and becoming the mantras of the socialist cultists of the latter days.
False memory syndrome writ large for purposes of manipulation.
I wouldn’t waste too much time arguing with the Idiot called PoTG.
That’s because Party on Thatcher’s Grave is wiping the floor with the limp pseudo arguments posited by the dim reactionaries on this site.
One thing that can be said about Thatcher is that she was a crazed amphetamine addict.
I thought so…
The Idiot’s arguments are consistent with yours at least…
……and your evidence is where, exactly?
In her arm, exactly.
Idiot alright – Thatcher doesn’t have a grave for one good reason.
But when she does that’s where the party will be.
At sea
And Argentina is now a democracy.
The sad thing now is that the British armed forces could not mount a campaign like that again – their resources have been so depleted by this Labour government that we could barely protect the Channel Islands.
duly noted…
What about Grenada? Was it OK to invade British territory if you were the USA?
Shit inconsistent warmonger who saved her skin through starting a war over a bit of land the British government had been negotiation to dispense with..
Probably the worse thing done over the falklands was not enough sabre rattling before Galtieri invaded (either the falkands or south georgia). Galtieri obviously thought he could get away with it.
On the other hand what marvellous spin. Getting out some pretty obsolete hardware from the mothballs, do a massive and impractical mission that puts one bomb in the right place, and its brilliant (must admit it was rather iconic hardware. Perhaps they should have sent spitfires to afganistan).
UAVs are reasonably low-tech kit. They are the equivalent of using a spitfire today. Because they utilise prop driven engines etc they CAN loiter a long time, which is the important thing. A Lancaster bomber with GPS guided bombs would probably be handy! I’m pretty sure a Mosquito would also be awesome for close ground support.
Lancasters etc. were quite small and slow. There are hercules etc. of course that could do the trick with GPS bombs.
Modern Mosquito? Hows about a pucara? Of course the americans had their own take on that sort of things with the thunderbolt(s).
However, however hi-tech your kit is, it still kills civilians. And in the current game that makes sensible people angry, angry people loopy, and loopy people into suicide bombers.
It seems Pants Girl is a Spanish speaker from his discussion with Sopel just now.
Gordon Brown by Cervantes?
Perhaps Mr Bradshaw needs to be re-educated, because his dear, leader, the great helmsman and saviour of the world invited St Margaret of Grantham back to 10 Downing Street. Even the Gruaniad had recorded the happy event.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2007/sep/13/gordonbrown.labour
Yes, I always remember that when Labour invokes Thatcher’s name.
I blame Scargill.
Arfer was an exemplary socialist. Started off with a small house and a big union, finished with a small union and a big house.
Nulab are repeating the trick with ‘party’ in place of ‘union’. Only they end up with three houses.
Started off with a small house and a big union, finished with a small union and a big house.
Respect
Don’t forget his Jags, gadge.
Thatcher was a poor leader, compared to Brown.
He would have invaded Argentina as well as claimed back the
Fucklands! Given the same opportunity of course.
So our poor underfunded and under-equipped troops would have been even more stretched than they are now.
Good thinking, that.
O/t
didnt gordon promise free laptops at last years confrence?
I do believe he did.
That was before the retarded fuckwit saw a few YouTube vids of himself.
I thought he offered free Broadband to 100 year oldies.
Put on hold – USB to ear trumpet connection still in development
“And we want to enable all families to use the internet to link back to their children’s school – and so Jim Knight is announcing that we will fund over a million extra families to get online, on the way to our ambition of Britain leading the world with more of our people than any other major economy able to access the internet and broadband.”
Piss poor pledge platitudes, plonkers.
thanks anyone know what happened ?
He’s changed his mind about that.
They don’t want everybody logging on to look at extremist right wing blogs which tell the truth; does he?
Neil ‘multi millionaire thanks to the taxpayer’kinnock said this morning that “gordon is a definite winner!”
Why do labour trot out this wretched man every time they hit the doldrums? Don’t they remember he was, in his own right. once regarded as the most hated man in Britain?
The Welsh Windbag….couldn’t put it better
They couldn’t find anybody else who was stupid enough to say it.
Kinnock is one of the few people at Brighton who isn’t smarming to Brown’s face whilst at the same time trying to stab him in the back.
Kinnock is one of the few people who isn’t “Giving Brown my wholehearted support, and no I am not interested in the leadership, but if I was asked—–”
Kinnock is the only one.
Ben Bedsore, I’ll see your Thatcher whine and raise you an illegal war allied with George Bush: you voted for it!
I see all our beloved Liebour clones have been programmed to say the same thing yet again,can’t they see we don’t f*ckin believe what they say anyway.
I see Pravda were in Dublin telling us about the yes vote,hell I feel sorry for the Irish they are getting the full treatment of EU lies,I thought after many years of Brit rule they would want to throw off the shackles,but no they look as if they are looking to put the shackles back on,
They need more funding from the EU. Not difficult to see which way it’ll go.
Fuck em
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So they say yes and they will be saying yes forever,it’s called blackmail.
Exactly!
Of course bum boy Bradshaw hates Mrs T, he is an ex BBC employee
In a party with a disproportionate majority of tossers Bradshaw is the mother of all tossers. Like a bouffant haired orange mutation of Hain after a diet and a badly frightened David Bowie.
He also represents the true sickness of the socialism blighting Britain. A BBC career supporting the one party and then a seat on the comrades gravy train, exploiting us, conning us and having the audacity to lecture us whilst doing it.
Bradshaw you are just a stupid little boy who has wet his pants in the shadow of Thatcher and only find the courage to revile her long after her power is gone. The inconvenient truth that you have had 12 years to create your own legacy as powerful as Thatcher’s and instead have squandered it with your collective insanity maybe lost on you and the other socialist idiots but it is not lost on the people of England.
Surely it is far better for Labour to win an overall majority next May
When economic reality smashes its way into the nation’s collective conciousness, let it be the Labour vermin who sack nurses, teachers, doctors and cancel public sector projects left right, and centre.
The union fat cats, smug millionaire commentators/journos, and left wing comedians on permanent call at the bbc will have no-one to blame but the faux Socialists
Too risky. Under communism many East European states were bankrupt hell holes but still managed to force their people to endure decades of oppression. Look at Mugabe. Do you think it is any consolation for the millions living under his nightmare regime to point the finger of blame correctly?
They need to be ousted and driven from power. Not just in government but everywhere else they have infiltrated to make our lives miserable.
Yep, socialists just increase the level of slavery of the population they own.
‘Twas ever so.
Agreed. We are merely scratching the surface of the left’s ability to fuck everything up. If they get to create a ‘state of emergency’ it would be one-party rule from then on.
Anyone remember that “Elections cause Chaos”…
Let’s hope Cammo remembers that one in his speech.
They remember and fear her because of the overwhelming list her achievements vs. her smaller list of failures. Worse still, she had an overwhelmingly positive effect on working class aspirations. Gordon Brown will be forgotten and his name will be dust 2 decades from now.
I beg to differ. He will always be remembered for being the worst chancellor and prime mentalist ever. Unless you’re watching a BBC programme.
his name might be forgotten in 20 years but we will still be paying his debt
Does Brown actually have an achievement to his name?
Here is a list.
Three years behind the mast at Scottish TV – it was tough, gutty work but someone courageous had to do it. Apart from that though, no.
Yes, making the adverse untended consequence the primary outcome of government legislation. It takes real skill to do that.
well he did have the 10p tax but then he scrapped it , what a loser
Yes – he got his PhD in the history of the Labour Party 1918 -1929 although it did take him 10 years. Essentially he relived it in real time rather than studying it like a historian.
Well that PhD would,nt take long,how much can you write about failure.
Him and tone good mans. We happy here in nice house. Rest of village on way. Room to let. No whites.
Carry on!
depends what you mean by achievement but in the accepted sense, NO.
Labour have achieved an unprecedented level of Rent-seeking upon UK citizens.
The worlds feckless salute you!
I wondered why I am finding it harder to get a boy to service me.
Lady Thatcher achieved much but sadly not even she could loosen the grip of the upper classes on the party.
Sadly we’re right back where we were.
Let them eat cake!
If only, TT.
I suspect we`ll still be cleaning up the mess this bunch of hoons has left behind in two decades.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/6239846/Bob-Ainsworth-Government-pushed-military-too-hard.html
Oh and now this that bob’aintbustinagut’ whispered to a fringe meeting yesterday in the hope that the bigger stories of the day would prevent anyone noticing.
bob admits that the government has pushed the armed forces too hard and says that we don’t have the scope to increase our troops in Afghanistan.
General Sir Mike Jackson told him the government needs to act decisively. Bet that was said more in hope than expectation.
funny init just as obama is getting cold feet so are labour both fucking socalist hoons and whimps
Ben’s a great GUY – and has always bent over backwards to make ends meet !!
It would appear that the word G*A*Y cannot be used – the phrase “bum boy” is acceptable – is that right?
We’re all gay in New Labour
You have to be… like mafias everywhere.
Ben Bradshaw is quite right about Mrs Thatcher. That Einstein was a fucking idiot as well and as for that bloody coward Nelson words fail me.
Tony Blair, now there’s a man. Led this country selflessly and even in retirement still finds time to give helpful lectures so that the world will be a better place.
Next an attack on fat people, single mums, wounded soldiers, pensioners, smokers, drinkers, motorists and so on!
In fact the population as a whole for missing the point about how wondrous Nulav are (not).
Don’t worry libdems and our weak kneed Tories you are just as bad if not as ignorant!
Yes, let bygones be bygones!
I was ousted in 1979, people still don’t like me.
I have grown to like you since April 15 1998.
Reputation is overrated. It’s cold and damp down here. And the bloody traffic, never stops…
Delete this post
Appartchiks at Zanulab conference all blathering on in “comradespeak”. Unbelievable that any sane person would ever vote for them.
It’s safe to assume that nobody will be talikng of ‘Brownism’ in 30 years’ time or debating ‘Brown’s legacy’. He has played the part of the expensive new football signing who comes on as substitute with 10 minutes of the match to go, gives the ball away for a goal, is roundly booed, proves to be an ungainly mistake and is quietly offloaded to ZKV Magnitogorsk.
Gordon Brown is putting on his makeup at the moment – after which he will pop some pills before his small lurch which includes a prawn cockateil salad
lurch to the left or lurch to the right … will it depend on which way the cockatiel is flying?
depends on the dope dosage.
I prefer a prawn and parrot salad myself
Ah – plawn a la parrOt
Wankers.
Where? We might be of help.
Guido’s blog is stuck in the Stone Age – along with his political views and those of his rabid sycophants.
Meanwhile, LabourList has been revamped with a slick, professional new interface which reflects the vibrant, cutting-edge outlook of New Labour. I’m afraid this site is a poor relation in comparison.
The Tories and the B_N_P, with their narrow-minded, regressive, homophobic, reactionary, nationalistic policies, want to look backwards not forwards. Gordon Brown is making the long-term decisions to continue this country on the road to economic recovery and make us stronger and fairer for the future.
Yes mein fuhrer, war will be peace etc
LOL.
Delusional to the edge of insanity.
Be still grasshopper whilst I tread on you.
Of course you are correct,we are very sorry for being unbelievers the problem is we don’t watch tv and have missed our programming sessions,are you from the same crowd who are brainwashing the kids in schools about Liebour,oh bye the way hello harriet.
Alex Miff blew it in the attempted summer putsch.
Miff is totally deluded.
He should leave the site and do something more constructive like answering the phone for British Gas.
I’m confused. which of Mr Solutions or M. Baiter are fakes?
As usual
I knew that would smoke you out!
Who’s alex Miff. I should suggest that people don’t google it.
if you dont like this site , take a refund and fuck off
Listen Ladies, don’t ye think you ever so slightly being wound up the wall by Fabian Solutions? An example;
“Meanwhile, LabourList has been revamped with a slick, professional new interface which reflects the vibrant, cutting-edge outlook of New Labour. I’m afraid this site is a poor relation in comparison.”
He/She is taking the piss, so calm down and have a cup of tea. God, you’re all so bloody knee-jerk on this site…
be still grasshopper so i can tread on you
The vibrant, cutting-edge outlook of New Labour? Slick? Professional? You’re ‘avin a laugh.
This country has gone backwards over the last 12 years. We were doing well in the health and education tables, compared to other countries. We are way down the list now. We have incurred more debt than we can poke a big stick at, unemployment is rising, more people on benefits, more taxation, more crime, less freedom, and the people at the top are creaming money out of the system left, right and centre. All due to this government. Credit where credit’s due.
Crime is lowest in twenty years.
Human Rights Act, FOI and devolution are the biggest devolutions of power, freedoms and rights since female suffrage.
Unemployment rising, yes, but lower that the depths of Tory rule (either by percentage or numbers)
Debt lower that France, Germany, Japan, USA…
I’ll take this kind of smooth for the rough
If you believe Crime is low then you probably believe the other tractor-stats.
My friends boss was walking down the street, 4 “imported” hoodies just punched him in the face as they walked by.
Labour = Clockwork Orange. The only real crime for them is disagreement with the state.
how much money do you get paid or do you earn in a year cap’n scooby?
I earn jus over £20k a year – before tax. How is this relevant/
Labour are stuck in the Cold War, in places like East Germany, Roumania and Kampuchea. Those regimes believed they were “stronger and fairer” too as they oppressed and bullied their communities – like Labour do.
The party that cannot be named has more in common with Labour than the Tories. Both are parties of dogma with fascist tendencies. In Labour’s case there are also 12 years of having to eat the pudding to prove it. Malevolance and incompetence are just two words that spring to mind when I look back at 12 years of Labour oppression. The very fact of your post speaks volumes about the Labour/Socialist/Communist mindset – you might just as well have used the pejorative “counter-revolutionary” to discredit the dissenting posters at this blog (who btw are entitled to their political views and the freedom to express them – something you wouldn’t understand in your world of thought control, secret police and coercion).
If I were you I would be deeply ashamed, not just of the miseries wrought by socialist regimes all over the world, but also for Labour’s appalling record here since 1997. Oh, you can delude yourself about it and lie about it. But people will know.
Let’s take that as an admission that Conservitudes are narrow-minded, regressive, homophobic, reactionary, nationalistic and want to look backwards not forwards.
Perhaps it’s seen as a badge of honour?
Or let’s not. Let’s just take it as an example of the way leftofascist idiots like you manipulate language in an attempt to demonise people who don’t agree with you.
Apart from “homophobic” the words you use to describe conservatives can be applied equally to New Labour and are therefore meaningless in that context. I do not believe that all conservatives are homophobic just as I do not believe that all socialists are not.
I believe most conservatives want to look foward to a future without New Labour and it’s controlling, free speech stifling ways. To a future free from New Labour corruption, free from New Labour lies, free from New Labour hypocricy and free from New Labour’s “soft” totalitarianism.
If you believe that New Labour’s legislative record since 1997 is not narrow-minded, reactionary and regressive then you are an even bigger fool than your posts suggest. In short New Labour, in its hating, has become that thing it hates. A corrosive, coercive and corrupt establishment which is far from its ideals of equality and fairness.
By all means rile and rant in order to satisfy the warped aspirations of your deluded leaders but you will never extinguish the spark of freedom that gave birth to the philosophy of the left and which you have now so cruelly betrayed. Clement Attlee and Ernest Bevin would be appalled by Brown and his criminal, war-mongering gang. Is it reactionary and regressive to consider their politics and compare and contrast them with those of New Labour, the great pretenders?
Eventually, the fascist regime you support, which is not fit to call itself Labour, will be disempowered and rejected.
Turing !
“Slick” as in “oil slick”.
“Slick” as in “slick and dishonest”.
Hiya Charlie boy..long time no see…but not missed.
I see you’re still taking the drugs…have the bedsores healed yet?
‘Ben Bradshaw gets a small cheer from the hall for attacking Thatcher. Two decades after she left office…’
Yeh, pretty much the same way the right still goes on about Communism – two decades after it collapsed.
China, North Korea?
and don’t forget Zer0bama!
Woh yu on bout?
I agree. More to the point, the right still rabbit on about Thatcher as if only she was back in power, every thing would be fine.
They don’t quite seem to have realised that, as her social policies set the country not eh atomised, selfish, angry, fearful path it is now on, so too has her economic policies now been found to be hollow. We (and I say this as a Labour man) all bought into unrestrained free-markets, ‘greed is good’ and Reagonomics as the only creed to follow. On Left and Right, we were told that ever-reducing government interference in the markets would guarantee us prosperity and happiness. Be it Brown, or Clarke, or Osborne, or Greenspan, or Darling, or Bernanke (ad infinitum), the consensus was that the Right was right and left-wing economics had been proven to be fatally flawed.
Well, as we see, the hurricane of the last two years has blown all that consensus to smithereens. As her social policies were shown to lead down a blind alley, so the much-vaunted Thatcherite economic legacy has brought us to this pass.
And no one, and none of our political leaders, would have led us any different in the last twenty years.
Idiot,
Self-interest and selfishness are totally different. Nothing is more selfish than Socialism.
It collapsed in Eastern Europe but your gang, Common Purpose and the EUSSR have been at pains to resurrect it here.
Socialist and Communist are just two species of fleas. They are both unpleasant, attract more attention than their size warrants, suck blood, make life miserable and are difficult to get rid of. The one, given enough power, usually morphs into the other and they both become totalitarian – as Labour have. They share the same characteristics of exploitation, hypocrisy and lying, of holding onto power through deceit, and of wanting to control others. Like fleas, when their infestation has been eradicated, they will be forgotten.
“Socialism, the equality of misery” spoken by that other magnificent Tory, Winston Churchill.
How small will his lurch be?
Here are some highlights from Lord Mandelson’s inspirational speech.
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Of course, we must celebrate our record and be proud of defending it. We did fix the roof while the sun was shining.
We can look at the way we have turned around our public services, our record on tackling poverty at home and abroad, our role as a force for progressive social change. The minimum wage and the new rights for working mothers and fathers. And we can feel proud.
But let us remember that you win elections on the future, not the past.
Do not make the mistake of sitting back and expecting people to be grateful.
We must not translate the pride we feel in what we have achieved into a defence of the status quo.
Just as we fight against a Conservative Party that is still steeped in the old Tory attitudes of the 1980s, we must not allow ourselves to fall into old Labour thinking.
The British people have their eyes on the future and so must we.
We are the true progressives.
We must be restless for change, impatient to do more for the hard-working people we serve, unafraid to embrace new reform, new policies and new thinking where it is needed.
We need to think like insurgents, not incumbents.
To challenge. To argue for change. To campaign.
To be the real change-makers in British politics.
This is our task. We need to fight back. Of course we do.
But to do so successfully it is up to us to explain – with confidence, clarity and conviction – what the choice is.
The choice between a Conservative party whose judgements on the credit crunch were wrong, or a party providing leadership in the toughest of times.
A choice between a party that lurches to the right the second it sees a chance of doing so, or our party that is resolutely in the progressive centre.
A choice between a party that does not understand the new world we live in or even what has happened in the last year, or a Labour Party that knows the world has changed and we have to change with it.
Experience and change with Gordon’s leadership.
Or the shallowness of David Cameron.
In one way or another I have been part of the last five election campaigns this Party has fought.
Let me tell you a secret. Deep down in my guts I always knew who was going to win. Even, sadly, in 1992.
This time, it is not cut and dried. This election is up for grabs.
So conference, we may be the underdogs.
But if we show the British people that we have not lost the fighting spirit and appetite for change which has defined this party throughout its history then we can and will win.
Win for our Party. Win for our country.
Win for the British people.
Fuck off you NWO lizard and England hater.
Fabulous Ablutions, plesaa keep it brief and resist the cut and paste.
It’s so lame.
Leave that sort of thing to the lame right wing dimwits busily stroking each other on this site.
Please
Fabian=Fascist.
trolls back on the payroll FUCK OFF
“Win for our Party. Win for our country. Win for the British people.”
He got them in the order of priority for Labour – party – country – people.
Long winded Bullshit
And i dont need mandy to tell me who to vote for, i aint thick
Long winded B U L L S H I T
What a load of old crap!
It does tell me one thing, though. They’re STILL not listening.
and they think they can treat us like hoons
Thank you for this – I’ve analysed this speech in full and here are my conclusions [IN CAPS]:
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We did fix the roof while the sun was shining. [LIE]
And we can feel proud. [FEEL AWAY]
But let us remember that you win elections on the future, not the past. [TRUE]
Do not make the mistake of sitting back and expecting people to be grateful. [TOO LATE, YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THAT]
We must not translate the pride we feel in what we have achieved into a defence of the status quo. [TOO LATE, YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THAT]
Just as we fight against a Conservative Party that is still steeped in the old Tory attitudes of the 1980s, we must not allow ourselves to fall into old Labour thinking. [TOO LATE, YOU HAVE BEEN DOING THAT]
The British people have their eyes on the future and so must we. [TRUE - THAT'S WHY THEY WON'T BE VOTING FOR YOU]
We are the true progressives. [LIE]
We must be restless for change, impatient to do more for the hard-working people we serve, unafraid to embrace new reform, new policies and new thinking where it is needed. [MEANINGLESS GENERIC POLITICAL BLAH]
We need to think like insurgents, not incumbents. [OH DEAR, LIKE IN AFGHANISTAN?]
To challenge. To argue for change. To campaign. [MEANINGLESS GENERIC POLITICAL BLAH]
To be the real change-makers in British politics. [MEANINGLESS GENERIC POLITICAL BLAH]
This is our task. We need to fight back. Of course we do. [TRUE]
But to do so successfully it is up to us to explain – with confidence, clarity and conviction – what the choice is. [MEANINGLESS GENERIC POLITICAL BLAH]
The choice between a Conservative party whose judgements on the credit crunch were wrong, or a party providing leadership in the toughest of times. [LIE]
A choice between a party that lurches to the right the second it sees a chance of doing so, or our party that is resolutely in the progressive centre. [LIE]
A choice between a party that does not understand the new world we live in or even what has happened in the last year, or a Labour Party that knows the world has changed and we have to change with it. [LIE]
Experience and change with Gordon’s leadership. [HA HA HA]
Or the shallowness of David Cameron. [BASELESS INSULT]
In one way or another I have been part of the last five election campaigns this Party has fought. [TRUE]
Let me tell you a secret. Deep down in my guts I always knew who was going to win. Even, sadly, in 1992. [LIE]
This time, it is not cut and dried. This election is up for grabs. [KEEP THINKING THAT, CHUM]
So conference, we may be the underdogs. [TRUE]
But if we show the British people that we have not lost the fighting spirit and appetite for change which has defined this party throughout its history then we can and will win. [MEANINGLESS GENERIC POLITICAL BLAH]
Win for our Party. Win for our country. [MEANINGLESS GENERIC POLITICAL BLAH]
Win for the British people. [MEANINGLESS GENERIC POLITICAL BLAH]
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“We need to fight back”.
—against the ruination of the Country by policies for which we are solely responsible?
Well that makes sense.
Guido can we have a real time cometary box (like PMQs) for Gordon’s speech of his life? Please
seconded.
thirded (did ask other day )
fourthed
Yes please.
You could try Daily Politics Swiss Bob he’s started his daily live commentry again
What time’s the snot-gobbler on? I’m “working” from home today so need a bit of notice to ensure my dressing gown is neatly tied and I’ve combed the sugar puffs out of my beard.
BTW, talking of Thatch, I saw a (the) vulcan bomber on Sunday, flew low overhead ont he way to an air show at southport; what a beautiful plane,a nd what a bloody good job the entire armed forces did back in the Falklands, and Maggie too. She didnt’ do what was easy, she did what was right. Remember that Gordon? back when “because it’s the right thing to do” didn’t mean shovelling trilliosn to bankers and royally fucking this country? What a useless prick that man is.
Biscuits, check. Dressing gown tied, check. Foam brick at the ready, check. Bucket to catch raging spittle, check.
Gordon, Gordon, Gordon, Gordon!
2.15pm or 2.30pm I do believe. They reckon he coud go on for about an hour. An Hour??!!!
I thankfully shall find something else to do. Watching gordon would not be good for my blood pressure.
thank fuck its on at the same time as england v new zeland
Look ! – my idols – Sen. Chav + Commissar Stalin, + Herr Tilter + Comrade Castrate go on much longer !
So shurrup !!
Willya !!
I recommend rodding the drains, Nell.
I feel the same.
I caught a little of the BBC’s coverage of the conference last night and couldn’t sleep it was so sickening. In the end I had to reach for gin until I passed out. Watching any Labour bastard (especially Brown) is too much for an educated, unbrainwashed person to take.
Perhaps it could have headed off to Brighton, but then again the Victor had the ability to dump a larger consignment of instant Brighton sunshine.
Well said Franky! I hope the sugar puffs were good (they taste better in whisky than milk).
Point of order. The Vulcan missions were a farce cooled up by the RAF so they could be seen to be doing something. The raids may have been a tremendous feat of airmanship but they were a tremendous risk, wasted fuel, and put men’s lives at risk.
Mrs Thatcher was all for butchering the RN so the RAF could have more planes and the Army more tanks.
Yet when the crap hit the fan where the junior services?
Nothing pisses me of than the continuation of the RAF myth.
I feel better for that.
What has Spock’s Mum and Port Stanley Airfield got in common?
They were both fucked by Vulcans.
Good points well made but… it’s not the point. S’a bloody cool plane, and it was a striking cool thing to do. Fly from one side of the world to another, drop a couple of fire crackers, fly home.
Propaganda victory my friend. Projected power. And will. At one time anyone knew that this country would not be fucked with.
Yep, Argentina itself wasn’t much further away, and the Vulcan bomber is very “accidentally” stealthy.
Argentina is actually a bit closer (or parts of it are). The Vulcan had to fly down the South American coast to reach Port Stanley, but could have as easily swerved west and bombed airfields/ports around Buenos Aires if desired.
The “couple of firecrackers” were actually twenty one 1,000lb bombs landing in a line about 50 yards apart – each one would spoil your day if you were anywhere near it.
Forget the inetr-service rivalry and the rest of it – it helped demonstrate serious intent and it kept the Argentine fast-jets from operating from Port Stanley (and threatening the fleet). This was a serious military outcome delivered by skilled, determined, brave men. Gordon Brown pales into insignificance by comparison.
Have a read of Vulcan 607 by Rowland White – an inspiring and courageous tale that sets it all out.
Projected power: Lets not forget what they were – old suprlus kit designed for dropping nuclear bombs on the russians.
Point of Information.
Vulcan took Stanley runway out and prevented Argentine Air Force Mirages from basing on Falklands. Forced them to operate from Mainland from which they caused trouble enough (Exocets). That was a stretegic necessity and ultimately made the entire campaign winnable.
Super Entendards carried Exocets, not the Mirage iii or Israeli Daggers.
However, the Navy sorted out the ANA’s willingness to not use 25 de Mayo with the help of some torpedoes to sink the Belgrano. But it was a good job that the Argentine Navy and Air Force didn’t have more modern Douglas A4s, or better bomb fuses. It was a close run thing.
However, Brown has scrapped, sold off or canaballised the RN’s fleet to such an extent that it is only fit for cocaine seizures at sea ops to coincide with his conference.
And Marines (Marines!) allowing themselves to be captured and held hostage for 2 weeks by a bunch of Iranians in an inflatable dingy. But hell, they got £100k apiece for their troubles from the papers.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/2009/09/will_he_or_wont_1.html
Up until yesterday, according to Nick Robinson, gordon was going to offer, in his speech today, to take part in TV Debates with the other leaders.
Now apparently he has changed his mind.
You can say many things about Mrs T but she knew how to be decisive. gordon struggles to make him mind up between tea and coffee in the mornings – big decisions are completely beyond him.
Totally unfair. It is true that Gordon used to be indecisive, but now he is not so sure.
LOL
Hope he’s chosen a nice tie to go with his crumpled lounge suit. May be he’s asked Sarah to tie it up for him today
“”Win for our Party. Win for our country.
Win for the British people.”"
Sounds like dangerous jingo-istic zenophobic nationalism to me.
Are you with the B_N_P?
Well they stole the phrase OPERATION FIGHTBACK from the BNP who have used it widely from before the EU elections, and have it plastered all 0over their conference. They also stole the phrase BRITISH JOBS FOR BRITISH WORKERS which goes right back to the National Front days.
Of course being a bunch of globalist freaks when they say things like this you need to take them with 500 trucks of rock salt. They say them with one purpose only and that is to try and trick people so they can stay in power. As the last 12 years have shown they HATE the British and in particular the English people and the traditional country that they took control of in 1997 and have worked night and day ever since to destroy it, mostly through the importation of large numbers of immigrants (the client vote for gerry mandering purposes) and dismantling of civil liberties.
He will say just what I tell him to say
No more
No less
Oh – and nothing is his fault – do you understand ?
A day to slip out more news
This is the Photorestrict epetition on the drowning street website
Read the Government’s response
Thank you for your e-petition.
On 16 February 2009, the Counter-Terrorism Act 2008 (Commencement No.2) Order 2009 brought in to force section 58A of the Terrorism Act 2000 (inserted by section 76 of the CTA 2008), offences relating to information about members of the armed forces etc.
Section 58A makes it an offence to publish, communicate, elicit or attempt to elicit information about any of such persons which is of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism. Contrary to some media and public misconception, section 58A does not make it illegal to photograph a police officer, military personnel or member of the intelligence services.
On the 18 August 2009, the Home Office published the following information via its website to clarify photography in relation to section 58A.
Photography and Section 58A of the Terrorism Act 2000
The offence concerns information about persons who are or have been at the front line of counter-terrorism operations, namely the police, the armed forces and members of the security and intelligence agencies.
An officer making an arrest under section 58A must reasonably suspect that the information is of a kind likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism. An example might be gathering information about the person’s house, car, routes to work and other movements.
Reasonable excuse under section 58A
It is a statutory defence for a person to prove that they had a reasonable excuse for eliciting, publishing or communicating the relevant information. Legitimate journalistic activity (such as covering a demonstration for a newspaper) is likely to constitute such an excuse. Similarly, an innocent tourist or other sight-seer taking a photograph of a police officer is likely to have a reasonable excuse.
So if I’m not a tourist I can’t take a photograph of a police officer near my home?
You can if you have a reasonable excuse, such as “I wanted to annoy him”.
Quite right too!
Fuck off bitch.
But an ordinary person shouldn’t need a “reasonable excuse” or a “statutory defence” to take a photograph.
Once again New Labour’s crass legislation is based upon a presumption of wrong doing to impose control of an activity the vast majority of which will be innocent. We are all becoming default suspected terrorists, criminals and paedophiles in New Labour’s Britain, the largest open prison in the world.
Resist them.
Depends how a sight-seer is defined.You could go sight-seeing around your home for work or leisure and take a photo of a policeman as part of the scene. But the words”innocent” and”reasonable excuse” are worryingly elastic.Do they infer a person being regarded as guilty unless proved innocent?Sounds like the New Labour Police State mentality.Common sense is not something used widely by the police and ridiculous arrests may follow.
Ladyboy Mandelscum’s “inspirational” speech? Did you see the fvcking brain-dead retards who were being “inspired”? fvcking do-gooder social workers and leftie teachers who couldn’t p*ss their way into a pot if they didn’t have a publicly-funded committee to spend 13 fvcking years not making up their minds.
I just hope that Ol’Gormless hangs on till the election so that I can have the pleasure of voting this fvcking shambles out. I was a Labour Party member for 32 years but I haven’t voted for this shower of sh1t since Blur took over and I tore up my party membership and sent it back. This bunch of interfering fake polytechnic degree troughing tw4ts are not the Labour Party that I, my parents and grandparents supported. Fvck ‘em into the dustbin of history where they belong.
It’s spelled ‘Fatcher’.
Fatcher Fatcher Fatcher
The useless rent boy drug dealing C.U.N.T.S have been in power for nearly 13 years and all they can manage is to go back to the pathetic Communist politics of the 1980′s.
Fuck off you Labour Hunts, fuck off and die of Cancer all of you bastards.
Alan Johnson has been using the Thatcher comparison to suggest that crime has been halved since then by New Labour.Lies,damn lies,and statistics.And he seized on the Pilkington case to go on about anti-social behaviour.New Labours policies,police targets,avoiding criminalisation of young people etc not to blame then?
They seem to be hoping we haven’t noticed who’s been running the show for the last 12 years.
They have to cling to the wreckage. When there is nothing else I suppose a cheap shot at Maggie is a banker for a few claps.
Mandelson yesterday camping it up and moody Gordon today with nothing to say other than A.N other party policies,still come May 6th a new job for the lot of them.I expect the EU will have a nice little number for him maybe looking after the European Central Bank? Tony back as EU President,Mandy at the UN as his excelency,unless we get our referendum on the Lisbon Treaty and have our say on broken promices from this lousey government.
Bloody Romans!
What’s wrong with that. She’s still an oul Hunt, no matter when she left office.
And many of the problems we still face today are part of the culture that that oul Hunt introduced into the country.
Most of the posters on here, and indeed Geedo himself, are her loathsome progeny.
No matter what Blair or Brown did or do, they can’t change that. They had to work with the loathsome attitudes the oul Hunt left behind her.
It’ll take generations to sort out the mess that oul Hunt left behind, but at least Labour made a start.
The Tories will only take us backwards, and ensure social chaos and disorder on a scale we haven’t seen since the …errr… 1980s.
Though I suspect it’ll be much worse than that, the way the economy wil be.
Be careful what you wish for…..
Do you ever get the feeling you have not understood anything that has occurred in the last 50 years?
If not, you should.
You should also check your quotes and not believe everything some daft old lefty tells you.
What happened is that the Thatcher Hunt destroyed not just public services but the very IDEA of public service, ushering in a generation of spivs and scum who’ve at last brought the country to its knees culturally, politically, morally and economically.
It’ll take generations to put it all back together again, and that’s being optimistic.
The only positive thing is that the Tories will likely be on watch again when finally we fall into the abyss.
Mrs Thatcher knew the dangers and evils of socialism. She did her best to try and destroy socialism in the 1980s. Even the Labour party renounced their former nationalising instincts. Unfortunately there was still a true socialist believer called Gordon Brown. He became the Labour Chancellor and leader so he taxed and taxed and taxed. And he spent and spent and spent. When there was no more money left, he borrowed and borrowed and borrowed. Until the country had no money at all but lots and lots of debts.
What ignorant bollocks.
Britain’s debt was decreased under Brown. He made a point of paying off what the Tories had run up, with the result that Britain’s debt is less than its competitors.
Listen to the Toady Programme on radio 4 this morning and with the left wing Naughty and Brown all we got was a party political message from the man that saved the world. On my reckoning Brown said Jim to him 12 times.
Labour may have lost the Sun but it still has the bbc supporting it, its own personal propoganda service.
Both Labour and the bbc hate Thatcher – nothing new here.
More ignorant bollocks.
As even the Americans admit, Brown led the way on the world bailout. Wouldn’t have happened without him. They were more minded to be like “do nothing” Dave.
The simple fact is that Brown knew what to do.
As far as “do nothing” Dave is concerned, it should really be “know nothing” Dave.
Like a rabbit caught in the headlights poor Dave had neither the experience nor abilty to know what to do.
We saw something like this before with the fall of the Soviet Union, when both Americans and Thatcher stared blankly into the headlights not knowing what to do or what position to take.
You see, when your politics amount to no more than libertarianism you never know what to do, because doing is not your thing.
You need knowledge, experience and intelligence to do things. Tedious, plodding, boring old-fashioned dedication, in fact. The “I want it now” Thatcher generation have none of that.