September 28th, 2009

Gay Guido Joining German Goverment

Guido WesterwelleThe always smiling (and first openly gay) leader of the German Free Democrats, Guido Westerwelle, is pencilled in to become the country’s new foreign minister, after the FDP won its best result in 60 years allowing the center-right Christian Democrats to kick  the left-wing SDP out of their governing coalition.  The FDP stood for election on a platform committed to promoting free markets and small government. Tax cuts are at the heart of his party’s election programme – he wants the top rate of tax to be cut from

The FDP is promising to cut taxes by up to €35 billion, citing 400 spending cut proposals for the budget, by January 1, next year he wants the basic tax-free threshold to be raised to €8,004 per person, which factoring in other allowances, would mean the average four-person family would only start paying taxes once its earnings exceed €40,000.  He wants to financially incentivise taxpayers to have children, whereas in Britain we incentivise welfare claimants to have children.  He wants to cut the top rate from 42% to 35%, flattening and simplifying taxes with a starting rate of 10%.  George Osborne should note that  he is committed to abolishing all federal inheritance taxes.  The liberal FDP is allied with the LibDems in the European Parliament.  Hopefully Cable and Clegg are taking note of how a liberal third party offering tax cuts succeeds.


466 Comments

  1. 1
    Infamy, They've all got it in for me says:

    Ein

    • 3
      Language teacher says:

      Eins

      • 28
        tat says:

        said the moron.

      • 33
        Anonymous says:

        Hey!

        Wait a minute!

        These are all George Bush’s policies.

        Low taxes, cut Inheritance tax, incentivise business – could it be that good ol’ George W is being rehabilitated within 1 year of leaving office?

        The BBC keeps telling me what a splendid chap Brown is and how respected he is as a leader abroad- what happened to the Germans?

        Of course American had twice the growth, less debt and more jobs than Europe for most of Bush’s 8 years in office.

        Those Krauts could be on to something.

        • 59
          half the story told says:

          is it bollocks his policies.

          Bush the second had tax cuts aimed at the top 1%, more trickleddown nonsence.

          His policies are abourt raising the dependence on the state and need to pay in to the state once you earn more.

          • Anonymous says:

            Of course.. that’s what cuting tax is all about… making people pay more.

            And no one except the top 1% pays inheritance tax

            And even though Bush’s tax cuts effected most tax payers, they didn’t.

            And even though America had twice the grown of Europe for most of Bush’s time in office, it didn’t.

            And nonsense is actually spelt nonesence

            Of course

            (Is this a BBC employee on lunch break?)

          • Fart and Pastey says:

            nice to see guido supporting the Lib Dems since they aim to to take low income poeple out of tax altogether

            either that or guido only supports tax cuts for the rich

      • 34
        Anonymous says:

        FUCK OFF you DICK!

      • 65
        Moley says:

        This post brought to you by the Completely Unintelligible Party.

        • 142
          Moley says:

          Sorry that was a reply to silent Bob, whose post was deleted because his silence was in capital letters.

    • 177
      Feeling a little queer says:

      Links rechts, links rechts, links rechts!

      He talks more sense than ‘our’ Mandy. What an appalling conference diatribe Mandy just gave, sure is a sign of a loser with that rhetoric. But good news people, we’ll be able to save the British car industry and buy 100,000 more “British” made Mercedes, BMW’s, Peugeot’s, Renault’s and the rest.

  2. 2
    tat says:

    he doesn’t look very gay.

  3. 5
    Anonymous says:

    He’s cute too.

  4. 7
    Raving Loon says:

    Unfortunately our “liberal” democtratic party is actually a social democratic party. There are no liberals in the classical sense in the LibDems.

  5. 8
    I Hate The Heir to Blair! says:

    Surely that is actually a picture of Andrew Rosindell MP? If not then he must be Rozzer’s twin, which would expalin quite a lot really.

  6. 9
    Gordon Brown says:

    No, no, the solution is more tax not less. Less is more, more or less.

    Nurse, pills please.

  7. 10
    Obama is a twat says:

    ?If he’s gay he most know Peter Mandelbum if you know what I mean. Having said that he sounds far more sensible than any other gay politician I’ve heard.

  8. 11
    Comment says:

    Sky News, policeman DELROY SMELLIE, WTF

  9. 13
    Peter Grimes says:

    Looks a bit like that gay former ZaNuLieBor ‘minister’, Chris Somethingorother!

  10. 14
    Liberal? says:

    “Hopefully Cable and Clegg are taking note of how a liberal third party offering tax cuts succeeds.”

    I’ve never once considered the UK liberal party to be liberal. They come across as more socialist than the Labour party.

  11. 15
    Mark Oaten says:

    not in my case….

  12. 18

    Why is the reference to his sexuality important?

    • 25
      Anonymous says:

      it isn’t; it’s purely gratuitous

      • 44
        tat says:

        look if he didn’t have such a gay big knot in his tie and such a small collar no-one would know he is gay now would they?
        it is all very well people being gay but do they really have to shove it down our throats with their gay apparel?
        that tie could not more gay if it tried FFS.

        • 93
          Graham Norton says:

          Gay as a treeful of monkeys on laughing gas

        • 131
          Dame Davina Pancake says:

          Shane – I’m with you on this – I love the humour and discussion on this site, but many of the comments are somewhat playground-level (or B&P) on the subject of sexuality. I detest Mandelson for what he stands for, what he spins and the way he conducts himself, but what he does in his bedroom doesn’t interest me at all and should have no bearing on how we judge his performance. The same goes for all politicians and public figures (unless they are being hypocritical in what they say in public and do in private).

          • Airey Belvoir says:

            Well, Dame D, maybe politicians should avoid discussing their own bedroom foibles with TV interviewers. I’m sure that I heard Gordon telling Marr that he ‘doesn’t roll over.”

          • tat says:

            “but what he does in his bedroom doesn’t interest me at all and should have no bearing on how we judge his performance.”
            FNAAR FNAAR!

          • tat says:

            oh and it is very interesting dame how you conflate playground humour with a fascist party.
            bit of a fascist position to take innit?
            you were probably in favour of that poor schoolboy being told off for playing at fighting the krauts in the playground.
            you sound like a right nazi.

  13. 19

    the average four-person family would only start paying taxes once its earnings exceed €40,000.

    Fucking A I’ll have some of that. There’s six of us. How do I get to be German? Do I have to be gay, or could I get away with just being a bit smug and over-earnest?

    Not that keen on their wine though.

  14. 21
    Man on the Clapham Omnibus says:

    Not only that, but great alliteration.

  15. 22
    Praguetory says:

    The emergence of a proper tax-cutting party is of course good news. The results suggest that European voters understand that it is private business not government spending that represent the route to prosperity.

    This is the sort of party that the Tories should be welcoming into their Euro-grouping.

  16. 23
    tat says:

    I am pro-lesbian.
    100%.
    but I am not a gayist myself.
    is it compulsory now you nazi?

  17. 24
    Bono says:

    We cannot cut taxes. We need the taxes for the third world to make me and Geldof look like Saints* – .

    Gordon understands this.

    * even though I live in tax exile

  18. 27
    Des from North Taunton says:

    Guido Westerwelle ?

    Is the Welle bit pronounced as in Welly?

  19. 31
    Anonymous says:

    Brown told Mandelson he would quit as PM unless Mandy stopped the media asking questions about his mental health, pill-taking etc.

    Hence Mandy out and about today round the studios, on the phone to newspaper editors. He wants to prop Brown up for a bit longer.

    • 48
      Bono says:

      We have to secure the Lisbon Treaty for the good of the third world, thats why Gordon is bravely holding on despite his failing health.

      He is suffering for all of us, to save all of us, whether we appreciate his suffering or not.

      Bless that man.

  20. 38
    Tin Cunliffe-Arsely says:

    Never too keen on the state deciding to promote the production of children.

    If it goes too far the roads become chock-a-block with MPVs and what would have been called minibuses a few years back.

    • 107
      Villager says:

      Oh, you’ve visited my village, then?
      Full of people whose kids can’t walk so they have to be taken to school in fucking great vehicles the size of a Transit. Bastards.

      • 461
        Jethro says:

        107 – Agreed, Villager: my tersely-worded sort-of-epigram is, ‘The bigger the car, the smaller the brain.’ As in,’ My Range Rover/Espace/Shogun… is soo wide, (I truly don’t know how wide!) I always leave a good yard and a half between its near-side and the kerb… SO JUST WATCH OUT,YOU PEOPLE IN LITTLE CARS! And, when you say ‘Full of people…’ you mean actually, ‘containing one Mum+brat/s – unless on the post-’Bye-then-Darling-trip’, when it will be one Mum, foot-to-the-floor to get to work.
        Indicators are for people in little cars, too…

    • 161
      Anonymous says:

      The birthrate of indigenous Germans is falling and below the replacement rate. What is wrong with the people of a country wanting to have a future for themselves? Would you rather the British way and have millions of younger people brought in from all around the world? A nation/race that can produce Claudia Schiffer, Katarina Witt and Gisele Buendchen(German extraction Brasilian) is worth saving.

  21. 42
    Gordon Brown says:

    Fucking Germans.

    They make me puke with their common sense, logical thinking, sense of fairness, and their understanding of basic economics/maths.

    Bollocks to these people who say things that make sense.

    Vote for me in 2010 instead; a proven compulsive liar idiot loony evil bastard. Go on, you know you want to. Ignore anyone who actually makes sense; they’ll only lead you to stupid things like hope and prosperity, and nobody wants that.

    • 83
      Heidi says:

      ok that’s funny

    • 149
      England_4ever says:

      Yea, light touch market regulation, woo hoo won’t that be great.

      • 179
        Anonymous says:

        light touch regulation would be better than “duh…I don’t understand all this money lark, just do whatever you like and I’ll collect my expenses money and massive tax-payer-funded pension while building my tax-payer-funded property portfolio” regulation.

  22. 50

    He wants to cut the top rate of income tax from 42% to 35%, meanwhile the UK govt wish to increase it from 41% to 51%.

    Looks like Frankfurt will be happy as half the City of London relocates there…

  23. 51

    I’d personally prefer the costs of children to be met 100% by their producers i.e. the parents.

    • 60

      Ditto. But I’d also like to pay fuck-all tax while I’m doing it.

      Tax is evil, and tax that amounts to better than 50% is fucking slavery.

      • 86

        Tax isn’t evil, Taxes on transfers (i.e. time based) are evil.

        Taxes on externalities are not.

        • 95
          • tat says:

            please God don’t bother anticitizen.
            frank, anti social citizen is a communist, do not encourage him or he will start typing large tract of karl marx.
            thankyou.

          • What TaT meant was that he’s too stupid to understand externalities.

            Time based taxes are evil as they imply the government owns the population, when in fact the population owns the government.

            Externality based taxes are actually good, as they are making the person pay for things they are doing to others such as pollution or government mandated monopolies like property, IP etc. As such they help to minimise externalities.

            The problem comes from state spending… Money raised from taxes should be returned to each citizen equally as a dividend. Citizens should then purchase goods within the economy. When this dividend is given out based on fecklessness (i.e. means tested) it makes things even worse.

          • tat says:

            see what I mean, anticitizen is a communist.

          • Tat you accuse the father of capitalism, Adam Smith of being a communist.

            “Both ground-rents and the ordinary rent of land are a species of revenue which the owner, in many cases, enjoys without any care or attention of his own. Though a part of this revenue should be taken from him in order to defray the expenses of the state, no discouragement will thereby be given to any sort of industry. …Ground-rents, and the ordinary rent of land, are therefore, perhaps, the species of revenue which can best bear to have a peculiar tax imposed upon them.”

            “Ground rents seem in this respect a more proper subject of peculiar taxation than even the ordinary rent of land. …Ground-rents, so far as they exceed the ordinary rent of land, are altogether owing to the good government of the sovereign. …Nothing can be more reasonable than that a fund which owes its existence to the good government of the state should be taxed peculiarly, or should contribute something more than the greater part of other funds towards the support of that government.”

            “A tax upon ground-rents would not raise the rent of houses. It would fall altogether upon the owner of the ground-rent, who acts always as a monopolist and exacts the greatest rent which can be got for the use of the ground.” : Adam Smith.

            You really are a stupid person.

          • thick as thieves says:

            no, cloth ears, I accuse you of being a communist with your anti-royalist revolutionary and seditious chatter of land taxes.
            people get there heads chopped off for that type of talk, antisocialcitizen.
            look at saudi arabia if you don’t believe me: they chop peoples heads and hands off for stealing a loaf of bread FFS. and alqaeda, being a saudi arabian creation, copies the saudi royal’s methods.
            the fault of the terrorist attacks in america and Britain and europe lies not on the Afghans on the plains of Afghanistan but directly at the feet of the saudi arabian bin laden family.
            they have generated the terrorists because of their fascist and barbaric regime which forces their home grown terrorists to operate elsewhere. and it is because of george bush’s family’s relationship with the bin laden’s that alqaeda attacked america.
            the only people that benefited from the Iraq war were george bush, his family and friends and the bin laden’s ofcourse.
            all are profiteering war criminals who acted against their national interests and purely for their own personal gain.
            they will be lucky if they evade the noose. whichever way it goes their souls belong to satan now. they are doomed to hell and, God Willing, george bush will spend the rest of eternity down on his knees sucking satan’s cock. or sucking bill clinton’s cock, yeah, that’d be worse.
            here endeth the lesson.
            wise up anticitizen you dope.

    • 61
      Unmarried chav says:

      Seconded.

    • 85
      It's all Balls says:

      I presume that you would also agree to those who have no children forgoing state pension?

      The current workforce pays for the pensions of their predecessors.

      Without children, no pensions, no future.

      • 90

        I’d opt out of the “state” pension in a microsecond given the choice.

        You may also notice that 99% of the 7 billion people on the planet didn’t need a subsidy to be produced.

      • 92
        Piss orf says:

        Piss off Balls a persons’ state pension is funded from that persons’ National insurance contributions, it is NOT a freebie.

        • 175
          It's all Balls says:

          Go to the back of the economics class you ninnie. So your nice kind Government puts your personal contributions in a little pink piggy bank with a little sticky on label marked ‘Piss orf’ ready for your retirement?

          Or does it actually use your contributions now and hope that some folk will have kids to help pay the pensions in the future?

          Are you the kind of idiot who thinks all Road Fund License gets spent on roads?

          Get a grip.

          No wonder some folk still vote Labour.

          • You mean it’s a ponzi scheme that relies on population growth (and thus increasing population density) rather than investments linked to increased productivity?

            Why would I want to opt out of that?

          • Tin Cunliffe-Arsely says:

            Do you think the reason people should have kids so that they can wipe your arse when you’re old?

          • fedupwithbrown says:

            It’s a massive ponzi scheme We’ll need a massive working population with room just to stand up to pay for it in the future.

          • EC1 PhD says:

            New condom tax: fewer people would use them. Raise money for Government coffers, larger population, everyone wins. Alternatively, just open the borders and let in all the economic migrants we can. Less messy.

        • 261
          Max says:

          NI “contributions” are a huge ponzi scheme. It is a way of calling a tax something else so the great thicko unwashed don’t realise that they are not just paying say 23% tax but 33% tax (it’s more complex than that too). The saddest thing is that most poor soddin’ Brits actually still fall for it!

          • Lee says:

            I assume by “more complex than that” you are refering to the evil 12.8% payroll tax charged by our overlords which essentially means we actually have a 11.3% tax charge (1- 100/112.8) before it even hits the top line of our paypacket.

            So from an employer’s point of view, 40% of what it costs to pay your wages goes straight to the goverment for even a basic rate taxpayer. Although try to explain this to a standard nu-labour educated fool and watch their underused brains explode

          • Max says:

            Yes, and the rest eg fiddling about with weekly NI free allowance and treatment of higher rate tax payers etc etc. All so’s it is not actually a dead 10% (or whatever) of extra tax which even the really thick might grasp.

            I once suggested the tories come clean and scrap NI completely and start again on a combined and transparent income tax but no one ever will. The ZaNuLab McIdiots would simply scream “tories raise basic rate tax to 35%!!!” and most of the morons in the UK, including the media, would fall for that.

            My theory is that gummint (especially ZNL gummint) are actually very happy that numeracy amongst its pleb “clients” gets worse not better.

        • 381
          The Sleeper says:

          Oh my Gawd…where do you start?

  24. 53
    Where is my vote on Lisbon you lying Labour and Conservative bastards? says:

    Where is my vote on Lisbon you lying Labour and Conservative bastards?

  25. 67
    • 87
      SarahN says:

      Those quiet contemplation rooms are a con. Muslim prayers are not “quiet”.
      Mind you, there should be nothing to stop you from using one to practise your tantric sex routines – it’s religion innit? Or some very long Tibetan Buddhist chants.

      • 102
        Man on the Clapham Omnibus says:

        My personal religion requires me to sup vast quantities of ale while propped against a bar, discussing the weighty issues of the day with a bunch of similarly inclined piss-artists no-hopers.

        I feel that Ed Balls has personally discriminated against my minority beliefs by failing to install a sodding good boozer round the back of his office suite.

    • 127
      Zacs_bac says:

      If I worked there I’d be taking an unhoy stinking shit in it.

  26. 70
    Athens says:

    Obama is going to bid for the 2016 Olympics in chicago.

    Can’t we give him the 2012 games? It would save us a packet and repair the special relationship at the same time.

    • 79
      PSBR reduction delivery unit. says:

      Is it too late to hand it to France? We could go by train, and they did want it soooo badly.

      Or – keep it here, but don’t invite all the hangers on that cost so much (Eg journalists, politicians etc.)? Could save a few billion on sarnies and refreshments alone.

      • 150
        Article 38 says:

        France never really wanted it – or worked out how much it would actually cost. That’s why Chirac started slagging off other countries’ food the night before voting.

        • 245
          Tin Cunliffe-Arsely says:

          French government never worries too much about details like how much a scheme is going to cost.

    • 88
      shelling-out says:

      Seconded. Complete waste of money – and I’ll bet the final figure will be much more than Jowell has said it would be.

      • 109
        Anonymous says:

        about time the southern wankers paid their way

        • 392
          Southern Wanker says:

          We’ll put it on screens for you to watch at the works. That way you needn’t part with the whippets and make the exhausting trip down south.

      • 237
        Anonymous says:

        Has Jowels house been seized by the Met under the proceeds of crime act due to her husbands conviction , yet ? If not why not ?

  27. 73
    PM the PM says:

    Settle Down NOW. The PM is on the TV. The conference hall full and all the people cheering and laughing.

  28. 75
    Where is my vote on Lisbon you lying Labour and Conservative bastards? says:

    I am sure online whilst watching a re-run of McTwats speech to conference I saw some tumbleweed galloping away from the stage into the void of emptiness where the audience were supposed to be.

    Maybe the Pravda BBC Doctor Who special effects team are even as we speak CGI’ing the jubilant adoring crowd onto the tape.

  29. 81
    dolescum says:

    yeh but its me uman rite to have u pay for all me kids init

  30. 106
    wot abart dwayne 'n litl waynette then? says:

    oi! – oos gonna giv me grants ‘n pay me bills if monky chops goes then ?

    eh ?

    and giv me a bigga flat ?

    n fags

  31. 110
    Anonymous says:

    Mandleslime is on bbc now giving his speech. he has just said- no joking – “our car scrappage scheme has been so succesfful that the money is running out” or something like that.

    So, in a country that everyone accepts has too much debt and spending, his plan to get people to destroy working assets – their car – and to then take out more debt to finance a new asset they didn’t need and can’t afford … has been so successful the money is running out. Words fail me.

    They still do not see that it has been Gorgon’s policies for the last decade which made the economy so bad. And his current plan of spending even more than before will lead to another boom. They’re pathetic.

    • 124

      it started in korea

    • 126
      ­Phil O'Pastree says:

      No sweat, we can just borrow more money if it has run out. Or tax car owners even more.

    • 147
      Anonymous says:

      They use similar logic to work out the success of the NHS. It’s irrelevant how many people die or get treated, as long as they’ve thrown more money at the NHS than the tories did then it’s a success. That’s the labour way.

      ie their argument goes something like this:
      “The tories spent 10 quid on an NHS Toilet seat, it worked fine and lasted 10 years. They bought it at B&Q in a sale. We used PFI and got a private company to lease us a toilet seat for £500/year. This means that we therefore spent more than £5000 in the first 10 years compared to the tories. In summary this means: vote tory and they’ll kill all the doctors.”

      They’ve been using the same logic since 1997; it’s a tragedy that the electorate have been too stupid to understand how completely insane that logic is.

      • 192
        dolescum says:

        yeh but its racist init to not not spend on nhs? i lerned it in my school leson on civix and citisenship. im votin labor

    • 248
    • 254
      jgm2 says:

      Fucking jackass. Taking taxes off people on 10K a year to give to middle class people to subsidise them buying a new car just to artificially create some GDP activity which promptly gets shipped off to Korea.

      Is that what socialists mean by ‘redistribution’?

    • 303
      Moley says:

      It can go on for ever because the Government makes a “profit” on it.

      The amount of VAT paid exceeds the subsidy. Currently HMG is millions of quids in.

      • 310
        jgm2 says:

        Genius.

        • 315
          jgm2 says:

          So the poorer taxpayers really are subsidising the rich to buy new cars to preserve blue-collar jobs in Korea.

          What’s Frank Field and The Beast of Bolsover got to say about that?

          • SarahN says:

            That suits Labour just fine. They don’t want working class supporters, you either have to be ‘professional’ class apparatchiks like them, or thick-as-pigship benefits-for-generations serf class like most of their supporters.
            The thing with the working class is they have a nasty habit of getting even better off and even turning in to middle-class non-Labour types in a generation or two.

            Next thing you know, they start to question the tribal religion of their forebears: Socialism.

  32. 113
    Moley says:

    I take back what I said about Darling. He’s a complete prat too.

    His speech to the conference is in the Telegraph, I know nobody will actually want to read it, so I won’t provide a link.

    The only sense he makes is in the last paragraph which I heartily endorse.

    “We won’t allow greed and recklessness to ever again endanger the whole global economy and the lives of millions of people.”

    That would be the greed and recklessness of Labour politicians. Chancellors in particular.

  33. 114
    lolol says:

    I see Mandy is giving his Prime Ministers speech.

  34. 119
    lolol says:

    Brown looks as if he’s been on a bender (drinking) for weeks,he looks bloody rough.

    • 148
      Obama is a twat says:

      Brown’s been on benders for years. Can’t wait for the BBC to ask him that one…. oh hang on Sue Lawley did years ago on Desert Island Discs I think.

  35. 123
    Scenic says:

    As he was introduced Dennis Skinner looked at him like he had just shat on the stage

    • 130
      ­Phil O'Pastree says:

      The Beast of Bolsover gives the once over to the Bitch of Bendover.

    • 164
      Man on the Clapham Omnibus says:

      I recall a load of Parliamentary piffle when Blair and his cronies were wanking on about their ‘stakeholder society’ (remember all that load of codswallop?)

      Anyway, the Hon. member for Bolsover was overheard to remark ‘make mine a sirloin’.

  36. 128
    Master Baiter says:

    Is the crisis a result of too much regulation and too little regulation?

    Is the crisis a result of too little government interference in the economy and too much government intereference in the economy?

    Aren’t banks just lame ducks and so should be left to fail?

    That’s what George Osborne was saying twelve months ago, wasn’t it? Let’s remind everyone what Osborne was saying, how about it?

    Just asking.

    • 152
      Moley says:

      Let’s remind everybody who was running the economy.

      • 176
        Master Baiter says:

        Are you a duck?

        • 220
          Putin. says:

          Back again worthless one. Where is your Osborne quote on this subject please? Happy to accept your comment with a verifiable source,however these tend to in very short supply within your postings. In fact, it often proves difficult to find any refernces to the many claims you have made.

          PS – How did Coulsongate go for you? I seem to have missed it in the media

    • 155
      ­Phil O'Pastree says:

      The crisis is the result of having a shower of Labour twats milking the economy these last 12 years.

      Osborne has had fuck all to do with it.

      • 183
        Master Baiter says:

        In the sense that Osborne hasn’t a clue, that is correct, it had nothing to do with him.

        He does believe it is as a result of too much regulation and too little regulation though, doesn’t he?

        • 308
          Does tightening belts include Government ministers expense claims ? says:

          Lets be honest Master Wanker you are running scared arn’t you. You are all hot air and bluster.

        • 353
          Mongrel says:

          Fuck off MB. Typical Zanu either/or, omitting all sensible options. It’s not too much or too little regulation, it’s the wrong regulation, endless box-ticking and games of charades without any understanding of what the risks were. As these people say, your lot were in power for the last 12 years so they, and by extension you, are utterly discredited. Not sure Osborne is much better but he can’t be any worse, and we will soon find out when you are consigned to the obscurity you so richly deserve.

    • 171
      Engineer says:

      If the reckless banks had been left to fail, it would have saved the taxpayer about £500 billion and counting. It would have cost a lot less to allow the banks to go – and not all were dud – and then help out the innocent victims by taking the banks’ (profitable) retail arms under the wing of the Bank of England.

      • 200
        Master Baiter says:

        So what’s Osborne’s position now on the bank rescues?

        Does he know?

        What his position is?

        • 205
          Engineer says:

          Ask him, not me.

        • 227
          Putin. says:

          Try reading the Guardian:

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          Tories offer qualified support for bank rescue planShadow chancellor says his party will be ‘as constructive as possible’
          Buzz up!
          Digg it
          Andrew Sparrow, senior political correspondent guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 8 October 2008 09.09 BST Article history
          George Osborne, who described today’s move as ‘the final chapter of the age of irresponsibility’. Photograph: Peter Macdiarmid

          George Osborne, the shadow chancellor, today offered qualified support for the government’s £50bn bank rescue plan.

          He said that the Conservative party would be “as constructive as possible” in enabling the government to make its plan work.

          But he would not express total confidence that the plan would succeed, and he insisted that the money should not be used to pay bonuses to bankers’

          Jan 2009

          ‘Osborne said that there ought to be a “full, independent audit” of bank liabilities before the government agreed to provide the insurance against the loss of assets being offered under the plans unveiled today.

          He also demanded to know how much the plans would cost.

          Seems clear to me. And it seems not to have changed.

          • Master Baiter says:

            Please put in more effort when cutting and pasting.
            The comment is a mess.

            blah diddly blah diddly blah
            ad infinitum

    • 260

      > Is the crisis a result of too much regulation and too little regulation?

      Too much

      > Is the crisis a result of too little government interference in the economy and too much government intereference in the economy?

      Too much.

      > Aren’t banks just lame ducks and so should be left to fail?

      Banks are, depositors aren’t.

      It’s a pity the person who was running the economy a JG Brown didn’t understand this.

      • 271
        Master Baiter says:

        Very funny, too much regulation caused the banks to create mumbo jumbo paper cocktails spliced with unsustainable loans.

        Maybe not, in any event the consensus is that a little more regulation of investment banking and the securitisation of debt if in order.

        But who knows what the Conservitudes think on this, they’ll probably blame the unions, people with dusky skins and young mothers.

        • 285
          Engineer says:

          No. They’ll just blame the people responsible. The current government.

          • Master Baiter says:

            With that logic there is as Aunty Sit is on Juan says no need for regulation of banks, why not form a poll it ick all par tea.

            All the idiots and dimwits would vote for it.

          • Engineer says:

            So Gordon Brown and Alistair Darling are totally and utterly blameless in the bank collapse fiasco, are they? Couldn’t have seen it coming? Couldn’t have done a thing to avoid it?

          • Master Baiter says:

            The banks have been hiding what they were doing, they continue to hide what they are doing, hence the G20 meeting, on Friday. The banks are bust and awash with toxic financial instruments that will explode at any time. These facts highlight the nonsensical response of the Conservitudes.

          • Engineer says:

            What are regulators supposed to do? And who controlls the regulators? I’ll give you a clue – not the Conservatives…..

          • Susie says:

            The banks may have been hiding the situation, but the FSA was told what was going on by various whistle blowers and compliance officers, and they were sacked. In the case of the HBOS whistle blower, Paul Moore’s boss was Sir James Crosby, later Deputy Head of FSA and close advisor to Gordon Brown.

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/4592025/HBOS-whistleblower-Paul-Moore-breaks-silence-to-condemn-Crosby.html

      • 278
        tat says:

        > is anticitizen one a dick?

        > yes.

      • 294
        Raving Loon says:

        Gordon doesn’t do economics, sadly neither does Dave.

    • 338
      fedupwithbrown says:

      Ken Clarke told the press two days previous that Brown had to get his finger out and capitalise the banks. So it was the tories that saved the world after all not the ditherer Brown.

    • 349
      ­Phil O'Pastree says:

      The banks are not responsible for the outrageous levels of the nation’s debt. The sub-prime mortgage credit crunch – a separate issue so don’t lump into an all-inclusive heading of “crisis”- is almost over and those economies that were affected are recovering quickly. All, except one.

      The bankers bonuses are fucking piddly arsed numbers compared to the amounts Labour spend each week on their Turkey army.

      Osborne is the sad bastard who has to sort this mess out. I don’t envy him but at least he’s going to give it a try. He deserves Politician of the Year award that lad.

  37. 139
    Snotty says:

    Fondlebums once again has nothing to say about policy and everything about the Conservatives. Looks as though Labour is going out with a whimper.

  38. 140
    Obama is a twat says:

    Peter Fondlebum making an utter Hunt of himself right now. Attacking the Tories won’t work, they haven’t been the ones in power fucking up the economy for nearly 13 years Mandy you twat.

    • 181
      cnut says:

      It’s all Thatcher’s fault. Obviously.

    • 301
      Does tightening belts include Government ministers expense claims ? says:

      What do you mean it was not the Tories who have been in power for the last 13 Years ?? My God I was so entranced by Mandlesons sophistry that I completely forgot it was his own party who have been in Government for over a decade.

  39. 144
    James ibbo says:

    Is it me or is the Entire PLP completely removed from reality.

    Mandlesons speech is awful !

  40. 151
    Scenic says:

    “A choice between a party that lurches to the right the moment it sees the chance of doing so”

    Ermmm…

    • 159
      Moley says:

      Lurching with a sense of direction is infinitely preferable to lurching rapidly round all the points of the moral compass before falling on your face.

  41. 156
    lolol says:

    Mandy and his contradiction,we should’nt be looking at the past but the future,our achievments are blah blah blah.

    • 169
      Obama is a twat says:

      Yep canI list those achivements?

      1. Two fucking wars

      2. Robbed private pensions

      3. National debt that will take decades to pay off

      4. Suicide bombers on our streets (that’s a cracker)

      5. Broken banks

      6. 6 million unemployed

      7. Millions of fucking useless public sector scum employed

      8. Gold sold off at rock bottom prices

      That will do for starters.

      • 179
        Master Baiter says:

        How many peanuts were lost from selling off gold?

        • 193
          Obama is a twat says:

          Many

          • Master Baiter says:

            Not may, actually, but don’t let that stop the fantasists.
            What does two billion sound like?
            Is it a lot?
            In a way it is and in a way it isn’t.

            Put that alongside the great train robbery/privatisation/giveaway in the glowing embers of the Major Conservitude administration.

            Add to that all the giveaways in the Thatcher era (just ask Sid) and the giveaways that would happen in the ‘reprivatisation’ of banks if the Conservitudes get in.

            Gold! shiny, shiny, Gold!
            How the dim worship the bright.

          • Engineer says:

            Have you been at the Grotneys in the Student Union bar? Or just had a particularly satisfying emission into your Kleenex?

          • jgm2 says:

            2bn quid compared with an increase in national debt of 900bn quid is indeed peanuts.

            But then compared to 900bn quid WWII’s debt is peanuts.

          • Master Baiter says:

            UK has lower national debt as % of GDP than Japan, Italy, Germany and France.
            So yes it is a small amount.
            That is simply factual and out of keeping with the thinking on this blog.

          • Engineer says:

            National debt in 1997 £340 billion.

            National debt in 2009 £1370 billion.

          • jgm2 says:

            What? He’s quadrupled national debt in 13 years? Surely that is unparallelled economic incompetence?

            Has any other government in civilised history ever managed to match such a feat of fiscal incontinence?

          • Engineer says:

            jgm2, it is a recorded historical fact that they have not. This is indeed the most fiscally incontinent (and incompetent) government since the formation of the Bank of England in 16 hundred and something. (Can’t be bothered to look it up. Master Baiter is a student – he can do his own homework.)

          • jgm2 says:

            Engineer,

            That is indeed my understanding of Uk economic history. It is indeed difficult to see why anybody would want to make apologies for a chancellor and prime minister who, in 44 seperate budget predictions since 2002 have suprised on the upside only once, to the tune of one billion quid out of projected overspend of 900bn quid.

            Those budget figures again in billions….

            2002 11, 13, 13, 17, 18
            2003 27, 24, 23, 22, 22
            2004 37.5, 33,31,27,27, 23
            2005 34, 32, 29, 27, 24, 22
            2006 37, 36, 30, 25, 24, 22
            2007 35, 34, 30, 28, 26, 24
            2008 43, 38, 32, 27, 23
            2009 175, 173, 140, 118, 97

            Total projected = 890.5bn quid.

            And that 175 from 2009 is already looking 25 – 50bn quid shy of the truth too.

            So, in summation, incompetent, economic jackasses wouldn’t you say?

          • Master Baiter says:

            UK debt low compared to most other countries, according to IMF.

            International Monetary Fund, World Economic Outlook Database, October 2008
            General government gross debt
            Percent of GDP
            2008 2009
            Canada 60.656 58.447
            France 65.191 67.468
            Germany 76.379 76.994
            Italy 104.265 105.46
            Japan 198.601 200.927
            UK 43.389 44.323
            US 61.506 65.363

            Mwahahahaha!

          • jgm2 says:

            Engineer,

            I suppose at least despite the lies told daily by Brown and the Labour apologists it should be obvious to anybody with an IQ greater than a fish just how utterly fucked the UK is. You have really only to look at the exchange rates.

            And the projected deficit of 13% GDP. Unheard of in any country that doesn’t have green in the flag.

          • Engineer says:

            jgm2, I would say that describing them as “incompetent, economic jackasses” is rathe restrained. Criminal fucking imbeciles might be nearer the mark.

            Worth noting that at 3.5% per annum, the interest payments on the current National Debt of £1370 billion are about £43 billion per annum, and that’s before repayment of any of the capital. You could build an awful lot of schools and hospitals for £43 billion a year. Except we can’t now.

          • jgm2 says:

            Engineer,

            That’s what happens when you give the council-house mentality a whiff of the flexible friend. Before you know it their ‘consolidating all their loans into one easy monthly payment with a little left over for a holiday, an extension, or a new car’.

            Just a little extra for life’s little luxuries pet. And look! The annual payments are only 43bn quid!

            Not the sort of economic incompetent you want to let near a government though.

          • Engineer says:

            jgm2, Equally worrying that the Government’s lenders, the international money markets,, are making some rather iffy noises about the UK’s AAA rating. If they downrate us, and the money markets compensate for the increased risk of default on the loans by increasing interest rates to 5% (which they could) our annual payments go up to about £61 billion – about 18% of GDP. Even less money for public services….

          • jgm2 says:

            I don’t think HMG is too worried about a credit down-rating engineer. The same financial wizards that gave us annual deficits of 175bn quid will simply print money.

            No need to pay interest at all. They’ve already printed 175bn quid.

            What could possibly go wrong?

          • Engineer says:

            Well, I suppose if we ignore Zimbabwe-style hyperinflation, the complete trashing of the pound’s value overseas rendering us unable to pay for any imports, and consequent total social breakdown, not much really….

          • jgm2 says:

            Tut tut Engineer,

            The trick is to deny the real depth of the problem and string out this clusterfuck until the election and dump the whole sorry mess in somebody elses lap.

            30 years from now imbecile Labour apologists will be wanking furiously to their mantras of ‘Record inflation under Cameron’, ‘Record unemployment under Cameron’, ‘record interest rates under Cameron’.

            Another Billy Bragg-a-like will have wrote oh-woe-its-all-Camerons-fault type records and moved to live with the white people in Dorset or wherever a few enclaves persist.

            Tragic really.

          • Mongrel says:

            Don’t forget to add back the off-balance sheet liabilities from the PFI and banks, all guaranteed by government, plus the last 2 years’ extra borrowing on top of the numbers MB quoted. Puts us 3rd behind Japan and Italy, with no manufacturing industry to speak of, so pretty much dependent on the City, which Zanu are doing their best to destroy.

          • Mongrel says:

            I’ve just done the sums and, as usual, MB is either lying or deluding himself. 400 tons of gold were sold at $275 an ounce. Today’s price is $995. Opportunity cost therefore $10 billion, less whatever we made on the short dated gilts we bought with the money. A lot more than £2 billion.

          • Susie says:

            Beautiful jgm2. This is how it will be.

        • 197
          Engineer says:

          Currently about $750 an ounce.

        • 273
          Tin Cunliffe-Arsely says:

          Thats crap even by your standards.
          Selling off the gold is completely inexplicable.

          The Conservative sell offs are at least explicable, even to those people who hate all the logic and consequences.

          • jgm2 says:

            Plus teeing up the ‘Tories will sell off the banks cheaply’ meme.

            ‘Cheaply’ being whatever price they can get.

            We (Labour) would have doubled that price. And then some.

          • Master Baiter says:

            Selling assets to raise cash is explicable, there it is.

            The Conservitudes giveaways were multiple, go ask Sid.

            Oh, and don’t be so personal.
            It’s a sign of your pathetic weakness.

          • jgm2 says:

            Personal? Unless you are Gordon ‘the jackass’ Brown how could any of this be ‘personal’ it is mere fact.

            Admittedly ‘facts’ are something Labour apologists are unfamiliar with.

          • Tin Cunliffe-Arsely says:

            So it was all about raiding the piggy bank. But done with extreme incompetence, which benefitted nobody apart from gold traders.

            PS: I do know all about the sell offs. I was actually alive at that time.
            Quite a laugh at times, even the AA and building societies were giving away money for no discernable reason.

          • ­Phil O'Pastree says:

            Selling off the family silver is explicable but not desirable.

      • 215
        Weve got a message says:

        “Go, sing it from the mountain!”

      • 291
        Anonymous says:

        I think it should be stressed whilst our troops are getting killed protecting us from errr terrorists in foreign lands, the sucide bombers are actually home grown.Last time I looked, Leeds, Bradford, High Wickham and Paisley are not in Helmand province.

  42. 158
    tat says:

    normal service will not be resumed until you have learned your lesson.
    sit in the corner and think about your behaviour.

  43. 160
    Obama is a twat says:

    John Pinhead on Radio 5 “loves it” as you’d expect. Did he have his fucking ipod on listening to the “prodigy” of something?

    • 173
      Snotty says:

      Simon Mayo put him back in his place though by reading all of those emails from genuine members of the public!

  44. 162
    lolol says:

    The Pravda commentator is creaming is knickers over Mandy’s speech.

  45. 166
    tat says:

    I have already told you that you will not be allowed to join the group until you have moderated your behaviour.
    if you do not moderate it then it will be moderated for you.

  46. 167
    You Know It Makes Sense says:

    Flat tax 10% NOW!!!
    Tax free pay £10000 per person. Or more.

  47. 172
    Obama is a twat says:

    The BBC really do love Mandy, Thing is Simon Mayo had to admit that all the texts and emails were basically calling him a useless Hunt. Shows that John Pinhead has his cock rammed up Mandy’s arse whilst Toenails has his up Brown’s.

    • 174
      Snotty says:

      Now you beat me to it!

    • 185
      Swoon says:

      The BBC bint at the conference was positively wetting her Knickers over Mandy’s speech. If he weren’t a gayer he would be on for a shag tonight.

      • 194
        Brazil Boy says:

        he IS on for a shag tonight

      • 208
        The BBC - doing what we do best says:

        “Well Nick I think that we’ve just seen the speech of the Conference from Peter Mandelson and it certainly appears that Labour could be back on track to win the election !”

        “Yes – Jon I think that you may be right and I can say, in confidence, that senior sources within the Conservative Party are looking a bit long-faced this afternoon!”

        “So you think that David Cameron will now have to give the speech of his life to try and recover from the effect that this tremendous speech given by Peter Mandelson attacking the Tories will have on his party’s poll ratings – Nick ?”

        ” Absolutely – Jon as Peter Mandelson has said the election is now wide open and Conference has begun to pulsate with optimism. We could just – we could just – be looking at a serious upset to the Tories hopes of regaining power !”

        • 218
          Moley says:

          There is just one thing missing.

          No one was listening.

        • 264
          BBC reporter falls in love with Mandy says:

          LOL

          And as I was watching at the time I can confirm that you are not exaggerating her enthusiasm for Mandy’s speech.

          • Obama is a twat says:

            The BBC think Mandy should be PM, how deluded they are. Come next June Cameron is going to take those fucking Hunts to pieces.

          • Susie says:

            And who was this hyper BBC fag hag? Like about 99.9% of the population I didn’t bother to watch or listen.

        • 388
          SarahN says:

          Please tell me that you made that up.

        • 454
          shelling-out says:

          They couldn’t even get people to come to the Conference. There were so many empty seats. They couldn’t give the tickets away. They couldn’t even get their core voters to go.

          What does that tell you?

  48. 182
    WTF says:

    So Mandy is going to subsidise another 100,000 Korean cars.

    • 190
      It's a funny old world says:

      The “Prime Minister”gave a barnstormin’ speech to the Labour Conference – one of the first off his feet to congratulate him was Gordon Brown which Lord Mandelson was gracious enough to accept

      • 199
        Lizzie says:

        More like “barn burning”, Mandelson was pathetic, he talked more about the tories than his own party, Labour are “scared” and it is showing badly.

    • 201
      Obama is a twat says:

      Yes I’m getting fucking fed up of 90 year old fucking grey haired twats who buy those fucking dog eating shit cars then potter around the roads at 20 mph. They should be fucking publically executed for buying shit cars.

      • 207
        mad fred 2 para says:

        A firm but fair policy.

      • 214
        It's all Balls says:

        We could use caravans as gas chambers. We should also execute all those wussies who can’t overtake a car only doing 20mph :-)

        • 243
          Obama is a twat says:

          Yes but they travel in packs down here where I live, it ain’t ONE fucking dog eating car it’s a fucking family of the grey haired old bastards. They travel in packs for safety. We should be allowed to use shotguns to blow the old fuckers away.

          • Sir William Waad says:

            Oh, so it was you behind me in the pimped Citroen Saxo with the tiny blue fairy-lights, wearing a back-to-front baseball cap, eating crisps while picking your noise with your other hand and revving your engine in a hopeless attempt to drown out the thumping noises from your stereo?

          • The Sleeper says:

            As a ‘grey haired old bastard that drives his Ferrari at considerably higher speds than 20 mph..and hates fucking hoons in Mondeos/Golf GTi’s..etc….

            …I hereby object to your slur!

    • 455
      shelling-out says:

      Think of all that lovely VAT they’ll be grabbing on every new car they sell.

      What a giveaway!

  49. 186
    SO17 says:

    O/T:
    What is the point of that fat tub of lard Barroness Billingham?
    Often seen reviewing the newspapers on Sky and talking bollocks.
    A grammer school educated socialist who suprise suprise became a teacher before going into politics.Failing to get elected as an MP she became an MEP and then failed to get re elected into that post and then, whoopee doo, the Lords.
    She claimed nearly £27,000 housing allowance in the year 06/07 on top of her christ knows how much pay packet.
    Her performances on Sky show her to be an ignoramus of the highest degree.
    Why should I bother to work doing a ‘Useful’ job and have to fight for a reasonable wage when this country requires me to have to carry her fat arse?

    • 206
      Obama is a twat says:

      Would you let her sit on your face?

      • 223
        SO17 says:

        Metaphoracly speaking she IS.
        And doing a big fart as well.

      • 226
        TV Review Dept. says:

        Her family have personal experience of swine flu – so she said once – but other than that she’s of no interest whatsover (except her connection with Derek Skinner – I think).

        • 265
          SO17 says:

          I had a phone call from Dennis Skinner whome I thought would be a trust worthy politician.
          I raised with him my belief that the Land Registry is a corrupt outfit in need of reform after it had fucked me over in a Planning dispute.
          His advice,
          ‘Leave it son.Some things are just too big to take on’
          Beast of Bolsover, I have shit him.

  50. 188
    That's Democracy says:

    Yes indeed, times are hard. We’ve all got to tighten our belts, etc. Except for the Monarchy, of course, who are to received a 39 million pound increase this year. That’s democracy, folks.

    • 212
      mad fred 2 para says:

      And your point is what, exactly?

    • 225
      Anonymous says:

      Long as we have a King or Queen there can be no President Blair/Brown/Cameron – any amount of money is a small price to pay for that.

      Though Blair of course might become President by other means. What do other readers think about the Czech President perhaps holding up lisbon ratification to let Cameron hold the referendum? Wonder if that will upset the backroom deal allegedly done to let Blair become President of Europe with Mandlescum promising to keep McMental in office until Autumn?

      Love the European leaders lining up to denounce the delay. Can’t have voters given the chance to express their opinion. Now that’s democracy!

    • 255
      Article 38 says:

      Good point. We should round it up to £50M

      Still a bargain given the income the government gets from the Crown Estates – and still cheap thanks to the tireless efforts of HMQueen and her family.

      • 375
        ­Old Codger says:

        As if a Presidency would cost nothing. We have a head of state to be proud of.

        • 387
          Article 38 says:

          Exactly. President Blair and Consort Cherie (for example) wouldn’t exactly offer their services for nothing – and given the left’s track record on nepotism it would end up being hereditary as well.

  51. 191
    The Pink 'Un says:

    Gay Fawkes?

  52. 196
    Lizzie says:

    Mandelson speech was very “strange”. At times he became very “shrill” like a fishwife standing on the dockside, his “boy George” moment was really pathetic. Funniest thing is that this is a man who has asked the Conservative party for a job if they get into government, very funny way to go about it, slagging off your potential new boss and his party. All governments are judged on their past not what they will do in the future, so Labour are screwed and he is scared to face it, and is making up “political fairy stories” to try and convince the public that Labour have the best ideas, he must think we are all stupid!

    • 210
      Obama is a twat says:

      He had a vibrating rubber replica of Gorgon’s cock up his arse and Gorgo had the remote, didn’t you see Gorgo grin every time Mandy’s voice went up?

  53. 198
    mad fred 2 para says:

    “Mandelson speech was very “strange”. At times he became very “shrill” like a fishwife standing on the dockside”

    Probably the new wide diameter butt plug he had inserted shortly before mounting the platform.

    What a tired old queen Mandy looked – & the rhetoric is old class war – except it does not kinda work after 12 years of troughing & becoming a multi millionaire on the public ticket, like Mandy.

    Tired, old, queen. No bit left in that dog – why we give him such repsect his beyond me.

    • 232
      Obama is a twat says:

      The BBC LOVE HIM, literally I hear.

    • 249
      Master Baiter says:

      “No bit left in that dog – why we give him such repsect his beyond me.”

      Out of reach!

    • 250
      Anonymous says:

      Camera kept showing that socialist Stalwart Kinnochio, another Labour Millionaire, bloated on the public purse !!!

    • 287
      backwoodsman says:

      mf2,
      “We” don’t give him respect , its just that the bbc always forgets to mention that his serial mortgage fraud etc, is a lot more serious than archer lying about who he shagged, which funnily enough the bbc always seems to mention when dodgy peers are on topic.

    • 404
      ­Phil O'Pastree says:

      Mandy is doing a sterling quisling job of keeping Broon in power thus guaranteeing a Tory landslide. For that he deserves a nice little position in Europe and I am sure that that is his selfish notice.

  54. 202
    Fanatsico Stimulosos says:

    Labour conference in Channel 9 Scorchio mode

    Spanish PM: “Tory bambino tapas”

  55. 203
    mad fred 2 para says:

    “bite”

  56. 211
    NewsLion says:

    will there be comentary on Gordon’s Speech?

    http://newslion.blogspot.com/

  57. 257
    Anonymous says:

    Smellie policeman charged with G20 assault:

    http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8279001.stm

  58. 267
    Anonymous says:

    Can I suggest a real vote winning Policy would be a tired old Government scrapage Scheme. call an election

  59. 268
    Sir William Waad says:

    Their Liberals want to cut taxes, encourage the better-off to have children and prmote free markets. Our Liberals want to tax everything to death, make fun illegal and recycle toenail clippings. We just can’t do liberalism, it seems. Are we becoming anhedonic?

    • 464
      Jethro says:

      …and there was I thinking the pills were Anodynes: now, with my glasses on, I see they’re Anhedonics! Pharmacist! I want some little blue pills, please, and a cylinder of laughing-gas, and I’ll try some of that ‘E’ I hear so much about, and… then, I’m off to the Butcher, for a great slab of Steak, the Offy for some St. Emilion, and then…

  60. 277
    jgm2 says:

    Kin’ell Guido.

    Government.

  61. 279
    NewsLion says:

    Gordon Browns speech in short; waffle waffle waffle, we can win, waffle.

    Then the one person in the room gets up and leaves Gordon to give the rest of the speech to an empty room.

    http://newslion.blogspot.com/

  62. 284
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    ‘left wing SPD’? – do me a favour.

    Once the Germans feel the effects of this new government there’ll be fighting in the streets.

  63. 286
    NewsLion says:

    Justice spokesman for Switzerland is called Guido Balmer.

    You are every where, whats up with that Guido?

    http://newslion.blogspot.com/

  64. 295
    P1 says:

    O/t – Quiet day in whitehall today – may be Homer at the Border’s Agency is re-tuning her investigation into Scotland, and may be, just may be, Scotland is tidying her desk. We can only hope.

  65. 299
    Anonymous says:

    “Scrappage scheme to be extended”

    “Car output falls 31.5% in August”

    So it must have been a massive success then.

    Subsidising a specific portion of the private sector because lots of its employees belong to a lefty union which gives your party money.

    Lovely. That makes me so happy.

    • 318
      jgm2 says:

      That’s probably true of UK car output. The Koreans are likely most grateful for the artificial boost in demand.

  66. 307
    Peter says:

    Just watched Liebor Conference on BBC News Channel –

    McShame is such an obnoxious cretin – his lights I will willingly punch out – there aren’t many – but he’s so awful – real hatred – how does he do it?

    • 319
      Obama is a twat says:

      Labour have a load of shits like McShane, McNulty, Mandelson, The Millipeade sistas, fucking me if you turned up there with a flamethrower you wouldn’t know where to start!
      But ‘McShame’ is a Hunt of the finest quality.

      • 331
        Peter says:

        Thanks – I’m so angry

        Speaking of McNulty – how long does it take to sort out his theft from the Public Purse? Baroness S – just a few days!

        I’m going to calm down on the moors!

        Cheers

      • 361
        DelBoy says:

        Can someone please enlighten me on the full definition of a Hoon? I is struggling to keep up on this. Sewiouswy.

        • 394
          Obama is a twat says:

          Try typing TNUC into your comment backwards.

        • 414
          Sir William Waad says:

          ‘Hoon’ is:

          (a) an Australian slang word for a yob;

          (b) a former Minister of Defence, spiv and Premier League trouger;

          (c) this blog’s euphemism for the vagina.

    • 333
      Geordie Boy says:

      I agree about McShane but I find Browne equally repulsive. The good news is that boundary changes have added people who actually work for a living to the benefit chasers who usually make Browne’s reelection a foregone conclusion. The word is that he’s shitting himself that he might have to look for work more commensurate with his abilities after the election. The local Asda is looking for someone to collect discarded trolleys.

  67. 321
    Obama is a twat says:

    I hear he’s doing a part time job working in a Pharmacy. Apparently he keeps having to send pills to someone called “One Eye” in London.

    • 447
      Susie says:

      Just thought of a great job starting June 2010 for the bastard…, It was your One Eye, London that made me think of it… we could rig up an all weather tumbrel and he could turn the London Eye and save emissions until he kicks the bucket, then it would be Fondlebum’s turn and so on until every hoon has paid back to the tax payer in tourist £ notes what they owe.

      Always reminded me of a hamster with his weird jowl movements.

    • 465
      Jethro says:

      …so that’s what is meant by ‘The London Eye’!
      There was ignorant me, thinking it meant a pointless extravagance that just went pointlessly round and round, on and on, never getting any where.

  68. 339
    Max says:

    His turn next week. That’s how they do “conference season”.

  69. 340
    Anonymous says:

    The security at this years Labour party conference has been compromised comrades. What were you thinking about alowing that Lady to continue knitting through our leader in waitings speech this afternoon !!!
    What is the point in passing anti terror legislation when you refuse to use it on people like her. If such behaviour is tolerated she and others like her will start shouting “Rubbish” and such like.
    You have been warned dont let it happen again.

  70. 341
    Moley says:

    He knows very well that the TV coverage of the Labour conference could be relabeled,

    “A Party Political Broadcast on behalf of the Conservative Party”.
    Pravda coverage included.

    Sometimes silence is the best policy; events speak for themselves.

  71. 347
    Anonymous says:

    Come on, admit it. You really just like him because you’ve found someone else called Guido.

  72. 349
    Snotty says:

    Tom Watson – “Blair should come on the campaign trail if he fancies it”

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

    What makes him think Blair would want to go and do a stupid thing like that when he’s earning £150k+ for after dinner speaches!

    • 358
      mad fred 2 para says:

      He could, but he is close to his 90 day non dom tax scam.

      The last thing Blair wants is to pay income tax to McMental.

      • 370
        jgm2 says:

        If he’s going the Irish passport route he may have a little domicile set up there. In which case, in common with most of Europe, it’s a 180 day rule.

    • 359
      jgm2 says:

      You will know Brown has finally swallowed any pride he has left when he allows Blair on the campaign trail.

    • 400
      Obama is a twat says:

      Tom Watson is yet another C.U.N.T in the Liebour party.

    • 420
      The EUSSR Poliburo says:

      Why would Blair want to be associated with a loser ? He’s lent Gordon his “Consigliere” Peter after all but he’ll be wanted back when the Presidential Campagn starts after the Irish Vote “Yes” on Sunday. What more does Brown expect ? Loyalty ? When was Brown EVER loyal to Blair ?

  73. 357
    streamfisher says:

    Guido you little tinker, just when the the eyes of the World are on us, or rather the eyes of a cold dead fish.

  74. 373
    jgm2 says:

    He’s going to appear in Afghanistan in the middle of the Maximum Imbecile’s speech and grab all the headlines.

    • 401
      Cassandra King says:

      “maximum imbecile” Yet again you come up with the goods, how do you do it?
      Mind you I laughed so hard I spilt my cofee(damn you)!

      Keep up the good work.

  75. 380
    It's all Balls says:

    MB’s gone quiet – have they opened the bars in Brighton?

  76. 382
    Guido Westerwelle says:

  77. 403

    In my ignorance I always assumed that Alois Schicklgruber was the first openly gay German leader – those outrageous jodhpurs, the huge epaulettes and of course the peaked leather cap replete with chain being the outward and none-too-subtle clues.

  78. 413
    AnonymousSource says:

    Whatever Cameron says this week will be swamped by wall to wall coverage of the Labour Conference by the BBC and other media.
    And as Labour are doing such a good job of talking themselves into defeat despite the shrill fish wife sketch by Mandelson exhorting the comrades to fight fight the tories I say let ‘em

    Cameron will be on the box next week and the Conservative Conference being the last it will also be the last Conference that the electorate remember so no sweat. Cool heads;total comittment to destroying Brown and Labour’s creditability at every stage and keep reminding the electorate what a slimy, untrustworthy toad Mandelson really is and take nothing for granted until we’ve counted the votes and won the seats !!

  79. 415
    Capone says:

    If the labour government names were Capone ,Caruso,Cappelli,Gambino and Columbo.
    All the country would be up in arms with their policies they would probaly be in prison.
    Alas it isn’t so pity.

  80. 418
    Anonymous says:

    The German FDP are Neo – Thatcherite not like the sops in the UK Liberal Democrats. Just look at one of the lib dems websites and you can see they love the NAZI EU and all it stands for in terms of curtailing individual freedoms. The EU was NAZI inspired when they knew they could not rule us by force – they choose another route instead to govern us. The lib dems are not actually liberals either by the way! They are pretty much Social Democrats in terms of economic policy and Stalin in terms of civil liberties despite the spin but hide behind the Liberal name.

    Here is one of the LD websites i mean:
    http://tinyurl.com/yd7y235

  81. 432
    Obama is a twat says:

    Fuck me the BBC 6PM news is like a throwback to the old Soviet days, the only thing missing was the music to go with the images of the glorious leader (that being Mandy not McDemented pill popper)

    And yes we are funding another 100,000 cars from the nation that likes a nice Alsation for lunch.

  82. 437
    john says:

    You’d always be smiling if you wore a butt plug all day.

  83. 442
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    How about Brown sacks Scotland in the middle of the Tory conference?

  84. 450
  85. 453
    mungle says:

    But they aren’t they better placed than we are to contemplate tax cuts?

  86. 459

    [...] FDP have had their best showing in decades on a pro-business, tax-cutting manifesto driving the Social Democrats out of the government. Most [...]

  87. 466
    ron Vibentrop says:

    I’m surprised that Clog hasn’t congratulated the FDP’s Guido and Frau Mercurial, after all it’s bratwursts all round for the sausage jockeys. Maybe it’s the dollop of mustard that is making him wince.



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