UKBA Want to Know the Truth About the Missing Passport
Guido has established that the passport found in the UK Border Agency raid on Lolo’s flat was expired long before Lolo got her job with Baroness Scotland. There is quite simply no way that she could have used that passport to prove anything to the Baroness. The UKBA raid found the documents as described in Lolo’s interview in the Mail on Sunday.
What does this mean? It means that so far no evidence has been uncovered to support Patricia Scotland’s claim that she saw a valid passport – obviously if the passport existed and she had taken a copy of it she would have been in the clear. Noticeably in the earliest comments briefed to the press there was no mention of a passport, “She hired Ms Tapui in good faith and saw documents which led her to believe that Ms Tapui was entitled to work in this country”. Later in the week when investigators from the UKBA interviewed the Attorney General informally, not under caution, she claimed to have seen a passport. That is her line with the press now.
The Sunday papers have all been spun the same line
A spokeswoman for Scotland said she had given the same details to the UK Border Agency when they interviewed her, adding: “They completely accepted our version of events.”
Privately UKBA investigators don’t entirely accept Lady Scotland’s version of events without reservation, which is why they have been trying, without success so far, to establish with the Tongan High Commission in London whether or not a second subsequent passport for Lolo had been issued. As yet they have been unable to establish conclusively the truth of Lolo’s claim that she has never applied for a second passport.
Consider the implications: if, as Lolo claims, she did not have a second passport it would mean that for the Baroness to be telling the truth, Lolo would have had to presented her with a false forged passport. Forged passports do not come cheap, demand from drug traffickers, terrorists and other criminals ensures that the black market in passports commands high prices. How would a cleaner applying for a £6 per hour job afford to obtain a forged passport? If Lolo is telling the truth than the Baroness has possibly lied to investigators from the UK Border Agency.
The only alternative explanation which would support Lady Scotland’s story is that Lolo did in fact obtain a second passport from the Tongan High Commission in London or from the issuing authority in Tonga. She could then feasibly have faked a permission to stay stamp in the passport. The UKBA investigation is going to find out the truth this week. If there is in fact no second passport (the raid of course did not find one) we will be expected to believe the assertions of the Attorney General, despite there being no evidence to support her assertions. We will be expected to believe that Lolo had the ability, finances and motivation to obtain a forged passport merely to get a minimum wage cleaning job. Does that make more sense than the reason the Baroness did not make a copy of the passport is that there simply wasn’t a passport to copy?
The Baroness better hope the Tongan authorities uncover a second passport application…
UPDATE : In the comments the question is posed as to why the UKBA determined and issued a fine so fast. The simple answer is they were under tremendous political pressure. The fine was half the maximum £10,000 because the Baroness had “cooperated”. Summary justice in 36 hours is amazing.
Just so we’re clear. This wasn’t the “sleepless night” “scoop” was it?
Jimmy, I know you have been on tenterhooks. That is presumably why you are here first?
I’m waiting for the scoop. Any idea when you’ll be able to publish it?
You clearly have reading difficulties. Try again.
You said you’d blog it when you were back. I assume you’re back, so is this the big story? No need to get tetchy.
Christ, I mentioned this (here) when this whole sad sorry story came about.
Why has it taken until now for people to realise, that “not a lady Scotland” said she definitely saw the documents but forgot to photocopy them.
I say again, if she saw them then they existed and if they don’t exist then she lied.
If they existed why were they not at the home when it was raided?
Why should the illegal worker take steps to hide the passport, but leave the other passport at home?
Clearly the Baroness received preferential treatment. A businessman with a similar excuse, that employed somebody at below the market rate, would no doubt have been arrested and questioned under caution, pending the outcome of a proper investigation. After all, they may have committed the offence of knowingly employing the illegal worker and been at risk of a 2 year stretch.
So if the Baroness was not interviewed under caution – why not. It is clearly one rule for them, and another for us.
Like Mr Fawkes sais: Why was she dealt with by UKBA within 36 hours? A bit quick for any justice or investigation.
I think it must have been because of the intense pressure brought to bear by the Sunlight Centre
More like government pressure. This is getting messy and sordid. She really should have resigned while she had the chance.
jimmy,
it is clear that your crackdealer wasn’t in when you went round to score your rocks and that is why you are clucking like a crackhead bitch and coming here to moan like a motherfucker.
never mind whingeing at Guido, the only solution for your predicament is for you to stop smoking crackcocaine jimmy.
stop taking the crack jimmy you dopey ignorant c’unt.
I am trying my best to help and will not stop harranging you until you get clean.
note to the labour party: stop supplying jimmy with crack cocaine to post here you bastards. you are ruining his life you fucking wankers.
Jimmy if u cant score crack I understand that some baking soda can be useful, Now fuck off u labour troll
Either:
1. Scotland did not look at any passport – and lied that she had
2. Scotland looked at a pasport that was out of date and did not allow the cleaner to work in this country – so she is incompetent, or
3. Scotland was shown a forged passport – unlikely given the context
Which of these alternatives would allow her to sleep soundly?
She gets fined either way. I doubt if it were me I’d remember what I saw at this stage. So what?
bit more than that now …jimmyboy …pay attention
You wouldn’t remember seeing a gaudy passport like that Tongan one?
I would have thought that all those bright colours might have engaged even your attention.
The simplest answer is that Scotland simply did not think the law applied to her. Once it was clear that it did she had to lie her way through. She may do a Blears and resign to take the shine off Brown’s rousing conference speech – he is going to deliver a rousing conference speech isn’t he Jimmy the SPAD?
Harriet Harman gives her opinion on the situation
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This is all I have to say.
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but your not the attorney General are you Jimmy, unless….you fucking are !!!!!!
Lol!
GUIDO YOU MUST RAISE YOUR GAME.
We are talking about the UK’s Attorney general and her servant. A servant who is free to roam the Attorney general’s home asc she pleases. This is little to do with passports and visas and ALL TO DO WITH NATIONAL SECURITY.
What if Alchy Ada tried the same scam?
Hope you enjoyed your picnic Guido. While Gordon is still one sandwich short of his.
He’s also a few delegate short of a conference! Do you think he’s a ‘hall half-full’ or a ‘hall half-empty’ sort of person?
more like a wake than a conference
…or just the wrong sized hall perhaps?
A phonebox would have done.
All the action is in the hotels with the plotting and the nametaking
…and the pitching and catching…
@Bye Bye Brown 9:04pm-Welcome to the hotel avugotaformonyer
Such a lovely place
Such a lovely face
Plenty of room at the hotel avugotaformonyer
Any time of year, you can find it here Hotel Avugottaformonyer
Indeed.
Maybe Scotland really an expensive forged passport, the only reason someone like a cleaner would have one is if someone else with the resources (i.e. a foreign power) wanted the cleaner in place to spy.
Either Scotland’s lying and never saw a passport, or she was playing fast and loose with national security.
Or it was an attempt at a shake-down.
I don’t believe that for one moment.
BS though she was getting a good deal – way below the local rate.
AJC
Now we’re getting somewhere.
I prefered the lesbian orgy conspiracy theory myself. Nu Labour scandals are now so fucking common that they rarely shock anymore, Next level dwarf sex !
The Tonga woman is a member of the secret services and this was a undercover test at security. The Serb connection is interesting.
Exactly the point I made earlier – how come someone applying to work in the home of a Government Minister( let alone one such as the Attorney General who must by definition have confidential papers in her possession)be allowed to start work immediately following a job interview without positive vetting for security purposes ? In addition surely as part of that process there should be copies of the relevant documentation taken.Blow employment laws and whether the “tongan” was legally able to work in the UK – we’re talking about possible breaches of security or is there actually no vertting system in place for the vetting of employees of government ministers and that those employees(who apparently have been contacted off a “community web site” as someone looking for work and presumably haven’t actually been vetted by anyone at that moment in time) then have the run of the premises and presumabaly door keys to the property as well. In addition surely the Baroness should have heard alarm bells ringing if someone she’d never met,didn’t know and had doubtful identification then also suddenly agreed to work for £2 ph below the going rate – Christ almighty Lady Scotland is supposed to be the UK’s Chief Law Officer and seems to have fuck all security training or sense whatever other qualities she may possess.
The Prime Minister in conjunction with the Cabinet secretary has responsibility for matters of national security and to my mind this matter has now exceeded the matter of an “overstayer” seeking work but rather the whole process of ensuring Ministers employ persons who are not possible terrorists or who could be a danger to them and the state. Brown should immediately contact Sir Gus O’Donnell and instigate a proper investigation
We are supposedly at a heightened state of security or does THAT also only apply to we “plebs” and NOT Ministers of the Crown. ?
Rem acu tetigisti, imho.
You don’t really believe all that rubbish about Al Queda do you. I thought it only stood for a database held by the CIA and not a real group of terrorists?
The Quran predates the CIA so while Al Queda may not be kosher, Jihadis unfortunately are as our poor army finds out on a daily basis now.
She isn’t the UK Attorney General. She is England’s AG
How sad a life must poor Jimmy have? Reduced to spending hours constantly refreshing his screen just so he can be first to post a witty retort.
I tell you, these crack dealers have a lot to answer for…
I trust the incoming Tory government will provide the support and comfort this poor wretch so clearly needs.
May I just ask two questions please… what the fuck is supposed to be the illness Boon has, apart from the obvious] and…. what pills is he supposed to be taking? PLEASE PUT ME OUT OF MY MISERY.
hahah, got her. now fuck off you slimy Hoon baroness
That’s nothing. Guido’s sitting on some more information that is going to cause her a sleepless night. You’ll see.
Jimmy,
You are just another Labour Troll.
Be a good chap and bugger off now.
Why? This site is non-partisan you know.
Sez who?
The Lib/Lab/Cons are the scum of the earth but they all get plenty of fan mail on here.
One kind word about the Party that cannot Be Named and your post disappears pronto.
Modding in 5, 4, 3…..
Dissent from the Tory Party line is strictly Verbotten!!!
It is non partisan , on the one hand we have posters who see through the matrix of lies pedled by this dying administration and on the other we have arseholes who will not admit defeat even when the countries c unting economy is well and truely c unted by the Government.
I take it that you are being the Baroness, four square, young James?
What I do in my spare time is my business.
Cleaning, Toilets?
In a manner of speaking.
well, whatever your job is jimmy: you’re shit!
Jimmy,
It’s obvious that your main function on this blog is to make Thick as Thieves look like an intellectual.
He’s clearly not cut out for the “hearts and minds” stuff and I’m not sure the sneering is too successful either.
jimmy, why are you posting as anonymous?
you are a creepy crackhead coward jimmy.
innit.
It’s becoming increasingly clear that the Baroness has been lying through her teeth.
And Gordon is four square behind her.
That’s because he recognises one of his own (and I don’t mean Scottish)
Yes well he has, as the saying goes, painted himself into a corner.
He has given her his wholehearted support , silly man. If he now is forced to sack her – what does that make him look like??
Nell, does the word begin with c?
It makes him look like the immoral ****wit he is, Nell.
He has looked like something wit a small ‘c’ for years, it’s the 25% that disconbobulate me
The Enemy Class thinks it is now in the End-Game of tyranny-imposition. Its members believe – with much justification we must admit! – that they can bamboozle, obfucuscate, lie barefaced, and walk roughshod over even “their” own “laws”, although mentioning Law and GramscoFabiaNzis in the same sentence might be thought a bit oxymoronic.
We hjave been too soft for too long on evil, wicked, very focused and clever epople who mean to destroy this civiisation and replace it with one consisting of a few thousand Lords brutalising millions of helots. Britain as I always maintain has been specially singled out for exemplary punishment.
It’s no use talking glibly and humorously about lamp-posts and piano-wire – they know we’d not do that – at least not yet. We must begin to be publicly hard on these people, and lay out what their (living) future would be under a llibertarian polity.
We must state what we’d do with their departments, their pensions, and their hard disks.
The lizards are knocking at the back door.
Yeah I think this bloke is getting David Icke confused with David Davis.
“For those of you watching in black & white…”
“….with Brown in the pocket and Balls all over the place, Mandy is going for the clearance….”
A good crap, do you mean?
David, I agree with you. They don’t take any notice. Example-Iraq war demonstrations, etc. International signees to war crimes law don’t press for war crimes: Refusal of entry to countries, arrest, etc. They know that the ultimate leaders are bankers-not politicians. They can get away with it. Up until now there was no possibility that minority, decent politicians could be elected in any number. This has changed and we must vote according to concience at the next GE. It is our last chance saloon to get the government and leadership we deserve. My biggest concern is that the Irish vote NO and that means we ebnd up with the Tories again. Same old same old. If the Irish vote Yes, then UKIP, etc could have a meaningful leverage at the next election on our future.
The Labour party – the gift that keeps on giving …
….The gifthorse I’d like to twitch
…rather like one of those faux auctions where you get duped into thinking you’ll get something great, then pay over a load of money to receive worthless rubbish in return.
Gilts, do you mean?
It’s nothing new. The ruling class get the fun and the rest get the muck and bullets.
… it’s the siiime the ‘ole world over, it’s tha pooorrr what get’s the bliiime, it’s the rich wot get’s the pleasure. ain’t it all a bleedin’ shiiimme…
Gor blimey
hey ken, i always thought you were a shit shoveller, it said so in my files
Libertarians make up the majority. However libertarians are as divided between all political parties, as they can possibly get. Libertarianism is not a dogma or an ideology, it is a generalized way of thinking. Which is the main reason why I am generally happy to describe myself as a conservative leaning Libertarian.
However libertarianism was conceived, and is still being subverted, and financed by the exact same groups of people, that did, and are still doing the exact same things with conservatism, liberalism and socialism.
These people own all the clubs, players, referees, leagues, and write the rule book.
Which is why they are so wonderfully accurate at predicting the result of the match, and making several perfectly vast fortunes, being able to do so.
The really clever bit is, without the fans, the referees, the players or the club chairman, knowing the full facts of the case. Which although not easy, is much easier then at first it may seem.
It is hard enough trying to get even one person to admit they have been a simply minded cretin all of their adult life, and not the socio-economic-political guru that they always believed they were. The rest don’t care, as they lost faith before even knowing what faith means, or know bugger all anyway. Therefore trying to convert a majority of a dialectically aliened politically active population to their collective true reality, even given the power of the internet, and a close to an infinite amount of time, is effectively IMPOSSIBLE.
Fully overcoming a lifetimes worth of brainwashing, usually takes long bouts of one-to-one type professional help. Why would any still sane person want to put themselves through a mental breakdown simply for the truth? Much better to just keep turning up to the fixed match, week after week, pathetically waving the old teams incredibly overpriced, and constantly changing colours. In the usually vain hope of winning a piece of silverware, that they will never be allowed to so much as lay a finger on.
If it is not on the 9 O’clock, it may very well have happened, but it might as well NOT have done, for all that the establishment plans on doing about it. Which by well observed experience, will be an absolute ZERO.
He who controls the present controls the past. He who controls the past, controls the future. But if he, and his clients also utterly controls all ends of the mass media, one way or another. Then quite frankly, we are all down SS type Shit Ally, without so much as a Batman or Robin in sight.
Where are the Super-Heroes when you really need one? Silly question really, because as I hope we all know by now, not only has Santa not ever existed, neither have Super-Heroes.
The important thing to remember is that the people who are currently controlling just about everything of consequence, have been doing so for a substantial amount of decades before any of our grandparents were conceived.
you are definitely taking too much acid atlas.
gimme a hit dude…
… far out (etc)
you really do work for micrsoft !
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Sleeping dick!
Sleeping Dyke !
I love watching lying politicians wriggle. Not that I would dream of accusing the Noble Lady of lying.
terminolgoical inexactitude. Go get her Guido.
If Guido is correct, the UKBA have some questions to answer too. Why did they issue a statement and determine the amount of the fine if they were not satisfied with what they had been told and inquiries were still underway?
Spot on.
Also, is there much of a market in Tongan black-market passports? Not exactly easy to pass yourself off as being of Tongan stock, is it?
Agreed I can’t see too many people wanting to purchase a forged Tongan passport. Looks to me like the Attorney General has been caught out. Her only hope if that the Tongan Embassy confirm that the cleaner has renewed her passport.
Would you beleive them? I wouldn’t
I’m calling them right now
That’s a very important question for the Baroness to answer: ‘Was the passport you saw Tongan?’ I imagine it would be very difficult to get a forged Tongan passport, compared to a forged British one which would carry with it implicit right to work in the UK (and not require any visa stamps from the Immigration & Nationality Directorate).
The statement from the baroness never even said that the passport she saw belonged to the maid. The option is open that she saw the husband’s passport, of course …
It was a very cleverly drafted statement …
Derren Brown working for the dark side?
The Daily mail indicated that the Baroness said last night she saw a passport but wasnt sure if it was Tongan or not and she had nothing further to add. I would say that was enough to have her bang to rights anyway under her law but in NuLabourtellytubby land apparently not.
As a poster has already mentioned you could hardly miss a Tongan passport if you saw one.
Posters, fantastic idea, print little propoganda stickers of your choice, and stick them everywhere, train adshel etc
You cud probably buy one down camden market along with a few rocks !
Even easier to obtain an old style but still valid Italian or Portuguese ID card. A 4 year old could forge those, a 6 year old could counterfeit one. You can buy them for about £50 I believe and unless you happen to have a UV light, laser and knowledge of forgery techniques then you could be taken in.
I’d have thought someone like The Attorney General would have had someone inspect the document properly though..she has the means, unlike others……. who would cop for the full 10 grand
10. vv- Why would she need a forged Tongan passport – she was a Tongan citizen whose passport had expired – she could legitimately apply to the Tongan High Commission in London for a renewal. No problem – so why would she seek a forged passport at , as Guido has pointed out, huge expense which she couldn’t afford?
nell, to be clear
- I think it it extremely unlikely that there would be a forged Tongan passport available in London
- she either has a valid replacement passport (which she denies) or an expired proper Tongan passport
- I just don’t believe the A-G saw ANY passport
- so it is my belief that she is lying and that the Prime Minister knows it, but has decided (for whatever reason) to tough it out – regardles sof the damage it will do him and his party.
I don’t agree with guido about cleaners not being able to get a forged passport as they are too common to be that expensive. I would expect half the foreign cleaners in London have one. What I’ve never seem (or heard of) is a false Tongan passport. Assuming that the baronness really did say she had met the Tongan attorney general, then she must have known she was Tongan, no other passport would do.
Obama might
I was mistaken for a member of the Samoan delegation at the 1997 Commonwealth Heads of Government Conference, where I was in fact doing some contract work for the Foreign Office.
I’m a fairly chunky bloke with a tan, but was quite surprised ;o)
So yes, I could probably pass as a Tongan in the right light!
Scotland has lied and needs to go – simples!
She was guilty of not keeping records. Whether she saw a passport or not doesn’t alter that fact. The passport issue is now to do with whether she is fit for office. But she’s well up to the standard of a normal labour twat though.
If she is guilty of lying this is a whole new ballgame.
‘Ear, stop messing about, just send her down….
What do you mean ‘if’?
The issue now is one of whether the Attorney General deliberately lied to the UKBA. She should have been sacked for breaking the law which she helped ram through the Lords, but if there is no second passport (which clearly it seems there is not), then Baroness Scotland is guilty of lying to officialdom, pure and simple! She should not be in office now, but she cannot possibly remain in office if demonstrated to have lied like that.
Yes, I know Brown tells porkies all the time, but there is a difference between a politician lying to the media and an attorney general lying to officials from the UKBA to save her job!
Look at who is in charge of the UKBA.
She isn’t likely to charge another labour lawbreaker.
I wonder which Home Office minister applied pressure on the UKBA to act swiftly and try to bury the worst of the scandal. Was it Postman Pat or was it the Straw Man?
Then again and more likely it was mandy – and he, of course, has past experience of that sort of thing doesn’t he.
Of course it was Mandy.
As Nixon famously said: “Its not the crime that gets you, its the cover up”.
Tongan High Commission passport issuing department – busy department at the best of times!
So a Tongan passport doesn’t last more than five years or is the stamp that ran out? This cleaner was here five years and she got the passport and money to travel to UK from her family in Tonga. Five years ago. So the passport hasn’t run out unless it does after five years-right? However; if it does run oout after five years and the tongan embassy say she did aapply for another one then they will have a recent passport photo to accompany the application. So it can’t be forged presumably?
Hmmm. She may have had a ten year passport issued while in Tonga. And that passport may have already been in her possession for five years before she applied for a visa. That gets rid of your first premise. And the second, that a passport/visa stamp cannot be forged is false too.
I meant that the tongan embassy would need a passport photo to forge a new passport to clear the BS
In which case it wouldn’t be a forgery it would be a genuine issue. I fail to see your point. Are you implying a sovereign nation would issue a Tongan passport to get the UK governmemt out of a hole? To be honest it wouldn’t surprise me but I think it unlikely. It would imply that the Foreign Office leant on the government of Tonga which for me is getting into tin foil hat territory.
It wasn’t her passport, it was the student visa which had run out — she then paid a Russian (?) £180 who said he could get around the hold up with the HO — she assumed he’d cut through red tape, but actually he’d got a a forges visa for her — which had also run out by the time she was interviewed by Scotland.
Totally bonkers. Shows how crap the HO is in not deporting over-stayers, how crap the visa system is. Basically, if you can afford the plane fair you’re in the UK for as long as you like.
If she paid for a faked russian visa in her old passport, then why didn’t she get it in the supposedly “new” passposrt?
I don’t think the Baroness was paying her enough.
too bleeding complicated for me
I’m getting a headache which is probably their intention.
Perfect timing to distract everybody away from the potential disaster that will be the Labour Part this week. Also interesting to note that the A-G has not taken part in any interviews on this matter. Hiding behind tax payer funded spokes persons who are lying on her behalf whilst she runs for cover.
She’s had a bloody good role model.
There aren’t enough of them we are told
This was the missing link…how the hell could there have been any relevant documents to see, when this Tongan lady freely admits she overstayed and in addition the documentation from the Home office etc would be time stamped.
The Tongan Passport might become a side issue, as pressure could always be brought to bear to say that there was one, perhaps bribes with Aid etc. The Home office itself, however, would have documentation relevant to this lady, so where’s that then, or was that a supposed forgery like the Tongan Passport.
Those whom ZanuLab wish to destroy they do by smear, well perhaps a shiny light on their recesses might reveal…notice all the smear about husband with Serbian origins, investigation into his status and such like
They would need a new photo with application wouldn’t they?
Why do you think they staged a ”robbery” at fat socialist mahwhinneys house?
So they can pin it on the 6 pound an hour modern day slave if all else goes tits up.
They didn’t stage a robbery as such. A spokesman for Baroness Scotland said on FRIDAY that she had JUST REALISED that she was missing thousands of pounds worth of valuables and that the police had been asked to investigate.
The police said on Saturday that they had received no such complaint and were not investigating anything of the sort.
We have to remember (Alastair Campbell and Damian McBride?) Labour are world champions at spin and smear.
Father!!!!
Labour specialise in breathtaking lies.
Of course “we will be expected to believe that Lolo had the ability, finances and motivation to obtain a forged passport merely to get a minimum wage cleaning job”
Bit of a leap you’re making. Lola wouldn’t have bought a forged passport to get a job as a cleaner, she’d have bought it to remain in the country. And that would be a price worth paying. And her husband may not be short of a few quid. Seems perfectly feasible to me that she did have a forged passport which she showed to her employer, and now the shit’s hit the fan she’s disposed of it sharpish. There are, I believe, repurcussions if found in possession of a forged passport which wouldn’t help her remain in UK.
I’d still rather believe Lady Scotland’s a liar. But case isn’t proven by a long way. But the fact that she took no records probably means she’s stuffed anyway. Which considering her position, she deserves to be.
As has already been said , even though her Tongan passport had expired she was legitimately able to apply to the London Tongan High Commision for a renewal. No problem. So why would she seek a forged one? That doesn’t make sense.
The interesting this is the Tongan High Commission is chosing not to say whether she did in fact seek a renewal passport which suggests that they, as well as the UKBA, are being pressured by this government to join the whitewash brigade in support of Baroness Scotland.
We shall see. But my old mum has a saying ‘ the truth will out’ and I think gordon and the dodgy baroness are sweating on this one.
‘As has already been said , even though her Tongan passport had expired she was legitimately able to apply to the London Tongan High Commision for a renewal. No problem.’
Once again, ill informed speculation. You simply don’t know that. It is possible that the visa was issued with conditions. Often student visas include a proviso that the holder must return to the home county for a period of two years after completion of studies, for example. The idea is that the person takes the skills learned home which benefits the home country. Additionally, there could exist other conditions of which we are unaware.
‘The interesting this is the Tongan High Commission is chosing not to say whether she did in fact seek a renewal passport which suggests that they, as well as the UKBA, are being pressured by this government to join the whitewash brigade in support of Baroness Scotland.’
Again, breathtakingly ingnorant. It “suggests” nothing of the sort. What do you know about the Tongan High Commission and its policies towards press enquiries about the circumstances of citizen applications? It is standard procedure for commissions and embassies NOT to comment on document applications made by individuals.
I’m sure that as our AG knows the Tongan AG, according to her, a new passport dated, oh about a year ago is in the course of preparation right now for speedy expedition through the diplomatic bag to theUKBA, or direct to the fragrant RobberBaroness.
Job solved.
No wonder Al-JaBeeBa didn’t like my posts on this on their R5DeadbutNotQuite MB!
If they are as incompetent as the UKBA or the Passport Office they probably havent got a clue how many applications were made. All records lost in a computer crash or maybe we they cant access the archieve because its got asbestos in the basement.
No mention of this important issue on tonights news I notice, no doubt the bbc has had pressure brought to bare by Broons stalinist heavies. Must not upset Broons liebour fight back, what a fucking shower
no nudism here please
Typical of the Brown Broadcasting Corporation – the newsroom is full of lefties who got their positions via the jobs pages in the Guardian. Since I am not in the UK at the moment, I don’t have access to the broadcast media – is the story being mentioned on Sky News?
Were Lolo to have forged a “stamp” in her passport, this would have been far more difficult than it used to be. Stamps allowing leave to remain, and permission to work, are complex printed labels, with the passport-holder’s photo, that are stuck in the passport by UKBA. They are not an ink stamp and are as difficult to forge as a bank note.
So was the Attorney General employing a master forger for a cleaner? Or is the Attorney General simply a liar?
This is actually a bummer.
It just means the business will quieten down for the duration of ZNL’s conference.
What we wanted was Brown to have to sack her tomorrow.
You’ve got to laugh, modern day culturally and historically ”aware” black citizens owning ‘slaves’ while preaching ”tolerance and diversity”.
I’m more shocked by the £6 an hour…How disgusting Baroness Scotland and her ilk are.They say the more money people have the meaner they are.She and her barrister husband must be raking it in, yet she paid this woman a pittance.
Having said that,who in their right minds would even go for an interview,let alone get a job with a government law officer? If you were in a country illegally you wouldn’t go near an official of the government would you?
Are you joking? It’s the safest place -look at all the illegals working in the Home Office. These fuckers are so incompetent they couldn’t find a pie in Prescott’s lunchbox.
The pie’s difficult to find .. it doesn’t stay in there very long …
The idea of there being only one pie in Two-Shits’ Brobdingnagian Lunch Juggernaut is outrageous…
It’s a dick in his lunchbox you would have difficulty finding ( allegedly )
I suspect also that she was paying £6 per hour to her housekeeper but claiming more on her expenses. The Fees Office would know – will they be checking?
As someone said on here last night – it’s what they do because they always have to make a profit!
The missing cash and jewellery statement seems very amateurish, and has not really smeared or silenced the housekeeper.
But, then again, an espionage angle checks all the right boxes…
They aren’t too clever, not thinking of that one.
Weird that one, does anyone know who released that smear?
The Mail’s article today stated the MET had not recieved any news of these so called thefts, funny that.
£6 an hour is way below the market rate. Here in the provinces you need to pay at least 8 more like 10 per hour. But I suppose that’s the price of a valid passport.
The hapless Baroness has done her fellow Ministers in the Lords a great financial service. To give her top cover for her massive £170K troughing, the government has had to re-invent the ‘Out-of-town’ housing allowance by saying that it now covers all Ministers living in London. In theory, Mandelslime and others can now make huge backdated claims.
Tonight I am mostly bottling sloe vodka, and watching a corrupt and moronic Labour government tear itself to shreds – both traditional English past-times.
The difference between them is that the voddy will still be around in six months.
maybe…
Why don’t we just chuck out “Baroness” “Scotland”, to upper-Jipoopoo-Land or somewhere like that, where her “life will be endangered” (who cares?), and give the Tongan lady the job of “Attorney-General”?
Furthermore, why should any self-respecting classical liberal government need a State Solicitor? Everything it does ought to be legal by definition.
The Tongan cleaner is probably at least as competent as the fragrant RobberBaroness, and highly likely to be inclined to be less economical with the actualite!
FFS!!
If Guido can flush out this info, what the effing hell are all the investigative journalists who inhabit the corridors of Fleet Street on fancy salaries, doing??
You lot of sassenach saddos are being taken for an effing long ride, my friends!!
I believe the phrase the CPS use for this is : “Perverting the course of Justice”
Or the old catchall “Misconduct in a Public Office” of course
Why doesn’t she just save a lot of pain and aggravation for the Labour Party ?
This is going to blow up in Gordon’s face on the night of his ‘big speech’ otherwise..
Ah, I see….
Anyway, if its now all about dodgy passports isn’t there a much more experienced minister mincing about round number 10 she can consult?
she is fucked and she knows it hahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahah….bye!!
Scotland is a liar.
Anyone believe BS?
Sign here…..
OK, anyone believe Lolo?
Sign here………
i do and have documents to prove it.
Yes.
I don’t believe either of them, but in the grand scheme of things the cleaner is already by definition a law breaker who has possibly practiced deception. The AG may very well be lying, but at the moment pending production of a valid passport it is the word of the AG vs the word of an overstayer. The man on the Clapham omnibus you would assume would tend to give more credence to the word of the UK Governments highest legal officer against someone who flouted UK law. Or at least they would have prior to 1997.
Yes but what possible motive would an illegal immigrant with a tory tabloid deal negotiated by Max Clifford have for telling lies?
Wouldn’t be so sure, pal
The motive is irrelevant. She has already broken the law so in the eyes of most people would be considered untrustworthy. Besides she is going to get the kind of wedge from the papers that would guarantee her a life of luxury in Tonga. Why should she care about what is truth and what isn’t? The papers just want a story, they don’t give a monkeys if it’s true or it isn’t. Either way they sell lots of papers. In any event proving that Scotland knowingly employed someone she knew to be an illegal immigrant is next to impossible, hence the UKBA took the easy way out with a civil penalty.
The same motive a Labour attorney general would have? To maintain a nice little earner.
Infidel 86You are fucking joking!
“She has already broken the law so in the eyes of most people would be considered untrustworthy. ”
That’s Baroness Scotland you are talking about there, yes?
Peter Grimes is that a question or not? If so you might want to end with a question mark as opposed to an exclamation mark. Didn’t they teach you anything at your comprehensive? In any event I am not joking, it is just an observation. I personally think Scotland is a liar, but proving this will be rather difficult when you are taking the word of someone else who has by her very actions already broken the law.
CmI – is not just she-said/she-said. BS has broken the law by not keeping records. Full stop.
Jimmy Jimmy
As you so rightly say, until 1997……
It wasn’t a question, Infidel. The ‘comprehensive’ insult is probably your best shot!
Hear hear.
Just for the avoidance of all doubt she (the cleaner) is NOT an “illegal immigrant” she is an “overstayer” . The two are not synonymous.
The issue surely is that the A-G, the government’s top law officer, a member of the Bar, an Inner Temple bencher, holder of a post that dates back more than 1400 years, is guilty of terminological inexactitude and of bringing her high office into total disrepute.
There can be no question.
She Must GO, unless the UK just transmogrified into Zimbabwe.
she’s also an inept and singularly ugly bore…
This Government becomes more and more like John Majors Government in its dying days.
Only difference John Major didnt run up £1 trillion of debt!
Major’s government’s big thing was being caught with their pants down – I don’t really care who a politician sleeps with provided they serve the electorate properly
As they say tory scandals are always about sex. Labour scandals are always about money – usually the misuse of.
Where can I sign up to the Tory Party?
+++smile+++ You and me both!!
And get your free fishnet tights and an orange.
Yes, and it is always other peoples, like mine and yours. Like my Pension I have paid in to the 30 years and is worth precisely fuck all.
Look at the Hoons – it would be about sex? Hardly…
You mean the EU Border Agency ? Agencies are a means of transfering ‘Power’ to the EU by removing the civil service element. This frees the agency form direct British government control. The laws these agencies enforce are all European in origin.
Don’t pull the trigger just yet…
Bugger – shot off too soon…
I did kinda think we’d all got this bit when only an out of date one was found at LOLOs after the forced entry.
BS will have worked this all out by now.
Anything else?……..
Would she? I was beginning to think she was a brick short of a load.
So lets get this clear. Had Baroness Stupid photocopied the invalid Passport she’d have gotten a 10K fine, but by not photocopying it she only got a 5K fine.
So for any employer wanting to employ some dodgy foreigner all they need to do is NOT photocopy any documents then simply claim (in good faith of course) that they did in fact “see documents” and that they were in order and that it was simply a misunderstanding.
Good one.
Suspect that law is now screwed,wouldn’t suprise me if the lawyers for somebody will use that excuse,if she gets away with it being the AG so can others.
She got 5k because it was a first offence, and she cooperated
How did she co-operate? Does everyone get 5K for a first offence then?
Cooperated? = Lies?
She got 5k because it was a first offence, and she lied!
As the saying goes – “Its not the original offence but the cover up afterwards that results in resignation”
I co-operated when I got caught speeding years ago, I still got fined and points. Co-operating made no odds to the plods.
[...] UPDATE**** The passport story has taken a whole new twist. According to sources, the passport had expired. So, the ONLY way [...]
Mr Fawkes
I salute you sir
Fenian get!
It seems that the Borders Agency can take the Baroness’s word as gospel, without proof of what she says, because she is ‘honourable’ whilst her servant’s word must be doubted because she is not.
That appears to be exactly what is NOT now happening.
The Baroness is Noble James. And,of course, every bit as honourable as all the rest of Mr Brown’s lickspittles.
As I mention above the AG is lawfully resident in the UK and occupies a position of trust. The cleaner has been to to go back to Tonga and has carried on living in the UK illegally. So yes, unless evidence is produced to contradict the AG’s statement most law enforcement agencies would tend to give more credence to the word of a state employ against that of someone who flouts the law. This story is going to run and run. There are plenty more skeletons in the cuboard. My view is that the UKBA were put under huge pressure from Broon to issue a civil penalty and brush the crap under the carpet. Otherwise you are looking at a criminal investigation and ultimately to convict Scotland of knowingly employing an illegal immigrant would be very difficult.
Ah! leftist dribble, so presumably you think people higher up the food chain are ‘trustworthy’ and those near the bottom are not?
Very Nu Liebour. So it’s my imagination that Bliar and bummer Brown are lying fucking Hoons then?
You need to look at how things work in the real world. I think the AG has been caught out lying. However she has paid a civil penalty so that is the end of it as far as she and the UKBA are concerned. If however you believe she knowingly employed someone who had no right to remain in the UK you need to provide some evidence. Proving this is a case of one persons word against another. On the one hand you have the word of the highest legal officer in the land vs the word of an illegal immigrant who allegedly has a forged visa in her passport. It’s a non starter.
So what you are saying is that as long as you don’t photocopy the papers are are ‘supposed’ to see you can get off with a much smaller fine?
I strongly advise therefore that from now on all employers simply ‘lose’ or ‘forget’ to copy the documents for any worker and then just say ‘it was an honest mistake’.
I don’t see how they can get fined any more than this fucking bitch.
if you photocopy dodgy documents you get the max fine, don’t and you get the smallest fine.
D’You know I feel so silly. All these years I’ve thought that Labour have said they are for the enslaved, the underdogs , the downtrodden, the underpaid!!!!
I clearly misunderstood didn’t I?!!!
They are for having them over and having them over here, Nell.
Well I don’t see it that way Peter.
It seems to me that Labour is about feathering their own nests and leeching as much money from the taxpayers as they can for themselves before they get tossed out of power.
But that’s exactly what I said, nell.
Jeez, do you need a translation?
I’d guess that there was an unspoken agreement between Lady S and the cleaner that for a modest (in London) £6 an hour rate, an NI and P45 should be quite enough proof of work permit, and that if Lady S then demanded to see a passport the Tongan might go elsewhere.
If the Baroness was impatient to find a cleaner immediately – the circs of the engagement suggest that she was – she’d be unlikely to make any further requests.
Presumably (if a P45 was issued) a previous employer had also been at fault?
Or was it the over-enthusiastic DWP, who tend to issue NI numbers at the drop of a hat without checks?
Who issued the P45?
Cash in hand….? All on expenses, of course.
I no longer get either my music or news from British radio stations – are those DWP adverts still running? They were taken off air when the expenses row was first exposed…
‘Too much bling?-Give us a ring’. call the benefits Hotline.
Loloahi says the previous housekeeper had left suddenly and the house was in a mess. And that was why AG wanted her tostart right away.
I wonder what happened there? Who was the previous housekeeper? – Was she an illegal immigrant? and why did she leave so suddenly?
I think the press should investigate a little further back.
Agreed. What about it Guido?
So the AG can’t operate a vacuum cleaner or a duster? She just has to have a cleaner.
The fucking snobby bitch.
There are plenty of people in parliament who seem to to be unable to operate a vacuum cleaner, or use a duster, or dishwasher.
That’s why they employ cheap labour – to do it all for them.
There are plenty of people in parliament who following the Peter Principle can’t manage their Departments. Jacqui, gordon, militwit, bob ‘aintbunstinagut’, postman pat, the straw man, and on and on…….
Truth is if they’re incapable of the simple act of keepng their homes clean and tidy they are most likely incapable of anything more complex.
The only equipment qualification neccessary for working with Zanu is a City and Guilds level 1 Shredding certificate.
“Who issued the P45?”
Cap doffed to you, Lord S S.
Perhaps Guido can snuffle out whether the UKBA is pursuing the cleaner’s former employer; and thence whether that employer retained copies of documents presented by the cleaner.
The cleaning lady admits to having paid £180 for a Russian neighbour to sort out a forged visa stamp into her old passport. Even that had “expired” before she went for the Scotland job. Why didn’t she get another forgery to help her stay because actually fake ID is plentiful and cheap? I think the Russian neighbour ripped her off. Ask any 16 year old who wants to get into a bar.
The borders are porous and no one much cares once you are in. Those are the facts. ZaNuLab’s 3,906 new laws have not helped, they have hindered. That is why no one really keeps on top of them, including the police.
That is also why there is a queue at Calais trying to get in. Forget the Borders Agency, they’ve been told to back off already. I would go the HMRC route; if the baroness was so keen to get cheap labour in what’s the betting she found the time to set up a legit PAYE system to sort out the tax and National Insurance?
At the end of the “interview” with the Tongan she was told to start immediately ie that day. Mmm…surely the ZaNuLab aristocracy wouldn’t be paying this lady in cash ie no questions asked?
We should be told, Guido!
…..I like it…..I like it.
Why do you think that taking copies is important?
To stop any doubt!
There fore if you don’t take copies you should be punished as the ‘law’ won’t be able to tell what’s going on. Same as player misses drugs test = guilty
Seconded.
But that can’t apply if you’re Nu Liebour can it?
No. It wastes too much electricity and paper.
Loloahi has said all along that she had no intention of going back to Tonga. Her passport had run out. So why would she apply for another passport when she didn’t want one?
Seems to me that the Tongan High Commission in London is stalling – it can’t have issued that many passports through its London Office in the last couple of years.
Question is , is it going to publicly tell the truth to support one of it’s own nationals (ie no 2nd passport was sought or issued) or is it going to lie and join the Labour whitewash team.
This may be a job for Dave Militwit – think he could bribe the Tongan Government to lie for some unexpected overseas aid monies?
This is a very interesting observation Nell. Have you considered writing a novel based around international espionage?
No I shan’t but I bet someone will .
This Labour Government are going to be exposed for the seething rotting heep that they are – sometime next year after the tories have won.
And a very good book it will make too – no doubt the title will have something to do with defective moral compasses.
The embassy would need to have the application with new passport photo to make that claim surely.
I doubt they are stalling at the Embassy they just don’t work at weekends. Monday will be the earliest we will learn about the issue if any of a new passport.
Weekend schmeekend. Don’t they realise what a huge story this is?
It puts Tongo on the map. No body’s heard of Tongo before and their tourist opportunities are increased by this.
Some people could not even spell it!
This was all obvious to anyone who stopped to think for a moment. You are now getting to the evidence. Brilliant!
Dear Guido : Your arguments are perfectly logical, but what difference will it make? The Baroness is lying, she knows that she is lying, the whole world knows that she is lying but I cannot believe that the UKBA (led by a Zanulabour appointee) will take this further. Full marks for trying but the rot is too far advanced and the country is not going to hell in a handcart for the simple reason that it is already there.
I say again. It’s the, EU Border Agency, muppets. Pay attention.
What is the point you are making? I don’t understand why this case matters to the EU?
Agencies are created to change the basic system of government. When you work for an agency like the VOSA – UKBA you are not in effect a British civil servant. You work for the agency and the agency enforces European laws and regulations. This is a basic means of power exchange between the national and Euro governments. Simple.
Same thing is going on in Ireland. Check for yourself.
She introduced a non-common law based regulation and then fell into the Euro trap of not being able to go to court and plead her case.
SHE IS GUILTY BECAUSE THE AGENTS OF THE STATE SAY SO.
The EU(UK) Border Agency is that agent. No right to explain, no right to question.
Er. OK. Ta.
But can the country have an Attorney General who most of the people (capable of reaching a conclusion on such things) think is a liar. The reason she is in this position is because she failed to follow a law she introduced. I think that is very much a sacking offence and if the Conservatives do not take her down then my long held belief that they are the weakest opposition ever will be proven.
Brown doesn’t do sacking and integrity went out of fashion post 1997. There is little the Conservatives can do about it weak or otherwise. It is down to the Prime Mentalist to sack her or for Scotland to resign. You can wish in one hand and crap in the other. See which gets filled first.
We have a PM who everybody knows is a liar.
He is not in a position to sack the Attorney General for lying.
Number and address of the London Tongan High Comission if anyone wants to call them or visit them in the morning:
36 Molyneux St
London, W1H 5BQ
020 77245828
Look everyone, both the Noble Baroness and her servant are black women and thus victims of the white patriarchy. They must, therefore, BOTH be telling the truth. Anyone doubting this is, by definition, a sexist racist. Honour will be satisfied by issuing Lady Scotland with a Tongan passport and ennobling Lolo,
Now let’s get back to listing all of our Dear Leader’s virtues as is our wont.
wot, like Barroness Lola of Tongo Wongo?
one of the wild women of wonga (dosh) – i.e a labour peer (ess)
BS speaks BS
I really wish the pair of them would bog off back to their respective tropical paradises and leave us to manage our country as we have for the past 1200 years.
As I see it, she has knowingly hired somebody without the facts that many other employers need to satisfy. The building trade is one such industry that the Government have (rightly IMO) leant on to ensure that there are no illegals working and destroying legitimate employment for those entitled to work here.
As with the Boarder controls, it has woeful in its effectiveness, and as per the expenses issues, when the mess is found in their nest, MP’s and Ministers squeal at their “oversight” being comparable to Gang masters and dole cheats.
FFS, if those that live by those laws have to “do the time” when they’ve done the crime, the law-makers have no reason to be treated differently, except they do expect a lesser penalty, as they are “too honourable and honest” to deliberately break the law. History may have “allowed” that in the past, but the IT age has changed that.
Their instincts are rooted in the past, but their actions can never return to those practices, and it is these ideals that constantly trip them up. The people never had them, its black and white, right or wrong. These morons in high office don’t do black or white, only the 3 million shades of grey in-between.
She actually wrote a good set of rules to enforce these laws, the common man accept them, its about time she did.
If I remember, Scotland (and the Tongan) said she provided a P45 to Scotland from a previous employer. So the P45 is available. And on the P45 will be the name and address of her previous employer. Is it not possible to track back to this previous employer and see what documents they had on file when she started her employ? Were they in the clear in terms of illegal immigrant employment requirements or did they have ‘dodgy’ papers? Or any documenst at all?
I’m surprised ZaNu Labour apparatchiks aren’t doing there best to fine someone else another £5k. Or would that be 10?
A good line of enquiry. But if the trackback revealed that Miss Tonga was consistently presenting the same sort of documents every time she went for a job, the reasonable inference would be that she presented the same to Miss Scotland, and that could make Miss Scotland look rather worse than she’s looking right now.
Some persistent journo should ask the Authorities if this trackback is being done? Maybe catch a few more liebore liars out in the process.
She was working for an ‘Indian hardware store’. Ok, so they were employing her illegally too…
Be funny as fuck if they turned out to have a full set of photocopies of everything…
The previous employers will be in the clear as it is more than two years since she left.
If she had a P45 she was legal.
If the cleaner’s husband was born in the UK in 1968, as was alleged, surely that would make her marriage legal and , therefore, she would be legally entitled to stay in the UK.
There are so many differing stories, it’s hard to know whether she’s telling the truth or not.
No it wouldn’t she would have to leave the UK and apply for a marriage visa from overseas. She could however marry an EU national (but not a Brit) and obtain a free EEA family member visa.
Too many excuses, Infidel. Now fuck off you ZaNuLieBor shill. Please!
It’s called the Immigration Rules you half-wit.
You are totally correct “Infidel”
Here’s the relevant link for those who don’t believe you !!
Marriage to a British National no longer confers automatic right to enter or remain in the country.You have to apply before entering and if not married apply for right to marriage before you can marry even if you’re already in the country(the Tongan used the loop hole of getting married in CofE Church as CofE vicars were exempted from the act after a fuss by the Church at the time of the passing of the law) or entry as “fiance/fiancee of British national with the purpose of marriage but in all cases right to remain is only valid for 2 years and after tht time you must apply for leave to remain
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/partnersandfamilies/partners/
He apparently was born in the UK – but such a marriage no longer confers the right of residence on the spouse.
What I can not get my head around is Labour employing SERVANTS. (at minimum wage too)
How times have changed
Hahahahahahaha they’ve been at it for years!! There is nothing the maxists like more than other people washing the skid marks off their U-bends, while they patronise from on high about the oppressed workers….
Why don’t they make ‘em join a Union?
One is not ‘Labour’ – one is a member the Shoe-Shine Governing Untouchable Elite !!
No no no no no
They’re not ‘servants’.
They’re ‘partners’
or, on occasions, ‘consultants’
Oh, and, d’ya think you’d get a legal worker to pick up after BS for 6 quid an hour?
Here’s where I have a problem with Baroness Scotland:
Labour go on about exploitation of the working class and the need to improve matters, think “living wage” not minimum wage. Yet when it comes to paying for cleaning with the going rate at £9/hr and this being probably put on expenses we find that rather than pay say £9.50 she pays £6?
Could this be due to the fact that rather than get expenses, she go a daily rate thus every pond saved was a pound for Baroness Scotland? Thus showing that when it’s someone else’s money they are generous, BUT when it’s their own they grow very deep pockets and their arms shrink.
oh the people’s flag is stained red etc…
OK, but why is the UKBA now so keen to explicate all this, when it clearly hoped the problem would go away with the £5,000 fine?
Are there now pressures on Lin Homer to do an about turn, and conduct a proper investigation?
If so, who is applying the pressure?
Does No 10 hope to sacrifice LH and PS to take pressure off GB?
Why not the full £10,000 that can be given. The girl has the money, she can afford to pay the full price for her mistake. The EU (UK) Border Agency has a lot of pension funding to do. Just like the VOSA. They have been given instuctions to max out on the fines, due to the reduction in government funding.
I don’t think anyone will want Scotland to be their defence brief when she finally has to earn her living again. If she can’t lie properly for herself what use is she going to be in court lying for someone else?
There will be no whitewash in the shitehouse.
Like there’s no shite in the White House?
Good evening TaT.
I still can’t see any credit due to Guido for the Scoop.
Let alone keeping so many on tenterhooks all of the
afternoon especially while football was on Sky.
Yes is the answer I am still a fully paid up member of the Tat
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I know you can perform all three tasks at one given time but I
really want to know your preference.
I remain your loyal fan club member No.2. Yes I know you are the other member.
i’m the third member
I’m just a member.
dear fan,
I already told you my list.
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cloth-ears.
try to keep up.
thankyou.
And here’s me thinking I was no. 1 you fickle bitch.
she is Labour, this sort of shit doesn’t bother them, I bet she has never lost a nights sleep in her life
No doubt a second, backdated passport is being forged as we gossip…
http://blogs.news.sky.com/boultonandco/Post:f8422a4e-27f4-49c5-b107-01b7a7908232
Scotland in her own words….. she forgets to mention that she was not paying her the going rate, and was in fact paying her less than her previous cleaning, knowing full well, than her house was in a mess.
It would be interesting to know the circumstances of her previous cleaners departure and terms of employment.
Since the whole point of Lin Homer’s speedy dealing with the offence was to close the case, why are UKBA working on this at all?
Aren’t forged passports a criminal matter and therefore within – and only within – police jurisdiction?
I can’t imagine UKBA personnel working on a case which the CEO has declared closed.
I would have thought that the Fraud Act 2006 comes in somewhere. Yes.
As Baroness Scotland was born in Dominica, can SHE not be deported?
… if bleeding only (sigh)
The UKBA have been turning a blind eye to G4S Overseas Escorts returning none desirables to their country of origin, or a third country, while not being in possession of appropriate identification, the DCO Badge, as demanded by the 1999 Immigration and Asylum Act (thereby undertaking in illegal removals).
Why should one believe the UKBA’s thoughts now?
I am the holder of a second passport and they are very difficult to get. They are normally issued for example when someone has to still travel while applying for a visa elesewhere,. There are some other reasons but none of the small number that I can think off that would ever apply to this lady.
Secondly the UKBA can check very quickly if a second passport is held. I would wager they already know it is not and the delay is trying to figure out what to do about it.
Its simple. The Hooness has been caught out totally. She continues to maintain she saw a passport if she did then it was expired and a fine was quickly levied to cover up the oversight. The decision now is do they prolong the cover up or call it quits and force he out.
The Hooness will hang on for grim death until shame finally forces her from office but they know no shame so it may be a while.
Keep at em Guido
Quite right Agent99. If the evidence existed supporting the noble lady then we would have seen it by now. The fact that the combined efforts of the UK’s border and law enforcement agencies can’t find anything tells the story.
‘Noble Lady?’ (Cough cough)
How can someone who has admitted to an offence not be interviewed under caution? Surely under PACE rules she had to be cautioned immediately she admitted ANYTHING contrary to the law? The UK Border Agency are looking like a bunch of amateurs here in what was clearly a pre-ordained attempt to whitewash the whole business. The head of the Border Agency should resign as well because they have clearly failed to investigate with even a basic competence. She should also have given a formal written statement detailing her side of the story for use in any prosecution against the cleaner – has she?
UKBA got a telephone call saying ‘kill this story NOW!’ (who made the call,who put the frighteners on the border plod?)
UKBA duly rolled over and said yessir and so they didnt look at any evidence interviewed no witnesses(properly) and believed without question Scotlands story without even checking it out.
Would any of us be able to tell a story to the authorities and have them just accept everything we say without question or checks?
Now then your highness, did you break the law? er…no? Oooooooh well then your mini majesty you are free to go, sorry to have troubled you.
Its fucking amazing how easily things like this just ‘dissapear’ when you are an in with the in crowd big nob!
Remember we are dealing with a civil law offence not the criminal law. Provided the questioning was kept to the civil law offence Pace would not apply. The proof required to prove the offence would also be lower to that of balance of probabilities rather then beyound all reasonable doubt.
Fwaud Act 2006
Except in cloud cuckoo land, there is no such thing as a civil law offence. T
Not quite.
Until the situation was fully investigated it would not be known if a civil or a criminal offence had been committed.
To only partially investigate and then decide that a civil fine was appropriate was a mistake by UKBA.
I know for a fucking fact that cleaners get up to £20 an hour in certain parts of London
CASH IN HAND
Lets see the receipts ( via his bother)from McMentals little helper when she was Hoovering his modest unocupied flat .
Hey at those prices I’m putting an ad in myself.
Those cleaners do it butt naked and have nice skin.
Which parts?
Clerkenwell?
If Gordon’s flat was unoccupied, why the fuck would he need a cleaner?
More of our money in his pocket, perchance?
Oh yes I nearly forgot Gordo had a very dodgy arrangement regarding expense claims for cleaning his unoccupied flat and made the payments to his brother.
I seem to recall that that cleaner was paid a fortune.
Don’t know if anybody has said this yet.
The Bitch is a lawyer, a QC even.
Correst me if I am wrong, are these people not suppossed to be PROFESSIONAL LIARS not RANK AMATEURS!
This is just playgound lying.
Would you want to trust your future in the hands of such a useless cow if time awaited you, dependent upon her proficiency?
You would get 5 years for an unpaid parking ticket with this pathetico defending you!
Great scoop Guido; the mob is angry and right behind you!
Respect!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why is no one asking “Judy the New Zealand aide to the Attorney General”? Heck, she was there when the documents were handed over by Lolo . . . “Judy” was the one who checked them. Why is everyone being so quiet and lacking any inquisitiveness about this key individual?
Because she was working for Baroness Scotland, and the onus was on her to check the documents. She can’t let someone else assume responsibility for that, but she’s trying.
Is Judy a Maori? Is there a patter here?
The likes of Ms Tapui are quite literally taking food out of the mouths of British people. If someone enters the country through illegal means they are illegal. Full stop. What I can’t understand is how the government has allowed this situation get so far out of control.
Baroness Scotland has been literally laying down the law, but picking and choosing only the ones that she wants to follow.
Many undocumented people in the UK are currently receiving health care, education, housing and in some cases, prison cells. Funded by you and I of course. It places a tremendous burden on everyone. Being charitable with other peoples money is unfair to everyone.
Any religious or political leader that would dismiss my comments as xenophobic (or more likely, racist) should put their money where their mouths are and look after these people themselves.
Anyone in the country without proper documentation is a criminal. Anyone who knowingly employs illegal aliens is also a criminal and should be subject to the appropriate punishment, no excuses. Illegal is illegal.
Yes, I’m in a vindictive kind of mood.
You may be vindictive, but you are 100% right!
ZaNuLab quickly implemented laws which make it virtually impossible to deport anyone, even convicted foreign criminals and known terrorists. The Human Rights Industry is a gravy train for the activist lawyers of groups like Matrix Chambers and they milk it and the taxpayer (legal aid) for all it is worth.
The asylum system is now a scam for illegal immigrants. The HRA is a scam for superannuated leftie lawyers and a recipe for judge made law. The ECHR is a face which must be abolished. In the meantime, because the locals are getting restive about all the illegal aliens in their midst, ZaNuLabour passes a law to punish employers for hiring illegal migrants and then to cap it all, their attorney general breaks said law and is still in place.
It makes me want to weep! Off with their heads!
Well almost right. She entered the country lawfully as far as I am aware. What she failed to do was leave the country when told to. However when it comes time to “remove” her I suspect the full weight of the HRA will come into play. Right to family life etc. etc. all at public expense naturally. Don’t expect Lolo to be back in Tonga any time soon.
I thought her lawyers had already indicated that any attempt at deportation would be contested under Art 8 of the HRA ?
I wanted that job! Bawwaahhhaaahah
Yip, cos Sharon from the estate is gutted she cannot get that £6 an hour, and has to rely on Child benefit, Council Tax Rebate, Disability Allowance for Harvey ( you know, the one that’s dad was a Yardie), and Housing Benefit to keep her in fags.
The whole fucking system, like everything else here is wank. Migrants come here to take jobs that Sharon cannot afford to take, cos the fucknuggets in government take Sharons benefits off her for trying to work while poor Hoons in places like Tonga get £6 an hour MORE here than they get in Tonga. Its the system thats crap, not the people who abuse it.
There is quite simply no way that she could have used that passport to prove anything to the Baroness.
If the Baroness is an idiot then it could!
I mean Harriet Harman claimed to have figures to show that women were suffering more job losses in the economic downturn when it was in fact men who were doing so.
Just back from the beach and have to say I counted almost as many rozzers as demonstrators. (No coverage on the news no doubt). All a bit dispirited… I asked one bloke why and he said, ‘Most of us feel it’s like watching your dog die.’
What do you expect from Harridan Harmsmen? Her view is wimmin are always right because they are victims of male oppression and men are always wrong. She is a lying feminazi bitch and she should be strung up from the first lampost on Westminster bridge along with the NEW MAN NONCES Bliar and Gorgon the Moron!!!!
Meanwhile MPs and Lords continue to find reasons to visit far off lands – including Tonga.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216392/All-aboard-MPs-gravy-planes-Taxpayers-millions-spent-exotic-trips-need-declared.html
She came from Tonga for the wonga
She came from Tonga for she is fonda wonga and got hitched so hubby would bong ‘er wid eees donger for longa but she did wonder and placed an ad in da matchmaking for da lovebird songa.
I’ll get my coat.
It’s turned into the classic one word against another. Scotland’s story implies that there was a forged passport, and although unlikely, nobody can rule it out 100%, ergo Scotland carries on as usual.
In that case, Scotland has to go. The office of Attorney General has to be above being occupied by someone only there on the basis of “one of these two is a liar – which just have no way of telling which”.
Buns, the law was broken when she didn’t take the photocopy. Where a second or forged passport exists is a separate issue – though one with further implications for the noble lady.
Yeah, she paid a £5000 fine for breaking the law. If a forged passport does turn up with dodgy details then she will be in further trouble, but the Tongan has already said there isn’t one. I know who I believe, but all the Baroness has had to do is imply there was one. There is no burden of proof to actually find the passport from her point of view. In fact it’s better for her if it’s never found, which of course it won’t be.
How lolo can you sink
Lolo lyes lo on lilo at friends house
Shouldn’t that Be
“Lays low upon the Lilo of a friend” ?
LOLO
Fuck off back to Tonga
Not only are you an illegal but you are also fucking with my Grammar
Summary justice in 36 hours, amazing!!!!!
If you ask me it sucks. How can jusitice be dispensed without all the facts being known. We have one woman’s word against anothers.
If we accept the Attorney General’s word we must assume there is another passport, one that she saw but, contrary to the law of the land did not copy. That seems to be her whole defence which quite frankly would not be acceptable in any court in the land, other that is in a Labour convened kangeroo court.
If the other passport cannot be verified by a third party then the Cleaner should be allowed her day in court and truth or lie be decided by a jury. Anything else is a stitch-up.
Amazing isn’t it ?- the UKBA undertook an investigation and levied a £5k fine in 36 hours and gordon decided overnight her offense was not sackable and yet Scotland Yard are still struggling to come to a decision about whether to prosecute Baroness Uddin.
It’s all about how you whitewash out the damning truth – sometimes this way sometimes that.
I think when gordon gets voted out next year his next book should be about how to lie and cheat your way through government. It might actually be a bestseller for a change.
TONGAN MOVE
Lolo to be deported
Well that might cut the story short until after this week’s ZaNuLiebor conference.
I hope that arsehole Max Clifford is obliged to deduct tax and NI from her takeaway present of £100k, plus anything extra our ‘government’ are bunging her to keep quiet!
She is not Max Clifford’s employee. So he will be deducting nothing, except his meagre fee.
Is that not disposing of the evidence?
I have complete confidence in Baroness Scotland.
She’s for the chop then.
“We will be expected to believe that Lolo had the ability, finances and motivation to obtain a forged passport merely to get a minimum wage cleaning job.”
That’s it in a nutshell Mr Fawkes. We will be expected to believe that, and fuck off.
As we all know, passports are easy to copy. That’s why we need something ‘secure’, like ID cards…
Or a General Fucking Election.
I suspect that tomorrow morning Baroness Scotland is going to make the new assertion that she is absolutely certain that the passport she saw for Loloahi was a BRITISH passport.and that she now realises it must have been forged.
Now that will make a stir.
Anybody know how much one of those might cost on the black market?
nell, she doesn’t have to make any assertion at all. The matter is closed, remember?
Wipers , as a historian that brings back recollections.
In WW1 Ypres was called Wipers by our troops. It was said by the government of the day that if the public had known the truth about WW1 casualties at the time , the government would have been toppled by revolution.
Here we are nearly 100 years on and the shocking truths of WW1 still rumble on.
Don’t ever think the truths about this current corrupt shocking government are closed. They are going to be vilified by emerging truths for many years to come.
Yes, indeed.
If only BS had a chum in the cabinet she could rely on to get someone a UK passport on the hush…
A good one? $10-15k
OT but just seen a bearded Watson on C4 news: looks like the bear off Bo Selecta.
Mandy says he`ll work for the Tories. He`s not just on the U Boat to Argentina: he`s choosing the curtains for that hacienda just outside Buenos Aires.
Maybe Scotland`ll do a Vadera and jump ship to safeguard the meal ticket. Which might be a bit threadbare after her current piss poor performance.
OMG TWatson. Mint humbug on legs with a beard. The thought’s too horrible to process. Is he still held together with his braces?
That MangledBum Loves Those South American Boys !
Next Chairman of the BBC, possibly ?
That little spat with Gideon ‘ Lord Privy toast rack ‘ Osborne will be put in the past as Mandy ascends to the ranks of the great and good; given a chance to be ‘ of service ‘ don`tcha know, putting country before party.
How many Boards of Directors will the good lord grace with his countenance and title ? More than we ever would have thought existed.
Gordo, meanwhile will be giving a slide show to an audience of twenty seven on a pissing wet Wednesday night at Kircaldy Buffs Lodge on topics such as ‘ My big day in Pittsburgh shaking hands with Mr. Obama. No, really. ‘
If only we had ID cards!
It is frankly up to Scotland (and, presumably, half the civil service, now working on this) to prove that a more recent passport, which does not exist now, did use to exist (or else arrange for one to start existing PDQ).
Tapui was on a very low wage, had not had problems gaining work, and had seemingly no desire to leave the UK. Why would she have renewed her passport, when all it could do would be to provide evidence of her illegal status?
This stinks of attempted cover-up and I think it would be fair to say it is tantamount to a very busy and important lady accidentally saying that she actually paid the Congestion Charge, when, in fact, she had not.
The Sun meanwhile has reported today that BS has called the police to her Chiswick home because she was “unable to find a large number of items”.
No shit, Sherlock…
“unable to find a large number of items”.
Presumably a fucking passport will be one of them
She owns so much stuff bought with the taxpayers money that she can’t keep track of it all.
Lolo : Did You Tonga The Baroness’a
Two points
1. Her pants are very clearly on fire.
2. Show us the expenses claim for said cleaner – I bet she is claiming more off the taxpayer via her expenses than she is actually paying the cleaner and then keeping the balance.
Good point at 2 there.
So much for British jobs for British workers.
As punishment to this woman from Tonga – she should be employed as Mark Oatens cleaner.
“…and here is the living room Lolo, you may find that the glass coffee table needs a bit more elbow grease than normal. “
“Never mind doing the glass, we keep that off most of the time”.
The Baroness, Brown, Labour…THEY’RE ALL FU*KED!!! HA HA HA HA!!!
Da Main Man, he say I no do bad fing.
“—The Sun meanwhile has reported today that BS has called the police to her Chiswick home because she was “unable to find a large number of items”.
Let the state cover up begin. This is a fucking disgrace.
but you know, I know and we all know this is what is about to happen and the only people who are really aware of whats happening seem to live in the blogosphere. Thats why they think they can get away with it.
Pass me a bucket I think i am going to throw up.
Maybe The Thief Took The Photo Copies Of The documents ? That Explains Everything !
And so the lies upon lies continue in perfect new liebore tradition.
For them this is a trivial one compared to the Words of Mass Deception they used to start a war the Bush administration made Blair poodle along with.
Nuth’ns ma fult ye un’stn !
People seem to have missed the point made by Guido. If Scotland had taken a copy of the passport she would be in the clear assuming the visa had’nt expired.
My point is this woman was the architect of the legislation that has been used to beat others over the head over employment of illegal immigrants. Either she doesnt have the wit to follow her own legislation and is therefore incompetent and should resign.
Or she is lieing.
Take your pick! What is relevant is that as AG she is the highest law officer in the land and as such should be above reproach. But as usual under this corrupt goverment we have a liar or and incomptent or an incompetent liar cliging onto their position at all costs.
So what?
Shut TF up and grab your ankles, bitch
oh dear Ed your as thick as she is.
Exactly.
The legal reason for the copy of the passport to be kept by the employer is to prove that they had examined it. Which is why she should resign – she fell foul of this specific aspect of the law.
Who would bet that some liebour SPAD etc is going around London looking for a passport forgery to plant on the Tongan. Which will be found by the police and used as evidence that Scotland had examined a forged passport and experts agree that it was a very clever forgery…
Alongside items of jewellry reported stolen are suddenly found in the UKBA’s raid boxes.
This just stinks.
Would it not be only fair in circumstances where someone clearly desires to work, and not sponge of the welfare system, that a bit of discretion could be shown now and then in the issuance of work permits? We are only going to catch people trafficers, Mohammed at the Shish, and crooked members of the government if we give their poor victims the hope that they can get indeffo right to stay.
What is Baron Fondleboys Brazilian “assistant”‘s immigration status btw?
They are married aren’t they? Man & Boy !!
Did anyone see the “asylum seekers” in France, when they sent the bulldozers in last week?
Appparently, there were more than 600 people living there originally, but the police only managed to take 200 people away, all of whom want to come to the UK.
Where are the other 400 odd?
They were on board a Eurostar on their way to th UK.
Most of them have probably been on vacation to their homeland and are just trying to return to fantasy island where the benefits grow on trees.
All at a French Govt. funded swimming lesson
They’ve gone top of the queue for council housing in Dagenham. The Somalis are furious.
How many forged Tongan passports have ever been found in the UK , could we be about to see history being made ?
He in the Cabinet who praises Brown most lavishly this week is holding the knife and has the most MP’s names to win a leadership contest.
The ins and outs of a ducks arse are not relevent.
Fact: The Attorney General personaly employed an illegal immigrant failing to follow procedures required by law.
Being one of, if not, THE highest law official in the country, making such a mistake would suggest she is not very good at her job.
Reason enough for her to fuck off I think.
Which Member Of This Shower Of Shit Is Good At their Job ?
Meanwhile back on Planet Nuliebore……….
Mr McNulty refused to apologise for claiming second home allowance for staying at his parents’ house, adding he was confident he would be exonerated by the standards watchdog.
“I’m not sorry, but I don’t think that I’ve abused or done anything wrong and I’m pretty sure the commissioner will uphold that,” he said.
He added: ‘There’s no notion at all that I was milking a system or abusing the system the numbers and figures speak for themselves”.
Politics Show 27/9/09
Effing lying cheating smug sh1t, they are all at it.
Indeed, would you employ a lawyer who said “I’ve never been very good at all the paperwork”? No, me neither – but Gord would.
Sentence Patty Scotland to 3 years in the nick and a ten grand fine then send these shits back whence they came (both employer and employee).
A few threads still flapping around. Start with the question of why would BS be so casual in employing this poor woman?
One, what is the importance of BS saying she paid £8 an hour and the cleaner saying it was £6? Sadly BS’s expenses are not online. She apparently works at home one day a week so I suspect the taxpayer is being billed, could the taxpayer have been invoiced for this service at a rate greater than an the underpaid cleaner was remunerated? If you could make a profit out of exploiting a cleaner then it might make you less likely to fuss about the employment details, the weaker the cleaners employment record the bigger the possible profit margin..
Two, If we ignore the potential profit above, look at the significance of the fine, £5k. Cleaner employed for six months, local rate for the job £8, payment only £6, a saving of £2 an hour. If the cleaning was a full time job then about 1000 hours have been worked, a £2k saving, the fine is nicely cushioned by the cleaner’s salary saving.
Three, BS works from home part time. Presumably there is some form of clearance required for staff, CRB checks etc, no doubt this was assisted by the Tongan High Commission and is all on record.
Four, the security issue is rather wider than her role as Attorney General. BS has another serious responsibility that is little mentioned. She is a Privy Councillor and they have certain standards to maintain. The Privy Council oath includes things like “and will keep secret all Matters committed and revealed unto you,” breaking this oath would appear to be treason, I imagine Privy Councillors take security seriously an understand the behaviour required of them. Twelve years ago one had to resign when his attempt to sue a broadcaster came apart, it was two years later Aitken found himself at the receiving end of the law for Perjury.
I don’t think the issue is as simple as having to prove BS was legally at fault, she has probably already suffered sufficient damage below the waterline to make her future problematic. Like Aitken it will be expected that she jumps before she drags her responsibilities much further through the mud.
She’s Labour. They don’t understand words like honesty, integrity, responsibility, duty.
What they do understand is profiteering, troughing, lying, smearing……..
John Major’s government and people like Aitken are Rupert Bear to this government’s Fagin.
Rupert Bear to Fagin :D
I like that Nell.
And Labour rebels are again smelling blood. Asked about suggestions that Brown might quit for “health reasons”, Charles Clarke, the former home secretary, said: “I think his own dignity ought to look to that kind of solution.”
The Labour-supporting Guardian joined in the Brown-baiting. Polly Toynbee, the newspaper’s star columnist, yesterday went so far as to pen a spoof resignation speech for the prime minister.
The latest opinion polls suggest that Labour is haemorrhaging support. A YouGov poll yesterday found that 54% of voters wanted Brown to quit as Labour leader. The Tories, on 39%, remain 13 points ahead of Labour on 26%, with the Liberal Democrats on 20%. A poll earlier in the week had shown that Labour was even losing support in its northern heartlands, with an 11.5% swing to the Tories since 2005.
With a Conservative landslide looking increasingly inevitable, Brown no longer appears entirely sure he will still be PM when the general election happens next year. “I’m pretty determined and resolute,” was about as far he would go when the New Statesman asked him about his survival odds.
Certainly, the bookmakers have little faith. William Hill is offering almost even money — 5-4 — for punters wanting to bet that Brown will be out before the election.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6850930.ece
A new BPIX poll conducted by The Mail on Sunday will make sober reading for Mr Brown as he prepares for the Labour Party conference in Brighton this week. Damagingly for Mr Brown, his performance is seen as worse than that of Neil Kinnock, who lost two General Elections.
A third of those polled – 32 per cent – said Mr Brown was better than Mr Kinnock, but 40 per cent said he was worse.
The poll puts the Conservatives a massive 15 points ahead of Labour, enough to put Mr Cameron into No10 with a big Commons majority.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1216415/MoS-poll-reveals-Gordon-Brown-worse-Neil-Kinnock.html#ixzz0SKrG2FLu
Fucking “Baroness” – BWHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I propose a citizens arrest. Wrestle her to the ground first though, because she looks like a fookin prop forward!
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/article6850928.ece
great Obama & Broon the poodle cartoon
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8277709.stm
Gordon takes his ‘fight the good fight’ to the Labour party conference.
Believe in us we are whiter than white!!!! NOT
yeah it’s total bollox
Funny looking at Harperson and friends in that vid. McMad’s clearly off on one, while the rest of them are looking around the empty room thinking what the f*ck they’ll be doing for a living this time next year.
Better to be in government with a poof than to have a country led by one.
Gordon has agreed to bomb Tehran tomorrow to deflect from the passport row. If that doesn’t work he’ll have some old pervert detained in Switzerland, to throw a bone to the press. What do you think?
I think the old pervert detained in Switzerland is getting his just deserts. This is the kunt that was responsible for ‘Rosemary’s Baby’ n’ est pas? Burn the kunt before it escapes and breeds again. What goes around comes around.
So, we just have to decide who is fabricating the story
A trial by jury is the only way, which isn’t gonna happen.
I’d prefer to see her undergo trial by ordeal.
She should be made to live in the ghastly country she calls her self by.
I’ve just noticed Brown was forced to wipe away some dribble from the side of his mouth during Ed Miliband’s speech. Definitely not natural! Well, for normal people it isn’t, anyway.
Perhaps we should rename him: The Dribbler. He could be the next Batman villain.
Certainly a more appropriate role for him than the next head of the World Bank.
The UK Border Agency regulations are clear: Failure to conduct proper checks is deemed the same as deliberately employing an illegal immigrant.
‘Baroness’ Scotland is a criminal. Her offence with regards to the illegal ‘housekeeper’ she employed at 60% of the market rate, incurs an unlimited fine, and up to 6 months in prison.
Fort her other crimes:
1. Perverting the course of justice (fabricating evidence), 4 months to 18 months.
2. Fraud (claiming £170,000 in expenses she was not entitled to), 30 months imprisonment or more.
Gordon Brow is behind this cover-up of criminal offences by this evil trash, ‘Baroness’ Scotland. The dithering, loathsome loon has no respect for anything or anybody. He will do anything to cling onto to power in his deluded state as saviour of the world.
Nu Labour are a nest of filthy sick evil fascist criminals.
So the Dominican AG with the Irish husband denies that the Tongan cleaner with the Serb husband has a PA from New Zealand?
BRITISH JOBS FOR BRITISH WORKERS !!
Less three
One the noble lady has gone – hope they drag it out another week – then there is a small matter of 170k exes to return to. Also heads must roll at UKBA.
Keep up, the guidance has been revised and backdated, so in NuLab speak they will have always been legal!
I didn’t become the Attorney General not to get preferential treatment under the law.
This is giving fine, upstanding members of the House of Lords ( like me ) a bad name.
never get into a fight with a chimney sweep because you will never come out clean: that is directed to the tongan cleaning lady.
let us stop beating around the bush,
eh? baroness scotland, the attorney general, is a lying c’unt.
end of story.
tat the only unclean people in this fight are the Attorney General and gordon
And of course, we have to accept that we have their army of press manipulators like Gusodnnll and damian’s girlfriend (who I suspect is maybe the source of the ‘I have just discovered that I have mislaid ££thousands in valuables’ accusation).
I’m reassured that nobody else on this thread has a Scooby-Doo what’s going on, either. I sometimes think I’m the only one not in the big secret. It’s probably just perfectly normal paranoia.
What’s the simplest explanation? Scotland was busy, couldn’t be bothered to look at the passport properly, Tapui’s only a cleaner after all, didn’t notice it was out of date, made up a story she thought couldn’t be disproved, didn’t take any of it very seriously because she knows that nobody can comply with ALL the rules and has forgotten the Law of Holes – when you’re in one, stop digging.
Try not complying with all the rules when you fill the wrong bin or park in the wrong place you fucking knob.
This Bitch should be executed
Sarcasm dear sir, sarcasm.
But surely the Attorney General of all people would never be so careless where an important matter of the Law is concerned. Unless…. by George, I have it! Unless there were a ‘second Baroness’ involved, one cunningly contrived by a master forger. Find that other Baroness and the case is solved.
Sir William-agree. No cleaner house in a mess no dinner for the evening. Gets assistant to find someone sharpish. Responds to local advert-calls cleaner-interview same day-can you start now?-Yes. Job sorted. No questions asked. Next.
Barry Sheerman MP wants Gordon to deliver a ‘barnstorming speech ‘on
Tuesday in which he abandons his cliches .
That is Labour code for ,”Gordon ,stop telling the usual lies . For God’s sake
dream up some that the electorate haven’t heard before .”
Less ‘tractor statistics’, less ‘moral compass’, less ‘no booms, no busts’, less ‘it’s in Labour’s D-N-A’, less ‘it started in America’……What’s he got left to speak about ??
Please not ‘I’m getting on with the job’ or ‘tghis is operation fightback’ or ‘ the tories are frothing at the mouth to slash frontline services’
How about trying to say something useful about what Labour is going to do, other than ‘getting on with the job’.
‘Barnstorming speech’ IS a cliche.
The poor guy couldn’t abandon cliches any more than he could slough-off his own DNA.
“I get up in the morning to think of new cliches because it’s the right thing to do , the right thing for the economy, the right thing for the country….”
He’s an arselicking twat. When the Scotland story broke he was on Sky ( I think), saying how surprised he was that in these difficult times we, the public and the media didn’t have loftier matters to discuss and that we should all “move along there!”
Pity us in Huddersfield where he has a large enough majority to beat off even the expected NuLiebor collapse.
Guido old chap, you haven’t done a photoshop job to construct this Tongan Passport, have you? Or were you the guy forging the second one for Lolo?
Below is a link to a page showing a Tongan Passport. It’s a bum photo, but at least it looks genuine.
http://www.worldpassports.org/americas/pages/tonga1999.html
That was from 1999. Things change in 10 years…
Ten years out of date.
Could have changed since then.
Don’t think Guido has the lady’s missing passport to photograph.
The new ‘Face of Tesco’ is an illigal immigrant as well for fucks sake.
This country is an island. No land borders. The only way in is by boat,plane or train tunnel.
From a strategic point of view easy to defend.
How then do we have such a problem?
All recent governments have failed in their duty to protect us.
Punish the bastards.
What Dame Shirley Porter, an illegal? Thought that was obvious.
She’s also a kitty fiddler.
Right Everybody You Know The Script : Hand Selected Drones Only To Be Allowed Into The Hall . When Gordon Enters( Even Though Most Of You Hate The C*nt) You Must Cheer And Clap Till You Piss Your Pants And Look Like you Love Him That Will Convince Gordon To Carry On And “The Great Unwashed “To Think The Country Love Him And The Brain Dead Masses Wont Be Able To Get to The Ballot Box Fast Enough “FOUR MORE YEARS ! FOUR MORE YEARS ! FOUR MORE YEARS !
A random thought: Patricia Scotland is a fine example of upward social mobility. It couldn’t happen now, though, because it is no longer possible for a working-class girl to pass her 11-plus and go to the local grammar school, as Scotland did. True, the school went comprehensive while she was there, but no doubt it took a few years to level it down to the approved standards of non-threatening underachievement. She was lucky to be around in the short period of a couple of decades during which working-class children had the chance of a good education.
…and free university tuition…
Don’t mean Teflon Tone and his slimy mate Broon and the beloved Liebour party who say they are for the working class,pulled up the ladder and left their beloved working class clamped to the lowest rung of the ladder,while they went on and pissed the money up against the wall of nothingness and PFI,money that should have been used to help the people of this country.
That’s true.
God knows how kids cope these days.
Whatever school the bitch attended it certainly didn’t teach her any morals.
Can’t we discuss nice things like friendly donkeys or share stories about our favourite confectionary?
Brown’s latest book should be entitled Grim Fairy Tales
He’s grim and a fairy, so fairysnuff.
Why doesn’t the UKBA know if Lolahi had a visa or not ?
I mean fucking hell, digital IDs, retina scans, DNA database, all of them useless because Baroness McTrough said she saw a passport ??
All of NuLiebores massive computer databases simply wasted money.
This whole thing stinks like week old fish.
O/T: The last chance for a lift in Labour poll ratings will be the up-tick in support that all parties get during and immediately after their party conference.
What chance a snap election announced by Brown right after the Labour conference?
Not likely, the best chance they’ve got.
You think this conference is going to give labour a lift?
Not likely.
Another soldier died tonight in Afghanistan.
Let’s have a discussion at conference about the war and the under provisioning of our troops.
Let’s have a discussion why we don’t have a proper war cabinet even though we are at war. Let’s have a discusson about why gordon has no interest in our troops, the war and our military. Why is that?
I’m only speculating. I don’t wish them to get that lift, it’s just an established polling fact:
“And the LDs draw level after their conference
This follows the established pattern for post-conference polls when the party that has just been showcased tends to get a boost.”
http://politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2009/09/27/comres-labour-would-do-better-with-anyone-but-brown/
Agree that we need a proper war footing – we need to invest in the forces, flood Afghanistan with well-equipped troops and achieve a crushing victory.
BBC Ten O Clock News – gordon speaking to a more than half empty hall.
Offering tickets for free then didn’t work? Oh dear!!
Come on Nell would you want to listen to a deluded pill popping nut case trying to connect with the people.
Even liebour lemmings can,t stand that,actually I feel a bit sorry for them when you look at the pile of shite that are leading them to absolute political wipeout.
As for McMentalists connection the only thig he wants to connect with is 240volts and make it in series with the rest of his bunch of marxist bastards
It the scum bags own fault, it just shows what cowardly people they actually are none of them have the guts to just walk up and stick the knife in.
Labour are boring pant pissers in politics, Tories always have a juicy leadership battle.
Just heard Mandelsbum on the BBC say “I’d like a man…” so nothing new there then.
There is an apposite proverb printed in the Mail today .
” Every cock will crow on its own dungheap ”
It is a timely remainder to Labour before the party launches an election strategy. I wish the Mail would stop giving Gordon free advice .
Spain’s socialist govt. raises VAT by 2% to 18%, cos they’re bust.
Hah! UK’s marxist, treacherous, banker’s arse licking socialist govt. will see that and raise it to 22%, but it don’t matter, we’re still bust.
My wife wondered if Baroness Scotland hired the Tongan as a masseuse
The headline in today’s Sunday Times seemed to confirm this:
‘Cleaner turns on Baroness’
I said “tonguing“.
I will never use that agency again.
30% unemployment in Spain at the moment, bet everyone country in the EU isn’t loving it right now.
Don’t they have incapacity benefits and government non-jobs like Gordon has arranged for the ‘Client State’ over here ?
What advice will Angela Merkel have for Gordumb when he calls to congratulate her?
The advice?
“Gordon baby, when I said show your tits, I didn’t mean Balls and Milliband!”
Get real you shithead and dont call me again.
A spokeswoman for Scotland said she had given the same details to the UK Border Agency when they interviewed her, adding: “They completely accepted our version of events.”
Note “our” version not her version
I happened to come across an interesting link to Baroness Scotland.
Lin Homer was chief executive of Birmingham City Council during the 2005 fraud (which I forgot about)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lin_Homer
She then moved on to run Immigration and Nationality Directorate, which became the Border and Immigration Agency and then the UK Border Agency.
A life long labourite not unassociated with corrupt practices, of which I’m sure she was totally unknowing of even though it was her responsibility.
Rewarded for her unswerving loyalty to the labour cause.
Yes, this is the same Lin Homer who accepted what the Baroness Scotland claimed and who decided that a 5,000 fine was acceptable allthough the going rate seems to be 10,000/illegal for other offenders.
A judge described the council as having “thrown the rule book out of the window” the council Lin Homer was CE of.
Source http://archbishop-cranmer.blogspot.com/
The blind Scottish idiot will be onto the dog & bone telling the Tongan High Commission in London to start printing a new passport for the £6 an hour Maid……..”it’s the right thing to do”
follow the u.k government & banksters lead and start printing or be called terrorists..just like them Icelandic Mullahs
Nothing on Al-Beeba 10 o’clock News about this, sure you have a story here Guido? There was plenty about Gordo’s Fightback so I think you might be mistaken!!
BBC 10 o clock news….just after the big plug for snotty, news of germany’s vote.
The commentator kept saying that “they have chosen to move away from the left of centre parties to the centre right”……left of centre..that wouldn’t be socialists, by any chance? The name that cannot be spoken, in case it reminds us of what is going to happen to labour in the next GE?
The other night the BBC were saying that Angela Merkel was the first leader to be re-elected in the recession and that she had concentrated on the economy and was a no nonsense politician.
For a second anyone would have thought the BBC were really talking about McCoward
Having said that, I really wonder if Marr wasn’t trying to push McGay over the edge today hoping (like all at the BBC) that if he goes now someone might come along who can beat the Tories. Fat chance beeboids, the Tories are going to take a fucking sword to you lot next year you leftie bastards.
I’d like to believe that theory, however, like some other posters I am convinced that Marr’s line of questioning was pre-agreed, and worded very carefully. The BBC tongue remains firmly wedged between the labour bum cheeks, and will only be prized away if it is sliced off by an incoming tory administration…one can but hope.
You can have that in writing the tories are not saying much but you can rest assured they have not forgotten the Brown Broadcasting Corporation.
I fear the BBBrown are in for a rude awakening.
Just imagine for a moment moves on the license fee,it would get massive public support and the tories know it,the BBBrown should be afraid very afraid.
I believe it’s one of the B & P’s policies to scrap it as well. Which means Labour and the beeb are in for a shafting sooner or later if the B & P keep stealing their voting base.
Of course they’ll make a deal with the Tory ”devil” (in their eyes of course) to save themselves somehow than face the B & P wolves shutting them down.
Sorry to be a smug git, but I must have had my crystal ball on warp factor 9 on the 23rd:
http://order-order.com/2009/09/23/hesford-hurls-grenade-at-gordon-live-on-five/#comment-261088
“Things that don’t add up concerning Baroness Scotland, the UKBA and Loloahi Tapui:
1) Scotland claims she saw a passport with appropriate visa, but did not keep a copy.
2) Loloahi Tapui’s flat was raided, but it is now claimed that she has gone on the run.
3) The UKBA claim that the passport was tampered with.
4) Has anyone seen a copy of the passport that the UKBA claim to seen?
5) Has the UKBA actually interviewed Loloahi Tapui?
6) If the UKBA has not seen the ‘forged’ documents or interviewed Loloahi Tapui how can they have reached the conclusion that Baroness Scotland in only guilty of a ‘technical’ breach of the law?
It seems to me that there are still very many unanswered questions around this scandal. Until I see evidence to the contrary, I suspect:
1) Baroness Scotland either never checked any documentation, or knowingly employed an illegal immigrant.
2) Loloahi Tapui is actually been kept in hiding by officials of either the Labour Party or government.”
Don’t fret. It has all been noted.
Ah, a warp in the space time continuum? Nicely spotted!
Why did Marr ask Brown if he is addicted to painkillers?
It is tranquilisers (diazepam) that Brown is addicted to, as Adam Boulton correctly alluded to on Sky News this afternoon.
Unless Brown is hooked on opiate painkillers as well?
It’s not nice to be hooked on opiate painkillers. They’re highly constipating. It could explain, however, why Brown’s so full of shit.
Because he isn’t and could therefore truthfully deny it.
No one ever suggested he was addicted to painkillers.
Marr did not mention anti-depressants; he should have done; they affect judgement.
Wouldn’t he dribble?
As the noble Baroness appears to have paying the Tongan(?) lady close to minimum wage, some £2 per hour cheaper than the previous arrangement, there must have been a nod-and-a-wink understanding of some kind.
If the alleged “proper” passport doesn’t turn up, Scotland is out of the game, just like her namesake nation. There is a clear dispute of fact, there is no evidence to substantiate dear Patricia’s claim, and she just happens to be Attorney General.
If Brown had sacked her last week, none of this would have happened….
Brown was too busy popping pills…
Fat Pat’s got the dirt on Gay Gordo the junkie.
Has she got the rocking horse photo?
Labour spin doctors have erupted in fury over Andrew Marr’s question to gordon as to whether he is taking powerful anti-depressants.
Well in truth he didn’t say that – he substituted the unacceptable ‘ antidepressant’ word with the less offensive expression ‘painkiller’.
Why is the BBC always such a lapdog to labour??
Why, Andrew Marr .didn’t you have te courage to ask the right question? And then to stick to it until you got a proper answer?
Gordon Brown is a sociopath who is becoming increasingly agitated and megalomaniacal. They have got him on tranquilisers to try to keep him under some sort of control and to stop him becoming completely deranged and tyrannical.
It’s not working very well!
He’d be a fuck sight worse if he wasn’t doped up.
I guess the No10 pond life thought that a 5 grand fine within 36 hours would shut everyone up.
Got that wrong, didn’t they?
Guido: this is the most disgusting story you have yet reported. If justified, it demands the most thorough investigation.
Brown’s speech this afternoon was delivered to a half empty hall. Disillusionment and apathy is rife in Labour right now, along with a massive and angry whispering campaign against Brown.
There’s also serious rumours of a big (ministerial) resignation before the end of this week.
They daren’t even go door knocking now, such is the hatred among the electorate. I expect they will campaign by post, or leaflets delivered at 1 am when everyone is in bed and cannot pour buckets of shit from the upstairs windows over the sad, handwringing labour activists.
I hear Stephen Pound was spat on and jeered at in Ealing last week.
and that two faced twat Salter in Reading.
Salter was spat at and jeered? any vids?
Two full 747s from the royal city of Nukuʻalofa would have swelled the gathered ranks of Liebour in Brighton if only Baroness Scotland could have arranged some passports for the guests?!!
What resignation would that be:-
1)Bannana Millipede
2)Postman Pat
3)Straw Jack
4)Andy Pandy Burnham(My wife will divorce me if you dont pay me)
5)Ed Bollocks
6)Yvette Bollocks
7)Mrs Benn
8)Bob Ainscough(3rd rate shop steward)
9)Alexander the Great(Giving money away to African despots)
10) The other Millipede(Climate Change Arsehole were did the summer go)
11)Whoever is in charge of the Olyphics already over budget vastly and counting.
Should be interesting if it happens but I doubt it with this bunch of spineless bastards who are interested only in party and not the people or country they are involved in nothing less than treason against this nation.
Scotland Co-operated, or lied like a hairy egg?
Good Night. God Bless.
Don’t forget our troops in Afghanistan which is what Labour wants you to do!!!!!
According to the guardian all talk about the PM’s sanity are confined to ” rumours …so far … reported mainly on rightwing websites.”
Excellent that should see milions more visit this and other similar sites where the truth ( in the main allowing for the usual fruitcakes) will out.
Its been a good conference so far eh Mandleson ?
Ohhhh I do hope The Boy Dave immediately cancels all govt advertising with the Guardian once he is in, even if it does upset his chum Polly. Most of the jobs in the rag are incomprehensible anyway…..steeped in jargon so that the utter uselessness of the (well paid) positions are hidden behind a wall of waffle.
I read on the Guardian today some nutjobs giving the big i am speeches;
‘Anything to keep the tories out’
‘Let’s dig in next year trench warfare and make Cameron and Boy Georges life a living hell’
etc. etc.
WOW so glad lefties respect ‘DEMOCRACY’ in this country……………. talk about throwing your toys of the pram the bunch of whingers.
These people are mentally ill they really are.
Marxism by any other name.
Delusion by any other name you mean !
Listen up, with all the negativity going round what with talk of medication and lying and cheating canI just bring a ray of sunshine to this blog and announce that both Gordon Brown and Baroness Scotlland achieved A + in all A level subjects this year in fact so did all of you. Yay!!!! Who said things arent getting better under Labour !!! Rejoice !!!
I have a a 1st class phd in lieing bullshit. I has saved de world. I is superman. I is Gordon Brown. Borat Obummer may be the president across de pond but he worship me and I suck his cock.
Right thats enough now Lady Scotland time for your medication.
Seems like the MSM is losing interest in this story, which is a great pity. The BBC has taken it off the headlines of its political section in its website.
We need some new revelations to keep it going – it is an absolute disgrace that Scotland is still in office!
Yawn! I’m getting bored with this
I’ve just realised a basic truth. Working has limited appeal when it’s legal. And not just because paying tax would be a dead giveaway. You have to be illegal to get that buzz. Always looking over your shoulder. Fantasizing about being followed or spied on. Cops trying to wrong foot you. Wrong number phone calls. Dodgy looking postmen and meter-readers. Ducking and diving. Never taking a day off, working every hour God sent.
Bit like driving with no insurance, current MOT, V5C, road fund licence, driving licence… You’re the most careful driver on the road.
“So these feelings of paranoia that you are experiencing. Tell me about them. When did they begin?”
Works best in fake Austrian accent.
So then the question arsise as you rightly point out fawkes , did the baroness ok the persons work permit on an out of date passport !!
orwell would be laughing at this i think , 4 legs good , non goverment employers with illegal immigrants bad .
With Lin Homer former Chief Executive & Returning Officer for Birmingham – land of electoral fraud and shopping bags of votes traded in car parks – as Head of the UK Border Agency so I expect clarity ?
If the correct documentation is not recovered, is it possible that the Attorney General could be charged with perjury for lying to the UKBA ?
Shouldn’t the name Jonathan Aitken come to mind?
I wonder if she’ll roll her eyes at the public’s temerity – like she did during her apologette, when faced with an high court judge and twelve good folk and true?
Jack Straw, (aka Shagger straw) the justice secretary, added to the row surrounding Baroness Scotland claiming she was targeted for being a woman.
Crikey! well he should know he has targeted more than a few in his time.
What I find amazing is why did the Tongan, if illegal, think it wise to apply to work for AG when anyone would have thought (mistakenly as it happens) that they would be checked by the security services & subsequently found out to be illegal
The answer is either they were checked out & it was ignored OR the job was given on a nod & a wink & paid cash in hand thereby avoiding tax, stamps AND scrutiny
[...] Guido reported yesterday, the passport that was found by the agency when they raided the flat of Baroness Scotland’s [...]
There is a TV series on Sky called “New UK Border Force”. I watched an episode last night. It is very interesting to see the way “normal” people are treated. Compared to them Scotland was treated like a visiting dignatory.
Gives you a good feel for the corruption of ZaNu Labour.
John Profumo resigned for lying in the House of Commons and never was in a Government again.
Is it conceivable that the Attourney-General would lie? Politicians seem to lie on a regular basis now but for the leading law maker to do so would be a betrayal of this country’s entire moral apparatus.
They called for Cato when things got bad in Rome. Maybe time for a new Censor to be elected. Peter Mandelson need not apply.