Scotland Case Causing Panic
The Sunday Times is calling round every government minister and shadow cabinet member stupid enough to answer the phone, asking them if they have foreign staff working as housekeepers, nannies or as cleaners?
Now of course all of the honourable members will be paying their help in full and above minimum wages, plus national insurance and income tax, first having taken triple copies of their paperwork and satisfied themselves as to their cleaner’s right to work in the country.
Nothing for them to worry about…
Good!
Seconded – could be interesting. Anyone not answering the phone or dodging the questions can obviously expect a journo or two camped outside their homes for the next week or so…
From Guidos ++ Sunlight Reports Baroness Scotland to UK Border Agency ++ thread
Fred Goodwin’s Duck Palace says:
September 17, 2009 at 11:05 pm
It’s about time a Panorama or Dispatches producer realised that a great many of our MP’s and prominent public figures could be caught breaking the Law here while the public get prosecuted.
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Oh well, the Sunday Times beat them to it.
The Times has some ground to make up here, they called this very badly at the start, I dropped Frances Gibb a line after Law Central ‘cleared’ Scotland and attached the full Home Office guidence, she replied that I should rest assured that they would do a follow up. See Law Corner – Go sit in it with your dunce’s hat on
Guidance, I am not illiterate I am just drunk :-)
Ollie you are quite right she has no defence, but I am also wondering why a woman employed by the Attorney General to clean her house was not vetted by the security services or at least by Special Branch. This seems somewhat odd. A woman in her position surely would need to know the person she employed to rummage around her gaff was above board?
Ollie I read your article and followed up all the references, I think you’re quite right. And I think you should mail Sir Michael White and point out th ebasic facts to him too. It beggars belief that this woman hasn’t resigned. She’s caught bang to rights. She should quit, and be prosecuted, and anything else is a national disgrace.
I’m sick of these arseholes thinking they’re above the law, and I’m doubly sick of the bastard *law*, in the guise of cops, CPS, UKBA, inland revenue, accepting it.
One law for all – there is nothing more fundamental. Nothing. If we dont’ have that then the government – the state – has no fucking legitimacy. It is not legitimate. And if that’s the case, we can do any thing in our power to remove it – not just *can*, we *must*.
You’re not sick of them thinking they’re above the law, you’re sick of the fact they ARE!
Has ‘ “herself” a requirement for a work permit??
Doesn’t look too Scottish to me!!!!!!!
All exceptionally well paid. They can afford it!
Opps. Hadn’t thought about the bloody papers doing a scare up.
Mrs Q has been hiring from the docks.
“Rashid, Ahmed – Get your coats. And tell Abuleme the gardener too.”
They claim don’t they so they won’t care meeting the full value of the staff? Of course unless they claim top whack and split the difference with the employee for cash.
Why would they pay them NI? Unless they were hiring them as employees – and I very much doubt that any cleaners, etc meet the HMRC definitions as such, there is no reason to pay NI or withold PAYE.
Cleaners etc are supposed to pay NI like anyone else. The question is who pays it on their behalf. If the cleaner, maid, cordon bleu cook whatever is working solely for that minister then that would appear to be an employer/employee relationship and the employer would be responsible for deducting the employee’s NI as well as making employers’ contributions.
If the cleaner is part time and also working for other households then they would usually be taken on through an agency where the agency is the cleaner’s employer. Alternatively, some cleaners work as self-employed but it is much easier for them to be on the books of an agency.
I suspect that most ministers will have a houseful of full time servants, as is the socialist way, to ape the habits of those they have deposed.
Limey, you need to get on to the HMRC site (www.hmrc.gov.uk) amnd search for the “employment status indicator tool”
Try running a cleaner or a housekeeper through that and see whether such a person should be employed or considered self-employed. This fairly accurately represents the law as it has been interpreted by the courts as we blog.
If they pay them properly we will all have to give the MP’s higher expenses.
They would actually save the tax payer money if they sacked them.
Any job paid for by the state is a non contributing job. In fact, in costs money to tax state employees as we have to pay someone to work out how much of the goverments own money it gets given back in “tax”.
If every state employee was put on the dole tomorrow the country would save millons.
At least the communist Russians knew they had to make tractors and Skodas to sell for money, our state employee’s have a productivity of 0%
British jobs for foreign workers
Russia didn’t make Skodas. And they made bugger-all tractors, either. Though they did generate a lot of tractor stats.
The Russians main industry was paper and vodka and useless pig iron.
They managed to make 1000 ICBMs, about 50,000 tanks, and 35 million Kalashnikovs. But not toilet paper or bath plugs. Must have been smelly in those tanks.
It’s none too rose-scented in our own tanks and AFVs let me tell you. There is a little publicised second use policy for empty compo tins in genuine and potential NBC environments.
The Moskovitch was so bad it made the old Skodas look good. They must have used water based paint given the way they rusted after a sprinkling of rain. Pig iron indeed.
R.I.P. Gipper
PMSL fucking brill!
I think you mean Ladas rather than Skodas.
Top Gear had a feature on cars from the USSR, Clarkson was trying out a Niva 4×4 on a x country course, it got stuck in the mud. Other highlights included the Lada and the Moscovitch.
No wonder Brezenhev had a collection classic cars from the West.
A lot of people I once knew were absolutely besotted with their Ladas. They must have had something going for them. Not so sure about the old Wartburgs, though. Mind you they were DDR, I believe.
If they have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear.
On the other hand, it is good to see somebody is closing in on the cheats. :)
Yeah, with this and the MPs expenses scandal it is quite nice to see the hunters become the hunted.
My brazilian man servant is fully legitimate. I have nothing to hide, so don’t call me.
He does a wonderful job polishing knobs, shining my chest and sweeping all the shit under the carpet (a man of principle, just like me).
Does He Rod Your Drains ? Sounds A Wonderfull Boy ! I Bet He “Bends Over Backwards” To Please You ?
Yes he is legitimate. He can read and write!
I bet you’ve got the shiniest back passage around.
And Every Night He “Pack’s My Fudge” !
He Never Use’s The Front Door He Always Use’s The “Tradesmans Entrance” !
At the end of the day f they pay them net that’s fine: as long of course as the same rules are applied to us plebs of course.
Oho! Well done Sunlight Centre! VERY well done!
Friday evening update: Astounding news! Gordon dithers! Again! Scotland must go! (The person, not the country!)
Oh, this is delicious. The filthy Labourites have been passing endless new laws, creating the database state and surveillance society, victimising small businesses and harassing the average citizen with reams of bureaucracy and pointless regulation.
Now, they are running scared because they are at last being held to account for both the laws they have passed and then their own neglect in adhering to them. I hope the fuckers really suffer. Priceless.
sorry chum you didn’t read Guido’s post properly
“calling round every government minister and shadow cabinet member”
all the piggy MP’s are running scared now
Same applies, they are the legislature and so have to pay the consequence of the crapulous laws passed. If a Tory MP has been employing an illegal I hope the bastard gets stuffed too.
However, I suspect that the hired help for the average shadow minister is less likely to be problematic… old Mrs Miggins, ‘the lady what does’ from the village probably didn’t get smuggled in by hiding under a Border Agency bus from Sangatte…
You just know really whats going to happen.
When a ‘Councillor Bogthorpe’ Conservative chair from Lower Bugglesworth Parish council is found to have passed by a cleaner 3 years ago in a motorway service station who apparently was an illegal it will be splashed across the BBC for the next 3 weeks.
Meanwhile the real culprits are allowed to slither away into the undergrowth. Standard procedure in such cases don’t you know.
The Sunay Times should b phoning around local authorities asking them if they are involved in any litigation against individual citizens who they don’t like.
Their policy now seems to be to crush all oponents using taxpayers’ cash.
See here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/may/21/interviews.society
And here: http://www.planningresource.co.uk/bulletins/Planning-Resource-Daily-Bulletin/News/931344/Leeds-humungus-mess-delegated-powers-blunder/?DCMP=EMC-DailyBulletin
Now Now Guido ! Now They Are “on Rations” They May Have To Bend The Rules A Bit, To Make Ends Meet. Please remember These Are The Jobs They told Us WE Dont Want ! So It’s OK For Them To Take The Dreg’s
Lets Hope That The Sunday Times Has Done Its Homework And Already Knows Who Has Illegals Working For Them . Now Lets Watch These Fucking Scum Sqirm And Lie Their Arse’s Off To Try And Justify Breaking THEIR LAW ! In English Law Ignorance Is Not A Defence !
Unless Your An MP !
We have the cleaners documents nice and safe and we have put them in the same place as the Glenrothes voters register.
Whenever opinion polls say Labour are finished,I think of the strange case of the missing marked register and the peculiar result at Glenrothoes.
They Must Be Under Blair’s Receipts ,Behind All the Evidence From “Cash For Honours” Case ! This Lot Are Utter Scum !
Also in the same place as the documents which might prove Mr Megrahi to be innocent and the UK and US Governments to be a little grubby round the edges and in need of a cleaner – illegal or otherwise.
For nulaba ignorance is a way of life
This might be The Times’ equivalent of The Telegraph’s expenses story.
I Really ,Really Hope So This Lie-Bore Scum Are On The Edge ! They Just Need One More Little Push !.
Good point. C’mon Thunderer – make some bloody noise. Bring down this despicable government.
Let’s hope a few big un’s get sunk, it’ll be funny for Gordon to lose a few more cabinent members.
And His Scummy Unelected Lords !
The PLP could learn much from ‘The Church of Jones’. Visitors and observers may wish to avoid the grape pop at conference or any exhortations to “ha’e a drink on me!”
Funny how postman pat is quiet about the disruption Royal Mail are causing.
Yes! I had noticed that! Maybe his letter of principled resignation is caught up in the pile of 20 million letters?
People have got to realise that these laws were passed for the little people to obey, not the Nomenklatura. It is an outrage that a member of the Politburo should be insulted with these questions.
Be vewwy, vewwy quiet…I’m hunting woverment winisters!
mmm dont who writes cleggs soundbites but perhaps he should fire them .
“they will put the con back into conservatives ”
mmmm so that means you will be putting the Li in Liberal then .
so waiting for cutting EU costs oopps is it missing from vinces speech ??
“Nothing for them to worry about…”
Well, they got away scot-free with the expenses scandal.
This’ll just be another brick in the wall behind and from which the Lib/Lab/Con trick carries on business as usual: pissing from a great height on the denizens of the zoo they’ve made of the country.
They might toss the odd nonentity or apostate over every now and again, for appearance’s sake.
That the Attorney General has not already resigned or been sacked says it all.
Like the rest of the Zanulab junta, she thinks she’s untouchable. Her moment will come.
wrong.. just Like the rest of the Zanulab junta she IS untouchable
Hard to spin your way out of a bayonet charge.
Next Summer’s going to be VERY interesting…..
So Guido what have you up your sleave, i think you know something
TELL TELL TELL
joolzg
Ah, the sleeve of sleaze.
it is an accident of course, well getting caught is an accident AT THE VERY LEAST, but negligent stupidity is not an excuse for members of parliament, or they would all be pleading mitgating circumstances for their actions.
if you do 35 in a 30 zone you get pinged for it. you know the rules and if you do not stick to them a fine is required to be paid.
baroness scottie is no different.
loss of earnings and pension really should be a formality, but with labour it is just another lunatic with limited ability put in a position of running the asylum.
i dont think any of them will be too worried. just like with HRH Baroness Scotland it will be the The UK Border Agency who investigates. thats the Agency who catches illegal immigrants and lets them go again as long as they promise to report to the police every week while its decided whether to kick them out of the country. surprisingly most of them disappear. what better department could you have to carry out an enquiry?.
They’ll find a way to blame the Conservatives for this.
After all, it was their fault…wasn’t it…
Why didn’t I think of that ? Must bring it up in the next “editorial” awayday
CAn’t think why Gordon hasn’t sacked her – not least for infringing his “British Jobs for Tongan Workers” policy as reiterated to the TUC last week.
He doesn’t sack anyone.
It’s the right thing to do.
This is one of the things that fatally wounded John Major – his almost stubborn refusal to sack people which in his view was “pandering to the media” even when it was obvious even to a dis-interested observer that the pereson in question needed sacking and when inevitably after weeks of wrangling in the press they WERE sacked it just damaged Major more in the eyes of the public enabling Blair to wound him even more in the credabilty stakes.
A Prime Minister has to be utterly ruthless in certain circumstances to both friend and foe alike if it becomes obvious that such a matter is damaging the government’s credability as in this case of Baroness Scotland.
Leaving aside whether she is deemed to have been foolish;complicit;arrogant or whether she is a friend to Brown or not SHE has put the Prime Minister in an inviduous position by not offering her resignation immediately once this story broke and shows more than anything else that her judgement is also suspect and if on this what else ? (I will concede that she MAY have offered her resignation immediately and Brown refused to accept it in which case the bigger fool him)Obviously a Prime Minister wishes to be support a colleague and not seen to be reacting to what he perceives is a campaign whipped up by a newspaper but Brown is only damaging his own reputation as a decisive leader(no laughter please).by appearing to dither.When eventually Patricia Scotlands goes- as she will-Brown has a further scar from this when it could have been dealt with quickly and with less fuss before it became such a “cause celebre” for the media
Whatever people may say or think about Cameron – he IS utterley ruthless even to friends in his pursuit of the Premiership and had Patricia Scotland been in a Cameron government she would have been gone by 8.00am the morning the news broke whereas this episode just reveals Brown to have spent years scheming for the top position only to be found to not have the necessary streak of courage required to act when necessary for the standing of his government. He must realise surely that Patricia Scotland CANNOT continue to preside as the most senior law office with any remaining credabilty.All authority SHE has is seeping away.She can no longer perform her role with the necessary gravitas and whatever your political view THAT factis bad for the country not just Labour
She never had any gravitas in the first place. Look at her in that get-up. Fucking ludicrous.
Thats a very good analysis. I always said that this reluctance for ministers to “do the decent thing” probably started with Cecil Parkinson when maggie -in a rare moment of weakness- did not dismiss him immediately. What has followed since over the years is a host of ministers refusing to step down when caught doing all kinds of shenanigans. Whilst the Conservatives have not been immune to this behaviour it is clear that this current Government have perfected it down to an art form.
The ironic thing is , the people in this country are quite a forgiving lot. Any MP who if when caught out were to immediatley resign ( as in the old days) lie low for a while and do his/her penance would be quite likley welcomed back by the Public some time later. These idiots of course dont see it that way.
Because Like Gordon She Is”Getting On With The Job” And Has To Make The “Tough Decisions”She Is Now Looking For A Cleaner Called “Prudence Who Is Good With A “BROOM AND DUST” !
A case of no return to broom and dust for her cleaner.
“if it becomes obvious that such a matter is damaging the government’s credability as in this case of Baroness Scotland”
One presumes they had some credibility to actually damage in the first place but they don’t but the point is well made all the same
He sacked anEnglishman to give her the job.
The ruling class will always find a way of obtaining their slaves. At least the Romans were open about it.
What do you think the interest paid on gilts is?
The danger here is finding a load illegal migrant cleaners, so Scotland can says “it’s not just me – everyone doing it”. No defence under the law of course, but enables her Ladyship to cling on to some flimsy moral justification.
BTW, who cleans the Sunday Times offices?
The same people who cleaned the “Home Office” ?
Both these replies just highlights the insane situation the country finds itself in. If a job needs doing who is going to do it?
Ultimately it is a failure of this and previous governmens, but mainly this one because they opened the broken doors to let the millions in.
This one is probably worth taking a look at as well: ‘Her background until she was created Baroness Amos of Brondesbury in 1997 was in local government, working in the inner-city London boroughs of Lambeth, Camden and Hackney.’
Oh, dear!
Brondesbury is in Brent not the posher Camden. This woman has a habit of claiming alignment to places she has never been. What next? Queen of Sheba?
The Noble Baroness is Grace Jones and I claim my £5.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3020009.stm
Sebastian Shakespeare said this week in the “London Evening Boris” he never vetted his cleaner, given the fact that he gets deliveries of manure in his front garden I cannot imagine people forming a queue to work for him and clean up his mess !
Does Anyone Know Where I Can Get A Couple Of Philipino Teenagers To ” Sink My Shaft”Or” Unload My Rocks”"Work On My Face” ? “Polish My Helmet”Or”Extract My Load” ? Any Help Welcome !
Ha ha hee hee, I am the Government Inspector you see
I investigate you, not you me
For I am the Government Inspector you see!
I always pride myself on clean toilets ! You can tell a lot about a person by how clean their toilet is I think !!
The person who decides how clean toilets should be
Is the Government Inspector
So that would be me!
You Could Eat Your Dinner Out Of My Toilet !
If You Want !
Yeah I used to
Mmmmmm.
Baroness Amos!
Mr Wilks must be spinning in his grave.
Nay, nay, nay!
The fact is that Baroness Scotland and the rest of them in the Labour government can’t understand what all the fuss is about !! Methinks they’ve been in poower too long and forgotten their Labour”working class roots”(hahahahahahahhahahahhahhahhahahahhahhaahahha)
If the Sunday Times want a good story, why don’t they sniff around G4S, the contractors UKBA utilise for the repatriation of undesirables? Travelling the world on the back of a library card is just not cricket!
As Michael White pointed out in his article in the Guardian there are three lawyers involved in this act of neglect. Apart from Scotland, both her husband and the husband of the cleaner are lawyers.
Any indication as to how she was recruited?
And [snob coming to the fore here] anybody know a lawyer whose wife works as a cleaner. Bit infra dig one would have thought.
“And [snob coming to the fore here] anybody know a lawyer whose wife works as a cleaner.”
A very interesting point Sir.
Surely you are not implying that this is simply another expenses scandal involving money paid out to pals under the guise of cleaning services are you ?
Dr Paisley had a regular expense, I recall, for ‘cleaning services’.
Anyone care to check that out?
May I crave your indulgence for a moment?
Tweet #votenoireland.
Pacto Olisipiensis Censenda Est.
That is all.
Should be easy to track down the guilty -presumably most claim the cleaning expenses back ? Expenses claims -don’t you just love them.
I wonder if Gordon’s flat cleaner is an illegal?
could there be more to come ? a excuse to scrap the house of lords and rob the taxpayer for another house of commons in the house of lords more spads more spin lies and we will be mugs for thinking it will solve the problem
History repeats itself:
The UK is once again becoming the “sick man of Europe” as profligate monetary policy, structural banking problems, and a bankrupt economy drives the pound towards parity with the Euro.
Euro/Sterling parity by March of next year:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/currency/6207852/Pound-will-fall-to-parity-with-euro.html
Story has died overnight, in the broadsheets anyway. Not that any of them made that much of it in the first place. Do all editors use black slave labour illegal immigrants as well?
Mail’s still on it – the Mail counts.
Of course the get-out for Scotland is if allt he Tories are at it too. I wonder.
it is interesting to note that despite failing to follow the laws she helped frame and despite embarrassing the government, baroness scotaland has still not resigned.
she is without honour.
but ’tis not surprising, after all, jacqui ’soapytitwank’ smith did not resign when it was discovered her deparment hired illegal unchecked workers who had access to the Prime Minister’s car. jacqui smith put the PM’s life at risk because she was not up to the job and yet she did not resign.
so we should not expect the incomptent baroness to resign either.
most tellingly, for a person involved in a profession that demands accuracy and thorough scrutiny was that she should be so slap dash with her own legal affairs.
quite incredible really and certainly indicative that there is more to this story.
note to baroness scotland: resign. you are fucking useless love, but more importantly if you stay it will cost the labour party thousands and thousands of votes because it proves that labour impose their strict laws on everyone but themselves.
erm actually, thinking about it why don’t you stay as long as you like you useless corrupt bastard!
excellent, more votes for the independents.
good work.
TaT.. “more to this story”…. Perhaps it is the lawyer link? The cleaner’s husband is a solicitor. Doesn’t he earn enough? Perhaps Scotland knew them through the legal link.
ah, now that sounds like a very comfortable and friendly arrangement, doesn’t it?
what could possibly be wrong with helping one’s friends from time to time, eh?
fucking lawyers, I knew it !
Jacqui Smith should have got a medal for putting the PM’s life in danger.
Her husband simply tossed it off as unimportant.
As an aside, where is the Tongan cleaning-lady? Is she still in the country? If so, why? Surely the £500 million per day borrowing requirement could cover the cost of a flight to Tonga?
The Baroness looks like she may have had a close shave
What ? Is ’she’ a trannie ?
Just ugly.
And another thing.
Scotland has put herself in an awkward situation in another way. She, as a high ranking government law officer, has inadvertently but embarrassingly allowed herself to become involved with a person who has in the past, and might well in the future, appeal her status as a resident.
Let’s appeal the Tongan’s status and put it directly to the Baroness, see what she does!!!
Turning our attention to the Tongan’s side of the story. I read that she is married to a solicitor. Formerly a Serbian but now a British national.
Serbia is not in the EU so it begs the question how a Serbian national has acquired UK citizenship. I accept there could be good reasons but the cynic in me disbelieves them just as readily.
does that allow her to work here?
I can see the start of a loophole ploy through which the right (dis) honourable Hooness will slither through and escape
perhaps Blunkett “arranged” a visa for her?
I wonder if this Alexander Zivancevic, serb lawyer, now with apparent British citizenship is at all related to Alexander Živanović, serb lawyer, once of the Helsinki Citizens Assembly, a group in receipt of vast pots of cash from Soros, and alleged to be in receipt of funding from the CIA, who were among the eager hordes of NGOs keen to propagandise for the Kosovo war?
Even if he were, I’m sure I can’t imagine why the Labour government might in any way wish to reward people who provided a quasi-legal excuse for their military adventures and subsequent warcrimes.
If she’s married to this foreign (alleged British by virtue of UK stupidity) wanker why does she NEED to work in such a lowly job?
Squeaky bum time again.
Tongan cleaners are sooooo last century. I’m very happy with my retro cockney lady who ‘does’ for me.
All those years of cruelty and fear with Phil Spector were bound to take their toll….
Id give the dusky lawyer a good Tongan if she wanted it
Crack bitch Scotland tells it like it is
One can see how university standards might have slipped,an d the power of the race card has increased – aren’t we lucky to have her!
If it looks like a monkey – it probably is.
Er… wasn’t the Home office under the foul 5 bellies spliff employing hundreds of illegals? Didn’t the House of Commons also have illegal cleaners working there?
Isn’t the one eyed jock gay boy an illegal? if not he fucking should be.
RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It all started in Oceania !
So an illegal can turn up and see mandelslime for a passport,Blunkett for a visa and Baroness fuckwit for a job……..welcome to Britain a soft touch for any fucker.
Time we got used to it. All Government Minisiters and MPs are ABOVE the law.
It is rather ironic that a Labour Government have built an aritocracy of untouchable “Politicians professionals” that the “Landed Gentry” would be proud of. Never has “privilege” been so to the fore in our society than under this Labour administration. Remember though crooks, Archer and Aitken still went to Jail. This lot have got off without as much as a court appearance never mind a jail sentence.
I was part of a hypocracy!