Family Blame PM : “Brown Should Sack Himself Now”
The family of Serjeant Paul McAleese blame the Prime Minister for his death. His father John McAleese, a former SAS member who was involved in the dramatic raid that ended the 1980 siege on the Iranian Embassy said his son had said there were not enough troops to monitor areas cleared of explosives. “Top brass have repeatedly told Gordon Brown what they need, but he won’t listen,” he said, “The military must be allowed to get on with the job. If not, Brown should sack himself now.”
Sjt McAleese’s father-in-law, Stephen Minter, wrote to the Prime Minister earlier this month to say that the family was “extremely angry” because his death was “needless and avoidable” and the PM had a duty to ensure that troops had the best equipment available and that the operational tactics were “sound and sensible”…”Failing to ensure this will be seen as an act of neglect and should not be allowed to go unanswered”.
Listen, I’m getting on with the job. Under-equiping soldiers is a global problem. It’s happening in America. It fact it happened there first.
“equiping”
This word is underequipped with “p”s.
the word “illegal” also comes to mind with new lab’s foreign adventures
The word terrorist comes to mind when thinking of muslim “adventures”.
They are not “illegal” – the Houses of Commons and Lords both voted in favour of armed intervention in both Afghanistan and Iraq (though many suggest that they were misled over Iraq). Whether or not these wars are morally justifiable is another question.
UN mandate I’m afraid. Perfectly legal in terms of international law. The damnable failure to provide is the MORAL failure of this government. The wisdom of the enterprise is another issue, but if you commit troops you bloody well support them over and above any other call on the state’s means.
engineer and richard are both wrong.
pre-emptive acts of aggression against sovereign states are illegal under international law. whether corrupt MPs and Lords voted for it has nothing to do with the price of eggs and has indeed led to the cost of the unnecessary loss of British soldiers’ lives.
occupation is also in breach of international law as is torture. these are the crimes that americans, we the British and the Israelis are all guilty of.
never mind the clash of culture propaganda Guido keeps pumping out, until countries begin to follow international law we will continue to live in this anarchy.
engineer you really are a criminally minded bastard aren’t you? engineer of cruise missiles perchance you arms dealing whore?
and I thought I told you to keep your nose clean but here you are ignoring international law.
you are a criminal and a liar.
now fuck off you wanker.
note to self: bash engineers fucking brains in, he has exposed himself as a warmongering c’unt.
note to engineer: better put your tin hat on fuckface: time to die.
Thick as thieves. Read please…. Afghanistan is a UN mandated operation it is legal. Iraq was not UN Mandated and was illegal. Subsequently it was legalised as the situation was ‘fait accompli’.
Both wars are ridiculous, but I support the troops and would dearly love to get each and everyone of them out unscathed.
pre-emptive acts of aggression are illegal under international law.
occupation and torture are both illegal under international law.
you are a dimwit richard. be quiet you war crime apologist.
Be aware TaT is a hamas supporter so his ability to preach on Law is ZERO.
Tat,
Now I am a libertarian, but, I have been at odds with a scenario. Its the imagae of my neighbor telling me over my fence that he hates me and wants to enslave my family. Every night he goes off to his shed and beavers away. And every morning he tells me again that he hates me and wants to enslave my family.
How do Atheist LIBERTARIANS deal with it dude?
anticitizen,
israel is not alone, hamas is also guilty of committing war crimes.
I do not support any organisation or country that murders civilians.
and such an accusation made by a zionist fascist occupier like you illustrates that you clearly have a complete lack of insight into your true position.
know thine enemy anticitizen, not create thine enemy.
your mind is bovine and you are too dim to understand such deep thought, so you will have to have a settlement imposed upon you, you will need to be shepherded by President Obama to the promised land.
moooo!
bod,
God’s chosen people are the peacemakers.
get with the peace programme motherfucker.
that is the answer to the security of israel, to be at peace with her neighbours.
simple innit.
legal or illegal is simply a matter of opinion in the absence of a court ruling – and as everyone knows that will not happen this debate is just hot air.
incorrect again.
war crimes have been committed by Britain, america and israel.
that the individuals who are responsible for ordering war crimes to be committed have not been sentenced in a court of law does not detract from the fact that they have are guilty of committing those war crimes.
please have more than hot air to offer when you next post anonospaz.
thankyou.
tat, as usual there’s a large dollop of truth in what you say, but I fail to see why you have to attack Engineer. He’s one of the most level headed of the bloggers here, and is always interested in taking in to account someone else’s opinion.
Iraq war was not illegal in any sense. It was mandated by the same resolutions as first GW which did authorise invading Iraq. In fact GW 2 was a continuation of GW1 including policing no fly zone.
According to the International Criminal Court there are no outstanding war crimes issues arising out of Iraq.
If the General Assembly chooses to initiate an ‘advisory’ (as it did over the Security Fence in Israel/Palestine) it could do so. To date it has not.
I, TaT, am not an apologist for war crimes, believe me.
pre-emptive acts of aggression are illegal under international law.
occupation and torture are both illegal under international law.
you are a dimwit stormforce. shut your gobby mouth you war crime apologist c’unt.
barefootcontessa,
engineer is a tory troll and a liar. I will deal with him as I see fit.
exactly the same spin Bliar’s Attorney General Goldsmith tried to put on the war stormfront. sadly it’s complete bollocks
7 March 2003
Following a meeting with Jonathan Powell, Tony Blair’s chief of staff, and Sir David Manning, his foreign policy adviser, Lord Goldsmith produces a 13-page document weighing legal arguments, complete with caveats.
13-17 March 2003
A nine-paragraph document is drawn up to persuade Sir Michael Boyce, the Army’s chief of staff, that British troops would not be charged with war crimes in the event of an attack on Iraq.
17 March 2003
The Prime Minister presents the document ‘on one side of an A4 page’ to the Cabinet to convince waverers, including Clare Short, of the justification for an attack on Iraq. It is made public.
19 March 2003
Two days after the A4 document is produced in Cabinet and used by Mr Blair in the House of Commons, the shock and awe campaign begins with the bombing of Baghdad.
24 March 2005
The Government is challenged to publish the whole of Lord Goldsmith’s 13-page legal advice amid claims he believed war was illegal less than two weeks before the invasion. The claims were based on the leaked resignation letter of Elizabeth Wilmshurst, The Foreign Office’s deputy legal adviser.
24 April 2005
Fresh evidence emerges that ministers were told the war could be in breach of international law for at least six reasons. A detailed account of the document in the press suggests Lord Goldsmith did not believe the war was legal without a second UN resolution – despite the Government’s claims.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/the-attorney-generals-advice-on-the-iraq-war-506005.html
The ‘illegal’ war concept is the biggest load of bollocks to gain currency in recent times. There are too many fucking lawyers around already.
Wars are either justified or unjustified, which is a political decision or, in some cases, a simple matter of survival. When the Germans were threatening to invade Britain I would suspect that the last thing in the minds of the RAF pilots was whether the Germans’ actions were legal or not.
And on top of that was is about power. The ‘winners’ decide what is legal or not. The losers then get shot, strung up or whatever according to victors justice. That’s the way it’s always been and always will be. I mean, should we sue the Romans for their ‘illegal’ occupation of Britain and should the Indians sue us for British colonial occupation.
http://www.inlap.freeuk.com/caw_chapter_13.pdf
http://www.inlap.freeuk.com/case.htm
A little light reading Eng – please do, it will boil your water. There is a clear and cynical breach of Article 2(4) of the Charter of the United Nations and that, by fuck, is a crime in any signatory’s book. I’d be having Goldsmith’s passport off him for starters.
And there certainly isn’t a ‘j’ in Sergeant, so it follows that the abbreviation of his rank isn’t ‘Sjt’.
In the rifles, it’s spelt “Serjeant”
C’unt.
There most certainly is, in certain regiment as the rank of sgt and sjt are attributed to lance corporals in mounted regiments and certain guards rgts.
Former Defence Secretary John Reid secured a £50,000 job with a private security company operating in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Dr Reid, who famously boasted in 2006 that he expected British forces being sent into Helmand would leave again ‘without a shot being fired’, is to be a consultant to G4S Security Services.
Is that true?
Yes
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1111702/John-shot-fired-Reids-50-000-Iraq-security-job.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1161911/Security-firm-lands-MoD-job-months-John-Reid-joins-consultant.html
Simply continuing a long tradition most prominently represented by Jonathan Aitken.
So Jonathan Aitken helped to start a war, personally directed the deployment of British to that war, starved them of resources, misrepresented the strategic situation for partisan ends…..and then left his job for a well-paid sinecure with a company that has profited massively from the policies he helped to create?
No, I really don’t think he did. Looking back at the dark days of so-called Tory sleaze back in the 1990s, I’m struck now by how limited the corruption was, how few people were involved and how junior they were. Compare the corruption of the Tories in 1996 with the corruption of Labour today. It’s like comparing a child playing with a toy gun to an SS Panzer Division.
199 Well wouldn’t you know! That lovely little man doctor Reid – you’d think he’d have squirrelled enough away already wouldn’t you?
John Reid – a third rate Scots liar. What makes him a security specialist? Low life bastard, turd.
Brown isnt fit to clean the boots of the soldiers out there. never mind be in charge of the funding for them
He wouldn’t be able to. Have you seen his piss-stained footwear?
That’s just a reflection my crotch.
He’s not fit to empty our soldiers’ latrines. Nor is a single one of those bastards in the MOD.
has Brown underfunded the reply to this family?
Well said. Total lack of respect for the electorate is one thing, requiring our armed forces to go to their deaths through being improperly equipped is the sort of thing you should go to a dark circle in hell for.
Was this topic never covered at the manse during moral compass lessons in his youth?
The Governments lack of funding for the armed forces is a disgrace. Now there`s rumours of the Tories scrapping Trident. Meanwhile Obama scraps the nuclear shield …….
Scrap trident and we may be able to afford the equipment the troops really need.
Brown won’t sack himself – the bastard thinks he’s right…
Only because all the bastards in No 10 keep telling him that.
The only bastard in No 10 telling Gorgon that he’s right is Gorgon, himself
Does that include all the bastards that put him in No 10?
How suspicious that successive ZanuLabour Regimes have had our troops tied up in pointless wars of sacrifice.
If this were continental Europe, the tanks would have ring Parliament by now and the cobblestones aimed at the windows of our feckless and dangerous leadership……….
How true.
But it appears the British prefer a cup of tea and a quiet moan than to take on these cretins…..
There is a quiet anger reverberating around the nation and it could turn nasty
I’d like to see a military coup and have done for some time… simply because comparing service personnel with those in public office, the services are head and shoulders above them in expertise, integrity and competence.
Come on guys — take them out!
You’re wrong there. I’ve arranged with Simon Cowell and Brucie to feed the great unwashed with a diet of Saturday night pap. Keeps the buggers off the streets. They can’t touch me.
Susie, head and shoulders above politicians is exatly why it will not happen – the Army wouldn’t lower itself to do such a thing.
They should deploy our secret weapon agaist Terry Taliban – General Tony Blair, the greatest soldier ever. It was he who wanted all these overseas adventures and the Labour Party were to stupid and/or spineless to stop him. Give hima gun and send in Blair.
Time to start looking after ourselves. Completely. With our own deterrent. Obama is raising the drawbridge!
If only.
The military dont have the leadership, they dont have the tools, they dont have the numbers. And Susie, with maybe two honourable exceptions, Dannatt and Richards, the rest of the military hierarchy are as much a part of the problem (they were in staff posts during the last ten years overseeing procurement fuckups of the highest order) as they are a potential solution. The only thing they give a fuck about is their gold plated pensions and climbing the greasy pole. Jock Stirrup is the military equivalent of Gordon Brown. An over promoted, self aggrandizing Hunt of the highest order, not fit to be a leader of men.
Plus the pigs have been so heavily politicized that any coup would be undermined and snuffed out within 5 days.
Sorry guys. Aint gonna happen.
Your best hope of a coup is going to be the English Defence League… a bunch of half retired f*cking Millwall “fans”.
Hope you’ve got lots of teabags in, its going to be a loooooong haul… The English populace dont have the stomach for it and they dont have an inspirational leader to rally around. They arent up for doing anything about it, half of the fuckers cant even be arsed to vote for fucks sake, let alone take part in armed insurrection!
and to stay away from animals because the Health Protection Agency has told them to.
…and a quiet moan…
Speak for yourself.
Dangerous is surely an understatement.
Our troops are dying in a wasteful fuck up and what do the comrades do at that other pathetic sideshow – the TUC conference – ban high heels……
They would say that, wouldn’t they….
Is that high heels for ‘men’ as well? I lot of males at the BBC like high heels I hear.
And former MI6 officers.
And the saddos at the Lib Dem “conference” have just called for a ban on “airbrushed pictures.”
Don’t these halfwits understand that there are a tad more important issues confronting us right now?
Don’t they know there is a war on?
So Sarko won’t be guest of honour next year, then.
no not after the high heel ban
No time. Sarky and Papa Berlusconi are starring as Dopey and Randy in the remake of Snow White. Although they may meet George Osborne – apparently he is a bit confused by the title.
Defence Defence Defence – looks even more dangerous than Education Education Education. The latter is incompetence the former is sedition. This is a dangerous and seditious government which leaves disaster in its path wherever it treads.
And the Prime mentalist is the most dangerous man since Adolf Hitler.
MAH – there have been SEVEN socialist wars since Holy Tony and Queen Slot Gob first goose stepped triumphantly into Downing Street.
Perhaps they wanted the squaddies out of the country as soon as possible for nefarious reasons.
If they really wanted to win these wars and minimise deaths and maiming, they would have found the readies easily…..
Anyone know any of the 25% of morons still supporting these sinister bastards???
personally I don`t associate with such people anyway. The Tories are bad enough.
The tories are war mongers. Newlabour are addicted to war.
At least the tories would fund any war they went into. Remember MrsT going to war?
We’ll give our troops whatever they say they need to win!
Where’s gordon in this war?
barefootcontessa is a surrender monger.
Quite right Nell – how else would they divert state cash to their friends companies and then get it back as donations.
Anti Citizen One is just a mong.
@Nell
You may be right, but The Falklands was a damn close-run thing. Artillery was nearly out of ammunition, much capital went when the Atlantic Conveyor was attacked on 25 May 1982, and had it not been for the remarkable resilience, courage and endurance of our people on the ground all would have been lost. I don’t doubt that Thatcher was prepared to give all her support and more, but the fact is that we got pretty close to logistic failure – and that would have been catastrophic.
The trouble is that those lessons have been ignored.
One Chinook, Bravo November, survived and is today operating in Afghanistan. That in itself is a measure of how appallingly equipped our people are.
Yes I agree. Trouble is the longer this war goes on and the longer gordon prevaricates over giving proper support, too many of our lads are going to die.
I think we should bring them home because I don’t think we are going to win. On the other hand if we can’t do that then I think we need a government who will give them every support, every piece of kit possible.
As one who was there, it was closer than it needed to be. The defence review the preceding year determined we did not need aircraft carriers or HMS Endurance. ( I think HMS Eagle’s sale to the Aussies was put off so we could send two carriers) Argentina interpreted this as a lack of will to retain the islands and invaded.
If one carrier had been sunk, it was end of the operation.
Their kit was better than ours and Maggie refused US help. (Reagan offered a carrier task force) She wanted a British victory. Try explaining that one to the relatives and mates of the 258 who died.
I’m afraid meddling politicians,budget cuts and daft wars are nothing new and no, Maggie did not give the guys on the frontline what they needed. Willpower and professionalism did the necessary.
That will not be enough in Afghanistan unless someone figures out how to fight the war and what it’s for-that’s not just fuckwit Broon and the MOD but the generals,who bear as much responsibility as the politicians for the shambles.
Yes I am bitter -we have been fighting guerilla wars since 1950,so we should be able to figure it out from our past experiences – all gained at the price of young men’s lives,yet still the politicians and the general’s play politics.
gotcha
gordo just cannot make a decision
Sarge @216 – a lot of what you say is true, and I respect your opinion. But its not true the yanks didn’t help. The RAF got sidwinders and proper fuel off the yanks – the brillcream boys didn’t know the planes flew that fast till they got real fuel. Also, there was a lot of intel. Weinberger told US Defence to give us what we wanted, and thats why he was “knighted”. The quality of the troops on the ground certainly won the victory.
Monkey, you’ve had too much of the Sun.
But thankfully this is Britain and the last time such stupidity was attempted (by Mountbatten , various Tory politicians and a few middle ranking officers in the 70s) even the Tory press acted to expose the plot.
Hear, hear Guido
Ditto
Several former Chiefs of Defence Staff said that Gordon Brown either did not turn up or ignored the opportunitities to attend briefings from senior officers at the MOD for Treasury Ministers.
Contempt.
Gordon Brown.
He really is a hoon.
The hoon of hoons is as mad as a box of monkeys and still they let him ‘get on with the job’.
In all fairness to the Gorgom, he is ‘ getting on with the job ‘ ?
Whats a bit of bullshit and the odd wasted lives of 216 soldiers here and there.. when there is Three Trillion Dollars worth of untapped ‘ natural resources’ at stake ?
” Keeping the streets of Britain safer ” ? from whom .. exactly !
FFS !
Give me fucking strength .
TAPI ?
He has no respect for the military whatsoever. Crazy policies all round.
Scallywag,
I am sure that monkeys would be offended if they found out that you were comparing them to that hoon McBroon
The trouble with Brownstain is that he’s a twat. Just a fat, pathetic twat.
He keeps writing about an attribute known as courage, which is ironic in itself as the fat twat has never experienced it, and never will, he is by nature a fat, overweight, doublegutted, triple chinned yellowbellied coward who relies on bullshit, bluster and spin- oh and the aforementioned “cock a deaf un” when anyone tries to inform him of anything.
In short he’s a twat who needs dropping off in the middle of Helmand, with fuck all but a water pistol and no water for it,and 60kg’s of rocks in a rucksack and third hand ill fitting boots, 180k’s from the nearest friendly area.
Lets see HIM stick it out in Sangin for a week even without shit running down his leg when the rpg’s start flying.
Gordon, youre a coward, nothing more than a fat bully with a small penis and a big opinion of yourself.
Do the right thing for once and overdose on your meds fatboy.
But, putting ones feelings or Moral Compass aside for a moment … think about the oil… ?
Three trillion Dollars is one shit load of money after all ?
What Oil? You’ll notice even the soviets didn’t bother with the gas there.
There’s plenty more oil and gas, plenty cheaper to extract all round the world.
Go back your peak oil delusions.
You are right AC1 – we should try Uganda for a start, and since we are told the Special Relationship is over, retaliate for the Iraq tendering lockout by keeping the septics well away..
some folks just love sucking the oily cocks of the multinational Oil corporations don’t they ? what’s that Gadaffi ? you have some Oil ? sluuuuuuuurp slurp slurp
I have the solution…
One PM, one bullet?
Someone should walk around after with a pistol to make sure.
No, a fucking 12 bore.
There would be fuck all left.
one bullet one vote
The Governments lack of funding for the armed forces is a disgrace. Now there`s rumours of the Tories scrapping Trident. Meanwhile Obama scraps the nuclear shield …….
This is only the beginning of discontent within military families. The anger is justly widespread.
Hear hear.
Brown has utterly betrayed the armed forces. This has been evident for a long time ( http://cogitodexter.wordpress.com/2009/08/07/browns-treachery/ ).
He is a total disgrace.
Brown will go before the GE because of the mistakes he made in the economy and with the MOD as Chancellor and then PM.
He won’t have the guts to sack himself, he will just sneak out the back door of No10 on yet another lie.
Probably on the plea of ‘ill health’ in an attempt tp get the sympathy vote. A lying, contemptible little man – small in every way except for that humongous gut of his – fed courtesy of the taxpayer. Shows just how much troughing he does.
What about his humungous jaw? Good for jawjawjawjawing.
What about the humungous hole in the UK’s bank balance?
So long as the B’strd leaves now or before a GE ,I don’t give a toss what lies he tells us ,just so long as he goes.
Hopefully someone will have dug a tiger trap in the back lawn, Gottcha!
“John McAleese, a former SAS member who was involved in the dramatic raid that ended the 1980 siege on the Iranian Embassy”
Why take advice or listen to such a man, when you’re a son of the manse with many months of real-world private sector experience at Scottish TV?
And can get a degree writing about last century’s Socialism? And knows how to scam your fellow students with a brick & empty beer cans. Doesn’t that just demonstrate the class (none) & calibre of this pitiful excuse for a man?
I’d like to see John McAleese abseil down the front of No 10 and toss a live haggis through McSnot’s window.
Please don’t give Mr McAleese any ideas.. He might be reading this and, in his grief, take it upon himself to use his SAS training to carry out his own wet job against the Prime Minister. We should not be discussing in any way how an aggrieved ex-killing machine of the state should deal with the politicians who played fast and loose with the life of his son.
And the Open University too.
A man of courage if ever there was one.
No doubt we can expect a chapter on John McAleese and the Iranian embassy job in his next book? Brown would stoop that low.
I would really like to believe that drawing this to Gordon’s attention would make him realise the erroneous results of his actions.
But I have a horrible feeling that this was the intention all along: to destroy the armed forces while crying crocodile tears and counting the cash added to your own pocket.
The only way a coward can bring about the demise of those braver than he is.
We need more McAleeses, and fewer coward politicians.
You are right, sadly.
When I were a lad in the early 60′s, the Left had 3 conditions to be fulfilled before the Socialist Utopia could be made manifest;
1. Disarm the middle classes.
2. Nationalise the means of production.
3. Destroy the Armed Forces.
Look how close they have got.
Yes they have disarmed the forces,nationalised the middle classes,and destroyed the means of production, nearly there!
Nice one Davy!
Matthew Parris added a new dimension to Brown’s patholgical deceitfulness by suggesting in his Times column that Brown’s economic management (!) was tantamount to treason. I should say that this appalling abandonment of the military covenant just about confirms it. Me? If I was in the party that replaced the shower of shit Brown Cabal I’d go straight to having him arrested. I know it’s a bit bloodthirsty, and not very charitable, but I have this repeating dream of seing his head on a spike over the Tower of London.
I imagine there’s more than one reader of this blog who also shares that dream. I know I do.
I have been saying this for ages.
HAB Blog: Execute the Labour government
Is is treason – this current crop of Labour vermin aren’t the first, but they *are* actively assaulting this country, they are working against our interests. Even if you ignore the economic catastrophe, the wars are treasonous; they have put us in harms way, for no benefit to this country. They are causing hate against us, bullets against us, bombs against us; treason. String ‘em up.
Treason has all but been removed from the statute book. The last hanging offences were removed in 98 by Blair.
There is a statute of limitations on acts of treason… three years.
The last successful prosecution for treason was…. 1948, William Joyce, Lord Haw-Haw.
So… another door closes.
Defence is the first priority (and duty) of any government. Labour policies are dangerous and inept and now the Tories talk about cutting Trident back.
The future seems bleak to me.
F*ck me! That positive? You’ll learn.
Not the best idea if the Iranians are playing silly buggers with missile and nuclear technology. Perhaps Brown and the other hoons are hoping that the Israelis have the reach and the power to take out those facilities.
If there is a debate to be had over how best to maintain the nuclear deterrent, fine. Perhaps there’s a more cost effective way than using Trident. But to abandon an independent (-ish, not sure how much say the Yanks actually have) nuclear deterrent under current global political conditions would seem unwise, if not plain daft.
More than a lot.
Suprisingly little control over Trident actually, despite what propaganda you will hear from the CND types.
The warheads are 100% British. The missiles themselves come from a shared pool with the USN. Missiles go back to the pool every few years for servicing and are replaced with a serviced batch.
This is the main control the US have. They could elect to stop servicing our missiles, which would probably result in them becoming unserviceable within 5 years, assuming that we made no attempt to reverse engineer the tech and service them ourselves.
The usual rubbish the CND trot out is that the missiles require US ‘codes’ to fire. That is absolutely false. Given their general lack of understanding, the beardies might be referring to the fact Trident MIRVs have an optional GPS enhanced guidence system.
If the US had the ability to deny GPS to our missiles (apparently they have the ability to selectively deny GPS coverage in a area without interrupting their own use – so it might be possible) then the final accuracy would be reduced from <50m to around <250m. Not a huge impediment to a 500kT bomb.
The Russians couldn’t handle Afganhistan, Britain and Brown should learn from history, this is a war that can never be won.
Spot on.
And this is the 3rd time we’ve been in there. Nobody learns history anymore it’s not in the curriculum!
fourth time actually davy
The thing is I would have more respect for Brown if he just set out some kind of standard left wing policy regarding the armed forces ie: Britain should reduce its unfounded military influence in the world, we are no longer an Empire and cannot justify the expense on the military or funding foreign adventures blah blah blah – this would have involved withdrawing from Afghanistan and upsetting his new American crush of course.
Or alternatively an EU position same as the Jerries or the Frogs, we will make some gesture of providing an elite battalion or two to help the yanks but they will only fight in the daytime and if attacked etc etc
But instead we get this posturing bullshit, sending kids of 17 out to fight an offensive war, with shite equipment, and not enough infantry resources like helicopters, armoured transport, decent military hospitals, resulting in 5 or 6 deaths a week, for no other reason whatsoever than allowing Brown to posture on the international stage and please Obama (although with the Libyan bollocks he has increasingly pissed on his own chips there too) He has deliberately restricted funding to the military because he resents all aspects of the ‘establishment’ but now he is PM as with everything else, he does not even have the courage of his own convictions to justify what he has done, so who gets it in the neck? Tommy Atkins from the local council estate.
Respect for Brown?
I agree with your case but “respect” for Brown or any other of these bastards is above and beyond the call of duty mate
Apologies, I am the victim of the conversational niceties of the English language there, I have never respected Gordon Brown!
Never forget that not Blair nor Brown or any senior minister has ever been evident on the tarmac at RAF Lyneham representing the British Government when the bodies of our soldiers are returned despite Blair committing our country to a war on a lie and to curry favour with Bush. As far as Labour was concerned they would have wished that the repratiations were in the middle of the night, done with the minimum ceremony and quickly forgotten.Only because a few “old soldiers” in Wooton Bassett started to stand by the roadside in all weathers , stand to attention,fall silentand salute the cofffin(s) as they went by and which the town as a whole adopted and became the proper reception for our lads who have died for Blair’s Wars did the government feel a frisson of fear that the public were not enamoured of the politicians response to such an affair and Brown is dithering about whether to recommend to the Queen whether the prefix “Royal” be awarded to that town in case it shows him in a bad light!
Every repatriation SHOULD be attended by a Minister of Cabinet rank -and on occasion Brown should get off his arse,stop writing about courage of which he has not the slightest conception and respect people who have true courage by standing on the tarmac. At least if he can’t be bothered either to adequately fund our forces when he was Chancellor he can at least as Prime Minister have the shame to acknowledge his culpability but lets face it as far as Brown is concerned, as evidenced by the little ceremony at the TUC before his speech when he presented “honours” to TUC officials and called them “True Heroes” he cares nothing for the armed forces and never has done. This man is totally unfit to hold the office of road-sweeper let alone Prime Minister.The man totally disgusts me everytime he opens his mouth.The sooner he goes the better for the country and if he takes the rest of his weak,spinless and inept government with him the better
Very well said. The TUC “heroes” point is especially revolting.
Absolutely!
troops out now
no if’s, no buts, no maybe’s
out NOW
I agree, very well said.
What has anyone from the TUC done to be called a hero.
A hero in my book is someone who puts his life on the line for his friends or even a stranger. Something that our militiary do everyday in Afghanistan.
The post doesn’t deliver itself you know. Being a postman is a dangerous and difficult job. Not just any old moron can put a letter through your letterbox you know. All those yapping terriers and dog turds we have to avoid. And we even have to go out in all weathers.
Bloody well said.
Fucking right. Trouble is, the term “hero” has been redefined in the popular media to include wankers like David Beckham and similar sporting types. Any old tosser can be a hero in today’s Britain. Talk about trashing the word!
Absolutely brilliant comment. And let’s not forget that the TUC comrades have also voted in the boycott of Israel (in support of a sinister leftist pro Palestinian bunch of extremist Hunts who receive Fire Brigade Union money out of wages). Israeli troops are like our boys (I know I’ve trained with them) and the union bruvvers have voted to boycott them. These guys are like us – at the frontline fighting for OUR civilisations future and are being betrayed by the cowards in the Labour movement.
I can tell you, we are all fucking furious about the way we have all been left high and dry. I bet they will mysteriously lose our postal votes too.
How long with it take before some Hoon or Anonymous (Derek) or TAT poster makes some pro Hamas comment?
We are all with you SG.
Squaddie grunt. From your comments I now understand why our country is always at war.
The country is always at war because our countries enemies can always rely on scum like barefootcontessa to stay our hand from eliminating them, and thus ensuring more loss of British life.
They make me sick.
AC1, are you a nazi by any chance?
80. I will, and I’m not. Grunts are always at the front, the clever ones plus the politicians are always at the back. That’s fair is it?
No, I am not a Nazi (a sign you lost the argument by the way)
But I am not a socialist sympathiser like you are.
Luckily there weren’t enough people with your views to stop the elimination of National Socialism and then oppose International Socialism until it’s collapse.
Bareface C**ntessa – it’s smug and clever arsed selfish gits like you that our troops are dying for.
You are not funny and you are not clever.
SG isn’t the reason for us going to war. Politicians send our troops to war. Get it?
As someone who served in Iraq I I can tell you that for every headline death, there are around half a dozen serious maimed or injured soldiers – some one elses children, you hoon. Blinded, lost limbs, head or facial collateral damage, ripped opened intestines….get the picture. Their unselfish lives are damaged forever.
Now, rethink your stupid crass ideas you thoughtless chancer.
To Squaddie Grunt.Spot on comment about the Israelis.I would be proud to stand with them against the twin evils of Islam and Socialism.
Bloody right, Jim. You and Grunt can compete to see how many 12yr old Arab girls you can murder in cold blood.
Sorry, it’s Arabs in “palestine” who are crossing into Israel to murder a 4yr old child in cold blood.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samir_Huntar
Send a Pizza to the IDF, Killing terrorists so we don’t have to
Are you crazy? Afghanistan is not our war, neither is Israel/Palestine. By all means fight them in Bradford or Leicester if needs be, but the Middle East is not our concern.
I don’t know what would be worse, being killed as a 10 year old child or being groomed and molested as 10 year old child by muslim nutters who think that kind of thing is kosher and then having to live a shit life producing babies for the rest of my days.
FrankFisher,
It’s Arab Imperialism we oppose. Islam is an expansionist oppressor and must be fought.
Always remember – the Israelis have killed 5 times as many Palestinians as the Palestinians have killed Israelis, and they are building homes for religious nutters on land they have taken by invasion. My enemy’s enemy need not always be my friend, and questioning the tactics and behaviour of the Israeli state does not make anyone a Hamas supporter or anti-semite. it is either dishonest or delusional to say that it does.
If we have a problem with Islam (and I do – I think it is insane) we would do better to challenge it and stop it taking even more of a foothold here in the UK. Time for some serious integration or out!
Mongrel, first sane comment for a while. What the hell does Saturday night do to people? Seems to bring out the worst.
@ 311
The point of war is to eliminate your enemy. Just because Israel are better at this than the so called ‘palestinians’ is not a fault of the Israelis. The so called ‘occupied’ territories are actually Judea and Samaria, At what point did these areas cease to be Israeli? The borders of nations change, particularly during war-time. The Arabs started a war (twice), they lost, the Israelis liberated land that has always been theirs. We would do well to emulate the Israelis: Shoot first, questions later, if at all.
The bastard would rather be seen bathing in the reflected “glory” of Britain’s Got Talent winners than paying real respect to those who have given their lives in his and Blair’s wars. I find it absolutely disgusting that while our young men and women are fighting and dying for his regime he is strutting about on some stupid, fucking TV show.
These ego-trip shows should be banned while our people are fighting and dying and the idiots participating in them sent to entertain the troops instead.
I detest the bastards in Nu Lab. They are evil fucking swine.
Thanks for all the supportive comments.
Well said that man!
If a war is worth fighting, it’s worth funding.
brown can find £200bn for bank bailouts and £189bn per year for the ‘welfare state’, but is not willing to buy the equipment required to save the lives of british service personell. (the cost of which is a pittance in comparison.)
The futures bright
the futures not brown.
Its not bright either.
Seems the Sex Pistols were right back in ’77: “your future dream is a shopping scheme.”
The future’s orange.
Hain’s not the future.
If the bastards really supported our troops they would not be planning to shut down the BFPO’s, sign the petition here:- http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/SaveBFPO/
I challenge Gordon Brown to stand on the street, alone and without special branch heavies, in Wootton Bassett the next time the bodies of British servicemen are brought home.
Then, he’ll see the true level of resentment.
Yes but wait for it – because gordon will soon make a ruling that our fallen are to be flown into a base far away from Wootten Basset.
He ‘ll probably insist that they are flown into a base in Scotland somewhere. That way he’ll put a stop to these very public emotional homecomings which are causing him so much embarrassment.
It’s the injured living you should be worried about.
Yes Indeed!
Let’s support them , shall we contessa?
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/
He ‘ll probably insist that they are flown into a base in Scotland somewhere. That way he’ll put a stop to these very public emotional homecomings which are causing him so much embarrassment.”
Not so Nell! The Scots would show a damn sight more respect for them here, than that shower of cretins governing you lot down there appear to do, down there!
I accept your argument about the cretins that are governing us. But I think you must accept that the people of Wootten Bassett are to be commended in the respect they have given our troops.
The Queen wants Wootton Bassett to be given Royal status for their devotion and compassion. That award of that honour rests with gordon.
Guess what??? – he’s dithering over whether to award the status or not!!!!
It would be a funeral cortege that started in Wick.
I’ve been expecting him to do precisely that too, Nell. I suspect it’s only the fact that he’s mentally incapable that’s prevented him thus far.
Scotland is the last place he would want them flown into, they are used to burying their dead soldiers with honour, God knows they have enough practice.
They’ll have to be, because Lyneham is closing in two years, then Wootton Bassett will be left in peace again. Chances are, any repatriations would be into Brize Norton, or possibly Northolt.
Northolt is just a few stops along the Central Line from the BBC: too close for comfort.
It is always delightful to see Guido showing how fiercely British the Irish are (though no Brits are Irish, of course).
There is a tradition as old as the British Empire of politicians sending too few troops to do a job overseas; without adequate equipment and without working out what the job is. Brown is dithering in a traditional way this time. We have lost our tolerance for it. The anger that Ashdown, Guido and Clegg are showing over it is only the start of a fire in the Westminster village, and a march of voters’ feet.
Have you ever studied a history of the Irish who fought in WW1?
They were immensely heroic and gave their lives in great numbers.
In every war nell, from napoleonic, ww1 ww2 and all the little ones between and since
We micks like a good scrap, sad to see we sold out to the eu
So do, and have, the Scots.
Let’s not forget the Taffies, the Canucs and the Anzacs, m’lady.
Something must be said for heroism of the men and women of the Isle of Sheppey, too, battling their way behind slow moving caravans all summer..
TT the less said about the people from the Isle of Sheppey the better.
And they continued to give their lives as IRA “examples” after they returned to Ireland as well.
Tony Blair’s kids are Irish-ish. Him and slot-gob are probably pseudos too.
Dear Guido,
Would you be able to display the cover of the new fund-raising book that we published last Thursday for the Help for Heroes charity which is called The Hero Inside by Gill Shaw?
Can I email the image to you – we are planning to raise over £100k for the charity and it would be a great help for sales?
With many thanks,
Andrew Johnston
Managing Director
Quiller Publishing Ltd
Andrew – no website link for Help for Heroes?
http://www.helpforheroes.org.uk/?gclid=CLee-4-W_pwCFVtn4wod_UiNUg
Happy to oblige.
My cat’s kittens were all homed with the proviso that a donation be made to H4H… think about it — a little black cat doing more for her country than the government? Shame on them!
Thanks Susie – I’ve subscribed to their newsletter. We shall do what we can to help.
USA’s General McChrystal says we are failing in Afghanistan – he likens the war to a ‘bull charging a matador’. Anybody who has ever seen a bullfight in Spain knows that the bull always loses.
General Sir David Richard’s, Dannatt’s replacement, says we are a long way from defeating the Taliban. Italy and Japan have indicated that they are withdrawing support and personnel. Other nations will follow as the recession bites.
We have an MOD presided over by bob ‘ainbustinagut’ and 4 sidekicks (kevan plus 3 – well 2 now -one’s resigned.)
Job of the sidekicks? To sort out supply problem for our troops?- Nope. To get equipment that the troops need? – nope, To make sure the troops have the medical help that they need?- nope. The only job of Bob ‘aintbustinagut’ and the sidekicks is to run smear and spin campaigns against the Generals and their troops.
Our troops don’t have enough helicopters. Men have died out there for lack of body armour. The guns they use don’t work in Afghanistan’s harsh conditions. They don’t have enough medical support. They don’t have the vehicles they need to deal with IED’s. They don’t have the surveillence equipment they need to deal with IED’s. They don’t have the bomb disposal equipment they need to deal with IED’s and on and .
The Americans are better equipped with some of this stuff which is being produced by a British Manufacturer. But gordon won’t pay the British Manufacturer to provide it to our troops!
gordon should resign? No gordon, bob and the sidekicks should be stood against a wall at dawn and shot !!!!
Nah
Brown and Painsworth say we’re winning
And some generals think they will be able to deliver a victory as soon as possible
Watch this space…….
They are totally deluded of course, or playing subbuteo, or both….
why wait till dawn”do it now”
Brown and that other idiot Bob (hitler lookey-likey) have been advised not to attend the Cenotaph parade in Nov. Word is Borwn is planning to have the flu or visit a farm 2 days before.
I hope the fsrm has problem with e.coli then.
there will definitely be plenty of shit around!
He’ll attend.
The vast majority of those remembering comrades at the Cenotaph would not wish to embarrass Her Majesty by showing disrespect to the office of Prime Minister. The office should be respected; their feelings about the current holder of that office will probably not be very high, but being in general people of honour and dignity, most will keep their feelings to themselves on that occasion.
The Cenotaph gathering is total hypocrisy. Men meet every year to mourn war, then start another war the next.
Maybe that’s true.
But I have men and women from my family who served in WW2 and lost family in WW1 who value that ceremony as recognition of what they have been through.
I wouldn’t want to see it discontinued, although I have no doubt that gordon would like it discontinued as it only serves to remind him of his failures to protect and support our troops.
War is a failure, for sure. But it happens, and servicemen lose their lives in defence of the country. To remember their sacrifice is quite right – especially the huge sacrifices of WW1 and WW2.
barefootcontessa is a security parasite (i.e. a pacifist). i.e. someone who leaches off people better than they are for their own security. Then they have the nerve to insult their benefactor!
So all the above believe in Queen and country? not thinking beings? My family died as well you know.
Cenotaph is NOT about glorifying war. Its about honouring the victims of war. War is evil, we all know that. In this sad vale of tears to stop and remember is profoundly human and decent.
War accompanies us as a species sad to say. It has from day one. Part of the mess that life is. There is such a thing as a just war. More’s the pity. I’ll leave it at that.
At the Cenotaph
I saw the Prince of Darkness, with his Staff,
Standing bare-headed by the Cenotaph:
Unostentatious and respectful, there
He stood, and offered up the following prayer.
‘Make them forget, O Lord, what this Memorial
Means; their discredited ideas revive;
Breed new belief that War is purgatorial
Proof of the pride and power of being alive;
Men’s biologic urge to readjust
The Map of Europe, Lord of Hosts, increase;
Lift up their hearts in large destructive lust;
And crown their heads with blind vindictive Peace.’
The Prince of Darkness to the Cenotaph
Bowed. As he walked away I heard him laugh.
Siegfried Sassoon
Totally agree with you. We are there to remember and honour those men and women who have given their lives in service to their country and it would be abhorrent to make a political demonstration at such a moment of national remembrance. Just because Brown does not care doesn’t mean that the rest of us should dis-respect the occasion
I detest the man but as the saying goes -”You salute the rank NOT the man !” AND it is the office of Prime Minister that we accord respect to NOT the present incumbent who commands the respect of no one – he is a mere temporary holder – the office will continue
I was in Arromanches earlier this year just after the D Day Remembrance Ceremony and spoke to several veterans of that conflict, all in their 80′s and even 90′s !! As a man(and woman) they had nothing good to say about our present Prime Minister.As you will know Brown was given the “bird” by several of the old soldiers.The booing was picked up by the TV Cameras etc but several apparently also shouted “Piss Off back to the UK you’re NOT wanted here !” as he walked into the D Day Museum. As they were only a few yards away Brown would have heard(I sinecerly hope that he did!) but of course he did not react other than give one of his wierd cheesy smiles.
One thing that Brown has done is that he has united people in their utter contempt of him .Not forgetting his exclusion of the Queen from the D Day Ceremony in case he was upstaged and his on and off decision whether to go at all, not making his mind up until he was told that Pres. Obama would be attending – a photo-op that Brown would not miss and even then he fluffed his speech by calling Omaha Beach – Obama Beach.The man is an embarassment to the country as well as totally unable to command the necessary respect.He is without a doubt one of the worst if not THE worst PM this country has had in modern times and they’ve been some stinkers
Peace has to be fought for on a constant basis it’s not some flower that grows wildy as the misguided hippies would have you believe , it has to be maintaned with the blood of young men sadly.
Swine flu, presumably?
I read somewhere the other day that our troops are having to survive on one meal a day out in Afghanistan, because of a shortage of food. Is this true? Because if it is, it’s appalling. I’m ashamed to say that I’m British. For God’s sake, just bring them home.
I wish Jamie O would go out there to cook them a meal… and Dame Vera provide the cabaret in the absence of younger singers such as Lily (“I’ll always vote Labour”) Allen offering their services. I’m sure they’d be up for it.
Just to shame the useless fat c*nt in No.10.
I suspect the food is there but getting it up front is the problem
If only they could fly it there in helicopters
Brown is a hoon. I never thought I would ever say this, but it is time for a military coup in tis country!
Bugrit. THIS
Surely you meant “his”?
I reckon a nice little war in the South Atlantic, preferably in a place few have heard of, might just win an election for Gordo. It hasn’t been done before has it?
Have you heard a whisper about another Argie invasion?
Ha! A gordon and bob labour troll who has no care or respect for what our armed forces do or what sacrifices they make.
As for gordon – nothing will win an election for him – He is as they say a deeply unpleasant personality with a genetic compulsion to lie.
A pair of trolls without a shadow of doubt.
Nasty, snide little trolls at that.
Guido, I am sure you will imminently turning your attention to the Lib Dem conference which started today. I must be fucking board shitless, because I’ve read their conference agenda and came across this corker, which I had to read over and over again to be sure I had it right:
“All innocent people, except those acquitted of a serious violent or sexual offence, to be removed from the DNA database immediately.”
Someone needs to tell these tossers that anyone acquitted of any offence is entitled to be treated as entirely innocent and not remain smeared by the unproven allegation – for reasons that should be self-evident to anyone other than a Lib/dem or a supporter of the incumbent party.
Yes you’re right.
To both above comments.
Bored
Maybe time for a quick Brazilian, squire.
K-KSKRAAA-AAARWKK! (pingpingping) WAKEYWAKEY! (rattle) EWYEWLOOKINAHT!!!
‘ello. Private Bob here, the latest in a long line of outstanding Labour Offense Secretaries.
As you all know, the government is being forced to decrease the rate of growth of public expenditure, make savings, and cut unnecessary programmes. This has been necessitated by the economic problems caused by our American allies.
Our Great Leader, Gordon Brown had the prescience and foresight to cut military expenditure in advance of the need to reduce it by not funding our wars and military to the amount required at the time.
While some may say we are in the situation of not having the equipment we need because we can’t afford it now, even if we could afford it back then, our military should be pleased that we will not be making any cuts in military expenditure now, because we have made them already.
I think you will agree that these are further signs of the genius of our Great Leader.
Onward to VA Day with Labour!
Cut the funding in advance!
Comrade McDoom – what a genius.
All hail the offensive minister.
Its actually worse than it appears. And the press should highlight this…
Brown has limited the HOURS PER MONTH the helicopters can fly. So even if there’s a machine and crew ready to go, if the hours for the month have been reached then it stays on the ground. Even if there is a desperate need for air support and people are dying – Brown thinks he knows best and directs the wat from Number 10.
Such courage.
If this is true then it is fucking treason, the troops should tell brown to o fuck himself and fly as much as they need to.
Fraid it is. Thats why Brown was able to announce a 30% [?] ‘increase in helicopter availability’ a few weeks ago. No extra machines or crew, he just increased the hours he allowed them to fly. There’s still a limit tho, and it MUST NOT be exceeded.
It’s a Brit war. The SAS, Fooks and all the gobshite plastic paddies can feck off back to Britland. We’ve enough trouble with Lisbon and Lebanon.
NATO war, sorry
Dame Vera Lynn has questioned why present day entertainers are doing nothing for our troops. She and a host of others , during WW2 travelled to all the hot spots providing entertainment for hard pressed troops.
We have a vast range of celebs, actors, singers all earning good money – yet none of them are doing anything to help our troops in Afghanistan, they certainly aren’t going anywhere near Afghanistan or suporting any fundraising ventures such as Help for Heroes.
Why is that?
Maybe none of them currently have a new book/film/album to promote.
Dame Vera Lynn also thinks we shouldn’t be in Afghanistan
“I don’t know what Afghanistan’s all about, I don’t know what we are doing there. At one time, our soldiers would fight for the country they came from to stop the enemy invading, but now they are involved in other countries’ problems.”
She still has a far sharper mind than the warmongers
Troops out now.
No if’s, no buts, no maybes. Out NOW
Would you care to apply such criteria to Thatcher’s war in the South Atlantic?
No
We have been in Afghanistan for eight years. EIGHT YEARS. And they are telling us we are going to be there for another THIRTY!
Thatcher’s War was short hard and brutal because she put EVERY resource into it that she could. It lasted weeks. Not Years. There wasn’t time to put entertainers into the South Atlatic because the troops were coming home before you could have got any entertainers out there to them.
Margaret Thatcher is a lying colonialist tory bastard. She lied during the war v The Falklands, and many soldiers lives were lost because of her actions. The gorgon and mt are as bad as each other. War mongers. Let’s be balanced and not partial about this.
Contessa – Mrs Thatcher or gordon, good wars or bad wars, it’s irrelevant. Although I accept that Iraq and Afghanistan have been Labour opportunity bad wars which should never have happened.
What matters at the moment is that the public should fight to make sure our troops are cared for, properly provisioned and supported.
You can fight all you like to stop war per se – It’s a noble aim,but I don’t believe it will ever happen whilst we have corrupt politicians like gordon, although I wish it were possible.
For those of us who have lost family members in many wars, we have come to learn that our first line of duty is to fight for our men to be properly kitted, supported and provisioned.
At the moment they aren’t , and until they are I can’t find the breath to argue for the end to all wars. I’ll leave that lofty aim to those who have never been touched by death.
barefootcontessa is a complete idiot.
It’s a pity soldiers die and pacifist scum like you live.
Volunteer to clear a minefield somewhere, I’ll lend you a pogo stick.
so you were fully behind the Iraq catastrophe were you AntiCitizen ?
explains much
Iraq isn’t a catastrophe.
I personally think that setting Iraq up as a democracy was a master-stroke of politico-military judo.
It allowed the wests military to fight and destroy al-queda and demonstrate Al-Qs fanantisicm close up to muslims who rejected Al-Q throughout Iraq.
It also sucked in every wannabe jihadi from attacking the west.
Sun-Tsu would be proud. Whoever invaded Iraq certainly knew their Lao-Tsu and their Sun-Tsu.
“Iraq isn’t a catastrophe.” thank you for that gem
Bliar/Dubya are clearly capable of a “master-stroke of politico-military judo.”
It was a catastrophe.
militarily politically and regionally.
Now Iran has a client state in Iraq extremely close to both Saudi Arabia and Israel.
It is ruled by warlords and militias who are never more than a bad day away from sectarian bloodshed on a mass scale.
It has sharia law widespread and womens rights are almost as bad as Afghanistan and Saidi Arabia’s farcical floorshow.
Kurdistan is still threatening to bring Turkey into a regional powderkeg with the PKK still intent on terrorism and the Kurd politicians in the green zone intent on holding onto the Northern Oilfields at any cost.
It and Afghanistan are the two biggest terrorist training camps in the world.
It diverted almost all military resources from Afghanistan before the job was finished or B-Ladn caught.
We now see the result of that shortsighted stupidity in Afghanistan.
It rocketed fanatical extremism worldwide while B-Ladn sits chuckling in the northwest frontier of P/stan. Al-Q has not been destroyed but turned into a worldwide “brand” by the Iraq idiocy.
It has cost the taxpayers of the UK and US hundreds of Billions.
And it has cost thousands of troops lives and hundreds of thousands of civilian lives.
But at least one person thinks it was great
@103
No. Thatcher sent a force to rescue British territory .
The job was done quickly There was insufficient time in which to organise a concert party.
You should be proud or rejoice as the lady said at the time .
I would wager that you teach history to present day kids –God help them .
Rejoice? Thatcher scrapped half the capital ships we formerly had at our disposal had as soon as she got into power. We had to suffer the humilation of having to convert merchant ships into troop carriers to sort out a tiny conflict just to boot out a few thousand raw conscripts who promptly shat themselves at the sight of proper soldiers. It was a fucking disgrace. Under-resourcing even in those days.
….and Labour decommissioned the other half of our warships in the early part of this decade, at huge cost.
They are all as guilty as each other.
Yep, shit on the troops. It’s the way governments of either stripe repay loyalty. With their snouts permanently stuck in the trough looking after number one, they have NO concept of service and sacrifice. Fucking scum.
“Thatcher scrapped half the capital ships we formerly had at our disposal had as soon as she got into power. We had to suffer the humilation of having to convert merchant ships into troop carriers”
Capital ships? The last capital ship was HMS Vanguard which was scrapped in 1954. Or do you mean aircraft carriers like for example HMS Eagle. She was scrapped in 1978, remind us all who was the government of the day. Labour cut defence spending in the 1970′s and did away with conventional fixed wing arircraft carriers replacing them with glorified cruisers which could only carry Harriers and helicopters. Thus making the operation to retake the Falklands far more hazardous than would have been the case with proper aircraft carriers.
As for converting merchant ships into troop carriers. Are you brain dead? What do you think Britain used for troop transport in WW2? What do you think the Queen Mary did during that conflict. If you are going to have a rant at least get your facts right.
Call me Infidel:
“As for converting merchant ships into troop carriers. Are you brain dead? What do you think Britain used for troop transport in WW2? What do you think the Queen Mary did during that conflict. If you are going to have a rant at least get your facts right.”
The Falklands was a “conflict” – a minor skirmish which should have been handled easily without recourse to merchant ships. WW2 was a fucking WORLD WAR. The scale of one to the other doesn’t bear comparison.
I think you’ll find that was the Argies’ war, not the Brits’ war.
It was about OIL – that war. The Belgrano was steaming away from us when she gave the order to sink it, and that is what our country did. The shame of it!
Gotcha!
Maggie was simply the greatest leader this country has ever had. The present bunch of spineless sheisters aren’t fit to lick her boots
I’m proud the Belgrano was sunk, that’s leadership.
The Captain of the Belgrano, said he would’ve done the same had the roles been reversed.
The Argentinians lost so many men because they were frankly shit at damage control.
As for Oil, you are just a pacifist loon who cannot see that people have more than just the right to defend themselves, they have an obligation!
Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.
Evil must be laughing at useful idiot Barefootedcontessa as she wants to prevent good men from opposing evil.
Don’t annoy me, I’m watching Dad’s Army, and unlike you, it’s funny. ATTT.
barefootcontessa ! Prat! the Belgrano was a prize target which ever bloody way it was going and it’s sinking stopped any Argentine naval sorties against our ships ! any commander would have done the same ! so any shame you seem to feel is your problem not ours or the men involved .
Sorry this should be below barearsedconfessor but there is no ‘reply to tw*t ‘ button!
“The Belgrano was steaming away from us when she gave the order to sink it”
Safest way.
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So ,the Belgrano was running away . So what?
Adolf Hitler was a non combatant in his bunker in 1945 . Should the beastly Russians have stopped shelling him and thereby prevented his suicide ?
War is war .
Are you a libdem?
I believe that we shot down a few of their planes after they had dropped their bombs too, by which them they were harmless. I think we need to show more compassion on all occasions.
Has anyone ever heard an intelligent reason why the Belgrano should not have been sunk?
Where you facking born yesterday Croesus?? Or do you not do joined up thinking on purpose just to piss everyone off.
”I believe that we shot down a few of their planes after they had dropped their bombs too, by which them they were harmless.”
Bombing planes are hardly ‘harmless’ just cause they’ve dropped there payload are they, where do you think they where flying back to you muppet;
And the answer is;
To go pick up more bombs to go destroy more things. Hardly fucking harmless are they once a bomb lands on you.
”harmless” streuth all mighty i’ve seen it all now.
Next you’ll be telling us not to shoot or imprison a sucide bomber because his jacket malfunctioned which makes him ”harmless” as no explosion occured this time.
The only rule in war is that there are no rules
Croesus – after the Belgrano was sunk, the rest of the Argentine navy stayed in port for the rest of the war, at a time when we had all our asses on ships. I think sinking the Belgrano was a major step in winning the war.
You dopey bint Matron, Croesus is being sarcastic!
Yes I’ve been wondering the same for some time… maybe a campaign to boycott their fucking CDs and ask them that question on their Facebook blogs would be in order.
Some of them, such as Billy Bragg and James Blunt used to be military themselves… one’s too busy being a working class hero and the other too busy dating models about 2 foot taller than him. As for the girls, I don’t think it fair to inflict the likes of Lily Allen or Amy Winehouse on the guys — they’ve seen enough horror courtesy of the Taliban.
Unfortunately Lily can’t make it, she’s designing a new collection of swimwear.
Well I dare say Winehouse will gladly go – in Afghanistan she’ll be guaranteed to score tons of smack.
Burkini; I hope.
I kid you not….available in Dubai
The Bhurkini was designed, tested and manufactured in Aussie. To those of you shitting all over unpatriotic entertainers. Are you certain that the Army have asked for concert parties when they cannot control the ground they occupy?
The Americans get it right, all there celebs can’t sign up fast enough to go over and entertain the troops.
fuck off to yankland and take de plastic paddy wit ya. oh, not to be rude to de special people, happy new year. now fuck off.
Actually, I believe Ray Winstone has been out to Afghanistan to offer his support. Good bloke.
Yeah, but he doesn’t really have the legs to be the next ‘forces’ sweetheart.’
Ray Winstone is a great guy, whatever he does.
Are you kidding? He’s got a lovely pair. Of legs.
Recession. They need all the dosh they can get.
I think I’m right in saying that the Top Gear three – so despised by Guardianistas – have been out to Afghanistan a couple of times. Along with some dolly birds I believe. Kudos to the dolly birds too.
Say what you want about Murdoch but least he bankrolls the page 3 girls and the ozzy equivalent to go see there troops.
Think he gives them ”the sun” for free as well but i’m not sure.
Blimey! A copy of “The Sun” for free. That’s really worth having, isn’t it.
Free – but still not worth it.
Useful extra bog paper, though!
‘Cos they are all fucking lefties.
One of our entertainers went over to “entertain” the troops. There was subsequently a defense dept memo leaked to the effect that she fucked all the Aussie SAS troops. Thats what I call raising morale.
Perhaps we should send Ant and Dec, Amy Winehouse, Lily Allen, and all the trailer trash from reality and talent shows out there.
And leave them there.
Pray do tell.Was it anyone who is known to us Brits?
ITV have reported this story several times now, but the BBC haven’t I wonder why?
Shameful
No Labour troll. Please go away and do that to yourself you disgusting little person.
“Men are Moved by two levers only: fear and self interest”
Napoleon Bonaparte (1769-1821).
Browns self interest over soldiers lives the man is a coward.
Gordon Brown isn’t a man either the best bit of him slid down his mothers leg during childbirth.
When he was born the midwife didn’t know which end to slap
My contact inside Numero Dix reckons there really could be something to the rumour on another Guido page that our chin-dropping turd of a “Prime Minister” has, in the past, bowled the occasional ball from the pavilion end. Look at his late, politically expedient marriage, to a decent lady, by all accounts. How many straight blokes wait that long? More to the point, why did the good lady go for it, and is she regretting it now?
“bowled the occasional ball from the pavilion end.”
What a wonderfully typical English metaphor!
Gordon Brown has always had a plan to save the taxpayers money on defence spending.
He will soon announce vast cuts in sending our brave troops overseas to fight.
He has kindly allowed the worlds scum, underworld and terrorists into the UK so we can fight them on home ground
SOCIALIST B@5T@RD
Why doesn’t a current or former squaddie ”Lee Harvey Oswald” Brown or Blair and then claim PTSD as a defense.
It would be watertight and the nation would back them.
Yeah. Bit like getting Stevie G convicted of affray before a Liverpool jury.
Queen. She’s bound to have loads of guns and she gets access.
Wouldn’t it be great if Brown just keeled over and died from ingesting his own shit?
I think that would be too fast for me – I would like something more slower and painful.
How about a red hot poker up his ar*e?
They used to use this torture centuries ago. Seems like a good one to me.
It was good enough for Richard II, it’s good enough for Gordon.
Yep lock him in a room with no windows and play his poll ratings at him full blast cut with pictures of the saint tony/Blears/smith !you know like in ‘The Ipcress File’ !.
No padded cell, no straight jacket.
Just let him go completely bonkers, in a room, on his own.
What’s new?
233: I thought he already had!
Niiiice.
Duty of Care.
They must be able to prosecute………unless someone out there knows different…….!
As with all other laws introduced by Labour – the law of Duty of Care only applies to you and I. All members of the government, the PM, mp’s, ministers, Lords, aides are exempt from British Laws as Baroness Scotland is currently attempting to prove.
Nell, there’s no such thing as “British laws.” There’s the law of England and Wales and the law of Scotland. Northern Ireland has – or had – some special provisions relating to firearms. Then there’s EU law which regrettably trumps all (since 1972.) But there’s no British law, I’m afraid.
“WAR IS A RACKET” Gen Smedley Butler.
Not only is it a racket, but the new Head of the Army: “Chief of the General Staff” (US sounding title methinks) made his first major speech from Chatham House this week, home of the RIIA, (Royal Institute for International Affairs), sister organisation of the CFR, (Council on Foreign Relations) which, if you know your conspiracies, are both near the top of the control grid for world government…
http://www.chathamhouse.org.uk/events/view/-/id/1253/
The agenda is no longer secret – some of us just choose not to ‘see’ it.
No more dying for rich people’s lying.
No, CGS is definitely British, who copied the Germans in having a General Staff after the Crimea shambles, which I think is the campaign Gordon is copying. In those days, the acronym was CGIS, cos we had an empire.
Not forgetting Common Purpose, of course: http://www.cpexposed.com/about_common_purpose/
You know what?
the most important thing troubling Brits this week
Is not the economic crisis
Is not Gordon Brown and his fucking government
Is not the plea for children to stay away from animals
Is not the call for more police in the North of Ireland
Is not the problems for the Attorney General
No
it’s the fact the X-Factor and Come Dancing are on the tv at the same time but different channels!!
The British have a long way to go to even begin to think about overthrowing this bloody governemt.
It really beggars belief!
How low an IQ do you have to have, if that’s the most important thing to Brits this week?
Bruce Forsyth should have been pensioned off years ago.
Er, I think the OP was being ironic, SO.
Brucie’s great, a true professional , and at least he’s taken a pay cut (or so he says).
A great professional? He blows his own trumpet at every available opportunity.
His jokes are stale, and he’s well past it. Get rid.
Just looked it up. Here goes…..
The Ministry of Defence faced renewed criticism yesterday with accusations that it was failing in its duty of care towards soldiers injured during active service.
The MoD, concerned at the prospect of a big rise in the level of payouts, went to the High Court to try to overturn the ruling and suspended disbursements for three months for all but the worst injuries.
We will see a lot more of this because it is all getting much more litigious. The real issue is that the MoD have a duty of care, an obligation to the Armed Forces and they need to work out how they meet that.
MOD? Shysters – the lot of ‘em.
I hope the tories abolidh the MOD and put something more streamlined, more caring, more efficient in it’s place.
…don’t hold your breath, Nell. I’m not.
Dear Nell see my remarks about Crimea, above.
GOM whatever gordon’s doing aint working.
We need a new government, fresh ideas.
But mostly we need a government who will say that they are willing to commit quality people, not ‘bob aintbustinagut rubbish type people’ to turning the MoD into a decent department that cares for the troops.
Tories will continue the war when they hold power.
Whoever is in power – we must continue to lobby for more equipment, reformed MoD , better medical services , better rehabilitation packages and on and on.
If we let up the government , whatever it is, will think the public don’t care.
This government, the next government, need to know that we, the public, will lobby and be an embarrassment if need be, in support of our troops.
Nell.
Even if we did lobby, who would listen?
This government hasn’t listened to us for 12 years. What makes you think they would listen to us now?
These soldiers are being WOUNDED in war. Anyone can be injured opening a tin of pilchards.
the Pm is a fucking disgrace !
I think it is completely shaming for we British to have people like gordon, edb , jackstrw, postman pat, militwit , aintbustinagut ,representing us to the world, when these people are clearly not even competent to be collectors of night soil. China and the rest of the world are laughing at us.
We are (again) the poor man of Europe.
The sooner we get rid of this ridiculously poor excuse for a government, the better.
A man was coming home from work one day. He noticed that there was a lot more traffic than normal. As he got further up the road all of the traffic had come to a halt.
He saw a policeman coming towards his car, so he asked him what was wrong. The cop said, “We are in a crisis situation. Gordon Brown is in the road very upset. He does not have the £10 billion needed to fill his black hole, and everyone hates him. He is threatening to douse himself in petrol and start a fire.”
The man asked the police officer exactly what he was doing there.
The bobby said, ” I feel sorry for the Chancellor so I am going car to car asking for donations.”
The man asked, “How much do you have so far?”
The bobby replied, “Well as of right now only 99 litres, but many people are still siphoning as we speak!”
If only.
Lol like it !.
Another Hero Killed By A Bankrupt Government
Bankrupt Of Money
Bankrupt Of Ideas
Bankrupt Of Morals
Bankrupt Of Courage
GO NOW AND HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME !
Scum!!!!!!
Just goes to show when you think the bottom of the barrel has been reached by Labour they always find a way to surprise you.
Just goes to show when you think the bottom of the barrel has been reached by Labour…..it’s gone way past that.
Not often talked about but equally as disgusting is the shit that has been served to injured soldiers at Selly Oak after returning injured from Afghanistan.
A number are known to have been threatened by Muslims, who somehow have been allowed to walk in unchallenged. One soldier was forced to spend a night lying in his own excrement after staff allowed his colostomy bag to overflow. Another endured 14 hours of inadequate pain relief after being told that the relevant staff were not on duty. On another occasion, a soldiers medical air mattress was left to deflate, leaving in him in pain overnight even though his alarm was going off.
There are significant numbers, who upon discharge suffer unemployment, psychological problems and worse.
I raised this issue with my MP / trougher extrordinaire Anne Moffatt about six months ago. I still have a copy of the response which is disappointingly bland and non-commital ‘I know, isn’t it terrible, I have a relative in the army’.
The situation is a bloody disgrace. These courageous individuals deserve top-notch medical treatment, preferably in pleasant surroundings, well away from the great unwashed.
As I’ve said – Duty of Care.
Government must be held accountable.
Wait till the supressed story about muslims spitting on a squaddie in the street finally gets out.
You have only to post a link, mate…..
I think the poor treatment of injured soldiers coming back from Afghanistan is a disgrace. Many of the young men who join up have no idea what they are letting themselves in for. Afghanistan is not a ‘just’ war, and the soldiers probably know it. If their lives are not ruined physically they are ruined mentally. Politicians are responsible for starting wars but won’t face up to the consequences.
Did you not see the same planes flying into the Twin Towers which murdered 300 innocent people?
The war in Afghanistan to remove the Taliban from having a secure base to launch terrorist operations is about the most just war you can possibly have.
The problem is that the west wants to go beyond that and try and build a nation where there is not a people.
Just Kill the Talibs in Afghanistan/Pakland whichever way is most effective. Our main problem is the lack of will to extend the fighting into the Taliban safe havens in Pakland.
Anti Citizen One is actually Bob Ainsworth
moronic childlike government propaganda didn’t work for Iraq and it won’t work for Afghanistan
it takes a special kind of idiot to believe the lies and spin of Brown and Bob
cause the Taliban are the same as Al-Qaeda innit ?
and the 15 Saudi’s who actually flew the plane into the Twin Towers ?
good thing Saudi Arabia is such a progressive westernised democracy or we’d have invaded there too
BAOP,
The Taliban refused to stop protecting Osama Bin Laden.
Bin Laden claimned credit for the Terrorist atrocity attack on the twin towers.
It’s you who is delusional.
thanks for that government spin Bob
Bin Laden was reponsible but he is in P-stan and Al-Qaeda isn’t in Afghanistan any more but operating in Somalia, Indonesia, North Africa etc
this might be a touch hard for you to understand but terrorists can and do move about
the point about Suadi Arabia is that there are some who also share the blame but escaped any censure whatsoever because this was never about justice for the victims of the Twin Towers but an excuse for a war or two
AHH Ms Moffet We know her well in sussex. Waste of space. Her old man/partner, is known as Mr sick note at his work..(P.S.he works for his old lady) I hope he reads this!!!
Both are free loaders, bullshiters, typical champagne socialists. They will get the boot at the next GE. Still they will get a great pension. Boy they piss everybody off in the Crawley area!!!
To Odds Bodkins. You are spot on mate. The Boys need top class treatment and the fact that they are not getting it is a bloody disgrace.This needs to be out in the public domain ASAP. Support our troops!!!!
Sue as a group action for damages due to lack of adequate equipment etc etc – a good brief should think of something suitable. Or even use Human Rights legislation – the right to live. It’s the only thing that beaurotwat understands.
I was talking to a friend who had worked at Marshall Aerospace (Cambridge) during the Falkands conflict getting a hanger ready so Hercules transport’s could be converted for refueling.
He told me Margret Thatcher would phone up the Chairman every day to check on progress, and make sure there were no hold ups.
I wonder how many phone calls Brown has made to hurry up the Helicopters.
….er, none?
We can’t afford them – and Broon knows it, but that’s no excuse for failing our servicemen/women. Someone, somewhere, will start legal proceedings.
Let’s hope it’s soon.
NONE!! He’s broken all his nokias!!!!
What I find disgraceful is that their is no ministerial presence at Brize Norton; this shower have no respect for the fighting forces, alive or dead. Personally, I wish the SAS would, en masse, kidnap the ruddy Cabinet and McTwat, and dump them in the wilds of Helmund behind Taliban lines. If nothing else, they will make a refreshing change for the turbaned ones from goat stew, goat lovers…. etc etc.
He may have broken all his Nokia’s. But he didn’t have to make any calls first.
That’s the difference between leadership… and a complete twat
The lame on Brown and his cabinet of traitors is long overdue. Perhaps now the British Army will realise who their REAL enemies are.
Is the REAL ENEMY…
(1) Insurgents in Helmand province defending themselves against what they see as Western imperialism?
No.
(2) A corrupt and imperialist government/opposition that is using the British Army for political adventures and UNDERFUNDING THEM AND JEOPARDISING THEIR LIVES in the process?
YES.
The British Government’s War on the British Army: http://eotp.wordpress.com/category/the-governments-war-on-the-british-army/
It’s (3)
An Arab imperialist force called Wahabism funded from Saudi, imposing an alien and ultra strict form of islam on Afghanistans tribal areas.
Gordon is a man desperately in need of friends, and it falls to the Tuscan to trawl Facebook in the search for appropriate people. No.1 on the list (a genuine person, honest!):
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=580483980
Tragic. this LeladeCock has more friends than Gordon..
PLease check this link out -
Troops now made to walk in front of vehicles FFS (3:38 in) ‘Twas so in Iraq but that was not as dangerous as Helmand.
bloody hell, 6:43 is a buttock clencher!
we wil never win with gordon in control period.god bless the poorman that was lost and his dignified parents and family.salt of the earth they deserve better.
Gordon Brown…
I know you read this blog.
I don’t know how much longer I can take of you, you piece of shit, scum of the earth fucking waste of space of an excuse of a man. You are shitting all over everything that is fine and good about Britain for your own twisted, mentally unstable vindictive, petty ego.
You are making sure that the next 50 years will be Hell because you are to pig ignorant to do the right thing.
Too many fine people whose lives will never be the same because of you.
For fucks sake, what will it take to end this ?
Agreed. Leave, Gordon. Now!
Seconded!
anon – that’s you isn’t it, Sarah?
Thirded.
Piss off back to your manse in your long black coat with your plastic bag of bricks and empty beer cans you twisted, evil, deeply weird student communist scum.
It was a sad day for England when you and that asshole Blair decided to go into politics.
Commie swine.
as many as it takes to get rid of him!
Not just about Broon the Doom….What about the rest of the incompetent fuckwits, for example Harwomen and worse to come Hillery Benn. These are the Labour’s future. God, whoever you conceive him/her to be, Save us from these wealthy upper class socialists!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That rugby accident – shame it was not with the England front row……
I think this could be our Vietnam. I so hope I’m wrong.
What’s so really worrying is gordon’s complete disinterest and total indifference to making sure that our lads have all the equipment that they need.
At the moment gordon’s attention is rivetted on London Fashion Week apparently. I think that says it all.
Any port in a storm.
I hope gordon, to the end of his days, never finds a port in the storm.
I hope he will remain forever plagued by his failure to provide everything possible for our lads and lasses in this failing war.
I hope that he and aintbustinagut remain forever unable to close their eyes. I hope if they do close their eyes they’ll see the death, the torment and the disablity that they have inflicted upon our troops by their indecision, their indifference and their failure to provide proper equipment.
He’ll certainly need bodyguards for the rest of his life, as will Blair. But as neither of these bastards has anything resembling a conscience, it is unlikely that they will be haunted by their failures.
Conscience? That went the same way as his moral compass.
The Vietnam War was not lost in the killing fields of DaNang or the Delta or even on the streets of Saigon but on the campuses of the American Pacific Coast ;in the small towns of the mid-west;in the metropolis’ of the east coast and in the Tv studios and in the media of America. A population lost its faith in it’s leader and saw its young men and woman squandered in an unwinnable war far away for very little purpose.
A politician that takes his/her country to war on a lie and without the support of his electorate may as well not bother at all – he’s already lost
Brown could come to the House of Commons and tell the British people that we are within 45 minutes of destruction unless we go to war and the tragedy is he would NOT be believed and for a British Prime Minister to be so distrusted by his own electorate simply cannot continue in office and so it is with Brown.He has brought the office of Prime Minister so low in the esteem of the country and it has to be said the World where he and we are a laughing stock.
Cameron is not perfect but he is preferable to Brown.Labour have one remaining chance – ditch Brown and ditch him now or face electral catastrophe whenever the General Election is called. Brown has lost the trust of the British People
Actually the Tet Offensive was lost for the Viet Cong, however when the VC saw the news coverage they couldn’t believe it, it was saying they’d won!
That gave them the strength to keep fighting.
The rest 2+Million dead thanks to the MSM is history.
Don’t believe the MSM.
ah, the media are to blame for America losing the war, eh, anticitizen.
you’ve got a nerve using that old chestnut you fucking dodgy c’unt.
America WAS DEFEATED.
and they will get DEFEATED in Afghanistan if they continue to OCCUPY a country that does not belong to the United States of America.
imagine this: if foreign troops invaded America and sought to occupy the Unites States what would every decent American citizen do in response?
the motherfuckers would take up arms and form a resistance and wreak absolute fucking havoc and they would be legally entitled to do so under international law.
these are the facts of the matter.
FUCK THIS SHIT – TROOPS OUT NOW!
it all the New World Order innit ? You won’t hear the MSM reporting on that.
where’s my lizard repelling tin-foil hat ?
http://www.conservapedia.com/Tet_Offensive
The operation was a military failure for North. The Vietcong lost half their army and had to pull out of the battle, leaving only the North Vietnamese army. Yet, it was a public relations victory. Despite the North’s enormous, overwhelming losses, the result was that the American public became convinced that the North was unbeatable.
# In January 1968, … Communist forces during the Tet holiday launched a major attack on South Vietnamese cities. According to virtually every competent observer, these forces met a sharp defeat, but American press accounts described Tet instead as a major communist victory. Washington Post reporter Peter Braestrup later published a book in which he explained the failure of the press to report the Tet offensive accurately. His summary: “Rarely has contemporary crisis-journalism turned out, in retrospect, to have veered so widely from reality.”
# Even as the facts became clearer, the press did not correct its false report that the North Vietnamese had won. When NBC News producer Robert Northshield was asked at the end of 1968 whether the network should put on a news show indicating that American and South Vietnamese troops had won, he rejected the idea, because Tet was already “established in the public’s mind as a defeat, and therefore it was an American defeat.”
conservapedia LOL!
Creation Scientists Tend to Win the Creation-Evolution Debates
Dr. Duane GishFor additional information please see the article: Atheism and Debate
Creation scientists tend to win the Creation-Evolution debates and many have been held since the 1970′s particularly in the United States. Robert Sloan, Director of Paleontology at the University of Minnesota, reluctantly admitted to a Wall Street Journal reporter that the “creationists tend to win” the public debates which focused on the creation vs. evolution controversy
Mr. Corliss has cataloged scores of anomalies which challenge the old earth geology paradigm.[173][174] Young earth creationist hold the earth and universe is approximately 6,000 years old.[170] Young earth creationist scientists state the following is true: there are multiple lines of evidence pointing to a young earth and universe; the old earth and universe paradigm has numerous anomalies and uses invalid dating methods, and there are multiple citations in the secular science literature that corroborate the implausibility of the old earth and universe paradigm (for details see: Young Earth Creationism).
from conservapeado’s very funny “study” of evolution
http://www.conservapedia.com/Evolution
hmm… very interesting piece of propaganda anti social citizen but it doesn’t quite explain why american forces were frantically boarding helicopters to get the fuck out of there.
I don’t understand your premise: you say the media are to blame for america’s DEFEAT in vietnam; are you telling us that the american soldiers were desperately jumping on the helicopters to high tail it out of town because the photographers told them it would make a good shot? no.
were the photographers telling the generals what to do? no.
so how exactly could the media lose america the war when they were not armed or involved in the military chain of command? ofcourse they couldn’t and you are just talking a load of revisionist bullshit.
here on order order you are just the village idiot anticitizen.
why don’t you just fuck off elsewhere you warmongering c’unt?
c’unts like you are not welcome here anticitizen one.
If Gordon does read this blog, I hope he feels more insecure now than he ever has in his life. He will know that people hate him more than any other PM this country has ever had.
This is absolutely true, Gordon. Take note and go and have a breakdown somewhere. There’s a good chap.
The gorgon is almost certainly a sociopath, and as such won’t care a jot what any of us think of him!
If we all say it for long enough he’ll believe us.
Why not? He’s been doing the same to us for 12 years.
No – go and hang yourself
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As a matter if interest has aintbustinagut ever been to Afghanistan to see what conditions he is making the troops endure?
I don’t thnk he has ever been out there. Can anyone prove me wrong?
I will criticise Bob for a lot but I think he has visited Afghanistan. I seem to remember him on the BBC News shortly after he was appointedI can’t find the source but the followong MoD link shows him in Helmand with the troops although I can’t locate an exact article referring to his visit.
http://www.mod.uk/DefenceInternet/DefenceNews/DefencePolicyAndBusiness/AinsworthProgressAndMomentumInAfghanistan.htm
Just because he’s visited Afghanistan, doesn’t make him a good Minister.
Gordon went to save his sorry arse, but it didn’t work. I saw the video of the soldiers gesticulating behind his back. That’s how much they wanted him there.
Oh, please – is there a link to this video??
That would be a stunner!!!
Yes please shell, link if poss?
There are cases of guns going off VERY accidentally you know…..tragic accident you know,Brown never stood a chance once it entered his ugly head and SPLAT!
Yes – Gordon SHOULD fire himself.
From a Saturn-5 Rocket
(preferably fuelled up for a trip to Pluto)
You surely mean URANUS?
Some good news at last…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8264260.stm
Bill Kristol is dead. Sadly thousands more of the neocon bastards he trained are not. But we’ll take what we can get.
Interesting guy – worked his way from one extreme of the political spectrum to the other, but always felt he was qualified to tell other people how to live their lives. Cυnt!
That’s Irving Kristol – Bill’s Nukonfather. Gone to dance a diabolic Leo Strauss waltz where the torture never stops.
He looks like a real man to me. He put his money where his mouth is, he risked his neck for his (and my) country. He has lost his son. Not in a battle to the death with an enemy we all recognise, not in a war of national survival. He lost his son in a war that should never have started, in war we can never win, in a war that Brown, Blair, Bush, Goldsmith et al, will never be able to run from. Totally unnecessary, the best of our youth destroyed by the animals in Government. My heart bleeds for him, his loss, and the last vestiges of our nation. Hasten the day these criminals are brought to book, and hanged, as the scum that they are. Surely it must be a sin to vote for them?
Hey this looks a great read: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Courage-Eight-Portraits-Gordon-Brown/dp/0747565325 – perhaps Bruin should one day?
It wasn’ae me ye und’stn!
Another Young Hero Dies At The hands Of This Bankrupt Government !
Bankrupt Of Money
Bankrupt Of Ideas
Bankrupt Of Morals
Bankrupt Of Courage
GO NOW AND HANG YOUR HEADS IN SHAME !
O/T but the Baroness is not having a good few days by the looks… oh dear oh dear oh dear….
Reported in the Times
THE attorney-general, Baroness Scotland, is facing serious questions about payments of £170,000 that Cabinet Office rules say she was not entitled to receive. Scotland is already at the centre of a row after she was found to be employing an illegal immigrant as a cleaner.
It emerged yesterday that she has for years been receiving an allowance intended for peers who live outside London, despite saying her main home is in the capital. Angus Robertson, the SNP’s leader in Westminster, said this was a “serious matter” and he would be writing to the cabinet secretary to request an investigation.
well spotted Agent 99
deserves a follow up by Guido I think
OT, but I see movement at last re Baronness Semenya. You know, the law maker and the law breaker.
cock smoker. poor taste, doesn’t even make sense.
Message for Barefootcontessa
I read way above on the thread you stated the Belgrano was ‘steaming away’ so she should not have been sunk.
Please take it from me the direction of a vessel is absolutely irrelevant to the threat it poses to a fleet or shipping near by. A warship does not have to be pointing at an enemy to fire apon them. A ship can be turned around 180 degrees in less than 30 seconds anyway.
A military vessel in the area of another military fleet provides a distraction to that fleet and its operations thus giving a distraction (intended or unintended)of potential of attack from another direction when they are concentrating on the first vessel. Any vessel is warned, its is warned also to remain outside any exclusion zone (as was Belgrano). If they thn choose to enter that zone then they become an so immeadiate threat to fleet operations so they are engaged and destroyed. No ifs or buts its a done deal.
So the direction of the vessel is immaterial, it always was, always will be and only left wing nut jobs seem to think otherwise. (I don’t think you are one of those hence my explanation) So please can we desist from the utter total bollox that the ‘ship was steaming away’ and should not have been sunk.
Incidentally ‘ Use of ships lifted from trade’ is standard procedure in these cases to enable mass transportation. The vessels are known as ‘STUFT’ vessels or ‘Ships Taken Up from Trade’ So there was no shortage only standard operating procedure. Funnily enough due to this governments actions we no longer have sufficient vessels and more likely crews to undertake that roll anymore. Another one of McDooms legacies.
I thank you
The argies tried to use the Belgrano as bait. It was an incredible ship, capable of sinking many Royal Navy ships and killing many Brits, so they thought we would go for it…
Well sometimes things used as bait get taken. They shouldn’t have started the war.
To this day it is the best measure of sane vs twat – i.e. does someone understand why the falklands war was just and necessary? Yes means they, however wild on much stuff like michael foot, obviously have some connection to reality, understanding that one must stand up to bullies. No means you need to just stop talking to them, they probably never outgrew being students.
DO NOT: Bring Weapons Into A War Zone If You Dont Want To Fight ! Simples !
Personally I don’t give a fuck about the argies, but the “war zone” wasn’t a war zone; it was only an exclusion zone and the Belgrano was outside of it when it was sunk.
Agent 99. The catastrophe re the sinking of the Belgrano is still clouded with mystery and controversy. The government probably distorted and hid the facts. Mrs T undoubtedly acted in order to gain votes in an upcoming election, and used a lot of flag waving English patriotism to claim an aura of triumphalism (Queen, country, Brittania etc), and that type of patriotism like religious fanatism is always dangerous. Personally I will have to read all the relevant literature before I’ll be able to see the wood for the trees. Thank you anyway Ag. 99 for your interesting paragraphs.
Cameron will cut the armed forced budget when he gets into Number 10. And then the soldiers in Afghanistan will be given peashooters to fight the Taliban.
FIGHT PUBLIC SPENDING CUTS!
or get the troops out of a pointless quagmire
far simpler
Public spending????? Twat!! the cuts should be aimed at the bloated quangoes this government introduced cut the state’s control over all of us. All these useless diversity so whats! Cut the public spending by at least 20%
THEN WE MIGHT GET OUT OF THIS SHIT!!
FIGHT PUBLIC SPENDING CUTS!
Is this person for real? god help us with loony leftists like this
FIGHT PUBLIC SPENDING CUTS!:
But only those relating to defence. Cut the rest of public spending to ribbons!
Can someone please give me a link to Yvette Balls-Cooper’s interview on Al Beeb this week, when she looked like a turtle in the headlights, and the pin-head kept staring at the interviewer and gulping in fear…?
I need a laugh these days, and it was a classic, sadly not recorded by the Scrobs Media enterprise for future enjoyment, and a sad day for all of us…
You mean Yvette Cooper as in;
“you must stop writhing around on the ground while we finish you off – you are making my job so much more difficult,so just let us get on with ruining the UK – we know best – I know best and you are nothing but scum.
And to think this CAN’T went to my son’s 6th form college – makes me shudder.
Labour plans secret £15bn tax rise, allege Tories
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6841321.ece
according to ITN ceefax Balls has announced he is to cut 2 billion of England’s schools budget ( oops did I say England, yes I did ITN does not) But we all know that education is devolved elsewhere.
Brown talks a lot about courage. It would have taken a lot of courage to go to the British public and say “I believe in this war in Afghanistan. It is necessary and right. But in order to prosecute this war, we need to fund it properly, so that our troops are not exposed needlessly to danger. Accordingly I expect you as citizens of this country to enjoy some reduction in your disposable income in order that we can get provide the troops with the right equipment and ensure there are indeed enough soldiers on the ground.”
Yes, Prime Minister, that would be a very brave thing to have done.
And of course, he didn’t do it.
I have little time for soldiers’ families who talk as if they never expected their sons and daughters to be exposed to danger but it seems to me a valid point is being made here.
Incidentally, I am no tactician but I have been appalled by what I have see on TV of our tactics which seem designed to put soldiers in danger. As a country we are extremely inventive and in the Second World War our D Day casualities were much lighter than the Americans’ in part because we were prepared to experiment with technology. But we our old duffer generals seem happy to employ mid 20th century tactics in engaging the Taliban with soldiers being completed exposed to gun and mortar fire, out in the open.
Why aren’t we using drones and kevlar screens? We seem to just plonk our soldiers in the line of fire.
Why not leave John McAleese in a room with Brown – give them 1 minute and see the result.
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This is a test
Troops out now, and as the last man leaves nuke the entire feckin region, and I mean region.
Madbadger –
Yes you are mad. Remember Chernobyl? No one could eat Welsh lamb (yes WELSH not Ukrainian) for about 2 years.
Do you realise how much radiation would be released in a nuclear attack on the whole of the Middle East (especially as you would be intentionally or otherwise hitting lots of nuclear facilities).
Go back to your badger sett.