Tories : We’ve Been Lefties for Centuries
This propaganda video is to be shown at the upcoming Conservative Party conference. It is an attempt to convince the rank and file that they are on the “progressive” side of history. It emphasises every centrist “progressive” piece of legislation Tory leaders have ever done. The video points to Peel’s repeal of the Corn Laws (urged on by the free market radical Richard Cobden) neglecting to mention that it split the land-owning Tory party. Note how it highlights Thatcher’s 1981 budget that put up taxes and cut spending. You don’t think they might be softening up the faithful?
Not easy to highlight Hague’s “progressive” side, so it claims that fighting the Euro was “progressive” as apparently was Heath taking Britain into the European Common Market.
Two peas in a pod one farts the other one says it was Thatchers fault
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Well they’re just as left as blair’s lot, that’s for sure. What is all this nonsense about left and right! Let’s have an honest hard working humane government who put the people first! Tat is right tribalism is dead……or should be.
these c’unts are having a fucking laugh: we were told that gordon brown saved the world but according to this video it was the conservatives!
what has this tory propaganda got to with today, what has it got to do with the here and now?
fuck all.
if they had any new and brilliant ideas or policies shouldn’t we have heard about them by now? after all there are only a few months left until the next election.
dodgy dave has not come up with any good policy because the c’unt hasn’t got any. end of.
it is no good blethering on about the past, no good at all.
politics is about the future. the future is independent, independent of political parties who have nothing left to offer us.
don’t get fooled again. vote independent.
Thick as Shit – no you shouldn’t have heard about them yet. What the fuck is the point of giving the turds in power any fucking ammunition when they could fuck up everything themselves? Where’s the profit? It doesn’t really take a genius to figure out what’s gonna happen – we’re skint, brassic, broke, penniless, sans l’argent, screwed etc. People are so lazy it could still get played that all public sector employees are gonna get screwed – which they are – but let Labour announce it. The pension thing, post offices, VAT rise, petrol rise, etc – it ain’t good politics and obviously it leaves CMD open to charges of being a useless shit, but as long as he keeps his gob firmly shut then fair play to the lad. If Labour folk wanna vote BNP then that’s just bloody amusing.
I agree with you as usual TaT. Vote for Independence. How was the carnival btw? Did your float come.
Is Gov rotten to the core?? All I seem to be smelling is Shit. I don’t think a word any of them say is worth listening too. I suppose all the clever people in Westminister. YES you do see them in some Select Commitee room making an awful lot of sense. Why aren’t they running the country?? Cause whoever is running this one can’t add up. Putting Petrol Tax up to take more money out of the economy to spend it in Afghanistan. Now that wont help balance the books. Will it?
When the piano-wire and lamp-posts are being deployed, Nazi Moderators will be the first to swing.
Labourlist post Labour Policies should comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable by Mike Ion of Liberal Conspiracy.
What fun.
I’m afflicted by the EU. What comfort are ZaNu going to offer me?
Is Mike Ion a wishy-washy version of Jimmy Neutron at all?
putting up taxes
saying yes to lisbon
staying in the aghan war
EU emperor Blair will be pleased
This is Gu1d0’s last chance to display IP numbers on every post and he has not taken it.
My Uncle Damian told me to feel pity but I don’t think he deserves it. This is a right wing terrorist training facility and Sp€d0 will dop his shorts and dump all over it.
YOU Started it and me and my Uncle Damian will finish it, okay?
Foxy Proxy is good.
Apparently I’m in Russia at the moment. I was in Zimbabwe this morning.
But never in Cloud Cuckoo land like Spaedo.
Socialists usually dump all over ordinary people, so what’s new Sped0?
Peeed0, have you not heard of proxy servers? Your stupid fuggin’ suggestion about IP addresses has about as much mileage as a 1963 Lincoln Continental.
491 – Not saying it would be the perfect solution – but lots of other places do it. Much of the crap stops simply when it is made inconvenient – but gu1d0 lets this place be a total sewer…the guy is an uprincipled hypocrite. If he wants to cast dispersions on the reputations of others for not doing their best by his mottly standards then he ought to do HIS best (but he don’t duzz he?).
The charge was, in case you forgot, that he was using bots to post computer generated hate messages – if he has nothing to hide, why does he not display the IP numbers, imperfect though it may be – it WOULD confirm whether he is using bots and software programs for whatever nefarious purposes his twisted mind imagines.
#1. You could not possibly have watched the video in two minutes. Go back to the lesson.
Sir , I was trying to point out that both parties are more or less the same , The only difference is the mentallty of the labour party towards any problem they have .
Of course they’re all the same. All pandering to big business.
The only difference is one always cocks things up by giving too much away and the other has to put things right by taking too much away.
A shame. As usual with all politicians they do not know when to thank their stars that they are ahead. Instead of us just thinking that they are complete, bumbling, imbecilic morons they just have to open their mouths or step in front of the cameras and remove all doubt.
There may be an element of spiking the enemy’s guns. This approach gives Nulab little opportunity to accuse the Tories of being baby-eaters.
With Brown’s bare arse hung out, just begging for the mother of all kickings, is that the best they can do to rally the Tory troops and put some fire in their bellies?
Still, the euphemism about Heath taking us into “the Common Market” would have any real Conservative spitting blood and feathers.
Bloody right, Albacore. That bastard Heath was a sell-out Traitor to the EU project all along.
Just tell me we are going to chop those pointless public sector non-jobs in administration and workflow coordination and i’ll vote for them.
Just being honest would be a start and a improvement on the current lot
Seems everyone wants a job in the public sector. Better work life balance and those lovely flexi hours. Nice pensions too. Might shock a few if they have to compete with the private sector for their jobs. Wakey Wakey time.
Hate to disabuse you, many Public Service jobs had to compete with private service for example road maintenance, this has been going on since the Thatcher years.
Oh isn’t the ‘Ire of Bliar’ a clever monkey!!!
Listen to me, Guido. You should know by now that I do what my Bilderberg and New world Order masters tell me.
They have put me on to a nice little earner, thank you very much.
Of course we are progressive. We are progressing towards the communitarian New world Order.
I am here and I’m going to absorb the message in the video presented by Guido before I return to comment upon the content and its meaning towards the delegates.
Hi ‘yall. I hope Guido is being rewarded for this survey amongst the replies to unfold. Do we want to change Britain? Or do we want to change the changers? Dave I have a message for you: Announce a referendum on the immediate withdrawel from the politics of Brussels and return to the Sovereign State with all sovereign law and power to the various countries of the UK and Great Britain.
You Sir, will be a statesman for doing nothing less.
…but: isn’t it, in this case, actually true to say ‘it all started in America.’? Was it not the Dulles’s who persuaded everyone over here that this ‘Europe’ thing was a good idea, and put pressure on them to move towards a European ‘bloc’ that could act as a counterbalance to the Soviet ‘bloc’?
No prizes for accurately guessing what the CIA/FBI had on the cottaging Heath (wouldn’t we all, though, love to know what they had on Miranda, to render him Bush’s lap-dog “Yo: Blair!”); what a pity this Country no longer has a Wellington, capable of saying, ‘Publish, and be damned!’
If political ends can only be achieved by evil means (Blackmail, Bribes…) then, if they are not already, ipso facto evil ends, then surely, they become tainted by the very means that are used to get them carried out.
bryberry and blackmail
Blackberry and apple.
257 – Just remember,
‘Apple Crumble
Makes you rumble.’
We won’t mention Apple Tart…
We have a Gen. (Rtd.) Sir Richard Dannat. Could be a good start!
Heath was a Traitor. Only Gordon Brown comes close to doing as much damage to this country as Heath did.
What’s the difference between Ted “Traitor” Heath and Gordon “Traitor” Brown?
Ted Heath lied to the electorate to get the UK into the EUSSR.
Gordon Brown and Saint Blair lied (to get re-elected). They lied to the electorate that there would be a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty – a self-amending treaty which means that any future law bypasses national governments and voters….. just like the good old days of the USSR and Moscow.
However, what do the Tories promise? Certainly there will be NO vote of getting out of the Communist club that the EUSSR is.
The UK is well and truly FUCKED!
Did newlabour stand by any of it’s manifesto promises?
At least Heath gave the people a referendum to ask if they wanted to join the EEC. I voted against, for the record.
No. Traitor Heath did not give us a referendum on joining the EEC. And he lied about both the CFP and sovereignty (proven by the release of papers under the ‘30 year rule’).
It was Wislon who gave us a referendum, in 1975, on ‘continued’ membership of the EEC. He lied as well, about his ‘re-negotiation’ (it was a fake). But overall Wislon did not lie as much or as comprehensively as the Grocer Traitor.
A civil servant once explained to me that the UK government policy on the EU was like a supertanker – it was very difficult and slow to change course, and would take decades to stop.
It would take a disaster to get us out quickly because all three main parties are committed to staying in. I cannot see the EU lasting any more than the USSR, because it is an artificial and imposed oligarchy, with no democratic mandate. So I just shudder to think how big a disaster will ensue.
…probably the World War they’ve all been telling us the ‘Europe’ has been preventing…
Why is it, that one doen’t see an idiocy until AFTER one has pressed the SUBMIT Button?
For ‘the’, please read ‘that’.
I do’t know why the obvious typos are only apparent after the submit button has been pressed. Maybe Guido is guiding the syntax somehow.
Anyhow I’m sure there is a grant and a PhD to be gained to study this phenomenon at a ‘UK University near you’.
Its a well known phenomemenon – a variation on the transmutation of matter between time dimensions. IE stuff changes of its own volition. For example: ever lost your keys, then found them where you previously looked? The keys just disappeared for a while.
See – it happened again.
That is why so many people (myself included) have told Dave to fuck off and joined UKIP.
Who decided that “progressive” = “votes”. Think anyone gives a fig? A bit less progressivism and a bit more common sense and honesty would do it for me.
Butt out of our lives you ponzi politicians
Why, that was the BBC. They’ve convinced a staggering number of people that “change” and “progress” are always good things. These people believe that the BBC is merely reflecting popular opinion, but in fact it is defining it. That is why the Tories, or any party, must completely convince the BBC they are “progressive” in order to stand a chance of election.
What about ‘progressively’ dismantling the BBC?
‘Progressive’ is self regarding BBC speak for liberal, Labour party supporting luvvies. After all, BBC staff are not supposed to admit to being Labour Party lackeys, even though they are. Indeed, in polite society, admitting to being a Labour supporter per se is increasing something to be ashamed of….
Why the hell Call me Dave and the Tories are getting involved in this ‘progressive’ lark is beyond me. It can only backfire on them.
CMD is being the ‘heir to Blair’ by ignoring his core voters (as Bliar did) and appealing to Liebore luvvies and Lib Dims (he knows disenchanted working class Liebores will probably vote BNP or stay away).
They could be laying claim to the ‘progressive’ tag in advance of the General Election, when ‘New Labour’ will be looking to rebrand itself.
Its not rocket science that who ever comes in a the election will cut spending and put up taxes , Its just down to us on who to belive ?
There’s months and months of claim, counter claim, analysis, false figures, scaremongering, dirty tricks, rhetoric and lies to come yet.
Don’t just come out and say we have to put up taxes and cut spending otherwise people might think we should have an election straight away.
There’s months and months of claim, counter claim, analysis, false figures, scaremongering, dirty tricks, rhetoric and lies to come yet.
Yes, and all of it phony. The same people are pulling the strings of both so-called ‘parties’ which give only the illusion of choice – when are you people going to wake up to this?
Thirded
Yes, it certainly IS phoney.
ZaNuLabour and ZaNuConservatives- the Coke and Pepsi of UK politics.
Both are essentially the same- just different packaging.
Both both leave a nasty taste in your mouth.
A good history lesson to the fools at Conservative Home who seem to believe the Conservative Party was founded by Thatcher.
Thatcher was a liberal, not a Tory.
They missed the premium bond! Didn’t Macmillan bring that in? The fore runner of the National Lottery?=.
B U T to place Cameron alongside Wellington, Peel, Churchill and Thatcher. What utter crap. They were all thinkers with courage to get the job done.
CAMERON is a coward. Only there to get the big job by any means. The heir to Blair he called himself.
Standby for a new leader. Step forward Daniel Hannan PLEASE.
The good Lord doesn’t want a bald leader the good Lord wants a Bold leader. You can’t have both in this world, sadly.
The Good Gord only wants one leader. Himself.
Actually, a shaved scalp has been pretty cool for a long time, now.
That means them wearing rectangular blue shades though.
88 – Not least, if I might venture to say so, beneath a full, horsehair wig. Mine, I have to say, looks particularly ‘cool’ with a black cap atop ot!
Sir at this moment in time we have a choice between Mr Cameron , Mr Clegg and Mr Brown , That said Mr Cameron only has to do one thing to elected and that is to be honest .
While i admire Mr Hannan mep for his speeches ( up there with Mr Hauge ) at this moment the Conseritives need strong voices not just in the Uk .
My tip would be Mayor Johnson for future leader of the Conseritve party
Boris Johnson is a lefty, people voted for him to get rid of ultra lefty Red Ken Livingslime. Now Boris is in he’s coming up with lefty ideas like an amnesty for the millions of illegal immigrants.
We need people on the right, who are NOT affected by the cancer of political correctness.
I fully agree. you can never tell the true colour of someone’s political stripes until they’re in power. Only then does the truth seep out (over time). Boris is looking like just another player.
S.o.n., that’s absolutely true, in relationships too human beings don’t show their true colours until you get to know them REALLY well.
Boris is absolutely right to push for an amnesty,only when the final tally of illegal immigrants is finally held to be accurate will it be possible to make a case for zero inward immigration.I would estimate at least two and a half million are stuck in the twylight,once an amnesty is declared the ensuing outcry would allow a proper visa system to be put in place without the “nasty” label being flung around like “racist” has been for years.
Despite the Dan Hannan fan club – there’s a slight flaw in the “Hannan for Leader Masterplan” – we’re talking about the next election anytime from October 2009 until May 2010. Not the one in 2015. Hannan’s not even a MP he ’s a MEP and at present has little powerbase in the Parliamentary Party. So best to just get on with supporting Cameron – that is unless you WANT another 5 years of Labour ?
There won’t be another election after 2010. At least not the type our Nation has known for a century. The next one decides who our real government is: European central. I’ll gladly vote for Conservative if the primary reason is a referendum on UK sovereign government with our head of state HMQ. Quite frankly, we shouldn’t even be talking about a referendum anyway; the only reason we are is because of treachery and treason.
Around 80 per cent of new national law is made in Brussels. Please explain how CMD will be any different than Bliar? Until we get out of the EU, we are powerless to actually decide on the type of government we want. No referendum on the EU = not vote for the Tories from me.
Agreed. Cameron seems to think we are all stupid.
Exactly, we can vote the socialist scum out of Westminster but we are still governed by the uber socialist statist EU. Out of the EU is the only way.
I hear that they have already chosen their election night anthem … “Things Can Only Get Wetter”.
Its better than ‘Ode To Boy’ I suppose.
Did he call himself the heir to Blair? and if not who did????
They also failed to mention Rab Butler’s education reforms
Championing the consumer by ending price fixing, and by supporting rent controls? Surely they can’t both be good?
Rent controls? That sounds like Communism. Someone else has to pay the difference, and that’s the sucker in the private industry who generates wealth for the UK economy. Always the hard working getting it in the neck by the freeloaders.
Nope, the housing will just get abandoned – look at what happened in NY.
I remember those. Stopped landlords exploiting little old ladies and meant taxpayers didn’t have to pay masses of housing benefit to benefit fiddlers and buy to let landlords. That’s not communism that’s commonsense.
No… ‘Little old ladies’ just got exploited anew by being housed in the shittiest apartments you’ve ever seen. Go to a property auction site and find some ‘regulated tenancy’ sales and view. You’ll be astonished some of the places are still standing!
I’m glad that troll called Tat is off today. Guido can we have a swear box please-for good causes?
He doesn’t crawl out of his coffin until he’s satisfied the men in white coats have finished their shift.
Tat adds a touch of spice that would otherwise be missing from this blog.
Yeah he’s OK if you like a pile of brussels sprouts smothered in chip shop curry sauce, which you evidently do.
Seconded BFC. TaT’s a star. The way he winds folks up and bashes boring trolls, cracks me up. Perhaps he’s off singing in the meadows today!
99. He’s got posh’s legs
138 He’s probably up Notting Hill with pink feathers on his head
142. Flamingo (sorry, Flamenco) dancing!
TaT has got Posh’s legs? What has he done with the rest of her?
156. Engineer. The case of the missing legs has only just come to light. With respect to the decency of this blog, it would be unwise to elaborate on the hilarious circumstances surrounding this event…
Oh go on. Promise we won’t tell…
“Seconded BFC. TaT’s a star.”
FFS, the only star Tat resembles is a rusty sherrif’s badge.
Eng. Let’s just say David hasn’t noticed yet. We’re trying to get them back ASAP…
They may not be perfect, but they’re the best your going to get. And so unutterably far ahead of the socialists in the not wishing to control your lives stakes, that hopefully they will get the opportunity to repair some of the damage nulab have caused !
hear hear
Not very good in opposition though?
It always just the least bloody worst option isn’t it?
Yeah; never the best is it?
Our main government is the EU. There is very little left for CMD to decide.
OT but, on a recent visit to the Scottish Parliament, I was struck by how un-Scottish the architecture was. Calatrava was desperately engaged in making a composite pastiche of all things Scots. It is a thing of beauty, but it sits in Edinburgh like a flower amidst a sea of granite.
EU law insisted that this ’sovereign parliament’ put the building’s design out to open tender. Fantastic though it is, there is nothing Scots about it.
Alba an diugh!
Another good reason to vote UKIP then.
25. Their conference agenda is now on their website btw :)
It all started with the Garden Of Eden, and then look what happened.
Ooh dear..
Heh.. Can’t think why they struggled to fill the last 2min’s (12 years) of 8min’s 40 (200 years) video.
The Tories stopped women from working in the mines. Well done! Keep them in the kitchen and bedroom, where they belong.
All women belong in the kitchen (or the scullery) but not all of ‘em belong in the bedroom, mate. There’s no place for ugly birds in a bloke’s bedroom.
I’m such a good little girlie, I know my place. I’ve made the beds, done the ironing, dusting, washing up, general cleaning, cooking, just had time for a cuppa (didn’t sit down, promise).
Now I’m putting the washing out, preparing the evening meal, making plum jam, and hulling my home grown tomatos for home made soup.
Haven’t asked any questions, made any comments. Am taking my pinny off now in order to have another cup of tea in preparation for the evening and night shifts.
It’ll be such a relief when the holiday’s over and I can get back to working in the mines.
ouch….that’s telling them, and quite right too. They all need a damned good slapping and then off to bed in the garden shed with no supper. Tears all round.
barefootcontessa. You are the epitomy of a good woman. Well done. ‘Mines’ white with one sugar btw. Thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS37SNYjg8w&feature=fvst
I don’t know about the Gold Standard but I do love little kittens
That’s where the Burkas come in handy ;-)
My guess is that when Cameron becomes PM, he will have a honeymoon period of about three and a half seconds. And if he’s got any sense at all he will attack the PC brigade with an axe. Strip out all the bullshit legislation and all the bullshit enforcers. The litmus test will be whether he puts smoking rooms back into pubs. If he fails the smoking test, his administration will probably fail through lack of balls and his votes will go to UKIP.
There just isn’t enough support to put the smoking rooms back. Really , there isn’t.
There is from me, and I don’t smoke. I’m sick of people who used to go to the pub chucking their dog ends in my garden, sitting on my wall and generally making a nusiance of themselves. One of the reason we’ve seen an increase in street fights and crimes is that instead of sitting decently indoors and kippering themselves, they are hanging around outside and getting lairy.
It is, as tph says, a litmus test. Either the conservatives do what promotes freedom and, in this case, will also be the sensible practical response – an ancient virtue they once understood – or they carry on in a dogmatic pea-brained fashion.
It’s not looking good, though, I’ll give you that.
Good point. Perhaps “Call me Dave” should be honest enough to re-entitle himself “Call me Gutless Dave”
And smoking isn’t the litmus test: getting out of the EU is!
I don’t smoke, but I want it back in pubs to keep all the f*cking kids and their f*cking buggies out. Or at least have adults only zones, so I can have a pint and grumble about the state of the nation in peace without competing with a chorus of whining ankle-snappers and their pandering parents saying everything but ‘No.’
There’s nowhere to put empty crisp packets now that they’ve removed the ashtrays from the tables.
There’s nowhere to put your pint now the tables are crammed with plates of poncified pub grub.
I think you are wrong about the support, but that is beside the point. The point is if you are going to have to do all the unpleasant things that the Tories are going to have to do to get the country back on track, it would be wise to create a diversion, and no diversion would be better than to spit roast those bastards over a slow fire. The wailing and the gnashing of teeth will be deafening, and it would put everybody in a good mood for months. There’s nothing like a good public execution.
36. It will be rather a little late by then won’t it. Lisbon outlaws anti-european talk and association
The Tories have been the progressive party. That’s a simple fact.
Who made universities free with entry based on merit? The Tories.
Who allowed working class people to own their own homes for the first time? The Tories.
Who freed working people from the burden of paying for subsidised industries and fatcat unions? The Tories.
Going back further, who ended slavery? The Tories. Who took this country into the war against Nazism? The Tories. Labour’s only two “progressive” achievements have been the minimum wage and the NHS. One of them has had the effect of pricing the unskilled out of the workplace and the other is sixty years old and made of Fail.
Face facts: whatever there is or has ever been in this country that has the sparkle of liberty, it came from Conservatism. Whatever there is that has eroded liberty or stepped on people’s rights to do as they please, it has came from the Labour Party.
The EU?
Brilliant post.
My father gave my Nan the money to buy her council house because she had accomodated him and my mother, for several years, before they were able to afford thier own place.
And it was a Tory council that was the first to introduce nude sunbathing in Brighton. Now that’s progressive! Labour pulled a very sulky face while this was happening – showing the nature of their own conservatism.
In times gone by Brown would have been suspended from a tree in a net and hit with a piece of wood.
He’d probably pay for that treatment. Its not harsh enough.
Give him to Michael Barrymore’s friends, they’d have a good time with Gordon.
81 Perhaps we ought to take his temperature…
What the hell does “progressive” actually mean in this context? Is it just a nice, cuddly word that won’t offend anyone?
Sir it means whatever you/they want it to mean
It’s also a word much used by Polly Toynbee and similar lefties. The Tories have now nicked it and made it their own. The word itself, as you say, means whatever you choose it to mean, but the left can no longer use it as a stick to beat the Tories. Smart move by the Tory strategists, I think.
Once upon a time, when there was a political party in Scotland that represented right wing views it was either called Unionist or Progressive.
Most of the former Unionists have migrated to the SNP.
The word conservative evokes resistance to change, and may put some people of a reformist mind to look elsewhere for representation.
At the moment Dave seems to represent motherhood and apple pie. I suspect we will require something more contentious, approaching revolution to remedy the decline we are in right now.
Britain is progressing alright……towards an Islamic state. Just who amongst our shower-of-shit treasonous ‘British’ establishment are going to stop it? Spiv boy Cameron? The Gay Lord? The Arch Druid of Canterbury? Queenie perhaps?
Certainly not old Nickie Yolkhairs.
The Physical Training Act 1937 promoted exercise and good dieting and aimed for a compulsory medical inspection of the population. (Wiki)
a) Chamberlain obviously didn’t introduce it, contrary to what the video claims
b) How is compulsory medical inspection positive a Tory idea? It’s statism at its worst.
Yes, but you’re forgetting that the one of the main reasons for the Physical Training Act was the preparation for war. If we were going to fight a war with Germany then we needed a healthy population and pretty quickly.
59. Good point and could it be the turning of a blind eye (pardon the pun) to addictive narcotics be a cheaper way of sustaining future canon fodder?
A touch of irony? A healthy population ready for slaughter!
Respeck ma authoritah!
Yet more cobblers from the flakey boo to a ghost camp, the UK population would be a fuck sight more impressed if call me dave started kicking out the theiving MP’s that ripped off the UK taxpayer with their low moral expenses claims.
Westminster, another day another load of bollocks.
Spot on Reevo, I read this in the telegraph this morning:
In the wake of the scandal over MPs’ expenses, Sir Christopher Kelly and his Committee on Standards in Public Life were asked to come up with recommendations as to how the system could be improved. MPs’ own suggestions on that topic showed that a minority among them still don’t understand what all the fuss was about. One MP even said that he and his colleagues should not be required to submit receipts at all, since doing so would turn MPs into “petty accounting clerks”.
That response shows a failure to understand that public money is exactly that: money belonging to the public. The most elementary requirement for public servants is that they should be able to justify how that money is spent. What was so shocking about the Telegraph’s revelations over expenses was the extent to which MPs had either forgotten that requirement, or decided that it did not apply to them.
At heart of the problem is the sense of entitlement that animates many politicians, the feeling that they are worth far more than they are paid, and that their compensation should be increased accordingly. Such conceit is not limited to Parliament: it is endemic across the public sector. Consider the comments last week by Jana Bennett, the BBC’s “director of vision”, who defended its decision not to reveal what it pays its performers on the grounds that “it is an error to suggest that the public would actually be able to contribute to working out what we do about it”.
But knowing how our money is spent is not a favour which can be granted or withheld according to whether a bureaucrat thinks we would use the information properly. We have a basic right to total transparency in the way public employees spend our money on themselves, or on anyone or anything else.
The first step that MPs need to take in order to win back the public’s trust is to take responsibility for their own poor judgment in making claims which they believed they would never have to own up to in public. They must not – as some have done – try to blame the House of Commons’ fees office, or peer pressure from their colleagues, for nudging them into their outrageous claims.
As Sir Christopher’s committee will no doubt recognise, and most ordinary people will accept, many MPs certainly work long hours. They clearly need offices and secretarial staff; and those with constituencies outside London need accommodation while in the capital. But if they are to be trusted by the public with public money, MPs need to convince us that they realise that it is not theirs by a kind of modern equivalent of droit de seigneur. The submissions to Sir Christopher’s committee suggest that some of them have not yet accepted that principle.
Spot on Reevo, but I fear they still don’t get it, more Boxer’s will be boiled down for glue to pay for another crate of whisky.
There may well be hoards of younger people reading this blog (victims of a Labour education system) who will have no idea what the fuck your’e talking about here. They’ll probably confuse your reference to the heroic carthorse to a form of men’s underware. Please endeavour to not exclude people by assuming every fucker’s read one of the best books ever written. I can assure you that more and more these days, they haven’t.
208 “Hoards”… “underware”… “to not exclude”. Something makes me wonder whether you too were such a victim.
Actually it’s taught in many schools for GCSE. Mainly because it’s short and fairly simple.
I agree 100% with your comments above.
The MP’s who have made the national newspapers, are now so puffed-up and full of their own self-importance, that they see no need for us (the taxpayers) to scrutinise their earnings. Anthony Steen and Alan Duncan are classic examples.
They cannot be trusted to make bona-fide claims and the public have quite rightly baulked at their claims for duck houses, hanging baskets, fireplaces, and the like. If MP’s want to regain the trust of the general public, they will have to seriously think about how they conduct themselves and how it is seen by the electorate, which hasn’t been the case so far.
These people make the Rules by which they all abide, so little wonder that the system is so open to abuse.
Had to scroogle.org “BBC Director of Vision” to see if it it was really real. So it is. Are they looking for a “Director of Tubbies”? Please, God, let it be me @£130k pa. Plus expenses.
How about a new docudrama series: Rubadubdub 3 Men in a Tub. Or for Sunday, Tub Ularbells. Or a contemporary music program for da yoof: Tub-E. I also do PC/health propaganda: Yes, Tub It Out NOW! (Say it quickly)
Director of the Sacred Flame of Truth and Troughing… Most High Priestess of the Dog’s Bollocks and Temple of Doom…. jeez don’t they just love themselves?
Any more pretentious job titles?
Reevo said: “MPs … clearly need … secretarial staff …”
They most certainly do! After all, you cannot expect them to go out in the street to flag down their own pro. That’s for plebs. Think how humiliating that would have been for Presclott, for example.
Ted Heath sold us down the river when we joined the Common Market, all to getr his name into the history books.
and a yaught, yuaght, er nice boat probably
Yot.
thats the word. Thankgs Barefootedcontessa
The Grocer was a lying conductor.
Seconded.
It hangs together well apart from one thing – the Common Market. Uuuughhhhh!!!! That bit makes you sick. The rest is excellent, and commands respect.
Yeah but spanish north sea fish taste better than Uk fish from the North Sea.
No it isn’t. Our fishermen are being fished out of existence by Spanish and other fishermen, who were granted fishing rights just 12 miles off our shores. There wasn’t enough fish to go around (hence the cod shortage), and some of our fishermen went bankrupt.
The common market just about killed any industry we had. Don’t get me wrong, I think competition is a good thing, but Heath’s negotiations and number crunching left a hell of a lot to be desired. Heath could have done so much more for the people here but, instead, chose to be sycophantic where the european powers were concerned. Perhaos he was hoping for a job there. Who knows.
Progressive to the left means destroying the country
Progressive to right means fixing the countrys finance so the left can wreck it again
The right put right what the left have left.
who’s on first base …
Tories are the ‘pigs in the middle’. They grind their boot in the face of the poor to keep them down, while destroying the property and culture of their betters.
Lest we forget, the Tories destroyed 1000s of beautiful stately homes and dispossessed a benign aristocracy with pernicious death duty (1950s – 60s). The ‘new rich’ that have taken over are now dirty little kleptocratic crooks from the Tory ranks.
Also, Tories destroyed education and the university system. The slimy jumped-up lounge lizard John Major was rancid with hatred for educated types, so he decided inner-city drug-dens had be classed as universities, and all the chavs with small heads should have degrees. So now we have morons with degrees who have the brain power of a cheeseburger.
The Tories are not ‘Lefties’. -They are thieves and liars only in it to line their deep pockets (just like the Tories, Nu Labour).
Very observant. Well spotted.
And Ghengis Khan was a bleeding-heart liberal.
66 he was to his klhan
Riiiiight.
It’s amazing how the elitism of ’socialism’ always shines through.
To put it more elegantly Labour always trends to totalitarianism through state control of everyone lives, whist the Tories trend to oligarchism by giving their mates all the juicy earners whilst they keep the hoi poloi in check.
Sounds about right.
Indeed it does, lola. So… state control of oligarchism. Sound about right?
We have the oligarchs – starting with the central banksters, etc cartels. We have the technology – CCTV, deep packet inspection, etc. All we need is to put 2 and 2 together. Am I being optimistic?
Deep packet inspection – good as it sounds?
Sam, I like it. For what that’s worth.
[...] minute film tracing the progressive changes instigated by Conservative leaders through the ages. Guido thinks it proves how left wing the Conservatives have become. Nonsense. The Conservative Party has [...]
Cameron and Co are just complete Hoons hell bent on the destruction of the Tory party and the eradication of conservative thinking from British politics.
Watching this film was the last straw for me I won’t be renewing my party membership and will be voting UKIP, for want of a better libertarian alternative, at future elections.
Yeah, but you won’t unless you are in a tory safe seat already as although as they are saying some well lefty things they are still better than labour.
If he gets in, I reckon he’ll change but if he stays like he is now and doesn’t implement Hannan’s “the plan” then the only thing that can be done is split the tory party in half and create a libertarian party which would incorporate UKIP and sensible bods from other parties who have more than half a brain about how things work.
The lefty/authoritarian “tories” can then go off and be the opposition.
Mr Fawkes and others , To be honest the main reason that Mr Cameron will win is the hatered of Mr Brown which in one way is bad , but it may also mean that Mr Cameron is going to have to listen to the people a lot more than Mr Brown does ( He just stays in the bunker until Lord Mandleson says he can come out ).
Oh dear a bit defeatist. Vote for change Banzai seiken kotai ukip
What we need is a hung parliament. Hang the lot of them!
I would certainly agree with the contessa that hanging the ingrates would be a good thing but as for a hung parliament, that will only do us any good, if the balance of power is held by independents and not the woolly headed liberals.
ah, something we can agree on summer breeze.
excellent.
P.A.C.E, Police and criminal evidence act and the creation of the CPS were under the Tory government.
Can’t change the ethnics who didn’t want an effective police force, well change the Police instead.
And once undermined, slash wages in real terms and conditions of employment.
Tick the box, 5 foot nothing cops, here we come.
Oh and who can forget the Maastrich treaty signed under the conservatives, that was a real hum fucking dinger.
A Human rights and Polish workers charter.
I agree with you in respect to Maastricht being a huge mistake, and it should also be pointed out that it was the Tories who signed us up to the Dublin Agreement, despite being warned that it would become the asylum seekers charter. However I disagree with you over PACE. As much as I despise the Michael Mansfields of this world there were in the past several cases of police forces fitting people up. PACE was not simply legislation to pacify minorities. As for linking the Maastricht treaty to Polish workers. The treaty was signed in 1992. The Poles only became full EU members in 2003 so I don’t see the link.
Forgive me,Polish worker as in a generalisation I meant.
For well over a hundred years the Police of this country operated quite well without PACE.
Were the population unhappy as to how they operated?NO
Under the old rules of engagement between cops and robbers of course things were open to abuse but the criminals would work on a quid pro quo basis of,
‘Ok guv I will cough to that job’ bearing in mind he had got away with a few others.
The fact is things did change because of minority groups.The left did a good job of undermining the trust between people and the police.
And the conservatives could save a few bob on wages for new coppers plus create more jobs for their own ilk (Solicitors) at the CPS.
Avoid confrontation with ethnic minoritys at any cost is the order of the day.
Any coincidence that the pilot of the Cannabis downgrade was in an area populated by West indians.
The smoking of cannabis in public was a constant cause of friction as was the Police having the temerity to do their job.
Dont you think the West Midland Serious Crimes Squad and their brand of justice made pace inevitable,they were the only force caught but how many went to prison for crimes they did not commit.
Do you think that Colin Stagg,Stefan Kizko,The Birmingham six,The Bridgewater four,The Guildford Four are guilty.
Because of bad policing the perpetrators are still at large.
Madman. They sorted out the Kiszko/moleseed one. Recently.
Oh but as he says its all the fault of “minority groups”. Wierd blokes with odd hormonal problems are a minority too.
The old ‘Life on Mars’ way of police work did have it’s faults but if given the choice I would rather take my chances with a strong effective though not perfect Police force than a fearless criminal fraternity and a ‘Service’ full of beancounters.
Ok Arsely I am making it up. The SPG weren’t effective in driving down crime in Brixton causing the locals to riot crying victimisation and racism thus prompting the Left to exploit the situation.
The British public were quite happy thank you very much with our Police force except for the Left wing of course.
The Ethnic Minoritys were a tool to be used.An oppressed people who needed protection from the cops.
From 1981 the Police have been on the backfoot, Toothless,gutless and fucking useless.
Anythings better than riots as far as the politicians are concerned.
I don’t go anywhere where policemen are likely to beat me to death. Result!
I can of course sit on my arse when the police kill people and ignore it.
Come to think of it, that is what I do.
If you want an all-white story, what about Caroline Dickinson? French police somehow got a confession out of a homeless guy. Ah yes. homeless are a minority so perhaps its just me being a lefty that makes me think you shouldn’t lock up the most convenient suspect.
No our Police don’t shoot or beat up innocent people since the introduction of PACE.
Oh hang on, yes they do.
It is not my warped opinion that minority groups backed by left wing agitators affected change in the Police it is a fact.
Changing the Police and how they operate was the least line of resistance.
Ironicly since PACE now the majority dislike and distrust the Polce.
So you think that the police – even the 70’s style – didn’t need to be accountable to the public?
Do you think its right to lock up the wrong person just to keep the public happy?
Let me get back to my point,
That a so called party of law and order (the Conservatives) brought in PACE.
It was a reaction to complaints by the minority NOT the majority that the Police had to be more accountable.
In effect a Police constable was no longer trusted to prosecute a case.
I am sure that had the public felt over more than a hundred years that the Police were in need of reform it would have happened.
The reason it didn’t was that the MAJORITY were obviously happy with the Police Force warts’n'all.
The Tories supported teh NHS?, they voted against it in all3 rounds of parlaiment, Yes Beveridge came up wit the idea, they only reason they had to support it after being re elected in 51 was after tehy lost in 1950 Rab Butler persuaded Churchill to keep for electoral reasons,
AS for saying it was good the toires introduced proffesional campaigning (accompanied in the video with a picture of the poster Labour isn’t working)Isn’t htat the poster where when the toires came ot power and unemployment tripled they said ‘its not the governments job to get unemployment down’
Michale Howard was a good Home secretary as crime fell 18% under his time?, The fact that it had doubled in the previous 10 years still means that it was 32% higher on the tories leaving power in 97 than when they entered in 79,
Hague saved the pound? he lead the toires to there worst ever defeat Brown vetoed Blair bid to Take us into the single currency becasue the time wasn’t right
The flaklands was a mistake on General Galtieri’s part as Thatcher had got rid of most of the Navy he lfet he could take it,she milked it for all its worth.Are headlines like Gotcha’ something that restored national pride, and As for Saddam hussain invading Kuwait who sold him the weapons in the first place?
i Could go on…
Dr Reid, you really ought to lay off the Scottish wine before posting.
No. 73 is correct.
No. 73 is hard to follow, but correct.
> As for Saddam hussain invading Kuwait who sold him the weapons in the first place?
Only Russia makes T55 tanks and BMP armoured personnel carriers.
Not to mention Ruskie MIG29’s and the Fwench were kind enough to flog him a few Mirage jets, but why let facts get in the way of a good rant?
http://www.command-post.org/archives/002978.html
in terms of dollar value, Russia was responsible for 57% of all weapon sales to Iraq between 1973 and 1990.
How nice of them. I’d be interested to know whether the US sort-of approved of that, and either let it happen, or didnt complain.
Wasn’t iraq supposed to be useful in the early 80s – bombing Iran etc?
Union of Soviet Socialist Republics 1991 RIP. So the period 1973 – 1990 was when the Soviet Socialists were selling armaments to Iraq. Somehow I doubt that the USA had a right lot of control over the USSR then.
Next biggest arms supplier was France. Germany supplied a lot of industrial/chemical/nuclear equipment too.
Dear 73,
I hope you don’t have any position of resposibility as you don’t seem too hot on the writing front.
Of course you could actually be the Dr J. Reid PhD which explains everything.
No wonder everything that NuLabor touches doesn’t work.
its not the governments job to get unemployment down’
That’s correct. It is the job of the government to provide the conditions to allow the private sector to create real jobs. Government making fake non-jobs doesn’t create wealth and only adds to the burden of the private sector.
Employment rose initially under Thatcher as unprofitable industries shut down before new profitable ones took their place. Unemployment thereafter fell rapidly as the fruits of Thatcher’s policies kicked in. The numbers were largely short term transitional employed unlike the long term unemployable underclass of today.
Over one million manufacturing jobs lost in the UK since Liebore came to power in 1997.
Thatcher withdrew support for industries that would have failed before, had not Liebore propped them up in the 1970s with taxpayers’ money. They failed because customers did not want to buy their products.
There is a marked difference between not milking the taxpayer, and on the other hand actively discouraging manufacturing by economic mismanagement, the property bubble, over taxation, and over regulation as Bliar and Gordoom have done in the last 12 years.
So17 do you work at SO17
Not no more John. I left under a cloud in 97.I understand it is now CO7 or something.
That’s a postcode near me.
Under a cloud. CO7. Getting warm here, give me a minute. Are you also small black and furry by any chance?
Co2 is a cloud but I’m too exhausted to work for them now
it went back to so17 ,i worked there from 2000-2002
I greet you well brother.
The Conservative Party needs to be looking forward to how it is going to be dealing with the mess that the labour crew are leaving behind.
It was perhaps not the most sensible move, to make a video of past events on which to rest their laurels.
It would have been better if they had made a video addressing the issues we face, the bankrupt economy, mp’s fraudulent expenses, the war that the american general said today we are losing, the overbloated public sector and started to tell us how they are going to start putting these things right.
The tories need to be looking forward to how they are going to deal with the mess that labour have made of government.
It was perhaps not the most sensible move to make a video of past events on which to rest their laurels.
It would be better if they made a video addressing the issues we face, the trashed economy, mp’s unacceptable expense claims, the afghan war that american has admitted this morning we are losing, the overbloated public sector and started to tell us how they are going to start putting these things right.
If anything that video will get delegates thinking; Ummmm we want to keep what we’ve got and without conceading it to Brussels – so vote UKIP they shall.
Well there’s 8 minutes and forty seconds of my life I’ll never get back. Who put this pile of shit together? Words fail me.
Granted the Tories have been marginally less injurious towards this country than Labour or the Liberals, but that’s analogous to saying that some old bloke was decent enough to poison his wife with antimony rather than arsenic.
This little film features some of the biggest traitors in British history and portrays them as some kind of heroes. Once again, words fail me.
It ain’t going to work for the Conservatives this way.
I get updates from Eric Pickles on what they are doing to regain the public confidence. In my view, he is completely the wrong person to be doing this. He lives just over 40 miles outside London, yet claims exorbitant amounts for his second property, which he justified by saying that he had to be in London very early in the morning to carry out his parlimentary duties. It didn’t wash with me, and, I’ll wager it won’t wash with thee electorate.
Dave is barking up the wrong tree if he wants to gain votes.
Eric Pickles is Conservative’s answer to newlabour’s George FFFFFFoulkes.
I thought he was the Conservative answer to me.
What the fuck next, we stick a blue rosette on Ali Al Magheri , give him a seat in the house of Lords and then make him minister for camels and exploding radios?
Heath should be dug up and burnt, my BBQ is available.
Cameron is a fucking cock trumpet and doesnt get my vote, far better for 5 more years of this shower of shite and let the whole fucking mess implode.
I’m with you Beast.
Let’s go down in Glory with the Evil Shitheads rather than grease up to these vacuous Cameroons.
Do they really think that a moronic slogan of Vote for Change and a symbol that looks like a broken pencil box will persuade us to vote them in, with no policies or principles in sight.
I’d rather watch McMental and his crones come to a slow and painful end.
Same here, chaps. And we’re not alone. We’re in the good company of one of the very few TRUE Tories left: the “Chingford Skinhead” aka Lord Tebbit.
Fuck Phony Dave and his empty slogans. Let’s give Labour sufficient rope to hang themselves with. Vote Labour!
Now why does it remind of that Fast Show sketch ‘Oh yah, we’re all Cockneys’?
What I learned from this video:
1) The Tories glorify the leadership and executive of their party as much as Labour. The phrase “cult of personality” comes to mind.
2) Too many contradictions to mention, but it implies that the Tories would glorify anything they do, just like Labour no matter how stupid the idea (eg: rent controls).
3) There is not a meaningful difference between Labour an the Conservatives. They are both authortarian statist parties. Public debate can include how the government can dictate the affairs of the people, but the option to be left alone isn’t on the table.
My skin is not pure white so I shall vote UKIP
Fair enough. But for those completely disenfranchised, I think the suggestion of the self-anointed “Top Boy” here bears some merit. Vote for local, Independent candidates.
It’s quite clear that the Conservatives cannot work out how to differentiate themselves from Labour because there is no difference, everything is dictated by Brussels.
The Conservatives have a small clique at the top who dictate policy- just like Labour.
Conservative MPs are greedy and corrupt – just like Labour.
The Conservatives won’t commit themselves to a vote on the EU- just like Labour.
The Conservatives will keep the NHS just as it is- just like Labour.
The Conservatives will preserve the BBC as it is- just like Labour.
The Conservatives are committed to spending billions on climate change and refuse to examine the science properly- just like Labour.
^The only possible progressive vote is for UKIP, otherwise post Cameron will be identical to what we have now.
I am with you on this, though not just UKIP.
Not quite identical, Moley. Taxes will be higher. As you say, UKIP are very much worthier than CMD’s Pink Tories.
What I like about it: The reverential, regal,amost etherial music when Maggie’s bit is on.
What I dislike: the pretense that Heath was anything but a coniving, lying shyster who fucked over the british public by pretending that entry to the “common market” was merely a trade agreement, when he knew, and subsequent release of documents shows, that it was far more than that. He sold out our fishermen and farmers, he sold out the public, just so that he could get his name in the history books.
Touchy feely Conservatism is starting to make me feel nauseous. There is a huge job to be done in halting the putrefaction that is gnawing away at this country after 12 years of marxist rule. That is going to req
Agreed 127
Heath sold out the Commonwealth countries (the real ones I mean – Australia, New Zealand, Canada).
How else would all those lovely golf courses have been built over useless grazing land?
Radio4 just said American stocks had fallen 6%! My charts don’t show that.Who are these nutters?
Probably wishful thinking on the part of an over-zealous teen socialist journo student on summer work experience at the Beeb thanks to his champagne socialist parents’ connections at Broadcasting House.
‘September Surprise’ – gone off half-cocked?
Isn’t America supposed to have a bank holiday next month? Guess they’ll ramp up the Swine Flu thing to cover the freezing of bank accounts. Mass innoculation to rid the useless eaters. Happy days.
It only costs 3 and half billion quid a year. Just see the quality that only extortion funded entertainment can produce.
One small detail in the interests of history; at approx 3′34″ some schoolchildren are playing, and yes it is an image of the plaground of The Convent of Our Lady Of Compassion, a school that closed in 1948 and became a boy’s Prep School, Crosby Hall. Now it’s a Morrisons Supermarket in Acocks Green on the Warwick Road into Birmingham.
Both were very much fee paying private schools, not free at all…and nor is Morrisons…I’ll get me coat…
Are you sure it was made by the Tories not a UKIP mole?
Best reason for voting UKIP I have seen
Nice one…………………………………………………..Nigel!
Tories = corruption
Labour = incompetence
New Labour = incompetence + corruption
LibDem = Make sense until you realise theres a mountain of a t*urd at the heart of their policy because they want us further in Europe, not less. Remove that and I’d be tempted, but theres too much shovelling needed now so they are out.
We are truly stuffed. Protest votes are all we have left.
I think George Galloway is the only sensible politician left, him and Muammer Gaddafi, not to mention George W Bush, but I guess he doesn’t count because he has retired. So lets not have an old Etonian at the top, but…wait for it…by popular demand Esther Rantzen!!! Loud and wild applause, celebrations, guns going off in the street, honking of many horns. I like it!
Why don’t you all join the Esther Rantzen as Dictator Movement. You get a free George Galloway mask with every membership card!
Thanks, but I think I’ll pass.
UKIP should offer to run this on their website!Memories of Heath always play well with the membership of both party’s
Conservatives’ sister party in Germany, Christian Democrats(CDU), got a bloody nose in state elections in Thuringia and Saarland yesterday, just three weeks before the general election. The far-left, ex-communists Die Linke party, made heavy gains. If it weren’t for Angela Merkel’s personal popularity the CDU would be scrapping it out with the SDP(Labour’s sister party) for most unwanted established party.
Across Europe people are sick of the old parties in this economic depression and are turning to the extremes, either Nationalists or hard-left Socialists
It’s either statist nationalists or socialists! Whatever happend to limited government, pro-liberty, pro-free market, fiscal conservatives?
Totally corrupted by Big Business and their professional lobbyists.
Radio4: Just a moment ago referred to American shares as having ’slumped’. Dow down 93 points,rightly reported this time.A slump? I’ve seen worse.It’s looking like more down to go so maybe a slump by 9pm.THEN it will be news,after it actually happens.
Lie-Bore Lying Shits
Tories Troughers Just Like Lie- bore
Lib Dems Troughers ,And A Waste Of Space
VOTE UKIP Once Out Of Europe We Can Start To Think About Politics Again !
N. Farrago – £2 million in exes in ten years.
Establishment stooge to divert the unwashed from a real alternative to the two party state.
UKIP if you want to, but I’d rather not.
Despite the groundswell, no anti-European union party can succeed. Too much business interest and political careers at risk. Pie and sky stuff. What we need is an active anti-European union bureaucracy stance. Who has that then…………..
Mr super quango Dave of the new social democrat party has plans for the quango parasite culture alright, he is going to expand them to record size and power, the smaller ones will will be hoovered up into giant ones and guess what will happen then?
Oooooh yes, Dave will have a field day inserting his own friends’N'family into the nonjob gravytrain parasite culture, its the only way to get his gang in on the feast of taxslave cash.
Anyone expecting modern Dave to be any different or enact Tory principles of economic management will be in for a shock, Dave is high tax, high spending, big government and a pro EU stooge.
The NHS will contiue to suck in vast wealth for diminishing care and very soon there will be more parasites on the NHS payroll than under new(slave)labour.
Dave will continue the practice of flooding the MOD with cash only for it to be wasted and foreign aid will continue to flow to the tinpot dictators of the world.
I am sure you are basking in the warm glow of the billion pounds given to India which freed up money to help its nuclear weapons industry and space programme, they not surprisingly still hate us like poison and the festering hatred continues to grow becasue of the Raj, but hey, we are rich and its not like we have poverty here is it?
I wonder how many islamist terrorists and foreign agitators and illegal immigrants and foreign criminals,rapists,gangsters,drug dealers and pimps trendy Dave will banish from the UK?
I wonder if he will remove the yuman rites laws from the statute book and terminate the race hustling EHCR anti British gravytrain?
The sad truth is that voting out newlabour just brings in bluelabour and Daves new caring sharing(with our taxes)social democrats.
You ramble out of your backside. The Indians do not “hate us like poison”; on the contrary. As for the rest of your ravings, how on earth do could you know all this? I suspect you’ve been on the piss all day.
Gosh, I always thought I was a hard right-winger until I read this!
WTF are you? Ghengis Khan’s badly beaten step-son?
Its all very well people keep saying vote UKIP at the election. Then we shall split the vote and give labour a chance of getting in again. Nightmare scenario. Can we really stand another five years of gordon and imploding Britain?!!
The tories are the only other party that have enough about them to form a government.
Let’s give them a chance for heavens sake before we start kicking them to bits like we are kicking labour.
And let’s remember UKIP MEP’s have done a fair bit of their own troughing at the european parliament.
the lisbon referendum in Ireland is around the corner and despite UKIP at least having the courage to try and stop it over there the Irish look like they will vote yes.
we will see what Mr Cameron is made of then, won’t we ?
NuLiebore are going to get slaughtered at the general election
it’s not even close
No-body thought maggie had much about her when she got elected the first time. Boy did she prove people wrong!
And whatever people are saying, Cameron doesn’t have gordon’s dark and disturbing personality. We need to lift this depressing shadow that gordon has cast over everything and the tories are the only one’s with the ability to do it.
Whether they will do it remains to be seen. But I suspect that Cameron may have rather more backbone than people are giving him credit for at the moment.
Nell are you Dave’s mum?
No I am…but I agree with Nell all the same
You’re biased.
174 Dack – thank the lord I never produced any politicians!!
Imagine being gordon’s mum?!!
This isn’t quite as I see it. I remember reading an article in 1979, when the situation in the country was pretty desperate, and thinking yes I agree with that, and then being suprised that it was written by this nobody Mrs Thatcher.
At the time Thatcher did outline what she was going to do, and how she was going to do it. I also believed that she could do it because she had achieved her position through work and merit, not through inherited privilege.
This is quite unlike the current NuTories who seem to believe in nothing other than getting elected. They are a complete policy and principle free zone and are only in post because of their expensive schooling and ancestry.
We would be better off hitting the rocks under the control of the Evil Nu Lab Bastards so that we can rid of the lot of them in the wreckage and start again under a decent new leader maybe of a new party.
The NuConservatives deserve to be destroyed because they have lost their own faith, are no longer true to themselves and are pretending in Blairite fashion that they are all things to all men.
This isn’t going to work in the end. There are going to be tears before bedtime.
I’m afraid i will vote for the nuclear option and fuck the lot of ‘em. Better to get the shit over with and then pick up the pieces afterwards. Reading MPs of all parties bleating that they have been hard done by is enough to make me realise that only a siesmic upheaval will really alter the slide into the abyss.
Do not go gentle into that good night,
Rage,rage against the dying of the light.
Professor Pedant we already have tears at bedtime in case you hadn’t noticed . What is gordon’s ‘government’ if not a playground full of quarrelling children???
We need change.
gordon and his cronies are like g*ps*es who arrive in the area, deposit loads of rubbish, fouling everything in sight, and then leave.
The Prof has a point, and I agree. The time of no return has been reached, and this needs ramming home before drastic change can be made. Best way to do this is a NuLab victory quickly followed by IMF, then an emergency election with some real alternatives. I’m optimistic (maybe naive) enough to believe a real leader would emerge. If not, then Gottandammerung.
If by some miracle Labour got in again and brought the country to its knees you forget about emergency elections or any other kind of election but you can well expect emergency powers, special measures, draconian laws, suspension of rights and curfews.
But Phil, whats the points of a new set of suits in Govt doing the same stuff? The end result will be the same. CmD is pastel blue at best, but clearly not a strong leader. He could achieve the double: half-arsed reforms, then gets all the blame and voted out in 5 years.
The Tories are traditionally very much more ruthless about changing ineffectual leaders than Labour are (as demonstrated by the pathetic challenge to Borwn’s leadership that never was). If Dave don’t cut the mustard he won’t last. Quite frankly, anyone will be better than Brown Nuliebore.
I don’t accept that Cameron will be the same.
Nell you are being naieve again – just face up to reality. Pensioner has a very valid point – it has all gone too far to hope that a bit of tinkering from Cameron and his chums will solve anything.
BBC 1 News does a big report on Dame Vera Lynn returning to the charts after all these years.
Yet fails to mention that Vera does not support Brown’s War in Afghanistan.
Because that would never do. The BBC must push the Party line that everything is super over there while pretending the public are not overwhelmingly against it.
Dame Vera Lynn also says no to nationalism after making her fortune as an icon for the nation – plus ca change.
She fucked off and abandoned us during the war, didn’t she? Or am i getting mixed up with our Gracie?
The sooner the BBC is privatised the better.
I bet the BBC hasn’t broadcast that the Americans are saying today that as things stand we are losing the war in Afghanistan and the only way forward is a massive increase in troop numbers and that we shall, in any case, be there for years.
I got a horrible sinking feeling when I read it – anybody remember Vietnam?
Top American Commander Mcrystal is basically conceding that the entire current strategy to date has been a gigantic failure. He just noticed did he ?
Someone should tell Jobsworth and Brown.
Yeah, I remember Vietnam. I remember the thousands of tons of bombs dropped on the civilian population; the napalm and the massacres. But above all I remember America’s ignoble forced departure in 1975, running shit scared like hell from Charlie’s invading hoards from the north. The embassy, the helicopter, the rats deserting the sinking ship. Looks like a re-run in Afghanistan to me.
According to the BBC, Darling says: the government would “spend whatever we can” to keep people in work.
That blinkered approach explains quite nicely why our economy is in so much trouble.
Got a problem? spend more money.
Spent too much money and got an unsustainable debt? simple; spend even more money.
Spent so much money that even the interest is no longer possible to pay back? solution; spend more money.
Reform? making the government leaner and not wasting money? bollocks to that. just spend more money.
They’re taking the light fittings and door knobs before the new owners move in.
There’s a slotty precedent.
I anticipate the Tory bulbs will be even dimmer.
But note he’s not stupid: ’spend what ever we CAN’ is what he said. ‘Spend whatever we HAVE TO’ is what the less attentive will hear. Spending whatever you can when you have no money means spending nothing… Clever, eh?
F*ck… all this time I thought there was no method in his madness and turns out the man’s a genius.
election year..they also will not have to pay it back. Simple approach reduce everyone to the lowest common denominator dependent on the state and under the thumb
“Government does not solve problems it subsidises them.”: Ronald Reagan (PBUH)
Run out of money to spend? No problem, print some more.
Need to get some money to help pay some of the interest on the debt?
simple; take it from the poorest people in the country who are dependant on housing benefit, but continue to spend billions on a fucking useless national ID database which has no rational use whatsoever and can only ever cause monumental damage when they lose the data.
General approach; buy a toilet seat for a hospital toilet via pfi for £500 that’d cost a tenner at B&Q, and then get that £500 from your mate down the road who’s just been made redundant because you’ve fucked up the economy. It’s the labour way.
“Spend whatever we can” – that would equate with zero, so thats OK.
The trouble is, this cock-eyed approach may well work at the polls with a scared public terrified of more job losses. Talk about a paradox!
I note that annual military extravaganza the Edinburgh Tattoo is just being shown on Pravda. As I do I remember back to 1997 and the first of many acts of wanton vandalism perpetrated by this evil bunch of twats in government was to end the world renowned Royal Tournament. Apparently they did not have the money for it.
Funny that as the Edinburgh tattoo continued unaffected.
Cnuts!!
Say what you like about Ted Heath but the three day week was certainly a tonic. Made you realise what life could be like if the boss went and fucked himself.
Maybe those good old days will be making a comeback.
real unemployment’s much higher now than it was back then, public debt back then was a tiny pinprick compared to the humungous eye-gouging amount we’ve now got, they’ve nationalised in all-but-name the entire banking system and also a major part of the rail system, tax on high-earners has now rocketed in a bid to get the envy vote but which won’t pull in any real money, entrepreneurs are leaving the country in droves, pensions are worth fuck all because they’ve been plundered by the government and the stock market died, private companies are in so much shit that a lot of them are already on 3-day-weeks and asking people to take wage cuts just to survive.
“Maybe those good old days will be making a comeback.”
we’re already there mate.
Somehow they don’t feel so good this time.
Looking forward to the power cuts? No, me neither.
Well I remember studying for my O levels by candlelight (and NO I am not a fucking octogenarian).
It was the absurd wage demands by the miners, reimbursed by Labour, which kicked off the horrendous inflation which in turn required yet further demands which led to the strikes which caused the power cuts. When Thatcher came to power she made damn sure that the power stations had months of coal stockpiled before she took the confrontation to Scargill. It wasn’t about pay and conditions – it was about who ran the country.
When more than a decade before, Tony Benn as secretary of state for industry, closed more pits than Thatcher ever did, Scargill said absolutely nowt.
Phil, you must be the same age as me – I was just remembering those moments.
If I am then you must have retired early.
One of the benefits of free-enterprise and entrepreneurism. Retired at 45.
Same here, Pensioner. Nearly, anyway. Aged 46 in my case (thanks to Belize’s Qualified Retirement Program). This frees up loads of time which enables me to sit here all day slagging off CMD, Broon and Clegg! I don’t think of myself as a pensioner, though. Connotations of old age and whatnot whereas I’m actually fitter now than when I was 20!
I thought this video was going to be truly pathetic but actually I thought it was quite good, that is until it gets to the end and Call me Dave turns up, with his Blairite meaningless mantra of Vote for Change.
What a Wally (Is that how you spell Wally btw, but what a true Berkshire Hunt)
What a mess. I’d vote for the SNP if I could because at least they seem to know what they stand for.
I suppose the only alternative left is UKIP. If the BNP dropped their stupid racism we could vote for them, but The Useless NuTory Boys never !
Anybody seen gordon about since he went to Afghanistan? Did he come back.?
What did he achieve by going other than making himself look an absolute twit by putting himself side by side an army of men and women who live by the tenets of loyalty, integrity and bravery. I wonder if this will be the title of his next book which he no doubt began writing on the flight home.
Here y’are Nell – Gorders in Afghanistan and BBC bias in one hit.
http://www.biased-bbc.blogspot.com/
Thanks.
I thought this video was going to be truly pathetic but actually I thought it was quite good, that is until Call me Dave turns up, with his Blairite meaningless mantra of Vote for Change.
What a Wally (Is that how you spell Wally btw, anyhow what a true Berk)
I’d vote for the SNP if I could because at least they seem to know what they stand for. I suppose the only real alternative is UKIP, but The Useless NuTories forget it.
What a mess !
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‘Vote for change’ got Obama elected…. Change to what, you might ask, but as the principle opposition the trick is not to say until the last minute. I’m ok with that.
Your dead right. You can spout about all kinds of great policies when in opposition but you have to be in government to be able to put them into practice (if the government haven’t already pinched them). Cameron is doing exactly what he should be doing, getting elected with the biggest fucking majority he can.
Hopefully within the 1st year he will have axed the wicked telly tax ;-)
What a total whitewash ( if one can use such a phrase in these PC times).
If the Modcons really believe that entry into the EU and endorsement of political intervention in natural climate change are to regarded as Conservative triumphs, then they fully deserve a hung Parliament.
Perhaps we need is a Hanging Parliament rather than a hung one.
Two British soldiers from The Black Watch, 3rd Battalion The Royal Regiment of Scotland, have been killed in Afghanistan.
McDoom was only there yesterday !
McDoom was there on Saturday probably meaning active operations were cancelled
Cameron ain’t no Tory, Cameron ain’t no answer,
Alas that twat Gordon Brown has allowed Blair’s heir to pick up his inheritance.
You’re right but are the electorate so stupid they would vote for another vacuous regular kinda bufoon again.
Yeah I think they would too, after 12 years of dumb teaching they’ve got so many Triple A stars they’re too stupid to think for themselves.
In which case they deserve all that they’ve got coming to them.
Stop panicking, folks!
We know that Nulab are desperate for any news that deflects attention from the economy, Brown blunders, etc etc. Anything substantive published by the Tories (like a policy) will be siezed upon and torn assunder by the Nulab spin attack dogs, and as much negative milage extracted from it as possible (c.f. Dan Hannan and the NHS attack-that-wasn’t last week).
So the Tories are not going to give Nulab any ammunition. Anything they do publish will be anodyne and cuddly, and completely incapable of being spun as “Tories will eat your newborn”.
It’s phoney war time. We’re not going to hear anything substantial until the election is called, and possibly not too much then. Dave will wait until he is safely esconsed in Number 10 before the full programme is announced.
Well said.
But what does it say about labour that it is spending it’s time trying to attack non-tory news, believing this will win them votes , when it should be spending its time ‘governing’.
It’s an aspect of politics I desperately want to see the back of. I’d much rather have Dan Hannan and Frank Field debating the nation’s problems and possible solutions. So would most people, I think.
Precisly! And remember that it’s still the silly season. I’m looking forward to some proper politics in the autumn. Also, slightly O/T, I shall be driving at reduced speed from tomorrow to economise on petrol but I promise to stay in the slow lane so I don’t annoy any of you. Ho ho.
Sorry, but I dont’t believe we are ever going to hear anything substantial because Cameron is not a substantial person.
He truly is, what he thinks he is, ‘the Heir to Blair’
If he had anything substantial about him it would have leaked out by now. Sorry to be depressing but he truly is useless.
I see little point in voting another vacuous buffoon into power.
Ah I see now ‘the heir to blair’ is gordon’s ( well Mandy’s and whelans to be truthful) latest smear policy.
Yes good . good – keep it up .
Most of us know it’s rubbish.
May be wrong but I thought the reference originated from Cameron?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article574814.ece
Indeed you are not wrong, CMD did declare himself “the heir to Bliar” and very proud of that he was too.
Camerons Tories will be ZaNuLab mk2, if you imagine otherwise, you will only be fooling yourself.
I always said the man was a Blair clone; a coiffured, neutered ponce. Totally ball-less. He certainly won’t be getting my vote and I won’t be calling him “Dave” either.
Yes. It’s like asking me, if I was up to my neck in poo and someone threw a bucket of sick at me, would I duck my head?
Now on about the minimum wage. Of course a Union ploy to protect their own membership’s wage levels from unskilled replacement.
Nights are drawing in.
Fucking quick too….I thought I was good for 30 min in the garden at 8.15 but it is now pitches blackess…I blame gordon. Not forgetting the twat is slapping 10p a gallon tax on petrol at midnight…fucking twat.
Gordon created the sine wave effect that causes the nights to draw in faster as we go into September. Is there nothing he will stop at.
if you don’t pay your Global Warming taxes I’ll put the clocks back three hours.
fucking Twat…..Why couldn’t the fucking twat go off on a tangent?
He looks better in the dark.
More like “Tories: We’ve Been A Bunch Of Cnuts For Centuries”
‘Progressive’ is the biggest bullshit term in use in politics today. For ‘progressive’ read ‘right on’, ‘metropolitan trendy’ and such like. It’s a self regarding, worthless moniker applied to themselves by Guardian readers and tree-hugging wankers.
So why the hell are the Tories latching on to this? It’s as if Tory party HQ are permanently 3-4 years behind sentiment in the country. So much for ‘Call me Dave’ and his coterie of public school pussy boys with a guilt complex. Bring on the hard men and women from the backwoods with common sense. I never thought I’d look back with fondness on the likes of Norman Tebbitt and Nicolas Ridley.
After the corrupt shambles of NuLab we want an end to all this ‘progressive’ shit, after all look at the mess it’s caused. We want proper educational standards in schools, not the ‘progressive’ Bantu education currently being served up. We need real jobs for ordinary men and women not overpaid sinecures for NuLab placemen in the overblown public sector quangocracy. We need proper border controls and the swift deportation of illegal immigrants. We need sound money and proper control of the Nation’s finances and the banking system.
Fuck ‘progressive’.
Totally agree.
In 1979 Mrs Thatcher did outline what she was going to do, and how she was going to do it. I also believed that she could do what she said because she had achieved her position through work and merit, not through inherited privilege.
This is quite unlike the current NuTories who seem to believe in nothing other than getting elected. They are a policy and principle free zone and are only in post because of their expensive schooling and ancestry.
We would be better off hitting the rocks under the control of the Evil Nu Lab Bastards so that we can rid of the lot of them in the wreckage and start again under a decent new leader maybe of a new party.
The NuConservatives deserve to be destroyed because they have lost their own faith, are no longer true to themselves and are pretending in Blairite fashion that they are all things to all men with assinine slogans like ‘Vote for Change’.
This isn’t going to work in the end. There are going to be tears before bedtime.
Oh don’t be silly Professor Pedant – another five years of labour – where will Britain be then? Hmmmm?!!!!
New Broom and all that —-
gordon is consigned to writing his next failed book in 2010 – sorry but I think this man is going to come to a sad end along with mandy, balls, TWatson , kevan,Whln, aintbustinagut, and a few others who are currently engaged in posting rubbish on here.
I do hope so Nell, that they come to a sad end that is, but I desperately want Cameron to say something Conservative, like he will restore educational standards, that he believes in sound money, that he believes in personal freedom, that he will attack mindless waste, that he will ensure that the media is not suffocated by the BBC etc etc.
I know he can’t be too specific because he’s wants to get in power to be able to do anything but if he isn’t straight with the electorate there isn’t much point in having the power. He is in danger of seeming to stand for nothing in which case McDoom will be right to point this out.
It seems I am not alone in losing patience with Dave, and worse becoming really suspicious that he is actually a totally empty vessel. In which case I would rather see the Evil Nu Labour stumble on like Jim Callaghan did until the refuse piles up in the streets and the dead lie unburied because it seems only then does the UK populace wake up to the fact that the Guardian/BBC view of the world doesn’t actually work, and are then prepared to face reality.
No Professor Pedant it won’t do.
Rubbish building up on the streets might be acceptable .
But losing the lives of young men and women in Afghanistan who should be on the thresh-hold of life – who are giving their all for gordon who can’t even bother himself to equip them proplerly, is not acceptable.
I totally agree and think the war in Afganistan is wrong and unwinnable, but the problem is that we are not hearing anything of the sort from Cameron who seems to take exactly the same position on the war as Brown.
This is the point, the NuTories are currently a useless Opposition. I want them to take positions on things that matter. To let us know what they believe in, rather than talking about Progressive Change whatever that means.
Progressive is older than you think. G K Chesterton was pouring scorn on its use by the political left in 1905.
eh up lads , in case you didnt see it my medical update lads , i know its the news of the world but it was the market rate .
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sport/479809/Freddie-Flintoff-exclusive-interview-Andrew-Flintoff-interview.html
Hi Freddie – Hope you’re OK.
C’mon Freddie we need you to comment on some of these detractors on here at the moment, even if you’re in their favour. We need a view.
im ok lass will be working hard to try and get back , on the topic is dave the answer ? if its him or brown i am willing to give him a chance as soon as he lies or spins then he will lose my trust
Hi Fred.
Just read the article – sounds like an awful lot of not much fun. Suppose you have to look on the bright side and say that not many years ago, the medical advice would have been “nothing we can do, sorry old chap, you’ll never play again”.
Good luck with the rehab.
lad am going to do me best , at least i get to see the kids , i shouldnt say this but i didnt go to a nhs hospital it was private , it will be one last go lad
[...] Guido is not impressed by the latest CCHQ video [...]
I have cack caked up my back
A question to all the labour trolls on here tonight.
What is gordon going to do about the Afghan War?
Do you want him to withdraw them and bring all our men home?
Do you want him to re-equip them and put more men out there with them to help them ‘win the war’? Do you think they can??!! or is this our Vietnam??!!
Do you just want want to leave the men that are out there and hope they can survive?
What do you want you labour trolls??!!! Go on tell us — we’re listening!!!!
gordons talking to the taliban lass but back the troops real heros
More like hearing voices in his head Freddie – the man’s a fruitcake.
Sorry but I think Afghanistan is becoming our Vietnam and gordon is leading us into the wilderness.
Nell,
See my take on Afghanistan here.
I want to see our lads out – I’ve got friends due to go there in the next couple of weeks, and have no wish to see them come back in body bags.
I also want to see us fight the Islamists that are over here, and exile a few hundred of them back to Pakistan where they belong, or a few thousand if necessary.
I see that the top NATO generals have told the American government that we can’t win as things stand at the moment.
The American government has to make it’s mind up what it is trying to achieve in Afghanistan, and then the rest of the governments (including ours) can decide if they believe that the American aims are justified and achievable.
If no, bring the lads home.
If yes, then work out how to achieve the aims, how many men and what kit is needed. Then tell the lads what is required, and let them get on with it.
It’s wrong to have our lads out there not sure what they are supposed to achieve. Give them leadership or bring them home, Gordon.
Labour trolls seem a bit thin on the ground these days. I think the reality of their situation has started to sink in. In ten months time they are going to get an electoral shellacking.
Good old Vera Lynn.
Contessa what is your view of the afghan war?? – should we stay and fight? Or should we leave ?
Uncomfortable question I know.
But we should all address it since we are asking our young men and women to be there facing death at a time in their young lives when they should actually be thinking about disco’s and dance partners and fun!!!
Nell,it would serve well to remind yourelf that these hoons always ask (banks & adair turner,ruths papa) what is the social value of these troops?
Answer;The armed forces dont vote labour,they are not commited to a socialist state,they obey orders but are free thinkers,they have seen and dislike islamic states(not multi-culturalists)They are loyal to the Crown,They are not unionised etc……. …….. methinks very few of our Socialist illuminati lose any sleep over good honest servants getting in harms way.
nell, don’t you think there are enough young people on our streets getting pissed as it is FFS?
What are you saying maffin?? – that instead of being on the streets our young people they are better off in Afghanistan getting blown to hell??!!!
I accept that UKIP or BandP might put that view but I can’t agree with it.
It’s character building nell. Cest la guerre.
Interesting you should ask Nell. My opinions on war are rather different from most on this blog. I detest war. I am totally against the war v Afghanistan. As far as I am concerned there is absolutely no excuse good enough for us to be fighting there. I was diametrically against the war v Iraq, and did everything within my power to stop it. I feel differently from you about ‘our boys’ as you call them. You talk of trained professional soldiers whose modus vivendi is fighting in wars, they are trained killers. They work for the government, and if push came to shove would kill you or I if we seriously threatened the government. I know this is so don’t feel sentimental about professional soldiers. On the other hand, when governments send soldiers to war it is foolish and cruel not to equip them to their best advantage. I am sad when soldiers die, or are wounded (what a waste of a life), and I feel excessively sad when innocent civilians die or are wounded. Our deaths are no more important than their deaths. War is a failed argument, and I hate it. I have felt the same ever since I was a child. A conscript war is usually a different problem. So now you know! I await the brick bats!
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You confuse the government with the realm.
No brickbat contessa. I respect your view – even though I don’t quite agree with it. :)
Ditto.
I take the view that our occasional need to settle our differences by conflict is an unfortunate part of the human condition, but regrettably almost unavoidable. Better by far to jaw, jaw, jaw than to war, war, war; but when you have to, you have to.
PoP 341, Realm, REALM, What sort of a kingdom are you talking about?
Nell your a tory troll end off and the desperation to keep your party from imploding like Labour is reeking from you so obviously.
Stop trying to belittle people into voting how you want them to.
eh up lad , see this shotgun ? its going up your arse and there is a live ammo unlike ouretroops get in training
Sorry Freddie. My comment referred to 269’s entry. No reflection on your goodself and your shotgun and its direction etc.
Your entry is perfectly clear in its meaning !
Sorry to be pedantic, but is this English ? If so what does it mean ?
It’s blogging prof, but not as we know it.
I’m new here. There’s a lot to learn !
Hello TWatson/WHlan . Everyone votes how they think fit – Everyone has a right to their point of view .
What are you, as a labour troll, trying to say, that I don’t have a right to mine??!!
What’s your view, watcher, of the Afghan war. Should be be there???
C’mon let’s here labour express a view !!! Why are our young men and women dying in Afghanistan????
A policy statement, about now, would be good!!!
I’m not a labour troll, actually i’m an old time reader of this blog and it’s as plain as day what your trying to do.
Is this the ”NU TORY” way of thinking, any dissent and argument must be the evil loony lefties?? Cut from the same cloth as labour now are we??
Deluded as labour now, useless party now full of useless cronies like you Nell.
The tide will soon turn on you as it has on Labour because you have no real answers to the problems either.
eh up lad i am not a tory or labour troll and show some manners to nell
She may well be, but does she need a game keeper?
Guido, we know you invented nell and freddie just to get on our nerves, but have a heart man, enough is enough and it’s not funny anymore.
ok lad will post under anon from now on
Don’t be bullied by trolls, Fred. You are as much entitled to express your thoughts as anybody else.
You know it makes sense lad, but we’ll still know it’s you if shotguns and arses are involved, so best to piss off for good a?
werthers lad everyone has view this aint china now get in the nets
How do you know it isn’t China?
Freddie don’t you dare – just be you. Never mind him………..
Werther’s original – This is Guido’s gig. If he doesn’t like they way people post, he’ll make it known to them. If you don’t like the way people post, piss off somewhere else.
Who rattled your cage you ghastly little man?
You.
305 werther’s – the only ghastly little man on here is you damian. Scuttle back into your hole…….
Just form an orderly queue, and I’ll give you all a good kicking……innit.
You and who’s army?
You sound like a cad and a bounder sirrah, and if you were within my reach I’d give you a good biffing you beastly little man.
Pillock.
Go back to playing with your Meccano set grandad, you’re obviously not suited to this blogging lark.
Better suited than you, it seems.
P.S. I’m not old enough to be a grandad.
I mean your mental age cretin, you’re obviously fucking senile and in the latter stages of dementia.
Projecting, now.
Engineer, shut the fuck up, there’s a good fella. There’s a pot noodle with your name on it in the larder, and you haven’t had your bi monthly wank yet, which is all you can manage these days, so give yourself a treat.
I never thought of that. The whole blog being created by Guido, master of a thousand identities.
A bit like life being something going on inside your head, rather than a lot of real people doing really stupid real things.
At this rate I could come to terms with Gorgon and Call-me-Dave, maybe they’re just figments of Guido’s imagination.
Must stop now, time for Medicine.
Guido invented me and freddie??!! You are Twits.
Did he also invent Engineer and NewGirl and all the other people who post on here regularly ??!! I don’t think so.!!!!.
TWatson/WHln/etc you are idiots.
As for me being a tory troll – Forget it!!
I might support tories because labour’s a dead loss but I was never a member of any party.
Anyone who reads my comments knows I am not a team player!!!!
What I am not is a supporter of a labour government who thinks it can spend spend spend. And then , when the money runs out , print more.
Gordon is a loon – he will never win any election anywhere.
You keep smearing and spinning.
Nell,
You have no need to explain, or justify yourself to anyone, let alone them.
Just ignore them, they will get fed up and go away eventually.
unless we are prepared to use the nuke we should keep well out
just think of the border anti-terrorism force we could have for the money wazzed up thw wall in Afghanistan
Best to put that border force around the tribal areas of Afghanistan/Pakistan where the Taliban operate and quarantine it.
My money would be on Cameron renaming the party at the conference to Progressive Conservatives.
A sort of final Clause 4 decontamination moment.
Just speculating ….
The real clause 4 moment would be to drop the unionist bit in the party name, and encourage the SNP to push for independence. This progressive crap is really depressing – surely they must realise that they do not need to appeal to guardian-reading metropolitan socialists to win an election. The scariest thought is that Dave might even believe a word of it.
Dunno about that but I see “progressive conservatism” being repeated ad nauseum and replacing that awful term “compassionate conservatism”.
I like the fact that the tories claiming the word progressive as their own is getting right up Mandleson’s nose.
One too many “ive”s.
I might be tempted to vote for ‘The Progressionals’.
But certainly not for Dave Cameron and his cronies.
The Tory Party has been destroyed – by itself!
How abart the ‘NuCon Progressives’ ?
Consensus over prig?
lads our goverment is fucked on power we need someone to clear up the shit left by new labour
There’s nothing left, no trade or oil, bank deals nothing, the country is fucked forever no matter who gets into power.
The sooner people wake up and realise we’ve gone past the point of no return the better.
You’ve forgotten to take your antidepressants again, I see.
On the upside, if you always expect the worst you can be pleasantly surprised on occasion. Works for me.
Agreed.
The other thing we need is to get the smearing and spin out of politics. It totally destroys proper debate.
I’d love to hear (say) William Hague, Frank Field and Ming Campbell debating the nations problems. Decent people of different political colour, but with respect for each other – now that would be the sort of politics I could respect. There are decent people about from all the major – an smaller – parties, and independents (like Dr. Richard Taylor, the Wyre Forest MP) with interesting things to say and good ideas.
dont forget kate hoey
Labour, always the politics of envy, making supposedly, every body equal!
I came from an extremely poor background, schooling in the sixties and early seventies. I rceived free school meals, free uniform and free transport. I received fantastic education and made the most of it within my capabilities, and as did very many of my poor friends too. I prosperoured under the tories, when it really paid to work hard and you were rewarded accordingly.
I always remember my early work years of the unions trying to destroy every industry they set foot in, in particular Ford’s at Dagenham. Don’t let any one ever convince you that it was Thatcher that destroyed British Industry. The unions had already done that well before she came along.
Because of my experiences , I can understand the tories desire for being called progressives!
The Blair Campbell Brown years have been an absolute disaster for this country. It has all been a lie, all about complete spin and absolute power. We have achieved nothing or been managing our own decline and I believe who ever wins next year, the UK will continue to decline, we make and have nothing. Most countries can do things faster and cheaper than we can. We have become arrogant and lazy, famous for rewarding failures. Controlled by full time politicians who have never had a revenue earning job in their lives in keeping with about one third of the jobs in the country.
I will vote for cameron this time but I’m in no mood for him to be blair2. We need serious major constitutional change and reward for hard work and no fucking spin; if not he wont last long, but as for the left, you blew your chance big time as you did before when the IMF was called in. All they know is how to SPEND, that’s it nothing else after the money runs out and after they have borrowed again to the point of bankruptcy!
Agree wholeheartedly with almost all of that. The only minor difference I have is that we do stil have some parts of industry that hold their own or lead the world. Unfortunately, they don’t get much publicity, and suffer government indifference.
This country can work itself into a position where it can hold it’s head up proudly again, put it’s going to take a long time and a lot of hard work.
Oddly enough, there’s still a viable City, as long as we can get Red Adair out before he destroys what’s left of it. Insurance and the law are doing fine, and the commodities markets are still generating revenues, but we keep getting tarred with the same brush as the investment bankers (who by the way have been given no public money at all) because it is too embarrassing for politicians to admit that the real problems were caused by their chums in the clearing banks skiing off piste, and they prefer to make scapegoats of the only people who are keeping the economy afloat.
Equally oddly, we still have a manufacuring sector as well, albeit badly squeezed by the downturn. It badly needs TLC, but given time, encouragement for R&D, and support for training, it will grow again.
The seeds of a recovery are there; whether they are allowed to germinate rather depends on getting rid of the current bunch of incompetents from government.
twaddle. the seeds of destruction of industry in UK were sown decades ago thanks to the twats like above in the moneychangers’ capitol. If Augeas twat is so confident the moneychangers and their associated scammers in the FIRE sector and hired-liar lawyers are such a force for economic bounty then how is it Benny Bernanke won’t let US citizens see who got the trillions paid over to the moneychangers and what the taxpayer got back in return by way of worthless toxic ‘assets’. At least in the US the public is half conscious to having being looted for trillions by the banksters and their frontman shills but in moneychanger capitol UK the sheep are fast asleep lulled by tales by pricks like Augeas Arsehole.
You’re wrong. If you want proof, look up Kellysearch.co.uk, and you’ll find thousands of manufacturing businesses, some one-man-and-a-dog outfits, some substantial enterprises. They are leaner and far more productive than the out-dated, over-manned monoliths of the seventies, kept alive only with huge dollops of public money, and grossly inferior to overseas competition on price, quality, customer service and delivery times.
You don’t hear much about them, maybe because manufacturing rarely enters the trendy world of “the media”, but they’re there.
Yawn…………
Send them one of your prized kosher pizzas to celebrate about 100 years of sucking up to the foreskinless…………..
1938: Chamberlain shat over Czechoslovakia
1940-45: Churchill was on the piss (big style)
1956: Eden had a mental breakdown over Suez
1957-1963; Macmillan’s wife was being fucked by Lord Boothby (who was also fucking Ronnie Kray)
1970-74: Heath was gagging for cock (big style)
1990: Thatcher was bonkers
1991: Thatcher was on the piss (cf. Churchill 1940-45)
1992-97 Major was well lame (and shagging Currie)
1997-2001: Hague was shit
2001-03: IDS was even shitter
2005- present: David Cameron loves puppies and kittens
Yeah, thanks for the info Gordon, you’ve got my vote.
And coke.
2 more of our boys lost today…..
+++SAD+++
Still poorly equipped, still no exit strategy and now america saying we are losing the war, that we need thousands more men, and we will be there for decades.
This is going to be our Vietnam unless someone takes some positive action. That someone is not going to be gordon is it??!!
G’night God Bless.
No, it won’t be the cowardly gorgon Nell.
I feel so sorry for the families.
G’night nell.
how poorly equipped? What short of main battle tanks for any excursion would constitute being well equipped? Even MBTs can be blown up – see Iraq invasion.
Are you suggesting the invading British and Americans interact with the Taliban aka Afghanis and Pashtuns soley from 3 mile high dropped bombs or UAV drones?
Whay say you Nell, one British soldier’s life is worth ten thousand terrorists aka Afghanis’? Ergo, just incinerate the whole country with thermonuclear devices and have done? Surely that’s the logical conclusion of your sickening commentaries on Afghan events. Only snag, where would the dope peddlers get their smack, which is what the war’s being fought for.
I agree with most of that. Remember, our boys kill their boys. We are fighting in somebody elses country, invading somebody elses’ country. I would take to arms if another country invaded my country. But we are so righteous, we think that our ’so-called’ democracy should be transported around the world. Who the hell do we think we are? I don’t think we are in Afghanistan just for the drugs.
Could someone reupload the vid with traitor Heath edited out please?
Another Labour failure, and one that really annoys me is their total failure in the past and their refusal now to do anything about the shortfall in electricity generation.
If we had put the Country in charge of most sixth forms, they couldn’t have done worse.
Ten years lost, now too late.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/6118113/Britain-facing-blackouts-for-first-time-since-1970s.html
“Blackouts could affect 16 million homes”.
What is the Conservative policy to address this problem?
we had power cuts a few weeks ago for 2-3 hours at weekends its closer than you think
You can claim £50 compensation if you are cut off for more than 18 hours (unless caused by an ‘Act of God’)
The technical solutions to the problem exist – high-efficiency modern coal-fired power stations. Could be designed and built in about four to five years. Meanwhile, get on with designing and building the next generation of nuclear stations. Build some ‘renewable’ ones as well, if you like, but don’t expect them to contribute a significant proportion of the total supply requirement.
The entire problem is due to political inertia.
Don’t know what the Conservative policy is, but they are probably keeping quiet to avoid handing Labour a smear/spin opportunity.
What have the Bliar/Brown duumvirate been doing about this issue over the last 12 years ??
Absolutely nothing, it seems, aside from ( in Bliar’s case ) lining their own very deep pockets.
Remember the Sun joking about the prospect of Neil Kinnockio being elected in 1992 by asking the last person in the Country to switch the light out ?
Bliar and Brown have turned a joke into a nightmare.
Suddenly discovering next year that Global warming is just Hot Air and an excuse to chisel more tax out of peoples’ pockets- something which we have all known for years.
The Times Online is showing Dow Jones and S&P 500 down 99%.
Hope its a mistake.
If it isn’t there’s trouble at t’mill.
It’s pissing with rain as well.
my tax adviser says next i willlose a extra 10% of my earnings
There’s no easy answer, either. There comes a point when high earners move their tax affairs offshore, or worse, take their whole business overseas. Then nobody in Britain benefits.
One thing this gang of goons forget is that if people are allowed to keep more of their income, they have greater spending power, so pay more in indirect taxes (such as VAT). Also, if they are spending in this country, it keeps businesses going, so keeps more people in employment.
High tax rates stifle the economy.
so how much of John Terre’s 8 million will be paid in tax on shore?
Mr Alex Hilton the well known blogger may have a little problem according to the Gulf Times
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=311913&version=1&template_id=38&parent_id=20
This super super video just confirms how simply simply marvellous Dave is. He is so amusing at my lovely lovely dinner parties and he has protected my whole family from those beastly beastly Tory types who have been so frightfully frightfully nasty about all my expenses. I am not paying a penny back, and nor is Andrew, and Dave has promised us both super super new jobs when he is Leader Of The Nation. This video underlines his true historical destiny and confirms my own place in history as one of the greatest politicians of our time. Keep up the good work Dave, I`m behind you all the way just as I know you are behind me all the way, you lovely lovely man.
what a nasty nasty woman and a silly silly bitch you are Kirkbride.
The real issue appears to be that David Cameron is just not up to the job (despite the support of such political giants as Julie Kirkbride!) of creating the necessary new political ethos to take Britain forward and escape from the squalor of the Labour years.
this clever video surely helps.
THE TORIES HAVE NOT WON YET!
How much closer does this video bring them?
Give them some credit for trying. Cameron and Osbourne are trying to the best of their abilities. Confrence will love all this.
OK 30 seconds where’s the Semtex, Wankers Live in your Estonian Bubble
Broon says worst is over and it was down to labour , Shanghi stock market has biggest fall this year and Dow gets a cold !
The ruin has spoken .
Guido is it true that before comming an MP ed balls as journalist for a mag titled Marxism today !! LOL cabinet is all marxist nutters .
note to Tory bear if you cant do the science dont dis the theory , hint startospheric aerosol from high altitude airflight , wadda you think happens to airline fuel when you burn it , does it just turn into fluffy clouds or are ther combustion by products that stay high up for some time ?? just trying to save you from the wrath of swampy opps youve already posted .
and we have a debt of anywhere between 800 billion to a trillion. Thats before all the ‘hiddens’ are factored in.
Worst yet to come me thinks.
Yes, uncanny how several media outlets today ran with stories of collapsing markets. It’s almost as if they had a script to read from but jumped the gun. That reminds me:
Jane Standley, BBC News 24, announces collapse of WTC7 25 mins. before collapse.
The cat’s out of the bag boys; the bastards are so arrogant they’re laughing openly at what they’re about to do.
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Oh dear, the curse of the One-Eyed Son of the Manse has struck again.
Fresh from Gordon’s speech at Nissan’s Sunderland works and praise for their £200m inward investment into battery technology, Nissan have announced that they intend to shift production over to India of its Micra range.
Since gordon visited our troops in helmand this weekend three more have lost their lives fighting his pointless war for him.
And what has Cameron got to say? Well he agrees with gordon that we should be fighting a pointless war in a far away land, that’s what dave says.
So, vote for the Esther Rantzen for Dictator Movement and get your free George Galloway mask – you know it makes sense! A pointless war indeed and we are losing our boys, we need real democracy, not this two party tango
If we had real democracy, Katie Price would be Prime Minister. I suggest the decline has been caused by NuLab debauching the institutions that kept Governments relatively competent, honest and accountable: the Cabinet, Parliament, the Civil Service and the media. Blair nobbled all of these and introduced personal rule via political advisors (unelected PPE graduates) and spin-doctors. He by-passed the traditional party supporters by tapping the wealthy for funds in exchange for political favours. Brown has continued the system, but with far less competence.
We need a Thatcher or an Atlee: somebody of integrity.
You mean Mark?
+++++++++++++++++BREAKING BBC NEWS FLASH++++++++++++++++++
THE RECESSION IS OVER
Brown is back at his desk to-day and has hit the ground running(????)and he will take the fight to the Tories The recession is over and the UK economy is on the up say ecstatic BBC journos and its all thanks to Gordon Brown and Labour taking the “right” decisions- Hallelujah ! Rejoice at that news people !!! It is now up to Cameron and the Tories to be straight with the British Public about their tax increases which will hit hard-working British families the most and their proposed savage spending cuts compared to the targetted tax rises and sensible reductions in spending that Labour would make. The election campaign starts……………………………expect a “barnstormin’” conference speech from Brown…!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
P.S.
Keep October 15th free?????????????????
That’s odd sky News has just told me that it’s call going to get worser and worser as Gordon slaps the taxes on, rampant inflation and soaring interest rates.
Dropped a Gordon – graffiti seen in British Army latrine, Helmand Province.
what no ‘fizzing with ideas’ ????
More likely a shit-flavoured luxury bath melt for that fizzing cesspit experience.
I, for one, don’t want to go back to ‘business as usual’ – I want to see places like Guantanamo filled with the likes of Bliar, Brown, Faulkner, Scarlett, Bush(es), Clintons, GORE (yes, Gore), M Strong, banksters, Straw – you know, ALL the usual suspects. They should be filmed 24/7 like Big Brother and only provided with a minimum budget to feed/clothe themselves. They could be guarded by the very mercenaries so beloved of this kind of ‘demockery’ as like the “politicians” and main players, mercenaries, it appears, will follow any order for MONEY.
I want to see REAL change for the benefit of all of ‘we the people’ and not just for those who still operate purely from the ego in their ‘Metopia’ as opposed to what should be Utopia for us all…
well said. On the other hand I’d just lynch the lot of them. Saves money and is the traditional manner for disposing of scum promptly.
Yes oh yes SS,…….. orange boiler suits, manacled hands and feet, a taste of water boarding (which, as you know isn’t torture), exposure to scorching heat, several kicks in the groin, lawyers not allowed, snarling alsatians, medical injections ( for research), etc etc,. Nothing would be too good for them, the prisoners. Then throw away the key. Lovely jubbly!
Conservatives are still colonialists, and have always been war mongers.
David Cameron is barking up the wrong tree in fighting the government over the Megrahi controversy. Why the hell doesn’t he stick to the peoples’ present problems?
Man on radio 4 blabbing on about our wonderful defence industry. We should be so proud….. I don’t think!
Of Course Dave is barking up the wrong tree. The Government is there to look after national interests and if that means handing a dying terrorist back in exchange for lucrative oil contracts so be it. What the government have done wrong is to lie and spin and that is NOT in the national interest.
If Dave is saying he would not do deals to protect the UKs energy sources then he can fuck off and take up knitting as a career.
Conservatives are still colonialists, and have always been war mongers.
Proof please.
Labour involved in 5 wars since coming to power?
Yes you’re right, newlabour have been warmongers too (mainly under the tutelage of that failed little squirt blair)
402, 100% agree with you.
“growth” as a result of fiscal stimulus is very different from “growth” as a result of genuine economic activity
Brown is too fucking stupid and emotionally retarded to be able to separate party politics, national interests and personal ambition in his shit filled brain.
Unfortunately it is the Great British Public that is too fucking thick to realise that ‘growth’ is not the same as ‘fiscal stimulus’. Because if they weren’t so fucking thick they’d have realised back in 2001 when Brown started running defecits of 30bn quid a year in the ‘good times’ ie 3% of GDP at the time to produce GDP ‘growth’ of 2.5% that the situation was fucked long before 2007.
We must now hope that the scales have fallen from their eyes and they realise that the way to ‘fix’ a structural defecit of 60bn quid a year is not to borrow another 200bn quid every year indefinitely. Nor print money.
Unfortunately 25% of the population appear to be such self-harming morons that Labour only needs to convince another 10% and they can retain their reign of imbecility. Hence the constant tirade of risible lies on any subjetc be it economics, immigration, NHS, anything at all. 25% of the population are mentally ill and are rock solid Labour voters so they clearly cannot be deterred by any amount of idiocy or lies from Labour. I reckon if Labour started machine-gunning ‘em in the streets and loading them into cattle trucks for the errrr ’showes’ they’d still vote Labour in idiot constituencies like Hull and Kirkcaldy.
jgm2: spot on mate, and the demographic timebomb is ticking.
These folks, they hate so easy.
Those BBC breakfast news readers, bill turnbull and hisbfrivolous side chick are more like Blue Peter presenters than serious deliverers of current affairs.
Anonymous,I fully agree so much so that I recently complained to the producers.
Every bulletin is just fun time for them.Her name is Sean Williams.I hate them both
but him the most ‘cos of his constant gesticulation.I bet he is a champion wanker .
Give them their own programme on the Kidz channel.
Telvision is made for morons. Think of the lowest common denominator, and you’ve got it!
Champion Wanker – all 30,000 BBC employees are eligible for entry.
nearly 70 years of special relationship destroyed in 10 by Nu Labour.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/rachel_sylvester/article6816407.ece
what part of the lockerbie bomber being released by the SNP not nu labour don’t you understand, i’m sure the special relationship could have been destroyed by americans funding the IRA too
They set a precedent by releasing Ronnie Biggs on compassionate grounds. That laid the way for the Lockerbie bomber’s release.
Wondered why Straw backed down on that one. When Biggs stuck two fingers up at him, Straw said then that he would never be released.
Funny how oil has a habit of changing ones perspective on things.
The political arena has previously been dominated with discussion about idealogical differences between the main parties, whereas today the discussion centres around just how big a fucking cock is the Prime Minister
The Maximum Imbecile has emerged from media purdah to prattle on about limiting bankers bonuses so that they reflect long term success.
The bastard makes me puke. He’s been moderately successful in blaming the entire economic cluster-fuck on the banks and distracting the idiot public away from the actual architect. ie himself. Hence he comes out every so often with some bank-bashing sound-bite to try and divert the publics attention waya from his own idiocy.
I still remember the BBC story that was put out hours after the government stepped in to prop up the banks. Pictures of pin-striped yuppies from the 1980’s. Mobile phones the size of house bricks – somebody had really gone to town on the 1980’s yuppie archives. Yeah, remember Thatcher!! Back to their happy place for the BBC.
How fortunate indeed the BBC was able to dig them up at such short notice. Then the BBC blames the whole clusterfuck on the banks, duly repeated in the next days newspapers and Brown gets a surge in popularity. A failure of capitalism if you please. No mention at all of a failure of this government. Quite the opposite. Saviours of the day. Winston Smith would be so proud.
The story the BBc didn’t run was how Brown dithered for almost a year while the banks and BoE were pleading with Brown to make cash available on the q.t. to prop up the UK financial system while they unwound their reliance on short money. No. Brown preferred to bring the entire economy to the brink of collapse just so he could scapegoat the banks to divert attention away from his collosal mismanagement of UK Plc.
Whether this was evidence of his idiocy in failing to understand the depth of the danger no matter how many people were pleading with him or pure wilful malice I’m still not certain. But for sure it’s one of the two and neither is a good trait in a PM.
The man is a fucking lunatic and the Parliamentary Labour Party are fucking evil for going along with his many manifest imbecilities. Every single one of them. It is not possible to weedle your way into the post of being an MP and be so fucking stupid as to misunderstand the total clusterfuck that is Brown’s economic legacy.
Labour, always the politics of envy, making supposedly, every body equal!
I came from an extremely poor background, schooling in the sixties and early seventies. I rceived free school meals, free uniform and free transport. I received fantastic education and made the most of it within my capabilities, and as did very many of my poor friends too. I prosperoured under the tories, when it really paid to work hard and you were rewarded accordingly.
I always remember my early work years of the unions trying to destroy every industry they set foot in. Don’t let any one ever convince you that it was Thatcher that destroyed British Industry. The unions had already done that well before she came along.
Because of my experiences , I can understand the tories desire for being called progressives!
The Blair Campbell Brown years have been an absolute disaster for this country. It has all been a lie, all about complete spin and absolute power. We have achieved nothing or been managing our own decline and I believe who ever wins next year, the UK will continue to decline, we make and have nothing. Most countries can do things faster and cheaper than we can. We have become arrogant and lazy, famous for rewarding failures. Controlled by full time politicians who have never had a revenue earning job in their lives in keeping with about one third of the jobs in the country.
I will vote for cameron this time but I’m in no mood for him to be blair2. We need serious major constitutional change and reward for hard work and no fucking spin; if not he wont last long, but as for the left, you blew your chance big time as you did before when the IMF was called in. All they know is how to SPEND, that’s it nothing else after the money runs out and after they have borrowed again to the point of bankruptcy!
Agree wholeheartedly with almost all of that. The only minor difference I have is that we do still have some parts of industry that hold their own or lead the world. Unfortunately, they don’t get much publicity, and suffer government indifference.
This country can work itself into a position where it can hold it’s head up proudly again, put it’s going to take a long time and a lot of hard work. And strong government.
O/T. Petrol is set to rise by 2p per litre again today. If the tax was taken off we would be paying just 35p per litre, which means taxation is around 70%. Bloody Extortionate!
I also see that once inflation gets hold, interest rates will rise. One economist has predicted that it could go as high as 12%.
VAT will also go back to 17.5% in January.
No more Boom and Bust? Ha!
The tax is 200%, actually. The tax (70%) is twice the real price (35p).
Governments have an insatiable, mad greed for tax; they have to devote enormous energy to finding ways to spend it. 100,000 new civil servants since Labour took power was a good start.
What really makes me grind my teeth when I buy a tank of fuel is that I pay for the fuel, then pay about 200% fuel duty, then pay VAT on the price of the fuel and on the fuel tax I’ve just paid. Being taxed for paying tax. Bastards.
Not forgetting that the oil is taxed at its point of source after a licence has been purchased to explore for and dig it up and then the oil company is taxed on its profits right from oil well upto delivering the refined product to the filling station. I think you will fined that if all tax were removed then fuel would cost in single digits. Then there is the taxed dosh you buy the fuel with too.
Yes. I feel that way too.
Pensions are another way of getting two lots of tax out of us.
My mother’s police pension (which has dropped considerably since my father died) is taxed, because it falls just outside the remit. My father had already paid tax on the amount he contributed. It’s just pure greed.
It won’t be long before Gordon sets up another quango to try and tax us on the air we breathe.
449-shelling out. Tax on breathing is the new carbon tax I believe?
Don’t grind your teeth Engineer, you’ll never find a dentist.
Grrrraghgrrrmmmmffsfssgrrr…..
This double tax whammy could cause a double dip in the recession, plus continuing increases in the oil price on the world market (speculators of the world unite), well done the brown and darling double act, you could’nt make it up.
Once inflation takes hold all the prudent savers and pensioners will be skinned alive. The ones to benefit will be the idiots who borrowed 10x their salary on self-cert mortgages, remortgaged anually to ‘release the equity tied up in their property’ and blew the lot on German cars, Japanese Plasma TVs and holidays in Mauritius.
Better still, the way inflation figures are being rigged at the moment means the inevitable ramapnt inflation will be delayed until Brown is out of power and you’ll get opportunist fuck-wit arsehole Labour politicians going into a swoon about high Tory interest rates and high Tory taxes and high Tory unemployment. And no mention at all about their poisoned chalice economy. All duly reported by the BBC.
I could weep.
All the more reason to have an emergency budget straight after the election with the immediate dismantling of the BBC. Once the BBC is gone the Grauniad will soon follow ;-)
2.3p per liter. 2p fuel duty(54.3p to 56.3p per litre) plus 15% VAT.
Britian has Europe’s most expensive diesel already and after this rise plus 17.5% VAT in 2010 will have near most expensive petrol too.
Gordon believes he’s going to seize back the political initiative this week with the announcement that the economy will start growing again by the end of the year.
He is apparently going to claim it’s all because of him and believes this turnaround, if it happens, will win him the next election.
++ laugh+++ are there no bounds to this misguided man’s ego?
He’d do better as a second-rate stand-up comic. That’s about all he’s good for these days.
Brown could do a Frankie Howard tribute act.
I think that’s an insult to Frankie Howerd. Not to my taste, but better than GB.
Hmmm.
A concerted spin campaign to try and convince the public that the panic is over and everything in the garden is rosy, fuelled by jolly feel-good reporting by the totally unbiased (!) BBC, to create an impression that the nation’s borrowings have miraculously disappeared and we’re not still printing money (well we aren’t if the BBC don’t report it), have a barnstorming conference, call an election for October and sweep the country.
Sorry Gordon, won’t work. You might fool a few numpties, but not enough to win you a working majority.
Never underestimate the power of the BBC. The scales fell from my eyes in their reporting of the bank bail-out.
The BBC dug out archive footage from the hated ‘yuppies’ of the 1980’s and a whole bunch of Thatcher-era footage and reported Brown’s economic clusterfuck as a ‘failure of capitalism’. Brown was portrayed as saviour of the banking system whereas in reality he’d sat around and dithered for almost a year while the BoE, the bank chairmen, CEOs etc had been pleading for support on the q.t. while they unwound their lending requirements.
But no. The Maximum Fuckwit, too stupid or too frightened to make a decision just sat there until the whole fucking system practically fell to pieces and then took whatever political advantage he could from the ensuing clusterfuck. But for sure the BBC story was prepared long before the announced bailout. There is no way they reformatted that 1980’s coverage and generated such a biased, fact-free story from a two or three hour standing start. There is no way anybody in such short notice could transform ‘UK Banking system practically falls apart on Labour government watch’ to ‘Crisis of Capitalism’ (subtext: it’s all Maggie Thatcher’s fault)
More government mental energy went into managing the BBC’s reportage than went into avoiding a banking crisis.
Pure fucking evil.
That’s what darling calls ….whistling in the dark.
Brown should be plugged into the mains via a rectal probe
. . but first ensure his feet are in a bath of salt water
How do you think I made him in the first place?
I’ll weather the scorn again to say — “Election this Autumn”!!
You heard it here first.
I hope so, the Vimto is on ice
As revealed by Japan since 1989, no economic recoevry can begin until consumers start spending.
The whole world has indebted, over leveraged consumers in retreat, unemployment is still rising (see Eurozone unemplyment at 9.5% this morning, which is the highest level for 10 years).
Politicians (like Brown) and central bankers are spinning the recovery to get consumers spending again, but the global level of debt is too high to avoid deflation in the long term.
Brown can say what he likes (and he will), but it will take more than 10 years to get us out of this mess.
pay down your debt as cash is king. Do not, I repeat not, rush into buying property yet as prices will get cheaper (remember 1988 to 1997, this will be worse).
Watch out for Standard and Poors (or other credit agencies) downgrading UK government debt in the next few weeks that will kill Sterling. see http://www.safehaven.com/article-14317.htm
FFS
Will the reall Conservative Party please stand up?
Only if you play “god save the queen”
Doncaster leads the way in destroying the cancerous grip of political correctness:
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/100008053/the-beginning-of-the-end-for-political-correctness-the-counter-revolution-has-begun-in-doncaster/
The comments tell their own tale. The last twat in Donny ( my hometown) was an utter tube.
Have mailed the link to my own home counties Tory – 3 councils ( county, district and town – at least one bloke sits on all 3!) here – means 3 glossy ‘aren’t we doing wonderfully’ wank mags to go straight in the recycling bin. Told him to get on with it by whatever means.
Watch out for smears, complaints, strikes and funding cuts, coming Doncaster’s way very soon. NuLab will play the man rather than the ball.
. . . . or the man’s balls
Well spotted Sir Waad. That’ll be the tactic of choice. Watch or create any amount of smears and complaints and then magnify them through the massed ranks of paid placemen masquerading as concerned members of the public. Letters to local papers decrying the state of the streets etc etc.
Makes you puke to think of it. Even as you know it will be happening.
If these c-unts would devote 10% of the energy towards the job they’re being paid to do as they do to climbing the greasy political pole and smearing and willfully fucking up other peoples lives then the UK wouldn’t be such an economic and ethical basket case under this fucking government.
The thing that really kills me in all this is that it would be so much easier to get it right. It takes real fuckwittery to screw up absolutely everything on such a spectacular scale. And then, having totally fucked it up, have the brass neck to claim that there is no problem at all and that it’ll be all over by Christmas.
What kind of sick arseholes have weedled their way into power?
They said the second world war would be all over by Christmas 1939 ;-)
We need someone like the Iron Lady back. Hurrah!
She did have her faults, but at least she stuck to her guns. We knew where we stood. We don’t know now.
Never again.
Michael Yon on British troops in Helmand: we’re fucked, we need a new strategy.
http://www.michaelyon-online.com/precision-voting.htm
I hope Michael Yon keeps sending back his despatches from Afghanistan because his is the only true voice about what’s happening and how hopeless this war is.
No wonder the MoD wants him out. They can’t get away with their lies whilst he’s there.
Michael writes from Afghanistan
” During the season the area is covered by colourful poppies. The 2009 produce probably already showing up on streets in Europe. European money flows back to buy fertilizer which makes bombs and growns more poppies. The decision to mostly ignore the drug dealers has been a strategic blunder.”
And no one in this government thinks to ask where the fertilizer is coming from and to wonder whether , if they cut off the supply of it, they could instantly reduce the number of bombs being made and strike at the heart of the drug trade!!!!
nell, did you take a degree in naivety, or does it just come natural like?
I’m rather surprised by that logic because:
For a start I thought that fertiliser bombs were a bit crap and not much use against military targets. (unless its a lorry bomb like the arndale centre one).
Growing drugs isn’t as lucrative as it sounds: the money gets made on the way to the uk streets.
If you ban giving a country fertilizers, thats a horrific propaganda blunder that turns half baked gits into radicals or terrorists.
Thanks for the clarification guys. I’m a confirmed ‘righty’ and now won’t bother voting for you at all. First time since 1977 I won’t be voting Tory.
I’ll be looking for the right wing candidate and that excludes the ‘lefties in disguise the BNP’.
Looks like it’s UKIP then.
A pity, because it slightly increases the chance of NuLab getting back in, or at least surviving the election with a prospect of getting back into power. One thing at a time, please. There’s no point in redecorating until you’ve got rid of the dry rot.
New Labour into Blue Labour?
How the fuck is that going to help?
Tories have the same politices as Labour:
* BIG GOVERMENT
* HIGH TAXES
* PRO EUSSR
Your idea to get rid of the dry rot by introducing a very slightley different strain of the fungus is patent & palpable nonsense.
If Cameron wants to be the Heir to Blair so desperately he will have to get there without traditional Tory voters. End of.
Vote UKIP.
Vote UKIP get Labour
UKIP if you want to, this Conservative is not for turning :-)
Sir William Waad- I think posters on this site are quite candid as you are with your post. However, if that happens and Labour remain, then the blame rsts at Cameron’s door not folk who vote for the best party on principle. Dave C needs only to do one or two things to get the vote away from UKIP and the B&P. It’s not difficult is it? If Dave has difficulty with this then he really is the heir to Blair and so voting with ones concience is the only honerable thing for Ethan to do.
A shock finding, published by ‘academics’ (sic) and various members of the Noo_Lie_Bore League of hangers-on and dependenst, find that the country has not been raped by Gorgon and his (or Her) apparatchiks.
Instead, they found that from a very early age, people were invited to believe lies, and generally be ‘groomed’ by Noo_Lie_Bore to believe piffle, bullshit, and cretinous results extolling their pathetic virtues.
Yet another new and worthless care industry is in prospect.
if you shop at Boden you can fuck off
What’s wrong with Boden? He does a nice line in colourful little girlie numbers.
Well..it seems that nothing much has changed here in the last three weeks.
Apart from the apparent absence of some of the looniest posters.
Having just returned from the US,it is clear that they are far more proactive in helping the Consumer during difficult times..no increases in fuel costs (gas $2.49/US gallon)..much higher ‘clunker’ scrappage scheme ($4500 and much cheaper cars to start with)…and a whole lot happier population.
Not a healthy economy by any means…but a damned sight more optimistic.
449shelling-out says:
September 1, 2009 at 9:36 am
Sorry, your old man did NOT pay tax on his contributions. Tax is payable AFTER deduction of pension contributions.
And think your Mum lucky. I guess it was your Dad who was the copper and has since, sadly, died. The police pension scheme is as good as any pension out there and the vast majority in the private sector would die for the benefits it provides.
Being a police officer must be a God-awful job, but at least you can retire with a full pension at 40 or so, with a bad back and get a lucrative job in the private sector.
Well, you know, they may well have a point. There was a small, but noisy demonstration, recently in a small market town. It was the usual Labour Party ‘activists’ pretending to be real people, i.e., members of the public.
They were wittering on about the fact that the rececently elected Tory council had scrapped a piece of nest feathering instigated on behalf of a mate of the previous Labour leader. I thought: “Bloody hell! The word reactionary must have been invented for you lot!”
UK manufacturing(no, don’t laugh) shrinking faster, after City experts(yes, laugh) were confident of accelerating expansion.
Meanwhile, in doomed Eurozone, manufacturing slowed its rate of contraction, with Germany the dominant producer, at near stability.
Oh dear, that won’t go down well with the shithead FinanceInsuranceRealEstate&Lawyer wankers who claim UK is well shot of out-moded making things and should rely upon psycho scum like them for its wealth – their wealth.
Happy Days.
UK manufacturing is so small in absolute and realtive terms – about 12% of GDP and less than half the size of Germany’s – that any movement is now magnified.
What’s left of UK manufacturing is largely foreign-owned and can be moved/shutdown far quicker and more easily than home plants, as shown by the following:
News today that Jaguar Land Rover made a loss of £110m in three months Apr-Jun, selling half the cars it sold in the same period last year. It’s mooted that production of Defender and even new LRX model could move to India. Nissan is to take its small Micra models out of Sunderland to India. Toyota may cut one line/model from its Burnaston plant.
Not to worry though peeps, we’ve always got Finance.
The leftist basis to the apparent centrist New Labour has destroyed this country over the past 12 years.
If Cameron thinks presenting himself as a socialist in reality will win him the next election, he is wrong.
We need smallergovernment and home rule.
Dave could snatch defeat from the jaws of victory with this spin.
Stop it and stop it now. We want honesty not spin.
I agree wholeheartedly that we want honesty and not spin, but Dave’s problem is that he has to counter a Labour PR machine that would just love to twist anything he said.
Remember the reaction to the mild suggestion by the Tories that a 10% cut in public spending would be needed? Labour where all over it – hospitals will close, schools will shut, Tories will eat your babies….
That, and the lefty bias of the BBC mean that if Dave says what we all want to hear – some straightforward common sense – he’ll get slaughtered in the spin battle. So he has to play a cagey game, give the enemy no ammunition, keep his powder dry until an election is called. Dave knows from the opinion polls that he has a decent majority in prospect, he doesn’t want to undermine that by handing spin opportunities to Labour. So he keeps schtum for now, thus spiking the enemy’s guns. They’ve got nothing to shoot at.
Gawd, I hope I’m right…..
Point is, a lot of people just don’t think he is capable of such strategic thought. He still misses almost every open goal this defunct PM gives him. Just a few months to convince then, or we are truly *ucked if UKIP split the vote.
Dave’s problem is has too much money
The Tories should use the next six months to plant people in small manufacturing businesses to understand how difficult it is to make money from raw materials and the amount of risk and investment
Any fucking idiot can pass a law to take money off people
It’s a good job Brown doesn’t have to survive on the proceeds of his £0.01 Amazon books
Some stupid fucking publisher will probably give him a million pounds advance for his memoirs. Brown will then do what he’s always dreamed of – produce a book with all those pictures of himself with various world leaders that he’s been racking up the airmiles to get since he became PM.
‘What I told Mr Obama was….’
‘I told President Sarkozy….’
‘They were amazed by my keen grasp….’
Thereby cementing his position in his own mind as a really brilliant and important man feted by other brilliant and important men. Though none of them quite as brilliant or important as himself obviously. In his own fucked-up head.
But who will ghost write this ghastly tome? Or should that be tomb?
The opposite of entrepreneur = Brown (the gorgon).
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We need to get back to the three day week and power rationing.
vom. eugh. My God, I’m all for a bit of slimy gerrymandering of the boundaries of history- but this is a bit far. And all this environment twaddle?
Also interesting the cameroons picked peel as the birth of the modern Cons… It’s generally considered Disraeli isn’t it? Or was he too much style over substance? I know who that reminds me of…
Good video by and large, totally weak at the end.
NHS Number 1 priority? Surely our Nation needs to generate the wealth to pay for the NHS in the first instance.
I like the subtle softening up of the increase in tax 1981 balh blah blah
Sorry, to pay an extra 9% Income Tax next year plus loss of allowances etc isn’t yet going to get me to put my X in the box.