August 26th, 2009

Hannan : Labour Try Again

Guido saw Hannan’s interview with the Reason Foundation’s Michael Moynihan pop up in his feed reader this morning.

Not really paying attention Guido let the video play in the background and got on with other things until he heard “Enoch Powell” mentioned.  Uh oh, was the immediate reaction.  Hannan said he admired Powell as “somebody who understood the importance of national democracy, who understood why you need to live in an independent country and what that meant, as well as being a free marketeer and a small government Conservative.”

This could get interesting Guido thought, and sure enough within hours a Labour contact asked what my opinion of the Reason Foundation was – the Foundation is a West Coast libertarian outfit which is respectable and cerebral – well as respectable as right-wing Californian dope-fiends are ever going to be.

Guido spoke to Dan to ask him when he gave the interview – about “a month or so” ago was his answer – before the NHS kerfuffle cemented Dan in the affections of Labour’s spin operation.   He said it wasn’t the first time he said that, that he wasn’t going to deny his view in the future and that on immigration he was on the record as taking the Friedmanite free market liberal view rather than the restrictive Powellite stance.

Dan asked how did Guido think it was going to play out.  “Well there is no news about and if Labour get Liam Byrne or Mandelson to put the boot in…”

Sure enough Mandelson has popped up: “Yet again, we are seeing the two faces of the Conservative Party. The one they want to present to the public and the one which attacks the NHS and praises Enoch Powell.”  Predictable.

The usually fair minded Mark Hanson of LabourHome has written a very poor piece of analysis – claiming that it is dog-whistle stuff. He also reckons Hannan is deliberately provoking “the Notting Hill set” to stoke up “his fan base” in the Conservative Party. Two problems with that analysis are Hannan has been on holiday in France for the last fornight and the interview was filmed weeks ago, before the NHS kerfuffle. The first Dan knew about this blow-up was when Guido called him this afternoon.  The dog-whistle is fatally undermined in that Powell was cited by Hannan in a list of influences which included Ayn Rand, Milton Friedman and Friedrich Hayek – all of whom were ideologically opposed to immigration restrictions.  The fact is that Hannan and his ideological fan base (such as it is) are more liberal on immigration policy than the official Labour Party position…


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  1. 1
    A firm pair of breasts says:

    Hannan is a fuckstick.

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      Ivor schwartzporsche says:

      That may be so but at least heees anti european

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        Droopy Drawers says:

        He’s enjoyed his time on youtube and has let it go to his head. Irrespective of whether Powell was good/bad/ugly, his is a name you NEVER cite in front of a camera. Its not hypocritical to ‘not mention’ it – its prudent.

        Has Hannan got no idea at all?

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          Wavy Davy Cameron says:

          Priceless!!
          Poor little Dave supposedly cut the balls off of Hannan after the NHS Fiasco and now he does THIS ??? This is Hannan’s idea of “keeping quiet” ?

          Looks like Hannan thinks he’s far bigger than Dave and the Party now.
          After all he got more youboob hits.

          Dave can look weak and go down the path of Major and IDS or he will have to take action and slap him down once and for all.

          The choice is entirely his but if Hannan is doing this before Dave is even elected then he’s going to wreck Dave’s legislative plans as soon as he sets foot in Number 10 with a constant background diversion of shrill Euro hysteria, rows and votes that the Media will lap up.

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          Sasquatch says:

          Wavy Davy Cameron, are you unable to read?
          You write “Poor little Dave supposedly cut the balls off of Hannan after the NHS Fiasco and now he does THIS ??? This is Hannan’s idea of “keeping quiet” ?”

          Did you not read this?:

          “Guido spoke to Dan to ask him when he gave the interview – about “a month or so” ago was his answer – before the NHS kerfuffle cemented Dan in the affections of Labour’s spin operation. “

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        • 134
          Mick says:

          Hannan s one of the most impressive and persuasive politician I have ever heard.

          Only a dipstick could rubbish his views, dipstick

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          Wavy Davy Cameron says:

          Not only read but UNDERSTAND.

          “Guido spoke to Dan” that means Dan (Daniel Hannnan) spoke to Guido (owner and operator of tise blog) yesterday. To not merely confim the story but to endorse his views on Enoch to him heartily.

          That’s hardly keeping quiet is it ?

          It’s shitting the bed and then proclaiming delight by pretending the shit is chocolate.

          It’s stirring up a political hornets nest for Dave and acting surprised that calling Enoch one of his biggest political influences wasn’t either naive and stupid or deliberately inflammatory.

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          Osama the Nazarene says:

          Mick I heartily agree with you. It looks like Wavy Davy and his ilk want “call me Dave” to carry on with the liebor spin (and lies) as witness the immediate reaction of Mandelslime. Good for Dan standing up for his views and the truth. Also Dan is in the european parliament so his influence would be peripheral at best.

          As it happens I think Powell was an opportunist on immigration because he came up with his “rivers of blood” guff after the event. He kept his mouth shut as a minister in a Tory government which let in all our South East Asian brethren to settle here because Northern mill owners wanted cheap labour. When their mills became uneconomical they just naffed off to South East Asia to find even cheaper labour leaving the residue here together with their offspring who could not find jobs.

          Bliar did something similar with the Poles. The rest of the EU didn’t have to let them in and didn’t but bliar wanted cheap nannies, plumbers etc. for his mates. Unrestricted immigration is the direct result of Economic Liberalism. So there I think Dan is wrong, in the things he didn’t say.

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          Daniel Hannan's planet sized Ego says:

          Look at me! Look at me! LOOK AT ME!! Look at me! Look at me! LOOK AT ME!! Look at me! Look at me! LOOK AT MEEE!!! Look at me! Look at me! LOOK AT ME!! Look at me! Look at me! LOOK AT ME!!

          Loooook at meeeeeeee!!!!

          Look at me!

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          RobC says:

          Try reading guido’s article again and then inwardly digest

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        • 397
          Daniel Hannan's planet sized Ego says:

          The one where he continues to stir it up by speaking to Guido and highlighting his endorsement of Enoch Powell ?

          Look at me!

          unstable, attention seeker, eccentric

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      • 24
        Scrof says:

        He’s thick. Really fucking thick. Mandelson’s personal ammunition loader.

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          Rose says:

          Is he??? Look at it this way, he mentions Enoch, Labour, the BBC et al, huff and puff, but the house doesn’t blow down, and Labour loose another point in the polls. Result; he’s liberated another hostage to fortune, and restored another inch of lost liberty. The totalitarians have lost again. Inch, by inch, step by step that’s how we win our freedom back.

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        • 36
          rick says:

          “In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act”.

          George Orwell.

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        • 48
          Wavy Davy Cameron says:

          The voting public love hearing about Enoch Powell. No really, they do.

          That’s why the B&P are threatening to beat… erm, well they must be beating someone in voting percentages. Probably the monster raving loony party if clearly not any of the serious political parties and they never will.

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        • 72

          is guido his agent?

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        • 249

          Is anyone keeping an IP list of the Labour astroturfers here ?

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          Dan shit the bed says:

          Is anyone keeping an IP list of the B’NP astroturfers here ?

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          Fred says:

          Joke. Most people today were born long after Enoch’s remarks and in the unlikely event they bother to investigate what all the fuss is about they will probably agree with them, considering that 85% of the population has concerns about mass immigration and are getting tired of being blown up on trains.

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        • 393
          Leagle Beagle says:

          No he’s very clever, most people on the right like his views and any failed attempts at attacks on him simply make him stronger.

          Perfect example I have just watched and enjoyed a 10 minute interview with him online which I otherwise would have ignored if Labour hadn’t tried to smear him.
          Labour are using 20th century political weapons in the 21st it simply wont work.

          Also I have no problem with anyone citing Enoch Powell and I doubt many members of Joe Public do either bearing in mind how many people are now voting Tory, UKIP and BNP!

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          Leagle Beagle says:

          Just to clarify on Powell I dont agree with his Rivers of Blood speech in any way and neither does Hannan, I do agree with his views on the power of the state and also our interaction with Europe.

          I think most members of the public do also.

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          Thechuds says:

          No matter what you think about Powell , the man had a brilliant brain, moreso than anyone one this or any other blog.Wikpedia the man, and learn something

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        Anonymous says:

        He can’t be anti-European if he’s an MP. He’s anti the Federalist Europe.

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        Sukyspook says:

        “That may be so but at least heees anti european”

        …and one can be ‘anti-European’ – (I think you meant ‘anti EU’ Ivor – 4…) and NEVER LEAVE OR EVEN INTEND TO LEAVE THE EU….

        Anti-EU isn’t good enough for me. OUT! is the only way and obviously we will continue to trade etc (if we have anything TO trade).

        Whoever is behind the EU wishes to control the entire EU (and the world…). The UK, having been systematically dismantled whilst hidden in plain sight behind the lie of “in our best interests” comprises many resources, not least its land and its people, with which to re-build a great nation – not an empire-building/conquering/thieving nation, but a free; principled; compassionate; honest nation…..built upon REAL humanitarian principles, not just a UN/EU facade (I can hear rousing music in the background….).

        So be as sceptical as you like Daniel but that’s not good enough for me and whilst I’m at it I’d like to ask Daniel what he’d do about the likes of Ken Clarke; George Osborne; and their ‘extra curricular activities’???

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        Anonymous says:

        And holidays in France, ay yup, fuzzy logic

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          Vidkun Quisling EU founding Father says:

          You really are thick, just because you dislike the freedom and democracy vacuum called the EU and you want a free sovereign government answerable only to its electorate, does not mean you are anti European you idiot.

          There are millions of Europeans who share Hannans view of the monsterous EU project and its unending attacks on freedom and liberty.

          This might come as a surprise to you but you can be both anti EU and like Europe, though the distinction may be too much for you to understand.

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        Four-eyed English Genius says:

        Not anti European but anti EU, as is every sensible person!

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      Ian Botham says:

      True but Labours problem is that many of their voters think Powell was right and have been voting BNP.

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      A Pensioner says:

      Firm pair – get a hold of youself. In the real world I would bet most people agree with what Powell said – he proved to be very precient on the subject. Read Powell’s speech, then say you disagree.

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        Old Street says:

        but most people dont know about Powells speech they just know to associate Powell with being a racist.

        They havent read his speech they dont know how many asian languages he could speak etc etc

        This retarded electorate sometimes deserve brown shafting them.

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          A Pensioner says:

          So ignorance will perpetuate that myth. Powell was not a racist – he merely pointed out the social problems that would follow from mass uncontrolled immigration.

          One of the last honourable men in Government, one of the brightest, and a patriot who actually faught for his coutry. Unlike the shower of shit now on both sides.

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          no longer anonymous says:

          Powell was actually very liberal when it came to issues other than immigration.

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          Call me Infidel says:

          Forty years of conditioning by the liberal elites have made Enoch Powell and the I word unmentionable in polite company. However amongst the great unwashed there is I would argue a great deal of hostility to the patrician attitudes of all three mainstream parties. Hence the numbers of votes cast for parties who have a more robust attitude on Immigration. Like it or loathe it there is anger at what Labour has allowed to happen to “border control” and what they laughingly call immigration policy.

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          Trough Mixture says:

          I knew that Powell had been tutored by A.E. Housman. I have read and enjoyed some of his less scholarly works – as might be understood by a basher of tin. Scanning his Wiki entry, I see that there is a volume – ‘The Name and Nature of Poetry’ which I shall obtain, since he argues that poetry should appeal to emotions rather than the intellect, a statement with which I strongly agree. Mandelson, possessing only the latter, wouldn’t understand that – indeed the entire nuLab front bench would probably struggle, preferring to react as instructed – not trusting to the seized and rusty innards of a failed and disused heart.

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          A Pensioner says:

          Trough Mixture: I would take issue with your characterisation of Mandelson – as having only intelect not emotion. I don’t see any evidence of intellect. Rather what I observe is a rather sad individual who craves attention and wants riches.

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          Trough Mixture says:

          I am prepared to accept that he has neither. :-)

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          Sukyspook says:

          Indeed Old Street #31 – the ‘racist bandwagon’ just rolled into town and Mandlescum was first on it…..if only everyone would realise that we’ve all been ‘played’ by his like.

          We have been indoctrinated that even uttering the ‘P’ word is a racist act… However, love or hate Powell, we only have to look around us at the changes in all of our lives/environment over the past 40+ years. I’m not saying it’s better or worse, JUST DIFFERENT.

          By design, people have been systematically forced to vacate their homelands due to poor economic conditions then part 2, dilute indigenous populations, particularly the UK and bring about colossal shifts in the morals and culture of the populus…worked a treat here didn’t it.

          As for the NHS, like the curate’s egg – good in parts, but it fails every time concerning the elderly imo and probably NOT by accident (follow the money and PPP’s).

          I’m sick of the perpetual ‘point scoring’ by politicos, it’s so yesterday and oh so transparent.

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          barefootcontessa says:

          Enoch Powell = a highly educated man.

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          Steve Expat says:

          Peter Mandleson = Unelected Scum

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          Sod 'em all says:

          Today’s GCSE ‘graduates': grinning empty husks of children clutching worthless pieces of paper.

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          Chaim Alumberajaque says:

          174. What have Labour et al done to these poor mites?

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          Watch the Skies! says:

          Would you like someone to write to Susie Dent (of the OUP and television’s ‘Dictionary Corner’) with the suggestion that the verb ‘to brownshaft’ be included in the next supplement to the Oxford English Dictionary?

          1. To forcibly perform an act of bottomry.

          2. To wreck, destroy, humiliate in the manner of former UK Prime Minister James Gordon Brown.

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      • 219
        Peter Grimes says:

        I think that Wavy Davy HAS got a hold of himself – in the same way that Mastur Bator has!

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      Anonymous says:

      What a fuckin idiot, he is one of the few that speaks some truths, but we can’t have that now can we?
      Droopy Bonehead..what is wrong with quoting Enoch P, has he been proved wrong or right ? you numpty.

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        Anonymous says:

        you tell im!
        the whip hand is firmly in Max Mosley’s Nazi-garbed prostitiutes hand now

        this proves old Enoch was right all along

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          Ivor Schwartzporches says:

          Everyone has haerd of Ecnoch Powell and as they say. No publicity is bad publicity or all publicity isn’t bad or words to that effect.

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        Phil O'Pastree says:

        Powell was not a racist as portrayed by the fascist left mudslingers. Even now you can see some of the posters here afraid to defend him.

        The gist of his famous Rivers of Blood speech (given many years before the race riots of the early eighties) suggested that if you open the floodgates to immigrants, they would not assimilate as they would if you allowed controlled moderate immigration, but rather they would build up ghettoes forming their own alien communities. And before long there would be dissatisfaction and eventually civil unrest.

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          Steve Expat says:

          Sounds pretty accurate to me!

          The problem is surely all this “Politically Correct” nonsense prevailing today that leaves certain subjects unmentionable – the unintended but natural concequence of which was seen in the recent EU elections with a couple of idiots elected.

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          Hugh Janus says:

          P O’P, you’ve said it for me. May I also add that Powell was a towering intellect and a man of honour. He wasn’t afraid to say what had to be said, and this racist nonsense that always surfaces whenever his name is mentioned is shameful, and is only deployed because of the sheer force of his argument.

          Mandelslime, by contrast, will never be good enough to lick Powell’s boots – a politician of the very worst kind. Not for nothing is he known on this blog as ‘The Unflushable’.

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          Fred says:

          The head of teh CRE agrees with him too.

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        Sod 'em all says:

        Enoch Powell was a towering figure in British politics. He possessed a devastating intellect together with flair and passion. Small wonder he quickly became public enemy No1 with the lefties and the BBC. For having the audacity to stand up and defend his country, he was pilloried and smeared by those not worthy to shine his shoes.
        Powell was a genius. Read his speeches. He saw the future and he warned us. Pity we didn’t listen – or weren’t allowed to.

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          Anonymous says:

          thanks for that incisive comment Mr Dick Sniffin

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          Jon Forest says:

          Powell was right about nearly everything but his fears about the effects of mass immigration have so far proved exaggerated – at least in that we have not yet seen rivers of immigrants’ blood, which was what he feared. No-one could say our experience of mass immigration has been entirely happy, however, for either the immigrants or the indigenous population.

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          Jon Forest says:

          Rivers of blood – would the Tube bombings qualify?

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          Susie says:

          We haven’t seen rivers of blood, although the emergency services attending the tube and bus bombings on 7/7 might disagree.

          Powell, on the other hand, had. During his time in India at Partition, he witnessed thousands of sectarian deaths caused by the rivalries of a basically tribal/religious system having a Western government structure imposed — with the British Empire wasn’t around to keep the peace and the factions apart. We’ve seen this time and time again in Rwanda, the Balkans everywhere.

          He was concerned we’d import this strife if we didn’t limit immigration numbers. He didn’t want the formation of ghettos. His warnings were ignored and called ‘racism’ — they forget that Powell spoke 3 Asian languages fluently — what ‘racist’ takes the time to learn them? He was not a racist, he was a realist and an informed one too.

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    • 66
      Canary Wharf Rat says:

      So are you.

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      THE_FORCE says:

      Agreed. Is he banging on about boats in stormy waters again?

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      Cuse says:

      Well Said!

      A big sweaty one at that.

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        they are all pygmies nowadays says:

        Powell once (or was it more?) went hunting, starting his journey on the tube in full hunting kit. I wonder if anyone would be brave enough to do so nowadays.
        Someone I knew said he’d met Powell and he learnt a new language every year, and proved it by continuing the conversation in perfect Welsh.

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    • 319
      Jon Forest says:

      You’re certainly a hardened tit.

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      slapheaded outrage says:

      a fuckstick of what magnitude would you say ?

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    Cynic says:

    Its great that Lord Mandeson of everything has such spare time on his hands.

    Given his sudden conversion to the interests of big media and against file sharing I have decided to write to the Department pointing out that i have a few business ideas that require the Government to pass legislation to help me make millions. I want to know when Lord Mandleson will be available for dinner so I can perhaps solicit his support.

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      nell says:

      This dying labour govt is grasping at straws in the hope that it will stop them dying. Let’s be kind and let them sink. And let mandy sink with them.

      Good night. God Bless.

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        Wavy Davy Cameron says:

        Mandelson’s hypno-powers strike again!

        Poor old Hannan was simply going to talk mainstream Politics when.. ZAP!!!
        Mandelsons hypnobeam forced him to praise one of the most divisive figures in British Politics forever associated with racism.

        He’s very cunning is that Mandelson.

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          Ever Vigilant says:

          Mandelson is finished and he knows it . No one ,apart from a few lickspittle journalists and the uncoontrolled editors at the BBC ,give a toss about the opinions of the most venal man in politics . He will lose votes by the bucketful .Brown’s ‘masterstroke’ bringing him back into the fold was an act of utter madness, just like everything he does .

          Ask the Labour ‘core’ voters their opinion . You would then quickly revise
          your own .Hypno- powers– no doubt there is a spare place for you in a mental home .

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          Wavy Davy Cameron says:

          Irony and humour are a complete stranger here sometimes.

          Mandleson is many things but he DOESN’T HAVE hypopowers and HE DIDN’T force Hannan to say anything. Got that ? Fucking moron.

          Pointing out the obvious is hardly tantamount to praising the man.

          Even his biggest detractors in the Conservative Party at least know that he is “cunning” which is a backhanded compliment at best.

          Any fool knows Mandelscum is hated by the core Labour voters and MP’s but he’s currently Rasputin in chief and he didn’t get there by accident.

          What an idiot.

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        Boudicca says:

        NuLabour are paying Hannan a compliment – they know he’s the most well-known Tory outside of Westminster – and there’s a reason for that. Most of what he says makes very good sense and his views on the EU in particular, chime with those of the electorate.

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          Susie says:

          Hannon’s wonderful because he’s dangerous. They’d never dare a debate with him because they’d know he’d demolish them, they can only snipe behind his back. The shock and disbelief on Brown’s face during Hannon’s EU Parliament speech was priceless… you’ve been told Brown!

          Mandy hates him because, unlike Hannon, he’s unelected — Hannon’s ideas of democratic accountability challenge everything Mandleson is. It’s like the battle between good and evil, light and darkness being played out before our very eyes.

          Riveting stuff…

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          Nanziboy Nicky and his Comedy Fascists says:

          Mandelscum loves Hannan as he’s his own personal Cameron baiter with lovely damaging quoteable stuff about the NHS being a mistake and Enoch being a political hero.

          If Hannan didn’t exist Mandlescum would invent him.

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          Peter Grimes says:

          No, Queen Mandlebum invents the words he imputes to Hannan. Much easier!

          (Wavy Davy IS Mastur Bator, btw! Can’t change his style!!)

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      barefootcontessa says:

      I’m so cynical, I deduce from your comment, you must be after little Lord M.

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    Ratsniffer says:

    Problem is the mere mention of Powell sends the Guardianistas and Nulabour marxists into a foaming, frothing rage. It’s sad that no reasonable debate can ever be had without the lefties trying to smear – as ever – to divert attention from the huge balls up they’ve made over the past 12 years.

    However clearly Hannan states his – comparatively liberal – stance on immigration, the leftie mudslinging machine will swing into action, merely because he mentioned Enoch.

    Nulabour. Smearing – it’s what we do.

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    • 5

      Well I hope the furore in this time of the internet makes people actually read Powells speech.

      He’s a Cassandra

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        and here’s the text of the speech.

        http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643826/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html

        It was filmed but all film has been removed from youtube except the Aljabeebyas scare attack.

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          Man on the Clapham omnibus says:

          Daniel Hannan is a man possibly wiser than his years. I lived in the Enoch Powell era remember his speech and now have witnessed and lived his vision.

          I implore Guido readers of all factions to read both the river’s of blood speech but more importantly the wikipedia description of Enoch Powel who was a great and sensitive General, Statesman, Scholar and man of integrity. Attached is a small note from a very powerful and compelling insite into the man. It dispels the myth that he was a racist divisive personality.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Powell

          “The main political issue addressed by the speech was not immigration as such, however. It was the introduction by the Labour Government of the Race Relations Act 1968, which Powell found offensive and immoral.

          The Act would prohibit discrimination on the grounds of race in certain areas of British life, particularly housing, where many local authorities had been refusing to provide houses for immigrant families until they had lived in the country for a certain number of years”.

          “It became clear that Powell had won the 1970 election for the Tories… of all those who had switched their vote from one party to another in the election, 50 per cent were working class Powellites. Not only had 18 per cent of Labour Powellites switched to the Tories but so had 24 per cent of Liberal Powellites”.

          Johnson further believed that the votes Powell brought to the Conservatives were “quite possibly four or five million”. A Daily Express poll in 1972 showed Powell being the most popular politician in the country.”

          Daniel Hannan is correct in revisiting the condition of Britain then and now…………….

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        • 369
          Nanziboy Nicky and his Comedy Fascists says:

          Why revisit Enochs mouldering meanderings when you can hear up to date modern remixes of that speech every time Nicky Griffin speaks ?

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        • 384
          Augeas says:

          Why learn about the facts when you can call people names instead? Lie, smear, conspire. No wonder you have been such an incompetent government over the last 12 years.

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          GR52 says:

          Wow! Augeas thinks a poster comparing Enoch Powell to Nick Griffin is the Government. All by himself ? He must be a busy man.

          Those who do not support Enoch Powell or Nick Griffin must therefor be the Labour Government. Got that drones ?
          Pity David Cameron doesn’t support either of them though, isn’t it ?

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      • 37
        Siberian Tory says:

        I agree entirely if there are two Conservative statements that need myth busting it’s the rivers of blood speech and the “No such thing as society” article.

        The way this pans out will be HUGELY interesting.

        Can’t decide if Dan Han is an egotistical fuckwit or a man whose trying to show the Tories just how ready the public are ready for change….

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        • 67
          Siberian Tory says:

          To expand though, there is no doubt Powell was a racist and he was also wrong. The importance of the nation state and the freemarkets where causes that Powell was an early political proponent of and I agree strongly with him in these areas. However, I don’t know how you can square free markets with Powell’s views on immigration.

          I understand how one could admire Powell’s early adoption of Hayek but Dan is skirting close to very dangerous waters. I mean would you want to go for a drink with a man who says things like “the day is coming when the black man will have the whip hand over the white man”?

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        • 132
          Phil O'Pastree says:

          How do you arrive at the conclusion that he was a racist?

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        • 142
          barefootcontessa says:

          Yes, I’d have loved to have had a drink with a highly intelligent man like E Powell.

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        • 145
          barefootcontessa says:

          Yes, I’d have loved to have had a drink with a highly intelligent man like that.

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        • 151
          Adam Savage says:

          Now there’s your problem!

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          Archer Karcher says:

          “In this country in fifteen or twenty years time the black man will have the whip hand over the white man.”

          Powell was quoting a conversation with a constituent, his speech, had you ever read it, was a warning of a backlash against mass uncontrolled immigration.

          The full texts of all his major speeches can be found at http://www.enochpowell.net.

          Make up your own minds about the man, instead of regurgitating cliches, half truths and outright lies.

          The truth will set you free and all that.

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          Siberian Tory says:

          @Archer Karcher

          I stand corrected. I did a bit of reading on my lunch hour and you’re right the misrepresentation of Powell on this point is disgusting.

          It’s interesting to note in the context of this discussion the Powell was a supporter of the NHS.

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        Enoch's allwight Guv'nor ees just a bit misunderstood like that Himmler bloke says:

        I remember wading through those rivers of blood.
        Most troublesome without a stout pair of wading boots.

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          Peter Grimes says:

          But not as difficult as wading through the piles of shit which ZaNuLieBor dump regularly, including this, Lady Mandlebum’s latest unpolished offering!

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          Anonymous says:

          so it was Mandelbum that said Enoch was one of his political heroes ?

          unpolished offering indeed

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          Osama the Nazarene says:

          Bliar, Mandlebum opposite sides of the same coin.

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      Kaiser says:

      On the other hand, as I speak as a fan of Hannan, he does seem to be terribly naive when talking to the meeja.

      I suppose it’s because he’s ‘only’ an MEP that he doesn’t get the spin doctors on hand to make sure he can never say anything which can be quoted out of context.

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        Ivor schwartzporsche says:

        That’s what we want isn’t it? Someone who speaks their mind and is elected or otherwise on talk from thy heart.

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          Kaiser says:

          The idealist in me agrees, but the realist thinks there’s too many stupid people who believe the first two lines of every story, so there’s no point in giving your enemies ammunition.

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          Ivor schwartzporsche says:

          13. Kaiser. Agree but thanks to the internet folk are becoming more alert to waffle and lies. More seek honesty and truth and that is also why the BBC is losing audience and so called ‘Truth’ sites are getting busier not to mention advertising sponsorship. IMO

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          filipinomonkey says:

          Kaiser isn’t this the main point which has been doing the rounds for the last couple of years. IMHO the people in this country who are still interested and non partisan are sick to the back teeth of politicians who spin and deceive.

          Whatever your views on Hannan, and I tend to agree with quite a lot but not all of what he says, he is saying what he feels and I so appreciate that. Those of you saying he should shut up are just falling into the Labour trap.

          Never try to outspin Labour, they will beat you down to their level and win by experience.

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        Steve Expat says:

        Kaiser, the reason that Hannan is so popular is that he says what he wants to say, not what others want him to say or what the official party line is this week.

        Along with other slightly off-message Tories like Boris (and a few on the other benches too – Dennis Skinner?) these people are good politicians because they are honest and don’t try to decieve the people with spin and lies.

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          Ivor Schwartzporsche says:

          156. Absolutely. Can we have politicians who speak their mind without interference and can we have plebs who are allowed to say who they may vote for without being slagged off and tols to say otherwise or told to vote otherwise. ‘In case it upsets the apple cart or the status quo’! I’m fed up with the backstabbing. A debate by all means.

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          brussel-louts says:

          if he was honest wouldn’t he join UKIP ?

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      Fresh Start says:

      The foaming fury of the left when it comes to Powell is because they simply have no cogent answer to put forward that can rebut anything the great man said.
      It’s impossible for them to debate against the Truth, so they resort to shouting it down. Lefties have always employed this tactic. Once you’re aware of it, and that it’s merely a device to try to shut you up, you become liberated sufficiently to no longer be afraid. You can freely speak your mind. It’s great!

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      Mary Hinge says:

      Mentioning Powell gets the same reaction as mentioning Kipling, who is vilified by people who have never read one word that he wrote.

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        Anonymous says:

        Just wait for the numbskulls coming with the cakehole spin. Don’t rise to it.

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        I’m a great fan of Kipling, but then I’m also a great fan of Linton Kwesi Johnson, for exactly the same reasons that I like Kipling – informed and accurate social commentary.

        Enoch’s much abused speech was also informed and accurate, but lacked the rhythm and the rhyme of Kipling and LKJ.

        Inglan is a bitch, an there’s no escapin it ;o)

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      Fred says:

      Guardianistas – all 400,000 of them. So what….

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    wHo guves a fuck what foulureson thinks says:

    My name says it all

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      Fay Wray on hearing a disturbance in the garden says:

      No one here does and I’m not sure if anyone else rates him anymore.

      I sense a loss of steam.

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    Libertarian Hope Fiend says:

    Well said Guido. Idiotic Mandy and The Fucking Liar PM have at least four faces of the Labour party between them.

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    Lord Enoch Fouler of Boys says:

    Send me a nice little black one

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    It’s lucky for Hannan that Ted Kennedy died, otherwise this would be at the top of the BBC’s news ticker. E.g. “NHS slam Tory QUOTE idolises racist UNQUOTE”, with the quote coming from a Labour source.

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      Dick the Prick says:

      What? You mean blatant lies from Labour? Surely not.

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      Steve Expat says:

      This made ITN’s 10pm last night – does no-one there check dates either, or are they also happy to just repeat the Party’s press releases?

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      Susie says:

      Indeed… but on the basis that there’s no such thing as bad publicity they’ve decided to revert to ‘Tories will eat your babies’ default mode…

      ‘Tories continue welfare attacks’

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8223883.stm

      If you bother to read the article, the Tories are actually attacking Labour’s record in that 1 in 6 households have no wage earner. But it’s much easier for the client BBC to make it appear the Tories attacking welfare claimants.

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    Engineer says:

    Since when have the facts ever got in the way of the substance of a Nulab briefing?

    It might be tolerable in a red-top rag, but it makes for bloody awful government, and an increasing proportion of the electorate is reaching that conclusion for itself.

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    Jimmy says:

    It is outrageous to suggest that Hannan could possibly have foreseen that five months on US cable tv arguing to scrap the NHS and namechecking Enoch Powell might have been in any way unhelpful to his party.

    Keep it up I say.

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      Engineer says:

      Have you ever read Powell’s ‘Rivers of Blood’ speech? What is in it that is offensive?

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        Jimmy says:

        Did I say that it was offensive. It is a beautiful image and in no way hysterical or melodramatic. It was a major factor in promoting racial harmony and sums up for me what it really means to be a tory.

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          Engineer says:

          You haven’t read it, have you.

          P.S. I’m not a Tory.

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          Enoch's allwight Guv'nor ees just a bit misunderstood like that Himmler bloke says:

          Ouch! Nicely done Jimmy.

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          Engineer says:

          Enoch’s allwight Guv’nor etc. at 1:20am.

          It is quite clear from what Jimmy wrote at 11:32pm that he has not read Powell’s famous (or infamous) speech, and also quite clear that you have not either.

          One of the things that prevents rational and sensible debate on issues of importance to Britain is the readiness of many on the left of politics to smear others without checking the facts first, or worse, to smear them whilst deliberately ignoring the facts. The current government has made it a regular practice, and are generally loathed for it. It is a practice that does not contribute to fair and open government, it stifles it.

          They cannot accept anything said against them by others in similar vein – remember Cambell’s over-the-top reaction to Gilligan’s report on the Today programme (and Gilligan was, as things turned out, correct). The attitude of the left in being ready to smear and misinterpret others, but crying foul when they are criticised, is Hypocrisy writ large.

          See Dan Hannan (above) for details.

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          Steve Expat says:

          Well said Engineer. Now how can we get rid of this fucking bunch of hypocrites?

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          Enoch's allwight Guv'nor ees just a bit misunderstood like that Himmler bloke says:

          Of course we haven’t.
          Because logic dictates if you criticise someone you can’t have read anything about them.
          I was saying that only the other day to an imaginary man on the street who was complaining that the black man had the whip hand.

          I bump into these apocryphal speech props, sorry people, every time I pop into the shops dodging the wide smiliing grins of the picaninnnnie trying to make phone calls.

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          Engineer says:

          Enoch’s allwight Guv’nor etc. at 11:11am.

          That’s about your level of debate isn’t it? Take a few well-known phrases out of context and twist them together in ways that Powell did not use them.

          I state again, you have not read, or thought about, Powell’s speech.

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          Enoch's allwight Guv'nor ees just a bit misunderstood like that Himmler bloke says:

          State it all you like, you’re still wrong.

          I’ve read it chummy. I just think it full of hyperbole and the kind of cheap apocrypha that he didn’t have the guts to say himself so he hid behind.
          Hoping he could just blame this anonymous landlady and her phone problems/racism or this ordinary man on the street with the his eye fixed on the whip hand if anyone pulled him up on it. He was wrong. They all saw through his cheap tactics immediately and the rest is history.

          And the tedious pompous long winded way he tried to justify it by the elborate waffling about prediction in politics all the while while painting himself a “poor me” victim and martyr of the unquestionable powers of his own foresight. Self regarding tedium.

          You can praise him or make him a political hero all you like but pretending that speech wasn’t political suicide and justly famous for it’s racist overtones is twaddle.

          And what is more even Hannan & Guido know it and won’t dare defend it.

          You seem to have missed the part of the story where Hannan claims Enoch is a hero but NOT because of that for which he was most passionate about and famous.

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          Engineer says:

          So you’ve read it. Hooray – took you long enough.

          Interestingly, the BBC broadcast a programme on the 40th anniversary of the ‘Rivers of Blood’ speech (actually a misquote in itself) investigating the background and details of the speech. They tracked down the road (now demolished) in which the landlady who wrote to Powell lived, and some of the other residents there at that time. It was quite clear that all that Powell quoted was accurate.

          The speech, as others have pointed out on this thread, was prescient. Powell’s parliamentary career may have been damaged by his words, but his integrity was not. The charge of racism against Powell has been more than adequately dismissed by others on this thread; I shall not bother to repeat.

          Would that more politicians of today would have the integrity and courage to state their case as honestly as Powell did.

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          Enoch's allwight Guv'nor ees just a bit misunderstood like that Himmler bloke says:

          “You’ve not read it. You’ve not thought about it. You’ve read it”. Right.

          The reference to the phone and picanninnies was the clue I’d read it long before your posts but you chose to ignore it and shift position. Very telling.

          Interestingly, you challenge apocrypha with.. yet more apocrypha.

          Did the programme name her ? Did they confirm she had all this phone trouble and says what Enoch says she did ? No. Because we only have Enoch’s word for that and that is entirely his choice to use an anonymous source as his own mouthpiece to say what he was thinking. Just like the mysterious ordinary man ranting about the black man holding the whip hand in 15 or 20 years time.
          Nothing offensive there at all and 100% correct as were all those foaming bloody rivers.

          Heath said of it “racialist in tone and liable to exacerbate racial tensions”

          If you seriously think Enochs speech wasn’t one of the most divisive and controversial speeches ever made then you simply don’t know what you are talking about. What’s more Enoch intended it to be.

          He said the speech would “go up fizz like a rocket, but whereas all rockets fall to the earth, this one is going to stay up”
          He was an old Political Tart who loved courting publicity and controversy like some of his more youthfull present day worshippers. It finished him.

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          Engineer says:

          The programme did name her, yes. They also tracked down the letter she wrote to Powell. Apparently, he refused to reveal her identity, even under close and aggressive questioning on live television, to protect her. On his death, the letter passed to one of his close aides, who still has it. He too refused to confirm the journalists’ researches by confirming her identity, in order to protect her family. If you are sceptical, I suggest you trawl the BBC’s archives for the programme (but I bet you won’t).

          You have your opinion of Powell; I have mine, and we are clearly not going to agree.

          I hope that after the next election, the political honesty and integrity that characterised Powell’s public life is rather more prevalent than the self-serving mendacity that characterises the current governing party.

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          Enoch's allwight Guv'nor ees just a bit misunderstood like that Himmler bloke says:

          Except the only woman ever named didn’t even have a phone and had no sons. How do you square that with “honest” Enoch’s speech ?

          So the only possible confirmation that anything Enoch said even remotely resembles what the alledged woman wrote is now supposedly in a mysterious letter we cannot ever see, even though they are both dead.
          Most convenient and not at all suspicious or dishonest.

          And what of the ordinary man fearing the black mans whip hand ? Where is he ? Or is it all too likely he like her was a nice smokescreen for Enoch to vent his true feelings ?

          Sorry, you don’t get a free pass for Enoch by invoking the name of the current bunch of fuckwits. He has to stand or fall on what he did and said.

          He deliberately courted controversy and publicity with that speech and was either too naive ignorant, and out of touch to know what would occur after he made it or wanted to incite racial hatred. Either way he got burned and it is what will always define him. Not my idea of honesty or integrity.

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          Engineer says:

          If you want to question the programme’s veracity, that’s up to you. I’m content to believe it, and I’m content to believe the people interviewed.

          We are not going to agree. No doubt you’ll be back to have the last word. Be my guest.

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        Call me Infidel says:

        To be fair “piccaninnies” is I would argue quite offensive, and was not was not helpful to the debate. Powell at the time was arguing against Afro-caribbean immigration. I believe he was in error as people from this part of the world are in my view more likely to assimilate. One should also bear in mind that Powell died in 1998 so he was unable to witness the fruits of Labours open door immigration policy. The long term implications of immigration from third world islamic countries like Pakistan, Bangladesh and Somalia coupled with death cult pathologies of the wahhabist followers will result in exactly what Powell predicted.

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          barefootcontessa says:

          His speech wasn’t politically correct. He could have said the same things but differently worded.

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          Steve Expat says:

          bc, did “Political Correctness” even exist in 1968 when he made the speech?

          It’s terribly difficult to judge something said 40 years ago by modern standards, his speech at the time was not as far-right as it is percieved now – and he was of course largely correct in what he said would happen…

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          tat says:

          “and he was of course largely correct in what he said would happen”
          proof steve?
          ah, the brixton riots I hear you say.
          utter bollocks steve, the brixton riots were caused by racist policing.
          all of you puffed up imbeciles talk of how visionary this loon was yet I see no rivers of blood on the streets of this country and you know why? because most British people are decent hardworking folk, not racist bn p nutters like the crazies on this thread who bleat on about what a patriot powell was.
          powell was not a patriot he was an anti commonwealth turncoat and anti royalist.
          you tory trolls make me laugh, yesterday you were slagging off kennedy and today you are bigging up a nazi.
          the truth is kennedy and powell were both a pair of dicks.
          it is most unwise for tory trolls to promote a fascist like powell.

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          Steve Expat says:

          tat, I was not promoting him, I was disagreeing with the “racist” vitriol poured on his name by socialists, and pointed out that some of his prophesies turned out not to be too far away from what has happened in the UK over this past decade of unfettered immigration, with ghettos appearing and the British population being discriminated against (ie schools where the majority of pupils speak no English).

          I’m not a Tory but as you’re polite enough today to not call me anything worse I’ll let it go this time! ;-)

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          tat says:

          powell’a analysis was totally wrong steve: the problem is not immigration per se. the problem is that the country’s infrastructure is not keeping up with population numbers.
          that is where the problem lies.
          and this new labour government cynically ignored that fact by refusing to count the number of people entering the country because they did not want to pay the statutory funding of £600 per new person per borough that local councils are entitled to.
          as they underfunded the army so they have underfunded immigration.
          typical new labour. failures.

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      Anonymous says:

      You could not BE more wrong Jimmy.

      He didn’t namecheck Enoch.
      He said he was one of his politcal heroes.

      It’s like saying Profumo is a hero because of his charitable work and then acting surprised if anyone brings up that deadfull prostitution and russian spy ring scandal business.

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        Dick the Prick says:

        Or Ted Kennedy even tho he was a murdering, degenerate, truculent, stupid, disgusting, terrorist supporting, nazi sympathising turd of a man.

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        Pontius The Pilot says:

        Or like Broon saying he counted Ted Kennedy as a friend.

        Kennedy the accomplished, hardworking senator, or Kennedy the cheating, evading, shambling drunk?

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          Anonymous says:

          ‘During his life he served the American people in the spirit of a family whose name is synonymous with public service in the United States.

          ‘He fought for the causes he stood for, from civil rights to education and healthcare.’

          That Fucking Broon!

          Oops! My mistake. That was Cameron.

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      Fred says:

      Shame then that the BBC has just had to publicise a recent attack on appalling standards of care within the NHS. Fantstic timing I would say.

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    Just seeking information says:

    What is Hannans “liberal view of immigration”

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    Josh says:

    So Janus himself is accusing the Tories of having two faces? That is like Ned Ludd accusing Bill Gates of being old fashioned

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    Jonathan Cook says:

    I know that I should say arse, tit and wank in the comments section and make a joke…………. but I thought that was an excellent bit of journalism Guido.

    Ta very much.

    P.S. Arse. Tit. Wank. How do your torture doors? Twist their knobs.

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    Anonymous says:

    Milton Freidman asked the question how can you have unlimited immigration and a welfare state? As Labour have proved you cannot without bankrupting the state and getting your original supportors to vote for the unmentionables.

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      Dogsbollocks says:

      Just like the SDP in Germany, watch the rise of the racist NPD especially in the east. Just like the BNP in the UK. Pissed off working class unemployed using it as an excuse. The politicians tut tut , do fuck all and blame it on the world economy.

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    Anonymous says:

    Mandleson is more odious and damaging to our democracy than Powell ever was.

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      A Pensioner says:

      Powell was one of the last Parliamentarians to understand what democracy was. Mandlesnake is just a crook.

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      Sukyspook says:

      “Mandleson is more odious and damaging to our democracy than Powell ever was.”

      Seconded, firsted and thirded.

      If this ‘entity’ is manipulated to become leader of zanuliebore and consequently becomes PM by default (God forbid) of the UK – we deserve all that’ll transpire from that moment.

      Other than our taking to the streets, isn’t there anyone ‘within’ who is brave enough and willing to actually DO SOMETHING about this ongoing coup against humanity?

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    Hugh Bristic says:

    If Edward Kennedy is claimed to be a hero by the liberal establishment, then it’s time people were able to mention the name of Enoch Powell without being branded racist.
    The BBC is doing more damage to the UK than ever Enoch Powell did.
    Hannan should be encouraged to say what he thinks, not what is politically correct.

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      St George Despairs says:

      Exactly right.

      Powell’s speech was a bit vivid but what he was saying wasn’t so far from the truth – he was worried about the future problems of assimilating large numbers of immigrants from different cultures. He was right, look at the state of today’s UK.

      To think he was concerned about a mere 50,000 or so !

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      Canary Wharf Rat says:

      He Does!

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      Hard-Lazing Voter says:

      Powell supported homosexual law reform and deeply opposed Thatcher’s economic policy. Really what this means is that Hannan’s been a filthy pinko all along and the BBC should hold him up as the ideal tory.

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        barefootcontessa says:

        There are two things which you’re not allowed to talk about in this country, …….one is immigration (if you’re not happy about it), and the other is Israel and the Zionists), if you’re not happy about them.

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    Anonymous says:

    God the liberals are pathetic. So it’s ok for McMental and Obama to talk in hero-worship ways about Ted Kennedy despite his having given such support to the IRA and leaving that poor girl to drown and not even bothering to call the police. And it’s wrong for Hannan to acknowledge some debt to Powell, a man who sacrificed his political career to try to save parliament. Some fascist lol.

    Hannan clearly has no ambitions for high office. Good. It needs somebody sometimes willing to say things that society has been conditioned to believe “wrong” in order to get them to take another look. The NHS is outperformed by the health systems in many countries. And Powell was a hero who spoke out on so many topics when nobody else dared. Fought for our country in the War, did everything a politician could to try to stop Heath ramming through EU membership.

    Mandlescum you can fuck right off you hoon – there is NOBODY more double-faced than you.

    Sorry for the angry post. Just sick to the back teeth of Lord Mangledbum, Blair, BBC, Guardian ruining this once-free country and calling anyone who disagrees a “racist”

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      Chaim Alumberajaque says:

      Aren’t most of us?

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      caesars wife says:

      the liberals have a lot to answer for , i find it funny they end up being fascists .
      Edward kennedy was a confident man and skillfull polictican , i think he does deserve some thanks for some key moments .

      but liberal politics is far from proven to deliver a worthwhile society , why do they still have No go areas and gang culture !

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        Anonymous says:

        Don’t know why you find it funny that so called liberals end up being fascists. One of the great myths is that fascism is a right-wing creed. It is of the Left and always has been. Hitler and Mussolini were Socialists, as was Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot etc.

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      Susie says:

      Firsted, seconded and thirded Anonymous.

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    A Pensioner says:

    Well said Anon.

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  18. 45
    Anonymous says:

    Is toenails back from holiday yet? You’d think he would be revelling in all this Hannan-gate stuff.

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    The PM shouldn't be disturbed but this cunt is says:

    This irritating, preening, self regarding, little shit Hannan should shut the fuck up.
    He is just another Tory extremist/weirdo from the same mould as fillyaboots Gove, a wretch

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    Fiddlesticks says:

    Someone needs to dig up the video of him on Question Time a couple of months ago, and his very passionate and lucid arguments against the racism prevalent in the BNP.
    I don’t know – we seem to spend half our time whinging when politicians don’t answer the question directly, and the other half getting all in a fluster when they do.

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    Hannan to demand Fred Goodwin get's paid 5% of Britain's GDP says:

    With friends like Hannan ?

    Britain is still waiting to hear Brown try to explain his way out of Mandelson and Prince Andrew’s Oil lobbying activities and Hanna throws Mandy this lifeline ?

    I’m sure Dave is utterly delighted that the Conservative who told the US and UK that the NHS is a mistake is now praising cuddly old uncle Enoch.

    It certainly gives more credence to the rumours the Hannan will defect to UKIP before the Election.

    He’s hardly fucking helping Cameron is he ?
    More like putting the boot into him every chance he gets before fleeing to a more prominent role in UKIP as befits his youtube status.

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      backwoodsman says:

      Read the article, the interview was long ago. It has simply been produced now by a labour spinner, for his chum in the bbc to run at what they hope will be the most damaging moment.
      I’m sure labour have a wall board listing a number of stories (many going back years), all ready to reheat .

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      The media is run by socialists therefore you think Enoch Powell was despised by the British people because the media says so. I don’t think he was. People are getting more and more tired of political correctness and claiming EP was a racist is not going to affect Hannan one bit.

      As for that wet blanket Cameron he should just try saying, in respect of Hannan, at least we have some free thinkers left in the Conservative Party rather than the toe the line Labour wankers. The NHS is shit and I wouldn’t go in a hospital, unless I was at deaths door, for fear of catching something. The staff are often rude and ignorant and treat you as if you are a bad person for coming in to their hospital when they could be doing something else. Yet David Cameron says it is wonderful.

      Surely we all want more politicians who say it as they see it so anyone accusing Daniel Hannan of damaging Cameron must think Blair had the right view of politics and we need to keep playing the games he invented. Cameron seems to think so.

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    caesars wife says:

    Funny interview for Dan , can see how labour spin desparados latched onto headline , as its a month old all I can say is hes work in progress ,MEP speaking is a little different to UK speaking , I enjoy his orations which can be mischevious and accurate , but I contrast this with Chris Graylings hard work in the shadow home office , who had to tell us what many have been seeing for years , no broad ranging liberty speech for him .
    The other thing is why should mandelson attck him and then conclude the conservatives have “two faces” , but rich for party that cannot even answer basic questions on mass murderes and how they intend to pay the debt off.

    Enoch Powell is never really fairly framed , he had a brilliant mind , was a proper constituancey MP and the house would often fill to hear him speak . Heath was choosen as Harold Wilson had been such a sucess , and yet out of the Heath Powell divide arose Margret Thatcher .

    Its funny that no one has yet thought to look at the “two faces of labour” , Blair looks now to have birthed an ecnomic policy that was at best niave , Brown a supposed intellectual collossus that delivered the structures for Blairs success .The Blairites have been stuffed by the fakeness of the Brownites ecnomics claims , the hardcore left was Browns instrument of removal of Blair .

    Cw had a few sympathies for the Blairites , who by the time they found out what the economy was going to do ,knew that the golden oppertunity they had been handed in 1997 was going to get erased , you cannot help but feel bitter that we are going to be left with debts and bare cupboard , they told us they had reformed , yet all the time they were draining every reserve and promoting a socialist structure , without explaining it in any manefesto , which is fraud and dishonesty of the electorate and democracy .

    The “two faces of labour ” Blair : a weak economist , Brown : a fixated leftest
    Mandelson is the more adept leader , but they are now so caught in there own lies whilst the country burns on this goverments continued bad decisions for political ass saving . The legacy of this goverments continued error ridden actions and inactions will make labours last ending look like a walk in the park .

    But to let them off with lying and political expediancey is perhaps how many see it , the evidence on the deliberate ruin of the Uk economy is circumstantial but mounting , but it is the scale of the mismangement and damage , the debt ridden personal finance economy , the loss of UK manufacturing , the waste and losses in the banks , the social problems beggining to build . This is not a slight slip by an otherwise competant goverment team , this is the useing of peoples futures and wealth for an unspoken political end that they were not told about , a fraud and a deception .

    labour are losing .Come conference time if he doesnt come clean , the conservatives practise statements will be all too accurate .

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      barefootcontessa says:

      The country’s up the creek without a paddle.

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    • 390

      “This is not a slight slip by an otherwise competent government team , this is the using of peoples futures and wealth for an unspoken political end that they were not told about , a fraud and a deception.”

      Well said, but you’ll never see that analysis on the BBC or even ITN, because if people realised what has been done to their futures and those of their children and grandchildren, then one really could quote Virgil, and seem to see the River Tiber foaming with much blood – not that of immigrants, but of Labour politicians.

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    St George Spits says:

    this is the useing of peoples futures and wealth for an unspoken political end that they were not told about , a fraud and a deception .

    Which nicely sums up every Labour government that’s ever held office (plus Heath’s betrayal over the EU).

    Utterly incompetent quasi-treasonous scum.

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  24. 62
    Canary Wharf Rat says:

    I watched the interview. Daniel Hannen comes across as less than a politician than you and the two twats did on LBC tonight.

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      A Pensioner says:

      Good point CWR. Dan has a very rare and valuable commodity – he comes across as sincere, and talks sense. Unlike all the other shits who come across as either liars and/or talking bollox.

      He can go far if he can be bothered.

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  25. 63
    ONE LIFE ONE VOTE says:

    O/T Gordons Democratic Elections : on the BBC today , Lash Kagar Afghanistan Out of 80,000 Eligible voters in the province . 150 bothered to vote in last weeks election ! that in my reconing is ONE British soldiers LIFE for One vote cast That is the cost of Browns So Called Democracy WHAT A FUCKING DISGRACE !Hang the bastard now !

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    • 218
      Sukyspook says:

      One Life One Vote – I think you know that “elections” are just another ‘front’ to keep our troops there.

      The main reasons our troops are there are poppies and oil – and of course, policing the world amongst other things…sigh.

      How can the US and UK keep expounding “democracy” abroad when we don’t even enjoy even a dream of said demockery here at home any longer…take the” Lisbon Treaty” for instance…

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  26. 71
    Anonymous says:

    This is where Cameron’s approach is right, and Hannan’s is wrong.

    Cameron knows that you can’t have a rational debate while labour are in power and running the bbc, because it’ll always be twisted against you by bbc/labour.

    The only thing you can do is highlight labour’s destruction of the economy/country and hope that as many people as possible manage to find their way through the bbc/labour spin and see the truth at election time.

    Hannan’s arguments might be good/fair/reasonable, but his approach at this time is completely wrong on this front; you can’t use reason/logic when it comes to discussing these matters because the bbc/labour machine will twist it; you need to specifically *not* mention some subjects (or even lie about them) to avoid the bbc/labour machine fucking you over.

    Once the tories get into power and hopefully clean-up the bbc, then hannan can speak his mind and tell the truth, but until then he needs to keep quiet on all subjects apart from mentioning how labour/brown have destroyed the enonomy/country.

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    • 74
      A Pensioner says:

      Anonymous: I suspect you are right, but its a very defeatist position. Two wongs don’t make a wight.

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    • 75
      albacore says:

      The truth shall set you free.
      Cameron has only to strike one little spark and up will go the powder keg.
      Guido can’t do it. Hannan can’t do it. Cameron won’t do it.

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      • 83
        Anonymous says:

        The truth’s already out there and everyone knows it, but it still hasn’t led to labour being forced out of power because as a country we’re too feeble to have a revolution to physically oust a corrupt/evil government.

        An economy ruined by a negligent government, an unelected PM who usurped an elected leader in a truly evil/vindictive/spiteful coup, a government actively causing the death of its own soldiers by its sheer negligence and the refusal to listen to anyone (and then trying to smear the soldiers in a bid to avoid having to answer awkward questions), massive tax fraud by all the MPs, a national broadcaster that’s blatantly/openly campaigning for labour and spinning against all opposition, and the blatant “procurement” curruption….I mean, you could go on forever; there are 100’s of aspects that labour should have been ousted over. For fuck’s sake, brown even swindled the g20 with his double-counting bullshit.

        Not many americans follow international politics, but those that do are most likely thinking this of us:
        “you fucking feeble arseholes; you deserve everything you get. If we’d had these people in charge there would have been 20 million people on the white house lawn storming the building.”

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          RIVERS OF CURRY says:

          Imagine the scene The Tank’s Roll up Out Side No10, The Officer walks in Through the front door. shortly he returns Dragging McMental By His Left Ear . The Crowd WHich Is Now Bigger Than The VE Day Crowd of 1945 Cheers And wave Their Union Jacks The Two Jolly Police men Laugh and Point as Brown Is Dragged Down Whitehall By The Crowd Bitch Slapped And Arse Kiced As He Goes Once On Westminster bridge the crowd falls silent Any Last Words Brown Is Asked? Yes ! People Of…… SPLASH ! Brown dissapears below the murky waters of the thames the crowd surge forward hogging the railings and wait and wait and wait ! Then a lone voice say’s Ah well another Labour lie ! Shit Don’t Always Float !

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          Sukyspook says:

          Anon 83 – brilliantly said and whilst reading your post I was listening to Jeff Rense, US Internet talk show host who asked a UK interviewee:

          “do Brits realise Mandleson is running their country”!!

          http://www.rense.com

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        • 245
          Pontius The Pilot says:

          [[standing ovation]]

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        • 255
          albacore says:

          Cameron’s been handed on a plate the chance to be one of the great Parliamentarians.
          Instead he sits there like pork.
          It would take a Semtex suppository to shift him and his motley crew of layabouts.

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        • 312
          barefootcontessa says:

          Great post,….. clap clap clap!

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        • 344
          Australian says:

          albacore:

          “Instead he sits there like pork.”

          That’s not going to win him many votes with our mohameddan friends, is it?

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        • 354
          albacore says:

          Quelle Dommage!
          I should think Cameron’s done enough ingratiating himself with that quarter to last a lifetime.
          “Not for the first time, I found myself thinking that it is mainstream Britain which needs to integrate more with the British Asian way of life, not the other way around.”
          http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2007/may/13/comment.communities

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    • 84
      Hard-Lazing Voter says:

      I’ll vote Tory for the rest of my life if Cameron privatises the BBC.

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      • 121
        nell says:

        I shall anyway – but if they privatise the BBC , and I hope they will, that’ll be a bonus.

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      • 373
        Anonymous says:

        too bad
        he won’t
        neither will he scrap the nhs or ever claim enoch was a political hero of his
        he wants to get elected not mocked

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    • 150
      Mick says:

      You are completely wrong and seek to perpetuate the cowardice of Cameron.

      When the opposition are intent on trying to twist every word you say is exactly the time to have a rational debate. The opposition are so busy trying to twist what you say they forget to engage in the debate.

      Hanan is a classic example of someone who is winning the debate through the default of the government to engage.

      Fuck what the other side are trying to twist, just come on out and say what you believe in.

      Labour are shit scared to voice an opinion mainly because they forget what they are supposed to believe n

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      • 169
        barefootcontessa says:

        Why can’t new labour break in to two parties, conservatives break in to two parties, then with libdems, ukip, greens, and bip, we’d have at least 8 parties to choose from?

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      • 180
        Rip Van Winkle says:

        ‘Labour are shit scared to voice an opinion mainly because they forget what they are supposed to believe n’

        You mean they believe in something other than power for power’s sake?

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      • 214
        Steve Expat says:

        The majority of the people are now seeing through the spin and lies perpetuated by Liebour. Someone like Hannan might have different views to you or I, but at least he has honesty on his side, rather than the mindless repetition of the Party Line that defines recent politics…

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  27. 76
    Hard-Lazing Voter says:

    Ah, Fondlebum.

    “Yet again, we are seeing the two faces of the LabourParty. The one they want to present to the public and the one which does deals with Gaddafi and sucks off Obama-supporting Hollywood execs.”

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    • 79
      Trough Mixture says:

      Discussions on Deep Packet Inspection? Bad Phorm that! Harrumph….

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      • 216
        Steve Expat says:

        Very bad Phorm indeed. Another few million young people’s votes lost from Liebour thanks to sucking the cock of the media whores

        (Trying to think of a joke involving DPI and Mandlebum)

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  28. 88
    finger of fudge says:

    Peter Mandenstone used to have a moosetache

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  29. 90
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Powell was the youngest Professor in a Commwealth/Empire university in 1939.

    He returned to the UK to join up as a Private and by the end of the war was a Brigadier in the Army, few civilians reached that rank.

    There is much more to Powell than that Rivers of Blood speech.

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    • 92
      Jim Porker, Labour MP for Dagenham East says:

      BUT HE WAS RACIST

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        RIVERS OF CURRY says:

        Tell the families of the London Bombings That Powel was wrong !

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        • 112
          Cuse says:

          Don’t be such a Tit.

          How about changing your moniker to “Produce of Rivers of Inbreeding”?

          It defines you better.

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        • 114
          RIVERS OF CURRY says:

          All Fucking Do Gooders Should Be Shot! Go Pitch Yer Tent At blackheath You Dick

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          Sukyspook says:

          Rivers of Curry #95

          “Tell the families of the London Bombings That Powel was wrong !”

          One of the ‘alleged’ bombers was a teaching assistant in Leeds which means he will have had to have a CRB check (criminal records bureau).
          Proof, if proof were needed that CRB checks are about as much use as a chocolate fireguard; just another stealth tax; an invasion of privacy and a tool to remove all semblance of trust and responsibility from our society.

          ORWELL WOULD HAVE BEEN SO PROUD….but what would Enoch have said…

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    • 99
      A Pensioner says:

      It is time Powell was rehabilitated. One of the last truly great English patriots.

      A gentleman and a scholar. Can Prescott speak ancient Greek & Latin?

      The twats who choose to distort what he said don’t deserve to clean his boots.

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      • 133
        nell says:

        prezza can’t even speak english without mangling his sentences. I’ve no idea what the chinese will make of him when they get him lecturing in their universities.

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        • 153
          Engineer says:

          Pity the poor translator. They’ll have to find one that speaks Chinese, English and Prezza. Bet they’re rare.

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      • 174
        barefootcontessa says:

        Prezza is deeply in to warning the world about global warming. He should cut down on his own consumption of meat pies first.

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        • 266
          Sukyspook says:

          Agreed Contessa – I notice prezza’s new global warming career was launched this very morning – JEEZ!! Jobs for the boys – or should that be ‘brothers’…

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        • 388
          Augeas says:

          Another wonderful example of NuLab doublespeak. Prescott posturing as saviour of the planet after leaving his two jags with their engines running and wrecking our environment whenever he got the chance.

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  30. 93
    genghiz the kahn says:

    Hat tip to the poster on pb who has inconveniently pointed out a very unhelpful Telegraph article –

    “Last night the Cabinet Office released papers which showed that Lord Jones, a trade minister, visited Tripoli in May last year to talk to business representatives.

    In November last year Dawn Primarolo, then a health minister, held bilateral talks with the Libyan prime minister and the Secretary of the General People’s Committee. Her boss, Alan Johnson also met Libyan health ministers at the World Health Assembly held in Geneva last year.

    In addition, Bill Rammell, the Foreign Office Minister, held bi-lateral talks with foreign ministers in the Libyan capital in February 2009.

    The row over the release of Abdelbaset Ali Mohamed al Megrahi has led to questions about whether the Government had done a deal with Colonel Gaddafi’s regime involving lucrative trade contracts in exchange for Megrahi’s release.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/6094986/Four-Labour-ministers-met-Libyans-before-bombers-release.html

    will this keep Brown off the airwaves?

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    Sunday Morning says:

    Here’s what Tony Blair said about Enoch Powell…

    “….he was one of the great figures of 20th-century British politics, gifted with a brilliant mind…. there was no doubting the strength of his convictions or their sincerity, or his tenacity in pursuing them, regardless of his own political self-interest.”

    Is it materially different?

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    • 105
      Anonymous says:

      No it is not.

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        barefootcontessa says:

        Yes but time’s moved on, and we can say far less about immigration and Enoch Powell now than he could then.

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      Augeas says:

      But Tony’s a regular kinda guy, y’know? So all the stooges that came out of the woodwork to lick Mandelson’s arse this morning think it is all right for him to say it.

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    It wasnt me it was the other three says:

    O/T But Mrs (Expensess) Keen had a private meeting with Thames Water on the 22nd of August and has approved thier plan to expand the Mogden Water treatment plant or s..t if you prefer. Despite local residents opposing it local comunity groups oposing it in fact in her wisdon she has decided not even to bother to talk to local community groups. But then its not in her back garden as her and husband dont even live in the area any more

    http://www.brentfordtw8.com/default.asp?section=community&link=http://nnet-server.com/server/common/mogden006.htm

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  33. 102
    SupossiTory says:

    I think Colin Moynihan should make a return to front line politics, the Conservatives can surely make use of the skills he aquired as a lightweight cox

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  34. 103
    backwoodsman says:

    Oh dear, those inconvenient nhs customers have just put the boot in, in no uncertain terms – kind of undermines the beeboid / nulab co-ordinated attack on Hannan for daring to criticise the nhs doesn’t it !

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  35. 104
    Let's criminalise free speech says:

    It is fast becoming the case that to agree with Enoch Powell is becoming an imprisonable offence.

    I haven’t listened to Hannan but if Mandelson is attacking him, then on principle well done Hannan

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    • 118
      RIVERS OF CURRY says:

      Back in the Great Mr Powell’s DayThis country Still Had” Freedom Of Speech” ! Which Without It There Is No democracy !

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      • 122
        Cuse says:

        Or how about “Rivers of Latent Homosexuality”?

        That’ll help you down the next BNP meet ‘n’ greet.

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        • 166
          RIVERS OF CURRY says:

          Its Dribbling Out The Corner Of Your Mouth Gayboy Make Your Mind Up Swallow Or Spit ?

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        • 175
          stilyagi_air_corps says:

          Your Homophobia sickens me! Since when has alternate sexuality been an acceptable label of offence – oh yeah, when it’s done by a leftwing c**ksucker or one of its pet minorities. They get all the fun *and* get to feel self-righteous about it afterwards.

          Jews next, then we can take the piss out of old people and poor white unemployed.

          Fascist scum.

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        • 186
          barefootcontessa says:

          Sadly, that’s men for you. And before I get hit by all the inevitable brick bats,………. a large percentage of men.

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        • 209
          RIVERS OF CURRY says:

          Wrong i aint no Homophobe ! I am just defending myself against an attack by Some Nobody Who Does Not Agree With Freedom Of Speech Unless You Agree With What He Spouts Check Posts !

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        • 213
          RIVERS OF CURRY says:

          The Word Curry Is Now A Racist Slur !

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  36. 106
    SupossiTory says:

    Fuck off BBC

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  37. 108
    Talwin says:

    Seems to me that this predictable huffing and puffing by Labour will be seen , yet again, as no more than desperate, hypocritical, pre-election floundering. That is, if anyone cares a monkey’s.

    The vast majority who were not adult in 1968 when the speech was given will know little of Enoch Powell and will probably care less. If, however, they ask someone who was around at the time, there is a very good chance that, with the added benefit of hindsight, that person will say, “Powell talked about controlling immigration. And he wasn’t far wrong. Same sort of thing Labour talk about now but have done fuck all about”.

    Mandelson: opportunist tosser.

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  38. 109
    Cuse says:

    I haven’t commented on this blog for ages. You’ve drawn me back in, you cuddly Coulson-lover!

    Guido (I won’t refer to you as your real name, despite your use of it in your new-found BBC celebrity status because I know you don’t like that and will moderate the comment) you’re becoming more and more erratic.

    Hannan is a bona-fide loon. To try and counter another outrageous stunt by this odious little man, you spin it as “Nu-Labour attack dogs/Hannan more liberal than Labour”.

    Personally, I’m enjoying little Dan’s 20 seconds of fame. It’s re-iterating to anyone with any semblance of intelligence that Tories don’t change – they’ll always be shit-headed little ratbags.

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    • 200
      stilyagi_air_corps says:

      You sad ex-Cuse for a troll! Admit it, you only came here because your little tribe of True Believers is shrinking so fast through natural attrition and disillusionment you’ve ended up talking to yourself at meetings again. Personally, I’m enjoying seeing British Socialism back where it belongs – the *stupor mundi*, and its laughing stock.

      It keeps happening, doesn’t it? I wonder why that is…

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      • 230
        Cuse says:

        Brilliant!

        Trolls, Dolly, Self-hate, Nu-Zan-Lie-Bore etc etc

        The only True Believers I know are the ones in the ECB.

        I feel your hate. It makes me happy.

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    • 242
      Carlos Marcos says:

      I haven’t commented on this blog for ages.

      At least, not under the Cuse moniker. The personal smears and lack of substance are the giveaways.

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      • 251
        Cuse says:

        Hey Carlos, how’s it hanging?

        So wonderful to know I’m remembered!

        Who’s your favourite right-wing nutjob this week?

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    • 350
      Australian says:

      @Cuse (aka “Jonty-prat”):

      “Hannan is a bona-fide loon. ”

      Why? I challenge you to point out one statement Hannan has made that would justify your pathetic assertion.

      Go on – just one.

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      • 361
        Cuse says:

        “The NHS is the world’s 3rd largest employer”

        And another, just because I’m pedantic. Master Hannan, on the miraculous Icelandic economy, just before it went the way of the Dodo:

        “Reykjavik has boomed, and Icelanders have become the happiest, most successful and freest people in Europe. In two generations, you have gone from subsistence farming and fishing to a global service economy…”

        Ooops.

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      • 375
        Cuse says:

        BTW

        Jonty-prat?

        LOVING your work.

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  39. 110
    Sir William Waad says:

    You see why Mr Hannan is in the silly European Parliament rather than the relatively sensible UK Parliament. You can also see why party leaders become control freaks. Unless they shepherd and supervise their troops and remind them wash their hands after going to the lavatory, which fork to use and so on, some chump will let the side down like this. Clot.

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    • 123
      A Pensioner says:

      WW: why do you feel the need to appeal to the lowest common denominator?

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      • 168
        Sir William Waad says:

        It’s because the lowest common denominator has a vote. The Conservatives can achieve nothing unless they are voted into power with a clear majority. Therefore, at this stage, getting elected takes priority. That may involve not blurting out everything that pops into one’s head. It shouldn’t involve lying or making promises that you have no intention of keeping but it should involve a degree of self-control and loyalty on the part of those Conservatives who are in the public view. If the public do not like green ties, don’t wear a green tie even if you like green ties. I agree with Hannan in most of the things he says, but I do not agree with him handing opportunities to a piece of slime like Mandelson.

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          A Pensioner says:

          Well…there is some peverse logic here. The man who speaks the truth is derided as a clot, whereas you are prepared to break bread with the enemy who speaks lies.

          WW you are speaking from your arse not your brain.

          When the people of the UK have to be mis-lead – as you are suggesting – then its time to throw in the towel.

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        • 414
          GR52 says:

          He takes the conservative whip but seems happier with policies and statements the party leader will have nothing to do with because cameron at least knows how to get elected to a real parliament

          get back to posturing on fox tv and claiming expenses in the EU mr hannan

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    • 137
      Engineer says:

      Why is Hannan a clot? He said what he honestly believed. Others have ‘spun’ what he said, and the mere fact that he said it. Which is worse, saying with honesty something that may be contentious or may provoke debate, or smearing the speaker and twisting his words?

      The fact that the Labour spin machine is so desperate to bad-mouth Hannan is a good indication of their fear of his oratory and their inability to counter his arguments rationally, and hold an honest debate.

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  40. 111
    The "Angry Aberdonian" says:

    ENOCH POWELL! There, I said it.

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      Australian says:

      Well done AA.

      Now you are free like the rest of us who don’t kowtow to MangledScum and AljaBeeba.

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  41. 116
    Scenic says:

    On 27 July 1959 Powell gave his speech on Hola Camp of Kenya, where eleven Mau Mau were killed after refusing work in the camp. Powell noted that some MPs had described the eleven as “sub-human” but Powell responded by saying: “In general, I would say that it is a fearful doctrine, which must recoil upon the heads of those who pronounce it, to stand in judgment on a fellow human being and to say, ‘Because he was such-and-such, therefore the consequences which would otherwise flow from his death shall not flow’.” Powell also disagreed with the notion that because it was in Africa then different methods were acceptable:

    “Nor can we ourselves pick and choose where and in what parts of the world we shall use this or that kind of standard. We cannot say, ‘We will have African standards in Africa, Asian standards in Asia and perhaps British standards here at home’. We have not that choice to make. We must be consistent with ourselves everywhere. All Government, all influence of man upon man, rests upon opinion. What we can do in Africa, where we still govern and where we no longer govern, depends upon the opinion which is entertained of the way in which this country acts and the way in which Englishmen act. We cannot, we dare not, in Africa of all places, fall below our own highest standards in the acceptance of responsibility.”

    Denis Healey, MP from 1952 to 1992, later said this speech was “the greatest parliamentary speech I ever heard… it had all the moral passion and rhetorical force of Demosthenes”. The Daily Telegraph report of the speech said that “as Mr Powell sat down, he put his hand across his eyes. His emotion was justified, for he had made a great and sincere speech”.

    Obviously a racist

    Powell was a great parliamentarian and old school politician of the war generation, it seems odd saying that you admire him is outrageous when he lived a life that give much scope for admiration, would saying you admire genuinely vile creatures like mandlebum and millipede garner the same ridiculous responses in the media?

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      RIVERS OF CURRY says:

      Great Post !

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        Australian says:

        Agreed – thanks for posting it Scenic.

        Interesting to note that at least Dennis Healey knew of Demosthenes. How many ZaNuLab members and apologists today would know anything of the Classics?

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    • 126
      RIVERS OF CURRY says:

      Great Post !Had to repeat Because of moderation ???

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      • 135
        Cuse says:

        Or How about “Rivers of Cock”?

        Wear it proudly on a badge the next time you’re posting shit through your neighbour’s letter boxes!

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        • 146
          Engineer says:

          You are another one who has clearly never read, or thought about the content of, Powell’s ‘Rivers of Blood’ speech. Your knee-jerk response does you no credit.

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        • 178
          RIVERS OF CURRY says:

          Now Now Dont Be Silly ! You Wouldn’t Fit Through My Neighbours Letter boxes !

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        • 184
          Cuse says:

          Rivers – arf arf.

          I laughed so much, I nearly used the phrase “indiginous population”.

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          stilyagi_air_corps says:

          Cuse – for someone so homophobic, you certainly talk a lot of cock!

          As for shit through letterboxes, I had no idea there was a new New Labour manifesto on its way. Early election? Freudian slip?

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        • 215
          Cuse says:

          Winding you lot up is so wonderfully self-edifying.

          You’ll be onto Dolly next.

          Whatever next – will Coulson get Hasbro to manufacture a wind-up talking Hannan doll so all you Tory monkeys can buy one to cuddle at night?

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        • 261
          Hard-Lazing Voter says:

          Cuse has a artery about to burst.

          Protip: most BNP voters are disillusioned Labour cretins.

          Suck that down.

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      • 163
        RIVERS OF CURRY says:

        Talking Of Cock’s How are you ? You freeloading Do Gooder Tree Hugging c*nt Go Back to SellingThe socilist Worker Or Big Issue Which Ever It Is ! Nobody with half a brain Would Still Defend This Shower Of Shit You Think Is a party ! Is it Not Time For You To Sign On ?

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        • 181
          Cuse says:

          Or how about “Rivers of Richard Littlejohn’s Pasty Naked Flesh On My PC Hard Disk”?

          It beats watching the BBC doesn’t it, furiously pleasuring yourself over Britain’s Number 1 racist pin-up?

          And I don’t sell Socialist Worker.

          I sell dreams…

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        • 197
          RIVERS OF CURRY says:

          You Have A Serious Problem You Closet Fag ! Time For You To Go Down To Your Local Public Lav And Get yourself Sorted Out. You Fucking Sicko !
          Pulling your “Little John” Over Little John ? You Need treatment !

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        • 201
          Cuse says:

          Or how about “Rivers of self-loathing wrapped in a deep-rooted and juvenile distrust of anyone who is different to me”?

          You could tattoo that one on your buttocks the next time you self-flagellate?

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        • 203
          Cuse says:

          There’s a lot of hate in this room guys.

          A lot of hate.

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        • 226
          RIVERS OF CURRY says:

          YOU Fucking Idiot ! Your Whole Argument Just Died Right There ! With “Distrust Of Anyone Different Than Me !” You Dont Like The Mention Of “Freedom Of Speech So You Start To Call People Offensive Names ! Eat Shit And Die ! You Perfectly Normal Sraight, Decent Humanbeing Got To Go And Work Now (thats how most people pay for things We Dont All Sponge off The State You Know ! Bye Bye !

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        • 232
          Cuse says:

          Or how about “By the Rivers of Babylon…Where We Lay Down…”

          You could wear that badge when you go down the BNP disco’s down in deepest Essex. The boys would love that Rivers, they really would…

          Ciao! I’m reading the Guardian and drinking champagne, for that is my work.

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      • 359
        Cuse says:

        Hard-Lazing Labour Voter eh?

        CRIKEY that’s a clever moniker. How long did that take to come up with?

        Anyway, no arteries bursting here.

        Just my nuts over pictures of Theresa May.

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        • 392
          Augeas says:

          Sorry Cuse, whichever minor Labour party or union officer you are, I am struggling to follow you. You say you sell dreams, well didn’t you sell them 12 years ago? I must admit I was almost taken in and was quite pleased that Blair won, to get rid of the sleazy, apparently discredited Major government.
          Well now most people that bought your dreams are asking for their money back, as they turned into nightmares. Mass unemployment, bankrupt public finances, and an army of useless bureaucrats, as well as two misjudged and underfunded military adventures. Not to mention the sleaze, from mortgages to Ecclestone, to Hinduja to troughing in both Houses.
          So there is no place for you or your pathetic little gags here. The Conservatives will be the next government, whatever you say or do (sorry tat I wouldn’t mind a hung parliament but I don’t think it will happen) so the job is to kick and prod Cameron into putting together a team that is competent to run the country, if he can.

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          barefootcontessa says:

          Very well said Aug.

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          GR52 says:

          cameron’s team don’t make blundering statements that contradict everything he has been working for

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    • 140
      Phil O'Pastree says:

      The left branded him a racist and this slur has stuck because there are few with the courage to defend him lest they are also tarred with the same brush.

      If a lie is repeated long enough and ofetn enough, it becomes accepted as the truth.

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      Hugh Janus says:

      ++Applause++

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      Steve Expat says:

      Well said. The fact that the modern lefties want to call him recist doesn’t mean that he is or was racist

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  42. 119
    Anonymous says:

    A quick scan of some comments and it seems that we are in a police state , as it seems Mr hannan is not allowed any other view than the goverments, Welcome to hell

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      barefootcontessa says:

      Police state? Yes, the climate protesters in London have all been photographed. You couldn’t make it up! But the football hooligans fought openly in the street, and the police stood by.

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  43. 120
    Anonymous says:

    This is already ‘breaking news’ on the Guardian, and I’ve posted it to the BBC so that they can pick it up for a sensible, reasonable and balanced discussion. Yay !

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  44. 125
    Anonymous says:

    The ticker on BBC news reads:

    “Latest: Labour have criticized a Tory MEP who cited Enoch Powell as an imfluence [sic]”

    well in guys, so eager to get the story out you can’t spell

    this is then followed by the massive story;

    “Latest: A businessman has left a remote Scottish island he used to kick a 30 – a – day smoking habit”

    Abolish the pointless BBC, waste of money, manipulative Hunts.

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      Anonymous says:

      Has Cameron ever addressed the massive bias which is present in the BBC. It infects our whole political culture.

      Given how they are grasping at anything now that they think will hurt the Conservatives and ignoring anything bad about Crash Gordon suggests the next 10 months or whatever it is will be painful to watch.

      There must be some way to start a mass movement to get it abolished. If only for the unfairness of the way “hard working families” on low pay have to stump up so much money for government propaganda.

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  45. 127

    So what’s wrong with praising aspects of Powell and his thinking? Is everything he thought or did wrong, because of one speech and the way it was recieved? Fuck that. Hitler made motorways – good decision that. National parks too – well done Adolf. Stalin went on a crash electrification programme – very good move, set the USSR up for WW2. Nice one Joe. Pol Pot was good to his mum. Can I say these things?

    The BBC and Labour can go fuck off – no one is interested in what they or their puke-inducing little pals like Sunny Hundal say. It may be thought politically unwise to offer disreputable foes a potential attack point – but so what? Stifling discussion simply to win an election doesn’t seem like a good bargain to me. And let’s face it, Dave is going to win no matter what.

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  46. 128
    Anonymous says:

    This is going to get your hit counter revving this morning…

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  47. 129
    Gordon is a Fart In A Trance says:

    Ever since Mr Hannan stuck the boot into a squirming Brown at the EP labour have been trying to bring about his downfall and start a war between Hannan and Cameron. I pray they don’t succeed.
    Labour are on the brink of an enormous election defeat and the Country is on its knees and the best they can do is have a go at a Conservative MEP. Come on Labour – we all know you are utterly shite but you will have to be the opposition soon – the way you are going the Tories will have a clean sweep and we may as well put Noddy and Big Ears in opposition for as much use as you will be.

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      Phil O'Pastree says:

      The fuckers are desparate and the old racist slur card is being played again. They have nothing else but lies.

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        Gordon is a Fart In A Trance says:

        nearly a week for Brown to utter anything about Lockerbie (albeit what he did say was tosh) – Hannan draws breath and Mandy legs it out to have a go – what a crock – 1st PMQ’s – Brown should receive a standing ovation for turning up and then everyone might as well go home – it’s a load of crap.

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      nell says:

      Yes. Well said.

      This is the 2nd time labour have attempted to attack Hannan. gordon is a known grudge carrier – offend him , and Hannan did in the european parliament, and he will forever try to spin and smear against you.

      Even his own colleagues on the labour side have complained of this odious very unattractive habit of his. gordon is not fit to be pm and never was.

      As for enoch – it looks as though he could give passionate and eloquent speeches – something this labour crew cannot do. Was he racist because he had a view on controlling immigration? It doesn’t appear so from what I’ve read. Am I racist because I also believe there should be controls on immigration? No.

      mandy is being childish.

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      Hard-Lazing Voter says:

      Under that smirk was a lot of rage.

      If only he had a phone to lob.

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    Anonymous says:

    117 – it is not that they ‘cannot spell’ so much as that it is sometimes easy to make typographical errors when typing with one hand and bashing the bish with barely contained nervous excitement with the other..

    Don’t you know you want to ‘spank the monkey’ !!

    [with apologies to Peter Gabriel..]

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  49. 154
    Susannah says:

    Enoch Powell wasn’t all bad.
    The NHS isn’t all good.
    Ted Kennedy wasn’t a saint

    Will Mandy cut off my internet connection for this heresy?

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      barefootcontessa says:

      Probably, …..after all he is the new newlabour uncrowned king. Or to put it another way, our new newlabour unelected dictator. When are those miserable little ‘scaredy’ pathetic newlabour backbenchers going to put their heads above the parapet and say “enough is enough?”

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      Trinny says:

      Enoch Powell was a political hero of mine
      The NHS was a mistake

      Will Mandy cut off my internet connection for this heresy?

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  50. 156
    Anonymous says:

    “on immigration he was on the record as taking the Friedmanite free market liberal view rather than the restrictive Powellite stance.”

    Oh dear, and there was me thinking that at last we had a sensible, intelligent and honest politician.

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  51. 167

    There was a hell of a lot more to Enoch Powells career than his ‘Rivers of Blood’ speech. He was a hell of a politician which ‘most’ right thinking individuals would simply ‘have’ to respect.
    I think more people should stand up and be counted to restore this ‘great’ political figures reputation to that which it rightfully desrves.

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  52. 170
    TomTom says:

    We send British troops to Afghanistan but if Taliban want to live in Bradford they face no restrictions and get the benefits system explained in their own dialect. Have all the doyens of Media-Politics Complex had their brains completely atrophied ?

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      Talwin says:

      Atrophied? No. But in the main they’ve done fuck all and seen fuck all at first hand. So, applauded and encouraged by their ilk, they do the only thing they can; they talk and write about things. Easy.

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    Harvey Tuckett says:

    Remember Powell being interviewed on TV by Brian Walden and found him very heavy going.
    After being asked a question, he would give a very convoluted answer leaving one a little bit unsatisfied. Not really being any wiser after the interview than you where before it sort of thing.
    His ‘Rivers of Blood Speech’ was, and still is very popular with many people, especially the older generation who said what they thought and where not shackled by all this modern PC stuff.

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  54. 173
    Odds Bodkins says:

    This is a typically cheap smear by the smarmy traitors at New Labour.

    Enoch Powell had more ability in his big toe than Mandelson’s entire flabby body. If Powell were alive today he would be incensed by Mandelson’s betrayal of British interests.

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  55. 177

    There was a hell of a lot more to Enoch Powells career than his ‘Rivers of Blood’ speech. He was a hell of a politician which ‘most’ right thinking individuals would simply ‘have’ to respect.
    I think more people should stand up and be counted to restore this ‘great’ political figures reputation to that which it rightfully desrves.

    Sorry if I’ve duplicated my reply, but IE crashed when I submitted my original reply :-((

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  56. 188
    Has anyone seen Mike Hunt says:

    Are any of us allowed a different view to the goverments? Is this what we have become

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      EUSSR Ministry of Love says:

      Vee know your ISP.

      Stand to attention, our Operatives will visit you shortly for Re_Edukation.

      It is not your fault.

      The enemy of European Unity has corrupted you.

      We can cure you.

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        Has anyone seen Mike Hunt says:

        I didnt say i was anti europe , Just that any debate is turned and spun in traiter talk

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  57. 190
    Steve Flanigan says:

    Hannan has unwittingly highlighted the ineptitude of Labour rationalisation, not by his words, but by Labour’s dogmatic reactions. The unwillingness for the common man to read more than “Headlines” or the size of some mid-east tits is a symptom of ignorance and the fact that breasts take presidence over substance. If all policy was made of silicon and flashed across the Sun it would overwhelmingly be elected to Westminster – as if there are not enough tits there already!!!!

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  58. 193
    CB says:

    In 1964 Powell wrote “I have and always will set my face like flint against making any difference between one citizen of this country and another on grounds of his origins.”
    Some racist!

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      Talwin says:

      Hush, CB. This sort of stuff is off-Labour message. A prototype ‘inconvenient truth’.

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      Harriet Hatemen says:

      Looks like you need diversity re-education.

      This subject has now been resolved by the Labour party. Just like the NHS. Accept it’s the best possible system ever, or you’re an extremist. We will re-educate you to ignore the facts and consider Powell a “racist”.

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  59. 196
    Galvanised apathy says:

    What was the topic again?

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  60. 199
    Has anyone seen Mike Hunt says:

    will there be a twitter campaign ?

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  61. 202
    anonymous says:

    Breaking News

    A labour spokesman has said how pleased he is that 78,935 students have got top marks in their exams even though only 56,190 tyook the exams!!

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      6-year-old says:

      A* maths all round!

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    • 259
      Watch the Skies! says:

      A lesson in math[s]

      Calculate 15/80 000.

      Express this as a percentage.

      Given this rate of attrition, how many soldiers would be required to achieve the percentage turnout at the last UK election (61.4%)?

      Now present this figure as “a success for democracy” (150 words)

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      • 272
        Ed Bollocks says:

        I’m sorry but you are wrong. Not merely in fact but in existence. I have to support my learned friend above who correctly indicates by the highlighting the figures that governemnt education policy is working for all of our children irrespective of their age and ability and understanding of our examination system which was born of a thoroughbred and incisive dip into the means by which we as a government continue to to push back the barriers of lunacy and indifference in a country where only the cleverest will rise to the top like what I have. Is that 150 words? I hope so just to prove to you that I know what I am talking about.

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  62. 204
    Hard-Lazing Voter says:

    It’s funny cos Hannan doesn’t agree with Enoch on immigration.

    But then let’s not let facts get in the way of a good Labour lie.

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  63. 211
    SupossiTory says:

    By politicising institutions such a the BBC, Nu Labour are paving the way for extremism

    Andrew Marr may be a sweaty palmed nonce and there may be a whole raft of Head Girl lefty bints who troll out Mandelstones propaganda, but these can be removed very quickly. The BBC does not have the checks and balances in places to be a political mouthpiece.

    It is a bit like having a pick axe handle under the bed to hit a burglar with, all is OK as long as you can keep control of it, but things can get out of shape very quickly in the wrong hands. Wrong hand could use the tool in far more imaginative ways

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  64. 212

    Put a trilby on mandlebums and some fuzz under his nose and he could pass for a 21st Century Enoch.. or is that Eunoch? .

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      Charles Flaccidwidger says:

      Put come concrete boots on and drop him in the Thames and he could be a 21st Century Jimmy Hoffa. Just a thought.

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        Australian says:

        Fill his pockets with bricks and hang him under Blackfriars Bridge and he could be a 21st Century Roberto Calvi.

        Now there’s an idea…

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  65. 223
    jez says:

    The man has guts. He possesses a quality that the current occupants of Downing St wouldn’t recognise if they were forced fed it: “integrity” He’s a seriously impressive gent. So was Enoch Powell. No doubt he’ll be demonized by the disgusting Lord Mandleson and his equally repulsive colleagues. Wish there were more like him. Cameron take note.

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    • 237
      Cuse says:

      Dave has taken note.

      It reads:

      “Must ‘off’ that rascal Daniel Hannan. He’s bally taking my headlines – it simply won’t do! How am I meant to be the number 1 chap in this bally party if this rascally rascal keeps getting Guido’s lot all frothing at the mouth. Mr Coulson, Sir – could you ring Guido to get him to stop ‘bigging-up’ (note to self – good youth speak Davey) this awful Daniel. Sorry to ask Andy. Yes I will get back to licking your shoes now Andy. Sorry, Andrew.”

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  66. 231

    [...] Guido offers one (supportive) interpretation, Mark Hanson the other. [...]

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  67. 233
    Moley says:

    The problem for the Conservatives is not Dan Hannan, the problem is a left wing biased media and people who cannot think for themselves.

    Trying to stop everybody from saying anything in case it is seized on and distorted by the Labour spin machine and grabbed by the left wing media is going to play into Labour’s hands.

    Hannan has the right approach. There is a rebellion against political correctness, his views have a lot of support and are getting good publicity and exposure.

    Everybody should be honest, open, and keep on talking,and the aim should be to expose the Labour spin and smears for what they are, and get the message across by wrapping it up in a way that the media cannot resist. Enoch Powell only offended against political correctness, everybody knows that, although they might pretend otherwise. I have yet to hear of anybody who was genuinely offended by his speech.

    The Conservatives should keep reminding everybody of McBride and his links to the top of the Labour party and the fact that lies and smear feature large in the Labour machine. Truth and accuracy are totally ignored.

    Good post Guido.

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      Cuse says:

      Hear Hear!

      The Left-wing biaised media of the Mail, Express, Telegraph, Sun, Star, Times, Economist and Standard – as well as Fox and Sky – are all so blasted left-wing!

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        EUSSR Ministry of Love says:

        Our comrades at the BBC have a far bigger global reach than all of these gadfly dead tree press outlets put together.

        Resistance is futile.

        We ARE the media elite.

        We ARE the political elite.

        You WILL be assimilated.

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      • 250
        Carlos Marcos says:

        How’s life on the Mirror?

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      • 253
        Moley says:

        Read the article in the Mail which is anonymous and very poorly researched; then read the comments.

        In this case the message from the comments is loud and clear and it fully supports what I said.

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          Hard-Lazing Voter says:

          Ssssh! Cos news companies are owned by big bad korporats, they are obviously right-wing.

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      barefootcontessa says:

      The problem is,…… the whole political system. It won’t,…. daren’t, …. allow original thinking. Original thinkers within any of the political parties are always outlawed. Politicians are elected from different parts of the country, they are all different people with different backgrounds with different outlooks on life, but they are put in to a party mould, and with the help of the whips, taught to follow the party line. It’s a foolish, tribal, old fashioned system.

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  68. 238
    Hugh Janus says:

    Sorry Guido, this is O/T, but a good demolition job by Peter Hoskin of a Grauniad article by The Testicular One….

    http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/5290363/exam-result-shock-balls-fails.thtml

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  69. 246
    altruism rules in the uk says:

    oh dear……the racist card comes out again…….

    when will everyone see that the importing of foriegners to Britain inthe 50’s and 60’s was not to help our brothers but to financially exploit them and put two fingers up to the locals?

    it is still the same today……whether from poland or spain or asia etc.people are brought in to work cheaply or to suit a political purpose.ie labour bring in staff from around the world to work in the nhs-they then bang on about how marvellous it is.the tories would do this,that,burn children at the stake etc……
    (antoninous blair came out with his 24 hours to save the nhs bollocks)..

    meanwhile thousands of qualified brits cannot find work.

    how on earth is meddlesome in the front line of everything?

    he and brown are surely the modern day burke and hair……..?
    you can decide who is who yourselves

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    • 260
      Has anyone seen Mike Hunt says:

      We had “unpratiotic” about the nhs and now Racist , How low can labour and co go ?

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  70. 252
    tired and jaded says:

    The British are a tribe, but ‘Britain’ is just an economy.

    Powell was a tribal leader and represented the interests of the people.

    Most politicians preen themselves on their ability to run the ecomomy, even if it means consigning millions of Britons to the scrap heap while employment opportunities are taken up by immigrants.

    Which has greater priority: to be part of a happy tribe, or to live in a successful economy? Don’t kid yourselves that you can do both.

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    • 262
      Longshanks says:

      Welcome to economic region seven no 42 – shall we still need the monarchy.
      Perhaps:

      King Charles of Economic Region Seven, defender of the Muslim faith. Slayer of the hideously white anglo-saxons and celts.

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  71. 254
    Longshanks says:

    It reflects the paucity of a debate when the boundaries are set too narrow. Hannan cannot even mention Powell without the attendant clenching of liberal sphincters lest anyone might dare to consider the possibility of any truth in his ‘rivers of blood’ speech – which there was – and everybody knows it but buries it so deep that they think it might not happen in their borough.

    What perplexes me about Dan is that his free marketism is at odds with his anti eu stance at a fundamental level. One cannot have an independant, ‘conservative’ government that conserves nothing and will sell all at the right price, like – God fobid the MOD.

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  72. 258

    BBC furiously falling over themselves to repeat the NuLab propaganda

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8223664.stm

    Repeating *three times* labour’s chosen attack phrase on this “story” – “attacks the NHS and praises Enoch Powell”. I have complained to the BBC and told them they can go whistle for my licence fee. Again.

    These bastards need countering at every turn – they are determined to shut down any debate or discussion that doesn’t suit their purposes. The BBC *cannot* be allowed to set this nation’s morality. They are *not* the voice of reason. They are *not* the middle ground. They are *not* right.

    Bastards.

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  73. 263
    bbc wonk (trainspotter) says:

    We bloody well are right, well a bit left actually, but we do provide balance in our stories, well sort of, anyway, we are right so there

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  74. 264
    Anonymous says:

    More liberal? they want more immigration than nulabour? Oh bloody hell, we really are doomed. Look at what mass immigration has done to this country already.

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    • 282
      tired and jaded says:

      Mass immigration has achieved two separate things.

      On the one hand it has turned most of the country into a garbage heap.

      On the other hand it has created a profitable low-wage economy for the middle classes.

      Which interest does Hannan (and Dave and Guido) serve?

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      hungry horace says:

      Yeah, they decided the country needed a bigger carbon footprint, so more consumers are obviously needed.

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  75. 283
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    I wish you right-wing libertarians knew how difficult you make life for us left-wing libertarians – half the time we’re with you and would stand with you on the barricades; half the time we’ll be shooting at you from the other side. Still, half is better than none.

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      factor x says:

      You sound like a right pinko, commie faggot.

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      • 340
        Cato Street Conspirator says:

        Commies are authoritarians, twat. But then I suppose the difference between libertarians and authoritarians is something you find hard to grasp.

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  76. 285
    troglodyte says:

    The more the BBC etc play this up the better. More points down for Nulab in the polls. This running away from reality by our ruling elite has become really amusing. Keep it up lads and soon the labour party will be history.

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  77. 287
    Jack Straw says:

    Hannan is a baby eating Nazi……..fact.

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  78. 292
    Anonymous says:

    ANy right minded person analysing the degradation of the country over the last 40 years will realise that Enoch Powell was actually right.

    I for one don’t feel blessed by a multi-cultural Britain, having been attacked and beaten up by blacks (oh, THAT wasn’t a race hate crime then..) and looking at our no-go areas of Islamic extremism…

    I am intimidated and fearful in my own back yard, and I am not allowed to say who or what is the cause of that fear, otherwise I am a racist…

    This country is going to hell and no-one can stop it.

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  79. 293
    Moley says:

    Speaking personally, I do not want political parties which speak with one voice on every single subject. A very small number of people in the Labour Party have ensured that that Party has spoken with one voice since they came to power, using McBride and his disgusting tactics to crush all dissent and suppress all aternative opinion. We can see where it has got us.

    To have a wide appeal, a party has to encompass a wide diversity of opinion which it can best do by recruiting people with different and sincerely held views. There should be (some) public debate when it comes to policy formation so that when a Government takes decisions which go against the views of some of some of the electorate; they understand why.
    We need to know what a party stands for in general terms and how it intends to deliver its aims in general terms, so that we can judge how practical those aims are, as well as how desirable.

    We should not, (for example) expect pin point accurate tax and spend policy from the opposition because they do not have the necessary accurate information, and the one thing we know for certain, is that what is in the public domain is not honest, not truthful, and not accurate.

    I do not want a Conservative Government which is a Labour clone, committed to policy decided by a small elite and which crushes all debate within it.

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  80. 297
    ball&jack says:

    I don’t know what all the fuss is about. Mandy has just come out like an hysterical bitch, spouting the sort of bollocks that could only appeal to the dumbest of the dumb Labour core voter.

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  81. 311
    Anonymous says:

    Why doesn’t Dan simply join the UK Libertarian Party since he spends most of his time praising their policies to US Libertarians ?

    What’s wrong with that ?

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  82. 314
    Anonymous says:

    I love how right-wing politicians crap on about the left.

    There is no left anymore.

    What Call-Me-Tony and Gordo have don, Mrs T would have happily done too; charge students for their education, de-regulate the utilities (cheers Enron) and leave the banks run their own affairs…into the ground it would seem.

    I don’t know what the answer is, but it sure as shit isn’t some ferrety little twat like Hannan.

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  83. 321

    I love how right-wing politicians still crap on about the left.

    There is no ‘left’ anymore.

    What Call-me-Tony and Mr B have done, Mrs T would have happily done too; charge students to get an education, de-regulate the utilities (how’s the prison food Enron?) and leave the banks to run their own affairs…into the ground.

    I don’t know what the answer is, but it sure as shit isn’t a ferrety little twat like Hannon.

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  84. 322
    It's all Balls says:

    For those with the time and inclination – here is the so called ‘Rivers of Blood’ speech.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643826/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html

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  85. 330
    Prince Rupert says:

    It shouldn’t matter that a Tory MEP has spoken his mind. The electorate has made up its mind already – look at the recent by-elections, the local council and EU elections, look at Norwich, the Labour party is totally discredited. Gordon has no credibility left, he has been in charge when the shit hit the fan big time, he is a loser, he looks like a loser, he is a terrible communicator, he looks unpleasant. As for the other Labour politicians, they also are unpopular and discredited. The BBC is not beleived any more, most people are tired of being lied to.
    So, good on you Dan Hannan, and no-one takes any notice of what Fondlebum has to say, and no-ne beleives the BBC.
    Be patient folks and remember to encourage everyone you know to vote Labour into the grave at the next election. Punish them for years of lies and spin. Once the Tories are back in they should take a knife to the BBC. I’m a socialble cove and talk to lots of people from all walks of life. No one I have ever met has thought that John Humphreys was anything other than a nasty little leftwing Welsh K’unt.
    Thankyou

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      RobC says:

      Could not agree more although I find Humphrey’s pal Naughtie even more obnoxiously left wing than him.
      Cameron really has got do something about the BBC they are totally out of control.

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  86. 334
    Willie says:

    Maybe Dan being a little off message, that is having the temerity to say something, will help those like me to vote Tory. At present I will vote Tory when I really want to vote UKIP, because avoiding splitting the vote is essential to removing Brown and more importantly Jobsworth at the MOD. I have never seen someone more out of his depth than Jobsworth. A Communist, union functionary twat who could not lead a troop of ducks across a firebucket.
    The danger is we end up with another wet. 100 days for Dave to prove himself post election or out I reckon.

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  87. 336

    This reminds me of the furore over Bryan Ferry and his comments about the aesthetics of Nazi Germany. Is it impossible that one can agree with certain aspects of an ideology with buying into it wholesale ?

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    • 348
      tired and jaded says:

      Next time a government spokesman tries to take credit for more punctual trains just reply ‘That’s what Mussolini did. Are you a fascist, too? Would you mind standing by that lamppost.’

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  88. 339
    Ever Vigilant says:

    This chap CUSE — is he by any chance one Kevin Macguire ?

    If he isn’t he must have attended the same indoctrination course .

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    • 380
      Cuse says:

      Heavens No Mr Ever Vigilant. I’m certainly not that beastly man who writes for the gutter press.

      That Mr Macguire is such a bad, naughty man to you Guido followers isn’t he!

      Whatever next – I’ll get a Toynbee insult or – please no – accused of being…Dolly’s Troll or something!!!

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  89. 352

    [...] Fink only needs to refer to Guido’s posts this morning to unravel the truth of the matter, instead of barking out the customary knee jerk reactions [...]

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  90. 365

    [...] immigration specifically, and is in any case personally a ‘libertarian’ on borders. Guido Fawkes leads the charge, writing: Guido spoke to Dan to ask him when he gave the interview – about “a month or [...]

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    • 379
      Anonymous says:

      IF Hannan is really a Libertarian why doesn’t he come off the fence and join the UK Libertarian Party ? Why pretend he is a Conservative ?

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  91. 372
    Anonymous says:

    Hannan is a yank in all but name.

    He should stay there with his loopy loser friends.

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  92. 374
    Jacqui's Dick says:

    Ron Paul, I thought he was a porn star?

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      Dan Hannan's lonely hearts club band says:

      No, no, no, no, no. Well.. yes.

      Sacha Baron Cohen tried to ram him up his “Liberty”hole in a hotel room in his recent Bruno flick apparently.
      This did not make Ron Paul look like an bumbling idiot amateur politician. At all.

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      Anonymous says:

      Ron.P was rammed up the libertyhole by that gaybruno fella in that amusing spoof movie about the gayfashion chappie. Ron.P looked a prize twat

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  93. 378
    Trinny says:

    But we love the NeoCons. Everyone loves the NeoCons.
    FOX News loves the NeoCons. Tony Blair loves the NeoCons.
    Britain simply can’t get enough of those loveable NeoCon scamps.

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  94. 382
    Craigoh says:

    No, Sorry.

    Whatever the intent (and I think it was partly benign), the effect of Powell’s speech was horrendous.

    For a start, by using such inflammatory language, it had the effect of closing down the debate. So, it is now hard to defend Powell without seeming racist to the electorate at large. That may not be entirely fair, but that’s the way the cookie crumbles.

    By using such phrases as “the black man having the whip hand over the white man”, he was stirring up hatred and bigotry – he must have, or at least should have, known that. That phrase negated any nuanced thinking within his speech. I heard an interesting doco’ on Radio Four which posited that Powell made such a raw speech as he had seen the violence in India upon partition, seen the UK govt’s inability / unwillingness to stop it, and feared the same would happen here. Interesting.

    Another effect of his speech was that it also helped ensure the smooth passage of succesive Commonwealth Immgration Acts – which acts, perversely one might say, actually make it fucking hard for ethnically-British, law-abiding, English-speaking citizens of Commonwealth, common law, parliamentary democratic countries with the Queen as head of state to come here.

    As one of same (I’m a Kiwi), I rather fucking resent that.

    Instead, we have unlimited EU immigration to Blighty. FFS Britain: who are your mates? Really, who? If you need a clue here’s a big hint: think about the last two world wars, and who supported you, and who didn’t and you had to fight against.

    No. Powell was an interesting bloke, but citing him as one’s “hero” is a damned stupid thing to do in this day and age. Ultimately Powell didn’t achieve much in politics. Maybe Hannan shan’t either.

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      Anonymous says:

      communist NuLiebore DollyHoon spinner!
      you can’t rationally criticise Enoch Powell or Hannan here and expect to get away with it without a kneejerk namecalling response

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        Craigoh says:

        Okay, fair dos, Anon. ‘Cept, trouble is, over on the Graun’ they keep branding me a Tory – go figure?

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  95. 391
    Craigoh says:

    Powell was right about one thing at least – his opposition to the EU.

    I am reminded of a post I read on the Torygraph by a chap named Stephen…

    “When a brother and friend risks his life, before being asked, to come to your aid, to save your life, it’s not generally considered normal behaviour afterwards to slam the door in the face of him or of his children and grandchildren.”

    “Forgiveness is highly laudable. But it is also not normal behaviour to obsequiously seek the approval and acceptance of and to genuflect before the one who not long ago tried to overpower you, remove your freedom and kill you.”

    “But such has been the behaviour of this nation’s leaders since the 1970s.”

    Damn straight. Powell was arguably partially guilty of the acts in the first quoted para’, but he tried to avoid the shame of the acts in the second para’.

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  96. 398
    Raving Loon says:

    Daniel Hannan is unpopular among the Notting Hill set Conservatives because, unlike them, he’s actually conservative.

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      Cam on the Cam says:

      And unlike him they are serious Politicians likely to be in power in mere months.
      He should go back to his day job claiming EU expenses.

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      • 419

        Serious like Blair was serious. All Cameron (like Blair) wants is power and when he gets it he will just want to keep it. They all lose it eventually when the public eventually realises they either messed up or achieved nothing. Cameron will only get in power because it is a 2 horse race and he crawled and crept his way up one of the parties.

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    • 424
      Anonymous says:

      Conservative, or stark-staring loony reactionary? Mr (or is it Mrs) Raving Loon?

      There’s a difference.

      In Hannan’s case, methinks the jury’s still out.

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  97. 407

    [...] immigration specifically, and is in any case personally a ‘libertarian’ on borders. Guido Fawkes leads the charge, writing: Guido spoke to Dan to ask him when he gave the interview – about “a month or [...]

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  98. 409
    Jimmy Sands says:

    “The fact is that Hannan and his ideological fan base (such as it is) are more liberal on immigration policy than the official Labour Party position…”

    Well anyone who has seen the deluge of liberal pro-immigrant posts on here will attest to that.

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  99. 420
    Ian says:

    Is it really such a slow news day (month?) that a ‘controversial’ (shock horror) comment from an MEP no one has heard of, and even fewer people voted for, makes the news again?

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    • 421
      The Ragpicker says:

      Would you rather we all discuss Jordan’s cagefighter lover instead?

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    • 426
      Craigoh says:

      Erm, just ‘cos you ain’t heard of him, don’t mean we haven’t, Mr Ian. Do try and keep up, there’s a good chap.

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  100. 422

    [...] make the case against the politics of Powell as well as against his racism. Opposition bloggers are correct when they say that Hannan having influences does not mean he subscribes to all the views; but what [...]

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