August 25th, 2009

Even Labour Voters Prefer Cameron to Brown

With YouGov polling that the Tories are still seen as more trusted with the NHS than Labour, the Guardian/ICM poll has another glaring result:

Asked, regardless of individual party preferences, whether a Tory government under David Cameron, or a Labour one under Gordon Brown, would be best for Britain 37% of people who voted Labour in 2005 – now think Cameron would be best, only 31% back Brown.

The Conservatives lead Labour among all social classes and in all regions…

If those numbers were true in any other British political party they would just get rid of the leader. The Labour Party has lost the collective will to win and turned into a horde of lemmings…


266 Comments

  1. 1
    New Labour New Danger says:

    fuck you are up late

  2. 2
    Tankus says:

    WHERE IS BROWN ?

    • 3
      New Labour New Danger says:

      in his nappy and on a rocking horse ?

    • 33
      Jonathan Cook says:

      Gordon doesn’t need to actually be around to fcuk things up.

      He can manage to cock things up perfectly well from his holiday home as well.

    • 135
      Minekiller says:

      In Libya?

    • 157
      The "Angry Aberdonian" says:

      That would make a fantastic video game!

      You could play the part of a junior civil servant tasked to track down Brown through the embers of an economic wasteland!

      The longer it took to find him, the more media disasters would take place and the deeper Brown would go to ground! However there would be clues – a minor celebrity singing amidst the ruins would be a Brown “hot-spot”, while something like a hospital for injured military personnel would be positively arctic!

      • 163
        South of the M4 says:

        … and every time you passed Go you would have to pay £500…..

      • 233
        Super Mario says:

        Great idea for a video game “AA”. Maybe a suitably apocalyptic ending would be to eventually track the Kircaldy Kretin to a lair in the Cambodian jungle, holed up with Colonel Kurtz. The game player, a hard working family member, could then hack McDoom to bits with a machete.
        Graphics Crapulity to be provided by Charlie Nutwidget.

  3. 4
    Hugh Bristic says:

    For the sake of the country I hope Brown has been considering his position during his self imposed silence.
    He has become the great carbuncle on the body politic that needs to be lanced.
    If any member of his cabinet had a scintilla of moral courage or the slightest understanding of the national interest, they would tell him to go.

  4. 5
    New Labour New Danger says:

    we all hate gordon . is dave the answer ?

    • 11
      Real Conservative (Active service unit) says:

      Only if the question is what self serving,expense claiming,never done fuck all else of any worth,vacuous,fucking EU sucking whore can we replace him with.

      • 13
        New Labour New Danger says:

        well said but his one good point is he says he will scrap id cards

        • 21
          Anonymous says:

          He couldn’t scrap a fucking austin allegro.

        • 22
          Ivor Shwartzporsche says:

          Well he can’t under the lisbon constitution.

        • 23
          New Labour New Danger says:

          it was already scrap when it came out the plant

        • 30
          Ivor Allegrowhite says:

          I’ve had the car since new and it’s lasted me 36 years. I’ve only replaced the body shell thrice, six engines, 4 gearbox’s, and the interior mirror twice apart from the usual servicable items. I’m very happy with it and I don’t pay road tax.

        • 38
          EC1 PhD says:

          Not when it sits on bricks in the front garden!

    • 89
      Hysteria says:

      the fact that most labour supporters support Dave is good news because why exactly?

      • 103

        Didn’t say it was good news. Excellent news that everyone hates Brown.

      • 117
        Churchill's Cattleprod says:

        It’s known as ‘filling in a vacuum’. Cameron is certainly not the quality of Thatcher or even of Blair but on the basis that anyone must be better than Gordon Brown then Cameron is leader of the Conservative Party.

        Right now a gibbering imbecile with chronic Tourettes, freshly sprung from Broadmoor could probably commandeer more support than Gordon Brown.

        • 128
          Moley says:

          The same might be said of Thatcher before she came to power.

          Her reputation came afterwards; no one knew what they were getting apart from the “Not Heath, Not Callaghan”

        • 156
          nell says:

          Yes Moley well said.

          When Dave gets the job, as he will after the next election, then we’ll see what he’s made of. Let’s not prejudge him.

          After all let’s remember how they kept saying gordon was going to be this highly intellectual, great clunking fist and best pm ever when they put him in the job and look what he’s become – a pile of beetle dung!

          We have to wait and see.

        • 158
          Sir William Waad says:

          Moley – exactly. Dave might be very much better than he appears.

        • 182
          Ivor Schwartzporsche says:

          That is a gamble many won’t take without a firm promise on Europe. Has anyone actually read the Lisbon Treaty yet?

        • 264
          Dave R says:

          ‘The quality of thatcher’?

          Dear me, if the last two years have taught us nothing else, it’s that the free market does not work.

          Leave businesses totally in charge of what they do, and they mess up the entire economy – like they just did.

          I used to think Thatcher’s survival to old age was a bad thing. But now I see that she’s lived long enough for her precious free market thinking to be proven to be b*llocks, and dangerous world economy threatening b*llocks.

          And my word what joy the privatised utilities are to be customers of. I can’t wait to pay their inflated bills, safe in the knowledge that privatisation gives the most service for the least price.

          Anyway – now that she’s seen the free market and privatisation collapse in a heap she can die – painfully but not too slowly i hope. I plan to be there at the celebrations, and while I’m an atheist I almost want there to be an afterlife so that she gets sent to hell.

    • 254
      Polly Titian says:

      *
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      YE KAN AWL H8* DAVE AS WELL

      YE MAY DGJUST AS WELL H8* PARLIAMENT ASSEMBLED

      YE LIVE ON BANQK OF ENGLAND KREDDIT MONEY SUKKERS

      YE MAY DGJUST AS WELLL LURN HAO TU LOVE YOUR ENEMY

      AND LARF AWL THE WAY TU THE BANQK

      THE APATHETYQK VOTER IS IN THE ASCENDANTSEA

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      ASTA

  5. 6
    Anonymous says:

    Anyone see that pretentious prat Lord Foulkes being interviewed?
    When asked why Brown has said absolutely nothing about a convicted mass murderer being released yet will quite happily comment on the X Factor Foulkes started lecturing the interviewer in a condescending manner.
    What a shitbag. Don’t answer the question, just carry on like a bloody robot with the party line.
    Ye Gods, do I hate New Fucking Labour.

  6. 7
    New Labour New Danger says:

    is it labour that are so crap they took ten years to get rid of tony blair .
    fucking muppets

  7. 8
    Tankus says:

    Can Kirkcaldy deselect a sitting MP ?

    • 9
      New Labour New Danger says:

      they could always de-capitate him

    • 56
      Steve Expat says:

      The electorate there are certainly free to elect anyone with their name on the ballot paper.

      Not sure the local Lab Party would deselect the sitting PM and party leader though..

  8. 10
    lenny the lemming says:

    Why don’t they just all throw themselves off a cliff for the good of the country?

  9. 15
  10. 18

    He will stand down before the next election. Betcha!

    • 20
      New Labour New Danger says:

      at confrence £5 on it

    • 24
      Rumble in the Jungle says:

      A good bet there. It’s hard to see him struggling on. How much punishment can a body take. He’s no Ali!

    • 36
      EC1 PhD says:

      Mandy will choose the time and place. I reckon he really does hate Gordon, after all.

      • 43
        Tankus says:

        yes , think your right

      • 45
        Trojan Horse says:

        To Mandelson,Gordon is a condom. To be flushed after being a receptacle for his gratified pleasure.

      • 57
        Steve Expat says:

        Will be the day after the Irish referendum if they vote “yes”

        • 60
          EC1 PhD says:

          Horrific thought: Mandy has about 15-20 years left of his political career, unlike Gordon who is a broken snog gobbler. Who would you choose between the two of them?

        • 61
          Horny Devil says:

          I wouldn’t climb over you to get to either of them.

      • 63
        Steve Expat says:

        Grauniad also reporting that the govt are amending the Digital Britain Bill currently under consultation.

        They want to make life more difficult for so-called “File Sharers” uploading music and movies by cutting off their internet connections, contrary to Lord Carter’s original report only last month.

        The reasons for this change of mind obviously has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that “Lord” Mandlebum was seen having dinner with Holywood ‘fixer’ David Geffen at Geffen’s Corfu villa a couple of weeks ago…

        http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2009/aug/25/file-sharing-internet
        Note the comments under the article, even the Grauniad faithful are starting to lose that faith now…

        • 66
          EC1 PhD says:

          The trouble with Mandy is that his vanity clouds his judgement.

        • 67
          New Labour New Danger says:

          they are too dizzy from spinnig

        • 161
          nell says:

          Mandy doesn’t have any judgement except when it comes to feathering his own nest.

          No doubt geffen and, olegd, his very good pals, are very grateful for the help he gives them.

          And let’s not forget his other good pals NatR and the son and heir of libya’s leader, whose 37th birthday mandy attended just the other week.

        • 179
          Anonymous says:

          They’re just pissed that they never thought to tax wan wifi users. Best to make things tricky and then licence it later?

    • 54
      caesars wife says:

      i cant do links like nell , but mayor of fleet near blackpool !dont you think you would have arrested him anyway without catching him nicking womens underwear and commiting lurid sexual act .

      bad day for slap heads with thick glasses

      • 55
        New Labour New Underwear says:

        Not Nick Robinson in full tackle! How much more can the country take?

  11. 27
    New Labour New Danger says:

    hey what about swapping nick robinson and bill o rielly over for a month ?

    • 47
      Noel Edmonds Stiff a Kiddie says:

      What about swapping nick robinson for a much loved austin allegro?

    • 52
      hubris says:

      It might be too much of a shock to hear someone tell it as it is.

      Look at Dan Hannan, he just said what many had been saying on this blog for years, and suddenly he becomes fucking Cicero.

      • 65
        How to look good on You Tube says:

        Fucking right! The little boy that pointed out the emperors nakedness,wasn’t suddenly seen as the next Gok Wan.

  12. 28
    anon126 says:

    the thing that strikes me by the poll, like I say in my blog is how horrific the result is for the Lib-Dems, there is a hated government and the LD support goes down. That’s terrible. They really need a new leader.

    the second thing which amuses is the the terrible Harman is even more unpopular than Brown, and that MORE women hate her than men!!! That shows that women are the sensible sex!

  13. 34
    New Labour New Danger says:

    was just watering the plants and this came into my mind ,,,….,,,,….,,,,,gordon walks into the news confrence after not being seen for a month , as he walks into view brain blessed stands up and says GORDONS ALIVE !!!!!!

  14. 34
    Scorched Earth says:

    Those poll numbers will be being copied out in great numbers by Milliboy and Jonhson’s gophers as we speak.

    More grist for the Party Conference plotting mill.

    What you mean Guido is that they still haven’t got rid of him yet.

    There is still time and stalking horses will be being considered to keep the hands of Milliboy and Johnson “clean”.

    A Leadership contest is still Brown’s ultimate nightmare scenario.
    Being forced out of Office in ignominity and record time without even being given the chance for the voters to kick him out.

    • 49
      Ethel Net says:

      I’m getting too old for all this malarki, it’s very confusing don’t know if we’re coming or going I don’t. I’ll have another think in the morning after I’ve had me sleep. Night, night dears.

      • 68
        Anonymous says:

        thanks for that illuminating gem Ethel Net.
        though you could have saved it for twitter or a gripping “confused and tired” entry in your blog. the world will sleep more soundly knowing your valuable thoughts.

  15. 42
    Jonathan Cook says:

    Gordon is such a disaster he his entertaining. I’ll miss him when he’s gone.

    There are only so many “grade A” idiots out there. It could be years before another twat of Gordon’s calibre comes along again.

  16. 59
    Ed Balls mp says:

    SO WHAT !

  17. 64
    some light music says:

  18. 70
    Son of Tony says:

    “Even Labour Voters Prefer Cameron to Brown”
    Just goes to show how much they want Blair back. And with Cameron as PM,their wishes will be granted.

    • 209
      Ivor Schwartzporsche says:

      They made a wish by Aladins frosted Lightbulb and we got Cameron in opposition.

  19. 71
    Odd Lot them Labourites says:

    Strange Bunch the labour party, they dump their best leader ever and refuse to dump their worst ever.

    • 75
      New Labour New Danger says:

      its the johnah curse

      • 104
        barefootcontessa says:

        They obviously prefer Dave cos he’s the new blair lookalike, and possibly thinkalike.

    • 116
      Anonymous says:

      not so much strange, just stupid and selfish, and all cowards.

      They saw blair and thought “bit smarmy”, they saw brown and thought “cool; a lefty”, so they allowed brown to usurp blair when given the chance seeing as they then had a government that was already in power at the time.

      It’s purely that the labour MPs are too wrapped up in political ideology to allow common sense to take a part in any of their decisions, and when it all goes tits-up they don’t want to lose the few months they’ve got left of gravy train money, and they’re too cowardly to admit that the leader they sanctioned under the coup is a walking disaster (and always has been).

      Their mentality is/was:
      “lefty” = in
      “smarmy” = out

      doesn’t matter if they all know that the lefty is a blithering fuckwit with no understanding of reality, maths, or economics, as long as he’s “one of them” and looks after “the core”.

    • 200
      stilyagi_air_corps says:

      Worse is Better – Lenin. That’s why!

    • 236
      Ever Vigilant says:

      Best leader ever ?

      Grubby conman .

      They don’t refuse to dump Brown — he refuses to go .It wiill take a platoon of SAS
      to get rid of the useless fool .

  20. 72
    INSANE IDIOT says:

    The Tories Will Be No Better Than Lie-Bore. We Should Forget Party Politics And Vote UKIP ! Only When We Are Free Of The EU Super State Can We Get Back To Thinking Who WE Want To Run OUR Country !

    • 108
      Agent 99 says:

      yeah and vote Ukip ….split the vote other than the Labour one and the snot gobbler creeps back into No 10 through the back door.

      Yeah great plan that.

      As I have always said vote Tory in droves this GE and utterly decimate Labour so they are no longer any form of party or fighting force and then vote for anyone you like (except Labour) at the next General election after that. This is a long term thing and not solved at one election this election must solely be about the destruction once and for all of the most corupt devious lying government of all time and their party and what is required to prevent them from getting their hands on power ever again.

      • 141
        Moley says:

        The trouble with voting tactically for a party you don’t want in power because of its views on Europe is that you end up with a Government that you don’t want in power because of its views on Europe.

        Brown is self immolating and is a danger which will look after itself. Europe isn’t.

      • 211
        Ivor Schwartzporsche says:

        Vote with your concience. Vote UKIP> here is a scenario: ‘Grandad, why didn’t you read the Lisbon Treaty before voting for that man? I blame your generation for what happened, you could have prevented it’. How come Guido Fawkes is namesaken for a ‘traitor’ who we either celebrate as a traitor or as a failed hero? Oooh, You’ill split the vote oh dear better vote for someone less evil to get the government you don’t want best. FFS

      • 214
        Ivor Schwartzporsche says:

        It’s not a long term thing. It WAS a long term thing after Treaty of Rome. This time is the First and LAST time we vote on europe. Once the Lisbon Treaty comes in or its replacement or by subterfuge (Even if the Irish vote No) we will be scuppered or conqured but not independent without a fight ever again.

      • 225
        Blu Labour E.U. Danger says:

        Why is it that the Tory apparatchicks on here are supremely confident that Brown is going to get an almighty kicking with a huge Tory majority UNTIL someone says they will vote UKIP ?

        Then it’s suddenly neck and neck with NuLiebore for some strange reason

        Call me Dave is not gauranteeing a vote on Lisbon
        Ask yourself why ?

        • 234
          Agent 99 says:

          Blu Labour you do have a good point. I agree Until the votes are counted no one can be sure but Brown accidentally in No10 again on a split vote would be disaster.

          I would vote Ukip myself but I have to first ensure the total anihalation of Labour to make absolutely certain that they cannot come back. They have done this twice in my lifetime now and no way am I going to stand back and let them wreak such havoc on my children.
          Secondly Camron has offered a free vote if the treaty more than once if not ratified. Thats basically all he can do and he has openly stated that on news and Marr (I think it was Marr stand corrected if somewone elses show)He would do it right now but he is not in power. Labour are doing all they can to prevent such a vote so with a Labour majority there is little that can be done until the GE. If in the interim Lisbon is ratified well blame Brown (he who sneaked in the back door and signed after the biggest lie in 100 years) also the Labour scumbags who supported him. There are always other options available even though the Labour party with two unelected people at the top (one twice disgraced and thrown out of office) capitulated to the EU and terrorists in the same week. Democratic methods can be used to change bad laws and ‘constitutions’

          I hope the Irish are not bought off and shortly vote NO (Please you guys don’t get suckered) along with Checkoloslavakia and Brown is given the boot. Then we will get a referendum at least and th 60% increase in our contributions to the EU sneaked through the day before yesterday when everyone is on holiday can be reversed.

          Fact remains at the moment I hate Labour more than the EU the Irish got a chance to decide twice Franc and Holland also and they all rejected it. So the plan of action has to be a campaign not a single battle to win. When Labour are utterly destroyed then it will be the EU ’s turn and before you say it “Its never too late” it isn’t to late unless you let it be.

        • 253
          NuCon says:

          Cameron is fence sitting,hoping that the treaty is ratified before he has to grasp the nettle. With one move,he could pull the rug from under UKIP by promising a referendum on the EU irrespective of ratification,but no, he’ll hope to be able to wring his hands and say “It’s too late now”.

      • 237
        Ever Vigilant says:

        There is no alternative .Absolutely spot on Agent 99 .

  21. 73
    INSANE IDIOT says:

    Cameron Is A Trougher Just Like All The Rest. A Total Change Is Required In This Country The “Big Tree” Are A waste of SpaceWe Would Not Get A Referendum Off Any Of Them !

  22. 74
    New Labour New Danger says:

    i say apoint someone who has won or earned sometnhing

    • 79
      INSANE IDIOT says:

      Priminister Flintoff ?

    • 90
      Real leaderhip required says:

      Repudiating the expenses smear campaign against him by releasing his expenses to the national media, General Sir Richard Dannat has demonstrated his honesty and integrity to the people of Britain.

      Surely, with this action and his distuingished career qualifications, he is an ideal candidate to stand as Prime Minister to put the “GREAT”, back in Britain at the coming elections.

      If he could be prevailed upon to serve his country for a little longer and stand for election, it should not prove too dificult for him to find around 500 qualified persons of similar honesty and integrity to join him to contest the major electoral seats in the UK.

      • 216
        Anonymous says:

        Wouldn’t that be good. Richard is a nice name for a lion amongst gordons and tonys no offence to other gordons

  23. 81
    New Labour New Danger says:

    on your post fawkes , you made a mistake if the lib dems were on 24 % they would have a party , if it was the cons it means they are clearing up labour mess in goverment , if labour well watch the car crash

  24. 84
    Sidewinder says:

    Like more and more people in Scotland (my English trouble ‘n’ strife included),
    I’ll be voting SNP.

    They have been a breath of fresh air and it would seem inconceivable now to vote for Labour again.

    • 86
      New Labour New Danger says:

      as your are from scotland and not voting labour who would you like to see as the main oppo?

      • 91
        Sidewinder says:

        If you mean in Scotland, then probably Dave’s lot.

        Generally they have been more constructive than the LibDems who have been a huge disappointment.

    • 140
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      Would you really vote for a party that releases mass-murderers just to show how anti-american they are?

      • 153
        jgm2 says:

        Anything the SNP does will be to do with demonstrarting how anti-English they are. If that means pissing off the yanks knowing that the knock-on effect will be felt by the entire UK and some parts of the UK might react, shall we say, negatively towards the Kilted Nasties then that’s what they will do.

        With Salmond everything he does is about generating anti-English sentiment amongst the Scots and anti-Scottish sentiment amongst the English.

        He hates the English. I don’t know what happened to him as a child. perhaps he was on holiday in London and some kid laughed at his ‘funny’ accent. Who knows. But he hates the English and plenty of his fellow countrymen are brought up the same way.

        That Mel Gibson has a lot to answer for.

        • 218
          Sidewinder says:

          Don’t be such a bigoted ignoramus jgm2.

          There are MSPs of English extraction in the SNP.

          Our local party has several English members and all are very welcome.

          My missus, although not a member, is English and votes SNP.

          I’ve lived in England and like the English.

          I won’t support the English football team, mind you! :P

      • 220
        Sidewinder says:

        What a crass statement.

        I suppose you are a grumpy old man though and I must allow for that.

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    • 110
      shelling-out says:

      What’s happened to the mantra that education has never been so good?

      Labour have dumbed-down the system to a level so low, that gifted children are being held back and stand no chance of ever bettering themslelves, unless they are fortunate enough to have parents who can afford to send them to a private school.

      Our universities are now inundated with school-leavers who know they stand no chance of ever getting a job in the present economic climate, and places are already becoming scarce.

      Ed Balls couldn’t run a playgroup, let alone the country’s education programme.

      Roll on the election.

      • 239
        bandersnatch says:

        It’s a wicked con on the just moderately intellectually talented to let them think they will be at some ‘advantage’ if they go to Boddlescombe Uni and study the theory of Golf Club Management and Hot tub installation with Cockney Rhyming Slang as a subsidiary. They may simply come out three years later £25,000 in debt.

        Letting them think they will earn so much more after ANY crapulous uni course is so unfair. When almost everyone has ‘a degree’ its value is proportionately debased… like everyone having As at A level but having no particular skills, or talents, or properly develop gumption factors to offer/contribute.

        • 255
          Golden Days says:

          The results tell us that this is the most talented generation of all, and you only have to listen to the eloquent, reasoned and original discourse of a typical teenager to see just how right that is.

  28. 92
    Great Google ads says:

    HOT NEWS! Kinnocks in £200 million funding blunder. Re-possessions, accounts freezing underway…

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/

    (Oh hang on, contact lenses not in yet. It’s just another blunder by the MOD. Darn…)

  29. 94
    LightBlue says:

    have joleon lescott and freddie flintoff signed for Citteh yet?

  30. 95
    Cassandra King says:

    The only decission left to the PLP now is whether they wish to become HM loyal oppostion or wish to be relegated to third place after the next election.
    If they ditch Brown now they will be well placed to at least keep second place, if however they cling to the loser out of fear they will most likely end up third or even forth in the pecking order.
    Its possible that with Brown at the helm the election results will be,

    a)Tories

    b)Libdems

    c)UKIP

    d)Newlabour

    The PLP clings onto a terrible choice out fear, this cowardice will end in their destruction at the polls and they know it, so come of folks cheer for Brown to remain in place, yes he is destroying the UK with every day he remains in power but he is also destroying newlabour to the same degree.
    If a more palatable frontman like posty Pat gets in there will still be enough voters who will buy the ‘we have changed our ways, honest guv!’ routine.

    My wish is that Brown continues to lead his tribe deeper into the wilderness so by the time of the general election he will be as popular as a bad case of genital warts.

    • 99
      Great Google ads says:

      Brown will be gone by October. Mandlescum will ensure a public friendly face like Posty Al or Millipede will take the reigns. The public will demand an immediate election (as always, for an unelected encumbant), but this will be delayed until the Irish EU vote.

      Their main focus is to ensure UK control by the EU, before the Liebore Party disappears into oblivion. The Tory’s must get to grip with Uk public’s antagonism with being ruled by EU, before October (ish), else they too will wither, and independents and UKIP will gain strong votes.

      Now, where have the Kinnocks gone with their plundered £200 million?…

    • 223
      Anonymous says:

      I think it will be a) Libdems
      b)Tories
      c) Newlabour
      e) Green Party
      f) UKIP
      g) The above is bollocks like your prediction

    • 257
      Golden Days says:

      I just can’t see them throwing away their lovely jobs by ditching Brown, which would surely lead to a prompt election and death. Nor do I see Brown going without a regiment of the Guards marching into Downing Street and laying siege.

  31. 102
    Canary Wharf Rat says:

    The sooner we get this over and done with and get these fuckwits out, the better. Then and only then may a degree of confidence and competance return and maybe we can begin as a nation to restore some pride here.
    It wouldn’t be so bad if they were just incompetant but they treat us like fools and constantly lie to us. NewLiars are the nasty party with absolutly no class or honour whatsoever. Sheep led by a fucking meglomaniac.

  32. 105
    Anonymous says:

    “whether a Tory government under David Cameron, or a Labour one under Gordon Brown, would be best for Britain”

    Actually, a government under Nick Griffin would be best for Britain.

  33. 106
    Anonymous says:

    A coruscating attack on Brown’s cowardice from Littlejohn in the Mail to-day.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1208803/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Gordon-Browns-yellow-streak-width-Yangtze-river.html

    • 113
      shelling-out says:

      Just seen the photo of Gordon. He looks extremely tired and very haggard.

      Is he ill?

      • 146
        Grumpy Old Man says:

        One can only hope he’ll stay well enough till next June. After that, a job as professor of economic theory at a Chinese university beckons. “It started in America” will wow the crowds there.

      • 174
        Dr Siggy Fraud. says:

        Sick in the head. Sick bastard generally.

    • 222
      Anonymous says:

      littlecock! for when engaging your own brain to foam at the mouth and dribble is just to much trouble

  34. 109
    barefootcontessa says:

    Sales of tins of baked beans have dropped. According to BBC radio4 this am this means that the economy is on the up!

    • 112
      The BBC - talking complete cobblers for almost 40 years says:

      In the 1970’s we hoarded sugar – BBC Home Service(Radio 4) said that meant the price of oil was going to rise.

    • 115
      shelling-out says:

      Oh well, that’s it then. The price of beans has a marked effect on the country’s economy.

      The BBC must have been very short on news today.

    • 123
      Great Google ads adds says:

      Al- JeBeeb deflected attention from Brown’s general fuck up (over everything), onto how naughty the CIA in US are over torture of (possible) terrorists. Some coincidence.

      OK, the US issue over torture is serious, but … timing is everything on PRAVDA-UK. No-one’s fooled.

    • 125

      Please stop this personal absorption of BBC nonsense BFC, you know full well its doing you no good at all.

  35. 121
    Moley says:

    Guido’s link on the right, “Why scum rises to the top in politics is well worth reading.

    It also applies to promotion in the Civil Service, and all bureaucratic organisations including town halls, banks and other business.

    I think of it as advancement on the farmhouse soup principle.
    The scum rises rapidly to the top where it does nothing except create a bad impression, and all the goodness sinks to the bottom where it gets burnt.

    Just look at the Labour Party, where the scum actually made a point of burning the goodness.

    • 131
      Flatcap Army says:

      When I was a shiny-faced young graduate, my wise first boss once told me when referring to senior management “Remember, lad – it’s not just cream that floats”

      • 154
        Engineer says:

        I’d echo that – but my (much-respected) boss said, “A bureaucracy is rather like a septic tank. The biggest chunks always rise to the top.” How right he was.

        • 240
          Mark 0 -10 says:

          The people at the bottom always get shat on as they are always looking up at the arseholes

  36. 122
    Lord 'Shorty' Sugar says:

    I’m a crater faced little runt with a short man’s complex.

  37. 124

    Mildly O/T but read somewhere in the last couple of days that “economic optimism was now a rising tendency in GB”: then the journo spoiled the effect by quoting where; Wales, Northern England, and parts of Scotland. Only in parts of the country where people were able to differentiate their rectal vent from their medial joint (London and the South East) were people still despondent. Next item: charva lottery players completely convinced they’ll win this time shock.

    • 183
      H.J. Heinz says:

      fuck off. the baked bean index is through the floor. must be true so.

    • 190
      Groucho says:

      Here in the north, if you feed at the public sector teat, as the majority do, things are looking up.

      Brown is throwing loads of money at the likes of Business Link, One North East and others supposedly to help local businesses and create jobs. However the only jobs being created are non-productive ones within these organisations, because sod all of the money is getting past them into helping the private sector.

      Our local Business and Enterprise North East offices are on a smart new business park near Sunderland. On the entire park, theirs is the ONLY occupied office building.

      I run a small business and I gave up asking these tossers for help a long time ago. There are always hurdles in place to ensure that the money remains in their hands, rather than where Brown says it is going.

      • 210

        The state is not your friend Groucho, as clearly demonstrated by your own experience.

        • 230
          Groucho says:

          I can really understand why taxpayers in more prosperous parts of the country get pissed off about how their money is being spent.

          Its not just the dole-wallahs. I suspect the amount spent on job creation is even greater than that spent on benefits.

          Instead of actually helping businesses to start, grow and create real jobs, its going on swanky offices, fully expensed company cars and trade delegations to far flung and usually nice destinations (only attended by the trade advisors of course – the small business owners themselves can’t afford to go).

  38. 126
    Fooks Screws Up says:

    Off topic but never one to miss up a chance of Telegraph bashing.

    Waht could be more abysmal than Faulks’ grovelling apology yesterday over his Koran comments.

    Rename it the Dhimmigraph – perhaps it is something to do with oil money as so much else in this rotten country, sliding into Islam’s death grasp.

  39. 137
    Mitch says:

    Has snotty been to cyprus recently? cos we just had a tremmor….I nearly spilled my coffee.

    • 144
      Cardinal Tony of the Big Lies says:

      I simply say…No, but he can be deployed and acquire you as a target in 45 minutes.

      Ut’s impohtant – like me and the slotty Duchess.

    • 231
      Cassandra King says:

      I felt it too, felt like being on top of a wobbly jelly.
      Its difficult to imagine how a concrete structure can wobble like it does, still I have complte faith in the British council to help us out when the big one hits and I imagine the Kinnock clan who rule the BC like their own political party will be sending a large portion of their millions.

  40. 139
    Raving Loon says:

    It’s a bit like the Taliban saying oh fuck it let’s go with the Pope on this one.

    • 148
      The Taliban says:

      Hey, the Popes not so bad. He was in the Hitler Youth and we subscribe heavily to their philosophy on the Jweish ‘problem’.

  41. 142
    Buck up says:

    The so called media need to lay off our PM, Gordon Brown

    It’s quite clear his so-called silence on the Locharbie bomber is down to circumstances completely beyond his control.

    How on earth can he sensibly comment on this important issue in a one-to-one interview when both Andrew Marr and Nick Robinson are on holiday? It’s time the BBC bucked it’s ideas up!

  42. 143
    McGroom says:

    Will the Labour rank and file have the courage to get rid of the Brown/Balls/Mandelson triumvirate at the party conference.

    Odds on if they do, Alan Johnson will be put in, who has no hope of winning. The Tories better hope they don’t put a Milliband in who is their best chance.

    Although, after 12 years of gross mismanagement and interference on an unprecedented scale, Labour should be more worried about surviving as a political force rather than winning.

    “end of the Era of of Spin” – don’t make me laugh

  43. 145
    jgm2 says:

    OT

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8219344.stm

    Labours economic and negotiating incompetence quintuples EU subscription in only five years.

    Next time the c-unt gives it ‘Which services will the Tories cut to give the rich a tax-break?’ Remind him what seven billion quid bought him. Fuck all. A million quid job for Mandelson and the extended Kinnock tribe but essentially fuck-all.

    It would be cheaper to hang the lot of the c-unts but since we seem to be a bit sqeamish these days it would still be an absolute bargain to simply pay them 64K a year to sit at home (paid for by us) watching SKY TV (paid for by us) on their plasma TV (paid for by us) and do nothing. Because when they’re doing nothing they can’t fuck anything up.

    • 150
      McGroom says:

      Sitting at home and doing sweet FA is exactly what Gordon is doing and he can’t even get that right, because he has left Darth Mandy in charge

      Watch out for Sterling when the election is finally called as Dave will be spelling out just how bad ZaNuLieBore have damaged the economy and what hard action needs to be taken. GBP will likely take a battering.

  44. 149
    T U Carter says:

    I’m always surprised how people are tricked by these polls into thinking they have to choose on of the scoundrels on offer – Cameron or Brown (or the anonymous Liberal). The real choice is ‘none of them’ and until the British people learn to make that choice noting will change.

  45. 155
    The Beast of Clerkenwell says:

    You sick bastards
    LEAVE GORDON ALONE!
    He is currently relaxing on a beach wearing a woollen M&S suit and highly polished shoes
    The poor man needs a break from fucking up our country

    • 159

      Woollen? Rayon is his material of choice I think you’ll find. Plus you missed out the short black polyester socks, diagonal striped tie, burgundy shirt with white collar and s the piece de resistance, an NUM lapel badge.

      • 189
        The "Big Feartie" has landed says:

        Our “Inglorious Leader” is due back in Downing Street to-day to meet the Israeli Prime Minister and according to BBC he will be very tough over Israel’s West Bank Settlements ! Hahahahahhaahahahhahahahah!!!!!!!!!! The BBC never knowingly realistic

        http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8218783.stm

        • 205
          The Fourth Estate says:

          I look forward to the “press conference” afterward unless Brown has decided to NOT hold one as his “pals” in the media are still in Tuscany;Provence etc Very few questions on Israel I suspect !!

        • 227
          Barney Flintstein says:

          They should call gordon a schmuck in hebrew and tell him to f off in english

    • 162
      Cardinal Tony of the Big Lies says:

      I bought him an ice cream with our own money. Ut’s melted now.

    • 196
      INSANE IDIOT says:

      You Can’t Fuck up Something Thats Already Fucked !

  46. 164
    Sir William Waad says:

    I suggest the Labour Party is suffering from a Mosley Complex – they want to be beaten. The people at the top are tired, out of ideas and eager to make some serious money by calling in favours they’ve done for people while in power. The people lower down are quite happy to see Labour defeated as it will give them the chance to replace them, while the hard core of True Believers see a defeat as their chance to purify the Party and set it back on the path of socialism.

    • 168
      shelling-out says:

      How true, but what sort of economy will the next party inherit?

      Labour are on a collision course with disaster because they know some other poor sods will have to sort it all out, and probably increase taxation. Labour can then blame them, while in opposition, for all their own failings.

    • 170
      Engineer says:

      Not all, perhaps. The backbenchers see an end to their wonderful trough, and the dole queue beckoning. They do not want an election any time soon.

  47. 165
    Anonymous says:

    `Do DVDs have to be classified?

    Yes. The Video Recordings Act requires that all elements present on a DVD (or video) must be classified. This includes not only the main feature but also any `extras`, such as trailers, deleted scenes and other special features. If a film has been classified for video release, then there is no need for the film itself to be resubmitted for DVD classification, provided that the DVD version is identical to that released on video. However, if the version of the film intended for DVD differs in any way (eg a widescreen version), then it must be resubmitted.`

    http://www.bbfc.co.uk/faq/index.php

    Dear BBFC, please update your faq.

    ——————
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/lawandorder/6083182/Selling-illegal-DVDs-not-illegal-because-of-blunder.html
    `However, Lavinia Carey, director general of the British Video Association which represents 90 per cent of the industry, said: “All our members will be continuing to do their business as though the Act was still in force.

    “They will not be taking advantage of this legal loophole. It would not be a responsible way to trade.” `

    In other words, they enjoy the cartel and the position of monopoly status. Business is business.
    ——————–
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/aug/25/prosecutions-sale-unclassified-videos
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8219438.stm

    Barbara Follett MP is a disgrace.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Follett

    Barbara Follett MP is a disgrace.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5297818/Barbara-Follett-Millionaire-MPs-25000-expenses-on-security-over-safety-fears.html

    Barbara Follett MP is a disgrace.

    • 252
      Come the glourious day says:

      Now they are telling us that unless we ask Brussels if it’s ok, any law we pass is null and void.

      What a fucking c(o)untry we have become.

  48. 172
    nell says:

    gordon believes that the polls will turn in his favour when the economy picks up later this year.

    Even if it does, he forgets that when the conservatives were voted out the last time the economy was in its strongest position ever.

    Voters won’t be voting on the economy , they’ll be voting on his sadly lacking personality, not to mention the personalities of his dead loss ministers bob’aintbustinagut’ , edballs, mad hatty and the like.

    Simply put, the people who make up this government have made themselves the most hated ever, and nothing they can do, will win them back the vote. It’s lost. Morning folks.

    • 178
      shelling-out says:

      Ah, but Nell, people like you and I have long memories. We remember what is was like when previous Labour governments ruined our economy, leaving the Conservatives to pick up the pieces.

      Some people are still convinced that a Conservative government would raise taxes, without fully understanding that it was Labour’s gross mismanagement which prompted those tax rises in the first place.

      We can only hope that this government has pissed enough people off sufficiently to make them vote for another party.

      • 208
        nell says:

        I do shelling-out – Harold Wilson, James Callaghan, Michael Foot what a shower.

        But I don’t remember any government of any colour being as universally hated as this one has become or any PM as despised as gordon is.

        Maybe it’s because of the advent of the internet. I don’t know.

        • 215
          shelling-out says:

          I think it probably is the internet. We have so much more information available to us – and we can get a feel of what other people are thinking.

          I am not surprised that Gordon and his cronies are hated so, but the vitriol of some of the bloggers on here confirms that it goes much, much deeper than that.

          It would take nothing short of a miracle for Labour to be re-elected.

        • 229
          Barney Flintstein says:

          I agree but I give you one caviet; Radio media did’nt stop Hitler! Vote UKIP

        • 247
          Ever Vigilant says:

          Hated ,detestable liars . Mandelson thinks that’s a winning team .

  49. 173

    I found a black cornflake in my cornflakes this morning – you can never be too sure what that might be, so I placed it on the side of my breakfast tray. Imagine my surprise when I see in the latest ICM poll that this warped crispy blackened unwanted cornflake is scoring 15% above Gordon Brown as someone seen as trusted to run the country. Gordon just beats a squashed dog turd in a tescos bag and that wicked old hypocrite Polly Toynbee comes last.

  50. 174
    streamfisher says:

    Haven’t the Yanks heard of Gordon’s moral compass?

    • 184
      shelling-out says:

      I don’t think his moral compass will stretch to America.

    • 186
      Engineer says:

      They can’t believe Brown is so out-dated. They’re all on moral GPS these days.

    • 195
      Anonymous says:

      The yanks were told(by him naturally) that Brown was the new Churchill and then discovered he’s actually the new Chamberlain although at least Neville had slightly more back bone evident

      • 207
        shelling-out says:

        I thought he was the new Mugabe.

        • 219
          Anonymous says:

          Naw – Mugabe has more integrity and his Country’s economy is in better shape !

        • 228
          shelling-out says:

          Has the Zimbabwean dollar rallied against the pound? The way things are going, it could be on the cards.

        • 245
          Mugagbes Wallet Minder says:

          Up 15% apparently the other day or putting it another way the Pound is falling against the Zimbabwe dollar. Bloody hell!

  51. 176
    Cynic says:

    Guido

    Your analogy may be more accurate than you know.

    When the famous ‘lemmings jumping over cliff’ film was made it was faked by filling buckets with lemmings and throwing the over the ‘cliff’ for the cameras because, stupid as they are, they dont actually do that themselves.

    Just like what’s happening to Labour now under their Supreme Leader

  52. 177
    j says:

    Brown doesn’t get anything

    his mind, body and morality are disconnected from each other

    • 244
      bandersnatch says:

      His mind writes a book on ‘Courage’, but his physical body hides away McCavity style when the going gets tough. He is a bolter.

  53. 185
    Anonymous says:

    Somehow I get the impression that Littlejohn has sussed Gordon out.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1208803/RICHARD-LITTLEJOHN-Gordon-Browns-yellow-streak-width-Yangtze-river.html

    I also like his dig at Mandelson who mockingly found it offensive when it was suggested that the government had freed a mass murderer for oil, yet giving scant regard to the victims families who found it truly offensive that such a murderer should be freed forany reason.

  54. 194
    Anonymous says:

    Yet another failure of Gordon’s in the news (not loud enough though). Our contribution to the EU is to rise by 60%. Mrs T would have been out their fighting our corner but NOT GORDON no he just rolls over.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8219344.stm

    Every household in the UK will now pay £260 a year to the EU…For What????

    • 201
      Merv King says:

      easy peasy. I’ll have the necessary printed by lunchtime.

    • 203
      Peter says:

      I like it when Gordon rolls over.

    • 204
      INSANE IDIOT says:

      LIE-Bore TWO Poodles In A Row !

    • 213
      JMT says:

      Its all to build new Polish Motorways, so that the government can rapidly import Polish brickies to build the houses that the Government needs to house the imported Polish brickies.

      According to some lackey (appointed by Brown), we can all be jutifiably proud of that the money will be well spent funding new careers for redundant Labour liskspittles – post the next GE.

  55. 212
    It doesn't add up... says:

    Kalvis Jansens’ petition for Brown to resign has just passed an important landmark: it has now reached 11th place on the all time No 10 petition list by exceeeding 70,203.

    70,663 would see it get to No 10.

    • 217
      shelling-out says:

      I’ll bet government are counting the days off on the calendar until they can tear it down.

      With a bit of luck and the wind in the right direction, it could make 100,000 come October.

      • 224
        Anonymous says:

        More interesting and hilarious is that under the rules of the e-petitions No 10 has to respond to all the signatories with the reason why they can’t agree to the petition AND Gordon has to sign it !!!!!!!

  56. 226
    shelling-out says:

    That should be interesting. He’s going to have to get his crayons sharpened.

  57. 238
    Andromeda says:

    But surely people would prefer a Mandelson premiership to a Cameronian one?

    Cameron has done *nothing* except wait for Buggins’ turn and sent off God knows how many ex-Tories into the waiting arms of UKIP and BNP.

    Mandy at least achieved the quite considerable feat of making the Labour Party electable.

    • 258
      TheCourtOfPublicOpinion says:

      He pulled off the even more considerable feat of making everyone forget he’d been sacked from office in disgrace twice. Surely only retards would vote for any party such a man runs?

  58. 246
    John Bull says:

    Given this Government’s commitment to being ‘ tough on crime and the causes of crime’, did anyone canvass the opinions of the families of the Lockerbie Murders prior to the release of the convicted killer of their loved ones?

  59. 260
    Harvey Tuckett says:

    Just had a look at Labour List.
    What a piss-poor site -stale and fucking boring!!!

  60. 261
    tom.hibbert says:

    Foul mouthed comments by comment 260 = fouled up mentality.The conservative Cameron speaks and acts for companies and institutions whch have failed to invest in or create a manufacturing base in the Uk since the ’70’s. Tom.Hibbert.

  61. 265
    Anonymous says:

    Where is the Queen? WE NEED HELP !!




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