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		<title>By: jgm2</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/08/18/gold-plated-interns/#comment-223796</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 07:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem Antler my dear boy is that the suspision will be that the &#039;best&#039; student just happened to be the son or daughter of somebody already very high up in the Labour party heirarchy.

There will be no &#039;best&#039; about it.  The Labour Party is every bit as nepotistic as the old boys network in the City.  Merit doesn&#039;t come into it.  Which is why we have fuckwits like the Miliband and the Alexanders cluttering up public life with their imbecile pronouncements.  Supported by Mandelson, Harman and championed in the in-house paper, the Gruaniad, by the likes of Toynbee.

Jobs for the boys.  And girls.

And to hell with the rest of us.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem Antler my dear boy is that the suspision will be that the &#8216;best&#8217; student just happened to be the son or daughter of somebody already very high up in the Labour party heirarchy.</p>
<p>There will be no &#8216;best&#8217; about it.  The Labour Party is every bit as nepotistic as the old boys network in the City.  Merit doesn&#8217;t come into it.  Which is why we have fuckwits like the Miliband and the Alexanders cluttering up public life with their imbecile pronouncements.  Supported by Mandelson, Harman and championed in the in-house paper, the Gruaniad, by the likes of Toynbee.</p>
<p>Jobs for the boys.  And girls.</p>
<p>And to hell with the rest of us.</p>
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		<title>By: Can't be bovvered when the sun shines</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Can't be bovvered when the sun shines]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 13:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am also in a similar situation, only I work in the private sector for £21k a year. It soon goes with wife and kids. I don&#039;t work in London and local transport is not as accomodating here so I have to drive to work.  Petrol has just gone up again. I don&#039;t get benefits or relief aprt from child benefit because I foolishly married my loved one and we wanted the kids to have a stable life. However 29k for a fucking tax dodging uni leaver! what the fuk has he or she got it to spend on. Won&#039;t have a mortgage at that age and probably lives with mummy and daddy or daddy and daddy or mummy and mummy  around notting hill. This is just a bit of pocket money for them 3 months work wossat about 7and a half K and no tax probably.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also in a similar situation, only I work in the private sector for £21k a year. It soon goes with wife and kids. I don&#8217;t work in London and local transport is not as accomodating here so I have to drive to work.  Petrol has just gone up again. I don&#8217;t get benefits or relief aprt from child benefit because I foolishly married my loved one and we wanted the kids to have a stable life. However 29k for a fucking tax dodging uni leaver! what the fuk has he or she got it to spend on. Won&#8217;t have a mortgage at that age and probably lives with mummy and daddy or daddy and daddy or mummy and mummy  around notting hill. This is just a bit of pocket money for them 3 months work wossat about 7and a half K and no tax probably.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/08/18/gold-plated-interns/#comment-223071</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was assuming that the £29,191 was supposed to cover all their living costs and that they don&#039;t get any benefits. If you had any kids and live in london and don&#039;t get any benefits then earning £29,191 gross with no benefits/credits would put you pretty much on the poverty line.

If you earn £7000/year and are disabled then you&#039;d get a lot of extra cash from the government I assume, such as council tax rebate/benefit, tax credit or other benefits, or maybe a council/free house.

So it&#039;s not really comparing like-with-like to compare disabled (or the below) listed people&#039;s &quot;income&quot; with the intern&#039;s income. It&#039;s like saying that an MP only earns £64,000 when in fact their various tax-free expenses and family-given jobs takes them up easily to an equivalent gross salary of over £100,000.
I&#039;m not saying that disabled people, carers, pensioners, etc are given a fair deal, but I am saying that you need to compare like-with-like.

I&#039;m in a similar situation to the intern, in that I earn just enough that the government won&#039;t give me any meaningful benefits/credits, and I have kids, but I don&#039;t really earn enough to pay all the bills.

People in the £25k to £30k bracket with kids are by far the worst off under labour; we get fucked both ways; no benefits but increased taxes, especially regressive taxes like council tax. Our actual disposable income is probably about half what someone&#039;s is who&#039;s on the dole; my disposable income&#039;s pretty much negative once i&#039;ve paid the mortgage and food/utility bills etc.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was assuming that the £29,191 was supposed to cover all their living costs and that they don&#8217;t get any benefits. If you had any kids and live in london and don&#8217;t get any benefits then earning £29,191 gross with no benefits/credits would put you pretty much on the poverty line.</p>
<p>If you earn £7000/year and are disabled then you&#8217;d get a lot of extra cash from the government I assume, such as council tax rebate/benefit, tax credit or other benefits, or maybe a council/free house.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s not really comparing like-with-like to compare disabled (or the below) listed people&#8217;s &#8220;income&#8221; with the intern&#8217;s income. It&#8217;s like saying that an MP only earns £64,000 when in fact their various tax-free expenses and family-given jobs takes them up easily to an equivalent gross salary of over £100,000.<br />
I&#8217;m not saying that disabled people, carers, pensioners, etc are given a fair deal, but I am saying that you need to compare like-with-like.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in a similar situation to the intern, in that I earn just enough that the government won&#8217;t give me any meaningful benefits/credits, and I have kids, but I don&#8217;t really earn enough to pay all the bills.</p>
<p>People in the £25k to £30k bracket with kids are by far the worst off under labour; we get fucked both ways; no benefits but increased taxes, especially regressive taxes like council tax. Our actual disposable income is probably about half what someone&#8217;s is who&#8217;s on the dole; my disposable income&#8217;s pretty much negative once i&#8217;ve paid the mortgage and food/utility bills etc.</p>
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		<title>By: David Davis</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/08/18/gold-plated-interns/#comment-222976</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Davis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Can&#039;t the buggers type then? 

So what&#039;s Facebook for?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t the buggers type then? </p>
<p>So what&#8217;s Facebook for?</p>
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		<title>By: David Davis</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/08/18/gold-plated-interns/#comment-222970</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Davis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Simple: don&#039;t send them to &quot;uni&quot;....

Either move heaven and earth, preferably by downplaying your are their opportunities in life, to get them into a Hard-Science degree at either of the Two Universities, or else send them out to work aged 16 or after A-levels, to make their way.

&quot;Uni&quot; is a GramscoFabiaNazi de-civilisation construct. It is intended to produce State-snooper-bureauNazis in droves. After all, the stazi needed 10% of the whole country&#039;s population. 

The most worthwhile thing they do at &quot;uni&quot; is shag each other and get rat-arsed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple: don&#8217;t send them to &#8220;uni&#8221;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Either move heaven and earth, preferably by downplaying your are their opportunities in life, to get them into a Hard-Science degree at either of the Two Universities, or else send them out to work aged 16 or after A-levels, to make their way.</p>
<p>&#8220;Uni&#8221; is a GramscoFabiaNazi de-civilisation construct. It is intended to produce State-snooper-bureauNazis in droves. After all, the stazi needed 10% of the whole country&#8217;s population. </p>
<p>The most worthwhile thing they do at &#8220;uni&#8221; is shag each other and get rat-arsed.</p>
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		<title>By: David Davis</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/08/18/gold-plated-interns/#comment-222962</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Davis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Interns&quot; do seem to have mushroomed inside these big glass buildings, over the last 12 years or so...

....how surprising.

Perhaps it&#039;s that real capitalist firms can&#039;t afford the time or the space to house and &quot;train&quot; these little buggers. Only the pretend ones, in the NewLab Loop can do so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Interns&#8221; do seem to have mushroomed inside these big glass buildings, over the last 12 years or so&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;.how surprising.</p>
<p>Perhaps it&#8217;s that real capitalist firms can&#8217;t afford the time or the space to house and &#8220;train&#8221; these little buggers. Only the pretend ones, in the NewLab Loop can do so.</p>
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		<title>By: David Davis</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/08/18/gold-plated-interns/#comment-222939</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[David Davis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;What are the Three Things that God does not know?&quot;

Answers on a postcard please, to here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What are the Three Things that God does not know?&#8221;</p>
<p>Answers on a postcard please, to here.</p>
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		<title>By: oldfella teenybopper disco kid from the hood</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/08/18/gold-plated-interns/#comment-222922</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[oldfella teenybopper disco kid from the hood]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 10:31:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[thanks for the advice

how&#039;s the new name? better?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the advice</p>
<p>how&#8217;s the new name? better?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/08/18/gold-plated-interns/#comment-222888</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You need to change your dealer Freddie, he&#039;s selling you some bad gear man.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You need to change your dealer Freddie, he&#8217;s selling you some bad gear man.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No sorry plenty has changed as in those days many who got caught were punished in someway whether it be with Jail ( Archer, Aitken ) or resignations etc. Nowdays nobody but nobody gets punished and the Law comes nowhere near them. Absolutley scandalous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No sorry plenty has changed as in those days many who got caught were punished in someway whether it be with Jail ( Archer, Aitken ) or resignations etc. Nowdays nobody but nobody gets punished and the Law comes nowhere near them. Absolutley scandalous.</p>
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