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Max Clifford says…
“Most people want to read nasty things about people, not nice things.”
DisgustedOfMitcham2 says:
Maybe if they really wanted to “decontaminate the Labour brand” with business people, they shouldn’t have totally buggered up the economy?
Just a thought.
Did Rich and Mark have a particularly bad weekend?
It is about as funny as custard.
custard is quite funny , ask mandy
Why not ask Mandy why he met Gaddafi’s son in Corfu a week before the Libyan bomber is to be sent home? What did they discuss?
Bit thick, don’t get it.
When did John Major have a stroke?
{ready for Edwina gags..oh er..gags!}
Mandy always did like his Arab boys.
Bob. you know , the one with the greasy forelock and hitler moustache, Radio4 this am, is uncertain whether we’ll be in …..err….. Afghanistan for 40 years (not blimmin likely), 30 years, 20 years, 10 years, 5 years and 6 months, or even 2 years and 3 days. Bob, the visually challenged minister of soldiers wars and possibly possible or more likely impossible equipment sounded hesitant about stating a date for withdrawal. Didn’t sound sure about anything.
Acting as a useful stand-in for the American government, he failed to elucidate the fact that we are more anxious to defend pipe lines rather than eradicate propagation of poppies, fight the Taliban, or improve the lot of the people of….err… Afghanistan. Bob your job’s worth exactly …..err….nowt.
Lumpy custard isn’t funny, particularly when you’re ill in a NHS bed!
Barefoot contessa. Re Bob Who? Posting is class-pure class.
It is quite amusing when it’s green and thrown at Mandelslime, though.
Yes stinking rat, I’m very interested too in what was going on between mandelscum and Gaddaffi’s son. It could, of course, have been simply a close personal encounter? (unlikely!) Apparently it was a brief meeting, but how long is brief? You can say quite a lot in 24 hours. How many more political entrepreneurs met with the scum during his vacation in Corfu? I think we should know, after all he is acting PM.
Stinking Rat, doubt that Alex Salmond or Kenny Mackaskill would give s flying F**k for anything THAT man has to say.
Roobarb was much funnier
FOX News is the retirement home for News.
Where News goes to die & babble mindlessly & incoherently in it’s senility.
Please DO NOT ask that jammy (non) dodger !!!
anything !! this Huhne (see capital C) would be there
for the opening of an arsehole (his),only to let loose
with his own brand of SHIT !!!!!!!!!!!!.
Ummmm
what on earth??
Allahu Akbar – that’s all you need to know, Muslim boy
No, Shelling-Out, Rich & Mark spent the weekend watching a well known Stanley Kubrick film about a man in a wheelchair who wanted to destroy the world.
I applaud Rich & Mark’s efforts, unfortunately it is very quiet as it is only with one hand.
The entire issue about the NHS always gets reduced to doctors and nurses being underfunded. Nobody seems to take a gimlet to the bloated bureacracy.
Nobody seems to be savvy enough to realise that the argument is not about the poor sods trotting bedpans, but about Labours piss-poor handling of a Sovietised construct. Patricia Hewett (remember her? an Aussie on a world tour who got some part-time work as the Minister of Health. the term “drongo” could have been invented just for her), was being disected on Radio4 (Really!)
about her paralysingly inept stewardship of the NHS and came up with the immortal line, “how dare you insult the hardworking Doctors and Nurses of the NHS.” The interviewer (Redhead) was too gob-smacked to come back from that. That barefaced Brownie has been allowed to be Labour’s Defence in the face of 30.000 patient deaths from HAI in the last 10 years ever since.
You’ve got it in one – or two.
Bloated bureaucracy of over-titled, over-paid, Noo_Lie_Bore apparatchiks, lurching from catastrophe to catasrop-he.
And all presided over by a series of blathering nincompoops, following well worn commy platitudes.
And before that? – BottyBot!
Oh G*D !!!!
Bring back Sir Lancelot Spratt and the Carry On Team – they could do no worse, and quite possibly much better.
The NHS:
The home of the:
£17.40 light bulb
£ 3.25 toilet roll
£11.55 bottle of disinfectant…
Remember – there are two “support staff” for each doctor and nurse! There are more “managers” than there are beds!
Like everything these “leftist” morons have done, it’s a complete fuck-up – a monument to their ineptitude and “socialistic” dreams.
The press choose to ignore it when people do talk about the bloated NHS, and a debate is definitely required. http://bit.ly/1aS9sD.
yes yes yes whoopee we are all of the same mind,
the NHS really WANTS to be better.
Ditch the no idea (or too many) pricks & prats who
cost the ‘point of delivery) service BILLIONS of ££££££££
all this commitee & quango rubbish is THE rope around
social welfare !!.
Thats almost funny.
Ain’t no ceeegar tho
not bad , o/t andy health sec burhnam has written a post on labour list that is a best shamful
Where did he find the time? He’s too busy playing with his new toys.
curly. quite brilliant. I’ve posted the link all over the place with due H/T.
It’s… Hawking ???
fox news is funny , glen beck and o rielly make me laugh , i dont always agree with them , but better than bbc
My fridge is better than the BBC and it hums bad man
It better not have any processed foods or any ready meals with “E” numbers in it when we raid your flat otherwise we shall have to sentence you to 6 months in “Hell’s Kitchen” with Gordan Ramsay !!!!!!!
They make me laugh but in the way that you laugh at a freakshow as you can’t believe they let nutbag loons like those out unsupervised, never mind on TV.
I wouldn’t get my News from FOX unless I had a bizarre urge to find out why a particular item of News makes Republicans furious.
If there’s an earthquake or a flood I don’t need to hear twatty opinions from a far right crazy about how it was Gods punishment against evil Liberals and Democrats, I watch a real News Network to find out all the pertinent details.
Opinion is not News.
The BBC is not news either, and it’s much further left than fox is to the right.
they are both a load of shit.
They are without doubt both utter shit, because they serve the same masters, and support the same, rotten to the core, system.
The system going something like this.
America and The UK, have something very important in common with all of the rest of the entire world.
Which is that all nations work for their respective establishments, which in turn work for themselves and the worlds banking system. Which is in turn owned by a very small group of very rich and virtually anonymous, deaply psychotic, not to say pathologically insane individuals.
The system controls both left and right, as it invented and finances both. The lefts job is to borrow, spend and usually wast as much cash as they can get away with. While of course thinking up new ways of taxing and controlling us all. The rights job is to pay most of it back with the inevitable INTEREST. While of course thinking up new ways of taxing and controlling us all. They both do this by being very good at pretending to be doing the exact opposite. Which is why they get selected to be MP’s, because the public does not like, respect, or indeed desire to be told the truth. The plebs simply love being lied to, which is why they always elect the best liars.
This is known as THE SYSTEM. It is very clever, if for no other reason then the fact that hardly anyone is smart or brave enough to point out the highly obvious scam, for this reason. When brave people, such as myself do spell it out to the plebs, they are usually disregarded, insulted, or in some cases simply institutionalized.
Such is the nature of long term BRAINWASHING. Telling people they have been utter mugs all of their entire lives is a thankless hiding to nothing. If it were not so, more people would still be trying to wise you fools up. They give up very quickly, giving advice very much because sooner or later, they come to the conclusion that, “the wise do not need it, and fools will not ever, in a million years, heed it.”
Whats worse the only people who ever get themselves into a position to do anything positive about changing the system for the better, by definition already have absolutely no incentive to do so.
Politicans beholden to a far too powerful Financial sector in the Square Mile and Wall Street is no fantasy and the recent Bank Robbery of hundreds of Billions from Taxpayers laid it bare for all to see.
However that’s quite a bit different to an organized and all powerful cabal of a few Bond villanesque individuals pulling all the strings.
Life is not that simple. There is no convenient shadowy small group of “bad guys” to blame everything on. There is power, there is influence and most of all there is opportunism.
The world is not being controlled by illuminsts or esoteric cults or freemasons or the bilderberg group or the pope or the trilateral commision or the rockerfellers or the Queen or the EU or the NSA or a New World Order or little grey space aliens or socialism or capitalism or scientologists or any of the dozens of other competing panoply of belief systems.
You can however see the attraction and confort gained by those who would like a simple narrative to the world with a clear bad guy to blame ordering a clockwork and predictable universe around their dastardly plans.
The world is not being controlled by anyone.
The world is chaotic and it’s complimentary and clashing and intermeshing infinitely complex stytems of power money governments corporations religion technology and influence are simply beyond the control of any one group.
There are certainly those who wield great influence of course but they are mortal and they are fallible and anything but omnipotent.
A chaotic unpredictable world with no grand plan where the unexpected is commonplace and unforseen consequences of actions play out all the time, and where there are no guarantees good or bad, is infinitely more real and bleak and subsequently may just be too bitter a pill for some people.
@FOX News is………
The Banking System is powerful; but has more than paid its way over the last 12 years, (I hear the boos coming from the back row). The financial system, like it or not, has more than paid for all of the crazy Labour Governments’ plans of so called ‘investment’ (Wankers are as wacky as the worst of the bankers when it comes to declaring what an investment is or not!).
I tell you what – let’s treat the unemployed bankers like the Miners and throw money at the fuckers. Yes I hear you say, ‘but we have’. But you haven’t, you’ve throw it at the corps and not at the employees.
Why must Miners etc. be protected from market forces but Bank employees not? Why – because the left wing gits say not – well fuck’em – the bankers are coming back strong and will keep paying for you NHS, Fire Service, Police, Councils etc. You will forget them until the next depression in 10-70 years time.
Bankers understand (at least the workers bees) that if you fuck-up you fuck-off; something that neither the Unions or Political Classes never understood.
Q.E.D Atlas Shrugged!
Don’t waste your breath.
And Ahem, Mr Banker just remind me again, what is it you actually produce?
Do ensure that you’re first in line for your Baxter produced swine flu vaccine. Here’s a hint Czeck,Toronto sun,Baxter,vaccine.
You sound very sure of yourself again, was it to cramped under the rock where you’ve been hiding the last year.
Love Dixie
Perhaps you missed the fact that Bonuses are Back and some of the worst Bank offenders in taking corporate welfare are now busy showering the incompetent in the same type of bonuses that caused the ludicrously risky behaviour for a short term bonus bonanza ?
Only far right idealogues think that the Banks did not fuck-up royaly and are nice chaps really.
Both Osbourne and Darling have been talking about curbing the Banks and Cities worst excesses in the past few days. Even though they are not actually doing much to rectify the situation both the left and the right in Poltics realise that they can’t be apologists for the kind of irresponsible incompetent behaviour that cost the Taxpayer hundreds of Billions.
If Banks understood that if you fuck-up you fuck off then why are they still here ? They fucked-up. Their pet poodles and apologists can try to spin it to their hearts content that they did not but the public knows they did and even the Politicians who are the recipients of so much largesse from them know they did.
Almost all of the CEO’s and upper echelons are still there so they did not fuck-off. With only a scant one or two being thrown aside as a sacrificial offering to land gently with Golden parachutes and payoffs.
The Taxpayer funds the lions share of the NHS, Police and Fire services not the Banks. And if the Taxpayer got into the kind of astronomical debt they did the Government does not bail them out and said Taxpayer ends up bankrupt in pretty short order and probably under criminal investigation given the sums of money involved.
That they contribute to the Economy makes them no different to Taxpayers and small businesses or larger employers who do not always trot out excuses for incompetent behaviour nor say that it doesn’t matter what they did because they obeyed the Law and paid Taxes for years. Taxpayers, small businesses and larger employers do not get a free pass for their behaviour because far right idealogues think they can do no wrong.
Though to be fair you did at least concede that the workers on the ground in the Banks understand that and it is they who were laid off by the many thousands, not those actually responsible for the Banking catastrophe.
The worst offending Unions paid dearly for their egregious behaviour as the industries they represented were decimated because of their intransigence and outdated practices and unlike the Banks they have little to no real political clout any more.
When Politicians fuck-up they inevitably get booted out as the pathetic incompetent Brown will soon find out.
Actually, I think there’s something in what Fox News are saying.
There is. Analysis showed it to be depleted Ex-Lax.
… a suggestion, why not look at the “market place” that supports the drugs trade? Is it not US dollars that goes back out there to support the terrorists?
Robin Day gets it right first time.
Hee hee – splendid.
Excellent – but there are a few more who are worthy of this accolade.
Cult viewing.
Brilliant! Only a slip of the tongue?
Looks like Sir Robin got it right the first time and need not “correct” himself.
Did he say cult?
A bit of a slip.
Out of this world!
He looks like a young Dennis Skinner, aka “the beast of Bolsover”.
If anybody deserved that slip of the tongue he did, he’s still wearing that same jacket!!
Amusing – also funny how the beast seems to be one of their more honourable memnbers these days
There is an undertakers in Stafford that loves the NHS.
guess it is good for the local econmy then
Hey freddie you can be quite funny before the boozing kicks in.
thanks , nowt wrong with a beer or two and a blog where you can comment about the state of our politics
“There is an undertakers in Stafford that loves the NHS”
For some strange reason when I read your comment Chronic, this came into my mind – (the ’33′ was an afterthought…..
:
“Now that’s what I call Conspiracy (#33)”…
Let’s get our coats shall we?
I’m not a number, I’m a free man
Ahhhhh, in “reality” No 6, whatever ‘reality’ is….you/we ARE a number and YOU/ME/WE ARE A SLAVE from cradle to grave unless we awaken to the scam that’s been perpetrated upon humanity for millenia….
Your slave number is your social security/NI number and your certificate of delivery into Maritime Admiralty Law is your birth/berth certificate….geddit??
Watch the video (google) ‘the occult world of commerce’……
The socialists seem to be out in force in the Youtube comments on that one: setting aside the Fox agenda for a moment, its hard to fault the logic. And Birmingham, is it really 30% Muslim these days? Wow.
Do the sums – as NuLabour has – and it won’t be long before there’s a muslim majority hence all the sucking up to protect marginal seats and “win” the muslim vote. Muslims aren’t daft though, they can see the mess that NuLabour has made of crime, binge drinking etc, and hopefully they’ll be voting for change, not more of the same rubbish.
Not in a millenia will we give up bacon. Never.
I object to the racist nature of part of that post.
Some muslims are bloody daft, just like everyone else.
Bloody Hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is actually a good one this week.
Why the flying fook does call me dave want to ring fence the NHS, when everyone including those who work there can see that it is a crock of shite?
There’s nowt wrong with defending a national health service but why defend this fast becoming international albeit second rate health service that gives it’s UK paients (if they can actually get in to be treated) every flesh eating bug known to man?
I actually work in a hospital ward and I can tell you it’s not much fun being with sick people all day.
Despite our best efforts, quite a few of them survive to annoy us. My esteemed colleague, the late lamented Dr Shipman, carried out pioneering research into the answer before he was cruelly snatched away.
FFS – send them all home and replace them with comedians then.
Does no one have any initiative anymore?
“FFS – send them all home and replace them with comedians then.”
They tried that with the House of Commons, but look what happened there.
You never asked me to show any!
Shoot the bastards then.
You are ze first on ze list. Think of all the food you’ve wasted over the years you fat bellied bulemic сunt.
“Shoot the bastards then” – better still, less messy and lots of £££$$$ guaranteed for the manufacturers:
“just roll up your sleeve…..”
coming soon to an NHS facility near you…NOT – IN MY NAME.
some of them are ill as well
Quite right too
The NHS would be much better off if all those sick people just buggered off
Because “the NHS” ” is a “sacred cow” that no British politician or presumptive Prime Minister can dare slay and then hope to win an election afterward
tis a very strange thing that this “sacred cow” which is clearly ready for the knackers yard is defended by all and sundry who knw has to be put out of its misery.
It’s time to take away the palative care, let the cow pass away and bring in a new bloodline.
The NHS is great if you are fit and well. What can be done about the people who become a drain on it due to self-inflicted conditions?
>The NHS is great if you are fit and well.
Correction: it is great to be fit and well. And if you are, why should you penalized by all “the people who become a drain on it due to self-inflicted conditions?” The concept of insurance, of society, is all very well, but some of these fat bastards are just taking the piss.
Rather than introducing discretion (i.e. you won’t get treated if they think the condition is all your fault), just abolish the whole bloody nightmare and let us take responsibility for ourselves.
Oh, I forgot, we’re ruled by “socialists” who know better than we do what’s best for us.
SOME FAT NANNYING HYPOCRITES BEGGING FOR A STROKE/MYOCARDIAL INFARCTION:
John Prescott
Gordon Brown
Bob Ainsworth
Charles Clarke
Ken Clark
Nicholas Soames
etc. etc.
I’d like to know how many on that list actually use the NHS.
Actually I’m not all that bothered.
Which jokers say that the smokers and drinkers should be barred from treatment.
Bloody idiots that just about covers the whole country apart from the Muslims.
How often do they buy new mattresses in the NHS.
The one I slept on had pigeons, rats and goundhogs living in it.
France, Germany, Hong Kong and now Japan out of recession but we in the UK are quote “best placed to come out of the recession”.
well gordon knows best , i mean he used the nhs to get his teeth fixed
If he did, can I send him the bill for my family dental bill.
And we were “best placed” to face the recession as well. Such accuracy….such incredible foresight….
At the recent D-Day landings, my very old friend, President Omaha, complimented me on my handling of the credit crunch, agreeing that the UK was in the best position out of all the EU countries to ride the storm due to the fact that I, as Chancellor and now as Prime Minister, handled the economy so well that borrowings are lower for the UK than any other EU country and that we are in the best position to recover from this worldwide recession and again lead the world in manufacturing exports.
Complete an utter fock’n shite!
We knew this already didn’t we – at least, we should do by now:
Stacy Herbert and Max Keiser – Beware of Paper Wealth
Give him a shake. Wake up Gordon
UK economic recovery – Oops er – lags behind
“Britain’s ever-increasing budget deficit is a continued problem forthe UK economy, according to Duncan Higgins, senior analyst at Caxton FX. ‘The UK has spent far more in this recession bailing out the banks – an estimated £1.5 trillion. This rising deficit has repelled both consumer and investor confidence and prevented Britain from achieving similar rates of recovery.”
http://www.whatinvestment.co.uk/making-money/investment-funds/news/1066282/uk-economic-recovery-lags-behind.thtml
Meanwhile, unemployment in Spain rising at an astonishing rate. Over 18% now!
Funny how the single currency is being so cruel to those who were never suited to joining it in the first place! Who would have thought it?
How’s Greece, Italy and the emerald isle doing? :->
Yeah! French buy French Cars Germans buy German cars and the British don’t have any of their own cars so buy everybody elses.
Best placed alright. To help anybody but us to get out of recession.
RIP UK – in particular, England and Wales.
‘Twas always the agenda…..ordo ab chao ‘n all that.
Stop knocking Britain. We are making cars and our technical expertise and universities are more than than a match for the rest of the world. We can fight back albeit with a non treasonous government in future.
One of the worlds most successful industries yet to be known is based in UK and is UK owned.
Ivor, this unique industry to which you refer: it’s not the one where gas and electricity bills can be settled by ‘discrete’ friends of selected MPs fucking the debtors’ children up the arse, is it?
If so, it’s hardly unique. Nor moral for that matter. But totally Nu Labour, I’ll grant you that. Mandy’s dabs are all over it.
@Ivor
“One of the worlds most successful industries yet to be known is based in UK and is UK owned”
That would be the outsourcing to India industry, right?
Oh Dear America
American healthcare costs are inflated by rapacious drug companies and professionals. Ask any American if they think healthcare is value for money.
Yes, the NHS is a socialist ideal, but reforming it to make it efficient is what Labour should have done and the Tories hope to do. The same goes for Education and the civil service.
Physician Heal Thyself America
Americans have a tort law problem (i.e. a system designed for the benefit of lawyers, from politicians bribed by lobbyists).
The UK has a Tart law problem (i.e. all the politicians are trained lawyers who design a system to benefit themselves as lawyers and are bribed by lobbyists to keep the corporate gravy train running.
Just look at how the banks are making out like bandits trading for their own profit using cheap, taxpayer funds at 0.5%. Their core business of lending to you and me are virtually shut down while they scalp cheap funds for quick profit all sanctioned by Darling.
The politicians, lawyers, lobbyists and senior bankers are all troughing tarts
WHATEVER HAPPENED TO SERVANTS OF THE PEOPLE GORDON?
Banks are heavily regulated.
They lobbied for this regulation.
Why?
It keeps out competition, and allows them to continue to rent-seek.
Banks need to rebuild their balance sheets so of course they are profiteering at the moment – how else could they do it? Politicians know this but are manufacturing synthetic indignation for public consumption – the usual “a big boy did it and ran away” stuff.
Banks have always wanted to lend money to people who did not need to borrow it – right now a lot of people need to borrow money, so it follows that they will not be lending.
By the way who is this Aegeas – isn’t he the twat who drowned himself in error?
He is the inevitable result of a large pool of people resulting ocassionally in similar internet sigs.
However being unaware that there was a similar sig, and not being an oversensitive twat who’s got his panties in a bunch about fictitious nomenclature, I will at least have the courtesy to drop it now and use another.
Sorry Aegeas or whoever you are now going to be, I wasn’t being sensitive, just spiteful. Been watching my friend tat too much. Call yourself whatever you want.
Apologies.
Anyone who really believes that the USA healthcare system is better than the NHS should have their brain examined. Having been ill in both countries, having worked in both systems and knowing many others who have been in similar situations, it’s a no-brainer. IF you have money, and lots of it, you may in some cases do better if you go West; but if you’re an average Jo (or Joanna), the NHS is still far ahead. In the US, the health care insurance companies have cornered the market, driving up costs and making good healthcare unaffordable for millions. I don’t like Michael Moore much, but Sicko is uncomfortably close to the bone.
sorry – forgot to add – I agree with those who say we should be cutting out the bureaucrats. But hey – this is the golden age of bureaucracy, it’s not just the NHS that has been infested by desk-jockeys. Didn’t something very like this kill off the last Chinese empire?
In addition to a Ministry the NHS is run by over 750 boards, committees, executive councils, local health authorities and quangos.
There are now more administrators & consultants than hospital beds in the NHS.
The pound and FTSE today plummetting, yes the recession is really over.
It’s not rocket science lads, the NHS needs a new model of funding ‘cos the current one is a crock of shite.
How about charging people for the NHS based not on punishing them for how much they’ve done for others (income tax), but based on their own risk of ill health?
Anyone remember what National Insurance was for before government adopted it as an easy way to con the thick that it is not actually tax? Maybe the NHS needs an “old” model of funding?
The Doctors in the NHS used to be English. Very rarely would we see a doctor from another country. They were educated here and did their medical training here.
Once students came to university from abroad, they got their qualifications here, did a stint in an NHS hospital to get the experience, and then went back to their own country or emigrated somewhere else where earnings were more lucrative. A lot of our own doctors followed suit and then we had a shortage.
Because of that, we had to recruit from outside, and as immigration was so lax, no proper checks were carried out. The NHS has paid for the training of these people and they have left and taken their experience somewhere else. If they were contracted to stay working for the NHS for a period of time after qualifying, we may be able to claw back some of the funds spent on training. The NHS has a good reputation for it’s thorough training and this is recognised almost all over the world.
We’ve heard of surgeons in our hospitals performing operations, who’ve had no qualifications whatsoever, and it appears that their CV was taken at face-value. Governments are very keen to get the same personal information from partiots time and time again, but seem to have no proper and stringent checks on those who come into this country. I’m not surprised that there are so many middle eastern doctors and nurses. The NHS is in desperate straits, and their website has many vacancies for medics at all levels, and in all areas.
The NHS spends a fortune on agency nurses and locum doctors (GP’s) who come over for the weekend from their native countries like Belguim, Holland etc, to work for far more pay than they would earn in their own countries.
If any government had thought all this through properly, we may not be where we are now.
Governments never can plan properly. Market Based systems are much better (not perfect) at coping with change.
Plus when a big player in the private sector takes a hit, the loss is confined to its shareholders; a kind of automatic ring-fencing for incompetence. Oh shit, just remembered our banks! Scrub that.
Taxpayers should have taken no losses.
Those with losses shouldv’e been Shareholders AND BONDHOLDERS.
These bank bailouts where all to save the politically well connected (bondholders), at taxpayer expense.
It was a massive robbery.
Hey AC1 can you name some names (these BONDHOLDERS I mean). Seems they should be fleeced to help us taxpayers.
Other banks, probably. Plus the inevitable mutual funds (our pensions and guess which gets the preferential treatment). It’s almost like game after game of musical chairs, with the best banks somehow staging it in turns to get that last precious chair…
Patients are simply troublesome outsiders.
From now on the NHS should only look after healthy or dead people.
I have told Gordon Brown to introduce an Ambulance Scrappage Fee but he refuses to buy replacements.
That’s my consultancy over for the Day £2,400 please plus expenses.
The cheque’s in the post. No need to bother with an invoice.
BTW Mandy says the ambulance scrappage fee is a good idea so I’ve changed my mind.
“Patients are simply troublesome outsiders.” Exactly right, it’s an organisation for senior managers to go to during the day where they get paid vast sums of public money for running a third-rate bureacracy. We urgently need to find a political leader with some balls…..
No, I thought not, let’s not waste our time on such a fruitless search.
“We urgently need to find a political leader with some balls…..”
We’ve sent several teams out on search parties, but they’ve never returned.
Depressing, isn’t it?
Well don’t bother looking in Dave’s direction. He’s got no voice, no balls and no presence. Basically just a coiffured, neutered ponce.
Patients are mere clients these days. Soon it.ll be….Over 60? Yes….Out! Over weight? Yes…..Out! Smoker? Yes….Out! Drinker? Yes….Out! Support newlabour? No….Out! Got any dosh? No…..Out! Out! Out!
Why is my comment at 11.34 moderated? I was only stating the bl…… obvious!
Ah, & there my lovely was your mistake.
An interesting cartoon. Of course, Burnham would approve…
Don’t forget! Terrorism is good, says Andy Burnham
Cartoon could have been of H. M. forces chief surgeon telling the troops and everybody else on BBC news that health care is so much better now on the front line that yes you can survive with only one limb out of four still left and a piece of shrapnel in your brain when before it was only two out of four.
Timesonline:
“Three more British soldiers were killed in Afghanistan yesterday, taking the death toll to 204, as ministers prepared for an urgent request from Washington to send more troops”. Send more troops, as General Haig used to telegram Lloyd George for every two weeks.
Hear Hear!!
The problem with labour is that the fcuckers don’t have a decent days working in any of them
Brown and the Marxist Millitwat Twins lifes work is taking peoples hard earned away from then and re-allocating it their own personal fetishes such as Dancing Tsars whilst Nick Job Bobbit Robinson and RObert Peston get paid for giving a running commentry.
Life is one long holiday when you’re an MP. Work is just something they do in between.
We shall be needing to elect MP’s who serve as a vocation and then they will deserve any holiday. I mean; how much time does a proper, non corrupted, MP need in a working year to do the bloody things his or her constituents want him or her to do? FFS! Its not difficult is it. Vote U know who IP
The whips appear to have more influence than the constituents. If the constituents want something which goes against the party’s beliefs, the whips are sent round to persuade them to vote with the party.
This is wrong. Their first duty should be to the people who voted them in.
Once we get a party elected who can see that, we’ll all be a bloody sight better off. I’m not holding my breath, though.
Where there is prima face evidence against any M.P. they should be arrested and charged accordingly and that should be retrospective.
These thieves,and we all know who they are,should be prosecuted and
booted out of both Houses.
Whipping is too good for them. Stone them is what I say.
I think the guy with the lamp post and the piano wire got it right
more than one link.
Legal Words.
Names of Famous people.
was @ 102.
IBD said: In commenting on efforts to overhaul American’s health care system, we have tried to pull back the curtain and pay attention to those trying to clone the systems of Canada and Britain. But supporters of government-run health care frequently ignore some of the less-pleasant facts.
Much has been made of this statement in one of our Aug. 3 editorials: “People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn’t have a chance in the U.K. where the National Health Service would say the quality of life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless.”
It was a bad example, and we have acknowledged that.
No, it was not a bad example, it was either a lie or proof that nobody should take any notice of what IBD ever writes about anything.
Hawking writes books that no fucker reads on subjects that a nobody gives a shite about.
I say that the next time the drooling four wheeled twat suggests another foray into publishing we all tell him to fuck off as the coffee table is full and the brass bed is now level.
You are so ungrateful TBOC. If it wasn’t for Hawkins we wouldn’t have the speaking clock. His tones were world famous and second to none before that bird on the sat nav came along to aid blind motorists.
A Brief Moment in Time is an exellent form of contraception. Start babbling on about superstrings, virtual particles and multiple dimensions and the Mrs will be asleep faster than Two Jags can wolf an industrial sized pie.
A brief moment was supposedly all it took that waiter who somehow became Dp to shoot his load
… and bring a quarter of it back up again….
Only thing is Beast if it wasnt for Hawking and his ilk writing stuff “no one gives a shite about” you wouldnt have the internet nor your flat screened TV that u watch your porn on you fucking moron !
nobody likes you anticitizen and they don’t want to play your boring game.
get the message and fuck off innit.
Ow titfer don’t speak fereveryone.
and you can fuck off aswell you spastic.
I am top boy, what I say goes.
you are scum, you will take what you are given.
you slag.
You are (ex) Commander Ian Blair of the Met and I will forgo my £5 reward.
You’ve never been the same since you saw The Football Factory, have you TAT?
Are the shadow cabinet still pushing excrement through your letterbox? What a bizarre misfortune. I’m not surprised you get a bit riled up after that.
Dunno Love. For obvious reasons, we can’t see it!
“Patients are simply troublesome outsiders.”
The NHS removes customers (who decide who to pay) so instead you’re a cost.
All organisations minimise costs…
The terms for an organisation that’s run for the benefit of the staff not the people they are supposed to serve is “producer capture”. It tends to only occur in state induced monopolies.
not tha banks then ?
Of all the ironies, Stephen Hawking should know a black hole when he sees one.
How much did the voice recognition (So we could recognise him that is) ‘pooter cost and God knows how much a Motability Tardis 1.6 Turbo is these days
Hat tip, Carl
right lads if the nhs was so perfect then why do all our top sportsmen and women go elsewhere to get treatmant ?
and how many MPs have private healthcare?
do as we say not as we do
Is it expensible?
As the NHS unions had a private hospital scheme for their members last time I looked, ask them.
“Benenden Hospital was founded in 1907 and became the centre for hospital treatment for members of Trade Unions and Friendly Societies and subsequently large numbers of public sector employees who joined what is now the Benenden Healthcare Society. The Society has over 900,000 member and nominee subscribers.”
It appears that the socialists dont much care for the NHS either.
“The Society is a non-profit making friendly society funded by contributions from members (the level of which is determined by the membership itself). Its independent low-cost scheme is available to all Royal Mail, British Telecom, Civil Service and Local Authority employees, and those employed in related bodies and agencies. ”
Related bodies and agencies = Quangos and Quangocrats.
Having to go into NHS hospital? Do you really feel lucky?
Don’t knock it too much, lad!
The system may be creaking at the seams; the cleaners and the clerical staff – and of course the “Management Consultants” may be utter, utter SHITE, but the doctors and nurses really ARE the best in the world (well, those of them from these Isles trained in these isles, anyway).
I’ve been treated (at vast expense) at some of the fanciest clinics in Western europe and had to PAY shedloads for the privilege. I have to warn you people: the dox and nurses in the UK are worth hanging onto. Don’t tip the baby out with the bathwater. Get rid of the scummy bean-counters and “Management Consultants” by all means, but keep the jewels!
You’re right!
More consultancy and NHS initistatives
We spray hospital wards with the smell of death to deter sick people from visiting.
We introduced MRSA to cut down on the overcrowding and you still moan about having your leg amputated in the car park……oh should have been your arm sorry.
Yes we’re going to charge you for the Car Park and like all rip-offs it going to cost you an arm and a leg. PS next time you visit bring some blankets and a mop you ungrateful tosser.
And they don’t allow visitors to bring flowers anymore. How else are we supposed to mask the smell of death Maybe the facist government thought forists were making too much?
Florists. Bloody NHS computer.
What about the smell of shit that wafts through the corridors just when you take a bite out of your homemade liver pate sandwich that you’ve brought for your lunch?
No one thinks of that do they?
……and a lot of bleach if you want your relative to survive.
He he he all the way to the bank!
Scrap all the NHS targets and every manager responsible for fiddling the figures to fit the targets.
Replace them with a patient audit for every NHS patient/procedure/consultation.
“Are you satisfied with the service that has been delivered to you?
Answer yes or no.”
That is all that matters in a publicly funded service.The results cannot be fiddled.
The attitude of all political parties to the NHS is utterly dismal and an admission of failure. They all want to keep an inefficient, dirty service that treats patients as serfs with no rights whatever. Why?
State retirement age is due to rise to 68 years for everybody in 2044.
The NHS’s functions by then will have been reduced primarily to providing pretend employment; secondarily to despatching, in the most gruesome and prolonged fashion imaginable, ailing old malcontents who refused to opt for euthanasia on their 68th birthdays; and thirdly to dispensing the odd sticking-plaster or two.
….to elderly, confused patients who have fallen off hospital trollies (true story).
Dont joke Labours Baroness Warnock has already mooted voluntary suicide for the elderly and Im not kidding.
Is she leading by example ?
Absolutely right.
The “patient audit” idea is one that has a great deal to recommend it, especially if it carried out by an independent and disinterested body of some description, which publishes its findings regularly.
But since when has any audit under this government been independent?
No doubt they would set up yet another quango led by a team of directors and managers, who will produce whatever statistics best suit their political paymasters.
Same shit, different day…
True, it wouldn’t happen under this government. One lives in hope that it might happen under a more enlightened one.
201.
Ask the British troops who have been bought home wounded & dumped into an NHS A & E & then abused by certain members of staff with a certain religious persuasion if the NHS is a breeding ground for terrorism.
British troops out.
ALSO don’t forget that it wasn’t so many years ago that British Armed Forces personnel returning from service in Iraq were required to change out of uniform into civvies on the tarmac in the freezing Winter before entering a certain “civil” airport in the Midlands in case they caused offence to any of our “citizens”(!!!!!!)and that the wearing of Union Jack lapel badges by police at Heathrow recently was also deemed offensive until the public uproar caused the Met to climb down.AND then we have people like Ainsworth saying that he finds some of the British public;’s scepticism re Afghanistan War “defeatist”- You couldn’t make it up !!!
Vote ukip
Give Ainsworth a rifle and put him in the front line.
give me a rifle and I will sort that fucking c’unt out.
it would be an honour for me to double tap that fucking weasel.
I’ll put it up on youtube innit.
seconded.
It’s 1939, Gordon Brown is Prime Minister,Bob Ainsworth is in charge of the armed forces. Mr Hitler is knocking at the door……..
Does Gordon go down in history as the man who saved us.
Indeed what politician from whatever party could inspire the nation today.
And why are the British left wing so adamant that the Lockerbie terrorist is innocent?
Would they be so sure & vociferous if he were a Jewish terrorist who blew up an Arab airline?
Something stinks here – has Son of Gaddafi promised to bankroll the British left wing in the coming wilderness years?
It is possible that he is a “patsy”. Convicted to cover up a bigger secret. Now in order to buy his silence,he is to be sent home.
In a word Iran. And political expediency at the time of the bombing.
Stinks murderers of PC Evonne Fletcher who was shot from the Libyan embassy never brought to justice either
Labour are “close” to the Libyan regime – always have been.
Who can forget Tony of Sedgefield standing atop the dunes in the desert welcoming his friend back into the international fold?
Effendi….
Why are Labour so close to this terrorist regime?
That is the question.
Anyone who has heard Gaddafi Snr speak on the changing demographic in Europe knows he has just changed tactics, not his war aims.
We insult the memory of PC Evonne Fletcher with every appeasing step under this international marxist scum masquerading as a British Government
you’re closer to the truth than you know.
First Mark and Rich cartoon to make me laugh, I have to say… Stephen Hawking as Dr Strangelove
you are rich and i claim my 5 pound
The context is flawed.
In the movie, Dr Strangelove was on the side of the angels. USAF Col Jack D Ripper, mad as a hatter, was the instigator of Armageddon.
So, in that instance, that it all began in America rang true. Still, the colonel’s psychosis, revolving around a perceived conspiracy to contaminate his precious bodily fluids, was umpteen times more convincing than the ravings we get fobbed off with by Brown and the Labour bewildered.
No Albacore, Herr Doktor Starngelove was happy for many of the people to become angels, not on the side of…..
You are Colonel Bat Guano and I claim the $1 million reward from the Coca Cola Corporation.
How could Herr Doktor Merkwurdigliebe be other than a good egg? He recommended to the Prez that the deep mineshafts (where surviving humanity would re-establish itself) be populated with ten gals for every guy.
Not quite your 72 virgins, but near enough.
It made me laugh.
you are mark i claim another 5 pound
You are freddie flintoff and I claim my £10.00.
just get the beers in
It made me cry.
Not with laughter.
I’m not Mark so you’ve no right to claim £5.
didn’t he fill in the 65 page form either?
You are Mark Oaten MP and can therefore claim your well-filled nappy and flatpack glass-topped coffee table on expenses.
200 dead supporting these American right wing fuckers, get the troops out, and stop brown nosing up to the yanks.
Tosser,
I agreed with going in to destroy the Taliban.
What I cannot stomach is the left wing fucknuts like you using out troops deaths in the same way that Labour are now using the word “patriotic” at every opportunity.
British troops out – not for your pathetic low life reasoning but because the fight for civilisation in Afghanistan is lost – it was lost when the French & the Germans & all the rest of those mealy mouthed EU – NATO fuckers refused to play their part.
The lefties hate the armed forces, it was those c un ts who use to spit at soldiers during the N Ireland troubles and go on demos calling for troops out. Then the lefties allowed murdering terrorists to be released from prison early as a bribe.
So, as you can imagine it’s a bit rich that the marxists are now pretending to love the armed forces while simulatneously starving them of the right equipment and putting a baffoon in charge of them.
Strictly speaking that should be buffoon, but baffoon describes the twat perfectly.
“The lefties hate the armed forces” …Joseph Stalin, Ho Chi Minh, Fidel Castro?
Well said that man Have an extra ten minutes in yer Basher
no pal. The French & Germans wouldn’t stand for sending their young people to an illegal war to fight people who have never harmed them.
Both France (a few) and Germany (a lot) had citizens murdered in the WTC atrocity.
And as we all know Saddam had fuck all to do with that.
The Taliban did though.
you are confusing the Taliban with BinLden as all the little spinning NuLiebore drones are busy doing just now
with that c’unt ainsworth being the worst
No. send more Brits. double, treble the number. those council house fuckers must die for freedom and democracy in the Middle East.
I think that if we could actually win it would do a lot of good. The problem is that we’re not winning. More Afghans as well as Brits will die if we mess it up than if we do it properly. If we just pull out, on the other hand, the bad guys will move on into Pakistan.
Nuke ‘em. But bring the troops and council houses back to the uk first.
It really is quite amusing to hear so many “proud of the nhs” statements flying around the country as if it is an untouchable sacred cow.
It’s a cow that needs slaughtering; a death machine killing patients daily that needs terminating.
The NHS is the second largest employer in the world.
Would you get rid of the staff too, or just the service?
If something costs £1 & you only have 99p you cannot afford it.
When you consider this particular statistic, second only to the army in China I believe, it is crazy, by population size, that is a lot of people with a NHS wage slip each month. Just go a sit in a hospital corridor for a couple of hours and watch the traffic of people going past. There must be at ony one time 20% of the staff in the corridor, some going past several times, one way or another, eating food and droping it on the floor, how clean is that. Staff in suits, uniform, maintenance staff, management, clerical, all there doing a job, but there must be ‘waste’ in some of this activity? The NHS is something to be proud of, but something we shoule be able to make comment or observation about without fear of becoming an outcast. The NHS could consume every penny of our national output in a blink of an eye. Hard choices have to be made when looking at how much it does cost to have this noble statement of ‘available at the point of need’, but what has to be explained is the bill at the end to the tax payer or ‘is there a better way to achieve the same for less’. What we need is a sensible and pragmatic debate, lay the cards on the table and then ask the people to decide. Hopefully, we will be able to do that sooner rather than later.
The NHS used to be something to be proud of (though it has never been perfect). It is now a disorganised and ineffective behemoth.
A sensible and pragmatic debate would be welcomed.
Unfortunately politics today is based on the ” if you are not for us (completely) you must be against us” mindset. Very close to the ” if you talk about immigration you must be a racist” point of view. The rise of right wing parties is a direct result so that worked well didn’t it?
Any sign that your opposition has a worthwhile idea that could be supported is stamped on as being a sign of weakness on your behalf. Nothing will change until some middle ground can be found and both sides are prepared to talk sensibly. This is not going to happen with the current government and opposition ( even if the roles are reversed).
A previous Labour administration was forced to take a knife to NHS costs by the IMF. Unfortunately with the lack of political courage, that was the only way costs could be regulated. It may be the only way this time.
Costs are best regulated by customer demand. In fact there’s no other effective way.
ACO. I agree but as taxpayers we bear the cost whether we use the service or not. (Tax)Slaves are not customers, just a resource to be squandered. If there is no way of having customer control of a service, the IMF may be the only answer.
Big D,
I agree.
Yes it hurts me to say, the NHS remains free at the point of use for anyone who is resident in the UK or fit enough to use it.
That however does not include the ambulance ride which will now be charged at £60 per mile with siren off and £75 with siren on. Ambulance parking is free for healthy or dead patients and you can book and pay online for your ambulance ride up to 30 days in advance.
Now you understand why us NHS consultants are paid billions.
Free at the point of use ONLY for immigrants who have never paid UK taxes
“free at the point of use for anyone who is resident in the UK”
You are joking, aren’t you?
The word ‘Free’ is an interesting one, used cleverly by the government, who conveniently forget to show in the form of an annual statement when you submit your tax form how much it has cost. If they could charge for the air we breath they would, what’s that I hear, somebody is working on that stealth tax as I write?
Tax on alcohol and tobacco goes into NHS doesn’t it or if not it should do. I don’t partake myself but the tax raised is bullions.
Aren’t plans afoot to charge us for the views we get through our windows?
197- if we elect a government who is patriotic and not subservient to a foreign regime then we won’t hear talk of taxing views lest the elected politicians wish to be hanged by popular concensus. No?
Why can’t we have a similar system to France? They have lower heart disease rates, lower cancer rates and fewer waiting lists. I’ve seen the inside of a french hospital, clean, lots of staff, plenty of beds and no overcrowding. Plus people who are not so well off still get access to top flight care.
Because our politicians are thick?
“Because our politicians are thick?”
I firmly believe that you are onto something there, Monty.
Only if their insurance is up to scratch.
We can have a system like France has if you vote Conservative or Labour. Well that’s the plan. Same with the police, etc; we’ill make things so bad you will be begging to be european
Governments don’t think about tomorrow (unless they can tax you for it today) otherwise you are on your own.
As long as MP’s have their index linked copper bottomed pensions they don’t care.
Pretty much anything Westminster is involved in is a disaster its up to you to suffer or get stuffed!
So now you know, keep voting folks you sad buggers.
NHS?
Follow the money.
Who is really gaining from the billions pumped in?
“We Love the NHS” say the ruling elite Twitterers – yes, I bet you do.
Too many chiefs and not enough Indians. Hospitals were better when Matron stalked the wards. Like the country, the management in charge know nothing about their subject, only interested in their salaries and pension pots!
Looking at some of the fatties who abound in the hospital where I work, it’s like being on a visit to Disneyland, Orlando, only with sick people getting free rides on beds and stretchers……..and I’m just talking about some of the staff nurses and sisters.
A friend of mine suffered an episode of industrial poisoning a few years ago and was admitted to a first line A&E ward at Addenbrookes for observation and diagnosis.
One of the patients had a gastroenterological problem which impacted on toilet hygiene, which due to staff shortages were not cleaned for a week.
The cleaners when they appeared were teenagers with no training.
They cleaned the toilets and then used the same mops to clean the ward, which had not been cleaned for a week either.
If Cameron cannot be truthful about the state of the NHS and accept that things need radically changing, then he is not the man this country needs.
A better service can and should be provided, and it does not necessarily need more public money to do it.
Those who work in the NHS do so because they get paid for their labour.
How can they then condemn the capitalist profit model as an incentive to service providers?
The State can still pay, but need not be involved in service provision.
That was Bevan’s original plan – remarkably farsighted for a socialist.
Visited my mother in West Suffolk Hospital.
The only available lav was stacked high with un-emptied bed pans which you had to pick your way through to get to the loo and the stench in there was unbelievable.
There was a piece of ribbon from discarded flowers under the opposite bed when she arrived — 3 weeks later, it was still lying there when she was discharged.
60% of NHS employees are bureaucrats and things are getting better by the week. We are targetting 75% by the election.
7.2% of NHS employees are doctors and less than a third are qualified nurses but as a NHS consultant on billions we are consulting with the bureaucrats to reduce these extortionate numbers of doctors and nurses.
It’s not as though there’s much to do. The cooking and cleaning have all been contracted out and anything difficult is done by external consultants. Still, you could always stick up the car parking charges and convert some of the wards to more shops if the desk pilots still need more money.
That’s politics for you
So why is Alan Alda in the wheelchair and when was he ever a patient of the NHS?
Breeding ground for terrorists eh? Now remind me…who supported the IRA when they were active? Where was NORAID based then? Where were Armalites (AR 18) made bought and exported from then?
What short memories (or is that selective memories) our American “allies” have.
Quite a few NHS workers of my aquaintance still support the IRA and INLA,All are leftie labour voters and educated in this country.I am Irish born and they cannot comprehend that my views are diametricly opposite to theirs.
Is diametricly Irish for diametrically?
This topic is too important to be peadantic imo
NO, my apologies, just a moment of laziness
“NHS is a ‘Breeding Ground for Terrorists’ – Fox News”
They’re correct. Ask anyone who’s waited hours in an outpatients clinic, or tried to apply for a Blue Badge, or waited for test results, whose tried to make a cpmlaint…
The fucking medical admin stassi will be with you soon – all fucking wonks just filling in their tick boxes – these are terrorists in our midst
My local A&E is so rough there is a sign which reads: ‘Please Turn Off Your Mobile Phone As It May Cause Interference to Tasers’ There’s a Knife Amnesty Box where the water cooler used to be. If you put £2 in the vending machine, press 34, you can get a DIY stitching kit if the queue is too long on a Friday night. The sign at the exit says ‘Wipe Your Feet’
My comment deleted. It was wholly reasonable neither contentious nor inflammatory.
Frankly Guido, you are becoming like the BBC
“”Frankly Guido, you are becoming like the BBC”"
When Guido forces you & I to pay for his blog under threat of prison if we refuse you may have a point.
Until then you are a fucknut.
+++Applause+++
132 Seconded
All right, then; thirded
Cuts all round, that’s what’s needed.
well said mad fred
Speaking of the BBC, nothing at all on the BBC News website about Millipede condoning terrorism.
Shall we give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that their webmasters are just a little groggy this morning?
You’re wrong there. Was mentioned on radio 4 this am. Ming C was interviewed about milliband’s comments on a previous programme. Milliwotsit had been commenting on terrorism in South Africa. Both men interviewed this am thought he should not have defended terrorism even when it came to blowing buildings up that did’nt involve human loss. BBC website obviously rusty this am.
Nothing from Millipede about Afghanistan either. Where is he hiding?
Has there been a coup? Are the army now in charge? They’ve taken over the media today.
If the army, what’s left of them, have taken over what a blessed relief!
I, for one, welcome our new military overlords.
Looking at some of the fatties who abound in the hospital where I work, it’s like being on a visit to Disneyland, Orlando, only with sick people getting free rides on beds and stretchers……..and I’m just talking about some of the staff nurses and sisters.
Council Tax rebates for patients who use garbage trucks to visit hospital in an emergency rather than an ambulance, no detours, bins will still be emptied.
Further Council Tax rebates for greener patients who come in a wheelie bin, weight restrictions apply.
“Gordon, Gordon the garbage man is at the front door”
“Sarah darling tell him we don’t want any”
Building a better greener tomorrow, the NHS. Before your next visit order your recyclable coffin online.
LIBYA
Libya has the largest proven oil reserves of any African country at 42 billion barrels,— equal to about 3 per cent of the global total. Its gas reserves are some 1.5 trillion cubic metres, the fourth-largest in Africa.
But Libya remains relatively unexplored, and the potential for fresh discoveries means that the true total could be far higher. That is why Libya’s return to the international fold has triggered a scramble for drilling rights among international oil companies.
Three of Britain’s biggest — BP, Royal Dutch Shell and BG — have already signed preliminary deals to provide cash and expertise to develop Libya’s investment-starved oil and gas industry. Shell signed in 2004, only months after Libya publicly abandoned plans to develop weapons of mass destruction, and the UN Security Council voted unanimously to lift sanctions.
AFGHANISTAN
Afghanistan can play a role in hosting pipelines connecting Central Asia to international markets, but the country itself has significant oil and gas deposits.
During the Soviets’ decade-long occupation of Afghanistan, Moscow estimated Afghanistan’s proven and probable natural gas reserves at around five trillion cubic feet and production reached 275 million cubic feet per day in the mid-1970s. But sabotage by anti-Soviet mujahideen (freedom fighters) and by rival groups in the civil war that followed Soviet withdrawal in 1989 virtually closed down gas production and ended deals for the supply of gas to several European countries.
Major Afghan natural gas fields awaiting exploitation include Jorqaduq, Khowaja, Gogerdak, and Yatimtaq, all of which are located within 9 kilometers of the town of Sheberghan in northrern Jowzjan province.
Natural gas production and distribution under Afghanistan’s Taliban rulers is the responsibility of the Afghan Gas Enterprise which, in 1999, began repair of a pipeline to Mazar-i-Sharif city. Afghanistan’s proven and probable oil and condensate reserves were placed at 95 million barrels by the Soviets. So far, attempts to exploit Afghanistan’s petroleum reserves or take advantage of its unique geographical location as a crossroads to markets in Europe and South Asia have been thwarted by the continuing civil strife.
In 1998, the California-based UNOCAL, which held 46.5 percent stakes in Central Asia Gas (CentGas), a consortium that planned an ambitious gas pipeline across Afghanistan, withdrew after several fruitless years.
The pipeline was to stretch 1,271km from Turkmenistan’s Dauletabad fields to Multan in Pakistan at an estimated cost of $1.9 billion. Other partners in CentGas included the Saudi Arabian Delta Oil Company, the Government of Turkmenistan, Indonesia Petroleum (INPEX), the Japanese ITOCHU, Korean Hyundai and Pakistan’s Crescent Group.
An additional $600 million would have brought the pipeline to energy-hungry India. Energy experts in India, have long been urging the country’s planners to ensure access to petroleum products from the Central Asian republics, with which New Delhi has traditionally maintained good relations.
IRAQ
Iraq has the second largest, and Saudi Arabia has the largest proven oil reserves. Drilling to unexplored fields might even show that Iraq have even larger oil reserves than Saudi Arabia. The importance of the Persian Gulf lies also with another very important issue: The oil is of high quality, and is very cheap to explore, produce and transport.
IRAN
Iran has – after Saudi Arabia and Russia – the world’s third-largest oil and natural gas reserves. With around 10% of proven petroleum reserves, the country has some 5% of global crude oil production.
Head of the Center for Research on Energy and Environment believes that Iran’s uranium reserves can generate energy equal to 44 billion barrels of crude oil, using modern technology and methods. These reserves, which now stand at 12,000 tons, can produce energy equal to 880 million barrels of oil using domestic technology. He puts Iran’s coal reserves at 13 billion tons and probably 50 billion tons.
Interesting and thought-provoking…..
Nothing to do with terrrorist threats, is it.
Just goes to prove that oil is thicker than blood. More profitable as well.
Can’t you see this is all the more reason to be attacking these guys to stop them burning all these hydrocarbons and ruining the climate?
Veeeeery interesting! Thanks vm for that oil info. Worse thing that can happen to a country is to have oil reserves. Well, Scotland had a little.
I always listen to the Health Care Assistants where I work rather than the doctors or nurses. They’ll say something like, “Mrs Whotsit will be dead within a week”……… and do you know what, they’re usually spot on.
Gross. Seriously unfunny.
But true.
Come on Alex (Salmond), pull your finger out! Stand up for the Scottish legal system (Roman Law), and tell the Americans to go and jump in the loch. Scotland doesn’t have to be pushed around by global spoon stirrers like the US of A. If they think Magrahi should be set free, then do it. The man probably didn’t commit the crime, he’s terminally ill, and better relations could possibly be forged with Libya. Stand up for yourself and your independance in Scotland. There are enough Scottish traitors in England selling the English down the river!
The NHS is a great idea in principle – such a shame it’s been hijacked by greedy managers and health tourists who put nowt in but take everything out. My faith in the NHS is pretty low these days.
Mind you, private hospitals can be no better – my dad was killed by an infection he picked up in a BMI hospital. I guess there are going to be both positive and negative experiences from both sides of the fence. My last experience in an NHS hospital (in 2003) was great, but the one prior to that (in 1996) in a different hospital, which has since closed and is being turned into flats, was a nightmare.
However, that said, some of the comments coming from journalists and politicians stateside are way over the top in my humble opinion.
> The NHS is a great idea in principle
It’s not, even a cursory look tells you it can only harm the country over the long term. Health is personal not collective. Collectivised systems kill.
ACO – “Collectivised systems kill”
Jung 1945: “Loss of the instinct of self-preservation can be measured in terms of dependence on the state….What a distressing sight it was to see the whole of Germany heave a sigh of relief when a megalomaniac psychopath proclaimed, “I take over the responsibility!…..The steady growth of the welfare state is no doubt a very fine thing from one point of view, but from another it is a doubtful blessing, as it robs people of their individual responsibility and turns them into infants and sheep.”"
Neotinisation. i.e. turning people into state pets. Pets are creatures that never enter an adult stage.
Want to know why we have so many people running around behaving like kids? It’s because that’s what the state’s trained them to be. State Pets. They’ll also vote for whoever promises the most “doggy chews”.
Absolutley. And thrown in to this mix we then get politicians who are little short of pathological in their (in)capacity to appreciate their own motives. Whatever talk we get of ‘liberty’, and whatever their best intentions, the opportunity of centralising power into their own person proves too much. And the state grows on, ready for the next incumbent of No10.
The power of the British State to condition its citizens to the politically correct opinion has never been greater, or used more blatantly.
Politicians seek to create the impression that greater State involvement solves all ills.
More and more legislation is passed to define how we should live our lives.
Individual liberty is rapidly draining away.
Meanwhile in China the liberalisation of the population is fundamental to their rapidly advancing economy.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/r/ronaldreag147689.html
“Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them.”
Ronald Reagan
Thank you Anti Citizen One, Ronald Regan got it spot on. At the moment it seems we are determined to unlearn these lessons.
God help us if Alistair Darling is allowed to tell everyone what they can earn.
Are Rich and Mark two people? ‘Cos it looks as if it only took half a brain to come up with today’s “cartoon”.
Pretty pink though.
Both bare feet and contessas really turn me on, so you’ve hit the jackpot madam.
Has anybody noticed the levels of obesity in hospitals these days, it’s like being on a visit to an American theme park or resort, only with sick people getting free rides on beds and stretchers……..and I’m just talking about some of the staff nurses and sisters.
too true
Far sweaty pie-scoffing nurses breathing cigarette fumes over you (almost all of them smoke) as they shove a needle in your arm….I bet there are web sites for that somewhere.
What about the patients clustering outside the hospital door attached to their drips and their fags? Surely there is a risk of contaminating hospital equipment here. On the plus side, it gets the patient out and about more quickly.
When clowns like this are listened to be afraid be very afraid
If you’re demented, you’re wasting people’s lives – your family’s lives – and you’re wasting the resources of the National Health Service. I’m absolutely, fully in agreement with the argument that if pain is insufferable, then someone should be given help to die, but I feel there’s a wider argument that if somebody absolutely, desperately wants to die because they’re a burden to their family, or the state, then I think they too should be allowed to die.”[3][4][5]
Baroness Warnock
My father-in law had terminal cancer. We had to fight to get his pain reduced by drugs.
He knew he wouldn’t survive it, but the hospital kept him going for as long as they could. He was in severe pain and just wanted to slip away in his sleep.
But that’s not the NHS policy. He suffered for weeks.
Is this the sort of system we want?
Who cares what system other people want. Health is NOT collective.
What treatment did your father-in-law want? That’s what’s important. The state or public opinion has no role here.
ACO I wholeheartedly agree with you.
It scares me to think that I may be in the same position myself in a few years’ time, and I hope I will have the right to choose my own treatment and destiny.
My father-in-law was not given that right.
NO! It’s not true that “He was not given that right”. The right to control his own destiny was TAKEN from him.
Very distressing. I think we all agree it is inhumane to allow this sort of pain.
It needs proper legislation for this catagory of illness.
Labour policy on the NHS.
Stifle all debate by personally attacking and smearing all those who critcise the NHS because Labour have no other defence.
Remember what happened when they stifled any debate on immigration?
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/5266698/why-we-need-a-proper-debate-about-healthcare.thtml
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/5268323/andy-burnham-tries-to-make-nhsdenial-a-thought-crime.thtml
we all have to think one way about anything , thats why labour will be voted out they got pissed on power
I think you have hit on something here.
All of the ZaNuLieBore cabinet wonks immediately jump on any opposition “sound bite” and make the most vicious personal attacks backed up PravdaBEEB and the ironically named Guardian.
Gordon Brown’s pledge to end the culture of spin at No 10 is just another big fat lie
They are desperate, down to your last 10p and staking it all on the last throw. Like cornered rats in the last chance saloon on the sinking ship… sensible debate about one of the most important public services going, no ruddy chance. There’s an election soonish don’t ya know?
Labour’s childish and hysterical rants, Dave’s cowardly ducking and diving, come on boys, grow up. Give us something positive to vote for PLEASE.
I might need this service soon, heaven knows I have paid for it, all I want them to do should that happen is care about me as an individual, give me appropriate treatment and keep me informed. Isn’t that hard really is it?
Oh and to add, if there’s a box I can tick that entitles me not to be counted for statistical analysis of how marvellous the service is can I tick it now please. All you need to do is ask me afterwards if I was satisfied and if not try to improve. If I am unable to answer ask my next of kin.
Thank you.
UK consumer price inflation now 2.5% higher than eurozone average: 1.8% versus -0.7%
UK has highest inflation amongst developed countries.
Don’t you just love it when you’re top at something!
Thanks to the tough decisions I have made to print 175bn quid so far this year on top of the 200bn quid I shall be borrowing then we have beaten deflation.
Yes. You may have beaten deflation, but we’ll be well on the way to inflation by then.
It’s like that fat bloke in the I beat Anorexia t-shirt.
Gordon Brown and Mugabe in matching “I beat deflation” t-shirts.
Well done Gordon!
O/T but with reference to a previous comment likening Guido to the BBC, page 50 of the current Radio Times, previewing “Single- Handed” last night, and I quote: “If Gordon Brown were a policeman, he’d be a bit like Jack. Not as handsome, obviously, but dogged, unsmiling, plugging away until he gets results.” The BBC biassed? Surely not!
“until he gets results ? ” ok Gordons “Results” consist of the worst economy in living memory or am I missing something??? By the way did anyone see him on TV yesterday he looked awful. Step down man for the Sake of the Country, the Party and your health.
If it comes down to my health, I’ll be going private of course.
I know. You’re just too important to catch MRSA or that other dificile one.
I thought he looked dreadful too – I thought his holiday was supposed to do him good.
The results are in this carrier bag which you can tell is bursting and extremely heavy. Case proven.
No, don’t look in it till I’m out the door…
David Miliband M.P. supports terrorism: http://eotp.wordpress.com/2009/05/17/2009-new-labour-david-miliband-m-p-parsite/
Coming Soon at a Cinema near you. ” Please Dont Carry On Minister”
Staring
Kenneth Williams as George Osbourne
Charles Hawtrey as Hilary Benn
Sid James as Alan Sugar
Kenneth Conner as Phil Willis
Hattie Jacques as Jacqui Smith
Jim Dale as Andy Burnham
Bernard Bresslaw as Denis Macshane
Barbara Windsor as Hazel Blears
Jack Douglas as Bob Ainsworth
Lance Percival as milord Mandelson
No, let Mr Ainsworth play himself, he is quite funny at it.
Laugh – I could have died!
PM. Strangelover, or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Brown
That’s a direct quote from David Furnish’s wedding vows.
look we are all fucked ( cheers tony and gordon ) lets do what we always do and get our heads down and get on with it , while the mps have a bitch
The Curse of Gordon spreads to America through Browns Iheartnhs twitter campaign, as Obama sends his NHS-style government-run insurance to the ER room
All this worthy debate doesn’t obscure the fact that the cartoon is rubbish. Again.
It is also offensive. To those of us who quietly promote the nuking of baby seals, it is offensive.
So now we are told by Andy ‘there are no waiting lists on the NHS anymore’ that to criticise the NHS is unpatriotic. Even TWatson’s got in on the act attacking DanH*nnan’ balanced criticisms. And bob’aintbustingagut’ is also calling those of us who criticise the govt’s appalling lack of a strategy for Afghanistan and total lack of support for our soldiers unpatriotic. Next they’ll be threatening to charge anyone who criticises them for their montrous failings with treason!!
What an absolute asinine shower they are.
Let’s face it the NHS in its present state is failing more people than its helping. If all the money that has been thrown at expanding the NHS bureaucracy had gone to front lione dr’s , nurses and treatments we would have the best system in the world. But until someone gets rid of NICE and all those non jobs and useless manager’s jobs at £40K/£50K plus per annum and spend the money on patient care then there is no hope of seeing any improvement in the nhs.
gordon says he’s going to make patient care no.1 issue for the next election. gordon doesn’t care about patients, the NHS to him, is a political football he thinks he can use for his own benefit. Dream on.
For the NuLab English-hating marxists to call anyone “unpatriotic” when they have spent a decade doing everything they can to banish terms like patriotism with their NuSpeak gibberish, turning us into Euro-Drones, and diluting any ounce of pride there was once in this country sticks in the craw a bit.
That’s because most of our leaders in England come from somewhere else!
Well – if the cap fits….
>If all the money that has been thrown at expanding the NHS bureaucracy had gone to front lione dr’s , nurses and treatments we would have the best system in the world.
WRONG! The NHS is the wrong system.
There’s nothing more to add. These customer free, extortion funded systems will always add overhead. It’s what killed the soviet union, and will kill the similarly organised NHS.
Anticitizen one has a good point – if a service is free at the point of supply then demand will be unlimited.
Goods were dead cheap in the good ol’ Sov Une so they flew off the shelves, hence the queues.
No, the production wasn’t there either!
However you did need to queue 3 times (in front of make work employees) in order to choose, pay for and receive.
Imagine Argos but worse, you can’t choose any other shop (unless you’re a more equal high-party official).
Poruction was there but did not react to the consumer’s needs. There is no shortage of AK47s but bread was a bit harder to get hold of. You pay was of no more value than ration vouchers so you had to resort to other currencies of payment to get what you needed: a favour, barter or a piece of ass.
Socialist societies do not function on altruism and inevitably lead to corruption.
Production FFS
Soviet Phrase.
“they pretend to pay us, and we pretend to work”.
BTW Production lacking Demand, has a work for it. WASTE.
word not work! ARGHH.
you fucked that one up you dickhead!
what a nob!
knob?
Yeah titfer. KNOB, you is da ultimate authority on knobs, you bellend.
knob.
there, thick as thieves is back on top again.
thanks tit.
Phil O’Pastree
It’s best to ignore the Thick Ass Troll.
yes, run away cowards.
I wonder if he has a very small penis? How big is it, titfer?
5 normally
8 when watching Gordon’s You Tube video
(all dimensions in millimetres)
And there is the small problem of the NHS killing – yes, actually killing – no fewer than 30,000 patients in 5 years with the so-called ‘superbugs’ – not that this will worry Burnham while he skips around Westminster trying to get one over the opposition with some truly earth-shattering questions about….gosh, they were so important I can’t recall now why he was demanding answers from DC. What an utter pillock. He’s clearly unfit for such an important office of state – or indeed any. He obviously has time on his hands – and I trust he will have a great deal more in May or June next year, then he can play his pathetic games in his own time. Such gut-wrenching complacency, it’s simply staggering.
NuLiebour priorities – party first and everyone else can go to hell. What a squalid bunch of bastards they truly are.
Quite a lot of cheek from Burnham questioning DC over his loyalty to the NHS when DC’s only recently (this year) lost a son who was totally reliant on NHS care for all 6 years of his short life.
But hey, political point scoring must always take precedence over behaving like a decent human being. Shame on him and shame on his party.
Burnham iz only obeying ze orders ja?
Have any Labour posters got any response to the fact that Japan, another ‘senior’ enonomy is reporting that they are officially out of recession?
Gordon Brown’s judgement has been called into question again as he stated on a number of times that it was Britain that was the best placed to withstand the ‘Global Downturn”
What will it take for Brown to question his own culpability? I guess someone find a scotch turd in the back of his pants and he would still deny any reponsibility.
It’s all those Japanese cars Gordon gave us the money to buy
Pity he can’t think of something to get us out the mire.
News to me – didn’t realise he had any judgement, not the sensible kind anyway.
Just remember that we were well placed to weather the storm – which is presumably why we went in faster and deeper than any other country In the EU, and why we will probably be the last out of it with debts of £1.4 trillion and jobless exceeding 3m.
Hugh,
You’re trusting the government figures.
We’re already well passed 3 million (including “incapacity” reward etc.”) If you include the non-jobs (expensive unemployment benefit for politically connected) and useless degrees it’s quite frankly FRIGHTENING!
Sorry, I thought 3m was scary enough and I didn’t want to completely terrify myself with the true figure.
If wit were shit, Rich ‘n’ Mark would be constipated.
True story. One of the bed managers rang up the other day and said something to the effect that the lady in bed 8 had, “….been there a long time hadn’t she”?
She knew quite well that the patient was under what is known as The Liverpool Care Plan, in other words she was dying.
The nurse looked at me, smiled and shook her head.
People with clip boards do run the world! Having recently been to Liverpool and witnessed the state of the main hospital, the staff are very caring but the building (only 30+ years old) is about to be rebuilt, and just makes you ask, where has all the money been spent? And remember under PFI, we will ALL be paying for this in 50 years time and it is ‘off balance’ sheet spending.
Not a lot of people know that
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,539943,00.html
Canadian Health Officials: Our Universal Health Care Is ‘Sick,’ Private Insurance Should Be Welcomed
Dr. Anne Doig, the incoming president of the Canadian Medical Association, said her country’s health care system is “sick” and “imploding,” the Canadian Press reported.
“We know there must be change,” Doig said in a recent interview. “We’re all running flat out, we’re all just trying to stay ahead of the immediate day-to-day demands.”
Canada’s universal health care system is not giving patients optimal care, Doig added. When her colleagues from across the country gather at the CMA conference in Saskatoon Sunday, they will discuss changes that need to be made, she said.
“We all agree the system is imploding, we all agree that things are more precarious than perhaps Canadians realize,” she said.
Current president of the CMA, Dr. Robert Ouellet, will make a presentation at the conference about his findings when he toured Europe in January, and met with health groups in several countries.
Ouellet has said that “competition should be welcomed, not feared,” meaning private health insurance should have a role in the public health system.
If Fox News wish to advertise here then they will have to pay a fee.
Fuck off freeloader.
Fuck off you fucking dole scrounging leftie twat your to thick to work out the irony of freeloading obviously when trying to defend criticism of the NHS.
The worlds changing adapt or fuck off if you can’t keep up or get a job to pay for your medical care.
Pay your own way and stop scrounging free ads from Guido.
Pay the market rate.
And don’t lecture others on paying their way when you are such a cheapskate freeloader.
You hypocrite.
425,
Don’t worry it’s only mentally ill Tat sockpuppeting.
but you are 425 anticitizen and so you are posting to yourself you mad c’unt!
what a fucking lunatic.
anticitizen is an absolute madman.
TaT,
I think everyone can see that you are the madman.
This is a pity as between mental episodes you can sometimes make worthwhile posts.
if you wish to advertise fox news here anticitizen then you will have to pay the market rate.
what part of that don’t you understand dullard?
I don’t much like the cartoon, but it does raise a point worthy of sensible debate.
Why does the NHS need to import so many of it’s clinical staff? Some of these staff turn out to be excellent, some rather less so. The number who contemplate terrorist actions must be very small indeed, so the accusation that the NHS is a breeding-ground for terrorism is piece of sensationalism.
Why do we not train enough clinical staff in Britain? We don’t have enough, and we haven’t had enough for a long time – we’ve had waiting lists for many years, which is proof enough.
I now enter the realms of speculation. Could it be that some in the medical profession are happy to see a shortage of doctors, and happy to see this shortage maintained, as it keeps them employed at high rates of pay? If this is the case, can not the people who own the NHS (us) tell them outright that they are out of order? The duties of NHS doctors are to work for our benefit, not the other way round.
If we train a surplus of doctors, the best will find employment in clinical practice. The others can use their background in management, or find employment in some other walk of life. A little healthy competition would benefit the medical profession, and ultimately, would benefit the rest of us even more – and remember, we pay the bill for the NHS. He who pays the piper….
“I don’t much like the cartoon…..,”
Engineer, we couldn’t give a fuck what you thought of the cartoon, so why say anything?
Only joking.
Quite a few other people seem to have offered their opinion on the quality or otherwise of the cartoon, so I don’t see why I can’t express mine.
Pity it’s the only part of my post worthy of comment, though.
Only joking.
Engineer.
My daughter-in-law was a state registered nurse for 17 years.
She worked her way up in the NHS until she was so pissed off with the system, she got a job in Clinical Governance in the private health sector, earning 3 times the amount she got in the NHS, with no patients to see to.
She works hard now, but she says not nearly as hard as she was expected to work then. She said the hours were long and the pay was crap.
Why should good staff stay on in the health service if they can get a better deal elsewhere. It’s what the rest of us would do.
I don’t disagree in the slightest – ‘competition’ works both ways.
But why is the system so poor, and why are the waiting lists so long?
I think dreadfully poor administration has a lot to do with it. There are too many chiefs and not enough indians, and the chiefs are all on top salaries.
I cannot understand why, if the health service is so huge, we still pay such exorbitant amounts for our drugs. Surely this is a key negotiating point as we’re buying such a vast amount, but then what do I know. I only pay for it.
Drugs tend to be expensive because regulatory testing takes so long and is extremely costly, then not all pass the expensive testing so the drugs that pass have to pay for the drugs that fail.
It might be better to pay for the effect of drugs, rather than the drug. By this I mean that the drug development company only gets paid for those who get a course of CancerCureXYZ and survives for 5 years, rather than pay for the drug. If CancerCureXYZ is as good as they claim then no problemo.
Or that drugs that pass have a monopoly? Price is not always related to cost but to what price the the market can stand.
Phil O’Pastree,
I’m Pro-geonomics, so yes I think that
1/ Patents (and Land Rights) are a useful invention.
but
2/ These monopoly rights should be paid for by a rent.
http://anti-citizen-one.blogspot.com/2008/05/geonomics-geonomics-is.html
Thanks to that stupid cow Hewitt and her alterations to the training programmes for medics there is presently a shortage of places for qualified doctors to continue and complete their training. One in my village gave up trying to get a trainee position, looked to Aus and NZ. Expenses paid visit and in 2 weeks had a number of interviews; decided on NZ and leaves before the end of the month. His parents, quite well off, are going to visit for a long holiday with a view to moving out there too. Exporting our wealth, Labour does it best!
Good point Engineer. Why is it that with nearly halve of youngsters going to university do we have a shortage of Doctors? With all those well educated people entering the work force why do we still have to pay sky high prices to Solicitors and all the other professions? You would think with all this investment in education and therefore competition we would see a reduction in fees?
There are a lot of students who drop out before the course finishes.
Labour like to tell us how good it is that students will now stay on at school until they are 18 and university places will be open to everyone, but not everyone wants to go to university. Next thing we know, there’ll be no tradesmen (plumbers, sparks, etc.,) because their City & Guilds starts at 16.
You couldn’t make it up, could you!
Keep them at school as long as possible before they have to join the unemployment register. Cheaper too.
Mmm…I suppose a half finished degree course in Media Studies or Dance doesn’t really cut the mustard but I’m sure Mandlebum will see to it that if you are from a “disadvantaged” background (ie so thick you may vote ZaNuLab) then a leg up straight to Consultant is entirely in order.
Oh, and to say otherwise is unpatriotic. Isn’t it?
Yep. We can’t say anything to anyone these days.
I do know of a council who suspended someone on full pay for making a comment (I didn’t think it was racist) for over a year.
That person’s case was heard recently and they were sacked.
Stasi state.
Hasn’t Gordon just appointed a minister for dance? Is he in the next series of Strictly?
We have a young friend who has trained here as a nurse, qualified and then couldn’t get a job. She and her husband and their children have just emigrated to Aussie where they have all found work .
Why are we losing our talented people to other countries?
Rather cynical but – perhaps she should have applied for jobs in Hospital Administration. They would have been falling over themselves to employ her then, probably on a much better salary than a nurse.
Since the launch of the NHS after the war, the medical establishment (whose mouths were stuffed with gold (Aneurin Bevan)) has operated the most effective and enduring ‘closed shop’. Training was always restricted to reduce the supply of medics with the effect of bidding up salaries through good old supply and demand. The ‘Print’ were rank amateurs by comparison.
Why are British GPs paid well over double the rate of their German equivalents ?
The answer has to be that the market has been well and truly cornered.
The campaign of the destruction of the NHS is winnable.
Providing of course that the British Public is not misled by a “defeatist media” and the Opposition parties scoring “cheap political points” !!
We’re behind you Bob…………….laughing our fucking socks off. Or is that crying our eyes out?
When I said the UK would be in Afghanistan 40 years I was grossly misquoted by the press – I meant to say 40 weeks to save the NHS !!
I’ll be watching the rear.
The “40 years” is the NHS waiting list for hip replacements.
Actually there are no waiting lists; there is a two year wait to get onto the waiting lists but that does not count. The 40 years you are referring to is the time it will take to pay for the said hip replacement.
The tories are being two-faced on this and we should be told the truth.
if you get yer hip replacement at boots can yer get two for the price of one?
Wouldn’t think so, but you might get double points
NHS…So the answer is with the money men, insurance? A great idea. A bit like my endowment was 20 years ago? Like my private pension was 20 years ago? Equitable Life? The fucking bankers!, the FSA. How much is it going to cost bailing out the money men, fuck them… no we have to think of something else.
FOX News: As for FOX News the fuckers when I think of all those years the paddies in New York send money and arms to the IRA. They supported terrorists more than the Afgans.
And where is the market that spends all this money on drugs that prop up the Afghanistan, fucking USA. They need to STOP buying the fucking drugs!!! Not bash our NHS.
Think about it, if no drugs were bought by the USA would our troops need to be in Afghanistan?
Tosser,
That is the second time today you have proven beyond all doubt that you are a tosser.
a well reasoned reply Mr mad
What about doing the reverse? What if the UK and USA used the money being spent on the war to buy up the entire poppy crop year in year out at top dollar on the basis that the Afghans threw out the Taliban? I think I read that there is a worldwide shortage of opiates because so much of it is diverted to drug use. Maybe without the coke the bankers might calm down too? If the bankers could revert to dope then I’m sure lending would go up and everyone would be haaappy. Man.
So the tax dodging expense claim stuffing intellectual dwarf Miliband, he of a famous marxist father who did everything he could to avoid paying Death Taxes on the £2 million home that Miliband junior now lives in, supports terrorism “in some cases”.
Good.
When the “freedom fighters of England” decide to go into the shadows to liberate England & the English from this Jock Junta we can remind everyone that “terrorism in some cases is justified”.
And who could now argue that this unmandated Prime Mentalist & his cabal of crooks need overthrowing by any means necessary?
Aye. What sort of an english name is miliband anyway?
marxist english
It’s a sort of Dibliman.
Does Rich & Mark even have a GCSE in art between them ?
No but they have got an AS Level Certificate “For catching a Bus !- Grade A
Sounds like a case for the nice new Sarfend university, multi millions of your money + ZaNuliebor scammers = lots of hoodlums off the jobseekers lists, mugging lecturers instead!
They may have a certificate in laying patios which is equivalent to four GCSE’s in art. Maybe we’re lucky they chose art because a leg up into say dentistry might have been more painful.
O/T but this is more amusing than the cartoon.
Smurf in the Surf
Apologies if it’s been posted already.
It reminds me of Bognor in 1894.
“Bugger Bognor!”
Coo-Eeee! I’m changing my name to ‘Bognor’!
Why is her face not covered?
Covered with what?
You can still eat them if you get the pants off
Oh the irony if, protected from the gaze of evil men the smurf gets gobbled up by a fuc*ing huge Great White, it is Australia after all!
I think that is perfectly acceptable ladies swimwear for the 21st century.
You mean that was a lady? I thought it was a teletubby.
Those fucking leftie twats have have put a Himmler lookalike in charge of our armed services. How insensitive can you get?
Uncle Heinrich was much more successful than I’ll ever be AND his boss was not such a control freak as Gordon is.
I noticed this morning that somebody has been working on his pronunciation. One word at a time! He now says ‘Afghanistarn’ and this morning managed ‘elicopters’ and ‘helicopter’ in the same sentence. It brought to mind a passage in a David Niven autobiography where Hedda Hopper – hateful early Hollywood gossip columnist and a committed anglophile, informed him that London had been ” arbsolutely farntarstic”.
The Eliza Doolittle of Westminster LOL
Hello. Private Bob here with my latest despatch from the rear.
Firstly, in answer to all those critics who say some of our military equipment is not up to the job, I would simply say that I am a well capable Defence Secretary.
My two years experience in the Ministry of Offense has been a “life changing experience” – well, certainly for many of our soldiers and thousands of Afghanis, at least.
I now know all the jargon. I know which words to use: insurgent, enemy, reconstruction, terrorist, liberation, drawdown, collateral damage, democratically elected government, cowardly terrorists hiding in villages amongst civilians with their wives and children etc.
I know which words not to use: invasion, puppet government, Afghan resistance, warmonger, collaborator, illegal occupation, retreat, defeat, overkill, civilian casualities etc.
I will continue to do a splendid job – at least for the next month or so – until it’s time for another Party comrade to land a Minister’s pension entitlement.
Anyway, I have had a fantastic idea regarding our IED strategy. At present, we use the ‘Hearts and Minds’ technique, namely that we send soldiers out to tread on the things or drive over them and set them off. End of IED – problem solved.
However, I have come up with a new strategy for dealing with IEDs – the “Total Unconditional Withdrawal” or ‘TUW’ approach to IEDs. This entails an immediate and total end to our presence in Afghanistan. This means no more IEDs, and no more innocent goats, British soldiers or Afghan peasants planting or treading on IEDs get hurt. Result!
I ran the idea past the PM, but he said it was a no-no. He said the TUW approach would be terrible for the Labour Party, as it would leave us with a permanent place in history as a bunch of war-mongering war-losers who sacrificed the lives of thousands of foreigners and many of our soldiers for nothing.
This legacy would be bad for the party, which would probably never be elected again. For this reason we have to continue with the war. The deaths of countless poor Afghani peasants and a handful of squaddies at the theatre (see I’ve really picked up the jargon) is a small price to pay for the continued survival of the government, the Labour Party and Tony Blair’s lucrative post-PM career.
So it’s the “War is Peace” policy for the foreseeable future. What’s more, the PM said the War War policy is a good one for the Party because anyone who questions the policy can be painted as defeatist and unpatriotic.
Ending the war would be the end of the Labour party too. Who was Joseph Heller, anyway?
There is just one small problem with this. If the people realise Labour can’t end the war and decide they want out of the war, they’ll have to vote for someone else to do it. But I told the PM the Tories support the war too, so another problem solved by me!
Surely Afghans killed by Taliban IEDs are the responsibility of the Taliban?
Are you falling for MSM spin?
Two years in Bristol earns you nowt. Can we hear from someone who’s actually been on the frontline please?
Ed Balls looks like a wide screen version of the Fuhrer himself
Himmler vas better
Das ist ein matter of opinion. He has meine mutti to der Kentucky gebratenes Haenchen gesold!
Oh the song, the joy, love the bit about dealing harshly with the Red Front which is this lot we’ve been stuffed with since, well seems like a lifetime!
My great-uncle Sir Roderick Spode, dreadful chap, founded the Black Shorts, met Himmler once, found him totally disappointing, frightful little counter-jumper. Terrible snob of course old Spode but – where was I – the point is that there is a certain time of mean-minded chippy fellow like this Ainsworth that can worm his way into a position of power if we don’t watch out and should be firmly kept in his place.
Comment of the day!
He DOES look uncannily like spode from the Fry & Laurie version of Jeeves.
Spooky!
That music makes me want to go out and kill people.
You just can’t trust anything the BBC reports, or rather the bits it conveniently forgets to mention!
BBC (sources) reporting 57% of UK people are against the war in Afgahnistan (if this is to be believed).
No other statistic like how many “don’t know” or more importantly are, for the war.
57% dont agree
40% don’t Know (or care).
03% for it
Thats better now we know!
AND – 78% prefer “Eastenders”
I’m 100% fucking for it mate!
Lord (AAHAHHAHA) Peter Fondlebum
I have Digital images of you fucking a young boy
David Geffen sends his love.
Do as you are told
Can I be the conduit for the column inches?
Your diction leaves a lot to be desired.
WHY I WAS BRITAIN’S BEST CHANCELLOR SINCE RECORDS BEGAN
It is the month of August, in the lovely little town of Kirkcaldy. It is raining, and the little town looks totally deserted. Times are tough ( it all started in America ), everybody is in debt, and everybody lives on credit. Suddenly, a rich tourist comes to town. He enters the only hotel, lays a £100 Royal Bank of Scotland note on the reception counter, and goes to inspect the rooms in order to pick one. The hotel proprietor takes the £100 note and runs to pay his debt to the butcher. The butcher takes the £100 note, and runs to pay his debt to the pig farmer. The pig farmer takes the £100 note, and runs to pay his debt to the supplier of his feed and fuel. The supplier of feed and fuel takes the £100 note and runs to pay his debt to the town’s prostitute that in these hard times, gave her “services” on credit. The hooker runs to the hotel, and pays off her debt with the £100 note to the hotel proprietor to pay for the rooms that she rented when she brought her clients there. The hotel proprietor then lays the £100 note back on the counter so that the rich tourist will not suspect anything. At that moment, the rich tourist comes down after inspecting the rooms, and takes his £100 note, after saying that he did not like any of the rooms, and leaves town. No one earned anything. However, the whole town is now without debt, and looks to the future with a lot of optimism
But the taxman wants a cut of the £100 and what about Vat
It’s the black economy, use cash and cut out the tax man! So much form closing down the loop holes.
The things stuck on the old gentleman’s feet, did actually remind me of the two pairs of shoes supplied by the NHS to my 84 year old mother to put her swollen feet in. Unfortunately, in spite of being measured for them, neither pair fitted and in any case no self-respecting elderly lady would wish to wear a pair of giant bumper-type trainers, which weighed a “ton”.
To be fair the shoes and trainers supplied to children with disabilities are very nice.
…and on the plus side they’re the sort of footwear one is unlikely to be mugged for.
Good point.
We did find a home for them as my uncle was doing meals on wheels at the time and he handed them on to a lady he thought might wear them – did wonder about her taste and whether she had had weight lifting training. I reckon that £200 to £300′s worth of NHS wages went into providing those shoes and they were made in France!
Never mind the prosthetic Tits in Downing Street, eh?
Kerry McArthur Labour MP for Bristol East, she of the ‘I always felt uncomfortable claiming my full £400 allowance each month for food’ statement, has been appointed Labour’s Twitter Tsar , presumably at our expense.
She says her job is to take up where Derek Draper left off and build Labour’s online community.
A recent study of Twitter found that 40% of messages on the site are mindless babble and only 8.7% of twitter messages had any sensible value.
“Take up where Derek Draper left off…”
Does this mean starting in the sewer?
And then graduating to staying in the sewer….
Obviously labour watched Dan’s triumph over gordon at the EU and his subsequent YouTube video.
Then they’ve looked with envy at Guido’s success and now they are trying to take labour onto twitter in a counter attack. +++Laugh+++
The donkeys on the beach at Scarborough were of far superior intelligence to these headless labour chickens.
Socialists do not do spontaneity. That is why they will NEVER catch up with the so-called right-wing blogosphere. The internet is for free spirits.
you sound like a right fucking hippy.
are you a communist you bastard?
commie phil, yes that sounds about right.
No you fucking wanker I am a Librarian. Hsssshh!!! Before you embarrass your knobjockey self even further. Fuck, where do you pillocks come from?!
fuck off you commie bastard.
I do not engage with communists like you, phil o’pastree.
house rule.
I’ve heard you’ll “engage” with anyone with a spare fiver you cocksucker.
cartoon makes a change from hot buns . hot nukes ohhh yeeeaaaaaaaaaah
Ruin was supposed to be back now we have Darling , all keeping there heads low , what a gutless bunch
FOX News suck donkey balls
Lucky donkeys!
Al BBC threatens you with jail if you don’t pay for it’s donkey ball suckers though.
so that measn fox are wunnerful then?
Lady Waad visited the Grand Canyon once and went down on a donkey.
Better than blowing up on a chopper
Where are the pictures of Lady Waad’s Grand Canyon?
Centre spread Playboy September 2009.
Reagan’s head but not his body.
Ron was right on this one: it’s not altruism that drives socialists to promote “socialized medicine” it’s their need to expand state control into every nook and cranny of the population’s lives. The American system is certainly not perfect. But to claim the NHS is the best system in the world is plainly bonkers.
It ain’t. But having worked in both systems (and been treated by both), the NHS wins on points.
The advertising sponsors will be getting nervous, Guido!
Alistair of the black bushy eyebrows has spoken from his little boat harboured on the far away Scottish coast. “No, I don’t think we’ll change the system of paying outrageously high salaries to some members of society. Let them eat cake, the wretches at the bottom of the pile. When I am released from my responsibilties to the people via newlabour I shall be taking up several remunerative posts. I don’t expect the pay to be anything less than very generous. My allegiance to newlabour remains firm. A Scottish raspberry to the Compass group”.
Please can anyone remind us what he was doing when the Government of the UK attacked and invaded Iraq?
Having his eyebrows waxed and couttured.
Waxed? Surely you mean treated with Growmore?
You’ve covered white, black and disabled in that cartoon – one of which may be gay. No wimmin or gingers though.
What’s black and sits at the top of the stairs?
Stephen Hawking after a house fire.
Rich n Mark have no fear. Your precarious position is safe if this is the opposition.
“If I had Tony Blair and Gordon Brown in the back of my taxi.”
Rather strangely it doesn’t involve shooting and beheading.
That was hilarious !! That footage must have won some kind of BAFTA Comedy award.
I particularly liked the jokes about Labour listening to the British people !
How I roared at the look on the cabbie’s face at the end when she told Gormless Gordon that the fare was five pounds whereupon he pressed 10p into her hand and told her to keep the change !!
Hahahaha !! Mind you, the old Labour Election manifestos are full of side-splitters like, promises of a referendum on Europe, gags about education,education,education and that old chestnut of theirs, fiscal prudence and stability !!!!
Laugh ?! I nearly paid my Income Tax twice !
My favourite has got to be the cockney fisherman.
Good on ya Prince Charles! You tell these opinionated ego driven right up themselves architects what you think! Say what you want any time, anywhere, come on this blog and give us all a touch of class and status.
Why, may I ask, have you moderated my perfectly inocuous remarks about Prince Charles? Apparently he’s not allowed to speak, and I’m not allowed to speak about him, even as I have, favourably.
You are allowed to speak about him, but not favourably, hope that clears things up.
Architecture is a no-no subject on this site. It simply is a APPALLING.
NHS is a breeding ground for MRSA.
Welfare state Is a breeding ground for chavs.
Comprehensive Schools are a breeding ground of underachievment.
Teacher Training college and Universitys are a breeding ground of left wing twats.
MPs offices are just breeding grounds,mind the spunk.
People support the NHS in the same way that people support their local football team, even if it is very, very bad. It’s our team and we’re sticking up for it. We don’t really want it to be better because we’re comfortable with it and, being British, we crave disappointment.
Speak for yourself, Sir William. Some of us would very much welcome the NHS being a LOT better.
If the NHS were a football team it would be Newcastle. Full of incompetent managers, overpaid wasters, criminals and people with injuries that never seem to get better!
The NHS shoudl fuck off, Eugenics was the right idea.
Projecting again?
Eugenics was born from the lefts utopianism (get rid of those pesky people).
Don’t forget the miles upon miles comprising the deluded waiting list of “customers” waiting to get into Europe.
Excellent analogy Anon. I take it you’re not a Geordie then?
So I hear Ronnie Biggs is being moved into a nursing home. Good, now we’ll see how he likes being robbed and assaulted.
Also, doesn’t it seem strange that Jack Strawman authorised his release from custody just a week or so before we found out that the Lockerbie bomber was probably getting freed?
well said anonymous and I hope he doesn’t have the heating turned on either come winter. (Winter is going to be very cold this year BTW ‘cos all the holly trees have got berries on already).
Thanks for the information – I’ll order long-Johns for Grandad B. His name’s John, but he’s only 5ft 7″ so perhaps I should get medium.
P.S. You should get a job with the Met Office.
He’s more likely to be accurate than the “toss a coin accuracy” of the met office.
I’m the Olympic Pin-Up Girl round here so that that jumped up bitch Jessica Ennis better not stray into my territory!
I bet you couldn’t hold a candle to Barefootcontessa who sounds georgeous. No offence intended please don’t arrest me.
Hawking writes books that no fucker reads on subjects that a nobody gives a shite about.
I say that the next time the drooling four wheeled twat suggests another foray into publishing we all tell him to fuck off as the coffee table is full and the brass bed is now level.
Thank you Mr Balls.
Poor EdB wouldn’t know who SHawking is. After all Ed is only the Education Minister.
Alot of the early stuff he wrote about has been disproven anyway.
Didn’t heeeees voice feature on a music track I seem to recall like frankie goes to cricklewood or summit?
Hawkings important work was on the quantum effects of black holes “leaking” back into normal space, and how smaller black holes evaporate quicker.
Hawking Radiation is still sound and accepted AFAIK.
shame you don’t evaporate you c’unt.
TaT,
Guido might put all your posts into a black hole.
Black Hole Entropy is very interesting I’ll have you know.
Hawking is more celebrity than physicist, though. Ask any physicist.
His work is published because it has a willing buying public, you ignorant oik. What could you do if you suffered his affliction? Probably not even drool properly. Twat.
oh shut up phil you boring fucking wanker.
Why don’t you make me you faggot?
please refer to my previous post you boring c’unt.
thankyou.
titfer tat, you suffer from small penis envy syndrome. Like the fucking Japs. Classic case.
Ladies, ladies!
phil o’patsy may be is a woman, but she certainly aint no lady.
she is just a foul mouthed fishwife.
and probably a spinster.
With a disabled mother and disabled grandchild that we are bringing up I spend a lot of my time in hospitals. When the local nhs hospital fails us – and it does often – we resort to using our pension fund to buy the treatment we need for them in the private sector. I’ve spent as much time in the private sector as I have in the nhs.
There is a very significant difference in the the treatment of patients between the two systems.
In the nhs, no one listens, you are treated like a nameless, mindless, statistic on a production line, you are told what treatment you will or will not be given and you have to wait quite long periods of time to get it. (Regardless of what andy’there are no waiting lists in the nhs’ says.
In the Private sector you are treated like a human being, a respected customer, your views are sought and weighed, treatment is quick , and since you are paying for it no treatment that might help, is denied.
Any meaningful debate on how the nhs is to be improved has got to concentrate on how to treat people as responsible human beings capable of having valid worries and opinions about their condition and their health needs and able to make decisions for themselves.
As a first step to improvement the nhs should take as their motto ‘ we are here to listen not to dictate’
a sound principle but one that would never be lived up to. welwyn garden city have a motto -putting people first – who they actually mean are the councillors and the paid staff, especially management jobsworths. as for the people who live there – fuck ‘em!
409. Did you know that 60000 old dears are killed every year on Hertfordshire Roads? I herd it on the radio. Hertfordshire police motto; ‘He who deers Wins’
It’s not enough I tell you.
The private medical sector has to give good service, because you can always go somewhere else or revert to the NHS. The element of competition sharpens it up wonderfully. The one experience I have of private medicine was far better than anything I have experienced in the NHS.
The NHS has you captive, for the most part. There is very little competition, so no incentive to do better, despite all the fine words. There are too few doctors, so the waiting lists are long. There are too few nurses, so they are rushed off their feet (some – not all, as anyone who has visited a hospital will testify). There are far too many managers worrying about the wrong things and clogging the system up. The people actually doing the job have very little say in how best to do the job. Above all, patients are a damn nuisance clogging the place up.
Until all of that – and more – changes, we have no chance.
The private sector wants your custom but that doesn’t necessarily mean that what they sell you is the correct treatment. In the private sector there is a vested interest in encouraging invasive treatment – telling someone with a groin strain to go away and rest for 6 weeks doesn’t net you any profit but doing an operation which is followed by 6 weeks post-op rest does net a profit.
Of course it’s all done in nice surroundings and you can get to choose the surgeon.
Of course the NHS has all sorts of problems – many associated with populist politicians who can’t tell the electorate the truth about what it is or is not reasonable to provide from centrally funded services- but be careful what you wish for.
The NHS doesn’t want your custom and they’ll delay your treatment.
An excess of treatment sounds a lot better to me than extortion funded bureaucrats deciding whether to hand out a ration of treatment.
If you allow a surgeon to carry out unnecessary invasive surgery then you’re not a very thinking person.
Generally speaking,sensible people with health problems research their condition and the treatments that are available for it.
I know because that’s what I do. I understand my grandchild’s condition far better than my GP and I know what treatments are used for that condition in America, Australia, Europe and here, which treatments are effective and which are not . As a consequence I expect the consultants to give me the courtesy of expressing a view when treatment is being discussed. That doesn’t often happen in the nhs.
Infanta of Castile
Almost all of my experiences of the NHS are dreadful. It treats you with utter contempt – you are not a person, you are a specimen, and your convenience or wishes are of no account. There have been quite a few people posting their experiences on this site over the last few days, and very few are complimentary.
I remember one in particular – a family found their infant son required minor surgery, attended for the appointment, had the little chap in his bed and about to have the anaesthetic administered, and where only then told that no doctor was available, come back some other time. Is that in any way an acceptable way to treat people? Unfortunately, it isn’t an isolated incident – such things happen all the time in the NHS. Levels of service and consideration that would be utterly intolerable in any other walk of life are routinely dished out with not a thought by the NHS.
And let’s not start on MRSA, C. Diff…….
The British people seem to have no say in how the NHS is run, and how it treats people. After all, we pay for it. When we do speak up, we are ignored and fobbed off. Politicians of all sides have been trying to improve things for years, and their efforts have brought little joy so far.
It is high time that those who pay the piper called the tune.
The difference between public and private health care is simple
In the NHS, the patient’s time, or satisfaction is valued at nil. Without the drag of customer satisfaction, the organisation concentrates on satisfying itself.
No, in the NHS you are a cost *. In the private sector you are a customer**.
*Organisations always minimise costs!
** Organisations always try to keep customers.
Nell,
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Excellent post (i.e. I agree
The best solution is to empower those that get ill to CHOOSE (with doctors as guides) the care they desire.
The best way to do that?
Catastrophic insurance, and success only payments for drugs.
Must by why the U.S. health system is so great
No-one rational would deny that US treatment is vastly better however the cover is not. Of course waiting ages for a bureaucrat to decide whether you get your ration of treatment isn’t my definition of universal cover either.
Not quite. No-one rarional would deny that US treatment is vastly better fro the vastly wealthy.
The clamour for reform was not coming from the minority uncovered it was from the far larger majority who were covered but received extremely limited and poor service for their money.
Which let us not forget is also vastly more than the NHS spend.
Doesn’t matter if the bureaucrat is a government one or an insurance one it’s still a bureaucrat bean counter trying to minimise the treatment you recieve.
Save the rich!
Kill the poor.
Vote Republican.
You are Daniel Hannan and I claim my £20
FOX News thinks he could be Prime Minister you know.
Maybe he can tell them where to find these NHS terrrrorist training camps if Cameron ever allows him to speak to them again.
Dozy c’unts.
Hello TWatson or are you Sion?
How about trying to reform the nhs so that it talks to its ‘customers’ as real thinking, human beings – do you think that’s possible??!!
What have the poor ever done for you, you сunt, except to be smelly an annoying?
My Ms Coulter, fitting that ‘Easy Rider’ rifle rack has exposed your inner beauty.
More projection from the left.
You won’t save the poor by killing the rich.
Quite the opposite in fact!
It would be nice if the poor did something other than breed shitloads of Burberry cap wearing spotty faced chav Benefits scum. They take 3 times the budget that is spent on defence.
If the Army needs a target, I could give them one.
Don’t blame them. They’re only doing what the welfare state rewards them for doing.
Remove failing systems, improve the nation.
Like the Banks ?
Most certainly the Bankrupt Banks!
Government can safely repay depositors as bond defaults from banks are deflationary.
Julie Kirkbride has got all the answers to the questions about Mandy/
And much more!
The questions for me about mandy are :
1) why did he meet gaddafi’s son last week in corfu?
2) why did he launch his attack on media downloading immediately after returning from corfu after he had discussed same on G*ff*n’s yacht ,y’know the billionaire with the biggest worldwide financial interest in internet downoading?
Mandy has dismissed both as ‘of no interest’
Yes. We believe that!!!!
Whilst we are on the subject I see there is still no sensible news on how mandy paid off his £2.5million mortgage on his present luxury London pad.
Yes, let’s have some answers! Is anybody there?
Ooooooooeeeeeeeee I’m here. I’ve got sky news, GF, bloomburg, Nasa live and t’crystal set
Now come on! you all know i’m just a pussycat really. I had to meet young master Gaddafi,to insist that Mr Al Magrahi is banged up in a luxury gilded cage in order to ensure he doesn’t spill the beans re the CIA bombing of Pan Am Clipper of the expendables over Lockupthetruth. As for my small,but compact and perfectly decorated maisonette,none of that Colin and Justin shit,i have the right to buy any suitable abode that corruption can afford. Nell,i’m sure that you remember that i was extremely relaxed about filthy rich people,especially if i’m one of them.
Personally, and I know that all you lovely lovely people out there have been waiting for my opinion on this issue, I think that Fox News is a terrible media outlet. Andrew has spoken to Dave about this and he will oppose Fox to the bitter end. It is disgraceful that this American outfit should denigrte the simply simply adoreable NHS. Dave is absolutely right – and he backs me up to the hilt because Andrew has told him there will be trouble if he doesn`t – the NHS is the backbone and symbol of everything we should be proud of in Britain today. I simply simply adore the NHS and everything it stands for.
LONG LIVE FOX NEWS!
What a silly scheming bitch this Kirkbride woman is. She will lose the Tories the election at this rate. Where is Cameron`s judgement?
You stupid nasty people just do not understand my Julie. She deserves every penny that you all give her. She looks after her mother and every member of her family very well. Dave Cameron (I was introduced to him once) thinks she`s marvellous and has told her not to pay a penny back and to ignore all those nasty people. My Julie is still looking after us all despite what you lot all say about her.
Why should I put up with all this nonsense. As Julie`s brother I have lived for 12 years with no housing costs. I am on the electoral register and have never shared a room. My companies have all received taxpayers support through Julie`s expenses because I have always given her very valuable support and devised all her computer programmes. How dare you people criticise!
And I would still be unemployed if it wasn`t for Julie. We will all campaign to keep her on.
David Cmeron has refused to close this family business down. Incredible!
It is Ian Kirkbride who has all the answers but no-one asks him the questions.
IKirkbride has done the honorable thing and will not stand at the next election. I hope his wife will follow suit.
I wonder what Jacqui, the carrot topped one, MargaretB with her 60 hanging baskets, EdB/Yvtte with their £thousands of office expenses, Bob’aintbustingut, andy’therearenonhswaitinglists’, TWatson, etc etc are going to do ??!!
Not I suspect anything honorable.
Nell, Ian Kirkbide is the brother not the husband! Julie Kirkbride has done nothing honourable and is incapable of behaving honourably in any capacity.
She is still scheming and weedling to get herself back in. Nell, I used to think you were a sensible woman making sensible comments but recently I am beginning to think you are just another silly Tory woman. Kirkbride is the pits!
Well of course I was thinking Andrew Mackay !!Not IKirkbride.
I had Angus on the NHS they were simply marvellous.
My mate had a prolapsed womb on the NHS. Very pleased he was too by all accounts.
Was the steak off then?
Hannibal in Florence writes:
” I had my skin and fat below the navel removed and a Lexan panel fitted. God bless the NHS. I’ve always wanted a womb with a view. The food was passable – especially the fava beans, though the Chianti left a little to be desired.”
If we got rid of all the Muslims & Blacks in our once, WHITE, country we would need fewer/none Muslim & Black doctors & nurses as there would be gazillions of beds emptied at a stroke (currently filled by Blacks & Muslims breeding like bloody rabbits.
Goes back to the Fifties when because we wouldn’t pay the rate for dirty & boring jobs, we imported Blacks who would work for less money
There is a pay rate which WILL attract workers whatever the type of job.
Now it’s a self perpetuating problem… more blacks = more black carers to look after them.
Sorry headless -no-one on here really cares about someone’s colour – the chief charateristics are hardworking, caring and thinking.
Especially thinking!!
Go back and tell TWatson that ploy didn’t work!!!!
Oh yes we do!
what the fuck has someones colour got to do with anything , now fuck off and get ya refund on the way out
guido lad i am all up for free speech , but this post is over the line
Freddie It’s just a reminder about what the far left BNP are really thinking.
Notice freddie how this labour crew don’t respond ??……
its there way of debate
Why – what’s wrong with the truth? Is t just ‘cos you’ve all been brainwashed by the Race Relations Industry?
Beware the Muslim fifth column in our midst.
Shouldn’t you be serving beer and sandwiches down the L abour club?
Fucking B&P troll.
Piss off and get Nanziboy Nicky some homoerotic DVD’s to march up and down to.
KBW!
Hey
The drooling bastard gets more pussy than I do, so he cant be getting it all wrong.
They do say he’s very adept with black holes.
Former German Defence Minister calls Afghanistan war a disaster; demands withdrawal of all German forces within two years
http://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/0,1518,643176,00.html
where the fuck are the Brit voices saying the same thing? arel they all wankers?
look we back our troops ( not the hoons that sent them there ) the goverment will have its day before the people
Zum Understand.
And Zum Don’t….
Lazy gits but they’ve got the right idea though;. Any funny business and they will testify against us in the hague as payback
Now’s the best time to enlist in the army.
Go into REME and when you discharge yourself you can get a job fixing London Underground.
The NHS is wonderful, but then I live in France…
the nhs is shit why you think all sports people go elsewhere for treatment
Coz they can’t get steroids on the NHS?
no they only offer mrsa lad not good enough
Because they earn obscene amounts of money for throwing/kicking/hitting balls with a stick and can therefore afford to go elsewhere?
Why are we being bombarded by these Racist Labour people on here tonight; trying to provoke anti-nhs , racist comments.
Why is this Labour Govt. so viciously attacking debate on the nhs and its afghanistan strategy.
Presumably it believes this is where it is most vulnerable.
Hawkins started it what with his nuclear legs and lock jaw
Since when were the B&P Labour or Tory ? They are just scum.
its all to do with the tory dan hannan mep
I don’t think anyone can acuse the Labour of being racist. Facist, nazi yes but there is a difference. They aren’t anti iraqi or anti afghani as a race of either peoples they just want them out of the way for the gas, strategic and oil values.
Its got nothing to do with the race persea. IMO? Thats why they encourage immigration over here so that they can’t be accused of being racist. Probably.
labour are racist , against white workin folk
Labour are mainly racist against British people – the rural minority, for instance.
Iraqi, Afgahnis are not races. There are many races and religeons within those NATIONALITIES.
They encourage immigration simply because the immigrants vote Labour and they vote Labour because Labour encourages immigration.
I stand corrected
labour is pissed on power
I only got an ‘o’ level in Art after a re-count and they put me in charge of a mine sweeper, who says opportunities are limited for the mentally challenged?
Cheap shit shot at the Royals. Fuck off.
Hope you arn’t one of dem der tree fellahs.
But still true so fuck off yourself
Only because the MOD knew you were safe, when was the last time we saw one of those spikey miney things in our waters, nothing to sweep there then.
The NHS = waiting lists – poor results – bureaucratic excesses- state decrees about who gets what treatment and who should not be treated.
Would you like a say in your treatment plan ??!! Then don’t vote Labour.!!!!
and we pay more , even if we dont use it
Of course if you are a veteran of the falklands, iraq or afghan wars then especially don’t vote labour because they are not into providing the nhs care that you need.
labour have again betrayed our troops , they should be hung for treason
Call me Dave will taxe an axe to the NHS.
Except he already said he won’t. Oh dear.
The total cost of the NHS is about £104billion per annum (varies year on year – mostly upwards). If we assume 45 million taxpayers in the country, that’s a cost of £2,300 per annum per taxpayer – higher rate taxpayers obviously contribute more. Let’s assume that you’re a taxpayer for 50 years of your life, so your total lifetime contribution is about £115,000. You could probably cover your lifetime’s healthcare needs buying it yourself privately if you didn’t have to pay that portion of tax.
Excuse me but if you find that you were out of employment that you could still have treatment under the NHS?
Poppy,
Just one of the reasons for everyone to have SAVINGS, and the interest rates to not let them be decimated by inflation.
Remember Savings? I guess you’re just another debt junkie.
If the NHS sell the organs of the unemployed and turn the dead into a saleable commodity like compost or catfood then that would soon pay for all these moaning minnies who are irresponsible enough to let themselves get into accidents, get cancer and catch diseases.
Who cares if they paid Tax and National insurance ?
They were foolish enough not to be uber-wealthy and afford any of the more expensive illnesess.
The market solution is always the best. Just look at the Banks.
Absurder – the name says it all.
The point is that for £104billion (£2,300 each) per annum, we should be getting a far better NHS than we get.
On the subject of the disabled.It used to piss me off while trying to get to work in Westminster that people in wheelchairs would demonstrate about access on buses by stopping the traffic.
I was trying to get to work to pay taxes that go to help these fuckers and they were making my life hard for me.
Another single issue pressure group jumping on the Entitlement wagon.
As an able bodied tax payer I was doing my best for them but obviously not enough as far as they were concerned.
Well how would they like these fucking apples.
Dumped in the bushes at birth so the wolves can fucking eat them,just like the good old days.
It aint my fault they are disabled,I will do my bit but don’t take the fucking mickey.
so17 lad ,the minorty are now the majority
You won’t be young and healthy forever, smartarse. Let’s see how your position stands the ravages of time? Come back in thirty years with a similar hardcase opinion I defy you.
look lad if i get ill will i use the nhs ? no i have cover , i have prepeard myself , so why should i pay for the nhs ?
You can get cover because you are young and healthy and unlikely to use its services. When you are are old and decrepit you will not be able to afford the cover nor will they give it to you – that is business.
The NHS takes from those that can afford it to treat those that can’t. You will be both of these things in your lifetime so don’t be a mingebag. What you pay now will be repaid when the time comes.
Phil O’Pastree
There are better forms of “forced saving schemes”!
phill i pay tax , never use nhs , going to get taxed at 50% and i am covered that aint cricket , i worked my arse off to get where i am , and i see people getting benifits with sky tv , nice trainers and a big tv and nice car , why should i pay twice for them ?
Phil, you’re so right!
There are some who choose not to do what you do and there are some who have no choice through no fault of their own. You can take the view that I’m All Right Jack – for now – but in some point in your life all this could change.
I smoke fags so that I wont be here in 30 years time demanding the whole world turns itself upside down on my behalf.
Can’t you get any decent weed off the Met?
You can’t get anything decent from the Met these days.
Except a pamphlet I suppose.
Well at least taxis were forced to take wheelchairs and I’m for libertarianism and don’t like big government but sometimes rules benefit those who cant stand up for themselves.
“but sometimes rules benefit those who cant stand up for themselves”, like people in wheelchairs, see where you’re coming from man.
Yes its not hard to deduce that so19 is tat who used to be a cab driver
What? An armed TaT with a minicab? A lethal combination. Drive by blog shootings? Tin hat time.
What? An armed TaT with a minicab? A lethal combination. Drive by blogging? Tin hat time.
Sorry! Had to kneecap the modder.
Who is So19?
Tat is the one and only who should never be crossed.
I did it once,never again I tell you.
Yeah titfer is one male hombre I can tell you!
ronniebiggs has gone to his care home and his media spinners are trying to say his £800 per week is worth every penny.
The money would have been better spent looking after our men in Afghanistan.
Good Night. God Bless. Look after our men in Afghanistan.
biggs should be in jail , take care nell
Biggs should die in jail, be cremated there and his ashes scattered on the grounds.
His ashes should be flushed down the loo. He was a robber that enjoyed many more year than his victims.
What an unforgiving uncompassionate lot you are! Sound more like newlabour every day!
They should elevate him to the House of Lords. He’s be in good company.
he was small fry when it comes to bank robbing
look at the professionals who fleece the taxpayer out of hundreds of billions and will never see the inside of a jail cell
This Cartoon is The Biggest Pile Of Shite Ive Seen Since Parliament Broke Up For Holidays ! It’s Fucking awful !
Why doesn’t someone start up a “#weloveprivatehospitals” or “#weloveprivatehealth” (or “#wehategordonbrown”) twitter campaign to help ofset the mad/illogical nhs tag?
This NHS tag reminds me of the moronic media/public “grief” that came up following the death of diana; totally devoid of logic, mass hysteria created by a government and national broadcaster who wanted to put the real problems of the country onto the backburner in the electorate’s minds, and a public too fucking stupid to understand that the whole argument was being misreported by the media and that they’ve missed the whole point.
“hey, trillions of pounds of debt, the worst recession we’ve ever had, worse than any other country, massive unemployment, resorting to physically printing money, throwing government money down the toilet in billions without a thought, not bothering to read trillion-pound contracts with the banks, …but, hey, those nurses are really lovely people, aren’t they? those tories will kill your granny and then slice off your balls, I know, because the BBC said so.”
Dave, if you’re reading this; I don’t care what you do with the NHS, but one of your first acts when you get into power absolutely must be to put the BBC on the same financial footing as ITV and Channel 4, and tell the Guardian that they won’t be getting any more money from government either. If you continue to finance this kind of fucking wank with my money then you’ll never get my vote again.
596 You missed out #makepovertyhistory that was a good one, just in time to move the news agenda on from the situation in Iraq which was starting to go Tits up around this time. Fortunately there were some useful idiots like Geldof and Bono on hand to assist and make even more money for themselves through increased records sales exposure etc etc etc
things must be bad Readers digest have filed for bankruptcy , I wonder if they were specially selected into a sort of anual draw ??
Bob ainsworth has cotton wool in his ears ,
Andy Burnham says tories would massive Quango ,ooopppps shouldnt have realeased Broons conference speech .
I actually thought Polly was most adept at putting out weak Labour proganda , but no David arronovitcth has reached that goal “a high pay panel would make a fairer society” , Cw wonders why not have allow fairness panel of a vote on the EU , so clearly a renaged labour party manifesto .
But let us not stop there , whilst CW is disgusted by the bankers bounuses being paid in loss making state owned banks (somthing which the goverment could have stopped) , lets work out where Davids logic takes us , does he intend to give an employee who is crap the same pay as someone who is good or more interesting how can anyone employed in the state sector receive a bounus , he should write to the PM as clearly only the great leader can clear Davids logic , why ask us the question when we live in one of the most centrally controlled governments post ww2 .
This progandist speaking unto state slaves is a bit annoying , its a fake class war , for its the treasuries own polices that are allowing the banks to make liquidity when it was we were told, going to business . Wouldnt there be a more fairer society if Gordon had ensured the money went where it was supposed to . making the banks wealthy and the private business owner impoverished and then claiming we need somthing resembling a socialist state , is all too contived .
i am quite sure we can expect more of these prevocative articles , picking out the problems during a period of government silence , bring them on , ime up for batting each one back to goverment policy decisions .
Tonights food crisis program , send respected Aljabeeba reporter , to eat what poor people do , make case for overuse of resources , make bland statements about climate change and food waste , make case for people getting fatter and unhealthy (might be because there is no work) , show hillary benn say we are going to have to do more . (you dont say) laying down misery for govt best solution fo GM foods ??
Given that the carbon footprint of making and transmitting the program probebly was sufficient make the rain forest cry again (your telly burns 300w for 1 hour) . but oh no dont mention planet killer proganda devices are part of problem , farmers fatties and meat eaters will have to be blamed .
If india is running out of water (with increasing population) why dont they crack on sharpish with solar de salination plants and condoms , be better than letting GM agricorps own the farmers eh Hillary ? ooppps ther i go again talking about democracy , that alien concept to the labour party!
It’s good to see the far right laugh at themselves and not realise it.
name the last army to invade afghanistan and win.
clue: it may not have been called afghanistan then…..
I presume you are talking about the Mughals in AD700 or thereabouts.
But then they used to give their soldiers a ball of opium to chew before each battle – its probably about that time that the Afghanistan poppy growing industry began.
Don’t think we would agree that practice.
I see gordon declined to attend the opening of a centre in Edinburgh for injured soldiers even though he was less than 17 miles away.
What a caring man he is – so interested in the welfare of the men he has sent to war.
Figures just released show that soldiers now have a one-in-ten risk of becoming a casualty.
Morning Folks.
I Think That We Should Drop Rich And Mark Cartoons On the Taleban If That Dont Make Them Surender Nothing Will ! On Second Thoughts Lets Drop Rich And Mark On Them Instead !
Hey BROOOON You Mental Scotch Twat ! WHeres My Fucking Pension Gone ? Did It Go On Some Dolite Scum ,So He Can Buy An Extra Rock Of Crack ? Or Did You Use It To Tart Up Your Rotting Stumps ? If So If I Ever See You I Will Reclaim Said Rotten StUmps With A Fucking Baseball Bat ! You HOOOOOOOOON !
Most Afghani people interviewed on Sky this morning want the troops out. They said there will never be peace while the soldiers are there, and the government is the puppet of the U*A.
The americans are obviously aiming for a large slice of the o*l revenue, and Brown is hoping to pick up the crumbs they leave.
Why can’t they just be honest and tell us this is all about o*l rather than terrorism.
Since when has there ever been peace in Afganistan?
The taleban want the troops out so they can continue executing and subjugate non-muslims.
And wot oil?
There’s a pipeline which runs through to Russia.
So not an american pipeline then?
Consumer Price Inflation for July 1.8%. Much worse than City forecast of 1.5%. RPI rose from -1.6% in June to -1.4%.
UK CPI 2.5% higher than Eurozone average and highest in G7 countries.
UK worst-placed in all economic metrics.
UK, laughing stock.
You have to love ‘im, that Bob ‘ain’t ‘alf ‘ot mum lacky of the Americans. On rising this morning he slapped down and greased his well known forelock, combed his bristly upper lip and considered, while staring close in to his shaving mirror, how he was going to break it to the British people……. “more twoops needed for ….err….Afghanistan”, he mumbles to himself, spits out unwanted toothpaste, and steps up onto the bathroom stool, he raises his voice to an almost authoritative level, “General McChwystal, that fine upstanding leader of the American Army thinks Bwitain would do well to increase it’s….err…. twoop numbers, in …..err…..Afghanistan.
The General is settin’ up a review, so nuffin’ has been decided yet, but as we always agwee with anyfing the Americans dictate, we await ‘is decision.” Strokes mingy moustache and retires for English breakfast, the twirp.
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