July 31st, 2009

De-Whipped Tory MEP Fights Back Over Polish Group Leader

MEP Edward McMillan-Scott, the Tory who had the whip taken away for disobeying Cameron over letting Michal Kaminski represent the new Tory grouping as Vice-President of the European Parliament, has hit back and hit back hard. Writing in the Yorkshire Post he claims

On July 14, in Strasbourg, I stood and won against a Polish MEP, Michal Kaminski, for the post of Vice-President of the European Parliament, because he symbolised the rise of disguised extremism in Europe.Although Kaminski was nominated by the new Conservatives and Reformists Group (ECR) created by David Cameron, I decided to take the issue head on, even at the discomfiture of my own party. I did this at great personal and political risk – I could have lost everything and have now lost the whip – but I did it on principle.

It was not my principle – it was a higher one. To oppose a menacing political movement at a key moment in Europe’s politics…

He goes on to accuse Kaminski of pandering to anti-semitism and tacitly supporting it. Read the whole article: Why we must stop rise of a new face of fascism.

This plays into Labour’s whole Tories “have left the mainstream in Europe” meme. Hague will not be happy…


1,171 Comments

  1. 1
    a n other says:

    so what they said they would epp and they did from one load of nutters to another , enjoy your hols

    • 15

      I’ve seen a lot of lies and negativity from the usual quarters but where are the concrete plans and enthusiasm from those who would be king? What job opportunities do they want to create versus cost cutting? What sort of society do they want to build versus self-interest? I see the Prime Minister developing solutions but why are the opposition trying to talk everyone back into a recession?

      Be still, grasshopper.

      • 18
        jgm2 says:

        You can’t talk us ‘back into a recession’. We’re still in the recession. And any temporary ‘lift’ occasioned by 150bn quid will be just that..

        ..ooh.

        Sorry.

        Mustn’t feed the troll.

        • 23
          jgm2 says:

          While it might be embarassing for Cameron to have the Tories disunity on Europe aired in public I can assure him that the vast majority of the UK don’t give a shit about Europe. Except that they want ‘out’.

          Some indication from Tory MPs and MEPs that they too want ‘out’ gives a natural home in the main political parties to those of a similair persuasion. For sure UKIP won’t be losing votes to Labour or the Liberals.

          There’s no mileage in Labour going on about Tory disunity over Europe because they’ll simply be drawing attention to Blair handing over our rebate for ahint of a chance of it buying him the EU presidency somewhere down the line when he’d tired of plundering the UK for his property portfolio.

        • 167
          Ivor Schwartzporsche says:

          Agree number 23 JGM2.

        • 283
          Budgie says:

          At the Euro elections, only a few weeks ago, Edward McMillan-Scott stood on the Tory platform of changing the EU parlimentary grouping. If he was so principled, since he knew the move was coming, he should have stood as an independent. As it is he simply wants to keep on troughing.

        • 665
          Sense of morality says:

          Standard & Poor’s lowered the outlook on the U.K.’s AAA credit rating to “negative” from “stable” on May 21, citing the country’s rising debt burden.

          Britain plans to sell a record 220 billion pounds of debt in the fiscal year ending March 2010 to help revive the economy…………………

      • 34
        barefootcontessa says:

        Shut your face, you pain in the arse, there are bad things going on in newlabour, they can’t even defend their own people! Guido ban this tedious newlabour tripe! CH is determined to break up every intelligent thread on this blog. He should be ignored, but there you are, everyone, including myself on this occasion, insists on falling in to his trap and replying to him. Who’s behind this twerp?

        • 54
          Anonymous says:

          El Gordo of course, as he does not want to hurt his big cluncking ***** there is always one to lead the charge over the top.

        • 276
          RobC says:

          Thank you I thought I was in a minority of one.The pillock is wrecking any decent thread by the sheer bulk of his crap.I agree that the only way to get shot of the twit is to totally ignore any or all of his posts.

        • 349
          Going down the pan says:

          Wrong i dont reply to him ! i dont even read anything with his name on it real post or bogus . You DONT have To Reply to him Or even read the SHITE he spouts He is Just A Twat !

        • 393
          Anonymous says:

          Contessa:

          Well said, for once we are in complete agreement.

      • 117
        tat says:

        final warning charles.
        show some manners to your host and stop abusing his hospitality by repeating your inane posts.

        • 168
          Master Baiter says:

          Well the blogger’s posts are mostly completely inane and therefore inane comments are in fact rational, which is perverse.

        • 198
          Master Baiter says:

          have some iodine it will help

        • 761
          thick as thieves says:

          it doesn’t seem to be working for you masterbaiter.
          perhaps you should undertake the same treatment as Doctor Mick, it worked wonders for him and pre-treatment he was a complete wanker like you.
          yes, I think it is worth a shot masterbaiter.
          infact it is the only way.

      • 128

        And in other news, after 612 days in office a story that isn’t cripplingly bad news for the Prime Minister or the Labour Party.
        Gordon Brown rushed outside his house eager to talk to waiting Lobby correspondents, forgetting that he was in his own home of ‘Na’er -dae- Well, in East Scowly.
        Neigbours on the opposite Loch bank were surprised to be accosted by a nude, arm waving, Prime Minister, anxious to discuss the news story.

        James McFury said
        “I thought it were a demon ‘a first, with tha’ mad staaaaring eye and nooo genitalia. But when i l peeked a little closer i saw he just had a tiny cock.Quite ironic when ye consider wha’ a great big prick he is.”

      • 311
        See You Next Tuesday says:

        Kaminski is no fascist. He is being smeared as such by the Euro-Federalists, who are far closer to fascism themselves than Kaminski ever was. The Hungarian Jobbik party, who are not fascists but nationalists, are being smeared in the same way.

        McMillan-Scott is either ahistoric, and/or he is being used.

        • 354
          Going down the pan says:

          Totally Agree 100% The people trying to push us into a Federal State of Europe are the Fascist They are the Danger to all the countries the nationalists want us all to keep our own identity Which is totally oposite to the way Lie-Bore are trying to abolish everything British !

        • 785
          Mr Ned says:

          Spot on, agree 100%. The fascists are already in power in Downing Street and in Brussels.

          Nationalism and fascism are two different things. NOT mutually exclusive of course, but different. After all you could have a fascist nationalism or a democratic collective nationalism.

          With the defacto leader of the Government being the unelected Peter Mandelson, and him pursuing an anti-democratic agenda and a corporatist agenda, then this Government is much closer to the classical model of fascism, than those nationalist parties in the EU being falsey smeared with the fascist label.

        • 843
          Pédant says:

          The same “offensive and homophobic” word is commonly used in colloquial French; as ‘pédale’, or alternatively ‘pédé’. Both usages wrongly conflate homosexuality with paedophilia. The PC term in modern French is ‘gai’, as in:

          “Charles E ‘Ardweege est un gai.”

          Aside from ignorance, this usage comes from the ‘pub fact’ that Plato, Socrates and all those Ancient Greeks thought sex with hairless boys was better than sex with either (a) women, mere furrows into which men planted their seed, or (b) bearded men.

          Okay, ignorance in either case.

          Mr. Kaminski is far from being the first MEP to be thought out of touch with current best thinking on the matters on which he is expected to vote.

      • 578
        See You Next Tuesday says:

        Britain is forecast to have the biggest debt of any major economy next year, according to the International Monetary Fund. Well done, Gordon!

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203508/Bad-news-Brown-IMF-says-Britains-debt-crisis-worst-major-economies.html#ixzz0MsUw7WSU

      • 650
        Atlas shrugged says:

        CEH

        Why don’t you take the time to actually find out what FASCISM actually is?

        Perhaps if you had done so earlier, you may not have voted for the EVIL bunch of Fascists, currently trading under the name of New Labour so many times.

        Fascism BY DEFINITION is not NATIONALISM.

        Please be reminded that this is not a TORY or Conservative Party blog it is a LIBERTARIAN one.

        Please try to regain your common humanity, this is not a football match, this is REAL LIFE, and very possibly REAL DEATH. Stop trying and dismally failing to defend the completely indefensible, you only make yourself sound like an utter Hunt.

        • 887
          Labours ethnic cleansing continues says:

          Labour backs down on promise to stop migrants jumping house queue

          Councils will not, after all, be given new powers to stop migrants ‘queue jumping’ local people for housing, the government admitted yesterday.

          Last month, Gordon Brown suggested that local families who had been on the waiting list for a long time would be given priority over migrants.

          But housing minister John Healey said the Government was not planning to change the law to give British people greater priority. Instead, town halls will be simply be issued with new guidance about how they allocate homes.

          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203521/Labour-backs-promise-stop-migrants-jumping-house-queue.html

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        • 963
          state funded Communist extremists in our universities says:

        • 969
          state funded Communist extremists in our councils says:

          Below is an FOI request to Birmingham Council made in December of last year, that I have taken from here.

          Our Ref: FOI 2565

          4th December 2008

          Email response to Ms J Havern

          Dear Ms Havern

          Freedom of Information Act 2000 – Request for Information

          I am writing in respect of your recent enquiry for information held by the Authority under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act 2000. Please find herewith the following:

          Request
          1. Please inform me of the amount Birmingham City Council has paid to Common Purpose by way of subscription or affiliation fees or other payments for each calendar year since 1 January 2000 (excluding for courses, see next question).

          2. Please inform me of all Common Purpose courses, seminars, conferences etc. which council staff or Councillors have attended since 1 January 2000, in each case giving:
          a) the title of the course
          b) the cost – including staff travelling, overnight and other expense allowances
          c) the names and/or job titles of the staff who attended.

          Response
          Payments made:

          Financial Year 2008 – 9: £6139.38

          Financial Year 2007-8: £4964.38

          Financial Year 2006-7: £13101.25

          Financial Year 2005-6: £3348.75

          Financial Year 2004-5: £12901.50

          Financial Year 2003-4: No Record of payments made.

          Financial Year 2002-3: No Record of payments made.

        • 1069
          Don't take the shots says:

          The U S authorities are in the final stages of preparing for marshal law locktdown. This will take place when the greenback crumbles in late September, by that time every thing will slot into place. The authorities can start to use the millions of plastic coffins and body bags stored in States like Indiana. They will supply them to the sheeple dumb enough to take the compulsory Swine flu shots and those smart enough not to, will be shackled like cattle into one of the very many brand new purpose built FIMA rail carriages and be rail roaded into one of the many FEMA death camps that have been erected across the States and been mothballed ready for the big day.These death camps are exact blueprints of the Nazi concentration camps like Belsen but on a more highly productive opperation. There are three huge gas powered furnaces at the end of each building and no provision for accommodation, so don’t expect a last meal when you arrive. If you bother to read this, you could dismiss it as crap and stick your head back in the sand, or you could find out more about FEMA death camps in the U S, because a NWO wont include you or me.

        • 1164
          you have owners says:

          That level of totalitarianism is some way off yet, they have not got their civil defence league in place, backed by Obama, Gordon and `Dave` as well as the Australian NWO stooge.

          Obama says it has to be bigger then the entire US army, compared by many to be the new Hitler/Obama NWO youth.

          Then Obama has to take the peoples guns, he is trying to do this by stealth but the individual states are refusing to give up their rights.

          They need more time before they start throwing us in the gulags – but that time is comming, a few more million immigrants to render our sense of national identity worthless and the country pulling in a hundred different directions with no national goal, values or identity and they will be ready.

          Their owned and controlled `press` will cheer them on every step of the way!

          just as it has cheered or remained muted every destructive step into the EUSSR.

        • 1165
          you have owners says:

    • 25
      barefootcontessa says:

      Gary Mckinnon to be extradited! Shocking news! British people sold down the river again. Government in league with USA. Diane Abbott the ‘supposed great liberal’ of newlabour voted for his extradition. All power to his mother who will fight all the way for her son.

      • 30
        jgm2 says:

        Diane Abbott was probably promised a bag of donuts for her vote.

        • 35
          barefootcontessa says:

          American donuts?

        • 51
          barefootcontessa says:

          She’ll need them, to keep up her weight.

        • 58
          Damian's Capillaries says:

          Virginal English donuts (without the hole) and full of hot jam.

        • 64
          barefootcontessa says:

          We can only hope.

        • 173
          Trough Mixture says:

          Ma Rainey has a singularly fat arse and bellies to rival any midlander – the totality of attributes required for a seat at the nuLab top table in fact. A place will now never be laid, so why the vindictiveness?

        • 299
          barefootcontessa says:

          Because Diane Abbott is always holier than thou. Perhaps she has a penchant for the whip? She’s certainly got a penchant for michael Portillo, one day he’s going to fall off the end of the settee in his anxiety to get away from her!

        • 671
          Anonymous says:

          The holefree donuts are German. Those are the “Berliners” which the late President Kennedy was. But I like the concept of an English Virgin. I thought they were an extinct species.

        • 1145
          Don't take the shots says:

          Reply to 45 A C O. Will the 2 A10 pilots who shot up an armoured warrior in Iraq come the other way ?

      • 45

        Rubbish,

        Nutbag Hacker gets what’s coming to him.

        HINT: Using “UFO technology” in your public interest defence doesn’t wash.

        • 55
          barefootcontessa says:

          So, Anti, you’re a traitor as well? On the side of the Americans. Might have known.

        • 60
          Doctor Mick says:

          Nutbag hacker, who actually wasn’t particularly hi-tec, who exposed the feebleness of US Dept. of Defense IT systems should be awarded a Congressional medal not to spend the rest of his sad life in Angolan Prison Farm. Or will they send him to Guantanamo for a bit of “harsh interrogation”?

          I thought we didn’t extradite people to countries where there was a risk of them being tortured?

        • 76
          barefootcontessa says:

          Could have fooled me. I’m spitting with rage about the Gary verdict, hope it’s an interim one. Anti is rightly named.

          Why should I be surprised ?We live in a devious, unjust society, thanks largely to that hideous party, newlabour.

        • 81

          I’m on the west’s side, so yes I strongly support the Americans. I rather think that it’s socialists that are the traitors in our journey expanding the Magna Carta

        • 83

          Is having a crap front door now a defense for burglars?

          Don’t want to do the crime, then don’t do the crime.

          You lefties knee-jerk anti-americanism is vile.

        • 89

          Is having a crap lock on your front door now a defence for burgl4ry?

          You lefties knee-jerk anti-Americanism is vile.

        • 134
          tat says:

          If you only had a brain! or a heart!
          you are an american stooge antisocial citizen, you are not even British.
          now fuck off you shit stirring c’unt.
          fuck america, they are a bunch of nazis innit. if hitler had have got the upper hand against the British then the american turncoats would have done a deal with hitler.
          after all IBM did supply the computers to the nazis to monitor the inmates of concentration camps and george bush’s grandfather did finance the nazis just incase they won.
          you sound like a nazi aswell anticitizen, well, you are an american.
          now fuck off you fuckin moron.
          thankyou.

        • 137
          fewqwer says:

          ACO on the side of incompetent US government bureaucrats? Say it ain’t so.

          AFAIK the systems McKinnon “hacked” weren’t even password protected.

          I wonder who found them first, McKinnon or a foreign government?

        • 178
          albacore says:

          tat @ 132: “after all IBM did supply the computers to the nazis to monitor the inmates of concentration camps”.
          Where did you dig that up from, tat?

        • 227
          albacore says:

          Got it: a punch card record-keeping system supplied by IBM’s German subsidiary (which doesn’t invalidate your argument).

        • 260
          Budgie says:

          There were no computers in WW2 except Colossus at Bletchley. All German businesses (whether nominally ‘foreign’ owned or not) were effectively controlled by the German National Socialist and Workers Party. So the Americans had no say in it at all.

        • 261
          barefootcontessa says:

          Thanks tat, that was succinct, and well said!

        • 268

          TaT,

          You’re a complete Loon. What’s the German IBM census division in the 1930s got to do with a 2000 AD computer vandal?

          My brain says Criminals should be extradited to the country they committed a crime in. Knee-jerk anti-Americans somehow think this is wrong.

          Can anyone tell me why a self-confessed computer hacker shouldn’t be tried in the country where he did the damage?

        • 277
          Master Baiter says:

          What damage?

        • 305
          Budgie says:

          Anti, I think the material point is the Extradition treaty with America is one sided, and therefore hands power over British citizens largely to the whims of the American courts/government. It is just the same with the EU Arrest Warrant.

          I have no problems with extraditing British citizens for trial in the foreign countries in which the offence occurred, provided the British courts are satisfied that it is appropriate. This is what used to happen before the US Extradition treaty/EU Arrest warrant.

        • 329

          Gary McKinnon says..

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          1001001001001001
          000000100100-0
          010010010111
          10010-11010
          111101001
          1000100
          00101
          1001
          100
          10
          1

        • 373
          Anno says:

          I think TaT is referring to this book

        • 492
          Doctor Mick says:

          Be honest. If an American had hacked into the MoD’s system (not difficult I grant you) would they be sending him over to the Limeys for trial?

          Everyone knows the answer to that one.

          This is a one way treaty and if McKinnon is a criminal then what the fuck is Bush?

        • 672
          Anonymous says:

          If there’s a case to answer, our citizens should be tried in our own country. Except drug smuggling scumbags in places that hang them, cos that serves the bastards right.

        • 764
          thick as thieves says:

          American bankers certainly have a case to answer in British Courts for defrauding British Banks and bringing the British Financial Sector to its fucking knees by selling them bundles of loans that the american banks knew were bad loans.
          It really did all start in America.
          if the yanks give us the criminal fraudster american banker fugitives they are harbouring then we shall give them Gary.
          fair’s fair, innit?

        • 772
          oooo ar says:

          Albacore – I dunno the full background story to this, but Dr. Hollerith – I think part of the German IBM punch card operation, was acknolwedged by the (female) US armyofficer who wrote the 1st. FORTRAN compiler. The nH I/O text field was the “Hollerith field”.

        • 800
          Mr Ned says:

          I am very pro American and being a full supporter of the constitution and bill of rights I can tell you that the real anti-Americans are the vile fascist bastards in the Whitehouse. Omaba? Bush? No difference!

          I am anti American Government, and anti EU and anti Global Government. I am anti corporatist Government.

          I am in favour of the British Constitution and our ancient bill of rights.

          As for Gary McKinnon, he should be tried in this country and not given to the American injustice system. The American Authorities should be employing him, not punishing. The only damage he did was to the reputation of the IT and systems administrators who had not done their jobs. Many of the systems Gary accessed still had their default root access passwords for fuck’s sakes. He was doing them a favour by exposing their lackluster and tardy security!

        • 877
          barefootcontessa says:

          Mr. Ned. Too right.

        • 900
          Sungei Patani says:

          761 ooo ar

          Slight correction. FORTRAN was developed at IBM in 1956 by a wholly male team headed by John Bakus.

          The person who had the main influence on COBOL, which was first released in 1959, was Grace Hopper who was a Rear Admiral in the United States Navy. She wrote the original specification for the language which became the most used world wide. It is still being developed with a new specification to be agreed shortly. Grace Hopper died in 1992 aged 85.

          Sorry for a rather nerdish posting.

        • 957
          Call me Infidel says:

          I agree with you AC1 he should be extradited but by the same token so should that hook handed ack of shit Abu Hamza and that other tosser Babar Ahmed.

    • 41
      • 301
        See You Next Tuesday says:

        A very good read, as one might expect. The Euro-federalists are coming very close to Euro-fascism.

    • 244
      Cassandra King says:

      As usual with Camerons new social dumocrat party, he walked into another bear trap courtesy of the ‘searchlight axis’ his party is allied to.
      Cameron was persuaded to jump in and hoover up all the right wing groups before the Griffin could build an alliance in the EU parliament.
      He was promised an easy ride with very litle critisism, well now its falling apart, searchlight and the socialists must be pissing themselves laughing at just stupid the Tories have become.
      With the eurotrash Tories in the mire over this the socialists will go to town on them when the election campaigning starts and Cameron in his starry eyed zeal to be seen as a caring sharing anti nazi party just walked right into the mother of all ambushes.

      • 248
        Master Baiter says:

        Correct

        • 310
          Master Baiter says:

          It doesn’t have to move 80, 70, 60, 40, 30, 20 or even 10%.

        • 314
          Augeas says:

          No. Total fantasy. The socialists got a kicking all over Europe, in spite of the disarray amongst the centre-right. Cameron was stuck between a rock and a hard place, with a choice between federalists and a group that included neo-fascists. Doesn’t mean anyone has forgiven Labour for all their crimes over the last 12 years, just means Cameron has a long way to go before people are voting for him rather than just against Labour.

      • 286
        Max says:

        Correct only to nice middle class social worker types; not correct to 80% of the electorate.

      • 328
        Budgie says:

        Garbage. Incredibly, Edward McMillan-Scott has apparently forgotten already that he was elected on a platform of changing groups within the EU parliament. He has hoodwinked the Tory voters in the Yorkshire & Humber region. He is just a traitorous troughing MEP who has sold out to the EU.

      • 362
        See You Next Tuesday says:

        Cassandra, you’ve missed the target. The largely conservative / nationalist groups that Cameron is allying the Conservatives with are not fascist! They are being painted as such by Euro-Federalists, it is a very typical Brussels smear campaign designed to degrade support for anti-Federalist MEP’s.

        • 380
          Hugh Bristic says:

          I agree, but why are we paying people to play stupid political games in the European parliament when we are already suffering from too much politics already?
          It is hard to discern any real benefit from being a member of this europolitical posturing, which merely panders to the delusions of grandeur of the political classes.
          Britain is being subsumed into a political construct which is steadily eroding personal freedom and is dominated by German business interests.

        • 389
          This is not an aspirational handle says:

          I agree too, but you mustn’t be too hard on the Germans, Hugh. They are between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand they have to get their gas from Russia. On the other they are crucial to an EU which is being eyed by a NATO machine which has lost its rationale and needs a comparably hegemonistic political cut-out to hide behind. Interesting times, etc.

        • 443
          Hugh Bristic says:

          I have nothing against Germany but policy is designed to maintain a strong German export trade, which now extends to the nations of the former Eastern bloc.
          Britain is on the periphery of this trading bloc and is progressively ceding control of its interests to an undemocratic union.
          We are repeatedly told that we are stronger together to deal with such issues as global warming but this is specious nonsense.
          The British political class, in order to enter the debating chambers of the EU have subjugated the interests of a once proud nation, and gained absolutely nothing as a result.

        • 663
          Cassandra King says:

          Lets just asume that Cameron was asked to hoover up all the right wing parties before the Griffin could build alliances, we know that Cameron is allied to searchlight a known ultra leftist setup led by a known marxist fanatic and we know that the big three are working closely together to try and sabotage the griffin and his party.
          It was all too neat and cosy wasnt it? A deliberate scheme to deny the Griffin party funding, the critisism of the Tories was very muted to begin with BUT I have no doubt that the eurotrash/newlabour bastards are going to use this against the Tories when the time comes.

          What can Cameron do in response? he can hardly spill the beans and admit he works hand in hand with hard left anti democrats and federalist eurotrash to sabotage a perfectly legal and elected political party, so he is stuck now and the hard left/eurotrash axis now has a pussy whipped bitch on the leash.

          If the new social democrats(tories) are so naive and stupid as to get involved with people who despise them nearly as much as the ‘***’ whats going to happen when they get the keys to No10 and have to deal with the big bad world out there?
          No amount of modern touchy feely fluffy bunny hugging starry eyed social principles is going to prevent them from getting eaten alive FFS!
          Sometimes you get the distinct impression that a vegan peace corps tree hugger could make Cameron look soft and weepy.

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    • 1169
      By Eck Lad It's Cold In Ere says:

      The truth of the matter is that McMillan-Scott and Kirkhope loathe one another and so, to a certain extent, EMS’s behaviour is more about trying to get one over on his Yorkshire colleague than anything else.
      It is generally known that in the run up to the candidate selections and MEP rankings, a very well known senior Yorkshire Conservative lady friend and employee organised a campaign on his behalf to ensure that EMS was ranked No. 1 and Kirkhope was demoted to No. 2.

  2. 2
    breaking news says:

    england take wicket of north

    • 3
      breaking news says:

      and johnson goes first ball

      • 7

        Alan Johnson can fuck off.

      • 8
        Trombone says:

        Gary McKinnon: British hacker to be extradited

        Gary McKinnon: British hacker to be extradited

        Home secretary targets those with mental health illness more like.

        First Brown makes the troops fight in Skoda Favorits and now this.

        Even the GUARDIAN reading Labourites of Islington cannot sanction this!

        • 52
          Postman Pat says:

          The Yanks know exactly what to do with terrorists like that hacker, so they are the best people to deal with him.

          I doubt he’ll be doing it again once he receives the punishment that’s due. What is waterboarding, anyway?

          What’s more, I have curried favour with the Americans by allowing the extradition, which will result in long-term benefits for the country.

          I expect all Guardian reading Labourites of Islington and elsewhere to be right behind me in this.

          After all, we must defend freedom – and defending our freedoms is something which comes naturally to Labour.

        • 62
          barefootcontessa says:

          They will, they have, newlabour are still in charge. Disgusting isn’t it?

        • 87
          Doctor Mick says:

          220 for 8. Wahay!!!!!

    • 21

      The British model tends to reward macho managers and zero loyalty. Cutting training, risk aversity, asset stripping, and hiring and firing are part of that noxious mix. The Japanese model tends to appoint, demote, or redeploy as appropriate. Another plus of the Japanese model is that any position tends to have a bunch of fully trained and experienced replacements beneath it.

      Mandelson is able, loyal, and served a distinguished term as a European Commisioner. He’s developed maturity and proven himself fit for purpose. I’m sure, the Prime Minister took a similar view, and Mandelson was gracious enough to serve when he was needed. This is very respectable and welcome.

      Jeez, just let it go.

      • 27
        jgm2 says:

        Bullshit.

      • 38
        Wasak says:

        Charlie the great Zen master is taking the piss again, surely?

        Charles, you keep confusing ‘no mind’ with mindless.

      • 67
        Doctor Mick says:

        So convincing….I’m voting Labour …I’m like a moth to the flame… Prime Minister Brown… stay …your country needs you!

        *slap*

        Perhaps not.

      • 90
        The big D says:

        CEH. You have used this post already at 5:09pm yesterday.

        Please let us know when some new material has been programmed / you have an original thought (delete as appropriate) and we will respond accordingly.

        Thank you

        Troll arm removal unit.

        • 217
          Pete says:

          As I said the other day, Charlie boy has a database of phrases and an algorithm which rearranges them and posts – no human being is involved…

      • 191
        D T Suzuki says:

        Zen mind is not Zen mind. That is, if you are attached to Zen mind, then you have a problem, and your way is very narrow.

        Charles – please stop referring to Zen – you sound like a 1960′s juvenile wannabe beatnik – which I’m tempted to suggest is where your coming from – sadness!!

      • 254
        Cassandra King says:

        Mandelson is also a thief, a serial liar, a cheat, a poisonous double dealing plotter and back stabbing shit of the first water.

        He is shamed and sacked from his govenment job only to walk into a ultra cushy eurotrash commissar job, he then gets the boot for being a thieving dishonest shit(quite and acomplishment in eurotrash land) and walks back into a prime job without even bothering to get elected!

        Only newlabour could re employ a serial thieving cheat and only fucking dribbling droids like you could praise him when he has cost the jobs of tens of thousands of British workers, still when did the plight of British workers ever mean anything to you newlabour bastards? as you wallow in your parasite nonjobs you must piss yourself laughing at the lower orders being flung onto the scrapheap.

        • 266
          Master Baiter says:

          Have a closer look at Winston Churchill’s dealings and ‘problems’.
          Mandelsons’ mistakes pale by comparison.
          Mandelson is in a far higher league than Cameron or Osborne.
          He’s going to smack them until they yelp, the poor little puppies.

        • 288
          barefootcontessa says:

          How does he do it? His contacts must be top drawer. He’s desperate to rise to the heights like his granddad. The heights? He’s the pits.

        • 341
          Budgie says:

          Mendaciouscum already has considerable control over the deluded McDebt. So Mendaciouscum is the new unelected PM that Liebore, in its infantilism, had not the courage to elect for itself.

        • 534
          Doctor Mick says:

          This is Mandy’s zenith. He will rise no higher.

        • 704
          Rant against the Machine says:

          Mandleson has always been to clever by half and will assuredly Fuck up big time AGAIN. This time though it will be for keeps. Dont get to upset at his apparent rise and climb to power, its simply setting him up for a massive fucking fall which will be highly entertaining. The man is a prick and he cant help himself. Its in his DNA to make a twat of himself eventually. The Greeks called it Hubris .Trust me.

        • 743
          barefootcontessa says:

          He’s sitting pretty in the Lords now, so presumably he’ll be there for life?

  3. 4
    The Beast of Clerkenwell says:

    Kaminski sounds like just my kind of chap., this maybe a good sign that under the wooly liberal facade Cameron could be just what we need.
    He did spend his youth whoring, taking drugs, getting pissed and being violent whilst commiting acts of vandalism (as did Boris).
    They get my vote

    • 5
      a n other says:

      so like a normal night round here

    • 17
      backwoodsman says:

      Beast, whisper it not, but the man has many redeeming qualities ! An actual person one can relate to, not some political android .

      • 29
        The Beast of Clerkenwell says:

        I have it on good authority that he is a decent chap.
        I would rather have Ian Huntley as PM than gurning Freak Gordon McMental with despicable Hoon “Lord” (hahaha) Fondlesurson pulling his strings.

        • 345
          Budgie says:

          That is disgusting. Yes, I know the government has killed more people than Huntley, but it is still unacceptable.

  4. 6
    Charles_E_Hardwidge says:

    To delve deeply into Gordon Brown Britains is our only hope of an exciting adventure. Underestimate Gordon Brown at your peril.

    The dictionary defines economics as ‘the social science concerned with the production, distribution, exchange, and consumption of goods and services’. Of course, Gordon Brown Britains only hope fits perfectly into the Custard-Not-Mustard model.

    Politics was once a game featuring competitors from elite classes. Placing theory on the scales of justice and weighing it against practice can produce similar results to contrasting Gordon Brown Britains only hopeilisation, as it’s become known, and one’s own sense of morality.

  5. 11
    breaking news says:

    england take wicket of hauritz

    • 40
      Wasak says:

      Why don’t you post on Labourlost any more Charles? Is it because they’re tired of your bullshit as well?

  6. 12
    john says:

    Nobody cares about Europe.
    Enjoy your holiday Dave.

  7. 13
    uda says:

    O/T – Thank goodness Brown is not a cricket fan – Cameron goes to Edgbaston and morning’s play produces 7 Aussie wickets.

  8. 14
    backwoodsman says:

    meanwhile, the naked extremism of nulab continues its steady march across the once sunlit uplands of the British economy – first things first, lets save whats left of Britain, before we get too involved in saving the Poles !

    • 20

      Peter Mandelson’s been very statesmanlike lately. His comments on leadership and presentation, and generally calm and conciliatory approach will be helpful. Mandelson can help secure that.

      I’ve always stood for sound management and helped the little guy when I can, and taken a few bullets for that over the years. I’m deeply opposed to the thuggish and smarmy Tory party that’s been surfacing over the past few days, and building a better Labour will help provide that more attractive alternative people need.

      Be still, grasshopper.

      • 97
        Perry Neeham says:

        twat

      • 121
        shelling-out says:

        Of course he’s been statesmanlike lately. Power does that.

        To build a better Labour party, it’s members will have to start going back to their original policies and not the champagne socialist policies introduced by Tony Blair. Until then, their members will leave them in droves.

        Mandleson wants complete control of the reins. Ignore your blind faith at your peril.

        • 253

          At least Blair had the decency to be embarrassed about socialism, If labour can’t hide their class warfare urges then they will be gone forever (thank god).

      • 258
        Trevor Brooking says:

        This is text recycled from at least two previous occasions. I think he’s an android on loan to Labour from Readers’ Digest or the AA. He only spouts and never bothers to respond. Don’t bother responding to it. Don’t feed the troll

  9. 16

    People comment sagely about the recession but were quick to big themselves up while things were going well and trouser illusory gains from house prices rises. Meanwhile, the government has trimmed the excesses of boom and bust and helped create a more resilient economic climate. Apart from 20-20 hindsight and talking everyone into a bigger hole, what else have the Tories got?

    As per earlier comment, people may like to consider the value of embracing the totality of issues, and removing cluttered arguments that get in the way of smooth recovery. Managing an economy is no different from riding a bicycle, yet, sophisticated and learned adults forget the simple but effective capabilities they had when they were a child. These things happen. Getting over ourselves is the first step to better times emerging.

    Jeez, just let it go.

    • 19
      Anon says:

      The Tao tells us that things rise up and then pass away. New Labour is passing away.
      Get over it.

    • 22
      Anonymous says:

      It’s a Tau rag, ma!

    • 132
      shelling-out says:

      To say that people have trousered illusory gains from house price rises is a fallacy.

      Most people have bought homes and worked their tail ends off to make a derisory profit in comparison to MP’s who have trousered thousands, and in some cases, millions.

      Look at those governing us first Charles, before you cast aspersions on everyone else!

    • 166
      tat says:

      tell you what charles you c’unt, I am a bit busy right now because I am earning money to keep the economy moving but when I am finished this evening I will be correcting every single one of your shit fucking posts to make them more true and more amusing for the reader.
      you keep posting motherfucker and I will keep correcting.
      it’s a deal.
      I always keep my promises.
      let the game begin at 7pm when the unredacted version of thick as thieves comes out to play.
      gonna bash your brain out troll. it is what I do.

    • 709
      Rant against the Machine says:

      Charles you are the Puss that surrounds the open sore that is this Government.

  10. 24
    Thats News says:

    You must select your friends wisely.

    I do not know enough about Kaminski to comment. The “Meeja Filter” can totally currupt the meaning of a news story.

  11. 28
    Old Rockape says:

    Bugger a typo( away)

  12. 33

    Just like the EU, it is even two-faced wrt Fascism.

    We have the right and left fascism alive and well. If it is oppsed, it will be over monopoly rights, not de facto fascism.

  13. 37
    Raving Loon says:

    Who cares about the “mainstream”, I’m all about the lunatic fringe! Wooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

  14. 39
    nell says:

    Kaminsky = He grew up in an oppressed communist state wanting freedom. He’s opposed to the Lisbon Treaty. He admired Thatcher and Reagan. In his youth, in search of that freedom he flirted with the far right, but appears since to have moderated his views.

    Most of the present Brown Cabinet appear to have been communists or troskyites in their youth and have done nothing to moderate their views as they have aged. They have taken Britain a long way on that road towards that communist state that Kaminsky and Poland have escaped.

    Who would you trust most?

  15. 42

    He forgets that the EUSSR itself is an extreme left movement.

  16. 44
    Hardwidge Hater says:

    FUCK OFF HARDWIDGE !!!!!!!!!!

    Come on England !

  17. 46
    • 356
      Budgie says:

      An excellent article by Dan Hannan. Worth reading to provide answers to the smears against Kaminski. The fuss made by the odious MEP Edward McMillan-Scott is firmly put in its place.

  18. 48
    a n other says:

    who reads the yorkshire post anyway?

  19. 49

    Dear All

    What a story, Tories returning to their fascist roots?

    I wonder if Cameron and the Tories have had any donations from clothing manufacturers who are wanting to supply black shirts to any future Tory government.

    Quick question, who will Cameron assign as Reich Protector of Scotland?

    One of you Tories must know.

    Finally, my little blog is back open as I know when I shut it there was howls of protest from the Tory Gestapo on here.

    Yours sincerely

    George Laird
    The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

    • 80
      Chris Gilmore says:

      I’ll be visiting as soon as I get out of hospital Georgie. Meanwhile here is a poem I wrote about you:

      There was a wee man called George Lewd
      Who got caught in the gents doing something crude
      He said to the judge
      That it really it was fudge
      But he got sent down anyway for being rude

      • 374
        grobdj says:

        There was an old Stazi from Glasgow
        Left behind when the party went south-o
        So desperate to be heard
        Was the George they call Laird
        That he labelled the Tories, Gestapo

        PS George: the Gestapo were an arm of Hilter’s socialists

    • 115
      The scourge of Charles says:

      I’d just like to point out Labour is the government that has whittled our civil liberties down to nothing,you sad twat.

    • 174
      Monkey Chops says:

      But you are a grade-A douche bag.

    • 181
      Putin says:

      Laird,

      We are currently being oppressed by a bunch of Socialist nazis.We have been for 12 years. You have clearly been programmed to accept the message. ‘Four legs good,two legs bad’

      Of course were the bloggers on here actually Gestapo,you would not be posting anywhere,which seems to somewhat dismantle what I presume you intended as an insult.

      And you claim to be associated with a campaign for human rights? Free speech excluded no doubt.

    • 263
      Trevor Brooking says:

      George @49

      You ask – who will Cameron assign as Reich Protector of Scotland? Answer – easy – Alex Salmond. We don’t want you idle subsidy junkies around any more. Let the EU pay for your Guardian-advert non-jobs and your incapacity benefit.

    • 359
      Budgie says:

      ZaNu Liebore = Facists

    • 656
      GET RID OF SAD BASTARDS says:

      WHY DONT YOU FUCK OFF TO YOUR REALLY POPULAR BLOG AND LEAVE US ON THIS REALLY UNINTRESTING ONE YOU SCOTCH TWAT !

      • 777

        Dear Sad bitch

        I say no!

        Tories need to be reminded that they are the scum of the earth.

        Still nice to upset an English Racist, I’m not “scotch”, I am Scottish.

        Finally, don’t be jealous that I have a blog and the balls to put my name to it.

        You could have one too if you had any backbone but the problem would be who would want to read the Tory shit?

        You best stick to being a mouth piece and arselicker, bitch.

        Yours sincerely

        George Laird
        The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

        • 794
          thick as thieves says:

          good to see you have toughened up a bit george, good show old boy.
          you were starting to wobble a bit back there so it is good to see you show a bit on spine. now we have just got to work on that glass jaw of yours and then you may just be a contender.
          only joking!

        • 881
          barefootcontessa says:

          Some of my best friends are Scots, and I care about them. They don’t include you.

        • 883
          barefootcontessa says:

          Above for the attention of George Laird, not tat.

    • 710
      Rant against the Machine says:

      George you are the antidote to Charles Harwidge, ‘cept you arent, but you are as equally as mad !!

  20. 53
    Peter Handlesmen says:

    Be still ass groper.

  21. 56
    Mrs Hardwidge says:

    Well you’ll all be flabbergasted but I did get Charlie to come with me and visit his Nana and it went better than I expected really as this time Charlie didn’t say that Gramps had been a fascist because he fought in the Korean War and was polite when Nana showed him Gramp’s medals. Nana said she was shocked that nice Mr Cameron had used THAT word and of course that pleased Charlie but of course he had to say something rude “If it weren’t for tw**s where would we all be?” but I don’t think Nana heard really though sometimes she pretends.

    Then Nana gave him his present which was fine because although he doesn’t like chocolate his friend Spaedo does he will swapsie it but as I never see Spaedo gobbling chocolate or that funny Baiter boy with the thick glasses I don’t know what he does with it really. Nana said that Mr Brown looked very tired and cross and that she always thinks that a man who bites his nails must be bad-tempered and perhaps he should get the doctor to change his pills but Charlie just said that he had a lot to put up with and it all started in America. There was a bit of fun when Charlie showed Nana his grasshopper and it wouldn’t keep still and it escaped but we caught it behind the fridge.

    The amazing thing is Nana has a blog! Yes she did it herself! It’s lpuk.blogspot.com I hope I copied that down right Letitia Parsloe was her maiden name you see.

    Anyway must go have to go to the hairdresser and some Retail Therapy.

    Pam Hardwidge

    • 189
      Rick says:

      Mrs. H – always look forward to your posts on that little rascal Charlie. Please keep us updated as often as you are able.

    • 505
      Clarence, Earl of Emsworth says:

      So Charlie has Parsloe genes. He has clearly inherited that arch cad Sir Gregory Parsloe Parsloe’s unprincipled approach to life and will stop at nothing to suck up to the leading contenders for the fat pigs class who inhabit the government benches.

  22. 57
    Canary Wharf Rat says:

    I woke up this morning with this thought. This is my country not theirs. By theirs I mean the political ruling classes who seem intent on ramming policies down our throat which have little to do with what I would understand to be the general concensus.
    For example:
    A referendum on Lisbon.
    Patriotism especially toward our armed services.
    Getting rid of a culture that rewards failure rather than encourage success.
    Sound ecomonic thinking that balances the books
    The creation of wealth producing employment rather than a bloated bureaucracy
    Limits on immigration and not allowing handouts to those that have made no contribution.
    Human rights that favour the victim rather than the perp.
    I could go on but it seems to me that the political ruling class seem diametrically opposed to anything approaching a common sense solution in any policy area that puts the citizens of this country first and foremost.
    Futhermore they strike me as treating us like arsewipes, filling their and their cronies pockets whilst lying through their teeth to us.
    Rant over.

    • 59
      a n other says:

      applause

      • 111
        me too says:

        ditto

        • 185
          Master Baiter says:

          simpleton

        • 252

          Simple systems work best. Simple is a complement to an engineer, as simple is the most effort.

        • 274
          Master Baiter says:

          For those with a poor grip on the English language.
          Simpleton – a person deficient in judgment, good sense, or intelligence; a fool.

        • 321
          Augeas says:

          For those with a poor grip on reality, but a better one on their bell-end:
          Master Baiter = benefit scrounging New Labour troll.

        • 353
          Australian says:

          “Simpleton – a person deficient in judgment, good sense, or intelligence; a fool.”

          Very good description of yourself there, MB – nice to see that you show such self awareness. It makes up for your political and economic idiocy.

        • 517
          Jayboy says:

          His political allegiances speak for themselves. His grip on financial matters is a farce. Wonder if he gets paid for this trolling?

    • 70

      a)
      >Limits on immigration

      b)
      > not allowing handouts to those that have made no contribution.

      b) would tend to cause a)

      • 769
        thick as thieves says:

        for fucks sake anti-intellectual citizen you are a bloody foreigner you dopey c’unt.
        what the fuck are you talking about British immigration policy for?
        look, you are an american, shouldn’t you just fuck off and stop sticking your nose in other peoples business, isn’t that what causes all your problems?
        yes.

    • 106
      Doctor Mick says:

      Labour has already promised us a referendum on Lisbon.

      • 110
        nell says:

        The trouble with Labour’s promises is they are never kept.

        • 204
          Master Baiter says:

          Two errors/lies, Labour did not promise a referendum on the Lisbon Treaty and it should be called a plebiscite not a referndum.

        • 330
          Augeas says:

          You are the liar. Labour Party manifesto for 2005 stated on pages 83-85 that the new constitutional treaty (then Rome) would be put to a referendum (not plebiscite). After various countries rejected it in referenda, it was rebranded Lisbon, but is substantially the same document. Stop spinning, for fuck’s sake. We are sick of it.

        • 360
          Budgie says:

          I have a copy of both treaties: they are the same. And, of course, they both drastically rewrite the EU’s constitution.

        • 450
          Doctor Mick says:

          From Master Bators favourite source, Wikipedia:

          A referendum (plural referendums or referenda), ballot question, or plebiscite (from Latin plebiscita, originally a decree of the Concilium Plebis) is a direct vote in which an entire electorate is asked to either accept or reject a particular proposal.

      • 363
        Budgie says:

        It was Gordoom’s refusal to honour the promise of a referendum on the Lisbon treaty (legally the same as the EU Constitutional treaty), that revealed just what a nasty, devious, cunning, lying, authoritarian jerk he is.

        • 424
          Doctor Mick says:

          And those are his good points. We don’t deserve such a leader. Or do we?

    • 192
      Lucas Ade says:

      Agree wholeheartedly.
      The political classes think it is part of their role to talk in half truths and spin.
      The scenario envisaged by Orwell’s 1984 draws ever closer.

    • 195
      Rick says:

      Well said.

    • 202
      Dirty Rat says:

      Rats rule. Revolution now.

  23. 61
    Stella Bringiton says:

    Europe is so boring. Can’t we talk about something else ie why poor people are getting poorer, building more social housing (originally a Tory idea -supermac) not affordable housing (not affordable to those who want them). Some Tories are so much up their own arses when they scent power. I’m a floating voter so convince me.

    • 369
      Budgie says:

      What on earth do you mean “Europe is so boring”? You are living in part of it. Have you visited the rest of Europe? I am sorry, but if you find all of Europe boring, it is because you are boring. My advice is get out more and also visit other parts of Europe, if you can afford that.

      Yes, poor people are getting poorer under Brown’s economic mismanagement. Brown should scrap his complicated Tax Credits scheme that many poor people fail to take up. To compensate, income taxes should be cut at the lower end of earnings, so all poorer people benefit.

  24. 63
    Charles Flaccidwidger says:

    As a matter of interest, Charles E Hardwidge has posted on this thread at

    12.55pm, 1.02pm, 1.04pm, 1.11pm, 1.12pm, 1.13pm, 1.14pm, 1.16pm, 1.31pm, 1.33pm and 1.34pm.

    • 66
      Anonymous says:

      Which one?

      • 126
        Vote vote vote for Jacqui says:

        No posts from Charles between 1.16 and 1.31,
        I think he must have had a wank or two or three.

    • 86
      Sir William Waad says:

      I like Charles’ posts. They make mine look less bad. They are usually spelled correctly and grammatical although he does tend to use mixed metaphors and cliches. I think it is very enterprising of him to make so many posts when he is supposed to be doing his job at the Ministry of Panic making up new scares to justify more regulations, intrusion and taxes. More of those posts please but drop the references to Eastern philosophy which just make you sound like a spotty sixth-former.

    • 88
      English heretic says:

      Presumably he finished his lunchbreak and is now on taxpayer time?

      On topic, maybe the Tories have joined the majority European position?

  25. 65
    a n other says:

    you dont have many friends do you ?

    • 85
      McGroom says:

      Charles is stuck in the No 10 bunker, charged with keeping the spirit of Damian McBride alive.

      Keep spouting poison and lies and they hope the electorate will beleive it.

      The truth is that poor people pay more to the government now than when labour came to power, the government is spending more and more now while revenue is falling off a cliff and labour help for business has so many onerous conditions no one is accepting the terms.

      labour has no answers and is only interested in clinging on to power and will disparage anyone that gets in the way.

      If Charles is so confident that labour has all the answers, let to public decide and get his paymasters to call an election.

      The only Balls this government has is a wide screen Hitler lookalike

      • 113
        Damian's Capillaries says:

        Charles is the lead troll in the trolling account recently won by The Son of the Steward’s PR Agency to disrupt the Or­der-Or­der blog. They have a small team working day and night churning out waffley labour propaganda. Lots of cuttee pastee but spiced with a few cynical trolls sneering at the genuine points made by decent posters.

  26. 68
    arthur says:

    Tit

  27. 71
    Trev says:

    Hit back hard? What a load of self serving crop from Mr Fawkes. This article is just drivel and shows what a load of numpties we have in this crappy euro parliament.

    Mandelson was once neo crypto trotskyist – the labour party was not lefty enough for him. Now look at him.

    I for one can well imagine what politics was like in opinion and democracy starved post communist Russia. ‘Desperatre’ is how I would describe anyone trying to make politics out of it.

    Once again Mr Fawkes is looking more to his bank balance when it come to making a post – rather than talking any sense.

  28. 75
  29. 79
    Engineer says:

    And stop molesting that poor grasshopper. It’s had enough.

  30. 91
    arthur says:

    maybe if you countered by saying what the torys would do you could then win the argument.
    me…… i just think all politicians are in it for themselves.

  31. 93
    Anonymous says:

    a wasted vat (anag) 5 1 4. No prize for getting it.

  32. 100
    another wicket says:

    9 down well played england

  33. 101
    Engineer says:

    Siddle ct Prior b Anderson

    Five wickets for Jimmy Anderson.

  34. 102
    hake fried rice says:

    George, George, George!

    I defy you to address just one of the following points which I believe exposes everything you have said (or have been instructed to say) as untruths.

    • Is there a greater tragedy imaginable than that in our endeavour consciously to shape our future in accordance with high ideals we should in fact unwittingly produce the very opposite of what we have been striving for?

    • The contention that only the peculiar wickedness of the Germans has produced the Nazi system is likely to become the excuse for forcing on us the very institutions which have produced that wickedness.

    • Totalitarianism is the new word we have adopted to describe the unexpected but nevertheless inseparable manifestations of what in theory we call socialism.

    • In a planned system we cannot confine collective action to the tasks on which we agree, but are forced to produce agreement on everything in order that any action can be taken at all.

    • The more the state ‘plans’ the more difficult planning becomes for the individual.

    • The economic freedom which is the prerequisite of any other freedom cannot be the freedom from economic care which the socialists promise us and which can be obtained only by relieving the individual at the same time of the necessity and of the power of choice: it must be the freedom of economic activity which, with the right of choice, inevitably also carries the risk and the responsibility of that right.

    • What our generation has forgotten is that the system of private property is the most important guarantee of freedom, not only for those who own property, but scarcely less for those who do not.

    • We shall never prevent the abuse of power if we are not prepared to limit power in a way which occasionally may prevent its use for desirable purposes.

    • The first need is to free ourselves of that worst form of contemporary obscurantism which tries to persuade us that what we have done in the recent past was all either wise or unavoidable. We shall not grow wiser before we learn that much that we have done was very foolish.

    PS
    Aunt Sally aka Master Baiter I am still waiting to see your prick. LOL

    • 140
      Sir William Waad says:

      The only serious difference between Marxism and Fascism was that Marxism divided people into categories horizontally, whereas Fascism divided them vertically.

      Marxism thought nations and races unimportant but saw a division on class lines and defined history in terms of a continuous and very bloody struggle between classes, leading eventually to some vaguely-defined socialist Paradise.

      Fascism divided people into nations and races and tried to unify classes within each group. History was defined as a bloody struggle between nations and races leading to an eventual victory for whichever tribe the promoter of fascism happened to come from.

      This made little difference if you were in the ‘wrong’ group or did not want to be an obedient little cog in the machine. The boot was still firmly stamping on your face.

      Both are discredited, but whereas fascism lingers only feebly in far-right parties like Kaminski’s, Marxism still infects many ‘progressive’ thinkers and leads them to a destructive contempt for the individual, for non-government enterprise and for personal freedom.

      • 161
        Aunt Sally says:

        hake the comment is irrefutably long.

      • 172
        Sir William Waad says:

        So:
        Who is the Fuehrer?
        Why are we still alowed to vote?
        Why do we have laws against racial discrimination?
        Why have we not nationalised every industry?
        What is the ethnic or national group that we define as inferior?
        Why are dissidents not put in concentration camps or force-fed castor oil?
        Why are we not coerced into mass rallies?

        This childish name-calling ‘fascist! facsist!’ can’t replace looking at what actually happens or thinking rationally about it.

        • 224
          Master Baiter says:

          bravo

        • 413
          hake fried rice says:

          Waad you confuse fascism with Nazism. Italian fascism had no racist undertones. The Italian Army handed over not one jew to Nazi Germany unlike say Vichy France.

          It is not name calling. The United Kingdom is marching towards fascism. Wake up Waad. You even have the trolls applauding you.

      • 197
        The UK is becoming East Germany circa 1976 says:

        Fascism, socialism and communism are all left wing, collectivist, statist, authoritarian deceptions. There is nothing even vaugely right wing about any of them. Hayek got them all bang to rights 60 years ago with his book, The Road To Serfdom.

        • 201
          Master Baiter says:

          another simpleton, hasn’t even read Hayek

        • 243

          Now everyone can read Mises!

          http://mises.org/books/TRTS/

          I reads like a guide to the EUSSR.

        • 394
          Budgie says:

          “Few are ready to recognise that the rise of Fascism and Nazism was not a reaction against the socialist trends of the preceding period, but a necessary outcome of those tendencies.” F. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom.

          “… democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude.” de Tocqueville, quoted by Hayek in “The Road to Serfdom.

          “While to many who have watched the transition from socialism to fascism at close quarters, the connection between the two systems has become increasingly obvious, …” F. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom.

        • 422
          Seaman Stains says:

          Aha the Road to Serfdom!

          Prime Ministers generally give their incoming ministers books to read. Thatcher insisted they read only one: The Road to Serfdom by Friedrich Hayek. The Road to Serfdom is among the most influential and popular expositions of classical liberalism and libertarianism.

          I suspected there was something fishy about his name, hake fried rice.

          fried rice, hake
          friedrich hayek

          and why his brilliant dismantling of the ideals of socialism rang true – he was lifting directly from the book.

        • 466
          Anonymous says:

          Laughably Master Baiter accuses a poster, above, of having not read the book. In response to a Hayek passage (masquerading as Hake) we get this exchange:

          #
          778
          Aunt Sally (aka Master Baiter) says:
          July 31, 2009 at 9:27 am

          Hake Fried Rice uses a pathetically transparent and weak rhetorical device, repeatedly.
          It is so fragile that it would be a shame to pulverise it just now.
          Better to watch the pompous ego grow, then witness the putrid mess after it is pricked.

          #
          782
          Catweazle says:
          July 31, 2009 at 9:49 am

          Master Baiter – for it is you – you can’t deal with the message so you attack the messenger. What next? Dead Baby shock tactics.

          #
          784
          Aunt Sally says:
          July 31, 2009 at 9:52 am

          Wait for the prick.

          #
          786
          Catweazle says:
          July 31, 2009 at 9:55 am

          I think the prick has already arrived.
          #

          788
          hake fried rice says:
          July 31, 2009 at 10:03 am

          touché Mr Catweazle, touché .

          #
          795
          Aunt Sally says:
          July 31, 2009 at 10:17 am

          It will come, it will come.

          #
          798
          Catweazle says:
          July 31, 2009 at 10:22 am

          These truly are the words of a Master Bator.

        • 470
          Anonymous says:

          Laughably Master Baiter accuses a poster, above, of having not read the book. In response to a Hayek passage (masquerading as Hake) we get this exchange:

          #
          778
          Aunt Sally (aka Master Baiter) says:
          July 31, 2009 at 9:27 am

          Hake Fried Rice uses a pathetically transparent and weak rhetorical device, repeatedly.
          It is so fragile that it would be a shame to pulverise it just now.
          Better to watch the pompous ego grow, then witness the putrid mess after it is pricked.

          #
          782
          Catweazle says:
          July 31, 2009 at 9:49 am

          Master Baiter – for it is you – you can’t deal with the message so you attack the messenger. What next? De­ad B­aby shock tactics.

          #
          784
          Aunt Sally says:
          July 31, 2009 at 9:52 am

          Wait for the prick.

          #
          786
          Catweazle says:
          July 31, 2009 at 9:55 am

          I think the prick has already arrived.
          #

          788
          hake fried rice says:
          July 31, 2009 at 10:03 am

          touché Mr Catweazle, touché .

          #
          795
          Aunt Sally says:
          July 31, 2009 at 10:17 am

          It will come, it will come.

          #
          798
          Catweazle says:
          July 31, 2009 at 10:22 am

          These truly are the words of a Master Bator.

    • 1171
      paddy the paddy says:

      An excellent synopsis,however it must be rammed home again and again that the international left are engaged in a war on population,yes that means you your children ,grandchildren etc,it is all there in social history.
      We fought a disastrous war in which a whole generation of young men were wiped out in 1914 -1918 in a propaganda inspired conflict.this came soon after the rev thomas malthus warnings that the food would run out due to the birth rate.

      Arriving back from the second world war the remaining population supposedly had a baby boom (check the figures yourself) within a generation we had Abortion .
      The birth control pill is feminising vast tracts of young boys and likewise masculining many young girls by being excreted into the revolving water system.

      Today we hear the latest scare is food insecurity,this is the same continent that had butter mountains and wine lakes 20 years ago when my parents could barely feed us and we were farmers!We were rearing and selling pigs,sheep and cattle at the breadline\loss and under no circumstances could an animal be butchered for the home (EU RULES) so we sold for dirt and could not afford to buy back from the supermarket.Vast tracts of land OUTSIDE OF LONDON are setaside from growing any crops and thus you have the statistics to back up the food shortage bull.
      Of course we are being urged to find an allotment as starvation is nigh!

      Zimbabwe is/was known as the bread basket of africa ,at one time it could provide for many times its own population but it must be assumed that it has joined the war on population too,like its cheerleaders in the labour party

  35. 103
    Lorne Green says:

    Be still, grasscutter

  36. 105
    Doctor Mick says:

    Displayin IP Addresses would put a lot of people off. A system of registration (to be confirmed through an email address) for those who want to post would be a better idea. This way posters can be banned. At the moment Guido cannot ban anybody.

    • 210
      albacore says:

      You can get umpteen different and valid screen names and e-mail addresses from the same Internet Service Provider.
      Compulsory registration to enable posting on here would have no effect on the trolls.

      • 333
        Augeas says:

        Surely the best thing to do is for one person to reply “fuck off” and nobody else to post anything. Then we will see CEH or MB post, followed by “fuck off” and nothing else. They would soon get bored.

        • 379
          barefootcontessa says:

          Well Charles has been absent for a while. Has the grasshopper been finally stilled? I won’t get my hopes up!

      • 408
        Doctor Mick says:

        Albacore it would make it a lot more difficult for the trolls. To say it would have no effect isn’t correct. You ban a poster and he has to re-register – that takes time – a day or two. You can also ban an IP address, which again makes things difficult.

        It would also stop the scurrilous practice of name changing.

        At the moment it takes an eyeblink to change a name and so we have the incessant drivel from Charles E Harwidge churning out cut’n'paste directly from the Lobour.org site.

        Publishing IP Addresses would kill this blog.

      • 410
        Doctor Mick says:

        Albacore it would make it a lot more difficult for the trolls. To say it would have no effect isn’t correct. You ban a poster and he has to re-register – that takes time – a day or two. You can also ban an IP address, which again makes things difficult.

        It would also stop the scurrilous practice of name changing.

        At the moment it takes an eyeblink to change a name and so we have the incessant drivel from Charles E Harw­idge churning out cut’n'paste directly from the La­bour.org site.

        Publishing IP Addresses would kill this blog.

      • 412
        Doctor Mick says:

        I think it would have an effect. For some reason my longer reply is awaiting moderation.

  37. 107
    Fed up with the EU says:

    Oh dear, when Guido is away the swivel-eyed get to spout without limit.

    As for the EU and its parliament, why even the German Supreme Court has rules that the Parliament is not democratic. So that waffle from the Conservative MEP is not well placed to impress.

  38. 116
    Doctor Mick says:

    Still the met has fucked up every other forecast it has made. What am I to do with all this barbecue equipment what I bought in anticipation of the tropical “barbecue summer” they said was coming?

    • 124
      Fed up with the EU says:

      Remember, it is also they who are absolutely convinced that there is global warming. I won’t trust them to organise the proverbial in a brewery.

      • 155
        I Ain't Half Hot Mum says:

        I read this sort of comment when we had a bit of snow a few months ago. At the same time the temperature in Oz was 45 celsius, a fact that many global-warming-deniers chose to ignore.
        Spring is now occurring weeks earlier than it used to (daffs out at Christmas, etc.). When was the last time we (south of England) had a frost in July (my ma-in-law remembers one, back in the dark ages, on July 8th)?
        Global warming means more extreme weather. New Orleans, anyone?

        • 159
          Engineer says:

          Given this summer, why has global warming bypassed Britain?

        • 203
          The UK is becoming East Germany circa 1976 says:

          Given the last 10 years, where Global temperatures have been falling, how come the alleged cause of AGW, CO2 has been rising?

          Erm, perhaps you should call the Goracle, a new hoax needs to be spun that will relieve you of your money, future prosperity and freedoms, the one about CO2 driving climate change is unravelling faster than a whore on crack.

        • 221
          Sir William Waad says:

          Even Gore didn’t have the effrontery to pretend that Katrina was caused by global warming. In fact we’re not having extreme weather. It’s just rather wet. In parts of the Med it’s been rather dry and hot. So it goes on, with random fluctuations over all periods, everywhere day to day, year to year, milennium to milennium. It is a common fallacy of mankind to believe that the End of Days is approaching.

          Australia’s highest ever temperature was 50.7 degrees C, recorded in 1960.

          The USA’s hottest year of the 20th century was 1934.

        • 292
          Lil Olmey says:

          Has anyone heard of Gore lately or have the men in white coats finally got him ?
          The last I heard was he was raving about CO2 on Venus, as if there was some comparison with Earth.

        • 335
          Augeas says:

          Katrina was a Cat 3 hurricane, nothing special. New Orleans’ problems were caused not by global warming but by failure to maintain the levees. Typical ideological bullshit, using global warming as an excuse for government incompetence.

        • 399
          Budgie says:

          Help! The man made global warming bores are invading the blog.

    • 131
      Engineer says:

      Buy a large tent with a chimney.

    • 144
      Barbecue Bill the Sailor says:

      Burn it. Be thankful you don’t catch salmonella from that half-burnt, half-raw sausage you would otherwise have eaten.

  39. 118
    Lucy Lastic says:

    WHERE’S THE BLOODY CAPTION COMPETITION?

  40. 120
    Perry Neeham says:

    Give it a break Chazza – I’ve shat better

  41. 122
    Engineer says:

    I’m fairly sure I saw this posted yesterday. It was boring then, it’s even worse now.

    And will you leave that poor grasshopper alone…

  42. 129
    a n other says:

    does it matter who is whos group in eu anyway ?

    • 432
      Budgie says:

      Yes, the Tories will be able to give eurosceptic speeches that the EPP would prefer they didn’t. And no, because MEPs have less power than the Lords in the Upper House. Though MEPs power is growing.

      You have to look back to when CMD was elected by the Tories; he gave a token to the eurosceptics in order to pick up their votes.

  43. 130
    nell says:

    ‘chaos and despair of the last few weeks’ = presumably you mean the self inflicted ridicule that gordon has brought upon himself by his obduracy.

    ‘how little some people understand economics’ – well that says everything about gordon doesn’t it?

    ‘gordon unflappable?’ = lol charlie your a hoot a minute – let’s not forget what his good friend kmaguire said about gordon’s ‘red mist’ and then all those flying nokias.

  44. 143
    mad fred 2 para, retired.... for now says:

    One of the main reasons Labour has thrown the British Army to the wolves in Afghanistan & Iraq is to batter their moral & run them down to such an extent that when they announce that the British Army will become the EU Rapid Reaction & Defence Force there will be no opposition from the ranks.

    If a troughing Tory in Europe, or a troughing Labour marxist takes issue with other democratically elected MEPs then surely that makes them “undemocratic” & “fascist”?

    I know the will of the people & indeed “democracy” means little to the Kommon Purpose mob – but if someone is elected. no matter how unpleasant, they should be respected.

    • 156
      green fried haddock says:

      absolutely para the logic is faultless, except that means respect Gordon Brown, still.

      • 222
        nell says:

        Except gordon’s never dared give us the chance to elect him personally. He knows what we will do when that day comes.

        Or then and again maybe he doesn’t – he is still telling his party that he fimly believes he can convince us that He’sThe One

        • 226
          green fried haddock says:

          Nonsense, the head of state is the Queen and not elected, except by God.

        • 677
          nell says:

          223 – someone needs to tell that to gordon -clearly he’s got his roles muddled up.

    • 430
      Doctor Mick says:

      Even worse an hypothesis.

      The British Army is one of the few things left that this country does exceedingly well. There is none better in terms of ability and professionalism, if you exclude numbers and equipment. Even the US grudgingly and quietly admits that.

      Labour, and Brown in particular, has run it down consistently since they came to office. If the Falklands were invaded again we do not have the resources to do what we did last time, such is the degradation.

      Say, inless than a year, there were a catastrophic financial meltdown. Say there were an unleashing of terrorist outrages. Say pension payments were halved and civil unrest followed? And say a “state of emergency” was declared and the general election were postponed indefinately? People would take to the streets.

      The police would do the government’s bidding. The Queen would not.

      Who would uphold the constitution?

      The Army would. But they are not here.

  45. 149
    Master Baiter says:

    Barechestedtoothflosser, keep the booby prize.

  46. 150
    Fed up with the EU says:

    Congratulations – you certainly are a good bollocksmeister.

  47. 151
    Master Baiter says:

    jgm2 is not in touch with reality and always steers well clear of the facts. The regulation argument simply does not hold water.
    A b ur gl ar is a b ur gl ar irrespective of whether an incompetent plodding policeman succeeds in stopping or catching the b ur gl ar.
    Similarly the thieving financial spivs in the over powerful financial oligarchy have brought about the current maelstrom through incompetence, corruption, financial ‘innovation’, magic beans and hocus pocus. It has nothing to do with the policies followed by the government or the Conservitudes would have followed. In fact (note fact) the Conservitudes refrain throughout the bubble was to call for less regulation.
    However the important issue is what are the policies now that the fan and the excrement have come in to contact with each other.
    The Conservitudes would do nothing, which would have led to more public debt with more businesses collapsing and more jobs being lost.
    The government has followed the correct course. It’s policies are the most prudent options available.

    • 186
      Putin says:

      Goodness me almost a fact in your post. Keep it up. However:
      Who was in power during this financial free for all? Did we have a hung Parliament?No. So what good would a call for more regulation have been? Time serving Labour MPs would vote as told. Obviously that is the Tories fault. Pray tell how?

      If the financial woes were nothing to do with policies of the government, precisely what good would a call for greater regulation have done? Not necessary surely.

      I repeat (again) you do not know what the Tories would do. Pure speculation. Claiming it to be true does not make it so. Delusional,half baked,party dogma.

      After 12 years is that all you have?

      • 196
        Master Baiter says:

        A burgl4ar is a burgl4r.
        A thieving finanical spiv is a thieving financial spiv.
        A plodding policeman doesn’t commit the crime.
        The financial oligarchy have brought the roof down on themselves.
        Remember Osborne’s office being sponsored by Nat Rothschild to the tuen of GBP500,000 a year. Nat Rothschild’s major client being Oleg Deripaska. Just a small hint of the mire the Conservitudes are involved in as far as thieving financial spivs are concerned. Francis Maude subprime chairman of a subprime mortgage originator now bust, Ken Clarke hedge fund director under water. William Hague employed by another sinking hedge fund. Oliver Letwin, the list goes on.

        • 340
          Augeas says:

          A liar is a liar. I’m no fan of Osborne, but Rothschild paid him a one-off sum of £190,000. And he is closer to Lord Mendacious of Robertson and Hinduja than he is to Osborne. In the aggregate, hedge funds have performed better than banks, and if they fold the professional investors lose their money, as they should, and nobody else gets hurt,
          Stick to gutter labour politics, which you seems to understand, rather than finance, where you know jack shit.

        • 407
          Budgie says:

          The primary “thieving financial spiv” in the oligarchy was Gordoom McBust.

      • 337

        http://ukhousebubble.blogspot.com/2009/07/uk-financial-supervision-is-still-mess.html

        by Alice Cook
        A few select quotes from today’s treasury committee report on financial supervision:

        By any measure the FSA has failed dreadfully in its supervision of the banking sector,…

        We believe the reforms to the institutional structure of the Tripartite Committee announced in the Treasury’s recent White Paper to be largely cosmetic. Merely rebranding the Tripartite Standing Committee will do little in itself.

        Substantial reforms to capital and liquidity regulations are now required. The Basel capitalrules did not work in preventing the financial crisis. Arguably they made things worse by distracting the attention of leading experts. We therefore support the introduction of a leverage ratio, to complement the more risk-sensitive minimum requirements under the Basel II capital accords. We also support an element of counter-cyclicality in capital regulation.

        Clarity over existing (financial supervisory) responsibilities remains a problem, but no new responsibilities should be allocated until a decision is made about the precise tools needed for macroprudential supervision.

  48. 152
    Engineer says:

    Oh dear, spoke too soon….

  49. 153
    Alan Philip Bonggg says:

    Kaminski was good when he played violin in ELO

  50. 158
    a n other says:

    last wicket gone 263 all out

  51. 160
    chronic says:

    263 all out

  52. 165
    Fed up with the EU says:

    Is Glasgow University that bad that it needs a human rights campaign?

    • 169
      chronic says:

      A degree in alcoholism and smack administration must come in handy in Scotland.

      • 176
        Master Baiter says:

        a chronic comment

      • 182
        chronic says:

        a Master Baiter comment.

      • 187
        Master Baiter says:

        A chronic response

      • 190
        comment says:

        a comment response

        • 223
          The Man Knox says:

          I think you’ll find that the greatest number of alcoholics can be found in dear old Englandistan. They bad old days of Scotland being the hardest drinkers of the UK have been overtaken by the binge drinking filth of Ye Olde England.
          I must admit if I had to live down south I’d be bladdered 24/7.

    • 170
      PT Barnum (Ex-Labour Party Member) says:

      Do not engage with this fool. He is conducting his own personal witch hunt against people with more integrity and intelligence than he could imagine possessing. He is not a troll so much as a noxious monomaniac whose ambition is to wreck careers and reputations for his own twisted satisfaction.

      And before you start threatening me, Mr Laird, have you given your evidence to the police yet? No? Thought not.

    • 293

      Apparently it’s now a human right to be employed (at glasgow ex-poly*) regardless of how awful you are as an employee.

      *Nothing wrong with that.

      • 495
        Chris Gilmore says:

        Two swimming pool attendants hosed Georgie boy down with a high pressure hose when he was near the swimming pool. Violated his human rights. Fuckers.

        Every human has the right to be unwashed and smelly and these two characters took that away from wee Georgie.

        • 780

          Dear Chris

          Thank you for getting the message out that the University of Glasgow is a really bad place for working class people who are victimised by the Senior University management.

          I wonder what your employers would say about such disloyalty?

          But to be fair, you’re dying from heart disease and confession is good for the soul, pity you are going to straight to hell.

          Time is getting short.

          Yours sincerely

          George Laird
          The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

    • 660
  53. 177
    Osama the Nazarene says:

    Top marks to Dave for withdrawing the whip from this Europhile trougher.

    It is time the Europhiles learnt that the Conservatives will not slavishly follow the integrationist tendencies of the Euro eltite and their NuLiebor hangers on, manipulated by Mandelson. Nor do they intend to withdraw from the EU as UKIP would like.

    Enough integration it is time to reverse it. This, in case you did not realise it grasshopper, is what this new Euro grouping, the ECR, is intended to achieve!

    • 1039
      Budgie says:

      I am very wary of the Tories and CMD. But the formation of the ECR grouping at the heart of the EU, if not at the seat of power, is encouraging.

  54. 180
    The big D says:

    This one was used at 5:21 pm yesterday.

    It must be so difficult composing original socialist slavery Labour party lies; much easier to cut and paste one you prepared earlier.

  55. 188
    SS says:

    Fascism,like any other form of Collectivism,comes from the Left.I think this man has some educational issues to contend with.Someone buy him some Hayek.

  56. 199
    mitch says:

    Scary stuff if true.

    “Like any Ponzi scheme, the stock market will collapse when no more new buyers can be dragged in at the bottom. As the market starts to stutter, governments (most recently Britain) have moved to dump huge reserves of gold onto the world market to depress gold prices and deter investors from deserting the stock market for gold.”

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ARTICLE2/doodoo.html

  57. 200
    rimmyarse says:

    If Hannan, Van Orden were truly anti-European, as soon as the Treaty of Lisbon is ratified they should walk out of Strasbourg and never return.
    But of course they won’t – they’d have to give up all that lovely loot. How great to be a Tory MEP – rail against the Treaty while trousering all those euros.
    Little wonder I voted for the English Democrats

    • 216
      Trev says:

      English Democrats who will never be elected to do or not do anything. EDs would never take up their seats? No wonder nobody votes for them.

  58. 205
    Sir Reginald Titbrain says:

    Why we must stop rise of a new face of fascism…..

    Maybe we should be asking why there is a new face of fascism and if it is indeed rising, and then address the conditions which are behind it.

    When I say we, I mean us.

    Not the politicians and the movers and shakers, they whose watchwords are control and take, and are too timid to acknowledge the non PC worries of ordinary citizens regarding matters of mass uncontrolled immigration and the change this has wrought on our country.

    Yesterdays post was about Cameron going to see Mr. Rudd, who Chairs a pro EU business group one of the aims of which is to get Turkey into the EU asap.

    Well I have nothing against Turks, being quite happy with my Polish plumber, but I don’t want them or any other nationality to be able to flock to this already overcrowded country in their millions should they chose to do so. So if Cammo has to sidle up to a Pole of dubious peeceeness to stop the EU runaway train then he’ll get my vote.

    • 247
      Bog Standard Eurosceptic says:

      But will he? Every Prime Minister has taken us further up the track. If he’s in a minority grouping in the EU,what influence will he have? And does he even want to stop the train?

      • 414
        Budgie says:

        Your comment about the Tories being in a minority grouping would be important if MEPs had any influence, but they don’t, so your comment isn’t.

        However CMD might end up taking us even further into the clutches of the EU.

  59. 206
    The big D says:

    This one used last at 8:00 pm yesterday. Charles is on autopilot and hasn’t noticed that our excellent has been cleaning.

  60. 211
    Lifebuoy says:

    Be still, soapdodger

  61. 212
    • 215
      R.McGeddon says:

      ‘GOATS’ does n’t mean Government Of All Talents, it stands for

      Gordon Only Appoints Tossers.

    • 219
      Sir William Waad says:

      I hope he hasn’t paid for that wig yet. Demand your money back, Bob! Mind you he’s bound to be crap at procurement.

      • 364
        Funambulist says:

        Bob Ainsworth has selflessly dedicated himself to preserving the image and memory of Bicycle Repair Man. He is a one man tribute brand.

        • 608
          Nigel St. John-Farquharson-Smythe says:

          Daily Mail-

          “I’m such a victim, people attack me over my accent, my moustache…and because I’m no intellectual, moans Defence Secretary”

          But, of course, they don’t attack him for being a backward tnuc!

      • 714
        Stalins Organ says:

        They sold him one with a hole in it!

    • 267
      nell says:

      Interesting to see that he became a member of the International Marxist group in 1982, who’s aim was to infiltrate the Labour Party.

      Well look at the cabinet now – seems to me the International Marxist Group succeeded spectacularly.

      Methinks we should be more worried about that than we should about some lose association between Kaminski and the Conservatives.

  62. 213
    Dirty Rat says:

    Rumor has it, that at only a few days old, Kate and Derek’s sprog is doing the Viennese Waltz like a professional.

  63. 214
    DisgustedOfMitcham2 says:

    “Taking the whip away” has never sounded like much of a punishment to me, but I guess that’s a matter of personal preference. If you were, for example, Max Mosley, then you’d probably consider it a very severe punishment indeed.

  64. 218
    Cutter says:

    Great!

    I have lost faith in the tories anyway.

    Normal old bollocks from a weak leadership, that are of the promise them everything to get into government then do as you like, and fuck them!

    Same as all the mainstream parties utter wasters!

    • 242
      teh educashun center says:

      Tell you what, why don’t you vote Labour at the next election? You obviously love getting rammed up the arse by McTwat and Mandy.

      • 678
        Cutter says:

        Talking of being rammed up the arse thats exactly what our MP’s are getting from uncle sam, they won’t notice you see, their snouts are in the trough and their arses are sticking up so perfectly.

  65. 220
    Pain in the Arse says:

    Be still, glasscutter

    • 229
      Trough Mixture says:

      Beast ill Grasscutter?

      “When the sun beats down and I lie on the bench,
      I can always hear them talk.
      Me, I’m just a lawnmower – you can tell me by the way I walk…”

  66. 228
    Master Baiter says:

    Oh! The infamy of not being deleted!

  67. 231
    James Dunlop says:

    Reproducing europhile propaganda without analysis does your site a disservice.

    McMillan-Scott claims that “he [Kaminski] symbolised the rise of disguised extremism in Europe.”. By ‘disguised extremism’ he means that, annoyingly for McMillan-Scott, Kaminski does not have any extremist policies that can be criticised, so instead McMillan-Scott sets up various false targets, such as a 1942 quote by a now-dead American who has never been mentioned or endorsed by Kaminsk, and attacks them, insidiously and misleadingly implying that Kaminski is on the opposite side of the argument. Its the sort of smear campaign that would have been run by soviet-controlled state media before the efforts of Kaminski and others helped dissolve the soviet empire. McMillan-Scott’s real fear is the ECR group may now help dissolve the Brussles empire

    McMillan-Scott’s protestations about his own motives and risk taking lack all credibility. He says “Although Kaminski was nominated by the new Conservatives and Reformists Group (ECR) created by David Cameron, I decided to take the issue head on, even at the discomfiture of my own party. I did this at great personal and political risk – I could have lost everything and have now lost the whip”. McMillan-Scott has been on the Brisseles gravy train for 12 years, he supports the Brussles ideology, and has loyally attacked the ECR group that challenges it. Can anyone believe that the Brussles euro-establishment would not ensure that ‘one of their own’ such as McMillan-Scott was looked after . McMillan-Scott is an old-style europhile who (despite his disingenuous statements in the YP article) opposed the split from the EPP, and who was elected by MEPs from outside his party and the ECR group (essentially europhile MEPs voting for McMillan Scott rather than their groups official candidate as they could rely on their official candidate winning anyway and wanted to undermine a new ECR grouping that challenged the federalist hegemony)

    Dan Hannan covers the issue well(http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/danielhannan/100005218/accusing-euro-sceptics-of-anti-semitism-is-the-most-shameful-tactic-yet/) , but McMillan-Scott’s own article shows him to be pompous and self regarding “At the same age as Kaminski was consorting with fascist skinheads, I was a member of the Young Conservatives”. How nice for him in a free country to spend his evenings at the YC dating agency; he must be a better person than Kaminski who was fighting against the soviet occupation of his country without conducting background checks on his fellow resistance fighters. Perhaps McMillan-Scott would like to congratulate himself for being better than Winston Churchill who sullied his hands by forming an alliance with Stalin.

    McMillan-Scott is proud of setting up a quango that achieves little for great cost “I set up the EU’s Democracy Initiative, now with a budget of e140m, to spread the Conservative values of democracy, human rights, the rule of law”. Its website says “The European Union, through the European Instrument for democracy and human rights supports the human rights defenders, against repression and the arbitrary exercise of power,”. However, it does not support those within the EU who try to shed sunlight on the machinery of government, and oppose covert and corrupt practice (don’t expect to see Marta Andreason at their meetings).

    McMillan-Scott suggests that saying, 10 years ago, “Poland for the Poles” makes Kaminski unacceptably racist, why was he silent when Gordon Brown talked of “British Jobs for British Workers” far more recently. No one genuinely believes that Brown is racist, rather, in a spat between socialist brothers, he made an oafish attempt to solicit votes otherwise destined for the far-left-xenophobic BNP by using their language to say ‘instead vote for the not-quite-so-far left-but-still-a-bit-xenophobic Labour party’.

  68. 234
    So17 says:

    The Conservatives leaving the EU mainstream is quite an appealing headline, the public don’t care about the detail least of all if it’s Labour and Tory Europhiles getting all steamed up.
    This is what you get when you treat innocent people like ‘Facists’ they think ‘Oh well fuck it then,I’ll vote BNP’.
    As a fag smoking car driving white straight bloke I will always be the enemy of the Left unless I have my tongue far up the arse of one minority group or other.
    Well fuck you.

  69. 235
    bernie ecclestone says:

    Call me a little runt if you like, but we need more Nazis at the heart of Europe. At least they make the trains run on time, and their uniforms make me hard.

  70. 237
    dicey says:

    “I have no comment to make on the political issues with this…”

    Hey Softknob, I don’t know if you saw the sign over the door when you entered, but this is a political blog…….der brain.

  71. 241
    Master Baiter says:

    This blog is out of order.

  72. 249
    Sir William Waad says:

    There was a young lawyer named Rex
    Who was sadly deficient in sex.
    When arraigned for exposure
    He replied with composure
    “De minimis non curat lex”

  73. 250
    Art. 38 says:

    This could be fun, or will the book be shit?

    Scandal MP turns the screw on his leader
    It’s a literary intervention that the Lib Dems could do without at their Bournemouth conference. Mark Oaten, the frontbencher who came to grief over a rent boy scandal in 2006, is to publish a searingly honest account of his own failings, and those of his colleagues, during the annual gathering.

    In his book, Screwing Up, the high-flyer explains just how he came to participate in what one newspaper called a “bizarre sex act too revolting to describe”. Oaten, who worked closely with Charles Kennedy, also writes about the former party leader’s battle with alcoholism.

    “I don’t intend to cause the party embarrassment by dragging up these issues,” Oaten assures us. “The book is an honest account of stress, depression and what it’s like to be caught in the eye of a scandal.”

    Screwing Up also offers Nick Clegg advice about forming a coalition with David Cameron after the next election — “I have shown Nick the chapter. My conclusion isn’t currently party policy.”

    However, Oaten, once touted as a future leader, won’t be part of any such Administration. He is quitting Parliament at the next election.http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/women/celebrity/article6733822.ece

  74. 251

    The Tao comments that people who talk up morality take their attention off being moral, and people who are moral are so busy being moral they don’t have time to talk about it. The Prime Minister compares well with the opportunistic Tories in that regard.

    I note, the serotonin buzz addicts are peppering their comment with “principle” and giving each other hearty backslaps, while casually ignoring the focused and consensual approach of people who don’t fit their world view. Close, but no cigar.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 270
      Old Rockape says:

      What a load of Bollocks

      • 441
        Budgie says:

        The Tao does not comment anything. The Tao is the path of righteous behaviour.

    • 285
      shelling-out says:

      Gordon Brown wouldn’t know morality if it slapped him in the face. You say you and he are alike.

      Speaks volumes, that does.

    • 295
      D T Suzuki says:

      You must read the Bible for true enlightenment

      I believe you believe we All believe

    • 357
      Charlie for the pm !! [or is it a rumour?] says:

      Hi charlie er can you help me as my gardens full of morals! and their ruining the lawn, can i borrow some of your drugs to send them to sleep as they seem to work brill on anyone reading you posts!

      • 401
        barefootcontessa says:

        Charlie for the pm, do you by any chance mean moles? or do you mean morals, quite a difference.

    • 395
      barefootcontessa says:

      He’s back! Grasshopper, get those mandibles ready.

    • 552
      Charles on E Hardwidge says:

      The Tao comments that bullshitting wankers like me who talk up morality take their attention off being moral, and people who are moral are so busy being moral they don’t have time to talk about it. Gordon Brown and David Cameron both fail on that score, they’re both dodgy as fuck, they are just a pair of right fucking chancers.
      As well as being a heroin addict I am also a serotonin buzz addict and I pepper my rubbish comments with fake-arse “principle” while casually ignoring the focused and consensual approach of people who don’t fit my narrow fascist world view. Close, but no cigar. Not as clever as I thought I was by a long chalk.

      Still shit, bullshitter.

  75. 257
    disco kitten says:

    I went to a comprehensive so I can’t do English

    is it correct to say “I am full of farts” or “I am full of fart” ?

    • 262
      Trough Mixture says:

      If you let a good rasper drop, pretty much everybody will get the message. Dinnae fash yersel’.

    • 264
      Dirty Rat says:

      It totally depends on how you release them. My old dear could fart for England, especially after an evening on scrumpy.

    • 298
      Entwhistler says:

      Does anybody recall

      threeps
      flatterblasts and
      double flatterblasts ??

      I bet Charles E H

    • 336
      Professor Jayant Shitole says:

      A fart is the product of the act of farting and therefore does not exist prior to the act, therefore, during the prefarting period, one might more accurately say “One is a bag of wind”.

  76. 265
    Ever Vigilant says:

    How many votes will Gordon attract when he intervenes to stop the extradition of Gary Mckinnon ?

    I sincerely hope that he does intervene but how disgraceful would it be for him to play politics with this issue?

    • 287

      Why? It seems like a clear case for extradition*, he even admits accessing the systems he damaged. I can think of no legal objection, to stop the course of law for perceived political gain would be a highly damaging precedent.

      *We have a legal extradition agreement with the US. The law applies in both countries. The damage was done to systems in the US.

      • 302
        PT Barnum (Ex-Labour Party Member) says:

        US sources are reporting that the “damage” caused cost between $600k and $900k. No evidence has been provided to substantiate those cost figures.

        In order for a prosecution to proceed at federal criminal level, rather than state civil level, which permits the extradition treaty to be deployed, the damage must amount to more than $5000.

        No audit has been or will be conducted by any authority to prove that the claims of damage costs have any validity. They don’t have to conduct an audit. They can pick a number out of the air.

    • 403
      barefootcontessa says:

      I hope Obama intervenes, the gorgon will be left with egg on his face.

  77. 269

    I have some understanding of regulation and markets, and people and cultures. Also, I’ve taken a leading position on this for over the past year which folks can check if they want to waste some time. So, policy and popular understanding is really just shifting behind where I was from the get-go. Help yourself to the biscuit barrel.

    Let go, dear. It’s easier if you don’t struggle.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 272
      Old Rockape says:

      More old Bollocks

    • 279
      caesars wife says:

      rat shit

    • 282
      shelling-out says:

      You are very quick to foist blame on the posters here. We are ordinary people trying to make ends meet under a government whose only objective is to waste as much of our hard-earned money as they can.

      Open your eyes you stupid, stupid man.

      • 307
        PT Barnum (Ex-Labour Party Member) says:

        “It’s easier if you don’t struggle.”

        Just how sinister is that phrase? 1984′s Room 101, anyone?

    • 294
      nell says:

      I think charlie you’ve finally run out of rubbish to spout.

      This post has been repeated at least once.

      • 297
        caesars wife says:

        they are repeat posts , its just troll bot tactics

        better now speadophile got the boot

      • 576
        nell says:

        charlie – Unite must be so disappointed in you.

        What a failure you are!!!!

    • 562
      Charles on E Hardwidge says:

      I have been poncing off the state for all my life so I have an extensive weasel like understanding of regulation but none whatsoever of markets, people and cultures. Also, because I am such a dimwitted cripple I have fallen well behind on all the important issues of the day: a fact that folks can check if they want (don’t waste your time-Ed).
      So, policy and popular understanding wise I haven’t got a fucking clue what is going on and I have lagged far behind the great thick as thieves from the get-go. I’ve spunked on this biscuit, do you want it?

      Nurse Ratched “Let go, dear. It’s easier if you don’t struggle.”
      Charles E Hardwidge “Not another enema Nurse… Oh, go on then!”

      Be still, grasshopper it is medication time.

  78. 271
    Right Bastard says:

    Western forms of government have to be rooted in Christianity to survive. Those that don’t cannot strive towards the highest ideals and will eventually lose popular support. Communism, Fascism and other repressive regimes are rooted in the basest of instincts such as envy, greed and cruelty.

    The acolytes of these base regimes will always be with us and as long as we can recognise and deal with them then freedom will prevail.

    • 281

      Rubbish. Western civilisation is based on reciprocation and individual rights.

      • 344
        Right Bastard says:

        Western civilisation is based on Christianity.

        • 1159
          Pédant says:

          Because none of your terms are defined, it is hard to tell what you mean to say.

          To put your comment in the form of a Venn diagram, you have circles labelled ‘Western’ and ‘Civilisation’ that have a degree of overlap, allowing for the possibility of things being ‘Western’ and not ‘Civilised’, or ‘Civilised’ but not ‘Western’.

          So far, so fuzzy.

          The next step is to add a third circle, labelled ‘Things Based On Christianity’. Populating this category in any meaningful sense will be difficult, especially when you consider that some of the potential candidates – Wars, Slavery, Gender-Based Oppression – are not normally thought ‘Civilised’.

          Without knowing your motives, what you say could be reductively analysed as containing the meanings:

          1. That which is not ‘Christian’ is not civilised.

          2. That which is not ‘Western’ is not civilised

          Please clarify.

      • 405
        grobdj says:

        By reciprocation do you mean an eye for an eye?

    • 397
      hake fried rice says:

      I have said this before but here I repeat.

      Individualism, in contrast to socialism and all other forms of totalitarianism, is based on the respect of Christianity for the individual man and the belief that it is desirable that men should be free to develop their own individual gifts and bents. This philo-sophy, first fully developed during the Renaissance, grew and spread into what we know as Western civilization.

      the respect of Christianity for the individual man

      • 404
        Right Bastard says:

        HFC, you are indeed a kindred spirit.

        Unless the individual strives towards the highest ideals, he will never be free.

  79. 278
    • 568
      thick as thieves says:

      well it is good to see I have got you on the run anitsocial citizen.
      misrepresenting me and then compounding that error by attempting to conflate a smear as well.
      fuck off you nonce.
      you are scum anticitizen. I do not support terrorist organisations.
      I am merely pointing out that you are on the losing side.
      I have tried patiently to explain the best way forward for you but you are such an ignorant c’unt that you don’t want to listen, you want to wage a perpetual war on the Palestinians.
      your argument is devoid of intellect or morals and so you stoop so low as to make the post above.
      it says a lot about you anticitizen one.
      and it says a lot about zionists.
      you are a most unsavoury character. you give americans a bad name.

      • 649

        The postman will be PM you claimed.

        Do you stand by that claim?

        • 734
          thick as thieves says:

          if Alan Johnson defies brown and blocks the extradition then yes, I stand by that claim.
          gordon brown said he was sympathetic to Gary’s plight. that was a lie.
          he doesn’t give a fuck. gordon brown is an agent of american interests.
          Johnson will have to grow a spine and stand up to the bully boy brown.
          he must realise by now that gordon has taken a big long steamy shit on his head by placing him at the home office with its intractable problems on ID cards, extradition renditions and the problems caused by the EUs insistence on Britain having open borders to keep the failed EU project limping on.
          Alan Johnson will have to stand up to brown on both the ID card and the american extradition renditions programme. if he does not then the c’unt will be alll washed up. his honour will be tested during the coming next week.
          he is the last person who can save the labour party from total destruction.
          personally I think the labour party is already dead as a do do but nevertheless Alan Johnson has a moral obligation to the labour movement to block both these two anti British citizen policies and thereby establish and cement his leadership credentials.
          Honest Al Versuse Dodgy Dave.
          bad news for dave innit.
          note to Alan Johnson: WAKEY-WAKEY POSTMAN TIME TO DELIVER! WAKEY-WAKEY MOTHERFUCKER! I AM TELLING YOU JOHNSON IF YOU DO NOT STEP UP TO THE FUCKING PLATE THEN TOP BOY IS GOING TO MAKE YOUR LIFE A FUCKING MISERY FUCK GORDON BROWN’S BULLSHIT IF YOU THINK THAT C’UNT IS A BULLY THEN YOU ARE IN FOR A VERY FUCKING NASTY SHOCK YOU COCKSUCKING WANKER.
          block the extradition johnson or you are finished you spineless c’unt.

        • 749
          barefootcontessa says:

          Tat, there’s a large grain of truth in that long diatribe.

        • 893
          barefootcontessa says:

          Johnson was only given the job because he promised not to clipe on the gorgon. Politicians always have something ‘on’ each other. they’d sell their souls for half a crown.

        • 997
          thick as thieves says:

          this is how it would work: johnson tells brown that he will block the extradition; brown tells johnson to resign; the parliamentary labour party gets behind johnson; brown resigns.
          it’s a 24 hour deal.
          simple, so simple innit.

  80. 280
    Anonymous says:

    Are McMillan-Scott and Berkow close friends by any chance?

  81. 291
    nell says:

    Part of gordon’s fanfare policy launched this morning to win back the Middle England vote ‘British homes for British people’ has come to grief.

    JnHealey – Housing Minister has admitted tonight that there will be no change to the law to give British people better priority for council housing as such a change to the law would breach Human Rights legislation.

    Anyone remember ‘British jobs for British people’ ?

    • 306
      Art. 38 says:

      Brown is the most stagnant and incapable leader this country has ever had.

      Nothing, absolutely nothing he does, stands up to 5 minutes inspection.

      Interesting that even the ‘right-on’ comedians are pulling Brown to pieces – like on Mock the Week last night.

      I used to think that perhaps King John and Edward II might have been worse, but now think I was being unfair to them.

      • 396
        Doctor Mick says:

        If it were not King John’s incompetence in France there might never have been an independent England.

        Edward II had a red hot poker shoved up his arse; Brown has Mandelson on his back. Which is preferable? I hope I never find out.

        Brown has done absolutely nothing which has benefited this country, worse than that, has brought it to its knees. Totally inept. And yet he will never suffer the consequences of his incompetence. He will end his days as a millionaire while the rest of the country struggles for generations to pay off the effect of his profligacy.

        • 420
          The big D says:

          Time for a treason trial?

        • 448
          Budgie says:

          Yes, Bruin should be put on trial; and I hope he goes to prison, alongside his mate, Bliar.

        • 479
          Art. 38 says:

          @Dr Mick: I prefer to think there might not have been an independent France :-)

        • 487
          Doctor Mick says:

          If the two countries had not been separated where would the seat have government have been? Where the weather is great, the food superb and excellent wine by the barrel or where it rains all the time, is bloody cold, and good food is a plate of chips?

        • 598
          Budgie says:

          I think you have answered your own question there, Dr Mick – it has got to be Hull.

        • 661
          Trough Mixture says:

          In Hull there is a tiny street – perfect for soaking the McMad ennobled in Crème pâtissière. It’s called ‘The Land of Green Ginger’.

  82. 296
    caesars wife says:

    i dont have a problem with Kaminski he can hardly do any worse than last tory MEP group leader , not a time for flaccid presence with Eva Kleb of smersch on the rise .

    Osbourne has pointed out we have the biggest debts to gdp ratio and may lose our national credit rating .

    have been wondering was supreme court formation (ie change in the lords chamber) ever on any labour manefesto pledge ??

    612 days of the ruins reign and has anything he done been on a manfesto or being put to the Uk people ??

    Gary Mckinnon , should be treated this way , i dont think hes going to do it again , money would be better spent getting cyber fraudsters into court , not a lucky hacker who watched to much X files

    • 370
      Grandma B says:

      Gary Mckinnon did the USA a favour. Their security systems must have been absolutely rubbish. Just imagine what a real enemy could do with access to such lax security systems.

    • 372
      Rosa Klebb says:

      Please get my name right. Such a mistake the Stasi never would have made. (clicks heels) Danke!

  83. 303
    Charles_E_Hardwidge says:

    You can all fuck-off – goodnight

  84. 312

    Claiming principle and being principled are not the same thing, just as the Tory claim to freedom and the family, while kowtowing to bullying business and robbing the wages of the poor to subsidise the leafy subhurbs aren’t the same thing. Jeez, take up some Zen.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 315
      Old Rockape says:

      Your Furnace is ready your Honour

    • 366
      shelling-out says:

      Jeez. Is that the word of the hour for you? You can’t seem to end your comments with anything else.

      • 482
        TOO FAR says:

        C of E H You realy need help.. or we do, YOU ARE THE MOST BORING FART
        Ho! you must know that!

        Reading your crap gives sanity reason. That is if LABOUR VOTERS follow your Karma (or whatever) That explains all.
        Think about it ..Grasshopper… or smoker of grass.

        Stupid boy (or girl) just another attention seeker with a serious inferiority complex…. NOTE!!!
        Your type of reasoning is totaly illogical, but for you it helps you to deal with day to day life. Pissing anybody or anyone off. AS LONG AS THERE IS NO DIRECT THREAT TO YOURSELF.
        People with your problem are the cowards of this world….sitting behind a keyboard.

        SAD AS !???

        FFS Grasshopper… try another insect IDIOT!!

    • 465
      Budgie says:

      So, let’s get this straight: when Goodwin (the evil banker) used to visit Gordoom, was it Goodwin bullying Gordoom, or vice versa?

      One things for sure, since McDebt kept claiming how well he was doing at running the economy he must accept responsibility for the way it has turned out. Gordoom cannot have it both ways.

    • 575
      Charles on E Hardwidge says:

      Not that I would know but I have been told that claiming principle and being principled are not the same thing, just as the New Labour war criminals like Tony Blair are still roaming free and haven’t been dragged to the Hague to be tried for war crimes and if found guilty, hanged. And another thing that is pissing me off is the way the spineless New Labour cabinet is fucking still kowtowing to bullying business and robbing the wages of the poor to subsidise the greedy bastard bankings who are pissing and shitting on our faces.
      Jeez, I have got to give up heroin.

      Be.

  85. 316
    Vote vote vote for Jacqui says:

    Guido,

    Same question,just a different thread of yours.

    How is the Fund Raiser going to finance a private prosecution against
    Mrs.R.Timney(aka Jacqboot Jacqui).

    How can you divorce yourself from the issue.?

    Did we all imagine your announcement?

  86. 319
    nell says:

    As an aside – has anyone seen or heard anything of harriett?

    She was supposed to have been the one in charge this week and next whilst gordon’s away. Apparently she and mandy had a blazing row over it last week when it emerged that mandy was only going to get one week in charge.

    And then this week all we’ve seen is er….mandy!!

    Maybe we’d better start a ‘where’s harriett’ campaign!! At least with prezza we knew he was in charge because he ws see playing croquet on the lawn at Chequers.

  87. 320

    The Brown Doctrine of purpose, solidarity, and incremental gain is the only strategic show in town. Both the left and the right have to chew on this brick regardless of who is in power and Gordon Brown is the most natural and best placed character to wield that particular sword. I challenge anyone to come up with hard economic or social theory which says otherwise. They can’t because it doesn’t exist.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 322
      nell says:

      The Aussie bushmen will tell you that those grasshoppers are very good to eat.

    • 323
      Vote vote vote for Jacqui says:

      Charles,I am most disappointed that the attempt at suicide by rope
      and poison failed.

      Perhaps the use of a shotgun or razor blade would increase your competence.

    • 327
      caesars wife says:

      its bathnight tonigh charles , and no warsaw pact submarines

    • 346
      Trough Mixture says:

      I’d recommend strong psychedelic drugs, a hot bathroom, a door locked from the outside, chilled rye vodka, ‘Sister Ray’ through 2 hidden speakers (very loud) and a quartet of seven foot leeches.

    • 581
      Charles on E Hardwidge says:

      oh gawd, I’v already done this one but I will see if I can do a new improved version:

      The Brown Bullshit Doctrine of a complete void of purpose, solidarity with the EU, and exponential loss of efficiency in the public sector is fucking definitely not the only strategic show in town. Both the left and the right have to chew on this brick regardless of who is in power and Gordon Brown is the most weird motherfucker in British politics; strange is not the word, the c’unt is just plain creepy. He has a dishonest character and has assassinated many of his colleagues but he always get his henchmen thugs to wield that particular sword. Sneaky c’unt.
      I challenge anyone to come up with hard economic or social theory which says otherwise. They can’t because it doesn’t exist.

      Bs,g.

  88. 324
    caesars wife says:

    What the !!, Lib dems have a spokesman called Chris hoon ??

    wonder if he drives a jaaaaag !

  89. 326
    Old Rockape says:

    I thought you were Charcoal by now( Bollocks)

  90. 332

    Want a better world? Be better people. And that’s not something to blame on the government, or your neighbour, or some trans-national corporation, or foreigners. That’s you staring back from the mirror, buddy. If someone is wrong headed or emotive, that influences the people around them. In turn, that ripples out into a wider community, and it feeds up the chain to big business, politics, and the media. Maybe you can’t change the world but you can change yourself. If nothing else it’s a start.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 343
      davidg says:

      The same old New Labour tactic: when things go wrong blame the victim, or if possible get the victim to blame himself.

    • 606
      Budgie says:

      “Be better people!” Or ZaNu will make you better people. Be warned.

      Next: Anyone found laughing at Gordoom does a tenner in the Gulag. And running away from your Liebore liberators is a crime for which you can be shot.

  91. 338
    ♣5p€d0♣5h0rt5♣ says:

    YOU STARTED IT I FINISHED IT

    • 383
      Grandma B says:

      Started/finished what? Thought you were having an enforced rest today. In fact, don’t bother to reply, things are a lot calmer today. It was all getting too much for me yesterday.

      • 390
        nell says:

        Evening Grandma B –

        Atmosphere today been quite clean and fresh on here today don’t you think?

        • 1161
          Grandma B says:

          Much, much better Nell.

          Bit of a newcomer to this blogging lark. I assume that Mr Dodgy Shorts has been eliminated by Guido, or will be pop up again in disguise. Actually, he should be quite easy to spot because nobody else consistently churns out such unpleasant stuff. The swear words don’t bother me, but some of the sentiments have recently been appalling. It’s such a shame as Mr Dodgy Shorts can be quite funny at times. He seems like 2 different people – perhaps he is.

      • 478
        Doctor Mick says:

        It’s the classic text to McBride from Guido. Spido is apeing it.

    • 392
      nell says:

      Evening TWatson & pals.

      Silly boy. This is not the end – this is not even the beginning of the end – this is only the end of the beginning.

    • 486
      freddie flintoff says:

      damian lad fuck off

  92. 339
    Ever Vigilant says:

    ANTI CITIZEN 1 @282

    On your political point I entirely agree but that will not stop Brown if he thinks
    that he can curry favour.

    Actually at the time of the treaty negotiation,it was for the purpose of combating terrorism .How does Mckinnon get roped into that?

    The treaty is a bad deal for British citizens and the Government should tell the yanks to back off.

    • 388
      PAPA RATSY says:

      The last time ,when the three bankers were extradited their lawyer said that only We have signed it and the americans have yet to sign it Its a fucking joke ! just part of america’s plan to rule the world

  93. 342
    POLITICAL SLUT says:

    I’ll go with anybody that wants us OUT of the EUSSR

    • 351
      Lord Gospodin of Lumumba says:

      Kin ah cry on yo’ ass an’ pray to a God I don’t believe in when we’ve a-done with the fornicatin’ and worse?

  94. 355

    The more you cling to the poll results the more it will hurt when they swing in a way you don’t like. Really, it’s better just to let go. For similar reasons, Cameron’s Bullingdon bully routine is misguided. Indeed, every time he pulls it the Prime Minister becomes more supple and joyous.

    The Conservative ego has really neatly boxed itself in. It can’t go forwards and the inner fear they project on the poor will start chewing them up as they slide. Ouch. The Tao is the path of no effort. *yawn*

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 358
      shelling-out says:

      DC is waiting for Gordon to come back on the issue of a television debate between the leaders, after Mandy said it could be on the cards.

      What better way to hold Gordon to account. If he won’t answer the questions at PMQ’s, he’ll have to answer them on National TV.

      I’m looking forward to it. Hope you are too, Charles.

      • 365
        Grandma B says:

        I’m not convinced he will actually answer questions – he’ll just bore us to death with all the stuff he’s being churning out for months.

        • 367
          shelling-out says:

          If he doesn’t answer the questions, Cameron will just expose him for the fraud he really is. And not before time, too.

        • 416
          barefootcontessa says:

          The gorgon will probably back out at the last minute, and mandy will take over.

      • 911
        Lil Olmey says:

        They’ll have to be very big cards, else Cyclops won’t be able to read them.

    • 378
      Grandma B says:

      361 Hope you’re right.

    • 592
      Charles on E Hardwidge says:

      I have already corrected this post. Please see correct version on previous thread.
      Bs,g.

    • 717
      Stalins Organ says:

      “Supple and Joyous” This is the blind leading the blind!

  95. 361
    David Cameroon says:

    chick chick chick chicken………………………….

  96. 371
    Sir William Waad says:

    I was on a platform with David Cameron once. Platform 14 at Euston as it happens.

    It’s going to be a wet weekend so I’ll be taking the lobster for a walk. Then I’ll be taking it to dinner. Yum-yum!

    Pip-pip jolly Fawkesites!

    • 386
      Grandma B says:

      David Cameron came to visit our city a while back. He’s quite a slender young man. He seemed to be surrounded by a group of middle aged groupies and only the favoured few got to shake his hand.

  97. 376

    Some people, mostly Conservatives, are in favour of “civil liberties” only if it’s on their terms. More pointedly, they’re only crying about it because they think it will buy them a partisan advantage. This is neither right nor fair. It is not the civilisation they claim to uphold but the politics of a Mugabe.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 382
      wot?! says:

      Mugabe – an unelected leader of a country with a ruined economy? hmm…

    • 595
      Charles on E Hardwidge says:

      The New Labour War and Occupation and Torture Party are totally against “civil liberties” as a matter of principle. More pointedly, they’re only crying about it because they are running scared from the consequences of the terrible foreign policy decisions they have made for partisan advantage. This is neither right nor fair. It is not the civilisation they claim to uphold but the politics of a Mugabe.

  98. 377
    Hardwidge Mirror says:

    Some people, mostly Labour, are in favour of “civil liberties” only if it’s on their terms. More pointedly, they’re only crying about it because they think it will buy them a partisan advantage. This is neither right nor fair. It is not the civilisation they claim to uphold but the politics of a Mugabe.

    Be still, grasshopper

  99. 381

    The sword is generally associated with killing, and most of us wonder how it can come into connection with Zen, which is a school of Buddhism that teaches the gospel of love and mercy. The fact is that the art of swordsmanship distinguishes between the sword that kills and the sword that gives life. The one that is used by a technician cannot go any further than killing, for he never appeals to the sword unless he intends to kill. The case is altogether different with the one who is compelled to lift the sword. For it is really not he but the sword itself that does the killing. He has no desire to do harm to anybody, but the enemy appears and makes himself a victim. It is as though the sword performs automatically its function of justice, which is the function of mercy. This is the kind of sword that Christ is said to have brought among us. It is not meant just for bringing the peace mawkishly cherished by sentimentalists… [This sword] is no more a weapon of self-defense or an instrument of killing, and the swordsman turns into an artist of the first grade, engaged in producing a work of genuine originality.

    – D T Suzuki.

    This comment gets to the heart of choosing between ways that give rise to life versus ways that give rise to death. Words and emotions, or policies and marketing, are mere tools. Better ways, or correctness, or the moral are all equivalent, and help solve problems and bring people together. By clearing the mind of junk one may more easily understand the issues and develop consensus instead of building a mountain of funk that will bite us in the ass.

    The Prime Minister has identified a problem and is pressing a solution. If people aren’t persuaded, nothing is lost. He merely drops the whole thing and bounds on to the next challenge instead of getting bogged down in egotistical wallowing. This is quite masterful and will leave the Tories greasy fingers slipping from the bumper of his political vehicle. Left with mere hate and envy the Tories will have nothing left to do but chew themselves up.

    • 385
      HOOBERT says:

      The Prime Minister is finished

      Labour

      HARDWIDGE

      ++++ THE END ++++

    • 387
      grobdj says:

      Consensus is the politics of men without principles.

    • 400
      D T Suzuki says:

      The well bred contradict other people.

      The wise contradict themselves.

    • 426
      nell says:

      I love that your quote was by a Suzuki.

      When my children were little I had a suzuki car . It was our 2nd car, the one I had to ferry the children about.

      Both I and my husband agreed that I would never take it very far or on any major road as it was quite the flimsiest of things, a bit like those vehicles we’ve sent our men to Afghanistan in.

      And very reminiscent of the ‘vehicle’ that this apology for a labour govt has become.

    • 444
      davidg says:

      I like the bit where he has the Prime Minister bounding from one problem to the next without getting bogged down in actually solving any of them – just a quick policy statement leaked to the media, then forget it and move on. Very New Labour.

    • 600
      Charles on E Hardwidge says:

      This comment gets to the heart of choosing between ways that give rise to life versus ways that give rise to death.
      New Labour chose Death.
      Words and emotions, or policies and marketing, are mere tools.
      By not reading my posts you will be clearing your mind of a lot of junke.
      Will you bite my ass.
      The Prime Minister has caused the problems and is getting in the way of a solution. People don’t trust Brown and they aren’t persuaded by his bullshit. He merely fucks things up and then bounds on to the next challenge leaving his fucking mess behind for other people to clear up. The rest of Brown’s time is spent in egotistical wallowing. This is totally fucking useless and will leave the Tories fingers firmly gripped around the driving wheel of his political vehicle.
      This is soooo boring.

  100. 398
    RobC says:

    Macmillan-scott’s opposing of kaminski at “a key moment in European Politics” show just how out of touch he really is.
    Everyone I know could not give a toss who does or does not become top dog on the brussels gravy train.
    We will, if given the chance, vote with our feet.
    The last time we were given a chance to vote most of us supported and were promised a trading association of equals full stop which would enhance business and make everything cheaper, fairer and more accessible.
    What we got was rip off Britain,and a tsunami of regulation from Brussels which is currently throttling the life blood out of this country along with a human wave, bordering on a tsunami, of european economic migrants good, bad and indifferent who have virtually swamped every public service including the police,NHS,Housing, benefits and schools in a stampede to exploit our welfare state.
    The only key moment I am looking forward to is this Country’s democratic right to vote in a referendum on the Lisbon “Constitution” which was illegally signed away by an unelected p.m. under the subterfuge that it was a treaty.

    • 417
      In or Out? says:

      I at least know what Labours position on Europe. Full steam ahead. Ok. You either vote for them or not. But what precisely is Camerons policy.

      • 616
        Budgie says:

        Well I don’t know Liebore’s position because they have different positions at different times and depending who you ask.

        The Tory slogan is “In Europe (they mean the EU) but not run by Europe.” So you do know where CMD stands.

        It’s a load of rubbish, of course; if we are in the EU we are run by the EU – that’s what the treaties say. Nothing CMD says will change that, only by leaving can we escape ‘ever closer union’.

    • 419
      Right Bastard says:

      What we also got was New Labour with a new purpose – to destroy this great and ancient country in order to create the new socialist Utopia, the EUSSR.

      May we find the strength to frustrate their evil aims in the dog days of their rotten administration.

  101. 411

    There’s little milage in taking on the BBC or getting sucked into arguments with other people. You’ll only get a sore head and wear yourself down. Really, the best thing is just to make the best comment you can and stop worrying.

    Nobody remembers anything if you argue against something plus getting sucked into competitive games with other people just lowers the tone. This generates a mountain of negativity and will be the only thing people remember. If it’s good enough for Gordon… *swoon*

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 423
      fuck goes the weasel says:

      Gordon would love to ram his Nokia up your arsehopper.

    • 428
      nell says:

      Is that grasshopper still alive? -Let it out of it’s jar for pity’s sake!

      • 434
        grobdj says:

        I remember collecting grasshoppers in a jar many years ago on a summer holiday.

        Forget about the jar till the day we had to take the bus home.

        Couldn’t understand how a jar of perfectly good grasshoppers left in the sun turned into a pile of stinking slime in less than a week.

  102. 415
    James. says:

    Blair for President?

    Classic!

  103. 418
    Eyes open says:

    Fascist/Zionist, what’s the difference? I suppose at least the fascists are nationalists for their own country instead of Israel.

  104. 421
    This is not an aspirational handle says:

    Be still, ass groper.

  105. 427
    Davey Jones's Lockup says:

    Hardwidge look in the mirror

  106. 429
    Fred Jones says:

    jews are very badly out of control in Europe, USA, Asia and the Middle East. Michal Kaminski is too tame to take on the Nazi jews. Ordinary human people need to rise up against evil malignant child-killing jew filth and burn the vermin.

    Dirty jews are the filth of the Earth. jews are sick evil malignant filth from the pits of Hell. The only way forward is to burn evil sick child-killing dirty jew filth.

    • 438
      Doctor Mick says:

      In ovens? It has been tried before you nutter.

    • 445
      davidg says:

      Oh heck! The BNP wing of the Labour Party has turned up for trolling duties.

    • 446
      nell says:

      Evening ‘doughnut on legs’ – I’m sure you are looking forward to your new job at that catholic school in September.

      I do hope you are going to be more of a success at that than you were as a spin person at no.10, but then. of course, you were quite out of your depth. Charlie and Ed ( who got you your job) will be so disappointed if you fail again.

      Re- members of the jewish community, or in fact of the moderate muslim community, or the hindu community, or my own christian community – I can live with any of them as long as they are hardworking, decent, honest, caring, look after their families, look after their gardens, and keep on eye on their neighbours.

      Labour has persistently denigrated these decent basic principles of human existence. It’s the one reason I would never vote for them.

    • 452
      Ernst Stavro Bloefeld says:

      move along fred thats my neck of the woods

    • 603
      thick as thieves says:

      but you are a jew fred.
      don’t self-hate fred.
      why would a jewish person say such horrible, horrible things?
      what a nasty bit of propaganda that was eh?
      fucking desperate stuff from the zionists.

    • 623
      IM a Plant Pot says:

      Get Fucked Speedo YOURRRRRRRRRRRR BARDDDDDDDDDDD !

    • 627
      GET RID OF SAD BASTARDS says:

      GUIDO Can You Block This C*ut ASAP He is one Sick Puppy !

  107. 435

    People may misunderstand and complain but where communities were a potential hot-spot the government moved swiftly to calm things down and bring people together. Today, the Muslim Council is generally supportive of the government’s efforts and Muslim immigrants are much safer and happier as a result.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 440
    • 454
      Ernst Stavro Bloefeld says:

      keep up the effort charlie , smersch will have its break through !!

    • 457
      nell says:

      I know nothing about the muslim council. What I do know is that my little one who has serious health problems, is still here because of doctors in Leicester . They were caring, dedicated and hardworking. As an aside they happened to be muslim.

      Who cares what someone’s colour or religion is? I judge on what I find.

      If you are trying to provoke racist comments re – terrorism – don’t bother .

      Terrorists are not people with deep and genuine religious beliefs . Terrorists are people who try to manipulate/hijack religious beliefs to gain power. And every religious belief on the planet has suffered from that sort of infestation at one time or another.

      And an infestation of trolls is what we have here now!!!

      • 462
        Engineer says:

        Though in fairness, Nell, a bit of exorcising has gone on today. Spido Skirts has been severely redacted.

        • 539
          nell says:

          Yes – and I do believe that charlie is probably cwhelan.

          These people are the black hole of labour – as evidenced by the proposed foul redrag site that they are now trying to export here.

          They are real labour vote winners aren’t they??!!

          And mandy said today that they needed to win the Middle England vote in order to get back in power –

          Keep going mandy – because you are never going to win it this way!!!!

        • 654
          just curioos says:

          Is “cwhelan” that deluded geordie twat?

          Charlie talks a lurd of shite but does so with perfect grammar which does lend weight to your supposition that this chap is whelan. Wonder who pays for it? Most of it is regurgitated from 2008 so I hope we taxpayers are not paying for this Labour propaganda twice.

          That would be a double whammy.

    • 500
      shelling-out says:

      That’s where Gordon’s votes are coming from. Why else do you think he let them all in?

      • 720
        Stalins Organ says:

        Charlie W has retired and hiding out up in Grantown on Spey, Scottish Nat Hit squads have been tracking him!

  108. 436
    Dick Scratcher says:

    I met the lanky Hunt in the early 1990s. He is a massive Europhile. When I told him that our YC branch despised the EC for its fraud, waste & bureaucracy, he went off on a 15 minute tirade, and wanted to come and indoctrinate us one evening…A typical piece of TRG dog shit.

  109. 437
    Matt Damon says:

    Matt Damon!

  110. 442
    VotR says:

    Tell us how you really feel, Edward.

  111. 451
    Anonymous says:

    why are British swimmers so fucking ugly?

    • 455
      Engineer says:

      It’s all the time they spend in the water. They get wrinkley.

      • 458
        flipper says:

        that bird always wins by a nose

      • 468
        nell says:

        Hi Engineer – noticed how our trolls are morphing?!! I think the attack tonight is more sinister.

        Pity we can’t treat them like grey squirrells.

        I bet Guido is spending the evening somewhere sittiing under grapevines enjoying an evening meal and wine, of course.

        Personally I think Spain is better for that than France. But that’s just my preference. I do believe it’s time for a glass of wine.

        • 480
          Engineer says:

          Hmmm….barbequed troll….suspect the process may be more satisfying than the consumption. Even Hugh Fearlessly-Eatitall would baulk at that for a meal, I suspect.

          Guido has had his leisure interrupted today, but one hopes he can relax a little now. The little Fawkses settled for the night, a bottle or several to hand, and maybe a little less rain than my bit of Engand is enduring at the moment.

          I invested in a bottle of port earlier in the week; time to sample it I think. Enjoy the wine. Cheers!

        • 614
          LOVE ON LINE says:

          You Two need to get a room

    • 463
      davidg says:

      ‘cos by the time they’re dredged up they’re all bloated?

    • 471
    • 483
      Anon says:

      They’re all lezbos?

      • 597
        nell says:

        Lezbos?? Why is that important??

        Are they labour or tories ?? This after all is a right wing blog –

        So you need to say– Who do they support???

      • 611
        PAPA RATSY says:

        In Your SAD Fucking dreams !

    • 610
      PAPA RATSY says:

      What Like Sharon Davis ? You TiT dont generalise !

  112. 453
    Engineer says:

    When play finished at Edgebaston at just on 6pm this evening, I switched over to Radio 4 FM for the news. Lead story – about ten minutes on the death of Bobby Robson; interviews with managers, players, backroom staff, junior groundsmen, former hooligans, bus drivers, you name it. OK, it’s the silly season, and the guy was well respected in the football world, but surely more important things happened in the world today? What is it with Aljabeeba?

    What bad news was buried?

  113. 456
    Obama says:

    I worship Tony Blair.

    • 474
      caesars wife says:

      As in bud lite

    • 484
      Court of Public Opinion says:

      You want to join him at the Iraq Inquiry you arse bandit fucktard?

      • 489
        nell says:

        I’d like to be a fly on the wall when he gives his evidence.

        I want to hear every word he says.

        Especially when he explains about WMD and 45 minutes, and even more especially when he tries to explain about Dr David Kelly now those 11/13 medical specialists have weighed in to question the rubbish this labour government has so far put forward.

  114. 461

    There’s a lot of static in the air but I’ve caught myself breaking into a big grin while walking down the street when I remember Gordon’s in charge.

    He’s a Stephenson, a Brunel, and a Nelson all rolled into one. Britain needs less bullshit and contrariness and more, um, joyous industry. We have our wires crossed but with a little American style confidence and Oriental style teamwork we’re good to go.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 472
      caesars wife says:

      zzzzzzzzzzzzz

    • 476
      Doctor Mick says:

      Good to go. On the downward spiral to catastrophe.

    • 494
      Engineer says:

      Right, that one cannot pass.

      Stephenson, Brunel? How dare you besmirch my calling by uttering the names of these hard-working, brave and successful men of substance alongside that snivelling toerag excuse for a human being Brown. Entirely different league – Stephenson and Brunel created, and their achievements will be with us long after the last shudder of rememberance at the incompetence of that lying lick-spittle Brown are forgotten.

      Hardwidge – I swear if you misuse the names of our glorious industrial and commercial past again, I shall personally centre drill the top of your head, catch your feet in the four-jaw chuck of a Dean Smith and Grace centre-lathe, and take light cuts until you are reduced to a pile of undesirable swarf. I shall make Master Baitor clean the machine down afterwards, as well.

      You utter HOON!!!!

      • 499
        Doctor Mick says:

        You bit.

        Of course he’s a hoon. Of course he’s talking shite. Do not bite little fishy, do not bite.

        He’s not even reading the replies, just throwing in this pre-prepared crap at regular intervals and letting the mop-up trolls, Master Baiter, Aunt Sally et al, do the responses.

      • 664
        Trough Mixture says:

        Eng.

        I have access to the best sinter-HIP facility in the country. Perhaps the porosity of his arguments might be reduced by an overnighter within it’s confines?

        • 840
          Engineer says:

          By re-sintering the swarf, we might actually produce something useful….

          Charles Halfwit – a man(?) barely alive. We can remake him…

    • 496
      Analyst says:

      No he’s the most opportunistic thieving treasonous C.U.N.T.
      ever in British politics.

      Vote for freedom.

      • 510
        nell says:

        I do believe he is, or is in the pay of, damian,cwhelan,edbllls,TWatson.

        redrag lives by their (charlie, ss etc etc ) attempted contamination of this blog.

        • 513
          freddie flintoff says:

          after what i read last night from pseedo i am ashamed i voted for new labour

        • 531
          Engineer says:

          Nobody takes Spido Skirts as representative of genuine Labour supporters, what his game is Gawd knows. Anyway, Guido has given him out, and despite his dissent, that’s the end of his innings. We all hope.

        • 537
          freddie flintoff says:

          lad it was under arm bowling , how could anyone wright that stuff ? was he paid or is he twisted ?

        • 602
          nell says:

          527. Freddie – I think he is part of the circle – TWatson, EDblls, chwhlan, damian, draper etc.

          The clue is in ss’s subject matter – ie DC’s lovely adorable son, because that is the tack they intended to use for the redrag website.

  115. 473

    The polls are wrong because they’re measuring media spin. They’re a partial truth being represented as a whole truth. They will adjust in their own time because they’re not sustainable.

    The best thing the government could do is pull some policy kung-fu and step around it. This requires a certain amount of clue and detachment. Dropping habit and reactivity can help this process. (If anyone wants to see it in action, note the chest beating and performing to the gallery in these blog comments. It’s the same game but on a smaller scale.)

    Be still, grasshopper.

  116. 477
    Charles E Hardwidge says:

    There’s a lot of static in the air but I’ve caught myself breaking wind while wanking down the street when I remember Gordon’s in charge.

  117. 490
    freddie flintoff says:

    right lads had a good day showed the convicts real swing bowling ( well done jimmy and graham ) bell looks good , convicts look lost , what a shame

  118. 516
    Charles E Hardwidge says:

    It’s goodnight from me

    What is the difference between oral sex and anal sex?

    Oral sex can make your day but anal sex can make your hole weak.

  119. 521
    freddie flintoff says:

    what time is the bus ?

  120. 522
    nell says:

    Not sorry to change the subject for a moment -

    According to MoD statistics released tonight (Friday- so hopefully most of us won’t notice)- British Army Casualties have been exceptionally high this month .

    According to the MoD, British surgeons have had to call in American Surgeons to help with scores of ‘seriously’ or ‘very seriously’ injured British servicemen because British medical resources are inadequate on the battlefield.

    Surgeon Rear-Admiral Lionel Jarvis said “As a result of the exhaustion of British surgeons and the gruelling hours they are having to work – US medical personnel have had to be brought in to reinforce the British medical facilities”

    Bob’notbustingagut’ – Failing Again!!!!

    • 524
      freddie flintoff says:

      nell lass i wouldnt blame bob , i blame the lad the had the purse strings for the last 12 years

      • 543
        Engineer says:

        You have a point – £12billion order for new helicopters cancelled four (?) years ago.

        • 584

          And only put back again December 2008.

          Instead the gimp thinks..what would our troops like as they are fighting a desert war and a mountainous,desert war. I know. Some ships. Lots and lots of ships. Ships built in Scotland. that’s what the military are calling out for.
          But I had better check first. “Admiral – would you like some ships?”
          “Yes please Chancellor”
          “Big ones?”
          “Big as you like, Chancellor”
          “OK. I’ll get right on it. But there won’t be enough money for helicopters though”
          “Never mind Chancellor. We can get some in the next spending round. The ships won’t be ready for 10 years anyway, we won’t need helicopters to put on them till then.”
          “Thank you Admiral. I’ll do it. A great decision. Jobs for the heartland and a powerful Navy. And no downside either..”

        • 589
          Bernard Manning says:

          As they say in Greenock.
          Why is the camel known as the ship of the desert?
          Because it’s full of arab semen.

    • 530
      Gordon ( I AM a moron ) Brhoon says:

      It started in America and finished in America

    • 533
      PT Barnum (Ex-Labour Party Member) says:

      Can we also remember the 1,013 (UN figure) Afghani civilians killed between January and June as a result of Taleban bombings and allied airstrikes?

      Just ordinary folk trying to get by as best they can, caught up in the power politics of a world view that only serves to maim and kill.

      • 538
        freddie flintoff says:

        and how many taken to secret cmps ? to be tortuerd

      • 545
        nell says:

        Yes! Thanks PT and Freddie for that – the forgotten numbers of this horrible war.

        Prayer for the night – Please keep everyone safe from this Labour Government’s incompetent handling of the War.

        Please let us win at cricket tomorrow ( and don’t let gordon anywhere near Edgebaston).

        Good Night . God Bless.

    • 540
      Engineer says:

      It is supposed to be a NATO exercise, so I suppose we should co-operate with our allies.

      I gather that our Special Forces are often deployed to help out the Americans, because ours are better trained and more capable than theirs. So I suppose it’s only fair to get a return for the favour. Mind you, we use a lot of their helicopters.

      That said, you’d think that medical support to a fighting force would be provided pretty much automatically, without having to go cap-in-hand to our allies.

  121. 535

    Misunderstandings and personalities can obscure things but the Prime Minister is known to favour positive outcomes, a fair society, and patience in overcoming difficulties. This is a bit abstract for some so small and practical demonstrations of policy, and a more nuanced and approachable approach to the media would help.

    This will help slide under the whirlwind of egotistical frothing and gently develop understanding. Mostly, people just need to see for themselves how to succeed and exist in a more gentle society. At the moment too many people are confused and upset by events but it’s just another bubble. It will pop soon enough.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 542
      Bottler Brown says:

      Be still, glass stopper

    • 546
      Doctor Mick says:

      He is also known for slinging Nokias across the meeting table and for his glass eye popping out and rolling across the floor.

      Most people do not want this clown running the country. Charles old chap when is the general election so that we can express our appeciation of this man?

    • 551
      nell says:

      Dear CHWelan you are increasingly looking like a twerp. Suggest you rethink the insurgency strategy which TWatson,EDblls, draper, damian, and yourself have put together to try and undermine this blog.

      You have, to put it it baldly, been rumbled.

      The crude strategies of redrag won’t work here.

      Good night. God Bless.

    • 560
      Charles E Hardwidge says:

      Actually, its friday night, so wriggle, arse hopper – oooohhhh 5 inches

    • 564
      TOO FAR says:

      Charles do you have a life? such as WORKING! earning REAL MONEY? rather than working for the “state (UK tax PAYER …. or sponging of the hard working PEOPLE (WORKING CLASS).
      All you people out there, Just how does he manage to keep posting on this blog? @ ALL TIMES OF THE DAY?

      because he is on BENIFITS!! …. PAID BY THE LABOUR PARTY….. OR A SAD RICH KID supported by his (or her) mum and dad.

      THINK ABOUT IT!!!!!!!!!!
      COME ON CHARLES, HAVE I STRUCK A (RAW ) NERVE???

      • 577
        TOO FAR says:

        Ha! C’on Charlse give this blog why you have all this time to piss the world off with the boring repeats ot the same old theme!!

        You should now try to justify your exsistence in this world, what is your point of living? being here?

        Zero Nada!! Bugger all. Hate illogical people!

      • 582
        nell says:

        Charlie works for UNITE!!!!

        The poor, hardworking, unsuspecting, folks who pay subs to UNITE just don’t realise that their hard-earned money is being used to pay charlie to try and rubbish this blog and the people who post on it.

    • 574
      A fan says:

      It begs the question whether a nuanced approach and an approachable nuance can cause a positive societal source to renergise in practical demonstrations of positive outcomes such as an approachable nuanced approach or an approach “approach” as is the fashion these days.

  122. 536
    Colly Wobbler says:

    Sounds like the sod’s just trying to justify his own private land grab.

  123. 541
    tim lovejoy says:

    this did not happen

  124. 558
    hells bells says:

    no i had tim lovejoy

  125. 565
    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    “…the rise of disguised extremism in Europe” said the de-whipped trougher.

    * Communism

    * Socialism

    * National Socialism

    * Fascism

    Disguised extremism or otherwise is what Europe does best, & always will

  126. 567

    The Brown doctrine of positive investment, sensitivity to market realities, and the long, long view are key to overcoming a lot of the structural issues at the heart of Britain. It’s going to take a while to bite but any short term pain is worth it in the end.

    However you cut it, this is better than being a failed state. Developing better industry that doesn’t live on bullshit, a sociable society, and a good measure of contentment are good goals but we (that’s you and me, buddy) have to haul ass at our end as well.

    Jeez, just let it go.

    • 572
      Engineer says:

      When you say “let it go”, do you mean a fart? Most of your postings sound like one.

    • 586

      Go to bed Charlie.
      Ballet in the morning.

    • 599
      Alan Partridge says:

      Smell my cheese!

    • 631
      Charles on E Hardwidge says:

      The Brown doctrine of wasting taxpayers money, refusing to accept market realities, and a next day view are key why Gordon Brown is SUCH A FUCKING JONAH and, like Thatcher, is ripping the the heart out of Britain. It’s going to take a generation to repair the damage c’unts like Brown have done to this country.

      However you cut it, this is a failed state. New Labour have fucked our industry, Brown talks bullshit. A sociable society, and a good measure of contentment are good goals but we will not achieve them under a wanker like Gordon Brown.

      Jeez, I just let it go. again. I am incontinent. Okay?

  127. 571

    You all suck at politics.

    Signal to noise ratio at an all time low.

    GET OFF THE FUCKING STAGE! BOOOOOOOOO

  128. 579
    Peter Andre says:

    Any speculation about my private life on this blog will result in my taking immediate action to get rich at any cost. If scurrilous allegations that i cheated on my impeccable reputation of doing anything,and i mean anything,for money,are cast,i will not hesitate to consult my close advisors(Sue,Grabbit and Run)to clear my overdraft.
    I did not have sexual relations with that woman. It was purely a business relationship.

  129. 580
    the next pmqs says:

  130. 601

    The Prime Minister is known to favour positive effort, society, and the long view. This is a difficult thing to nurture in a disorganised and disjointed country like Britian but the essence of his economic philosophy looks like it is designed not to remove the business cycle but expand the sweet spot.

    1. The benefits of bodhicitta (the wish to reach full enlightenment for others)
    2. Purifying bad deeds
    3. Adopting the spirit of enlightenment
    4. Using conscientiousness
    5. Guarding awareness
    6. The practice of patience
    7. The practice of joyous effort
    8. The practice of meditative concentration
    9. The perfection of wisdom
    10. Dedication

    This may not sound like much of a business plan but the principles of Daoism, Zen Buddhism, and martial arts seem to be something the Prime Minister understands. They’re battle tested across a range of industries, countries, and history so I have confidence in them. Better still I see they work with my own eyes.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 604
      Alan Partridge says:

      Fanny hair

    • 609
      Ernst Stavro Blofeld says:

      yak shit

    • 613
      you sanctimonious dimwit says:

      ‘Better still I see they work with my own eyes’

      Should have gone to specsavers

    • 618
      freddie flintoff says:

      charles lad , GET A FUCKING LIFE !

    • 637
      Charles on E Hardwidge says:

      The Prime Minister doing his utmost to destroy the concepts of positive effort, society, and the long view. This is a difficult thing to nurture in a disorganised and disjointed cabinet like Gordon Brown’s government but the essence of his economic philosophy looks like it is was all a load of fucking bullshit.
      1. I am mad
      2. I am mad
      3. I am mad
      4. I am mad
      5. vote labour
      6. grasshopper
      7. I am mad
      8. redrum
      9. I am a dullard
      10. Dedicated to rim Gordon’s arsehole

      This may not sound like much of a business plan but the principles of Rimming, Analisation, and Turkey Basting seem to be something the Prime Minister understands. They’re battle tested across a range of anuses including mine and so I have confidence in them. Better still I see they work with my own eyes.

      Be still, grasshopper.
      That old line’s getting a bit tired now isn’t it.

  131. 611
    caesars wife says:

    Made my day posted on con home, sums it up nicely! posted by RTS

    “It will be the final irony.Smoking bans , alcohol restrictions , anti obeisety programs , all to ensure we live long enough to be bullied into euthansia .”

    funny pensioners will be at back of que for flu jab and tamiflu !!

  132. 619
    freddie flintoff says:

    night lads , please carry on supporting the team , you like a twelth man

  133. 621
    Doctor Mick says:

    Goering Brown is out of his depth and can not cut the mustard. What is the betting he will still be Prime Minister by Christmas?

    • 723
      Anonymous says:

      Mandelson will push him out before then, and install a new favourite puppet, such as Purnell, Johnson or Harman. Labour will still lose the election very badly, but what does Mandelson care? He deosn’t have to face the voters and can afford to toy with the Labour party in whatever way he pleases.

  134. 624

    The government isn’t perfect but, I think, too many people are letting testosterone fuelled fears and worries take them over. This is obscuring the very real gains that have been made during the Labour years and in grave danger of talking us into a needless recession. I remain generally relaxed and completely sure that Gordon Brown remains the better option.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 630
      caesars wife says:

      ardvark shit

    • 638

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/nickrobinson/2008/05/publishing_expenses.html

      Cuttee pastee job from May 2008.

      How long has this pathetic campaign being going on? Who is controlling it now that McBride has gone?

      Or has he?

    • 640
      Anonymous says:

      3. At 11:58am on 16 May 2008, Charles_E_Hardwidge wrote:

      The view I take of both your comment on the expenses claims and essay for Today is both are suggestive of the clutter and negativity that can effect parliament, and a disease the Labour Party is prone to suffering. Working back from poor implementations like the Conway affair, to poor policy, we arrive at poor reasoning.

      Politicians can get lost in ideologies and allegiances but the Tao suggests the sage clings to no principles. Both the expenses and Frank Field issues show what can go wrong when people cling to a fixed compass. Things change, thus, it is the principled man who is immoral in their mind and a disaster to those around him.

      The Zen Buddhist view is that if politicians were less obsessive and judgemental this would create a clear space in which better thoughts and feelings, positions, and governance would naturally flow. Indeed, more correct policy will be more effective, less prone to misuse, and inspire more confidence.

    • 641
      Charles on E Hardwidge says:

      The government is fucked but, I think, too many people are letting the overwhelming smell of crusty shit in the cabinet office cause fear and worry that the smell of Brown’s nappy will make everyone leave the room. This is obscuring the very real losses that have been made during the Labour years and Brown’s smell of shit and fear is scaring away the voters who know bullshit when they smell it.
      Brown is also in grave danger of talking us into a needless recession. I remain convinced and completely sure that Gordon Brown is a total liability and that we will lose the next general election if Brown stays in charge.

      still grasshopper Be..

  135. 626

    In own words: I like living in harmony with myself and other people around. It is very important for me. Besides that I am kind and sensitive. I am always ready to help people who need it. But I always like laughing when I have such an opportunity, so I try to find something joyful in my everyday life.

    Seeks Partner:
    Our tip I would like to find a man who is not an alcohol-abuser. Besides that, he should be kind at heart, loyal and joyful. I should know that I can rely on him as well as he can rely on me.

    • 632
      caesars wife says:

      donkey shit

    • 644
      Charles on E Hardwidge says:

      In own words: I am a contrary lying c’unt. It is very important for me. Besides that I am dim and vulgar. I am patronising. I have no sense of humour because I am so dim.
      Seeks Partner:
      I would like to lick the tip of an alcohol-abuser.

  136. 628

    In own words:
    I am very feminine, kind, gentle and passionate at a time. I think it is seen even in my appearance. I am also graceful and clam. I like home coziness. And here I am a 100 percent woman too, I like taking care of my home and keeping it clean and warm for my close people. Dancing is probably my greatest passion, but I also go in for Yoga and Aikido. Yoga is very relaxing and I like it very much. When I have creative mood I like drawing pictures. it makes me feel great and this is how I can express what I feel at certain moment.

    Seeks Partner:
    I am looking for a responsible, reliable, careful and generous man. I hope he will be serious, successful and financially secure. Also liking to travel, purposeful and believing in a God (this quality is really important for me). it will be great if my future mate will be of Russian or Slavonic origin.

    • 633
      caesars wife says:

      parrot shit

    • 646
      Charles on E Hardwidge says:

      I have got the c’unt on the run innit!

      Latest correction to last post please help me thick as thieves is bashing my fucking brains out and I have had to resort to copying the phone book FFS.:

      In own words:
      I rim for cash, kindly, gently and passionately all the time. I think it is seen even in my appearance by the length of my tongue. I am also clammy. I like homoerotic coziness. And here I am a 100 percent vessel too, I like taking care of cock and keeping it clean and warm for my close people. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah grasshopper etc etc.

  137. 629

    In own words:
    I am loving, tender, soft and kind young lady. My heart is open for everybody, who has a good heart and nice soul. I prefer warm connection between people. I am like a tender flower, which needs you care and passion! I have many interests in life: travelling, cooking. I always try to develop myself, to open something new.

    Seeks Partner:
    I will be happy to meet a gresshopper, whom I can trust in each situation, who will support me with love words and tender attention. I will value your respect to me.

  138. 636

    Politicians can get lost in ideologies and allegiances but the Tao suggests the sage clings to no principles. Both the expenses and Frank Field issues show what can go wrong when people cling to a fixed compass. Things change, thus, it is the principled man who is immoral in their mind and a disaster to those around him.

    The Zen Buddhist view is that if politicians were less obsessive and judgemental this would create a clear space in which better thoughts and feelings, positions, and governance would naturally flow. Indeed, more correct policy will be more effective, less prone to misuse, and inspire more confidence. Only Labour get this.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 639
      GET RID OF SAD BASTARDS says:

      Go To Bed You Sad Shite !

    • 642
      Doctor Mick says:

      Ain’t that the truth!

    • 643
      Working class man recently made redundant after long established employer goes bankrupt says:

      You make me sick!
      You don’t know anything!!!
      You should try working to try and support a family instead of preaching drivel to people who know better.
      LABOUR and GORDON BROWN in particular are to blame for all our economic woe and you are clearly in the minority if you think otherwise!

      Vote anyone but Labour.

    • 645
      Doctor Mick says:

      3. At 11:58am on 16 May 2008, Charles_E_Hardwidge wrote:

      The view I take of both your comment on the expenses claims and essay for Today is both are suggestive of the clutter and negativity that can effect parliament, and a disease the Labour Party is prone to suffering. Working back from poor implementations like the Conway affair, to poor policy, we arrive at poor reasoning.

      Politicians can get lost in ideologies and allegiances but the Tao suggests the sage clings to no principles. Both the expenses and Frank Field issues show …………

      Mcbride is still in charge.

  139. 653
    lolol says:

    Charles,Charley my old fruit loop,I see you have been on this blog most of the day,how many Charles or Charlie’s have we had on shift today must be at least 3 or are you just a computer professional sicko who has nothing to do all day,I do hope you get paid for this day’s work or you are on JSA otherwise your onto a loser
    but you do help Guido’s stats,every day this blog gets lots of readers not commentators and I do hope after readinging your prose they look at Liebour in a new light and vote for some other political party as you are not helping your cause,still got that lousey gurning picture of Brown on my PC and seeing your a computer professional how do I get the thing off.

  140. 659
    Doctor Mick says:

    G’night titfer. Don’t fuck with the Doc. You know it makes sense m8 :)

  141. 662
    nightowl says:

    Firstly it’s good that you’ve started thinking in real time instead of mechanically pumping out your back-catalogue. That soon becomes tedious as you rapidly start repeating yourself.

    I agree that no one would accuse Brown of being a bathroom singer – his appearance on YouTube proved that he is utterly incapable of loosening up and being spontaneous – but that is exactly where your analysis breaks down. Cameron’s spontaneity is a part of what makes him fit for “the real world”, just as Brown’s stiffness, hesitancy and inability to reach decisions without holding an enquiry or a focus group makes him totally hopeless at reaching real world decisions in real time (a trait which you share as demonstrated by your autistic stock posts that don’t engage with the flow of post surrounding them). Laugh at Cameron and he will scythe you down with a few well chosen words, laugh at Brown and he will look confused and stutter out some more tractor stats. Try it and see if I’m wrong.

    Oh, and stop the “be still, grasshopper” rubbish, it is so naff.

    • 669
      PT Barnum (Ex-Labour Party Member) says:

      Nah, that one’s a repeat too.

      Hardwidge shows no signs of reading replies anyway. But it really upsets him when people steal his identity and violate his copyright by stealing his content. He said so on LabourList, at great length.

      So, people, now you know what ticks Hardwidge off. Take his name and his content. Mangle it to your heart’s content in the knowledge that it makes him cross. He wants to sue our host for allowing this. Now that would be a laugh.

      • 689
        GET RID OF SAD BASTARDS says:

        He’s knocked his scripts off the desk and got them mixed up ! The TiT

  142. 666
    Captain Brown says:

    It wasnae me

  143. 668
    shelling-out says:

    Charles. Think on this.

    What if the hokey cokey really is what it’s all about?

  144. 670
    mitch says:

    From the daily wail, Fuck you gordon brown the IMF have rumbled your uselessness.

    Britain will have the biggest debt of any major economy next year, according to the International Monetary Fund.

    The Government budget deficit will soar to £191billion, the Washington-based organisation has warned.

    The figure – which equates to £7,600 for every family in Britain – is far higher than the Treasury’s official forecast of £175billion.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203508/Bad-news-Brown-IMF-says-Britains-debt-crisis-worst-major-economies.html#ixzz0MuqHMlT6

    • 674
      freddie flintoff says:

      eh lad we are fucked , they know it , we know it , and they know that we know it

    • 675
      Gord the Gonad says:

      Thanks to more than ten years of prudent economic governance, Britain is best placed to weather this economic storm which started in America. I can assure hard working families that I am working night and day, leading the world out of this crisis, printing money and borrowing so I can spend and bribe our way out of the shyte. Trust in me, I have learnt from the great Joe Stalin and will soon have more tractor production figures to prove it. The IMF is a conspiracy of lizard people from another world. Ignore them.

    • 679
      Anonymous says:

      Actually that £7600 is just an average. The junkies, jailbirds, welfare bludgers, workshy, indolent, illegals, etc will not be paying any of it, nor the interest on it. Its the working population that will be paying it. The skilled disproportionately too. Indeed, its probably just the 20 percent or so of the population that pay all the taxes that will be paying it. So the debt is really £37k a head – average – for those people who contribute to this place. Maybe they should all start a tax strike til Gordons head is impaled on a pike at London Bridge.

  145. 676
    freddie flintoff says:

    something to cheer you all up this morning ( i know its a few months old but its still good lads )

    • 713
      Steve Expat says:

      Very good speech, and much better than watching the Edgebaston rain there freddie!!

  146. 680
    freddie flintoff says:

    thats true lad

  147. 681
    freddie flintoff says:

    my mate bumble has another view of the ashes

    http://twitter.com/bumblecricket

    • 684
      Trough Mixture says:

      Super!

      What happened to t’ line and length Fred?

      Long stand and a good knock in between the paddling OK?

      • 685
        freddie flintoff says:

        wasnt my best bowling yesterday morning

        • 688
          Charles E Hardwidge says:

          The death of Bobby Robson was never going to threaten the database latency. A thoroughly decent bloke, who has earned respect over decades is not good material for this site.

          What we thrive on is twats, ugly people, or people likely to die in sledging incidents.

          So die Ricky Ponting, you Aussie bastard. You tick all the boxes.

  148. 682
    nell says:

    The two High Court judges who ruled on Gary McKinnon yesterday said they didn’t have the power to stop the extradition but that AlJohnson the Home Office Minister does.

    They also stated that if extradited ‘his mental health will suffer and there are risks of worse, including suicide.’

    Crucially, the judges also said that he could be prosecuted in London which would halt the extradition.

    I think we are about to find out whether AlJohnson does have a backbone.

    • 683
      freddie flintoff says:

      nell lass , after he failed to topple gordon we knew then he had no backbone

    • 686
      PT Barnum (Ex-Labour Party Member) says:

      Most of us know about the unbalanced extradition treaty with the U.S.. How many of us know about this?

      The EU is treated as a single jurisdiction: a warrant served by a Greek judge is as valid in Enfield as in Epirus. Under Brussels procedures, there is no need to present any prima facie evidence whatever before a British court.

      Andrew Symeou, a student from Enfield was extradited in mid-July to Greece under the European Arrest Warrant. He is accused of having pushed over a man who later died. Fair Trials International says that the case against Mr Symeou is built on conflicting evidence, contested witness statements, flawed procedures and, in all probability, mistaken identity.

      This could happen to any of us.

      • 694
        I deeply sympathize but what can I do I'm powerless to act- I'm just the Prime Minister - Gordon says:

        The Daily Mail is obviously getting a tad confused that we actually have a government that gives a “toss” about its citizens – “vulnerable” or otherwise

        http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203568/Now-guts-Mr-Johnson-Judges-say-Home-Secretary-CAN-order-Gary-McKinnon-tried-here.html

      • 697
        Steve Expat says:

        There is still a big difference between an accusation of murder or manslaughter, and a computer geek who realised that NASA et al were using default passwords on internet connected machines and left them a message saying so! Passwords like ‘password’ or o password at all..

        The disruption the Americans talk about in this case was because they had to change all the passwords once they realised they had been compromised and took everything offline until they had changed them all.

        The extradition treaty with the US was designed for murderers and terrorists, this man is neither so why are they trying to extradite him?

        • 698
          Anonymous says:

          and the “Nat West Four” of course

        • 701
          PT Barnum (Ex-Labour Party Member) says:

          The declared costs of “repairing” the “damage” range from $600k to $900k. No audit has to be conducted to legally prove the extent of the damage. As long as it’s more than $5000, the court takes their word for it.

          I’ve been corresponding with my MP for several weeks now over McKinnon’s case. The only thing I have learnt is that the Parliamentary discussion of this issue makes no reference to any technical issue. Apparently it never occured to MPs to consider these questions. What do they pay their researchers for?

      • 702
        streamfisher says:

        All the other EEC countries have that to contend with but the U.K. is unique in that American law seems to take precedence for us thanks to our ‘special’ relationship, nice to know we are really the 51st state of the U.S.A without the voting rights, those spineless cretins known as Her Majesties Government have demonstrated yet again that they don’t give a toss about anybody but themselves.

    • 898
      barefootcontessa says:

      Gary’s life will be in A johnson’s hands? Gary hasn’t a hope in hell.

  149. 687
    Charles E Hardwidge says:

    Why are my comments not being posted????????????

    • 690
      The big D says:

      Is this a question similar to the tree falling in the forest that no one hears?

      Who cares?

    • 692
      The big D says:

      In retrospect, common courtesy suggests that I remind you that our host’s decision is final and that you collect all monies you paid on the way out.

      Please mind that the door as in shuts very firmly.

      Thank you.

    • 693
      Charles E. Halfwit says:

      Be still, half-wit

  150. 691

    This man was elected on the Conservative manifesto that he now repudiates.

    That’s who and more importantly what he is.

  151. 695
    Charles E Hardwidge says:

    My friend told me that 10.25 is the time when most Americans are on this site!

    Good morning Hunts

    • 696
      Steve Expat says:

      Rather unlikely there Charles.

      Depending on which part of America, it’s somewhere between 2:30am and 5:30am now! Must only be the insomnic Americans who turn up here!

    • 737
      Sir William Waad says:

      Your friend is pulling your leg.

    • 739
      Lil Olmey says:

      Schrewie G Lardhead has a friend ?????

  152. 699
    PT Barnum (Ex-Labour Party Member) says:

    A new head of the Qualifications and Curriculum Authority (the body responsible for the schools’ curriculum) has been appointed, a man called Andrew Hall. Hall is a chartered accountant who has held several leading management jobs in multinational companies.

    A chartered accountant has been given the quite important task of deciding what is to be taught in schools. But that is only appropriate, since the QCA sees itself as having what it calls “a pivotal role in helping the UK become the most dynamic knowledge-based economy in the world”.

    As the former education minister Charles Clarke once put it: “Education for education’s sake is a bit dodgy.”

    Mr Gradgrind must be laughing his socks off. Finally his model of education has become the national ideal.

    • 700
      freddie flintoff says:

      and how much will he be paid ?

    • 736
      Sir William Waad says:

      A man who witters about a ‘pivotal role’ and a ‘dynamic knowledge-based economy’ certainly isn’t to be trusted with the English syllabus, or for that matter any science syllabus; he ought to know that all economies are by definition dynamic.

    • 781
      streamfisher says:

      Mr Gradgrind might have said; D-O-L-E, write it on your slate and then go and sign on.

  153. 706
    streamfisher says:

    Brown v Cameron (live debate) will it happen?

  154. 712
    Rant against the Machine says:

    Hey great news folks, just got my Exam results in and I got Straight A’s in every subject, Yipee. The only thing is Im nearly 50 and havent sat any A levels for 30 odd years. Never mind it shows would a great Job the Government are doing !!!!

    • 724
      chronic says:

      ed balls up has a novel way of improving education, just give everyone better marks.

      • 729
        Reichschancellor ( in-waiting, and waiting and waiting ) Balls says:

        Yup, and give extra accreditation for certain GCSEs such as team macrame knotting with additional favourable bias in favour of ‘Academies’ in disadvantaged areas of the country and soon we’ll have socially-engineered a whole generation of dumbed-down adolescents.

        We in NooLabour believe that where ignorance is bliss tis folly to be wise so we’ve succeeded over the last 12 years in increasing absolute levels of ignorance across most of the Country’s schools and Unis.

      • 796
        Infanta of Castile says:

        Suitably adjusted to reflect a range of disabilities such as ‘cold hands’ and ‘slow writer’. I am not kidding about this – I know of A-level and GCSE candidates awarded extra time for these desperately handicapping conditions. I don’t think ‘thick as pigshit’ has yet been allowed as a criterion for pushing candidates up a few marks but I have heard a well known disability lobbyist demand that universities should not discriminate against people with learning disability.

        • 889
          Bob Ainsworth defence Secretary For Great Britain says:

          “Thick as pig shit, are you talking to me ?”

    • 829
      Grandma B says:

      Congratulations!

      Could I tactfully suggest that if you are filling in an application form for a job, that you get someone to proof read it first? I know from personal experience that it’s very easy to miss typos. I suppose it’s possible that you are now going on to do a degree, possibly followed by a Masters and if so the typos won’t matter.

      • 890
        Anonymous says:

        wot the fuk is a typlk ?

        • 1162
          Grandma B says:

          874 A typing mistake, or perhaps I should say a word processing mistake. These mistakes are usually spotted when you’ve just photocopied 100+ copies of the document with the mistake in – I speak from bitter experience.

  155. 727
    D S Custard says:

    The Department for Business, Innovation and Skills has just confirmed a scheme for graduates struggling to get a job to go on trips abroad. When will the scheme be launched? Next week. Who’s going to pay for it? The Taxpayer. Argghhh! These shysters are on a last minute spending spree to buy votes. How is this supposed to help the economy out of a nose-dive?

    • 730
      chronic says:

      By making sure they get voted out.

    • 731
      Reichschancellor ( in-waiting, and waiting and waiting ) Balls says:

      It massages the unemployment figures nicely and instantly creates loads more Labour voters. Next question ?!

    • 732
      Another lost voter says:

      500 vacancies and 100 applications for each job(which is the “norm” for any job these days)THAT’S gonna make a lot of difference to “graduate unemployment” !!

      My son graduated last year from a university in the top 10 league table with a 2.1degree in Economics.He’s applied for loads of jobs since November 2007 both “graduate” and “non-graduate”. Each job has at least 50 applicants(one at the DSS actually had 700 applicants for 10 jobs!!!). One job he applied for was as part-time check-out operator at a DIY firm. There were 3 vacancies – 10 hours each. There were 80 plus graduate applicants for this job !! Go down “Job Centre Plus”and they say look on our web site, re-train, oops sorry no you are too qualified for any of our schemes which are “mickey mouse” anyway. Try working in the voluntary sector(which he is doing and although he’s getting experience for his CV and training in customer skills it doesn’t help him pay off his £20,000 Graduate Loan does it ? )And some pay back for 3 years study.

      Brown and his “mickey-mouse” job creation scheme for young persons is a total joke. Ignore everything that the government says about creating jobs its all bollocks!!!!!

      • 760
        PT Barnum (Ex-Labour Party Member) says:

        And if that’s the situation your son finds himself in, with a good degree in a sensible subject from a very good university, imagine how cheated those who went to a renamed Poly to do a silly degree and still ended up with £20,000+ of debt and even less chance of a job in a graduate position than him.

        This government has long had the abiding belief that by sending 50% of “young people” to university, 50% of jobs will become graduate jobs. With A levels getting easier by the year, and with financial penalties for universities who fail to recruit the required numbers of students (both in toto and from disadvantaged groups, numbers decided by central government per department per university) and financial penalties for non-completing and failing students, resulting in degrees being dumbed down, and you have a growing army of “graduates” who are barely educated beyond O level standard, with fewer jobs to go to, and employers who scratch their heads in disbelief at the quality of those graduates.

        It is an utter farce for which taxpayers, parents, students and the university sector are all paying, in money, sweat, tears and reputation.

        And it makes me very very angry.

    • 733
      D S Custard says:

      Hang on, I just looked at the small print:

      “graduates must raise £1000, buy their own flights and cover the cost of vaccinations to be eligible, applicants will also have to prove an overseas expedition would be beyond their means without the bursary.”

      So if they are poor enough to be eligible they will still have a massive student loan to pay off, so they won’t be able to raise the £1000 necessary to become eligible. So nobody actually qualifies for the scheme. Now that’s clever!

      • 735
        streamfisher says:

        Yeah, we know that the only people that are going on overseas expeditions en mass happen to be M.P.s, fact finding in Barbados etc, all found, three month Gap.

    • 740
      Sir William Waad says:

      In recent decades there has always been at least one sector that hoovered up large numbers of graduates. The legal profession, banking, accountancy, teaching and the public sector have all taken on graduates by the thousand (heaven forbid that anyone should have to stoop to making stuff). All those gravy trains have hit the buffers. They may start up again but in the meantime those unlucky enough to have been born in the wrong year are the victims of the usual boom-and-bust economic mismanagement.

      I can only suggest that graduates learn some skills that are actually useful or try to start their own businesses. Not easy when our corporatist society hates and discourages entrepreneurs.

      • 753
        thick as thieves says:

        not interested in all your education piffle.
        students will have to learn that it is not about what they want to study, it is about what the economy needs them to study.
        end of story. all these moaning students going on about having to pay for their education is all very well, they should not have to borrow to learn but then the daft buggers borrow and then go on to study a useless non vocational subject.
        crazy. if you make a bad decision like that, tough shit.
        not so clever these people, are they?
        maybe they should give up their dreams of academia and work in a factory or as bin men or litter collectors. it is better than them sending off hundreds of pointless applications for jobs they will not get and instead of them sitting on their arses claiming dole money.
        unrelevant degrees are not worth the paper they are written on. frankly, many students would have had a more realistic chance of employment if they had done short term vocational courses instead of a degree, innit.

        • 803
          Engineer says:

          I’d agree with the gereral thrust of that comment, TaT. The government is putting far too much emphasis on degree qualifications for young people; the unintended consequence of this is that those who do not go for degree qualifications feel like failures. This is wrong – we need a society in which people who contribute, whatever they do, are respected for it. I have more respect for a decent, honest dustman than for an arrogant, incompetent doctor – and the worst of the troughing MPs are right down my list.

          There should be ways for people to return to education in later life should they wish. Not all youngsters are inspired by education, but they may develop a desire for qualifications later. The door should not be closed to them.

          Vocational training, in the form of short courses or longer apprenticeships, have been valuable ways for people to gain skills and better themselves for a long time. It is regrettable that tis government has not encouraged employers (by way of tax breaks, or even direct subsidy) to run more apprenticeship schemes – the economy will always need people with skills, and we should not need to import them.

        • 877
          Sungei Patani says:

          TaT,

          It is not often I agree with you but this time you are spot on. I don’t think I can take exception to a single word (except innit).

        • 885
          Rant against the Machine says:

          Well said Engineer Sir, The truth as you probably know is that the Government have created all these universities and dumbded down degrees to keep young people off the unemployment figures its as simple as that.Bollox to them !

        • 903
          barefootcontessa says:

          Tat, there’s more than a large grain of truth in your diatribe.

        • 940
          See You Next Tuesday says:

          You’re a silly fecker, TaT, but I like you. You’ve done a 180 in the last few weeks on this one. I forgive you, though – the one lost sheep. Welcome back!

  156. 738

    While more stick is unfortunately needed at the top, I believe, more carrot is needed at the bottom. People need real jobs to go to and pleasant environments to aspire and develop. I hope the government accepts this and modifies their plans accordingly.

    A lot of folks will be jittery about the short-term economic issues but a calmer political climate can help. By being less distracted by this, hopefully, businesses will invest in creating opportunity and neglected communities will be given equal status as stakeholders in UK PLC. Stay on mission and we’ll get through this, folks.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 741
      Gord the Gonad says:

      Fuck off, cockhopper.

    • 744
      chronic says:

      Charles_E_Hardwidge works for the Records Department of Minitrue, “rectifying” historical records and newspaper articles to make them conform to Big Brother’s most recent pronouncements, thus making everything that the Party says looks like fact.

    • 746

      What’s that smell? Have the drains backed up again?

      Oh…its you.

    • 752
      R.McGeddon says:

      Oh no, not that verbiage about ‘carrots up your bottom’ AGAIN, Mr. Halfwit ??

      Be still, crass twatter.

    • 754
      Charles on E Hardwidge says:

      While more cock is needed in my mouth, I believe, more carrot is needed up my bottom(too obvious?-Ed). I need a real job to go to and pleasant environments to aspire and develop. I hope the government accepts this and modifies their plans for me accordingly because I am getting fed up of tat panning my head in here.

      A lot of folks will be very very pissed off indeed about the short-term economic clusterfuck Brown has caused and many people would be calmer if he was strung up from a lamppost. If Brown is deposed then businesses will invest in creating opportunity and neglected communities will be given equal status as stakeholders in UK PLC. Stay on mission and we’ll get through this, folks. We must kill Gordon.

      Bs,g.

    • 807
      nell says:

      Well hello Charlie – what computer at the Unite HO are you using now, compliments of all those suckers who are paying their subs in the deluded hope that you are using their money to protect their employment rights.

      Still the same mind numbing meaningless diatribe as before I see so no surprise there then.

      Sorry to see you have been and caught yourself another grasshopper. Guess we better get the lawnmowers out again.

  157. 742
    Charles_E_Hardwidge says:

    While more carrot is unfortunately demanded at the top, I believe, more stick is needed at the bottom. People need minimum-wage jobs to go to and peasant environments. I hope the government accepts this and modifies their plans accordingly.

    A lot of folks will be shitting themselves about the short-term economic issues but a brain-dead political climate can help. By being less distracted by this, hopefully, businesses will invest in creating neglected communities in UK PLC. Stay on message and we’ll get through this, folks.

    Bestial arsegroper.

    • 755
      Steve Expat says:

      The key statistic at the moment is that someone taking a minimum wage job rather than being on the dole only earns a small fraction more money for doing so. This is because of the various tax credits, housing benefit etc.

      Someone transitioning from the dole to minimum wage faces a rate of “tax” of around 80%, so they are only 20% better off working full time than doing fuck all.

      For a lot of people that difference is too small to bother them, they’re basically going to work full time for only a pound or so an hour…

      The solution has to be to reduce this marginal “tax” rate by massive overhaul of the tax credit system rules – a LOT of money could be saved from the social security bill at the same time without condemning people to life without a job as happens now.

      • 832
        Budgie says:

        The Tax credit system is too unwieldy to preserve. It is complicated, intimidating and fails to reach everyone in the target group. The better way is to scrap it and cut the income tax/ national insurance of low earners.

    • 758
      shelling-out says:

      Same post again. Have you no new material, or are you just churning out the same old bilge in the hope that someone might believe you eventually?

      Just let it go.

    • 775
      oooo ar says:

      This was on Conservative Home, you plagiarising bastard.

      • 782
        autodidact says:

        Prepair to spend at least two dickheads in the poltickle widdleness, laybor scume!!

  158. 745

    Policy, enforcement, and standards of competence, is neutral. The Tories are just taking trivialities and screaming fire in a packed cinema. There’s serious improvement that can be made in all three areas but that’s harder than just running your mouth off in parliament, the media, or some random blog.

    Cameron’s just rigid minded and petty, and the fact he has no policy focus and is just sticking up for one of his toadies is typical of someone like that. In the real world he’d never get promoted out of the post room. I know, I’ve met people like that.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 748
      chronic says:

      Charles_E_Hardwidge works for the Records Department of Minitrue, “rectifying” historical records and newspaper articles to make them conform to Big Brother’s most recent pronouncements, thus making everything that the Party says looks like fact.

    • 756
      shelling-out says:

      You are people like that, Charles. Or hadn’t you noticed?

    • 765
      PT Barnum (Ex-Labour Party Member) says:

      “Policy, enforcement, and standards of competence, is neutral.”

      ARE neutral, you illiterate apologist for a pseudo-intellectual, autistic-spectrum murderer.

    • 768
      Insomnia to coma says:

      I used to take handfulls of sleeping pills,but not any more! Charle’s post send me into a catatonic state.

      be dead arsehopper

    • 812
      nell says:

      “running your mouth off in parliament” = that’s how ‘b*st*rd bob (aintbustingagut)’ got his nickname – did you know?

      “rigid minded and petty” – gordon sure is

      “In the real world would never get promoted out of the post room” – oh dear – spoilt for choice but let’s take the most obvious first – aljohnson, then jacqui, then militwits 1 and 2 then caravanning margaret ………………………….

      Charlie I’m not sure I’ve told you this before but you are a complete twerp.

      • 823
        Engineer says:

        I’d have to disagree with you, Nell. Charlie is not a complete twerp. There is definately something significant missing.

    • 904
      barefootcontessa says:

      Ignore, ignore, ignore.

  159. 751
    Charles_E_Hardwidge says:

    Policy, enforcement, and standards of competence, are essential. The Tories are just taking trivialities like the two trillion pound national debt and screaming for an election. There’s serious improvement that can be made in all three areas but that’s harder than just mouthing off tractor stats in parliament, the media, or some random blog.

    Brooon’s just a tantrum-prone liar, and the fact he has no policy without focus groups and is just sticking up for himself is typical of someone like that. In the real world he’d never get promoted beyond a whelk stall. Thankfully I’ve never met anyone else like that.

    Jeez, let it all be a dream.

  160. 766

    I have a view of policy, enforcement,and competence that’s pretty neutral. The system isn’t perfect and some people can and have abused their position and need to be held accountable whether you’re talking about officialdom, politicians and, yes, the media as well.

    You see, 99 percent of this discussion is just chewing over trivialities and gossip. It’s empty posturing and never gets to the heart of the matter, and that gets boring. It certainly never solves anything. There’s a lot of room for improvement and that takes more than petty dogwhistle politics. C’mon, raise the bar.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 767
      Charles E. Halfwit says:

      Be still, clodhopper

    • 771
      grobdj says:

      Overspending by £3bn per week and f**cking off on holiday till October is treason, not triviality

    • 778
      shelling-out says:

      But you’re not neutral, Charles. Your posts constantly tell us all how wonderful Brown is and what a good job you feel he is doing. You keep on telling us how superior you feel you are, and your trivial quotes are becoming boring.

      I do agree that there is room for improvement. Once Brown loses the next election – and he will, you will at last see that the majority of people of this country do not want a government who refuse to listen to the electorate.

      If you have time to waste, have a look at the labour blogs. The comments on there speak volumes about how people feel in this country.

      Commenting on sites like this is the only way most of us can vent our anger. People like you are just a small piece of chaff in a field of wheat. The sooner you get that, the better for all of us.

    • 813
      nell says:

      The lawnmower is getting closer to that grasshopper and the ants have started their BBQ in anticipation.

  161. 770
    Sick of Politicians says:

    Brown has made a shocking job of running the country, and whoever Labour replace him with will fare little better, I fear.

    The truth is, Labour have messed up badly of late, and need a good spell in opposition to sort themselves out. While Mandelson remains the power behind the throne, voters will always have a reminder of Labour’s many failures of the past decade or so. It is time for change, and Labour must realise this and step aside.

    • 802
      Lil Olmey says:

      Cyclops can’t read the small print. As far as he’s concerned, his job is to RUIN the country and he’s doing a great job at that.

  162. 773
    Fidgeting Grasshopper says:

    I’m desperately trying to get away from this numskull Noo Labour troll, Charles E. Halfwit but he’s got me penned up in a cardboard box in his bedroom. He’s got no other contact with human beings apart from his Probation Officer, the man who comes to check his electronic tag and his Mental Health Officer who will only visit twice a year. He’s allowed out on Mondays to accompany his step-mother to collect her Giro cheque and to pick up his prescription drugs as well as a week’s supply of illegal substances and 96 cans of Special Brew.

    For pity’s sake, please contact the police to get me out of here as Mr. Halfwit is also grooming under 10s on the internet as well. Thankfully, with his personality disorders he’s been totally unsuccessful.

    PLEASE HELP ME…..HE’S A TOTAL CLINT

    • 774
      R.McGeddon says:

      With a CV like that, I’m surprised Gormless Gordon has n’t appointed Charles Halfwit to the Cabinet.

      • 816
        nell says:

        He couldn’t make a worse Defence Minister than the one we’ve currently got.!!!!

    • 776
      Sick of Politicians says:

      What, he’s grooming them to vote Labour? I don’t think even Mandelson would stoop to lowering the voting age to 10 – or would he?

      No, Labour are is a nightmare of their own creation, and the only way out is for them to call a general election so that they can be despatched to the opposition benches for a period in order to get their act together.

  163. 783

    Economists have been telling us that we’re in a situation where the normal rules don’t apply. There is a saying in Go that “Strange things happen at the one-two point”. Here, the normal heuristics of play break down and novices are often confused by this.

    How much of this situation is solved by intuition and paradox, and how much by calculation and planning is anyone’s guess. I’ve commented, only half-seriously, that Gordon Brown is a Tao master. Meanwhile, the Tories are still trying to calculate and position like they’re playing chess.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 784
      R.McGeddon says:

      Gordon a Tao master?? No, no he’s a master tosser.

    • 818
      nell says:

      “strange things happen” = gordon in no.10 is the strangest thing the staff there have ever seen.

      No other occupant of that historic place has treated the staff that run it with such rudeness nor thrown nokias, printers and laptops like an out of control child.

      Apparently the staff there hate him and can’t wait for next year when he leaves.

      I feel the same. Be gone gordon.

      By the way – I think that grasshopper is a pregnant locust just about to give birth – at least I hope so.

      • 830
        Engineer says:

        A plague of locusts would serve him right. A plague of frogs would be even better (he-haw, he-haw-he-haw.)

    • 839
      Budgie says:

      This is a CEH repeat. I don’t track his garbage but I did reply to his contention that Gordoom is a “Tao master”. Gordoom and the Tao are polar opposites.

    • 906
      barefootcontessa says:

      Ignore, ignore, ignore, ignore.

    • 921
      barefootcontessa says:

      Sorry got the wrong Charles!

  164. 787
    Charles_E_Harrdwidge says:

    I think I’ve lost my mind.

    • 789
      Engineer says:

      Try looking in the cardboard box with the grasshopper.

      (If we’re really lucky, folks, the grasshopper wil have eaten it.)

    • 797
      R.McGeddon says:

      Charles, I think we can safely say yes, you are a neuron short of a synapse, a few chips short of a Happy Meal, that the lights are on but nobody’s in.

  165. 792

    I remember being told by my mother about the formation of the NHS and how people were so pleased at being able to get treatment including things like free glasses and dentistry. By focusing on economic opportunity and helping folks get their due Labour can draw an immovable line on Tory arrogance and greed. There is no going backwards, only forwards: life, not death.

    By focusing on investment and job creation and retention people will be more likely to create a better and more agreeable outcome. British industry and society is a borderline basket case even after all the positive work Labour have done and falling back now is the last thing it needs. This is why being circumspect about tax freebies, and pressing forward with the Brown agenda and a forth Labour government is needed more than ever.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 795

      200g red lentils
      1 medium onion
      2 cloves garlic
      1 litre vegetable stock
      juice & rind of 1 lemon
      ½ teaspoon ground coriander seeds
      ½ teaspoon ground cumin
      ½ teaspoon black peppercorns
      2 tablespoons olive oil or vegetable oil

      Serves 4

    • 798
      A Churchgoer says:

      Be still, brass rubber.

      • 801
        lolol says:

        Charles ,Charley my old friut cake still trying to wind the ladies and gentlemen of this great blog up,your not winning my little chuckle buttie,your not helping in anyway your support for Liebour nor any other political group,anyway still got problems with my computer and you being a computer professional can you help me,by the way,I am back,so look after your self my little friut topping.

        • 805
          Engineer says:

          I think he’s doing the blog a favour. It’s a slow, wet Saturday. Can’t cut the lawn ‘cos it’s wet through, and the cricket’s rained off. Read the Telegraph (nothing very exciting) and done the chores. What else to do to lighten the mood? Answer – take the piss out of Charles.

          Wish he’d stop molesting that poor grasshopper, though.

        • 811
          Engineer says:

          I think he’s doing the blog a favour. It’s a slow, wet Saturday, can’t cut the lawn ‘cos ot’s wet through, the cricket’s rained off, done the chores, read the Telegraph (nothing exciting). What next? I know – take the piss out of Charlie Halfwit.

          Wish he’d leave that poor grasshopper alone, though.

    • 809
      PT Barnum (Ex-Labour Party Member) says:

      Free eye tests. Free dentristy for those on low incomes. Ah, I remember. Those things that NewNewNewLabour never actually reversed, but made MORE EXPENSIVE leaving the most economically vulnerable without basic healthcare in two key areas.

      Congratulations, Blairbrown. The only thing you’ve omitted so far is special shops for party members. Oh whoops, sorry, forgot the John Lewis list.

    • 822
      Grandma B says:

      Hang on. What happened to the free dentistry? I’ve just paid £360 for a crown. I suppose that’s a luxury item and I should just go or the dentures, but dentures cost too.

      • 825
        Engineer says:

        NHS – “Free at the point of delivery” – oh no it isn’t. Even a bog standard prescription costs you £8 nowadays.

      • 827
        wireless says:

        Corse its a luxury item, that’s cheap, settle for a tiara next time.

      • 841
        shelling-out says:

        I was just about to say that when I read your comment. Charles is obviously still living in the dartk ages.

    • 826
      nell says:

      “arrogance and greed” = the two grasping balls

      “focussing on investment” = Spend Spend Spend – whatever happened to that Pool’s winner who said that? Oh yes I remember – after a year she was bankrupt…………

      “Job creation” gordon style = 1000′s of non jobs in the public sector counting pram wheels and things.

      How are you getting on with that grasshopper turned locust that has just given birth to multiple babies, rather like our tax system??

  166. 799
    Susie2 says:

    Why do you respond to C H as though he’s a human being? It reminds me of the old psychology experiment when subjects were given counselling by ‘phone but in fact the ‘person’ at the other end was a programme that was primed to give appropriate responses. It fooled most people, as I recollect. Has Charlie ever responded directly to a question? If not ‘he’ is either a computer prog – or Gordon Brown!

    • 806
      Insomnia to coma says:

      A computer wouldn’t make so many spelling mistakes,unless its fucked of course.

    • 814
      R.McGeddon says:

      I genuinely believed that CEH was Neil Kinnock & Gormless Brown’s speech-writer, the man from whose pen poured forth such literal gems as ‘ No booms, no busts’, ‘Fiscal prudence & stability’, ‘It all started in America, ‘British jobs for British workers’, ‘Sleaze, it’s in Labour’s D-N-A’. The man who had helped to write Labour manifestos with their solid gold pledges therein promising us a Referendum on the EU Constitution.
      Now you’re telling us that Charles Halfwit may be just fiendish computer software designed by some totally demented refugee from a former Communist bloc country ??

    • 847
      Budgie says:

      I think you are right, though it is not an original comment because others have posted saying CEH is a Liebore computer program. You will notice that most comments actually do not take CEH seriously. CEH does tend to block up the blog, though.

    • 909
      barefootcontessa says:

      I don’t know why everybody (almost everybody) on this blog insists on allowing CH to dictate. Just ignore his comments. I never, never, read them.

      • 1160
        Budgie says:

        I will try to do as you say, honest. But I have this sneaking curiosity to see how far a raddled socialist mentality can wander in his disillusionment with ZaNu, fuelled by Tennants and dope.

  167. 819
    lolol says:

    Charles,Charley how can I be still grasshopper when I see one I stamp on them,my fruit tulip you,still got a problem on my pc and I need a computer professional like you to fix it,you still doing those graphics things,tried to lookup on that thing and guess what nothing came up,I wonder why ?,are you still a liar like your Libour brothers and sisters,you told us a month ago you were leaving this blog for good,so what happened did you get new orders from your bosses to carry on,I think we should be told my old fruit topped lemon cake.

  168. 820
    Engineer says:

    My advice is that you let go of the grasshopper.

  169. 824
    chronic says:

    I will write this reply in a language you may understand.
    1000110010010000001010100000001110010100010100001111001101010000001000100
    1111110000001101011111000100100001111101010101010100000101010100000100010

    11000001010
    01000001110
    1111110011?

    • 828
      Engineer says:

      Is the translation printable on a public website?

      • 835
        The Beast of Clerkenwell says:

        Charles
        I am sure that you are a nice guy, but maybe you should go out and find a nice girl (or boy) ?
        I have met some great people online, then in person .
        Not on dating sites, just blogs.
        Stop being such a tedious Hunt.
        Maybe you could get your own blog and bore people to death there?
        Beast

      • 856
        streamfisher says:

        The translation = 42, but to understand the answer you have to ask the right question I.E. Who many posts does Hardwidge manage a day?

  170. 831
    Trough Mixture says:

    There are some people whose existence angers the Gods. Charles is such a person. His recycled drivellings have disturbed and disappointed the ‘senior management’. As a punitive measure they have caused the cricket to be abandoned for the day. The blame rests squarely on the puny, underdeveloped shoulders of Charlene Ermintrude Hardhat. Fukkpygge in Chief to the First Mentalman.

    Bestial Shapeshifter.

  171. 834
    A.Topiarist says:

    Be still, branch chopper

    • 842
      lolol says:

      Charles,Charley ,your just like your beloved leader,you never read what other people have commented on,you just carry on shoveling the shit you type,you can’t believe what you write can you or can you,glad your just a bot as the health and safety should be informed.we wouldn’t want your typing finger joints to sieve up would we,nice to be back Charles,Charley my old fruit bot.

  172. 837
    Trough Mixture says:

    Billets Sharecropper.

  173. 838
    grobdj says:

    i.e. Gordon Brown is defined by prudence

  174. 844
    shelling-out says:

    Money might be a national thing to you, Charles, but it’s life and death for some of us. Without it we cannot survive in such an expensive country.

    You appear to be very well-off so you probably have no idea. ‘Nuff said, grasshopper.

  175. 845
    chronic says:

    How come you are not complying with the 48 hour work directive like the rest of the trolls?

  176. 846
    shelling-out says:

    Bilge, bilge, and yet more bilge.

  177. 848
    Kodak says:

    Be still, camera shutter

  178. 849
    nell says:

    Bob ‘aintbustingagut’ was gordon’s 4th choice for Defence Minister in his latest reshuffle.

    Apparently the other three didn’t want to be a part of gordon’s cabinet. Who can blame them?

    No wonder , with three refusals out of four for every cabinet post, that gordon had to create all those pseudo lord’s to find people to serve. Mr. Sugarland you should be so proud to be one of the few!!!

    Now bob’aintuptothejob’ is complaining that the criticism being levelled at him is prejudice against his working class roots!!

    But excuse me – I was born in a council house, brought up by my widowed mum and went to secondary school. We were taught not to drop our aitches and that achievement was everything. I worked through OU and got my degree. Working class prejudice = rubbish!!!

    What is it that Labour does not understand about the phrase ‘ You are Failures!!!’

    Bob, prezza, edblls, aljohnson winge about ‘ working class prejudice’ much as malik and uddin winge about ‘racial prejudice’ because they are being criticised for their inadequacies and use it to try and excuse their failures and incompetence.

    Truth is folks – it’s nothing to do with race or class – so stop trying to make excuses for yourselves – you are just useless failed troughing members of the human race, just like gordon.

    • 854
      Bob Ain'tworth-Atoss says:

      You’ll be victimising me ‘cos of my moustache next.

      • 858
        nell says:

        Actually sweetie your ‘tache is just fine.

        What bothers me about bob’aintbustingagut’ is his inability to see that men in the front line need –

        Guns that function in the climate they are working in.

        The best body armour available

        Properly armoured vehicles (not skodas),

        Properly armoured helicopters (preferably not russian tin cans, poorly maintained and previously used for smuggling)

        And enough medical personnel to look after them if they are injured.

        • 862
          grobdj says:

          nice one nell, you are I believe Guido’s answer to Joanna Lumley

        • 863
          Bob Ain'tworth-Atoss says:

          Er,er,um….We are best placed to protect the streets of Britain by keeping the Army in Afghanistan….that’s what it says here.

          It also says here that crime’s coming down, that we are best placed to ride out the economic downturn, that we are best placed to protect our citizens against Swine Flu and it says here to winge on about my asthma and Northern accent if anyone asks about policy issues.

        • 913
          barefootcontessa says:

          And in depth details of the injured soldiers.

      • 860
        Vote vote vote for Jacqui says:

        I know his hair is a syrup but is the moustache genuine?

        Charles,so very disappointed that the rope,poison,razor blade and shotgun
        didn’t work,so how about a little visit to Beachy Head.

    • 864
      streamfisher says:

      Wish I could get ‘victimised’, talk about reward for failure not to mention (but I will anyway) perjury and fraud and more recently a complete lack of interest as to what may happen to British citizens extradited to other Countries due to some cooked up love-in between Bush and Blair. Carry on Troughing!, You have never had it so good, But how long can it Last?

      • 917
        barefootcontessa says:

        Jack the Straw, our ‘great’ justice minister knows all about rendition, though he swears he doesn’t. He also knows all about extradition, though he says he doesn’t. Both ‘itions’ are to the benefit of America. We’re their servants, remember?!

  179. 851
    lolol says:

    But Charles,Charley you computer professional you,you have change track you mint tulip,why are you so nice to us all with this technical gumf your shoveling at us,bestil my beating heart I will stay all day on this blog taking in the thoughts of your Liebour controller.

  180. 852
    grobdj says:

    Unrecoverable Hardwidge Loop Error #20167 Charles_E_Hardwidge said a couple of weeks ago

    Charles_E_Hardwidge says:
    July 18, 2009 at 1:08 pm

    This is a bit off topic but when I was thinking about the new compact camera I’d bought the other day, I was wondering why its sensor, brain, and other stuff couldn’t be upgraded or swapped out.

    Yeah, I know a compact camera is a toy. I’m using it to get used to stuff before getting an SLR and camcorder but forced obsolescence niggles me. Another annoyance is bring in a new range with a few “must have” features and dropping functionality, so you’re forced to level up to the “premium” range.

    Anyway, I just discovered RED movie cameras. You can swap the guts in and out to tailor for the job or available finance. I think, that’s an interesting comment on growth versus development, and raises questions about British industry and markets.

    • 855
      shelling-out says:

      I don’t know how you survive, Charles, if all you have to think about is whether or not your camera is up to the job.

      Is that what you do with your brain cells? Swap them in and out to tailor for the job or available finance.

      The NHS works on a similar principle.

  181. 853
    nell says:

    I think it’s time Charlie(w*elan) for your UNITE members to ask the union if it’s right that you to keep using their sub’s to pay for this pointless auto posting on Guido’s site.

    Re that grasshopper / locust

    Eng – can’t we put it out of its misery somehow?

    • 861
      grobdj says:

      there must be a way, nell, but it would require Guido’s intervention I think

      maybe we should all start posting chapters of the Koran on the labour.org blogs, to fill their screens with gobbledegook

      • 870
        PT Barnum (Ex-Labour Party Member) says:

        I asked LabourList to stop sending their trolls here. They replied by calling me a troll. Except the three who agreed with me.

        I think posting chunks of Kinnock speeches on LabourList would serve a purpose. And I signed up as a member too ;-)

      • 912
        barefootcontessa says:

        But why do so many insist on replying to him?! It’s inane, and must leave him feeling very pleased that he is dominating this blog.

    • 886
      Engineer says:

      Can we not just allow the grasshopper it’s freedom? Or are you hungry, and determined to fire up the barbeque….one grasshopper will not make much of a meal, you know!

  182. 857
    cheech says:

    Call that a moustache.

  183. 859
    Bob Ainsworth shop steward first class says:

    Germans tell Yanks to go fuck themselves.

    Yanks fucked up. When shitheap General Motors went bankrupt best bit escaped, GM Europe, Adam Opel of Germany. Now the wankers realise they have a car company without an engineering base and want it back – otherwise they might have to go and do stuff like real work designing and engineering proper products which scares them shitless, because a) they can’t do it and b)it’s hard. Germans however, delighted and relieved to have finally escaped the financial shysters masquerading as an auto company have told them, ‘over our dead body’. Obama, his communist industry czars, Wall St, America’s Ponzi economy generally up in arms at not getting their way.

    If Yanks won’t sell GM Europe to Magna Germany should withdraw its troops from ISAF in Afghanistan and put US on notice to scale back Ramstein and other US bases on German soil.

  184. 866
    shelling-out says:

    The more you post, the more it is clear to me that you are living in a little world of your own. It’s not the world I live in.

    I have not made any mistakes, Charles. How many times do I have to tell you this before you listen? I was made redundant through no fault of my own. I was hardworking and loyal to my employers and they treated me very well.

    Yes – I do want to lash out. But not at my employers, who did everything they could to keep me on – but at this government who, have single-handedly destroyed our economy, jobs, and livelihoods. There is nothing you can say to me that will change my view either now, or ever.

    Got that, grasshopper?

    • 868
      Watcher in the Rye says:

      3/4 of the posts are Charles or his responders. Stops discussion on issues,Clogs up the machine.
      Is this his purpose?
      Or is Charles a Conservative device to increase Browns unpopularity?

  185. 867
    streamfisher says:

    The will to live? (I can dream can’t I).

  186. 869
    God says:

    It has come to my attention that a place called ‘Britain’, which I remember creating in a bit of a rush on POETS day, is fond of a lie or ten. What with WMD, 45 mins from nuclear, biological, chemical attack, various False Flags and now Man-made Global Warming I have gone out of my usual forgiving ways to condemn ‘Britain’ and all its inhabitants to eternal damnation. First I shall have jocks become sovereign. Then I shall, at the height of the Global Warming scam, send incessant rain and generally shitty weather to mock the lies of the jock supreme leaders and their gullible sheep followers. That is all till further notice – at least until Headingley.

  187. 871
    lolol says:

    Charles,Charley do you ever read what the other commentators write or are you just a bot my old strawberry flan.

  188. 875
    streamfisher says:

    But seriously folks, if Mr Hardwidge (and sons) want to rant on ad infinitum they really should get their own piece of the blogosphere, Guido is in danger of this site becoming the Hardwidge 24/7, you have been infected with a computer virus and its no longer funny (if it ever was) just incredibly tedious, so tedious in fact that I will take my small crumbs of input elsewhere. The grasshopper will hop to pastures new and the fisher will cast his line in a pure chalk stream, (sheer bloody poetry).

    • 880
      Mike Edwards says:

      The comment section of this website is a filthy cesspit. I for one think we should have more of Charles, who is turning this polluted sewer into a clear cool crystal stream with his wisdom.

      Well done Charles. Keep posting.

    • 888
      Mike Edwards says:

      I would just like to add that I think Guido should rename this site hardwidge-hardwidge.com in honour of the greatest prophet and political thinker of our time, Charles E. Hardwidge.

    • 959
      Doctor Mick says:

      Being a fisher of the fly myself I understand about moving to a new the beat when the fish are stale. Hardwidge has succeeding in making this blog about him and his trite posts. It stifles the real buzz that this place had.

      But surely it can’t be difficult to sort.

    • 976
      Art. 38 says:

      This is precisely the result intended by the repetitive, tedious and unwelcome trolling by Huntwidge. We need to persevere despite it.

      All should desist from posting replies to trolls. I understand GF doesn’t like it, but some kind of registration is required to minimize these pathetic troll attacks – some of which I suspect are a paid, but plausibly deniable, attack by Labour.

  189. 876
    Swiss Bob says:

    800 odd comments and Guido’s sat on the beach, I’m impressed.

    For those who haven’t heard or read Stanislav can I recommend Summer with Stanislav, A memoir and Dining out.

  190. 879
    Engineer says:

    800 odd comments? Some of them are quite sensible…

    • 895
      nell says:

      Eng – did you manage to free that grasshopper/locust ?

      • 901
        Engineer says:

        You’re determined to barbeque it, aren’t you!

        No, sadly, it seems that Hardwidge still has it in his evil clutches.

        • 915
          nell says:

          Rather than BBq’d I think it would taste good battered and deep fat fried.

          The batter should be equal parts milk, wholemeal four and chillie powder.

          And the finished dish, served on a bed of rocket and coriander,(all home grown of course), should be swilled down with a glass of cabernet sauvignon. Cheers!!

  191. 882
    lolol says:

    Charles,Charley my old apple pie ,can’t you change your scripts my old computer professional you,they do get a bit tedious even for me,there’s me waiting on your every pronouncement and you keep repeating yourself you flower of my hearts delight,sometime I think your just like Gabble on Politicalbetting thick hide and thick in the head.

  192. 891
    Lil Olmey says:

    The rack, you mean ?

  193. 892
    Lil Olmey says:

    Katy lied,
    Katy did,
    lies can kill
    Katy ex-
    katydid.

  194. 894
    nell says:

    Charlie(Wh) hiding in your darkened room at Unite HQ – TWatson your handler wants you to market his intellectual thoughts on ‘ Tweeting on Twitter’ to these lost cause right wing bloggers. It needs to read something like this:-

    ” Recommendation to Labour ministers – there should be a maximum of 10 tweets per day with a gap of 30 mins between tweets. D(r)owning St should spend 20 mins on its twitter stream with a minimum of 2/3 tweets per day and maximum of 5/6 in total. Alongside tweetable comments of ministers thoughts and reflections there should be some ‘thought leadership.’ ”

    The above is a real extract from a real Labour document that ‘tom’ our very own mint humbug on legs, had a hand in.

    I love the comment about ‘thought leadership’ – sinister or what!!!??

    • 896
      Gordon Brown says:

      I’ve come up with the British answer to the American ‘Twitter’. It’s called ‘Winker’. Thus, are you on Winker? how often do you Wink? People like myself who use Winker are often referred to as Wankers.

  195. 897

    Reading a comparison of Brown and Cameron’s view, I like the sound of Brown’s Apollo project style grandeur and his identifying mere detail stands between the various nations and a positive consensus. I’ve commented, before, that Brown has a similar personality to Steve Jobs and his acceptance of issues which led to the crisis and going for the burn is typical of this personality type.

    I agree with the Prime Minister that mere tax cuts for creating new jobs isn’t enough. The real key remains business vision and employment liquidity. People need to let go of being so rigid and picky, and entertain new ideas and lower thresholds to giving people a chance, take a hard, hard look at quality of products and services, and invest in employee and customer loyalty. Skill is useful but a better attitude is fundamental to embracing necessary change.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 899
      lolol says:

      Charles,Charley my old jam donut,you computer professional you,you bot,your scripts are really really poor,shouldn’t you shut yourself down for a few hours and try a reboot,still I will sit here and read your beloved pronouncements you pied piper you

      • 905
        Engineer says:

        The Labour party can’t afford to pay the overtime for a weekend troll, so they’ve got ‘the Hardwidge bot’ on a 45-minute repeating loop, probably all weekend. It might change on Monday…..or it might not.

        It’s that poor grasshopper I feel sorry for. Hardwidge has it captive, and now Nell is determined to barbeque it. Let it go, has it not suffered enough?

    • 902
      PT Barnum (Ex-Labour Party Member) says:

      Forget grasshoppers! What about the ants believed to have a “kamikaze attraction” to electricity who have been discovered in the National Trust garden at Hidcote Manor, in Gloucestershire. Their compulsion to follow electricity is stronger than their need for food or drink. Swarms of ants around electrical cables can cause blackouts and start fires.

      Now there’s a NewLabour beastie to be proud of.

    • 920
      nell says:

      “Apollo and going for the burn” = I like the sound of that as long as it is a rocket on a one way trip into space with gordon on board.

      “embracing necessary change” = gordon losing the next election

      Oh Dear!! You’ve found another grasshopper just after I’ve deep ‘chilli ‘fried your last one.

      Tssk! Now I shall have to find another recipe.

  196. 907
    Creased whirled hag says:

    Hapless Gerbil sport

  197. 908
    Lord Peter Mandelson says:

    Good news culturally-diversified, ethnic-melted, lobotomised British persons. I have returned today from Munich where I was informed that wholly thanks to my direct efforts on behalf of preserving British jobs for British workers a deal has been struck whereby British workers will lose all their British jobs in British factories within three years.

    Das Werk im belgischen Antwerpen würde schon im März kommenden Jahres, das Vauxhall-Werk in England 2013 dichtmachen.

    http://www.wiwo.de/unternehmer-maerkte/magna-opel-soll-2011-gewinn-machen-404640/

    Like me I know that you will be delighted that once again due to ‘he who has the money calls the shots’ common British livelihoods will be lost due to taxpayers money already having been spent on myself, my Westminster colleagues and the needy bankers (£1.224 trillion) in the deprived City of London.

  198. 916
    Engineer says:

    Has anybody heard anything from the global warming/climate change brigade lately? Gone quiet, haven’t they?

    We now know that the Met. Office ‘barbeque summer’ forecast turned out to be a bit boloney (unless you enjoy underwater barbeques, that is), and I haven’t heard a whisper of a hosepipe ban.

    It seems that the climate change/CO2 link doesn’t stand up to objective scientific scrutiny, and the climate is currently significantly cooler than it has been for most of geological history. These, and other interesting snippets from Ian Plimer’s book ‘Heaven and Earth, Global Warming: the Missing Science’ recently published (and recommended on this site by Anti-Citizen One – thanks AC1!).

    Anybody still falling for this panic?

    • 923
      cheech says:

      So many panics to choose from, terrorism, climate, flu, economy, immigration, unemployment, youth gangs, binge drinkers, I am in a panic wondering what to panic about.

    • 933
      Davey Jones's Lockup says:

      http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

      Overview of conditions

      On July 21, Arctic sea ice extent was 8.28 million square kilometers (3.20 million square miles). This is 617,000 square kilometers (238,000 square miles) more ice than for the same day in 2007. Ice extent on July 21, 2009 remained 8.06% higher than the same day in 2007..

    • 936
      grobdj says:

      Not me. The earth is warmed by the sun by day, and cools each night.

      At the surface, our oceans store and release massive amounts of thermal energy (some call this weather), constantly countering changes in air temerature.

      And because the bulk of the planet is covered by water, a global rise in air temperature will result in proportionally more low cloud cover. Low clouds reflect the sun’s rays back into space so reducing the sun’s heating effect. Thus global warming is negated.

      If this was not the case, life on earth would not have evolved beyond the amoeba

    • 965
      nell says:

      Nope. Climate has always changed for millions of years. And it always will.

      The hypothesis that humans can change climate is unsupported by evidence.

      Trouble is this govt has turned climate change into a media/political weapon to make us believe that we are responsible for drought/flood.

      Gordon has persuaded the Met Office and BBC Weather to peddle the view that Britain is sufferiing a drought in order to bolster his position at the forthcoming Copenhagen Conference.

      That view, of course, is being rubbished daily by our lovely increase in rainfall, which is doing wonders for my vegetable patch.

      Go Spin Gordon. We know you lie. We don’t listen any longer!!!!

    • 971
      Art. 38 says:

      They’ve all jetted off on their summer hols in the W Indies and SE Asia.

    • 1099
      The Hole in the Ozone Layer says:

      Global warming’s gone away
      But the taxes it spawned are here to stay
      The effect from cars has shown to be
      The same as pissing in the sea.
      So greasy Gordon may relax.
      Impose a seaside pissing tax.

  199. 919
    barefootcontessa says:

    Stop replying to CEH, he is dictating your comments.

  200. 924
    barefootcontessa says:

    Pity there aren’t many good men like Bobby Robson around. RIP.

  201. 925

    The Tories still lack the sort of business vision I’m looking for, and their members and wider constituents haven’t accepted that they share a responsibility and may need to give back to the broader business community and society. By that, I mean valuing the contribution of those lower down the chain in a meaningful way.

    So, again, I’m left calling for a better R&D focus and the wealthy middle-class who did well out of the incomes redistribution of the Thatcher years to give back some of what they took. That means better opportunity and fair pay, job enrichment and a little squealing as the wealthy find everyone else getting a free roll of the dice.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 926
      D T Suzuki says:

      Coltrane 4 Ginsberg 0

      could any man wish for more ??

    • 927
      GLF (Grasshopper Liberation Front) says:

      We’re gonna get you, Hardwidge. Checked under your car?

    • 930
      Davey Jones's Lockup says:

      for business owners, due to tax on taxed income 92% of earned income will go to the state, is that not enough you parasitic fuck.

      What do you do for a job Hardwidge?

    • 935
      fuck goes the weasel says:

      You’re a wanker and you know it, clap your hands,
      You’re a wanker and you know it, clap your hands,
      You’re a wanker and you know it,
      And you always love to show it,
      You’re a wanker and you know it, clap your hands,

  202. 929

    Dear barefootcontessa

    “Some of my best friends are Scots”.

    And that means what exactly?

    “and I care about them”.

    Do you have “friends” you don’t care about?

    “They don’t include you”.

    And I should care why?

    Finally; I can’t understand why you as some daft tart would think I would care about your opinion.

    Yours sincerely

    George Laird
    The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

    • 932
      PT Barnum (Ex-Labour Party Member) says:

      Have you crawled through the crack in the mod-wall again?

      Go away, you libellous monomaniac, and stoke your bloated ego elsewhere.

      • 980

        Dear PT Barnum

        I don’t crawl through anything; I walk through the front door.

        I also don’t libel anyone git because I don’t stay in England.

        What a backward inbred you are, it is called defamation in Scotland and I don’t do that either.

        Finally, what smells worse, your breath or your arse?

        Both produce shit with alarming regularity.

        You are dismissed!

        Yours sincerely

        George Laird
        The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

      • 1025
        thick as thieves says:

        the only tart round here is you george you silly old slag.
        and what’s the double spacing all about you titbox?
        you have fuck all worth saying so whether you double space or not makes no difference.
        you fucking moron.

        • 1102
          barefootcontessa says:

          Ta tat, to the rescue again! There is much more than a grain of truth in your comment.

    • 950
      Charlie's new owner says:

      see comment 950

    • 955
      Chris Gilmore says:

      The WankaWall is down again and the perverts are sneaking in with the humans,

  203. 934
    lolol says:

    Charles,Charley you dreamer bot you,you say then nicest things, are you sure your are a living person especially living in this world we do have a real world you know where people listen and talk to each other this is not a world that Liebour exist it’s a real world where some people have guns and knives and tend to use them,it’s a world where plod won’t go into the water to help save a life because of Elf and Safety, it’s a world where cameras follow our every step just for our safety,where the top plod live in an ACPO company making laws that suit them not us and charging for number plates of vehicles just for our safety , Charles,Charley my old mince pie top.

  204. 937

    Personally, I don’t believe this recession will be that long or deep but it would be longer and, certainly, deeper under the Tories. R&D and jobs are where it’s at and they have no answer to that beyond cut, cut, cut. Well, I ain’t living through that again. No, sir.

    I think, it’s going to take another 30 years of Labour before the Tories and their big business pals have truly reformed: the failed habit patterns and tribalism are just etched too deep. They’re damaged people and need that time to discover their humanity. Labour is the party that offers real help now. Enjoy.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 939
      GLF (Grasshopper Liberation Front) says:

      Your days are numbered. Release the hostage or you will pay.

      • 952
        nell says:

        Grasshopper Liberation Front –

        Mission statement ” to release grasshoppers and the peoples of england from the grasp of the terr8rists ‘mad mandy & gordon’ ”

        I’ll subscribe to that.

        • 968
          Engineer says:

          I’ll sign up too, as long as it doesn’t involve parting with money. Gordoom has already had most of mine in taxes and shrivelled investments.

        • 970
          GLF (Grasshopper Liberation Front) says:

          Freedom for grasshoppers.

          Death to Zen stillness.

          Grasshoppers of the world unite!

          Your liberation awaits.

          Hardwidge, you are top of our list.

    • 942
      saturnalia says:

      It’s the blogging graveyard shift, and the ghouls are out.

    • 943
      malice in blunderland says:

      Whistle while you work,
      Hardwank is a twerp,
      He’s half barmy,
      So’s his army,
      Hardwank is a twerp.

    • 948
      Charlie's new owner says:

      I used to rape guy’s like you in prison.

  205. 941
    Peter Bottomley says:

    If only Gordon Brown had the clarity of thought and the obvious strategic analysis capability that Mr Charles E Hardwidge patently has !!!

    But he don’t have !!!

    So we’re still all fooked !!!

  206. 945
    Arthur Brick says:

    If Bush Junior was a busted flush is Brown a …. twat?

  207. 946
    Reverend Fistwick says:

    Fisssssst

  208. 951

    Alex Salmond is very clever and persuasive but he sniffed his own gasses too much and imploded. People like this can look very strong and get a lot of attention but they’re a little too bright and brittle. As people slowly caught up and developed their own view the wax holding his political wings on melted and he crashed to the earth.

    “You can’t buck the market.”
    “What goes around comes around.”
    “This cannot be taught.”

    This is no time for an apprentice, “Dave”. Cuz, you’re next…

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 954
      lolol says:

      Sorry Charles,Charley me old friut pie,listening to 2009 proms,just music no lies,no crap just music.

    • 956
      nell says:

      Alex Salmond and his SNP pals are going to melt the wax on the wings of the scottish labour party??? This seems to be what you are saying, isn’t it??

      To use your words charlie(wh) of (unite) ” the wax holding gordon’s political wings is going to melt and he is going to crash to earth”

      I suspect that what you mean is that gordon is going to lose his constituency, in the next GE, to an SNP challenger.

      I think that would be good news.

      • 958
        lolol says:

        Nell,our Charles or Charley is just a computer Bot,let is run it’s course,we can get Guido to pass us the ip and mac addresses of this bot and we can find out who runs it,forget about replying to anything it produces,as it’s a waste of breath.

    • 961
      Ex Labour Party member - thrown out by NEC ... says:

      Charles

      You’re not an unintelligent man – your support for Brown is touching but it illustrates how poorly you really think Brown is performing

      If GB was performing any where near well there would be no need to say the things that you do

      As for New Labour itself – well I despair – you despair – we all despair

      Your words speak more loudly about yourself than either Brown or New Labour

      Please – be still

  209. 960

    Honestly, the level of discussion on this blog is like listening to a bunch of armchair footballers argue over whether the goal was open or not. It’s just talk and doesn’t mean a thing. Maybe it’s just me but I’d rather talk about the facts and see less macho posturing over whose political party has the bigger willy. Let’s face it guys: you’re just atmosphere.

    You’re doing a fine job of proving why the Tories can’t and won’t be allowed to win the next general election.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 964
      Anonymous says:

      Charles, Charles, Charles

      You could always take your considerable talents elsewhere to defend the rightious incumbents

      Zimbabwe would be a good start

    • 967
      Anonymous says:

      Charles E H – if that’s the case feel free to piss orf and offer New Labour the benefit of your talents – it clearly needs something!

      You will not be missed

    • 972
      GLF (Grasshopper Liberation Front) says:

      We are coming, Hardwidge. You will pay…and pay hard.

  210. 966
    Steve Expat says:

    Looks like Tory Peers are at it too…. Front page of tomorrow’s Times:

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6736141.ece

    Lord Taylor of Warwick claims £70k for home that does not exist

    A TORY peer received more than £70,000 in parliamentary expenses by making claims that were apparently based on a “non-existent” main home.

    Lord Taylor of Warwick claimed he lived with his sick mother in the Midlands until 2007, allowing him to claim overnight expenses while attending the House of Lords.

    However, inquiries by The Sunday Times have established that his mother’s home was sold in 2001 and she died in the same year

    Would the last honest politician to leave Westminster please turn out the lights….?

    • 975
      Engineer says:

      If true, this is a case for police investigation; no doubt he will claim that it was “an oversight, a simple clerical error”. Yeah, right.

      I visited Warwick earlier in the year; it’s a beautiful, bustling little town with very friendly and welcoming people, and it has a very impressive Castle, parts of which date from the 11th century. Warwick does not deserve to have it’s good name besmirched by this troughing hoon.

    • 977
      PC Plod of the Met says:

      We have investigated the matter thoroughly and at further great expense to the taxpayer. Though expenses were claimed Lord Warwick has a perfectly good reason why he could not stay at his designated residence; his mother was dead and the house had been sold. Therefore there is no case to answer.

    • 979
      Bringing up the Rear says:

      How much more evidence do people want,before they realise that that the whole crooked system needs fumigating. After the anger of the first month,most of the posters on here were quite happy to accept that the Conservatives were going to make the best alternative to the shower of shit that is New Labour. What’s really going to change with a Cameron Government?
      Steve. I know Tat gives you a ribbing,but he does talk a credible arguement for ditching the two and a half party consensus that we presently have. Mind you,he is funny,and i think he loves you really.

      • 989
        Steve Expat says:

        And, as tat and others can see, I’m just as pissed off whether it’s Labour or Tory politicians involved. The whole fucking Palace of Westminster stinks and is in desparate need of fumigation!

        This guy deserves nothing less than Uddin, at least she actually owned the place where she said she was living!! Another lamp post on Westminster Bridge is in need of some piano wire…

        tat is still a twat, as I believe Dave might say ;-)

        • 1004
          Bringing up the Rear says:

          This guy got caught. The only difference is that some of the cleverer guys made sure it was “all within the rules” . What really is the difference between Cameron,Hoon,Osborne and Darling? All wealthy people who had no qualms about claiming all that they could. After all,they didn’t come into politics not to get what they were owed. Public service? Lords,lobbyists,msm,banksters,city spivs,quangocrats. The whole lot is rotten to the core,and will remain so, until a parliament of unwhipped members of individual thoughts and actions, are free to use the judgement placed in them by an unwhipped electorate. That has been the the cornerstone of the British jury system. Judged by your peers,not party appointed peers.

        • 1016
          Steve Expat says:

          You’re completely right, the whole system is rotten and I for one am expecting a massive “fuck you” by the electorate to troughers from all parties come the election.

          I’m also expecting opposition parties of all colours to gang up on incumbents – for example where there is a Labour trougher in a marginal Lib/Lab seat, for the Tories not to stand and support the Libs to get the trougher out. There will also be a few high-profile independents in safe seats who could benefit from the same treatment.

          The Commons will certainly be a very different place in less than a year’s time, what a shame we can’t kick out the Lords in the same way…

        • 1021
          Bringing up the Rear says:

          No Steve! The Commons won’t be any different. Look at Norwich! The same old system is back in the driving seat. The only difference will be rearrangement of the numbers of Lib Lab Con.

        • 1028
          Steve Expat says:

          Well some good others had better stand then!

          Most voters I know will either vote for whoever gives them the best chance of a change of government, or whoever has the best chance of unseating a troughing incumbent, irrespective of who they are standing for – expect lots more of this come polling day, a Hung Parliament is still a reasonable possibility.

          I would, of course, prefer a Hanged Parliament ;-)

        • 1033
          Bringing up the Rear says:

          A “change” in parliament is not the precursor. That will only follow a “change” in the electorates unwillingness to continue under the present charade. And unfortunately,the evidence of Norwich is that 24000 voters,voted for no real change. Just the old story of swing from Lab to Con and back again. I’m sorry mate,but i’ve seen it all before,and it doesn’t fill me with optimism.

      • 1106
        barefootcontessa says:

        Daily Telegraph should have leaked the details of mp’s expenses on a weekly/monthly, rather than a daily basis. Mps would have been kept on their toes far longer, and news would have extended in to their obscenely long holidays.

    • 981
      nell says:

      Well done Steve. Another trougher is about to bite the dust I hope.

      I think this scandal means Dave is going to have to think seriously about how he’s going to re-order the House of Lords.

      And it better be soon after he gets elected – because they sure are corrupt!!!!

      • 985
        Bringing up the Rear says:

        The big change will be that rather than Labour troughers filling the green benches,it’ll be Tory troughers. Plus la change.

      • 1026
        Steve Expat says:

        nell, not well done to me, well done to Jonathan Calvert, Claire Newell and Solvej Krause of the Times for their scoop!

        Expect the Met to be knocking on his door by Monday…

    • 986
      Baronness Houdini says:

      What’s wrong with that ??

    • 987
      Mary says:

      Interesting how tame the responses are to this are. If he was a Labour lord you’d all be frothing at the mouth in rage and high-fiving each other.

      Hardwidge is right.

      • 1032
        thick as thieves says:

        bless you Mary for you have sinned.
        may the Good Lord forgive you your wicked ways.
        but I won’t.
        now fuck off you silly old cow.
        no refund.

        where the fuck do they get these new labour troll c’unts from?
        could someone please tell me?
        the great thick as thieves may be a genius but even he cannot figure that one out. is there a cripple factory somewhere where they farm and harvest cripples like Mary?
        never mind attacking the terror camps in pakistan I think we should start attacking and destroying the fucking new labour cripple farms in England to stop them producing any more fucking failures like mary and charles.
        if those two dropped dead tomorrow the world would be a better place.
        harsh but true.
        those they wish to help fucking despise them.
        and they desperately and for no discernable reason defend an untenable position.
        wankers.

      • 1034
        thick as thieves says:

        bless you Mary for you have sinned.
        may the Good Lord forgive you your wicked ways.
        but I won’t.
        now fuck off you silly old cow.
        no refund.

        where the fuck do they get these new labour troll c’unts from?
        could someone please tell me?
        the great thick as thieves may be a genius but even he cannot figure that one out. is there a cripple factory somewhere where they farm and harvest cripples like Mary?
        never mind attacking terror camps I think we should start attacking and destroying the fucking new labour cripple farms in England to stop them producing any more fucking failures like mary and charles.
        if those two dropped dead tomorrow the world would be a better place.
        harsh but true.
        those they wish to help fucking despise them.
        and they desperately and for no discernable reason defend an untenable position.
        wankers.

        • 1037
          Alice says:

          Steve’s disappeared and TaT’s Arrived. Curiouser and curiouser!

        • 1044
          Steve Expat says:

          Steve’s here, sitting quietly just happy that tat’s going for someone else tonight!

        • 1046
          Alice says:

          Now why would he walk past someone he knows well,and give him a blank?

        • 1072
          thick as thieves says:

          I am not blanking steve, alice.
          I am helping steve to withdraw from crackcocaine.
          right now I am the best friend that dirty old tramp has.
          to motivate steve and to help accelerate his withdrawal from heroin and crack I have decided that I will not engage in conversation with him until he has stopped using.
          oh, and alice, mind your own fucking business in future, eh?
          you nosey fucking bastard.

        • 1095
          Steve Expat says:

          I reckon that’s as close to a compliment as I’m going to get from him!!

        • 1115
          nell says:

          This is all very laudable tat, but what about Engineers addiction to internet porn?

        • 1163
          thick as thieves says:

          I think the best way forward nell would be for engineer to go cold turkey.
          if he does not resist the urge to overuse photo and video stimuli then one day soon he will come running and crying to us when his todger comes clean off in his hand during a particularly savage porn fuelled all night tugging session.
          angineer must be denied access to any pornography, there is no other way nell. we will have to go to his bedsit and remove the engineeer’s entire pornography stash.
          we may need to hire a large van.
          and as you are a married lady it would be quite inappropriate for the porn stash to be kept at your house so I suppose I will be forced to be the custodian of engineers collection for the time being.
          that will be all.

  211. 973
    Art. 38 says:

    New poll shows massive lead for Conservatives in marginals:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/conservative/5957002/Conservatives-24-points-ahead-in-marginal-constituencies-poll-shows.html

    Take that and shove it somewhere the sun don’t shine Labour trolls. Ha ha ha.

  212. 974

    The right wing have fallen for the “dumb and chummy” approach with their Real Ingerlander (TM) and “hard working families” pitch but it’s just a hijack and people are beginning to see through it. I see a lot of comment like that off people who typically want to do an end run of reason and consensus.

    Understanding and society are essentially open processes, and the slow squeeze approach of Labour is beginning to get traction as the need to develop a national plan arises and the people begin to see through the Tories. It’s only now that business and society is beginning to develop “self-enlightenment” that real change can unfold.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 982
      Tommy Cockles says:

      Quantity over quality.
      It’s what made Arthur Askey a star!

    • 983
      grobdj says:

      Grasshopper is still. He is dead. He ended his days in a Bangkok hotel cupboard with a shoelace around his privates.

      • 1006
        GLF (Grasshopper Liberation Front) says:

        The death of every grasshopper will be avenged.

        Our vengeance will be writ large in the blood of Hardwidge.

        We are coming.

    • 984
      Charles E. Halfwit says:

      Be still, fartdropper.

    • 988
      nell says:

      Charlie(wh) you have posted this comment aT least twice on here.

      UNITE should be asking what you think you are doing using their IT expertise and equipment and charging them for your time when you are posting on here.

      TWatson and pals (which includes you) need to be asking themselves whether this insurgency strategy to take over Guido’s blog is working. I

      Is it?

      • 990
        Alistair Campbell says:

        “A lie told often enough becomes truth” Vladimir Lenin.

        • 1000
          Vladimir Lenin says:

          I am not dead

        • 1125
          nell says:

          A lie you say.
          Do you mean like ‘wmd and 45 minutes’?

          or ‘it was just a bad joke that damian and I were knocking about – we had no intention of setting up a real site called redrag’?

          or ALJohnson our self-confessed hack of a Home Office Minister saying ‘ he doesn’t have the power to halt Gary McKinnon’s extradition?

    • 993
      Grasshopper says:

      Job done. I’ve lost the will to live.

    • 1012
      Innocent III says:

      C’unt off, Hunty.

    • 1043
      Charles on E Hardwidge says:

      The Labour Party has fallen for Brown’s “dumb and chummy” approach with their anti-Englander (TM) and “anti-hard working families” pitch but it’s just a hijack and the party are beginning to see through it. I see a lot of comment like that off people who want to see and bring about the end of Brown.

      I don’t Understand society and essentially I open legs, and slowly squeeze my butt plug. The approach of Labour has zero traction and as the truly desperate need to develop a national plan arises the people are beginning to see through the New Labour Party and everyone in the party can now see what a total fucking liability Brown is. It’s only now that the Labour MPs are experiencing “self-enlightenment” they understand for sure that Brown is a vote loser and that means real change can unfold.

      bsg

  213. 991
    Anonymous says:

    If anyone is interested, this may be a personal e-mail address for Hardwidge (not a joke):

    thetwerp@btinternet.com

  214. 992
    Anonymous says:

    If anyone is interested, this may be an e-mail address for Hardwidge (not a joke):

    thetwerp(at)btinternet.com

  215. 994

    It’s true the Tories started a stealth grassroots campaign under William Hague, but most of what I see in here can be explained by trolling and inexperience. The British tend to go a bit nuts when they get a dash of power or booze inside them, and the internet and anonymity gives them both. Cameron’s bullying in PMQ’s set a lead and the wannabes followed.

    I recall a recent topic in a private newsgroup where people went nuts over the national id system and the security of its data. I put forward a few facts any competent systems developer should know and the steam pretty much evaporated. In fact, one guy said I was right and admitted he was in it for the crack. I can’t understand that mentality but it seems to be commonplace among the Tories.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 996
      Charles E. Halfwit says:

      Be still, crass twatter.

    • 998
      Alistair Campbell says:

      “A lie told often enough becomes truth” Vladimir Lenin.

      • 1005
        Vladimir Lenin says:

        Like I said: I am not dead I am not dead I am not dead I am not dead I am not dead

        • 1022
          Alistair Campbell says:

          Well, Vlad, you’re obviously not dead if you’re on here telling us you’re not dead.

    • 1045
      Charles on E Hardwidge says:

      It’s true the The New Labour War and Tax Party has started a stealth grassroots campaign under Charlie Whelan, but most of what I see in here can be explained by trolling and inexperience. The New Labour Torture Party went a bit nuts when they got a dash of power or booze inside them, and the internet and anonymity gives them both. Gordon Brown’s infantile bullying nature set a lead and the wannabes followed.

      I recall a recent topic in a private newsgroup where Brown went nuts over the national id system and the security of its data. Everyone told Brown that if he pushed ahead with the ID card then Labour would definitely lose the next election.
      Brown told everyone they didn’t know what they were talking about. He said only he knew the answers to every question in the world, no one else did only him.
      That is when we decided to have Gordon Brown sectioned. I put forward a few facts about being sectioned because I had been put in loony bins on several occasions. In fact, one guy said I was right and admitted he was in an asylum once for taking crack. I can understand that mentality because I am a crackhead c’unt but it also seems to be commonplace among the Tories.

      Be still, grasshopper. just give me the crack pipe NOW MOTHERFUCKER!

  216. 999
    Steve Expat says:

    Yet another Sunday Times scoop, looks like GMG are losing £1.5M a week!! Obviously not enough non-jobs left to advertise, don’t we all feel so sorry for them??

    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article6736037.ece

    Guardian Media Group plots closure of Observer newspaper
    The Guardian Media Group (GMG) is considering closing The Observer, the world’s oldest Sunday newspaper, as part of a cost-cutting drive triggered by a drastic plunge in the group’s finances.

    Members of the Scott Trust, the charitable foundation that owns GMG, discussed the plan on July 6. They were shown trial copies of an Observer-branded news magazine that would replace the paper and be published on a Thursday.

    The plans reflect the financial pain at GMG, which last week reported a sharp slump in trading. It revealed a pre-tax loss of £89.8m

    If they’re losing that much now, it may help to explain their aggressive hostility to the “Public service decimating” Tories in recent weeks…

  217. 1007

    I’ve been concerned about Cameron and Osborne’s bullishness, opacity and inexperience for a long time. My general view is the the Tories stock is overvalued, and they need to go beyond mere branding and polls to fix themselves so they’re fit for any role in governance. As the nasty party coughs up its subconscious and the Liberals reassert themselves as the unofficial opposition, I suspect, their headline prospects will reflect that soon enough.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 1010
      Steve Expat says:

      Charles, you may be on to something there – don’t be surprised at all to see the Liberals emerge as the Official Opposition following the next election…

    • 1013
      Alistair Campbell says:

      As I’ve always maintained,

      “A lie told often enough becomes truth” Vladimir Lenin.

    • 1050
      Charles on E Hardwidge says:

      I’ve been concerned about Cameron and Osborne’s penises for a long time.
      My general view is the the Tories cock is overvalued, and they need to go beyond mere wanking and analising to fix themselves so they’re fit for any hole. As the nasty New Labour party coughs up blood and the Liberals reassert themselves as the official arseholes, I am a suspect in a rape case, the headlines will reflect that soon enough.

      Be still, grasshopper.

  218. 1008
    Steve Expat says:

    Not sure why but got modded for this before.

    Another Sunday Times scoop reckons that the Grauniad’s parent company lost £89.8m last year, is considering closing the Observer title…

    http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article6736037.ece

    So they’re losing a million and a half a week, even with all the non-job ads – and we wonder why they were desparately trying to smear the Tories the other not so long ago…?

  219. 1009
    Charles Hardwidget's Nurse says:

    Five times this evening. “Spray” everywhere. He can’t keep his hand off it. Dosing his nightcap with bromide, to see if that quietens him down.

    • 1011
      GLF (Grasshopper Liberation Front) says:

      Cyanide or strychnine are more effective.

      Or a blunt object.

  220. 1014
    Charles E Hardwidge says:

    Wrote this about myself

    Rather good I think

    Under the speading chestnut tree
    the village idiot sat,
    amusing himself by abusing himself
    and watching it drip in his hat.

  221. 1018
    Charles E. Halfwit's Probation Officer says:

    Just called in at Charles’ ‘den’ to try and stop him watching Andy Pandy on the BBC iPlayer again, only to find him slumped over his keyboard, forehead jammed on the ‘Send’ button, a pair of tweezers in his right hand where he’s been pleasuring himself and an inflatable doll in his left hand.
    I think he’s gone for his own world record tonight, he’s chug-a-lugged 25 cans of Special Brew and only chucked up twice over a cardboard box wherein lies a half-starved grasshopper which is making strenuous efforts to get out.
    I suspect that Charles has programmed his PC to continuously broadcast unintelligible dross on http://www.order-order.com throughout the night and I apologise to all those who care to read these rantings.
    One crumb of comfort though…he’s due for another nervous breakdown soon and a short spell in the strait jacket.

    • 1024
      Jack "The Hat" Straw says:

      Yes. But under the British justice system,that will probably mean early release for Speedy shites. There are a limited number of detention spaces,and rather than bang up more crims,its better if we offer a rotating policy of imprisonment.

  222. 1019
    HARDWIDGE NOW SET ON "IGNORE" says:

    IGNORING HARDWIDGE.

    Shit! If only I had realised it was THAT easy!

  223. 1020
    HARDWIDGE NOW SET ON "IGNORE" says:

    NOW IGNORING HARDWIDGE.

    Shit! If only I had realised how easy this was!

    • 1029
      Anonymous says:

      Are you putting every fibre of your being into ignoring Hardwidge?
      Come on now. Concentrate!

  224. 1023
    Anonymous says:

    It looks like Hardwidge got banned from LabourList in June. Some may recall that he used to link there in his comment header, but now uses the main Labour site.

    In a post on LabourList he refers to a using e-mails from his hardwidge.org.uk domain. This site is now expired, but e-mails there could work.

    Charles@; admin@; webmaster@ might prove fertile…

    • 1042
      caesars wife says:

      things must be bad if hardwidge got banned from labour list , troll with his abilites is just what they need err hold on a minute

  225. 1027

    Recession? Best thing that could’ve happened, actually. It gives Labour an excuse to turbocharge economic reform, get people focused on the important issues, and deliver the lasting change Britain needs to get over itself. w00t! w00t! w00t!

    Man, I’m LOVIN’ this recession! Bring it on. O_O

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 1030
      lolol says:

      Charles,Charley your a very sick person and I hope no pray you get sacked from your job and have to have to go on the dole,I hope somebody is reading this that was thinking of voting liebour and changes thir mind,no I hope a newpaper picks this up and splashes it over it’s pages showing what a Liebour activist thinks of us.

      You need to go and see somebody you are sick and need help soonest.

      • 1035
        Mr Crabtree says:

        Charles has hooked another tiddler!

        • 1040
          lolol says:

          Mr Crabtree,please notice what I picked up on,

          Man, I’m LOVIN’ this recession! Bring it on. O_O.

          That’s what the newspapers will pickup on not the rest of the rubbish,a Liebour activist putting it in words, keep going Charles ,Charley, hole is getting deeper.

        • 1052
          ? says:

          lolol says:
          August 1, 2009 at 9:36 pm
          Nell,our Charles or Charley is just a computer Bot,let is run it’s course,we can get Guido to pass us the ip and mac addresses of this bot and we can find out who runs it,forget about replying to anything it produces,as it’s a waste of breath.

    • 1054
      Charle on E Hardwidge says:

      Recession? Best thing that could’ve happened, actually.

      Man, I’m LOVIN’ this recession! Bring it on. O_O

      Be still, grasshopper.

  226. 1036

    At the heart of Britain’s knowledge economy is its manufacturing base. High-value, highly skilled and internationally successful businesses that have worked hard to secure a lead in hi-tech global supply chains.

    Labour’s practical package of measures will help equip British manufacturers, of all sizes and sectors, to take advantage of the advanced technologies and new market opportunities now shaping our low carbon industrial future. It’s about giving them the support they need to create jobs in Britain and export the best of British manufacturing design, technology, skills and innovation around the world.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 1041
      lolol says:

      Charles,Charley if Liebour picked up any new jobs,the first thing that would kill it is taxing it to death.

      • 1048
        Mr Crabtree says:

        Back for another nibble?

        • 1051
          lolol says:

          Not really fixed a laptop,been out to the soon closing boozer,nothing on tv,just a boring evening so I thought why not,Charles ,Charley doesn’t seem to have a life apart from this blog etc etc.

        • 1053
          Mr Crabtree says:

          Charlie boy may be a troll but his posts make sense… I have to confess, I’m probably going to vote Labour. I don’t want those troughing Tory hoons getting in again.

        • 1055
          Bottle of wine,reefer and looking for a laugh says:

          Yes, but like most MP’s, he’s on the gravy train, living out his dream.

        • 1058
          Mr Crabtrees Mini Me says:

          Good tactic! Puts doubt into everyones mind!

    • 1057
      thick as thieves says:

      hold on a minute you c’unt……. let’s see…hmmm….you are a complete wanker, you are an american, you have got loads of free time on your hands and you say ‘bring it on!’……..surely not…..could it be? yes it is, you fuck: you are george ‘the war criminal’ bush and I claim my five pounds.
      no dodgy dollars or euros motherfucker payment in sterling only.

      • 1059
        lolol says:

        So Mr Crabtree, Charles definatly hooked a tiddler,the tiddler being you !.

        • 1060
          Mr Crabtree says:

          Mr Crabtree has never taken Thick as Thieves on a fishing expedition. However,the aforesaid Mr Thick appears to have lured you with a spinner!

        • 1061
          lolol says:

          Mr Crabtree,mr Tat is one of this blogs tamer trolls but tries to act as a hard man but in reality is a little bunny who like his fur stroked now and again,I was going on about your highly entertaining friend mr Hardacre or what ever his name is ,I did notice the shift change a few hours ago.

        • 1064
          Mr Crabtree says:

          As you said earlier, Mr Hardwidge is about as plausible as labours growth projections.
          Thick as Thieves is funny as fuck,and one of the saner voices here. Who knows who he is.He may well have alter egos. Only Mr Fawkes knows the truth. But the fact remains that he champions a clear out of the old way,and i for one back him. This site sometimes resembles a tory lovefest, which is fine for tory supporters,but i want a real change,not more of the old buggins turn which is what we have had for as long as i can remember.

        • 1066
          lolol says:

          Mr Crabtree,you may be right,you may be wrong,you have your own idea’s and there are lots of voters who’s mind will never be changed aka my dad voted that way etc but there’s a lot of other voters who will buy anything they are told if it’s in print or on the tv,I would love to see lots of changes first one would be to have all the mp’s/lords whatever persuation up in court for fiddling the public purse,followed by mr God the messiah Bliar and Brown in court in the Hague but you know and I know this will never happen,so I just carry on never getting bothered or het up and like everyone maybe or maybe not my wishes may or may not be granted.

        • 1068
          Mr Crabtree says:

          Unfortunately our wishes won’t be granted! We’re stuck in the machine. Age lends cynisism, and Britain just lurches on through apathy and tribalism.
          Still,enough of the doom and gloom,have you given any thought to who some of the regular posters here are? There’s a good book to be set as to the identities of certain characters. Sherlock Holmes would have a field day!

        • 1074
          lolol says:

          I’m slowly coming round to Charlie’s way of thinking. Sure, Labour aren’t perfect but they’ve done a great job of rebuilding Britain after the lean Tory years it has to be said, and Brown’s way ahead of Cameron when it comes to the economy.

          Labour have earned my vote.

        • 1097
          GET RID OF SAD BASTARDS says:

          Dear LALA ! I Hope You Enjoyed Your Holiday On The Planet ZOD ! Welcome Back To Earth But It Dose Appear You Are Suffering From Saucer Lag Please Get Some Medication For Said Ailment

        • 1121
          barefootcontessa says:

          Lolol, , I notice from your comments above, that despite your supposed cynicism, you are still in the grip of tribalism in politics, and feel you have to vote for either newlabour, or tory. The present government by the way is not labour, it’s newlabour. The past tory years were in truth lean for some, and damage was inflicted, but newlabour have in no way ameliorated the situation, they have compounded the situation. The financial situation is far worse now than it was when the tory party left office. Other issues re the illegal war v Iraq and other serious scandals committed by newlabour make me feel I would never, never, never vote newlabour.

  227. 1038
    caesars wife says:

    Oh dear somthing is worrying the labour ferts !

  228. 1047

    You can’t buck the market and it’s clear that Cameron’s stock value has been pumped too high. He tried to pull a Hannibal but got stopped at the gates of Rome, and we know how that story ended. While he’s been playing Flash Harry to get in the door his product wasn’t squaddie proof, so the Tories are having to go back to the drawing board. That may take a while.

    He doesn’t have any insight or stamina. That’s pretty much crucified him at a time when people need to be looking ahead of the curve in a tough situation. Being ‘hard’ isn’t everything. A little dose of patience and humanity would do him and his party some good.

    “Things can only get buddah”…

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 1049
      Grasshopper says:

      For fucks sake! Stop poking me with that stick!
      I’m trying to get some shuteye here.

    • 1079
      Charles on E Hardwidge says:

      You can’t buck the market and it’s clear that Gordon Brown’s stock value has been pumped too high. He tried to pull a Hannibal but got stopped at the gates of Rome, and we know how that story ended. While he’s been playing Flash Harry to get in the door his product wasn’t squaddie proof, so New Labour are having to go back to the drawing board. That may take a while.

      Brown doesn’t have any insight and he gets his stamina from amphetamine injections. That’s pretty much crucified him at a time when people need to be looking ahead of the curve in a tough situation because he keeps suffering from amphtamine psychosis and he throws things and acts violently towards people. Being ‘hard’ isn’t everything. A little dose of patience and humanity would do him and his party some good. If only he could go easy on the amphetamines everything would be okay but when I spoke to him about his dependency on speed he told me that he needed it and couldn’t cope without it.

      “Things can only get shitter with Brown”…

      Be still, grasshopper. Please resign Gordon for the good of the party.

  229. 1062
    Anonymous says:

    What goes on inside the weird paedo mind of Huntwidge:
    http://www.break.com/index/hippie-weirdo-yoga-farmer.html

  230. 1065

    My general view remains that developing a more positive business vision, developing staff loyalty, and taking a longer-term issue to finance is key to both getting through this difficulty and fixing Britain’s broken economic fundamentals. Issues such as management listening to their staff and allowing them to perform, and retaining staff and having fair employment conditions, and a little more shared reality on finance will help cherry pick the best practices of top American and Japanese business practice instead of the backwards approach that’s the default today. The pay-off is an industrial powerhouse instead of sliding of the edge of the continental shelf with shame.

    I remain convinced that Labour are more clearly than ever the best placed party for government as mere cost cutting and sacking workers is a recipe for disaster. The last time that was tried it stripped the fat off Britain and bit deeply into the muscle. Now that we’ve only just recovered this far more Thatcherism will be have us gnawing on the bone. Well, no. That’s just depressing and recessionary. Really, the best thing the Tories can do is accept the need for consensus and regain some stature by helping persuade the CBI to get on board the government’s plan and continue rehabilitating their own party so it’s relevant in a changed world.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 1067
      The Overseer says:

      Ok Chas. You can switch the machine off for tonight. You appear to have bludgeoned them all to death. Get a few hours kip,and then back on shift at 9:00 am sharp.

    • 1077
      Charles on E Hardwidge says:

      My general business vision is non existent, I am no good at developing staff loyalty, and I think Gordon Brown has broken Britain’s economic fundamentals. Issues such as mismanagement, not listening to the private work sector and allowing the public sector to underperform are now all coming back to haunt Brown. He has also allowed the public sector to retain unecessary numbers of staff and to having better employment conditions than the private sector who are paying more money for less services from government year on year.
      What we need is a lot more shared reality on finance from New Labour.
      But that won’t happen because of the backwards approach that’s the default position of Brown’s government today.
      I remain convinced that Labour are more clearly than ever the worst placed party for government as they have been closing our post offices and making it difficult for old people to collect their pensions, especially during the winter months. Closing post offices was a recipe for disaster. The New Labour War and Tax party has stripped the fat off Britain and bit deeply into the muscle. We will now have to recover from this Brownism nonsense voodoo economics after just having recovered from Thatcherism; why don’t these fucking c’unts just fuck off and give us a break for a few years every so often, eh? These fucking wankers will have us gnawing on the bone. Gordon Brown is just depressing and recessionary. Really, the best thing that Brown can do is accept the need for consensus against him,regain some stature and just fuck off.

      Be still grasshopper, fuck off Brown.

  231. 1070
    Sick of Politicians says:

    Harm-men’s gone and flipped her lid this time – she’s effectively ruled herself out of contention for the leadership this Autumn when Mandelson stabs Brown in the back.

    Honestly, Labour are tearng themselves apart already. They aren’t fit to run their own organisation, let alone the country. They must recognise that they are the problem, to the solution. It is time for Labour’s amateurs to step aside and make way for other parties to fix the problems they have created.

  232. 1071
    Sick of Politicians says:

    Labour have done their best, but it isn’t good enough. They are burdening this country with their incompetence, and the public can see this.

    The Lib Dems and the Tories present the country with fresh thinking and solutions to problems, not the tired old class politics we hear from an exhausted Labour party. It is time to sweep Brown, Mandelson and Harman away. Their time is up, and they must make way for parties who have no desire to re-fight the battles of the past. A new politics will emerge, and Labour will be cast aside.

  233. 1073

    Open minds create new ideas. Open hearts get along with each other. That’s a win-win situation and free money on the table. It comes with no guarantees and even if it didn’t work folks wouldn’t be so stressed they’re chewing the arms off their chairs.

    Okay, so you’re sceptical. That’s fine – you could always sing a company song instead. Gordon Brown takes care of all his little angels.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 1078
      thick as thieves says:

      are you on acid you c’unt?

      • 1089
        Hardfrigger's Therapist says:

        No, it’s the massive cocktail of drugs he has to take so that the voices in his head subside a little….it doesn’t stop the wanking though.

  234. 1075
    The big D says:

    CEH is the result of Guido taking out two of socialist slavery Labour party’s prime spinners.

    The first attack on this blog was Draper’s ill fated attempt at claiming the Friday caption competition was racist. The result of that “operation” and the resulting fallout prompted a top level spinners conference to devise plan B; deliberate lies.

    This was such a good idea that it could be used against anyone. Bloggers, opposition politicians, labour party members were all suitable for plan B. The failure of this plan and the collateral damage to McBride and Draper has moved them to the background. They became the news instead of managing the news and are still active but not as effective.

    Another re-think has produced plan C. Wait until Guido is on holiday, (learned from the downfall of McBride) and then use a PC running a script to continually post drivel on this blog. Using a repeated but anonymous id in an attempt to persuade commentators a real being is involved. Make the content imbecilic enough so that a lot of people will reply and then get frustrated with the blog and leave.

    We are lumbered with CEH until Guido returns from France. Because it is a machine, CEH is useful for target practice but little else. We should regard it in the same way WW II Britain did with William Joyce; utter comtempt.

    The people who set up and used CEH should suffer the same fate as Joyce.

    Lord Haw Haw was charged with ….traitorously supporting Britain’s enemies by broadcasting propaganda. Notice any similarities here?

    Capital punishment has been banned but the case for treason still exists.

  235. 1076
    Sick of Politicians says:

    Gordon Brown has failed the country, as have Labour. The country is turning away from the old failed policies of Mandelson’s mob, and looking towards the future. Labour are the party of the past, and people can see this. All that is left for Labour is to decide who loses the election – is it Gordon, or will they replace him with another whipping-boy?

    Labour can bounce back after the next election, but they need time in opposition to reflect on their mistakes.

  236. 1080

    People say they want change but when they’re tested they fall back on the old and stale habit patterns they’ve been railing against. The Tory ideologues and vested interests don’t realise how their rigid and truculent attitude is a brake on change. They demand a revolution but can’t see how it would fail because they themselves haven’t grasped change within themselves.

    As Labour gain momentum and begin to resonate more with the electorate this will translate into positive gains and the Tories will look increasingly like a busted flush.

    Be still, grasshopper.

    • 1082
      Cassandra King says:

      So newabour is “gaining momentum” is it? where are they gaining this momentum then, in fantasy island?

      A recent poll put the Tories TWENTY FOUR PERCENT higher than newlabour, all polls put the Tories on a double digit lead and newlabour support is collapsing and melting away than a snowball in hell, but hey there comrade dont let actual reality intrude on your fucking fantasy island self delusion eh?

      You carp on about the tao as if you have any comprehension of what it means, self delusion and self deceit, pride and ego are all sins and you show them all clearly.

      Keep deceiving yourself comrade, keep telling yourself about McHitlers secret vengeance weapons and how he will drive back the Tories from the bunker at the last moment and in the nick of time, keep dreaming like he does of his fantasy divisions of loyal voters who will suddenly appear at the vote to sweep the fuhrer back into power.

      Self selusion, the art of lying to oneself in order to block out an unwelcome reality and truth, you can lie to yourself comrade but the rest of us have seen the light.

    • 1083
      Charlie's new owner says:

      Fuckinhell!you actually sit up all night writing this shit to yourself.

    • 1109
      fuck goes the weasel says:

      Your knob is green and floppy.

  237. 1081
    Sick of Politicians says:

    As Labour sink into the abyss of despair and Mandelson plays with their supporters’ feelings, other political parties will replace them. The present government will move aside as their betters come through. The electorate have already decided that Labour are history, and the UK’s brighter future is to be found elsewhere. When Mandelson is gone, the future will be very bright. The UK electorate see this, and that is why Labour look finished, if only temporarily. They can rebuild 5 or 10 years from now.

  238. 1084
    Captain Brown says:

    abandon this blog and leave Hardwidge and Guido to it

  239. 1085
    Charles E Hardwidge says:

    Top of the morning

    This young salesman was on his first day at the Range.
    “Right, said the Manager. “Watch me. When you sell a customer an item, you should always sell them something else, like an accessory.”
    The first customer arrives. “Hello, sir, how can I help you?”
    “I’d like a packet of grass seed please.”
    “Right sir,” said the Manager, passing the packet. “Would you like a lawn mower to go with that?”
    The customer looked confused. “Why would I want a lawn mower?”
    “Well,” continued the manager. “They are cheap at the moment due to the recession. In six months time the recession will have passed and they will be twice the price. I’m saving you money here, sir.”
    “Good point,” said the customer. “OK I’ll have a lawn mower.” The customer pays for the goods and leaves.
    “There,” said the Manager to the Salesman. “Did you see that? Now it’s your turn.”

    The second customer comes in and the young salesman looks nervously at him. “Hello sir, how can I help you.”
    “I need a box of Tampax, please.”
    “Right sir,” said the salesman, passing the box over. “Would you like a lawn mower with that?”

    “A LAWN MOWER?” asked the customer, confused and perplexed. “Why on earth would I want a LAWN MOWER?”
    “Well,” said the salesman, “You’re not going to get your leg over this weekend, you may as well cut the fucking grass!”

  240. 1086
    country bumpkin says:

    Made oi larf, thaat did.

  241. 1087
    freddie flintoff says:

    eh up lads nice to see charles still hasnt got a girl/ boy friend maybe we should have a whip round and get a ” lady of the cheap kind ” to show him how its done , i will start of with £ 20

  242. 1088
    Hardfrigger's Therapist says:

    Morning Charles. Now don’t forget, it’s pottery class today! That’s if you can make it after closing your front door, then going back 50 times to check and re-check that you’ve locked it. And making sure that you’ve got matching shoes on.

    As it’s sunday you’ll be having your usual 4 fishfingers, laid out in exactly the pattern you like them, (side by side 1 centimetre apart) with 125 peas and exactly two and a half scoops of mash.

    Don’t forget that we need to work on those voices you’ve been hearing, too. And your strange belief in New Labour. That is the most worrying development of all and may require prolongued straight-jacketing.

  243. 1092

    Great to see one in the eye for the bloody climate Nazis.

    • 1148
      streamfisher says:

      The EEC rushed through legislation to phase out conventional lightbulbs in favour of long-life bulbs which happen to have a high mercury content, mercury had been replaced in virtually every manufacturing process prior to this because it was recognised as a highly polluting, toxic and long lived heavy metal especially in food chains. Another triumph for the ‘Greens’. Somebody is also making a shitload of money out of this on the back of the Environment con.

  244. 1093
    freddie flintoff says:

    had a thought lads , goverment is playing games to fuck the torys up , thats not cricket , what they forgot is they are there to govern but with the mcbride affair it showed the real face of new labour , blair and brown have wrecked a once proud party and turned it into some form of confused back stabbing party that had lost it morals and want power for powes sake not for public service

  245. 1094
    freddie flintoff says:

    hey lads postman johson has something to say about the lad going to usa
    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/guest_contributors/article6736058.ece

    • 1096
      freddie flintoff says:

      link dont work , in the times alan johnson writes a piece about that gary lad

    • 1100
      Anonymous says:

      Johnson’s reputation will NEVER recover from this if he allows the extradition to proceed. He has shown himself to be unwilling to act in the interests of a vulnerable UK Citizen.Despite his words he DOES have the power to stop extradition and order the trial of MacKinnon in the UK.It is merely the courage and political will to act that stops him

      The article is a total piece of spin from start to finish. The Treaty was NEVER designed for the purpose which the USA is using it for.We even get Mr Johnson using the usual “Labour Scare tactics” and telling us in “his” article that we couldnt have got the 7/7 suspect deported from Italy without the treaty.Rubbish.We’re NOT talking about European Arrest Warrants.We’re talking about the aspect of the treaty between the USA/UK and the fact that the US Congress has never ratified the treaty.whereas the UK government has still implemented it despite that fact.It is unjust and should be repealed or at the very least the clause covering the USA amended. Mr Johnson made a very poor argument for not voting for the opposition amendment in the Opposition Day debate to do so in July(when he laughingly called himself just a “hack politician” unable to act) and he has done nothing further to convince people of the strength of his argument by this piece.No further excuses Mr Johnson.Act and stop hiding behind legalistic arguments.It is bad law tilted against the rights of UK Citizens and “weasel words” from the government can’t hide that shameful fact.

      • 1101
        freddie flintoff says:

        he never had a backbone lad showed that when he failed to topple gordon

        • 1117
          Duncan Disorderly says:

          What d’ye expect from a fuckin postie? Tha fookas niver bring tha Giro on time ah tell ye.

        • 1134
          barefootcontessa says:

          Too keen on greasing his hair and wearing those expensive suits, and waving those rather creepy hands about.

      • 1119
        Rant against the Machine says:

        I concur wholeheartedly, theres more at stake here than what Gary McKinnon may or may not have done.

        • 1135
          Duncan Disorderly says:

          Tha yanks deliberately valued the “damage” made by McKinnon to coincidently meet that tha threeshold for extradition purposes. It disnae cost $5,000 per PC to get rid of viruses.

          BTW
          massive lead in marginals

        • 1136
          barefootcontessa says:

          Yes, wholeheartedly agree.

        • 1142
          HANG E'M HIGH says:

          The Last British Guy They Extradited To America They Discribed As “The Biggest Threat To World Peace Since Adolf Hitler” ! The Biggest threat to World Peace Is The Americans ! If a Normal “Joe Can Hack In Then What Can The Terrorists Do ?They Should Give Him A medal For Showing What A Set Of Twats Run Their Country !

        • 1144
          chronic says:

          If we can extradite people to a country that uses torture, will that mean all those who use this as an excuse to stay in this country can be sent back.

  246. 1098
    GET RID OF SAD BASTARDS says:

    Guido Please Change This Blog Every Fucker On It Has Become A Member Of Shortwidges family What A Set Of Fucking SADO’S

  247. 1103
    HANG E'M HIGH says:

    After this ilegal war is over we need War Crimes Trials in this country .We now Have troops with Lack of kit no ammo no helecopters and now no doctors this is a major Sham and this bastard lie-bore party are to blame They should be held to account by This Country and Punished UTTER SCUM !

    • 1104
      freddie flintoff says:

      shotguns or lamposts lad ?

      • 1108
        HANG E'M HIGH says:

        Drowning I think would Be Better For E’M Freddie

      • 1120
        HANG E'M HIGH says:

        Seems To me Lad that this shower of shit know they will get slaughtered at the next GE So They want To Make this country A TOTAL SHIT HOLE For The Tories Then They can sit there blaming them for the state of it , they are Thick enough and Hard faced enough to Do That

        • 1122
          freddie flintoff says:

          we are fucked lad they know it , we know it and they know that we know it , peadlo and some beers and of to the west indies lad

        • 1130
          HANG E'M HIGH says:

          NO fred lad it’s a job on sky for you lad !

        • 1133
          freddie flintoff says:

          lad been on sky so much , holiday in the west indies until this “labour” goverment is voted out or shot up the arse lad

        • 1139
          cricket is balls says:

          balls

        • 1150
          HANG E'M HIGH says:

          If That Is the Best You can Think Of To Say! Your ONE Brain Cell Must Be Lonely ! Was It Really Worth All That Effort ?

  248. 1105
    PT Barnum (Ex-Labour Party Member) says:

    Recommended reading: Terry Pratchett on the choice to die.

    “Life is easy and cheap to make. But the things we add to it, such as pride, self-respect and human dignity, are worthy of preservation, too, and these can be lost in a fetish for life at any cost.”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1203622/Ill-die-endgame-says-Terry-Pratchett-law-allow-assisted-suicides-UK.html

  249. 1116
    Duncan Disorderly says:

    Conservatives now have a massive lead in the marginals.

    Hoots mon! Broon’s a goner.

    • 1126
      HANG E'M HIGH says:

      The Related story Is Mandelsons return to the commons Via a “Safe Seat” in the North east ! Nobodys Seat Is Safe with Him Around !

    • 1138
      relaunch no. 563 says:

      I feel another dead cat bounce relaunch coming on.

  250. 1143
    nell says:

    A company in Tyneside has developed an anti-IED device that fits on the front of military vehivles. It is called SPARK.

    A Senior US Army Officer says ‘ it is a great device and it has saved , and is saving dozens of American soldiers lives’

    So, good news, because the device is British manufactured we must have fitted it to all of our vehicles in Afghanistan then??!! NO! NOT A SINGLE ONE!!

    The MoD has purchased 12 SPARK’s (12!!!!) , but they have been mothballed because the MoD forgot to buy the mounting kit needed to attach them to vehicles.!!!!

    Sounds very like those 8 chinooks that bob’aintbustingagut’ has mothballed somewhere in Wiltshire doesn’t it. ??!!

    • 1146
      HANG E'M HIGH says:

      It Was Also Reported That LDV had Produced A Very Effective Blast proof vehicle which also would have saved lives ! and of lesser importance jobs But What did Lie-Bore Do About That ? What they do with most things that will benefit our people ! Fuck All

    • 1147
      chronic says:

      What use are aircraft carriers, euro fighters and trident going to be against IEDs?

      • 1149
        streamfisher says:

        What would any sensible person do seeing a signpost “This way to the mediaeval shithole” Warning minefield, we ain’t got nothing but a few donkeys and an awful lot of religious nut cases that want to kill you. Surely a no brainer.

        • 1151
          Military Coup Now Please says:

          Are You Suggesting A Mutiny ? I Would Love The Military To Over Throw This ShitHouse Of A Government !

        • 1152
          streamfisher says:

          Are you trying to get me arrested?

        • 1154
          Military Coup Now Please says:

          Its only an opinion as is mine above

        • 1156
          Military Coup Now Please says:

          For Fucks sake DONT suggest they have one in America or you will end up on the same plane as Gary

        • 1157
          Paper view says:

          Ploddys v Squaddies. What a tear up!

        • 1158
          barefootcontessa says:

          Don’t disturb that awfully nice man (you know the one with the scrubby hitlerite moustache?) He’s trying to enjoy his well earned break in France, a glass of wine, a spot of warm sunshine, feet up, perhaps a gentle snooze. What the heck does he care about the troops, the war, the financial difficulties, he’s on his hols.

  251. 1166
    Pauline and Gill says:

    Guido,
    Can’t believe that you are still looking at this stuff, but just in case you are, this confirms that E M-S (MEP) is an absolute shit who has done very, very well out of his EP expenses for quite some time. His latest bleat would have more strength to it if he had resigned the Tory whip before the latest EP elections when he was well aware that Cameron was going to take the Tories out of the EPP group. No need to ask why he didn’t.
    For more information ask two of his former Brussels researchers,
    Pauline and Gill

  252. 1167
    Charles E Hardwidge says:

    Gordon Brown was not elected by us, he was given to us. Does this make him a donation? If so can we give the fucker back?

  253. 1170

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