Rich & Mark’s Monday View
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Max Clifford says…
“Most people want to read nasty things about people, not nice things.”
DisgustedOfMitcham2 says:
Maybe if they really wanted to “decontaminate the Labour brand” with business people, they shouldn’t have totally buggered up the economy?
Just a thought.
You can’t have helicopters, who else is going to clear the mines!
People say they want a leader but all the sages say this is a phantom. Really, one just needs to let go of all that absurdity about leaders and society, and allow the genuine person inside to get some air.
I’ve made a few comments and read a few books that look hauntingly familiar when, say, Obama’s speeches are analysed, and its obvious Cameron’s just trying to fake it. So, the real test remains delivery and capacity.
A test that our current government have failed.
Who has claimed that the recent spate of fatal casualties are a consequence of a lack of helicopters? Who meaning which politician or senior military person?
Sir Jock Stirrup
Following criticism of the government for failing to give troops air support, Sir Jock said more helicopters would “quite patently” prevent casualties.
Stirrup said also that there would be casualties in helicopters as they are not armoured and therefore there is no panacea.
However the question is:
“Who has claimed that the recent spate of fatal casualties are a consequence of a lack of helicopters? Who meaning which politician or senior military person?”
The question stands unanswered because noone has said that the deaths were the result of a lack of helicopters.
Remember the US Marines also have a spike in casualties as the operation Panthers Claw is implemented in Helmand and they have vast numbers of Chanooks.
MP select committee say its costing lives. From The Times:
The lack of helicopters available to British troops in Afghanistan is costing lives, MPs concluded today.
A report from the Commons Defence Committee concluded that more aircraft must be bought as a matter of urgency and the Government should not wait for next year’s strategic defence review.
And at an inquest today, the mother of a 21-year-old soldier killed by a roadside bomb in Afghanistan made an emotional plea for the Government to provide the best equipment possible for British troops in Afghanistan, rather than “feathering their own nest”.
The MPs said in their report that extra helicopters would cut down on the number of road convoys that have proved vulnerable to Taleban attacks. Twelve of the 15 deaths in Afghanistan over the past fortnight have been caused by roadside bombs.
But they’re not saying it are they?
They’re spinning you, honestly, examine what they actually said.
Look at the US Marines casualties in the same period and they’re in a quieter area.
No you’re spinning.
If we take casualties this month 2 deaths would have been prevented so far : Lt Col Thorneloe and Trooper Hammond. They were killed in a roadside attack while in transit; if they had flown they would be alive.
MPs are saying lack of helipcopters is costing lives, the army is saying it, observers on the ground are saying it. The grim statistics are saying it.
Show us the quote.
General Lord Guthrie this month:
if there had been more helicopters
“it is very likely that fewer soldiers would have been killed by roadside bombs.”
Unfortunately a few more helicopters won’t turn this shitstorm around.
Brown has been pennypinching in Afghanistan and shortchanging the troops on the ground while aproving multi-Billion vanity projects like New-Trident and the Eurofighter etc.
Sadly, there is no coherent Policy from Cameron on this other than saying he is not happy with things as they are.
For those who don’t know the troops dying just now aren’t dying to stop fictitious Taliiban attacking “over here”. And the Attacks we have had on British soil were planned in Pakistan not Afghanistan.
The purpose of current offensive in Helmand is to try and keep the most hardcore of the Taliiban away from Kabul so that when Karzai is Elected in a few weeks it doesn’t look like a complete farce. Karzai being one of the top ten most corrupt Political Leaders in the World with little or no influence outside Kabul and a Government of Mullahs little different to what the Taliiban were all about in their adherance to Shariah Law.
The other purpose of the offensive is to try and drive the Taliban to the negotiations table. Absolutely no sign of that.
So do we keep doing this ever year just to keep appearances up with Karzai or someone very like him ?
Because we did it for Karzai 4 years ago and the Taliiban got STRONGER with him in power not weaker. 4 more years of this worth it ? To achieve what ?
Phased withdrawalls are coming just like they came to Iraq.
Trouble is the Political classes don’t want to tell anybody just yet.
the fucking landrovers are not armoured either! Simple less time on ground less chance of being blown up . Britain 1 chopper per 400 troops Americans (just arrived) 1 chopper per 33 troops and more on the way If your going to fight a war watch the yank’s they dont go short of anything !
I know you’re a wind-up, but still, you really have nothing else to do that you need to keep your crap little joke going every time Guido blogs? It’s gone from vaguely amusing to tedious and downright wierd. You only have one life Charles – go and get one.
Nah, the guy is a fuckwit with his head so far up his arse he cannot see daylight.
MB, shut your cake hole.
Well that says somthing for Cameron’s forsight, considering he was party leader 14 months before Obama even started his campaign.
Yeah, the lines and speaches may of changed a bit since Obama Mania, but so has everybodies, and they haven’t changed all that much.
Sounds as if you favour ‘socialist totalitarianism’ and Federal Europe.
I LOVE ‘EM ALL – God Bless ‘em and we have a GREAT country REJOICE,. REJOICE!!
eh up lads howzat for bowling , thanks for all the support
“Who has claimed that the recent spate of fatal casualties are a consequence of a lack of helicopters? Who meaning which politician or senior military person?”
98% of troop movements in NI were done by helicopter, this allowed flexibility and reduced “spotters” being able to pre-plan IED placements for patrols.
Having more helicopters would be a “Force Multiplier” and allow more options in moving troops around for placement on the ground, and therefore breaking a “pre pattern” whilst patrolling.
I suggest Master Baiter that if your of this opinion you go over to Afghanistan and sit in 5tonnes of steel on a patrol and tell me which you would prefer but then again if your from Labour ilk then you`ll be much happier in your Villa in Tuscany toasting reducing child poverty and creating an underclass of which were all paying for.
So that’s not one of them then.
There are none that have said that the recent spate of fatal casualties were as a result of too few helicopters.
An omission is an admission, in this case.
It’s best to clarify that.
Just because there is no direct “CSI Miami” style link doesn`t mean that it is wrong.
It would be much better knowing there is more Helicopters available than having to lay in a ditch for 90mins for an evac.
Something MB you will never experience, it`s all to easy to sit behind your computer screen and play the “omission” and “admission” argument but the truth is we need more Helicopters in theatre and it`s best to heed the request of General Sir Richard Dannatt as he has far more respect than any Labour minister.
Who is saying that there should not be more helicopters?
Sir Jock Stirrup
Following criticism of the government for failing to give troops air support, Sir Jock said more helicopters would “quite patently” prevent casualties.
Masterwanker you know full well that the military high command are constrained in what they can say about their political masters. Brown and Co are far to cowardly to even show face at a military funeral nevermind see action in Helmand Province. You and your ilk make me vomit !
It’s an interesting dilemna. Should the military command send men on missions and operations for which they are not equipped adequately?
Would the military high command bow to political pressure and order such operations? If they did bow to the pressure, would they admit it?
A lot of ducking and diving by senior staff it seems, all from eight men killed in 24 hours.
Still, those who wish to escalate the operation are entitled to their views.
Remember India is occupying Kashmir with a force of 700,000.
How many British should be sent to slow cook in Afghanistan?
Mr MB.
OUR helicopters are not armoured. The Yank ones are.
Chinooks have tons of plate bolted on against small arms fire. Because they are huge they can absorb the extra weight.
Our medium Lynx can’t do this.
But you are right. the pilots I spoke with didn’t want more helicopters. They wanted the spares {promised at almost the point of mutiny in 2006} to finally arrive.
http://cityunslicker.blogspot.com/2009/07/more-helicopters.html
B&Q it, calm down it’s only what Stirrup said about the vulnerablity of ‘elicopters.
Odd then that Nulabor borrowed against taxpayers to fund the most expensive contract to build helicopters – 50% dearer according to reports with long delayed completion – 2013.
Odd that the media is ‘Afghanistan’ obsessed alongside it’s announcement of Bliar’s candidacy for EU President. And Iraq ? Any improvement in equipment supplies ?
As any fule kno the simple reason why there are insufficient helicopters in Afghanistan is because they are mostly so damn busy flying over Central London being used by various members of the government as glorified taxis. Never seen such activity in recent years as I do now with the constant Chinooks, Pumas etc. flying overhead.
They really cannot resist the urge, can they?
Round and round and round ….
Whirling McDervish?
good cartoon this week , well i think so
Yes, a good cartoon.
This government has sent hundreds of our brave servicemen and women to their deaths in wars that this country did not need, and did not want. That they chose to not even equip them properly speaks volumes about this thoroughly cynical regime. Meanwhile, Brown, Mandelson and the rest of them continue to play politics as the death toll continues to mount.
Take it up with the brass
I guess it’s all about spin for Gordon, isn’t it? I mean, we all thought things would be different when Blair went, but Brown spins far more than his predecessor did. I don’t think Brown’s raison d’etre is to try and govern the country well, it’s just about trying to put one over on his political opponents. Thing is, people are dying because of this government’s petty cack-handedness.
His raison d’etre is to be prime minister, anyhow, anyway, at any cost!
The nuanced aspects of Keynesian economics, the shift in global politics, and world poverty have something to say. The Anglo-American dance with Reagan-Thatcher economics is over. This will be scary for the egos who’ve done well under that scheme but they’re going to have to get used to it.
Your stupid bilge has been well and truly found out by browsing through your, ‘ahem’, archive material. Now back to your soiled mattress Charles.
My three personal favourites from Hardwidge’s ‘archive’:
Most trolls I’ve run into are frustrated or lack social skills, and have a pathologically inflated sense of their own worth. The tiny hardcore (about 1%) never change. If they acted like that in the real world they’d be in jail or mental hospital.
Charles Hardwidge @ 11:31 pm, Mon 27th Apr 2009 on LabourList
Maybe, like Gordon Brown, I can be too concerned with proper form and not want to be drawn into petty squabbling but I have no problem with slamming people into the ground and raping them in the ass if that’s what it takes.
Charles Hardwidge @ 4:35 am, Sat 2nd May 2009
At 6:39pm on 08 Sep 2008, Charles_E_Hardwidge wrote [on Nick Robinson's blog]:
If the Tory shadow Home Secretary offered to pay my relocation and resettlement costs it would be tempting to vote Tory and bale out of Britain the day they got into power, but I’m not that selfish. I’ll leave it to other folks to value graft over virtue.
Reagan-Thatcher defeated Communism, just what has Labour defeated apart from this once proud Country?!?
Have you heard of the communist party of China?
Idiot. China is communist in name only. In many respects they are more capitalist than America.
I have but China has never had a sphere on influence on European borders and until it embraced a near “Capitalist” economic structure had neither the Technology or the Navy to be a direct threat to the West.
But you did miss N Korea smart ass, anything else constructive you`d like to mention MB?!?
In the words of Hugo Chavez:
“You are a donkey, Mr Bush”
Is that the party that John Reid and hald the Labour cabinet were once members off ?
MB is a Chavez fan. I bet you thought Labour’s 1983 manifesto was a good idea too.
One of their better efforts! Never Mandy will sort it – he’s handy with a chopper.
Better than the last few Rich and Mark. Not quite up with Scarfe’s in the Times yesterday but good none the less.
Now the MPs are away for the summer, let’s keep this story on the front pages rather than the ‘flu hysteria please…
..or the moon landing about which the BBC has become so utterly besotted. If I hear the words “One small step….” once more then anything within reach that isn’t welded down may well go the way of the airborn Nokias.
Fly me to the moon and let your spirit set me free.
But at least the moon landing was a great human endevour, something that was done because it could be, something that the best brains in the world worked on for years. It was 40 years ago today, the story will be gone by tomorrow..
What have we achieved recently, apart from a massive collapse in banking and 10 million economically inactive people either unemployed, sick or in non-jobs??
Slaughtering 3 million Vietnamese?
We murdered 2 million just because we could
Socialism with a human face
Small beer
Amatuers.
Ok, ok, I never made mass murderer topspot, but a podium place on behalf of world socialism, is not too shabby.
Adolph.
“We” as in “the man in the street” are not responsible for either the banking collapse or supporting the brown tidal wave of benefits to the workshy.
“What has Brown achieved recently?” is a far more accurate question.
We are the fcuking victims not the perpetrators”.
How do you know ‘they’ went to the moon? I’ve always thought of you as a questioning kind of person xpat. Spin and the moon go together like horse and carriage.
BC, I am a questioning sort, you’re right. Still think we went there though, even though I wasn’t born at the time.
Like many conspiracy theories, the moon landing hoax theory falls down on the sheer number of people that would have had to be sworn to secrecy. The rockets certainly went up somewhere, and having done that much the rest is probably easier to do than to fake.
prettier colours.
The long-term strategic development by Labour in Africa and bringing education to disadvanaged classes is a double-whammy that will help lead a charge in technology and trade that will grow opportunity and wealth creation in the near future. And it’s that sense of vision which will turbo-charge the emergent global renaissance.
The mythology of the Tao and similar works discusses the great achievements of the ancients in hyperbolic terms. But, as people emerged from the mud to found civilisation, so Labour are stepping up a gear to deliver no less auspicious achievements. We live in a time where legends are made: this is history and we have a front row seat.
Don’t need a credit card to ride this train…
yawn….
F-off for once, British troops are being killed, say something pertinent or shut the fuck up (old Confucian mantra).
To clarify this was a reply to Charles Dickhead.
All international flights between Africa and China are full with Africans and Chinese.
All international flights between Africa and Europe or the US are half empty and carrying Europeans only.
You people cannot read the signs!
Is that name pronounced “Hoaxing You” by any chance??
Probably you would never be able to pronounce it even nearly correctly, that is not uncommon amongst the British. Their repressions are very deep. It is their one large achievment.
Thank you for Congo and Zambia.
Not to mention Paris, Chelsea and Peaches.
34 – Is that The Belgian Congo?
Keep going – it’s hard to tell whether you or Master Baiter are the most successful in winding up the newbies.
What is interesting is that you obviously have a sophisticated IT set up to be first on the case as soon a Guido posts a comment, while rest of us are doing real jobs.
It’s getting a bit transparent that you are only here for our sport and amusement while probably getting paid by a spurious source to disparage and side track.
You are revealed as a grubby Foot/Scargill type figure.
You might actually have some bite as a socialist apologist if New Labour had actually improved the lives of the nation.
This may be news to you, but they haven’t.
How old is that fossil in the window?
The one with the dribbly chin?
At least Charles posts comments worthy of comparrison to the serious, but misguided Foot and Scargill.
Master Baiter can only be compared to Timmy Malett, being persistantly annoying, but completely irrelevent
That is praise indeed.
Utterly Brilliant
It’s the lobotomy stupid
Do you think Baiter has ever heard of Foot and Scargill.
I’d have thought that their name was banned from nuLabour kindergarten. Unless they use them in politically incorrect ways to scare the youngsters. Or perhaps an unvetted old labour type wandered in one day.
PS: You’re showing your age about timmy malett aren’t you. I bet you’d remember “magic” as well as the big hammer.
Michael Foot was a great journalist, a great campaigner for justice and a brilliant Parliamentarian. Also he lost the 1983 general election by an amount far less than Major, Hague and Howard who were royally trounced and defenestrated.
Mwahahaha!
I only recently came across Timmy when he was in the Jungle, but he struck me as the most ridiculous and persistently annoying figure with nothing to say.
This somehow reminded me of our self abusing friend.
McGormless, do you wear a bib?
Utterly Brilliant again
It’s the lobotomy stupid
Major got more votes in 1992 (14m, 41% votes, 51% seats) than Blair did in 1997 (13m, 43% votes, 63% seats). Not bad given the circumstances – just shows why Kinnock can only be a politician when he doesn’t require a vote to get elected.
Just another example of a corrupt, unfair voting system which Blair promised to reform, yet bottled. Like everything in his contemptuous existence.
McGormless, when you get a clean one do you call it your new bibby?
About 27. It’s you!
105 – another inane comment from MB. Michael Foot was a decent man ( unlike you and the rest of newlabour.) Unfortunately he wasn’t unscrupulous enough, or deceitful enough to be a ‘good’ politician, and his donkey jacket was an unfortunate fashion statement!
Timmy Mallet never had a hammer he had a mallet.
And he sued West Ham United, the Hammers, for selling foam hammers as he reckoned it took away from sales of foam mallets.
Annoying? There are a few choic ewords I could come up for him!
Foot’s 8456934 only exceeded the Tories 8357622 of 2001
Don’t quote my lyrics halfwidge or I’ll sue
Yes, I’m afraid that Gordon would rather send money to Africa to help corrupt governments than ensure our troops are adequately provided for.
Perhaps Comic Relief can be replaced with Armed Forces Relief.
This cartoon is refreshingly free of poo.
Shame.
Nulab , just utterly beneath contempt – as epitomised by that blot on humanity, mcbride !
How the fuck is someone with morals like that, considered suitable to obtain a CRB check and work with kiddies ?
Same way as catholic priests i suppose !
Chopper Brown.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/video/Chinook-helicopters-MOD-slammed-over-decision-making-in-deal/Video/200903115234970?lpos=video_Article_Related_Content_Region_4&lid=VIDEO_15234970_Chinook_helicopters%3A_MOD_slammed_over_decision_making_in_dea
Am I Charles Hardwidge dreaming that I am Sir William Waad?
Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Give him a book on the Tao and you inflate him with wind for a lifetime.
Give him a towel and he dries his back.
Give him a flannel and he flannels.
Give him a bud and he’s a Buddhist.
Give him a W and Waad have you got?
My family name is pronounced ‘Wade’, further proof that you are an imposter, sir.
or Madam
Jeez, if you channelled your energy into making the best comment you can instead of letting your ego run away with itself, we’d all be better off.
It’s just a fact of individual and group psychology that change is hard. The fact that you and the Tory boys in here clearly break sound posting rules every day and can’t or won’t listen is proof enough.
Be still, grasshopper.
A friend with weed is a friend indeed.
amen
)
The hornet has been stirred, keep your eyes sharp and your mouth closed.
It is a solitary creature but carries a painful lesson in respect and fear.
Garf’s Grandfer used to say something similar:
‘Bees is all right, til they sit down: then their asses is some hot!’
Would it be possible to do a FOI request to discover who came up with the idea to quote %s when spinning the increase in the number of helicopters? If so, it would make the selection of Hoon of the Year very straightforward.
R56
An elementary mistake was made, if they had started off with just the one, ergo two would = 100% increase, three….
Guido,
Your Nike promo (free delivery) code has expired.
How sad.
Talking ’bout yourself, again, eh?
Nah
Yeh a real brown-lipped bastard – the tories love to be dominated.
Polly Toynbee writes this excellent and insightful piece in the Guardian today:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jul/20/politics-hope-selfishness-greed
In it she explains why she is on the Left – because she believes in hope and fairness rather than selfishness and greed.
I admit the Guardian is a little more highbrow than the Mail, the Sun or what most of you are used to reading, but Toynbee’s article isn’t too difficult for most ordinary people to understand. Try it – it might open your minds!
A taster quote:
“Paying taxes towards good government is not a “burden” but the most communitarian thing we do – and it buys the good life, all the things we care most for, such as health, education, safety and a pleasing environment.”
And a Villa in Tuscany.
and private education for your kids
There’s definitely scope for the media following a better approach, and developing a more rational and polite attitude. It’s the only way that more understanding and trust can be developed, and that’s important for politics in general.
Smarter journalists like Toynbee understand this, and the media in general seems to be waking up to the fact that it needs to pull its socks up.
I mentioned this stuff ages ago and now it seems people are starting to get a clue. Perceptions and attitudes will change and we’ll step into a new and better comfort zone.
“Smarter journalists like Toynbee understand this”
Too far Charles, we now know for sure that you are extracting the urine.
You little scamp you.
Some impersonate Charles.
Be open minded in your views and you will find insight.
Very wise observations there…although I doubt whether you can ever expect much by way of high journalistic standards from Sty News or “the Current Bun”.
Oh, No, not another one that speaks in riddles, I’d far rather read the Sun, the Mail or the Dandy and Beano than the Guardian, which I understand only too well.
Toynbee? Did she phone her socialist claptrap in from her Tuscan Villa? Very egalitarian I don’t think!
And I don’t take lessons in taxation altruism for the Grauniad.
Perhaps you’ve forgotten how the clever tax wizards ensured the GMG only paid a pittance through usage of Cayman Island tax structures. In fact in percentage terms I pay more than they do. So naff off Toynbee you tax spiv!
Hypocrisy? Thy name be Guardian Toynbee.
Now away with you lest I forget myself and tell you of my stern Scottish ’son of the manse’ fiscal responsibilty etc etc.
Your Tuscan comment is an irrelevant ad hominem attack (look that up) as well as being libellous, Ethan.
You can look forward to meeting the Guardian’s lawyers if you continue on this line of attack.
Beano editorial “Desperate Dan has just eaten two cow pies and he is still hungry”, match that Toynbee!
The Guardian’s lawyers for comments about Tuscany?
I don’t think so.
apy attention or pay damages – your choice.
Stating that Ms Toynbee phoned in her article from Tuscany is an assertion which may or may not be true but it is not libellous since the defendant is free to claim ‘Oh I made a mistake’ or ‘I was joking’.
If one were to say that Ms Toynbee is a self-serving, hypocritical whitewashed sepulchre with the intelligence of Spam and the morals of a mushroom, that would be slander (blog posts being deemed as speech acts in case law). But of course no one actually said that.
Desperate Dan was in the Dandy last time i looked ! About 1967 i think ?
Left a comment but the bastards @ Guardian HQ deemed it unsuitable and deleted it.
Comment Is Free my fecking arse.
The Left do not like to be contradicted.
But they like a comment to be left.
Right?
Alan Johnson did a great job on Mars Sunday show and tell.
Gave the Mr Bean Pea brains and their enneff and mosley predecessors a clean evisceration.
Do you take it in turns to make comments, you MB, CH and that other worthless creep SS? Are you sponsored by newlabour to disrupt and draw attention away from intelligent comment? You don’t do newlabour any justice, not that that would be possible anyway!
You have to be mentally deficient to believe in hope.
Paying taxes towards good government ? Anybody seen one lately?
All the things we care most for, such as ….a pleasing environment. Like Tuscany?
She really is a dope.
she is the epitome of a silly old moo
communitarian? how far from communist is that please? sounds like bidens ‘paying tax is patriotic’ gaff. shame we can’t convince more labour voters to get jobs and pay tax eh? ms. toynbee is a fool and hypocrit.
http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basEss1.html
Keep quiet and stop making a fool of yourself.
I bet you say that to all your victims… In your dreams.
Except not many on the left actually pay taxes.
To remind you, if you work in the public sector, you do not actually pay income tax, even though it is nominally deducted from your salary (paid from tax revenue of course, or in Gordon’s case by borrowing yet more cash on the never never).
Share that nonsense with the troops in Afghanistan.
Both the public sector and the private sector create wealth.
Labour, innovation, management and capital create wealth.
All elements are required.
Sorry MB, Anon is right. A country’s wealth is created by the private sector. If the public sector did actually create wealth then with the record numbers of our bloated state we should be doing very nicely.
Essentially wealth is created by labour.
That’s why strikes are so unpopular.
Sorry MB but wealth is created by voluntary mutually beneficial reciprocal exchange.
The government is however not funded by reciprocal exchange it’s funded by extortion. When the government is not too large it can support reciprocation, however massively over-large governments such as our current one destroy wealth and slowly impoverish the country.
A government that taxes the reciprocal exchange will get less of it, and thus destroy wealth.
Wealth is destroyed by Trades Unions.
I have taught my sons that paying your tax is a pleasure and a privilege just like it is a source of personal pride to pay all one’s bills and accounts promptly – THAT, I have told them, is what it means to be respectable….I DO NOT RESPECT folks who evade tax.
That’s because you’re a fool.
You’re entitled to your opinion Aunty
The Politics of a Dope
To live on the left is to live delusionally, believing in progress despite setbacks and disasters, hoping against hope and despite constant, predicted, disappointment, never learning the lessons of experience, urging the unverifiable, mystical notion of ‘progress’ against rightwing nostalgia for illusory “better yesterdays”, “better todays”, and “better tomorrows”. Life on the left means trusting that the better side of human nature can prevail against selfishness and greed: why should not those who tirelessly champion the idolised as well as idealised ‘worker’ be entitled to a little Champagne, and the traditional Tuscan Villa? Let us enjoy what, if we are honest, we know they cannot really appreciate (bless them!): after all, I don’t appreciate the nuances of Lager, any more than precious Peter does Slushy Peas; they, probably, wouldn’t really appreciate Parma Ham, Guacamole, fine wines, or wonderful vistas. Good argument can always persuade enough people to see that a more socially just society is in everyone’s best interests. Life on the left means an instinctive, continuous, relentless, defence of the underdog against the over-privileged, rooting for the have-nots against the power of the have-yachts. By the way, I see that lovely Mark Thompson (I think?) of the BBC has the use of a yacht, provided for by the public: perhaps… but no, I mustn’t run the risk of using my femininity… still, it would be nice – and so convenient!
WAAAARRRKKK!!! POLLYWANNACRACKER! POLLYWANNACRACKER! pingpingpingping. RAARK-K!
What a hypocritical load of shit, as per usual from PT. Who’s she kidding?
Taxes also pay for ID cards, interventionalist wars, globalist empire building, detention without charge, corpratism, banker bailouts, Lisbon Treaty, European federal government etc etc
From Toynbee Truth:
“Paying taxes towards good government is not a “burden” but the most communitarian thing we do – and it buys the good life, all the things we care most for, such as health, education, safety and a pleasing environment.”
LOL!!!
Must be a troll. Health? You mean the NHS where more people die each year from preventable hospital acquired infections than are killed on the roads each year? The same NHS which has more middle managers than beds for patients? Despite the record amounts of cash poured into the NHS black hole?
Education? Fnar fnar. Please don’t make me laugh. Simple test: place a “A Level” exam paper from 30 years ago in front of a pupil who got an A** or whatever it is now in the current A-Levels, and watch how they don’t even make the minimum pass grade on the older paper. Also note the number of Labour MPs who send their kids private rather than to state comps.
Safety? When even the Home Secretary has to walk around in a flak jacket with an armed police escort?
Pleasing Environment? Inner City Glasgow, Inner City Manchester, Inner City London, Inner City Birmingham. Need I go on?
And this after titanic levels of taxation under Labour. Frankly, I think we’ve had sod-all value for money from supposed tax funded “public goods”. We could hardly be worse off with “Tory Cuts”, so we might as well try those for a change.
Polly votes left because it allows her to indulge her favourite passtime: “Do as I say, not as I do”.
35 Master Baiter says:
July 20, 2009 at 3:44 pm
“Slaughtering 3 million Vietnamese?”
And do tell us old boy what the Neo Labour foreign body count now stands at since 1997?
Is it 6 wars or 7 now for the Neo Labour war machine?
And not forgetting the 18 year old British Squaddies, recently deceased, who showed more courage in their short lives than your Dear Leader has in his entire cowardly life.
You really do cut a miserable figure, defending that ruinous creature masquerading as a Prime Minister.
Moon landing, burning innocent Vietnamese peasants, they go hand in hand.
Who knows how many innocents have been slaughtered industrially in the last dozen years?
Perhaps like the disasters resulting from overgrown power of the financial sector the answer is with the people who profit from such actions.
Mao presided over the deaths of an estimated 70 million of his own citizens
Stalin murdered an estimated 25 million Soviet citizens
Hitler murdered 10 million
i believe mao holds the coveted ‘only person to kill more people in his country than were born globally that year’ title. not many can claim to have temporarily reversed global population growth. socialism is good for some things, just not what they claim it is.
http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basEss1.html
Toynbee? Did she phone her socialist claptrap in from her Tuscan Villa? Very egalitarian I don’t think!
And I don’t take lessons in taxation altruism for the Grauniad.
Perhaps you’ve forgotten how the clever tax wizards ensured the GMG only paid a pittance through usage of Cayman Island tax structures. In fact in percentage terms I pay more than they do. So naff off Toynbee you tax spiv!
Hypocrisy? Thy name be Guardian Toynbee.
Now away with you lest I forget myself and tell you of my stern Scottish ‘son of the manse’ fiscal responsibilty etc etc.
Just watched Andy Burnham on Lie TV reassuring us that we will all die a horrible death but should continue as normal, who the hell was the grey haired bloke to his left as he spoke? He was nodding off. Fucking lazy Labour fuckwit.
From yesterday’s Sunday Times:
Dannatt was asked why he was touring Afghanistan in a US Black Hawk helicopter. “Self-evidently . . . if I moved in an American helicopter it’s because I haven’t got a British helicopter,” he replied. Labour ministers kicked back again, with one reportedly calling him a “total c***”.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6719361.ece
So a Labour Minister uses one of the vilest expletives in the English language to describe the Chief of the General Staff… for doing his job of trying to ensure successful execution of the Armed Forces’ mission while minimising casualties. Never mind the lives of the soldiers, never mind the damage to this country’s international prestige – just don’t embarrass Gordon Brown (the man who starved the Army of resources to spite Tony Blair).
Can this government sink any lower? What loathsome filth they are.
Black Hawks cannot be used for offensive operations in Afghanistan because of poor performance at altitude.
It’s amusing that in the same week that Dannatt flew in an ally’s helicopter US astronauts flew to the International Space Station in a Russian rocket. Perhaps they can peer down on Afghanistan, in the same way that all the other intelligence infrastructure on which UK forces are dependent and have been dependent since before the Falklands turkey shoot, peer down on the area of operations.
“Black Hawks cannot be used for offensive operations in Afghanistan because of poor performance at altitude.”
Wrong the MH-60L DAP Blackhawk is more than capable.
I think you will find they used a space shuttle which last time I looked was american. As for 59 above, this does sum the whole lot of them up, useless and not fit for purpose. At least the clock continues to the glorious day we have the opprotunity to vote, starting this Thursday, we don’t want you anymore.
A Russian Rocket?
Dear oh dear, go back to your comics.
Mission accomplished, they have a problem Houston
http://www.space.com/news/081002-nasa-soyuz-waiver.html
Astronaut Class of 2009 Has No Spaceship
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,513263,00.html
Mission accomplished, they have a problem Houston
http://www.space.com/news/081002-nasa-soyuz-waiver.html
Astronaut Class of 2009 Has No Spaceship
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,513263,00.html
Astronaut Class of 2009 Has No Spaceship
Some of the new hires will have to make their first spaceflight by hitching a ride on a Soyuz, the Russian-built spacecraft that will be the only way to launch people to the International Space Station once NASA’s shuttle fleet retires next year.
Bah Gum!
Any chance of Andy Burnham going on a fact finding mission in Afghanistan in a snatch land Rover or G. Brown going to Wooton Basset to pay his respects?
Both would be risk being shot
delete the excess “be”
How’s this?
Trevor Rooking
To Masterbator (sic): You somehow manage to spin everything don’t you? I said delete “be” not “b”
Either you’re a typically dishonest Labourite, just thick, or both.
sorry, masturbator
I’d delete the ‘risk’ and the ‘being’.
Register him as BOTH thick and a dishonest Labourite.
They dont want McMental anywhere near either !
“Can this government sink any lower?”
We think they have but then they go and prove us wrong. It takes sheer skill and determination to excavate a hole of this depth.
Sorry, typo, We think they have reached the bottom but then……
agreed
Agreed again!
My ‘government’ can sink lower than whales’ shit in the Pacific’s Mariana Trench
Keep on digging!
The Christian scriptures comment that “Everything is permitted but not everything is recommended”. Indeed, this is true for something as mundane as coding a a computer programmme, to driving a car, to expression in public space.
Too much freedom of expression and attitude actually lowers understanding and consensus, and drains the capital. For instance, too much “debate” makes children thick, and too much “emotionalism” buffets people so they’re never able to form a meaningful relationship.
Self-awareness, filling your mind with less intellectual clutter and passions, and being sensitive to context allows one to develop quality and expand into the space rather than crashing and burning. This is better for oneself and other people who are dependent on you.
“Self-awareness, filling your mind with less intellectual clutter and passions….
Tried taking your own advice Charles?
And what would you know about anything as you spend all your time posting on the internet, you will never achieve a balance between yin and yang unless you give up these worldly persuits, I prescribe a long journey to a cave somewhere with no access to Windows, let the sunrise be your Vista!
eh rasclart, ya mudder, da fuckin whore – she a bumbe clart. Wa your pun pun suffer, cause you a batty boy. A mon is poking his jaheebas upa – bo!
You copied this from ‘Urban Slang’.
I believe it’s pronounced ‘pum-pum’…
WTF is a “computer programme”?
A contribution which is entriely worthy of the ‘E’ in you middle name – thank you for your wisdom Sir.
i like the bit in the scriptures about stoning and casting out dissolute, alcoholic youths.
those patriarchs had no truck with welfare spongers i can tell you, if gordo had such a religious upbringing as he claims you’d have thought he’d have stumbled on that particular, and worthwhile, christian attitude, don’t you?
Mr Hardwidge: if you will insist on presenting yourself as an enlightened, educated gent, perhaps you could reference some philosophy as opposed to theology, which is not quite the same thing.
http://www.econlib.org/library/Bastiat/basEss1.html
wot a lotta old shitty propaganda – waste of fooking time clicking it.
This post is copy and pasted verbatim from Nick Robinson’s blog at 12:47pm on 31 Oct 2008.
It also wildly represents Christian scripture in which many things are not permitted (on pain of eternal damnation) and in which only a few things are recommended.
when will you lot learn.
DONT FEED THE FUCKIN TROLLS
gO aWaY!
wot Anonymous is talking to wot Anonymous here ??
pardon?
Half past two.
If they only they would stop spinning.
You’ve lost control of your theys.
The armed forces of Qumran (a small but wealthy Gulf state) were dissatisfied with their military hardware and called in a team of experts from the British Ministry of Defence to advise them.
The first year went by and there was no improvement.
The second year went by. Still no improvement.
The third year they ran out of sand.
‘Hello, I’m Jules and this is my friend Sandy!’
Thank fuck we did not need these spinners at Lords
The Reagan-Thatcher years saw a huge cut in public services and transfer of wealth to the elite. The Tories might not like it but Labour have spent that money on putting right what the Tories put wrong.
The electorate and media are beginning to see through the Tories hijacking the economy and blaming things on someone else, just as they tried to hijack the topic and project negative attention on Labour.
Looking at how Osborne and Cameron have so litttle added value to offer and seem addicted to negative campaigning, I’d rate them no better than some random internet troll. Cuz, that’s wot they are.
SQUAAAAARKK!!!
The Davey Smith work showed that wealth inequality has increased under New Labour, despite its attempts to address poverty. Between 1990 and 2000, the share of wealth held by the richest 10% of the population rose from 47% to 54%. The wealthiest 1% saw their share leap from 18% to 23%.
The statistics says otherwise
The First Post Mole reports Brown told not welcome to visit Afghanistan right now by MOD. ( ie rough translation Get Lost / we’re worried you might get shot by your own side – Brown does unwisely turn his back to insult British troops when delivering speeches ).
I wonder what efforts Labour are making to help troops overseas vote in the next general election ? Or are they only supposed to die to let the Afghans vote ?
Remember in 2005 65% of overseas service men couldn’t vote.
No need to worry, English Tommy! I have many cousins in near-to-hand Pakistan! One word from you, and I can ask them to refrain from killing you!
And your votes! If there has been a problem, just let me know! I can have all the tiresome forms filled for you, so that you are not distracted from your great task! As they say, ‘You know it makes sensible!’
In most wars the wounded are more of a drain on finances than the dead.
In wars the wounded far outnumber the dead by a factor of 5-1.
Never mind about helicopters ask about the wounded there lays a truth untold!
Just a little tip (no pun intended).
These bloody cartoons are just pathetic!
NEW LABOUR: AWASH WITH large-scale fraud, error and problems.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6721120.ece
From todays qualified accounts for MoD
1 staff are allowed to enter their own expense claims, allowances, specialist pay details, etc into the pay computer. There are then no checks before they are paid My how MPs mouths must be watering!
3 out of £1.08 bn in allowances paid over £204m was overpaid ie 20%!!!!!!!!
4 in every area overpayments exceeded underpayment by a factor of about x3
5 this has been identified to MOD for several years and they have done nothing to fix it
6 the MODs records were so bad that NAO could not audit the money taken off soldiers for £88m accommodatioon / food etc. Noone has a clue if its right
7 these has been some press coverage of £155m of missing radios. The total amount of equipment that cannot be accounted for is valued at over £1 billion!!!
8 the MOD’s warehouses and stock control systems are shambolic. They have no idea what stores they have or where they are. No wonder soldiers in the line cannot get kit
9 there are particular problems with Radios where as a result of the audit the MOD suddenly found an extra 5000 Bowman radios it didnt know it had. Dont you just love it when you put on a pair of trouses and there’s a £5 in the pocket!
So we cannot afford helicopters or new armour or proper equipment for our troops when MOD is haemorraging money on this scale and has been for years and the figures show that year on year its getting worse. Also its wide iopen to fraid unternbally and on a major contrcat fr radios hasnt a clue how much kit it has or where the missing ones are or even if it has received the ones it has paid for.
That about sums up Nu Labour.
I think the cartoon was good. Shows Brown aned co up for what they are.
At westminster The toilet door has only just been closed for the summer and already The Shit is starting to Seep under it
This scribbled picture is politically incorrect Brown is still on the ground when everyone knows his head is in the Fucking clouds
Is Anybody There ?
Yep. Suggest ‘Chief Rottweiler’ TAT destroys all nasty and boring trolls, then chases the rest down here.
TAT, call me a STUPID CNUT, but may be a good idea.
My fellow Americans.
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