Tories Shelving Inheritance Tax Cut
Guido is an unashamed tax cutter who prefers to cut the taxes of the poorest by raising thresholds and cutting the basic rate. Nevertheless the Inheritance Tax cut promise was a welcome tactical success in that it contributed to Brown bottling the election in 2007, the strategic mistake that doomed his premiership. The News of the World has been given a steer that it will be shelved (presumably by Andy Coulson, who according to Guido’s sources at the Screws, “acts like he is still the boss”). Also shelved will be the commitments to cut Stamp Duty and to introduce a modest but symbolically important £20-a-week tax break for married couples.
It will be spun that the dire fiscal state left to them by Brown will prevent the Tories bringing in any tax reduction. The expected onslaught from Labour on all these tax breaks will be more easily deflected if they take a “only when we can afford it” stance. The trouble is, unless they slash the budget deficit they won’t be able to balance the budget in first term. So when will the Tories be able to afford to reduce taxes? What a depressing poverty of ambition, no bright new dawn, just a fiscal fog.
This timid “give no ammunition to Brown and Balls” approach was first publicly advocated by Policy Exchange’s Neil O’Brien last month, he argued “Dropping the inheritance tax cut will earn the Tories the right to tell the public the terrible truth about the debt disaster.” The public already knows the terrible truth, there is only one way out of debt, you cut spending, there is only one way to grow the economy sustainably, supply side reforms and cutting taxes. Nuancing the politics might spin well on the comment pages of the Guardian, it won’t bring jobs and economic growth. Which is more important?
It is indeed a shame that the Conservatives are shelving their tax-cutting agenda. The area of clear blue water between the parties needs to be bigger, not smaller and symbolic tax cuts would have differentiated the philosophy of the Conservatives from that of McBrown and his ragbag rabble. Now a really brave Conservative leader would admit that the bloated and unsustainable NHS needs a serious pruning!
i reackon its a good idea lad , i dont trust dave yet but i aint going to vote for the labour party , if dave can be honest with the public and scrap id cards and stop the wrecking of parlimant to hold the exutive to account and restore the mother of all parliments to the place it should be then i might give him a chance
Another nail in the coffin of bloggers freedom of speech……..HERE.
The established media barons will be protected and allowed to protect those who work for them, but bloggers are to be picked off one by one, and being a journalist ‘as well’ as a blogger will be no protection.
Thank you Ms Racoon, it is indeed a potentially critical legal ruling. The powerful have never liked the pluralisation made possible by the internet, it was inevitable they would try to rein it in. There’s plenty of precedent … you could compare this, in its essence, to the 18th & 19th C Inclosure acts, but there are many other examples.
I don’t believe the timing is coincidental, however. The bear market rally has collapsed, and these fuckers want tight control in the imminent economic and political chaos.
As the laws are unlikely to be made retrospective, I will take this opportunity to say that our political masters’ corruption and mendacity is only leavened by their murderous incompetence. They should be taken to court for their many crimes, have their assets stripped, and the guilty put in front of a firing squad.
Thank you and goodnight.
Modded! Try again …
Thank you Ms Racoon, it is indeed a potentially critical ruling. The powerful have never liked the pluralisation made possible by the internet, it was inevitable they would try to rein it in. There’s plenty of precedent … you could compare this, in its essence, to the 18th & 19th C Inclosure acts, but there are many other examples.
I don’t believe the timing is coincidental, however. The bear market rally has collapsed, and these fuckers want tight control in the imminent economic and political chaos.
As the laws are unlikely to be made retrospective, I will take this opportunity to say that our political masters’ corruption and mendacity is only leavened by their murderous incompetence. They should be taken to court for their many crimes, have their assets stripped, and the guilty punished – terminally, if this is deemed appropriate.
but you are an independent minded fellow freddie.
so you should vote for a local candidate who is independent from party bias.
come on lad, you will have to be quicker witted than that.
currently you are merely dawdling down the corridor of uncertainty.
WAKEY-WAKEY FREDDIE YOU DOPEY FUCKER!
fuck the liblabconbn,p parties, they are SCUM.
vote independent for the greater good freddie.
here is another reason you should vote independent:
INDEPENDENTS THINK LESBIANS ARE GRRRRRRRRRRRRREAT!
THUMBS UP TO LESBIANS WE WELCOME YOU ABOARD
VOTE INDEPENDENT – MEET LOTS OF LESBIANS!
Where do I sign?
SHIT! YES NIPPLES SOAPY TITWANK!
LUVVIT FUCKC’UNT! SHITFUCK!
COCK!
MUM’S A SLUT!
Where do I sign?
Count me in.
Where do I sign?
I have been persuaded by the eloquently made points of thick as thieves that the best way to increase democratic accountability and scrutiny is by voting for independent candidates.
And even though I am married I must admit I would love to give thick as thieves a portion.
He looks like Steve McQueen. I think he is a really sexy bastard and I wish he would spank my arse. Really hard!
Although I am just an alcoholic tramp and my opinions don’t really count for much with decent homeowning folk, I still think thick as thieves is right.
I will definitely be voting independent. Well, I will if I can get a mailing address to send my poll card to.
GLUG GLUG!
Hell, I AM a lesbian!
Strap me on and count me in.
Oh and I would like to thank thick as thieves for helping wipe my mind clear of its zionist war criminal violent thoughts.
I only think about chopping people’s heads off for a couple of hours a day now.
TaT has assured me we will not stop the treatment until such thoughts are totally neutralised.
Thank you for saving my mind from madness thick as thieves, you are my hero.
Despite having always voted independent (apart from one abstention when I didn’t trust the indepentent candidate either) I’m going to vote independent even more now.
I’m not bothered about meeting lesbians though.
(No offence Dr Mick – nothing wrong with lesbians).
Looks like the TWAT is suffereng from multiple personality disorder today
Thick as… you said you never used other names or impersonated people. Anyway I actually laughed at that…
BUT DON’T DO IT AGAIN. NAUGHTY, NAUGHTY, NAUGHTY!!
As for lesbianism, I can honestly say the practice leaves a nasty taste in the back of my mouth. So I’ll not be partaking but maybe I’ll watch for a while ;-P
steve expat,
I know life is difficult for you because you are a tramp but do try to keep your spirits up and don’t get too depressed and negative.
even though you live in the gutter there is nothing stopping you looking up at the stars.
chin up tramp!
I doubt tat would be that subtle, Dr Mick.
tat’s idea of subtlety is to whack someone round the head with a piece of 2×2 rather than an iron bar.
You people with the lesbian fetish have obviously never met one. I’ve met LOADS. They’re not how you picture them, trust me. They look like men, only with NO sense of humour.
Note for the record.
The real Engineer seems to have suffered from Identity Theft. Whoever has miappropriated my screen-name, please desist.
So far as lesbians go – it’s their business, they can get on with their lives in peace as far as I’m concerned. It’s just that with the cute, good-looking ones, it seems such a waste….
I’ve never, as far as I can recall, mentioned who I have, or may, voted for. Readers can, if they are sad enough to waste the time, try and guess.
I am a silly old duffer.
Ignore everything I say, I have alzheimers and cannot remember what I post from day to day.
It is all garbage anyway.
Morning,TaT.
good afternoon sir.
hey freddie
that Paul Collingwood is a bloody boring player, he’s put me to sleep twice today already
Well done Freddie – fuking hell that was close
I support crystal palace and they are basically shit
I support the Tories and they have become ,
in the face of the easiest open goal in the history of politics
SHIT
Sounds like you’ve been infected by the Jonah virus. Give us all a chance. Don’t even look at Palace’s results for 2 seasons and ignore the next 3 GE’s.
There ain’t no fucking Tory party anymore. There never was under Thatcher, neither. They’re all pinko shits masquerading as Conservatives. Dave’s hopeless. I won’t be voting for ANY of the KUNTS. They can all get FUCKED.
Me nyvver
Over Taxation on Fuel was one of the main causes for the recession. Energy cost here in the UK is 35% more than ouir global competitors, how does Brown and his Knacker government expect business to compete with that Collar on. These Politicians are vacous word generators and once you look behind what they are saying it soon becomes apparent that they are full of Sh-t
Utter cocks. We’re all socialists now – wankers.
O/T – this is a bloody great article on Afghanistan
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v31/n13/stew01_.html
That is an excellent article. Daring to pose the question of how much Afghanistan really matters when thinking about national security and suggesting it doesn’t alters the perspective and challenges all those easy assumptions about fighting the ‘right war’.
The September the 11th terrorist atrocity was organised there.
The main problem with Afghanistan/Pakistan is that they are not real countries. They are pre-civilisation tribal groupings with technology dumped on them.
AC1, yes, that was my point. Locating all the terrorists in a country and trying to fix that country is spurious, since, as you say those areas are not a country in the way we would recognise, but are merely land with a label. It is a waste of lives and time to try and sort out something which is an historical construct when the threat to national security lives elsewhere.
In that case it might be better to enforce a quarantine.
O/T The evil MOD and treasury have plans to cut the troop numbers in Helmand.
They have sourced vehicles rejected by the Yanks as unsafe, and the Choppers are not on the way.
Brown is a liar, and an Incompetent.
They are allowing our Forces personnel to be killed and maimed, whilst they still throw aid to corrupt Countries.
O/T but relevant to this.Why do we have 23,000 troops plus another 23,000 support staff in Germany?We are not at war with Germany.Of course the German economy is richer by 1.5 billion euros all courtesy of the British taxpayer. British troops are also stationed in many parts of the world that as far as I know we have no conflict with. Why are they there? We should be told especially as we are paying for their children to be educated at top British public schools. If troops are not fighting in Afghanistan or Iraq they should be at home. unless of course the MOD is being paid by foreign governments for peace-keeping operations..
Meanwhile lest we forget the presses are aprinting….
“….take a cold look at the evidence and then ask themselves if they’ve got the guts to help expose the madness of the current policy consensus – the debt-funded fiscal boosts, the non-conditional bank bail-outs and, above all, QE”
Liam Halligan in:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/liamhalligan/5742424/QE-just-acting-as-a-sugar-rush-for-insolvent-banks-that-deserve-to-fail.html
Thankfully, the BoE stuck two fingers up to Brown last week, and tore up his credit card. The printing presses stopped… lets’s hope this is a return to sound economics.
Yes, this was a direct rebuff to Gordoom, by Merv the swerve.
The best form of defence is attack. like Mrs T did. This just makes the Tories look weak and timid. They must take Labour head on.
The Tories are still on the back foot they must come out of it and pull Labour to piecies all the time.
Yes, that has worked very well in Afghanistan.
That shouldn’t be difficult should it ?! Why have the Lib Dems become war like all of a sudden? Their stance on the Iraq war was commendable, and I’m sure won them much approval, but to back the war v Afghanistan is incomprehensible!
I liked your recipe for pumpkin risotto.
First – clear out the negatives – than attack!!
Depends how the official announcment is handeled.
Blazing indignation that this can no longer be afforded would damage the Labour party.
Also, I’ve been worrying about how this will play after the election as well. There will be huge public spending cuts and Labour can’t be allowed to escape the blame by claiming it’s the result of Tory tax cuts. Ridiculeous I know, but that’s politics.
Stupid stupid stupid Cameron. A very bad move. They must cut free from the tax on assets/tax on work ethic. What they should be doing is making it very clear that the free ride is over — if you want benefits, you work for them, not more tax on people who are working already and have the temerity to want to pass on the results to their families.
Being the biggest opposition party the Tories are naturally the focus of opposition to the tired, statist, incompetent and venal ZaNu Liebore government.
Yet Cameron’s Tories are proving useless. They don’t attack ZaNu when they have an open goal. More importantly, we will have to have 10 years of austerity to pay for McDebt’s profligacy, and the Tories could be preparing the electorate for this: it will be too late when they get into power.
I have given up with the Tories.
First part, OK – the first 10K should be tax exempt – then cutting the basic rate? To what? Flat tax? 25%? How the fuck will that bring jobs?
Guido m’dear – there needs to be investment in manufacturing jobs, that green economy is available if dumb politicians got their act together, in the UK – do you really think that the bank wanks are going to invest in those or, unsurprisingly, quick buck policies that they can influence Dave and Gordy in?
Why not, using your logic of ‘tax cutter’ just get rid of income tax – or all tax – and leave the world up to idiotic, and stupid, libertarian policies of anarchy?
We need less waste and a much, much more efficient system of taxation – but cutting the tax intake just doesn’t do what you want it to do.
That, love, has been the problem for the last 30 years of Tory government – and Dave isn’t going to change that!
The Government are going to Do Green alright. By the time they have finished CCS will add another 45% to your electricity. The only way you would be able to pay that is if someone else is. No wonder politicians don’t mind as they don’t.
We can’t afford to work in the UK we can’t afford to do research in the UK as we have been taxed and regulated to death. UK industry is being killed off by UK Politicians, and don’t let Thatcher off the hook, she wanted lean Companies that go broke as soon as they catch a cold.
Green Economy – think Tulip Bulbs, South Sea Bubble, Dot.com boom – it’s all the fucking same.
++Claps++
…and worse
Spot on.
They never learn.
Agreed. I wouldn’t mind paying more for energy if the money was invested in low carbon nuclear energy as it delivers the power. But to be fleeced and at the same time have 100,000 windmills (all requiring back-up as they don’t work) blighting the landscape is insufferable.
Please read this book, Cameron especially:
http://www.withouthotair.com/
++polite golf clap++
I’ve heard the Hammer of Collective Socialism blamed for many things, but never before the adoption of the JIT supply theory by british firms. The Baroness called the pensions crisis in the mid 80’s and was roundly castigated. The free-market solution of closely supervised Company pension schemes supported by Government tax breaks created a “flood plain” in economic cash flows which could well have mitigated our present woes. Salvatoe Mundi, in the first of many acts of blinkered class-envy, drained the flood plain. Browns’ condemation of millions of Britons to state-supported penury in old age, is merely a contender for the title of “Greatest Offence” against the People of the UK.
Condemnation
Sort of agree with MI6.
If we want to manufacturer in the UK and do research the Government needs to get out of the way. I don’t understand why people would assume we need government intervention and planning when the industrial revolution occured without any of this.
Thatcher’s policies definatly killed some viable companies; but the large nationalised industries needed to be cleared away. They where not only a drain on the public purse but they also creamed off the best and brightest engineers and scientists to work in industries that were, economically speaking, dead.
I don’t blame Thatcher for the devistation to the industries where I live, I blame the previous 30 years of socialist, stateist solutions that stagnated the economy leaving us with infrastructure and companies that should have died long before 1981.
If you reduce the taxes on the poor, then it becomes a lot easier to create those manufacturing jobs because you can pay people less and they still have the same post-tax income. It also makes the tax system more efficient as you don’t have to tax people and then give them the money back as tax credits and other benefits.
If ‘tax cutter’ logic inevitably leads to anarchy, presumably your logic must lead to giving all our money to the government so that they can figure out the most efficient way for us to spend it.
++Nicely put++
If you really think we need to invest in manufacturing jobs and the green sector, you and all those who regularly claim the same could actually go and do it yourselves.
If its such a good prospect and so important to us, put your money where your mouth (keyboard?) is – don’t just argue that the rest of us should be forced into it by the government.
Vestas Blades, the UK’s largest green employer on the Isle of Wight are closing down their factory at the end on the month, with 600+ jobs going. They are moving to China and America where the investment via the state is much higher. Do it or don’t, the current policy is a half hearted measure.
China can waste their own money.
“Green” is a synonym for financial Waste.
However “Energy Efficiency” is not.
The problem with “Green” is that it imposes a burden on the rest of us, either in tax or legislation compliance.
A good example is the new Air Passenger Duty increases coming in next year. As nowhere else is doing this the biggest loser will be BA. Flying BA to Sydney will attract over 400 quid in tax, whereas travelling from the UK to Paris, Amsterdam, Dubai or Abu Dhabi, and then on to Sydney will attract much less tax, therefore the flight is cheaper overall.
When it comes to manufacturing, green regulation is useless unless China and Taiwan also comply.
Warning the above poster is an economic idiot.
Manufactured goods are just a proxy for time.
Most of the economy of the country is internal and you focus on the small amount of exports (which is silly).
Your whole view of economics is completely bass-ackwards.
1/ Taxes on income harm time exchange.
2/ Government is not a good investor.
3/ We need to get rid of the love of credit.
4/ Falling house affordability* is not a good thing (ratio to av-incomes).
If you want to tax anything tax Land.
Ground-rents are a still more proper subject of taxation than the rent of houses. A tax upon ground-rents would not raise the rents of houses. It would fall altogether upon the owner of the ground-rent, who acts always as a monopolist, and exacts the greatest rent which can be got for the use of his ground. More or less can be got for it according as the competitors happen to be richer or poorer, or can afford to gratify their fancy for a particular spot of ground at a greater or smaller expense. In every country the greatest number of rich competitors is in the capital, and it is there accordingly that the highest ground-rents are always to be found. As the wealth of those competitors would in no respect be increased by a tax upon ground-rents, they would not probably be disposed to pay more for the use of the ground. Whether the tax was to be advanced by the inhabitant, or by the owner of the ground, would be of little importance. The more the inhabitant was obliged to pay for the tax, the less he would incline to pay for the ground; so that the final payment of the tax would fall altogether upon the owner of the ground-rent. The ground-rents of uninhabited houses ought to pay no tax.
Both ground-rents and the ordinary rent of land are a species of revenue which the owner, in many cases, enjoys without any care or attention of his own. Though a part of this revenue should be taken from him in order to defray the expenses of the state, no discouragement will thereby be given to any sort of industry. The annual produce of the land and labour of the society, the real wealth and revenue of the great body of the people, might be the same after such a tax as before. Ground-rents and the ordinary rent of land are, therefore, perhaps, the species of revenue which can best bear to have a peculiar tax imposed upon them.
Adam Smith
We should have been investing in nuclear but the greens and the reds have been putting the kibosh on that for years. Obviously the country cannot meet its power needs on bird slicers. We’d need so many wind turbines that the land would take off like a bloody great sycamore seed the first decent blow we’d have.
Now suddenly we realise that we cannot avoid buildng nuclear power stations so we have got the friggin French building five of them for us. That’ll cost.
Could take a look at Singapore:
Personal taxes are low and Corporate tax is 17%
However all other expenditure is taxed, Roads are tolled via usage (ERP Cards automatically deduct payment upon entry)
Telepone and transport cards are pre-paid – the government always has advance revenue income
Cars are bought by “entitlement” and cost nearly 2.5 times the cost in UK but public transport is superb and affordable.
Small country but originally modelled on the UK of the 1950’s.
The system works and the country is riding out the recession relatively comfortably.
Might also be worth noting their neighbour Indonesia whose recent Presidential election has indicated a clear 62% majority by the voters! (Results should be ratified end of this month)
Food for thought?
If the Tories do this, they are morons – throwing away the one thing that spooked Brown into bottling an election and Darling into cutting Inheritance Tax.
Agreed, let’s see some clear water between the parties so people actually have a choice to make.
If you want to help the poor then raise the income tax threshold above what someone ears working 40 hours a week for the minimum wage…
If the Tories leagalised then taxed the Drugs they would help themselves on Revenue of 6 Billion a year, which the exchequer misses out on, not to mention the money that would be saved in the futile war on Drugs being waged and lost by the Criminal justice system. A total waste of money. Ah and we could bring our troops back from Afghanistan and save a few more Billion. This Government wants to stop waging War its expensive and they keep losing. No wonder the economy is Fu–ed
You are right about legalising drugs and subsequently taxing them. Governments all over the world have tried to stamp out drugs by declaring them illegal, but it has always been futile and self-defeating. One would think that the world would have learned its lesson from 1930’s American prohibition of alcohol – that was a useless waste of time which allowed organised crime to flourish like never before. The money that Al Capone and his contemporaries made out of prohibited alcohol was lost to the state instead of coming in as tax and it cost a fortune in futile attempts to enforce such a ridiculous law. One of the problems is the arrogance of politicians who believe that if they legislate against something, it will go away! These idiots never learn.
Plus smackheads can hurry up and kill themselves rather than expensive prison or treatment – simples.
Problem with that is the organised crime will move to other areas and crime will rise there. Dsplacement it is called.
Displacement is not inevitable – it could, like the Mafia, move into legitimate business (and who doesn’t like owning a monopoly?). Besides, “organized crime” depends on your PoV – troughing at Westminster? OTC derivatives?
Do you honestly think that criminals are just too busy with selling drugs to get involved in anything else?
You can’t just put in a transfer request to the Bank Robbery division if the drug market dries up. If you reduce the number of items that are illegal, you reduce the black market because you take away a huge chunk of their customers. You also reduce aquisitive crime because Threshers won’t accept car stereos as payment.
Agreed, you’ve never going to stop the problem so you might as well regulate and tax it – raises revenue, frees up the police to concentrate on other things and reduces the cost to the NHS of accidental overdoses, people taking all sorts of other shit someone sold them etc…
Let us also legalise sex work in all its forms. A reduction in policing and court costs, an increase in tax revenue and increased safety in working conditions for the men and women doing the work.
It’s the government hypocrisy that pisses me off, all these so called dangerous drugs being illegal while collecting taxes from tobacco sales the use of which is causing the premature deaths of over 300 people a day in the UK, I have lost several family members and close friends due to tobacco.
Yeah with you on this. There is however no politician that will ever do this. Amsterdam/Holland was supposed to be the first country showing the way. Sadly nobody else followed so ended up turning Amsterdam into a drug holiday hotspot and got the wrong crowds. Now it is cracking down on coffee shops etc. It’s always a political no no if a child dies. Even though that same child can die by taking something illegal then that’s ok.
Congratulations everyone! I’ve seen more common sense in this sub-thread than I’ve ever heard spouted from Westminster & the MSM in my entire life. Keep up the good work.
As a medical professional I would agree with the above. The current laws have created a monstrous narco-economy, so large that it is in the top three global economic sectors. And that not only fuels crime, it is also enough to buy lawyers, politicians and other assorted pillars of society, to the point where we are seeing the emergence of narco-states.
The last thing the criminal syndicates want is legalisation, and they have a powerful vested interest in the status quo. Whenever I see some worthy spouting about the need for strong(er) sanctions and laws, I immediately wonder – what’s their take?
Given human nature, legislation, regulation and taxation are the least worst way to go.
CIA one of the biggest players in narco-market. Drugs exported from Afghanistan have increased since war started. Convenient way to justify greater investment in UK Police services & increased surveillance of us.
Portugal did
As with ‘Dangerous Dogs’, ‘Guns’, and so on, the situation with Drugs is a classic case of Politicians Making Matters Infinitely Worse. I’m old enough to remember Harold Wilson (‘Who he?’) and it was during one or other of his ignoble Ministries, I think, that a Doctor was found to be sitting in the concourse of one of the London Railway Stations (sorry, youngsters, that’s what a ‘train-station’ was called, in the old days), writing out Prescriptions for Opiates, Stimulants, Anti-depressants, et al., to all and sundry for a few shillings (1 Shilling=5p.) a time: druggies got their fix, Doctor got his income, NHS probably lost a little bit of money. If you lived in Scarborough or Scorrier, Peel or Pwhlelli, the rail-fare would have made it un-economic, and, in any case, if you lived in any of those places, you were probably quite content with the drug Alcohol, and, if you were too young, or couldn’t afford it, you went and did other things. Along comes Big Government, makes a great splash of STOPPING THIS GHASTLY TRADE (any TRADE that doesn’t give the Government a fat cut is, by definition, GHASTLY), the freedom of Doctors to prescribe is curtailed, drugs are ‘classified’, penal sentences enacted… so, as in ‘Prohibition’ in America, a niche-market, ready to be exploited to the max. is seized by the Mafia, or at least ‘the criminal community’: up goes the price of a fix; bang goes one Doctor’s income…. and ‘the criminal community’ seizes its opportunity to black-market its wares all over the country, people get burgled (‘a crime against Property’), mugged (‘a crime against Property’), shoplifting becomes endemic, rather than epidemic (‘a crime against Property’… ‘a victimless crime’), lives, on both sides, are ruined, the whole country made tawdry and nasty… just notice, too, how ‘The Dangerous Dogs Act’ has made it popular for people to have Rottweilers, Pit-bulls, and other unattractive animals as their ‘pets’. Shootings have exponentially increased since the ‘knee-jerk’ reaction to Dunblane, stabbings …
The trouble is, the apparently stupidest people are able to out-manoeuvre, out-smart, the Politicians, who are so busy ‘triangulating’ and ‘finessing’ and ‘nuancing’ that they have lost sight of the fact that, if it’s all only about being ‘on the make’, the people will beat them at their own game.
Interesting analysis.
How about charging a toll for lorry drivers from abroad to use our roads? We have to pay when we use theirs.
Illegal under EU Law, you would have to tax everyone who used the roads, wait a minute, its already coming via Gallileo Satellite.
You will be taxed for every mile you travel when the system is operational. Digital cameras will be used as enforcement and automated fines, for anyone trying to dodge travel taxation. Good eh?
Galileo has one ‘L’. It is coming, internationally, so perhaps we could support British companies who are working on this technology and not subbing it out to foreign bidders as usual.
Er, if that’s so why do you spell it (correctly) with two?
(All the world loves a smartarse!)
Another expensive attempt at replication of the real world using I.T. to complicate what already happens . Proportional road pricing / mileage toll. It’s called fuel duty, you pay for what you consume. simples (well it could be)……
The reason the Government is so keen on road pricing is because once we are all in electric cars they will no longer be able to tax fuel. You can either charge you car from the mains or wire up a windmill and power is from that. Road charging would enable them to tax everyone.
That taxation will, I suppose, be sold to us as an essential green tax?
The weak point of green taxes must surely be that you have to use more resources to pay the tax so, no yup I see where this is going. Oh it’s all too much for a Sunday…. Time for pub lunch.
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Not so. The German Maut system plus the Eurovignette which operates in the Benelux countries only applies to vehicles over 12Tonnes in weight.
Another good reason to get the fuck out of the stinking EU.
Guido, Rusty McBroon bottled the election in 2007 – followed rapidly by Northern Crock and the HMRC missing CDs. Please do keep up….
Amended.
Guido. I don’t like the general level of taxation any more than you do but postponing the inheritance tax cuts is not only politically pragmatic, it makes economic sense. The Tories and elements of the MSM not controlled from the Bunker have exposed the vacuity of Brownian economics and the Electorate are expecting hard times. I estimate that we’ll go into the next GE close to the bottom of the double dip of the Brown-enhanced Slump and that the first thing the Tories will have to do is convince the world of their economic probity. The inflation at present concealed by dodgy manipulation of the CPI and RPI will become unconcealable and any tax breaks will have to be aimed at the poorest just to allow them to put food on the table. The collapse in house prices (still a long way to go) will drastically reduce the number of estates liable to IT, and there are plenty of legal ways available to ordinary people to further decrease liability. The richest in the land have by complying completely with the Law have already removed the remotest possibility of paying IT anyway.
Concealed inflation? Moot point, GOM. The vast amounts of free money pumped in to the world’s economies are staggering, yet they are dwarfed by the destruction of credit; and further negated by continuing undercapacity in manufacturing. IMHO we are in for more deflation – a few years, perhaps – before the inflationary forces reveal themselves.
You assume that monetary inflation can do something about credit deflation.
They are different.
Anti-Citizen, they are certainly different things, but if you have enough apples on one side of the balance they will outweigh the oranges on the other side.
The total amount of credit destruction so far is about $14 trillion in the US alone, compared to the £2 trillion amount spent by the Treasury and the Fed on monetization and fiscal stimulus, so there is a major gap between the capital lost and the new capital provided. Add in the current output gap and that looks like a deflationary environment to me – at least in the short term.
Thanks for the reply.
I see deflation continuing, but only for goods normally bought using credit (houses, cars). Other items will see inflation.
AC1, you may well be right, although I think it’s still hard to call. Consumer confidence is low, savings ratios are up, demand for almost everything apart from essentials is down, and low demand is feeding right back to the primary producers (inc China). Hence oil prices tending downwards, and that in turn impacting on food, textile etc production.
This is probably pretty short term – maybe not more than a year or so – and then we’ll see be inflation and, if we’re unlucky, and the BoE, FED etc cock it up, hyper-inflation. At that point, it’s a new game.
Being prone to mild paranoia, I’m not taking any chances. The voices in my head told me to sell out at the top of the market, and buy good arable land in a remote area, in civilised Europe but outside the UK. I’ve still got a few working years in me, but mainly it’s a lifeboat for my children.
AC1, you could well be right although I think it’s still early to call. Consumer confidence has taken a battering, savings ratios are way up, discretional spending is down and this is impacting all the way back down the chain to the primary producers (inc China). Hence oil prices trending down, and that will affect the prices of food and other basics.
This can only be temporary, and we have other things to look forward to, maybe as early as a year and maybe as much as 36 months – it’s a big system with vast numbers of subs-systems (sorry, I don’t mean to sound like Charles Fuck-Whitte here). Inflation certainly, and if we’re unlucky and the BoE, FED, ECB etc cock it up, hyper-inflation. At which time, all bets are off.
Anyhoo, I’m prone to an objectively reasonable degree of paranoia. The voices in my head told me to sell out at the top of the market and buy good arable land, in a civilised part of the world. I’ve got a few years of working left in me, but it’s mainly a lifeboat for my kids. I think what I mean by that is that most of us are tribal to some extent (not so very different from those Afghans), and when push comes to shove we will prioritise those we love and identify with, encouraged no doubt by our genes.
It is good to think more widely and to spread the net of interdependencies, and the nation state probably could not have been successful if that were not so. But here again the UK has unique problems. Disproportionate numbers and types of immigrants have weakened the social fabric considerably, and the degree of coherence needed to survive hard times may no longer exist.
Hope I’m wrong.
I tend to agree however with your view that demand will lower price however I see the pound falling faster than that and this creates import inflation.
Farmland is also my guess at best “store of value”, so congratulations.
No surprise with this except that the non-election farce was in 2007 not 2008 as you state.
Written pre-coffee, now amended.
I must remember that one next time I fuck up.
You’ve missed a lot of coffees Mr Brown.
Guido,
You say “The public already knows the terrible truth …(about Labour’s debt disaster)” but I don’t see much sign of that. Business does, for sure, but the great British public? Not so sure about that.
DZ
I speak to bozo’s on financial matters every day. Mr Average Jo simply has no idea just how bad this could get or what’s caused it. Many think it’s just another scare story and everything will be up and running again by Chrsitmas. Going back to ‘normal’ is the phrase. House prices will recover again – and quickly
I try to explain. I might as well be talking to my Grandma with Alzheimers.
Suckers.
Agreed, most pundits think this is a temporary blip in their escalating house prices being valued at £25 million with Gordon Brown continuing to blow-up a balloon which a ginormous rip in it so he can ‘buy-off’ the public sector share of the votes.
As long as they’ve got the tele a sofa, and a super market close by everything in the garden is rosy.
Is this a problem though?
Last week I was drinking with two economists who where insisting to me public ignorance and apathy is important for economic success.
Their thesis was that in the 90’s Japan had tried fiscal stimuli but failed because the Japanese people were smart enough to know this would mean future tax rises and so they continued to save and pay down debt.
Personally, I think it all sounds a little bit dangerous keeping the wool over peoples eyes but then I guess that’s why I’m a Chemist instead.
Wool, though, over the mouth and nose, with chloroform, can be remarkably effective
The public, about 45% or so, who do vote do know.
The others just winge in their beer.
Odd how we are returning to a self-selecting democratic system where only the better-off have and use their vote.
Not sure it’s better off. I’m not sure you can generalize who votes (obviously those with CCJs don’t as they can flog your details) but it seems rich or poor, thick or clever, young or old, various races etc – can’t really put your finger on it. Quite strange really. But yeah, the franchise is organizing itself.
“The franchise is organizing itself”
Spot on. Once a critical mass of people support the measures necessary they’ll become essentially unstoppable (note: Thatcherism).
The opposition will exist in two form
The people Barry identifies as whining in to their Beers – irrelevant as they don’t act.
The second will be forced in to reacting to events rather than acting and so won’t be able to form a credible alternative. These will exist in the press, in political parties (all of them) and the trade unions.
The UKs real problem in one word?
Envy.
Most of the public would like to punish the successful. This attitude is immensely economically harmful.
Exactly.
Envy and poverty of ambition
The “welfare” state is the main vector for teaching poverty of ambition.
as usual anticitizen your contributiont to the debate is garbage.
the UK’s real problem in two words?
rewarding failure.
in the public and private sectors.
do you think fred the shred and all the other criminal bankers are worth their wages, bonuses and pensions?
in order to ensure the bankers do not repeat their mistake we should follow President Obama’s policy of taxing all financial sector bonuses at 90%.
we have got to do that to keep the lid on inflation or we will never repay our country’s debts.
innit.
Tat you’re en economic pygmy.
I think that those companies shouldn’t have been bailed out. The directors of bankrupt companies should get nothing.
It’s the government that rewards failure.
It’s the government that signed Basel2 that stopped them regulating their own currency monopoly.
I’m against rewarding failure or moral-hazard as it’s called in economics.
Watch the USA. Aint going to happen.
Wall Street is reigning supreme…………
So, No point in voting Tory as it is now confirmed that Dave ain’t no Tory.
UKIP it is then.
Good idea! Then we get Broon back again, because UKIP has no chance in a general election, apart from sodding up the anti labour vote.
We may as well have Brown back, since both he and Camoron are both vacuous socialist wankers. The only difference between them is Camoron looks more or less human whereas Brown has a face like a wet winter’s morning in Fife.
Defections to UKIP will be more than compensated for by homicidally pissed off tribal Labour voters voting for the BNP.
Only those who vote Conservative will ensure a likely Labour return. Don’t believe this bollocks about ‘Don’t vote for UKIP’. Folk in the uSA were told the same about voting for Ron Paul and they regret it now that they listened.
And New labour have never been Labour.
Yep both parties are corporatist.
I’m voting UKIP.
I think the deficit is a lot more than anyone really knows. The truth (there’s a laugh) will only come out when labour is voted out. It’s been said many times before but this country really is in the shit!!!!!!
I’m longing (after newlabour are out) to find out how much we are really in the shit. At least then we can start improving the situation, instead having to put up with newlabour’s lies.
House prices (which make up the bulk of most peoples inheritance) have dropped significantly in recent months so shelving the Inheritance tax cut is not a big issue for most.
What is a much more bigger issue is to get rid of the imbeciles currently in charge of this country so I applaud whatever the tories do and whatever the tories promise to fullfil this single-minded goal.
The answer is simple cut expenditure. Set a 15% real terms budget cut in 2010/2011 for health, education, and ‘benefits’. Also collect unpaid taxes and abolish cretinous and ruinously inefficient spending on tax ‘credits’. The cuts have to be more than the current deficit of 13.5%
It will not be easy as the most important source of public information is fully bought into the public teat ideology. There is only one area for cutting approved of by our CND educated state broadcaster – hence the ‘public’ debate about the future of Trident. BBC stance:
Olympics = £20 billion for a two week party – “A good thing” and will “regenerate” bits of London
Replacement of Trident = £20 billion (over 30 years) “Unaffordable immoral and pointless”
Which is more relevant when presented with a hat full of demented Ayatollahs waving H bombs about – a few drug enhanced ‘athletes’ spoon fed from public funds or a minimum credible deterrent?
How we and the BBC can justify throwing all those billions of pounds down the Olympic drain in just two weeks beggars belief.
Actually the BBC is pro London Olympics because they stand to make a shedload of dosh out of them, not that we the licence payer will see any of it thoughh.
BY al means scrap the Olympics but you have been buying inot Labour propaganda spending figures if you think Trident is goin to cost £20 Billion over 30 years.
(As we know Brown is superb with figures.)
Baed on the official figures invluding the minatenance and running costs it’s £76 Billion. And that’s assuming it’s on time and on budget which as we know is a racing certainty for any massive Defence procurement.
New Trident is a Luxury. A shiny toy for the Navy when soldiers are dying from lack of basic equipment.
It’s simply a delivery stystem and a delivery syystem that relies on American targetting technology, Defense Satellites and Norad. It is not and never was independent.
Serious people in the military are questioning it’s value based as it is on Mutually Assured Destruction and not a rogue state or fictitious hatfulls of Terrorist with Nuclear Technology. How effective would Trident be in targetting Al Qaeda exactly ?
Eliminating Trident would not eliminate the Nuclear stockpile or existing delivery sytems just one particular delivery system based on cold war thinking.
Where did the £76 billion figure come from? – it must include every fictitious on cost (e.g. ‘opportunity costs’ of not buying multi use civic center in Neasden, £2m) ever conceived. I don’t believe it at all. £20bn may be too low but £76 is garbage. Trident is the most ’survivable’ solution – if a deterrent is not not survivable it is not a deterrant. Air launched cruise missiles are not credible – and presumably with no carriers (predicted cancellation date June 2010) there will be no ability to target distant lands. I suspect that the solution is to replace Trident and some tactical weapons as well, using the tested We177 design
I thought the Olympics were an utter waste of money before the revelation of our financial position – now they are an “obscenity” to steal a phrase from CND
Riiiiight. So you actually believe Brown’s figures do you ?
Best not listen to all that rubbish about the non-existence father christmas and the tooth fairy while you are at it.
The £76bn figure is based on the value the government has put on the cost of the existing Trident system – £14.9bn – plus the percentage of the £30bn defence budget now devoted to Trident for 30 years.
The original purpose of Trident was to discourage aggression against the UK, its allies and its interests from the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact.
That situation no longer applies. And it was as it is now a situation of interdependence on the U.S. for both detterence and use.
Perhaps you’ve heard of NATO ? Or the fact that Britain is still host to approximately 110 tactical B61 nuclear bombs stored at RAF Lakenheath for deployment by USAF F-15E aircraft ?
Trident is an enormously costly exercise in vanity that gets Britain a seat on the Security council but ignores the fact that it is utterly unthinkable that, because of the catastrophic consequences for guilty and innocent alike, these weapons would ever be launched, or seriously threatened, without the backing and support of the U.S.
Cameron has already refused to ring-fence spending on Trident, amid growing speculation in Westminster that he may be ready to scrap it. Such a move has the backing of shadow chancellor George Osborne.
Any country threatened by or on the recieving end of a Nuclear tipped cruise missile would find it’s supposed lack of “credibility” somewhat problematic to say the least.
Terms like “credible” and “survivable” are simply jargon downplaying the unparalleled destructive power and detterence these weapons posess whatever the delivery system.
Agree. Somebody’s going to make a whole heap of money out of the Olympics, but it won’t be the people. We’ll be arraigned with the usual ’scandal stories when it’s all over, plus the horrendous debts. One of the worst things that could have happened to the country, winning the Olympics…. France are thanking their lucky stars they lost out. Blame it on Blair and T Jowell, and Coe et al…..
Plus there’ll be even more coverage in the media than usual. I’m making a contingency plan to avoid dying of boredom.
“UK can’t afford another fiscal rescue, warns IMF”:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5804507/UK-cant-afford-another-fiscal-rescue-warns-IMF.html
“Britons will be poorer in coming decades”:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5806407/Britons-will-be-poorer-in-coming-decades.html
That first article is well worth a read.
As Labour and the Conservatives prepare themselves for a likely general election next June, political debate has become dominated by their respective plans to cut spending over the coming years. However, the IMF figures underline the fact that even before the threat of spending cuts, Britain is facing a comparative squeeze next year because of its fiscal position.
According to the IMF calculations, Britain is spending 1.5pc of gross domestic product on emergency measures this year, largely constituting the temporary VAT cut. This compares to 2pc in the US, 4.1pc in Russia and 2.7pc in Japan. The average stimulus within the G20 next year is 1.6pc, compared with Britain’s zero percent contribution.
OUCH!!
It is not inheritance tax that frightens people, it is a lack of inheritance to tax.
The State forces its elderly citizens to reside in elderly care/nursing homes and then the state seizes the money of those elderly citizens who have troubled to build an inherritance. If Dave was to sort ths out then he would walk home into 10 Downing street.
The present system of spend spend spend all your life ans then the State will care for you versus save save save all your life and the State will seize it, pisses people off.
*Applauds*
+More Applause+
and Yes.
Agreed.In my experience this is the fear of far more pensioners,especially as their home is almost all they have,they have worked decades for it,paid for it out of taxed income and cannot see the fairness of it being sold to pay fees when the state will pay the same fees in full for those who have not (in their eyes)bothered to be self-sufficient at all.
It costs the average middle class pensioner who owned (!) a house about £750 per week to stay in residential ‘care’ (a single room of 9m sq with a locker and a half trained care assistant asking “are you all right there Dolly” twice a week.) The standard of these places is very low and deeply depressing – a motorway travel lodge is MUCH better and loads cheaper.
For this, the state steals the home that Dolly has lived in all her life and no doubt scrimped to pay for during previous economic collapses. Were she to decide to invest her home in crack, a trip to the races and a month long booze binge of a ‘Brewsters Millions’ approach she would get the ‘care’ for free.
The basic issue is one of transparency and equity. People do not mind paying for things – so long as the ‘playing field is even (to use the horrible socialist cliche). The NHS is universal and free at the point of delivery and the majority of the population accept that we have to pay through this through general taxation – what is the difference between being old and knackered and needing a hospital stay?
My older aunt has come up with the solution to that one! Why pay £600+ to watch other people dribble and piss themselves when you can cruise around the world continually in luxury for less!
The NHS has been split into two sections. Medical Care and Social Care. This is where it all goes pear shaped. Medical care is offered at the point of need, but social care is not.
The elderly and sick have to jump through hoops at the moment to prove that they need social care before any is granted. This is why so many old people are discharged from hospital so soon after operations.
I note “Care” being progressively substituted for “Health” in our daily propaganda rations – how soon before we hear about our National Care Service? That would be the current NHS that’s stuffed with brilliant surgeons, but in which you die from wanton failures of post-operative care. The Law of Unintended Consequences implies that sometimes what the propaganda says turns out to be true.
Just to add to the misery, don’t forget to factor in the dire return on savings at the moment.
In affect this goes for a lot of things. I busted my guts like a lot of others to get good quals and hence a good job. We paid for it all out of our taxed income we calculated something in the region of 20k between 1985 and 1991.
Now I have a resonable good job but still can’t really afford all the nice stuff but no credits for me at all. Compare with the local council estate one mile away that have brand new 4×4’s caravans and boats on the drive. Makes my blood boil and this as pointed out continues into retirement.
That’s why I am spending all of mine now.
Labour are indeed following a scorched earth policy. The Tories won’t have room to do anything with the budget. Makes a difference from 2007 when Labour came in and went spending crazy.
Er…1997
From memory, the first couple of years under Labour they followed the Tories spending plans and were relatively sensible with the public spending bills – it was only after 2000 that money started being thrown away like it was going out of fashion.
Now we are certainly seeing a scorched earth policy – they will spend whatever it takes to secure their core vote at the next election, irrespective of the fact that we can’t afford it.
Don’t be surprised to see the IMF knocking on the door sometime this autumn….
The public purse faces competing demands from all quarters and needs must be balanced. For example, Gunner Thompson in his foxhole in Afghanistan needs a new pair of boots. Gerald Kaufman, on the other hand, needs a new home cinema system. Which of them is going to get the funding? The Army wants to fit effective armour on its vehicles to protect from roadside IEDs, but equally pressing is some MP’s investment property needs dry rot treatment. Who gets the cash? There are superbugs running amok in our hospitals; we can’t afford to pay for more cleaners. Then there’s Jacqui Smith. She needs money for porn films to breath life into her clapped-out marriage. Which has the stronger case for more money?
These decisions are very finely balanced. I certainly wouldn’t want to have to make them!
Steve man (point of order Sir) – how fucking rude – it wasn’t thrown away at all, it was bloody torched.
DtP, point of order accepted. I stand corrected!
> here are superbugs running amok in our hospitals;
You need to get this “our” out of your head. In reality it is “The States” hospitals.
Under the NHS ill people are just a cost, and costs are always minimised.
don’t be so surprised, that is the commercial sector for you.
maximise profits, minimise costs and fuck the customer.
if they do not like it they can fuck off.
we must get rid of this mercenary private sector philosophy from the public sector because it is killing people.
MRSA is caused by private cleaning firms not doing their jobs, not the NHS.
private companies will maximise profits even if it means murder.
we must keep a tight leash on the public setor and private sector.
try not to allow your hatred for public services and paying tax allow your mind to conflate two completely separate issues.
there’s a good cripple.
many thanks.
Thick AT
Private hospitals have a much better record of Hospital Acquired infections, they are also properly cleaned as people can choose where they get treatment….
Without real choice the staff can get away with anything.
Read examples of death and injury caused by bureaucratic rationing at the group blog http://nationaldeathservice.blogspot.com/
http://quqnoos.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3313&Itemid=48
Mine-Resistant Vehicles Flow into Afghanistan
The US is going to send thousands of more anti-mine vehicles to protect American troops against roadside bombs
The top US officer, Admiral Mike Mullen, said Thursday that Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) have allowed Taliban attacks against the new deployed troops in Afghanistan to become more sophisticated.
According to Mullen, the US army will soon send thousands of Mine Resistant Ambush Protected (MRAP) armored vehicles – built specifically for the mission in Afghanistan.
The top US military commander predicated that US personnel casualties will spike during the upcoming tough months, ahead of the Afghan presidential and provincial council elections in August.
“From an equipment standpoint, there’s no higher priority than to get these vehicles in theater as rapidly as we can,” Mike Mullen said.
When Newlabour came in to office the country’s finances were in a pretty good state. Ken Clarke had done a good job. Newlabour came in to government and everything went haywire. They were total amateurs so they had to develop a well oiled spin machine in order to hide they’re inadequacies and mistakes. Things soon lurched from bad to worse, so, money (that should have been kept for a rainy day) was wastefully spent to please this lobby , that lobby.
Money was thrown about willy nilly with no thought of tomorrow. Money that should have been spent on building up the infrastructure of the country, in health, education, industry, etc, , was wasted on managers, quangos, PFIs, bad deals concerning the NHS etc etc. and other extravagant procedures that, as yet we know nothing, and that not including the wars v Iraq and Afghanistan etc.
Sorry did it again, should be ‘their’. Lynne Truss, where are you now?!
Sorry, I’m commatose
She can’t come to the phone, she’s having a colonic
Should sort out my contractions.
They’re next. Having the works.
He just shoots and leaves. Still eats though.
Sorry, but who is Lynne Truss?
A champion of punctuation and grammar.
Lynne Truss, do you mean your conjugations?
It’s about the BBC isn’t it? Fuck all to do with labour – purely kneeling before the almighty moralists at the BBC and doing “what is right!”
They always struggled to get tax cuts past Pravda; I guess they just figure to wint he election on a not-Labour platform (should be easy) then get to work…
UK can’t afford another fiscal rescue, warns IMF – Daily Telegraph
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5804507/UK-cant-afford-another-fiscal-rescue-warns-IMF.html
GB and Argentina!!! Everyone else is preparing a 2% stimulus to their economies as required.
The FT is reporting that Dave & co could increase VAT to 20% to address the shite they are gonna have to deal with.
I don’t think that inheritance tax will be on Public Sector workers minds when they may be in fear of not getting paid in the first place, besides Inheritance tax cuts ain’t gonna cut much ice with the IMF…..
Easy spending other peoples money Gordo, problem is this Piper now has to be paid. Time to start slaughtering some sacred cows.
and protecting our boys abroad.
I’d save that link for the Labourtrolls, just that and no comment – it’s all that needs to be to be said to them: game over!
It’s an Economy, Stupid!
wiil do….
I’ll be quite honest with my opinion here.
The “Stimulus” money will be completely wasted on the politically connected rather than spent where public demand is.
I’m glad we can’t afford a “stimulus”.
THE GOLDEN RULE:
Those with the gold, rule!
Here in New Zealand when it became obvious that the Labour party’s game was up they set about an economic scorched earth policy and openly boasted that there could be no tax cuts as there would be nothing left ‘in the pot’.
We kicked the buggers out last November and the promised tax cuts cannot, for now, be delivered, HOWEVER, John Key and the National Party are cutting and attacking waste and non-productive quangos set up by Labour are being closed.
So yes scrap the plans for getting rid of inheritance tax – BUT IN THE SAME BREATH SLASH AND BURN AND THEN SLASH AGAIN LABOUR PARTY WASTE, QUANGOS, AND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF NON-PRODUCTIVE NON-JOBS.
Crush all the single issue PC Spend ups and get the Local Authorities under control too – stop all their social engineering projects.
Yes, scorched earth is what the New Labour party is all about now, they know their going to be hammered when election time comes around and are frantically pushing through policies with time lines on them, we will do this by 2012, this by 2020, we will make it law that…in the future. We know that they have fucked up the future of some generations to come with financial incompetence on a breathtaking scale. Would anybody like to pick up the pieces?… not me, gimmy a plane ticket outta here.
NZ – absolutely fucking undoubtedly spot the fuck on. 20% fiscal cut for starters – not front line? Take a 20% cut if you earn more than £25k or fuck the fuck off – there’s the door, no – don’t you worry – we’ll manage without ya, you useless pieces of shite – byesie bye.
Why do managers get more than front line staff? Doesn’t happen anywhere else except in fucking useless orgs – fuck em. Wanna earn more cash? Do something useful then.
Exactly what ALL the banks have done to their contractors.
20+% pay cut or walk!
—”It will be spun that the dire fiscal state left to them by Brown will prevent the Tories bringing in any tax reduction.”
That will be the spin right now but it’s going to get modified by BOTH Parties as the Election draws closer and they both refuse to answer “Will you have to raise Taxes ?”
—”The trouble is, unless they slash the budget deficit they won’t be able to balance the budget in first term”
100% correct. And they also run the danger of lowering Britain’s credit rating and entering a death spiral and a second recession.
—”Dropping the inheritance tax cut will earn the Tories the right to tell the public the terrible truth about the debt disaster.”
The terrible truth is that Brown has been lowballing even these cataclysmic debt figures and Cameron knows it.
—”The public already knows the terrible truth, there is only one way out of debt, you cut spending,”
Afraid not. Cameron has already ringfenced Health which is one of the highest spending departments, Overseas aid too and he is looking distinctly shaky on whether he might do the same with Education.
If you need it spelled out to you the fact is Taxes are going UP.
Doesn’t matter if by some incredibly improbability Labour got back in or it is indeed the Tories. Some Taxes are going up to cover the shortfall.
Count on it.
Might be in Stealth Taxes, might be VAT, might be top earners or any number of ways but until you see Brown, Darling, Osborne or Cameron CATEGORICALLY and UNEQUIVOCALLY denying that some Taxes will have to go up it’s a certainty it’s going to happen.
We definitely don’t need to like it but those many Hundreds of Billions in Bailouts weren’t pretend money and the debt must be balanced soon.
If taxes rise by any significant amount without huge cuts to public spending, the economy is dead in the water – a basket case.
The problem now is lack of demand. The plebs, the government and companies have borrowed to the max. Even with interest rates as low as they are, people are no longer willing to take on more debt – only Brown is. And with unemployment rising and people now not be able or willing to finance the difference between their income and outgoings by more credit card spending or by remortgaing (their house prices have fallen hugely), there is simply NO demand.
It’s a vicious circle. More taxes, less demand, more unemployment, less demand.
The only way out is either to repay the debt over the coming years (cutting taxes?) or letting the debt be written off (let the banks go to the wall?). I fear politicians do not have the spine to do either.
A partial solution is to encourage exports to pick up; assuming other countries recover faster than we do.
Given that we have very little to export though that approach might be pissing in the wind.
Huge parts of Labour’s bloated public sector will simply have to disappear – and thank God for that. First in line for swingeing cuts should be the Town Hall Nazis all over the country. Cut them to the marrowbone and beyond. They contribute absolutely FUCK-ALL to society and cost us all a fortune.
Exactly.
They don’t even contribute they are a cancer. We will be better off morally, socially and financially with their absence.
Agreed Anti-Citizen one (hat tip to the name by the way).
Even on a moral level we’ll benefit.
This economic crisis is the best chance we’ve had to finish the job started in 1979. Is Cameron up to it? I suspect he’ll have to be whether he likes it or not!
Cut the cancer out.
Yeah, Tax Clip Boards for a start. You want a Clip Board – it will cost you half your salary mate! Don’t get me started on Traffic Wardens – It is a whole bloody industry, what with Mini Buses, uniforms, training, yellow paint manufacturers and the like.
The British people are going to be close to penury for the best part of the next decade. Whoever gets in.
Perhaps you misunderstood or I wasn’t sufficiently clear ?
I’m not saying it’s Taxes Up OR Cuts. I’m saying it’s BOTH.
The General Election will not be fought on the bullshit lies of Cuts V’s Spending it will be fought on who will cut the least & there will still be Tax rises at the end of it.
Like I said, show me a Politician telling us unequivocally that they aren’t going to put any Taxes up. It might not be on day 1 of the New Parliament but rest assured it’s going to happen.
Frankly I don’t care if someones personal opinion is that they are a flat taxer, a top end taxer, a VAT taxer, a stealth taxer or a rabid taxcutter.
It’s utterly beside the point.
The debt is catastrophic and it’s going to have to be paid down.
If you think Politicians won’t ever put Taxes up you have a lot to learn.
Whatever the Party. Current Recession or not.
Think of it like a pilot in a stall.
Pulling back on the stick (raising taxes) will slow the plane down further and we will all drop faster.
I’m not saying that “They” won’t try it.
And there are those saying cutting spending to the bone will further skyrocket unemployment reducing the Tax base and adding Billions to spending anyway through increased benefits while still sending the Economy into a steep dive.
But spending is still going have to be cut. Hard.
Like Taxes going up though it will not be a one time “quick fix” axe that will fall only on day 1 of the New Parliament.
There will be 5 years of doing both to try and manage the debt disaster.
Everyone has their own pet views on Taxation and Spending including the main Parties but there will be a bonfire of such vanities in the face of debt mountain that simply has to be climbed.
Going to the IMF and watching Britain’s sovereign debt rating collapse is the only complete unthinkable at the moment.
They, being any Politician, will most certainly be cutting Spending and putting up Taxes to avoid that ultimate nightmare scenario.
Tax Rate up = economy down = less tax take.
Osborne has said that he is in favour of a “dynamic” taxation model, ie one which allows for more than just the dry mathematical calculation of the impact in terms of cash in or out against tax rate increase or decrease.
On that basis, he ought to retain the IHT cut as the extra cash left with heirs will almost certainly be invested or spent on high value goods, all helpful to GDP growth.
In addition, he should go further with the cut in business taxes, say to 10% for all businesses, ideally, after an initial £50k tax free provided this is distributed as dividend.
Then, remove all other spurious allowances – except spending on research and development and the purchase of plant and machinery for production, (not for toilets and air conditioning as is currently allowed!)
Initially, corporate tax receipts would fall slightly, but as these are in the toilet right now, that will make little difference. As new investment is attracted, new jobs created and GDP growth accellerates, debt can be paid off and then personal taxes can be reduced and simplified as well.
The Treasury Model shows all this is within the range of probable outcomes. It is just that for the last 20 years, there has not been a leader willing to accept that you can change the frame of reference with bold tax changes and as such every tax cut has to be “costed” against the static model.
Remember, the 364 economists were wrong!
I agree that the stimulus should be directed to attracting investment. The problem here is that this is a World recession and every other country is gonna be falling over themselves to do the same. Secondly whatever we do will be slide-ruled by the EEC fuckheads in Brussels which will hamper any targeted investment to UK Inc. That said it still needs to be done to encourage companies to remain UK based.
The real need is to balance the books on a daily basis and once we know the figures I am pretty certain that even a 20% Vat rate and a standard tax rate of 25p in the £ aint gonna achieve that and then there is the issue of the huge debt to be repaid.
NewLiars have turned us into the 1st Third world country, in economic terms, in the Western World.
There is a business tax allowance on air conditioning? AND a prohibition on smoking in enclosed public spaces..?
***applause***
O’Brien, McBride, jock infested ‘British’ politics. what’s wrong with you anglo-saxon kunts? hate politics or scared of foul-mouthed jocks and gobeens?
These a-s kunts are the most timid species on the planet!
No. Speaking as someone who hasn’t got a proverbial drop of English blood in them, I have to say that I think you may have got it wrong about the essential character of the English. You need that bit of genetic distance, I think, to notice how Germanic the English are when compared their Western and Northern neighbors – for obvious reasons. The English don’t kick out as a rule, unless they have what they can consider as legitimate sanction to do so. In other words, too damn polite to riot. It is when they believe they have the approval of their government – and when that fails, their peers – them that things get interesting….
You could be on to something there. As long as we never get a Robespierre style committee.
You forgot to mention McMandleson, McPrescot, McBlunket, McHoon, McBlears, McHarman,McVas,McStraw, McHain,……wanker !
not forgetting McCampbell, McDraper, Bob McRoberts of McWorcester and Charles E McHardwidge
….and McCabinet, says it all.
Drive liebour back to jockland and let them wither in the winter.
Scummers.
Poor Scotland, you can hardly blame them for Jack the straw.
anonymous #155 you really are as thick as fuck, dont you understand sarcasm you fuckwit ??
Just you keep believing this is about the Scots you retard. Its about a manifestly destructive Political philosophy that was dreamed up in Islington as much as in Scotland but no just you think what u wanna thing stupid knobjockey that you are. Are you a labour Troll perhaps ?
I think that the place in Camberwell that went up last week should be emptied of tenants and designated the new MP’s London Housing Facility. Also the same for a few tower blocks in Peckham. Let them come and rub shoulders with those on the other side of the Street. That’ll save a few bob.
PS why haven’t Uddin et aL been arrested yet? (lest we forget..)
Nice idea.
Even Guido could set that lot alight.
After exhaustive surveys of potential investment opportunities in Great Britain we can confirm today that there is fuck all of any worth there – except the Australian Cricket touring party.
Auf Wiedersehen.
Even Buckingham Palace has a for sale notice outside and my Prime Mentallist didn’t tell.
No one involved in politics has a glimmer about Tax other than it is a presuption that its source will be there forever.
The TPA has identified waste of 100 billion a year. We taxpayers pay for SIX MILLION STATE EMPLOYEES – how hard is it to cut taxes, cut jobs in the non productive sector? It isn’t. Politicians simply lack wisdom and courage.
They would be best employed calculating how much revenue has been lost by the over three million who have emigrated since 1997 who were producers.
They would do well to start deporting aliens – and sorry that will happen one way or another whether you like it or not because when it comes to survival,
we will look after our own first. The solutions are there but they need someone with a vision for the future and the hide of a rhinoscerous. We have no such man or woman in politics in the western world, and as such we will continue to see 4000 people a WEEK emigrate from this Brownian chaos.
There are already 1000 people a month leaving our shores for a better and more cost efficient life abroad. Most of these people pay tax. How long before government slaps a tax on this to try and keep us, and our money here.
Or currency controls. That measure will be proof positive to the thickest of Joe and Jill Public that Labour are destructive, mendacious Hoons.
They’d better not, I’m off in 3 weeks!!!
Agreed. Maybe Bernie ain’t so stupid!
It may be small beer in financial temrs but the child trust fund should go immediately. Doing so while the value of them has been reduced by the fall in the stock market would cause less anger from those whose kids just miss out. Obviously the fiasco of tax credits needs to be completely abolished and replaced by a higher threshold for IT.
Who gives a swinging fcuk what the tories do or promise, as far as I’m concerned they can lie, cheat, fornicate, maturbate & deceive their way into office, anything to get rid of the current twats ruining this country.
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I have a nightmare vision; Gordon Brown cancels general elections because its “the right thing to do”….in this time of Global uncertainty, unprecedented circumstances, terrorist threat, swine flu, bin men on strike again…. White coated men with restraints, hypodermic knock out shots and tasers will be needed.
325 days maximum to next General Election
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Bye-bye NuLabour
Is it really that long? Oh well, this will keep me going.
Please don’t say that, you’re ruining my Sunday.
If the Government speeds up clone research, the Prime Minister would be able to live forever and never need to relinquish government…………………Oops…………..I shouldn’t have said that
IHT is a tax on taxed wealth that involves no purchase, work, exchange or transaction. It is racketeering, theft. It happens because the state can, not because it should.
IHT, CGT and Income Tax should be scrapped.
So the Conservatives get deeper into the Consensus Cartel and disrespect property rights.
The Libertarian Party remains.
W’ve already paid tax on the money we used to buy our homes. Why should we be taxed on it again.
Er……’cos we say so.
Exactly. IIRC, there is a principle against double taxation, let alone the objection to single taxation!
> IHT is a tax on taxed wealth that involves no purchase, work, exchange or transaction.
Eh?? The land rights are allocated to someone else (the named parties in the will).
IHT is a terrible tax, as are all transfer taxes. A land value tax is the best.
Is an allocation a purchase? No.
Is the allocation in return for work? No.
Is ther an exchange or transaction (i.e. bidirectional flow)? No.
Land Value Tax might seem good on paper when run by well meaning sorts (poss you, ACO) but at the heart it is black and red – Communism by another name.
yeah, you’ve got anticitizen’s number alright, roger.
he’s a fucking communist.
I disagree.
Communism is the state owning your time i.e. you.
Property rights are an externalisation, and should be taxed based on the value they exclude.
This is communism at “work”
Here is the target – take careful aim and shoot to kill – declare an open season on Quangos and start with ANY that Labour have set up.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1199049/VINCE-CABLE-Out-control-writhing-nest-quangos.html
Beware of flying Nokias.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6689951.ece
OT
Did the Labour govt order the murder of David Kelly?
Alastair Campbell must be crapping himself this morning:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1199109/13-doctors-demand-inquest-Dr-David-Kellys-death.html
Yesss!
Agree, it must be like a Poe story chez Campbell. His own personal MacGregor telling tales from where nobody can hush him. Frequent bumps in the night. Warranted!
That is the best news I’ve heard in ages. The notion that the Hutton inquiry was an adequate stand-in for a proper inquest was a scandal.
I will never forget watching a dignified and professional man being mocked and humiliated by a Parliamentary committee. The truth (whatever it is) would go some way towards putting those wrongs to right.
Chilling. David Kelly was a Baha’i. Suicide would be anathema to Bahais, although religion or not, we’ve all got our breaking point. Could never understand why coproxamol? It wouldn’t be my drug of choice in that scenario and cutting a wrist ain’t that easy.
Cutting a wrist is easy but dying from it isn’t. That’s why it is/used to be a favoured method of, mostly female, parasuicides trying to draw attention to themselves without seriously intending to die.
Sorry Contessa, should have been more specific, that’s what I meant.
What a bunch of knobs.
The Tories are just as useless as the Nulab tits.
Little Tory boys faffing about making an arse of themselves.
Like pubescent boy scouts with 20p to spend in a sweetie shop.
First it’s this, then it’s that; wring hands pick nose start again!
Another lot that could not run a bath!
This is the latest Labour spin: “they’re all as bad with each other so might aswell stick with the devil you know”
Desperate!! LOL
NU Lab spin, haha…
Best bet is don’t vote at all, far better than voting out one bunch of twats and relpacing with another bunch of like twats..then moaning about them afterwards.
OT, but… Amanda Patel on AM this morning… Nice tits.
Hello Tim from politicalbetting.com
Thanks.
It is obvious by the tone of Adam Boulton of Sky News, by the tone of articles now coming out of the Sun, the Times and the News of the World that Rupert Murdoch is going to make one hell of an enemy for NuLabour.
The BBC, Guardian and BA should have known better.
And here was I expecting Murdoch to back them.
Don’t count your chickens just yet. Murdoch is first and formost a businessman. If Nulabour suddenly decides to “relax” media ownership rules, just before the next election, or change legislation in someway which will benefit Sky etc, I wouldn’t be surprised to see a sudden surge of support for Snotty and his marxist chums from The Sun, Times, etc etc.
But bear this in mind – a privatised BBC would be serious and unwelcome competition for Murdoch. Is that why Callme Dave is soft-pedalling even while the BBC’s assorted lefties are busy kicking him in the goolies?
Oh Yes those stupid Labour inspired twats at the guardian have opened a pandoras box . Cant wait when it all backfires spectacularly.
what de fook has my planes got to do wit dis shite?
O/T, but the Mail on Peter Sissons: “In a wide-ranging attack, he also claims it is now ‘effectively BBC policy’ to stifle critics of the consensus view on global warming.”
Well, we’d already figured that out but nice to have it confirmed.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1199104/Peter-Sissons-BBC-standards-falling–bosses-scared-it.html
Add to that no reporting of social breakdown, indiscipline in schools and immigration concerns. According to the BBC these don’t exist.
Remember that they are socialist so it does the opposite of what it says it does.
BBC News is a news censor.
Social-Justice = punish people who’ve done no wrong.
Social-Work = Destroy families.
that is a bit rich coming from a commie like you anticitizen.
go spread your communist philosophy elsewhere.
we are not interested.
I just read that article in the telegraph that a few people have linked to. This quote from the treasury made me chuckle
[quote]
A Treasury spokesman said: “As the Chancellor has repeatedly said, we are supporting the economy now while living within our means, including by halving the deficit over five years.”[/quote]
So if we are living within our means why is so much being borrowed? Why is the boe printing to buy up our own debt?
What a fucking farce this country has become.
Printing money is just part of “our means” obviously. It is also “within our means” to borrow to the max, and the British public should do the same to ensure the great success of Liebore in UK.
Don’t be silly we all have to sing along with Gordo and get the words right – we’re investing for the future.
Why is the Observer lying in it’s front page headline today claiming that the government will send another 2,000 troops to Afghanistan?
The vile, useless Defence Minister Bill Rammell has just said there is no intention to increase troop numbers.
Other sources claim 1,500 troops are going to be withdrawn as Brown is now running scared of growing public anger.
You can’t believe a word you read in the Guardian/Observer these days.
I read that Brown was reducing troops by 1,500 because he had run out of money.
Sir Richard Dannatt, the chief of the general staff, is calling for an extra 2,000 troops but he is being criticised by Labour ministers who disagree. Like they would know.
David Crausby, a member of the Commons defence committee, said, “..Dannatt should just get on with the job. After the conflict, if there are lessons to be learnt, we should do so in a considered manner.”
There you have it: the problem will be dealt with after the conflict.
We have donkeys in charge.
Its funny how none of the “Donkeys” are present when the lads come home in body bags !!COWARDS !!!
Let’s not forget one thing: Labour hates the armed forces. Many of our wonderful caring socialists were hard left marxists when they were at uni, going on peace marches and accusing the soldiers of being murderers for being in Northern Ireland.
Labour cannot stop itself from slowly strangling the forces to death, while at the same time pretending to be “supporting our brave troops” They also know that most soldiers despise labour and will never vote for them.
NuLabour, Old Commies.
I remember when the Kinnockio the welsh windbag almost got elected. He stated openly that in the event he won his first action would be to recall the nuclear subs. A nice to have of course but at the time totally irresponsible and showed a complete lack of understanding of how the world was balanced at the time.
He lost. We breathed a sigh of relief and the Berlin wall finally fell partly as a reason for the Western world maintaining a position of strength and deterrent. It just shows their complete lack of undersatnding of the military in all its aspects.
Which no doubr will be after the election as well. Convenient.
Meanwhile the troops remain in the firing line with lack of equipment and numbers. When voted out Labour should then be hung for this.
Hello. Private Bob here, the latest in a long line of outstanding Labour Offense Secretaries, with today’s battlefield report from the rear.
I am pleased to report that this week we have set up 47,000 new schools in Afghanistan, brought clean water to 4.5 million Afghanis, have set up 7,500 new hospitals, built 14,284 new bridges, and have fully introduced Western-style consumerism and Christianity to the country. Afghan women are now free to be single mothers and pole dancers, and no Afghani needs to be productive any longer as all can now enjoy a life of leisure on the Afghani welfare state at Western tax-payers’ expense.
If any of you non-military types in the general population complain about our adventure, I will simply use our magic word, (which is similar to the word Abracadabra as used by magicians). Our magic word is “terrorism”. We use this word to automatically justify anything we want. It really is magic. The more we bomb, maim and destroy, the more terrorism we produce, and the longer we can use that magic word.
And never forget our wartime slogans: “War is Peace”, “We do more with less”, and “We expect to accomplish our aims in Afghanistan without a single shot being fired”.
Must pop off now – I’ve got some more clapped out military hardware to get tarted up and sent to the front. Nothing’s too good for our brave boys.
so it’s all going according to plan.
Actually Labour have built something in Afghanistan…
A ferris wheel.
For women.
What a joke. http://eureferendum.blogspot.com/2009/07/paradise-lost.html
O/T but another black shadow hanging over Labour in the Mail today.
13 eminent specialist Consultants have appointed a lawyer to petition the courts for a formal inquest and release of the suppressed autopsy report into the death of Dr D*vid Kelly.
They say he could not have died from the wound to his wrist and had not taken sufficient painkillers to do him any harm.
They say he was almost certainly assassinated.
Whilst they have been researching this death they say a number of them have had their computers hacked and material relating to Dr Kelly wiped out.
This is Britain – things like this should not happen here. Labour’s thieving taxation was bad enough but the damage they have brought about across the whole fabric of our society is tragic. And Dr Kelly’s death stands as a monument to that.
So if the tories are going to abandon their inheritance tax proposals I don’t think I care at the moment- First and foremost we need a tory government to rebuild a decent society.
You have hit the nell on the head, well done.
Alastair Campbell is still there, Iraq, David Kelly.. New Labour and the BBC still pay this twat to promote his poison.
Yeah that’s fine Nell – if they really are tories and not NuLabour Lite.
Well said Nell!
Yeah nell that’s great, but can you put the kettle on now luv, I’m gasping?
ah yes, as I always said beware faggots from Fettes.
How very dare you.
Hear, hear.
Totally agree but the so called new invesigation will as a lot of other things be held behind closed doors and not until after the next election. Open government???. This means Lisbon will be in place after the Irish are forced to vote again, Bliar will no doubt be president, it still won’t be safe to go for a walk in the woods and we in the UK will just become and be treated by the EU as the European ‘Newfoundland’ of Canada.
Best line of the day so far though is
“First and foremost we need a tory government to rebuild a decent society”
*** Stands and Applauds***
nell, good thinking, must read up about news on Dr. Kelly’s death.
The boy Cammo, insulated against the economic woes by being a millionaire several times over, insulated from real life by having been to Eton and surrounding himself with like minded Eton toffs, is slowly morphing into Blair II.
Like a newly launched soap powder he’s all packaging and promises of a whiter than white wash.
It’s bad enough that we’ve had more than a decade of NuLabour spin, lies, and utter total incompetance. To think we’re going to get almost the same again is depressing indeed.
Just when we need some hope, just when we need an inspirational leader, just when we need someone to come along and sweep away the labour poison that has infected the country, we get the shiny all new touchy feely Tories, too scared to do the right thing, too weak to take on the unions and public sector workers, too “caring” to persuade the workshy that they need to earn their benefits.
So, go back on your promises, squeeze the middle classes instead….the traditional cash cow of the cowardly.
Truly, we are shafted.
All day and no replies! Come on all you true blue tories! Tell us how it will be so different under “Hug a hoodie” Dave. A very rich man who still thinks its acceptable to live off a half a million pound interest free loan from the taxpayer,after all,he did’nt come in to politics not to get what he was owed. Sound Familiar? He wants to bring “Transparency” to politics. Sound Familiar? we’ve been sold this pup before. As Eric Cantona observed,”When the seagulls…………….”. Well, he’s thrown his sardines to the gulls,and now he will put on his various faces,the beaming matey smile,the tough on crime look,the one of the lads look,and will hope to breeze into No 10 on the basis of “A new start” “clean government” Honesty and accountability”
Forgive me,but this is where we came in in 1997. Does anybody really think he’s going to be much different?
Winston Churchill said, “First you build your house, then your house builds you”. Philosophically, this is a useful comment on archery versus Zen archery. The bullish and personal attacks are typical of the Tories – authoritarian and selfish. Labour is more akin to form and balance, which is why there’s more focus on policy and cooperation.
Historically, the British are tub thumping and insular. They have no concept of leadership and cooperation which is why Britain has no world class products and folks get smashed at the weekend. The underlying trends are towards the practical and social, and quality and relevance, but the Tory obsession with authority and greed reflects how alien this is to their real agenda.
Confucius he say, ‘Man called ‘Hard’, him plobabry soft in head. Other parts, too, maybe.’
Lao Tsu was a master of “effortless effort”.
That comment was not effortless. Contrived is the only word for it.
shut up commie.
More methods of government spending found in this link:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090712/tuk-plan-to-vaccinate-whole-uk-for-flu-6323e80.html
Obviously we get to pay for State control over our bodies.
What next? Our minds?
It’ll be interesting to see the order of vaccination: Which “communities” regarded as being “vulnerable” (and labour voters) are first in line….and which are left til last….
Maybe Torchwood last week wasn’t so far from the truth. A brilliant satire on the NuLab government I thought.
Like PM Green in the drama, I’m sure that PM Brown would gladly sacrifice the present to guarantee his personal political future.
Obviously we get to pay, but nothing obvious follows. From the comments to the orginal story from the ST here http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/health/article6689955.ece it follows that state would likely need compulsion to achieve sufficient coverage (cf population resistance to combined MMR). So, when is that pencilled in for on the Plan?
Isn’t mass medication without consent illegal under the Geneva Convention?
Swine flu is meant to threaten young-middle aged adults most but I daresay they’ll follow the usual practice of giving priority to immunising 90 year olds with dementia who never stir out of their homes.
great allah praise be upon him this misrable arab is also shameless tax cutter
allah will bless your picket fence
And another pricey project:
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20090712/tuk-force-to-extend-stun-gun-training-6323e80.html
140 non-firearms officers are to be trained to use potentially fatal weapons.
Training Protocol – Excuse me member of the public, do you have a surgically implanted pacemaker before I try to disable you with this device which you have paid for through your taxes and which was recommended by lobbying consultants whose clients may have made contributions directly or indirectly towards the party in power? Sorry haven’t got time for all that – ZAP!
The price to society is more than just financial.
I doubt whether Dave can turn this country around by reducing taxation alone.
It can only be a matter of time before we see blue coated “community support” officers carrying stun guns. A few days training, and Wayne, a former Tesco shelf stacker, can zap your body with several thousand volts. Welcome to NuLabour Land, 2009.
Ratsniffer – Excellent connection made between Tesco and NuLiebia.
On the one hand a muscular corporate giant which might aspire to control the supply of food and fuel in the country, yet develops its own banking infrastructure through RBS buy-out and possible Northern cRock purchase enabling the potential to sieze control of a UK currency system on the verge of collapse while climate crisis demands a new approach to the production of food.
The other case – a cerebrally challenged group of cowards lacking the wit and courage to regulate against financial corruption and who promote social indiscipline through benefit oversupply to keep a materialistic populace in blindness of their inherent ability to wrest control of their lives back from self-corrupting authority and contiued denail of the right to self-reliance.
Unless a nation can feed its people, there is no political or economic system capable of indefinite sustainability or social stability. Just examine history!
excellent!
let the fuckers eat pizza!
Every little helps.
this is an old story but there’s a certain mr peter mandelson (pre Lordy Lordy) who gets a mention.
http://www.gregpalast.com/browns-fixer-explains-how-its-donejon-mendelsohn-and-the-secret-tape/
what’s that smell?
where do you think the tax credit policy came from? If you run a company whose employees are overwhelmingly unskilled or semi-skilled i.e. loading and distributing crates of groceries, stacking shelves, manning check-out tills etc etc. the average wage in your company will be low. If tax credits enable an employee who earns £15K per year to have a net income which is equivalent to what someone earning £30K would get without tax credits it follows that there is much less pressure on you to raise their wages. If your company employs many thousands of people that means you can make a huge profit because your labour costs are subsidised by the tax-payer. Under those circumstances, the odd donation to a political party is a small price to pay.
I stopped shopping a Tesco a few years ago when I worked this out.
We don’t like the sound of this.
Perhaps the Tory penny will finally drop Guido?
We are in uncharted waters.
Traditionally, labour were the party of incompetence whereas the tories were the party of corruption. The difference with new labour is they are both in equal amounts. So as I said, post new labour the landscape is a different country altogether.
It is just sooo confusing these days.
Mr Blair was more Tory than Mr Major and carried on the good work that Mrs Thatcher started.
Mr Cameron calls himself a Liberal Conservative and seems to to be more socialist than Mr Brown, although at times he does show some Conservative leaning.
Mr Brown seems to blow with the wind, a Tory one day, a socialist dictator the next.
Truth is both major parties are much the same and it all comes down to their leader as to which way the country will vote. At the moment it is not so much Cameron winning but more Brown Losing, how long this will remasin i am not certain.
Hey tell you what, why not just stick with the devil you know, and vote for New Labour again like you have for the last 3 elections?
It’s like when you ask the Tobacconist for a packet of fag papers, she asks you if you want red or green, knowing full well that both packets contain exactly the same papers.
The winner will be the one who says “change” the most times while looking hopefully upwards.
socialists and social democrats are now running all three of the major parties. There is an alternative – UKIP will cut taxes and spending, and give us back our nation. Cameron is a posh eton educated LEFTY. Vote Tory Vote for New Blair
Agreed. Let’s take our nation back and everything else shall be pulled back up to standard. Our standard. It will be a brave chav who drops litter in our nation again!
This will stick it to the lentil munching brigade. Not a great move from a personal perspective though.
I wish to congratulate the team at Jaguar on its new XF. Jaguar, like myself a through-and-through English institution, now going forward to a bright future led by Ian Callum(jock), Mike O’Driscoll(paddy) and head man Ravi Kant(hindu).
Times Online: 12/7/09
Jaguar to announce indefinite shut-down over summer and more job cuts.
class.
I’d ask for an investigation but no doubt it would just end up like the Rover report. Buried until after the next election
I’m amazed that anybody could consider future tax cuts of any kind. This country is almost bankrupt and being kept from doing so by incredibly massive borrowing. The amount of true national debt is being hidden but will be revealed after the next election. In some ways I feel sorry for the Tories because they will inherit a basket case country on its knees if they win the election. The punitive measures required to correct it all will then be blamed on them.
Talking of the economy:
Worth Watching. A lot of common sense spoken by Farage
Who is the eurocrat? I’m guessing not a Berlisconi protege.
He’s talking absolute sense.
I’ve been drifting slowly from an anti-federalist stance to the let’s get out opinion. I NEARLY voted UKIP in the EU but I balked at the immigration policy.
But we have to, we must get out.
The continental economies seem bent on their own over regulated destruction; I don’t want to go down with them. I say that as someone with an interest not in the city but in manufacturing; we were promised we’d have this wonderful free trade area what we weren’t told was we’d be straight jacketed in to that free trade area.
We have a common customs area, and anything BUT free trade.
Those EEC was mis-sold goods. We need a refund.
I find it interesting the way that a tax cut is represented as money lost to the exchequer. Where to people think the money goes? It is spent on other goods and services.
Inheritance Tax is iniquitous because it is a large tax (40%) on the both capital gain and saved income that has already been taxed. Given the growth in property prices and the commensurate increase in IHT liability, the inevitable result is that family homes have to be sold to foot the bill.
Would it not make more sense to apply CGT at 18% to the family home and not tax the saved income?
Quite right, in the main taxation is some fucker who thinks he knows better than you how to spend your money.
If that knowitall stopped taxing my dosh and let me spend it myself, I would spend it more wisely and to the beneifit of its recipients. I’m fucking fed up with Mr and Mrs Balls thinking they know better than me how I should spend my hard earned.
It only affects a small relatively wealthy proportion of property owners who are in fact dead when the tax is applied. It’s the greedy lay-abouts who, rubbing their hands at the funeral, want something for nothing that are really worried about IH Tax.
The non-domiciles have to live somewhere!
Andrew Marr Labour cheerleader at the BBC is married to Jackie Ashley Labour cheerleader at the Guardian.
Talk about conflict of interest.
I see no conflict there. Only self interest.
Looks like the Guardian have made complete prats of themselves (nothing new there) over News of the World allegations, if anybody is going to be sued over this it could well be them.
I do hope so!
I think the Cons have to be careful about this but avoid making policies they cannot keep. No one really knows how bad a condition we are in and it will only be at the change of the administration where the true deceptions of Nu Labour will be exposed for all to see. Pretty difficult to make a policy when the figures on which that policy is based are in the outfield somewhere and getting steadily worse every day. The Lib Dums will also have a similar problem really except they would increase the tax burden.
Probably why smokescreens are going up all over including this one……These clowns including Lard arse can’t even get a smear right anymore.
The News of the World is strongly defending itself against allegations of phone hacking, claiming police and internal investigations had failed to uncover any evidence. An editorial acknowledged that former royal editor Clive Goodman and private investigator Glen Mulcaire tapped into voicemails in 2006 and were punished for their actions. But those instances were one-off “mistakes” on the part of the newspaper, it claimed. Meanwhile, Andy Hayman, a former assistant commissioner at Scotland Yard, who headed a nine-month inquiry into the journalists’ conduct, said claims that former Deputy Prime Minister John Prescott was a victim of hacking were “without any clear evidence”. The News of the World also highlighted Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner John Yates’ confirmation on Thursday that police would not reopen its inquiry into the affair “because no new evidence had come to light”.
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20090712/tuk-news-of-the-world-hits-back-dba1618.html
NuLabour screwing someone near you. Its in their DNA
Man, you guys are stretching. Sure, things could’ve happened quicker or been executed better but you can say that about anything. The fact is the right thing got done eventually and the FSA helped stop people tripping over their own shoes. It’s an improvement. Take the deal.
One thing I’ve learned in development is you can shoot for the moon and end on your ass. Demanding perfection is fine but at some point you have to ship. Getting scheduling and gameplay right doesn’t just fall out of the sky no matter how much forum wannabes like to scream.
Labour shipped product. Folks bought it. ‘Nuff said.
That buzzing sound just won’t go away. Have we got a bluebottle problem?
They’re buzzing around the corpse of democracy.
“Labour shipped” – !!
It’s now letting water and dragging its anchor – it’s doomed!!!
You can always tell the last gasps of a dying regime by the increasingly lunatic ideas that are promulgated. It’s NuLabour’s Caligula syndrome…
This one you really couldn’t make up…
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/113413/Police-must-recruit-gypsies-
Pedos are seriously unrepresented in H.M. Police force as well. Equality for all.
You only have to check out Robespierre, and you’ve got it!
Newlabour’s ‘Caligula syndrome’ I mean.
Vote for Cameron or risk getting five more years of Brown.
That’s the only choice on offer. Everything else is just fantasy.
And that’s the true appalling choice we have in this country. Cameron or Brown, it’s not even worth making a trip to the polling booth for either of these two bloody clowns.
Oh I forgot to mention, there is another way – emigration which is becoming a more attractive solution to a future of misery in this stinking country.
No. Voting matters. Vote for SOMEONE. Make a decision and act upon it. This is how the ‘I voted labour because my grandparents did’ and the ‘I voted tory because my grandparents did’ asleep-at-the-wheel silent majority of fuckheads win. They VOTE.
Cameron may not be everyone’s cup of tea but that is the choice we have, Dave or more Broon.
Bliar and Broon tried to move to the right but showed their true colours once elected. Let’s hope Cameron’s move to the left is just as temporary. We need serious cuts in the size of goverment spending and at the moment Cameron is our only choice.
Cameron is the only choice. It’s either him or five more years of gurning sociopath Brown on his mission to bankrupt Britain and turn us into part of the third world.
you guys must be stoned, right?
david cameron is a housing benefit cheat millionaire and defrauded money from public funds.
gideon osborne is a housing benefit cheat millionaire who begged party funds from a russian villain.
lord ashcroft is a tax evading c’unt. aswell as a liar.
andy coulson head shoe polisher has become the story.
and william hague is a money grubbing whore who should do his job instead of grubbing around scrounging money like a fucking tramp.
these are the facts.
and therefore a hung parliament is the most likely outcome of the next general elecion.
you wankers are living in a fantasy world. you motherfuckers must be superstoned.
in fact you are just like the tory supporters of john mccain who use to come to this place posting the same kind of bullshit as you cripples are posting now.
fucking retards. it is all on the record you cretins!
DOH!
Thanks for the tirade, now tell us what it’s got to do with the proposition that at the moment the choice appears to between Brown and Cameron.
oh dear, what a dim SCUM TORY TROLL you are.
government is a matter of trust.
neither gordon ‘I am a war criminal’ brown nor david ‘what a dodgy thieving c’unt’ cameron are worthy of the public’s trust.
therefore there will be a hung parliament.
go easy on the superskunk, it is turning you into a moron.
you silly cripple.
I hesitatingly think you’re on the right lines there tat, but couldn’t you manage to say it in a more agreeable fashion?!
You are a moron.
Thick as thieves. One simple question for you.
Do you think that another five years of Labour is preferable to a Conservative government at the moment?
I don’t mean the personalities, they all have their plus and minus points, I mean the policies and ideologies of the two parties…
If you can’t trust the people behind the policies and ideologies there’s no point voting for a party.
there will be a hung parliament.
HTF do you know?
DB, I’m not disagreeing with you there but tat keeps going on about personalities (both politicians and other commenters here), he’s decided he hates DC ”cos he went to Eton without looking at what’s behind that fact.
The choice we have is between Conservative and Labour to lead the next government, my question to tat was – which one of these would he prefer?
I wouldn’t be able to answer that question – the rock or the hard place? The frying pan or the fire? To me they’re now pretty much the same. Though swinging from one extreme to another every x years seems to achieve fuck all as well.
Brown, Cameron, the rest of Parliament and our European representation have been proved irredeemably untrustworthy.
Voting Cameron to displace Brown reduces the franchise to a tactically-voted, lose-lose irrelevance based on the conviction that it is impossible to throw off the Lib/Lab/Con yoke.
There is now an alternative but Establishment conditioning has so entrenched its propaganda that most on here would reject that alternative at the mention of its name, like Pavlovian dogs at the chiming of a bell.
Indeed, this post would be consigned to eternal “awaiting moderation” purgatory if it carried the name of the Party that cannot Be Named.
It really is very simple, you vote for a change of administration at the next election, if they do a half decent job you vote them in for a second term then you kick them out as its at this point the corruption ALWAYS sets in.
er, what part of hung parliament don’t you understand steve you dopey tramp?
y’know, like in the second world war.
and as we are at war and in dire financial straights a coalition government would be in the best interests of the country.
the last thing this country needs is another c’unt like thatcher, blair, brown or cameron running off doing their own thing(normally war and or destroying communities at home and abroad)
we need a quiet, thoughtful government. one unable to rush through legislation, one made to stop and think whether an idea is a good one.
in other words a government restrained by checks and balances. one that doesn’t act worse than the fucking mafia.
surely even a retarded tramp like you can understand that steve?
good.
The only hung parliament I’d like to see is all 646 of them swingng from lamp posts on Westminster Bridge!
General Election please!!
Well put tat, and hardly a single word out of place!
3.30.
how do I know there will be a hung parliament?
er, how did I know Barack Obama would whip hitlary’s arse and how did I know he would bash the brains out of john ‘themadfuckingbomber’mccain?
I know because I am a genius.
you do not know because you are not.
you are just a fucking cripple.
now fuck off.
sheesh.
Cameron is reverting to being a Blair clone which is where he was 18 mnths to 2 years ago. We are now seeing everything wrapped up in spin, policy making on the hoof and crony-ism. we could almost be looking at the birth of NuLabor mark 2. Dave, you are alienating your support base of old style right of centre voters. For GOD sake tell it like it is, try using the truth rather than spin. Show us you have got some policies and principles you are prepared to stick with which are representative of a conservative (small c) philosophy. We need slash and burn of government spending not 17 more Quango’s and we need either tax cuts or flat tax.
He Just has to say “We will end the nanny state”.
He can’t even do that.
He lost my vote a LONG time ago. Cameron is Blair v2, but without the luck.
Agreed. At least Cameron can talk the talk. Let’s hope he can also cut the mustard!
322 refers to 169. Not sure what happened there.
Aye, I’m still waiting for him to put the beef on the table. 6.45 now on a Sunday, and neither hide nor hair of it.
I’ll use my own mind and concience when I vote UKIP
Shit or Crap – What a choice!
There’s another re-branding for Gay Gordon. I bet you didn’t know he likes to flirt with women?
Our dour leader is really Gordon the flirt
We’ve heard about Gordon Brown the great clunking fist. We are familiar with Gordon the brooding intellectual. Today a stunned nation must adjust itself to the surprising idea of Gordon Brown – a dasher with the ladies.
A Radio 4 programme called Gordon’s Women, to be broadcast this lunchtime, says that the prime minister can be a bit of a flirt.
Deborah Mattinson, the Downing Street pollster, tells presenter Martha Kearney: “I’ve certainly seen him flirt – I think he does flirt.” (She doesn’t seem very sure, but I suppose what appears to be flirting might just be a touch of indigestion.)
Martha then asks: “Has he ever flirted with you?” “Yes, I think perhaps he has,” says Deborah, who then praises his strong, brooding presence.
So there you have it. All these years we’ve been wrong to think that Gordon was awkward in female company, when all along he was political Heathcliff.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/article6689743.ece
ROTFLMAO!
Gordon Brown, the woman-hating Scottish faggot, flirting with girlies! That’s the funniest and most ridiculous bit of over-spun political shite I’ve read in years.
The only people Brown flirts with are young male spads and schoolboys.
Why would Brown flirt with women? He hates them and they find him totally repulsive.
You’re on the ball there.
A generation of fear and greed has touched everyone and left them with ambitions and personality defects that are probably best dropped. By seizing the opportunity in the disaster Gordon Brown has helped refocus and reenergise Britain so business, finance, and the people can begin developing along better and more successful lines.
If folks were open, fair, and less impatient they might appreciate the benefits and not be such losers about things.
Calm down. Relax. Be happy.
Buzz buzz buzz. Its it just me that is hearing it? Anyone got a fly swat?
GOT HIM !
Your wit is exceeded by your ‘wrongness’
Charles you’ve flipped again!
Charles, other than padding this blog with tedious drivel,could you explain why any sane individual should take the slightest notice of you voluminous posts which actually say nothing at all of any merit.
Answer me one question: Why does the beloved Gordon look to cut costs at the expense of soldier’s lives whilst promising a billion quid at G8 for some other grand scheme?
Does he rate other national’s lives higher than our own ?
There was some talk from Gordon fancying himself as the romantic hero in Wuthering Heights (in previous Radio 4 talk show), leave Yorkshire alone, the reality is YOU ARE Uncle Ebenezer FROM Kidnapped.
Named after the family
His father’s name was John EBENEZER Brown – check on wiki
Now there’s a funny thing. I rest my case.
talking about gideon osborne, that spastic has just appeared outside my front door again with his bullingdon mates.
they’re all pulling faces at me through the window and shouting abuse at me like “saddo”, “billy no mates”, and “care in the community retard”.
one of them has just put his knob through my letterbox again and has jacked off over all the junk mail that has piled up against the door.
I want to go over to the pak i shop for a twix and a mars bar for my lunch but I don’t see why I should have to walk through that lot shouting names at me.
those motherfuckers make me sick.
Have you stopped taking your medication again you sad sack?
note to thief @ [12.35pm.
come up with your own name, do not steal mine.
or you will be banned.
don’t worry. I will kick his sorry ass off this blog just like I did to the b’n p
Careful as you go, Top Boy. Those Bullingdon Boys are hung like elephants. They have long memories too, so you risk more than your letterbox being penetrated. Lie low and pass over that mars bar and twix is my advice.
Sounds like its you who are the Skunk mate !!!
you are no mate of mine you fucking moron.
I can see the pluses and minuses of all the players, and the flow of events over time, and the narrow and negative attitude of some folks is just internet dreg. This blog used to have higher value comment and less attitude, but since Cameron’s tub thumping and a wave of Tory wannabes arrived it’s been dire. This ego bubble is no different to the City, and folks might want to try calming down in here as well, cuz this place is pretty crashed as well.
Time for a rest on your tatami my friend !!
who cares what you think you retard?
i’ve kicked your sad arse off this blog before and I’ll do it again if you keep annoying me.
Funny that you have the same narrow and vengeful mindset of the Tories you claim to despise. I’d say that makes you highly suspect.
The Tories just want to drag everything down and start a fight. It’s the easiest way for hoods to rise to power. This can’t happen if folks stay calm.
There you go. Trolls and Tories: mad and bad.
Relax. Be happy.
if you’re not a tory why do you hang around outside my front door with gideon and the bullingdon boys?
are you the retard who jizzed through my letterbox?
it went all over an advert for anglian pvc replacement windows. I was going to read that when I got around to it but now I don’t think I’ll bother thanks tou you you motherfucker.
final warning 12.57
you will be banned.
don’t worry. I have sorted it. I have kicked his sad ass off the blog just like I did to all the other retards who annoyed me.
The Western mind tends towards this, is, and I. The Eastern mind tends towards that, maybe, we. Zen Buddhism suggests yes, no, and maybe.
So, someone is trying to get on board the Zen bandwagon, or faking getting onto the Zen bandwagon, or is faking it and absorbing it accidently. Who knows?
It would be funny if the howling paranoids started turning into clones of Derek Draper. The utter anniliation of the Tory mindset by their own hand? Yes, quite amusing.
Oh, whoopsie.
TaT, never make a promise you can’t keep. We might stop believing you have the measure of Hardwidge. This is not the time for home improvements.
Charles – you have to use an awful lot of words for a person who claims to be following the Dao. If you hang too much weight on the ridgepole of the Dao something must break.
The Dao is change; yet you cling to the *status quo*
The Dao is sweping one’s own path; yet you involve yourself in the ways of men and their factions, taking sides in a game of no-side. This benefits nobody, not even yourself.
The Dao is to be found in silence and wind, not in darkened corridors of other men’s power: attach yourself to contemplation for a month and send back your report written in seventeen syllables when you have climbed the mountain.
And, Charles, if Ms Smith had got her way and not been prevented by – amongst others – Guido and his co-conspirators, your posts mocking Doaist practice would, quite concievably, have been cause for prosecution and the seizing of your hard-drives.
Thick Ass Troll v HardWedge
It’s the mental equivalent of midget boxing.
“Crashed” as in being the most popular current affairs blog?
You really are a total fucking cock.
I hope that somebody is paying you to spout such fucking nonsense.otherwise you need to be sectioned along with Wacko Joko.
Anyone see Nick Griffin wipe the floor with useless Labour stooge Andy Marr this morning? Marr really isn’t up to the job any more. Was he ever?
I thought Griffin was very reasonable, and it is clear that a lot of what one hears about him is untrue. I must have another look at the party-that-cannot-be-named.
fuck off you pair of nazis.
crackerjacks like you two wankers are not welcome here.
bloody honkies!
fuck off out of it white trash before I set the dogs on you.
Wacko Jocko once grabbed my tits
He then put them down and said that they weighed 897.8 grams a piece and that his moral compass was still pointing south
Can I have a go?
At no time did I touch this young womans tits, it was the Tories and they felt her up in America.
Nor was my new best friend Saint Obama there
I will take no lectures from the Tories when it comes to touching tits
Whan Gordon grabbed Ed’s balls his moral compass was pointing north.
And I have the photos
1.30pm today on Radio 4: “Gordon’s women”
How many lies can they fit in to half an hour’s programme?
The big lie is Gordon isn’t gay.
Sick making isn’t it?
Martha suggests “he relates better to men!” Good on ye Martha.
UK can’t afford another fiscal rescue, warns IMF
Britain is the world’s only leading economy unable to budget for any kind of economic rescue package next year, the International Monetary Fund has warned.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5804507/UK-cant-afford-another-fiscal-rescue-warns-IMF.html
Brown has bankrupted the country
A low tax and low cost of politics has many benefits in both health and wealth of society , somthing i doubt the conservatives will lose sight of .
Cutting inheritence tax is small potatoes and given access to the books has been denied , we can assume the truth is going to be more painfull than we yet know.
if labour manage to stay in power they will role out the nazi nanny state needing to be funded by increase taxation on middle incomes , who will become the new working class . they will also have the largest state benefits underclass clientel in the western hemisphere . All labour are trying to do is desperately re hash socialism to protect there core vote , its all rather pathetic but they wont change nor do they seem keen to admit anything is wrong with ecnomic structure they have created .(cw thinks they have done huge ammounts of damage long term as public sector pensions are becomming a ponzi scheme and private sector ones weaking as the ecnomic structure of the Uk cannot deliver the market growth).
To put it bluntly gordon brown has given us an economy that cannot fight the recession with manufactued goods made at home , he is borrowing to whilst at the same time creating a widening balance of trade , with little to convince me he can narrow the trade defiecet to make debt repayment possible for many years to come .
If this is not incompetence or more in my way of thinking a wonk set of flawed socialist beliefs , put upon us by stealth and deciet , to make us state tax slaves.
it doesnt work , he has given no concrete evidence as to where we are going denying the public there right to reason his actions let alone Her Majesties opposition.
When we do get to see the books and the hole that is PFI , it musnt be forgotten , labour withheld the truth , and mismanged the economy without a mandate to the loss of the nations future wealth and well being, somthing i hope will remain in history for a very long time , on where socialism ends .
I’m starving but I can’t go over the shop for a mars bar and a twix for my dinner because gideon, charles hardwidge and their bullingdon gang are still outside my front door shouting abuse at me. gideon has his todge out and is wanking furiously in my direction the filthy spastic.
final final warning 1.18. you will be banned. I’m serious.
right, that’s it, you’re now banned from my blog you retard.
am I banned too?
yes, er, no, er……mum!!!
You’re aren’t half publishing the bans this morning, TaT. You weren’t at Boujis last night were you? Did you get lucky last night? No wonder the Bullo posse is outside your door.
RAAARRRK! WHATALOADARUBBISH! E-URRRK-K!
In short.
They have fucked it up big time.
We are fucked for the foreseeable future.
The talent is leaving, the dross continues to flow in.
you’re banned too.
ERRRRKK! ITLER! PHWEEE-POP-K-K!
SOB…. Both meanings!!!
FUCKING CRIPPLE PARROT, YOU’RE BANNED TOO
I AM A FUCKING RETARD CRIPPLE AND I’M BANNING MYSELF
I MAY GO
I’m losing it. Can’t go on. Cognitive dissonance too great. Goodbye cruel world.
*cheering breaks out spontaneously throughout the blogosphere*
AWWWKK! WIKIWIK-K! BALDIE!
dear fans,
it is difficult to tell you cripples apart because all you retard bn p trolls look the same to me.
sometimes you, the fans, can be so retarded that I feel as if I am running a care in the community programme.
but as I always say, ’tis better you shady fuckers are here where we can keep an eye on you rather than you being elsewhere, interfering with others.
regarding the banning of cripples, thick as thieves is a merciful hero and I have considered the matter and I have decided that it is much more fun for me and far more irritating for you to be very, very heavily modded instead of banned.
now you may go.
regards, your hero,
the legendary thick as thieves
the real one.
**********HERO WORSHIP***************
In short Brown has created “The Ocean Finance Economy “.
Hello clouds, hello sky!
The Tory mentality and party tend towards power and wealth accumulation, while Labour tends towards learning and sharing. These are mutually exclusive at the extremes, and these extremes ravage the centre. Doesn’t matter if you’re running a country or a blog, once it loses touch with the centre you get a ghetto.
“There is no market in a failed state”, and “there is no conversation in a failed blog” are equivalent. This is a matter of leadership and community, the individual and the collective. It’s basic stuff but where folks or the group identity lacks maturity it can be forgotten. My view of British politics is that it’s in bad shape, simply, because the British lack the right leadership and communication skills, or maturity.
Gordon Brown’s personality tends to be like an architect. He values order, harmony, and patience. Cameron is more like the broken Anglo-Saxon fundamentals – a smarmy pitbull like the media, CBI, and finance that have so spectacularly exploded in everyone’s face. Folks need to calm down, then we need better order and a sense of balance, and patience. Labour gets this which is why I believe they’re the only show in town.
Haven’t you got some wanking to be getting on with?
ding ding! round one to charles! well done mr hardwidge!
you didnt ref at that chelsae match did you by any chance ??
The order and harmony of a Leadership contest with Milliboy and Johnson should please Brown no end. Patience, it is coming.
he’s wanking outside my front door with gideon and the bullingdon boys. I wish they’d piss off so I can go over the shop for my dinner.
Still wanking? There’s stamina for you.
hey dude, I droped a wagon wheel dahn de bak od yuoru sofa da udder day when we wuz, like muckin’ abaht and dat.
you can has dat man, no swet.
I love you Charles Harwidge , do you want a job or are you already working for us
As confuscious say “man with hole in pocket feel cockey all day”
One of finest moments.
Sorry, I’m getting on a bit.
That should read – one of my finest.
I’m glad you admit that Labour is against the accumulation of wealth.
Their only success!
Everyone who doesn’t emigrate from blighty will be as equally poor.
Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
Winston Churchill
Who also said: ‘The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.’ Neither sound good to me.
People are NOT equal.
That’s reality, to pretend otherwise is foolish.
However the state should treat people equally, that’s why I’m against the welfare state etc.
I know that people are not equal. It’s the gap that matters. As Ehrenreich said, ‘That’s free enterprise, friends: freedom to gamble, freedom to lose. And the great thing – the truly democratic thing about it – is that you don’t even have to be a player to lose.’
Maybe you’d like to look at geonomics instead of the failure that is the state owning you (socialism).
That’s as likely to happen as equality.
Labour knows it is doomed….but like some crazed admiral on a sinking ship, it wants to take us all down with it. NuLabour – the real nasty party.
Never mind because Shriti Vadera and Mariella Frostrup on Radio 4 at the moment are telling us how much all women adore Gordon Brown. He’s so manly and sexy apparently.
not to worry will book Bruno on sky to do the same
These women must be looking at Snotty through 10 pint beer goggles.
Well vadera is one of only two women? who have a proper place in the cabinet, and mariella was described in the Telegraph in 2007 over an interview she did with brown, as pathetic and humungously boring.
More appropriately gordon was also described in today’s programme as ” a mafia boss who might not pull the trigger but who knows who’s getting bumped off”
That’s about how I see him and this trash labour govt.
Stealing material and throwing it back is cheap and lazy. You folks need to try coming up with your own material and being nice for a change. Cameron’s just as bad. Where’s his policies and sense of kindness?
Seeing you lot banging the desks and slapping each other on the back the other day was like a re-run of Tories sniffing their own gasses when Thatcher was in power. It wasn’t great then, and isn’t great now.
Folks want their problems fixed and a fair deal, and the Tories mistake this trend for football hooliganism. It may play the same note but the tune is wrong. When folks clock this you’re busted.
ding ding! round three to Charles! Wow you’re kicking ass today Charlie! well don e!
exactly charles , your words send me into extascey , brown is truly a brilliant global political leader , if only these people understood you more , they would come to love you .
Labour is doomed. Doomed to years in the political wilderness. It will take a decade or more to fix this country, to educate the kids who have deliberately been kept down by labour to keep them poor and undeducated, to fix the police which has been politicised, and made to chase “thought crimes” instead of the real scum, to fix the armed forces which have been allowed to wither and now daily sees kids getting killed because of a lack of equipment, to fix the health service which is a joke, to fix the economy – our accounts resemble those of a third world marxist state – and above all to fix the moral of the population, despondent after more than a decade of neo communist rule.
Nothing will get fixed. Cameron hasn’t got the guts.
To be honest, I’d vote for an empty baked bean can if it got brown out of government.
I don’t like the way you paint me.
I’m in my garden again and I can see the pulses and my uses of all the layers, and the glow of events over the thyme, and the marrow and negative platitudes of some folks is just in to the net dreg. This coke used to have liar value comment and less altitude, but since pub thumping brown and a wave of liebour wannabes and trolls arrived, it’s bean dire, no beans at all! This egg bubble is no different to the titty, and yolks might want to fry clamming down in here as well the well, buzz this place is pretty stashed as we are all.
There we are, I’m back, I can see you all think I’m a truly wonderful person, can’t you? The only one, just like liebour, that makes any sense. And of course, I have a wonderful name, Charles, I’m an amazing person, aren’t I?
Bottle !
ding ding! round two to the real charles e hardwidge! well done charles! keep up the gud work
I love you too
ah democracy, tis only for some, but definitely not for others. DING – DONG
Caroline Flint just said Brown is unapproachable and definitely a closet wooftah.
EKK! ULLOSAYLER! GITCHYATITSOUT! TWEET!
Overdone it with the cuttlefish, Stilyagi?
The Liebour mentality and party tend towards power but no wealth accumulation, while Conservatives tend towards learning and sharing and caring. These are mutually exclusive at the extremes, and these extremes ravage the centre, so don’t go to the day centre during the day. Doesn’t matter if you’re running a country or a log, once it loses touch with the centre you get a netto, bloody good supermarket, I say! “There is no market in a failed state”, and “there is no conversation in a failed log” are equivalent. This is a matter of leadership and community, the individual and the collective. It’s basic stuff but where folks or the group identity lacks maturity it can be forgotten. My view of British democracy is that it’s in pretty good shape, simply, because the British people make it that way but Liebour don’t. Liebour lack the right leadership and communication skills and maturity. Gordon Brown’s personality tends to be like a moron. He values dis-order, dis-harmony, and impatience. Cameron is more like the Anglo-Saxon fundamentals – a warm labrador like the media, CBI, and finance that have so spectacularly helped wealth accumulation but not unfortunately during the liebour years of spend, spend, spend and debt. Folks need to calm down, every one needs to be named Charles, then we need better order and a sense of balance, and patience. Conservatives get this which is why I believe they’re the only show in town. Thank you and my name is Charles.
IHT should be abolished full stop. Children get penalised by mere virtue of association with their parents, the prudent get taxed for saving throughout their lived, on top of the tax they pay on their income, and good parents have their estate attacked for providing for their children’s future.
Democracy is for all people, not just liebour and people named Charles.
Dude, this might just be some internet wheeze for you but there’s plenty of folks who remember the businesses shutting down and incomes being screwed into the ground to pay off a few middle class shareholders. This isn’t just another round of Halo but real bricks and mortar, and real people.
I remember being told about the old days where kids went to school with no shoes, ate sugar sandwiches, and had their teeth yanked for a penny. When the 80’s came the Tory Kool-Aid said they’d do better and had changed, and that ended in riots on the streets. We’ve already had a hint they’re still clinging to Thatcherism. It ain’t gonna be any different this time.
The lesson of the past few weeks is that if it sounds too good to be true it probably is. The Tories will promise anything and can’t stoop low enough to get back into power. But, building real and enduring success doesn’t happen overnight. Only the spiv and the chancer will promise you that. This next election is a chance to break that repeating cycle of misery by telling the Tories to stick their lies.
ding ding! round four to charles and its a KNOCKOUT!
Charles you’re on fire! keep on posting!!!!
Hey Dude! you really must just cool down, you’re getting angry, that’s not good for your blood pressure, now just learn to chill out dude, you’ll be ok.
Folks need to calm down, then we need better order and a sense of balance, and patience. so don’t stress yourself.
So how long does it take? 12 years not enough?
Charles ,
As Jesus said, the poor are always with us. Unfortunately, Gordon’s plan for combating child poverty seems to have been to encourage as much immigration as possible. Whilst this may have made a miniscule dent in gobal child poverty (and we know he is obsessed with global issues), it has increased child poverty in the UK. The vast majority of immigrants are either refugees or economic migrants – the former group are almost all poverty stricken and the majority of the latter are as well. I forget the precise figure but a very high proportion of babies born in this country in the 21st century are born to immigrant mothers – it follows that child poverty is going through the roof.
b>Former minister Jane Kennedy said she agreed with suggestions that Mr Brown dealt with colleagues like a “mafia boss”.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8146584.stm
Like Brando ? Not really. He usually has something else in his mouth.
http://www.richmondandtwickenhamtimes.co.uk/news/4488021.Exclusive__Keens__home__sex_attack_crime_scene_/
Not sure if this has been posted about the Keens’ house.
I think it’s safe to assume that McMad has done something particularly underhand – like sending a text message of support or comenting in a supportive manner on a cricket blog.
The unmitigated schneid!
Gordon says ” We are making considerable progress in Afghanistan”
Sounds like one of those old briefings given by McNamara on the Vietnam War. They were always winning whilst losing lots of their men in tragic circumstamnces and then somehow never winning at all.
Labour MP’s are saying quietly that they fear public opinion, on gordon’s lukewarm and miserly handling of the war, is turning hostile.
Too true
Yes and we (UK.) are best places to weather the economic downturn. The man is a lying cnut and this time he is playing with soldiers lives.
Agreed Nell. If we wish to continue in Afghanistan (and history tells us otherwise as it did in Iraq, but they don’t teach history any more) then we have to to step up to the mark or withdraw. Currently we under resourced and under equipped. If we are not prepared to remedy that we should withdraw. It’s not easy to magic equipment and troops out of thin air and our troops already committed do a great and wonderful job they are just betrayed by the politicians at home. I know defence procurement is not always easy (I was involved from the industry side during the cold war) but this is an emergency and urgent operational requirements have to be put into place. If that means sacrificing some education, NHS & foreign aid spending then so be it, we have to support our brave forces.
Everything is going to plan. Our troop numbers are being reduced daily, just as I told you they would be.
forget IHT reduction
don’t cut spending on educating our young people
“educashun, educashun, educashun” – T Blair – a better leader
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/education/article6689953.ece
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1199132/NHS-recommends-pupils-orgasm-day-reduce-risk-heart-attack-stroke.html
i’m voting for the party that promisess instruction in the home
i say more money for NHS and recommendations like this
ignore the postings lets libereralise and give what people want
I hate talking about people like this but all the Tories ever do is diss peoples ideas and slag them off. It’s got worse under Cameron and seeing the backslapping around here is just more of the dumb and corrosive Thatcherite approach. I know a power play when I see it, and I hope Labour doesn’t fall for it and just raises its game even higher. I believe they can and I hope they do, cuz I don’t wanna live through Thatcherism again. No, siree. I ain’t THAT dumb.
hey dude, well if I might say so, you certainly give that impression on here. In fact I think it’s confirmed that you are, completely!
sorry for commenting, don’t want to upset any one, hope you don’t mind, it’s ok isn’t it?
Dumb and dumber
It’s not worth replying to Chaz, he is into imposing democracy (or what he thinks is democracy) from 30,000 feet. He injects his nonsense into the blog without looking at what’s on the ground; if you read his guff you can see there is no sign of his actually having read any of the responses.
Living through Thatcherism was a doddle compared to living through this Brownian distopia.
Then stick to the principles of Zen,which you frequently quote and do not ‘talk about people like this.
Out here in the real world it’s intensely frustrating to watch the Tories and Lib Dems just sitting on their hands, biding their time, and waiting for the election campaign to start.
Labour have failed us. They were full of energy and ideas when they first came to power. A dozen years on they are washed-up, tired, and out of ideas. With Mandelson in charge, all we hear from Labour is vitriol and bile, instead of the fresh thinking the country needs. They have become the nasty party, without a good word to say about anyone, including each other.
The country is broke and in massive debt, public services are desperate for the reforms denied them by Brown, and the only “solutions” Labour have is good money thrown after bad, more state intervention and more quangos.
A spell in opposition will focus minds and do Labour the power of good.
Programme about G20 protests just starting on Sky 200
Ok ignore that, my information button was misleading – nothing about G20.
“Detectives will be required to consider accessing telephone and internet records during every investigation under new plans to increase police use of communications data.
The policy is likely to significantly increase the number of requests for data received by ISPs and telephone operators.
Just as every investigation currently has to include a strategy to make use of its subjects’ financial records, soon CID officers will be trained to always draw up a plan to probe their communications.”
This will presumably also apply to MPs and Baronesses.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/07/08/acpo_comms_data/
but feeding the mind….
Does it really make any difference whether the News ot the World makes use of this information or the Polis?
“those without digital investigation skills will “be redundant”, Williams warned”
Before long, the only useful life skills will be held by those able to grow potatoes and onions.
I’m, glad about that. I’m really good at growing cornichons (gherkins), will that count in my favour? They taste wonderful sliced up and dowsed in white vinegar.
Many more job losses under this dreadful incompetant stalinist labour government. Companies leaving in droves and so it goes on.
McDonald’s quits London for Geneva over tax
Senior executives, including Denis Hennequin, president of McDonald’s operations in Europe, will be based there.
The US company, which opened its first restaurant in London in 1974, joins other large US corporations that have based their European operations in Switzerland, including Kraft, Procter & Gamble, Colgate Palmolive and Yahoo. Google also chose Zurich for its European headquarters, despite having a large office in the UK capital.
McDonald’s said the move “enables us to conduct the strategic management of key international intellectual property rights, including the licensing of those rights to our franchisees in Europe, from Switzerland”.
The company stressed it expected its annual tax rate to remain between 29pc and 31pc.
Changes to the taxation of foreign profits linked to intellectual property rights such as patents and trademarks, announced in this year’s Budget, led publishing company Informa to move its tax residency to Switzerland earlier this year.
The company has said it would end up paying twice, because of a UK tax on dividends from intellectual property rights abroad.
Home-grown UK companies have also upped sticks in recent years, in search of more favourable tax regimes. The list includes Regus, the temporary office supplier, which has moved to Luxembourg, advertising giant WPP and pharmaceuticals company Shire which are both relocating their headquarters to Ireland, and Brit Insurance, which plans to move to the Netherlands. Investment company Henderson set up a new parent company in Ireland to pay less tax.
O/T but couldn’t resist……..
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Bit of fun for Gordon…. NOT
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8146584.stm
Followed by….
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/2470450/Gordon-Brown-ally-accused-of-verbally-abusing-colleagues.html
Enjoy……………
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Didn’t you like it for some reason?
No, like she said.
Known as Shriti the shriek – possibly the only woman to get close to gordon.
And harriett said of s’s disgraceful behaviour that any complaints should be directed to ray c*llins.
Ah!! Is that the ray who got tangled into the mcbride / redrag scandal?
Lovely! Lovely people.
If the Conservatives get sucked into higher taxes to maintain the our grossly parasitical government sector rather than these cuts & indeed the sort of business tax cuts that gave Ireland 7% growth they will be mired in the present mess permanently. If they don’t make the cuts immediately they never will & will lose the following election. o quote Lord Lawson
“a sensible opposition party should be more concerned with re-election than with election to office. Election will occur as and when the people lose confidence in the incumbent government. Re-election depends on results.”
I have blogged more extensively here http://a-place-to-stand.blogspot.com/2009/07/dont-go-wobbly-on-us-david.html
Guigo, have I beaten you too it….?
Sorry if so. It’ll make a good thread……..
There are far too many spotty policy wonks at Tory HQ who’ve never done a proper job in their life.
All these policy clowns are good for is spouting analysis upon analysis and promoting meaningless policy shifting for its own sake to justify their existence. Who voted for these wonks anyway? Whores, the lot of of them. Politics is about fundamental commitment and belief, not poll following, for without core principles politics mean nothing. Did the Tories learn nothing from Thatcher’s success?
Its about time Dave and his mates grew some brains and some balls and told these hired policy wankers to fuck off.
I’ve found the Tory boys in here tend to throw more lies in the hope something will stick, and pepper their comment with derogatory references like this. This is just more of the same hyper-competitive road to nowhere behaviour.
When conversation ends up being more about blame than comment it’s clear the bottom has fallen out of the market. It’s the same deal with the global recession, as folks are talking more about blame than getting off their asses and building the future.
Wake up.
In the words of the Bard, fuck off Chas.
You’re not paying attention to what I said, but that goes for routine around here. I’m not saying what you think I’m saying. Take another run at it, grasshopper.
Sounds like you’re flagging Fuckwidge. This piece is so lame, if it were a donkey we’d all feel compelled to put it out of it’s misery an send it to the glue factory.
All very sad.
Just a point of order there, Martina. Most donkeys end up in salami, chorizo and pastrami.
Folks need to calm down, then we need better order and a sense of balance, and patience. so don’t stress yourself.
Fuck off.
In the Observer today there is a comment by Toenails Robinson that he never reads the comments on his blog as they are “uninteresting”.Never demeaned myself by posting there anyway but it is interesting to see how our leaders and teachers at Pravda regard the rest of us who pay their obscene salaries.
I’m currently in the process of shipping some computer parts to an unemployed guy at my own personal expense. This gear doesn’t cost much to people in work but for someone on low incomes it’s a few multiples of their meagre disposable income.
A targetted investment to folks with little or nothing achieves much more than shaving a percentage point off tax. They can have something resembling a life than what might be, for some, just another instantly forgettable round of drinks among many.
Personally, I think, your ignorance and emotionalism is getting in the way of reality. Issues like this are very real and just because the Tories are kissing your ass doesn’t make them go away. You might wanna think about that before you get a hangover.
Why so modest, Charles?
Specify the components or their retail value so that we might make a proper assessment of your altruism.
The gung-ho types and vested interests tend to ride over something as simple, cheap, and easy as mere calm. They look for “authoritative” solutions, such as more and more legislation, or they want people to vote for them, so appeal to “popularity”. Really, it’s just another ego problem. The problem is usually themselves but nobody wants to admit that.
Charles i love it , more i cannot contain myself i feel gushes of emotion for our great leader , more please
Charlie you are wasting some serious wanking time….now off you go to matron and ask her for some of that nice KY Jelly to stop those nasty friction burns on your palm….
Leute zu beruhigen, dann brauchen wir, um besser und ein Gefühl der Balance, und Geduld. Seien Sie also nicht selbst Stress.
Amazing though google (or MAT) is, it cannot (nor ever will ) translate. The above is evidence.
Nichts fiurhrt zum Guten ,was nicht naturlich ist
Yes, one thing which unites the liberal elite is their disdain for the opinion of those who they imperiously look down upon.
If he doesn’t read them, how does he know that the comments are ‘uninteresting’ ?
Quelle fucking surprise there. I’m surprised he can see anything at all considering how far up Gordon’s arse he is.
Fucking Political Editor indeed. Political Officer, Zampoliti, more like.
Gordon Brown is the gay mans Robespierre.
He’s more like the gay mans Gollum.
He’s still hanging on to the precioussssssss
Is that what Mandy calls his cock?
BBC PC luvvie and Labour stooge, Hardon Singh Kohli suspended for six months for sexual harrassment of an underling:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8146527.stm
As well as being a BBC troughing talentless-turd, a Labour shill, and a sex pest, Kohli is also an unashamed slum landlord.
Nice!
I wish they’d suspend him for good, preferably by the neck – he’s one totally irritating, unfunny dude.
Comedian my arse.
Your arse is funnier.
Let me guess another lefty “comedian”.
Kohli’s also a slum landlord.
He’s also a boring talentless prat who only gets on the telly because he’s got a rag wrapped round his head.
Kiss my arse you racist scum.
Makes a change from you kissing Gordon Brown’s arse.
I miss him so much , no doubt he told the researcher he was going to get his sword out , and its all being a terrible misunderstanding . Charles Hardwidge would make an excelent replacement of similar talent and ability.
Hardwedge can join our crap show as long as he never utters the g word, which makes me have a touch of the vapours, throw up, crawl around the floor and bark, stab myself, stick pins in my eyes and squeeze my balls.
Is it ‘cos I is a pasty faced Jock?
Sent to the naughty step for six months,”…. to reflect on his behaviour”
So what does that mean, he’s gonna have a wank instead?
Note he doesn’t have the guts to tell ‘em to fuck off like Thatcher did.
I didn’t stay on the naughty step that long
Looks like its a right bunch of PC Facists who produce this show. Extremists being supported by the Licence payer.
Where’s thick as thieves?
Has he been upset and run away to hide in his bedroom again?
It’s postprandial wank time.
Perhaps he’s reading all that jizz-soaked junk mail that’s piled up behind his front door.
Jizz-soaked junk mail is the only mail I get any more ….
SPASTIC CRIPPLE RETARD
I may go
cum and go, it’s what you do.
5.16
BORING
CHANGE THE RECORD BN P C’UNT.
you are not welcome here 5.16 nazi.
thick as thieves is a weed he is fotherington thomas who skip along saying hello clouds hello sky he is a gurl chiz chiz.
keep out of it mother.
I drew up a list of 10 things I wanted a government to do after the last election and sent a few blasts in their general direction. A friend said I’d be lucky to get one. As it turned out, I got 9 out of 10. A grand project along the lines of a shinkansen or SST-2 was the last one though, I suppose, next generation broadband internet counts. Of course, the Railtrack mentality exists in the ISPs, so that’s a bigger grind than it need be.
The government sponsored a feasibility study but the costs of doing it properly are enormous. A big sticking point is business development and planning. Business is still too risk averse and grannies won’t appreciate a straight line being drawn through their back garden. I think, the recent initiative to focus business on new opportunities and the new planning legislation will help. But, the CBI and Tories are acting as a brake. Win, lose, or draw, they’re going to have to review that.
Did writing that give you a stiffy, Charles?
If anything it’s the literary equivalent of anti-viagra.
Keep fragmenting, Charles, it’s almost Joyce!
Oh charles your splicing of nilhism and zen buddisam will show these capitalists we are not be messed it , harwidge for labour party chairman .
Harwidge is just cut and paste..nothing there, not even humour. Justs sits and scribbles, scribbles and sits. That’s all. Nothing but burbles and wind.
The other nine were:
1. Trough a lot.
2. Run up the biggest peacetime budget deficit the country has ever seen by a huge margin.
3. Make the UK fall at least three places in the international league tables for school education.
4. Nearly lose a war against a few hundred blokes with towels on their heads, RPGs in their hands and a fanatical belief in female circumcision.
5. Ensure that our national banks privatise all their profits and socialise all their risks.
6. Gain an unrivalled reputation for lies, smears and flith.
7. Make David Cameron look good.
8. Ensure the eclipse of the Labour Party for a generation, if not for all time.
9. Bring the House of Commons into its greatest contempt since the 1650s.
9/10 – not bad!
Well Charles, I got 0 out of ten, how does that work I wonder?
Mirror attacks, Brown, Guardian’s phone tap story was it made up?
Giddy Osborne looks like Cameron’s fag, a frightened bum boy promoted well above his abilities.
The Tories have really lost the plot. Cut spending, cut taxes dramatically. LISTEN to the voters.
Freeze immigration and stop asylum seekers from everywhere. Fuck the politically correct, they are a MINORITY of wingeing lefties.
Listen, all you grasping bloody politicians – think not what your country can do for you but what you can do for your country.
Grandpa when did you arrive home , you never wrote to me
You desperate Labour trolls are pathetic. You’re out on your arses next June and there’s nowt you can do about it.
Only now have MPs realised that some of the lowest-paid pay higher marginal rates of tax than millionaires
Why has it taken so long for MPs to wake up to the fact that some of the lowest-paid are paying higher marginal rates of tax than millionaires?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/personalfinance/comment/iancowie/5767597/Only-now-have-MPs-realised-that-some-of-the-lowest-paid-pay-higher-marginal-rates-of-tax-than-millionaires.html
I hope brown enjoyed the lavish hospitality he received at the g20, fine wines, wonderful food no doubt. Last week he insisted that very low paid workers should now pay 20p in the pound tax, instead of 10p. He had an opportunity to change it, buy he CHOSE not to. Nice to know where liebours priorities are and it isnt with the low paid.
Don’t you get it? Labour wants to keep the low paid poor. That way they will qualify for tax credits, which labour can then say “you’ll lose if the tories get in!” Thus – they hope – buying the votes of the poor.
Tax credits keep whole armies of state employees in work, taking tax from workers and then giving it back to them via a massive, complex bureaucratic tier of pen pushers, all of them also bought and paid for labour voters.
and all destroying money velocity and the time-exchange (the true creator of productivity growth).
Wow, your comment just gave me a Zengasm. Keep ‘em coming.
You dirty fucka Hardwidge.
Is this proof that Brown has openly lied to the British Public and to the House of Commons?????. he has consistently stated as have his Ministers and assorted party apologists that we were the best placed to withstand the recession.
From todays Telegraph
The UK entered the recession with the worst structural budget deficit in the Western world, leaving it with little room to borrow in order to lessen the impact on profits and unemployment.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/5804507/UK-cant-afford-another-fiscal-rescue-warns-IMF.html
So snotty’s assertion that the UK was “well placed” to weather the recession was, er, bullshit? Now there’s a surprise.
Fifi thinks that airplanes were too loud.
No, Fifi did not.
I’m insanely relaxed about Dear Leader. His mind is as smooth as glass, as hard as diamond, and as brilliant as the sun. One gasps, nay, gapes at such magnificence. One is giddy with delight and almost falling to the floor with humbleness. I’m sure, if I didn’t have a such a skin toughened by the misery of my own base existence I wouldn’t be able to contain myself.
So, yes. I’m laughing at adversity and giggling at the nasty Tories rending themselves into so many pieces they are blown away by the wind and fall like dust to the ground. Be happy! Dance! Enjoy life. It’s to short to get wrapped up with those scowlers. Run! Hide! Leap out from behind them and shout “Boo!” Cuz, life is art and death is life. Hurrah!
Um, banzai.
Dear Charles
“I’m insanely relaxed about Dear Leader. His mind is as smooth as glass, as hard as diamond, and as brilliant as the sun”.
Hard as diamond, could you set up a test to prove that?
A Barrett Sniper rifle with a depleted uranium bullet should be a fair test over 6,800 metres.
Yours sincerely
George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
Hmm, it’s gone quiet – must be teatime.
K-KURRRKK! GIZZAPEANUT! RAAK!
With very low paid workers now paying tax at 20p instead of 10p, consider the following.
Alistair Darling, the chancellor,or is he?, changed his main home four times in four years. He even charged a £10,000 stamp duty bill to the taxpayer. So the man responsible for stamp duty, avoids paying it himself.
But surely Gordon Brown’s moral high compass would ensure that he would not be following in the footsteps of the chancellor in this sleight-of-hand money grabbing stuff. Gordon has told us all of his hatred of all those tax loopholes and tax avoidance schemes, hasn’t he?
When chancellor himself, he had a grace and favour apartment in Downing Street. He also had a bolt hole flat nearby, bought from the estate of the late Robert Maxwell. Shortly before he became PM, Gordon designated his bolt hole flat as his second home. This allowed him to claim allowances for it, which included paying his brother six thousand pounds for cleaning services. He also spread the cost of a nine thousand pound kitchen from Ikea, over 2 financial years. This allowed him to stay just within the maximum second home allowance limit.
But Gordon became PM as we all know and just like a very shrewd business man looking to keep things all for himself and not to give anything to the taxman, HE PUT HIS FLAT IN HIS WIFE’S NAME! As you do if you are a capitalist. This means of course that if he sells the flat, no capital gains tax is liable.
Hang on though, I’m not finished yet.
This of course left him free to now nominate his home in Scotland as his second home. This has allowed him to extensively renovate it at the taxpayer’s expenses. The taxpayer also forks out for the cost of the cleaner and the gardener.
All this AND he lives virtually cost-free in Downing Street for the past 12 years. So why has he charged anything to the taxpayer? Just because you can, doesn’t mean you have to does it? What about his moral compass? He also earns £194250 as PM and an MP. In addition, he has a 6 figure index linked pension to look forward to. The tax payer even pays for a sky sports subscription.
Do you consider Gordon had paid his fair share that he says we all have to pay?
I repeat, Gordon had a choice this week and so did all his labour MP’s to make life a little more easier for the low-paid. They CHOSE not to. According to the IFS, this decision by labour to make the very low paid, pay more tax is affecting 1.3 million people. He even lied to get his finance bill passed by telling his MP’s that if they voted for 10p for the low paid, his finance bill would fail. The clerks to the speaker in the HofC told Dianne Abott that this simply was not true. Clearly you can see how Gordon, the labour party and the labour MP’s were determined to vote it through and make life more difficult for the low-paid.
I hope he enjoyed his lavish dining and entertaining at the g20 too.
Remember, Labour no longer represents the low-paid, neither do the unions, not one union raised a voice in support either. Why would that be?
Excellent summary of the hypocrisy we have to put up with.
This should be sent out in the form of a letter to local newspapers up and down the country.
Gordon Brown, the UK’s very own Richard Nixon
He’ll need his ill gotten gains, where’s he going to get another job when he’s displaced in No 10? As a candle holder in a presbyterian cathedral?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8146584.stm
Apparently there’s a ladyboy culture permeating No.10.
Sorry that should be,” …….a ladyboy couture penetrating Brown’s inner circle.”
Folks like Gordon Brown are often star performers but find the traditional hiearchies and peer groups to be a royal pain in the ass. He’s a great leader and, I figure, the only reason folks are taking advantage is cuz they’re jealous.
It’s pretty fair to say I forsaw every major games design development over the past few years, so I know what I’m talking about. The issue of international financial policy is great but getting caught up in that is just going to take Labour’s eye off the ball. Miliband is a good frontman for advocating a better approach, but Labour MPs must focus, focus, focus on helping folks get stuff done and feeling like someone gives a shit. It sounds cliche but they will succeed if they help the people succeed.
Akhai banza!!!
If the Tories are this timid in opposition, how rotten they will be when they have to compromise their manifesto AFTER the election.
As for the gibberish of “Labour will steal our policies,” this is moronic.
1) If the Tories cared about the country, they should be delighted that Labour abandons socialism for common sense.
2) Labour can’t steal common sense policies without alienating the back bench loonies, so the government will likely fall sooner.
3) The Tories take the public for idiots who can’t tell that their policies are being copied, sooner or later the argument “let’s have people in who understand these policies” would win.
In 1992, I spent over 100 hours campaigning for the Tories and ran a branch that raised a couple of thousand pounds.
Anymore s*** like this and I will spend the same time and money backing anyone that will stop the Tories from taking office.
Dear All
Being Scottish, I know that you can’t trust a Tory.
The Tories are the party of greed and intolerence.
They don’t change; they want the big trough off Labour.
Yours sincerely
George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
I know being English, you can never trust a scotsman. They are greedy and intolerant. They let other people pay for their lifestyles. Alcohol is the major lifestyle.
Campaign for animal rights and lefts at the scottish polly technics.
Cut the Scots subsidy and that’s 32 billion per annum saved. Useful to England at a time like this.
Let them go. You know it makes sense.
Of course
Because then we can take the 32 billion charge to the English via Brussels and the Scots will have to do what we Belgians say while the English still pay
C’est normale non?
Thatcher was kept going on Scotland’s oil, I would remind you!
WAAAAKK! PRETTYPOLLY! PRETTYPOLLY! TWEE-PHEW!
George
Given your incessant outbursts against the Tories does this mean you see them as the major threat to the SNP in Scotland and that you have written Labour off ?
Dear resurgemus
The Tories are not a force in Scotland even with ex MI6 spy Andrew Fulton and his merc connections.
You have scum like John Anderson standing as a council candidate in Glasgow and I have issues with that clinically obese fat bastard.
Yours sincerely
George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
What we need is government that does less, not one that interferes with everything. We need less red tape, lower taxes, less regulation, and freedom to get on with our lives and run our businesses.
Labour don’t get it, they cannot stop meddling with things they do not understand. It’s in their bones, it’s part of their ideology, it’s dogma. That is part of the reason why the country is in such an appalling mess.
I see no vision from Brown, or from his puppet-master Mandelson. I see no hope, no opportunities, only a bigger and more unwieldy state sector for the rest of us to support. That’s not hope, it’s despair. Until Labour get that, it won’t matter their leader is. While I sometimes despair of Lib Dem or Tory strategy, I still know that they will be a great improvement.
I don’t care who takes over from Labour, whether it’s the Tories, the Lib Dems or the Monster Raving Loonies. Labour have to go.
Just when you thought Brown’s government couldn’t sink any lower, you go and read the Sunday Times’s lead story today and the comments it contains from “senior Labour figures”, including a minister. Here are the first few paragraphs:
“Senior Labour figures accused the head of the army last night of playing politics as he said that there were too few troops and helicopters in the Afghan war zone
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/5122953/so-whos-really-playing-politics-over-troop-numbers.thtml
Gen.D*nnatt says he needs 2000 more men and helicopters to win this battle and keep his men alive.
D*vid Cra*sby (who is he? other than some inconsequential labour mp) says
” Gen.Dannatt should just get on with the job. After the conflict- if there are any lessons to be learnt —we’ll consider it”
Translated ” Let our men die now for want of resources and reinforcements – we shan’t be in power by the time it’s realised we’re guilty of their deaths because of our negligence and indifference”
Those eight men will be coming home in coffins through Wootton Bassett next week sometime – when they do Mr Cra*sby- I’ll think of you – and every time after that as more and more of them come back in body bags.
Its outrageous Nell, and you are completely right to keep hammering this home. The other day someone – think SteveExpat mentioned how the families would be “howling with grief” and the phrase hit hard – it keeps reverberating in my mind.
Right’s Campaigners along with journalists from leading UK Media (hope Murdoch is backing this) are staging a demonstration, Monday, on Drowning Street.
They will be demanding a speedy withdrawal of British forces where they claim our lads are being used to fight an unwinnable war hich they believe is fast becoming the UK’s Vietnam (presstv.ir)
Wasn’t me who said that NewGirl – not that I disagree with the sentiment of course.
You either do war properly or you don’t do it at all. What’s the chance that once again there are no Ministers in Wooton Bassett next week – there haven’t been for the other 176 but maybe the nerve has finally been touched this weekend? One can hope…
Bet they’ll start going now they realise the press will be there in force. Leeches.
Sorry Steve and Newgirl –
but I don’t think any labour minister would dare show his face in Wootton Bassett next week – if they do I hope the thousands who are going to be there – lynch them . I think D*vid Cra*sby especially should be made to go.
Gordon also should go – it’d be a great end to his spell as the most failed disastrous prime minister ever!
I’d love to see Gordon go there, I’d take a good guess at what might be the sentiment of the locals towards him :-)
Twas me what said that about howling with grief. Was remembering scenes I witnessed/participated in after the dreaded knock on the door.
Really hit home, that description. Could imagine the utter anguish. Its too easy to just hear the news and not really take it in. The mothers and fathers sobbing still, reeling with shock and loss. Those lads are so young too, just babies. How can they live with themselves, costcutting on their lives…?
Remember that Sassoon poem The General…?
Something like (soz haven’t looked it up so not direct quote just what I remember)
“Good morning, Good Morning” the General said…
“He’s a cheery old soul”, said Harry to Jack…
As they slogged up to Arras with their packs on their backs.
But he did for them both
With his plan of attack.”
Only this time its not the Generals to blame.
BTW I didn’t blog last night – someone else pretended to be me..
Hey! don’t worry – sorry you were impersonated though – bet is was TAT!
It was me.
I thought it was you.
Well it definitely wasn’t me
cheeky fucking bastards eh?
Hallo real Tat! :-)
It definitely wasn’t us.
Charles has gone off for his early evening wanking shift. He should be finished soon, then I’ll rub his arm with voltarol cream to soothe those arthritic joints, read him a few gordon broon speeches before he settles in for the longer and more serious night shift wank, during which his screaming, inflamed, blistered red chipolata will be mercilessly pounded by his frenzied right hand, a mere blur as it cranks up and down like some victorian piston shaft.
Following the hideous sight of his vinager stroke face, an ice pack will be applied to sooth his tortured, steaming member.
Then he likes a story to get him to sleep – old Kinnock speeches are his favourite – before I tie his hands behind his back to keep them from further tormenting his shredded little pecker even as he sleeps.
he needs an early night tonight, he’s off to lik browns arse in the morning again. He loves it!
Dear Nurse
Wanking made the British Empire as it was the only cost effective past time for troops fighting abroad.
English Officers developed the stiff upper lip when bumming was rampant in order that soldiers could hear orders when they poked their heads out of the tents.
Yours sincerely
George Laird
The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University
Dear Nurse
Wanking made the Scots what they are today as it was the only cost effective past time they had as they didn’t have to pay for it either.This and alcohol of course.
Scots developed stiffs when bumming their pals as again it was free and it was rampant. Especially just after they came out of the pub again.
Yours insincerely
Georgie Laid but not often
The Campaign for Rights n lefts at the cheap polly, just outside the pub where we would bum each other.
haven’t been around since sat lunchtime so Nell, I didn’t tell you to give someone your phone number in last thread, nor post on this one. Had a quick look through, seems like TaT has been getting apoplectic..shame I’ve missed it..That will teach him to go round impersonating people he secretly clearly admires greatly- can be the only explanation he has for pretending to be Dr Mick, Engineer, Steve Expat, me and whoever else…
NewGirl – those young trolls on here wouldn’t want my phone number – I’m far too mature for them!
nell,
before I get your phone number I need to ask you a question: are you married?
I don’t date married women.
that is why I had to break it off with new girl. bloody slag.
it’s that hard done by husband of hers that I feel sorry for.
poor sap.
Why are you pretending you know anything about me Tat? But as far as your concerned, I’m definitely married, my husband is 6′5″ and strong as an ox, and he doesn’t gets very cross with kerb crawling TwaTs who swear at his wife… Keep your doors locked.
PS have you ever asked that question ” are you married?” and got the reply “single”?
Thought not.
It may be your chat up technique I’m afraid.
TAT marriage is a great institution much derided by this labour government.
Some of us however believe in staying loyal to one partner, having children in marriage and bringing them up to achieve and to understand that work is central to the stability and continuation of the family.
Labour’s policy in encouraging single mother’s and the breakdown of family life with out of control benefits has destroyed the fabric of our society.
cor, that got your hackles up innit.
anyway adulteress, I was not talking to you, I was asking nell a question before you so rudely interrupted.
so nell, are you up for the gig?
Go away, we only talk to the real Tat, not the dodgy impersonator.
Come on girls,when you get past Tats subtle and witty romantic reparte,he does actually make a lot of good points.
In reality,he spends his day watching re runs of Ghost and blubbing into his hanky.
At least,i think thats what he’s doing.
His windows get a good licking too.
OT
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1199099/Kill-soldiers-Muslim-blogger-job-Treasury-civil-servant.html
A Muslim civil servant suspended amid claims that he used his personal website to justify the killing of British troops in Iraq has returned to work at the Treasury.
Azad Ali, an IT worker and president of the Civil Service Islamic Society, was suspended on full pay for six months following comments on his blog.
In one post Mr Ali quoted an interview with an Islamic militant who said: ‘If I saw an American or British man wearing a soldier’s uniform inside Iraq I would kill him because that is my obligation.
‘If I found the same soldier in Jordan I wouldn’t touch him. In Iraq he is a fighter and an occupier, here he is not. I respect this as the main instruction in my religion for jihad.’
so they sack ( rather than discipline ) a 23 year old civil servant for criticising Hazel Blear’s flipping but this guy can stay ?
Perhaps the civil servant could have got away with it if she said Blear’s hand should be chopped off.
Methinks M*5 must be overstretched trying to cope with potential ’sleepers’ working in Whitehall these days.
they should start with the marxist running the MOD. He’s asleep on the job.
It isn’t just policing. For that to work, when you catch people you actually have to do something to them they really don’t like. We gave that up in the 1960s. Since then parliament has spent its time inventing new and unnecessary crimes which it only enforces against the essentially law-abiding. Welcome to liberal dystopia.
To think this blog used to be good, guido you need to sort stuff out, it has now become the charles e hardwidge and thick as thieves blog. i thought you had banned those twunts
if you thing its bad for thread “assasination”…..just wait till the election gets closer…no debate allowed,
Cry me a river. If you knew what crap I’ve had to deal with you wouldn’t be so quick to shove that whine down my neck. Let’s just say, I think, I’m dealing with issues better than some folks who may have just stubbed their toe, relatively speaking. Not saying your issues aren’t important to you but you may find being grateful for what you have got less stressful than throwing a snit. Folks really need to calm down and get some perspective.
Go on then , what issues and crap do you have to deal with, I thought you invented graphics fidelity, and was the Times inventor of the year
go thry pay your fucking mortgage on 64 fucking quid a week, because i lost my fucking job due to gordon mc fucking mentals great accounting skills, and there are no fucking jobs out there..ive no fucking savings left as ive been living off them for the past 6 months
I didnt get to sleep this morning till 3 because there were a gang of pissed up 13 year old that decided to take over mine, and 3 of our neighbours gardens…and when I phoned the police , the stupid police woman, just said “i advise you to stay indoors, and hope they go away……but what we van say is there is no patrols available to pay a visit”
another great example of policing under labour….the law abiding “citizen” is told to stay in fear in their own home…and the feckless can run fucking riot
issues, you got that fucking right charlie boy…you have major fucking issues….cry me a fucking river…..i love to fucking rip your head off and led you body float down the fucking river, you blinkered, state loving , self serving leftie twunt
typos…cos im fucking angry
Hey come on D – there’s lots of good people on this blog – and most of them will empathise with your situation – you should just ignore charles.
I got to shouting at him the other night and then realised it was the wrong road to go. He thrives on aggravation.
Re your comment on current policing – we need to highlight that more – they spend too much time on paperwork and not enough patrolling our streets and engaging with the community. When I was a girl (long ago) our local bobby knew every member of the community that he served. That’s what we need to get back to.
Another Labour failure.
No Nell,another Labour and Conservative failure.
Do you not think that they are two sides of the same coin?
Crime has been getting worse for god knows how many years.
Neither of them has really tackled the problem.
From “A short sharp shock” of Willie Whitelaw to “Tough on crime,tough on the causes of crime” of Tony Blair, they are just soundbites trotted out at conference time.
so nothing to do with ineffectual policing then ?
Mother Teresa was often asked to take part in protest marches. She always declined but said that she would join a march in favour of something.
Go figure.
Policing is policy,the Home Secretary decides police “Targets” “Customer satisfaction” “Prioritys”
Promotions are decided by ACPO,another political body.
Have you ever read Nightjack!
Phone up and say you think your neighbour is going to shoot them…
Check out Old Holborn
I can well remember marching alongside Mother Teresa as we called for Tony Blair’s head to be chopped off ( in a positive sense )
Kaizen she called ( a change for the better ) and we all received Pope John Paul’s blessing as he said ” that Blair he’s a useless gobshite who poisons everything he touches and his No2 is is certainly Brown”
phone up and say they are shouting racial abuse. they prioritise “hate crime” as its so much worse than normal “I quite like you” crime….
If you go out to protest,there’s no shortage of units available to police the demo.
If there are a gang of yobs causing trouble,there are no units available
Phone up.and say you are going to shoot your neighbour!
Sky News will be there before the rozzers!
Going back on topic, Inheritance Tax is the last tax to cut because it only taxes money that people didn’t earn and don’t need. Cutting it also would also have relatively little positive effect on the economy as windfalls from inheritances are typically used for paying off mortgages, going on expensive foreign holidays, retiring early or, in the case of large inheritances, just loafing about.
Guido is right. The first taxes to cut are taxes on earnings, starting at the bottom and the most effective cut would be to increase the threshold below which we pay no tax.
There is a thoroughly Tory way to finance tax cuts but Dave would have to keep quiet about it until after the election. Make Jobseeker’s Allowance end after six months, cut the minimum wage and stop people skiving off work just because they have an ingrowing toenail or eat/drink to excess. That could finance a serious tax cut for people on low incomes.
The tories need to kill the benefit culture. My mothr was widowed in er thirties and left with five of us to raise. She took two jobs ( 1 day – 1 evening) and told us we also would have to work as well as school. And we did.
Housing and every other Benefit should not be payable to young single women who chose to have children out of wedlock. The tories should tell them – if you do that you will have to live at home with your parents – we will not house you – and your parents will have to fund you – because the state will not.
That, more than this £multimillion labour scheme to cut teenage pregnancies which has just failed so spectacularly, is what WILL encourage single female teenagers into work and cut the shockingly young high and rising pregnancy rate.
That’s easy for someone with nothing to say and a mob behind her. I’ve talked about economics, philosophy, design, marketing, and given out a whole bunch of recommendations and tips. What have you ever done apart from get in the way or mouth off? Nada.
Worked. All my life. And proud of it.
Agreed. Who’s the father? Don’t know, don’t care…where’s my flat?
Agreed!
Labour = Moral Hazard.
Bailing out bankrupt banks,
“means” testing benefits,
encouraging poor heath choices through the NHS (makes no difference to your “premium)
Rewarding moral failure like taxpayer funded houses for pregnancy,
Making Schools a crèche to get both parents to work,
and all funded
By punishing the productive through fining the successful.
While I have a lot of sympathy with your view are you actually prepared to see homeless woman and baby on the street?
Or are you suggesting that the baby is taken away by sociaol services and put for adoption if the mother does not have a house to go to?
In the event it is a real live young girl and baby.
and a real taxpayer who’s made poorer to fund it..
Government is a transfer agency, when you buy failure you get more of it.
Real charity could cope with cases deserving of sympathy.
Yes, I can just see cuddly Dave leading the charge to cut housing and every other benefit to single parents.
Not.
Someone needs to. It’s called leadership.
Nu-Labour has proved to be reckless
In throwing our cash at the feckless,
The rot comes from the top
So when we give them the chop
They’ll know what it’s like to be cheque-less!
Oh dear its all going a little pear shaped for the McDoom
Shareholders turn their fire on PM over ‘disastrous’ Lloyds deal
GORDON BROWN was last night dragged personally into the row over Lloyds TSB’s disastrous takeover of HBOS. Furious Lloyds shareholders have demanded transcripts of secret negotiations between Mr Brown and the bank’s chairman Sir Victor Blank last July and September.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1199108/Shareholders-turn-PM-disastrous-Lloyds-deal.html
O/T sorry.
Cricket! ENGLAND HAS AN UNBELIEVEABLE DRAW.
Well done Panesar and Anderson!!!!!
What Fun!!
Sorry – didn’t watch it until now – of course it happended earlier!
It was nerve-wracking but great to see the Australians so thoroughly pissed off. Wor Colly showed true grit – as he always does. it appears he has been Monty’s batting buddy which explains how Monty and Jimmy kept going to the end.
I wondered if Gordon Brown had ‘phoned Ricky Ponting to congratulate him on his 150 for Australia. If so, it may be the only decent thing he has done for England, ever.
Typical of the English!
We celebrate a backs to the wall escape from defeat,more than we would a win
Fuck off Jock
you nomarks wouldn’t believe this but I’m still trapped in my fucking house because gideon and his bumboy bullingdon chums are still outside my front door wanking and shouting obscenities at me through the letter box. I think that retard charles hardwidge is out there with them too.
I’m starving. all I’ve had to eat today are two wagon wheels, three packets of smarties and half a packet of hobnobs which the care worker brought me on friday.
I was looking forward to a few mars bars, twixes and a few bottles of lucozade from the pak i shop but I can’t go over there because the bullingdons have got me trapped in my own fucking house the fucking motherfuckers.
Thats not the real TaT!
You have’nt called anyone a cripple!
fuck off you spastic. I’m thick as thieves, the one and only, the original and any more shit from you and I’ll kick your motherfucking arse off this blog.
who are you though? the mars bar one above or not?
who do you think I am you stupid fucking bitch? can’t you fucking read or something you thick tory retard?
Ignore him. He’s just a wannabee.
The real TaT creases me up!
Oh! you’re the fake Tat!
Ps Fake tat be careful, real Tat will be livid…
The real tat wil be livid will he? Didn’t you know that he’s a 15 year old schoolboy? He was outed on here months ago LOL
oh bless him. Is he crap at footie or something?
The real thick as thieves goes to bed at 7pm or his mummy gets cross.
Too obvious!
The real Tat is a baseball cap clad pensioner,with a can of special brew and some viagra he bought off E-bay.
Yes I think he’s an old man too. Bitter, rejected, product of a few failed marriages…
Think he’s gone though. Shame. I haven’t had much Tat Baiting time this weekend, and I do like to get my practice in.
I am a young man who looks like steve mcqeen.
you would not get a second look from me new girl because you are married.
if you weren’t married then it would be a different story completely.
try not to be such a bitter and bitchy old woman new girl.
it is most unattractive.
You have added sex pest to your list of attributes TaT. First you want to meet me, now Nell. This isn’t a dating site you know…..
Try one of those dating agencies, but for goodness sake, don’t just be the “real you” on it.
If I wasn’t married it would be a different story?? I AM soooooo married TAt.
Just so there’s no confusion,i’m married too,Tat.
or threatened to bash my brains out…
I don’t talk to girls.
(sobs quietly)
Don’t worry, someone from the Five-a-day taskforce will be round shortly. They are rolling out fruit for care in the community
PHWEEEEP! OOZEATWAT! K-K-K-K!
Take your pills and shut the feck up. You’re a bigger nonse that that Labour twat Singh Kohli.
News of the Screws just made this up! Let’s wait to hear about this alleged U-turn from the Tories themselves.
given the amount of idiotic, childish and abusive trolling on here now – THEY MUST BE WORRIED
you’re banned from this blog you stupid fucking retard.
Go away fake Tat
You’re not a girl. You’re a 45 year old bachelor with bo, halitosis, and feet fungus. You claim invalidity benefit for “stress”, still live at home with your mum, and have never had a girlfriend.
Who, me?
Bugger! Misog, someone’s sussed me!
You must be a dab hand with the old make up!
I find a trowel does wonders…
Could you do a makeover on Gordon?
You know,bring out his caring,sensitive,compassionate,heroic,renaissance man highlights?
Look, I’m a 45 year old bachelor with halitosis who can make myself look like a pretty,young, blue eyed blonde cheerleader. I’m not able to perform the sort of miracles you ask for though….
You need a mortician,not a scrape and paste jockey!
The News of the screws openly challenges the Guardian to hand phone tap evidence over to police if they have any.
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/news/402737/The-News-of-the-World-was-the-subject-of-some-ferocious-attacks.html
The conspiracy to smear Coulson by Labour, the BBC, and the Guardian is falling apart at the seams.
Yeah, but the conspiricy to smear Parliament,the BBC and the MSM is coming on a treat!
Top cop attacks the Guardian for attempting to smear Coulson:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1199176/Detective-rejects-claims-News-World-hacked-phones-thousands-public-figures.html
Labour’s smear campaign against Coulson has failed. Brown gets it wrong again.
It’s the Police that are sitting on a mountain of evidence.
And if you the think the hacking, bugging and blagging was not systemic and routine, not only for the News of the World but every Red top and some broadsheets, then you are as adoreably gullible as those who believed that Politicians and their Expenses piggery was only confined to one or two “bad apples” before the Expenses disk landed.
A man who quit to avoid even the friendly questioning of the PCC will be an amusing sight in front of a select committeee of MPs eviscerated and bruised from the Newspapers Expenses revelations.
It would have been better to have gone along with Ken Clarke a couple of months ago when he said “the IHT cut was an aspiration”, but better late than never. The Tories had to shoot Labour’s fox on this issue, given the dreadful state of the public finances and the need to slash public spending.
Next step is to drop the ridiculous pledges to maintain Labour’s ruinous levels of spending on the NHS and International Aid.
Two and a half cheers then. Don’t get me wrong, I think IHT is an iniquitous tax which should be scrapped altogether – but now is not the time, with the Government PSBR going through the stratosphere!
A wise man once said the Kingdom of God was at hand. Life can be a bit like that, as we get caught up in ourselves or the moment we can trample the daises. Anger and tears just obscure the present. By looking inside and seeing the potential, maybe, we can realise some of it. And that’s the real everyday miracle we all need.
You obviously,are not that wise man.
Oh charles my Ladehosen are bursting with man love for your erotic words , hardwidge for labour party chairman
Thee BBC is out of control – lots of potential savings here methinks
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/5810696/BBC-spent-tens-of-thousands-on-Cranford-lobbying-trips.html
The best saving is not to piss £142:50 down the drain
I would like to hear that Gordon and
Bob, that excuse for a defence minister and,
David Cra*sby labour mp, who thinks we should just throw soldiers lives away without debate, are all going to be present at Wootten Bassett when our eight brave dead young men are brought home next week.
Courage! The word gordon lives by so he says. Prove it gordon!! Be there with your two useless cronies!!!!
No! He will stand in the safe enviroment of the HoC and cry crocodile tears,and then Cameron will attempt to match him before getting on with business as usual.
Afghanistan is Brown’s Iraq.
What happened to Tony Blair again ?
Alan Jonhson will be collecting names before the end of the year.
Blair was the MacArthur,and Gordon is Gen King left behind to hold the line
Actually I think its Brown’s VIETNAM!!!
Half of PMQs this week is going to be taken up with names of the dead. Unless they decide that they’ll just do the numbers from now on.
Please CMD, Clegg, ANYONE, ask about the war. Gone on, mention it. And let Gordie stumble over some trite explanation that says All is well and all manner of things shall be well.
Well – he’ll say something stupid like ‘We are winning’ —-
That’s what the Yanks kept saying when they were fighting and losing in Vietnam. We all know how that ended and Afghanistan is going the same way.
Think of that when you listen to gordon at Wednesday’s QT.
Heard on BBC Radio news this morning, Gordoom telling the nation that our activities in Afghanistan is keeping terrorism off the streets of Britain.
Erm… how, exactly? The terrorists seem to be training themselves elsewhere, these days….
If the Tories won’t cut taxes, excluding income tax, then what is the point of them?
Ironic that both Labour and Tories are abandoning their core votes at the same time and the LibDems are still incapable of attracting them.
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Dave is doomed to failure. Weak, impressionable, shallow, surrounded by ignorant gravy train followers all of whom have never done a day’s work outside politics other than Duncan who carried post bags for Rich people.
Pathetic. Voting for them is a waster of time. And I’m a Tory.
Just take a look at the Tory Candidate’s List. Useless, hopeless second raters.
God help us all.
In a piece on the Toady programme this morning, they quoted a report that declared that there were 29,000 professional politicians in the UK. If you take an average loaded cost to the taxpayer of £51K that means that we are paying £1.5 billion a year for politicians.
An unaffordable luxury.
You call that a luxury?!
£1.5 billion would buy a lot of dancing girls!
The ‘people’ read newspapers for their news. The people this blog talks to have something to say even if you disagree with it. But it is a small and self-selecting sample. Taking a punt, I’d say that apathetic voters are more likely to be swing voters. I do think there need to be major changes; I don’t think they can be announced until the Tories have the upper hand. If that comes before the election, it’s a good indication they are going to do a decent job after all. If it comes with the election result, it’s going to tell me that Labour just did a worse job, and then I go stab myself or something.
The Inheritance TAX is a tax on death. In fact, it is a tax on a tax on a tax.
You work; you pay income tax on that money. You’re taxed for national insurance. You buy things like a house and you pay stamp duty tax. You purchase things such as a car and pay VAT. You are taxed to watch TV. You’re taxed for driving your car. You’re taxed for living in your house and being alive in the general area of it. You’re taxed if you want to leave that area other than by walking. You’re taxed to buy a passport and leave this country. You’re taxed by stealth through a whole host of taxes called “fines”, which are really taxes by another name as a way for the local council to steal your money, and you’re taxed to pay for people to administer and collect those taxes. You’re taxed for half of Britain’s “disenchanted” to sit on their arse all day and take / pedal drugs while watching Jeremy Kyle. You’re taxed to pay for the education of children you don’t have (because unlike half of Britain’s working class, you don’t see kids as a living GIRO cheque and the keys to a free house), for the transport you don’t use (because it’s unreliable), the healthcare you don’t use (because if you do you’ll likely die) and the pension you won’t use (because you’re so stupid you’ve actually saved money in your personal pension instead of being baled out by the state, who will now means test you for it, and slash interest rates)
If after all that you have any money left, any interest you make on that money left is taxed. If you make over a poultry percentage of growth on investments, you then get taxed yet again.
After all this, with your tuppence left from the original pound you earned and the cardboard box family home you’re living in (costing £500k in London) pledged to be split to your children on your death – probably caused by over gasping from being taxed so many times – You then can look down (or Up) as you see the HMRC kick your children out of the house and force them to sell it, take half their tuppence in cash, and rip the shirt from your rigor-mortised back.
And does any of this money go towards growing the British culture, to developing our traditional strengths in science and engineering? To making us world leaders in the education or social development of our children? .. Does it F&^%. Instead we have an ideology that is designed around turning the average person into a slack-jawed troglodyte, sucking off the nipple of the socialist state; Reared in captivity, and now unable to compete in the wild.
The whole idea of an inheritance tax, goes against the underlying right of people to freedom. Freedom to live their lives with choice; The choice to be as involved or not with the current norm of society and state. This Tax ties a person to the state like a leech attached to the arse of a fat man and sucks and sucks and sucks, restricting freedom and preventing diversity and innovation.
This must not happen!! That is why the Tories got so much support for their promise. Because it isn’t a “Tax for the rich” as ZanuLab like to call it. It’s a tax on a tax on a tax for anybody living in London. The cost of Houses means that any child receiving a house from their parents, one which they may have grown up in and lived for most of their life, will have to sell it to pay that fat unelected Fu*&^%@ Gormless, Brown Finger, Comrade Brown.
And besides that – It’s just not Cricket!