July 6th, 2009

Tories Propose 17 New Quangos

David Cameron has just held a press conference where he told the assembled hacks

“it would be far too simplistic for me to stand here and announce some kind of ‘Bonfire of the Quangos.’ People have heard that kind of talk many times before, and seen little to show for it. Instead, we need a more sophisticated approach. Yes we need to reduce the number, size, scope and influence of quangos…”

Well here are 17 quangos the Tories have proposed:

1. Office of Tax Simplification
2. Office of Budget Responsibility
3. Free national financial advice service
4. ‘Sports Commission’ (Australian model)
5. Office for Civil Society
6. Social Investment Bank
7. Skills advisory service for service personnel
8. Service for families of departing armed forces personnel
9. Military inquest family advisory service
10. International Aid Watchdog
11. Innovative Projects Agency
12. National Foundation for STEM
13. HealthWatch
14. Defence Export Services Organisation
15. All Age Careers Service
16. Voluntary Action Lottery Fund
17. A ‘development agency for libraries’

Source : Labour Party press office.

Andrew Neil gave Phil Hammond a roughing up this morning on the Daily Politics (2 mins 40 secs in):

Even Nick Robinson is dissecting the internal contradictions of Cameroon quango reformism versus Thatcherite quango burning.  The Tories of course propose to create the biggest quango in history – the Independent NHS Board…


507 Comments

  1. 1
    Anonymous says:

    I’m all in favour of number 5… Far too much rudeness about these days … esp from shop assistants… What sanctions is he proposing?

    • 20
      Master Baiter says:

      Civil Society from an Old Etonian and Bullingdon Club scoffer, ha, haha, ha, ha, haha, dee har har.

      • 27
        jgm2 says:

        Ahhh. The ‘go to’ class war rebuttal.

        • 28
          jgm2 says:

          It’s just jobs for the Tory apparatchiks. Fire everybody in Labour quangos ‘cos they’re completely politicised and create Tory quangos stuffed with Tory sympathisers with the money you save.

        • 53
          The Archbishop of Canterbury says:

          Is there an email address for job applicants?

        • 87
          I am Sick says:

          “Is there an email address for job applicants?”

          If you have to apply then you are not in the charmed circle and have absolutely no chance of ever being selected. Jobs for the boys, the old boys and friends of the former.

          New boss, same old firm.

        • 128
          Roger Daltrey says:

          New boss
          Same as the old Boss

        • 181
          Mr Ned says:

          Agreed, I mean the source of this information is the Labour party press office… Since when has the labour party presented accurate, honest, truthful or correct information about anything?

          I was reading the list of proposed quangos with interest until I saw the source. It is obviously a load of bollocks.

        • 285

          OH has the Bilderberg attendee list for 2009. Mandelson AND Osborne I see

        • 287
        • 455
          Harriet Dromney says:

          Labor always spell Labour correctly so there is accuracy on their press releases

      • 126
        The Baiter's Master says:

        Mr King of Wanks, you comments are not relevant or constructive infact they are crap and terribly unfunny. No huck off you troll ponce until feeding time. May I apologize to all who have taken offence from the wanker’s comments I forgot to lock his cage and turned my back for an instant. Like all socialisits he was on his toes quicker than you could say “Brown is a hoon”.

      • 177
        Anonymous says:

        Quite funny really, given that mummy and daddy aren’t short of a few quid, are they Jonty?

      • 251
        conspiracy theory says:

        Smallwidge why dont you fuck off and take your drole comments, somewhere where they might want to listen to you ? Try mars you twat

      • 252
        Trevor says:

        This is the problem – some quangos are good ideas and the more we distrust government the more we want a quango to oversee the govt – like the budgetary responsibility one.
        If newspapers were perfect (and boring) we would not need a press complaints commission.

        Reducing quangos does not mean never ever creating another one.

        The other point is the cost of quangos and the wages their bosses draw.

        So all in all Cameron’s caution is well placed – hardly a motive for attacking the conservatives. All a bit self serving Mr Fawkes.

        (Would master bater prefer a party led by someone who dressed up in an SS Uniform at university ??.)

        • 468
          Quango Quid says:

          Philip Hammond was crap in that interview. Soft, soft, soft. Kelvin said what we wanted to hear.

    • 21
      Brian says:

      The Office of Civil Society isn’t a quango, but a division of a Whitehall department. Same goes for the other “Offices”, probably.

    • 23
      MI6 says:

      So that is it Dave don’t upset any one. What about stop invading Afghanistan and let the Taliban stop the Heroin trade like they did before we invaded. It would save the Criminal justice system a few billion, Not to mention the 6 Billion spent on the Drugs which could be legalised and sold to the Knackers that take them. Oh sorry it might reduce the need to smash peoples doors down and frighten the public. Oh shit we may as well just keep it as it is cause paying off any public servants won’t do. There is more people doing non commericial activity than ever before think of the Police force that has been built over the last few years on the Drug business. And the government expect us to believe its some dross of a council estate who are behind the whole thing

      • 33
        jgm2 says:

        We’re just following the insane US agenda on this. Same as Brown used Greenspan and Bush’s lax economic policy as an excuse to let our own economy go to shit.

    • 29
      Mickey Crickie says:

      Quancome, quango – that’s life

      • 38
        Dan Tory says:

        Everyone is so negaive, what’s really needed is a Quando attitude.

        • 80
          MI6 says:

          I remember the West taking great pleasure at the Soviets paying the Police in Turnips. HA ha. By the Time this government and I don’t mean the Labour knackers I am on about the real Government the ones we don’t know the names of, have finished with this country. It wont be Quango’s that will need shutting.

      • 203
        Quango Quid says:

        quango left and quango right so i’ll just go in the middle.

        It’s quango quazy around here

      • 472
        Hainous Hoon says:

        You know when you’ve been Quangoed

    • 213
      thick as thieves says:

      I told you tory trolls but you didn’t want to listen: dave’s a useless c’unt.
      not only is he a useless bastard he is also a millionaire housing benefit cheat and fraudster.
      what a total fucking wanker, eh?
      fit to run the country?
      yer ‘aving a fucking larf.

      • 221
        Matt C says:

        i’ll be man enough to apologise for being a thicko

        • 254
          thick as thieves says:

          fuck off matt, you’re bn p you Hunt.
          you’re just a crazy crackerjack honky nazi.
          you are not welcome here matt.
          fuck off.

        • 291
          Matt C says:

          loooooooooooooool don’t be racist against the whiteman now we’ll soon be playing your own card against you.

        • 300
          thick as thieves says:

          fuck off crackerjack.
          and take your bn p white supremacist kkk friends with you.
          honky.

      • 257
        oldrightie says:

        TaT, what a delightful chap you are. Must be pill time soon.

    • 270
      Lev Davidovich Trotsky says:

      This is indeed a real 0% increase

      • 278
        One Who Probably Knows says:

        Don’t be silly Thick as Thieves! Everybody knows that there are only about 2 Conservatives on Con Foam these days anyway – it’s full of trolls!

    • 449
      Wossat? says:

      More proof that Cameron’s ideas of how to get us out of the shit are just as retarded as Brown’s.

      String the frigging lot of ‘em up and start again from scratch.

    • 507
      Hitler Jackpot says:

      They’ll be putting Gaffe Hoon on number 5, but only as a figurehead. No-one will talk to him, as it would be awfully uncivil if they had to keep saying Hoon all the time.

  2. 2
    Father Jack says:

    What the feck is number 12?

    • 37
      MI6 says:

      Thatcher said the same Blair said the Same. These Qunagocrats are running the country and will only grow. Talk is cheap Cameron. I bet you don’t get passed the first post. What about all the top heavy management in every public service apart from the military. All of these public funded bodies are too top heavy as they are not commercially accountable. Its a Start Cameron but I don’t believe it. You would do better by cutting all of the wages apart from the lowest paid by around 10% that would show willing. At least they are getting paid not like the poor sods in the private sector bankrupt by too high energy costs, No wonder no one can afford to operate in UK PLC with energy being 35% more than other parts of the world. Bankrupt Britain. Do we not mean over taxed Britain to pay for over paid public servants and their pensions

      • 277
        Trevor says:

        Point is society is so complex and/or regimented. Trouble is we are not (or are we?) in favour of anarchy.

        Big problm is the wages some of these people get. Undo the need for a function anf=d remove the quango – but if there is a need then it will still have to be done by a civil servant.

    • 64
      The Archbishop of Canterbury says:

      Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics

      • 88
        MI6 says:

        Ah yes that would fix it. But there ain’t no money in the Private sector to pursue and viable technology or scientific process to get us out this sh-t. The Chinese are doing a great job pursuing all of the Oil exploration in Iraq. Well done the USA and Great Britain for getting rid of Saddam so that the chinese can get at the OIL.

        • 116
          Pacifist to the face says:

          I actually found this quite amusing as it kicks in the balls any loser who bangs on about we only went to war because of oil!

          Really then why aren’t we getting any?

          We went to war becasue of WMD’s that Bush Snr/Reagan sold to Saddam and Bush Jr wanted back. Well actuallyn thats not true we (the UK) went to war because Blair wanted to be a statesman with a ‘legacy’.

          That worked well…

        • 256
          thick as thieves says:

          try to keep up cripple.
          they’ve just signed the contracts with British companies you retard!
          why don’t you keep your bullshit to yourself.
          thankyou.

        • 333
          Doctor Mick says:

          They just signed up with BP because BP did what the Chinese do – undercut everyone else. The problem BP will have is manning these projects. Even the BP head honcho for Iraq sits safely in Kuwait.

        • 456
          McMental's Gammy Eye says:

          WRONG! The” super gun” The biggest gun ever built found in Iraq Was built in Sheffield By ForgeMasters Most of his CNC wepon manufacturing equiptment also came from the UK !

      • 406
        EUSSR says:

        Its all run by us. and you spent all that money fighting a cold War, so we went through the Balkans and beyond to Russia’s door and.
        Barack O bullshit Say’s can we cut the dependency now

        • 477
          Furious Capitalist says:

          Sorry to disapoint everone but the Chinese National Oil Company have been working in Southern Iraq even before British troops left. So never mind the BP contracts. I mean the Chinese wanted something for lending the USA the Cash to fight the War, didn’t they?

    • 131
      Joe Girardi says:

      I demand that it be called

      The National Foundation of

      Mathematics
      Engineering
      Technology
      Science

    • 162
      Escape to victory says:

      Soapy Titwank Endogenous Masturbation:

      CEO £167k p.a. – no spotty 14yr old boys need apply.

  3. 3
    Not Anita Anand says:

    I watched The Daily Politics live, and the Conservative made himself look a right idiot in front of Andrew Neil with such simplistic questioning of the QUANGO’s policy.

    You know when you’ve been QUANGO’d

    • 11
      • 48
        MI6 says:

        Quango means in effect not real. We have a load of not real bodies drawing Billions of public funds and spending it on wages and pensions and all the other things you spend money on running a business, only difference is these organisations don’t make anthing apart from policy. So its all out and nothing in, sounds a bit Soviet Union and it looks like we are going to get the same result. Yes BANKRUPT

      • 55
        DZ says:

        Antibiotics

        • 84
          grandma B says:

          I did like the idea of reducing the salaries of QUANGO chiefs who earned over £400 K, or, more than the Prime Minister. Perhaps a reduction to around £100K (no expenses), then they’d be in the 50% tax bracket. Whether they’re worth that, I have my doubts. Whether they’ll do it – pigs might fly!

        • 108
          I am Sick says:

          “I did like the idea of reducing the salaries of QUANGO chiefs who earned over £400 K, or, more than the Prime Minister.”

          Its just a soundbite, there is nothing Cameron could do to change pay structures without massive law suits and costs, for constructive dismissal and breach of contract.

          There are thousands of these high level Quangocrats and everyone of them would use millions of pounds, of your money, to keep their golden sinecure and gilded pensions.

          The only way to get rid of them would be to close the Quango`s and pay billions in redundancy, call me Dave up for that? Not a chance.

          Hot air from call me Dave and cynically, he knows it.

        • 195
          grandma B says:

          As I said “pigs might fly”, but what happens if the country runs out of money?
          Something’s got to give – hope it’s not my state pension.

        • 242

          “…what happens if the country runs out of money? Something’s got to give – hope it’s not my state pension”

          Your state pension’s already gone.

          A pump-action Remington 870 and a room full of tinned food would be useful.

        • 261
          Alan Philip Bonggg says:

          And align public sector pay with private sector. The average public sector worker earns more than the average private sector worker (based on median pay). Pobably because the public sector hasn’t (so far) gone bankrupt due to excessive pay demands.

        • 268
          jgm2 says:

          But shutting down these quangos and paying redundancy is the way forward.

          The budget will include the cost of running these pointless things annually. Sure, it’s a one-off up-front ‘hit’ but they can’t all be entitled to a full years salary so overall it still works out cheaper to simply fire them over the cost of the year.

          After six months or so you’re home free. Sure you may have to pay them a bit of unemployment benefit after they’d blown all their redundancy money but it still has to be cheaper than paying these bastards to sit around there getting in the way of folk who are trying to do a job.

          Fire them all.

          Then, if any actually turn out to be useful re-employ them on different contracts under differently named quangoes and make sure there are no hiding places for failed Labour apparatchiks ‘managing’ their own pointless little empire of idiocy.

      • 259
        going down the pan says:

        GUIDO: Charly E Hardwidge is back annoying us again under his various guises . Can you not get rid of him for good ? He’s a tit !

    • 219
      caesars wife says:

      i know but Kelvin Mckenzie , Anne Diamond and Andrew Neil , was worth the license fee alone .

      be a hoot if Kelvin stands for parliment .

      Ime a sucker for 80s newpaper edittors , breath of fesh air compared to useual “dont be controversial” lot .

      them weret days, half hour before presses rolled , cigar and whiskey , “wheres the story that will pay your bloody wages !!”

      • 223
        grandma B says:

        Kelvin Mckenzie is my kind of guy. I also have a soft spot for Boris Johnson.

      • 279
        Trevor says:

        He his just a loud mouth – like us on these boards. Could he do anything for real? of course not.

        • 489
          Quango Quid says:

          Except for run a national newspaper and set up Talksport and other firms in the private sector creating jobs and wealth?

          No i’d much prefer my MP to be a loyal party worker with a background in PR.

  4. 4
    bandersnatch says:

    bandersnatch has gone all anonymous again… sorry … it was just that i jumped at Diamond Dave’s quango 5 for getting us all to be polite to one another… a true conservative virtue…

  5. 5
    jgm2 says:

    Jobs for the Tory boys.

    Close all the Labour quangoes stuffed with Labour placemen, replace them with Tory quangoes stuffed with Tory placemen. A lot easier than systematically trying to fire the Labour apparatchiks in existing quangoes.

    Simple.

    • 123
      Pacifist to the face says:

      Okay the Tories are proposing 17 new Quangos, fine but how many are they proposing to scrap? if its more than 17 then whats the problem?

      I think this could be Liebour spin look the Tories are making 17 NEW QUANGOS oh and by the way they are also getting rid of 47 net result 30 less.

      Anyone know the full story?

      • 240
        Anonymous says:

        i totally agree, there is more to this story. if they can get rid of more than 17 quangos, that is logic and common sense.

    • 457
      Harriet Dromney says:

      Precisely.

      Whereas Harriet Harman is trying for jobs for Labour girls like Emily Benn and Georgia Gould quite openly and transparently.

  6. 6
    mad fred 2 para retired says:

    New Tories, New Labour – no difference except the rosette colour.

    • 475
      insert-coin-here says:

      The difference between the two lies in the backbenches.

      It wil be interesting to see how many of the tory backbench retain the courage of their convictions once in power.

  7. 7
    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    The problem with modern politics is that it is too big & meddlesome.

    What happened to Tories who believed in small Government & low taxes?

    The main three parties are just fading into the same centreground social democratic mediocrity – & taking our future with them.

    Dissolve Parliament.

    • 66

      The Tories aren’t Tories anymore. They are Blue Labour Centrist Social Democrat Fabian Fifth Columnists, or at least run by someone who creates a fertile breeding ground for them within their walls.

    • 288
      Trevor says:

      They have not gone away – but once you let the spending genie out of the bottle its not easy to put it back, especially before an election. Look at the way labour are already trying to whip up panic amongst various special interest groups.

      Even after an election it will not be easy – IIRC labour have doubled public spending in 12 years. Even if I am out by a bit its an enormous increase. The best bet is to take action immediately on gaining office whilst the will and the support is still there. I believe everyone is quoting a Canadian experience.

  8. 8
    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    The problem with modern politics is that it is too big & meddlesome.

    What happened to Tories who believed in small Government & low taxes?

    The main three parties are just fading into the same centreground social democratic mediocrity – & taking our future with them.

  9. 9
    righty right wing (mrs) says:

    Apologies for the double

  10. 10
    not auspicious says:

    Shouldn’t have launched this discussion in this way … so simple for them to be picked off.

  11. 12
    nigella says:

    they still don’t GET IT.

    • 19
      Michael Fowke says:

      And they never will! They don’t want to get it.

      • 70
        Guido Fawkes says:

        *** CLAP ***

        • 139
          Augeas says:

          Guido
          I think you may have been had, as the story seems to have come from the Treasury, ie a plant. But there is no harm in firing a shot across Cameron’s bows.

          There’s nothing in his gang’s CVs that would enable them to get it about eliminating waste. Just like ZaNu, they are career politicos, only with a salesman flavour rather than a Stalinist one. Cameron is close to Christopher Moran, who has the distinction of having been banned from Lloyd’s, the London Stock Exchange and the New York Stock Exchange.
          Also, it is NOT all right if they set up 17 new Quangos and close down 18 – the whole structure is wrong in many cases because it undermines accountability. Somebody has to do a proper job for each one, and decide whether they should be shut down, moved back under direct ministerial control, or left “independent”, if their bosses can show they are genuinely independent and offer value for money.

  12. 13
    bandersnatch says:

    Who is the Australian model he has lined up to oversee the Sports Commission?

  13. 14
    Anonymous says:

    We need small government not more government. Then increase the personal tax allowance to £12,000 pa taking millions of pensioners and low-paid workers out of the tax system altogether.

    • 95
      MI6 says:

      Couldn’t do that it would put to many public servants out of work. Bit like leagalising drugs can’t do that either. Too many people making too much money from it and employing too many in the Public service sector.

    • 130

      Even better scrap income taxes and VAT, have a Land Value and Intellectual Property Value tax and give everyone an EQUAL citizens dividend with what’s left after the states takes a cut.

      The CD is a powerful way to minimise the state to it’s core functions.

      • 167
        ELF says:

        “Intellectual Property Value tax”

        How does this work ?

        • 182
          Lord Carter says:

          £5 on your telephone line. 95% to Treasury, 5% to Quangos representing creatives.

          Double base tax annually.

        • 397

          The company that owns the IP sets a price, and pay a yearly fee say 7% of it’s value each year.

          The IP can be bought out at that price.

          It would provide revenue for the C.D., and also make IP licensing much more likely instead of it’s current use as a competition blocker.

      • 225
        thick as thieves says:

        have a land value tax?
        are you stoned or are you just anti-royalist?
        a land tax would bankrupt the Queen you fucking moron.
        DOH!
        I’ve got you marked down as a communist revolutionary after reading your anti-monarchy rant, anticitizen.
        I fucking hate commies like you.
        you are subversive scum and so I feel duty bound to bash the brains out of your turncoat skull.
        better put your tin hat on motherfucker.

        • 241
          NewGirl says:

          someone called TaT pretending to be you on other threads Twat…can tell its not tho cuz he’s much nicer.

        • 267
          Augeas says:

          Agree with you TaT, he’s been smoking something pretty powerful.
          How much money can you raise with an intellectual property tax when everyone is downloading stuff and file-sharing? (If they aren’t already, they soon will be.)
          And a Land Value Tax takes property values to zero in a heartbeat, which may be a good thing as it makes housing affordable although it busts the few remaining solvent banks, but similarly raises bugger all money.

        • 271
          thick as thieves says:

          I think you are trying to goad me into spanking you new girl.
          will you pack it in pleade? I am trying to be serious this evening and the thought of slapping your big round buttocks with a long wooden ruler is putting me right off my stroke…..hmmm hold on, that’s not right is it?
          see what I mean?
          leave it.

        • 282
          The Sky is Falling Down says:

          Henny Penny needs to be carefull of Foxy Loxy.
          Remember what happened to Cocky Locky, Ducky Lucky, Goosey Loosey and Turkey Lurkey.

        • 286
          NewGirl says:

          Misog?!

        • 289
          NewGirl says:

          Actually twat I woudn’t want those paws anywhere near me.

        • 298
          Anonymous Misogynist says:

          Hi, where’ve you been?

        • 308
          thick as thieves says:

          you misunderstand new girl: my ‘paws’ would not make any contact whatsoever, the only thing that would impact on your skin would be a 1 metre wooden ruler which I propose using to wack repeatedly and vigorously against your ample buttocks.
          now, can we go ahead on that basis?

        • 313
          Ramsbottom says:

          And when you come back in t’mornin they’d still be wobblin

        • 314
          Anonymous Misogynist says:

          Hey TwAt, your fighting a losing battle you perv!

        • 318
          thick as thieves says:

          your just jealous about me and new girl gettin’ it on!
          fuck off you creepy peeping tom.

        • 319
          Anonymous Misogynist says:

          You couldn’t ‘get it on’ if you were using viagra!

        • 350
          NewGirl says:

          Hi Misog. I’ve been a bit busy…are you ok ?
          Fuck off TwaT I can’t be arsed(!) to humour you tonight.

        • 352

          Thick Ass Troll
          Please ask your care-worker/parent to increase the dosage of medicine they give you. Also your internet access isn’t helping your sanity. For your own health I suggest you take a break.

        • 360
          Anonymous Misogynist says:

          Hi NewGirl, I’m OK thx, if a bit knackered. sailed down to Almeria, only got back this morn.
          I see TwAT is his normal profane self?

        • 369
          NewGirl says:

          Yep some things never change, though in his delusion I think he thinks he’s profound, not profane…

        • 373
          Anonymous Misogynist says:

          Ha, ha, yeah, there are other words begining with ‘P’ that I can think of tho’. He must be on his ‘meds’ break at the mo, better get ready for the onslaught when they kick in.

        • 377
          NewGirl says:

          He’s apparently started talking about spanking quite a lot….even Nell…he is desperately in need of therapy

        • 384
          thick as thieves says:

          so, is that a no?

        • 385
          Anonymous Misogynist says:

          A couple of electrodes on his cajones and 1000 volts at 5 amps would be my prescribed therapy. Why waste money on dross like TWaT?

        • 388
          NewGirl says:

          He’d probably enjoy it though…

        • 390
          NewGirl says:

          got to get my beauty sleep night all x

    • 409
      Steve Expat says:

      Anon, you’re right. Why is someone working 40 hours a wek at the minimum wage paying any tax at all? Most of them are claiming ‘benefits’ anyway, it’s just the ‘system’ keeping people in work taking with one hand and giving with another.

      Make the income tax allowance about 12 grand, and tax everything above that at around 25%. You’ll see an Increase in tax revenue as “tax planning” becomes less relevant and people come back into the “system” and pay their dues.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_tax for more details…

  14. 15
    Booooooooo says:

    Pretty sure he said he wanted to review each Quango with a few to getting rid of some – I think he even praised the idea of them – not that he was waging war on them, but who am I to piss on the Labour Party Press Office’s cornflakes. They’ve never tried to mislead me before.

    Personally, I’d rather select committees were strengthened and they had more responsibility for this kind of thing, but select committees are just like Quangos in respect of how party leaders treat them – talk tough, do nothing.

  15. 16

    What we need is less government, not more. The Office for Civil Society stinks of communitarianism.

  16. 17
    Chartered Accountant says:

    I’d be inclined to protect the Office of Tax Simplification.

    Only question is ‘which aspects of tax have you simplified to date?’

    Er…..

    • 243
      Steve Expat says:

      In 1997, the Tax Code was in 2 volumes. In 2009, it is in 5 volumes each with smaller print than the ’97 works. There is also now another volume of notes to go alongside.

      How’s about Dave make tax much simpler for us all, and save billions of pounds in accountancy costs for individuals and small businesses. As well as raise revenues from those who currently spend big money on consultants on tax avoidance measures.

      Remember that even the Chancellor had to pay an accountant to complete his personal tax return, how fucked up is the system when the guy in charge needs professional help to sort out his own affairs?

      • 249
        NewGirl says:

        I’m just not bothering any more with paying any..I don’t feel i get value for money.

        • 269
          HMRC says:

          We know where you live.

        • 283
          NewGirl says:

          Its all within the rules…just depends on how you interpret them..

        • 328
          Steve Expat says:

          I’ve not paid any for a couple of years now – leaves more money in the beer kitty :-)

        • 332
          Engineer says:

          Do tell – we’re agog…..

        • 351
          NewGirl says:

          Bloody expats….Sooooo jealous!

        • 358
          Engineer says:

          Think of all the good things the expats are missing. Like, errr….

        • 362
          Steve Expat says:

          Sorry NewGirl!

          The beer is 5 or 6 quid a pint here though :-(

        • 363
          Doctor Mick says:

          Non-resident for income tax purposes. Provided you return to the UK no more than 90 days in any one tax year then you do not pay any income tax on income wholly earned overseas. As salaries in Dubai are crap these days it’s the only financial incentive for going there. There are other compensations in Dubai of course.

        • 365
          Engineer says:

          Phew! They are missing a good thing! Real Ale £1-60 a bottle in Sainsbury’s.

        • 370
          Steve Expat says:

          Dr Mick, are you in Dubai?

        • 374
          NewGirl says:

          Ok welllll you’re missing..pub gardens…leather on willow…the smell of the rain on cut grass…greenery absolutely everywhere….fields full of hay and corn and horses swishing lazy tails…..the scent of barbeques…village fetes….sports days….cornish beaches….rockpools…crabbing….builders breakfasts…people calling you “love” and “me duck”….cream teas….ice cream vans….warm beer….Walkers crisps….

        • 378
          Engineer says:

          Walkers crisps…..not a patch on Tyrell’s.

        • 386
          NewGirl says:

          I’m not sure about those parsnip ones though…

      • 336
        Anonymous Misogynist says:

        Britain needs Gogs!

        • 342
          Engineer says:

          Aaahhhh… the old ones are the best!

        • 347
          Anonymous Misogynist says:

          I’ve not paid tax in the UK either, I don’t live there!

        • 367
          Steve Expat says:

          AM, it’s good isn’t it, watching all this shit happen from afar?

          I’d come back tomorrow if I thought that the 75% of my income that disappears in various taxes (in the UK) was actually put to good use by the elected representatives…

        • 400
          Anonymous Misogynist says:

          Steve, it’s a sad state of affairs in the UK. I got out 3 years ago and only go back to visit, wouldn’t go back to live there for a gold clock and 0% tax, which aint gonna happen anytime soon.

          Liebour have screwed it all, like they always do. It’s gonna take the Tories (IF they win) a long time to right the ship, then they’ve got to pump out the water. It’ll take 12 years of pain before any gain, then the whole game will start again. I’m glad I’m out but feel for those that don’t have the choice or the want to leave.

        • 405
          Steve Expat says:

          Well said. It’s sad but true.

          I’m just too young to really remember the last Labour government but a little research tells me that they always end up with the country in the shit, it’s just that this time it’s taken longer than usual for the aforementioned shit to hit the fan.

          As you say, it will take a few years to sort out the mess, I expect Dave to have the IMF in residence at the Treasury by the time he takes over, he should have the guts now to stand up and say that 10% is not nearly enough for spending cuts…

      • 479
        Eric says:

        Hoffer’s Discovery: The grand act of a dying institution is to issue a newly revised, enlarged edition of the policies and procedures manual.

  17. 18
    Moley says:

    None of these are necessary and without exception there are existing organisations which could carry out the work of all seventeen.

    Its about Cameron setting up his own gravy train for his own placemen.

  18. 22
    Solutions not Problems says:

    17 new ones is Ok as long as at least 17 old ones go. To save money (or “cut spending” to give it it’s correct emphasis) how about a straight swap at a ration of say 1 new one opened to 4 old ones closed?

    • 44
      nell says:

      Yes I agree with that.

      The Regional Development Agencies such as EEDA, the Regional Government Offices, NICE, and the Rural Development Agencies(though I think their name has changed now), should be amongst the first to go.

      They are all unelected, they all waste money and they duplicate much of what central government does or could do better.

      • 75
        Sarah says:

        I thought that’s what they meant: get rid of all quangos and just have the 17 listed. That’d be a good start.
        They cost millions are are full of pompous, pig-ignorant entitlement-junkies.

        • 103
          MI6 says:

          here here

        • 244
          Steve Expat says:

          Let’s hope so!

        • 309
          thick as thieves says:

          and let’s all hope that steve the tramp can one day afford to live in his own home.
          at the moment steve has to live like a homeless tramp and he is in the ridiculous position of having to rent his own house because he can’t afford to live there.
          what a dope! what a loser!
          what a fucking tramp.
          steve, keep your views to yourself, nobody gives a fuck about what homeless people have to say.
          innit.

        • 420
          stilyagi_air_corps says:

          You’ll be homeless one day, Thick o’l buddy… Most likely run off the estate when your neighbours find out what you are!

          But you probably smell like a spastic’s gusset already.

  19. 24
    Charles Flaccidwidger says:

    Given the source of the story, I’d be inclined to take this with a pinch, no, a handful of salt.

  20. 25
    Chief Cashier says:

    If all parties across the board want to get rid of some quangos then where the hell is the problem. Get rid of the lot, turn the clock back 30+ years and start from scratch———Simple.

    • 159
      Great Granddad says:

      We pay the MPs (elected) to govern. They should do just that and get rid of every unelected quango. My beef is not with their pay, unjustified as that may be, but with their total lack of a representative nature.

  21. 26
    boulay says:

    not sure what the problem is with reviewing quangos and getting rid of the crap ones and reducing the costs of the others. if it means there are needs for 17 other quangos but losing 200 inefficient/rubbish ones it is good for me.

    at least the new quangos should be set up properly with low costs and answerability to parliament for example.

    there is a need for some quangos if they are purely there to examine areas of life that politicians should not or do not have the time for and then to report, advise and reform.

    i usually think andrew neil is a good interviewer but today he was completely missing the point and repeatedly trying to question the tories’ average figure for quango chief salaries (which we all know are obscene) when he should have been asking about what the tests on suitability were that the tories would apply to existing quangos and whether there would be salary caps, lobbying caps etc.

    sorry – i usually blindly agree with you guido but just not on this. (mind you as i don’t pay UK tax i am not sure why i am particularly bothered!!)

    • 188
      Auntie Beeb says:

      Mark Thompson had told Andrew his job was on the line. A Prime Minister’s salary and published expenses for the Director General of the BBC! Attack, Andrew, Attack!

  22. 30

    The Office of Slightly Not Good Enough Prop. T. Henman
    The Office of last Resort Prop. A. Widdlecomb
    The Office of Scrappage. Prop. President of Toyota, Kia,
    The Office of Swine Flu Prop. over to you….

    • 230
      thick as thieves says:

      what is your point julian?
      you seem to be a fairly pointless fellow.
      sharpen up, eh, there is going to be a general election soon.
      WAKEY-WAKEY WANKER!
      TOP BOY TELLS IT STRAIGHT WHY DON’T YOU YOU FUCKING OBSCURANTIST C’UNT!
      OR FUCK OFF AND BORE SOMEONE ELSES BLOG TO DEATH YOU FUCK!
      NO REFUND.
      RETARD
      for fucks sake.

      • 421
        stilyagi_air_corps says:

        No, Tits, YOU fuck off and bore someone. Anyone you come into contact with, in fact. Face it, you double-chipped, crippled-souled, paraquat damaged spastic mugger, this blog is the only thing that stops you wandering out of doors and getting sectioned by tramps. The best part of you dribbled down your mum’s leg a long, long time ago.

  23. 31
    Matt C says:

    Blu Labour clearing the decks with their real intentions now they think they’ve got the GE in the bag for sure.

  24. 32
    So17 says:

    Some many bloody Quango’s. My little town is full of the bastards giving you nothing but useless advice and a fucking pamphlet.
    Road safety Partnerships which every county seems to have, stuffed full of wankers making the hard pressed motorists life more misserable.
    They must have a factory farm churning out all these matriachs in cardigans holding coffee mugs for fucks sake.

  25. 34
    Dan Tory says:

    How does one apply, through school?

  26. 35

    Quangos are an essential part of regulating public services. Could it be (shock horror!) that the Tories are actually starting to focus on performance and delivery and the long-term? Let’s hope so!

    • 39
      jgm2 says:

      Cash is an even more essential way to regulate public services. Give the fuckers less cash and see how they prioritise paying millions of box-ticking drones ‘v’ delivering some actual public service.

      • 47
        Anonymous says:

        fuckin’ spot on

        • 110
          MI6 says:

          had a meeting at the LSC and the C–t who I had booked to see a month earlier didn’t turn up, too the dismay of her subordinate. Set up another meeting at the RDA with same C–t who had missed the first appointment with no explanation and guess what. Didn’t turn up. What a fucking set up. I work in the private sector and some commerical activity has to be undertaken to pay my wage. These C–ts need culling on a regular basis as they don’t know the real world

    • 235
      thick as thieves says:

      yeah, good point charles.
      so what we should do is set up a quango to regulate the hanging of war criminal apologist c’unts like you.
      we will ofcourse use ethically sourced rope and and we will ensure that the carpenters who construct your gallows follow health and safety regulations to the letter.
      and when we let the people come into the town square to watch you hang we will ensure there are enough marshalls to keep everyone in order.
      and the hanging quango will ensure that a professional hangman is employed to execute the task and we will check his and test his calculations to make sure your neck is humanely snapped.
      there is the possibility of an administrative error which could either lead to your head being ripped clean off or, alternatively, you being slowly strangled to death.
      if we arrange a deal with sky tv for pay per view we may even become the first quango ever to post a profit for the taxpayer!
      now fuck off you fucking war criminal.

      • 272
        going down the pan says:

        You really are a sad bastard ! you are such a bore that you have to resort to answering your own comments .You are more Deranged than your idol McMental You sad sad smallcocked little man !

        • 311
          thick as thieves says:

          you better not be talking to me c’unt.
          or you really will be flushed down the pan like the faeces you are.
          head first wanker.
          I hope we understand each other.

        • 423
          stilyagi_air_corps says:

          That Tits, he certainly talks the talk, doesn’t he? Mouths-off left, right and centre about how ‘hard’ he is, threatens violence to all and sundry, pretends to be black-inna-early-nineteen-eighties-stylee, and even throws in a bit of prison slang that he’s learned off TV.

          What an absolute spanner! Who here reckons he’s ever had a fight (against girls Trots or ‘spastics’ doesn’t count) outside school in his measly life? Let alone won one!

        • 459
          going down the pan says:

          THICK AS A TWAT ! Bring it on thick as shit I’ll fuck you up so bad,Tthe next time you have a good day is when you can Fucking feed yourself !

    • 264
      going down the pan says:

      Go fuck yourself Smallwidge YOU SAD TWAT !

  27. 36
    Old jock says:

    Guido,

    Why would you – of all people – believe anything that comes out of the Labour Press Office?

    Have you checked this against the text of whatever DC said… ?

    Look forward to hearing from you, yours,

    Old Jock

    • 40
      jgm2 says:

      Good point. Is this just yet another Labour lie?

      • 85
        PT Barnham's shit shoveller says:

        Hammond wasn’t denying what was put to him in the interview. So either he is a befuddled twit or he corroborates the story.

      • 93
        Doctor Mick says:

        It could be another one of Jonty’s schoolboy gags.

        • 164
          Anonymous says:

          Speaking of which little Jonts is totally gone at liebour list, prat pist off the editor…

          ah… Revenge of Fawkes.

        • 208
          jgm2 says:

          Probably means he’s got a job in a different ministry. Like that McBride apparently.

          I take full responsibility…

        • 338
          Doctor Mick says:

          Perhaps they’ve formed a new special forces IT department to redress the left wing imbalance in the blogosphere.

          Code names: Fat Troll, Greasy Troll and Ginger Troll.

        • 402
          PT Barnham's shit shoveller says:

          …acronym SIT, outsourced to EDS. A guaranteed success. Not.

    • 94
      Captain Haddock says:

      I listened to the 0800 News on BBC Radio 2 this morning .. and Cameron clearly stated his intention to abolish Quangos .. bar those which had, of necessity to remain .. and those, he intends to “slim down” …

      Sounds somewhat different to creating 17 new ones .. if that’s what NuLiebore are spinning .. then I prefer to believe my own ears ..

      • 341
        Doctor Mick says:

        How many will he close? What is the net difference in the number of quangos proposed by Dave?

  28. 41
    Ratsniffer says:

    I agree with the need to get rid of a decade of labour stuffed-quangos. Everywhere you look are nulabour hand-wringing tossers who couldn’t get a job in the real world. They spend our money like it’s going out of fashion. Regional development agencies? No thanks. Road safety “partnerships? Bye-bye.

  29. 42
    Sukyspook says:

    What the feck???:

    From The Times

    July 6, 2009

    Google or Microsoft could hold NHS patient records say Tories

    snip

    Patients will be given the option of moving their medical notes to private companies after the Conservatives said that they would replace Labour’s “centrally determined and unresponsive national IT system”.

    snip

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6644919.ece

    …..and we think zanuliebore are bad!!!

    • 52
      Matt C says:

      Microsoft and Google got all my emails and card numbers and address anyway suppose it was only a matter of time before they discovered what STI’s i’d been catching from Kelly down the road.

      • 59
        Guido Fawkes says:

        ***CLAPS***

        • 224
          Henry Crun says:

          That’s the third one this thread, Guido. Have you got a dose of the claps?

        • 245
          Steve Expat says:

          The first one was Guido, the others are imposters (look carefully)

        • 317
          thick as thieves says:

          steve knows all about looking closely.
          he looks closely on the pavement in search of fag butts and loose change.
          that’s because steve’s a tramp.
          he is homeless.
          if we ignore him the smelly old tramp will go away.

        • 343
          Doctor Mick says:

          Microsoft or Google are less likely to leave your records on a train or lose them in the post.

        • 460
          going down the pan says:

          THICK AS A TWAT without all the benefit’s from your shite lie-bore party you would either have to (dare i say it GET A JOB ) Or you would in fact be a fucking “paraffin” You fucing lowlife Tit !

      • 67
        A Silent Emission of Bowel Gas says:

        Cameron’s top spin man has interesting familial contacts with Google.

        And Cameron himself is no stranger to George Schmidt, Google’s CEO.

        Naturally, the suggestion that Google could be in the frame for future monster contracts is entirely coincidence.

        Like Blair and Ecclestone’s million quid.

        Who was it said we get the politicians we deserve?

      • 473
        number 10's cat says:

        They’ll be totally honest, truthful and responsible with the data.
        They’ll tell you who they’ve sold it to.

    • 65
      Anonymous says:

      Er, why can’t I hold my own notes?

      • 78
        Ratsniffer says:

        I’d trust the corporate geeks at google far more than this stinking useless government….remember..they who have spent 12 billion of our money on patient record IT systems that don’t work properly…

      • 92
        Sarah says:

        ‘Zackly!
        Host them on your own FTP space, only you know the password, which you change whenever you want.
        My husband made the interesting observation that paper files are safer than almost anything else, since they can only be in one place at a time. All their contents are viewable, and reading of the files can be tracked and monitored.
        Yeah, it’s inconvenient for the sellers of information and big brother, but WTF does anyone need to know if you’re run down by a bus? Blood type, allergies, chronic conditions and next-of-kin which could all be stored on a dog tag.

        • 141
          Sukyspook says:

          Cripes Sarah – game over. I may as well just lie down and die right now….

          NOT!!

          Over my dead body will my very personal info be made available for any happy slappy hacker on Google, along with pictures of my house, my street and even through my net curtains (if I had any, how unkeowl).

          NONE OF THIS IS ‘NEWS’ TO ME BUT……THE REALITY OF IT HAPPENING RIGHT NOW IS……THIS HAS ALL GONE TOO FECKIN FAR……

        • 157
          Montague says:

          And if they get lost they do not get duplicated for the benefit of nefarious sorts

        • 185
          Sarah says:

          @Sukyspook,

          I don’t mean put it on the public web, I mean on your own cyberspace, inaccessible to anyone who hasn’t got the password. Since most of us are given free webspace with our broadband, why don’t we use that? It is private.
          At home back up our computers onto dvd and into our FTP space. If the house gets burgled, or burns to the ground, we can download the contents of our hard disks onto new computers.

    • 140

      Google’s indexing and database searching technology might be better for storing patient notes than Labours plans for a over-engineered Database Schema.

      Google does seem to understand that flexible, simple, consistent and evolved beats rigid, complex, specific and centrally planned.

      • 154
        Johnny says says:

        Sounds like a good plan then. It’s not like the suggestion is to put them on the internet and let google cache them for anyone and everyone to view is it.

        • 161

          IMHO. Zanu-Labour’s NHS-database design was centred around the desires of the state for statistical data, rather than the needs of patients.

        • 247
          Steve Expat says:

          AC1, exactly right. The reason it’s all so fucked up is that it was top-down imposed, no-one “engaged the key stakeholders” ie spoke to doctors and patients until it was too late. Once the docs saw the plan they objected, the scope changed and billions more went down the toilet…

        • 320
          thick as thieves says:

          no-one gives a fuck what you think anticitizen.
          you are a cretin.

        • 321
          thick as thieves says:

          and steve’s just a tramp.

        • 326
          Steve Expat says:

          Is the top troll’s probation worker having a night off?

        • 344

          Thick Ass Troll,

          I’m a Computing degree qualified Database Architect who owns a Software As A Service company that uses some of the google tools.

          You are a mentally ill nutcase.

        • 353
          Doctor Mick says:

          Not ill, just a playground bully who hides his ignorance behind a wall of personal abuse.

        • 387
          thick as thieves says:

          ah! that explains why you are such an arsehole anticitizen.

        • 391
          thick as thieves says:

          er, doctor dildo, it is vulgar of you tos talk about playground bullies when you and your zionist israeli murdering chums blow up Palestinian schools when the children are inside.
          you fucking war criminal, c’unts like you should be hung like saddam.
          let’s face it, israel has committed far, far more war crimes and killed more Palestinians than saddam hussein did and he got strung up.
          maybe some israeli war criminals will have to be hanged for israel to stop occupying Palestine.
          maybe it’s the only way.

        • 394

          Thick Ass Troll,

          Thanks for proving your ignorance of history, computing, law and geography all in one post.

          I doubt, qualification wise, that you even have one McDonalds star.

        • 404
          thick as thieves says:

          oh dear anticitizen, you were boasting about what a clever c’unt you are but you don’t even know the first rule of propaganda
          rule 1) details don’t matter.
          you ignorant c’unt.

        • 416

          This is a blog comment section you narcissistic mentalist.

        • 463
          going down the pan says:

          aARICH HARD WORKING ARSEHOLE NOT LIKE YOU YOU SPONGING DOLITE CUCKOO !

        • 476
          number 10's cat says:

          I cant’ wait for TaT’s neighbour to change his WIFI key. Then we’ll all get some peace

    • 292
      Trevor says:

      Its not just Google and Microsoft – its a dispersing of record keeping generally.

      See the sainted Fraser Nelson (of exposing Brown as a liar fame) at Coffee House

      • 465
        going down the pan says:

        The gov has spent billions of our money on a great new computer system for the NHS which does not work . So what better way of sweeping this major fuck up under the carpet than giving all the records to someone who already has said system ?

  30. 43
    The Beast of Clerkenwell says:

    The British potato council do a fine job, so you can all fuck off!

    • 46
      jgm2 says:

      British chips from British potatoes.

      A quangoe dedicated to making us obese vying with a quango telling us all to take more exercise.

      Sheer comedy.

    • 60
      Australian says:

      What about carrots? (and where is “carrotsneedaquango2″, just when he’s needed???)

      • 72
        jgm2 says:

        Probably taking flak from Labour apologists over on Nick Robinson’s blog.

      • 102
        Captain Haddock says:

        Good point .. haven’t heard anything from old Jasper in ages …

    • 73
      Cheese_E_Sandwidge says:

      There emails must be a sight to behold….”Duncan I seem to be out of the loop on Maris Pipers”…..”Pls interface Jenny re Pentland Javelins”……”Been unloading King Edwards all morning”…..”Must get a grip on Belle de Fontenay”….

      • 96
        Tachybaptus says:

        Ed Balls’s grandfather E.K. Balls led the British Empire Potato Collecting Expedition to South America in 1938. Yet another shameful example of the Tories stealing Labour policies.

    • 466
      going down the pan says:

      What about a Quango for british fish ? There would be more people on the panel than the fish we have left !

  31. 45
    ELF says:

    #14 DESO is essential. But why set it up as a quango? Was part of MoD.

    • 99
      PT Barnham's shit shoveller says:

      7, 8 and 9 – all related to military welfare – should (a) be one single body and (b) be part of the Armed Services establishment. But emphatically not part of the MoD, useless tosspots who have made military organisation a political football, let alone where they send troops.

      And, while we’re at it, what news of the outsourced Combined Services personnel database, which meant some got paid too much (pay it back, they were told), some too little and some not at all (house and car repossessed while you’re in Iraq? Tough shit)? Twas EDS wot dun it. Another govt IT shafting.

      • 144

        EDS and Crapita are to Government what Chlamydia is to cancer.

        • 296
          Infanta of Castile says:

          I think, what cryptosporidium is to HIV would be more appropriate i.e. total opportunists

      • 294
        Trevor says:

        “be part of the Armed Services establishment. But emphatically not part of the MoD, useless tosspots” — but thats why they are quangos. You cannot have it both ways.

        • 403
          PT Barnham's shit shoveller says:

          Obviously not made my point clearly. Take the whole welfare provision for service personnel and families, during and after service, in house into the armed services. No quango, no politicians. But proper funding for it.

  32. 49
    chronic says:

    OT,Looks like Quasimodo has found a new job.(parliament channel)

  33. 50
    A Silent Emission of Bowel Gas says:

    The whole country’s a fucking quango.

    Set up by the European Union.

    And EVERY potential leader we have is in favour.

    Nice, eh?

  34. 51
    ELF says:

    PS – look @ wiki. Brown had DESO shut down on behalf of lobby groups – Campaign Againat Arms Trade, evangelical christians and an umbrella group of non-violent relegious orgs.

    • 57
      Matt C says:

      So who do we sell weapons to nowadays? or is that another stream of revenue Brown has pissed up the wall

    • 61
      Sukyspook says:

      Sounds like a classic case of Hegellian Dialectic ‘controlled opposition’ – no, wait, that’s a conspiracy theory….I’ll get my coat

  35. 56
    Cheese_E_Sandwidge says:

    They’ve forgotten the Committee for the Reduction of Quangos, The Department of Advanced Quangology, the Office of Health Scares (‘OffSick’), The Argentinian Dance Advisory Board (the Tango Quango), the Recovery of Individual Pelf Office of the Revenue (RIPOff) and the Keep Australia a Monarchy Group (a Quangaroo).

    • 160
      hoof-hearted says:

      You forgot the other Argentinian Dance Quango (The Fandango Quango), and the Exotic Caribbean Fruits Quango (The Mango Quango).

      • 281
        going down the pan says:

        DONT forget the office of music for the movie deliverance “the banjo Quango !

        • 283
          going down the pan says:

          OR the board for chutney distibution The mango quango !

        • 301
          McMental's Gammy Eye says:

          the council for the cultivation of exotic fruits the tomango quango !

    • 297
      Thomas Pynchon says:

      They’ve forgotten the Museum of Museumology.

      • 368
        Pig Bodine says:

        Dewey Decimal room, case D. It’s exactly not where you would expect to find it.

  36. 58
    Sir Dando Tweakshafte says:

    What we urgently need, of course, is a new advisory body to keep the politics out of quango reform.

    I should think an Office of Quango Regulation And Planning should do the trick.

    OQRAP shouldn’t need a staff of more than about 12500…

  37. 62
    Master Baiter says:

    Quango
    Quangas
    Quangat
    Quangamus
    Quangatis
    Quangant

    • 79
      Master Baiter says:

      Mea culpa,

      quango, quangare, quangavi

      • 86
        resurgemus says:

        Correct MB

        quangare ( v. transitive ) to piss money up the wall while bossing other people around for no purpose other than personal satisfaction

    • 81
      resurgemus says:

      Since Cameron is intending to do this it should be in the future tense

      Quangabo
      Quangabis
      Quangabit
      Quangabimus
      Quangabitis
      Qunagabunt

      • 122
        A Silent Emission of Bowel Gas says:

        Yeah, but they’re a load of passive bastards who don’t do a thing, so shouldn’t they be:

        Quangabor
        Quangaberis
        Quangabitur
        Quangabimur
        Quangabimini
        Quangabuntur

        On the other hand, I was fucking useless at Latin.

    • 83
      jgm2 says:

      You have made a basic error.

    • 305
      Silvio Berlusconi says:

      Where ave a you lot been de last 2000 year – both feets in the grave? It a goes like a this. Everbody sing-a lon’ wi’ me…

      io quango bello
      tu quanghi bello
      egli quanga bello
      noi quanghiamo bello
      voi quangate bello
      essi quangono bello

  38. 63
    Matt C says:

    The Quango Of Blogging Standards

    headed up by the Rt Hon Guido Fawkes.

    • 142
      Pugwash says:

      Dont joke, theres all kind of Mutha-fu*kers going to be for the Tories next GE.
      Half of them insane – the other half c**ts.

  39. 68
    nell says:

    DC actually said that quangoes should be scrapped or streamlined and the salaries of their chiefs reviewed. The average annual pay of the top 20 chefs of quangoes is £685,000!

    Overall, DC said, Labour quangoes spend £64billion per annum.

    He went on to say that “there’s a lot of money to be saved here, but the one’s allowed to remain must become democratically accountable and slimmer.”

    He rejected Liam Byrne’s claim that Tory proposals would see an increase in the current number of quangoes by 17.

    • 69
      nell says:

      the top 20 ”chiefs’ – apologies for my spelling.

      • 91
        Ratsniffer says:

        What on earth will all those poor NuLabour quangocrats do once they are unemployed? Answer: play golf, because they will all be given massive pay offs and gold plated pensions.

    • 156
      Mervyn the Power Seeker says:

      Did I hear correctly? DC wants to peg the salaries of Quango chiefs to ministerial salaries. Or was it vice versa?

      Perhaps the Monetary Committee of the Bank of England should regulate this new inflationary pressure.

    • 255
      Steve Expat says:

      I’m still failing to see why these guys deserve to earn three time the salary of the PM. Same goes for local council Chiefs, who seem to move from one failure to another, collecting 12 months’ notice every time plus the public sector pension.

      Taxpayers’ Alliance published a list of public sector salaries in order http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/files/public-sector-rich-list-2008.pdf
      Broon comes in at #195…

      • 356
        Babar was a very poorly baby Elephant says:

        # 195 ?
        Exactly.
        Wasn’t earned on basis of performance now, was it ?
        Sir Fred booted out for losing the bank a few Billion .. Gordo is insistant he is born leader and still supported by his beloved PLP by costing the nation, and the nations children, and the nations children’s children … hundreds of £ Billions.
        And we still go on paying him until he’s ejected .. then goes onto the House of Lords to join the honourable ex Speaker Martin.
        “Payment by Results, there must be no reward for failure”
        You tosser, Brown.

  40. 74
    Stepney says:

    Well I don’t know about you but I think the £42 million we annually spend on the Coal Board is an absolute steal. On current consumption that’s about £10 a lump.

    Those of you who want to amuse yourself by finding out where your taxes go should set aside an hour and play with this;

    http://quangos.ercouncil.org/search/

  41. 76
    DZ says:

    Quasi Autonomous National Government Organisations.

    Quangos are pathways to jobs for the boys and girls, not to mention extremely fat pensions. Their creation was just a way of getting round the Civil Service and hiding Government expenditure. They are simply part of the sickness of totalitarianism.

    Scrap the lot. If any of them contain worthwhile roles, cut them out and put them back into the Civil Service (after a shakeout there as well).

    The country does not need them. They are not productive. They absorb energy and money.

    • 117
      Lil Olmey says:

      Astronomers know them as ‘black holes’.

    • 127
      Arsebishop Mandelbum says:

      It was a million years ago that the reason for QUANGOs was explained in an episode of “Yes! Minister”, —”where else do you find a job for the prats to whom you owe a political favour?”

  42. 77
    I am Sick says:

    Oops, call me Dave shows his staunch anti socialist principles with…..yet more socialism of course!

    Die Welt ran an article recently, which summed up the British political establishment as ALL social democratic parties. Sure the Lib Dims and ZaNuLab were little more pro EU than the Tories, but essentially they ALL agreed on the basic consensus led, social democratic approach .

    They were of course entirely correct in their analysis, the Tories do not offer any change of direction, just a little less of the same old sh*t, of the last 12 years.

    Dave will win the next election simply because the current gang of misfits, perverts and thieves are so horrifically awful.

    I doubt if the honeymoon will be very long at all, getting rid of an undemocratic, authoritarian socialist regime with a closet undemocratic, authoritarian socialist regime, is not change anyone can really believe in at all.

    Time for another speech outlining your “progressive” policies to Demos again Dave?

    • 171
      hoof-hearted says:

      I won’t vote Labout at the next election, but I definitely won’t vote Conservative either unless Dave spells out in no uncertain terms exactly what his party are planning to do to get us all out of this mess.

      If I’m still living here I’ll vote for the Independent, but hopefully I’ll be long gone by then.

  43. 82
    Anonymous says:

    I would like to ask Andrew Neil why his organ, The Economist, helped destroy the British car, motor-cycle and shipbuilding industries.
    The evidence is here; http://www.counterpunch.org/fingleton07032009.html

    Tony

    • 98
      Ask the Chinese about Socialism says:

      So the Economist is to blame for British manufacturing industry in the late 1970′s producing expensive goods that didn’t stack up against cheaper, better foreign produces.

      I suggest you study Keynes and Maynard, not Lenin and Scargill.

      • 105
        jgm2 says:

        The Economist did all this so that Tories could concentrate on eating dead babies. After they had killed them with landmines.

        • 152
          Augeas says:

          And kidnapping Gordon Brown, taking him off to their spaceship, and brainwashing him so he could fuck up public finances.

        • 407
          Boris Carloffe says:

          No one could brain wash Gordon Brown, as he never has had one.

    • 133
      Call me Infidel says:

      Have you ever owned a Triumph Bonneville from the early 70′s? The arabs must have loved them for the amount of oil they leaked. They were rubbish. The engine was a 1930′s design. The British bike industry died through a combination of union communist sympathisers and crap management with their heads up their arses.

      • 176
        Montague says:

        In the British Leyland days Rover had a V8.
        Triumph needed a V8 so they ….. went off and developed their own for the Triumph Stag.

      • 323
        Salmondnet says:

        True. I owned a T100a in the sixties and a TR7 750 in the seventies. To the oil leaks can be added a vibration level which meant replacing tail light bulbs every thousand miles or so.

        But the complacancy of the industry was matched the stupidity of Parliament. When the first restrictions on engine size for learners (250cc max) were introduced, the fastest available 250′s by about 10MPH were Hondas, so most new bikers bought Japenese and discovered reliability.

        Can’t find a quango to blame though.

  44. 89
    Old Rockape says:

    What about O.AP’S we need a Quango to Tango.

  45. 90
    McGroom says:

    What is the point of the Tories announcing any policy initiatives when the labour Party spin machine produces an immediate pack of lies which the White/Toynbee/Robinson/Marr gobbling trolls swallow whole.

    HAS NO 10 EVER HEARD OF THE BOY THAT CRIED WOLF

    STOP LYING TO US – WE ARE SMARTER THAN YOU THINK

    • 97
      Ratsniffer says:

      Remember what Goebbels said. “Tell a lie often enough and people will eventually come to believe it.” Much of Nulabour spin is founded on this principle.

      • 104
        Old Rockape says:

        All of it i would say.

      • 106
        McGroom says:

        Remind me, what happned to Goebbels in the end?

        • 119
          Matt C says:

          shot himself i think, his wife was worse than him in the fanatical stakes as well i think.

        • 135
          Arsebishop Mandelbum says:

          Very apt comparison. The most plausible story is that after poisoning all six of his kids and making his wife take cyanide, Goebbels tried to shoot himseld, screwd up and had to get an SS man to finish the job. Volunteeers anyone?

        • 180
          Escape to victory says:

          He was offered a nice cushy job on quango , but declined as his moral compass wouldn’t allow it.

      • 200
        Rick says:

        You have said this before, but I don’t think Goebbels was the source of that quote. I think it came from AH’s autobiography – when he was explaining why you should not always accept the current wisdom as the truth.

    • 258
      Steve Expat says:

      The problem is that we’re not smarter than you think. People reading this blog are not the target market.

      The 6 million employed by the public sector and the countless millions more living on ‘benefits’ are not seeing a recession at the moment – so guess who they’ll be voting for come the next election…??

      • 334
        Dack Blog says:

        Certainly not Labour. Unless they promised to sack every overpaid arsehole above me, saving oodles of cash and improving services in one fell swoop.

        • 340
          Steve Expat says:

          Let’s hope you’re right DB, although turkeys voting for Christmas does spring to mind…

      • 361
        NewGirl says:

        that worries me too Steve…and face it, the great unwashed are the ones having all the kids too…We are already outnumbered and its going to get worse…

        • 372
          Steve Expat says:

          The latest polls put Liebour or around 20%. It’s going to be REALLY difficullt to erode that because of the growing number of people dependent on the state and fearing a Conservative government. If your “job” was to have 4 or 5 kids, and your “salary” from the taxpayer’s purse would normally attract higher rate tax if it were earned in the private sector…

          The non-working class are breeding like rabbitts because it’s in their interest to do so; while the middle class are not breeding at all because we can’t afford to bring up children while maintaining the mortgage payments and all the NewLiebour taxes…

  46. 100
    no longer anonymous says:

    Thatcher a quango-burner? I thought they increased in number under her reign. One of the unfortunate downsides to her time in power.

  47. 101
    Infamy, they've all got iy in for me says:

    What’s the difference between a Quango and John Prescott?

    One is a fat useless body that sits on it’s arse all day talking lots of rubbish and achieving nothing….

    And the other is a Quasi non-governmental organisation.

  48. 107
    On Harman Pride's Dossier says:

    But that nice Mr Brown (he never lies) told me that the Tories had no policies, and were a do-nothing party.

    So how has his press office been able to identify 17 specific policy goals?

    (I just checked, and “Labour Press Office” is a perfect anagram of “Crock of Shit”)

  49. 109
    Day Tripper (on way back from Calais) says:

    So what exactly DOES Camer-make-room stand for?

    To his eternal shame, he starts off as Herr to Bliar

    And then morphs into a Gummunt spokesperson

    B4 seeming to come to some kind of sense.

    Now this?

    Fuck him then! No better than the other scum

  50. 111
    Ratsniffer says:

    You’ve Got To Laugh At Labour part 10045:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1197651/Harriet-Harman-labels-Tory-support-marriage-hypocritical-moralising.html

    Harriet Hatemen: ‘Families won’t want to be lectured by anybody about how to lead their lives,’

    This, from a member of the most finger wagging, interfering Government ever.

    • 113
      resurgemus says:

      LOL

      She really can’t see she might have an issue there herself !

    • 186
      PT Barnham's shit shoveller says:

      That is completely effing priceless.

    • 202
      P1 says:

      Is she trying to be funny?

      I thought she’d had an irony-override fitted many years ago, around the same time she had her self-awareness module removed and her thick-skin fitted.

    • 246
      NewGirl says:

      She is unable to speak without patronising, hectoring and lecturing us all! The irony!

  51. 112
    HaHaHaHaHaPerson Prude says:

    Darhhhlings!

    I simply must be a memba of NooBoringLiars – I think bollocks, talk bollocks, – and indeed, – am bollocks.

  52. 114
    chronic says:

    Tell me when will you be mine
    Tell me quango quango quango
    We can share a love divine
    Please don’t make me wait again

    When will you say yes to me
    Tell me quango quango quango
    You mean happiness to me
    Oh my love please tell me when

    Every moments a day
    Every day seems a lifetime
    Let me show you the way
    To a joy beyond compare

    I can’t wait a moment more
    Tell me quango quango quango
    Say its me that you adore
    And then darling tell me when

    Every moments a day
    Every day seems a lifetime
    Let me show you the way
    To a joy beyond compare

    I can’t wait a moment more
    Tell me quango quango quango
    Say its me that you adore
    And then darling tell me when

    Whoa lover tell me when
    Oh darling tell me when
    Oh come on tell me when
    Yea tell me when

    • 151
      Prezzas Pies says:

      Nice poem – now get a fookin job!

      • 168
        Three Million and rising says:

        Has anyone told you – John – there are NO “fookin jobs !”

      • 189
        chronic says:

        And your Job is ?????? my best work is a little muse entitled “The Dictionary” a poem about everything.

    • 158
      Grumpy Old Man says:

      +++ Whistles, Stomps, Clappy hands above head+++

    • 201
      nell says:

      ++++smiles++++

      Does anybody know who precisely are given jobs on quangoes?

      Seems to me this is another area of salaries and expenses we should be looking at.

      • 260
        Steve Expat says:

        Definitely worth looking at Nell. Check out http://www.taxpayersalliance.com/files/public-sector-rich-list-2008.pdf – list of public sector workers ordered by salary. Broon is #195 with his 190 grand. Four people are earning more than a million a year.

        Not included there are a number of councils who are ignoring/appealing FoI requests…

        • 290
          nell says:

          Oh flip and damn they really need reforming don’t they?

          Adam Crozier – Royal Mail – £1,242,000 pa- what for?!
          Mark Thompson – BBC – £816,000pa – to produce labour biased rubbish!!
          Adam Applegarth – Northern Rock – £785,000pa – failed bank!!!

          Let’s remember this is OUR MONEY. This is the ultimate disease. Squandermania indeed!!

          Time for a glass of that very excellent, reasonably priced aussie wine.

          Freddie I hope you are getting ready for the ashes we need a positive result for we poor deprived english.

        • 295
          chronic says:

          Sorry nell but I am going to have to correct you “Let’s remember this is OUR MONEY”.It was our money now its theirs.

        • 306
          nell says:

          We need to make sure they don’t get too much more of it then?

          Because the salaries of these people will bankrupt a small nation like ours within a very few years.

      • 307
        nell says:

        Oh pain in the derriere. Modded!!

        My biggest sin tonight was to say damn!!

        Now I’m paying the penalty!!

        • 324
          Steve Expat says:

          Have you upset the mod again nell?

          Don’t worry, it could be worse – I seem to have offended the TwaT, he seems to think I’m some homeless tramp!! My own personal troll!!

        • 325
          thick as thieves says:

          oh I am glad you changed your mind about the spanking nell!
          that’s really made my day.
          now when and where shall we meet to administer that pain to your derriere?

        • 329
          thick as thieves says:

          steve,
          you have drunk too much moonshine again and must have fallen asleep in the sun on a park bench and you have become confused.
          you, steve, are a tramp tory troll.
          I am the independent hero, thick as thieves, on an epic journey to eradicate the good people of this land of tory scum trolls like you.
          so don’t get cheeky with me c’unt.
          your licence might get revoked.
          watch your step tramp.

        • 345
          Engineer says:

          TaT, pack that spanking line in, will you. It’s getting boring.

        • 348
          Doctor Mick says:

          Steve, hope you have a licence for him and can keep him under control. Don’t want Troll Basher to come round and neuter the git.

        • 393
          thick as thieves says:

          I am finding it highly amusing.
          you find out a lot about people when you put them on the spot.
          nell is a real frigid bitch isn’t she? a real uptight motherfucker.
          definitely a lesbian. what is it with tory hq sending all these lesbian trolls.
          come on engineer, it’s a bit fucking weird innit?
          new girl is up for the gig though.
          she’s definitely a bit kinky.
          and you engineer are just a tired old c’unt.
          now fuck off.

    • 293
      Anonymous says:

      With apologies to Ted Nugent…

      My Guv’ment she like to spend
      My Guv’ment she like to borrow
      My Guv’ment she can tax all night
      My Guv’ment got no control
      She do the Quango Tango!

      • 304
        chronic says:

        The French dont suffer from this nonsense any more has Bernardo Bertolucc noted in The Last Quango in Paris.(pass the butter)

      • 371
        snafu says:

        There is no need to apologise to The Nuge, man’s a complete shit. He made pots o’ money with his tuneless caterwauling, term very deliberately chosen, and now won’t lift a finger to help former mates.

  53. 115
    James says:

    Surely the defence export services organisation already exists?

    http://www.deso.mod.uk/

    So can we clarify, that is actually only 16 new quangos?

  54. 118
    george says:

    David Cameron is at best a Ted Heath figure. The lights will go out on his watch and then we’ll get a Nu-Labour revivalist, and then, perhaps, we’ll find a reformer. Many rivers to cross….

  55. 121
    bandersnatch says:

    I’m pretty sure Quango is soon due to be banned by Liam Donaldson and NASTY… I mean NICE… It turns the skin orange if consumed excessively, and makes children over-exciteable and jumpy to the point of ADHD… Too many chemical additives and E numbers in it.

    • 204
      nell says:

      NICE days are numbered. I do hope this is one of those quangoes DC is going to think about abolishing.

      • 478
        mardy camper says:

        NICE saves the tzxpayer money. Why on earth would you want to get rid of it. Big Dave’s only real health policy is to create a £100 billion quango. surely you’ve got to love that?

  56. 124
    Orange Ena says:

    You’ve Been Quangoed

  57. 125
    grobdj says:

    The problem with quango-culture is accountability: when conceived, the quango has a job to do for the politicians of the day, and is given a budget. But Governments come and go, so the quango goes into self-defence mode. This is usually best achieved by minimal intervention and cosying up to the industry sector concerned. Voila, the transformation is completed, the quango is now a public-funded industry lobby group.

    This is exactly what happened in the case of the FSA, but I would argue that the same is true of the BBC Trustees, OfGem, OfCom end countless others.

    Ergo, quangos are a distinctly bad idea, Ministers are paid to hold the reins

  58. 129
    perdix says:

    Guido, you’re just like the copy-takers at the Liebourgraph, Toenails et al in the MSM taking Labour press releases at face value, not checking the facts.

  59. 134
    Pugwash says:

    Tories = NuLab in Drag

  60. 143
    Stephen says:

    Evian stock.

    Sell. Sell. Sell.

    Gordon Brown is currently in Evian contaminating the water!

    • 192
      Anonymous says:

      Nice of Gordon though to offer the french £15 million of our cash so that the French can actually carry out what they’re supposed to be doing in the first place i.e. tighter controls at the Channel Ports to stop illegal immigrants stowing away on cross channel freight

  61. 145
    Rich says:

    If the Conservatives got rid of 500 & created 100,would you consider a net loss of 400 a bad thing.surely not?

    To get rid of 5-10,you may have to create one.

  62. 155
    The British Potato Council CEO says:

    Please do not associate us with that foul mouthed oaf
    ” The Beast of Clerkenwell”
    He has just resigned as marketing manager and taken a job as director of the fledgling Australian sports quango (Ladies beach volley ball division) .
    We no longer have any legal or financial connections with him.
    And If I ever see the Hoon again I will kick him in the spuds

  63. 163

    Dear All

    17 Quangos seems a lot when people want to get these unelected boards closed or made accountable.

    Will George Osborne be selling wallpaper to their offices to get them looking pretty?

    Yours sincerely

    George Laird
    The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

    • 424
      stilyagi_air_corps says:

      and will you still be posting sick (and possibly illegal) attacks on elderly academics, gloating over their number of recent heart attacks and giving away their personal details? Hell, all they did was fail you for being a failure!

      The trouble with some schizophrenics is that they know how to type. You fit that category.

      • 498

        Dear stilyagi_air_corps

        Still pissing in the dark?

        What about the famous legal expert? Found out you are just a clown?

        Yours sincerely

        George Laird
        The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

  64. 165
    hoof-hearted says:

    A Quango is just another excuse for several “jobs for the boys” with big fat salaries.

    What do they actually do?

    • 198

      Dear hoof

      Well said that man.

      You hit the nail on the head.

      Yours sincerely

      George Laird
      The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

  65. 166
    Seth the pig farmer says:

    What about capping the salaries of MP’s and Quangos and then let them negotiate how many days work they would do for the money.

    That way either they do the job for less, or they do the job less. Either way would suit me.

    • 174
      hoof-hearted says:

      There is talk about freezing the pay in the public sector. Can we take it that MP’s will set an example and take a pay cut then?

      • 233
        Escape to victory says:

        Ah,.. well… um we need an independent commission to begin to look at the boundaries for such drastic action after the next election. Meanwhile teaching assistants, bin men and the like we feel need a five month pay holiday starting a week last Friday.

  66. 169
    Exiled In Wales says:

    ‘ … we need a more sophisticated approach. Yes we need to reduce the number, size, scope and influence of quangos … ‘

    Can’t Cameron see we’re about to sink under a mountain of borrowings? Taking a softly softly approach will see hundreds of former quangistas in other places on protected salaries. He’s got to get rid of anything that doesn’t perform a public safety role, and then he needs to start on welfare and healthcare with the same objectives.

    You have trouble walking? Catch a bus, because you’re not getting a car on the state. Can’t conceive? We sorry to hear that, but we’re overpopulated already. Varicose veins or a bad back? Lose some weight, it works. Got a cough? Stop smoking, that works too. Your need some painkillers? Tesco sell 32 paracetamol for 28p.

    And so on.

  67. 172
    Phil Hammond says:

    Dave’s lost the plot.

    The country needs a leader who they can rely on.

    • 178
      Exiled In Wales says:

      We’re in the Weimar Republic, and nobody’s noticed.

      • 187
        Exiled In Wales says:

        I’d say 1931 or 1932.

        • 191
          Phil Hammond says:

          Did you see me on the telly at lunchtime, trying to defend Dave’s crackpot ideas and made up statistics? I was absolute crap, but that’s what happens when you try to defend crap ideas.

  68. 173
    Fees Office Clerk says:

    I see those wankers at Sky News think that Kay “Slag” Burley doing yet another piece to camera on Michael Fucking Jackson is far more important a story than the good people of Wootton Bassett saluting the coffins of Lt Col Rupert Thorneloe and Trooper Joshua Hammond.

    At least the Beeb tonight didn’t make the same mistake.

    • 183
      Escape to victory says:

      Don’t mention the pipeline

      • 196
        Sukyspook says:

        Or the poppies……or the double-headed eagle of the “Mercian” Regiment…

    • 207
      Jeremy Thompson says:

      This is a little unfair. I saw coverage of the Wootton Bassett ‘salute’ and a good interview with a veteran, which I considered better and more powerful than the Beeb’s coverage on the 6.00 pm news bulletin. You are quite right however that Sky is giving far too much prominence to Michael Jackson: the stench of commercial interest is overpowering.

    • 264
      Steve Expat says:

      Sky did cover it live from Wooton Bassett to be a little fair to them.

      “Slag” Burley has been in the States for about 10 days now, they obviously want to get their money’s worth from the trip. Priorities wrong again Sky, the MJ story is out of steam now.

      Let’s concentrate on what is important, we’ve lost five good men this past week :-(

  69. 175
    Wight Tory says:

    I have to say Guido in these neck of the woods is a hero for services to highlighting deadwood and decay. I do however think he’s off beam with this one. Since when has ANYTHING Labour been treated as truth?

    FFS they can’t even be honest with each other, their paymasters or those that fund them, why are you using their numbers, like they can count…

    On the figures provided, 17 new quangos would if in sync with new policies would see the reshaping of Government and the way this country is run if it means that many of the pre-existing ones are merged and trimmed, or disbanded altogether. Its the 5 or 6 eviromental ones that currently exist that are the problem. They’ve also stated that the funding criteria is somewhat lower than what’s around now so would also be cheaper in the long run.

    Whoever wins an election has the right to install the tools to get the job done, even if it means bigger state initially. I for one believe that 17 new quangos created and the removal of 70 (the number raised under Bruin) in the first term is more than acceptable.

    • 179
      Wight Tory says:

      Its the 5 or 6 eviromental ones that currently exist that are the problem.

      = Its LIKE the 5 or 6 eviromental ones that currently exist WHEN 1 WOULD DO are the problem, AND OTHERS TOO JUST LIKE THEM.

  70. 184
    davidncl says:

    Because cuts are for girls. We need to start shooting people.

  71. 190
    PT Barnham's shit shoveller says:

    O/T but someone’s looking after Gordie….

    El Reg reports:

    Nokia has confirmed recent rumours that it has designed a rugged mobile phone.

    Last month, a picture appeared online of a device thought to be the firm’s first rugged phone with an IP-54 toughness classification. Aside from a possible moniker, the 3720, the leaked picture was all we had to go by.

    Now Nokia has posted two videos that show its workers putting the phone through two unorthodox toughness trials.

    In one video, a man is shown using kicking the handset to another person, after which the pair tried to make a call through to the phone. Did it still work? Yes, it did.

  72. 193
    Camoron is a tit says:

    7. Skills advisory service for service personnel

    Er, so the MOD doesn’t already have a Personnel Department?

    • 199
      A beastly person says:

      Easy
      Clear weapon
      Lock
      magazine on
      Cock
      release safety
      Aim at darkie and fire
      Jobs a goodun

  73. 194
    Sukyspook says:

    “EXTRA, EXTRA, WATCH ALL ABOUT IT”….and now for the truth of our real predicament:

    • 206
      P1 says:

      He’s a bit gloomy isn’t he? Out of interest, has he got a book to sell?

    • 210
      Matt C says:

      The truth right there, yet all the idiots will go omgz you can’t believe anything Fox news says well errrrr compared to the BBC i’d take Fox and CNN anyday.

      • 389
        snafu says:

        Yeah right. I’ll buy in to the tax strikes, gang warfare etc – that’s already happening – but the current emergency merger of state and commercial powers is nothing like the state corporatist ideology of fascist Italy. Celente is a typical American huckster with a marketing pitch aimed at his Fox audience

    • 222
      Nostradamus says:

      I love the way he pronounces “voilà”. Bronx born and bred. A doom merchant for sure but he is peddling the truth.

    • 236
      Escape to victory says:

      Is high unemployment worse than ordinary unemployment – perhaps it is that unhappy state of being so poor one ‘forgets’ to wash?

    • 262
      Exiled In Wales says:

      Wake up, we’re in the Weimar Republic.

      • 425
        *That's* how high my dog can jump! says:

        Yeah? Where’s the great art, timeless movies, manufacturing base and funny comedians?

  74. 197
    Sir William Waad says:

    If you want anything to be done, you have to make somebody personally responsible for doing it or seeing that it is done. Quangos, like companies, do not do things. The people within them do things. Quangology means that nobody is personally responsible for anything; not the Minister, not the quango members themselves (heaven forfend), nor the people being quangoed, because they are only following orders. Ergo, there is much activity, but nothing is achieved.

  75. 205
    Anonymous says:

    Perfect example of the Tories problem, no straight talking politicians, Kelvin would have got a big round of applause if there was an audience and Hammond would be booed, but they were both in favour of the same thing

  76. 211
    Engineer says:

    Is Call Me Dave proposing a new Quango to evaluate the usefulness or otherwise of Quangos, and determine which are for the chop?

    Ofpiss, perhaps?

  77. 212
    Billy Sarsted says:

    Oh dear, they are getting in a mucking fuddle with their mangos, drongos, tangos, bongos, oh bollocks!!

  78. 214

    Source the Labour Party Press Office? Oh, dear. Then it must all be true, then!

    (Or if not a complete lie, something that was once true, and yet is so mangled it now might as well be a lie.

    Incidentally… European Powers declare war on Britons, Brown acused of vandalism, Spooks who use Facebook, Ministers who cant tell truth from lie: It’s just another Gordon Brown week…

  79. 217
    Max says:

    You can check these with Dave’s boys online; some are correct, some are exaggerations, some are straightforward made up. The Sports Commission (if it happens) would be a Cabinet Office committee; the national financial advice service would be funded by the finance industry (as CCCS, the debt service, is now). As already pointed out much of the list is made up of additional committment to the military to help repair the “broken covenenant” between military and state as engineered by McDoom, (“thanks a lot boys, sorry you lost your life out there”). Be cynical about ZaNuLab lies and spin, they are very good at it; the tory website is a good start as much of their policy is on there. But hey, Gordy of the empty beer cans told you they were “do nothing” and had “no policies” and yes, some of this sh!te sticks.

  80. 218
    Anonymous says:

    I thought it was true until I saw the source, the liebour party press office.
    Enough said. Don’t ever believe a word they say. Rotten to the core.

  81. 227
    Engineer says:

    What exactly is an Innovative Projects Agency supposed to do?

    By the time any government agency has got hold of anything innovative, evaluated it, referred it to several committees, reported on it, recommended legislation about it, and finally released it commercially it is likely to be Heritage, if not Archaeology.

    Keep government out of Innovation, please.

    • 234
      nell says:

      Not to mention the fact that whilst our committees are prevaricating – some other country has caught on to the design, patented it, marketed it and made a profit from it.

      • 273
        Engineer says:

        And then sold it back to us. The much-vaunted (Italian) Pendolino tilting trains recently introduced by Virgin on the West Coast Mainline use almost exactly the same technology as our own Advanced Passenger Train developed almost to commercial success by British Rail Engineering, and then killed off by government. The original is in the National Railway Museum now.

  82. 229
    nell says:

    There are 9 Regional Development Agencies in England. They are growing faster than any other part of government.

    On average they employ 500 people each and spend £370,000 per annum for every RDA employee. Though give them a year or two and they’ll whizz past those figures, probably even double them.

    Prezza who introduced them and gordon who thinks reckless spending is a worthwhile goal to pursue, would be so proud of their ability to plough through so much cash, in such a short space of time and for so little benefit to the country.

    • 232
      Engineer says:

      Prezza made a big fuss about the local referendum in the North East about whether or not to have a Regional Assembly. The good people of the North East voted resoundingly against. They got one foisted on them, anyway.

    • 237
      Trough Mixture says:

      Yorkshire Forward – Not Back. An hardworking Quango and the right thing to do – because Mr Prescott says so.

      • 250
        Escape to victory says:

        Yorkshire Forward – wtf message is that supposed to convey, it smacks of that inane management speak of the ‘going’ forward variety. Of all the hated , meaningless management speak bullshit that one really gets my goat. It is a piece of guff without equal – when someone says it, it immediately makes me consider why one would need to be reminded of the direction any venture would hope for . It is so implicit and therefore utterly unnecessary it has the same impact as reminding someone to breathe.

        Imagine adding at the end of occasional sentence uttered to one’s children ‘ breathe in and out’

        ”Don’t forget your sandwiches darlings, breathe in and out.’

      • 253
        nell says:

        +++sigh++++

        What a destroyed legacy these labour vandals are leaving us.’

        Squandermania’ one paper called it today.

        Most appropriate word I’ve heard yet to describe this labour illness from which our country has suffered for 12 long years.

        • 335
          thick as thieves says:

          it is going to be a hung parliament nell.
          get used to it and plan accordingly instead of waffling on with your nonsense.
          you are sounding like a really deluded oaf I’m afraid to say.
          you sound like an upper class twit, completely out of touch with reality.
          your leader, david cameron is a dodgy fucking c’unt.
          he is a housing benefit cheat and falsely claimed taxpayer money he was not entitled to. he has a history of drug use as does the shadow chancellor.
          dave and gideon are a pair of fucking wankers.
          that is the truth of the matter nell.
          you sound insane declaring an outright victory when the conservative party has no manifesto and is led by a pair of fucking toking jokers.
          you are out of touch nell.
          oh well.

        • 349
          nell says:

          tat darling – I wondered where you’d got to.

          Did you know that sarkozy and gordon met today at Evian -the place of the pure waters??!!!!

          gordon went to great lengths to try and give the impression that he is not the puppet but that he is pulling the strings. Mandy is just a side dish – nothing of importance!!!!

          +++hilarious laughter+++

          To the gamblers amongst us , and I am one occasionally. Back gordon if you believe in donkeys winning races.

          G’Night.God Bless.

        • 395
          Alan Philip Bonggg says:

          A hung parliament eh? Prison too good for them? spot on!

        • 398
          Anonymous says:

          Nell doesn’t sound like an “upper class twit” TaT. Nell lives in the real world where we take the knocks and bumps handed to us from the government. Suggest you visit it one day when/if you grow up.

        • 399
          thick as thieves says:

          gordon brown is a liability and he is a war criminal nell.
          trust me, I hold no brief for that fucking satanist and his black magic familiar peter ‘chief-rimmer’ mandelson.
          all I am saying is there will be a hung parliament.
          I am entirely happy with that turn of events, delighted infact.
          it does not suit your wishes though.
          I win, you lose.
          nothing personal nell.
          now would you have the decency to answer the question I posed earlier?
          I have now extended my original question into a short three question questionnaire
          1) have you ever been spanked?
          2) did you enjoy it?
          3) would you like to do it again?
          this is a yes or no deal, nell.
          and I think you should know that new girl is definitely up for it so if you don’t jump in you are going to miss out.
          last chance, I shan’t ask again.
          your loss love.

        • 490
          Sir William Waad says:

          So, TAT, how is the relationship with Jacqui these days? Are you still in the doghouse?

    • 461
      Anonymous says:

      I applied for a job at one of them recently. I did a lot of research beforehand and I was interviewed by three of their Board, who fired questions at me for 45 minutes.

      I noticed on leaving that another person came in to reception. He was known by the staff there who asked why he came in by the front door, when the back door was nearer to his office. He said he had to see someone. The person who escorted me to my interview came down to meet him. They called each other by first names and it was obvious they knew each other quite well.

      Needless to say, as the “token outsider” I didn’t get the job. I had to travel over an hour and a half to get to this interview. What a complete waste of my time and effort.

  83. 248

    Unless Dave aims to replace all the other Quangos with these 17? It’d save a lot of money!

  84. 266
    Aberdeen Angus McDayie says:

    “Source : Labour Party press office.” Nuff said. The first casualty of war is semantics. Layber here are muddying the water – to their advantage as usual.

    Quangos are traditionally stuffed by incoming governments with their own stooges. They are given budgets to spend. They implement the partisan policies of the government, without the government being seen as unduly partisan, and hence as responsible for the consequences. They are inherently political, and undemocratic. What Layber are calling the Tories new quangos appear nothing of the sort. Why, say, should an Office of Tax Simplification be considered separate from the Treasury? It makes no sense, but then that is zanu liebore, as personified here by little Baters and little Prides.

  85. 274
    going down the pan says:

    Cameron one more quango means one less vote !

  86. 276
    Anonymous says:

    What is the betting now on an October election, testing the water in Norwich bye-election?

    If they go full term then they will lose any way?

    What is the educated guess?

    What would Guido put his money on?

    • 414
      Psephologue says:

      The Norwich By-election would not be a good test.

      The Tories have an excellent candidate, Chloë Smith: 26 years old, presentable, single, with over a year of campaigning on local issues behind her. Shadow cabinet members are supporting her efforts with daily visits – Cameron has already visited twice – and the Tory campaigning machine is there in full force.

      The Labour candidate, Chris Ostrowski is a London based John Lewis PLC Product Manager, whose connection with the constituency is that he is a graduate of Norwich based University of East Anglia. Selected the weekend before the election date announced, he was last of seven Labour MEP candidates for the East region, when he gave his home address as Ipswich (!).

      Labour problems are compounded by Brown refusing to say whether he will visit to constituency, getting testy when quizzed on the subject by the local press. Local support remains strong for Dr Ian Gibson, the Labour MP and casualty of the expenses scandal, whose resignation triggered the by-election. The local constituency chairman resigned with him and the Vice Chairman criticised the subsequent selection of Ostrowski. Only local members attended the selection meeting.

      Locals feel Gibson has been unfairly singled out for punishment by the PLP and
      feel the decision was more influenced by his independence from the government whips than abuse of his expenses. His resignation statement reinforces this view:
      “I am proud to have voted with the Government on the introduction of Tax Credits, Pension Credits and the Minimum Wage etc., but equally proud to have voted against invading Iraq, ID Cards, renewing Trident missiles and the charging of University Top-Up Fees.”

      For some time there was local pressure for Gibson to stand as an independent, but he has very recently declined and given his official support for Ostrowski.

      The Greens are strong in Norwich, but more in the wards of the city south of the constituency boundary. They are the dark horse.

      Lib Dems are a presence but not a threat. UKIP are putting effort into the campaign but are not starting from a solid base.

      Oddballs are a fake ‘Reverend’ standing for the British Naughty Party; Craig Murray, our former man in Uzbekistan; a Raving Loony; an 18 year old Libertarian; and another Independent.

      Given all of the above it is difficult to see how Labour can use the by-election as a litmus test for an October General Election. Tories need a swing of 8.3% to win: it is 163 on their target list. Only one poll (limited sample) has been published giving the Tories a 4% lead over Labour.

      The poll probably overstates Labour’s position. Most local comment predicts a wider victory. The unknown is the ranking of the minor parties. There is a possibility that Labour will be overtaken by either the Lib Dems or Greens, particularly if either get momentum for the anti-Tory vote.

      • 415
        Psephologue says:

        Correction: para 4 “Only local members” should read “Only 50 local members”.

  87. 310
    The Dark Lord says:

    Pension Entitlement National Institute Study: PENIS

    • 331
      Bybeiev Rhibodie says:

      QUIM – Queers Unravel the Institution of Marriage

    • 408
      PT Barnham's shit shoveller says:

      Reminds me of when Newcastle Poly became a university and proposed calling itself the Central University of Newcastle on Tyne. Which was fine until someone put the acronym on a letterhead….

  88. 312
    nell says:

    Who is this man, sponsored by Direct Holidays, who is looking so worried?

    Is he someone on a PO Cruise, worried that he’ll find himself on a table with gordon and sarah, only to find that he’s sharing a table with the especially nice william hague and his wife.

  89. 315
    Barry Walters says:

    How about:
    No pension paid from public funds will be more than 7 times the Old Age Pension?

    That is about £35,000/year

    Should be enough to live on.
    And not index linked except against the OAP.

    Barry

    • 322
      nell says:

      I’m sorry Barry but why should we pay them that much – especially this labour crew who have destroyed our economy?

    • 337
      Engineer says:

      Public servants should save for their own pensions in the same way that those in the private sector do. Including MPs.

    • 366
      grobdj says:

      Not sure if 7 times is the right figure, but in principle, using a multiple of the OAP basic pension as a measure for a range of financial limits is a great idea and would make the country a much fairer place to live and die in

      How about applying a high tax rate to the amount by which executive pay (share options, benefit-in-kind, and expenses included) exceeds a multiple of the lowest-paid worker in his organisation?

      • 381
        Steve Expat says:

        Good idea in theory, but they would jus outsource the lowest paid workers so only managers were directly employed.

        If the lowest paid guy in the company eans 25 or 30 grand then life is good for the Executive (as always)…

        Might work better in the public sector though, a lot of the 6 million earn poor wages while the select few live like Lords

  90. 339
    Unsworth says:

    ‘New’ is not the same as ‘additional’

    • 354
      Doctor Mick says:

      It would be nice to know how many he intends to close. But you won’t find that out on LaboursLost.

  91. 357
    Junior Asprin says:

    I am in favour of castrating all shetland ponies, I hate the stubborn little fuckers

    • 359
      Poo Stripe says:

      a quango is another name for a cufflink made from a shetland pony bollock

      ie. I like your quangos

  92. 375
    HERE LIE'S GORDON BROWN RIP says:

    The Torys have announced an increase of £1bn in aid to India for the development of private schools while India has just taken delivery of 1700 T90 Tanks and the 2nd of 4 aircraft carriers supplied by Russia at a cost £7+bn. India can also find billions to fund it’s space programme. Labour Tory, Pepsi Coke, no fucking difference.!

  93. 376
    Dack Blog says:

    Quango list on Newsnight. Some are hilarious. Total of 750,000 employees and 64 billion quid. Showing Thatcher, Blair and Brown ‘promising’ to root and branch them. Saying Cameron planning (I think) to get shot of 168.

  94. 379
    Trevor says:

    You need to take claims from labour press office with a pinch of salt Mr Guido (they are the great satan)

    Office of Tax Simplification – comes from a suggestion by Lord Howe, not official policy. God knows we need it.

    Office of Budget Responsibility — a damned good idea

    Free national financial advice service – this comes from the ‘Thoresen Review of Generic Financial Advice’, — it was, wait for it Commissioned by the government.

    Healthwatch – yep its a tory idea — “And we will ensure that the voice of patients is listened to through the creation of a national consumer voice: HealthWatch”

    ‘Sports Commission’ (Australian model) — this comes from a Conservative discussion document which suggests — “Conservatives would create a cross-departmental Cabinet Office Committee on sport, based on the Australian Sports Commission, to streamline the delivery of sport and act as a champion for sport in government”

    Office for Civil Society – the BBC report, “David Cameron plans to create the office by replacing the current Office of the Third Sector, although he argues the new office will be put “at the heart of government” to fight for the interests of charities … ”

    Social Investment Bank – not sure where this comes from to be honest. Darling championed one in his last budget. Reports say its part of Tory policy to replace the Office of the Third Sector (again). (Oh, thats charities to the rest of us). An attempt to help charities seems good idea to me.

    In the current military climate I think it would be harsh to criticise the motives behind the 3 military organisations.

    International Aid Watchdog — The Guardian reports, “The government is to create an independent watchdog to monitor the effectiveness of the fast-rising overseas aid budget, the development secretary Hilary Benn said yesterday. .After pressure from the Conservatives, he said he was establishing a seven-strong body of experts to help him ensure the £7bn a year spent by the Department for International Development was being properly spent.” Ho hum – a definite forked tongue from the Labour Press office there…

    Innovative Projects Agency — The Times Higher Education Supplement point out it is an idea from a Tory Study Review which, “would take on the work of the existing Technology Strategy Board, the Department of Trade and Industry’s knowledge-transfer programmes, the innovation budget, the UK high-technology fund, a slice of the Government’s £1.6 billion research and development budgets and parts of the science and technology budgets of the regional development agencies.” Ho hum again.

    National Foundation for STEM — assume this is releated to the Tories, ‘Science, Engineering, Technology & Mathematics (STEM) Task Force’ . The report says, “Overall we conclude that there needs to be a single voice in the public sector championing STEM – one which brings some co-ordination, discipline and focus to the many overlapping yet diffuse initiatives in this field. Hence we have proposed a new Agency to be a champion for STEM in the public sector and across society as a whole.”
    ‘a single voice’ implies getting rid of other multiple voices. Indeed the report says “We anticipate that the agency would incorporate the work and most of the staff of the
    existing Council of Science & Technology, the Science and Society section of the Office of Science & Innovation in the DTI and the public engagement part of Research Councils UK.” …. Well what the hell we are in the 21st century!

    “HealthWatch” – yep its a Tory idea, and it looks like a quango to me. “And we will ensure that the voice of patients is listened to through the creation of a national consumer voice: HealthWatch”
    “In this plan, scrapping targets and bureaucracy will free up resources to frontline care. ”

    Export Services organisation – “We will streamline the procurement process to ensure the speedy delivery of equipment to the front line. And we will immediately reinstate the Defence Export Services Organisation (DESO) to ensure a healthy UK defence sector.” I cannot fault this. what do the French do i wonder?

    All Age Careers Service – Well just how do you want to end the curse of NEETs? The Tories point out – “The Skills Commission says: “there has been a decline in the quality of careers guidance since Connexions replaced the Careers Service [in 2001].” ” …. “That is why we will introduce a £180 million independent careers advice service for all secondary schools. …. And it will be an all-age careers service, to help those who are already NEET and missed out on good advice at school.”
    Sounds like it will replace this ‘Connexions’ – good idea since its spelt wrongly.

    Voluntary Action Lottery Fund – Tory policy is to “Replace the Big Lottery Fund with a Voluntary Action Fund dedicated to the voluntary and community sector” — err that’s ‘replace’.

    A development agancy for libraries — ?? You got me there.
    But former bookseller and mow good library advocate Tim Coates (his elder son, Sam, is political correspondent for the Times) did give a speech to the ‘Conservative Party Forum on Libraries’ (its good to know i support a literate party) — he said, “It is timely for the Conservative Party to articulate a Vision for public libraries” “The Conservative party has a tremendous opportunity to take the lead in this matter immediately. ” For as long as I can remember the officers of the MLA and the London Libraries Development Agency have been on the point of trying to resolve the political and technical questions that would make such progress possible.”
    So we ALREADY have a development agency in London !

    But essentially Mr Fawkes you are found out disseminating Labour propaganda – but hey thats fine, it fits in with your prejudice. But its a tad hypocritical — innit ?? Will you come clean ??

    • 401
      thick as thieves says:

      TOO LONG
      TOO BORING
      I’M TOP BOY AND YOU ARE TORY TROLL SCUM
      DAVE’S A BENEFIT CHEAT AND GIDEON’S A CRACKHEAD BEGGAR
      FUCK OFF WANKER!
      what a total cripple.

      • 419
        Anonymous says:

        So why is being a cripple used as an insult? II have known and worked with people who could be described as a cripple. they are no less worthy than anyone else. As for you, well no-one would object if you fucked off and died.

      • 426
        stilyagi_air_corps says:

        Tits, you could *never* be ‘Top Boy’. You don’t even know where the expression comes from – if you did, you’d have woken up bleeding on the floor every morning. YOU are a cripple. A mental and spiritual cripple. I bet you’re quiet and polite as fuck when you’re out and about in decent society… but then I guess people on the register have to be.

        Oh, and you talk too much.

        • 501
          George Laird says:

          Dear stilyagi_air_corps

          Do you come here after pulling the pud to have a breather?

          You used the you’re mental gag on me too.

          What a cut and paste hoon!

          Yours sincerely

          George Laird
          The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

        • 504
          Tommy MakHakka says:

          *
          *
          *
          *

          THYQK AS 2 SHORT PLANQKXSZ TORKS 2 MUTCH

          AND NAO THIQK AS A PLONGQKHUR HAS STARTID SHAOUWTING

          WOSSAMATTA WIV THAT SOUPERSUKKER

          *

          ASTA

      • 450
        Professor Pipi says:

        I feel sorry for TAT. I doubt he has a personality disorder, as many here have speculated, but he is clearly deeply insecure. His need to try to offend is often found in those who do not like themselves, fear (with reason) that others won’t like them, and try to compensate by getting their attack in first. In this way Tat tries to belittle anyone who might see him for the pathetic creature he knows he is, reducing the impact of their criticism on his already fragile ego. Sad little man.

        • 469
          tat says:

          it is a strategy I use.
          and it works every time I use it.
          like a charm.

        • 505
          Tommy MakHakka says:

          *
          *
          *
          *
          THE WURLD WYDE INTURWEB IS INFESTED WITH UNKL SAM
          SHORT PLANQKHURS

          THEY HAVE BEEN ATTAKKING SARAH PAYLIN IN SWARMS
          BUTT TO NOAH AVAYL OF TEERSZ

          THEY ARE BLOODIE USELOSS FORWARD SLASHERS

          MANNIKIN PEAS

          DOGSKRYPTERSZ

          *

          SARAH PALIN KALLS DOGSKRYPTING THE AMERRYKAN DIZEEEZE

          *

          ASTA

      • 480
        Trevor says:

        Too long? yeah shit head – the truth barely has time to get its trousers on before a lie has travelled half way round the world. Sorry to have upset all the prejudice in your fuck-wit brain. Gee this insulting stuff is easy – innit?

        Oh – ‘strategy’? — You do not even know the difference between strategy and tactics.

      • 488
        The Dark Lord says:

        steady on!

    • 410
      PT Barnham's shit shoveller says:

      Good info there, Trevor, thanks. Although I still think a single body responsible for welfare and skills for military personnel and families makes more sense – integration, joined up thinking, that kind of thing.

      Folk may cheer them when they come home, stand respectfully silent when coffins pass, but when they return to civilian life broken in mind or body, nobody gives a toss. That has to change.

      • 481
        Trevor says:

        Indeed.

        BTW When I said “In the current military climate I think it would be harsh to criticise the motives behind the 3 military organisations. ” — perhaps I should have added “unless you are the Labour Party that is”

  95. 380

    [...] A number of people have spotted the Tory promise to set up a super-quango; the NHS Board. Possibly related posts: (automatically [...]

  96. 382
    Trevor says:

    Apologies for putting ‘HealthWatch in twice – getting bleary eyed. The point still is these are either not quangos or are merging other quangos.

  97. 392

    [...] inestimable Guido Fawkes is one, and he delights in listing ones the Tories will ‘create’  -  as opposed to wind up..  Unfortunately he [...]

  98. 396

    Poor Ofcom have already started with their squeaks of alarm!
    Honest Al nobbled! Ofcom screams! Lords angry!

    And as for poor Al Johnson!

    • 443
      hoof-hearted says:

      OFCOM and all these other supposed regulatory bodies are a complete waste of time. I had to get in touch with ICSTIS a few years ago because an austrian site charged my phone account (through my internet connection) to the tune of almost £700. BT took their payment, even though they knew this was erroneous. ICSTIS took my case, but it took nearly two years to get my money back from the austrian firm, and that was only because I threatened to involve the Ombudsman as a last resort. These bodies have no actual powers to regulate anything and I found that I had to do a lot of the chasing up myself, which was extremely time-consuming and very annoying. Once I was registered they just gave me a reference, put my case at the bottom of the pile and nothing happened for months.

      Scottish Power rang me to ask me to change my gas and electricity supplier. I declined. Even so they decided to take my account anyway, and they wrote to British Gas without my knowledge or consent, cancelling all my accounts. That took me about three months to sort out, and I was also threatened with Court as I refused to pay them any money for a service I had not authorised.

      Perhaps Gordon should concentrate on getting the less diligent companies to pull their socks up. Some of these companies have been fined for erroneous practices, but it’s not nearly enough.

  99. 411
    Boris Carloffe says:

    Liar McMental and his cronies have been preaching about openness and transparency (Since MP’s expenses fiasco), why don’t they publish
    Names of employees of each Quango
    Salaries
    Expenses
    and what the quango has achieved over past three months.
    The problem would then soon be solved as they would all resign in disgrace and this would make a great start in government cuts in spending

  100. 412
    Alan Philip Bonggg says:

    Quango No 1. “tax simplification” worries me. Tax simplification has always been an excuse for the present government to hike tax rates. e.g. the reason for raising the lowest level of Corporation tax for small businesses from 0% to 19% according to Gordon in his budget speech was “simplificatication”. It is now 21% and due to increase to 22% in the next budget.

    • 452
      Sukyspook says:

      Tax simplification = tax free ‘think tanks’ and their ilk…..

    • 462
      On Harman Pride's Dossier says:

      Speak to an accountant. The tax system at the moment is completely fubar, which is why so many big companies and rich individuals can avoid paying tax, leaving the burden to the middle-earners and the SMEs.

      What’s needed is to simplify the tax system so that it’s clear, fair and obvious how much tax a person or company has to pay. An additional upside is that you can prune HMRC down a bit too.

      • 485
        Trevor says:

        Indeed the budget tax guide book (or what ever it is called) has more than doubled in thickness in 12 years.

  101. 413
    Scorched Earth says:

    This is all complete P.R. Horseshit. Simple as that.

    Will Cameron slash Quango’s and save Billions ? Of course not.

    Will Brown, sorry, Milliboy or Johnson slash Quango’s and save Billions ?
    Of course not and neither will anyone else.

    Smoke and mirrors people.

    Because they are all clearly terrified of admitting that they won’t just be slashing public spending but putting Taxes up as well to try and climb the Debt mountain.

    And I know some of you would like to think otherwise but that’s WHOEVER gets in.
    Taxes are going up.

    All this PR bullshit about cost savings in Quangoes or efficiency savings in the civil service or elsewhere gets trotted out every time a Party wants to seem tough on spending but won’t admit that Taxes are going up.

    • 417

      The Laffer curve says not. The ease of International Travel has the effect of lowering the extortion maxima.

      • 422
        Scorched Earth says:

        Dream on.

        Politicians pay as much attention to the Laffer curve as they do to any other Policy wonk Economic tool when they are up shit creek without a paddle.

        The levels of debt incurred because the Taxpayer bailed out the incompetent Banks is cataclysmic.

        It’s going to have to get paid back down SOON or the Polticians will be calling on the IMF, Britain’s Credit Rating will shatter and we’ll enter yet another death spiral as the effect of that destroys any possibility of a recovery.

        Doesn’t matter who says otherwise Taxes are going up.

        Cameron has already ringfenced a couple of the highest spending departments and Labour have done the same.

        The shortfall is going to come from higher Taxes.

        And if you think we even know the entire colossal extent of the debt hole we are in yet then that’s adoreable. Cameron knows full well that Brown is fiddling the figures in a desperate attempt to polish the turd.

        Where the Tax axe will fall hardest and how much will be “stealth” we don’t yet know. But you seriously underestimate Politicians if you think we have reached the maximum level of Taxation. (not that there is such a thing)

        International travel or not there’s a reason you won’t see Labour or the Conservatives make any suicidal “read my lips” statements about Taxes before the Election.

  102. 427
    caesars wife says:

    guido you might enjoy on you tube “gordon browns ironic coundown speech”

    cant find millibands speech yet “structure of labour must change” , seems to echo one he made last time gordon went away

  103. 428
    Nintendo Fan says:

    Why are the Chinese Rioting???

    • 429

      Because they want an Ummah and do all the backward islamic things their cousins across the border do.

      Mo’hamed, Mo’Problems.

      • 470
        tat says:

        you anticitizen are an anti-royalist and racist computer geek.
        YOU ARE SCUM!
        another day closer to the general election and another thread owned by
        TOP BOY!
        THAT IS WHY I AM TOP BOY INNIT!

    • 430
      Anonymous says:

      Seems to be along religious grounds. Muslims attacking local Han minorities and then the Chinese responding heavy handed. I thought at first it was another Tianamin Square but then it appears that the fatalities are more due to the protestors. Difficult to tell the truth as the Chinese regime have shut down outside communication inc the internet.

  104. 431
    Gordon Brown's new deal in action - Porn! says:

    Gordon Brown’s new deal in action – Porn!

    Jobcentre advertises TV porn job

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/5760558/Jobcentre-advertises-TV-porn-job.html

    • 454
      Pimp Dem Hos says:

      All these bright and beautiful hos leavin college with big big money owed. They’s all gaggin for a job in ma possee man, know what I mean? Money owed means lots of hos! Boom time for me man! Thank you Tone, thank you Gord. Ma biz’s nevva had it so good.

  105. 432
    Gordon Brown's new deal in action - Porn! says:

    WTF!

    How many of those unemployed on benefits will lost their benefits for not being willing to apply for this position!???!

    • 438
      hoof-hearted says:

      I’m sure there will be loads of takers. My Jobcentre appointment is first thing in the morning and I stand outside the building once a fortnight and listen to all the Chavs on their mobile phones. They all “eff and jeff” and call each other “slags”. Most of the young girls are virtually topless, even though most of them are well over 16 stone. Yuk!

  106. 433
    Anon says:

    Is there no end to the mentalist’s lunacy?

    “Gordon Brown was last night accused of striking a bad deal for the taxpayer after agreeing to give France £15million to help tighten its borders. ”

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1197875/French-use-British-people-finding-technology-scan-illegal-immigrants-trying-cross-Channel.html

    15 million here, 15 million there, he’ll bankrupt the country soon…

  107. 435
    Trough Mixture says:

    Didn’t Toenails look bonny in his Flasher Mac last night?

    Throw in a Fedora – could’ve been Bogie himself.

  108. 439
    Vote vote vote for Jacqui says:

    Today is the 4th Anniversary of the 7/7 London Bombings in which over 150
    brutally died.
    There is a memorial dedication in Hyde Park today and what does SKY fucking News open it’s 7am bulletin with?.
    “Michael” I’m Dead “Jackson “and two fat tarts screaming histericaly ‘cos they
    have won tickets in a ballot to attend the circus.
    Disgraceful,Disguating and DISLOYAL to our own innocent dead,.

    • 440
      Anon says:

      Agreed. That prize cow Kay Burley living it up and asking nobodies stupid questions. Jesus wept. Fucking disgraceful.

      • 444
        Vote vote vote for Jacqui says:

        My own daughter was TWO tubes behind the Aldgate carnage. I couldn’t get hold of her for two hours.It was terrifying for me until she finally emerged at her work.Just imagine how the friends and families of the actual victims must have suffered? Terrible,terrible and Michael Peado Jacko is higher up the Sky News programme.What world are we living in? There should be a Two Minute Silence today but will there be?
        No fucking way.
        How about a Two Minute Silence from Kay Burley,yes please.Lightweight bastard.

        • 453
          "When all this nonsense over MP's expenses is over" says:

          Leave the kiddy fiddler alone.

          12 people have committed suicide over the “King” (not Elvis) dying at 50. The greatest ever (until the next one) rock performer, musician.

          Leave the poor fellow alone, he was abused (aren’t they all) as a child.

          Don’t be so nasty. We can’t live without you Michael.

          Sorry now suffering Jackson fatigue……..

        • 464
          Vincent Kennnedy MacMahon says:

          Sky News Programme
          Scottish National Party

          Has there being two worthless organizations sharing the same initials since the WWF and WWF?

    • 448
      Derek says:

      Can’t agree more switched the news off, who gives a f*** about MJ

  109. 442
    Anon says:

    wtf?

    Fuck off Cameron and fuck all you Tories.

    Patient records should be given to Microsoft or Google, say Tories
    NHS patient records would be outsourced to Microsoft or Google under Tory plans, instead of being held on a central government database.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/google/5753071/Patient-records-should-be-given-to-Microsoft-or-Google-say-Tories.html

    • 483
      Trevor says:

      The suggestion is to to generally outsource patient records. Who knows it might save you a panfull of billions of pounds.

      Do you really think you are safe with the govt holding information about you?

  110. 445
    Flemingcrag says:

    Cameron has to do much better than this piffle on maybe reducing some Quangos whilst creating others. Between elected officials, Quangos, Consultants and Special Advisers (SPADs) we are the most over-governed Country in the World and all the more badly governed because the plethora of Know-Nothings only contributes to none of them taking the rap when things go wrong.
    Cameron should say now he is going to half the number of elected officials in the Westminster Parliament, Welsh Assembly, Northern Ireland Assembly and the wee Scottish Parliament. Councillors, Quangos, Consultants and SPADs should then get the same treatment.
    His model of Government should be based on the Swiss example where the number of MP equivalents barely numbers two score and who only meet every three months or so. This Country would benefit greatly from a term of Government where no new laws are debated or passed, the focus should be on correcting the mess of bad laws passed by successive Goverments using Three Line Whipping and Scrutiny Committees stuffed with Government placemen.

  111. 446
  112. 451
    "When all this nonsense over MP's expenses is over" says:

    This country is a joke.

    Too much tax. Too much regulation. Too many overbearing laws.

    Too many stupid people.

    • 474
      McGroom says:

      Blair, Brown and New Labour’s legacy will be the destruction of the UK as important to the world.

      Obama doesn’t care about the “special relationship” because we don’t produce anything the US needs, they don’t owe us a vast amount of money and they end up supplying our troops when we “lapdog” their conflicts.

      UK external Debt is £6 trillion so the world is very concerned about our ability to meet our liabilities. With Brown and Darling happy to hand over more control of London’s financial market to Brussels, the greatest tax earning industry is about to be destroyed forever.

      Not that I think that the Tories will be able to do much about it, but do we really think that Brown, Balls and Mandelson are the best people to fix the mess THEY have made.

      The only thing we can do is USE OUR VOTE (for whoever you think is best) and hopefully as soon is possible.

      BUT, be under no illusion, like an ageing dowager, the UK will not return to the global position we enjoyed in the 20th century and any government will have to adapt to “a new normal”.

      The next government will need to change many things to only spend what we can afford. That means creating a fair benefits system and controls on immigration as a blantantly unfair tax system will se the best talent leave forever.

      NOT AN EASY TASK – especially as the current “get something for nothing” beneficiaries will not vote for a party that will cut their “earnings”

  113. 458
    Wan Hang Lo says:

    Hows about one that monitors public bodies being used as politicaly subversive tools for party ends?

    http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/politics/SNP-angry-at-Tory-leader39s.5411995.jp?CommentPage=1&CommentPageLength=1000#4174323

    How the hell can Iran be preached too when our own police officers are partaking in political blackmail, slander and subversion of free speach?

    Scottish and English “Democracy” is a laughing stock.

  114. 482
    Trevor says:

    You are still peddling Labour Party lies Mr Fawkes – a pity you cannot own up to being ‘had’.

  115. 486
    Old Man River says:

    There’s another of those mawkish necrophiliac ceremonies going on. That’s yet another mind-numbingly boring annual necrofest to put in the calendar to stop the press reporting real news. Another annual display of incontinent emotion. Another pretence of grief. And this afternoon we’ve got the tasteless burial of Michael Jackson, sans brain.

    • 487
      anon says:

      Presumably you regard Remembrance Sunday as mawkish and necrophiliac? You sick bastard!

      • 499
        Old Man River says:

        First World War 16million dead and 21million wounded. Everyone I know has a family member who died in WW1.

        7/7 – 52 dead and 700 wounded. None of them known or related to me or anyone I know.

        More people have died from road accidents and MRSA that died in the 7/7 bombing. Are we going to have memorial days for them too?

  116. 491
    A firm pair of breasts says:

    Well #17 sounds like a real waste of OUR money more than the othes do. In fact they all seem like a waste of OUR money

  117. 492

    [...] Anyway, I did idly wonder, reading the speech, who would be granting licences for new schools under the Tory free schools plan. In Sweden, it is the National Agency for Education, a Quango, which decides whether a school is eleigble for state funding.  Will that be number 18 on the list of new Tory Quangos? [...]

  118. 493
    Anonymous says:

    cant wait for the torys to get,we who have our own private health policy want to see the NHS fucked up to much of my money going in to it.HANDS UP WHO WANTS TO GO BACK TO LONG WAITING LISTS…..

  119. 500
    Chevy in a levee says:

    Frank Field on his feet with his amendment now.

  120. 503
    The Master says:

    Young Peoples Development Program set up 2005 to reduce teeneage pregnancies. 2009, they have gone up!

  121. 506
    Noodles says:

    Err. DESO was abolished and moved into DTI/BERR year or two back. Which planet are the Tories on?


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