July 3rd, 2009

The Case Against Osborne

osborne homes

There is something fishy about this – how does Osborne justify a mortgage for more than the house actually cost?  Isn’t that maximising the interest burden on the taxpayer to an unhealthy degree?  Also this two-year period where he claimed for a mortgage on his main home which he had used to finance his second home is very questionable.  Surely it is not beyond the wit of a man who hopes to be Chancellor to arrange for a mortgage to be on the right property?

Osborne’s spinning that it is politically motivated, even if it is, that doesn’t mean the issue should not be investigated. This is public money and Osborne wants to be trusted with the public finances. He needs to show that his behaviour and intentions were beyond reproach.

What it shows is the attitude of MPs to maximising their own income from the taxpayer extends even to those who supposedly are hawkish on controlling government spending. Not encouraging is it?


452 Comments

  1. 1
    Finnpog says:

    Cameron needs to ditch the sleeze – even if they are his mates.

    Moral high-ground? I think not.

    • 2
      Finnpog says:

      Oh – and to all the “First” posters…Check me out!! :)

      • 7
        Money makes Money says:

        He’s a very rich man.
        The’re usually the greediest!

        • 41

          Nonsense, greed is a flaw that impacts people of all wealth and none.

        • 52
          Pap says:

          The thoughts of Jarvis Cocker!

        • 80
          Pudge Facker says:

          Time to say ta ta to Gideon Osborne methinks.

        • 99
          Tin Cunliffe-Arsely says:

          Poor people’s greed is usually on a much smaller scale though.

          ie having an extra large portion of chips, with extra gravy.

        • 130
          Anonymous says:

          number 7:

          http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/96528cac-6769-11de-925f-00144feabdc0.html

          Is this kind of greed OK?
          Perhaps the Barings Bank type of operator is still at large.
          Osborne pales in comparison.
          Greed is a natural human self-preservation survival skill.
          Sadly, it can also be the cause of Darwinian self-elimination.

        • 158
          Tin Cunliffe-Arsely says:

          129. yes greed is natural. But it figures as a bad thing in many religions. So God doesnt like it. I say that as an atheist, and the point is still valid.

        • 405
          English Viking says:

          Greed is nothing to do with Darwin. It is a result of the fall of man from a state of sinlessness into the depraved creature he is today. It affects all and sundry, and usually the worst affected are those who fail to recognise this aspect of the human condition in themselves.

        • 439
          thick as thieves says:

          well that’s gideon snortalot fucked then.
          what a greedy, thieving, lying c’unt.
          note to gideon: so you are relaxed about being exposed as a liar and fraudster.
          what a fucking sp@stic!

      • 23
        Col. M.T. Kernel (retd.) says:

        SIR- Well done that chap!

        Yours, must give the new-post-checker-wallah a kick up The Balearics, Col. M.T. Kernel (retd.)

      • 36

        Gordon Brown said:

        “The first thing we’ve got to do is to clean up politics once and for all. We’ve got to make sure that people see that their Members of Parliament and those who seek to represent them are acting in the public interest and not in their self interest.

        “We’ve got to make sure that people see that their politicians are in it not for what they can get, but for what they can give. That’s why today we promise that we will uphold the highest standards of integrity, we promise that there will be transparency in everything we do, we promise that we will report to our constituents and do so as regularly as possible. Report not only to our own party but to all sections of the community in our constituencies so they can raise their concerns with us and we can be true and honoured servants of the people of this country.

        “I believe that our pledge to clean up politics, complemented by the new Parliamentary Standards authority that Harriet Harman is introducing, complemented by the new code of conduct for MPs and complemented by the review that is now taking place of four years of previous expenses, so we deal with any abuse, we deal with any repayment, we deal with anything that has been wrong and discipline people as necessary is the first start to making sure that the politics of our country are based on these principles: that we will always act responsibly and in a fair way.”

        • 62
          Another angry voter says:

          We’ll believe you when known and unrepepentant fraudsters, including but not limited to Shahid Malik and Ann Keen, are dismissed from your government. Until then just add the statements above to the ever growing list of labour lies.

        • 76
          summer_breeze says:

          That promise lasted a whole five minutes, didn’t it?

          Anyone heard what is going on with Malik btw, things have been far too quiet in that direction, of late. To be fair.

        • 131
          Thomas says:

          Trust a Charlie from Labour List to try to make it a party political issue

        • 136
          PT Barnham's shit shoveller says:

          Plagiarist. Copycat. Mimic.

          Ever had a thought you could call your own, Mr H?

        • 181
          Adrian Prole says:

          Well he did invent ‘Graphic Infidelity’

        • 234
          barefootcontessa says:

          You said that, was it yesterday Adrian? Only last time you missed out the i!

        • 247
          Adrian Prole says:

          Sorry, Contessa. I had a late night on the pop and am still coming round. I’m amazed I spelled it right (if I did).

          Note to self: Don’t post until fully compos mentis.

        • 347
          Budgie says:

          Gordon Brown said (according to Labour tribalist): “… we promise that there will be transparency in everything we do …”

          hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

        • 375
          William says:

          I will always cherish the initial misconceptions I had about you being competent.

        • 382
          Ed Balls says:

          And the first thing to do to clean up politics is to get rid of the greedy socialists.

        • 401
          Trevor Brooking says:

          Charles E Hardwidge says “Squawk! Aaark! Pieces of eight!!”

        • 406
          English Viking says:

          #302 I agree but replacing them with greedy capitalists will not improve the average man’s lot.

        • 408
          English Viking says:

          I beg your pardon, I meant #383

    • 14
      Yncle Vanya says:

      Yes, Mr Osbourne should be dropped as the Shadow Chancellor. After all, we’ve already had one Chancer(ll)or who hasn’t a clue about basic economic theory and the Business and Economic Cycle of ‘Boom & Bust’ every 15 to 16 years or so.

      Mr Cameron should quietly tell Mr George to go, and get someone who is:-

      (a) A bit more honest, and (b) Is savy about economics and finance. and (c) Isn’t a Spinmeister and an ‘Obfuscating’ twunt!!

      He come across too much like a Public Shcool Boy Twat. But then he does come from the Landed Gentry of Anglo-Irish descent, so therefore is a minor ‘Aristo’.

      So Mr George, do the Conservatives a favour and quietly go back to the Back Benches. After all, we need a Tory Government who are a bit more ‘squeaky clean’ than the current bunch lying, toerags and Muppets…..!!

      • 28
        Dippy ness says:

        Agreed. Mandy must be loving this, can’t wait to hear his vitriolic remarks.

      • 33
        Counsel for defence says:

        Were George Osborne to manage the national finances with the same acuity that he managed his own affairs, we might all benefit. He has certainly been sharp but not, on the evidence I have yet seen, dishonest. He does of course come across as a “Public Shcool Boy Twat”, but then so did Tony Blair.

        • 61
          When all this nonsense over MP's expenses is over... says:

          He may be a public school twat.

          But I would rather support an educated twat than a moronic semi literate uneducated oik.

          Something tells me I would be on the winning side in every respect.

          Frankly if the best you can do s come up with such drivel no wonder we are in the mess we are in. Class envy. Pathetic.

          And for what it is worth he is the son of a merchant. Not exactly aristocratic. Hardly landed gentry is it.

          Get a life please. And I think he’s a tosser too but for hopefully valid and justifiable reasonons.

        • 147
          Doctor Mick says:

          There are twats from all walks of life but you really should grow out of this envy of public school “toffs”. I do have a problem with socialist politicians fucking around with state education while sending their own kids to be privately educated and that seems to apply to most of the NuLabour elite.

          The fact that both Osborne and Cameron went to Eton shouldn’t be held against them unless you have a chip on your shoulder. They should be judged on their personal merits. If you can find any.

        • 185
          barefootcontessa says:

          I must come to the defense of George Osborne. His father runs an excellent interior design business, Osborne and Little, and they have, for years, made some of the most beautiful wallpaper. This may just be the area he has in common with Mandleson. Mandleson would love to discuss, till the cows come home I would think, questions of decoration for his many homes.

        • 215
          barefootcontessa says:

          Agree Dr.Mick. This antagonism toward people who were educated at a public school is very childish, and very prejudiced. George Galloway is an example of a man who pretends to be all things to all men but continuously takes unnecessary swipes at people who were educated that way. They should remember that children do not make the decision about where they are educated. That decision is in the hands of the parents. All men should be judged wherever educated, as equals. There are good and bad in every country, and every school. It is unfortunate that, on the whole private education is superior to state education This point was well put by Peter Hitchens on ?time last night. He made mince meat of harriett harman, which was good. J. Cocker was surprisingly ‘off the wall’ and entertaining, made the politicians from the 3 parties look as if they had swallowed something very nasty !

        • 267
          Adrian Prole says:

          Cocker appeared more out of his skull than I was 2hrs later. He gave me the impression of being either stoned or pissed. Inarticulate and waving his hands around, trying to string a sentence together. QT is becoming the pits.

      • 140
        Sir William Waad says:

        Osborne is another historian, i.e. he can’t do sums. He doesn’t understand tax policy any better than Darling or Brown, who don’t understand it at all. Dave has to do the reply to the Budget sppech because Osborne is too lightweight. There must be somebody better as Chancellor-in-Waiting in the Tory party.

    • 69
      caesars wife says:

      Doesnt look good really .

      Iam loosing track of how many labour mps have returned money they shouldnt have had . Gordons mighty star chamber is a charles flaccidwidge tea party

      whiffs of mandelson , but all the same its a troughing incident too far .

    • 85
      Anonymous says:

      Lets be honest we all knew he was a bit of a shite after he was on that yacht with Mandy didnt we?

      Question is will Dave sack him?

      • 90
        Anon says:

        Call me Dave hasn’t got the guts. I think it would be an excellent opportunity to replace the useless George. You know, follow up his words with actions.

        He won’t of course. It must be a really difficult decision. They’re all mendacious bastards.

    • 146
      Hoonlike Trougher says:

      Hereford numpty Bill Wiggin should certainly be in the frame for his mortgage fiddling antics. He went to school with Dave though so not much chance of him getting the push.

    • 167
      Wossat? says:

      Dave the Smug Git and his pseudo-Tories aren’t as safe as they think they are. Osborne has been caught with snout and fore-trotters in the trough. Let’s see Dave wriggle his pal out of this one. That is, if he isn’t too busy raising a banner or two with his new Gay Pride friends.

      • 248
        Under tha Radar says:

        Just watched QT, Harman Pride, pathetic, all the body language of someone lying on camera, Charles, George and the whole team, it is becoming embarrassing, if you are incapable of not voting labour, get some help (0845 4647), Speodo shorts may decide a short break in Geneva is easier with such a chronic prognosis.

    • 212
      Trevor says:

      Investigate away – but no matter how big the mortgage there is a £22(ish) grand limit on what they can claim. The house could be worth £10 million it would not make any difference.

      I would have thought most socialists would have heard of stamp duty and legal costs by the way. And 100% mortgages.

      Oh and they know about ‘flipping’ houses. Even Brown claims his ‘real’ first home as his second one for allowance purposes.

      Are you really so desperate for a headline Mr Fawkes.

    • 238
      John Smith says:

      Tessa Mills does not know that she has a mortgage and it is not something that means she cannot be a minister.
      If Osborne cannot be a minister over this matter then that is sexist and Harriet Harman will not stand for sexism.

      • 327
        Osama the Nazarene says:

        Johnny, there’s a difference between being a minister and being the minister with his hands on our tax money!

        • 434
          Infanta of Castile says:

          As minister in charge of the Olympics Mrs Mills has her hands on a hell of a lot of our tax money.
          She should go back to tinkling the ivories (in joke for the over 50s)

    • 243
      Mrs Thatcher's testicles says:

      You should really recognise that is a 0% rise in the mortgage and should be stamped even below 0%

    • 329
      freddie flintoff says:

      just string em all up

    • 447
      Anonymous says:

      131 – How isn’t his a political issue

      But the one thing it shows is that the tories are still the same morally bankrupt, thieving, untrustworthy bastards they have always been

      They will never change – cuddly dave is just a front for the bankers, conmen and low life vested interest scum that set up the party to further their own interets at he expense of everyone else

      THEY HAVEN’T AND WILL NEVER CHANGE!

      WAKE AND SMELL THE SHITE

  2. 3

    “He needs to show that his behaviour and intentions were beyond reproach.”

    Ha ha ha ha ha ha bloody ha, they are all nasty fiddling bastards.

    • 5
      Rose Tinted Speccies says:

      Come on,be fair. I know that as many as thirty are clean.

    • 6
      Find me one good man says:

      In that case Dave’s going to find it very hard to find a Chancellor. More tea vicar?

      • 39
        Angry Voter says:

        Good, perhaps Lab, Con and Lib should just fuck off and give us all a rest.

      • 97
        Sam Beansberg says:

        Maybe Dave could let Ossy go and hire an accountant instead

      • 315
        Mary Hinge says:

        It said in the paper (So It Must Be True) that Dave is going to have
        so many newbie MPs that he’s probably going to have to appoint some
        people as ministers who’ve never even been MPs before.

  3. 4
    Georgy Porgy says:

    how does Osborne justify a mortgage for more than the house actually cost?

    Was his Mortgage with the Northern Rock? Gordon’s bank was very keen to provide such loans.

    • 24
      Counsel for defence says:

      Possibly because the mortgage loan is taken out against the lender’s valuation of the property (at the valuation date) rather than the purchase price at completion date. Say you purchased a property for cash and then two years later decided to mortgage it, it is highly probable (at least until the last 18 months) that the later mortgage valuation will have exceeded the original purchase price. In Osborne’s case I believe there was a 2 year gap between the purchase of his Tatton property in 2001 for £445,000 and the mortgage loan in 2003 for £450,000. The £5,000 difference can more than be accounted for by inflation in the value of the property.

      It certainly appears as if Osborne arranged his affairs to take maximum advantage of the ACA allowances, but I cannot see how his actions breached the law or even Parliamentary rules.

      A trougher perhaps but not a criminal.

      • 26
        The Jury says:

        Thats ok then.

        • 48
          Good men and true says:

          The real jury will be the 42,000 people that vote in General Elections in the Tatton constituency. They will properly determine the acceptability (rather than the legality) of his conduct. Unfortunately the trial is not scheduled to conclude until June 2010.

        • 87
          Stalins Organ says:

          No it is not OK, but until the Rules are changed we have no options. I think we really have to move on fast and let the individual MPs constituancy decide whether they are fit and proper people. If you were judging ‘In the Spirit of the Law’ rather than the Letter, then the HoC and the House of Lords would be a wasteland.

      • 64
        Dick Scratcher says:

        Bollocks, the amount over 100% was unsecured – just like many personal loans – sod all to do with the pwoberdee

        • 71
          Anonymous says:

          pwoberdee??

        • 79
          bryan says:

          property?

        • 83
          Counsel for defence says:

          I think you missed my point. If the mortgage loan was taken out in 2003 then the value of the house would have risen from its original 2001 purchase price. Assuming 5% p.a. house price inflation the property would have been valued at around £490,000 in 2003. The £450,000 loan would therefore have been around 92% of value.

        • 221
          Dick Scratcher says:

          I understand what you mean, but in Gideon’s case I don’t believe it applies. Public domain Land Registry data will show who has a charge against the pwoberdee [property spiv talk] and for how much. Anyone know the address?

      • 101
        Tin Cunliffe-Arsely says:

        Remortgaging a house to get the most out of ACA, whether you need it or not.

        Guilty.

        • 435
          Infanta of Castile says:

          Wasn’t that what the Rev’d Blair did in relation to Myrobella – bought for c 30K and mortgage standing at c300K by the time he stood down?

      • 216
        Steve Expat says:

        He is a bit of a trougher, it indeed look slike he was arranging his affairs in order to maximise use of the allowances.

        But is he any worse than the incumbent in No.11 in this regard? I don’t think so. This is small fry compared to flipping 4 times in one year – by the way, has anyone heard from Darling recently? Since Broon failed to replace him with Balls last month, it seems to be Balls-up himself being the public face of the Treasury, he’s been talking as much about finance as educashun recently…

        • 262
          MrPeregrination says:

          But is he any worse than the incumbent in No.11 in this regard?

          But the whole point of getting rid of the thieving little shit at number 11 is to get someone BETTER not someone who is no worse. Yes, alright, he would be better even though he obviously took everything he could from the taxpayer – but then a rubber dog poo would be better so that’s not saying much.

          He needs to go. I want a government of at least vaguely competent people who don’t steal. Sadly it appears Osborne fails on both counts.

    • 125

      Ah, Northern Rock. The organisation Labour are pumping millions into to make it ready to sell.

      They’re currently taking on shed-loads of temporary staff, at great expense, with our money, to make it look like a ‘real’ company; purely so that Gordon can dump it before the election.

      • 145
        Fubar_Saunders says:

        Tesco are sniffing round it… as they’ve got their banking licence this could be their route in as a bank in their own right.

        I agree incidentally with the overall thrust; Osbourne has hardly politically adept over the last two years; He may not be a bad bloke, but for a party looking to get back into government after a 12 year hiatus, the man is, I’m afraid, a political liability.

        I also agree that Call Me Dave wont push him out. I also agree that the voting public might just see it for what it is; political expediency, rather than either side of the main parties thinking about cleaning up politics. What with the Golum having to water down his proposals already, the whole excercise is starting to look rather hollow.

        I expect it to have an impact in the next opinion poll unless CMD becomes what he hasnt been over the last two years… a decisive leader.

        God, what a frickin’ mess. Glad I’m off to Europe for a couple of years away from all this shit. Its getting worse!!!!

        • 224
          barefootcontessa says:

          Sorry to disillusion you, but ‘Europe’s worse!!! The only thing you can do is put your head in the sand, and that’s not what you want to do, is it?

      • 220
        Steve Expat says:

        They’re so desparate to get some money back in order to increase public spending by zero percent.

        The rational man says they should hold on to NR for a few years, sell it during the next boom to maximise revenue from the sale. But since when has Gordoom ever been rational?

        • 248

          You couldn’t trust Jonah to sell a bar of gold….

          The Penguin

        • 357
          Fubar_Saunders says:

          I hear ya, BFC…. I’m just sick to the back teeth of working to get my pockets picked by that bastard in No10. Its gotta be better than here…..

        • 385
          barefootcontessa says:

          Fubar, he won’t go on forever. The trouble is, are we going to get anything better? It’s up to all of us to push for a better, more democratic government.
          It won’t happen on it’s own.

  4. 8
    Alistair Darling says:

    That was a lucky escape !!!

  5. 9
    Anonymous says:

    Fuck. ‘Politically motivated’. Everything is ‘politically motivated’. That does not mean that it is not also a valid accusation.

    • 53
      Scales of Justice says:

      It is obviously “politically motivated” when the Chairman of the local Labour Party raises the complaint. Although the source and motive of the complaint devalues its independence, it doesn’t as you say invalidate it. George Osborne does have to explain why his mortgage loan exceeded the purchase price of his property. If he fails to answer this question satisfactorily, the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards will no doubt proceed with a full investigation. Let’s wait and watch.

      • 162
        Memory Man says:

        £5k on a £500k house? Probably a roll up of arrangement fees or something.

        George is entitled to have support for his second home, and mortgaged to essentially the value he bought at when its value was higher two years later.

        The unconventional aspect is the security for the loan being against a different property, but if you have sufficient equity/wealth that is hardly odd.

        Did he receive more than his due? No. Issue. No. Spiteful complaint from local politician going with ‘no smoke without fire’ and relying on the public and press to choke on moderate complexity. Yes

  6. 10
    Neil Hamilton says:

    I lend him my seat and he lets me down.
    I’m very dissapointed.

  7. 11
    The "Angry Aberdonian" says:

    Is it just me, or does anyone else think that Osborne is just “a wee bit too sweaty around the mouth”? Other famous “sweaty round the mouths” include Mark Oaten and Richard Nixon. Can anyone think of any other famous “sweaty mouthed” malfeasants?

    • 20

      Straw. Cherie Blair as well

    • 56
      Wilkinson Sword says:

      The problem may go when he starts to shave. Give the boy a chance.

    • 67
      Dick Scratcher says:

      Shirley Williams. Oh…mouth, never mind.

    • 88
      Stalins Organ says:

      Goverment benches!

    • 166
      Trough Mixture says:

      Stuart Bell.

      Damp as an end of shift Doxy’s drawers.

    • 254
      Bill "I did not have sexual relations with that woman" Clinton says:

      But what about the malfeasants that are not “sweaty mouthed” ?

    • 403
      GMTV Doctor says:

      Beads of perspiration, clammy hands, clothes that cling to your back. it’s all part of the discomfort that comes with summer. you would be worse off if you didn’t sweat though. “the sweat glands act as a thermoregulator device,” explains dermatologist dr bryan nobbay. “when sweat is produced as it evaporates off the skin surface and cools the skin.” the human body has around two million sweat glands which produce upto 3.5 litres of perspiration in a day. “excessive perspiration is a result of excessive response on the part of the sweat glands,” says dr nobbay. some individuals sweat profusely on the nose and upper lip while eating spicy food. there are others who automatically sweat in excess during activities that call for acute concentration like examinations. palmoplantahyperhydrosis or sweating around the palms and soles of the feet occurs in these people. this is also because the palms, soles and underarms have more sweat glands per mm. medical experts use the term hyperhydrosis to classify those suffering from foul body odour. the good news though is that sweating can be treated medically. “there is a treatment called iontophoresis where ions are passed through the skin layer. this is a one-hour treatment, three-four times per week which extends to about six-seven weeks. it has proved to control sweating to about 70-80 per cent in most people,” explains dr sahana, a dermatologist with the national institute of hair and skin. individuals with severe sweating problems are advised to wear loose-fitting, cotton clothes and also use an anti-perspiratory lotion. “i recommend 10 mg of toxipin hydrochloride twice a day. another option is to use a formaldehyde solution. soak the palms and sole for five minutes everyday for a week and it helps control sweating,” says dr bryan. sweating can also be controlled around the mouth, nose and forhead by applying aluminium chloride solution. and in certain cases doctors have also administered botox injections to temporarily dry up the sweat glands. and if sweaty feet are a major irritant, avoid wearing closed footwear and opt for footwear which has rivets at the side to let air in. in instances where closed shoes are compulsive then ensure that thick cotton socks are worn to absorb the perforation. and of course a cold water bath twice a day with generous use of talcum powder keeps you fresh and sweet-smelling through the summer.

  8. 12
    insert-coin-here says:

    Damaged goods before even entering office.

    Tell me again what is this ‘change’ that Cameron keeps banging on about in such a tediously Obama like way?

    In other news,while politico’s bravely struggle on in the face of public disdain for ripping off their own people,more soldiers have been killed in Afghanistan….

    • 21
      Over here underpaid and sex? you must be joking says:

      Our Boys,under equipped,under funded and unsupported hold out till Uncle Sam turns up with full kit and caboodle,to claim all the glory.Sound familiar?

      • 448
        Anonymous says:

        Uncle Sam with full kit and kaboodle? So why are the GI’s always complaining about lack of kit, inadequate kit, kit that doesn’t work and so on and so on?

    • 32
      troglodyte says:

      Is there any single one of our disgusting politicians who has had the decency to join the good people of Wotton Bassett and show some repect to our soldiers who have been killed in Afghanistan?

      • 149
        Fubar_Saunders says:

        No.

      • 225
        Steve Expat says:

        Of course not. Unfortunately.

        There are worse things that Dave could do at the moment than turn up in WB occasionally. In fact if he made sure that a shadow cabinet member was always there to show respect, he might get some respect from those who are prepared to lay down their lives for this country…

      • 342
        Anonymous says:

        There isn’t an Afghan alive worth a single drop of our boys blood. Either incinerate the place and get back in time for tea or pull out completely – leave it to the Yanks to fill up their bodybags. All this ‘hearts and minds’ codswallop is wasted on these savages.

        • 362
          Lt Ripley says:

          I say we take off and nuke the entire site from space

        • 389
          barefootcontessa says:

          Don’t be racist! It’s our country and the USA who insist on meddling in the affairs of other distant countries. Tell your incompetent combative government to stop sending spies and soldiers to foreign lands (viz Iraq) then we wouldn’t have bodies coming back in bags. The meddling is always based on commerce!

        • 427
          Anonymous says:

          so what seditious leftie

      • 449
        Anonymous says:

        It’s the responsibility of a soldiers commanding officer if he is killed. That’s why it is the commanding officer who writes to the relatives and it is the commanding officer who should be present when their bodes are repatriated.

        It never has been a role played by politicians and one that the armed forces would probably prefer they stayed out of

    • 37
      Angry Voter says:

      They are all changing the way in which they are presenting the ‘facts’, nothing more.

    • 68
      Dick Scratcher says:

      Fuck ‘change’. That’s for corporate bullshitters. We need ‘revolution’. Now.

    • 404
      Carlos Marcos says:

      I’m sure this will clear it up:

      But change, real change isn’t just about winning elections, real change is about getting ready to govern our country. Real change is about doing what our party has always done, which is to make sure we understand and reflect and meet all the challenges of the modern world, and that is what we are doing. That’s the argument I want to make today.

      We face a new world in so many different ways and the old politics is failing and change is required. New World, Old Politics failing, Change is Required. That is what we have got to be about today.

      And you know there has been quite a lot of talk of lurching and I can tell you we are not going to be lurching to the left, we are not going to be lurching to the right. We are just going to provide the good solid leadership that this country needs. We need change for the long term, hope for our country and optimism for the next generation that is what this week has been about and that’s what I am about.

      • 430
        Anonymous says:

        CODSWOLLOP. You are not advocating constructive change just glossy spin for retaining the existing leftwing orthodoxy under new management. It sounds pretty bad management too. Osborne should pay the price for his troughing and Cameron should go for a major clean up.

        Meanwhile Cameron announces at the LGA conference that local councis are to be given massive new powers (heaven help us!) and the Tory Chairman of this ludicrous Tory-run body announces that the Taxpayers Alliance knows “the cost of everything and the value of nothing.” Spend Spend Spend! More nonsense jobs! More meddling! Change my foot! It will be worse than with Labour.

        Meanwhile further, at Sir Tim Bell`s recent summer drinks party, Andrew MacKay brazenly lets it be known that Cameron would like Kirkbride to put her name forward for selection once things have “died down”, with Kirkbride brazenly nodding agreement. Even more brazenly Kirkbride was in an upmarket clothes shop in her constituency last week with mother Barbara and sister Karen, joking and boasting that ther purchases were on expenses. A customer present described the trio as ccmmon little sluts and walked out. This pair are brazen in their contempt for the public. Cameron should be pressing for a prosecution but instead has fallen for the Kirkbride spin that she is the model MP. The enormous 6,000 petition are NOT all Respect members!

        Change and good solid leadership! What a joke. It may be needed but t is not being provided or offered by the Tory Party.

  9. 13
    Nick Owen's Man Bag says:

    Why are these Tory Toff Etonians fleecing us like this?

  10. 15
    Sir Francis Walsingham says:

    Fucking trougher! Talking of the shit-muncher Oaten, would love to see his expenses, can I FOI them?

  11. 17
    gary smith says:

    lost intrest in him when provided with a hooker and free coke in his mates chelsea flat he never gave her a good rogering bring back cecil parkinson i say

  12. 18

    Guido

    Eton, Russian Oligarchs, Bullyboys Club. He’s a poof!

    New Labour will simply hand over the baton to Blue Labour and go and have a lie down for a bit. Mandelson will stay in control

  13. 19
    gary smith says:

    of course without the mad secretary

  14. 27
    Aiden o'fovit says:

    Congratulations,Guido,I had foolishly allowed my faith in your impartiality to waver over this very matter,and your previous failure to mention it.
    I STAND(humbly)CORRECTED,an excellent piece.
    It is,however, a pity that we can seem to trust the probity of no-one,even the independently wealthy. I can think of many politicians down the years whom I detested,but at least I could trust most of them with a tenner.

    • 29
      arthur says:

      Well said.

    • 128
      Matthew Parris says:

      In these convulsed times it’s good to know that my integrity is beyond reproach. I remember my houseboy in Swaziland saying ‘Master, you are an example to us all’. Seemingly trivial, this episode continues to inspire me at times when those in public life fall below my own high standards and, strangely enough, a hotel porter said the same (although in Spanish, which I had learned within 48 hours) when in was touring Bolivia. Hence this admiration extends across continents and cultures.

    • 204
      Charles Ponzi says:

      You can trust me. I could be the new shadow chancellor. After all I created the red book this year for Mr Brown. The economy will work as a pyramid selling scheme – let’s face it, it will not work any other way.

      Send £50 if you want to join. Massive returns guaranteed.

      • 353
        Alan Johnson says:

        My cheque’s in the post. Only a postal strike’s been called so it might take a time to reach you.

        • 396
          barefootcontessa says:

          One of the two greatest lies in the world, – “My cheque’s in the post”, the other one is too risque to repeat.

  15. 30
    dirtyden says:

    Why didn’t you break this story, Guido? I’m pretty suspicious about how this one has emerged. Looks like a nasty little Mandy operation to me.

    In that case, he’s looking to trigger a gang war. They’ll all be shooting each other pretty soon.

    Should be fun.

    • 172
      Rexel 56 says:

      Exactly.

      What’s interesting here are not the facts of the complaint but rather: Why now?

      I think we can take it for granted that McSnot-McBalls-McBride have a grid for between now and the election which sets out their planned attacks on key members of Cameron’s team.

      I think we can also assume that the attacks will involve expenses, second jobs and possibly 1980s lifestyle choices.

      So, was the attack on Osborne always intended to be now or has it had to be pulled forward to counter the political hits taken by McSnot over spending plans?

      I’d guess it has been pulled forward and that they would rather have kept their powder dry for a little longer.

      R56

  16. 35
    Angry Voter says:

    Completely o/t – Anyone know why Andy Hayman’s book The Terrorist Hunters has been banned?

    They can so they will? Political wankers throwing hissy fits again?

  17. 38

    Gordon Brown said:

    “The first thing we’ve got to do is to clean up politics once and for all. We’ve got to make sure that people see that their Members of Parliament and those who seek to represent them are acting in the public interest and not in their self interest.

    “We’ve got to make sure that people see that their politicians are in it not for what they can get, but for what they can give. That’s why today we promise that we will uphold the highest standards of integrity, we promise that there will be transparency in everything we do, we promise that we will report to our constituents and do so as regularly as possible. Report not only to our own party but to all sections of the community in our constituencies so they can raise their concerns with us and we can be true and honoured servants of the people of this country.

    “I believe that our pledge to clean up politics, complemented by the new Parliamentary Standards authority that Harriet Harman is introducing, complemented by the new code of conduct for MPs and complemented by the review that is now taking place of four years of previous expenses, so we deal with any abuse, we deal with any repayment, we deal with anything that has been wrong and discipline people as necessary is the first start to making sure that the politics of our country are based on these principles: that we will always act responsibly and in a fair way.”

  18. 40
    gary smith says:

    today i was warned that due to the weather conditions ie hot that going out might result in hay fever{snotty nose) and a chance of skin cancer.this heatwave we have been going through (three days) will be over on monday. as a person who lived through the terrible plague like times of the seventies and somehow came through it is it a ploy to keep us off balanced and docile discuss

    • 47
      Angry Voter says:

      Nothing to discuss, merely more hype and bollocks from the wankers who can.

    • 121
      Ramsbottom says:

      Eeeee when I were a lad we dint have skin cancer. When sun came out we just rolled up our trousers and went paddlin in t’canal till we turned orange. The next day our skin would flake off like prawn crackers and the parlour looked like the North Pole. Aye it did.

      Melanoma? It were summat that covered the kitchen tops.

      • 436
        Fiery Fred says:

        You didn’t get melanoma because you were down t’pit where the sun doesn’t shine. You got pneumoconiosis instead

  19. 43
    hawk says:

    He’s the weak link in a not-especially-strong leadership. Apparently Cameron is too blind to see it, which is worrying… This would have been a very convenient way to ditch him, and gain Integrity Points™ in the process.

    • 49
      Anon says:

      Cameron is a useless poodle.

      • 54
        sick as shit says:

        Osborne is no worse than Cameron. Interest free loan to buy des res.
        Just like 645 other fuckers.Some have been more careful in complying within the rules,but it boils down to the same corruption.

      • 63
        Dick Scratcher says:

        Yeah, can you stop him cocking his leg on the despatch box.

  20. 45

    How is your child, I hope it isn’t swine flu?

    • 51
      Anon says:

      If it is can I visit please? I’d rather have the flu now while the weather is good rather than during a god awful shitty autumn / winter week.

      Thanks!

  21. 46
    Labour's client statist, a feckless ruffian troglodyte, with a bad hip says:

    I demand to know the opinion of mortgage fraudster Lord Sodomite immediately, if not sooner

  22. 55
    Anon says:

    Glad to see the famous rocking horse has made it into ‘print’ over at CiF.

  23. 59
    Annie Consexual says:

    George Osborne, as well as Dave Cameron, are both soooooo handsome.
    I fancy them both!

    Gorgeous George and Dreamboat Dave are so much better looking than Alien Alistair Darling and Gloomy Gordon Brown who I think are both so ugly it must physically hurt them to look in the mirror when they shave.

    George
    I’m your biggest fan
    I’ll follow you until you love me
    Papa-paparazzi
    George there’s no other superstar
    You know that I’ll be your
    Papa-paparazzi

    Promise I’ll be kind
    But I won’t stop until that boy is mine
    George you’ll be famous
    Chase you down until you love me
    Papa-paparazzi

  24. 60
    Dick Scratcher says:

    Good piece GF. The Tories seem to believe that there is no competence beyond independently educated toffs & teenage nerds.

    If that stupid tosser David Davies had either 1. not allowed himself to be assigned as the candidate of the right or 2. put together a decent leadership campaign / speech, the Tories would not have this problem. Public dislike of Cameron and his silver spoon background has not gone away, especially in the north.

    Cameron needs to address this issue for electoral & meritocratic reasons asap. Grandees out. Talent in.

    • 65
      When all this nonsense over MP's expenses is over... says:

      Yea right. Meritocratic MP’s on the Tory benches are brown nosing, shallow, weak, impressionable thickos.

      Hardly a Mrs T line up of ’79.

      There’s no raw talent. No real experience. The Tory stitch up of the past decade will cost them dear.

      The whole of Parliament is a joke.

      My great grandfather was an MP in 1893. He may not have lasted more than 4 years but he achieved more in his lifetime than any one of these individuals in 3 generations.

      Thieving lying bastards the lot of them.

      • 272

        Your great granfather only lasted four years? His parents must have been very upset, but I believe I read somewhere that there was a lot of infant mortality around. And maybe they were young enough to knock out a few more to replace their sad loss.

        Good to know he was a high achiever, given such a short life.

        The Penguin

    • 89
      Stalins Organ says:

      Just wait until after the Election, the Real party will emerge!

  25. 72
    Labour porn is good for you says:

    Another one

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5726585/Scotland-Yard-quiz-peer-over-expenses-claim.html

    Scotland Yard quiz peer over expenses claim
    Scotland Yard is investigating Lord Hanningfield, a Conservative peer, who claimed £100,000 over seven years for staying in London despite living just 46 miles from the capital, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.

    • 73
      Biffo says:

      Any news on when Scotland Yard will be quizzing Labour peers & MPs?

      • 77
        summer_breeze says:

        A bit o/t, well a lot really but does anyone know the guy that has announced that he is prepared to stand against Bercow in the G.E.?
        Is there any way we can send him our moral support?

        • 261
          Agent 99 says:

          I saw the posted statement on another website. He said if no one better than him came forward then he ‘formally gives notice he stand himself’

          I think it was either on Sky news web or the Telegraph. sorry cant remember the guys name.

        • 412
          summer_breeze says:

          Hi Agent 99,
          I’ve seen two but not sure whether it was the same guy giving notice of his intention to stand in two seperate places, or whether it was two seperate guys.
          Anyway good luck to him/them. I really hope that they go forward with their plan and beat bercow to a pulp at the ballot box.

  26. 78
    Ed Balls says:

    So weak

  27. 82
    anon126 says:

    I don’t know if Osborne has done anything wrong. However as I keep saying in my blog, I don’t care what party they come from, or who they are, wrongdoers should be brought to justice and punished like everyone else would be. I find it stupid that labour allowed him to claim a political motive for their attack by using a labour official…that is stupid on their part.

    if he’s guilty prosecute, and Darling and every other minister, or shadow minister who has done wrong.

  28. 84
    Anonymous says:

    If you read The Times article from June then it appears that:

    Osborne borrowed an additional £470k on a mortgage against his London property in 2000.

    He then used this to purchase his Tatton constituency home for £445k. However when you add in stamp duty, legal fee’s, moving costs then his total purchase costs would be around £460-465K.

    In 2003 he mortgages his Tatton home for £450 K. Over this period average house prices rose by a considerable amount (Oct 2000 to Oct 2003 by circa 50%) and so his Tatton home may have been worth in excess of £600 k by his time. This would mean a mortgage loan to value of 75%.

    • 104

      The point is he didn’t pay that for it, so why was the taxpayer financing a larger amount than was actually required to buy the property.

      • 112
        resurgemus says:

        how’s the daughter ?

      • 141
        Doctor Mick says:

        Generally it is easier to remortgage an existing property than go through the palaver of getting a new property mortgaged. If his London home had enough equity then why not, unless the mortgage was taken out at daddy’s bank?

        When you add in furniture the cost of this home in its entirety could easily add up to £470K. No doubt it’s “within the rules” but why the taxpayer should be financing this kind of extravagance I do not know.

        When I work away from home it’s B&B or some poxy flat for me.

      • 231
        Moley says:

        Go back to Tony Blair who bought a house in his constituency for £30,000 and remortgaged it for £100,000 + which he then claimed on expenses, to fund the purchase of a multimillion pound flat in London. (Can somebody provide accurate figures)

        INVESTIGATE EVERYBODY OR NOBODY.

        It is an abuse of the legal system for Labour to instruct the authorities to ignore the crooked dealings of their own ex PM and then try and focus attention on a member of the Shadow Cabinet.

        Zimbabwe politics again.

        • 246
          Doctor Mick says:

          Sedgefield is a shi­thole. If you couldn’t find a whole street up there for six figures let alone a single dwelling.

          Blair’s expenses would have made very interesting reading but we’ll never see them.

        • 268
          Al Capone says:

          nu labour —untouchable

          everyone else touchable

      • 356
        Counsel for defence says:

        The Parliamentary Expenses “Green Book” allows all but ‘inner london’ MPs to claim rent or mortgage interest on a designated second home. Where mortgage interest is claimed it allows, in addition to mortgage interest on the purchase cost of the property, “increase to mortgage costs (interest only) to pay for refurbishments; to extend the lease; or to purchase the freehold”. For MPs either renting or buying it further allows “legal and other costs associated with obtaining (and selling) (for example, stamp duty, removal expenses, valuation fees)”.

        Even if we set aside the increase in value of the Tatton property from 2001 when Osborne bought in cash to 2003 when he mortgaged, the additional £5,000 could more than be justified by these associated costs.

        As other posters have pointed out, the ACA second property claims are subject to an annual cap which was £23, 083 for the 2007-8 financial year. 5% interest on a £450,000 loan is £22,500, right at the limit of the allowance. Having financed the purchase of the Tatton property by remortgaging his London property, it made sense under the Green Book rules for Osborne to ‘transfer the loan’ to the Tatton property, which could then be redesignated as his second home for ACA purposes.

        Osborne may have arranged his affairs to fit the allowances system. This may be regarded by many as troughing but I haven’t seen anything yet which could be classed as illegal or improper.

        The Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards does have a duty to weed out “frivolous and vexatious” claims so his decision to proceed to a preliminary inquiry means that there must be something in the allegations that requires an answer. Can anyone shed any further light?

      • 392
        barefootcontessa says:

        What the hell have you got against George Osborne? The fact that he had a better education than you, the fact he has at least two beautiful houses, is it pure and simple jealousy, or is there another problem about Osborne that you haven’t told us about? He’s obviously cheated the system, but no more than many others. I don’t get it.

        • 393
          barefootcontessa says:

          This one to Guido.

        • 421
          English Viking says:

          What I have against Osbourne is not that he comes from a rich family, had the best education available anywhere in the world, is fantastically wealthy and has never done a day of real work in his life, it is that in spite of all these privileges and good fortune he is STILL an expense-fiddling, coke-snorting, whore-mongering liar.

    • 161
      Sir William Waad says:

      Well, 450 is less than 465 so, with great respect to our esteemed host, I don’t think that’s the point. The point is whether the Tatton property really is his second home. He couldn’t claim for mortgage loan interest on his London property because he’s already bought that, so he claimed that the Tatton property was his second home in order to claim back the interest on it. He also maximised the interest by acquiring the Tatton property entirely with borrowings, perhaps unncessarily. The fact that the loan was initially secured on his London property is, however, also irrelevant.

      Given that Osborne was born and brought up in London, went to school near Slough and was parachuted into the Tatton constituency, it is credible that Tatton really is his second home. I find him ‘not guilty’.

      • 437
        Infanta of Castile says:

        I think he went to school in Barnes and, to be fair, the standards at St Paul’s make it very unlikely that he is as useless at maths as our former chancellor and fellow historian

  29. 86
    Anon says:

    Is Mrs Osborne a ‘beard’?

  30. 91
    Eric says:

    Virtually all MP’s were `at it` with regard to expenses … Osborne is no different. Period.

    Having said that, Osborne comes over to me, when I see him on BBC Parliament, as a smug, big-headed, oily twat. Funnily enough, he reminds me of a slim-line version of Nigel Lawson …… makes me want to puke.

    The boy Dave needs to ditch this c`unt ASAP.

  31. 92
    Why has Andy Hayman’s book The Terrorist Hunters has been banned? says:

    Just asking like…

    http://timesonline.typepad.com/crime/2009/07/why-has-andy-haymans-book-been-banned.html

    • 93
      Correction says:

      Fuck it – “Why has Andy Hayman’s book The Terrorist Hunters been banned?”

      (Long shitty night at work)

  32. 94
    RobC says:

    Osbourne criticizes Brown for refusing to let him see the figures – a couple of days later Osbourne becomes a target – coincidence? no fuxxxxx chance.
    I am surprised that Guido is peddling McBride’s latest “lets smear a tory today” theme.
    If you want to shovel shxx Darling’s serial flipping make george look like an amateur.

    • 275
      Agent 99 says:

      Correct and thought this myself. Also lack of policies are being thrown at the Tories but with the lack of information coming out of the last 12 months plus what is obviously no a scorched earth policy now underway to make the incoming party’s job as difficult as possible what can the opposition do.

      They can do precisely what they said.
      When in office have a complete and full appraisal of the entire government accounts and publish them rapidly. That way people will always know who to blame and it will not be a re-run of the last time where Labour screwed it all up as they always do and then blame the Tories for all the fallout and tough decisions that McTwat cannot admit to and openly now lies to cover up.

    • 394
      barefootcontessa says:

      Agree.

  33. 95
    Lizzie says:

    Makes it easy for Cameron to give Osborne the “heave ho” and bring in Ken Clarke as chancellor. To pinch the old Nulabour song…..”things can only get better when your gone”.

    • 113
      robert peston's speech therapist says:

      The only problem with that is the European elephant that would walk in the room with blokey Ken.

  34. 96
    Michael White's Mother says:

    This is an easy one! its the purchase price plus Gordon’s stamp duty, legal costs and perhaps a few bob to tart up the place added to the purchase price. = very simple to work out.

    • 438
      Infanta of Castile says:

      at 3% , my back of the envelope calculation is that the stamp duty on £445K would be £13,350

  35. 100
    ron Vibentrop says:

    Was Osborne Cameron’s fag at Eton? What a comedy act. Cameron is right in one thing, there will be riots before next summer.

  36. 103

    Considering how wealthy his family are Im surprised he has to take out a whopping great mortgage. Just shows you that he can’t save money What kind of Chancellor will he be?

    They are all upto their necks in pigswill. It would do them the world of good to be voted out at the next election. Then they would have to get a real job.

  37. 105
    Cato Street Conspirator says:

    Cameron will have to let him go, if only to keep the moral high ground against the Brown-job.

  38. 106
    P1 says:

    Many others did worse. Blair had a massive mortgage on Sedgefield and use it to fund Marylebone.

    Osbourne is a lightweight though – not an impressive figure at all. No probs if he goes.

  39. 107
    nell says:

    I wish we could have Ken Clarke as Shadow Chancellor.

    Morning Folks.

    • 129
      John Redwood says:

      I am waiting for the phone call from David Cameron when he dumps George Osborne.
      I hope I don’t have too long to wait

    • 144
      Anonymous says:

      I agree, but only after the conservatives are in government.

  40. 108
    Hugh Janus says:

    This is a story that DC could really do without, and frankly it begins to look as though Osborne’s position is untenable. Much better to remove him now, before the opposition wins the GE decisively and this rather strange individual becomes chancellor.

    I was struck this morning by the story that a woman who listed her mother’s house as home, in order to get her daughter into a better school, will not after all be prosecuted. So the idea of hauling her before the courts was clearly pursued.

    Contrast this with the utter bullshit from our ex-Home Secretary, who tried to convince us all (with spectacular lack of success) that her sister’s home was her main home so that she could claim many thousands of pounds from you and me for the small shack where she, her children and her porn-viewing husband actually lived. There was never any suggestion of any police investigation with a view to prosecution in those circumstances.

    I do not condone lying in any form, but the state’s response to these two situations could not have been more different. A classic case of double standards if ever there was one. It makes my blood boil.

    • 111
      Vote vote vote for Jacqui says:

      How the once Mighty Jackboot Jacqui has tumbled.

      Not tumbled down enough for me. Her prosecution for Deception would
      have been a fomality on production of the Police Protection team
      log sheets.

      • 168
        Trough Mixture says:

        It’s all become a bit of a vortex of confusion.

        What DID happen to those documents? Were they subject to Official Convenience Act non-disclosure? Lost? Shredded or what? Someone pleases remind me.

    • 115
      Lola says:

      It’s the Sovietisation of Britain. Instead of earning simply the money to be able to pay the fair price for something you have to play the system. Use ‘who you know’. Join the party. Bribe the bureauctrat. Create arcane Kafkaesque logic to make black equal white. (No, it’s not your child, it’s you aunts daughters child).

  41. 110
    hoof-hearted says:

    If, after an investigation, Osborne is found to have broken the rules, he should be sacked. No question about it. The same goes for any MP of any party. We must make examples of these thieves.

  42. 114

    “how does Osborne justify a mortgage for more than the house actually cost?”

    Redecoration. Have you seen the per-roll price of that Osborne & Little paper?

  43. 116
    resurgemus says:

    Is it just me, or is anyone else getting fed up with moaning lefties trying to drag the Royal Family into the expenses\value for money argument as distraction for their own excesses ?

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/frank_skinner/article6626288.ece

    Man on the breadline Frank Skinner drones on about the Queen

    • 377
      summer_breeze says:

      Her Maj and gang = 41 million per annum
      EU membership = 40 million per day.

      I know which one I think is better value for money and brings a better return for this country.

  44. 118
    Eileen Critchley says:

    Dodgy Russians and now this!

    Would Dave do it? No, they’ll ride it out.

    Surely Labour see a fantastic opportunity here.

    Split tweedle dum and tweedle dee, dump Gordon – now that would would put the cat amongst the pigeons.

  45. 120
    Raving Loon says:

    The Tories are big dripping wet social democrats and socialists like Labour and the Lib Dems. I’m not expecting much from them really.

    • 318
      Tin Cunliffe-Arsely says:

      Are you sure you’re a raving loon?

      I suppose even the craziest people hit the nail right on the head sometimes

  46. 122
    olded says:

    Wake up numpties, Osborn is bullet proof, camoron cant sack him, Osborn is penciled in as the next Tory leader, he’s a Bilderburger, one of the chosen, as was B’liar, as is Mcbroon.

    olded

    • 127
      Bilderberg club says:

      Shhhhh!
      Not allowed to mention the masters/elite (bilderbergs) we not suppose to know about them pricks.
      don’t be going for any long lonely countryside walks

    • 151
      Longshanks says:

      I think you’ll find that after breaking the confidence of Rothschild last year that Osbourne is finished – why do you think this shit is floating to the surface again. He was in the club, then he broke the rules and is now beginning to suffer the fall out

    • 170
      Trough Mixture says:

      The Bildeberg Group cannot be that enlightened if they tolerate McTwat as a member. They’d need to cover all the furniture for a start. The stuff in the places they use as venues is worth a fortune.

      • 288

        And now it’s smeared with scotch snot.

        The Penguin

      • 365
        jfk says:

        He’s not a member, he does their bidding, look at the money he pumped into the banks – with no strings attached.

        Members benefit, he has only suffered and he knows not to refuse the banks or suffer the consequences, like me and my mate Abe did.

    • 423
      Phil O'Stein says:

      And The prince of darkness I believe

  47. 123
    Lissssten to Meeeee says:

    Guilty. There is no need for a debate, any friend or ex friend of Mandelson is certain to be serpentine. Why waste court time debating the obvious?

  48. 124
    excellentcatblogger says:

    Presumably this Commission has to first investigate Tony McNulty and the Jacqui Smith. I cannot really see the political parties pressurising the commission to hurry up, can you? Is alacrity a word you would associate with these people?

    Maybe Guido should light a fuse!

  49. 126
    Chinless Wonder says:

    Dave has sacked a whole shedload of Tory MPs for far less. They weren’t his social Liberal friends mind.

  50. 132
    finger of fudge says:

    It will stink in Becketts caravan in this weather, I bet the jelly will have melted in the picnic size pork pies

    • 152

      The Cathedral City cheddar will be sweating nicely too, although the Cherryade will remain as bright red and sweetly refreshing as always.

      • 175
        Blairlusconi says:

        I go to see my good friend Antonio. He wants to be the big boss of Europe.

        Antonio he say I need your vote. I say, hey I got to keep the Germans happy. Antonio he gets out the whisky and says he can be very persusive. He gets out more whisky, we drink, I go the bed thinking – ok maybe.

        Next morning I wake up – there’s a horse’s head in the bed – just like Sicilia.

        I run out of the room screaming. Antonio he come up to me and say what’s wrong? I tell him and he burst out laughing.

        What’s so funny I say

        He say – It’s worse than you think, you just shag Margreta Beckett.

        Ciao

      • 178
        Trough Mixture says:

        Ah, but think of the joy that’s to be had when the air cools in the evening when the first of several ‘Varmint baked in Clay’ is plucked from the embers and the smell of combusted insulation assails the air as the men burn off the copper cable and spit and dance…..

        • 187
          Big Eric says:

          does anyone have accurate information regarding the amount of time it take to wear the pattern off lino with a pair of carpet slippers?

        • 206
          Bricktop says:

          I fuckin’ hate pikies.

        • 210
          SPAR Sausage Patties wrapped in Bacon with Apple & Watercress Salad says:

          …… Leo again is disappointed as Margaret dismissed his weekly request for gala pie, Margaret opting for the Spar Treat Yourself Ardennes Pate due to the dual use nature of the robust packaging….

        • 308
          "When all this nonsense over MP's expenses is over" says:

          i assure you I detest Pikeys more than you.

      • 298
        Unsworth says:

        Actually I think it’s Tizer – but it may have gone orff a bit. Like hubby.

    • 293

      Yes, but the hanging baskets provide a profusion of colour.

      The Penguin

  51. 133
    Taxfodder says:

    I am no lover of MP’s they have totally proved themselves to be “on the take” a laughing stock!

    I remember this Osbourn turd, he the one that rushed to Nannygate Spelman’s defence when she was found out to have been fiddling.

    If I make a mistake I get sacked, fined or locked up, if these MP crooks make a mistake they generously pay back a fraction of what they have fiddled over the years and carry on as normal.

    So DC where is your purge on MP sleaze in the Tory party now?

    Its you own fault Dave you knew he was bent from the start!

    It was the labour party; it was all in the rules…it was the wrong kind of sleaze….

  52. 134
    Swiss Bob says:

    Here’s Ch4 News report on Osborne: Osborne faces expenses investigation.

    If you didn’t see Question Time last night watch the first clip of I recorded (the one at the top of the post) and see Harman ‘fighting’ with David Laws MO of the budget red book. I think it’s a classic:

    QT July 2nd – Harman ‘fights’ with Laws.

    • 171
      Fubar_Saunders says:

      I never thought I’d say this, because normally, I have no time for Harman, but on QT, she really looked as if she’d had enough and was just going through the motions. I’m kinda surprised. I thought she was far more on message than this….

      Just goes to show how bad its got inside that cabinet, if even Harriet has had the fight sapped out of her. She looked like she was drowning; a case of “yeah, I know the games up, but… ah, fuck it, I dont care anymore..”

      • 223
        Master Baiter says:

        She’d travelled up to cambridge by train and it evidently wasn’t air conditioned. She mentioned it on the programme.

        • 301
          Fubar_Saunders says:

          A Cabinet Minister travel by train?

          With the proles?

          Without a camera crew to say “Do you always tell the truth??”

          Yeah, right….. do me a favour. I can just see Harriet queueing with the rest of the stinking unwashed commuters at Kings Cross going to Cambridge…. NOT.

          Harriet knows the ship is sinking and the Golem has locked her in the wheelhouse. NL are doomed and she knows it. She was going through the motions.

        • 313

          Good, let the bitch sweat with the proles for a change.

          The Penguin

        • 319
          Master Baiter says:

          Poo Bear,
          It was quite hot and humid yesterday, perhaps not on your planet.

        • 380
          Putin says:

          Excellent,she will have no doubt enjoyed the world class transport services which 12 years of investment have given us…….not

      • 252
        Doctor Mick says:

        Even Jarvis Cockroach was more incisive.

      • 355
        Budgie says:

        Oh dear, sob, sob, I’m now on my second hanky I’ve cried so much. You mean dear Harriet actually had to experience the same conditions as the rest of us? Oh the shame, oh the nemesis of it.

      • 429
        barefootcontessa says:

        Probably because she’ll soon be in the ‘Ladies’, and she’ll be off on her hols v soon, and she won v mandleson re the post office partial privatisation.

  53. 135
    RatBoy says:

    Anyone see Question Time last night?

    Jarvis Tosser was a complete waste of space and didn’t appear to know what the fucking programme was about. Everytime the spotlight was on him for comment he just looked speechless like his Mum had caught him wanking under the bedsheets!

    School Headmistress Harriet Hatemen treated Dimbleby like a friggin puppet and used him throughout the show to frustrate IDS.

    And why was Peter Hitchens was so fucking grumpy?

    • 142
      God says:

      It was a very poor show last night – a dumbed-down panel and a very weak selection of questions. As for the audience – they just clapped everyone, even Harman, who incessantly spouted party dogma!! They must have been chosen by imposing a maximum IQ limit

      • 143
        Harriet Harman says:

        Did I ever say that I do not want to be Prime Minister?

        • 241
          Master Baiter says:

          Ian Dunkin’ Smith was hysterically funny to watch.
          He wasn’t funny per se it was just funny to watch such an oaf.
          His classic word was “breeding”, what a typical dimwitted Conservitude, out dimmed only by “I have to get to work at a set time” Eric Pickles with everything.

      • 154
        Longshanks says:

        QT is the prime example of managed free speech on the bbc.

      • 332
        Rat Boy says:

        The audience clapping was really wierd in that it was totally non-partisan. You were left with the feeling that old Harriet was part of a very popular Government????

        • 374
          MI6 says:

          They’ve always been a bunch of lefty traitorous Hunts in Cambridge though. Burgess, Philby, Maclean, Blunt…. all fucking Cambridge commie bastards

    • 164
      Infamy, they've all got it in for me says:

      Isn’t his mother a Tory concillor?

    • 183
      Fubar_Saunders says:

      Have to admit, I was particularly disappointed with Jarvis; this is the man who wrote a song called “Cnuts are still running the world”… I’d have thought he’d have had a bit more to say for himself.

      Then again, most of the time he lives in Paris, so he probably finds it difficult to give a feck.

      Harman tried the dogma, but it fell on deaf ears and it seemed to me that she’d given up. Given that prior to the episode she was due to appear on, there was a low, pantomime hiss from the audience which even caught Dimbebum by surprise, I thought she’d have been her old self… not this time. She knows the game is up, its just a matter of time. The old Harriet would have fought like a cornered feral cat, regardless, in that irritating schoolmarmy “I know much better than you, Prole scum, shut up and listen” way that I fecking despise… Last night, she didnt appear to give a toss. I’m surprised.

      Hitchens, in fairness, I didnt think did too badly, for a change. He seemed pissed off with all of them and not afraid to show it, which in my book is fair enough. I dont normally subscribe to the Mail’s political viewpoint, but out of all of those present, he seemed to articulate the frustration with the whole rotten system better. Thought IDS was getting a bit uppity as well. Makes a pleasant change.

      • 257
        Moley says:

        I think that the Cabinet know something that we don’t about the state of the Country’s finances.

    • 432
      barefootcontessa says:

      Except on one point, I thought Hitchens was great, and he was angry wasn’t he? Did you look at harriett’s face when Jarvis was talking, she looked as if she had a bad smell under her nose. I didn’t like the way she nudged Dimbleby at one point as if they were in collusion.

  54. 138
    Sir William Waad says:

    That wife of his, Sharon Osborne, is a bit too brassy for my taste. I bet she had a hand in this.

    • 153

      This is an important point – the clan has breadth and depth. I bet if Ozzy turned up at No. 11 post-election no-one would notice the difference.

      • 189
        Spiral Architect says:

        I’m the Prince o’ fuckin’ Darkness and I commend this bollocks to the house.

    • 180
      Master of the Hunt says:

      Absolutely, old chap. Can’t see what the feller saw in her. She must be a real little goer in the bedchamber, only possible explaination. The good people of Knutsford would have her banned from every shop and black-balled from the W.I. before you could say “Cheshire Life”. All the breedin’ of a farmyard mongrel.

      Have to sack this damn butler. Perisher’s forgotten to iron the Telegraph again.

  55. 139
    God says:

    Cameron does need to have another look at who will be best for the post of chancellor after the election. There is no doubt that the man for the job is Ken Clarke – a man of real stature who was certainly by far the best chancellor that Briitain ever had when he did the job before and that gives him a running start by comparison with everyone else. Osborne is not a fool though – he just lacks experience and stature by comparison with Ken and he can sometimes come across as a bit gauche. So, my decree is that Ken Clarke should be chancellor, with Osborne understudying him for a few years. However, there can be no doubt that I could pluck almost anyone off the street, put them into number 11 Downing Street and they could not fail to do a better job as chancellor than either Brown of Darling! I HAVE SPOKEN, LET IT BE SO.

    • 148
      Anonymous says:

      Common rumour swilling about the hacks watering holes that Osborne will be Cameron’s Chief of Staff operating from Downing Street after the GE(denied by Dave) so you may be right about Osborne not actually being Chancellor post election but the smart money is on Philip Hammond not Ken Clarke !!

    • 156
      Greychatter. says:

      Don’t let’s get diverted by a policially motivated smoke screen.

      Wht happened to Gordon Browns’s Home near Westminster, apparently bought via Geoffrey Robinson below market value – which had been owned by Robert Maxwell and now worth £700,000 and transfered to his wife.

      What happened to the Ed Balls and Yvette Cooper expenses claims?

      Don’t forget Tony Blair’s £3.6 million mortgage. Who paid the interest on that?

      Let us keep these other issues boiling as well.

      • 163
        God says:

        I am all-seeing and I do not forget! The expenses of said hoons will remain foremost in the minds of my people, but it is important also to look forward and get Ken Clarke into No 11 after the election. I HAVE SPOKEN

        • 217
          Fed up with god says:

          I always thought you didn’t exist and now I know you do you turn out to be a raving fuckwit.

          Let Clarke anywhere near the exchequer nad we will be in the Euro before Cameron can say Osbourne’s my mate.

          Let Clarke fuck off and retire somewhere where he can’t harm anyone

        • 250

          Fed, if he didn’t exist we’d have to invent him. He makes more sense than his personal creation, Galloway, which is a great blessing.

      • 188
        Fubar_Saunders says:

        I figured that cnut Robinson woud have had something to do with it…. cant someone shoot the fecker?

        What did the constituents of Coventry NE ever do to deserve that bastard??

      • 360
        streamfisher says:

        Got to hand it to Tone, his final act before leaving Rome to burn, shred all the evidence and then charge to the Taxpayer, now that’s almost Class!.

    • 358
      Budgie says:

      Clarke was not a good Chancellor. He was (is) idle, self opinionated, arrogant and ill-informed. He took over from Lamont who, having had the fright of his life because of the ERM debacle (which was supported by Labour and Lib Dems), trod the economic straight and narrow for a couple of years handing over a sound economy to Clarke. Wily Ken then just took the credit for it. Afterwards Brown just took the credit … and kept on taking the credit.

  56. 150
    righty right wing (Mrs) says:

    They are all at it.

    The Lib / Lab / Con monopoly on Westminster must be broken.

    We need to flood Parliament with a plethora of independents – no matter how unsavoury.

  57. 157
    Harriet Harman says:

    Hey Guido – If you think that Osborne’s expenses are “fishy”, you should have a sniff at my tights after a foreplay session with Prezzer on the back seat of one of the Jaguars – phew! By the way, I might have said before that I do not want to be Prime Minister.

    • 160
      Tin Cunliffe-Arsely says:

      Draper was right.

      • 179
        Harriet Harman says:

        By the way, I did wash them afterwards. I wear a clean pair every day you know.

        • 190
          Harriet Harman says:

          By the way Johnny, I am available tonight if you can work up theffort to fill me in again (clean tights, I promise!)

        • 256

          When your toes curl up can we assume Prezza is having a go without showing you the courtesy of removing your pantyhose first?

  58. 159

    I am shocked at the fact that so many people are shocked by this.

  59. 165
    Infamy, they've all got it in for me says:

    Osbourne out, Clark in, asap

    • 176
      God says:

      I HAVE SPOKEN – LET IT BE SO!

      • 205
        Tin Cunliffe-Arsely says:

        Yeah right. Omnipotent my arse.

      • 232
        Dick Scratcher says:

        G, are you an anthropomorphic being or existential deity? And can you sort the weather next week when I’m on holiday. Thx

        • 445
          God says:

          I don’t “do” weather – I’m FAR too important for such trivialities. Bring Clarke into the Treasury if you want this little country to survive as anything more than a blip on the edge of Europe. This may not be what you guys want to hear, but you know that I am right (I’m always right!)

  60. 177
    Don't bother says:

    There can only be ONE Friday photo caption from Guido today – page 6 of the Daily Telegraph – the fraudster brown on his knees with a toddler …. Horrific and disgusting.
    So with much presumption,my caption is;
    “don’t bother growing up little boy – you won’t be able to afford to…..”

  61. 184
    It's all Balls says:

    The Labour MP who has ‘politicised’ the expenses row by naming Osborne is a complete twonk. I imagine he is currently in Mandy’s office having a darn good thrashing.

    If Osborne is guilty as charged, he has to go, but watch for the floodgates opening as Mr Tit accuses Mrs Tat of expenses misdemeanours.

    • 195
      God says:

      I think that you got the names wrong – it should be “Mr Twit and Mrs Twat” aka Gordon and Harriet!

  62. 191
    Soapy Balls says:

    Looking round the blogs this morning it would seem most are on to Mandys rush of blood. Timing dear boy, timing.

    An interesting by product is that Lord M might just have learnt how to yank Guidos chain. Sir Mick will have slight smile on his face today

  63. 193
    NBeale says:

    According to the BBC; Osborne “had always made it clear that his Cheshire property was his second home since he was first elected in 2001…he …told the Commons authorities in 2001 that he had just increased his interest only mortgage on his London home to cover the cost of purchasing his Cheshire property – and was advised to claim against that until he could change the arrangements without incurring penalty fees. ” This seems fair enough – what’s the problem?

  64. 196
    The Ponderosa says:

    Osbourne is lightweight, he always looks a bit repressed.

    I think his commons performace would be enhanced if he wore a a Hi-Viz jacket and some safety boots

  65. 199
    JMT says:

    O/T

    What about this autistic guy that the halfwits are blithely going to send to a Yank jail?

    Is it just me or do our politicians consider him a more dangerous character than the Gitmo bay inmates who they all fell over themselves to bring to the UK to live on benefits? Or the dope dealers they try to get out of jails across the world when they start crying?

    Perhaps his biggest crime is that he did not pick up an AK47 and start shooting our soldiers or Yank ones?

    Anyone would think that the troughing scum, busy pandering to minorities in advance of a general election, do not see a disabled man with the mind of achild as a vote winner.

    • 269

      He is hideously white, and therefore, like an airport searchee, a sacrifice in the name of balance.

      • 292
        Unsworth says:

        Amen to that. Maybe he could declare himself a gay, closet darkie?

      • 398
        Scales of Justice says:

        I rather fear this whole thread is a sacrifice in the name of balance. Guido , you should not have taken the Shite’s taunts to heart.

  66. 200
    Master Baiter says:

    This should run well, keep him spinning on the end of the wire through until the autumn.
    Do you think Osborne will be sunning it in the Mediterranean at the expense of one of his patrons this summer break?
    Despite your pathetic huffing and puffing an investigation of Alistair Darling has been turned down, of course.
    The electorate are coming to the view that the ones with the maxed out mortgages are the worst, which means Osborne, Cameron and Clegg. Especially because to begin with they are each so wealthy. You know from the same tribe of greasy stains that have wrecked the country with ‘financial engineering’ (read pilfering).

    • 211
      resurgemus says:

      Didn’t Mandy have a big mortgage courtesy of Geoffrey ?

      Tony’s is £3.6 million.

      • 346
        Peter Mad Nelson says:

        Didn’t one former Labour MP have a house which he bought on a false mortgage application which if anyone else had been found to do it they would be in jail. Or gaol if you prefer.

    • 218
      righty right wing (Mrs) says:

      Shameless – yet funny to watch you spin from a position of zero morality.

      The difference between the right wing & the left wing in this country is now clear – you defend the so called leftists like Kaufman who think nothing of charging us £8,400 for a TV where as the right wing find Osbournes troughing just as Obscene.

      This is a corruption issue – not a left wing right wing scrap. ALL taxpayers (which i somehow doubt you are or have ever been) should be united in condemning the lot of them.

      But you & your ilk & your insipidi nonsensical Labour tribalism cannot & will not accept that the left have done anything wrong.

      Hypocrit.

      You are dismissed.

      • 227
        Master Baiter says:

        Huff and puff

        Tennis court
        Swimming pool
        Swimming pool
        Swimming pool
        Helipad
        Moat
        One man sent one man to mow, sent him to mow his meadow.

        • 236
          Anonymous says:

          Why not mention all the flipping that Labour have done MB including the chancellor and others in the cabinet? Then we get to the Lords and taking money for legislation and then fiddling expenses so they are under investigation. Ah but of course this does not fit your minute little microscopic world that you seem to live in.
          Baiter your a fucking moron just fuck off.

        • 276
          Anonymous says:

          You’re wisterical,

          geddit?

        • 303
          Tin Cunliffe-Arsely says:

          What about paying a full time student as an employee?

          ie you

        • 341
          no longer anonymous says:

          MB never attacks his own side ever. This of course is done to wind up Tories, hence the name “Baiter”.

    • 237
      Doctor Mick says:

      The electorate are coming to the view that the ones with the maxed out mortgages are the worst,

      Bollocks, where did you get this tripe? Your daily orders bulletin from Labourlost no doubt.

      You paid lickspittle minions are falling into the trap of believing your own lies.

      Simple answer is to let the electorate express their views in a General Election. But we all know the answer to that one.

      • 255
        resurgemus says:

        DM

        I’ve found this week interesting as when the argument moves to economics MB doesn’t know what to say ( apart from spend more ) and has been pasted by everyone as a result. He’s tried to to move on to safer turf when cornered ( he hijacked ny ID twice this week ) but most revealingly he’s just not been as funny as usual. Morale must be getting bad at HQ since the failure of the “cuts” spinorama so we’re going back to the safe ground of smear ( all words no numbers required )

    • 323
      Anonymous says:

      Investigations into ANY fucking Labour politician have been turned down, Baiter; Qelle Fucking Surprise.

      Kinda helps that you bought off Plod first and politicised the civil service, elevating your crypto-communist apparatchik selves above the law, which you expect the rest of us to obey, while you’re picking our fucking pockets to fund your social engineering bullshit.

      The only place that Labour should be sunning it this year is in Parkhurst, the thieving fuckers.

      And you lot claimed to be the party of the people. What a bunch of lying hooning bastards.

      YOU’RE NO BETTER THAN THE FUCKING TORIES, YOU’RE ONLY IT IN FOR YOURSELVES!

    • 384
      Putin says:

      (Sigh) I see you have failed to understand any of the points I raised with you yesterday.

      1. Of what value would it be for anyone to comment on Osborne’s holiday arrangements ? None. It is an irrelevance to the issue.

      2. Good luck to Mr Darling. What about the others who were being investigated?
      3. This is an utterly vague piece of gibberish. How could you possibly know what view the electorate are coming to? How do you make the connection with wealth?

      It must therefore be a personal opinion,to which you are most welcome. But stop peddling it as fact

    • 388
      summer_breeze says:

      ” The electorate are coming to the view that the ones with the maxed out mortgages are the worst, ”

      Now that is where you are wrong – very wrong.
      The general public actually thinks that your lot are by far the worst. Yours is supposed to be the party of the people. The party that will protect and promote the rights of the ordinary working man/woman. Then it turns out that rather than you doing any of that, you have been raiding the cookie jar and have squandered the loot on designer towels and ceiling mirrors.
      Combine that with the fact that you have done everything possible to legislate against the English, white, working class males in this country and what you are left with is a populace that feels as though they have had their noses well and truly rubbed into the dirt.
      If you really think that people think that the tories are the worst, then you are as deluded as the lunatic in Downing Street!

    • 399
      Anonymous says:

      Just go away, Baiter. On here we tell it like it is – Labour, Tory, Liberal or any other – unlike your pathetic paid-for refusal to acknowledge any Labour wrong-doing.

      Why not post somewhere where your time and effort might find some receptive readers – it’s totally wasted here.

      On second thoughts, do stay – if Jehovah’s Witnesses knock on my door I argue with them for an hour, as it means they have an hour less to spout their rubbish to others who might be taken in!

  67. 203
    King Sil says:

    Totally in character for the oleaginous creep. Vote English Democrat instead.

  68. 213
    righty right wing (Mrs) says:

    “”Mr Brown himself will not be marching at the Gay Pride Rally, for “security reasons”, but he will be hosting a reception for the organisers””.

    Security reasons?

    Indeed. The only British people that McMental dare meet now are 12 year olds who have their class rooms invaded with no notice by McStalin & his propagandists at the Pravda BBC.

    He would not dare walk down any street in Great Britain now – & if he did he would know in an instant what it means to be the most unpopular Prime Minister (unmandated) in the history of our democracy ever.

  69. 214
    lozzer says:

    The case against Osborne is that he isn’t up to the job. Anyone who suggests – even in half seriousness – that firms should pay corporation tax on turnover not profits or that interest shouldn’t be chargeable against corporation tax doesn’t have a place in Government.

    • 222
      righty right wing (Mrs) says:

      Totally agree.

      I find it incredible that anyone could actually say it, let alone believe it would make for good & fair legislation & taxation.

    • 277

      “corporation tax on turnover”

      Government does just that already of course – its called VAT.

      • 283
        Anonymous says:

        Not exactly. VAT is refunded on B2B transactions, so the hit is only taken once in the chain, at the point of consumer purchase.

        • 289
          Unsworth says:

          Actually that’s not exactly so.

        • 297

          If one accepts there needs to be some money raised from the populace for basic services then the turnover idea has more merit than profit: for reasons why, see News International’s accounts.

          The accountants will hate its simplicity, as they hated Ronnie Reagan-style flat taxes

        • 420
          Anonymous says:

          Unsworth. OK – no exactly so, in the sense that the margin ( added value ) is the net payable at each stage. But the eventual total revenue to HMG is the headline figure at the consumer purchase stage.

        • 433
          Unsworth says:

          Thus the hit is not taken only once in the chain at the point of consumer purchase….

      • 426
        Anonymous says:

        A non-brainer reform is a consumer sales tax, instead of the turnover tax with B2B refunds. But for the EU.

    • 278
      gottagetoutaherefast says:

      “firms should pay corporation tax on turnover not profits ” He didn’t. No. No. Please tell me he didn’t ? Did he ? He did. We’re all fucked. Totally fucked. Totally and completely fucked. Without a snowballs chance in hell of getting un-fucked.

      • 321
        Richard the Lionheart says:

        No, he didn’t. He did want to reduce the rate of corporation tax, but deny tax relief for interest, which would be stupid. A far better reform would be for businesses to pay tax on their actual profits, with no tax adjustments at all. The immediate effect would be that many large corporates would pay a lot more tax and that could help fund a reduction in employer’s NI, thus boosting jobs. You would still need rules for multinationals to ensure they couldn’t artificially export taxable profits, but the system would be much simpler, fairer and more effective.

        • 326

          Are you a cretin? A half way decent accountant can serve up any number yoiu want as “profit”.

          The Penguin

        • 422
          Anonymous says:

          Penguin. Sure, you can set the profits in any particular year, but only by shifting costs forwards or backwards that will push subsequent years’ profits the other way.

          Want to cut industry’s accouting costs ? Why the fuck are there 2 different sets of rules 1 for the IR and another for the Companies House return ?

    • 290
      Rexel 56 says:

      Removing or limiting tax consequences as a factor when choosing the most appropriate form of financing for a business venture strikes me as a sensible discussion to have.

      You’ll have to do better than that.

      Oh, and paying corporation tax on turnover is de facto what happens for many businesses. Try telling the Revenue that you have made a loss, year-after-year, on your plumbing business and see what happens.

      • 307

        Rexel – the Italian Treasury got the joke around four years ago and started charging bars and other small businesses, if they so choose, a flat tax payment based on business type. If you go into a shop these days and they don’t bother with receipts, this is the (quite legitimate) reason why, and they often put up a sign saying so. All clever stuff.

    • 352
      Louise says:

      Smith, Jowell, Hewitt, Harman, The woman who was not up to the job at Health and was promoted. That is Hembra culture for you.

    • 363
      Seth the pig farmer says:

      What’s wrong with it as a discussion item? Assuming that a tax on turnover would be set at a sensible level then it could work. If (taking simple numbers for the sake of example) the tax on profits is 20%, and a company is making a 20% margin, then the tax on turnover would be 4%.

      Just think how much would be saved on accountants fees. Offshoring of profits, maxing up expenses, intercompany loans etc would be a thing of the past. To be honest, you could probably cut the turnover tax by half and generate greater tax revenues.

      The winners would be the profitable companies that generate significant margins.

      The losers would be unprofitable companies.

      I can’t see an obvious reason why this couldn’t work.

      • 387
      • 400
        Scales of Justice says:

        seth, once again a quiet but compelling post.

      • 416
        Anonymous says:

        You will be massively and artifically distorting the market in the direction of vertical integration.

        You farm your pigs, pay x%. Wholeseller x% Retailer x%. Etc.

        Now compete with a monolith running a field to supermarket operation

        Scenario much worse than this in manufacturing.

  70. 219
    Ripsnorter says:

    When will you all and Guido realise that sensible, clever, honest people don’t go into politics. They are doing sensible (mainly) honest(ish) things. But, then you all knew that didn’t you??????

  71. 230
    Bercow & Squeak says:

    ….and the present chancellor is as clean as whistle whiter than white etc etc. How come no interest in him? ahhh he’s Nu labour so fucking untouchable of course!

    Its bollox of course but no doubt a shadow minister will be smeared again and pay the price while the true destroyers and troughers again get away scott free laughing in and pissing in your faces. Sometime they even become enobled in the house of Lords. This is just a side show and yachtgate all over again where the guy was actually proved right but of course that was never reported of course.

    what a shit system this is and this country has become where hoons like Mandelson , kinnocks and Browns run the place like their personal fifedom. I am absolutely sick of these bastards.

  72. 233
    chronic says:

    In addition to the two homes above he also has a nice place one the Isle of Wight.

  73. 235
    It doesn't add up... says:

    Seen on CiF:

    P.S. If Gordon steps down suddenly, don’t take the job, it means economic collapse is imminent.

    (comment on Alan Johnson’s article about ID cards)

    Never a truer word spoken in jest?

  74. 244
    Sunonmars says:

    I’d pay good money to see the look on Brown and Darling’s face if Cameron put Clarke in as Shadow Chancellor. A collective Brown pant moment that Clarke would not be afraid to call them both out and take them apart. They would shiite themselves.

    A nice good shadow cabinet reshuffle could be fun.I’d put Clarke in for about 3 years sort out the treasury role as an actual real “safe pair of hands” along the lines of Clarkes actually fixed it the last time and he has to sort it out again. Brown just inherited what was a good economy when they got in, in 97.

  75. 251
    Lest we forget says:

    O/T, but when was the last time that Udders was seen in public?

    The egregious mohammadist thief should not be allowed to forget that the shadow of the crosshairs continues to fall across her quim.

    Udders
    Udders
    Udders
    Udders

    Just a reminder

    • 266
      Doctor Mick says:

      If she is seen anywhere it had better be in Maidstone.

      • 291
        Master Baiter says:

        At least Baroness Uddin has two homes.
        Nadine Dorries, now there’s an interesting one, when you think about it. She actually admits to not having a main home, only a second one. By that logic presumably where ever she lays her hat that’s her home, the tramp.

        Go on! Ask her “Where’s your main home Nadine?”

        • 310
          Tin Cunliffe-Arsely says:

          Two houses, not homes.
          A home is where the heart is, and presumably curtains too.

          Nadine Dorries is a goodun though I must admit. “none of your business” she says, as if we’re asking a lady(*) her age.

          (* must be said the way david walliams says it)

        • 325
          Master Baiter says:

          So, are you saying the lady is a tramp?

        • 335
          Patricia Hayes says:

          She is not the vagrant!

        • 340
          Master Baiter says:

          Yes, the vague ranting is left to Cameron at his PMQ flailing.

        • 364
          It doesn't add up... says:

          Pull the Udder one! She has a place in Wapping, one in Bangladesh (quite a palace I believe) and supposedly one in Maidstone.

          Typical NuLab education – can’t count to three.

        • 379
          Putin says:

          Of course part of the allegation is that the Baroness claimed for an additional house between 2001 -2005 which does not appear to exist,according to the Times. So I think your first sentence is somewhat incorrect.

    • 294
      Rexel 56 says:

      And the woman’s faith is relevant to this comment because?

      Oh yes, because otherwise you couldn’t put your prejudice on display.

      • 302
        Lest we forget says:

        Mohammadism is hardly a faith, more a political creed of submission and conquest.

      • 317
        Baroness Houdini says:

        In what sense is her ‘faith’ not relevant? Under the Sharia law that she would support in the UK she would be the first to get her thieving mitts hacked off by a sweating madman whilst calls of piety and submission echo from the minarets.

    • 378
      Sinic(sic) says:

      Last I heard she was back in Bangli having the Carrera marble on her “second”, i.e. real home re-gilded — unless someone in the East End knows different?

  76. 265
    Phew Fernly Shittingstall says:

    Becketts chemical toilet ……… phew …… too many eggs

  77. 273
    Great Granddad says:

    It looks as though Cameron will have to sack him. That would be a satisfactory outcome, but not half as satisfactory as it would be if he was sacked for being vapid.

    • 296
      Dogger says:

      Vapid might be an improvement on invisible. I made more of a fuss yesterday at my GP surgery over a small delay to a minor op than Osborne has made of the wrecking of the entire UK economy.

      Has anyone ever been sacked simply for being vapid? This should be the first.

      • 315
        Master Baiter says:

        George Osborne is ‘relaxed’ about the investigation in to his expenses.

        Notice he doesn’t deny anything, he’s just relaxed.

        Well that’s fine then.

        • 331

          Go and ask Dolly for a 0% payrise, you knobhead.

          The Penguin

        • 334
          Frankie Goes to Hollywood says:

          George Osborne is RELAXED

        • 376
          The city of Catchfools says:

          Master Baiter, I would keep an eye of Gordon’s nose if I were you.

          The Turquoise Fairy asks Pinocchio where the gold coins are. Pinocchio lies, saying he has lost them. As he tells this lie (and more) his nose begins to grow until it is so long he cannot turn around in the room. The Fairy explains to Pinocchio that it is his lies that are making his nose grow long, then calls in a flock of woodpeckers to chisel down his nose.

          “There are two kind of lies, lies with short legs and lies with long noses. Yours…happen to have long noses.”

    • 418
      Carlos Marcos says:

      These aristos are a good laugh and clubbable and all the rest of it, but they’re total wasters. You just can’t trust them with responsibility for anything. Fundamentally they just don’t give a shite. They consider it rather oikish and non-u to care about anything. It’s not cool.

      No one with any sense would give one of them a job.

      Remember Thatcher and Alan Clark. She really liked him as did most of the party but she had enough sense not to trust him with high office. She knew he’d just make an arse of it.

  78. 284
    Unsworth says:

    “He needs to show that his behaviour and intentions were beyond reproach.”

    Yep, that’s bang on. But – as we all know – ‘showing’ is not the same as ‘doing’. I expect we’ll get the old ‘I’ve done nothing wrong’ stuff in due course.

    But you have to ask whether this does much real damage to the Conservatives. Personally I doubt it. I think there’s such a public loathing of Brown, Mandelson, Balls and NuLab generally that many would accept the Conservatives as new government – warts and all.

    • 348
      Engineer says:

      Agree. The Osbourne mortgage affair has the stench of Nulab diversionary smear all over it. Osbourne’s troughing, whilst real and rather offensive, is nothing compared to Darling, Blears, Hoon et al, so it will probably blow over very quickly.

      All political parties are composed of human beings, with all the failings and frailties that go with being human. General Elections are often about ejecting a time-expired failed administration and replacing them with the least worst alternative option available. The next GE will be no different in that respect.

    • 414
      Oberleutnant Osborne says:

      Ich war nur gehorchen Bestellungen.

  79. 304
    Anonymous says:

    osborne has to go for the $5000 over claim, cameron has no control though,he cant even get his boys to pack in second jobs now..what a total WEED.

    • 413
      Nat Rothschild says:

      Mr Osborne and Mr Feldman agreed to meet with Mr Deripaska and his wife and family.

      They stayed on the boat for about an hour and drank tea and Pimms. There was a discussion about British and Russian politics, education, Russian history and tight Moscow pussy . There was no conversation or mention of party funding or the possibility of Mr Deripaska making a donation to, receiving a knighthood from or joining the Conservative Party.

      Mr Deripaska is now skint.

  80. 311
    Master Baiter says:

    George Osborne is a silly billy and everyone knows it.

    Also as everyone knows he has a mighty peculiar nose, with a clefted bulb, weird.

    • 324
      resurgemus says:

      Hear, hear

      • 330
        Master Baiter says:

        SORRY,
        GEORGE OSBORNE IS A SILLY BILLY AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT.

        ALSO AS EVERYONE KNOWS HE HAS A MIGHTY PECULIAR NOSE, WITH A CLEFTED BULB, WEIRD.

        IS THAT BETTER DEAR?

    • 367
      It doesn't add up... says:

      I guess you grew up under Healey’s eyebrows?

      • 391
        summer_breeze says:

        Nothing could grow under those – they blocked off too much sunlight. :-/

    • 370
      Budgie says:

      The UK is heading for debts, mainly incurred by Brown, approaching 3 trillion pounds, and you’re bothered about about Osborne’s NOSE? Are you insane?

      • 411
        Carlos Marcos says:

        I think George Osborne is totally bonkers. The bonkers baronet they used to call him.

        Apparently the Anglo-Irish Ascendancy were all inbred because they couldn’t marry the native Catholic Irish.

  81. 314
    Anonymous says:

    Ian Duncan Smith talked like a complete tosser last night on QT.Every time i see him and Hague i cringe.Can the torys put normal people on QT for once?

    • 333
      Master Baiter says:

      It’s very unlikely really, isn’t it?
      It would be a contradiction in terms.

      • 337
        Yvette Stalin says:

        to lose one job is a tragedy to lose two million is merely a statistic

    • 349
      Dick Scratcher says:

      Very true – the Tories roll out the same losers over and over again. They need a big clearout of duffers. They’re like The Lawn Tennis Assoc, The Rugby Union & the MCC – same profile, same ineffectiveness old boy.

    • 373
      Cutie Time says:

      Not the finest performance by IDS. The quiet man was a little too noisy. But he still towered above Harman and her incoherent waffling. Hitchens was as usual contumacious, patronising and objectionable. He reads much better than he speaks. Jarvis Cocker … let’s just say he sings better than either. The Lib Dump fella just the same old earnest mediocrity. Not a great bout. IDS may even have won on points.

      • 410
        Carlos Marcos says:

        IDS began to say something rather interesting about societal breakdown and Harman turned to Dimblebore and said something disapproving. Then Dimblebore laid into IDS, raising his voice and told him that they weren’t discussing that.

        I wonder why.

        Pity really. It was the most interesting topic on the show.

  82. 320

    O/T but I think you’re going to need at lest three caption competitions todat Guido – albeit all Gordon-themed. Perhaps a generous tricast-style prize for anyone wins all three.

    • 369
      Balls to a winner says:

      Are there winners? I thought the competition is like GCSE exams where everyone is a winner!

  83. 339
    A Silent Emission of Bowel Gas says:

    Two fabulous houses, huge wealth, fine, Eton education, well trained servants and so on.

    I’m happy for my taxes to go to a real gentleman like that.

    We simply don’t understand the upper class lifestyle, that’s all.

  84. 345
    What's best for the country ...Go on do it Dave... says:

    The best outcome is:

    Cameron sack Osborne.
    Cameron resigns.
    David Davis Leader.
    Ken Clake shadow Chancellor.

    It’s for the good of the Country, I’m sure Dave knows this.

    • 366
      Osborne is not little says:

      The case for replacing Osborne as Shadow Chancellor should be considered entirely separately from this frivolous attack on his integrity.

      Compared to Lord Mandelson, say, Gideon can be said to lack ‘bottom’ as a senior politician. He is also less telegenic than the man in the buff suede shoes. However, the recent demolition of Gordon on the ‘spending cuts’ lies is a major political triumph for the Tories. Others have helped of course but he is responsible for the strategy that is winning the day. I think we should cut the boy some further time.

      Perhaps the expenses complaint and the spending cuts are more related than I first thought.

  85. 361
    Its Gordons Bat and Ball says:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/jul/03/brown-boris-budget-21m

    Oh! Labour are getting Dirty – Boris is going to be cross

  86. 383
    Pip Squeak says:

    I also noticed that website of the Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards is no longer reporting complaints that currently being investigated – at least I can’t find anything there. I seem to remember that the Malik complaint was listed on the site.

    Perhaps Bercow should start squeaking “Quiet please!” rather than “Order! Order!”

  87. 386

    Dear All

    I said that Osborne was a dick ago; I was right then and I am right now!

    It is time that George Osborne aka Oswank aka Gollum handed back some of the precious (money).

    I can see the podgy fool now sitting in a corner crying out for the precious while counting taxpayers money.

    Osborne is just a shitty little wallpaper salesman, lets remember that.

    He has no class either, you put an expensive suit on him and he still looks like shit.

    He is an Oswank!

    Yours sincerely

    George Laird
    The Campaign for Human Rights at Glasgow University

  88. 395
    Jonjo Hobbs says:

    As John Cale said: “Gideon lied”

  89. 407
    a1 says:

    He didn’t want to use his trust fund then?

  90. 440
    Andrew says:

    Osborne has always struck me as a smarmy, narcissistic Alan B’Stard type of figure. You can just imagine him doling out abuse to the unemployed while living on his inheritance, fiddling the expenses system and not paying taxes. The whole Mandelson affair where he leaked a private conversation to embarrass someone shows really where his moral compass likes.

    He is the career politician par excellence. Someone who people find hard to like but who survives by staying close to the Leader and of course as they both go way back.

    A

  91. 441
    Andrew says:

    I have to agree with the poster a while back.. David Davis as leader.. except he has shown some bizzare tendencies…. against top-up fees at Uni but what is the alternative…. took a very strong stand against detention without trial… but just looked like posturing…. is he calm and reasoned enough to be leader????

  92. 442

    I agree…I agree…I agree…I agree…

  93. 443
    mach-velli says:

    This smells of Mandelson. Last year yatch. This year his home plot.

  94. 444

    [...] The Case Against Osborne There is something fishy about this – how does Osborne justify a mortgage for more than the house actually [...] [...]

  95. 450
    Jonjo Hobbs says:

    Gideon can’t be in both houses at once. Anyone up for a squat?

  96. 451
    Anonymous says:

    Osbo is a knob head and i wont vote tory till they ditch the trousering fraudulent tosser.

  97. 452
    Uncoverthesleaze says:

    Gideon has always looked like the most slimy loathsome alan b’stard type of MP. Throw him to the wolves and let him go back to mummy and daddy’s wallpaper empire and he can make as much money as he likes.


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“There is more sexism in Britain than in any other country in the world, according to a mad woman who has been sent here by the United Nations.

Rashida Manjoo is a part-time professor of law at Cape Town University in the totally non-sexist country of South Africa (otherwise known as Rape Capital Of The World).

Mrs Magoo has been wandering around with her notebook and is appalled by the sexist “boys’ club” culture here, apparently.

I don’t doubt we still have sexism in the UK. But is it worse than in, say, Saudi Arabia, d’you think, honey-lamb? Or about 175 other countries? Get a grip, you doolally old bat.”



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