Lies, Lies and Damned Statistics
The sheer madness of Gordon’s state of denial became clear yesterday. He stood there at PMQs and claimed spending would grow 0%. He has set himself a dividing line alright, it is the line between economic reality and economic fantasy. He is on the wrong side of that dividing line.
Andrew Grice reports that the rest of the Cabinet, including the Chancellor, wants him to take a reality check. They have agreed to admit there will be some cuts out of necessity, but to argue that the Tories will cut more, this was the position that Mandelson argued for originally. At PMQs Cameron and Clegg were united against Brown – the LibDem leader accused him of “living in complete denial”. It appears the Cabinet agrees. It remains to be seen whether or not they can get the Prime Mentalist to change his “no cuts” tune.
If you wade through the numbers in the Treasury’s recently released Public Expenditure Statistical Analyses 2009 (page 83), you can see the Tories are right about the government’s own plans to cut spending on services in real terms in 15 out of 25 departments in 2011. Gordon’s lying has lost him the argument about cuts, the reality is it that it is a question about the degree and timing of cuts.
so we are fucked and led by a lair and a madman ?
It started in America
dont think barry obama would like that one lad
Oaf GuidOrcs it’s not all right to spell all right as alright, all right?
Oh and regarding cuts, keep digging, then bury yourself.
Whatever. Check the polls and the dictionary.
A fake baiter surely? Or is it the effects of too much end-of-term partying?
Master Wanker, you’ve made your point whatever it is. You can fuck off and play with your Warhammer figures now.
Whoa whoa whoa, don’t bring me into this…
When will someone arrest this koont for lying !
He needs to by lynched by the public. He is a fucking disgrace !
Does he really think we are fools ?
Re: Joe Public
Even though the Americans retain it as the ultimate mode of criminal penalty, and though his personal popularity is slowly but surely ebbing to the same low level as that of his policies, and though he shall not unlikely finish as the man he is emulating – Jimmy Carter – as a one-term leader, I doubt they will inflict capital punishment on him…
Oh, I see, you meant Gordo!
To Barry Obama.
I am just reviewing your work for Mr Cameron regards repairing, restoring and redecorating Britain.
We have previously been very satisfied with your work in the back Welsh room, scrapping off years of neglected and faded red paint and restoring the area. We appreciate that it would take considerably more funds to complete the job but there is a tenant in the room so we will not be going ahead with the full restoration for now.
Also removing the bright, but now very 2003 ‘Iraqi themed’, yellow paint from the Devon/Cornwall area has been most satisfactory.
If you could now begin removing the angry red paint from the northwest.
Some of the surfaces are very cracked and can be quite chippy. There are a large number of red rose stencils on many of the tiles which should be removed. Is the Hull WC area salvageable in any way?
The North east may require much more extensive work..could you quote for that?
We would rather not have to tear the walls and floorboards out if it can be helped.
Mr Cameron has decided on a soft BlueGreen wash for the walls.
It is available from B&Q in either a 5L “Ecoblu” or 2.5L “Morning bluff”
Feel free to use black and white to illustrate the stark difference between the old and new but avoid Brown at all costs.
Look forward to your estimate soon.
Yours Sincerely
Bill Quango MP
C/o Mr Dave’s office.
Although Master Baiter and I have had our little disagreements in the past, I would like to leap to his defence and point out he is correct about the error of using alright.
Such a shame that:
1) He’s wrong about everything else
2) It’s inconsequential
3) No one gives a shit
According to the New Shorter Oxford English Dictionary, Page 57. the use of ‘alright’ is acceptable.
I’m afraid Master Baiter has got it wrong…once again!
Oh, what a shame. My OED and Fowlers are a bit old, so happily retract.
Yes, but to be fair his work load is immense. Just this week he has Michael Jacksons lying in state and funeral to arrange and organising of the Gay Pride march has put intolerable pressure on this already insane one eyed Scottish bastard.
As, I believe, another Guido observer has commented, a swim for ol’ Gordoom in the Thames bearing a millstone on his back would be most wholesome. The exercise would relieve his anxiety and fears, and end ours.
It’s global.
It’s only global because the USA, the UK and the Eurozone have gone into recession. If it wasn’t for us the rest of the world would be alright, even Russia.
None of the UK recession can be completely attributed to either the USA or the Eurozone. Our economy was trashed by Gordoom McDebt.
Chambers Dictionary re “alright”: “An alternative, less acceptable, spelling of all right, much used in informal contexts”
Master Baiter @ 87 dons her best formal black evening frock to concoct the chef d’oeuvres so eagerly awaited by all of us here.
Bugger it! I’ve fed a troll.
Chefs d’oeuvre.
My grenouilles say rrrrrivet rrrrrrvet rrrrrvet to you! and my crapo says hy! too!
I have asked before what is required to section this man, now I see he is completely raving.
Call the RSPCA and they will put him out of his misery.
I have told you already. 2 medics, one a pyschiatrist, or the police, SectionII of the MHA can be held for a week pending an assessment, after which can use other parts of the Act to retain indefinitel (in his case) – no go and do it!!
Section 2 of the MHA allows 2 weeks assessment to determine if the subject being analysed should be committed for 6months under Section 7, as a ‘Danger to himself or others’.
‘Danger to himself or others’.
Then bang him up doc. What more evidence do you need.
No medical panel in the world would castigate you once they’ve looked in his file.
Nice detective work Guido! % change bar graph here: http://wselibdems.blogspot.com/2009/07/next-years-budget-cuts-to-central.html
Average cut across all dept -5.75%, worse if you factor in other considerations such as inflation.
The word “Worse” is used, surely the word more is better?
Feeding a metastasising cancer is not good.
There is far too much government and far too much state.
This is what we could cut:
Membership of EU – £60 billion/year
ID cards/database – £20 billion one time
Half a million out of the 650,000 NHS bureaucrats – £15 billion/year
Most Quangos – estimate £20 billion/year
All government foreign aid (close DfID) – £9 billion/year
Central education bureaucrats – £20 billion/year
No more political “Euro” military deals – estimate £20 billion/year
No more Arts/Sports/Olympics/Charities/ Unions subsidies
Cut the parasites down.
Rentakil is more appropriate.
Rentokil is better!
Come on Fred – Straussy ain’t that bad….
should have kept kp as skipper he is class , not as good as me
Oh…no…that that old chesnut!
I’ve said it so many times I’m blue in the face lad.
Give it to me, I can do it better than anyone…
geoff lad its your eyesight thats the problem
Does GB suffer from the same problem as Mastur Bator, then? Is it making him blind too?
Shout louder – he can’t hear you!!
eh?
‘I’ve said it till I’m blue in the face…’
Geoff Boycott’s a smurf?
So we are led by a Falcon’s home and not the Falcon
I liked you in that film where you played a scottish football manager, and Michael Keating played the club chairman.
Yes we are fucked.
The cuts in spending are being used to pay the interest on government debt.
Pages 84 to 87 of the Public Expenditure Analysis Report show that servicing (paying the interest on loans) government debt will increase from 29.96 BILLION paid in taxyear 07/08 to 42.91 BILLION in 10/11.
Our Glorious Leaders are “robbing Peter to pay Paul”. When interest rates start to climb, government debt repayments will increase enormously. Just like a homeowner with a variable rate mortgage, as interest rates go up they have to pay more out of their income to keep up.
I anticipate that whoever wins the next election will have to maintain a massive amount of pressure on the Bank of England to keep interest rates low. Without low interest rates, this country will find that its debt repayments exceed the revenues generated by tax receipts. Result? Bankruptcy.
Funny, I thought ‘bankrupt’ was a taboo word here.
Anyhow, if the country was officially declared bankrupt, would that mean it would be in the hands of the administrators ? Is that a possible way of getting rid of these clowns ?
“robbing Peter to pay Paul”
I DO NOT LIKE PAUL VERY MUCH………
Shouldn’t you be in training Fred?
Didn’t she appear so blissful and content sitting on the back-benches yesterday during PMQs in the Commons?
She probably has some of those vibrating ‘love egg’ things inside her, entertaining her as the few functioning neurons in her dullard brain briefly spasm with activity at the thought of watching whatever porn her husband taped on Sky the night before.
Most likely Ostrich eggs were modified to do the business.
time keeping not my strong point lad
Never mind missing the bus freddie my old mate,a spell on the wagon might be on the cards. Strauss’s getting worried!
Don’t ask t’ lad to choose between t’ bottle and his country. ‘E’ll will bottle it he will.
dont worry lad i am fit as a fiddle
I bloody hope so, lad!!
i did hit 93 runs in that 20/20 last week and got more runs than kp yesterday
Gordon is as mad as a flock of umbrellas!!!!
Wibble!!!!
“There will be growth of zero %”
That is the greatest Brownism yet.
He’s an unelected nutter.
What a pity his growth in tax revenue won’t be as gloriously high as that
Not even as much as 0% growth in tax revenues likely.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/edmundconway/5713846/Falling-tax-revenues-are-about-to-balloon-our-budget-deficit.html
But what’s his problem?
If this reccession that started in the USA is so bad, then what is there to be ashamed about tightening the contry’s spending belt and showing prudence?
So we have our Prime Mentalist talking b*****ks live on tv at PMQ, and trying to convince people that a 0% change is an increase.
But why has this not been shown on tv news – I watched BBC, ITV, Newsnight yeasterday, and the clip was not shown on any of them. What is going on?
You would have thought this piece of nonsense was big news – aa chance for everyone to see how he has lost touch with reality…….
I agree, nothing on Today this morning either. Has Gordon called in a favour ?
La BBC stands for La Bore Broadcasting Corpse.
It could be that there is no sense in looking for any logic in Gordon’s madness on government spending. It just might all come down to the fact that he is quite simply mad.
They have been showing it with regularity on Sky.
Anyone got a link? I missed the fun,
What the hell’s happening to our (already dubious) democracy? Yesterday we had to suffer lord adonis talking about national express on radio 4 am yesterday, and no consultation with the hoc. Then radio 4 interview with E. Mear (an excellent one by the way) and that frightening creep mandleson, and no reference to the HoC. Then to cap it all we were subjected to an interview with J Paxman (very poor on his part) and lord myners! Absolutely no mention of the HoC. Who’s running the country? The House of Lords? Criminal!
Eddie Mair is about the best interviewer at Al-JaBeeba currently. They will likely fire him before the Tories get in.
Eddie Mair was giving Mandelson a hard interview on PM yesterday, there aren’t many (if any) BBc presenters these days who have got the guts or the intelligence to take Mandelson on.
Lord Myners, whoever the fuck he is, on Newsnight Wednesday ‘Risk is inherent in Banking’ FFS, I thought the banking was a licence to print money, until greed, my precious, got a hold. Rotten from top to bottom, and not afraid to brag about it, the arrogance, I had a bowel collapse, and that’s when Mark walked in..
Paxman once said he conducted interviews on the basis of wanting to know why a lying bastard politician was lying to him. As things have not changed much, one presumes he still doesn’t know why.
Eddie Mair OTOH interviews politicians as if he does know why, and has known why for long enough to be either cross or satirical about the answers. It must be a bit of nightmare for a politician that they don’t know which Eddie Mair they’re getting with the next question, even for a media tart like Mandy.
I liked Eddie Mair when he did that show about computer war gaming – weren’t the contestants the stupidist!
And you know when Lady Mandeltart goes all avuncular on you, as he did with Eddie Mair yesterday, that he is buggered, and not for the first time!
Didn’t 10 News show a clip of this just before Toenail’s gruesome face to face with the monocular mentalist? Admittedly this is not Gaydo’s favourite position and consequently he appeared rather discomfited – there was almost as much deranged gurning as on the infamous Youtube vid.
At one point the camera lingered on the remnants of the moonbat’s brutalised fingernails. I think there might have been just the hint of a subtext there.
Toenails on fingernails – telling it like it is. Is the lickspittler beginning to turn?
It was on BBC News at 10, believe it or not.
Trouble with spendaholics is they don’t understand prudence.
It is not prudent to cut public spending in a recession.
So if you’re in favour of prudence you should agree with the government and support maintinaing government spending in the recession.
If you cut spending in a recession the effect will cost taxpayers more.
Think of it as a farmer would do. If you have a crop that requires irrigation and there is a drought you do not cut back on water to save money.
You’re inablity to understand this concept does not negate its veracity.
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It’s a drought. There is no water…
So sonny, when your household – because of whatever cause, say dismissal from work or the incurring of a sudden, immense cost – sinks into debt you don’t economise, buy cheap, live frugally and save, you labour to enlarge that debt with unfruitful purchases of transient benefit or by sheer russian-roulette folly?
Really? ‘Onest Injun?
I can understand this, you absolute fuckwit. If you have no money then you can’t spend it. And, you’d be bloody foolish to borrow any if you can’t pay it back.
There, is that simple enough for you, you clod?
Motor-berater you are not merely foolish but ignorant of all letters.
A person, or perhaps a distinctly personified sentiment, can show ‘veracity’, literally speaking the truth.
An abstract idea can only possess ‘verity’, or truth itself as an inherent property of its the thing’s nature.
The farming analogy is perfect because even dimwits like you can understand it, hurray!
Hey good looking, your point about veracity and verity is not accepted in any available reference. Perhaps you could oblige the blog with a helpful reference, even if you are correct.
Moron, your doltish and fallacious comparison is an impotent apology for the lunatic Gordon Brown.
You have confused a difficulty occasioned by nature – droughty weather – with a concern which is purely artificial, namely the quantity of money to spend.
Also, the answer to the fable’s riddle is that you search for more water. Transposed to a national economy, that means Gordon should work to curtail and simplify vexatious bureaucratic rules and procedures, and allow more financial and commercial freedom to the entrepreneur to risk their money in ventures which both invest and employ.
Motor-berater, it seems earlier that you accused Guido of misspelling ‘all right’ as a unified word, ‘alright’. In a spiteful (reasonably so) reply he directed you to a dictionary website.
Have you consulted this source as your guide? It is an American English website and as much as I esteem and love the Yanks their lingual proficiency and erudition is mediocre. Lamentably, their ways of grammar are not only rotten but infectious and have corrupted UK English with the same indolence and barbarism. Read Dr Johnson’s dictionary, delve into that of Oxford University, or more didactic still, research the immediate Latin derivatives of ‘veracity’ and ‘verity’. Each has its own discrete meaning and place!
Thank you for your condescending post.
Your statement would be true if government spending were not funded by borrowing. In that situation the taxpayer will have to bear the costs of the interest on the debt. This will slow recovery.
Whether the effect of a spending cut would cost the taxpayer more cannot be assessed until the recession ends. It would depend on how such a cut is implemented and the impact.
You cannot possibly know this. After all, the Tories have no policies and the government is hiding the facts.
Your concept is therefore based on an incorrect assumption and an unprovable future outcome.
Why should anyone accept it?
When you are knee deep in debt the answer is not to keep spending. If the elactorate have stopped spending it is because they can’t afford it any more. Why then do these hoons think they can keep doing so.
This is not water on fucking crops, this is borrowing money that you will sometime have to repay.
MB I do think the earlier post that suggested you were suffering from end of term syndrome has hit the nail on the head
Masticating Masturbater. In a drought there is no water for the farmer to pump. In this SLUMP there is no money for HMG to pump. “QE” is pretend money that is another stealth tax on every one of us. Your holding your brains in your wanking hand, mate.
FFS.
Irrigate your spuds, they grow and you have something to show for it.
But Brown isn’t doing something sensible like watering crops is he? The C unt is just throwing money into the wind, most of it never to be seen again except in the trousers of Bankers, MPs, Lords and Man made global warming fanatics.
The point, and it is accepted by many reputable economists, commentators and policy makers, is that it is not prudent to cut public spending in a recession.
Many concur that it is more prudent to increase public spending in a recession.
The irrigation analogy helps to illustrate this.
If you have a crop that requires unexpectedly extra expensive irrigation you are faced with a choice. You irrigate and suffer the extra expense or you don’t irrigate, save the extra expense but suffer a reduced yield or possibly loss of the entire crop.
Do any of you understand the meaning of prudence?
But the sensible farmer would have invested in irrigation lakes during the years of rain so that he had water on tap in the years of drought.
Farmer Brown on the other hand did not invest or store away in the good years and now faces bankruptcy in the lean years. Just as the local bank will tell farmer Brown he can’t spend money he ain’t got or put aside the IMF is telling PM Brown the same.
Gordon thinks he is Moses, when in reality Gordon could have done with taking advice from Moses years ago and now it is too late.
But the sensible farmer would have invested in irrigation lakes during the years of rain so that he had water on tap in the years of drought.
Farmer Brown on the other hand did not invest or store away in the good years and now faces bankruptcy in the lean years. Just as the local bank will tell farmer Brown he can’t spend money he ain’t got or put aside the IMF is telling PM Brown the same.
Gordon thinks he is Moses, when in reality Gordon could have done with taking advice from Moses years ago and now it is too late.
The economists also point out government’s need to save for such occasions. Our didn’t.
“Golden Rule” becomes Golden Shower as the national wealth is pissed against the wall
Master Baiter, if you pump more money into the economy during the recession it will simply prevent all the bad investments made during the boom years from liquidating themselves. The economy becomes propped up by government spending that will at some point have to be withdrawn (resulting in another crash – think American economy in 1937-38). Better to get it over and done with now.
“You irrigate and suffer the extra expense or you don’t irrigate, save the extra expense but suffer a reduced yield or possibly loss of the entire crop.”
The problem is that the economy isn’t just made of one “crop”. It consists of a highly complex capital structure which had too much investment in the higher end during the boom due to excessively low interest rates.
“It is not prudent to cut public spending in a recession.”
Perhaps, but it is also not prudent to spend money to such an extent that people are going to stop lending you money. That is starting to happen.
If your farmer is coming to realise there isn’t much water left in his tanks, he’s going to have to cut down on the irrigating to stand any chance of getting to the end of the season.
Of course, it increasingly seems like the “brown magic” was to pray for the rains to come. That was over-optomistic when he did it a few years ago. Don’t quite know what to call it now.
Perhaps your farmer just thinks water comes out of taps.
If you’re going to spout Keynsian claptrap then at least understand that the -state has to run a surplus outside recessions, and during this Zanu-Labour governments term we haven’t!
But if you’re a gambler and you keep on losing, the answer is not to keep on staking until ‘inevitably’ the win you need appears. By the time it does, the stake money has vastly exceeded the value of the pot.
To clear the debt (and we need to define that – not presumably where it was before this all started, i.e.1997), what would be the scale of growth required?
And no-one’s yet set out consequences for the ecomony (as opposed to the public sector) of cutting back on expenditure. I thought trickle down had been thoroughly discredited?
Mr Baiter you illustrate perfectly the ignorance of your Master, the ditherer; in office but not in power. Using such simplistic analogies as your water / farmer analogy our simple PM tries to run a modern complex economy. Woeful!
This is absolutely correct. You do NOT cut spending in a recession. You use all the money you saved during the boom years – and without doubt you would have saved because there will inevitably be a rainy day – and you start spending on infrastructure projects.
Gordon did save during the boom, didn’t he? He put aside a lot of the trillions of pounds that passed through his hands for 10 years? If he didn’t, he’d be a complete and utter Hoon – Hoon as in See You Next Tuesday. He might – if he were a Hoon – compound that Hoonishness by borrowing hundreds of billions, amassing a debt of more than a trillion pounds, only to piss it up against the wall. You know, something fucking insane like blowing 15billion quid on a 2.5 per-cent reduction in VAT, for which the taxpayer would see an entirely predictable 0 per-cent return. He might – if he was the biggest fucking Hoon who ever lived – borrow money to pay the interest on existing government loans. Like that’s going to boost the economy. Then, the cherry on top, he might, if he were a bigger Hoon that King Hoon of Hoonland, double income tax for the poorest workers.
Cutting public spending now would make a bad situation worse.
The problems with public finances are dwarfed by the problems in the UK economy and in the global economy.
Those problems were caused and gravely exacerbated by a defect in liberal laissez faire markets.
The Conservitudes’ simpletonian super market basket case economics are without foundation and spouted merely to deceive a gullible and dim right wing constituency brought up on discreditted Thatcherite nostrums or for your more ready consumption, quack remedies.
Using your analogy:
Farmers have ponds to hold excess water when it rains (you know, when times were good and there was lots of water for everyone). The farmer will use the water he saved when it rained to water the essential crops. He will not waste his water on non-essential items, like fallow QUANGO fields or ID card bramble patches.
Are we talking about potatoes here? Didn’t they start in America?
The potato, solanum tuberosum was discovered by pre-Inca Indians in the foothills of the Andes mountains.in South America. South Americans measured time by the time it took to cook potatoes to various consistencies.My favourite, Winston a first early. I like it chipped!
I liked Master Baiter in that episode when his Mom came in the room and discovered him having a wank! Hilarious!
Your analogy is arse about tit young ‘bator me lad. Instead of a crop suffering a drought you have a crop suffering a flood. Perhaps all is not yet lost as long as we can pump out the water.
Unfortunately for us Gordon is busy upstream dynamiting dams. So not only will our crops drown but our houses and factories will be swept away too.
That is a far more apposite analogy I’m sure you will agree.
So you think the economy works the same way as a crop cycle MB? Oh the irony that you accuse others of not understanding the concept of economics.
Water has the tendency to fall from the sky completely free of charge and unfortunately, regardless of what Gordo may think, cash does not.
MB said: “Cutting public spending now would make a bad situation worse.” Presumably you will begin to believe that if you repeat it enough.
Actually studies have shown that when the government spends one pound it only gets as little as 50p of value, so bad is the goverment’s record on spending.
Or, for simple socialists, for every government job created, two jobs are destroyed in the private sector (because money = jobs).
Correct young Baiter.
The joys of manual labour are not to be dismissed lightly.
I can remember many a time toiling on the chutney farms of Islington; I would come home late at night all hot and sweaty but with a warm feeling inside.
Ahh happy days
Master Baiter – there were plenty of weather forecasters telling him that a dry summer was on the way. Sadly, it looks like he used up the water on his window boxes and having a nice hot bat with all his welfare clients.
Consider yourselves in the barn.
Sorry Baiter, I had forgotten that in the country of my birth, water can be bought in what passes for a drought. Believe me in a real drought there is no water to be had at any price. It is not pleasant.
In a recession spending has to be cut by one and all, including the government of the day. Continued spending needs financing by saved capital, by borrowing against assets, or by depreciation of the currency. We have saved no capital and have precious little to borrow against. Hence we have the printing press rolling, quaintly called “QE”, as a means of hiding from the public, the inevitable, the unavoidable, depreciation of the currency. That, young fellow, is like drought: real drought. It is not pleasant.
Water? Potatoes? I’ve got a fucking well. Great. Just keep pumping out water. No idea where it comes from. Don’t care. Just water me spuds every night. Bit like QE don’t you think.
Baiter, we spend everything in the good times and then even more in the bad. I think at least one of these actions is probably suspect?
In a real drought the water table drops way down. There is no water in the well. Just like the BoE reserves. Empty.
Liar, or nutter? You decide.
If you think Gordon Brown is a foul and deceitful crook, call 0845 123456
If you think he’s a raving fucking nutcase, call 0845 123654
Terms and conditions apply. Your home, life, livelihood and sanity are at risk if you remain in this doomed country. Save yourself, kill them all
Any reason why he can’t be both?
This is exactly why they should each have a button by them at PMQs. When we have had enough of whoever, especially Brown, we can then just press the button and he will explode into smithereeeeeens – ya, way to go ……
An electrical probe jammed up his arse with a voice activated switch should keep the bastard on his toes.
God if that were to happen, Mandlebum would find a way for him to field PMQs every week…
I think I will call that number to vote for Janet Dickinson to win I’m a Celebrity US. (hmmmmm…. I wonder if they’ll let me go on that show caked in make up).
See him on the TV with Toenails yesterday – said he doesn’t tell porkies.
That claim was the biggest of them all.
His porkie count is reducing by 0% year on year.
Yeah, but Toenails won’t press the issues. Gordon has an easy ride with him.
if you are a large tapeworm you don’t like to upset the host too much
And yet again the BBC just interviewed Gordon to hear his side of the story. No attempt at including a “balancing” interview in that piece, it was just “Poor old Gordon up against those nasty Tories” then move quickly onto other news.
There’s light at the end of the tunnel. In less than a year Brown will be gone, Labour will be gone (and maybe knocked into third place) and then the purge of the leftie BBC middle management can begin.
Question. How many unelected members of the lords does it take to run newlabour?
N…N….N….Nineteen Fred!
18 more than kp
Tha’s rayt lad!
Did you like the commentary of Mihir Brown?
Cameron and Clegg are not united. Far from it.
At PMQs yesterday, Clegg very specifically lampooned Cameron’s schtick too.
Despite Tory smoke and mirror attempts to cloud the issue, it is what it’s always been.
Cameron wants cuts NOW when they’ll do most damage, whilst Gordon is arguing for investment today with a run down as the economy enters recovery.
The damage is already done. The need is to arrest that before it is too late. Broon should be held to account for his scorched earth policy. It is the most vindictive thing a prime minister of this country has ever done. It is not the conservatives who will suffer, but the taxpayers for God knows how many generations to come.
That’s clear enough. Now we’ve got clear blue water. It’s cuts now from Cameron or cuts down the line from Brown.
Cameron’s cuts would be immensely more damaging now.
Brown’s cuts will take place in much more propitious circumstances.
That’s the debate. No need for Tory smoke and mirrors.
you do realize the country is virtually bankrupt NOW!
if there arent cuts soon, Standard and Poors will reduce our credit rating to AA (meaning we have a 30% chance of defaulting on debt) and the cost of the borrowing will increase dramatically. If that happened it would Either mean a 50% tax rate for everyone OR printing money and inflation rates of 20 or even 30%.
better cuts now before virtually become totally!
The ‘propitious circumstances’ will be taken up paying the massive interest
repayments incurred during the UNpropitious circumstances created by the
Kirkcaldy kidologist and band of dangerous leftist idealists.
Marcus:
If we dont start to get the public finances under control the “propitious circumstances” will not arise. Can’t you understand this? It is due to the magic of compound interest.
If you have a cold you take the medicine early, you don’t wait for it to develop into Pneumonia where your chances of a full recovery will rapidly diminish.
Why will cuts now do the most damage? Please explain?
The government assert they are not making cuts and they claim the Tories have no policies for the recession.
Without knowing exactly how cuts would be made,the level of ‘damage’ cannot be stated.
Such statements are pure spin and no use whatsoever.
I am skint, though I retain credit cards. Should I keep spending now or should I cut back?
The fact that you Dolly trolls can now use a spell checker does not make your repeating the same tired old accusations any less obvious.
Cnut!
Cuts now, will give the taxpayer – the individuals and the corporations – a break and leave the funds in the wisest hands. These are the real investors in national prosperity not a doomed bunch of desperate incompetents.
The labourlost troll might actually be taken seriously if he wasnt such a supercilious prat – the carpet-dwelling, local authority type with badges on his jacket lapels.
In most disasters it is customary to bolt the stable door after the horses have gone.
Listening to the latest reports on the Banking system Brown hasn’t even done that while all other countries have already put in place safeguards to avoid future problems.
Simply put this Government is not competent
He can’t. He sold the bloody door!
Could be an answer!
http://www.fxstreet.com/news/forex-news/article.aspx?StoryId=50d9f929-1d91-4792-9111-6d4046fe0d09
Nations Need Right To Force Creation Of Bank Subsidiaries-Study
when is our Supreme Leader going to be woken at dawn by soldiers?
Morning Blinky!
‘As the economy enters recovery’
I hope that you are a young man Carlos Marcos!
United Condom is screwed, destroyed and almost beyond repair!
You and your Prime Nutter are the laughingstock of the civilused world!
Wish it was funny!
Leave now!
civilised
I hope he’s a young too – his pension’s fucked
Of course he’s young – most of them are. As the saying goes “if you’re not a socialist by the time you’re 20, you don’t have a heart. If you’re still a socialist by the time you’re 40, you don’t have a brain”.
No one with any wisdom believes a word Brown says any more, not even his own people – they’re just happy for him to hold off on an election until the last moment to ensure they can keep picking up salaries and expenses for as long as possible before unemployment.
These well heeled Islington socialists don’t seem to understand that wasteful state spending curtails efficient private investment.
I don’t pay much tax
That Keynes guy was a genius. Not only did he provide Broon with an economic policy but he also managed to write Paradise Lost (how appropriate).
Blimey, they’ve even named a town after him
The town was named after the poet
;>)
It is named after the middle part of Keynes. In other words Milton Keynes and has nothing to do with the poet and the economist. The town is not named after the economist.
The argument isn’t about cuts or even the size of cuts.
The argument is about Gordon refusing to be honest with the British people.
He is clearly a liar and has been shown to be one on a consistent basis. His credibility is shot full of holes.
To bastardise his own words ever so slightly …. there is nothing he can say now that we will ever believe.
Is that the Royal “we”, or just more Tory wee, cos you’re not speaking for anyone else.
At this point I’ll just note the complete lack of anything substantive in your post; nothing in fact but the usual Tory smears that are so typical of many posters to this blog.
Go back to the bunker wanksplat
Q.E.D.
Think I touched a nerve eh? Keep on spinning the lies dicksplash… keep on spinning them as your beloved party is ground into the dirt of electoral history.
Just to pay the interest on Gordon’s debt is about 42 BILLION each year – and that does not reduce the amount owed.
When you consider that Tax revenues are about 600 BILLION a year, even an idiot can see that ALL taxes will need to rise by roughly 7% just to stand still – or spending must be CUT by 7%, which is what Labour are proposing but will not admit. At least the Tories are.
Further Tax rises are out – he has overtaxed and squandered the proceeds, further tax rises will only drive businesses out of the UK and make the situation worse. They are the real wealth creators.
Surely to goodness you do not think money grows on trees – like Labour MPs?
He speaks for me. Last night Brown lied about never lying. Unbelievable. Even more unbelievable that some could not even see it for the lie that it was.
McSnotgobbler and the Paradox of the Liar.
The funny thing is he doesn’t seem to realise how he’s entrapping himself in a web of contradiction, absurdity and falsehood. Watching him stew is quite delicious.
http://www.philosophers.co.uk/cafe/paradox1.htm
Perhaps you could replace some of the soundbites in your posts with facts? That might generate reasoned responses.
Tick…Tick… Tick…
Anatole Kaletsky in today’s ‘Times’:
‘Two of the most familiar aphorisms in progressive politics are Nye Bevan’s famous comment that “socialism is the language of priorities” and the age-old cliché that “to govern is to choose”. Now Gordon Brown has brought these hoary old slogans up to date for the age of post-Blairite new Labour. For Mr Brown today, socialism is the language of pretences and to govern is to cheat.
This may sound harsh, but it seems the only reasonable explanation of the Prime Minister’s pretence that he will expand public spending throughout the next Parliament, in spite of the mathematical certainty that he or his successor will, in fact, cut spending drastically in 2011 and beyond’.
Fuck me, has that twat eventually written something sensible? What is te world coming to?
The Penguin
Nope, same old same old wrongness….
Of course, he’s not totally bonkers at all….
“I hereby confess that on or about January 14, 2008, acting of my own free will, not under the influence of any drug and aware of the consequences of my actions, I wrote the following statements in The Times: “The global credit crisis, far from taking a turn for the worse, is now almost over” and “There will be no US recession” and “Stock markets around the world will rise in 2008″.
Anatole Kaletsky | December 30, 2008
Son,
perhaps you should come back to the shoe shop.
Your attack on Kaletsky is justified (indeed the case is strengthened by the fact that his comments were not only absurdly wrong, but also by the fact that he has a big investment in fund managers GavKal – whose interests were furthered by his bizarre assessment).
However, he was spot on in his analysis leading up to Norman Lamont’s ‘Blakc Wednesday’ and in his scathing attack on the Prime Minister. This is not due to Mr Kaletshy’s predictive powers (clearly decidedly dodgy). Instead it rests upon simple maths – and Mr Brown has already told us that mathematics was not his strong point.
Have i missed something,the 0% rise & the Royal Mail got all the headlines.
It was a bad day for Labour,but it should have been worse.
Brown said we cannot have a spending review because economic growth in coming years was to uncertain,and the Treasury could not forecast under those conditions.
However after the OECD,Mervyn King said the Government did not have a debt reduction plan couple days ago,Brown said debt would come down based on…….Treasury growth figures.
Someone wake you Team Cameron there’s a open goal going.
I DONT LIE!! YEAH RIGHT GORDY!!
Unfortunately Camagoon misses all the open goals. The country needs shod of this lot but is Camagoon up to it?
The simple facts are that Cameron has to live in the real world.
He can’t go around publicly smearing and making up things about Gordon, the way all the clowns on here do almost ritualistically with nary the slighest concern as to substance.
He has to pretend that his PMQs smoke and mirrors schtick means something, even though he knows it does not, as Clegg observed yesterday.
There is no open goal.
Just lots of right-wing blogs throwing mud in the vain hope that some might stick.
Don’t confuse your smears and propaganda for reality. That’s always a big mistake.
Totally correct
we can’t have unethical spin doctors throwing lies around.
Look at the trouble that David Kelly got himself in to.
No, we need moral communicators like Damian.
Absolutely.
And to salute this new spirit of openess and transparency, here’s some of George Osborne’s fibs which have been independently verified as dodgy wodgy makey uppy stuff:
Osborne has been criticised very heavily by the popular Channel 4 News ‘FactCheck’ item. FactCheck gives a rating from one to five for political claims where “the lower end of the scale indicates that the claim in question largely checks out, while the upper end suggests misrepresentation, exaggeration and a massaging of statistics and/or language. In the unlikely event that we award a 5 out of 5, our FactCheckers have concluded that the claim under examination has absolutely no basis in fact.” [19] For example, Osborne’s critique of Gordon Brown’s pensions tax was described as “an absurd exaggeration” (receiving a rating of 4 out of 5) [20]. Osborne’s claims about tax rises have also been given a 4 out of 5 rating, and criticised for not having “very much to do with the actual facts of the case. Nor does it make much of a useful commentary on what is actually happening in the economy.” [21
Yet more smoke and mirrors, Carlos. Can you ask your bosses for a fresh script?
Please!
I’ll be with you in 45 minutes
We won’t
Nor us
Better than Gordon throwing a lot of other people’s money at problems of his own making that he doesn’t understand and is hoping that some of the money will stick.
The IMF, the BoE , the Chancellor, the World Bank and the EU Central Bank and the President of Iran are all saying that Gordon’s fucked up good and proper.
Your total denial of the reality of the situation merely makes you an object of contemptuous humour. Go and have a look at Tom Harris’ blog. At least he has an inkling of the mess his party is in.
Here’s a game we can all play on a hot day like this – every time one of the ‘usual suspects’ posts a – usually longer and coherently worded – post that obviously isn’t in their usual duckspeak style and seems to eerily mirror the Party Pronouncements of the following week, imagine the withering blast of halitosis-ridden breath, that every now and then, wafts over the hapless operator’s right shoulder, and the clammy hand placed flat on their left one telling them it’s time to ‘take a mandatory screen break’ and let their line supervisor take over the posting for a bit…
#154 No.
Can we enter Brown into the Worlds biggest liar competition?
I’m a compulsive liar – get me out of here.
i going to get taxed at 50% get me a ipl contract
I don’t have to pay capital gains tax.
Nor do I, mate
World’s Biggest Liar is an annual competition for telling lies, held in Cumbria, England. Competitors from around the world have five minutes to tell the biggest and most convincing lie they can.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World’s_Biggest_Liar
They’d have no chance against this bunch of crooks.
Oh I don’t know. After all, the good Conservative members tell the truth all the time, as one honest backbencher put it. He then asked me if I would do his flowerbeds “on the quiet, old boy, you know,” as he touched his snout conspirationally.
Politicians and journalists are not allowed to enter. The competition is strictly amateur
How about “No more boom and bust”?
The value of currencies is not absolute but relative.
What has in effect been supporting the pound is the weakness of the dollar.
The Chinese have formally asked for a debate on the replacement of the dollar as the Global Reserve Currency.
See Telegraph.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/5712737/China-tables-debate-on-replacing-dollar.html
The pound will become considerable weaker if or when it has to be compared to a stronger currency than the dollar.
It is likely that commodities would be repriced in a new reserve currency.
Where does the assertion “value of currencies is not absolute” come from.
The value of a currency could be viewed as absolute against a basket of things you could buy. (But Arguably the value of nothing (copper, gold, salt, beads) is absolute)
Currency traders do compare the pound to all sorts of currencies – typically the news looks at € and $ but presumably thats because they matter in terms of size and relevance to Britain’s trade.
Who is it that only looks at $/£ ?
Unfortunately, people who would not be fooled if you said “Look! A purple flying submarine!” may be a easily fooled by bogus statistics, because they are ‘maths’ (Oo-er, I could never get on with maths at school, giggle, help it’s got numbers). Instead, we can ask simple question such as, if spending on X is going to go up by 10%, where’s the money coming from?
FFS , jack straw saying Ronnie Biggs has to stay banged up ‘because he hasn’t shown any remorse for his actions’.
Very dangerous argument for one of these hoons to deploy ! Anyone who has been near the cabinet in the last ten years, can look forward to several life sentences , as per jack.
Of course Ronnie’s got to stay in the nick, there’s no “Peace Dividend” in letting him out.
Anyway, Ronnie didn’t bomb or murder anyone, did he?
A “Real and present danger” he is!
Well, actually, he did kill somebody, a train guard who suffered severe brain damage when he coshed. He survived just long enough for it not to be murder. Biggs is just a thief, nothing more.
Today with a decent lawyer and a hard luck story (irrelevant really because the prisons are full but the system needs to appear to function) maybe ten years and out in five?
He was banked up for robbery, NOT MURDER.
Not a train guard, Sir William, but the driver, Jack Mills. He died from the consequences of a blow to the head “kindly” administered to him by a member of the Gang. Since his death occurred more than a year and a day after the incident, it could not, unfortunately, be classed as murder.
Although I have absolutely no truck with, or sympathy for, Biggs and his mates, this decision by Straw is clearly an act of political cowardice. Straw does not want to be pilloried by the Tabloids as being “the man who let Ronnie Biggs go free”. This has nothing to do with the law, justice or appropriateness of punishment – it is just cheap politicking.
Jack Mills died of leukemia 7 years after the robbery. Biggs was not the assailant. I say release him to make room for an MP.
Agree with Australian, and English Viking. Strange mixture I know! Jack the Straw is a typical newlabour coward, afraid of the howls of derision he would receive from the red tops. But brave enough to deny knowledge of rendition, claim substantial expenses, and call himself, – The Minister of Justice! He’s also turned his back on a football fan’s possible transgression. For the same reason as above I presume.
Brown is a more real (in a demented sort of way) and present danger to the UK – why isn’t he in gaol – forever – throw away the key and all that????
It’s a pity he wasn’t related to me, he would have gotten bail and a US visa by right of inheritance! And as for that brother of mine…
Not much remorse from our thieving MPs either. Presumably we will be stuck with them for a while yet?
If Gordon Brown refuses to show any “remorse” then dish out the same treatment as Jack Straw is handing out to Ronnie Biggs.
Ronnie Biggs would get my vote though.
At least Biggs is man enough to admit he is a criminal parasite.
A new slogan I think…
Investment through cuts.
New cuts, the way forward.
Safe cuts with Labour.
The only cuts you can trust.
Moral cuts.
Minus 10% Growth!
More investment in this recession than the last Tory one.
Cutting now… for a great future.
Started with Thatcher.
Cu*ts are us.
Interesting how they are all now worrying about what the electorate think. Seems now like ages ago when we were dismissed as an irrelevant appendige to the EU debate.
We should relish these moments when Gordon is casting around for reasons why the Labour party are so unpopular: could be disunity in the Labour party; could be Jaqui Smiths mug etc.
Draem on Gordon and ask not for whom the bell tolls…..
Come off it!
All that you’ld hear from Lord Fondlebum of Boy is a comparison of Broon the Hoon to Jesus and Biggs to Barabbas. “You let a crim go free and you’ve locked up the ’saviour’ of the nation.”
Stop all your moaning. God, it’s enough to make me stop taking my anti-schizo drugs!
Tell you what, Gordon. Why don’t you just resign and then you can have a nice long holiday.
But then I’d miss out on my master plan for destroying England so the UK can be renamed Scotlandonia.
Stop taking the drugs Gordon!
We have so much more fun when you don’t take the perphenazine. I will look after you if you stop taking them.
You can then carry on telling the truth Gordon. I’ll take care of everything else. Don’t worry.
I take care of you Gordon. Remember that.
Gordon well knows that the state of the economy is dire. That’s why they refused to show the books to Osborne. Once the figures become public they know they will be history so they’ll drag it out for as long as possible.
Why can’t we all see the books?
Why doesn’t the FoI act apply to the spending of our money?
Waugh has posted good piece on Brown’s useless performance at PMQs yesterday:
http://waugh.standard.co.uk/2009/07/why-todays-pmqs-mattered.html
This was a man with the stench of decay around him.
I know he’s lying when he stutters a lot. He did that during Toenails’ interview.
Carlos Marcos
The point is Carlos,Brown has stated the UK has a debt reduction plan because of growth predictions at the Budget,just days ago after the BOE and OECD said otherwise.
He said yeaterday that we cannot have a spending review because it is impossible to make growth predictions.
Brown is talking shit as usual,its not the Tory’s making these lies he is doing it all by himself,he is contridicting himself.
How will the credit agencies take the above statements,they like we will think he is a fucking retard and strip our AAA rating.
Standby for a run on Sterling. 25-30% collapse against the Euro before the year’s end.
How much have you managed to convert into euros so far?
Is your money where your mouth is?
Too bloody right. Vested interests or what!
The Euro and Dollar will also fall.But when?
Whoa, not yet, not yet!!! Starting a new job being paid in Euro’s next month!!!
That’s Diageo shedding 700 jobs from the safe Labour seat of Kilmarnock and Loudoun (MP Des Brown) and creating 400 new ones in the “not so safe seat” of Leven in Fife (MP Lindsay Roy). I’m sure that Diagio’s decision to basically screw Kilmarnock (“The home of Johnny Walker”) was in no way influenced by the presence on their board of Labour Peer “Lord Hollick of Notting Hill” and his friendship with another Fife MP.
Incidentally, it seems the main reason for closing the Kilmarnock plant is its lack of “good transport links”. I guess the West Coast Main Line, sitting ten yards south of the factory gates was just a couple of yards too far.
Not that I’m suggesting Labour is now calling in the favours for the relaxation of the drink laws by Tony and Tessa! Heaven forbid!
How could you be so cynical? Gordon’s moral compass would never let him do anything so corrupt. Would it?
The Penguin
Well said, the machinations of politics are a cess pit. I sometimes wish I knew nothing about politics, but I’d have to be dead.
Facts and figures can be spun to advantage by all. Most people get the gist of Cammo’s attack,but trying to show percentages and growth forecasts goes over most peoples heads. Brown can quote tractor stats till the cows come home.
Would he not be better focusing on Browns personality failings,and trying to goad him into reacting. After all,Brown cannot stomach personal criticism,as was shown by his discomfort at Hannan’s EU attack,and the question in the house some weeks ago,referring to bullying in the workplace. This is surely his weakest point
The problem with personal attacks, is that the public don’t like it. I don’t like GB at all, but personal jibes don’t help the situation and draw away from the real agenda.
I don’t know – I love seing personal attacks on Brown. The nastier and more spitefl the better. He’s a nasty, spiteful bastard himself and he deserves everything he gets. It’s the only way to deal with a bully, give him his own medicine.
Cameron should wait as it looks like the Labour party will get rid of the Brown/Balls/Mandelson triumvirate on their own.
Cameron should keep a “red handed” “bang to rights” example of an outright lie just to help proceedings along when the time is right.
However, we should remember, Brown will be easier to beat in an election than his replacement.
Personaaly I’d like to see Cameron grab the mace and bash Snotty’s head in with it, before twatting as many other NuLiebore front bench wankers as he could. I’m sure there’d be an avalanche of other Tories right behind him to hand out a thorough kicking.
The Penguin
peguin i like you way of thinking i bring me bat
Yeah but do it smart like Dan Hannan and it hurts him even more!
There’s lots Dave could go for. I’ve suggested rocking from left to right so as to keep getting out of “good eye” contact then making a sudden lurching movement towards him so McDoom poos his pants. Trouble with Dave is he’s too sporting to do it. Also might not do much for the dignity of the State. Ha, ha, ha
Brown cannot bear to look incompetent and can never admit mistakes.It seems to me that this gives Cameron ample scope to attack past mistakes from a political angle in a way which,as you say, will goad Brown eventually into a reaction.
please please don’t respond to the baiting, you know what I mean, it only makes it worse. let the comment go. ignore it and just post your own comments. Guido you should do something about it.
Guido should not. We should all be free to make arses of ourselves. Guido is not Big Brother.
tax lad your right now wheres that peadlo
Oaf GuidOrcs, do something, how very funny, classic!
Education, Education, Education
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/5714809/Kick-in-the-teeth-for-students-as-grants-are-frozen.html
or then again, maybe not
I’m surprised (and/or out of touch and confused). I thought student grants were a thing of the past. Like a cassette walkman or renting televisions.
Still available if on lower income
or if your parents have put most of their money off-shore; are living off the produce of the estate they retired to and drawing down capital to keep their taxable income very low. Under these circumstances the kids are getting the education maintenance allowance too before they ever get to university.
Too bloody right! Third son starts next term and he will be the first to get anything from the state. I made sure of that!
“I’ve always told the truth”
There is an interview on the Beeb website with Robinson asking Screaming Lord Brown about his honesty. About half way through he snaps “I’ve always told the truth” and you can see in his eye he really wants to pick up the nearest nokia and try and beat his record by lobbing it right in Robinsons face
This man sends a shivver up my spine
Here’s the link
I have just seen it for the first time. What a chilling interview. I see what you mean about the eyes. And always looking away from the camera through the window did you notice that?
For God’s sake and for his sake, he really needs to go, never is he up to being a prime minister.
Quite. His upper lip retracts and his top teeth revealed in a Joker like grin when he is uncomfortable. Loved the camera work!
Agreed, he looked SO pissed off and then at the end tried to do that weird smile thing again.
On the bright side his life must be sheer misery at the moment.
On LBC this morning Nick Ferrari asked if anyone has sympathy for Brown after yesterday’s mauling on PMQ.
Barely 2 emailed or phoned to say they had and he got so many comments slating Brown he stopped reading them out otherwise the whole show would have been dominated by 90% of Londoners giving Brown a kicking.
Music to my ears!
They have already started making cuts. There are gas in the transport budget and student loans/ grants are being held while tuition fees are being increased.
“I always tell the truth”=Jackson only had a nose job
He never had any surgery – it was a skin disease –
“I’ve always told the truth”
” I never had sexual relations with that woman”
“I’ve always told the truth…”
McDoom has to keep having his nose bobbed too!
I know this might go against the grain in here but I wonder what the real problem is? Despite the real difficulties this country is in and the dire state of the prime minister and the labour party, there still is not the clamour for the conservative party, is there?
I don’t have an explanation myself. I’m not saying that Brown will win the next election, but what is the problem with Dave and his party. Let’s face it, there still is a problem, still only in the high 30’s or low 40’s per cents. Blair in 97 was way out in front for ages and there was a clamour for change. It was hardly a surprise when he won.
How do you close the deal? People do want to buy your product but you can’t close the deal? Why?
no manifesto yet ?
Charles?
Stop talking about product and fuck off Charles.
no it’s not charles, just a regular blogger honestly trying to understand why cameron is not in the high 40’s as he should be by now. I certainly wish he was.
It’s been suppressed by the expenses scandal – hopefully some of those being tracked as supporting UKIP will come back into the fold for the GE.
whats worse that 24 % of people will vote for the bonkers one
Lay of the sauce a bit Freddie and it could be yours again one day
no lad will be cooks next
Hope away. they won’t.
I can’t understand it either Anon 72 & 125: given the devastating state of UK’s debt, the really poor personal performance of Brown and a lightweight cabinet why aren’t the Tories riding higher than they are?
There’s an old saying that oppositions don’t win elections; governments lose them.
The Tories are just waiting for Labour to lose. That’s what all the smears are about; additional wounding etc. It’s also why the Tories don’t seem to stand for anything.
The only problem is that the old saying is wrong.
Tony won and Thatcher won because of positive perceptions of them. The negativity of their predecessors was merely ancilliary.
Cameron and Osborne are heading for at best a hung parliament with their tactics.
From Brown’s display at pmq it’s Labour waiting for Labour to lose. Has he given up the ghost?
Blair stood for nothing except his own ego. He hijacked a free ride to power on the least resistant party.
Granted DC and Os play it safe – far TOO safe. I’m no fan.
But until NuLab are willing to take an honest look at their own recent past – from opposition – frankly you go nowhere.
Blair/Brown ran a government of deceit, illegal wars and torture.
An unequivocal apology even it is simply to oneself must be just that – UNEQUIVOCAL. None of this ‘yes we did this….but they’re so much worse’.
Look in the mirror.
There’s no point in saying NOW that Blair stood for nothing except his own ego and the wars etc.
The point is that Blair looked like a knight in shining armour to the electorate in 1997, something he’d carefully honed and cultivated since he’d been made shadow Home Sec.
The point is there was immense positive vibes for him rather than just a negivity towards the sleazy old Tories.
You need more than just waiting for the government to lose.
You have to exude positivity yourself, and Cameron and Osborne show nothing of that. Their strategy is lazy and lacking.
Personally, I think David Davis might have achieved something like that with proposals to wholescale reform of our authoritarian society. He was an early mover, so to speak, and in the light of what happened subsequently I think people would have been quite naturally drawn to him.
IOW. He’s someone who was quite clearly speaking to the issues of his day, as Blair seemed to be in his time.
Dave and Osborne just don’t look the ticket.
So you are suggesting Blair leads Labour into the next election ?
Blair spoke very little of issues – just slogans ‘things can only get better’. And yes it worked – on the back of huge disaffection and a zeitgeist of ‘we need change’.
I take no issue with what you say about DC and Os. They don’t capture that.
I was trying to make a constructive point about Labour. Democracy needs both a government and opposition that is representative and that can appeal to a true constituency of ideals.
Labour’s tank is running dry. Keep screaming down the tories – fine (the ‘you’ you express with regard DC and Os is not me!).
But ultimately if the Labour party is to survive, something more profound has to take place.
Turning a blind eye to your own shadow (respect Jung!) won’t take anything party forward. I mean this with respect to the labour movement as a whole – no personal basis.
“No point in saying NOW that Blair stood for nothing….the wars etc”
wars ETC – we’re talking about parents losing sons ETC
Sadly I’m never so succinct!
The old lies live on. The Electorate have been told for so long that Tories eat Babies and that Baroness Thatcher is the cause of all the sin in the world that they believe it.
Another year of disintegrating Labour should put those misapprehensions to rest.
It was Teresa May who told everyone, everyone who didn’t already know, that the Tories are the nasty party.
Theresa May – Conservative Party Conference speech 7 Oct 2002
Theresa May – Conservative Shadow Secretary of State for Work and Pensions
Admittedly Cameron has been trying to de-nastify the Conservative party recently, but he’s a ways to go methinks.
There’s still some right loons lurking in local councils and on the back benches. The longer it takes him to get rid of them the less likely his de-nastifying is in being successful.
Labour !
Destroy civil liberties
Government Surveillance
Foreign Wars
Government by rich cliques for rich cliques
Nationalisation and corporatism
National plans and targets
Where do I join ?
You’re comments are a breath of fresh air.
However please, please, please don’t use the word ‘methinks’, please.
She said that others thought of the Tories as The nasty party.
If you’re going to tell a lie, make it a good one.
If we have policies from previous centuries why not use the language ?
Brown is a poor Caudillo, he runs away from elections instead of ensuring the correct result.
Why not try that Griffin – he’s got one eye and the policies are the same.
Whiffler – I think you have just exposed Carlos as being JG Brown himself. No-one else could tell such transparent lies and think no-one would notice!!
Will Darling be Brown’s Howe?
More on the feud of Darling vs Brown & Mandelson from PB. Includes links to both Waugh’s post and nice piece in First Post on this.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2009/07/02/another-day-another-end-game-scenario/
Deregulate the mortgage market!
One gets the feeling Darling has just been TOO quiet lately. Balls is trying to do his job even though he was never chosen for it. That must irk.
Darling, like the old Trot he is, is plotting in the shadows.
Isn’t he already Brown’s Ho’ ?
I have always told the truth!
That’s my boy!
pensioners dig deep, put your money in the plate because the Brown family want beef on the table every Sunday.
Completely O/T, but this report from the Telegraph on Andy Murray’s victory yesterday suggests he won’t be winning Wimbledon after all.
‘Prime Minister Gordon Brown added his congratulations and said: “I saw much of the match when he did so brilliantly.
“You could see the reaction of the crowd that they were so impressed by his determination and his performance. I wish him well.”‘
keep him away from me and the lads
Andy Murray has had the “lucky” or “rigged” draw, he has only met one serious seeded player so far in Wawrinka, the rest have been low ranked players.
He made the semi with the easiest route I have ever seen in Wimbledon.
Not unlike a certain G Brown getting to be PM then
or strauss as england skipper
I hear nasty whispers. Freddie not a hero, Freddie a relic.
you wait till i get stuck in to those aussies
We’re waiting Freddie – have you missed the bus again ;-) See you in Cardiff next week!
Surely the Scottish would never stoop to cheating, or lying, or even throwing Nokias? Doesn’t their strong sense of moral turpitude prevent this sort of thing?
The Penguin
and he is the son of a manse
Is a “manse” scottish for “bitch”?
Don’t mention ‘turpitude’, Freddie will think it’s a drink.
So much for “I’m just getting on with the job”. It’ll be a round of Croquet next!
The Kingdom is bereft of money.
The cuts must be instant and deep. Not deferred or momentary or shallow or symbolic.
Instant and deep now to save our country from utter ruin and prolonged, universal poverty.
Incidentally, any one recall a certain daring and veracious Tory MP from Sussex suspended in 2005 for declaring that Tories if victorious would have cut deeper than they had stated publicly?
A Tory win in ‘05 and those necessary retrenchments in government expenses would have eased the pain now.
bereft of money….
I’m bereft of hope as well
and rational thought
can’t we just put him out of our misery???
who’s stopping you?
The Great Lump of Misery said in PMQs that it would be wrong to undertake a spending review now, “in the middle of a recession”. So Gordon estimates that the recession will last for at least another year. After that, the economy may recover to, say, 0% growth.
Does this mean that at last we can talk about, “Do Nothing Labour”?
Cameron should start to focus on how he is going to pay for all his spending.
With the cost of higher unemployment, public pensions as baby boomers retire, increasing debt service costs and falling tax revenues the money is not there. Even voters in labour Northen heartlands that they treat with such contempt know from painful personal experience that you cannot spend more than you earn without bad consequences.
labour has enjoyed fanatastic tax income over the past 12 years and still Transport, Crime, Health and Education, Education, Education are in disarray. They messed it up, how do they expect us to beleive they can now fix it.
It is funny how the only minister not talking about the economy is Darling. It looks like Balls and Mandelson have locked him in a celler. He is certainly does not appear to be in control of policy.
I pity Cameron, as like Obama he will accept a poison chalice in trying to sort out this mess and the longer in takes to remove the Balls/Mandelson putsch the worse things will be.
Pity the imposed weakness and misery of your compatriots and the American people.
Not their leaders!
If they desire the glory and power of public office, then they must bear the burdens as well, principally of which is to improve the operations of government not abuse it as a vehicle to create what their fancy delights in, as if society were a virtual reality nation-builder game.
The Prime Mentalist is to become a statistic. Round about May next year I think – unless the bunker boys grow some balls (not the Ed Cock variety) and decide to take the knives to him
Hang-on, he meant to say “zero point seven percent rise in 2013-14″.
Hansard hasn’t been corrected, but treasury papers support this position.
A little weak to hang a story on him mis-speaking.
The craziness comes when you hear specious gobbledy-gook like:
“I accept full responsibility, that’s why I sacked the person responsible” over the sacking of D McB.
My son Gordon always speaks the truth!
Hansard is correct and The Treasury figures will be corrected shortly. Watch your vile mouth worm!
The dillusional statement about abolishing boom and bust was based on the never ending stream of financial services revenue allowing NewLiars to continue the subjugation of the UK State and regulate every part of society apart from the geese that were laying the golden eggs who were allowed to operate with complete abandon.
Lets face it, the economy was on it’s knee before the crunch started only sustained by the financial sector shovelling huge amounts of tax into the Treasury. Along came the crunch. Gordon was like the guy at the casino that had bet the whole shooting match on red and the ball dropped into black. Busted.
No wonder they are reticeint to open up the books. Revenue streams are drying up fast and all of their pipe dream schemes are still at full steam ahead.
In business parlence NewLiars are now operating a “longfirm”. It’s only a matter of time before the money runs out and the printing presses cease.
Forget about gold plated pensions for the public sector I can see a scenario where staff in public service will be waiting for their wages…..
Ponzi economy. Low grade people. Road to ruin. It’s finished.
Gordon has shorted the economy, that’s all. He spends really fast then when the shit hits the fan he fucks off and lets Cameroon sort out the repayment.
Clever really, isn’t it?
I would like to learn a clever trick like this so that I could do the same. Trouble is that I gave my address when I should have redacted it
I’m just powdering my nose. I’ll be out to sing in a minute.
Politicians, statisticians, company executives deserve scorn and ridicule when resorting to terms such as “0% rise”, “Zero growth”, “negative growth”, where the adjective used contradicts the meaning of a noun
This is nothing new – Winterthur life sends me a statement each year for my underperforming endowment policy declaring ‘Here is your Bonus Statement for the Year’: and a “Bonus Rate of 0%”
Economic growth figures should be weighted for inflation, after all, 2% growth with 2% inflation is really stagnation
Is that negative stagnation or positive stagnation?
Point well made!
I must take exception. Gordon Brown is a supremely gifted man and it’s for this reason alone that he might appear bored, easily distracted and flippant. He is a giant amongst pigmes. Instead of your constant criticism, such a person needs a free reign. Parliamentary process is not for the likes of Gordon. Give him an office, a big computer and let him run EVERYTHING HIS WAY.
He’s been getting a free reign and its time he was throne out
He should give Margaret a free rein (get your spelling right, Royalty reigns.)
pYgmies
rUin
Throne out and Royally punished!
Respect!
Just for God’s sake don’t connect it to anything!
So gordon is going to cut £690million from the Communities budget to raise some of the funds for his ‘vote winning’ proposal to build 30,000 new homes.
The cost is 200,000 council homes, which are some of the worst in Britain, which will now have to be left in disrepair (because that’s what the money had been earmarked for).
Good choice gordon, 30,000 houses which won’t even be built by the time of the next GE at a cost of 200,000 families left living in appalling conditions. Don’t think this will influence your election chances for the better.
‘Twas always thus. The country does not need more houses building. There are one million empty houses, many in a state of disrepair and most in the ownership of government, local and national. Who cares about sustainability when you can give your voters shiny new houses and they can throw away the nasty old ones (with their lack of flat screen tellies and no barbecue pit FFS). Give them bread and circus. Preferably on a bit of tory greenbelt.
And then there’s his ‘green villages’ – which even most greens consider a bad idea.
Just words…. By the time they get the necessary permissions tied up in the red tape of their own making, the election will be a distant memory. New Liars are the experts in making life difficult with their regulations to stifle free enterprise.
The relevant exclamation is:
Liar! Liar! Nappies on Fire!
(probably been used a thousand times here already)
Who is “Ms Izzet”?
Who pays her salary?
There’s a bigger story here..
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/3727551/the-schools-secretary-forgets-where-he-is.thtml
see http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1171834/BLACK-DOG-Sorry-isnt-hardest-word-Gordon.html?ITO=1490
First line reads “Civil servant Balshan Izzet, Mad Dog Damian McBride’s long-suffering girlfriend”
The Balls/McBride link as strong as ever…
Not sure how Fawkes will take to being called ’scabrous’ , ( presume in the ’salacious’ sense. ) OTOH , you know what they say about free publicity.
Still, only a few more months and the personnel department will be under fresh management and dirty damians’ records will be available for scrutiny. Mustn’t grumble.
Swine Flu strategy statement @ 12:30. I think I read yesterday that there’s a 200% increase in 7 days. If the figures are better than that, I’m sure Burnhim will be made up.
Under a Tory government there would have been savage cuts – the Labour party is the party of swine.
…what I actually said was that I was abolishing “Boon” – the character played by Michael Elphick in the light-hearted drama centred around two middle-aged ex-firemen, Ken Boon and Harry Crawford
And you didn’t manage that either; they’re regularly on Dave TV or Men & Motors!
I always liked the young Neil Morrissey in those shows, and was glad to see him go on to other things such as Men Behaving Badly, and shagging Amanda Holden behind Les Dennis’ back. (mmmmm, Britains Got Talent).
Should have abolished Hoon.
The Penguin
To paraphrase a little…….Gorgon knows he is a liar, we know he is a liar and he knows that we know that he is a liar. But do the general public at large realise this or even care?
I fear that all this bluster, along with the skewed FPTP system, will return this lunatic for another five years.
UK manufacturing productivity down 8.3% in last year.
do we make anything expect wire and lamposts?
Methane
sticky labels
Sticky label factory in Swansea closed last year.
‘Production’, surely, not ‘productivity’? Productivity tends to go up in a recession because the least efficient businesses go bust first.
you bucking for a job in the Treasury? You seem amply qualified.
real world fella: manufacturing output in UK’s gone off a cliff; e.g. vehicle production around half of last year’s level but no. of workers employed hardly changed; therefore productivity, output per worker/unit labour costs, go through the floor/roof respectively. Stick to the textbooks; rthere’s enough fuckers running around already.
To lose one East Coast Franchisee is carelessness,to lose a second two years looks like a deliberatley lame excuse for nationalisation.
Broon’s Scorched Earth Ecoomic Policy, a return to the spendthrift incompetence of nationalisation from the late 1940s. Another joyless age of austerity thanks to the great Goron Brown, may his lights be punched out.
I think the whole franchise thing for the railways is a crock of shit. They privatised it at way under value, fucked up a vital part of national infrastucture and the result is the most expensive train fares in Europe for a disjointed network. I am against Natioalisation but infrastucture for the Nation should not be lining the pockets of shareholders at the Nations expense.
Agreed. The nationalisation of the railways was poorly thought through and was rushed through as one of the last acts of the dying Major government.
In this neck of the woods, the service is all geared to getting punters into London but little consideration is given to local journeys nowadays.
Oh, and the continual ‘please be on alert for suspicious Arabs’ announcements and the like are getting on my nerves. I feel that a train journey is now just another opportunity at indoctrination.
Got to agree. I’m all for everyone getting on their bikes and making their own way in life.
However, I think certain parts of national infrastructure should be not be run at the whim of speculative investors and venture capitalists.
Give people the chance to make a business work by providing transport, power, water and communications as efficiently and as cheaply as possible. No dividends to shareholders, all profits to be re-invested.
Therefore no investment.
Brown tries to Muscle in on Murray and share the credit:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_VtzJPpPxkgw/SkvpRrBVJTI/AAAAAAAAAd4/Jv02vpLQTt8/s1600-h/murray+letter+no10.jpg
That’s it’s then, put your house on Ferderer.
has he mentioned the ashes yet ? can we get him to wish the ausses well ?
The NewLiar arguement on public spending is flawed. They talk is if this is some sort of sacred cow and to cut Public Spending is somehow detremental to the UK economy.
The bureaucracy does not prduce wealth. Whats needed is targeted investment in the Private Sector by Government to produce jobs that create wealth at the expense of the hundreds of thounsands of non jobs this administration has created.
Simple example: LDV is going bust.
Take it into public ownership for 3-5 years, invest in plant and design and leave it to a top management to turn it around, then, issue a directive that all council’s and governmnet light vans being ordered by tender have to be produced in the UK. Same should apply to cars for the Police and NHS.
Against EU rules? well I don’t see many state vehicles in Germany that are not German or French bureaucrats driving anything but Citroen/Peugeot.
LDV would not have gone bust had the UK bought their vehicles instead of spending One billion of our dosh to support M.A.N.
The LDV vehicle would have been a pattern copy of a US military truck, blueprints owned by a subsidiary of Brit Aerospace, built by LDV, parts sourced/made locally. British money for British product made by British workers in British factories.
Funny how there was no cash to help LDV, but plenty for Labour to support Austrian lorry makers. Time will tell if Blair bought the EU presidency with our money and LDV jobs.
If they had done that with British Leyland instead of allowing government agencies of all kinds to buy whatever they wanted, we might still have a motor industry to call our own. To hell with anti-competitive EU rules, it’s called common sense. You won’t see the Japanese police running around in BMWs – ever.
The British have an industrial death wish expressed in the form of a stupid idea of fair play, in which selling off national assets to foreigners is considered to be a brilliant piece of advanced economic logic. Actually it is unbelievably destructive of national pride (ours is gone) and no other country is so utterly thick as to fall for these Economist/ FT fantasies invoking level playing fields and fair trade. There is no such thing, guess what, the rest of the world actually do want to steal our markets and our jobs, and pick up our valuable technology and intellectual property for peanuts if possible. Observe the Chinese press laughing at the dimwitted British for selling them an immensely valuable brand like MG for next to nothing, while Brown pays the Longbridge ex-workers with a lifetime of engineering behind them to go and stack shelves in Tescos. Clever stuff, eh?
Now where are the people who have actually run a real business, let’s get them to run the country for a change instead of all these political bullshitters.
correct. French cars are not out of this world but the French buy them; they’re not stupid; they back their own. Latest sales figures show Renault and Peugeot/Citroen having 55% of the French new car market, up from around 50% last year. Brits are greedy and stupid.
It’s all been said mate, you’re right. Even yesterday Sarkozy attacking Brown, saying that he actually invested in french manufacturing, where there is an actual asset available like car plants etc, instead of funding non wealth creating jobs.
It has to be said too, that mass immigration has helped bring this country to it knees, so many unskilled people coming here for an easy economic life.
De acuerdo
Manufacturing unions must be completely nuts to continue to fund Labour.
They wrecked pensions, have no industrial policy , push off-shoring and have heaped on regualtion to kill what’s left.
There is a Nu Labour cancer running through the civel service.
IT HAS TO BE CUT OUT.
Here we have the perfect gift for anyone who misleads Parliament (and by extension, the people of the nation).
http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/01/python-skin-covered-hoon-headphones-likely-to-get-peta-in-an-upr/
Liar Brown and his cabal of lairs have created a dividing line between the economic reality set out in the Government’s books and their bare faced reliance upon lies, and insane denial of reality.
The question is will Labour’s client state of professional benefits scroungers, state employed paper shufflers, and the millions permitted to declare themselves unfit for work, rouse themsleves to shuffle down to the polling station to rescue these economic vandals.
This whole thing reminds me of an episode from Red Dwarf – the one where the crew discover the “Despair Squid” and they suddenly find out that they have been playing a “reality computer game” and that they really aren’t the characters they think – the ultra-cool “Cat” becoming the dorkish “Duane Dibley”.
Brown is like “Duane Dibley” -inhabiting his own computer reality – a sort of “Second life” game – the one where he is an economic genius who has saved the world from financial meltdown;whose own countries economy is a beacon of rectitude and good management with unlimited amounts of cash to spend on his ever more unrealistic and unachievable grandiose spending plans and where his grateful and adoring electorate praise him and his party at every turn and that he will be assured of a magnificent election victory. Unfortunately despite the efforts of his “new”best friend Peter who in reality is also the games administrator – his other co-players, especially Alistair and Mervyn ,keep trying to unplug Gordon’s console and ban him from playing the game anymore.
It is totally pointless trying to convince Brown as he is totally obsessed with this game and he feels that he is actually not to blame for any of the present mess and honestly does not believe that his announcements are treated with growing scepticism by both economic advisors and the electorate. He is unable to comprehend reality and actually believes every piece of rubbish that he spouts irrespective of the evidence that may be produced to the contrary.
A charitable view is that he needs a holiday in the hope that he can re-acquire a grip on reality.The less than charitable view is that he needs to be replaced as a danger to the country
Does anyone happen to know how much the ‘closing in’ on benefit cheats tv ad campaign costs? And, moreover, why they have started running them again now? Grubby subclass oiks in oily clothes shagging people they’re not married to are obviously so much more a social danger than tax cheats and MPs who break the laws…..
There are loads of people shagging people they are not married to!
£85 million was the cost of the last one.
But SIR Michael Shite and co will still be cheering for the mentally derranged gay one from Scotland.
I think that Wacko Jocko meant that he had 0% chance of ever seeing another Labour government
LOL
like the name
Great link to the pdf Guido – just the thing this tyro needs, but MSM keep hidden
sham ur boned
Why respond to the Master of moronic Baiters?
The policies he eschews are now so discredited as they have been repeatedly espoused decade after decade by brain dead lefties that to give him credence insults other bloggers.
The world has moved on. There is no money left to support these scroungers. They are finished.
What is of concern is that Camerhoon and his hopeless Boy Wonder offer nothing…yet.
it is worrying that no one is yet clamouring for the tories?
They don’t have to clamour. Just vote the right way when the time comes.
Only the BBc says this:-
The government says it intends to take the East Coast rail service, run by National Express, into state ownership.
Everybody else says it has been nationalised.
Everybody else is wrong. Nationalisation means by the people for the people. The People have had no say in this matter, nor will they have any. For once aljaBeeba is correct.
I have an impostor
Gordon can you please wipe your arse properly, you are leaving poo stripes in the bed.
are they brown smears created by mcbride?
You feel my balls again in a ruck you Jock twat I will punch your eye out
But mater said that I was getting shit all over the carpet!
California in ‘fiscal emergency’
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8129840.stm
8th largest economy in the world.
It can’t pay its workers nor its pensions. They wait for their money.
Could it happen here?
It already has. The difference is that in California they have an honest leader.
We wont
Quiet in here today. Are the non job people actually doing some work today?
Which leaves us with you?
Gordon needs to see the men in white coats and have a nice, relaxing rest for a wee while.
Unfortunately for him, all he has is Mandy to encourage that. Thus in the Commons, 0%.
He needs help, but not just help from political so-called allies.
Radio Leeds announced that the Prime Mentalist would be in West Yorkshire today and would be ANSWERING questions from the local public!!
Al-Beeba again taking the piss!!
I have a similar post up. He really is deluded to come up with statements like: “I have always told the truth”.
Kitty Ussher is on BBC’s The Daily Politcs at 11:30am as is Will Self. If you want to join the live chat click on the link in the ‘Event reminder’ in the left hand sidebar to join in: Daily Politics Live Chat”.
any chance you’ll stop using the ‘Prime Mentalist’ insult. I f*cking hate it.
Nope – the rest of us agree.
Some of us work with the Mentally ill – so know it’s an exact and appropriate moniker!
How’s about Prime Mincer? Is that ok for you diddums?
Prime Minister started out as an insult.
From No 10 Twitter feed
During a visit to Leeds, the PM has wished Andy Murray the best for tomorrow’s semi-final and said the whole country is behind him.
Alarm bells
Mildly O/T but reading the excellent weekly Popbitch circular recently it occurred to me that far from being a Scottish Michael Jackson, Gordon is in fact the living reincarnation of Bubbles. Now over to Popbitch for the reasons why:
“What happened to Bubbles in the end was that he started jerking off in front of busloads of school children who would come to Neverland Ranch.
So they put him in monkey school, they retrained him, and they put him in these diapers. But one day, some very important schoolchildren came to Neverland – from Japan, I heard later – and they brought the monkey out, because the kids wanted to know where Bubbles was. So they bring the monkey out, but he had managed to reach into the diaper and had these two handfuls of monkey shit, which he threw at the kids. And that was the end of Bubbles. They sent him to like, Monkey Ranch, or something.”
PM: Whole country behind “awesomely skillful” Murray
Depends what you mean by behind Gordon. But if you mean supporting then you are as right about this as you are about the economy.
I trust Jonah’s Murray endorsement will now have the desired Jinx effect.
http://page.politicshome.com/uk/pm_whole_country_behind_awesomely_skillful_murray.html
After this news, I’m now behind Roddick.
When Murray played Blake in the final at Queens, I was behind the half-English American.
I want to vote for an English parliament, why have I not been allowed?
Come on Roddick!
I deeply regret and am so sorry to the British people for being the architect of”Boom and Bust”
And if you believe that you’ll believe anything
There are lies,damn lies, statistics, and what the government spouts, it has always been so.
Brown, he’s really laughable isn’t it he? Imagine getting up every morning and knowing everyone thinks you’re an absolutely useless fucking twat.
He’s got a thick skin; he thinks he’s jesus and that everyone else is wrong; it’s his job to “educate” everyone else on the planet into believing his own personal worldview, rather than admit that perhaps he’s wrong and everyone else on the planet is right.
He’ll go down in history as the maddest PM we’ve ever had, who somehow managed to do more damage to the economy than both world wars put together purely due to complete negligence and the inability to take advice. What a great legacy.
Brown’s got a bit of an excuse in that he’s clearly mad. However, the rest of the labour MPs who have been standing by and watching all this happen over the last 12 years and not bothering to do anything about the country being ruined don’t have such an excuse; labour will disappear after 2010; the “labour” political name will be synonymous with cowardice, negligence, insanity, and economic annihilation. They’ll never recover, even after many generations; this is historic intentional ruination and makes their 70’s fuckup look like a tiny blip.
I’m guessing that after 2010, someone like miliband will start a new party, but he’ll keep the word “labour” out of the name that they give that party.
Is Brown the worst PM ever?
Well, according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_rankings_of_British_Prime_Ministers, which takes surveys from 2004-8, until Brown took office, Anthony Eden came bottom of every poll. And then came Gordon and beat him to last place.
How can the BBC get away with their bias & ommissions supporting the unmandated madman in number 10 & his fawning cowardly Labour Party lackeys?
Guido had it right yesterday – the politicans & the BBC (especially the lobby) all drink & eat from the same taxpayer funded trough.
We have a serious conflict of interest between the “national” broadcaster & its cosiness with the ruling elite rosette wearers.
We need to take the power back.
Dissolve Parliament. Open Traitors Gate. Get some troughing piggy heads on pikes.
Here is a thought – how about ‘downgrading’ the power of a vote for all those who are not working and not paying any tax to, say, .75% of a vote.
Why? well if they are not paying in and contributing why should they get a vote on how our tax pounds are spent – particularly as so much is spent on them. This group of people are firmly attached to the tax payers teat and so will always line up to be gerrymandered by Labour.
Financial support for those TRULY in need is being restricted by the greed of the feckless and the lazy – why should they have full voting rights?
Did you think that through before you wrote it?
Try putting one foot inside and the other outside the ‘box’ and see whether you can see why I believe you to be wrong.
Really?
I’m a carer – I get supported by the state – to prevent the need for a psychiatrist, mental health nurses, a inpatients care facility, administration etc.
I save you how much? When I’m being supported with just £44 a week, for doing a 24/7 job.
A quick calculation for your savings is about £100,000 a year. Do you put in that much tax?
Perhaps those people who earn more could also have more votes, then the Kinnocks could carry any constituency by themselves.
I sincerely hope you’re taking the Michael!
Hate to have Lord Sugar with his 100,000 votes in my constituency!
MOFO
Presumably anyone who works for a bank and anyone who has shares in a bank should lose the vote as taxpayers have pumped so much money into propping them up. ‘Think’ – you’re a twat and if I thought you had any coherent set of beliefs I’d probably call you a fascist.
I watched the replay of PMQs last night, and was pretty horrified. It must have been the maddest attempt by a PM that we’ve ever had. He just looked and sounded totally off his trolley.
His completely inability to speak understandable English and just spouting off reams of meaningless obscure (and mostly wrong) statistics didn’t help him either.
Accusing the tories of cutting public spending even now when they’re not in power, accusing them of deliberately wanting to try and increase unemployment, and accusing them of wanting to sack all the nurses and teachers and get rid of any help for the unemployed, and all so that millionaires can save money on inheritance tax. He’s clearly totally mad.
At one point I honestly thought he’d say “you horrible toffs want to kill everyone who’s not a millionaire.” and then go off in a huff crying.
It was an absolutely terrifying thing to watch; knowing that this total loony is in charge of the country and racking up trillions of pounds of debt of our money just so that he can try and convince himself that his own personal mad worldview is correct.
They really do need to send for the men in white coats and drag the fucker off somewhere so he can’t harm himself or others.
If Brown stays as their leader, then the cuts argument is even more irrelevant/misleading; the real argument is “do you want your leader to be relatively sane, or a completely insane raving loony with no understanding of reality/maths/economics who wants to bankrupt the country purely to feed his own mad messianic worldview where he thinks he’s jesus ?”
‘accusing them of deliberately wanting to try and increase unemployment, and accusing them of wanting to sack all the nurses and teachers and get rid of any help for the unemployed, and all so that millionaires can save money on inheritance tax.’
That was the only sane part of what he said. Obviously you weren’t around in the 80s.
I was around in the 80’s.
Back then, the tories took a country which had been bankrupted by labour, temporarily made public workers unemployed because the organisations that they worked for were unsustainable, and channeled employment into the productive private sector instead; that’s the only sustainable system.
There’s no such thing as “government money” – 100% of it ultimately comes from the private sector. By spending all the available money on the public sector and ignoring the private sector you end up in an unsustainable position which is 100% guaranteed to give you total national bankruptcy.
Are you saying that the economic situation we’ve got now is actually worse than the relatively small blips of the 80s/90s? For a start real unemployment now is probably actually higher than at the worst point of the early thatcher years; the official unemployment stats are a joke.
Blame Mandelson. Cut him out, Brown’s history.
The Prime Mentalist is a fecking nutter – judge for yourselves
BROWN and Darling have been left in a police van parked outside no 10; please get to them quick it is getting hot
How much longer are we going to tolerate being lead by Gordon Brown who is clearly a sociopath and a personality disorder?
Another ten months of this evil wretch will end up in bankruptcy for the UK and many years of penury for most of it’s citizens.
If your country does go bankrupt we will be able to buy it at a ‘fire sale’ price. Then we can make a quick profit by flogging off the few remaining valuable assets and forcing everybody under 70 into productive work (instead of the 30% or so in productive work now). We may let a few of the more educated British into our golf clubs but otherwise you must accept the benefits of colonisation.
Thatcher last 11 years, though I suppose she was actually certifiable for the last two (as her Cabinet realised).
McBroon is awa with the faeries… His brilliance at economics means he gives us little political lecturettes on the failures of the opposition in this regard when asked a direct question… as in this little ‘dialogue’ from PMQs…
Back bencher: ‘In which departments does the prime minister expect expenditure cuts to fall’…
McBroon… fluff, fluff… bluster, bluster… ‘They have no policy…’ ‘The opposition…’ ‘The Tories…’
Will the speaker one day have the bottle to interrupt and say something like:
‘Could the hon member please repeat the question as it is obvious that the prime minister didn’t hear it…’
We’d get the economy back on track. To you, to me.
Whey Hey!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lords Paul and Barry Chuckle – my favourite!!!
Hey by the way, I got you peerages, so when can I come on your show? I already have the clown make-up. oh it would be too fecking funny!
The rump, the rump…
and I thought that was bad…!
easy now!
Up your end. No, my end.
Surely the state of Brown’s mental health must be in question?
can’t some start posting a transcript of PMQ so it can be looked at in detail?
As per usual Guido’s analysis is garbage – if you look on page 81 as to what is included in table 6.1 you will see that it only includes expenditure incurred directly by the departments and not that incurred by local government. Plenty of other tables on different bases disclose increases in expenditure. The document also only covers up to 2010-11 – I suspect Cameron may have been referring beyond that period. As for the 25 departments – perhaps Guido should realise that counting to 20 is probably his natural limit.
Okay, so just how many tractors are being produced in the eastern region?
We need to know Jonty.
Budgets/Figures an all that, are just a complete load of Statesticals.
You can’t believe any of the wankers, other than that your pockets will be severely picked.
It’s all a load of Statesticals.
You can’t trust any of the wankers.
All that is certain is that our pockets will be heavily picked.
Brownocio and his slimy puppetmaster are digging themselves great big pit full of lies and with that hoppity irritating Balls insect whispering in his ear no wonder the ‘offspring of the manse’ is cracking up! He’s a complete and utter loon, growth of 0%?? only a deluded nutcase would come out with such nonsense, reminds me of Hitler in his bunker sending out phantom panzer divisions to win the war. Brownocio simply can’t tell the truth on anything, his old tricks of trying to pull the wool over our eyes with stats and eco babble and his sleight of hand ways have been rumbled. His cabinet, made of from the dregs of trougminster and the house of frauds is a pathetic ensemble of crooks, fraudsters, wannabe’s, has been’s and yellow streaked pansies who are so scared of Mandy mortgage fiddler that they defecate their tax payer funded kaks every time they see a shadow.
Brownocio’s hooter will soon be the size of the national debt if he keeps on like this!
171.
Anyone else got a mailshot from Charter88?
“Both Gordon Brown and David Cameron have been scrabbling around for a repsonse to this crisis” {fexpenses]
“Even if you dont normally respond to our financial appeals, plese consider donating to this one..”
What to do?
Who is in Kontrol here?
no-one dork!
New bold good double plus
Guiod you’re posts are coming up strange.
Real statistics about the real economy would be interesting. Like the actual % fall in inward and outward container traffic. The numbers of HGVs off the road and the numbers of freight locomotives idle- 40% inMay. This is a depression coming down the road and the bastards are all lying in their teeth. We will pay they will laugh at us as they always do.
Lookjs like anarchist and nihilists operate this blog-o-sphere.
Talking of lies: Paul Waugh saying Osborne to be investigated over his Tatton mortgage claims. Must be something to do with Tatton and big hair country.
How’s this for something the Conservatives should cut as soon as they get into power: the NHS Primary Care Service Framework ( see http://www.pcc.nhs.uk) is recommending that GPs ‘fast track’ gypsies and travellers to ‘ensure they are treated as a priority’ , surgeries must not turn them away even if they have no appointment, GPs must give them longer consultations, and PCT staff must have ‘cultural awareness training’ to understand what it’s like to be a traveller or gypsy. My local PCT is giving this document full consideration and is carrying out a comprehensive assessment of the health needs of gypsies and travellers…
?what ever happened to the idea that patients should be treated according to medical need
A bit of an Ayatollah taday aren’t you? Pulling comments, the argument won’t go away though will it?
Your espoused ‘philosophy’ is bust, more than the public finances and the banks and the pension funds and the life assurance companies.
Your numbering has broken, again!
The fooking fook,
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Banning Number 4? Even his name aims to stir the shit.
“today”.
Now go back to pulling yourself.
Reference your 214 comment. I see you are now arguing your concept as a matter of fact ? It is clearly not a matter of fact. I am equally sure I could find a set of economists etc who support the opposite view about recession spending.
What I object to is the ‘I know better’ attitude you consistently demonstrate. Your original concept was built on a flawed assumption and conditional future events which cannot yet be proven.
I think it entirely reasonable that this should be challenged and odd that you fail to accept you might be wrong. I do not know what the outcome will be but the tools being used to deal with this issue are going to create massive problems for generations and the government do not have a good track record (underneath the spin)
So there is a possibility they have got it wrong but I hope I am wrong.
You seem to be alone in saying this is going to be a stonewall success?
ha,ha you make me laugh. It is good that there is someone towing the party line, but your arguments are tenuous. MB, the crucial thing you always miss is the level of personal debt. Under Labour people quite simply lost the idea of the value money. Can you in anyway think it is right that people are coming out of Uni with debts of 20k? Tell me , it will give some insight to your attitude towards society.
Youre getting a bit stressed today Jonty.Relax- in less than a year it will all be over (for you).
Numbering system fucked
How cum posts are weird?
All will be banned shortly.
you are number 23, come in please?
Inform control,
number system being negative, +1 newpseak.
Reform, Contact Guid0 -F
and will continue so
I am number 7,
absolved..my son.
For living abroad and not reside in the rest of the shite.
That us sommon folk do.
Amasing how many of these “right Wingers” live abroad.
OH, TT, etc.