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	<title>Comments on: Brown&#8217;s Billions for Climate Change</title>
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		<title>By: Dysgwrcymraeg</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/06/27/browns-billions-for-climate-change/#comment-185980</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dysgwrcymraeg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Voting rights, yes, Dame Shirley Porter got into deep doo doos for what was seen as gerrymandering. How it pales into insignificance to what the socialists shower are doing to our population ! This is Gerrymandering on such a scale we really need a new word to define it. It&#039;s so blatant that most cant or wont see it for what it is. !]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Voting rights, yes, Dame Shirley Porter got into deep doo doos for what was seen as gerrymandering. How it pales into insignificance to what the socialists shower are doing to our population ! This is Gerrymandering on such a scale we really need a new word to define it. It&#8217;s so blatant that most cant or wont see it for what it is. !</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Meldrew</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/06/27/browns-billions-for-climate-change/#comment-176197</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr Meldrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 23:40:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This clunking fist of a Prime Minister is like the midas touch in reverse.

He sold off our gold reserves when the price was at rock bottom.
He has hand crafted the pending disaster that awaits future generations with regard to pensions.
Billions have been frittered away on those who think that the welfare state is an alternative lifestyle.
Billions more of your tax contributions have been squandered on mass immigration. 
How much more damage can this  life expired government inflict onto those they supposedly serve before the removal vans roll into Downing Street?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This clunking fist of a Prime Minister is like the midas touch in reverse.</p>
<p>He sold off our gold reserves when the price was at rock bottom.<br />
He has hand crafted the pending disaster that awaits future generations with regard to pensions.<br />
Billions have been frittered away on those who think that the welfare state is an alternative lifestyle.<br />
Billions more of your tax contributions have been squandered on mass immigration.<br />
How much more damage can this  life expired government inflict onto those they supposedly serve before the removal vans roll into Downing Street?</p>
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		<title>By: Pricky Gayes</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/06/27/browns-billions-for-climate-change/#comment-175338</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pricky Gayes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:27:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for that - and come on Murray!  Firstly, I agree that what the EU and particularly the US are proposing will have very little effect.  Obama&#039;s cap and trade bill currently going through Congress has been watered down by special interests to the point of uselessness - as was the case with his bailout.

However, I think &quot;How many Africans should we allow to die for the sake of a committee’s unsubstantiated guess?&quot; is wide of the mark.  For a start, African countries could make themselves vastly richer overnight if they would only drop the trade barriers and tariffs between their own countries (never mind the iniquity of the EU CAP and other indefensible western trade barriers).  They need more of their own trade, not more of our aid - I&#039;m certainly not defending Brown&#039;s proposals to throw more of our money in their direction.  Their economies and therefore CO2 emissions would grow if they bothered to do this, but I expect this could be offset by efforts against deforestation across Africa (and indeed South America), which currently contributes about a fifth of CO2 emissions.  Nobody need be further impoverished: and of course people in the developing world stand to lose most if the more pessimistic climate predictions are correct.  In the West, a green energy revolution could create jobs and wealth as the car industry did in the US after WWII (and surely we can agree that Obama should stop propping up that dead dinosaur).  I don&#039;t think tackling this issue would only help a few rich Westerners - and since I live at the top of a hill in Scotland I probably don&#039;t have much to worry about on a personal level, even if the worst predictions come true - indeed, I would welcome some nice warm summers for a change...

As I say, I am a scientific layman, but all of the scientists I have spoken to have told me that they have concluded that human activity is at the very least a contributing factor to climate change, and you agree that most scientists believe the same.  They know more about it than I do, so I feel obliged to take their word for it: as I do every time I go to the doctor, or get on a plane.  However, I would be grateful if you could point me towards some scientific opinion against AGW: though if those scientists are funded by any group that has a vested interest in a certain predetermined conclusion to their research I will regard that as tainted.

Anyway, there are good environmental reasons for winding down filthy coal plants (which give off more radiation than nuclear) in favour of nuclear and some renewables, and for reducing car use, whose pollutant particulates, I have read, reduce the life expectancy of everyone in London by several months, and which cause a million deaths by accident around the world per year.  Even if AGW is bunk, the inescapable logic of peak oil (and the transfer of wealth to disgusting Middle Eastern regimes) ought to be concentrating policymakers&#039; minds.  Switching from oil to alternatives will be expensive in the short term, but in the longer term oil will only get more expensive.

Thanks again and feel free to continue this discussion, which has been very interesting and, for Guido&#039;s blog, uniquely polite... ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that &#8211; and come on Murray!  Firstly, I agree that what the EU and particularly the US are proposing will have very little effect.  Obama&#8217;s cap and trade bill currently going through Congress has been watered down by special interests to the point of uselessness &#8211; as was the case with his bailout.</p>
<p>However, I think &#8220;How many Africans should we allow to die for the sake of a committee’s unsubstantiated guess?&#8221; is wide of the mark.  For a start, African countries could make themselves vastly richer overnight if they would only drop the trade barriers and tariffs between their own countries (never mind the iniquity of the EU CAP and other indefensible western trade barriers).  They need more of their own trade, not more of our aid &#8211; I&#8217;m certainly not defending Brown&#8217;s proposals to throw more of our money in their direction.  Their economies and therefore CO2 emissions would grow if they bothered to do this, but I expect this could be offset by efforts against deforestation across Africa (and indeed South America), which currently contributes about a fifth of CO2 emissions.  Nobody need be further impoverished: and of course people in the developing world stand to lose most if the more pessimistic climate predictions are correct.  In the West, a green energy revolution could create jobs and wealth as the car industry did in the US after WWII (and surely we can agree that Obama should stop propping up that dead dinosaur).  I don&#8217;t think tackling this issue would only help a few rich Westerners &#8211; and since I live at the top of a hill in Scotland I probably don&#8217;t have much to worry about on a personal level, even if the worst predictions come true &#8211; indeed, I would welcome some nice warm summers for a change&#8230;</p>
<p>As I say, I am a scientific layman, but all of the scientists I have spoken to have told me that they have concluded that human activity is at the very least a contributing factor to climate change, and you agree that most scientists believe the same.  They know more about it than I do, so I feel obliged to take their word for it: as I do every time I go to the doctor, or get on a plane.  However, I would be grateful if you could point me towards some scientific opinion against AGW: though if those scientists are funded by any group that has a vested interest in a certain predetermined conclusion to their research I will regard that as tainted.</p>
<p>Anyway, there are good environmental reasons for winding down filthy coal plants (which give off more radiation than nuclear) in favour of nuclear and some renewables, and for reducing car use, whose pollutant particulates, I have read, reduce the life expectancy of everyone in London by several months, and which cause a million deaths by accident around the world per year.  Even if AGW is bunk, the inescapable logic of peak oil (and the transfer of wealth to disgusting Middle Eastern regimes) ought to be concentrating policymakers&#8217; minds.  Switching from oil to alternatives will be expensive in the short term, but in the longer term oil will only get more expensive.</p>
<p>Thanks again and feel free to continue this discussion, which has been very interesting and, for Guido&#8217;s blog, uniquely polite&#8230; <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: mikey</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/06/27/browns-billions-for-climate-change/#comment-175194</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[summer_breeze ...

A friend of mine attended an F1 &quot;do&quot; and, spotting Snotgobbler, confided to the women she was chatting to ...&quot;fucking hell, you&#039;d have to be really fucking desperate go anywhere near that thing&quot; One of the women replied that she was in fact going out with him...poorthesarah.
They must be paying her a fucking fortune.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>summer_breeze &#8230;</p>
<p>A friend of mine attended an F1 &#8220;do&#8221; and, spotting Snotgobbler, confided to the women she was chatting to &#8230;&#8221;fucking hell, you&#8217;d have to be really fucking desperate go anywhere near that thing&#8221; One of the women replied that she was in fact going out with him&#8230;poorthesarah.<br />
They must be paying her a fucking fortune.</p>
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		<title>By: Shithead</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/06/27/browns-billions-for-climate-change/#comment-175051</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shithead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 09:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Jag XF is the best saloon car in the world. Get over it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jag XF is the best saloon car in the world. Get over it.</p>
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		<title>By: Shithead</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/06/27/browns-billions-for-climate-change/#comment-175046</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shithead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the time we&#039;ve counted down all the way Lord Shitstabber will have massaged through the Lisbon Treaty and we will effectively have no further say over our own future. All the HoC will be able to do is rubberstamp what the Bastards in Brussels say. He has to be stopped, and soon.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the time we&#8217;ve counted down all the way Lord Shitstabber will have massaged through the Lisbon Treaty and we will effectively have no further say over our own future. All the HoC will be able to do is rubberstamp what the Bastards in Brussels say. He has to be stopped, and soon.</p>
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		<title>By: summer_breeze</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/06/27/browns-billions-for-climate-change/#comment-174861</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[summer_breeze]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeah but what about chavs?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah but what about chavs?</p>
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		<title>By: summer_breeze</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/06/27/browns-billions-for-climate-change/#comment-174853</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[summer_breeze]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:18:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Absolutely Dr Mick - I also have taken note of what David Bellamy says and I&#039;d take his word over the gorgons any day of the week.

Also, since our manufacturing industries have all but disappeared over the last 30 years and people have stopped having real fires in their home, in that same space of 30 years, how can we possibly be causing global warming of any kind here???

Burning less fuel at work and in the home causes greater damage by the governments logic, so lets reduce the price of petrol and drive to our hearts content, That&#039;ll cure it!
Which reminds me, how come petrol is more than a pound a litre again?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely Dr Mick &#8211; I also have taken note of what David Bellamy says and I&#8217;d take his word over the gorgons any day of the week.</p>
<p>Also, since our manufacturing industries have all but disappeared over the last 30 years and people have stopped having real fires in their home, in that same space of 30 years, how can we possibly be causing global warming of any kind here???</p>
<p>Burning less fuel at work and in the home causes greater damage by the governments logic, so lets reduce the price of petrol and drive to our hearts content, That&#8217;ll cure it!<br />
Which reminds me, how come petrol is more than a pound a litre again?</p>
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		<title>By: summer_breeze</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/06/27/browns-billions-for-climate-change/#comment-174848</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[summer_breeze]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 01:07:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t understand how he can live with the highly skanky cherie either.?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t understand how he can live with the highly skanky cherie either.?</p>
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		<title>By: summer_breeze</title>
		<link>http://order-order.com/2009/06/27/browns-billions-for-climate-change/#comment-174847</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[summer_breeze]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 00:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No apology necessary. To be fair!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No apology necessary. To be fair!</p>
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