Harman Bill : Not Independent, Not Credible
The government’s Bill introduced by Harriet Harman yesterday proposes establishing a body to be known as the “Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority” and an officer known as the “Commissioner for Parliamentary Investigations”.
The five members of the IPSA will be
“appointed by the Queen upon an Address of the House of Commons. A motion may only be made only with the agreement of the Speaker for a candidate selected on merit on the basis of fair and open competition and approved by a Speaker’s Committee. Members will be removable only in response to an Address of both Houses. There will be requirements that one member of the IPSA should have accountancy experience, that one member should have Parliamentary experience, and that one member be a holder of or have held high judicial office.”
The Commissioner will be appointed the same way. There will, according to the Bill
“be a Speaker’s Committee for the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority charged with exercising the functions given to it under the Bill – in particular, approving the selection of persons to be members of the IPSA and the Commissioner.”
Do you see the flaw in this “independent” Comissioner and Authority? Members will be drawn from the establishment and their selection approved by the Speaker’s appointees. Would we permit criminals to choose their own judge and jury?
This is a stitch up, we don’t need more rules and self-selected regulators, we need reform of the expenses system, together with clarity, transparency and enforcement of the rules. The voters will kick out MPs if they can identify crooks, in this sense in a democracy voters are the ultimate regulator of politicians. This whole idea is ill-founded, we don’t need to intermediate democracy with another quango or committee, this approach has already failed.
We need only to empower voters with enough information so that they can determine the truth about those who seek to represent them. The truth is all we need, not redactions, not more quangocrats.
What else would you expect?
As said in Yes Minister… the best decision will be made with the information provided.
Harmans crooked husband has the right credentials.
GuidOrcs Oaf,
Did you know the Queen appoints Judges on the advice of Parliament?
What are you planning to do about that?
That’s a stitch up too, isn’t it?
You’re such a bumptious fool it’s really a delight to watch your excuse for a mind waddle around.
BAN ‘IM GUIDO. DON’T LET THE HOON TALK TO YOU LIKE THAT!!
Advice to Master Baiter; Dolly, don’t go out in any thunderstorms.
I’m watching you, Draper. Always watching.
Just ignore him, then he’ll go away. Freedom of speech and all that?
The difference is the ‘on the petition of Parliament ‘ bit. Judges are nominated by other lawyers, not Parliament. MPs will choose who polices there expenses. Look what happened to Elizabeth Filkin when she tried to do her job as Parliamentary Commissioner for Standards seriously. The MPs chucked her out – a decision that has now come back to bite them. The evidence is that MPs will choose weak and emollient persons to supervise their expenses system.
sorry 215. I don’t believe. But just in case it is You, You aren’t being very omnipotent today. When directing the thunderbolts aim for Jonty.
Actually, perhaps your lordlyness is confused by the genetics: I think I’m sure I saw Draper pulling ginner down the pub in september 1988.
oh dear. I have always believed that eugenics has some merit and the more I read this thread the more obvious it becomes. The Labour Loons are generally taken care of as no one would wish to screw with them. The Tory Twats point to the impact on IQ of only coupling with nannies, sisters and fellow members of the Bullingdon Club.
Please don’t ban M B and clones, Guido.
Or their alter egoes pretending to be on the other side.
While they’re on here and recognised they can’t be making mischief elsewhere.
306. That’s alright Tin, I don’t believe in you either.
GuidOrcs Oaf
Wow, so you’ve read/seen Lord of the Rings. Do you own a rubber sword?
It was Guidoaf Orcs previously. Not only has he seem the film but I suspect he appeared in it as Gollum.
Hopefully he will be banned soon as per Dr. Mick’s suggestion above.
Bad manners towards one’s host are not only poor form but quite crass also.
Just Oaf sums him up.
Just wanker sums you up.
You are an imp masquerading as a sprite
Absolutely Brilliant!!! Get the funnies in quick before you’re banned, my lad.
And you, sir, are an unadulterated pleb.
Which in a democracy is the majority.
Whereas you are a wannabe patrician but in fact only a hasbeen with chronic relationship problems who happens to have been trained to polish his shoes and walk in a straight line.
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come on at the double!
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now off to the showers you boys
I have a rubber to put my pork sword in if any lookers come around.
“Which in a democracy is the majority”
Only a socialist aspires for the majority to be plebs.
The bill is a bloody insult to our intelligence, is what it is. These people have lost all moral authority to govern.
The problem is, you see, that they are dishonest. And one thing parliamentary democracy relies upon to function is HONOURABLE MEMBERS!
Our dishonourable members are therefore fake reformers and what we will be lumbered with is, (as the DT has already pointed out in Wednesday’s edition)…
FAKE REFORM!
“…. a candidate selected on merit on the basis of fair and open competition”
Bollox!
Nu Labour decided to call Health authorities ‘trusts’ when the hospitals because full of illegal immigrant doctors with medical degrees printed on bog paper, who were hacking the organs out of British people to sell to Arabs.
Ever thing this government says is lies. The Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority” will be a nest of corrupt filth from the lowest sewer in Britain.
“A motion may only be made only with the agreement of the Speaker”
Is that your typo, Guido, or just another bolloxing insult to the electorate?
….and see Oborne today on the constitutional implications of it all.
More marxist-inspired McSnoteating liebour subversion.
Out with them all.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1195067/PETER-OBORNE-Labours-sinister-revolution-bids-tear-700-year-old-constitution-shreds-weeks.html
Such outrage may carry more force from other than dirtyden, a pink panzer whose username comes from Dick Sniffins favourite sexual practice. For such people to talk about honourable members when they would cease democracy and shoot opponents is the height of hypocrisy.
They want
1 x accountant … 1 x with parliamentary experience … 1 x judge …
how about adding
1 x journalist from the Daily Telegraph and 1 x Guido Fawkes …
and giving them legal indemnity when they publish
…and one mid-ranking Military, Police or Safety Service Officer with no political affiliation.
That would be hard to find these days…
5 x quangocrat salary @ £150,000 p.a
5 x lump sum on retirement of £200,000 each
5 x gold plated pension for life x £50,000 pa
5 x credit card bills @ £1000 p.m
5 x lunches at the Ivy every week @ £200 per meal
5 x gold plated troughs with diamond inset @ £1000 each
Gordon Brown fucking our country up forever….priceless
5 PAs @ £50k p.a to organise their diaries
3 secretaries @ £40K p.a to shag at lunchtime
200 Admin assistants @£30k each
Car allowances for all the above
Platinum pensions for all the above
Assorted tea ladies and caterers ( illegal immigrants with bogus national insurance numbers collecting £50k family tax credits in multiple names)
An extremely impressive Central London office
A website using lots of “Flash”
A website maintenance department of 10 people @ £50k pa each
Assorted managment consultants @ £100k each p.a
Twitter coordinator @£100k p.a
Also someone to translate every web page, piece of paper, memo and post it note into Welsh.
… and one hangman (experience necessary).
you forgot the mandatory health and safety officer
…and the Diversity Coordinator to ensure the token ethnicity factors are within the agreed multiculti tolerances.
And none of this long rope shit
What baffled me in yesterday’s coverage was the plan to create a law especially to deal with cheating MPs who make false claims, with a year in prison as the maximum penalty.
Don’t we already have laws against fraud and malfeasance in public office?
And are they planning to set up their court system to deal with the ‘vulnerable’ (cf Bercow’s acceptance speech) little thieves?
Exactly. The whole thing is a smokescreen to hide the illegality already committed by the theiving MPs.
Well spotted. These bloody MPs have got to realise that they have the same legal status, no more no less, than the general public. They are NOT special cases and above the laws of the land. They are NOT representatives of the Crown, but spokespeople for the electors.
Not hard to understand really is it?
Harman – it’s time for you to step down dear. You do not get it and are out of control. Next!
Agreed.
Let us fuck the little people AGAIN.
It gets better for the Little People! It seems Nu Labour is set to publish a green paper this year outlining a new “Inheritance levy” which will mean the Treasury taking £12,000 out of any pension fund worth over £22,250 – on the day the fund holder retires!
I’ll be all right then, the government have reduced my pot to much less than that already.
Does that mean you get it back when you die?
Fools and the terminally “brain” washed tribalist`s, like MB etc still imagine ZaNuLab “are there” for the little people, go figure.
Be sensible – who would want to fuck Bercow.
Obviously that tall bird…..
O/T More Green Shoots –
It is nice to see that we, the Great British Public shareholders can afford to be generous with our Bank CEOs. CEO Stephen Hester is being offered 9.74 million pounds ($16 million) to double RBS share price.
RBS is selling assets, reducing lending and has cut 11,700 jobs this year to recoup the profit after RBS posted the biggest loss in British corporate history last year.
The government took a 70 percent stake in RBS at 50.4 pence per share, RBS shares are currently at around 35.19 pence.
Banks currently do not have any funds to lend to industry – but never mind – it started in America -………it’s within the rules……….
AHA!
But will this survive a new parliament after the General Election?
Is it pure coincidence that those shits can remain an MP if they receive a prison sentence that is 12 months or less. So rather than 7 years for fraud they get a max of 12 months – why am I not surprised!
Bunch of C U N T S the lot of ‘em.
Why should the law be so lenient on MP’s who commit fraud? They should get a stiffer sentence as an example to the rest of ‘em.
Alice in Wonderland stuff in this day and age
Guido,
Does this refer to you by any chance?
“Less dignified was Mr Bercow’s smirk. Good Lord he looked pleased with himself, marching along in the middle of his coterie like a majorette at her first high school parade.
At the edge of the lobby he spotted a rolypoly supporter from the world of Right-wing internet bloggers.
This nerd was given a special grin.”
Maybe you can sue for libel?
The Penguin
Three counts there:
(1) nerd: this is not necessarily an insult but indeed today it is an epithet worn as a badge of pride by many of today’s hi-tec bloggers.
(2) rolypoly: hmmm, fair comment I’d say, and
(3) Right-wing: this would imply some sort of extremism with fascist tendencies which of course could not be further from the truth. Our host is a Librarian and a member of its Alliance which believes in inter alia in freedom of the individual; the right to own private property; freedom of speech (including the right to call people right-wing) and freedom of information and the press.
Guido doesn’t do libel, but if he did.. it would probably be the best libel in the World.
but I’m now in charge of the asylum so Mps rock, stuff the rest of you
Mr Guido, ever tried cycling? I lost 5lb in just one week. Buy my book, see the results.
Walk everywhere.
Have you seen Boris Johnson’s backside?
You’d hardly believe that Jonah would give up his cleaning so easily
Transparency and true sunlight are the only ways forward
Otherwise the only choice at the ballot box would be none of the incumbents
Every local newspaper should ask its MP how they voted on this issue
The problem is, how do you actually get “independence”?
Almost everyone has a vested interest in what their MP / government does.
If they appointed a firm of accountants – would they look favourably on MP’s if some new tax law came into place? They effectively become lobbyists.
I think (with regards to expenses claims) they should have just put them in the public domain (and continued to do so).
That way it relies on the MP’s integrity and he/she is accountable. All we’ll hear now is that “the independent panel approved it”.
With regards to setting allowances and pay, there must be some models around somewhere that can be used. Is the Hay rating system still around?
And finally, how does this all fit with Chris Kelly’s work?
Another McBroom triumph……NOT
Exactly …. the predictable response to an appallingly run ‘fees office’ – the crux of the boring fiasco.
Exactement, plus ca change.
Effective and complete change only comes after bloody revolution……
Harman’s not going to rock the boat, she wants Gordo’s job and doesn’t care how that’s achieved. No doubt she’s plotting every night, with her arch co-conspiritator, embedded in the Union structure at quite a high level.
Shouldn’t we be making something of that, the ex public schoolgirl knows no shame.
She ‘an Bercow are peas in a pod, self centered, egotistical, vainglorious, mendacious, devious…….et al, etc, ad nauseum.
One suspects she is Pinkie and not The Brain
LOL
Good news for some – bound to be loads of overtime at the whitewash factory.
Is that the hue of “Hutton” whitewash?
The same tone of white I imagine, but this time they’ll maybe give it two or three coats so that it’s more durable & longer lasting.
Did anyone honestly think that Members would agree to be judged by Strangers?
That’s how they think….
What we need right now is a good old fashioned purge.
What we need now is a General Election, to throw out all the troughing cnuts and replace them with honest men and women. This has nothing to do with “the system” and everything to do with individuals who treat every allowance as a target and every possibility as an opportunity…
It is clear that Brown is selling this country to Hell and back with his public sector borrowing. That means one way or another, we have to force a General Election this side of Christmas – preferably in the early autumn. I don’t care what it takes, street protests, strikes in crucial energy industries, riots and mahem – we the people must force this Government to the polls!
It can be done – all it takes is force of will, tenacity and courage. Any Government only survives because the people let it!
We can’t be arsed to vote,let alone rebel
I’m a bit busy on wednesdays. Ok for a Friday revolt though. As long as I can
get back to watch Eastybenders.
I’m up for it but why aren’t there any prominent ‘leaders’ who will call the charge? What of all these knighted knights of past? We do really deed a rallying call from someone such as a former general or of MI5 head or such.
Can’t do Fridays. Thursdays are good though and Mondays – there’s never anything good on telly on a Monday.
May I suggest that a very good place to start and finish is out side the BBC?
And not just because protesting virtually anywhere else worthwhile is now ILLEGAL.
The BBC is the branch of our problems, if not so much the root. This because the BBC even more then our present government represents our wholly FASCIST ESTABLISHMENT in all its most utterly dishonest disguises.
There is no point in having a mass PEACEFUL protest at all if the states media can easily ignore or sideline the whole event, by simply reporting on the first American train crash it can find, or some other common place world event it usually ignores.
300,000 or so out side Broadcasting House, is not something even the BBC can possibly ignore, however much they will undoubtedly try to do so. This potentially world changing event must not be allowed to be high-jacked by so called hard left or hard right establishment subversives like Nick Griffin or George Galloway.
Please understand that LIBERTARIANS make up the vast majority of the ordinary British people, and an even larger majority of the politically active and properly informed.
We must all reach out to those who describe themselves as leftist libertarians, whether such a thing is an oxymoron or not. It is not there fault they have a difficulty in living in the real world, no one is perfect, not even myself. ( OK I am perfect, but ha!. I can’t help being so )
The point is that there intentions are good, as are almost all ordinary peoples, outside a prison for the criminally insane, or indeed parliament.
Our politicians are corrupt or corrupted by the vision of a New World Order, and the cash from the Banksters that invented same. Beyond which they can offer us nothing, but much lowering standards of living, ever higher taxation, along with forever more vicious corporatist state authoritarianism.
If we ever get a chance to vote in a British general election again, which is a thing that is by no means certain, Cameron has to KNOW for sure which way the political wind has now blown. Otherwise we WILL get more of the same, wearing a blue tie instead of a red one.
However, ” Houston we have a problem.”
Almost all, is not ALL past political political protests are SUBVERTED, organized and ultimately financed by establishment CASH.
Therefore actually getting 300,000 or more ordinary people to take to the streets is going to be much harder then any of you could possibly imagine. BUT NOT IMPOSSIBLE given the internet.
Dream on! If you and three of your mates turn up good luck. Any organised demo would be monitered and dealt with. Don’t you think that the powers that matter watch for any subversives.Whilst you can vent your ire on blogs,look what happens to ALF,Stop airport expansion groups,countryside alliance or anti capitalist anarchists. You may not agree with their aims,but learn from how any threat to the “Natural order”is dealt with.
You have reason, but it is the counsel of despair – we should at least try. Name the day and I shall be there!
Sadly, the police (viz the miner’ strike), root for the government, and they are now bolstered up by the insidious terrorism laws. These were brought in by newlabour for our defense!
Having looked at how the State Police treated those anti-capitalism protesters in London earlier in the year – can I also suggest that anyone planning on taking such action ensures that their affairs are all properly in order and their solicitor has an up to date copy of their will. We actually had some of those new “State Bobbies” in Aberdeen Station a couple of weeks back: H&K weapons in hand, faces hidden from the CCTV by Sillitoe Tartan baseball caps – oh, and not a number to be seen on any of them! Spooky stuff!
The BBC have saturated the airways with the problems in Iran, while Britain is going through a massive peaceful (at the moment) revolution. Mps and the system in the HOP is now totally out of date, but it’s in the interest of mps to keep the status quo. (thanks, by the way to Francis Rossi!)
Nothing hampers change quite so much as a populus that’s been tricked into the perception of being ‘free’ and having ‘choices’. Perhaps its just plain easier to live with this delusion? but invariably the veil will fall.
This is what outlook diary was created for. Can everyone do 11am on 13th July ?
Can we make it 11.15 for me, and I have a conflicting appointment at 14.00 so would need to be away by 13.30 latest. Everyone OK with that?
It does feel like there is an us and them situation going on here. They go on playing silly games electing that speaker chap. Fuck me I thought he was “part of the problem” not the the answer. That dragging him to the chair crap was a total fucking embarrassment. Then later we watched the same hoons doffing stupid fucking hats, get real. Who is looking after the shop? They missed the housing bubble, the banking farce, the expense mess, what is in store that they are going to miss next time? It is all very well saying “a lot of people missed it” but this mob are paid NOT TOO! Fools playing palour games while no fucker is out looking after the shop. Sorry, I have no confidence in this shower, they must go…
Agreed!
A run on the banks – Northern Rock style – will do it!
People are too comfortable these days. The sofa and the tele – opium of the people sap their energy. Curiously, in the days when (mainly men) were manual labourers
on the land, pits, heavy engineering etc, they seemed to have more stomach for a fight. Then they were REALLY poor. But now we are still slaves. The government shore up the establishment with Lords and Sirs ( the equivalent of Dukes, Marquis, etc, ), and we are no nearer a true democracy or a fairer society. Thanks newlabour, political traitors, you have done us proud – I don’t think. A plague on all your houses!
To barefoot contessa.Why should it be curious that when men did manual labour they were more willing to fight?The reason that people don’t fight is that women are afraid to fight and also they are afraid to go against the grain for fear of upsetting other people’s feelings. women are the ultimate collectivists scared of being different!
Really?
from North Wales?
If every receipt / claim is made public, there will be no need for any of this Nu Labour quango rubbish. The electorate will hold their MP to account at the ballot box, providing they know what s/he has been doing.
Half the electorate don’t know shit. The other half vote for the good looking one.
More people voted in the last [shit TV talent show final] than voted in the last general election – this is seriously fucked up as far as democracy goes, only a third of voters turned out the other week, when nothing but bad politics had been in the news for a couple of months beforehand……
The UK has resided in “The comfy zone” for the last 50+ years. Most of the population is of the opinion “Fuck em,I’ll get on with my life” It will only be when a calamitous event occurs,that we will be shaken from our apathy.
Ever get the “feeling” that the “calamitous” event is hanging around waiting to happen. I know it sounds like I am a new age nut (I am more a old fogey) I have a fear that this year GB will suffer some awful event! Anyone else getting this vibe?
No, not at all.
@Mr Tuffty
You are just feeling the after shocks of the ‘calamitous’ event that occurred 12 years ago.
Sit down, have a cup of tea, it will all pass.
Scientists predict that the after shocks will last no more than one more year.
They didn’t vote for me.
People only have revolutions when they are REALLY poor, and we havn’t got there YET! The establishment have been building up their power base over the past few years in preparation. Our government would behave exactly the same way as the government in Iran, believe me, If we started to get really stroppy.
Mr Tufty, 9.30 on a tuesday ok? Tell me more about this nightmare.
The beast is stirring.
@Dr Jung: I know that the economy is tanking and that the social fabric of GB is broken it’s just all to quiet though, a deafening silence before the perfect storm!
Seems to me like that old cartoon cliche where the toon walks over the edge of a cliff and keeps going on thin air – until he looks down.
Blears, Smith, Harman, Hewitt, Jowell etc. beg to disagree
Usual bollocks.
Give all MPs a fee to cover all their costs and make then self-employed. Then let them argue with HMRC as to what is and is not a reasonable expense.
You can’t make MP’s self employed, they would be forced to confront that awful law they came up with for the little people, IR35.
Exactly – IR35 was a fantastic piece of legislation – aimed at a thousand people but affecting a million. Typical of this Government…
Please don’t mention IR35 – it still makes my blood boil
Sorry Anon, it makes lots of blood boil, including my own…
Sorry to touch this nerve again but, for me, IR35 was the first real indication of what was coming down the turnpike and possibly the main reason why there is now such visceral hatred for Nu Labiah amongst the IT community. We were amongst the first to feel the sheer spite that others are now getting and also one of the key target groups to experience immigrational enrichment aimed at destroying our earning potential. If there are now a few bloggers around with ZanEU Liebah in their sights then no-one can be surprised.
and not let forget that the lie of IR35 raisng taxation is now starting to be exposed – despite nulab obstruction. Far from it raisuing £200 million in NI alone it seems to actually raise more like £1,250,000; and that takes no account of the loss of VAT payments.
Meanwhile the tories have backtracked on their commitment to repeal IR35. The liblabcons are all the same: hating the British.
Except in practice, they wouldn’t. The office of HMRC tasked to deal with MPs would be the most enlightened, user friendly, accommodating establishment in the country.
MPs subject to HMRC oversight would lead to dodgy governments using HMRC threat to steer MPs down the right course. Better to just pay them a wage and then tell them to stick hotel on exes (max £75/night), receipts to be provided. Job done.
Slightly off topic, but I think as important.
Bill to imprison MPs who lie
Close the H of C – none left !
This lot are still playing at being Student Union politicians, squabbling over standing orders at an NUS conference!
Yet another whitewash. The government still doesn’t get it, does it?
it’s all a load of munky jizz
Brown is going to be handing out detention and making 12 years old cry before you can say History Teacher
Well to the MP’s it’s independent, as in, “It wasn’t me gov”. To everyone else, they will find out the answer in the general election when their arses should be kicked comprehensively.
It’s like asking the police to investigate MP’s when the MP’s own the police, and vice-versa. All above board, nothing to see here, move along to someone who is below the bread line, they MUST be cheating the benefits system.
Independent = In Deep End
@TridkyDicky – we need an election before the Irish EU referendum. Go check out Dan Hannan in the Sunday Telegraph.
That as well, but it is not the only issue. Brown is bankrupting the nation – the mountain of debt he is creating will need servicing. Brown talks of “investing in public services”, yet the only investment a future government will be doing is in servicing the debt. Servicing the debt Brown is creating will cost more per annum than the education budget – think of that!
Yes we do – but Mandlebum is comitted to ensuring that the Irish vote the “right” way and the irrecovable Treaty becomes law, before we have a GE here and DC calls a referendum on the issue…
bent spoons
Sorry Guido old bean but MPs have moved beyond the bad old days of self regulation and are now to be judged by their peers.
And to be equally recompensed!
Labour believes that Britain should act as a force for good in the world as well as ensuring the safety and security of its own citizens. As a permanent member of the UN Security Council, we have a global responsibility to help reduce international conflict, combat international terrorism and weapons proliferation, and contribute to peacekeeping and peacemaking operations. To face these new threats, we must maintain strong, balanced, flexible and deployable armed forces. In an increasingly interdependent and uncertain world, Labour will continue to work through our strong partnerships and alliances to successfully meet the challenges of the 21st century. NATO remains the cornerstone of Britain’s defence and security policy, and we are leading efforts to enhance Europe’s military capabilities for humanitarian and crisis management operations where NATO as a whole is not engaged. Tackling threats to our security from terrorism and weapons of mass destruction are vital parts of a strategy to protect British citizens and to help build a fairer, more prosperous world for all.
What vomit! Where did that spew come from?
Who is this fool?
Give it a rest son. You’ll wear it down to a point
Sod off you vapid, platitudinous, sexist son of a hoon.
bunch of knuts and no mistake
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What the FUCK have Labour EVER done for front line troops? You know, the ones we give to NATO, or even to those less well equiped, like the Irish, Scotish, Welsh Guards, the Sig Int’s, the Para’s and all versions of the special forces, the engineers, the medics, the drivers, the cooks and even those hard bastards in RAF regiment that drop in from nowhere to secure a non existant airfield to make it one.
I can’t possibly list everybody that has been shafted by this government, because that would be just about everybody in the armed forces.
Mothball heavy lift transports? Check.
Piss money away on Type 45 Destroyers, and send them to sea, minus the arms they where designed to carry? Check.
Spend billions on refreshing Trident, and the subs that carry them? Check.
Commison new aircraft carriers and design them NOT to be able to arrest incoming planes, so that, in hot climates, they have to dump fuel and arms to land verticaly? Check.
Keep buying new tranches of eurofighters, that are already outclassed by cheaper American F-22′s, because it keeps a few hundred UK jobs in an areospace industry that is already in it’s final stages of being closed down and offshored to.. America.. FUCKING HOONING CHECK.
Well done Labour… I hope the bereaved familes take you (us) to the cleaners.. they deserve the money for Labours fucking criminal incompentance.
More defence cuts on on the way. in our unit we’ve been told to get all our old kit replaced this year because there won’t be any money next year. how are we supposed to operate properly? Secondly fighter jets are no good for fighting guerilla forces like the taliban. As I have written before we need properly equipped troops on the ground with mine proof vehicles body armour and helicopters! Also I hope some of the families of the dead soldiers decide to sue the New Man Nonce ( Blair ) for some of the money he has earned on the american lecture circuit! Did you know that he hasn’t given a single penny to Help for Heroes? What a c….!!!!!!
Conservatives believes that Britain should act as a force for good in the world as well as ensuring the safety and security of its own citizens. As a permanent member of the UN Security Council,(although liebour will give this up totally to the European state), we have a global responsibility to help reduce international conflict, combat international terrorism and weapons proliferation, and contribute to peacekeeping and peacemaking operations. To face these new threats, we must maintain strong, balanced, flexible and deployable armed forces and not use them for regime change as liebour did in Iraq. In an increasingly interdependent and uncertain world, Conservatives will continue to work through our strong partnerships and alliances to successfully meet the challenges of the 21st century. NATO remains the cornerstone of Britain’s defence and security policy, and we are leading efforts to enhance Europe’s military capabilities for humanitarian and crisis management operations where NATO as a whole is not engaged. Tackling threats to our security from terrorism,(which liebour have imported into the UK via their policy of mass immigration), and weapons of mass destruction,(like ther weren’t in Iraq), are vital parts of a strategy to protect British citizens and to help build a fairer, more prosperous world for all.
Its not the real one – the words Labour have been replaced by Conservative.
Damm its early, I need more coffee before commenting
It surely isn’t the real Hardwidge. There’s a split infinitive in there.
Nice try though …
What is it with all these Labour drones like Hardwidge and The Inquisition that they come across as complete automatons? Is all this stuff being cut and pasted by some sort of Labour robot or computer programme?
Probably – Labour have no doubt created a robot blogger to spam all the blogs nationwide, since they cannot find enough real people to blog on their behalf.
The reason they cannot find real bloggers?
Because we all hate them and want them to burn forever in Hell!
Panel Adjudication on C E Hardwidge:
You have been found guilty of multiple instances of plagiarism and are hereby awarded no certificate.
Where did that spew come from?
All of this waffle comes straight from http://www.labour.org.uk website. It’s a straight cut and paste job. Google any phrase or sentence and you’ll see.
Don’t need to google it. Click on the “hardwidge” name, and you will go either to the Labour home site (real hardwidge) or the Conservative home site (our own guy, sort of). Simples!
He still should provide citations that he is doing 100% cuttee pastee.
Can I just say that I am sorry for claiming for a spangly toilet seat on expenses whilst sending some of our best young men to fight in Iraq and Afganistan in Snatch land rovers whose “armour” consists mostly of fibre glass.
Can I also say sorry that we are still sending our troops to do a difficult job with the wrong vehicles and insufficient air cover.
Can I just say that I am not sorry for walking out on my job as PM whilst the troops I ordered to war were still fighting.
They died, but at least I made millions.
To Tony Bliar you bought your houses and paid for your children to go to public school with the blood of Our Boys. You should be ashamed you trecherous NEW MAN NONCE!!!
Oh aye. And the ‘offences’ have been politicised before we start.
There’s ‘targetting false claims’ – which is fair enough.
But it’s then been conflated with ‘not registering interests’ which will be the go-to Labour tactic of conflating fiddling expenses with Tories having ‘second jobs’ and also ‘payments to MPs for raising issues in Parliament’ which is included for the sole purpose of bringing up Tory misdemeaneurs from 1996 and mentioning them often and at length in the debate they’ll be holding but somehow excluding Labour peers tabling amendments for cash and failing to register interests only this year.
The whole charade of a Bill will be hijacked and filibustered to play down the communal troughing and ‘big up’ the Tory ‘second jobs and ‘cash for questions’ from 15 or so years ago.
An absolutely mendacious bitch in a parliament of whores, thieves and incompetents.
And those are her good points……
totally agree with Guido is , gordon trying to look good in making complex legaislation , when it was him and speaker martin who presided over the whole rotten thing , but hey its ok if its champagne socialism !!
all that was needed was clear set of rules for fess office , no need for expensive committee , hes just doing it to stop cameroon getting rid of communications allowance .
however the new law of a mp going to clink is more interesting , mrs moran is a prime example of it , remeber Aitken went to prison for lying in court on one reciept , (serious offemce of perjury) , just imagine how it would work with this lot !!
Harridan Harmsmen is a spiteful malicious troll who told lies about the rate of female unemployment and was forced to apologise when she got caught.Guido should put her in his cross hairs and then the bitch would be toast.,
No need for all this complexity. MP’s salaries should be a fixed ratio of the national average wage. If the country get richer then MP’s can as well. If not then they take a pay cut along with the rest of us. Payment by results. Expenses should be audited by a panel drawn from HM Revenue and Customer Inspectors. If the claim does not comply with the expense regulations and standard of documentation applied to tax deductions by ordinary tax payers then they can’t have the money. End of story.
Get rid of this stupid smokescreen.
We could also pay them on a performance related basis – the less you get on our tits the more money we pay you.
How about having their desired salary on the voting slip?
Yeah,give em a peanut when they get the right peg in the correct hole!
They’re even worse than the merchant bankers. Fuck them.
Fuck them sideways
Your final paragraph says it perfectly. “The truth is all we need …..” .
Unfortunately for us, telling the whole truth is such an unnatural action for a politician and it makes them feel so uncomfortable that they avoid it wherever possible.
They find it so much easier to wrap the problem in rules and legislation before making it someone else’s problem.
This is a miondset that can only be changed by replacing the majority of the current House of Commons inhabitants.
Do the bastards just use the same Word template for all their crazy bills and other such nonsense? Shitting them out as fast as they can to fuck us over even more.
“to fuck us over even more”, and for connected purposes. The connection of which we cannot tell you “for legal reasons”. Total crap.
Its been pointed out that the solution is quite simple, any m.p.s expense claims are open to public scrutiny…end of. How fucking hard can it be?.
Speaking of which stuff their heads on pikes on Tower Bridge, the mob won’t wait for SIR SILLY Hunt AND ANOTHER QUANGO, COMMITTTEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!
It certainly is time for a General Election before the Lisbon treaty vote in Ireland
Summer of Rage? After all it hasnt materialised as yet?
Now I know why JacqBoots bought shit loads of bloody tasers recently.
And why they banned handguns.
It’s starting to, look at the protests at the Lyndsey Refinery – this will be a summer of Discontent.
We absolutely have to have our election before Lisbon is ratified, unfortunately Bandebum’s first and absolute priority is to make sure we don’t…
They make themselves unemployable by their refusal to work for £5 an hour and live ten to a dormitory
Indeed.
I’m in Dubai at the moment, where all the Western critics and journalists are having a go at the Indian labours who work here and earn around a hundred quid a month – forgetting that in the slums of Delhi they would get only 10% of that.
One of the biggest negatives of the European Project is that the free movement of labour will lead to a lack of equilibrium in the short term – people will move to where they can earn the most money. Polish doctors are working in the UK as nurses and earning more than they did at home…
Gold rush economics. Everybody runs to where the dollar is king. I’m sure the Poles could find use for those doctors.
75 Anon – absolutely. This has always happpened outside the EU in the middle east – which has done very well in teh past few years from Eastern labour and Western management, all chasing the money. There is almost no petty crime here, due to the fact that criminals get locked up and deported, and that all the expats here are earning good money by their own standards.
What happens here though, is exactly the same as happens in the new EU, people will go to wherever the money is – whichever country happens to have the highest minimum wage or pays the best for certain professions.
Language also plays a part in Europe, most Europeans speak English, making the UK an even bigger target.
The problem can really only get worse for the UK, as EU migration cannot legally be stopped and there is amassive brain drain of former higher-rate taxpayers ending up in the east or the US, on account of the tax we are expected to pay.
I calculated that I paid 75% of my income to the Govt in the UK, being a single man earning just enough to nudge the 40% income tax bracket…
Steve Expat – mate, it’s a lot more than that – taxed when you earn; taxed when you spend; taxed when you save; taxed when you die.
Over the course of a life time, the figure’s closer to ~90%… Kinda makes one wonder why, with all this money sloshing around from taking virtually all that everybody ever earns, the public finances aren’t in massive surplus?… They should be, FFS!
What’s this living in a dormitory shit?
We must not allow ourselves to become inured by the expenses scandal.
Harriet Harman announces today that “MPs who knowingly make a false claim on their expenses face going to prison for up to 12 months”. This is spun as the government “getting tough on MPs” and “sorting the expenses out”. It is nothing of the sort. It is a smokescreen which hides its lack of action against MPs who have already submitted “knowingly false claims”.
This is the government with a Justice Minister who claims to have made rental payments in cash to his landlord, a known political supporter, but is unable to support the claims with documentary evidence. A Minister who is reappointed as a Communities Minister and then found to have overclaimed Community Charges in his Parliamentary Expenses. There are many other examples. Shahid Malik is not the only fraudster.
Are we all going to have to march on Buckingham Palace to demand the Queen dissolve this Parliament of Thieves. I am in my mid 50s and have never taken part in a public demonstration in my life. I am however willing to walk anywhere at any time to remove this deeply dishonest and offensive government.
What we did in the past was within the rules, but we won’t do it again
We were only following orders, order, order!
FFS this is covered by the Fraud Act 2006. This is a gold plated smoke screen. The rules are written in plain english within the green book. Its not difficult and they bloody well know it.
This is the point! There was nothing intrinsically WRONG with the system in place before, except that it wasn’t enforced, due to bullying MPs leaning on the low-level civil servants administering the rules, and to the Speaker and his Committee encouraging the MPs to bully the payments office to treat expenses as a part of salary, and so as a per se entitlement.
What is being proposed is pernicious in its long term effects – far better to police the system from within. To tinker with Parliamentary sovereignty in this fashion opens a whole new can of worms, and chips away still further and faster at our democracy. Cui bono? Not us, I think
The expenses and allowances need to be in line with the work of an MP (Can’t find the exact phrase to hand) and e.g a duck house clearly is not neither is a nifty method of non payment of council tax or CGT. They are covering the past up by offering new laws when existing law is sufficient to challenge these un-connected expenses and claims
Surely an investigation is needed into what was formerly called the “Fees Office”? – It seems that there was such obvious bullying and nepotism there that these people were complicit in the frauds.
How Margaret Moron ever managed to declare a second home 100 miles from anywhere, then immediately claim the whole year’s allowance on one receipt – there must be more to this, no sane person could possibly argue that this was legitimate…
Harriet seems to have propounded that an M.P may only go to jail for ‘up to 12 months’ for fraud, does this apply to the general population for a similar offence?, or have our Judges been informed (by Jack Straw) that this is the maximum sentence that can be handed out to our betters.
MPs will continue to censor key details from their expenses when their next claims are made public, The Daily Telegraph has learnt.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5616515/MPs-win-fight-to-keep-expenses-claims-censored.html
My pants are stuck up my crack
How can I help?
He always did have trouble with his briefs.
We do not need more officers, commissioners, investigators or anyone else appointed. Just transparent expense claims. Let the public act as the investigators, let the public lodge complaints with the existing authorities and give the public the knowledge to make a better informed decision at the next election.
Beyond that a proper mechanism to recall MPs would help.
Yes, you’re angry,but what are you going to do about it? March? Forget it. There are now so many disparate sections of the community that no popular consensus can mobilise. When you live in a fragmented society,divide and rule is the perfect antidote for dissent.
what you talkin’ about Willis?
“Disparate sections of the community” need a leader. Cameron is a candidate but he must be prepared to countenance more than conventional parliamentary action. He should sort out his own party members, deciding who to retain and who to jetison, then announce that the Conservative Party intends to go to the electorate unilaterally in the autumn. The principles should be exactly those of Guido and Johnny (see 44). In other words acceptability to the electorate. Politicians from all parties have made mistakes. The public would be quite prepared to forgive the lesser offenders if they are truthful and genuinely repentant.
Only the Queen can call an election
She does what she’s told to do
Cameron, with the support of his MPs and, as a courtesy, prior notification to the Queen, can announce he is calling by-elections for 200 MPs on the same day in, say, September. Brown would then need to decide how to respond. He could call a General Election in the Autumn and Cameron would then call off the by-elections. If he resisted Cameron’s initiative then there would be a summer of discontent followed by the Queen having to decide whether to dissolve Parliament.
74. If he did bluff he would lose to UKIP with my blessing
74 Marching – I say to Cameron go for it – like the rebel Formula 1 teams, the public is with them going outside the Establishment.
We desperately need to vote before the Irish referendum, once Lisbon is ratified Parliament is redundant…
Sir Muf. re. 78. I see where you are going and I like it, but I think he has to call by-elections on a single issue: “ratification of your MP following the expenses disclosures”. Lisbon can remain unspoken given the timetable. If Brown or others raise the issue then so be ….
If Cameron and his pals resigned to fight byelections,Brown would piss himself laughing. He’s fronted everything else out and it would be spun as conservative posturing. Think David Davies x200. The law of parliament is clear,and as far as Browns concerned he’s got a year in which anything can happen. If a week is a long time in politics,a year is eternity.
Isn’t Cameron pro europe?
Floater Voter, Cameron has no problem with being “In Europe”, his problem is that he doesn’t wish to be dictated to by Europe…
But how can you be “in Europe” and not be dictated to. After all,its a “Democracy”
and you have to go with the majority. His new alliance in europe is a small minority
re 97 2010 Labour Landslide. If the electorate return Labour with a landslide then that is the will of the people. I might not like it but I would accept it.
You say that Cameron calling 200 by-elections “would be spun as conservative posturing”. I am sure you are right. But the point is not how Labour would “spin” the decision, but how the electorate would vote. If Cameron got it wrong he would be punished at the ballot box.
In my opinion, the political leader that puts the voter first will be rewarded. The leader that tries to spin the voter out of his way will be defeated.
Unless there is a cataclysmic event,Brown will lose the next election. But there is no way he will be shamed into calling that election. Like Mr Micawber,he will sit tight and hope something,anything,turns up.
Sounds like the independent BoE rate setting committee.
Do we pick up a bonus?
Of course you do. Why would anyone possibly think otherwise??
Your bonus is based on how close you can keep inflation to the 2% target, which of course is total bollocks as we can change the figure to almost anything we want it to be…
No; A penguin.
When will some bright spark publish all MPs home addresses so 645 heroes can stake their claim in history?
Sounds like a Wikileaks project, I may have some time on my hands today…
Your need a lot of time and assistance – they have soooo many homes!!
Just seen that prize Hunt Mister Squeaker on Sky, what a piece of shit. All within the rules, Brown looking like a Hunt too.
A Parliament for the People according to Gordon Brown. Dictated by the fuckers in charge.
I could bust a fucking gut, am livid. Who the hell do these criminals think they are?
FFS.
They think they’ll get away with it.
The founding principle of crime
Ha ha, looks like “Mr Squeaker” will be sticking……
the ‘berk’ is gaining ground
That’s never happened before
Lammy’s leadership bid?
Summer is icummin in
Loud sing cuckoo
I wake up everyday it’s a daydream
Everything in my life ain’t what it seems
I wake up just to go back to sleep
I act real shallow but I’m in too deep
And all I care about is sex and violence
A heavy bass line is my kind of silence
Everybody says I got to get a grip
But I let sanity give me the slip
Some people think I’m bonkers
But I just think I’m free
Man I’m just living my life
There’s nothing crazy about me
Some people pay for thrills but I get mine for free
Man I’m just living my life
There’s nothing crazy about me
Bonkers
I’m still not going to vote for you Dave.
Total stitch up. Designed to be part of the club. Who will have the experience skills and will to root out the sleaze?
An accountant? What kind of accountant. This will be a career dead end for anyone good.
A judge? Well, we have seen how robust they are. Any who in the right mind (aside from Harriet) would think this appropriate
A former parliamentarian? One that has or hasn’t been caught?
So who is going to look in detail at the claims, do the footwork, dig through their bank accounts, trawl land registry to look at properties, visit the sites check teh distances to make sure that they are correct? Answer, noone.
This isnt a Commissioner ….it’s a eunuch ….neutered from the start
“MPs who knowingly make a false claim on their expenses face going to prison for up to 12 months”.
An ordinary worker who dopes it faces up to 7 years> They are even voting themselves lower sentences
Guido “We need only to empower voters with enough information so that they can determine the truth about those who seek to represent them. The truth is all we need, not redactions, not more quangocrats. ”
I totally agree with that. I am the voter, I am the independent scrutiner. I make the decisions. All I need is the information. What I do not need is a group of patsies picking on awkward MP’s or picking scapegoats. I am the voter. I am the scrutiner.
but that is exactly what liebour don’t want. How will they be able to continue to lie and to tell you what to do and how to think, if things were transparent and independent?
I’ve just re-found this, which I saw a couple of years ago;
25 Rules of Disinformation. It will make perfect sense
http://www.whale.to/m/disin.html#Twenty-Five_Rules_of_Disinformation__
good link – ta
I wish you’d embrace as a strategic goal brand differentiation from Iain Dale’s offering.
The latter is defining Conservatism as a position firmly up the colon of anyone likely to give him a parliamentary seat.
You don’t give a fuck. Nah, you do give a fuck but it’s defined in terms of the punters. I like that.
How could that character define a blogging as reports of his latest review of the papers?
This is the same “independent” as the Bank of England’s “independent” monetary policy committee; Brown picks half the incumbents. Enough sway to keep the boom boom boom going and the voters spending else he’d have come unstuck back in August 2005 when Mervyn King was out-voted, for the first time in the Bank’s history, and rates were cut just when house prices were starting to slacken. That’s when we’d have had a nice normal house price crash instead of the huge fall that’s coming over the next three years.
Typo or legalese?
‘A motion may only be made only with the agreement of ‘ – blah anyway…
I know most of you cynical tossers will think I’m naive, but I’m going all out for 38 degrees rallying some people power to sort these Hunts out.
Come on, it’s better than whinging apathetically about apathy!
http://www.38degrees.org.uk
off topic , anyone know whats happened to dan hannahs blog , link gives 404 error , vanished off telegraph , earlier reports says he suggested we should take to the streets as we are being ruined , hoax or truth??
re global warming swindle , i work on the principal that when you combust somthing it produces heat .light ,kinectic energy and chemical compounds , if you burn a real lot of somthing , you should have enough to effect a change on the surrounding enviroment . the predictive computer models are good , but not that good . there is also the possibility that high altitude aerosol effects of jet planes is reflecting some of the heat back that would have otherwise sent the climate into the predictive model .
the question is basically one of effect to be measurable at a certain level of priming , nothing will be visible until the system is primed and the abosrbtion tails off , then you see the effect , just hope its is retrievable certainly seems a no brainer to carry on just because you cant get the right answer , dont forget its the pollution as well not just the warming that reduces productive capacity , eg chinese have only a few yangsie bottle nose dolphins left , they have just found out why they are dying (now that they are near extinct) river is so polluted with heavy industry outputs , its damaged the dolphins immune systems . same goes for dead area in gulf of mexico .
whilst global warming may be a planet killer scenario , ecosystem toxicity by man made pollutetants may affect populations first before the warming does
Google for Milankovich and Vostok.
You may like it. Or not.
DZ
I got as far as
The Milankovitch theory of climate change is not perfectly worked out
then went to The Sun website to look at some tits.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/author/danielhannan/
I don’t know what to make of Hannon anymore; plenty of commentators on his blog have asked him a very simple question which I can’t see him being answered.
Theres only one vote that terrifies those fuckers.
Are you prepared to use it?
Yes I will!
Well, Brown and his small army of liars have certainly found the right man in Bercow to force this stinking Bill through.
He’s a Nulab wannabe spinmeister through and through. He also thinks he some sort of minister, not just the Speaker of the House.
And he can’t add up.
There are 2 layers/aspects to this, and they need to address both of them. Curiously enough they can address both of them in one go, and very simply, by living under the same tax laws as everyone else does.
Aspect/Layer 1) Types of expenses given. ie deriving a list of the kind of things that are allowed as expenses. For this, they just need to follow basic HMRC law/guidelines; they don’t need endless quangos and their own police force making up their own rules; they just need to follow the existing HMRC laws that everyone else who has more than one office follows.
Aspect/Layer 2) Classing perks as expenses. It’s totally illegal to do this because it’s just blatant tax fraud. HMRC and the police/cps need to get involved and prosecute MPs guilty of doing this (as far as I can see every single MP is guilty of this) – the fact that their own “rules” themselves broke the law is no defence. Nobody is above the law, especially not our elected representatives. “furnished your second house as a perk? didn’t pay tax on that perk? well, pay the money back now or go to jail, same as everyone else in the country would be forced to do.”
They need to stop this “rules”, “committees” bullshit, and simply follow the law like everyone else.
Absolutely right. But this won’t happen without a change in government. Brown and Mandelson believe (hope?) that they can recover Labour’s electorate by waiting for the recession to turn and by ‘cleaning up Parliament’. The Harman Bill is using legislation as a public relations exercise. It deals with perceptions not realities. It is pure deceit.
And of course by nailing the Tories on public spending. It’s the three pronged attack – clean up parliament by inventing more useless quangos; turn around the economy by highlighting any positive statistic and igoring all others; scare electorate rigid with visions of boarded up schools and hospitals. We are in for 11 months of this.
Don’t suppose the new rules can be applied restrospectivley?
I have trying to imagine what some of these troughers will do after they are ejaculated from office in the next erection. So far I have:
Gordon Brown: Decorator specialising in industrial spraying of white paint
Alastair Darling: Usherette
Ed Balls: Supermarket Security Guard
Peter Mandelson: Merchant Navy
Nick Brown: Nightclub Bouncer
Keith Vaz: Oil Worker
Hilary Benn: Tony Benn Impersonator
Yvette Cooper: Scarecrow.
Jack Straw: Accountant.
Malik: Convict.
Peter Mandelson – Night club torch singer
Gordon Brown – detained on section
John Bercow – Holiday camp entertainments officer
Margaret Beckett – call centre worker
Margaret Moran – unemployable
Hazel Blears: joins a Crankies tribute act
Geoff Hoon – Street Cleaner
Hazel Blears – Ventriloquist’s Dummy
Phil Woolas – Car Crash Test Dummy
Jacqui Smith – School Dinner Lady
Jack Straw – Toilet Attendant
Stephen Timms – Waxwork in Dungeon at Warwick Castle
The Penguin
Geoff Hoon – army firing range target (oooo, I wish)
Keith Vaz – property developer
Julie Kirkbride – Avon rep
Shahid Malik – UN Middle East peace envoy
Elliott Morley – Mayor of SHunthorpe
Dawn Primarola – PE teacher
Don’t bother waking up.
Absolutely. We need a system of fixed salaries and fixed allowances. Any expense claims should form a very small proportion of remuneration and should be subject to full disclosure.
The fixed allowance system woudl mean that it was up to MPs to cut their cloth accordingly. It could be based in part on a distance from Westminster formula to allow for different travel costs.
As for second homes, these should be on a fixed allowance as well. It would be up to the MP to make arrangements within the allowance which might be based on the rental for say a 2 bed riverside flat in central London. A small number of constituencies within central London would be excluded from this allowance.
There would be a fixed secretarial/office expenses allowance.
Any other expenses would be very limited I think. In fact I can’t think at the moment of anything that might be required. Possibly some travel abroad. If so, that shoudl be subject to full disclosure on the internet.
This proposal is typical Brown-Harman nonsense and will all be about political point-scoring. They’ll no doubt be far more interested in attacking the Tories than reforming the system.
True, but also only rent or hotel bills should be classed as expenses; having part of your mortgage funded via expenses is a perk (as it supports a personal investment) not an expense and would need to be taxed.
so, perhaps give them a sliding-scale like you say for an equivalent rental value, and if that money’s used on rent/hotels then class it as an expense, but if it’s used to ofset a mortgage (or they own the property) then class it as a taxable perk.
In fact, if someone owns their own second property and stays there instead of renting/hotels then they shouldn’t even get the perk because it’s unfair on those who are renting.
Basically, they should have their rent/hotel paid for them as expenses if they need/use those, but if they decide to buy their own house instead then that’s their choice and they shouldn’t get anything towards it.
MPs are basically just travelling salesmen with more than one office; if a normal person bought a house near their second office then their employer wouldn’t dream of giving them money towards it (although they would probably give you some kind of relocation/setup one-off payment when you started your job). If they didn’t buy a house near their second office then their employer would probably help pay towards travelling costs and the occasional hotel-stay, but they wouldn’t normally fund full-blown permanent rent. In the real world you make personal choices which often negate the need for a given expense to be payable; Your salary is pitched to take account of what your general living costs in that type of job would need to cover, and then you decide what you want to spend your money on (rent, mortgage etc).
HMRC have tons of guidelines on the multiple-office aspect; all the MPs need to do is follow those guidelines.
All constitency homes should be owned by the taxpayer. Whoever gets elected can then use that property, rent-free. They should not be allowed to make thousands (in some cases, millions) out of selling these properties, especially as a lot of them are successful in evading CGT, council tax, and whatever else they can squeeze out of us.
If they wish to buy more property, let them do it out of their own pockets, pay the required taxes and furnish it at their own expense. We have to.
and MPs exist, along with the labour party to serve themselves, may you sleep forever.
Interesting article with more loopholes being opened for the `fraudsters`.
Not withstanding this important matter It seems remarkable that the BBC this morning is leading with an investigative piece on American treatment of prisoners in Afghanistan.
The fact that -despite its overblown numbers staff -it `knows` little of more pressing matters-such as the treatment of the electorate at home.
The sooner the lid is taken of the BBC the better.
Rat’s Nest – needs torching, while a ring of marksmen pick off any of them that try and run for it.
The Penguin
It’s a 21st Century ‘Al Capone’ stitchup.
By directly influencing the makeup of the IPSA, our MPs are effectively manipulating the candidature for their own puppet mayor and police chief.
Capone managed to do this effectively in 1924, in Cicero before famously kicking the mayor down the stairs to show who was really the boss.
NuLab are so expert in ‘leaking management’ under Mandelson’s vulture-sharp beak that they could easily rake up any sort of muck they like about any member of the IPSA team.
Look, for example what is happening to Boris Johnson’s team; they are being bullet-holed by a very effective ‘shootist’.
Re The Referendum, could Dave “boy” Cameron not simply state that any decision taken the discredited Labour Party regarding Lisbon, given the political fuck up that Westminster currently is, would not be recognised by him when he was in power in 12 months time?
He would bring forward an act to rescind the forced Labour vote as it was undemocratic in the given circumstances.
D C has the kill instinct of a sloth and I a beginning to wonder if he is a closet NuLab plant.
As a lifelong Labour voter, I so desperately want a Leader of the Opposition with the cojones to hold this discredited govt. to account. And DC fails and fails and fails again. This BlairLite figure seems to prefer niceness to actually sticking it to the executive. Don’t frighten the horses, eh?
Do Tory voters not despair over his somatised performances?
And wasn’t there a key moment when Blair was told he looked ‘tired’ which signalled his political demise (although not unfortunately his actual demise)? Couldn’t DC play on how ‘unwell’ GB looks?
DC is a useless stooge. He can fuck off.
Watch PMQ`s today, call me Dave will bluster fake indignation, or faux seriousness but in the end, when it comes to it, will allow McSnot off the hook………again.
The entire cabal of thieves at Westminster, is one huge charade, democracy it aint.
End the LabLibCon trick, vote them all OUT.
O/T. Clock Quentin Letts’ take on Mr Speaker Berk-o. Looks like brother Letts has decided to take the p**ss out of Berk-o right from day one.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1195016/QUENTIN-LETTS-Enter-Mr-Squeaker-smirking-schoolmaster-garb.html
“At the edge of the lobby he spotted a rolypoly supporter from the world of Right-wing internet bloggers.
This nerd was given a special grin.”
Who was that, then?? Any ideas Guido?
It was me and I’m barking mad !!
Slow. See 155 above
The Penguin
Yeah, I’ll step up the Modafinil.
Now just calm down sweetie and yes I will let you ask a question at the next PMQ’s.
If you are polite then I will let you wear my tights and wig
Fuck off Parliament.
Piss off mong.
” a Speaker’s Committee”?!!
I thought the problem with MP’s expenses developed because the previous Speaker terrorised the Fees Office into silence over the abuse.
So how does Harriett’s bill prevent this happening again?
Ho Hum – I guess as well this new quango will be part of those 100,000 jobs gordon promised to create for us.
Morning Folks.
It doesn’t. The body needs to be completely independent of parliament much in the way a District Auditor is independent of local authorities.
It should be peopled who take perverse pleasure in rejecting expenses, much like the people to whom I have been submitting mine my entire working life. People who will take umbrage and revenge if you complain with sarcasm or try to bully them. People who will shop you if you “try it on” or stop all payments if you claim to be “not very good at accounting”.
This is what the rest of us have to put up with and it works just fine.
The District Auditor isn’t independent of local authorities. That is a cherry orchard myth. Professionally (i.e career wise) and politically the DA service, which is run by the Audit Commission, network with senior LA staff. And the Audit Commission is run by a bought and paid for Labour Party lackey; an ex GLC Councillor and a former sidekick of Scargill, Kinnock, with connections to various luminaries in London Labour Party – try the Mills and Jowell connection in Camden for a start. The man has a history of cover ups and fraud investigations against him as longas your arm. At one point even the EU auditors wanted him prosecuted by the UK authorities following an investigating of theirs into fraud. There are copies of the report knocking around somewhere are Nulav didnt manage to destroy them all….
This is the reality of Nulab in action and their ‘independent’ oversight. They corrupt everything.
Labour’s sinister revolution will tear Britain’s 700-year-old constitution to shreds in weeks
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1195067/PETER-OBORNE-Labours-sinister-revolution-bids-tear-700-year-old-constitution-shreds-weeks.html
BONKERS
Thankyou for the link
The headline: A BILL to…. nuff. said.
Exactly, they let the cat out of the bag in the first 2 words.
Incompetent bastards.
I totally agree with the post(s) above. Let the shysters become self-employed. If they had to submit an IR35 they would be answerable to the taxman – as we all would be.
Too much effort! They don’t want to give up the financial gains their positions give them, and I’ll wager that 75% of their expense claims would be thrown out.
The sooner we clear out all the shit from the HoC (and Lords) and start again, the sooner this can be sorted out as it should be.
Hau
The white people are too cleva
Pissed and stupid.
Terry Pratchett had it right in “The Last Continent”.
Send members of the Goverment to prison as soon as they get into office.
Saves time later on!
Listened to the Conservitudes squealing like stuck pigs on the radio today.
The pain they were expressing was over disclosing their time spent on and earnings made from other remunerated employment.
Many a tear was shed.
More will be shed after 1 July 2009, from when it will be a criminal offence to fail to disclose such information.
Boo Hoo!!!
Let them pay for a decent secretary then. Out of their own pockets of course.
Yep. Told y’all. Pure politics from the bitch Harman. Conflate expense gouging with second jobs and bring in ‘cash for questions for MPs’ from 15 years ago.
Turn the whole debacle into a Bill to target Tories.
Pure scum.
Why is it that Harperson spent 20 minutes yesterday talking about “Second Incomes”?
Does she not realise that the public really don’t care about non-exec directorships that take up one day every couple of months, they care about the Margaret Morons and Elliot Morleys who are dishonest thieving cnuts.
Harperson is just political point-scoring, she’s upset because most Labour MPs with no experience outside politics are completely unemployable in the real world – there will be a couple of hundred of them on the dole after the next election though…
Of course she realises. But this is a desperate Labour ploy to conflate deliberate expense gouging (a cross-party pass-time) with second incomes. As if the second incomes are somehow illegal or immoral in the same way that making up fake receipts and submitting expenses is immoral. Pure fucking party politics.
Try and conflate the two issues in the voters minds and then, since more Tories (had) have real jobs before politics push the balance of ‘sleaze’ onto the Tories. And then, for good measure bring in ‘cash for MPs questions’ which will nail the Tories for their sins of 15 years ago but completely avoid mentioning the Labour Lords who have been suspended for cash for amendments only a few weeks ago.
Control the inquiry. Control the parameters. Control the debate.
An utterly cynical effort to turn cross-party sleaze into a 3-1 split as it all being the Tories fault.
Meanwhile the economy goes further down the shitter with every passing day. Darling, the quadruple flipper, is fucking invisible and Labour cynically elects a smug dwarf as Speaker just to piss the Tories off again.
No effort at all at a bi-partisan approach. Just constant all-out war on the Tories. Fuck ‘doing the right thing’, fuck the economy.
It’s just their own private fucking war with the Tories and the truth.
Utter fucking bastards.
JGM, couldn’t agree more!
I am a giraffe
Good but it applies across the board. To imply that it does not affect Labour troughers is blatant partisan hypocrisy. You have turned your Gordon’s blind eye to your own.
Second jobs are fine and hopefully allow MPs to have a better understanding of the country they are legislating for. However the electorate have a right to know what MPs spend their time on and what money they receive for their time. Up to 1 July 2009 it has not been possible for the electorate to know.
Is this your second job? Hope you don’t much for it.
Doctor Mick
MB has a point on the need for MPs to put their unique understanding to use.
For example without Patricia Hewitt who is a consultant, how else could Boots understand the many uses of tampons by male Labour MPs ?
And I believe that Jacqui Smith is a consultant to the “top shelf” magazine industry.
Other consultancies
Peter Hain advises the Orange Order
Ed Balls advises Raleigh ( Nuremburg )
Who gives a flying f*ck?
There are just as many ZanuLab MP`s on company boards, or “working” on government funded, fake charities, think tanks, advisory boards, regional quangoes, legions of committees or directly funded by Trade Unions.
Unlike you, I am not a tribal shill for fascist NuLab, or indeed any of the political elites. I, like the majority here, am an equal opportunity critic of corruption, dishonesty and undemocratic governance, whoever they may be.
Unfortunately, tribalist dunderheads like you, are the reason why we are at the pitiful state we are as a Nation, blinkered, unquestioning, unintellegent, facile and thoroughly unpleasant, completely unable to discern that the government is acting against virtually ALL the people of this country, on behalf of an elite within society, for its own narrow, self serving agenda.
Please dont pretend the Tories or LibDims are any different, they are not, if you had an ounce of intellectual honesty, you would admit it, but of course you have none, so do not.
Anyone who thinks the status quo should prevail, whereby MPs getting paid secret amounts of money by secret companies and organisations for secret amounts of their time, is perhaps, in the opinion of the reasonable and objective average person, stupid.
Your meandering rants for reasons known to you only, do not shed light on your opinion one way or the other. Impliedly you are against transparency on this issue, in which case, in the opinion of the reasonable and objective average person, you are perhaps stupid.
Like Harold Wilson?
More like William Hague, Francis Maude, Grant Shapps, David Gauke, Alan Duncan, Ken Clarke and Oliver Letwin and others, who surprise suddenly are finding themselves so busy they are giving up their second jobs and so won’t be disclosing the money they’ve been receiving.
Mind you for Francis Maude’s second job, the company went bust this spring having been subprime mortgage originators, the scumbags.
Big Issue, Big Issue
spare a Kinnock guv ?
Master Baiter, are you proud that you defend a party in government, whose Justice Minister:
- is accused of receiving a financial advantage from a known political supporter and then defends himself by claiming to have paid additional amounts in cash, but is unable to provide specific documentary evidence to support his claims;
- is part of a government that has sent our country’s servicemen to war and death, but wants taxpayers to fund the memorial wreaths he lays on Remembrance Day, not just once but twice;
- is disgraced and then reappointed as Communities Minister and then is found to have overclaimed his Community Charge in his parliamentary expenses;
- arrogantly disregards the pertinent interest of the public in his malfeasance by claiming to have acted “a million percent within the rules”?
-and had the lot swept under the carpet.
Makes a change from hearing the NULab stuck pigs doesn’t it?
Not fit for purpose
A load of crooks deciding on how best to arrange affairs to suit themselves.
While pretending to be an MP for the good of the country.
Pork pork pork!
The poeple who should police MPs’ expenses are HM Revenue & Customs. They have a great depth of relevant experience and an entrenched tradition of impartiality and confidentiality.
Harman’s cross: http://bit.ly/3GDAM
Don’t over exert the brain cell.
Typical Labour, spend a fortune to solve a simple problem. Then while they are at it include some cunning Machiavellian addon to make like difficult. Can’t wait to see them eradicated. Rent-O-Kill are missing a vital service!
We have an election coming up and we therefore have an opportunity for a Party leader to formulate a proposal for the handling of expenses which accords with the public’s wishes for complete transparency.
Cameron has started the ball rolling.
Quote.
“David Cameron has announced a series of immediate measures to start to rebuild trust in politics and take action on the issue of expenses.
He has banned Conservative MPs from claiming for furniture, other household goods and food shopping; put an end to the practice of ‘flipping’; and set up a Scrutiny Panel to review all excessive claims and arrange repayments where appropriate.
In addition, the Shadow Cabinet and the Conservative Frontbench are publishing online all the expense claims they make to the House of Commons.”
He should continue with unilateral action. The system can be formally modified once Labour have been evicted from office.
I am not a committed Tory, they will get my vote only if they deserve it.
“Fraud inquiry into £100m hole in London Development Agency’s Olympic accounts.”
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6565350.ece
Only £100 million? At least it knocks MPs’ feeble efforts at peculation into a cocked hat.
What are the odds on a failure to prosecute due to insufficient evidence? I will have £500 on it.
I’ll put £100 million on it.
Just their Olympic accounts? A fraud enquiry is overdue on the whole organisation.
Just another Nulab PR exercise designed to disguise their ineptitude.
1. Ignore what is going on for as long as possible, pretending everything is under control
2. When this becomes untenable announce that an urgent review of this longstanding problem is required, as you have frequently canvassed.
3.Introduce an overcomplicated solution to a problem that would never have existed if those responsible had done their job correctly, hiding the solution to the embarrassing issue in Clause 392 Para [iv] Sub Para [1.3.1.4]
4.Claim the credit and simultaneously denigrate opposition for not supporting previous 391 useless clauses.
5.Fuck off quickly and hope nobody notices similarity with lack of effective immigration controls.
I don’t know why anyone is surprised by the difference between what they say they are going to do and what they actually do. These people lie, lie and lie again and all we do is moan on blogs; we need to take action!
I’m on tax-strike. Does that count?
‘Parliament is Sovereign’ – means ‘the people are Soverereign’. Harman is a lefty fuckwit that thinks all problems, sorry ishoos, can be best delt with soem proto Stalinist bureaucratic organisation with zero democratic accountability. To sort all this all she has to do is get McMental to call an election and the people will sort out all the ishoos at the ballot box.
Ditto written constitution.
I really cannot take this crap any more. Every day I get angrier and angrier with the wittling away of democratic accountability. People like Harman are the lowest form of political life one can imagine. Vague thoughts of assassination start to enter my mind every time she starts on again.
You have correctly identified a new class of public servant: Political Vermin.
After St George’s Cross , Nulab now try to ban SCOTTISH flags as racist
Nick McGriffin says ” how many Christmases can you have in one year ? ”
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/news/article2497449.ece
I think you can be pretty certain that if a Little Scotlander had his/her desk festooned with Scottish flags then there is a very definite anti-English racist element to it. Somewhere in the office will be some English chap subject to a constant barrage of ‘sassenach’ and ‘Nigel’ and all the rest of it.
This is Scotland after all. I don’t know what the English did to them but they fucking hate you. The Irish don’t hate you. The French don’t hate you as much as the Scots.
For many of them ‘Braveheart’ is a faithful historical re-enactment and the likes of Alex Salmond are only too happy to tap into that so that he gets to be president of his own little country and get his picture taken at EU summits on the back row with Latvia.
I’ve worked in Scotland.
I left because of the anti english racism.
What you say is absolutely true, but unfortunately it begins with the way that history is taught in Scottish schools. The propaganda begins from birth.
Actually I find Scotland very much like France they all shaft each other because it’s the culture.
I actually went to primary school in Scotland.
I think you’ll find that if there is anything wrong with the way they teach history its the fault of the English bastards.
I can’t quite remember who started WW1 or caused the fall of the Roman empire, but I think that was something to do with English bastards too.
resurgemus – “hey all shaft each other because it’s the culture.”
I thought it was because of the weather.
Yes, Scottish history stops with the Arbroath Declaration
Anonymous at 263.
The point is that it was not me who started World war 1 and was responsible for the fall of the Roman Empire.
So why should I be attacked for it?
Do you remember the saying, “Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it”.
Look at Yugoslavia, Northern Ireland, and Scotland and think to yourself;
“Those who cannot forget the past are condemned to repeat it”.
I am English. And was identifiable so even when I was 5.
I did learn all about putting blame on “other”.
Its actually made me very suspicious of any sort of nationalist or “we’re right, they’re wrong” kind of grouping.
As for WW1, I remember 1870
We nicked their monarchy.
Then traded it in and bought a German model
Too late.
The party that must not be named should never have been allowed to hijack the Union Jack as their Party emblem and the SNP should not have been allowed to hijack the Saltire.
Now every time I see a Union Jack, my immediate association is to the party that must not be named rather than the country that it would be impossible to further shame.
There is another job that needs doing and that is to seize the national flag back from the thugs.
You don’t believe in democracy then? Those who voted for them are not thugs and probably saw the Union Flag as patriotic. Who is this body which is to seize the national flag back and from where? British Airways?
Take a good long look at yourself and what you are saying, A group of people who wish to protect the traditional British way of life and herald it with their flag and in your brainwashed mind you now have learned to believe that this is wrong. I believe this is an example of cognitive dissonance, a dogma instilled by the poisonous liberal consensus that is destroying England.
I have a lot of sympathy with some of the policies of the party that must not be named and with the people who voted for it; in particular support for the British way of life, ending multiculturalism and the favouritism shown to ethnic minorities, and killing off political correctness. These are all laudable aims.
It does however needs people at the top who have the ability to do rather more than flex their muscles and grunt.
They could have made an intelligent comment to the attack by the race relations lobby, and all they came out with was “No comment”. The people who voted for them deserve better representation than that.
And it has to stop being racist, the colour of people is irrelevant.
The snp’s brand of nationalism is predicated on the need for money from the eu, its not de facto nationalism its a short term one in the eye for England. That is the depth of the enmity in which England and the English are held by the scotch when you scratch beneath the surface. The scotttish are institutionally racist towards the English and wear it as a badge of honour – the only thing that surprises me is the general ignorance and tolerance of the fact.
We left Scotland too. For a bundle of reasons but one of them was certainly the undercurrent of anti-Englishness. I didn’t want my kids growing up in Scottish schools getting poisoned against the English, going to Scottish universities and ending up with Scottish husbands/wives and having Scottish grandchildren who would have been trained from the first day of school to hate me.
And having to visit them in fucking Scotland.
So we left.
We don’t miss you!
That said there are huge nimbers of English people happily ensconced in Scotland as there are huge numbers of Scots , Irish, Welsh, Pakistani, Indian, Polish, Rumania, Ugandan , Kenyan, Somalian, Israeli, Iranian etc etc .ensconced in England!
I have no wish to debate your position, Guido, but don’t you think that, maybe, you are standing too close to the wood?
While your fears are valid, there is a flaw in the reasoning.
This sort of high office, for this is what it is, is no the province of amateurs, or the inexperienced. This means the selection reservoir is somewhat limited.
The best qualified will, quite obviously, be a part of, or close to the Establishment.
Would you want to be tried in a court of law by amateurs?
It might be a Hobson’s Choice, but from where else are you going to find the necessary expertise and POWER PLAYERS?
Another quango stuffed full of overpaid and conflicted placemen charged with the task of ensuring that their bosses don’t thieve or misbehave? I don’t think so.
What bit of Parliamentary sovereignty doesn’t this NuLav government understand?
We elect MPs to Parliament to make laws and govern the country. Parliamentarians are supposed to be accountable to us. The fact that the current bunch of politicians are sleazy, corrupt bastards is not the fault of ‘the system’ or ‘the rules’, but reflects the fact that the politicians themselves are sleazy, corrupt bastards. Are we supposed to tear up the constitution because NuLav has no regard for decency, the law of the land or the people’s ancient rights and freedoms?
The solution? We need to get rid of this bunch of hoons – general election now please- and prosecute of the troughers of all parties to the fullest extent of the law. The rules and laws of this country allow for this already. Just take your pick- theft, false accounting, fraud, misfeasance in public office for starters. The fact the the NuLav has over politicised the police and prosecuting authorities only means that those organs of state need a clean out too.
Dave needs to show some balls on this otherwise he can fuck off too.
I completely agree with Guido. Parliament is the highest authority in the land so how can it appoint an ‘independent’ body to regulate it? It’s nonsense. Why has no MP had the balls to point this out? I guess because they are too scared it will be interpreted as opposing ‘reform of the system’. All we need is new rules on MP’s expenses which are transparent, straightforward and do not permit personal gain. Then we need full disclosure of every claim online. That’s all. The DT did a pretty good job of holding MPs to account once it had the information. No MP would dare step out of line again because any dodgy claim would be all over their local press as soon as it was published. Instead we get another massive waste of public money by creating a body that MPs can influnce because they ultimately appoint it. Before long we will be back to “My claim was approved by IPSA and was within the rules.” It beggars belief.
Yes. And what happened to waiting for the recommendations of Sir Christopher (not David as Brown famously fucked up on) Kelly? Steamrollering a partisan bill which doesn’t address the issues. How very dare they?
The standard Labour answer to any problem is more rules. This is because they fundementally don’t understand the role of government. They see it as a route to personal power and enrichment. We see it as a necessary evil to protect our homes and communities. Labour therefore think that to appear in control of everything is the route to electoral success and personal power, and can’t accept that life is random and chaotic and no-one is in charge.
Therefore, when something has gone wrong, they cannot accept that it is a failure in the implementation of the rules as that would be an acceptance they they have failed. The only answer therefore is more rules. This has the satisfactory double effect of moving the debate away from what has gone wrong and gives the appearance that the governments is in control.
It is through the myriad petty regulations and intrusions that this government controls us. We are not even allowed to decide where to park our cars anymore. We are so afraid of breaking rules and being fined that we effectively self-regulate and accept the the government has the right to decide on all aspects of our lives.
This thread is receding into oblivion, but I hope I’m not too late to express my thanks and admiration for this post. You have a distinct and mellow voice which exposes truth without the need for caustic wit or ranting.
Are you a poofter?
NuLab know they are doomed and will soon be facing a decade or more of political obscurity. They may even come third to the Lib Dums. So, they will spend the next few months causing whatever harm they can to the political system, to make life as difficult as possible for the new incoming government, and to feather their own nests in opposition. Many will be on the dole anyway – they will lose their seats – so it’s an act of pure spite.
I keep saying this, because it is true: if you want real nasties, look no further than NuLabour. Stalin would be proud of them.
Tessa Jowell told us weeks ago that the Olympics 2012 was ” On Time and On Budget”; now that Jowell has moved on, KPMG discover a £100m black hole.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article6565350.ece
Boris should scrap it, or run it like a school sports day. A bit of a lark, with tea and buns and tents for the competitors to kip in.
Yeah, the IOC need taking down a peg or 50. From what I have been able to find out they are even more corrupt and trough snouting than New Labour. Yes. Really.
Perhaps Guido should start digging into the mare’s nest that is the IOC and is sucklings?
A cosy cartel of Hunt$
Those William Sisters must have nipples like Chaple hat pegs.
“Automatic fines for minimum wage
Employers who breach minimum wage legislation will now be subject to automatic penalties, whether the breach was deliberate or not. The fines will be based on the underpayment, but in serious cases serious cases can be unlimited.”
Automatic fines are also imposed for not filing certain documents on time, penalty fares are imposed on those travelling on public transport without the right ticket, penalties plus interest are charged on those who don’t pay (even if they are without the benefit of publicly funded professional advice) the correct tax on time.
All these are imposed by legislation framed and approved by the ‘Members’ who think it’s okay if we say ‘sorry’ and pay back their fraudulent expenses claims.
My favourite TV ads are the anti benefit cheats ones. You really couldn’t make it up could you. One bunch of overpaid state apparatchiks doing, well, fuck all really, giving it large to another bunch of slightly less well paid state employees. And making ads for the PR benefit. Whilst at the same time MPs steal shed loads with fraudulent expenses claims. Kafka couldn’t have imagined it better.
And, of course, there are the menacing TV ads about not paying your BBC licence.
Its noticeable that the bankers bonuses are not ‘withering on the vine’.
What do you expect of a part nationalised cartel supplier of a monopoly product? How else can McMental keep this current fictional lull, or ‘phoney war’, in the long drawn out economic car crash brought about his own failed policies, going?
I have found the best way to reduce my employment costs is to switch manufacturing rubber components from Walsall in the West Midlands to central Tokyo
The minimum wage is only a very small part of the extra cost burden imposed by business friendly New Labour, we design to India, steel ring production to Texas, PTFE production to Australia
I take it that men wont be allowed
At long last the plod are going to take action on illegal pikey camps.
They are throwing a party for them.
The Penguin
Ah yes, but we have to be “inclusive”, don’t we. So I look forward to the police throwing a party for middle class taxpayers too.
one needed for paedophiles, one for rapists and one for serial murderers.
These minorities are repeatedly discriminated against with arbitrary arrest and imprisonment.
Let’s celebrate our diversity and stop discrimination!
Let’s stop attacking defenceless animals too!
“PETA is upset with Barack Obama killing a fly during a televised interview. We support compassion even for the most curious, smallest and least sympathetic animals.”
Link
I read in the Scotsman today , that there is to be a ” new ” piece of legislation which could/might/maybe /possibly imprison MPs who fraudulently claim OUR money which could lead to UP TO 12 months in clink!
What happened to the fraud laws which could see you . me or anybody else imprisoned for up to 14 years?
Well, that is a good question.
Latest OECD assessment:
“UNITED KINGDOM
The economy is in a severe recession, with output projected to decline by 4.3% in 2009 and recover only mildly in 2010. The financial crisis has severely impaired the supply of credit and house prices have fallen sharply, thus restraining business and household spending. The depreciation of sterling is
mitigating the downturn, but cannot overcome falling foreign demand. The unemployment rate is projected to rise towards 10% in 2010, with inflation well below the 2% target for an extended period.
Measures to support the financial sector, dramatic monetary easing and fiscal stimulus, have cushioned the downturn. Given a policy rate close to zero and quantitative easing well underway, monetary policy is highly expansionary. At the same time, public finances have deteriorated sharply — with the fiscal deficit expected to rise to 14% of GDP in 2010 — curtailing the possibilities
for additional fiscal stimulus.”
We are getting on with the job. This is a global problem, which needs a global solution. Hard working families can rest assured that by the time the tories gain power, we’ll have made the problem ten times worse.
“The fiscal deficit is expected to rise to 14 per cent of economic output in 2010, compared to an average of 8.75 per cent in the 30 most developed economies”
We are uniquely placed to weather the global downturn that started in America. I am getting on with the job of taking the right decisions to help hard-working families.
Vote Labour.
Oh do fuck off Brown.
New Labour = Stranger Danger
No surprise to most of us, just take a walk down any of the local high street and see shops closed and bargain basement prices elsewhere. If there are green shoots then they are well Camouflaged. No, lets rephrase that transparent shoots.
If you were recruiting somebody to run an expense claim system for 650 people in a private organisation you’d recruit one person and an assistant at a combined cost of £60k topside. It’s really not rocket science.
The correct phrase is ‘engineering’ not ‘science’.
Anyone seen my beagle?
First we beagles were made to smoke for cancer research. Now you’re firing us at mars. Cruel bastard.
OT
John Prescott’s voters reap their just rewards….
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8115143.stm
Fook off, we’re building a pie factory next year.
Yup,
not even the toilet seat industry could save them
But I’m prepared to bet the Pavlovian instinct will prevail and that come election time the cock-waving, absent-minded bulemic will be re-elected with a handsome majority.
Unless he hands on his hereditary seat to his son.
It is hard to feel sorry for such self-harming behaviour.
sad to say you are 100% correct as the kamikaze tendancy is alive and kicking.
Note however B&P have now 10% of the vote in that region ( probably higher now due to Lindsey fiasco? ) if they win more votes standby for shit throwing – it’s all the Tories fault. Nothing to do of course with dog-whistling British jobs for British workers.
Hattie has taken the Queen’s Shrilling and should relocate to Bray.
I’m yet to find a member of the public who thinks either that there was anything much wrong with the rules as they currently stand, or that MP’s should not gave help to cover the expenses they incur.
These morons still don’t get it: it’s the honesty of MP’s themselves that is faulty, not the “system “, or “rules”. And in the face of this truth, the Prime Minister lacks the moral courage to sack even a worthless minnow like Shahid Malik.
Brown’s attempt to make political capital from new proposals, in advance of Sir Christopher Kelley’s report is cycnical in the extreme.
(And did anyone else notice how the PM ushered in the new Speaker by announcing the new expenses proposals live on air to a grateful BBC? Day 1 and nothing has changed?)
There are probably, in percentage terms, more crooks in the House of Commons than there are in Pentonville prison.
Brown will get the Conservatives elected and destroy Labour – that will be his legacy
Guardian agrees.
Though LibDems may be too stupid to take their chance.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/23/labour-left-democracy
PMQ’s and Bercow will interesting to see the tooing and throwing today. How many times will Brown repeat tory cut labour invest. Brown = Automaton.
Indeed, especially as cabinet meetings are always a scream as they disagree with Brown’s continued ‘maintain/increase public spending’ mantra.
Will Call me Dave take him to task. Probably not.
I’ll tell you what directorships I have, but I won’t tell you how much time I spend on them or how much money I receive because it’s secret.
You can bet your grandmother that it’s several times the pitiful wage of an ordinary MP. Probably twenty times, at least.
Lazard & Co., Holdings Limited.
Lazard & Co., Limited.
Lazard & Co., Services Limited.
Lazard Asia Limited.
Lazard Asia Hong Kong.
Lazard India (Private ) Limited.
Mitchell
Don’t play with the big boys
Try JPMorgan, Zurich Finance, set up your foundation and schmooze with Bill Clinton.
Honestly bumpkin MPs trying to sound big , my missus earns more
Yeah but you’ve been kicked out, please George can I do something on Lebanon please George.
Sure dude.
We should not be surprised by this for Brown is incapable of changing his ways and this is merely another manifestation of his congenitally flawed personality along with others such as lying and not answering any straight questions that are put to him.
Cabinet sessions must be surreal. Everyone single one of them sitting their knowing they shouldn’t still be there, but they are…..
er, there
Bastard mothafuckers.
Murray or Kournikova?
♫ We got away with it ♫ la la la la ♫
Brown eats to many Banana Splits!
one banana two banana three banana four Brown’s gonna get knocked to the floor, five banana six banana seven banana Brown’s gonna fuck it up once more.
may be raised at PMQ’s….probably not.
My prediction: At least two Blackshirts in the House of Commons by 2012 – at the GE, one at a by-election.
The more Labour harrass them, the more they play the victim & underdog, the more support they will get. It’s the curse of Jonah again.
About time we had some snappy uniforms on the street, my father, like Jack Straw was a communist look what good this lot have done.
This is the Story of Elizabeth Filkin
Another civil servant royally fucked over.
Agh look you guys. This could be my last chance to get a Bill on the Statute Books before an Election….Go on, Gzza Chance??
Speaker Martin has joined the distinguished ranks of Ian Paisely, Robert Kilroy-Silk and Peter Mandelson to taint the fair county of North Yorkshire by becoming installed as “Steward of the Manor of Northstead”.
This is a device to enable him to retire as an MP.
There is no clear need for him to be enobled: the proposed elevation to the Lords is merely symbolic and a matter of honour.
Can it really be (as it appeared on Monday) that no-one in the Commons was concerned that a Speaker who has demonstrably lost their confidence should now have the honour of a life peerage bestowed upon him? Does this incompetent and incoherent fuckwit really need to be made a legislator for life?
Just fuck off back to the Gorbals, Mick!
They just can’t fail, can they. Even if they make a pig’s ear of the job, they look after their own. This has got to stop.
“The BBC’s Director-General today claimed there was an ideological plot behind plans to “topslice” the television licence fee.”
That’s it Gordon, piss off your only remaining loyal supporter in the MSM why don’t ya?
http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article6568404.ece
Well personally, I thinks it’s a bloody good idea!
Harman Bill : Not Independent, Not Credible, Not fucking surprising
Under the new transparent expences home flipping will always be blacked out
CROOKED BASTARDS
Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority. It’s the same as calling something ‘The Justice Department’ – You know it’s the last thing you’re going to find there,as you know the PSA won’t be Independent.
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HAI GUISE
THAT GNU BILL IS WRIT IN DGJEWISH LAWYURS* DOGSKRYPT LINGO
HAO TO FORM A BRAND GNU KHUMPANNEE
BY HARI
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HARI HARMAN FLYS THE PARLIAMENTARY STANDARD
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The Hard Party Wins Hands Daouwn Yet A Gain
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