+++ New Group “European Conservatives and Reformists” +++
UPDATE : Group members include
Belgium: Lijst Dedecker (LDD), with 1 MEP in the New Group
Czech Republic: Civic Democratic Party (ODS), with 9 MEPs
Finland: The Centre Party (Keskusta) sits in the Liberal (ALDE) group but one of its MEPs is now joining the New Group.
Hungary: Hungarian Democratic Forum (MDF) with 1 MEP
Latvia: Latvian National Independence Movement (TB/LNNK) with 1 MEP
The Netherlands: ChristianUnion (ChristenUnie) with 1 MEP
Poland: Law & Justice (PiS) with 15 MEPs
United Kingdom: The Conservative Party, with 26 MEPs in the New Group.
They have issued a group declaration:
THE PRAGUE DECLARATION OF PRINCIPLES OF THE EUROPEAN CONSERVATIVES AND REFORMISTS GROUP IN THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT
CONSCIOUS OF THE URGENT NEED TO REFORM THE EU ON THE BASIS OF EUROREALISM, OPENNESS, ACCOUNTABILITY AND DEMOCRACY, IN A WAY THAT RESPECTS THE SOVEREIGNTY OF OUR NATIONS AND CONCENTRATES ON ECONOMIC RECOVERY, GROWTH AND COMPETITIVENESS, THE EUROPEAN CONSERVATIVES AND REFORMISTS GROUP SHARES THE
FOLLOWING PRINCIPLES:1. Free enterprise, free and fair trade and competition, minimal regulation, lower taxation, and small government as the ultimate catalysts for individual freedom and personal and national prosperity.
2. Freedom of the individual, more personal responsibility and greater democratic accountability.
3. Sustainable, clean energy supply with an emphasis on energy security.
4. The importance of the family as the bedrock of society.
5. The sovereign integrity of the nation state, opposition to EU federalism and a renewed respect for true subsidiarity.
6. The overriding value of the transatlantic security relationship in a revitalised NATO, and support for young democracies across Europe.
7. Effectively controlled immigration and an end to abuse of asylum procedures
8. Efficient and modern public services and sensitivity to the needs of both rural and urban communities.
9. An end to waste and excessive bureaucracy and a commitment to greater transparency and probity in the EU institutions and use of EU funds.
10. Respect and equitable treatment for all EU countries, new and old, large and small.
A stitch up is all we British public need now to totally make us revolt against this Labour Party.
The EU we can deal with later…
Unfortunately we cannot deal with the EU later. We are being stitched up so that there will not be an election until after the Irish vote and Lisbon comes into force right across the EU. One nation under Brussels.
http://lpuk.blogspot.com/2009/06/mandelson-brown-cameron-blair-arrogant.html
Let’s take our own country back first.
Let’s start today.
That lot still won’t cut it. They all still just want the bloody money. F*** them.
The EU, as Dr Sean Gabb of The Libertarian Alliance has often said, is “A” problem, but it is not currently “THE” problem.
“THE” problem is our sadly-home-grown-GramscoFabiaNazis currently squatting in the Commons Chamber here.
All the more reason to take to the streets and demand a general election now!
Charles, __you__ try getting a GE now, then.
Can you?
An amusingly motley crew who will no doubt prove most effective when Kenneth Clarke tells them all to fuck off since he’s already decided the Conservatives are going to meekly roll over for Lisbon.
Reforming the EU is like reforming the Mafia – doomed to failure as both are money sucking corrupt organisations that buy off politicians for their own ends.
More in Europe but not run by Europe. UKIP for me at the national elections, bollocks to all the main three EU whore parties.
No hope of a referendum to leave then?
Shame.
Agree with 38. Take our nation back first then see where we meet eye to eye. Vote UKIP for me
Thousands of hostile messages are being posted across the internet every day warning this Government of social disorder if they continue to ignore the voice of the people.
They will only have themselves to blame when the spark is lit. They certainly will not be able to claim they were not warned.
If MP’s won’t listen to the people, some suggested courses of action:
* Tell your MP what you think NOW: http://www.writetothem.com/
* Rolling national strike by individuals – A MASS SICKY.
* Picket MP’s surgeries
* Tell your MP what you think of them (if they dare show their faces)
* Boo the Prime Minister, boo your MP
* Vote anyone but Labour, Liberal or Conservative
* March on Parliament (tried it, they don’t listen)
I have already written to my MP, David Ruffley, giving my unexpurgated views on the state of the HoC and the shysters in it. I am still waiting for the courtesy of a reply.
He’s probably too busy wading through thousands of similar messages.
The Fuel Protests once showed what can be done – if the oil and power workers down tools, it will end the present shambolic sham of a government!
Let’s focus on them then.
spark = lit
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SARAH PAYLIN PLOTPLINQKER
The police have already been practicing how to deal with the public, as you can see from the video in this article, they are going straight for peoples throat and pressing their jugular vein to make them stop protesting.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jun/21/kingsnorth-protester-arrests-video-complaint
Any attempt to restore democracy to the UK will not be pretty…… if the people can be arsed to get out of their homes from watching Eastenders / Coronation Street.
I would be there but there’s some good telly on tonight and then England are playing lower bostwania in the world cup a real nail biting game is in the offing. Must get on my made in China Engerland shirt and get in the cold german lagers – right patriot I am mate, don’t know about all that politics stuff but never miss and England game and that’s what it’s all about innit. Come on Engerlaaand oh fuck it they’ve just lost 4 nil.
True. The thousands of hostile messages are indeed out there, including 70,000 telling Cyclops to fuck off. There’s a MAJOR problem, guys and gals. We need a figurehead for us all to line up behind. That would have to be one brave individual, taking on the sleazy bunch headed by our lying, verging on criminal, unelected ‘PM,’ Scandalbum, backed up by the Special Branch and a police force who kill in public and get away with it.
Or one celeb with a spine will do.
I vote for Jeremy Clarkson, if only he can tear himself away from his large mansion in Oxfordshire with his five cars in the driveway and get here on time.
lol Alfa – Clarkson would be a good one, he’s get my vote if he promised to campaign against all the Elf ‘n’ Safety legislation…
I could imagine his reaction as an MP if the council decided to ban Christmas, put up speed bumps or decide that something was too dangerous even though it hasn’t been for the past few decades.
?????????????????????????????give us some info what are they about ???????????????????????????
glad you said it first! If I had they’d just dismiss me as window dressing.
Pull the curtains, there’s a dear!!
Have you had yer hair done lass? Poles have chucked in 15 – but sub-toatl only seems about 46 ish so I wouldn’t expect anything much.
Check out the comments boards on the Times, Telegraph, Daily Mail, in fact ANY newspaper, national or local.
Check out Youtube – any video covering UK politics
Check out any website covering politics, and many that don’t.
What is happening out there is the biggest grassroots revolt ever witnessed.
MP’s are in the eye of the storm, they just don’t know it yet.
It is safe to say that the British people have FINALLY woken.
just by these last few comments you can see why people are sick of the”BIG THREE” parties like a fart they make the noise but with no substance that is why the BNP is rising not because prople are racist but out of frustration at not being heard .The anger you feel from people who dont give a flying fuck about poiitics or what the scum playing at it do . they just want a decent life for them and theirs work hard for a few little luxuries in life .not to be taxed out of existance by the wealthy stealing every penny they can get their grubby mitts on freedom of speach although it might upset a few should be the right of the many enough said !
Your theory is punctured somewhat by reality.
In the real world only 35% of the electorate bothered to vote in the recent European election.
That means that 5% of the electorate voted for UKIP, and 10% voted for the Conservitudes.
Did you do those sums all by yourself without help from mummy? Oh, you are a good boy arencha? Do you want a sweetie, do you, would you like a sweetie for being soooo good?
Your comment is part of the great awakening, no doubt and how sweet, to be an idiot, it must be, for you.
Great awakening?!? If by that you mean the feeling of being repeatedly kicked in the head by the corruption, venality, scorn & derision displayed by mendacious Labour shills, then I think perhaps it would be more like a coma, a catatonic aestevation in the banal hope that I can drink my way through the next year and that all Labour are shot through the genitals and have accupuncture done through the heart. But yeah, point noted!
the only reason anybody voted at all in the EU elections was they were already at the poling station to vote in the local’s !
Someone’s feeding the fascist this guff. I’m sure if he continues posting we will all be converted to Nu Labour.
…out of boredom.
No, I reckon thousands are still stranded on their sofas, watching inane programmes on the tv. The opium of the people and all that?
So Master Baiter, enlighten us – what percentage of the vote did Gordon Brown’s Failure Party get?
Are Dick the aptly named and Biffo the burke suggesting that we should count an abstention as a vote for change? Or is this the frustration of the Pink Panzers coming out ( pardon the expression). Brown may be a nutter and Cameron a turd (although that was actually Osbornes nickname at school) but the any atempt to change the system outside the ballot box deserves to be ruthlessly crushed.
This new grouping is all a sop.
More “In Europe but not run by Europe” crap, while still handing over more and more power and trousering the cash.
When can we just bloody leave?
“In the real world only 35% of the electorate bothered to vote in the recent European election.”
The ballot paper was too complex for Labour voters. No criminal names they could recognise so they opted out, otherwise the vote might have gone up 2 or three per cent. Wankers, apt name for labourites.
Ah, the cry of the aristocracy – too complex for the plebs. Be a good boy old rightie and piss off back to the Pink Panzers then the rest of us can get on with the real work of getting rid of Labour.
Cameron talks the talk only when too many people seem to have noticed that the Tory, Labour and Liberal varieties of excrement comprise one inseparable heap.
Words are cheap. He’ll walk away from those in the declaration above.
Considering only the revealed embezzling of expenses, does anyone here believe that the sitting parties should be allowed anywhere near Parliament?
re: EU and david cameron.
dave’s a dodgy motherfucker. can’t be trusted, he is a dishonest c’unt. don’t believe a word the c’unt says he is as trustworthy as tony blair.
end of story.
more thevies then
♫ Took my thevie to the levee ♫
Hey that’s quite witty, man.
Do ya do cartoons? There’s a job going. No skills necessary, apparently.
It’s still witty though.
shoot ‘em up the arse !
What a waste of a bullet. They’re not worth it.
MPs’ would expense the bullet that shot them.
At least that would get them in the brain!
Conservatives and Reformists?
That covers all the bases then.
Against how many others?
contradiction in terms. Looking at the other members of the group they seem to have brought together every bunch of nutters in the EU other than UK Labour.
Libelling the only progressive political group with representation in ‘europe’ is not helpful. ‘Anonymous’ makes for a usefully manipulated cat’s paw in doing this. Suspicions that his server was located in either Belgium, France, or Luxembourg would occur only to an utter hoon. Among whose number I am happily counted.
So you have no concerns about associating with a party that celebrates the Waffen SS?
A group for headbangers then?
Can’t be if your lot aren’t in it
How about some real policies, not just this grouping sideshow guff?
No More! Scrap all EU policies
The plates are shifting.
Now that’s tectonic
Just like on the Titanic…
Can I take these plates away now then?
Would you like to see the dessert menu?
Aren’t you meant to have redacted the first word Guido?
You’ll get no sensible debate about the great Satan here – just the usual Eddy-The-Eagle-Union-Jack-boxer-short bollocks!
Not how the Americans see things panning out though is it!
Anyway at least the Iranians still have a sense of humour.
Earth calling the grassroots, earth calling the grassroots – Daphne is that you?
The EU was about Trade but was hijacked for the political classes.
The Union between Scotland and England was about Trade – google “Darien Fiasco” – but 300 years later….
Its about time to look after our own interests and stop sleepwalking into another union that only serves the political classes.
Free the English™
The Eu is a bumfest. Let’s get the hell out
welcome aboard
Welcome aboard Titanic Mr Prescott. We have put you on Lower Deck 12 for ballast purposes.
We just have to hope that the Irish vote “No”.
You can’t rely on another nation to get us out of a mess we were too lazy to do anything about.
Besides, the EU want their superstate, and they will keep coming back until they get it.
It’s time to vote for any party that wants out.
NOT LABOUR, NOT CONSERVATIVE, NOT LIBERAL.
Whichever party gets in (unless it’s UKIP) I can’t see us getting out of Europe. There’s too much money in it – mainly for the MEP’s.
We can leave any time, it’s no problem, and we owe them so much dosh that they won’t come after us. We’d just have to repeal the relevant Acts. We can.
(But we won’t.)
The Irish vote “no” to help the British?
Didn’t you just ensure a “yes” vote?
Aye – but they keep getting told to vote until they say “yes”!
That’s the best reason to keep voting NO
If they do, they will be simply told to vote again.
and again.
and again.
until the ‘correct’ result appears.
Here we do it one go, with postal votes.
Don’t tell the Irish we want them to vote no. They are a contrary lot, and would vote yes just to spite us. Got nothing against the Irish, got some in me myself myself!
here! here !
Or google “Darien Gap” the only gap in the Pan-American highway it’s pure swamp – so where does Scotland propose having its major colony?
You idiots..you won’t miss the [democratic] water til the well runs dry, will you.
If there was a demonstration, many people could be arrested under the Terrorism Act, despite their right to rally against government. The democratic water started running out about 12 years ago, but the majority of the public (not me) wanted a Labour government.
We got what we deserved.
I was seething on Saturday. I was trying to walk around central London (my captial city), but was prevented from going around chunks of it by the Met allowing a load of Tamils to have a demonstration.
I’m sure they’ve got a reason to protest (and I don’t want to get into the debate about the Sri Lankan situation, it’s not the point I’m making), but why can’t WE have a demonstration in our own country?
Does it need a load of us to fly to Columbo to protest about the corrupt undemocratic surveillence system we live in?
“……….but the majority of the public (not me) wanted a Labour government” ????? er only 21.59% of the electorate actually voted for Labour in 2005 so hardly a “majority .
A significant % of the electorate don’t actually vote(a bigger % voted in X Factor or Britain’s Got Talent than in the 2005 GE) and don’t give a fuck as long as they can continue to watch “Corrie” etc AND that is why there will NEVER be a popular uprising or street protests(like Iran) in the UK.
Corrie IS the opium of the masses…
It wasn’t a majority in the true sense of the word but after proportional representation was enforced, that’s how it was. We didn’t do anything about that either.
Made me laugh over the weekend and some dickhead spouting about the Iranians having the right to protest.
Lucky them.
and they get to elect their leader! – Lucky bastards
That’s why newlabour brought in all those terrorism laws, obviously expecting trouble on the demonstration front.
what democratic water ? we have been forced into something most people never wanted ! COMMON MARKET NOT EUROPEAN SUPER STATE ! run by the germans and french ! two world wars and they never took this island .now they are close to taking it without a shot fired a clever plan to colaberate with our “thick” political masters who think they will benefit from it as did the upper class colaborators who tried to stike a deal with hitler 65 years ago ! many brave men and women gave their lives for our freedom all for what if we just roll over ? the fact you can express your views here is just one thing that will be taken from you !
Apart from the French and German taking the Island without a shot . . . have you read the most populous name in Britain is Patel?
(just asking)
Postle
Welcome to Great Jamacistan
Up our way everyone has the name “Mohammed”
Must get very confusing – especially for benefit forms, housing allowance and paying tax
No mate that’s Wembley. Wembley is known as Patelville.
my point exactly ! your right to say that although it may upset some people ,is nevertheless a right ! which is now deemed as racialy motivated it isn’t about race it’s about freedom of speach no matter how distastefull it might be , it is still a right !
How much worse can it get?
If we are going to have fascists in power let’s do the job properly and vote for proper fascists rather than socialist fascists, conservative fascists, liberal fascists, green fascists or religious fascists.
Well now see how many MEPs join a eurosceptic alliance. Inside the EU but anti federalist. Wait and see is the only thing I can recommend.
We have waited and seen.
Out now please.
Sarkozy is getting a bit touchy. Thinks there could be a French revolution if EU doesn’t soften its views. The contagion spreads.
Well they certainly talk a good game… They’ve got my vote already! Stick that in your UKIP pipe and smoke it!
It looks like they lifted most of their idea’s from Blair’s manifesto of ‘97.
Look where that got us.
Ahh, but he didn’t actually mean it.
Nor actually do it.
Just saying it counts as action to them. Stage 2 is announce (more meaningless words) that they are about to hose the problem with (insert large number here) of Pounds.
Job done.
Nor do they. It’s a bluff to get the remaining countries to vote ‘Yes’ to Lisbon – then they’ll show their true colours, and make Hitler & Stalin look like the ‘good guys’. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely – and that’s what the EU wants.
Blair told us not to be cynical! I remember.
hoping we’d be naive instead……
1. Free enterprise, free and fair trade and competition, minimal regulation, lower taxation, and small government as the ultimate catalysts for individual freedom and personal and national prosperity.
Deregulate the mortgage market
Stop states regulating credit bubbles into existence!
Repeal Basel2.
The recession was brought in to being by free market ideologues. The free market has been tried and is failing spectacularly.
Your riposte will be…but it wasn’t properly free.
The riposte to that is
whatever, loser
“whatever, loser”
Pretty much sums up the intellectual content of the your arguments.
Whereas you are cunningly invincible by having no argument or position.
Perhaps also you are a member of the ‘do nothing’ party.
Socialism produces a permanent depression; in free market economies they are just blips which subsequently spur on renewed growth.
Have you ever seen a Soviet bread queue? Well if Broon stays in power for much longer, you will.
My girlfrinfd in her youth used to collect trolls. All small and Ginger, sounds like one of your relatives you spineless twat.
Love to all except that Kunt MB,
Dixie
You are mistaken. The words free and market are not appropriate. The words greed and trough are more apt. Both failings were actively encouraged by politicians who loved to climb on the coat tails of the feeding frenzy and claim a range of ‘achievements’ which have turned to dust. That they now try to recreate the same circumstances to solve the problem is frankly insane.
I would prefer a ‘do nothing’ party of any political leaning rather than watch hubris in action.
Which ‘do nothing’ Party is that MB? Gordon Brown’s Do Nothing but Bankrupt the Country Failure Party?
Gordon Brown & the Failure Party have half achieved their aim – they’ve got rid of Boom & Bust & replaced it with Bust & Bust, Basil Brush is the only one going Boom Boom these days.
Jonty – I thought your father and I both told you there was to be no more consorting with all those nasty Tory lovers on that silly website!!!
The credit bubble was regulated into existence as it suited governments who taxed the shit out of the credit they created.
Only an idiot who confuses spending with investment would do that.
You mean Gordon has not eliminated Boom and Bust?
The Penguin
Just the boom part
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/columnists/william_rees_mogg/article6549491.ece
It makes my blood boil it does. In the comments section you’ve got the usual pro-europeans call ing skeptics ‘Little Englanders’. Of course we’re little englanders I mean we’re not japanese are we? It’s our country-England ffs. It’s not theirs to give away.
Bercow’s definitely a little Englander..
Your best joke yet NG
A good comment piece, following up on what was said by Dan Hannan in the Torygraph on Sunday – basically that the govt plan, led by Mandlebum, is to ensure at all costs that Lisbon is ratified before our general election. This matters more to them than winning the election, which they have given up on already.
They know which way we would vote in a referendum, so don’t want us to have the opportunity to do so.
Also of note is that “Apart from Ireland, at least three other nations have not yet completed the process of ratifying Lisbon. German ratification is subject to the constitutional court, which has to satisfy itself that Lisbon is compatible with German democracy. Poland and the Czech Republic require the signatures of their presidents.”
So the Germans, Czechs and Polish could still derail the Project, as well as the Irish.
And the Germans must be getting worried about the cost of the EU to themselves now Europe is in recession. It could all fall apart at the seams.
Oh come off it, the Jeeermans are only too delighted to hand their hard-earned to the Bulgarians and the Latvians and the Portuguese or who ever else fucking well asks for it. Aren’t they?
The Penguin
And no poofters, right Bruce?
Yeah too right Bruce!
I have finally managed to save £10. Are your doors still open?
I would stay where you are. I hear natural born Aussies now have to have preference for jobs. They don’t mess about over there.
Natural born Aussies have voted themselves a Labour govt – they’ll regret it.
but it looks like the Aussie tories have learnt a few lessons from our lot – forging emails and then getting caught.
Nope China’s just bought all the mineral wealth of Australia. Seeing as that’s all the wealth the country has they’ve bought Australia.
So from now on the Australians of European descent are to be sent back to Europe, mostly England, where they can moan and whine as much as they want.
Those repatriated workers will be replaced by hard working, well educated and much less pricey Chinese workers.
Question:
What do you get when you mixing reform with conservatism?
Answer:
Nothing
What do you get when you mix the labour party with the EU?
Removal of democracy.
Removal of Freedom.
Removal of economic growth.
Removal of free speech.
Removal of the right to protest.
Removal of Liberty.
EU + Labour = Slavery.
You missed out “open borders and a tidal wave of immigration”.
You are quite right.
We now filter immigration AGAINST quality rather than for quality immigrants.
It’s because Labour hoped that they’d be more likely to vote Zanu.
Gerrymandering at the expense of the British People. It’s ALL Labour does.
You also missed out
“an increase in the number of state-employed fuckwit apologists justifying their masters incompetence, malevolence and fraudelence.”
What do you get when you mix New with Labour?
Royally fucked over.
What do you need if you think Gordon & co can save us?
A Lobotomy (surgical interruption of nerve tracts to and from the frontal lobe of the brain; often results in marked cognitive and personality changes)
I’d sooner have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
Ha ha ha!
I’ll drink to that Engineer. Good spot on the previous thread, thought exactly the same as you.
I’d sooner have a full bottle in front of me than a full frontal lobotomy. But then I’m thirsty.
The Penguin
THE PRAGUE DECLARATION OF PRINCIPLES OF THE EUROPEAN CONSERVATIVES AND REFORMISTS GROUP IN THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT cont…
11. Big fat cigars and Champagne all round, stick it on the bill
12. Call girls two a dozen at my villa in Sardinia paid for by taxpayer.
13. First class travel and plenty of fact finding foreign holidays
14. All expenses paid, no questions asked, no receipts required.
you forgot lots of young boys for peter mangledbum !
I think I covered that in point 12.
I’ll amend point 12. of the treaty to read:
12. Call boys and call girls two a dozen at my villa in Sardinia paid for by taxpayer.
thank you ! now i’ll sleep better (not with the little boys though)
Sounds like Sepp Blatter and his FIFA cronies.
I must admit it sounds rather good! I agree with all the points in their statement of intent. Bravo Cameron.
Gives a decent alternative to voting for UKIP (sadly there’s no chance of leaving the EU now anyway). Th Conservatives have done enough to get my vote now despite still being a bit ‘pansy’ for my liking!
Actually The Polish and the Cech presidents still need to sign the Treaty…. Interesting that both these counties are in this group. Well done Dave a very bold move and unlike any other party has managed to get his European mandate out before a GE is announced ending all the speculation with regards to it.
Minimal Regulation – yes just what the banks need, oh hang on.
What caused BSE?
Cross cows?
Thatcher era deregulation of rendering plants, actually.
No – it was the lowering of rendering temperatures, which was acknowledged as a mistake by a subsequent Conservative govt. I await with fluttering heart and bated breath Gordon’s post-retirement outpourings re his errors and mistakes. But perhaps he will be too busy “preserving his legacy”. WTF?
Deregulation allowed the lower temperatures which levels previously had been regulated, another festering gift of Thatcherism.
We’ll not mention Foot and Mouth then. In fact, we’ll not mention it several times.
The issue is deregulation, try and keep up.
The issue is the welfare of farm animals. What was the Foot and Mouth cull total again?
Could we cull Foot in Mouth too? That would get rid of a few members of government…
Thatcher was responsible for swine flu and global warming. Socialist FACT.
And she made it rain on our village fete day. Bitch!
And she was behind the Norman invasion….
But she fucked Scargill good and proper, so she’s forgiven.
About 12 million animals, and 12 billion wonga. And many people’s lives.
We shall not forgive or forget.
Fire. And piano wire.
Seconded – and I’m only a townie.
The main thing wrong with scargill was his fold over hair style. He has quite a nice face. Well, I don’t know what he looks like now.
Regulation CAUSED the credit bubble.
It was regulated into existence by Basel 2.
Governments loved the extra tax revenue caused by using credit for consumption, and it masked the economic damage caused by socialism.
Here Fido, come here little puppy,
arf, arf, arf,
Bang
I could have guessed you were cruel to animals MB. Just leave the small children alone.
NewGirl, good wishes to you. You always give the impression of being a thoughtful and pleasant, if dim, person.
Whereas you MB, bright as a button..
Wow, that was an authoritative counter argument refuting my facts.
Maybe you should comment on blogs about dogs and Lolcats instead of political gossip sites?
Its really difficult to deal with MB AC1, he’s too intellectual for most of us. Sometimes he even finishes his arguments with the comment “loser” and there really is no comeback to such well thought out, well argued constructive criticism.
PS what’s a LOlcat?
She’s blonde. Have some sympathy pal.
Brown didn’t have to worry about the profit and loss account. It was profit profit all the way. Like winning the lottery. Just had to find ways to spend it.
Reagulation caused the Financial clusterfuck.
Yeah right, what hilarious laughable lunatic Bullshit.
The pitiful lack of regulation on Credit Default Swaps and Collateralised Loan Obligations as well as the farcical if not fraudulent mess of things that the Credit Ratings Agencies were responsible for are the primary reasons the Financial Sector went into meltdown.
Even Mervyn King the Governor of the Bank of England was completely frank about the dangerous lack of regulation in the City and slapped that hopeless fuckwit Chancellor Darling about for his drooling idiocy in trying to say otherwise in a recent speech.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8106209.stm
Must be pretty embarrassing to be on the same childs spin page as Alistair Darling when it comes to regulation or the Economy.
It started in america…
But wait, before here is how it started in America:
starts to get interesting after about 20 mins…
http://audio.thisamericanlife.org/player/CPRadio_player.php?podcast=http://www.thisamericanlife.org/xmlfeeds/382.xml&proxyloc=http://audio.thisamericanlife.org/player/customproxy.php
Another parcel of EU shite. Champion troughsnouts the lot of them.
Meanwhile, back at the sequestered ranch, Tsvangerai wanders in with Mugabe’s begging bowl and is instantly promised more of our bloody taxes to go straight into Swiss accounts of creatures with the initials T and M.
These rainbow pedlars give me a pain in the balls.
Meanwhile, thousands of British pensioners languish inside and outside hospital
suffering from malnutrition brought on by horrendous fuel charges and fuel tax to save the rainbow planet.
The EU needs to be destroyed before it implodes.
That’s more like it.
Encore!
In the context of standard MEP-think this seems to me to be, amazingly, a step in the right direction. At the risk of sounding slightly positive, by the way.
Steady on TT…
Sorry to break up the party with that one NG
don’t worry TT, MB’s around to rattle my chain..
NG are you implying you are a hound?
Its what they use to keep me in the window MB. You know that’s how the government treats us wimmin.
aahh!…’they’
So sorry that MB got out again today without taking his medication. He is such an unruly little boy and he’s not taken his daily lithium dose. We’ve got him back in the strait jacket now, and he’s quiet again, so please just ignore his little outbursts on here. We might let him have a quick one off the wrist later tonight because he’s dribbling again in his high chair.
Let’s wait for what they do, not what they say.
They’ll eat drink and fuck at our expense. As usual.
AC1 – exactement, mon brave. We most of us can talk a good game when required, let’s see if they walk the walk.
So which ones are the racists & homophobes again??
Would that be your old-style Labour voter, now switching to the BNP?
That’ll be Voldemort and McBroon.
The Penguin
put me down for both.
Fuck all this waffle. When is the referendum?
exactly
I tell you ,the fuckers are fixing the Irish vote right now,so we cannot have one.
By electing two non accredited mep’s,the British people have shown themselves to be unworthy of the right to express any opinion,and therefore are barred from any future decision making.
Which referendum? The one promised in the Labour Party’s manifesto?
There’s one or two promises this incumbent shower have failed to achieve so don’t hold your breath about a referendum.
“The importance of the family as the bedrock of society.”
This statement could get the Tories into trouble.
Some of their new friends e.g. Pis, MDF and the ChristenUnie are very socially conservative, very anti-abortion and gay rights. I don’t think they will be happy when they learn about Tory MPs leaving their wives for their male friends. And I suspect the British Meida won’t be happy with some of the views about gays of the Tories’ new friends.
Oh who cares what the British media bunch of luvvie leftie tossers think?
Good for you NG!
US citizens avoid self incrimintation by “taking the fifth”. Perhaps subscribing MEPs will in future be able do the same with the Fourth, henceforth popularly known as “taking the Oaten”.
“”The importance of the family as the bedrock of society”"
Ammunition for the “Diversity Brigades” …who condone the taxpayer paying for anyone to bring up children.
Call me irresponsible – but I waited until I had a reasonable job, home and was in a stable relationship before I had children. Now I realise such ideas are “old hat” but I have this belief that it is not the taxpayers job to bring up my children.
How terribly reactionary of you Mr Macbeth. Bet you didn’t call them Shanelle or Courtney either?
Moderation, moderation in everything. A first for me on here?
Ha ha misog what did you say?
Replied to a comment by Engineer, agreed with him and congratulated him on his comment from the previous thread. You commented minutes befor me but it wasn’t there when I sent mine.
When it went to the next thread it appeared. Read it 174 is you, 180 me.
…….Trying to work it out……have you forgotten I’m blonde?!
Is there ONE statement in “THE PRAGUE DECLARATION” that Brown hasn’t already promised us?
1. Free enterprise. TICK
2. Freedom of the individual. TICK
3. Sustainable, clean energy supply. TICK.
4. The importance of the family. TICK
5. The sovereign integrity of the nation state. TICK
6. The overriding value of NATO. TICK
7. Effectively controlled immigration. TICK
8. Efficient and modern public services. TICK
9. An end to waste and excessive bureaucracy. TICK
SO WHAT’S NEW???
Promises are one thing. Actually believing in them and delivering more than soundbites is a different matter altogether.
The difference is that if it’s promised by Brown you know it’s a lie. The Tories have enough Euroskeptics amongst them that you can actually believe they’ll do it.
I don’t believe them at all. What was Ken Clarke coming back all about? I thought he was supposed to oppo Mandy but seems like their on side. They’ve had twelve years to achieve what UKIP did in a few later months. I don’t trust them at all, no way.
….and is there ONE statement in that list that he has followed through and actually implemented? A big fat NO from where I’m looking…
Brown and the EU are parasitic ticks.
Brown has delivered…
1. State controlled enterprise (banks).
2. Slavery of the individual (50% households on benefits).
3. A lack of energy supply (Not building the power stations the country needs with real technology).
4. The destruction of the family (and the creation of benefit addicted state-as-father children).
5. The destruction of the nation state (Not allowed to favour British people in Britain).
6. The chronic underfunding of Britain’s armed forces.
7. Mass Immigration of benefit seekers.
8. Inefficient producer-captured public “services”.
9. Massive waste and excessive bureaucracy.
re. 2 The correct term is “pauperisation”. Brown the wannabe History teacher should know all about that.
Do you think you have had too much coffee today?
Isn’t it time for your medicine?
The Penguin
Brown delivers the complete inverse of every promise he makes.
Perhaps there is a rule of thumb here: Whatever Brown promises, expect exactly the opposite to happen.
1) Brown says “we left no stone unturned on Iraq hostages”
: They’re all dead.
2) Brown says “We will open up Government and the Iraq Enquiry”
: I’ll pop down to B&Q and get some more brushes then
3) Brown says “Labour can win next election”
: YESSSS!
Brown dreams up a policy announces it and throws it in the bin. No one ever checks it out. A few fantasy statistics and Hey Presto it was a success.
Bokros Lajos, the Hungarian MDF MEP is a former finance minister from Horn Gyula’s socialist government of the mid 1990s. His candidature has caused big problems for the Hungarian MDF as some of his fellow ministers in the Horn administration were former members of the AVO during the period of Communist tyranny in Hungary.
So what? – most of the NuLiebore Government were previously Commies and Marxists. Of course, they are all commited to liberal democracy now….
The Penguin
Wish me luck for tomorrow’s interview
I have been shortlisted for a job in the “Fees Office”
Must have been my impressive cv
Take your criminal record too. It’ll carry more weight.
It IS a weight! Make sure you follow the Manual Handling Regulations, the Provision and Use of Work Equipment Regulations, the Workplace (Health Safety and Welfare) Regulations, several hundred Council Directives and the Health and Safety Acts, implementing the European Directive 76858942678543275697.
We wouldn’t want you to strain your back.
Bending over can damage your health.
Charles, I really hope you get the job then you can honour your promise and fuck off from here for good! We will not miss your “on message” parrotspeak.
(NG: Yes we do!)
No mention of opposition to the single currency there then…
or closing down the anti-democratic cash machine for good.
Actually getting an accountant to sign off the books would be something of a start…
Don’t be daft. The EU doesn’t know what accountants are for.
Exacatly it’s been sewn up like a kipper we’ve been sold down the river. The Cons will get in and then that will be it the EU Lisbon treaty will have been signed months ago and we will all be in a dictatorship, GE’s won’t even matter anymore after that point.
It’s no wonder they don’t care about pressing Brown or making Labour mincemeat cause they know 100% they’ve got this in the bag now, too many sheeple bounce from Labour to Cons and never anyone else to ever scare them.
And the Iranians want to be free like us. Someone better tell them quick.
It doesn’t need to be said.
Given that Belgium, Finland and the Netherlands are already in the eurozone, opposition to the euro would be an odd position for the group to take.
Currency is a total sideshow anyway.
OT
Two Crocodiles were sitting at the side of the river Thames
The smaller one turned to the bigger one and said, ‘I can’t understand how
you can be so much bigger than me. We’re the same age, we were the same size
as kids. I just don’t get it.’
‘Well,’ said the big Croc, ‘what have you been eating?’
‘Politicians, same as you,’ replied the small Croc.
‘Hmm. Well, where do you catch them?’
‘Down the other side of the river near the parking lot by the Houses of Parliament .’
‘Same here. Hmm.. How do you catch them?’
‘Well, I crawl up under one of their Jaguar cars and wait for one to unlock
the car door. Then I jump out, grab them by the leg, shake the shit out of
them and eat ‘em!’
‘Ah!’ says the big Crocodile, ‘I think I see your problem. You’re not
getting any real nourishment.
See, by the time you finish shaking the shit
out of a Politician, there’s nothing left but an arsehole and a briefcase.’
Hey,thats very funny.
Especially funny the third or fourth time of posting.
The Penguin
:-)
lol
ukipwebmaster says:
June 22, 2009 at 11:16 am
A group for headbangers then?
Poor,irrelevant idiot.AND stop using other people’s names to trick people into viewing ‘your’ Youtube videos you Hoon.
Blair’s acceptance speech begins at 02.15. Watch it and weep.
£7 grand to fix your roof before leaving office Tony?
Never was so much owed by so few to so many.
pah!
You criticise Gordon for NOT fixing the roof when the sun was shining and now criticise Tony FOR fixing the roof when the sun was shining.
Arguments like this explain why the electorate will not be voting Conservative in the next election.
Gordo fixed the kitchen and then got out of it. The heat is yet to come however.
Doesn’t Guido have a rule about video nasties on here?
And to think that one clear rifle shot at that moment could have prevented so much trouble…
One tactical nuke could have erased the labour cancer.
Where are those Indian doctors with jeeps when you need them?
A man can change the world with a bullet in the right place
Obviously not. They don’t come any nastier than that Piers Morgan soft porn ad.
Oh crumbs I was trying to forget that…
I really shouldn’t log on here at lunchtime.
“I govern for all people”, Bliar lived up to his words, i.e. the ones which he was not prepared to tell the people.
All the people within an eighteen inch radius more like, the lying fucking hoon.
Blair looks about 50 years older now. Cherie Blair still looks about 60.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1194630/WILLIAM-HAGUE-Why-ex-PM-MUST-Iraq-War-evidence-public.html
Playing to the DM crowd, or the beginning of a political campaign?
Can’t we just nail Bliar to a tree and have done with it?
[...] The Conservatives’ new best friends The Conservatives appear to have completed the switch from the EPP-ED faction within the European Parliament, and created a new bloc called the European Conservatives and Reformists Group, with a total of 55 MEPs from 8 member states (26 of them the Conservative MEPs elected in the UK earlier on this month). Much has been made of the extreme (and frankly naive) anti-gay views held by the Polish Law and Justice (Prawo i Sprawiedliwość, PiS) party, but the joint manifesto issued by the new faction bears few traces of such orientation-discrimination (H/T Guido): [...]
The Cons aren’t gonna pull out of the EU you have to be thick to believe they would, They’re suddenly gonna change every fibre of their DNA and pull out of free trade and big business and access to money than you can ever dream off.
YEAH RIGHTO.
UKIP or the unmentionables or any new party that forms with the sole purpose of pulling out are the only shot we have got.
+ Dissolve Parliament Now +
+ Referendum Now +
+ Real Reform Now +
+ Out of Europe NOW +
Tony Benn is endorsing Bercow!!!
He was also a strong McGorbals fan.
My view is Benn is trying to undermine parliament by supporting dud speakers.
and suddenly as if by magic the shopkeeper appeared.
Puppet master Benn, still pulling knobs of lefties who can’t think for themselves.
That narrers it down.
Women do not have knobs which is why they are used as window dressing by Prime Ministers and The Observer.
Tony Benn, He still crawles out of the woodwork, another socialist (communist). Renounced his title so he could be “one of the boys”. What a total prat! Loves his voice, and his self. Can’t stand the man, hipocricy is his name and hobby, along with a very affluent lifestyle.
These sort of Champagne socialists make me want to fucking puke!!
Now if he’d renounced his wealth and his wife’s millions instead of some fucking title that may have been impressive. He can burn in hell for fucking over the British Aerospace and Defence industries to suck Septic cock. TSR2 anyone?
The Penguin
I’d prefer a stiff G&T actually.
These Cu nts are STILL PRO EUROPE
Europe can bugger off. Right now let’s bring on some good old fashioned border patrols, common sense and patriotism.
I have booked you into a Common Purpose meeting tomorrow.
Our meetings may include flashing lights though. Are you ever suffered from epilepsy?
A bag of promises is worth exactly the resale price of the bag whether you claim to fill it with low taxation, small govt, blah blah lies blah or strawberry flavoured kisses.
Politicians are the problem. We need is to get rid of them altogether at least then we only have ourselves to blame when it goes wrong? To think we can’t do without MPs in an age when not that much investment could give us a good real democracy where citizens vote on policy not politicians is playing into the status quo.
Breaking News: The Ballot Paper for Speaker is released:
http://www.tomharris.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/Ballot-paper.pdf
Seems a reasonable set of principles for a conservative Euro-sceptic party. Clearly they aren’t going to pull out, but they have never claimed they were going to, so nowt wrong with that.
What did you say they’re calling themselves, ‘European Oddfellows Friendly Society’?
Bedfellows I think.
european pocket fillers association
If Horse’s Arse Becket gets the job we are well and truly screwed.
Sod all we can do about it though, it’s down to a secret ballot of MPs. Arguably better than the previous method of selection. All we can do is note the result and add it to the pile of things to consider at the next election.
Observers from Iran will in attendance no doubt.
Wonder if postal votes are allowed?
Nothing will change whoever gets the job, mps think they’re getting away with the expenses debacle already
dont insult horses’ backsides
Lewis Hamilton races Heikki Kovalainen – for last place!
OT…..Zimbabwe wins the British National Lottery getting millions in aid, I’m sure Mugabe and his goons wont feel obliged to take their cut.
Now Brown’s given them our money they might let the BBC in. Shouldn’t it be the other way around?
Conservative pirnciples in a nutshell:
1. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
2. Everybody should be allowed to do what they like as long it does no serious harm to others.
3. Sheep are stupid and need to be driven, but people are clever and need to be led.
4. Governments should never do anything for anybody that they could do for themselves.
5. People are basically good but cannot be perfected.
That’ll do for me.
To those that hath shall be given.
new group has 55 MEPs total so still not enough to bust socialist ruiners bit for world domination , quite like some of the policies though .
RED alert Alan Johnson going to tackle antisocial behaviour , Ed balls going to ban BNP members from teaching .
so communist party snitch on every street (called a community crime team member) and stasi turn on teachers to , to make sure they teach socialism more and more .
Nu LAbour =Nu Orwellian state
Ban on anti social behaviour should start with Brown & Co. ASBO’s for the lot of them
The deputy mayor of London, Ian Clement, has been forced to quit over the misuse of a corporate credit card just days after his boss Boris Johnson publicly stood by him.
wot, while he used it?
Cripes!
The Penguin
Let’s not be beastly to the Bankers, eh Boris ?
Crumbs! and Lawks! indeed you hilarious bumbling fuckwit.
[...] has the details of their new grouping and their goals & [...]
I have just phoned to congratulate family of the young British tennis star Ms Robson on her crushing victory at Wimbeldon. It took some time to get the call through to Australia.
update:
I’m delighted that the overrated Austalian player Robson has been knocked out allowing our home-grown southern British players an excellent chance to make history by advancing to the third round.
50 Iranian regions cities had more votes than voters.
The admission by Guardian Council spokesman Gordon McAyatollah was designed to undermine the claims of the defeated candidates that the vote was rigged.
The opposition have claimed that the vote exceeded eligible voters in as many as 170 regions.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6553843.ece
Didn’t that happen in Birmingham? You just can’t trust anybody.
Leicester in the Euro Elections with Keith Vaz proudly proclaiming Labour would win their seats before it was even counted.
Nothing wrong with that, it shows their commitment to the democratic process. Such a model would work well here.
Postal Votes anyone?
Financial misconduct = Conservatives
Tosser !!!
Financial misconduct = Conservatives
.
Financial misconduct = politicians + bankers.
Dear Ian,
Thank you for your letter of resignation, which I accept with immediate effect.
As you know, I was extremely angry at the liberties you took with your corporate credit card; but last week I made
the essential distinction between behaviour that is crass and anything that amounts to dishonesty or deception.
In the light of the further discrepancies in your expenses that have emerged this morning, it is clear to both of us that
your position is untenable.
Thank you for all your hard work in the year you have spent here. You played a major part in helping to extend the
Freedom Pass for 24 hours across London, and in pioneering Open London, and in launching the City Charter.
Best wishes,
Yours ever,
Boris Johnson
Mayor of London
I thought this was a joke when you first posted it. In fact it’s an accurate transcript.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6555314.ece
TELL IT LIKE IT IS BORIS!
BORIS FOR SPEAKER AND PM!
Boris for Emperor!
Isn’t it good to see an honest politician, someone who really doesn’t give a shit what anyone thinks of him, speaks his mind and gets on with doing the job we elected him to do – a few more like him wouldn’t go amiss in the Commons at the moment!
That’s the sort of language we are after Mr Mayor. It’s called a public dressing down, or a bollocking in more common parlance.
Next one in the stocks outside the Globe eh Boris? The American tourists would love it, a bit of Merry Olde England!
Dear Boris,
Having considered my position over the weekend and in light of our conversation this morning I am formally
tendering my resignation as Deputy Mayor for Government and External Relations.
It has been a pleasure to work for you and I am sorry that I have let you down and deflected away from the excellent
work you and indeed your team are doing in delivering for Londoners.
Best Wishes
Ian Clement
Can someone explain why the Queen is letting this country and all other countries she is the figurehead be handed over??
Has she finally lost her marbles or something???
There’s talk of this North American Union thing with Canada and USA
Oz land being bought up by China
UK being sold into the EU
No doubt the other places in the commonwealth she is the figure of are being asset stripped and sold off to the highest bidders as well.
But who takes these muppets seriously???
the new party is a by-product of the increased power and confidence of the European Parliament and should be welcomed. as the only democratic branch of the european project, MEPs must speak their minds and fairly represent their constituents partly by forming groups and alliances.
however, i find it disappointing that this new party is anti-federalist, anti-immigration and emphasises “free enterprise… small government” as i do not feel that this is in british or european best interests. i am slightly alarmed that david cameron is being led by misinformed populists and rabble-rousters rather than the rational, centric elements of his party. why is he emeshing himself with these irrational euro-sceptic-extremists?
i very much hope that this another daft stunt by mr cameron and that he will come to his senses and allow the conservatives MEPs to reunite with the EPP where they belong.
[...] +++ New Group “European Conservatives and Reformists” +++ UPDATE : Group members include Belgium: Lijst Dedecker (LDD), with 1 MEP in the New Group Czech Republic: Civic [...] [...]
Can the EU have an accounting system which the auditors can pass as correct!