Comments on: Clegg Breaks Ranks on Nuclear Options

By: DominicJ

DominicJ — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:14:37 +0000

Seven Days to the River Rhine
Last major war planning done by the Soviet Union
Released by the Poles.

The Soviets planned to nuke every NATO nation except France, the UK and the US (The nuclear powers).
The Soviets expected NATO to nuke every Warsaw Pact state except Russia, (the nuclear power)

Complain all you like, but Italy would have been a nuclear wasteland and the UK would not

By: Colin Bell

Colin Bell — Thu, 18 Jun 2009 04:39:06 +0000

The UK “independent” nuclear weapons system is an illusion, insofar as it is as independent as the US will allow, being totally tied to the US military GPS system for the accuracy of its MIRV’d warheads. The French, who maintain both silo and submarine launched nukes are probably in a near identical position.

Without the US military GPS the accuracy of these systems become so degraded they are not much more than an area bombardment weapon and the US can elect to turn off the military bands of their GPS satellites to non-US users at will. One cannot immagine the US allowing any military power to enage in a nuclear exchange without their specific fore-knowledge and permission.

Part of the push within the corrodors of power within EU politico/defense circles for the establishment of the “Galileo” satellite system (last estimated cost U$D 3 billion and rising) is that it will give EU countries access to a military grade GPS, fully independent of the US.
This will then permit them to develop, deploy and use anything from existing silo and submarine launched ballistic nuke missiles, un-manned remote controlled (Reaper/Predator type drones, to a new generation of precision guided weapons, semi-autonomous drones and enhanced battelfield 3CI. All the B#S about the civilan benefits are largely a smokescreen to cover the military applications.

By: Grumpy Old Man

Grumpy Old Man — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:02:39 +0000

“Treason” was originally a sort of medieval Prevention of Terrorism act – though history is silent as to whether it was ever used to steal another countries’ money. The first man to be hung, drawn and quartered was, in fact, a Scot – that Braveheart fellow. No doubt you all have a list of Hibernians who could be used to carry out a reconstruction of that event.

By: Peter

Peter — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:45:04 +0000

“Our nuclear deterrent is the USA. They wouldn’t let us fire missiles without their permission (or passwords) anyway.”

Actually, we have complete control of the system. The idea that the yanks have the ability to stop us from launching anything is an old anti nuke argument that would have died a natural death a long time ago if people could read the masses of readily available literature available about Trident.

By: Peter

Peter — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 22:40:21 +0000

Our deterrent is completely independent operationally. If we decide we want to remove Washington DC from the planet, we have the technical ability to do it, and short of sinking our missile subs before they get within the 4500 mile missile range of Trident the yanks can’t do a thing about it.

They don’t have any control of the weapons whatsoever, no key for the missile or warhead, nothing. The control that is spoken of is the fact that we buy replacement parts from the US (like the proposed lifetime extension to trident) and that we “wouldn’t” do it without permission from America. Wouldn’t, however does not mean “couldn’t”.

By: going down the pan

going down the pan — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:24:30 +0000

HERE HERE !

By: going down the pan

going down the pan — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:23:32 +0000

who’s class were you in then ?

By: going down the pan

going down the pan — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:17:43 +0000

How about ! americans showoff £100,000,000,000,000 missile system to be sold to british !

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:31:57 +0000

Genius! the Russians have reduced their stockpile to enough to blow up the world just 4 times over instead of 10, as a result we should do away with our stockpile altogether?

I mean its not as if China Pakistan, Iran, N Korea, Isreal and India have nuclear weapons and the possible intent to use them….

The only European power to ever have and then decomission nuclear weapons is Ukraine and the Russians still treat them with respect, its not as if they regularily blackmail the country and try to assasinate its leaders since the got rid of wait….

By: going down the pan

going down the pan — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 18:31:11 +0000

what you people seem to be missing is for any country to even think of a WMD strike. you would have already been engaged in a conventional war, which when the tide starts to turn againt you only as a last resort would you use them !