May 29th, 2009

Populus Put Labour Behind UKIP

Populus

According to a Populus poll for The Times,  the Tories are on 30%, UKIP have surged to 19%, Labour fell to 16%, the Liberal Democrats are on 12%.  The Greens are on 10% and the BNP trail with 5%.  The BNP will be lucky to get a seat…


484 Comments

  1. 1
    Harri says:

    16 perecent ? thats still a lot of fucking idiots.

    • 8
      Stronghold Barricades says:

      Depends upon the “factors” which massage the raw data, generally. The pollsters don’t tend to tell you that kind of stuff

      • 175
        Fred Goodwin's undersea Goose Mansion says:

        Mention European Elections and the public tends to switch off.
        Mention piggies with their snouts in the trough and the public is angry.

        Turnout will be crucial.

        How many voters will sit on their hands and give a rather large “fuck you” to politics and politicians rather than vote ?

        We simply don’t know yet.

        Because 16% or even 30% of a very low turnout is less than impressive.

        • 187
          Karl Marx says:

          You are quite right Yellow Submarine

          As Confucius used to say “Wait and see”…

        • 305

          Isn’t voting UKIP a FUCK YOU to both Labour AND Dave’s Party?

        • 307
          Fred Goodwin's undersea Goose Mansion says:

          Some will see it like that yes.
          Some might even see the LibDems as a massive FUCK YOU too Lab & Con.

          But some know that LibDem & UKIP also trough greedily.

          And some will definitely not make fine distinctions between mainstream and fringe Parties as they will only see greedy Politician after greedy Politician on the News and in the Headlines day after day after day scamming the Taxpayer greedily.

          Public disillusionment with Politics was already at dangerous levels.
          The results were plain to see in reduced turnout year upon year.

          Will the Expenses Apocalypse glavanise the public to tactical voting or just convince most of the public that it’s all a pointless waste of time and they are all the same and in it for the cash ?

          We shall indeed have to “wait and see”…

        • 320
          Churchill's Cattleprod says:

          “Isn’t voting UKIP a FUCK YOU to both Labour AND Dave’s Party?”

          Yes, but sadly in a way more reminiscent of voting for the National Socialist Workers Party as a way of expressing your disgust at the way the Weimar Republic has handled the economy. I find the notion of voting for UKIP, even as a protest, highly disdainful given their atrocious agenda post EU pullout.

          A vote for any party in the European Elections would be totally meaningless. The European Parliament does nothing worthwhile whatsoever except produce a much larger trough for these despicable men and women to gorge themselves at our expense. Far better to treat these venal scum with the contempt that they deserve and not return any candidate to Europe at all. Lets see how UKIP, Libertas and all the other little porkies actually have to go out an earn a real living instead.

        • 369
          Stephen Pir says:

          Hey Churchill’s Cattleprod, you seem to be missing the point in calling UKIP porkies, don’t you.
          UKIP. The EU is a hugh trough and UKIP trough greedily – they say to get all the fighting funds they can to bring all the other piggies down. It doesn’t have to be UKIP you vote for once we are out of the EU so who gives a fuck what there policy is post EU.

        • 373
          Sir Robin Knest-Magpie says:

          I agree with Stephen Pir. UKIP is the unlocked rear bedroom window we discover when we have lost the keys to our front door. I don’t care what their policies are post democracy and law returned to UK. Stuart Wheeler, a large fund raiser for Conservatives, is thinking this too. Maybe even Tebbit? By all means have the labour, Cons or Libdems back but only after the UK people have made the ground rules solid. Trade and knees up with europeans, yes. Ruled by them, NO.

    • 15
      Anonymous says:

      Their Clients

      1) Anyone obtaining money from the Labour Party via taxpyers’ money (including the thousands of consultants)
      2) Public sector non-jobbies
      3) Recent immigrants, esp. those in receipt of £1+ million houses provided by local authorities paying the £12,000 per month rent
      4) Quango bosses and worker bees
      5) The feckless
      6) The utterly feckless
      7) VAT carousal fraudsters

      • 38
        Anonymous says:

        Spot on anonymous. However I bet more than 16% of voters are labour clients given that they bloated the public sector like crazy. Twats.

      • 55
        Anonymous says:

        awesome post

      • 141
        Aethelred says:

        7) VAT carousal fraudsters

        I think those scum are not likely to be socialists.

        • 210
          Mr Ned says:

          No, but since when have labour been truly socialist? The current model of Government is to outsource as much of the Governance of the country as possible to the unelected, unaccountable private sector quangocracy.

          Even the sacrosanct powers of the Speaker are to be removed from the Sovereign power of Parliament and given to the third sector. The ONLY thing they do which appears to be socialist is to burden business with masses of unnecessarily damaging red-tape and politically correct poison.

          Look at their spending priorities. Billions for Bankers, tens of millions for themselves, and bugger all for the ordinary working classes and nothing but pain for the middle classes.

          The overwhelming philosophy of this labour government is to control the populous, rather than represent them. To order and boss them, to treat them as potential terrorists and to be treat with suspicion and to achieve their goals by using the corporate third sector. This is a lot closer to genuine fascism, than to Socialism.

          And they warn us that the BNP represents fascism. The BNP is national socialism, NOT fascism. The real Fascists have been in Downing Street for 12 bloody awful years!

          Personally I am torn between voting UKIP and voting Jury Team. I would LOVE to give the mainstream parties a bloody nose by helping UKIP into second place (I would prefer them to be first), BUT my own personal philosophy is much closer to Jury Team, than any other candidates. Of the “parties” UKIP are closer to my beliefs than any other.

          Tories, Labour and Liberals are ALL pro EU. They ALL give in to the EU and they are all dedicated to breaking up the UK over the next decades, stripping this Island of OUR collective sovereignty and giving this broken and massively divided Isle over to be run completely by an unelected oligarchy by the name of the EU.

          Given the choice of Withdrawing from the EU, Staying where we are at the current level of integration in the EU and moving to being fully and totally consumed by the EU, current polls show the public to be almost equally split between all three views. However, the ONE view that is not currently an option is the status quo. To stay where we are. We are facing a concerted effort by the EU to integrate completely. This is in the face of democratic opposition in the form of three consecutive referendum defeats, and they STILL are determined to integrate us all into a single federal country against the wishes of the majority of the people. SO as Lisbon becomes unlawfully, illegitimately and treasonously forced through, we will be faced with only a choice of all the way in, versus all the way out. A looser coalition or union of trading nations will NOT be an option, post Lisbon.

          This sovereign Isle will broken into separate regions of an un-democratic, illegitimate conquering nation called the EU. It will be the END of 1000 years of democracy. The MOTHER of Parliaments will be finished. ALL statutes will come from Brussels.

          The Liberals and Labour are openly in favour of killing our sovereign birthright in this way. The Tories are dishonest in their opposition, as they know that they cannot make the EU’s inexorable march to nationhood and dictatorship stop. They cannot keep us where we are. The ONLY option available now is all the way in, or all the way out.

          This is the reason that I support UKIP in the EU “powerless talkingshop” elections.

        • 429
          Anonymous says:

          Maybe not – but they will know to keep voting for the government that perpetuates a tax system that allows hundreds of millions to be drained out, due to incompetence, lack of any reasonable checks and contraints, complete inablility to spot crime, and a lack of will to even care.

          Similarly for those busily defrauding the tax credits system, withe their 42 children and 60 different identities.

        • 445
          Lofa on the sofa says:

          whats the difference between a VAT carousel fraudster and an MP avoiding CGT by flipping?

      • 147
        Statistically speaking says:

        Scottish persons = 10% of the population
        Dead persons postal votes = 3% of the population
        Labour MP’s, councillors, party diehards = 3% of population

        Mystery solved

        • 171
          Samee says:

          Have to agree with anonymous – 4th place will be a good result for ZanuLab in Scotland.

        • 370
          Ghost Righter says:

          I wouldn’t bank on it.
          Anyone remember this?

          Or here…

          If embedding doesn’t work.

          Priceless.

        • 419
          Prof. Algy Algorithm says:

          I have looked at your analysis very carefully, and agree with the calculation

      • 442
        Pissed off Civil Servant says:

        All my public sector colleagues, and most particularly those of us who have worked under both Tory and Labour administrations, want to see the back of Labour. We are sick of the bullying, jargon, draconian punishments for daring to go ‘off-message’, the erosion of our terms and conditions, their refusal to engage with our unions in any meaningful way (as they don’t contribute to the party coffers), the top heavy management, the dumbing down, the lack of professionalism and the strange notion that only private sector companies have to apply health and safety laws not just put up posters about it or use it as an excuse not to do something. Most of all, we want our impartiality back.

      • 443
        Jan says:

        Talking of the utterly feckless,it appears that all those sainted ’single mothers’,you know the ones who only ‘did it’ once and are SO NOT GOING TO END UP ON BENEFITS are entitled to £175 per week childcare.Yep,it seems that if you are under 20,in London, an EU or British citizen and want to continue your studies and you are say,12, you can claim the £175 of taxpayers money to study.That is besides the money you get for having said baby and your £30 a week alowance for even turning up at school.The Evening Standard had an article about these young wimmin who said that they wanted to be ‘role models’.Haha these are the girls who end up on council estates and welfare whose children go around murdering each other.

    • 20
      dirtyden says:

      True, but not enough idiots.

      I’d bet that after his humiliation in these elections, a catastrophe for Labour, he’ll be allowed to bow gracefully or get the chop.

      Either way, the fcuker’s fcuked and thank fcuk for that.

    • 26

      Ukip are a corrupt bunch in the EU parliament expenses – fact

      • 40
        Bob says:

        Like the rest of the parties !

        So what ?

      • 110
        Arfur says:

        Hello cut and paste BNP troll – Still trying to push your narrative?
        It’s simply not true:

      • 143
        Aethelred says:

        “Ukip are a corrupt bunch in the EU parliament expenses – fact”

        UKIP acted immediately to dump the two (?) MEPs involved.

        • 368

          I’m less bothered about UKIP corruption because, having looked up their published addresses, at least some of them are close enough that I can go round with a flaming torch and a pitchfork if necessary.

          Also, having looked at their profiles, I don’t think they are likely to be corrupt except perhaps in the sherbet-dipping examples such as over-claiming on travel. They are generally too thick to organize a proper big scam, whereby they make themselves paid quangocrats and simultaneously organize a stream of publicly funded work via their jobs, using the same money to lobby again for them to be given more publicly funded work which doesn’t need doing in the first place.

          It’s a pity Robin Page didn’t manage to get his application form in on time, but that’s about the level we are dealing with. Slightly clottish people overly-impressed with free shampoo in hotel bathrooms.

          Saints preserve us, but that counts as quite a good candidate for public office in this bastard age.

        • 452
          Sir Robin Knest-Magpie says:

          Simon Heffer of The DT is voting UKIP. He’s a very nice man.

      • 215
        bmp sporter says:

        ukip r wite wiv a ashun bloke hoo dont like ashuns wot dont speke proper inlish

        nic says ukip is klever bmp

      • 288
        A Pensioner says:

        But not Liebour, so thats OK.

      • 319
        Sir Gobblebollock says:

        They make no secret of it, thats the differance.

        Its sticking two fingers up to the system and revealing how utterly wasteful, secret and downright corrupt the blasted EU is.

        Besides MEP’s from UKIP, Lab, Con or whereever all get the same expenses. So they cannot claim for unexistent loans, or fucking duck houses – Quite different.

        • 437
          THE 4% MYTH says:

          Farage has claimed at least £2 MILLION expenses as a MEP, with the rest of his Ukipigys it could total £10 MILLION. It’s obvious they aim to bankrupt the EU ” GREAT TACTICS “

    • 63
      Dishonourable Discharge says:

      is looming for the Labour Party from Hell

    • 94
      Javelin says:

      Sweet 16.

    • 96

      The public sector comprises 20% of the voting population. Well at least 4% of them have some sense.

      • 113
        NewGirl says:

        or are just too dumb to realise who is buttering their bread..

        • 146
          troobrit says:

          Are you using “dumb” in the slang American sense, or do you in fact mean mute?

          Perhaps you mean stupid, and if so, why not just fucking say so.

        • 151
          freddie flintoff says:

          freddie in da peadlo

        • 182
          NewGirl says:

          take it you in the public sector tosspot? tb

        • 231

          There’s a one in five chance.

        • 267
          troobrit says:

          Speak fucking English if you’re English.

        • 482

          I am Anglo Saxon.

          Literally Saxon in my case, with a bit of Celt thrown in.

          My native language is English, which evolved from early German (amongst other languages) which is one of the romantic languages, that is to say Latin based.

          Some examples; Vater = father,Mutter = mother, Katze = cat, Buch = book, Milch = milk, Wasser = water, Hand = hand, Finger = finger.

          Q.E.D, or quod erat demonstrandum, if you prefer.

          Go and learn the history of your country, and be proud of it.

        • 484
          troobrit says:

          “I am Anglo Saxon.”

          You’re a mongrel like every other Brit, don’t come your white supremecist bollox with me sonny.

          “Dumb” is yank bimbo speak no matter all that germanic bollox you’re on about.

          My advice is leave off the Tolkien.

      • 291
        A Pensioner says:

        4% can’t spell “X”. Also, a large element of illegals wanting to keep below the radar.

      • 371

        A lot of English has Germanic roots brought over by the Saxons, like dumm for example, meaning stupid.

        So Newgirl is indeed speaking English.

        • 433
          NewGirl says:

          thanks! troobrit ought to learn how to spell English before he criticises..

        • 480
          troobrit says:

          German isn’t fucking English. Anglo-Saxon “German” especially isn’t fucking English.

    • 214
      Welcome to Pravda blog of Guido! says:

      Guido says, Let me write smear article and censor replies – `tis like Soviet police state!

      Guido Libertarian he says, more like authoritarian hypocrite!

      • 226
        thick as thieves says:

        receipt, refund, exit, fuck off.
        thankyou.

        • 475
          TaT is a twat says:

          You seem to have run out of kiddie porn and now need to annoy people. In a totalitarian state (as labour wishes) you would have carte blanc. Fortunately the rest of us know you for the c u n t you are.

        • 476
          TaT is a twat says:

          good grief, you may have been right (rather than left) for once. Good; but you are still a bully (and a kiddie fiddler).

        • 481
          thick as thieves says:

          dear oh dear.
          having exposed david cameron as a millionaire housing benefit cheat I now have imbeciles from conservative HQ responding not by addressing the issue but by posting noxiously vulgar comments.
          your comments reflect very poorly indeed on the conservative party.
          you lot are just like tony blair and his mob.
          just fucking like them.
          david cameron is a thief.
          and you are a nonce.

      • 228
        NewGirl says:

        its his blog, and no one forcing you to read it!

      • 236
        bmp sporter says:

        ha ha geedo fashist piggie fine gael an blu shurts in killarney

        fashists always have bestest wimmins

        • 239
          bmp sporter says:

          dinleery ya fuckwit

        • 269
          bmp sporter says:

          i jus done a eror of jushmunt

          i klaimed fine gael were fashists but there not there jus:

          “having a well known Fascist inheritance in Irish history, their antecedents having supported both the Nazis and Franco quite openly and deliberately at the time”

          These are not to be confused with Irish Republicans who fought against both Fascist organisations, both within and without Ireland.

          My lawyer wrote all that stuff. And he wrote that bit too, and that.

        • 286
          Goat says:

          You really are an utter twat.

    • 257
      Just stick to the sleaze Guido says:

      It is now a widely excepted fact even amoung UKIPPER that B*P supoporters say they will support UKIP to the pollsters but in fact vote B*P in the actual election as this has been the case for the whole of the past year where the B*P have polled around 20-30% and UKIP 5%.

      This poll actuakky shows the increase in B*P support – not less.

      and Guido claims this is the top political blog with it’s finger on the pulse!

      LOL

    • 261

      The LibDims look so good in fourth place, truely made my day.

      • 285
        bmp sporter says:

        “truly”

        wtf hapened r educashun sistem

        how can these peeps no how to vot never mind hoo to vot for

        • 392

          Well spotted. That would be the Shirley Williams edukation interference in the 70’s showing up(and the malt whisky last night but we won’t dwell on that).

    • 324
      Compare and contrast with the Cameroons says:

      Of course it is and here’s one reason why.
      The idiots believe in their parteh, right or wrong.

      Fondlebums: “For the Labour Party as a whole, we have made it absolutely clear that where there are allegations or claims of wrongdoing, they must be properly examined. MPs must be given the chance to justify their actions, and decisions will be taken.”

      http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5406185/MPs-expenses-Elliot-Morley-to-stand-down-over-phantom-mortgage.html

    • 325
      Scallywag says:

      I guess you just have to remember that rather like ‘the poor always being with us’, there is a section of the population that has “Vote Labour” stamped on their birth certificates and that they will always be with us too.

      Fortunately most of them have a problem writing an ‘X’, so it’ may not be too much of a problem…

    • 372
      Prince Wayne of Trombone says:

      where do we post about the FA Cup?

    • 382
      Postal Vote says:

      Labour will do much better in general elections because voters know that the european parliament will not increase (or lower) means-tested benefits.

    • 423
      Hedgefunder says:

      *
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      *
      60% AT THE LAST GENERAL ELECTION IN SEDGEFIELD DID KNOT VOTE

      16% OF 40% REMAINING = ABAOUWT
      7% OF THE REGGIESTIRRED ELECTOR8

      *
      AND ZERO PERCENT OF THE ILLITERATI

      THIS AMOUNTS TO ABAOUT
      5% OF THE POPULATION

      5% OF THE POPULATION = 16% OF THE REGGIESTIRRED ELECTOR8

      THEY MAY JUST AS WELL KNOT VOTE

      THEY HAVE BEEN BETRAYED ANYWAY

      *

      THERE IS SOCIAL SECURITY IN THE ASCENDANTSEA

  2. 2
    MI5 says:

    I think the Lib Dems could overtake Labour a

    • 137
      David says:

      Process the figures of the Populus poll for the General Election, 41, 21, 15 through Electoral Calculus and you end up with a Tory landslide and Nick Clegg losing his Sheffield Hallam Seat.

      • 289
        One party state says:

        That would be great to see EU stooge and traitor to britain Smegg get the boot.

        No doubt the scumbag would slope off to Europe and stick his nose back in the trough along with the rest of the pigs.

    • 222
      Mr Ned says:

      Not in the EUro elections they won’t. Those treasonous Liberals have pissed off millions of patriots who care for our country. Liberals only care for THEIR country.

      Those are two different countries. OURS is the UK, THEIRS is the EU!

  3. 3

    It’s amazing anyone still wants to vote for Labour.

    • 24
      Harri says:

      As i said, 16 percent… thats still a fucking lot of idiots.

    • 27
      The Punter In The Public Gallery says:

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      IT IS EVEN MORE AMAZING THAT ANYONE EVEN INTENDS TO VOTE AT ALL

      • 62
        Anonymous says:

        fuck yeah, I am going to have to stop spoiling the paper and I have to actually “vote” and be a big grown up person and vote conservative but in my heart the dude from jury team seems a good guy.

    • 54
      Fausty says:

      I suspect that Labour drones have been instructed to frequent pollster sites and vote according to Gord.

    • 91
      Technomist says:

      I have met no-one who admits they will be voting Labour in the last couple of weeks, even though I live in a ’safe’ labour constituency with a high spending labour-led council.

      • 148
        grobdj says:

        I’ve met no-one who admits voting labour last time AT ALL

        • 294
          Stalin Brown and the EUSSR says:

          What’s a few postal votes between communists regimes?

        • 300
          Atlas shrugged says:

          Quite so

          Neither have I.

          Have you also noticed that children will instinctively never take responsibility for their actions either. However obvious it is to the grown-ups that it is clearly the fault of the child.

          It may be tempting to believe that socialism only exists because the country is full of brain deads and other benefits scammers. However our common sense and experience should tell us completely otherwise. Most if not all socialists, that more then half understand what socialism actually is. Are almost to a man or women, university graduates.

          Socialism is an intellectual concept, conceived, formulated, sponsored, financed, and promoted by primarily the BRITISH ESTABLISHMENT.

          Socialism is all about state control, not workers control. WORKERS CONTROL of the means of production in a conservative principle, ( not of course a Conservative principle in practice ). Represented by small private/family ownership of small private business.

          The only way in practice a particular means of production can be controlled by its workers, is for them to own a majority of the company shares, and for them to vote at share holders meetings.

          This can not be achieved by the state owning anything, especially when the STATE is OWNED by very very enormously large multi-national conglomerates. This is what we have now.

          This form of government is more commonly known as Corporatism or much more commonly known as FASCISM. The sort of Corporate socialist fascism the likes of establishment stooges such as Hitler, Ford, Soros, Pol-Pot and Tony Ben are on record as loving so very much. Which is NEVER conservative, ALWAYS perfectly murderously evil in the medium or long term, and inherently SOCIALIST.

          It works like this.

          REAL money, that is not that stupid paper made shit, we would be better off wiping our bums with, is goods and services and the resources these things require.

          Therefore it is the control of these things that really matter, not the silly bits of completely worthless paper used to control them. Other then the rather obvious fact that those that print and control the money, now basically control,or personally own around 90% of the total resources and productive capacity of the ENTIRE PLANET. Doing so by a combination of either controlling the stock market, and therefore all other markets , or the money supply of any particular indebted government. Which is to my knowledge, all governments, because in one way or another they all owe unpaybackable countless billions to the same small set of PRIVATE bankers.

          This situation has come about using a long and well thought out act of criminal conspiracy. Which correctly calculated that when ones desire was to fundamentally control the entire planet certain things must very surly never be allowed to become common knowledge. Or certainly not common knowledge before a time when it was far to late to do anything about it, like TODAY for example. Some of these are the following.

          1. The identity of the people REALLY pulling the strings.

          2. The fact that these people are really COMMUNISTS and the inventors, sponsors, and promoters of all forms of COMMUNISM and SOCIALISM.

          3. That virtually everything that people have ever been told, is either a lie, or is based on a lie.

          4. That lending vast sums to either Blue or Red establishment controlled socialist governments, that can never be paid back, was an even more profitable, easier, much quicker and generally more enjoyable way of achieving ones evil ends, then lending same to private individuals or small to medium sized independent private corporations.

        • 318
          Anonymous says:

          Also everyone I ask denies voting Labour in 1997 & 2001.Very confusing

          It’s all getting a bit likeGermany in May 1945 !

        • 384
          Allan@Aberdeen says:

          Same here. I don’t know anyone – relative, friend, colleague – who admits to having voted Labour. I have asked the question on some debate blogs where Labour has support and not even under the shield of internet anonymity did anybody ‘fess up’. Maybe they realise that they have something bad to answer for.

      • 158
        Aethelred says:

        Even families who have voted Labour for generations are dumping them this time.

        Labour no longer stand for anyone apart from the occasional multi-millionaire.

        They have abandoned the poor, they have abandoned British workers whether what used to be called working-class or what used to be called middle-class. Labour have made themselves irrelevant. The rich can always take care of themselves, unless a Pol Pot figure arises, and that would never happen in England.

        • 338
          Nearly Headless Nick says:

          Atlas – have you been reading “The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion”?

        • 461
          Righto Wingo says:

          Pol Pot he had the right ideas even though he was a lefty twat, His year zero plan was perfect and did work better than expected,

          Kill all the scroungers and benefits takers and criminals and your left with a lean population figure filled with hardworkers and no other country will want to fuck with you.

          It could very well happen in the UK in the future if no one sorts out all the scrounging scum labour have let breed out of control and into the country for the past 12 years.

          Workers and taxpayers can only take so much before they snap.

  4. 4
    • 28
      Harri says:

      I have to agree if we are talking about the likes of the Sun, the only thing which resembles the truth in the Sun … is the date!

      • 32
        COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION says:

        and Trevor Kavanah

      • 36
        Anonymous says:

        I told my wife.

        I was only reading the Sun to check the date.

        And to check that it was the same on page 3 as page 1.

        • 44
          Boris says:

          LOL

          and she must have believed you…

          or is she difficult ?!

        • 72
          Harri says:

          Reminds me of an old joke… man asks wife to get him the Sun newspaper whilst she is out shopping, yes of course dear replied his wife…

          Man shouts after her Oh , and something to fucking read ?

    • 70
      Susie says:

      Or is economical with la verite… not a sausage on the BBC about the sensational Populus poll:

      http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/

      “Previously there had been something of a divide between the pollsters, with YouGov and ComRes showing Labour down near 20%, while Populus and ICM showed them up in the high 20s. The lastest Populus poll suggests a further slump in Labour support and brings the pollsters broadly in line, suggesting it is Labour who have most suffered from the expenses scandal. Asked directly who had suffered most from the expenses row 35% said Labour, with only 7% saying Conservative – though 50% said all parties had suffered equally. Asked which of the party leaders was most damaged the contrast was even starker – 62% said Brown, only 5% Cameron, and only 25% said the leaders had suffered equally.”

      So you see BBC, La-la-la we’re not listening, we don’t trust you. Bye bye license fee, au revoir Labour. It’s over.

      • 428
        deeznuts says:

        funny, i just saw the BBC lead with it on the 1 oclock news…..im no BBC apologist, but to say they aint mentioning it is a bit silly !

      • 470
        Susie says:

        1 o’clock news today? That’s a full 17 hours after the poll was published.

    • 409
      Tommy MacPsychowarden says:

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      THE ENGLISH PREFER THE ORIGINAL

      IT REMINDS THEM OF HOME

  5. 5
    MI5 says:

    I think the Lib Dems could easily overtake Labour on the day…

    Let’s hope Labour comes fourth

    And disappear from British Public Life forever

  6. 6
    Prophesiah says:

    16% of people would vote Labour???

    Surely the amount of manufactured non-jobs created during the last 12 years amid the myriad of other quangos and associated trade unionists must be more than this percentage of the vote in terms of population.

    Surely even these people wouldn’t vote for Christmas if they where turkeys?

    This is the only way they could possibly get votes after all.

    16% ???

    Madame Guillotine is sharpening her blade with old Jimmy Browns head firmly on the block if this poll is accurate.

  7. 7
    Nick Griffin says:

    5%? Fuck off, gipsy scum.

  8. 10
    Dr Feelgood says:

    I’m so looking forward to the election results next week and the next GE (whenever we are permitted to have it).

    The evil doctrine of socialism has been a cancer in Britain for more than a hundred years and with luck we are seeing it die.

    It’s starting to feel like 1989 all over again.

  9. 11
    Bob says:

    If the Scots and Welsh Nats put in a good showing it could be even worse for Labour that these figures show…

    • 29
      COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION says:

      The Nats will win Martins Seat in Glasgow Springburn and that will be the death nel for Labour.

      • 64
        Anonymous says:

        By rights they should, but they probably won’t. Zanu is desperate. They fight really dirty.

        • 127
          Housing Hubba Bubba says:

          They’ll be too busy shredding documents between now and the GE to think about actually doing anything.

        • 313
          Stronghold Barricades says:

          Shredding documents?

          These people don’t even believe in keeping minutes of meetings

    • 340
      Aristotle says:

      Plaid Cymru entered government for the first time in a momentous Welsh assembly coalition with rivals Labour.

      So Welsh Nats are tarred with the NuLab brush

  10. 12
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  11. 14
    WobblyJim says:

    Is this poll adjusted for bent elections ? cardboard polling boxes and pre-filled postal ballots, of which I’ve been reading of lately. is that 19% already in the system and counted ?

    • 22
      dirtyden says:

      Or bent MPs?

      • 65
        Derek Draper says:

        Homophobe! Homophobe!

        Guido, I’m warning you. If you publish homophobic or racist comments on your blog I will complain to the service provider. Don’t make me get the police involved.

        And I will. You think I won’t? Well, I will. I’m in charge of the biggest website in the world – possibly the galaxy – and we piss all over you. You just a bunch of windowlickers.

        I’m immortal. I’m IMMORTAL. And you’re all maaaaaaaaaaad! Arghhhhhh, the paaaiiiiiiin…Turn it off. Please. I’ll be good. I promise I’ll be good…They hate me. They all ha….

        • 82
          Derek Draper's Nurse says:

          I do apologise, Mr Fawkes.

          He’s not allowed near computers any more but sometimes he picks the lock of the warden’s office and…well, it’s all very unfortunate. He always makes straight for your blog. He barricaded himself in the other day and started using one of his online personalities – Charles Hawridge is it? – and he wrote the most terrible things for hours and hours.

          When we finally broke down the door he was foaming at the mouth and screaming your name over and over and over again at the top of his voice – and almost animal, savage noise. It was awful. We had to shock him four times that night.

          He’s not getting any better you see, I’m afraid. A tragic case.

          All the best,
          Nurse Ratchett

        • 130
          justoneglass says:

          Well Nurse Ratchett, just make he gets a bloody good wash.

        • 421
          Inspector Foyle says:

          ratchet up the dose Nursey..

        • 465
          Righto Wingo says:

          I thought you where busy reconnecting your link to God, as printed in the Guardian Derek?? You and the roman catholic priests getting to know each others in’s and out’s and nooks and crannies??

    • 306
      Anonymous says:

      Interesting. The other half naively ticked the postal votes box on the electoral register form. Strangely (??? or not) the postal ballots never arrived. Instead we got standard polling cards a couple of days ago. Have obtained and checked the current electoral register and we are clearly marked as postal voters.

      Looking forward to the visit to the polling station now to be told we can’t vote as we are postal voters. Coincidence that we live in a ward which is being targeted by the greens who look to be ready to tear layber to bits (and relegate them into last place)?

      Any other postal voters getting the Zimbabwe treatment? Shudder to think of some non-job P.O.S. voting layber partey postal vote in my name.

      • 394

        It depends where you are – Luton is definitely dodgy – but sometimes it is down to genuine incompetence as the electoral services offices employ spare idiots and they aren’t supervised properly.

        I took an elderly voter to the polls when he had a card, having previously asked for a postal vote. The officers refused to issue a voting slip, as is quite correct. I took the voter straight back to the town hall and demanded a postal vote that he was entitled to.

        He had to sign a declaration that he had never received a postal vote and was allowed to cast one at the council offices. It was all very carefully done, with him being taken to a separate table so that everyone could see his vote was not being tampered with or influenced. I did have to yell because he had a right to vote – the council drone at first tried to say it wasn’t their fault, nothing they can do, yada yada. I asked them if that was their legal opinon as someone qualified to advise on electoral law and would they like to repeat that in court, and they scuttled back in to the office to get a grown-up and a postal voting form. There are procedures for re-issuing forms for the very good reason that some forms genuinely get lost in the post.

        Don’t wait until the day – there’s no point in arguing at the polling station; their hands are tied by law. Go to the electoral services office now. They will cave in quickly and if they don’t, threaten to call the police and have the place turned over to see if they are harvesting postal votes. It will also give you the best chance of preventing somebody fraudulently casting your vote. Photo copy the polling cards – don’t hand the originals over – they are evidence that the council fouled up by accident or deliberately.

        • 449
          Jan says:

          Never had that problem in Wandsworth…but then again it is a Conservative council.People working in the electoral office there incredibly helpful.All the fraud (and I think it will be huge)will take place in Nu-Liebour areas.

  12. 16
    WobblyJim says:

    oops meant to say 16% not 19%

  13. 21
    Daphné Tremble says:

    “The BNP will be lucky to get a seat…”

    No they bloody well won’t. They’ll get 2-3 seats. The BNP are exactly like how Sinn Fein in Northern Ireland were up until 2/3 years ago: people are too ashamed/embarassed to tell a pollster that they’re actually going to vote for them and then, all of a sudden, their vote share increases by 4-5%.

    The BNP received 4.9% nationally in 2004 – do these pollsters actually believe that their vote is going to stay the same given the discontent in the country at the moment given the economic crisis, the worsening uncontrolled mass immigration, the MP’s expenses debacle and the unprecedented campaign which the BNP are carrying out? Bull. Shit.

    I predict the BNP to receive 9-10%. Further, I believe that the BNP and UKIP combined will take 30% of the vote, or will be very, very close to doing so.

    • 184
      Guido's old hat blog says:

      Indeed Guido is trying to influence the electorate, thing is people come here for the sleaze busting, not Guido’s political bullshit which is 99% of the time in total contrast to his readers.

      Guido likes to bang on about the Book makers being a better guide than fake polls, well if he took a look at them he would realise that his censoring and propaganda days are numbered, beside which as soon as the Tories get in, Guido will be old hat, he is already fast becoming irrelevant, out in the widerness like Labourlist, when the uncensored and more fully rounded political discussion of the true Libertarian `bastard Old Holborn` is soon to take his crown!

      This site is already getting old.

    • 205
      Aethelred says:

      The BNP are even likely to get a degree of sympathy votes, after the members’s names were published on the ‘net, after the London bombings, after the limitless policy on immigration and their banning from any mainstream debate.

      It has to be faced: if you’re poor, white, male and English you come at the bottom of the pile and no-one fights for you. There are no adverts in the Guardian for poor-white-male outreach officers.

      If the mainstream parties are sincere in their condemnation of fascism, they need to provide an alternative, not mere criticism.

  14. 25
    COURT OF PUBLIC OPINION says:

    Elliot Morley says

    ” For those who condem me I would simply ask to be allowed to present my case”

    No probs mate thats what we have courts of law for.

    SEE YOU IN COURT !

  15. 30
    Francisco Gómez de Quevedo says:

    British people are far too moderate and sensible to vote en masse for the BNP. Nationalism is a concept that might go down well in these Isles, because we have lots of good things that we could celebrate about our heritage, history, traditions, and our country in general, but it’s the threat of racism, murder and beating up of those with coloured skin, for no good reason, that appalls most mild-mannered and fair English folk. We could benefit from a nationalist party yes, like the Scots have, but unfortunately, the BNP is not suitable.

    Some of their ideas are appealing and very likeable, but some aren’t. They have somehow sullied the idea of British nationalism by tingeing it with the threat of unnecessary bullying of those who are non-white. This is most unforunate. But anyway, due to the imminent break-up of the UK, which we will see within my lifetime, UKIP and the BNP are already a bit out of date.

    • 196

      Lets’s not confuse patriotism, nationalism and racism. What immediately switches me off about the Toytown Nazis is that only white people are allowed to join.

      I know Brits of every colour who are just as patriotic as any whitenose and, in any case, how the fuck will we ever win the World Cup again with only white footie players?

      They are rather coy about this little aspect of their manifesto but it is rather fundamental. For a kickoff they don’t believe in meritocracy.

      • 301
        Enuf says:

        Err the only time we won the world cup was with white players.

      • 408
        Anonymous says:

        Never mind football and the world cup. With the seismic changes in demographics that will occur in Britain and the rest of Western Europe within the next 30 to 40 years, just trying to maintain some semblance of national integrity will be a struggle in itself for a lot of countries.

    • 220
      Aethelred says:

      The media are part of the problem in that they refer to that party as right-wing, whereas they are fundamentally lefties with added racism and violence.

      When the media start calling them left-wing, their appeal will fall dramatically.

    • 274
      Dr Feelgood says:

      Racism is the raison d’etre of the B NP. You can trace the link all the way back to Mosley’s BUF – they have merely attempted to put a veneer of decency around a very rotten heart. Their ‘naughty past’ is how they used to describe it in their Language & Concepts Discipline Manual.

      Yes, they may do better in the actual elections because of people’s reluctance to declare their intentions to a pollster – but it’s interesting that online polls where there is greater anonymity don’t show greatly different results.

      Unfortunately, a lot of people who aren’t very politically aware, and nursing a lot of grievances after 12 years of labour misrule will vote for them. If they really understood the deeply un-British and extreme left-wing economics of the B NP they wouldn’t touch them with a bargepole.

      B NP have well-developed online activism, a few here already and no doubt will respond to this. For the record, B NP trolls I’m not interested and you can fuck off.

      • 411
        jgm2 says:

        I don’t care who disgruntled Labour voters vote for as long as it isn’t Labour.

        First things first. The prioroty has to be to eviscerate Labour. Consign them to history. Make the Liberal party second in the GE. Reduce the abomination of Brown and Blair to the irrelevance that has been the lot of the Liberals since the end of WW1. Who knows, when the last person to vote for a Labour government has died of old age then it may be time for them to assume power agin.

        But Labour need to destroyed. Utterly destroyed for their destruction of economy, morality and institutions.

        They are utter scum to a man (and woman). Every single Labour MP is complicit by their silence. They all deserve to be strung up but I will accept electoral humiliation, unemployment and self-administered death by alcohol since we seem to be very sqeamish about ‘doing the right thing’ in this country.

  16. 31
    Daphné Tremble says:

    “The B.N.P. will be lucky to get a seat…”

    No they won’t you ponce. They’ll get 2-3 seats. The B.N.P. are exactly like how Sinn Fein in Northern Ireland were up until 2/3 years ago: people are too ashamed/embarassed to tell a pollster that they’re actually going to vote for them and then, all of a sudden, their vote share increases by 4-5%.

    The B.N.P. received 4.9% nationally in 2004 – do these pollsters actually believe that their vote is going to stay the same given the discontent in the country at the moment given the economic crisis, the worsening uncontrolled mass immigration, the MP’s expenses debacle and the unprecedented campaign which the BNP are carrying out? Bull. Shit.

    I predict the B.N.P. to receive 9-10%. Further, I believe that the B.N.P. and UKIP combined will take 30% of the vote, or will be very, very close to doing so.

  17. 33
    Andrew McLie MEP says:

    UKIP if U-WANT TO

  18. 37
    Sir William Waad says:

    Lesson 1: HOW TO SET UP A FRINGE POLITICAL PARTY.

    Start with a very large, successful, influential mainstream party.

    Make some pyschologically damaged brute from Kirkcaldy leader of it.

    Add sleaze and wait……

    • 68
      Dishonourable Discharge says:

      Lesson 2. Rear some really big sows and fucking boars. Supply plenty of feeding troughs.

      Slop it in.

    • 97
      Javelin says:

      Where is Brooon haven’t seen him for days !!!

      • 144
        Benny says:

        Preparing the NATIONAL PLAN

        When he publishes it, Britain will sink under the Seas forever

      • 149

        Strapped on a bed somewhere in a padded room with a wedge of cork between his teeth.

        • 234
          Anonymous says:

          While you fuck him from behind?

        • 247

          As anonymous backbites go, this is seriously funny stuff. Really mate you need to consider a career as an “alternative” comedian. At least when half term’s over.

          I’m pissing myself laughing here.

        • 420
          Under a flowerpot at the bottom of the garden until the GE says:

          I spell cork with a C not an R when used in that context.

      • 451
        Jan says:

        They are all there in the bunker,him,Watson,The Daemon and Dolly.They are completing the postal voting forms.

  19. 39
    Anonymous says:

    BNP 8% in North might get them a seat, Guido

  20. 41

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  21. 42
    Awaiting Moderation says:

    Surely the bar chart proves, beyond a scintilla of doubt, that “only LibDems can win here”.

  22. 45
    Dr Feelgood says:

    Toenails on BBC 10PM News just now reporting this and Labour at 16%.

    I’d swear he looked pale and was quivering – clearly shocked and frightened.

    Looks like it’s really starting to sink in with him – the Project is doomed

    • 69
      Boris says:

      Some piano wire please for him..

    • 77
      MI5 says:

      What is incredible is the fact that a’h’s like Toenails ever believed in the “Project”

      The Project to pillage Britain and get away with it ?!

      Are all these people in the BBC on cocaine ?

      • 217
        Moley says:

        Yes.

      • 260
        Steve Expat says:

        Quite possibly. The six figure salaries they’re all on courtesy of us suggest that they may well have a few quid spare come Friday night..?

      • 407
        Anonymous says:

        I used to shag a bird who’d previously been doing a beeboid reporter. She said he always had an erection because he was always stoned.

  23. 46
    papasmurf says:

    Our Dave…………. in DT

    “In today’s interview, Mr Cameron said: “If people have broken the law in claiming expenses, like mortgage payments for mortgages that don’t exist, should they be subject to the full force of the law? Yes of course they should.

    “I’ve said it’s not for me to call in the police but the police know what the law is and if they feel it’s been broken they should be able to look at that without fear or favour.”

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5408929/MPs-expenses-Phantom-mortgage-MPs-must-face-fraud-charges-says-David-Cameron.html

    notice the wording……..” like mortgage payments for mortgages that don’t exist,”………. so any Phantom troughing is covered according to DT. So any monies taken without good reason not just the mortgages.

    Commissioner your task should you accept it is arrest the troughers…….. without fear or favour.

    • 56
      papasmurf says:

      Same article

      “And so I think people quite rightly want to see the police involved if there is real criminal fraud and real intent to defraud the taxpayer.”

      So all these CGT evaders should also be taken to court by HMRC…….it not only the Police that prosecute.

      How can a Crown Court judge NOT know the law? Humfrey Malins allows his children to live in a flat rent free whilst he claims expenses on it.

      • 75
        onan mcfly says:

        Great letter from Lord Millett in Wednesday’s Times, which deserves far greater publicity. see

        http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/letters/article6367393.ece

        • 233
          Stewie Griffin says:

          Millett ? I thought that was for budgies.

        • 343
          Man on the Clapham omnibus says:

          I sincerely hope that the Times on line posting was from the below Lord Millett!

          Darling’s tax return – The Chancellor of the Exchequer’s troubles with tax

          Peter Julian Millett, Baron Millett, PC, QC (born 23 June 1932) is a British former judge and barrister.

          Millett was called to the Bar at Middle Temple in 1955. In 1959, he came to Lincoln’s Inn, where he was appointed a Bencher in 1980. From 1958 to 1986 he practised at the Chancery Bar …………………………Wikipedia

      • 224
        Moley says:

        The only thing protecting the Cabinet from arrest is the fact that they are in Government.

        They will hang on for as long as possible to protect themselves from criminal proceedings.

        Be patient. MFI Cabinets always fall apart eventually.

        • 271
          Sawdust and Woodworm says:

          At last – now I know what MFI stands for – Mainly Fucking Idiots

    • 66
      MI5 says:

      I think Cameron has been reading Guido’s blog…

      He is trying to catch up…

      But always 10 days behind the Curve poor boy…

  24. 48
    dw198 says:

    My prediction (as a lifelong Tory) is that this poll is reasonably accurate for the major parties, but not for the BNP and UKIP figures. I predict that the BNP could well beat UKIP, and these figures reflect considerable voter embarrassment at admitting their support for the BNP to a pollster (so they pretend they support the other “outsider” party).

    • 265
      Steve Expat says:

      I was thinking along the same lines. No-one, when questioned by a pollster, is going to admit to supporting the unmentionables.

      They got 5% at the last Euro election, does anyone really think that they are only level with that in the current climate?

      Would be fucking hillarious to see Labour 4th or 5th though, looking forward to it already!!

      • 412
        jgm2 says:

        Which is why Labour’s vote will be higher than 16%. Folk are just embarrassed when asked and will admit to voting B*P before Labour.

    • 441
      THE 4% MYTH says:

      ” this is BULLSHIT ” The pollsters don’t mind admitting they will vote B&P, It’s the lying fucking media ( The Slimes) that have trouble printing the true figures.!!

  25. 51
    Spedo Shorts says:

    Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of the party and OBSTAIN.

  26. 52
    Tactical Voter fucking with pollsters says:

    the figures are bollocks

  27. 53
    Patrick English says:

    oh gosh, UKIP? are you serious? “yeah we think EU is a bad idea its awful, so we are standing for election to the EU Parliament”

    they are an absolute joke, their figures are a complete joke, they have no comprehension on the implications of cutting ourselves off from the continent where 40% of trade comes from. The money we save on not paying EU membership will be lost instantly on higher taxes on imports and exports to the EU countries!

    i cannot honestly believe that 16% of people asked said they were going to vote to assist the party that wants to see Britain close its doors on the international community when now it is our only hope!

    i would personally like to make it clear that i put UKIPs level of stupidity and downright idiocy on par with the BNP and their fascism. They are so backward they make George Bush look like a forward thinker, and in a time where our old way have proved to be utter failures, i cant believe they want to revert all change and go BACK to the way we were when we first started getting into this mess!!!!!

    I usually make it a point to respect all people’s views, but so far as this goes, i feel such a large proportion of UKIP in the EU parliament will be the doom of us all, this is something i wont stand for!!!

    grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!

    Lib Dems for the win!!!

    • 172
      Percy Sledge says:

      oh gosh, UKIP? are you serious? “yeah we think EU is a bad idea its awful, so we are standing for election to the EU Parliament”

      Exactly, they don’t agree with it, but they are happy to be in it, and take the money. A considerable sum plus expenses, I believe. Makes the sums fiddled by our British MPs look like petty cash. Farage and co must be laughing all the way to the bank. Offshore perhaps.

      • 189
        You know when you've been UKIPPED says:

        As all the MEPs get pretty much the same amount I guess Percy Sledge will say the same about every party’s present MEPs and future MEPs especially as they are all getting a 45 percent raise?

        • 212
          Percy Sledge says:

          No I wouldn’t actually. Many MEPs believe in the EU and want to take a full and active part in it. Unlike UKIP who only want to take the money.

      • 246
        Moley says:

        Condemning your political opponents as stupid is not a compelling argument.

        A UKIP vote will help push Labour into fourth place, re-emphasise the antidemocratic nature of the EU and re-inforce the pressure for a referendum on the LIsbon Treaty.

        • 402
          THE 4% MYTH says:

          Farage has troughed £2 million+ expenses during his stint as an MEP along with his other UKIPIGS. The last thing Farage wants is a referendum on Europe.

        • 462

          So have the other MEPs, but the difference was that for PRO-EUSSR MEPs it was thier person benefit.

      • 250
        Moley says:

        Condemning your political opponents as stupid is not a compelling argument.

        A UKIP vote will help push Labour into fourth place, re-emphasise the antidemocratic nature of the EU and re-enforce the pressure for a referendum on the LIsbon Treaty.

        Democracy consists of an amalgamation of different opinions, arrived at because we are all different people with different experiences, backgrounds and needs.
        Each opinion is valid and sensible and should not be belittled.

    • 190
      Jan van der Poop says:

      ‘they have no comprehension on the implications of cutting ourselves off from the continent where 40% of trade comes from’

      A good portion of that ‘trade’ we can produce in Britain ourselves if we so desired.

    • 202
      Augeas says:

      Drivel. The old days of massive import and export tariffs are long gone, and good riddance. The only reason the Lib Dems are doing so badly in the polls, when they have come out rather cleaner than the two main parties, is because they insist on being uncritical supporters of an undemocratic and unpopular EU. Had they taken a more robust line ( I don’t mean getting out) they would probably have overtaken Labour by now and have a real prospect of forming the official opposition after the GE.

    • 230
      PSJ says:

      “they are an absolute joke, their figures are a complete joke, they have no comprehension on the implications of cutting ourselves off from the continent where 40% of trade comes from. The money we save on not paying EU membership will be lost instantly on higher taxes on imports and exports to the EU countries!”

      Wow, do you actually believe this rubbish? Do you not understand how international trade actually works? It is governed by multilateral organisations, in particular, the WTO, which would prevent our trading partners in Europe from raising tariffs on our goods. Various countries, such as Norway and Switzerland, participate in the European Economic Area without being members of the EU.

      For the record, I’m not going to vote UKIP, as they are nutters, but not because withdrawal from the EU would be so terrible.

    • 310
      Cassandra King says:

      The libdems are just itching to give away the UK to the corrupt eurotrash EU, a vote for the libdems is a vote for EUSSR serfdom.

      The libdems would love to turn the UK into a minor region of the EUSSR so why would anyone vote for that?
      The libdems would grant a full amnesty to ALL illegal immigrants and welcome unlimited third world immigration, they would pass more anti British laws than newlabour and raise taxes to a level that would quickly kill off any remaining industry.

      A vote for the libdems is a wasted vote, they are more dangerous to Britain than newlabour, the libdems would sell the UK to the corrupt EU in a heartbeat.

  28. 57
    Karl Marx says:

    And Scottosh Labour can then put on a performance at the FRINGE of the Edinburgh Festival…

    About their level I think…!

  29. 57
    onan mcfly says:

    If that holds true, lets see how the Eurofanatics go hell for leather to force through ratification of Lisbon. But wouldn’t it be great to get another chance to vote No like I did in 1975 and this time with a rather better chance of winning.

  30. 67
    Ming The Merciless says:

    I would be very surprised if the fraudsters at UKIP-including Mr Farage and his 2 MILLION pound European troughing of the EU over the last 2 years makes him anywhere near electable.
    You can tell looking at his face the man is untrustworthy-so I wouldn’t begin talking up UKIP Guido.

    • 93
      Anonymous says:

      The English Democrats are the only party that offer an alternative. UKIP went native years ago and they only see themsleves as a pressure group for reforming the tories, much good that has done. Can anyone tell me what exactly the Conservatives actually intend to conserve anymore – apart from their thieving minded crookery?

      • 109
        NewGirl says:

        never heard of the English Democrats….should I have ?

        • 140
          Boris says:

          Should I of

          Please New Girl

          Get with the Curve…

        • 142
          Stephen says:

          Well the English Democrats are the only party that advocates an English parliament for England, you know, without all the Scottish Labour MP types diverting English taxpayers money to North Britain. (Barnett Formula, Council tax freeze only in Scotland, Top up fees….only in England, cancer drugs….if you’re Scottish , prescription fees…… for the English, bailouts……for Scottish Banks and wanton destruction of English banks [Lloyds TSB], dirty Glasgow smear politics in No 10)…….I could go on.

          Home Rule For England!

        • 170

          So yet another tier of government? Who pays for this? How many layers of spongers do we need before we are bled dry?

          Fuck off and come back when you’ve thought this out properly. Even the Toytown Na­zis ain’t this dumb.

        • 450
          Four-eyed English Genius says:

          Boris:

          Should I of

          Irony, I assume, otherwise, wrong!

      • 126

        All the Conservatives need to is sit their arses on the seats presently occupied by the biggest bunch of shitfucking crooks this country has ever known.

        What their policies are I don’t fucking care.

        This country needs change. Anything must be better, except for the Toytown N­a­zis, of course.

        • 152
          Mercian says:

          No one else has the remotest chance of kicking the present government out.

        • 237
          The Yorkshire Ripper says:

          The thing that annoyed me most of all when this set of Socialist Scum were voted in was an interview on the street with some pleb who was asked who they were voting for and why….

          ‘Liebour’…

          ‘And why?’

          ‘Oh, we could do with a change….’

          What? Are you deranged woman? What was she thinking? This is why referendums never will be put to the people in this country because we have people voting with mindsets like this. Utterly fucking clueless. Happy now? Happy about voting for the change? Make sure you know who and why your voting instead of trotting out unsequestered drivel. However, in your case Sir, you would be right – free market and thinking beats Socialism hands down – results speak for themselves. Look at the economy now – pretty similar to how Wilson left it before Thatcher. Fucked.

      • 179
        1381 says:

        The English Democrats are not the only party supporting an English parliament.
        The unmentionables support an English parliament within a proper federal Britain, in other words changing to the constitutional format of most other democracies.
        One of the reasons they are getting my vote.

        • 198

          Well there’s two. Almost a quorum.

          *snig­ger*

        • 278
          Captain Darling says:

          Yep, English Democrats getting my vote. English Parliament first and then push for the dissolution of the Union and independence for England.

          The Union is obselete…. time for a fresh start for England… An inclusive Nationalism is the way forward…

      • 197
        Romper Suit. says:

        Here’s my counter offer.

        Get rid of the Welsh assembly. Get rid of Scottish Assembly.

        Both are nothing more than job creation schemes for politicians.

        • 240
          The Yorkshire Ripper says:

          Hear hear

        • 253
          Anonymous says:

          and the Stormont farce

        • 283
          Captain Darling says:

          Dissolving the Scottish Parliament, Welsh Assembly and Stormont wouldn’t be popular in the celtic fringes now! Still it would make for entertaining politics and give me a good ole larf!

        • 341
          Aristotle says:

          Get rid of the Welsh assembly

          hear hear – it was voted in by a minority and is a NuLab puppet anyway

        • 439
          Sir Barrington Minge says:

          Better yet…just get rid of the Welsh & the Scots….who needs them?

    • 128
      Basil says:

      Eu rope if you want to …

    • 134
      Anonymous says:

      Ming the meaningless replies:-

      Blah blah blah…………………
      Vote for me-Im scottish you know!”

    • 297
      RobC says:

      If its a straight toss up between Farage’s 2million and Brown who stole 100 billion in tax destroying our pensions and sold gold at a current loss of at least 6 billion – I would say that you are talking out of the back of your arxx pal.

    • 303
      Enuf says:

      Don’t forget Farage employs his wife too…the UKIP are troughers too.

      • 332
        Sir Gobblebollock says:

        UKIP MEP’s make no secret of it, you dont see any other parties to keen on educating us about their huge EU gains.

        So enough already about Nigel farage’s 2 million geeze. He has the bollocks to tell us about it. Thats more than can be said for the rest of the sleazy bastards.

    • 414
      jgm2 says:

      Are you suggesting we use eugenics to decide who we should vote for?

      My mum was a great believer in that. She’d always look at the paper after some chap had been found guilty of rape or murder or whatever, shake the picture in your face and declare ‘you’d know he was guilty just by the look of him’.

      The police and courts could have saved a fortune just by having my mum walk around shopping precincts pointing out folk to be arrested and under what charge they should be sentenced. In fact you could have cut out jury trials altother (just like this evil government planned to do).

      Just have my mum declare ‘em guilty of whatever she’d decided they were guilty of.

      You are my mum.

      Why was I not informed that you’d risen from the dead?

  31. 74
    Disillusioned says:

    Who have Labour got to replace Brown?

    They are going to lose the election anyway – is anyone other than Brown mad enough to want to lead them into the next election? Whoever does so will be finished in politics the day after the result.

    • 83
      Boris says:

      I propose Roy Hattersley as the next King of Labour…

      Just what the Doctor ordered…

      • 84
        Mrs T says:

        NO !!

        Michael Foot…

      • 86
        MI5 says:

        Agreed

        It must be a Lord…

        They only like Lords nowadays New Labour !!

        • 111

          How about one of the effete young things fresh out of boarding school? There must be a whole crop of Labour party elite offspring all up for the challenge. The end of the gap year should dovetail nicely with the forthcoming elections.

          Oh jolly climate change hockey sticks!

        • 139
          Boris says:

          Out of Hooland Park Comprehensive you mean ?

          And liitle Lord Mandelcash’s dansing school ?

    • 164
      Mercian says:

      The PM gets a better salary (and hence pension).

  32. 76
    NewGirl says:

    tee hee hhe couldn’t happen to a nicer party…!!

  33. 78
    Anonymous says:

    Vote English Democrats. They may still be a small party but they are saying all the right things.

    • 92
      English Democrats says:

      Sings “we’re shit and we know we are”

      • 335
        Sir Gobblebollock says:

        I lol’d.

        If these English Democrats are more concerned with power amongst the Scots, Welsh and Irish.. rather than the EU scratching to become one superstate monstrosity. Then they need to sort out their priorities before they get my vote.

  34. 80
    chronic says:

    Brown is more Fucked than a fucker getting fucked by a fucker who gets fucked for a fucking living who also gets fucked by a fucker in his fucking spare time.

  35. 81

    Does Gordon Brown love his position as the PM more than he loves the Labour Party? He must realize that if he puts off the General Election for another year Labour will be utterly destroyed? Which would be fine by me.

    Maybe he really is like Hitler in the bunker.

    • 108
      Anonymous says:

      “Does Gordon Brown love his position as the PM more than he loves the Labour Party?”

      Oh yes. Make no mistake about it. Gordon Brown now hates the Labour Party. He will want to take them down with him.

      • 133
        MI5 says:

        He hates himself as well

        That is the problem

        When will the men ion white coats finally be called ?

        I know Balls and Co are loyal, but this is becoming ridiculous…

    • 262
      WobblyJim says:

      I don’t believe that Brown sees being PM as anything other than the penultimate step to his real target environment of being something significant in Europe, same as Blair and most of the zanulab cabinet and seniors as well as some of the other party’s members.
      The creeping soft fascism is ready and on the books for when the great unwashed wake up and realise what and why and most importantly, WHO.
      Meanwhile McWazzock plans his latest re-launched shitplan and plotting his next attacks, all to buy time, more time to destroy just a little more, only a thorough scorched-earth plan will achieve his real objectives, and by that measure he sees major success where others do not. The bigger the shit pile Brown can leave behind, the more he will see himself as a glorious leader destined in his own mind for really great things.
      Plainly put, the more effective he is at destroying EVERYTHING British, the bigger will be his / their rewards when they get to rule in the EUSSR.
      It’s the only logical conclusion when looking at the utter and complete destruction of almost all aspects of British life. It makes the job of persuading the battered population that EUSSR is the answer to all of our problems and it’s all so very Hegelian.
      No team of people in ANY sector of life, anywhere on the planet could ever create such utter and total failure in Everything that they do unless it is actually deliberate.

    • 299
      A Pensioner says:

      Occaisionally I’m starting to feel sorry for the poor fucker. He’s never done anything successful in his life, had to hang about for 10 years “admiring” Tone, hasn’t really made much on the property scams like others, has a wife who will forever live with those pics with Carla Bruni. Meanwhile Blair has made good – albeit with an ugly wife as well. No wonder he looks broken.

  36. 85
    Kipper says:

    Par for the course. At least he admits to channeling his EU expenses into UKIP – a wholly noble cause. Get the snake to eat its tail.

    • 235
      midnight hour says:

      Hi All.

      I think I agree to vote UKIP in the EURO elections as my (current) point of view is that we need (UK PLC) to reduce UK deficit in this recession ASAP and the only sensible/obvious way i see is to come out of the EU (for now)

      I know UKIP are corrupt (the lot of them all have their snouts in the trough I know..) but UKIP do promote to get out of this EU/Common Purpose madness.

      When it comes to the UK elections then that is another conversation, ALL 3 main UK parties want membership to EU, I do keep asking myself why that is. What is in it for them? A bigger snout for a bigger trough?

      I just do not understand how we want to be part of a so called EU democracy when the leaders are so more morally corupt than UK and we can not vote these people out of office.

      It feels like voting for the best of the worst bunch.

      Rant over for now…thanks.

      • 254
        Moley says:

        The problem with the EU democracy is that isn’t one.

        EU Law is not produced by the EU Parliament it is produced by the unelected, and any referendum result in the negative is rejected with a request to the Country concerned to “sort it out and vote yes next time.”

        The EU is a dictatorship.

  37. 87
    Kipper says:

    Oh dear. Threading is fcuked again. Replies are not being attached to their parent messages.

  38. 88
    Not happy being fed spin and stats says:

    Re the old saying, I’m not rascist but…
    Not all voters are honest in their response to pollsters.

  39. 89
    chronic says:

    The Bar chart clearly shows that the b…n…p has captured the black vote.

  40. 101
    VotR says:

    Good.

  41. 116
    Siegfried says:

    They don’t get it. The XXP will get between 12 and 18%. People are still affraid to say they will vote for the XXP. You used to have the same thing in France (FN) and Belgium (VB). You will see.

    UKIP: between 15 and 20%

    • 138

      There’s a lot of truth in that. Nobody can take the Greens seriously but on the High Street to a questioning, earnest young pollster, of course you’re fucking Green!

    • 169
      bmp sporter says:

      peepel in street says scuse me av u got a mo wot u gonna vot in lexshun bmp sporters says lies

      bmp sporters is fraid off big brovver till lexshun over an bmp win an rool

  42. 122
    nell says:

    Well. Of course I hope the BNP don’t get a seat.

    But more importantly I hope Labour are going to get a drubbing.

    Brown/Balls/Cooper/Hoon/Smith/Blears/Straw/Hains/Mandelson/Any Labour person from Scotland/— etc etc – Your time is up!!!!!!!!

  43. 131
    oldrightie says:

    Were this to be even close to the result it would be bliss!

  44. 150
    Boris says:

    Actually my friends

    I have had more than enough of the BBC

    We should make no mention in any election manifesto about them

    But when the Tories win the next GE, we should just sell off the profitable parts and wind up the rest..

    THEY ARE WORTHY OF GOEBBELS NOW AND THEY HAVE BECOME A FUCKING DISGRACE

    • 173
      Mercian says:

      Are there any profitable parts, as they don’t have to show a profit?

    • 181
      Susie says:

      Agreed.

    • 211
      MI5 says:

      What is interesting is that no one has ever done what a basic business analysis of the BBC because everyone to date…including Mrs T was afraid of breaking up the SACRED COW…

      Take the BBC by division…break down what is profitable, like the documentaries and co-productions with WGBH (Boston) etc…I am not an expert in this but I have a lifetime running different businesses..

      YES there are profitable parts..

      Find them and wind the rest up..

      We have plenty of other media and the old mantra that the BBC guarantees INDEPEPENDANCE AFTER THESE YEARS OF NEW LABOUR PROPOGANDA IS A LIA

      So a BIT OF RADICAL THINKING MY FRIENDS AND IT CAN BE DONE

      OF COURSE THE BBC WILL SCREAM MUDER

      SO BE IT

      NOONE IS UNTOUCHABLE IN A DEMOCRACY ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY BEHAVE LIKE GOEBBELS

      WHAT A DISGRACE

      A real audit would show up in 3 months…

      • 244
        eeyup says:

        It’s the film/plays/comedy from tv and radio that goes back for years is worth a fortune all paid for by us,sell the rest but keep the the library.

    • 255
      Moley says:

      I haven’t paid my licence fee because of that disgusting toerag Jonathan Ross and his obscene phone call.

      The last letter I had from TV licencing fulfills all the legal requirements for a charge of blackmail.

    • 258
      Anon says:

      I haven’t paid my licence fee because of that disgusting toerag Jonathan Ross and his obscene phone call.

      The last letter I had from TV licencing fulfills all the legal requirements for a charge of blackmail.

      I intend to make a formal complaint to the police.

    • 272
      Commercial Brake says:

      Just work on the thought that if the BBC did’nt exist,would your life be any worse?

  45. 153
    Michael says:

    Interesting poll. Nice to see Labour getting a kicking. I will be giving UKIP my vote.

    • 191
      bmp sporter says:

      nic says ukip is verry klevver bmp an mebbe kolishun to rool aftar lexshun

  46. 155
    Ratsniffer says:

    16% voting labour – who are they? Well, never under estimate the doorstep tactics of Zanulabour. For starters, their door knockers will be looking for some payback from those who have benefited most from labour largesse. Expect the workshy to be told to vote labour or “see your benefits cut and you’ll be expected to get a job if the tories get in”

    Public sector workers in non-jobs, of course, will be desperate to cling onto their well paid sinecures and gold plated pensions, so labour gets a tick from them. same goes for anyone in a public sector union who will be bombarded with pro labour propaganda. After all, the bigger the public sector, the more union membership fees there are to piss up the wall.

    Yes, when you look at it, Blair and snotgobbler’s plans to build up a core of labour voters by buying them off with benefits, pensions and jobs for the boys just might have paid off.

    If it wasn’t for the fact that the rest of the country has seen through what a bunch of useless shysters they are.

    • 180
      Mercian says:

      I now work in the NHS, so I can get a bit of pension, after a lifetime in private industry and running my own business. Very few people I talk to want to keep Labour in. Most doctors are old-fashioned conservative, a lot of nurses hate waste and the bureaucracy, and there are also many office staff who can see how incompetent and corrupt this government is. The public sector might be more pro-Labour than the rest of the country, but in my experience they are by no means in the majority.

      • 232
        Anonymous says:

        I’m in the public sector – adult education. No-one I know will vote labour at my centre either. Labour have made our jobs unoperational – we are unable to teach due to dotting the ‘i’ and crossing the ‘t’ to prove we are doing our job. The situation is ridiculous

        • 245
          Dack Blog says:

          Ditto secondary education. The only one I expect to vote Labour is the head as he’s an arsehole. We’re not all leftie socialists, you know.

      • 327
        Ian G says:

        I am a member of the much abused plod and I can assure all that labours vote at my place wont reach double figures…We all remember 5 bellies refusing to honour our pay deal because the country couldnt afford it (22 milion extra)…….. half of our yearly EU spending…..and dont get me onto the cost of the troughers over 4 years….

        • 351
          Ratsniffer says:

          Thanks for your replies. I don’t count front line services as “non-jobs” and appreciate that those of you at the sharp end are usualy the public sector workers who feel the full force of labour crapology. Just make sure your colleagues are “on message” when it comes to the next election and don’t simply give Zanulabour a default vote.

          We have to make sure these arseholes never get into power again….look what they have done to the country…now magnify it by 10…that’s how bad it will be it if they think they have a public mandate to do whatever they like.

    • 219

      The chavs can barely tear themselves away from the Jeremy Kyle Show to get down to the Sainsburys so I don’t expect them to be queuing at the pollstations.

    • 483
      Nearly Headless Nick says:

      Actually snot tastes rather nice, in my experience!

  47. 157
    george says:

    Guido,

    On a point of order: Do we have to ask permission to organise a revolt? A petition perhaps?

  48. 160
    Mercian says:

    The Prime Minister gets a higher salary than an ordinary MP, and therefore a better pension. So if you think you’re going to lose your seat anyway….

  49. 161

    And the country. If he’s going down then the rest of us ungrateful bastards are going with him.

  50. 162
    Anonymous says:

    And you’re so wise before the event. Got a hot line to next week?

  51. 163
    Anonymous says:

    You are as out of touch as the thieving MP’s if you think these twats are popular north of the border. They are going to take a hammering from every corner of Britain.

  52. 193
    Canary Wharf Rat says:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1189615/Im-sorry–vote-says-Brown-letter-blaming-Tories-expenses-scandal.html
    Can you believe this!!!!! What a twat this man is!!!
    If I get a letter from him I’ll be calling for an excorcist in case the curse is attached and then once exorcised i’ll be wiping my arse with it and sending it back.

    • 204
      NewGirl says:

      he hasn’t a clue…

    • 208
      Rainman says:

      So that is what Brown has been up to for the last two weeks?

      Planning a counter attack so fucking stupid in it’s design that he will piss off at least another 3% of the remaining 16%.

      Did Mandelson sign off on this? I don’t fucking thing so. It takes a particular type of retard to think that blaming others for your problems is going to help now.

      To sum up his message in one sentence: It’s fair cop, but society and/or the tories are to blame.

      What a first class windowlicking retard.

  53. 194
    The hand of history says:

    Gordon Brown:

    Have you given ANY consideration as to how this is going to look in the history books? Have you NO self respect man?

    Get the fuck out of Downing Street while you still can. Take your thieving cabinet and thieving bankers with you and get the fuck abroad.

    Think Bonnie Prince Charlie. Come back in 10 years with some dignity when Cameron screws up.

    Do it now. There is NO other option for you.

  54. 199
    Do I look like a people person? says:

    Guido,

    Ruth Kelly has just told the Manchester Evening News that she has been cleared over her expenses.

    “We all bear a share of the responsibility for not getting our house in order earlier…I hope now with the proposals that have been put forward that we can move on…”

    http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/

  55. 206
    psycho voter says:

    I’ve been sitting behind the front door with me baseball bat for a fucking week waiting for a candidate to knock and ask for my support,and do you think any yellow spined cnut has called.
    Politics isn’t what is was.

  56. 270
    Moley says:

    Telegraph or fence?

    • 413
      Stanislavatory Plumma says:

      *
      *
      *

      BALLKOK REPEATERS

      THAT IS WOT U ARE

      BANQKRUPT AMERRYKANS

  57. 276
    WobblyJim says:

    The Mail website has a picture of McLoser on the front page which seems to capture the aura and the essence of utter failure. Revulsion oozes from his every pore. WTF is that expression telling me ?
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1189615/Im-sorry–vote-says-Brown-letter-blaming-Tories-expenses-scandal.html
    http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/05/29/article-1189615-0521D46E000005DC-127_233×423.jpg

  58. 279
    Barker says:

    Lets all get behind UKIP and give Labour a good thrasing ! lets just lend UKIP our vote in the one election. Brown will have to resign.

    • 352
      Obstainate says:

      FFS the word is ABSTAIN.

      There is a limit you know.

    • 477
      The fog on the Tyne says:

      “I hate to say this, but over the last 4/5 weeks there have been a dozen local council elections. The Liebor vote has remained fairly solid, the other lion’s share has been split between LibDems 24% and B NP 19% Torys 16% and Ukip 3% where they have been for years. This proves that the media lie about the poll figures. There were 2 local elections in Middlesborough last thursday, if the best that ” call me Dave ” can achieve is 4th spot behind the LibDems and the B NP when Liebor are in deep shit, then he may as well chuck the towel in NOW .!

  59. 298
    caesars wife says:

    As voters shuffle around , clear the front door carpet of election detritus , go for a few hours resting in the sunshine , crack jokes about duck houses dry rot treatment, sisters B&B business and moat cleaning and are agape at the scale of expense dipping , whilst at least 2.2 million people are officially not working , slowly but surely they begin to think , who is responsible for this .

    the 16% polled for labour is yet again another record breaker , they know that this goverment have lied to them , we know that that they have lied to them , and they know that we know they know they have lied to us.

    nothing is graver for a party than to have been found out running a ponzi scheme , nothing more deserving of ballot box punishment , not voting is pretty pointless , but then your left with the choice , do you put your tick in the massive anti politics kick up the arse box , do you put your vote in the thinking persons massive kick up the arse box .

    that is the trouble with lies and broken manifesto pledges , they ensure the pen will pass by the liars box , despite the local soothing being offered by campaign stalwarts , when it comes to saying thanks for the last few years and more worringly the next 5 to come , you cannot really vote labour for you would be the fooled , the duped , the lied to .

    saying sorry as priminister, does little to explain , abdicates responsibility to some sort of unavoidable error .

    the vaccuum created by labour is fundamentaly one of trust , nothing computes , how will the economy work , how are we to be taxed to death are 80% of the new car registrations made overseas . They are the do nothing party by default , as anything they do is unreliable .

    No one has commented how quiet the labour party machine is , how ministers are avoiding the media , hoping the people dont associate there face with bankcruptacy proceedings dire polls and fraud inquisition, its as though gordons team have rolled up to do battle only for him to turn round and find everyone has crept off to hide in the woods . Even polly is calling for gordon to stand down , not that the london mafia bother the jock communist party.

    a lib lab pact , best of luck with that idea , it will confirm that great minds think alike , or lie alike !!

  60. 308
    Lord Gideon Partisan BabblingBigot says:

    Labours Expenses sleaze and inaction has resulted in the record low poll.

    But it’s laughable to suppose the the Conservatives have not been hugely damaged by their troughers either.

    The public is still most likely to boot out NuLabour but to predict anything with complete certainty even a few months down the line is a dangerous game, as nobody saw the incredible scale of this expenses scandal coming, and a LibLab pact is just one of of the desperate ideas being floated by some in NuLabour.

    Ditching Brown is another.

    Proportional representation is yet another with it being the “Nuclear option of final resort” should Brown take the mother of all drubbings at the Euros and Locals.

    Politicians who suddenly realise their job is not safe have a habit of panicking and trying anything to get them out of the hole.

    And a public pissed off with Politics as usual will not be so very hostile to the idea of having a vote that actually counts no matter where you live or what Party you choose.

    UKIP also seem rather keen on the idea funnily enough.

    So if you support them at the Euros and locals you are, like it or not, supporting a Party who will push hard for this. They will use their increased support as a platform to attack Cameron mercilessly every chance they get.

    Particularly since he is most unlikely to change his European Policies and start another civil war over Europe in the Tory party right now.

    See how Dave treated Bill Cash compared to Julie Kirkbride ?

    There’s your answer on how Cameron will deal with bolshy Eurosceptics even after UKIP gets a far bigger vote.

    But they will not be quite so easy for him or the Media to ignore if they come second to Cameron. NuLabour are almost in complete meltdown but Dave is also going to be tested very hard and very soon.

    • 309
      terrace bar frequenter says:

      your pr comments are right.
      with FPTP and cameron in charge the bookies would not take abet now that scotland will have a majority of snp seats, as a 40% vote in each seat would win a majority of seats. their vote is fairly constant through most constituencies. which was previously agreed as a mandate for indendence. so that will have to be stopped, somehow, and pr is the only answer. if implosion occurs in england will the liberals go for it or will they see their chance to become the effective opposition.
      pr not impossible, after all the libs and labs are awfully cosy in scotland, cyclops and minger are very pally, at least compared to the other parties. and pr was needed for the scottish elections to avoid a potential snp landslide and a guaranteed lib lab pact ongoing, a contrived policy which has fallen in a heap now.
      how the libs must wish they had gone into coalition with the snp to show they could run the country well rather than being a wee dog biting people’s ankles.
      but as we know now minger could not let down his buddy cyclops and stopped it happening….

    • 315
      Anonymous says:

      “Laughable” is not a word I woudl use for these troughing swines and what they have done. Remember, it was ALL of them not SOME but ALL of them. You will end up reducing this Parliamentary DISGRACE to a mere interparty squabble.
      Thonk TACTICALLY – embarrass the LOT of them for now and come back later much stronger maybe with Richard Branson or Norm Tebit at the helm…..whatever. But don’t just hand Broon a victory on a plate OK.

      • 342
        Lord Gideon Partisan BabblingBigot says:

        Possibly why I never used “laughable” to describe the Piggies but the attitude that either of the main Parties WAS going to gain some decisive partisan advantage because of this.

        They won’t.

        The Libs will also feel some of the voters wrath in local campaigning and the best the fringe parties can hope for is a temporary boost that gives them a very vocal Media platform as a pressure group.

        There will be indeed tactical voting in a many places but don’t expect the public to do so en masse and be of one mind as there are many fringe parties standing.

        I’ve no idea how anyone could possibly hand Brown victory on a plate at the moment. He’s going to take a major kicking. It really is as simple as that.

        He might have to fight off a challenge after the Euros and Locals or he might not. Depends on how badly NuLabour do and how desperate some are.

        But even if no-one wants to step into his shoes we are still in a recession and the stink from this will not just “blow over” after Thursday. The Parties will hate it but it’s going to be front and centre of the General Election when it happens.

        How could it not be ?

        One things for sure, rarely can a European Election and the Locals have been as crucial and keenly watched as this one by those interested in Politics.

        But the rest of the public ? Will they embrace this as a chance to vent their fury or crash turnout even more ?

        Here’s 2004 – TURNOUT: 38.2% ELECTORATE: 44118453

        Up or down or the same ? You tell me as I am anything but certain just now.

  61. 311
    City of Vice says:

    It looks like the repeated attempts by the Labourgraph and BBC to play up Tory wrongdoing, while playing down the antics of Labour’s high ranking cabinet troughers, hasn’t work then.

    Even Channel 4 news – hardly a bedrock of Tory sentiment – was wondering why so little was being made of the misdeeds of the expense fiddlers in the Cabinet.

  62. 317
    Anonymous says:

    Stop whinging willya. “That’s Life”, as they say. Do something useful and ABSTAIN now in the short term and take ‘em off their guard LATER. Use yer noddle my son.

  63. 322
    Canary Wharf Rat says:

    Seems like the Gruniad is getting all steamed up on our behalf over DC’s Eurosceptic leanings and how Tory “grandees” and senior civil servents think he is daft to try and reopen the Lisbon treaty debate.
    Seems to me the the Gruniad may in fact be shooting themselves in the foot if this was meant to be a spoiler for the upcoming elections.
    . PS Memo to the Gruniad & GB: Where’s our fucking Iraq enquiry? The troops are back Mr Brown so forget the apology and the big plan, give us what was promised.

    • 388
      Susie says:

      Guardian along with the BBC are so up themselves they think no one’s noticed… bad news — we have.

      So Cameron wants to hold EU Constitution/Lisbon up to greater public scrutiny and they think this will put voters off the Tories?

      They’re off the planet.

  64. 323
    Stronghold Barricades says:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/mps-expenses/5408188/MPs-expenses-How-David-Cameron-can-now-shame-Labour.html

    About the only thing that I can agree with from this is

    there is already something he can do to show he is back in control, and I would urge him to do it today. It is for the Chief Whip to tell those MPs who have agreed to stand down that they should do so now, and not at the next election.

    Otherwise I have to believe Heffer is still sanctimonious about the election run off that never was

    • 346
      Canary Wharf Rat says:

      Spot on.

    • 365
      It doesn't add up... says:

      He’s being sanctimonious because he was too slow with his diatribe against his local MP Haselhurst, who had already repaid the sums in question ($12k gardening) and announced to the press 12 hours before Heffer published that he intended to stand against him if he didn’t pay it back.

  65. 326
    Lonely Planet says:

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  66. 328
    Canary Wharf Rat says:

    Jeez can you fucking believe this……!!!!!!!In the Gruniad no less!!!

    “More than 50 Labour MPs have asked to join the House of Lords after the next general election. Guardian columnist Martin Kettle explains what this tells us about Labour’s political prospects and its principles.”

    What it tells me is that they are totally ill equipped for the fate that is awaiting for them and have no idea how to survive outside Planet Westminster or without state handouts.

    Hang the bastards.

    • 430
      Susie says:

      And says a lot about the other place… they see that their troughing lifestyles continue only if they can get a peerage.

      Once in power, Cameron should serve notice on the House of Lords, not by abolishing it but by cleaning out the stables. The upper house should be solely dealing with the amendment, fine-tuning or sending back bills passed in the Commons, those not qualified to do this are out.

  67. 329
    Anonymous says:

    Now that’s stat porn

  68. 330
    StoneWaller says:

    Guido, the Daily Mail say’s that Gordo has written a letter to Labour voters urging them to vote for him. Can we ask “who typed this letter?”, “who paid for the paper?” and “who paid for the postal costs?”. If it is the case that it was No. 10 staff who typed and it was No 10. notepaper and fingers were in the till again to pay the postage serious questions should be asked and answered.

    • 403
      Bill F says:

      To answer your question, I fished out the letter from the bin into which my 18-year old daughter threw it after receiving it yesterday (lol).

      Piecing it back together, the contact details at the top of the letter read “39 Victoria Street, London, SW1H OHA w labour.org.uk c labour.org.uk/contact”.

      The small print at the bottom says “Promoted by Ray Collins, General Secretary, the Labour Party, on behalf of the Labour Party, both at 39 Victoria Street, London, SW1H OHA. Printed by Tangent Communications PLC, Truscott House, 32-42 East Road, London N1 6AD.”

      The letter states “MPs should never have spent taxpayers’ money on cleaning their moats or swimming pools, or [my emphasis] PAYING PHANTOM MORTGAGES.” “Labour are determined to put things right – not through words, but through action….That’s why Labour have suspended MPs who are suspected of wrongdoing.”

      Really? Was Morley suspended?? Have the other phantom mortgage payers been suspended??

      • 417
        StoneWaller says:

        Thanks Bill … I think you’re right Blears, Balls & Cooper are still there after flipping, Darling (and many other min isters) still there after avoiding tax on his accountant’s bill for advise on his/their Self Assessment form. They shouldn’t be suspended (apart from a lamp post with Guido’s poster on it) – they should GO and GO NOW!

  69. 331
    Anonymous says:

    Watching BBC news 24, they just did a paper review with Simon Farnshawe First up was the bail out of motor industry. Second up was the Britain’s Got Talent. And finally he got around to the expenses scandal, and then put the boot in on ex telegraph hack Kirkbride (tory mp). Absolutely no mention of Labour or the Times front page. Strange that, as reading his website he looks like the usual Labour supporting non-entity based on his website – http://www.simonfanshawe.com/wp/?page_id=2. His troughing days off the public teat, I can only hope, will be fast coming to an end when his masters Labour are rightly removed from power.

  70. 334
    Hugh Janus says:

    For pity’s sake! I have just caught up with the Bill Cash interviews on Newsnight and Ch4 News. This was another Anthony Steen moment for the Conservatives – it was vewy, vewy bad. How did this Hoon ever get anywhere near Parliament? This arrogant pillock from the dinosaur wing of the party is a complete and total embarrassment, and the sooner we send him and his type packing the better. His convoluted ‘explanation’ was nothing more than a pathetic attempt to obfuscate. Trying to defend renting a flat from your daughter when you already have a flat that is actually closer to the H o C is, well, utterly indefensible. And trying to shout down Jon Snow just added to a truly awful, toe-curling car crash of a moment.

    With dreadful people like this clinging on to their jobs for dear life I feel ashamed to think that this is a party that I support.

    • 350
      Lord Gideon Partisan BabblingBigot says:

      Cash is under some strange delusion that Dave won’t put the boot in and he has the luxury of time and “due process” to rehearse and trot out his excuses to a sympathetic panel of Tories who will understand that it was all “within the rules”.

      He could not be more wrong.

      All the piggies are supremely confident they can “weather this out” when it first hits the press. But then the reality of their constituents fury slowly begins to seep through their thick piggish hides and the “discussions” with the Whips and Dave quickly turn into ultimatums and options about their future outside politics.

      If Kirkbride had to go after having the support of Dave then the odds on the likes of Cash staying, when Dave has been pretty dismissive of him, are not good.

      And Kirkbride also tried the convoluted 5 minute long “explanation” ploy. It didn’t work and will never work. No nightly News broadcast will carry 5 uninterrupted minutes of a Politician droning on about special circumstances and the minutia of the rules. And if they did it would infuriate the public not make them more sympathetic. As you rightly say obfuscation is pathetic and never works.

    • 366
      Anonymous says:

      You have to admit though, the one thing that distinguishes Tory troughing from NuLiebour troughing is that you have a better class of trougher from the Tory types. So it’s not all doom and gloom.

  71. 336
    Canary Wharf Rat says:

    Read this the other day in the Times:

    MPs’ expenses: Gordon Brown proposes constitutional changes in wake of scandal.

    An unelected leader proposing Constitutional change?

    Sounds slightly dodgy to me……

    Who does he think he is? The Queen?

    • 337
      Hugh Janus says:

      Just spin, nothing will come of it. A pitiful attempt at diverting attention from his appalling failures, and the party he leads that is just about to disappear down the toilet. Keep going McBust, with people like you in power the opposition just have to sit back and wait for the inevitable. Deep (if temporarily painful) joy.

      • 356
        Lord Gideon Partisan BabblingBigot says:

        It was anticiapted days into this scandal the Brown would lie low and then after the Euro disasters try a huge diversionary relaunch with a package of big reforms.

        His status as an unelected leader will not stop him pushing through Legislation and a totally Elected House of Lords, reforms to the Election process itself, party funding and many other “wheezes” are being considered by Mandy and Number 10.

        Just how major they will be will depend on how big a kicking he gets.

    • 347
      White bishop says:

      No, but we all know he’s A queen.

    • 349
      Trough Mixture says:

      He’s completely delusional. He seems to think that because he is current postholder, that people give a flying fuck what he thinks.

      The reality is that the man is off his trolley, a danger to democracy and those people who don’t want to kill him want to see him in prison with his predecessor. He’s a shanker on the genitals of politics.

  72. 339
    Right Bastard says:

    A massive vote for Conservatives will destroy McMental and force a General Election. The chance has come – what we have waited for so long.

    • 348
      Ratsniffer says:

      Whatever you do, make sure it isn’t a postal vote though. Non-labour votes might just get “lost”.

    • 391
      Susie says:

      Vote tory for a general election, worst case is you’ll be cutting the troughers’ sinecure by 9 months.

  73. 345
    Withnail says:

    Bill Cash is a monkey’s cock, an offensive twat – fuck off to your golf club and stay there Bill you troughing bastard

    Bill Cash the unacceptable face of the Tories,

  74. 353
    Kleenex says:

    Try OBSTAINING.

    Always gets me to sleep.

  75. 355
    Tony Blair says:

    Alright,alright,you asked what I claimed for and in the interests of transparency here is my list

    Here’s a list of the choicer items:

    * 400 self-adhesive goggly eyes
    * A full size dalek
    * 1,000 cocktail umbrellas
    * A replica Storm Trooper suit
    * 5,000 kitchen cupboard doors
    * A pub
    * A life-sized statue of Lara Croft
    * A replica US Army 1840s revolver
    * A ghillie suit
    * A set of deep purple satin bedsheets
    * A 6-berth motorhome (off a man in a pub)
    * A 12-disc Worzel Gummidge DVD box set
    * 1,500 square metres of granite tiles
    * A commemorative Eric Bristow plate

    and

    * The skeletal remains of a nineteenth-century
    artist’s model called Jo

    Now all I ask for is some space for my family so that we can enjoy watching the final of “Britain’s Got Troughers” and I must have a great chance to win.

  76. 357
    Ratsniffer says:

    What with all these soon to be unemployed labour MPs begging Snotgobbler for a peerage, I reckon some of us would make better lords.

    Lord Guido, of course, is worthy of his ermine, and I would personaly nominate Lady Nell for a seat alongside Lord Ratsniffer….

  77. 358
    Lord Gideon Partisan BabblingBigot says:

    Dave has now said any Politician making fraudulent claims should face the “full force of the Law.”

    Bit of a hostage to fortune unless he is very confident that his favoured MP’s have been fully forthcoming in their discussions with him.

    But let’s give him the benefit of the doubt as it was about time somebody in frontline Politics said it.

  78. 360
    Anonymous says:

    We are witnessing the death and destruction of NuLab! Rejoice! As someone famoulsy urged us! Ha! Ha! Imagine their faces. Enjoy their pain. It’s payback time motherfuckers! And how they WILL pay. Does everyone know that Jackunt Smith’s huswife was caught wanking to GAY porn at the taxpayer’s expense? Or is it just a vicious, slanderous rumour? Fuck, she drove him gay, she’s that fucking vile. Probably better than slinging his sausage up that grotty alleyway?

  79. 363
    Orson Cart says:

    Well, if the LibDem party cannot head a Labour government lead by the most unpopular PM since records began, they might as well shut up shop!

    • 457
      Sir Robin Knest-Magpie says:

      I’ve never understood the point about LibDems or Liberal. Never.

  80. 364
    Lord Gideon Partisan BabblingBigot says:

    Possible LibLab pact with Darling, Blears and others getting booted and Vince Cable getting the Chancellorship ?

    Unthinkable a few weeks ago.

    All too plausable now for a desperate drowning Brown after a Euro kicking.

    Interesting times indeed.

    • 374
      Ratsniffer says:

      I’d say a Tory-Lib pact is more likely….both parties know they have to rid the country of Zanulabour forever if we have any hope of washing away more than a decade of shite.

    • 395
      Sunonmars says:

      Here’s hoping the Libdems dont touch Labour with a 10ft bagepole.

    • 398
      garry says:

      “Interesting times indeed.”

      I presume you mean this as a euphemism for a fucking nightmare.

  81. 367
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    Anonymous says:

    The populus poll also shows that for a general election the Tories are up 2% to 41% and Labour are down 5 to a record low of 21%. That poll is getting no mention on the BBC and Sky today who are choosing to concentrate solely on the Euro poll.

  83. 376
    Anonymous says:

    Gordon Brown writes to thousands of voters blaming the MPs sleaze scandal on the Tories:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1189615/Im-sorry–vote-says-Brown-letter-blaming-Tories-expenses-scandal.html

    • 378
      RavingMad says:

      So, that’s where he’s been these last few days. In his study with his coloured crayons again. Bless…..

    • 390
      Mrs Kindleysides says:

      Pure spin as we know the opposite is true. Brown is a blatent liar and surely most of the populace can see this.

      Whether Brown likes it or not, Labour MPs seem to excel at:

      1. Mortgage fraud
      2. Tax evasion
      3. The ‘flipping’ of properties

      There are many more labour MPs guilty of the above than tories. Infact a large number of Brown’s cabinet are guilty of the above. These crimes are much worse than buying duck houses, cleaning moats etc and although wrong, the latter make more amusing reading so the press spin these stories out.

      Labour are trying to turn this expenses scandal and blame it on the tories whereas the opposite is true. It has become more and more acceptable since 1997 to abuse the expenses system as labour have positively encouraged it. They have always seen the tories’ wealth as a disadvantage to labour. So, Blair saw the expenses system as a way of enriching his MPs (including himself).

      Very few people seem to mention the fact that while she was in No 10, Thatcher replaced the bathrooms out of her own pocket.
      It would seem that people have very selective memories.

    • 400
      garry says:

      He really does not know any different to being an opportunistic, lying, conniving little shit.

      • 458
        Sir Robin Knest-Magpie says:

        I agree totally with Gordon Brown. It don’t mean I’ll vote for NuCons or NuLabour. You couldn’t put a fag paper between ‘em and that includes the guardian.

  84. 377
    RavingMad says:

    As well as criminally ripping off the public for their expenses, James Purnell (LabDickbrain) is of the opinion that the state (that’s us) should pay for party funding. The phrase he uses is “take the big money out of politics” – which is what I thought they were doing anyway??

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/may/29/james-purnell-party-funding

  85. 381
    Well I'm ever so offended says:

    I’ve seen it all now the BBC is apologising to the moslem council because one of the QT panel upset them. Good grief the QT panel upset me every fucking week and I’ve never had one apology, nor do I expect one.

    This country is going to the dogs and the cow towing BBC is in the advance scout party.

    • 438
      City of Vice says:

      The BBC are run by a bunch of champagne socialist tosspots.

      Note to Dave : when you get elected, grow some balls and abolish the licence fee (TV Tax).

      Maybe the Muslim Council of Britain should apologise to Christendom for the fall of Constantinople.

      Or for the 7/7 London Bombings…

      Enough already with this apologising fetish.

      • 460
        Sir Robin Knest-Magpie says:

        ‘When you get elected’. There are a vast number of UK citizens who don’t want Dave elected.

  86. 383
    Queen John II says:

    Yeah yeah. This is the same Times that has just had egg shat on its face with that dodgy £5,000 donation.

    Plus the fact that the MSM has been shitting Union Jacks all week.

  87. 385
    1381 says:

    Hardly a surprise.
    Under Cameron the Tories are a liberal party.
    Wait until you see the candidates replacing those that he is purging. He can’t wait to get rid of Cash.
    Look at his policy on Europe and immigration.
    Not tissue paper between them.
    Its just that Cameron keeps quiet and cons the true blue.
    The media, with its own ultra liberal agenda, lets him.

  88. 387
    guess what? says:

    the most loathesome hypocrite in Britain strikes again. i wonder what mummy and daddy would have thought?

    ‘it wasnae me’

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1189615/Im-sorry–vote-says-Brown-letter-blaming-Tories-expenses-scandal.html
    so no fiddling by brown, darling, hoon,?????????

    i hope he gets cancer.

  89. 389
    Jeremy says:

    Dear Guido, my wife and I recently attended a fancy dress party whereby she chose to dress as a Midshipman from the Royal Navy circa 1790.

    She looked really sexy and hot, so hot in fact I had to take her from behind before we even left for the engagement.

    Does this mean I’m gay?

  90. 405
  91. 415
    Stanislavatory Plumma says:

    *
    *
    *
    AMERRYKANS ARE ALL GOING TO BE DRIVING THE GNU FIAT VESPOOTCHIE SOON

    DIESEL ALREDDY

  92. 422
    Ming The Merciless says:

    UKIP=TROUGHERS-BIG TIME

    NIGEL FARAGE??-WOULD YOU BUY A USED CAR FROM THIS MAN????

    • 434
      Ex UKIP member says:

      Only if I could afford the £2,000,000 he would want for it.
      His greed leaves the ms politicians in junior school.

      • 454
        Sir Robin Knest-Magpie says:

        UKIP are working to do away with the need for their own jobs when their mission is accomplished. (Mentioned elsewhere here). He can take all he wants whilst he’s in the position to do so in my oppinion. There won’t be a need for UKIP MEP’s.

        • 466
          Anonymous says:

          If UKIP were worth voting for they would not be allowed on the BBC.

        • 472
          Ex UKIP member says:

          Well there is a need now and after 12 years as MEPs they have done B all other than feather their own nests.
          What a waste of a vote. They are the establishment fix to syphon off, harmlessly, the anti EU vote.
          You may as well throw your vote in a bin for all the good it will ever do voting UKIP.
          They have almost no councillors and the establishment talks them up each Euro election in the hope they will take votes from the unmentionables. UKIP then swans around the EU pocketing the proceeds until they serve the establishment again next time round.
          This election I think people have started to see through them and their gravy train.
          The elite are terrified of real anti EU action and thats why they are wetting their collective knickers trying to persuade people not to vote unmentionable.

    • 467
      You know when you've been UKIPPED says:

      Hello Cut and paste BNP troll again!
      Repeatedly posting the same lie does not make it true:

  93. 424
    THE 4% MYTH says:

    I see Guido is flogging his Ukipigy horse to death again. “well if you must” unfortunately a dozen local council elections over the last month place Ukipigys where they have been for years 3%. The unmentionable party are cruising at 19.7%.” Where are the Tories?”.

    • 455
      Sir Robin Knest-Magpie says:

      Most folk realise that you couldn’t put a fag paper between Tories and New Labour.

  94. 425
    Beaver hunter says:

    A husband and wife team operating in europe have been carting away public money for years and not even declaring they are married step forward

    Stephen Hughes MEP and his wife Cindi Beaver aka Hughes.

    He employs her as a political ‘researcher’ – she has many other interests including taking away over £30k from Darlington Council as a cabinet member, then some more as a member of the North East Regional assembly and the rest.

    Between them trousering somewhere around half a mill a year.

    Why not ask them?

    stephen-hughes@btconnect.com
    cindi.hughes@darlington.gov.uk

    or visit his web site

    http://www.stephenhughesmep.org

    Cheating thieving scum.

    anyone know of any more because this sort of factual information should inform voters next week

  95. 427
    Beaver hunter says:

    I suppose the answer is vote anyone but Labour and the BNP.

    Send them both into oblivion.

  96. 431
    Anonymous says:

    Why the surprise? Vast numbers of Dave’s own members don’t trust him on Europe. And just how many houses DOES he own both directly and INDIRECTLY?

    • 468
      Anonymous says:

      How many times have we seen Tory postings that start “Hopefully Dave”.

  97. 436
    Nearly Headless Nick says:

    “Fog in the Channel – Europe cut off”

    (Newspaper headline when the British Empire ruled half the world).

    Specifically, the “English” channel. England owns it. Several foreign navies lie under it!! When bad weather stops the ferries from sailing the English are concerned that the continent is cut off and deprived of English influence.

  98. 473
    Anonymous says:

    All Dave has got to do is promise us (then give us) a referendum on the EU and UKIP would crumple.

    Does anybody know if Germany’s loan to Opel is within the EU rules? Or is it another case of where the small print says Germany and France from EU legislation (especially if the UK comes worst off?)

  99. 479
    Josef says:

    Obviously these people questioned weren’t from Middlesborough.
    The whole UKIP ruse is getting rather dull Guido (so you must be a little worried about the Tory vote).




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