Cabinet of Tax Evaders
When Gordon Brown introduced the 50p tax rate he said that “it is right that those that earn more should pay more”. Obviously that is except if they sit around his cabinet table. If members of the cabinet paid tax on their perks like the rest of us they would be well inside the £150,000 / 50p tax bracket. In awarding themselves tax-free perks they evade paying the higher tax rate. A cabinet salary package, with grace and favour residence thrown in, is worth well over £250,000.
Government limousines go untaxed, whereas company cars are heavily taxed. £400 a month for groceries is a tax-free perk for politicians, whereas anything more than a couple of quid subsistence sandwich is taxed for the ordinary travelling salesman. The mortgage subsidy alone is worth some £40,000, it is a tax-free perk for cabinet members. Stamp duty is not a tax that troubles those who tax us, they charge it to us taxpayers. Against clear HMRC rules they even charge the cost of tax advice to the taxpayer.
Taxpayers have seen their burden go up and up while the governing classes live like Soviet era nomenklatura, above the law with untaxed perks denied to ordinary workers. This is spitting in the faces of taxpaying voters.
If Dave is serious about cleaning up MPs and Ministers expenses then he will raise this issue at PMQs….but if he ain’t like he ain’t over Europe then he will divert attention to elsewhere..
Thieving troughing hoons all of them.
Begone!
Strange that this comes not long after HM REvenue and Customs just upped it’s enforcement and compliance budget this year by £1bilion to cut tax avoidance and evasion by £2.4 billion.
“Lesley Strathie, who took over as the HMRC’s chief executive and permanent secretary five months ago, said that the organisation would relentlessly pursue those who bent or broke the rules.”
They won’t have to look very hard or very far to find some of the most piggishly greedy and stupid culprits will they ?
Figures and quote from this article
Revenue to pour quarter of its £4bn budget into battle against tax evasion
http://www.ilex.org.uk/about_ilex/news/legal_news/revenue_target_tax_dodgers.aspx
if you look at everything these bastards claim it is clear they live off expences .and bank their salerys untuched what ever excuses they come up with these are the biggest spongers in this country!get rid of them all NOW!
Exactly the conclusion I came to. They do not touch their salaries at all and they now have the cheek to claim a full tax free resettlement grant when they fail at their job and do not get re-employed when their contract is up.
I trust Dave’s fixed term parliament will remove this golden parachute (amongst many) as they will be employed for an agreed period.
I can’t understand how MPs can exempt themselves from the taxes that the rest of us have to pay.
All these claims for food, furnishings, cleaners, gardeners, accountants, tv’s, videos, digital cameras, etc, etc would be classed as benefits in kind to the rest by HMR&C (assuming we could get them past our company accounts dept in the first place). How come MPs can exempt themselves? More to the point, why the hell should they?
Forget moats, duck islands and tennis courts, that’s all smoke and mirrors.
>I can’t understand how MPs can exempt themselves from the taxes that the rest of us have to pay.
It’s simple. They’re crooks.
They need to go. It’s time for new MPs. Our greedy political elite are a class of shits.
Agreed We need to see PROSECUTIONS!
Additionally, Cameron also needs to look at restoring the power of the sovereign people of the UK by blocking and reversing the move to relocate Parliamentary powers into the third sector in quangos that do not operate under oath.
That is OUR power that they are giving away. ALL the mainstream parties are committing TREASON!
PROSECUTE JU:IE KIRKBRIDE!
She`s the worst of the lot and her fraud is greater than any other. Cameron needs to look at this woman very closely and act now. The longer it drags on, the worse it gets. The revaltions about this woman are just the tip of the iceberg. Sovereign power to the people and integrity restored to the party, that should be Cameron`s aim. The Kirkbride problem will not go away!
Julie’s climing up the top 10 for sure, but Margaret Moron is still WAY out in front – number 1 on the chart for the third week running, pop pickers ;-)
“SOVEREIGN power to the people and integrity restored to the party”
Good slogan. He needs to push that hard, because if he doesn’t, there are millions ready to vote independent. The people have had enough!
Kirkbride is all but finished and can swap tales of the good old days feeding lavishly at the trough with Madine Dotties when she finds herself “retired” by Cameron.
I don`t agree, theres much more to come out yet with regard to Julie Kirkbride. Already she is far ahead of Moran in my view. Kirkbride needs a full investigation from all angles to expose the full scandal, not a meeting with a sympathetic party committee desparately seeking a whitewash.
Closely followed by a ludicrous Baroness, suckling untrammelled on the teat of the parliamentary Udder.
Let us not forget the Bent Baroness of Bangla Palace and her subsidised social house in Tottering Hamlets.
Get them – one and all of the Upper and the Lower House.
The fact that Kirkbride still holds the Conservative whip, shows that Dave is not serious. He is just using this expenses malarkey to get rid of those MPs who he considers to be trouble makers.
Kirkbride will be more trouble for him than he thinks, but I agree.
Julie is up there with Smith, Blears, McNulty, Hoon, Purnell, Darling and the others for sure – but she is no worse than them. I am not aware that she evaded Capital Gains Tax or claimed for a mortgage which did not exist. I want Kirkbride to go, but so must more than half the Cabinet.
Troughers (and Labour) OUT!
If Cameron is serios about anything at all, he should clean up his most immediate problem first. The unprecedented mass of people in Bromsgrove are demanding an elcetion there now, and this is not happening in any other constituency. He needs to sack Kirkbride immediately. JULIE KIRKBRIDE IS A DANGER TO EVERYTHING CAMERON IS WANTING TO DO. And a danger to everyone. In the interests of Justice she should be prosecute. She is the very worst offender of all.
Balls.
Kirkbride is a staw woman. The issue is the milking of the taxpayers by The Labour Cabinet. Brown, Balls, Usher, Flint, Darling have been involved in rewriting the tax rules and the levels of income tax since 1997. Labour not Lib Dems or Tories has been in power since 1997, and instead Labour Ministers have been first to the trough.
Brown has studied Soviet History, and orders HMRC to make life difficult for everyone but him and his fellow troughers.
The XanuLab Trolls still don’t get it, Brown, Cooper, Hoon, Flint Darling, Balls and Usher are Treasury Ministers, setting out Taxes for the rest of us whilst minimising their exposure to their own odious tax laws.
Hey, do not have a go at people criticising the tory troughing. I mean, troughing is troughing and they are all at it. I agree that labour’s is worse.
If I had my way, the tories and liberals would be in prison.
The labour cabinet should NOT be facing prison. They should be facing the gallows. I would bring back hanging for those corrupt, treasonous bastards!
Theres more to come with KIRKBRIDE. She is the worst! I agree about Labour but sacking Kirkbride gives a clearer start.
Orwell has long been hailed as prescient with 1984.
He was even more prescient with Animal Farm since the pigs are indeed the first among equals these days.
The USSR was probably the source of his inspiration but the UK political elite (including the Quango kings and now even Councillors) have put Black Sea dachas somewhat in the shade don’t you think?
I see Julies little PR beavers are still spinning furiously.
Brown and his disgusting troughers soon will get what’s coming to them.
But that obviously doesn’t excuse Kirkbrides Piggery.
Kirkbride needs to go – but there is another thread for that. This thread is about the major troughers and dodgers in the Labour Cabinet!
We should be given the same exemptions for our expenses that MPs have.
Then all the MPs should be shot.
Followed shortly by HMRC.
I read The tax advisor they employed was not registered. So would a real accountant have given them the advice they had. I somehow think word got around they could get dodgy tax advice when real accountants told them they would have to pay tax.
Probably right…
These “Cabinet” and other Ministers behave like they are in the back streets of the Gorbals…No surprising I suppose..
But it is still sick…
The State has nicked what little democracy we had left by overpaying these hoon’s. It has cleverly allowed the allowance to such an extent none of them would dare express an opinion or hold to account their party. What a SHAM lets have change. How many men have sacrificed their all for this chamber while they have sold our freedoms. A bunch of frightened civil servants thats what they have become working not for the people but for the State
DOES ANYONE REMEMBER TEFLON TONY’S RUN IN WITH CHERIES BEST FRIEND CAROL CAPLINS CON MAN BOYFRIEND AT THE TIME??
RUMOUR IS HE DIDN’T JUST ADVISE THEM ON BAD PROPERTY DEALS BUT TAX ADVICE AS WELL….
Those awful HIPs that Mrs Balls introduced, does she put hers down to expenses?
HIPS are an EU diktat, so ballless has no choice but to implement. In Europe but not run by Europe as we all know.
No, only the energy performance certificate is an EU requirement.
And any moron can measure and record the thickness of the lagging and volume of windows in a few seconds. But NO Mrs Balls has made it a law that we must pay some jobsworth a small fortune to record the obvious.
She also made it a requirement that this must be done every time a property is sold – whereas the EU merely required an assessment every ten years. And of course, once the Government licensed snooper has given your place the onceover, it all gets recorded on a central database. New Labour just LOVES controlling, snooping, monitoring, regulating *DATABASES*. In fact thinking about them is the only way Ms Androgynous Cooperballs can get an orgasm.
Its a requirement before the house can even go on the fucking market.
No they are not.
They are another Liebour nanny state badly thought out intervention.
EU has nothing to do with it.
“No they are not”
Erm, yes they are.
Try reading this sometime.
Directive 2002/91/EC on the Energy Performance of Buildings.
Can I get a HIP replacement on the NHS ?
Of course, and we’ll throw in MRSA for free.
Did you mean chicks for free?
I’m trying to compile a list of all the thieving by cabinet members. The problem, much like the Telegraph’s, there’s so bloody much of it.
Woman on a Raft: Mandy’s Diary, Mercoledi 27 Mayo.
I’ve read elswhere that the whole expenses saga involves 3 million documents. I believe that this only relates to 4 years of parliamentary non-business.
If it only relates to 4 years, it works out as 1150 documents/claims per mp per year, or 4.6 documents claims per weekday, or more than 1 document/claim per 2 hours assuming a net 8 hours worked per day! (and mps work less than 250 days I suspect).
Staggering indeed, saddening even more so
The Telegraph said a few days back that they are only a third of the way through what they have, and they have had 25 journalists on this for the past 4 weeks.
Looks like they’re finished with the ACA claims, now they’re starting on the office expenses – stand by for more MP employing their family on over-inflated salaries and renting offices at way-above market rate from family and constituency parties…
Definately, Office Expenses!
With just the ACA and some office “expenses” analysed and disclosed, we can now state with no fear of libel that the Cabinet and a large part of the Parliamentary Labour are thieves, frauds, liars and smearers.
We can also state that there was a criminal conspiracy to cover up all these crimes led by Brown, Speaker Gorbals and Chief Whip Brown.
How much more de we need ?
And where are the POLICE AND CPS WE CRY ??
No political party in British History has ever fallen so low, into what is clearly ORGANISED CRIME.
The DT seem to be enjoying its very own, errrr, gourmandism. Bon appetit mes amis!
Believe it or not there is an even bigger nightmare scenario out there for pigging MP’s. The fear that the unexpurgated pre 2003 expenses may also be out there waiting to get picked up by an enterprising hack.
Because those expenses were not even subject to the half hearted “tightening up” of the rules post 2003. One MP was even quoted as saying those expenses make the curent piggery seem patheticaly small beer indeed.
Newspapers somewhat miffed by the Telegraphs scoop may be hunting them down even now. So it’s a good thing this Government has such a famously tight grip on the protection of sensitive data. Otherwise the Telegraphs SAS middleman’s warning that the security of the expenses data were a joke may seem prophetic indeed.
Those revelations would indeed be dynamite.They would include the Bliar’s as well!
Nah. The Blairs’ expense forms were “inadvertently” shredded – didn’t you read that? so Cherie’s “discounted or free” items are now only the stuff of legend.
Even more staggering is the sum of money we have to find for thier expenses. The Daily Wail today:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1188544/Torrent-greed-MPs-expenses-hit-100million-year.html
“….Incredibly, Commons chiefs had set aside a record £109.3million for expenses in the current financial year before the scandal broke.”
And this doesn’t include their salaries!! It is high time we imposed a strict budget on MPs and that they are forced to observe it, just like everyone else in the real world. If that means sizeable cuts in their numbers and their expenses then so be it.
The 2003 disk will probably be on EBAY or have been on ebay one time or another and is sitting as a chavs teamat or have been rewritten with Finding Nemo or another craptastic film.
I think Brown has more documents in his closet. If I were the Barclay brothers I would use the information carefully
I’ve never heard “Gay Times” referred to as a document.
More clear cut cases of fraud here- and yet we all know there will be no prosecutions. What needs to be done to restore confidence is a proper clean out of troughers- Cameron could show he holds honesty over party allegience.
These Right Honourable Scum Bags want arresting (why the fuck do the police sit on their arses doing nothing). Why are Balls and that Bitch of his not being investigated? Have they got an injunction against the Telegraph or do they know too much shit on Brown and his Ministers?
It helps if you are friends of The Telegraph’s editor, obviously.
I agree, there are clear cut cases of fraud, and in the case of Kirkbride, conspiracy (with husband and brother) establishing `intent` very firmly.
Kirkbride should be prosecuted. If she is not how can we have faith in our democracy or system of justice. KIRKBRIDE is the key, unlock thee door and clean out the stables.
I believe that Income Tax is a modern form of slavery..
All taxes should be on what we spend and should be closely vetted regarding what can be claimed back……
Actually being a person is the modern form of slavery. As soon as you are legally registered at berth, you become a thing which is the property of the state.
Few realise that they may cease to be a person and become a flesh and blood man again.
(I was VERY careful with my wording and spelling)
You weren’t careful enough with your spelling.
Yes, subjects to be controlled, exploted and farmed.
Darn! Startled by a pop up box and didn’t spell check!! exploited…
I fink spel chequers are exployted
It’s B I R T H. A berth is where one puts one’s yacht for the weekend.
Toodle pip
No, income tax is theft plain and simple. Fiat credit coupled with usuary, collected by private banksters and enforced by laws enacted by their corrupt politician pals and policed by lackeys of the nomenklatura, is what constitutes slavery of the type known as peonage. There is some assistance from specious religiousity, such as the Protestant work ethic, but not much. Mostly, servitude derives from the ignorance of the serfs.
That is everything you need to know about why things are the way they are.
MOST taxes are theft!
My Local Council just told me that from now on I will have to pay £20 a year to have my garden waste collected 18 times a year. Their reasoning appears to be that SOME council taxpayers do not have gardens so it is unfair for them to pay for those who do.
GOOD thinking. Now then, I no longer have kids so have no need for education services which account for almost 80% of the Council Tax. So I am confidently looking forward to an 80% reduction in my Council tax! LOL
Totally agree. In the middle ages the peasant had to work until February 5th for the government the rest of the year was for himself, we work until June 16th before we keep all our salaries.
tis the zionist joos fault.
Funny that, when I had an expenses account (quite generous) and had to relocate, I got a good package, the one thing I couldn’t claim for was Stamp Duty because that was a tax and not an expense/cost, a bit like you couldn’t claim for parking tickets etc.
Well said Guido – as long as Ministers of the Crown seek to exempt themselves from the very tax burden they seek to impose on the general populace, these Ministers will be held in nothing but contempt by the general populace.
Call an election now Gordon, 5000 people and counting have signed the petition
http://petitions.number10.gov.uk/GoToCountryNow/
And 63,325 for Brown to resign.
Not enough, it’s run out of steam.
Hate to be cynical but do people realy care?
Weeks of corruption stories and a bankrupt economy and just a handfull of the dishonourables winkled out.
Even the Poles are going home!
And the Queen is sitting on her hands.
Never mind theres always Britains Got Talent.
Were finished. Labour has reduced this nation to a joke. Thats what happens when you elect theives and hypocrits to office. Very shortly the nations of the East will become the new superpowers and we will be beholden to thier demands much as they were to us a hundred years ago. Well done Tony, congratualtions Gordon job done.
I agree, when Parliament returns Cameron MUST go for the jugular!
Each and every question should bring maximum pain to each and every tax avoiding Cabinet Minister NOT forgetting Brown and his fiddles which apppear to have been forgotten!!
Ending with a Cameron interpretation of Cromwell’s speech. GO NOW!
Yvette Cooper must be the Jugular, right ?
Kirkbride must be the jugular.
Agree about the jugs. Don’t know about the ulars.
Cameron will most likely stick to generalities and try and push his “narrative” of reforms he started yesterday.
Because if they start throwing specific MP’s at each other we get the amusing sight of Labour troughers compared to Conservative troughers.
Entertaining yes.
But pretty much a zero sum game which simply adds fuel to fore of the publics view that “they are all the same thieving scumbags”.
Oh and he’ll call for an election of course but that starts to get less effective as the Euros and Locals get ever closer. Better to leave it till after the obvious election coming up.
Indeed, food expenses allowances and groceries allowances should be deemed salary in kind!
They are by my taxman, the bastard
can’t we withdraw the food alloance? maybe all these greedy fat bastards would starve to death if they had to pay for their own trough?
How come the Police are so quite. Is it because these lot kept quite about the De Menzies case. Ill scratch your back if you scratch mine when we are in the Shit.
Guido you are a total hypocrite, you hardly have a good record with paying UK taxes – allegedly & often laud companies that run off to our wonderful homeland across the Irish Sea. Which seems to be coming a cropper with its “low” tax policies, crazy property boom followed by a dreadful – predictable crash and sate support for the abuses of the catholic church. If your so called mates in the city and elsewhere had not been so greedy we wouldnt be in the current mess.
Guido can do what he likes. He does not work for me and I do not pay his wages.
Agreed – if HRMC have a problem with Guido then that’s up to them. Remember we’re all Europeans now, and it’s perfectly allowable to locate or structure yourself or your business in a way that reduces your tax burden.
This is the subtle difference between tax aviodance and tax evasion.
PS here in Dubai, income tax is zero, sales tax is zero :-)
Alcohol tax is SHITLOADS though :-(
Where is this government’s moral authority to collect taxes, if Darling, Usher, Hoon, and Brown have been using H of C rules to avoid the very taxes they expect the rest of us to pay?
The current givernment are fast running out of moral authority to do anything, the contempuous bunch of Hoons
Precisely.
Most people are hypocrites one way or another.Those who rule us who then evade the rules they have made for us while maximising their receipts from public money are culpable however, and deserve to be tried “in the court of public opinion” ( c H Harman) and also in a court of law.Ireland based its economy on funny money flowing from Brussels, I haven’t noticed trur low tax economies like Switzerland in any sort of economic trouble.
They’re like the Mafia, always plotting how they can get away with things.
http://www.plenty2say.com
They all claim their TV Licence on expenses too.
They forget that people on the minimum wage have to find the money to pay the BBC even if they only watch Sky.
What the hell are people on the minimum wage doing watching subscription TV?! Some people moaning about their poor standards of living really ought to stop spending money like water on Sky TV, clothes, fags, booze, ready meals and takeaways, etc.
Mind you, I quite like the idea of paying all MPs minimum wage over the recess just to give them a bit of a reality check…
37, MPs have changed your name into:
If you can’t afford it yourself, you can buy it with taxpayers’ money
Hey don’t know where YOU live but the benefits claimants in MY village ALL have Sky AND plasma TVs and new furniture and spend on booze like it’s going out of fashion (soon will be!). I know because I see it in the village shop. They don’t spend £1 on a lottery ticket but they DO spend a fiver on scratchcards a couple of times a week. Maybe in conurbations this is all more difficult to spot.
Some even manage to run fairly new cars – NOT mobility cars. But then they have free housing and Council tax and benefits for dependant kids whose fathers are un-named so don’t contribute and working tax credits and child tax credits. Beats working!. If only I hadn’t saved!
Sour grapes?
Sure but the number of claimants, compared to the size of the village, is rather high! Many have NEVER worked and likely never will. Appalling though the current political troughing is it pales into insignificance against the total claims for “incapacity” and other benefits +++ all the “cash in hand” black economy work. (I EXCLUDE here those who want to work but have lost their jobs) .
Two number 9’s today. Wossup?
Living accommodation
If your employer provides you – or one of your relatives – with living accommodation you may have to pay tax on the benefit. There are different ways of working out the value of the benefit you’ll have to pay tax on, depending on whether or not the accommodation cost more than £75,000.
You may not have to pay tax on the benefit if you are provided with the accommodation so you can do your job – or because it helps you do your job better.
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/working/company-cars.htm
Where does HMRC say that MPs are exempt?
For overnight expenses, see section 292 ITEPA 2003.
Nomenklatura.
They really are pushing their luck.
We British may have, in the past, been all about political evolution.
I feel that the time is rapidly approaching when we will snap & become all about political revolution.
A few more days of this & anything could happen. No wonder the main three parties are all rushing around trying to re-invent representative democracy now that they have all been caught with their hands in the till.
Any solution the main three come up with will be tainted. They have proven time & again that they are not fit to make the rules anymore.
Dissolve Parliament & sack & prosecute the cabinet of crooks & tax evaders.
I never thought I’d say this, but if a mob attacked parliament today – I’d drive all the way down from Aberdeen to join them! I have never felt such raw hatred and anger before in my entire life!
And there will be a coachload or 20 from Moray.
I visited a client’s facility and got talking with around 20-30 people during breaks. From a straw poll, 100% want to see the bastards hang.
Enough said.
And the marvel is that they think the appropriate response to fraud, embezzlement and swindling is proportional representation.
No, labour were in favour of PR, in 1997 right up until May 2nd. Then they suddenly went off the idea for some reason, until now, now that they only have approximately 12% support in the country as a whole they suddenly like it again.
Under PR, we would NEVER be able to get rid of the fraudulent, corrupt, champagne-socialists!!!
UKip seem rather keen on the idea.
And the Conservaties are happy enough to use it in scotland.
Good point, mind you Scottish politics has been dominated by the Pork Barrel for decades and I don’t mean the Tories!
Of course they were, Bliar was courting the LibDems on the premise that he may have to form a coalition. His landslide victory mad that completely unecessary and thus the conversation with wotsisname?, the drunk one?, was along the lines of:
PR, come on Charles, have you been at the Macallans again?
PR – no no no. We’d end up like Italy!
The current system DOES need change though because First past the post so frequently means that the winner actually has less than 50% of votes.Labour currently rule with the approval of only 26% of the electorate (maybe even votes cast) so there’s democracy for you
I’d favour Single Transferrable vote with the first past 50% being the winner.
For all its weaknesses at least constituents can get rid of their MP in the first past the post system.
Heaven help us all if we ever get party lists and PR. We would be stuck with whoever the party machine selected for us.
Lest we forget, mortgage interest tax relief was (finally) phased out under labour (tories started its winding down, of course).
Tiered stamp duty introduced by Gordo.
What’s good about that ? M’gage relief encourages home ownership.
I suppose Labour doesn’t like that as it reduces control a little.
Uk taxes are far too high all around, little value for money delivered.
Despite all the fine words about how shocked the party leaders are – we won’t be convinced until we see the more extreme cases of fraud dealt with by law. Until that happens – we just know that they aint serious!
I disagree…… extreme cases should end up in prison for a long time.. Not so extreme cases should end up in prison. Just like the tax they didn’t pay, only the amount will vary.
My point was that the less extreme the crime has been then there is always the possibility of endless arguments about “within the rules or “approved by the fees office” or it being “custom and practice”. But if you take the extreme cases for example claiming for interest on non existent mortgages or paying non existent staff then there is just no defence. If the party leaders were “truly shocked” and “determined” to sort out the mess then it would be more believable if they took action against those extreme cases where there is no defence. The fact that they try to lump them all together and just talk about “the system” being at fault or “errors of judgement” shows that they really are not that serious.
One interesting point though that must be causing them sleepless nights (and Cameron in particular) is that if they refuse to take action and allow some of these MPs to stay in place they may well be throwing away those seats at the next election. The tories in particular have a great chance of pushing labour out of labour held seats – but could lose in those seats where the Tories already hold the seat but will have to fight their campaign on the record of the sitting member – and if their expenses have been dodgy who can blaim the other parliamentry candidates for using it to galavanise the vote against them?
Anonymous…. you lost the argument when you said “the less extreme the crime” The Criminal law views a breach of Trust extremely seriously. It is inconsequential as to the amount, generally, although in these cases coming out there is a big movement from top to bottom. All breaches of Trust between Employer / employee tend to end up in prison.
So taking that every MP is an employee of you and me and it is Public Money they have stolen it is immaterial whether they return it to the state or not. It is only a factor that may reduce the prison sentence.
Most of these cases are around the issue of “Dishonesty” which is defined by Sect 2 Theft Act 1968. If you view the section you will see that it supposes that a legal argument over what is and is not dishonest. That is for a JURY to consider with regard to ALL the evidence. Which in turn supposes that a trial should occur, if it is in the public interest, which it is, and God help the CPS lawyer that thinks differently.
So, Prison it is then, we are only debating whether it is a long or a short term inside (Or hanging if you are some of our conspirator friends!!)
THE RAGE
The parliamentary ruling mob
Have all enjoyed a cushy job
The taxes paid by you and me
Helped these scoundrels live for free
They tried to stop us finding out
What their expenses were about
Somehow they think that we are fools
By claiming, “It’s within the rules”
Such claims alas just will not wash,
They’ve lived like royals on our dosh
It’s not the dosh that we want back,
We want them ALL to get the sack
That’s not all, for we want more,
We want them in a court of law
Some of them it seems are frauds,
Both in the Commons and the Lords
Flipping homes to dodge the tax
Has got up the electorates backs
Porno films and cleaning moats
Is really sticking in our throats
Don’t think because they haven’t claimed
They’re innocent and can’t be blamed
Not speaking out what some were getting
Is simply aiding and abetting
Their secrets out they’ve lost control
We want them jailed or on the dole
Parliament’s no sacred cow.
BRING ON THE ELECTION NOW !!
tat woz crap. gerroffff
Wasn’t too bad at all actually.
As a mater of fact it’s far better than some of the cringeworthy partisan ditties some have spewed up on here.
Well done, sir; good verse and excellent sentiments.Shame on you, heckler.
I’ve cut and saved it off to see if I can set it to music…
It was posted on 26th on the Daily Express, so not sure who exactly owns it… but as far as I’m concerned it’s fair game to make a derivative work of it
Who appointed Mackay as his personal aide-dave.
Who backed Mrs Mackay on television-dave.
JUDGEMENT?!!!
Balls.
Darling, Hoon, Hain, Usher, Flint, Alexander, and all the other little piggies to Cabinet posts were appointed by McBroon.
They are not as bad as Kirkbride
They’re worse because many are Ministers. What kind of example do they set us?
It represents a singular lack of judgement, sadly. How on earth can anyone consider taking any form of advice from that obnoxious freak MacKay, or that shallow scheming fraudster Kirkbride? The daily revelations about Kirkbride make Cameron look incredibly stupid.
Balls.
The daily revelations about the Cabinet make Brown look like the head of a criminal conspiracy. How can a “Prime” minister consider taking Government policy advice from a group of professional larcenists? ZanuLab is unelectable for a couple of generations, thank fuck.
And who can’t remember how many houses he owns-why DAVE of course!
TROLL ALERT! TROLL ALERT!l
Each day brings more revelations that serve to make us more angry than the day before. M.P’s who have brought their party into disrepute will be very foolish to stand again.
Meanwhile, there seems to have been slow public reaction from the Police / Tax Authorities on matters that most of us would regard as Fraud or Theft. Their credability is also on the line.
We need an Election NOW.
There’s some mind numbing figures in this piece.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1188544/Torrent-greed-MPs-expenses-hit-100million-year.html
Sky News: “Mafia Bosses Seized In Naples Crackdown”.
So that’s where our beloved leader went for his midterm break along with Tuscany Tony.
I think Guido is being too conservative (no pun intended) with his figures. Even if J. Bloggs, MP, only manages to get elected once, he or she would have to be very dim (or unbelievably honest) not to finish up with a million in the bank. It is becoming virtually impossible to establish whether the majority of MPs pay for any fucking thing at all. We feed the swine, house the swine, pay for every conceivable expense which any normal citizen either has to pay out of wages or pay extra tax as a perk of the job. These thieving bastards pay for absolutely fuck all. It is like winning the lottery every week. And you are hoping that Call Me Dave will put things right? His model is the Blair creature, and I can’t think of a worse insult.
Dave won`t put it right. He has done a deal with that freak MacKay to keep that blatant fraudster Kirkbride in place.
Dear Mr Anonymous,
You are a brave person and no doubt have evidence to back up your allegation.Or you might just FUCK OFF.
Eric Joyce has made it to the million mark.
Hoon has become a property millionaire at our expense (whilst having the use of grace and favour residences).
Do they still have the shipping forecast on the BBC?
Say after me quickly this Scottish soccer score:
East Fife 4, Forfar 5.
Well done, now I must go back to bed.
Once the taxman takes an interest in you then the game is up!
:)
Ian Kirkbride, Karen Kirkbride Alias Leadley?
Why is David Cameron dragging his heels with Kirkbride. It gets worse every day and exposes his weakness. He needs rid of Kirkbride now, and also Kirkbride should be prosecuted.
The Honourable Lady should do the honourable thing and shoot herself.
Agreed
Or, if she has any class, take the asp to her bosom.
The process has to be seen to be fair, otherwise Dave could be accused of prejudging the issue.Mind you, it seems pretty clear cut now.
very very clear cut
Seemingly more so by the minute.
Does Kirkbride`s sister Karen pay taxes on her stolen money?
Does Jack Boot Jackie’s sister return an accurate tax return? Does PHain’s mother fill out a correct tax return?
Does Gordon or Darling fill out a correct tax return?
Why not be damned and ask them?
Has anyone seen any of Brown’s ministers this week or are all of them cleaning out the Bunker’s sty?
Has Uddin/Blears/Moran/Keen/Butler filled out a tax form correctly?
The Booklet, issued by HMRC, is very clear on what can and cannot be claimed as a legitimate expense:
(go to http://www.parliament.uk/deposits/depositedpapers/2009/DEP2009-0086.doc) to see the booklet
Not allowed
• mortgage interest on office or part of residence used as an office
• newspapers, books and periodicals of general interest, newspaper cutting services
• charitable subscriptions
• constituency newsletters and other circulars relating to party political activities, canvassing literature, election expenses, Christmas cards
• entertaining constituents or others, extra costs arising out of late night sittings, expenses incurred by spouses, e.g. in deputising for, or accompanying, Members
• accountancy fees incurred in the preparation of the Self Assessment return or related expenses claims
• payments to political organisations for party political purposes
• any expense incurred as a member of a political party
• charges for private telephone calls and the rental charge where the line is used (even partly) for private calls.
Troughers the lot of them….
The Kirkbride gang fail on all counts.
Please give up on this – there is a whole other thread devoted to Kirkbride. This thread is about the serial troughers in the Labour Cabinet – let’s stick to that topic from now on!
These are the rules for the plebs, the troughers have set up a special department within HMRC that use an entirely different set of rules, (especially written by the troughers for themselves only) which exempt said troughers from the laws that apply to non-troughers. How else can Darling claim that a tax (stamp duty on a property transaction) is an expense ? FFS!
And all this bollox talk about within the rules should be disregarded, law is law is law is law, are they saying that a local chess club rulebook usurps the law of the land. Deceptive gang of gold-plated, talentless, useless thieving turds.
Set up a few citizen’s committees to judge the arseholes, with delegated powers of hanging, better still ship them all off to somewhere like Iraq and ask the local “interviewers” to get a few real confessions.
What I want to know : Where the hell is Gordon Brown?
Is he travelling the land, meeting the public, hearing their anger? Is he learning from the people what they really think, and what they’d really like him to do? Is he fuck.
Is he purging his cabinet of wrong-doers and troughers, interviewing each individually then summarily dismissing those who’ve can’t defend their actions? Is he bollocks.
There are increasing calls for him to bugger off, from all sides.
So, perhaps that’s the explanation: Gordon Brown is hiding away, summoning up the courage to chicken out.
He’s fully occupied shredding the evidence of Labour’s crimes. He’s had to call in Blair, Blunkett and Mandelson to give him a hand.
He’s washing his hair – not before time!
He will no doubt find an urgent reason to visit Afghanistan, NI or some other God-forsaken part of the world, just to stay out of the way and, he hopes, to enhance his standing as a statesman and world leader.
Pillock.
I suspect you’re pretty close to the truth. In offices up and down the land*, history is being rewritten through administrative sleight of hand.
*land = any country where the troughers may have established a bolt hole.
I’m filling in the Aussie summer football pools on expenses.
He is hiding where he usually does in these situations – in the water tank with a drinking straw!!!!!!
No doubts that ZanuTeam McUseless are planning yet another comeback, restart, relaunch, load of bollox. This team are totally deluded if they truly believe that there is ANYTHING possible under this sun that Labour can do to retain power other than arrange bent elections or usurp democracy to stay in power.
Isn’t that how oppressive regimes typically obtain and retain power ?
There is an anonymous troll on this site, nice to see the spirit of McBride lives on, dripping from Gordon’s malodorous jowls.
If he is anonymous how do you know his name?
It’s the he spells it, dead giveaway.
bugger, missed the ‘way’.
Never been more pleased to see that insufferable MP, Alan Haselhurst being challenged by Heffer, see the leader DT today).
These people are so f’ing out of touch.
There are lots of District and County Councillors biding their time hoping they will get called forward as replacements. Many of them are even worse than the existing MP’s. They are more arrogant, pompous, self righteous than you can ever imagine as they tend to be re elected because of their party, not personal ability. They are even more dodgy. All sorts of backhanders for planning, procurement etc etc.
We need to shed the lot of them.
Yes I am morally superior on this…I have not claimed a penny in expenses for 8 years, and nor have my colleagues. We do our work for our community because we care and are proud of our Parish. I do the voluntary work gratis because I know the local authority is basically crap.
They won’t allow a dangerous radical like you into parliament.
I quite fancy Julie Kirkbride. In fact I definitely would. How she got married to that creep Mackay, who looks like a walking cadaver with an unsuccessful face transplant, I cannot comprehend.
Mutually assured self interest I would presume (until they got caught that is). Yes, Julie used to be a babe – but she has morphed into something with a snout and trotters.
Oink Oink
She can kiss my timepiece anyday…
A week tomorrow the people will decide and I don’t give a swinging fcuk.
How’s the document shredding going Gordon?
I’ve got 6 shredders going simultaneously, what a racket, just shredded the Magna Carta.
sounds like you’ve just shredded Andy Murray, que?
what again? thought you did that with 42 days (or whatever the number ended up at)
A week tomorrrow indeed – I’m looking forward to your bunch of corrupt Hoons being at best 4th behind UKIP, at worst 6th behind the Greens and the Unmentionables :-)
Don’t forget when arriving at the polling station to greet the checker with the NuLab rosette warmly by the throat and tell them exactly what you think of their obnoxious party and leader.
The HOC & HOL need to explain why there is an ACA/Additional costs allowance for MPs second homes, when there is the LCA/London Costs Allowance which requires no receipts and no questions asked of MPs for a claimable amount of £7 500 tax free per year?
Now, if MPs live outside London, surely LCA is for them to claim for their accommodation while they are in London, so why the ACA, because the IEP/Incidential Expenses Provision covers both expenses incurred (while in London too) and their offices and staff.
If not, what exactly is London Costs Allowance being used for, and please tell us if London living MPs are able to (or more likely have) claim this tax free amount of £7 500 pa too?
By the way, MPs are now, after the Telegraph revelations, dropping the generous ACA second home allowance of £24 000pa for LCA – no questions asked £7 500 tax free pa.
Criminal procecutions for frauduland MPs and MEPs – please.
Can’t we get Inspector Clouseau on the case, this is getting all too complicated?
Harriet put out a press release saying tomorrow will be declared a holiday for Manchester United fans so I can travel on the open topped bus and wave to my adoring fans.
But what if they lose Gordon?.
Fcuk it , you think of everything, put out the same press release for Liverpool fans.
This is Professor John Curtice’s analysis of Labour’s position in the east of Scotland (from an article in today’s Scotsman titled “Election massacre looms for Labour in the east”:
Analysis: Polls show PM could be last man standing
LABOUR MPs in the Lothians, Falkirk and Fife might well have been comforting themselves over recent days that, however low their party might have sunk in the polls, they at least were not in any imminent danger of losing their seats.
After all, only two constituencies in the area would normally be regarded as being remotely marginal – Edinburgh South (0.9 per cent majority) and Edinburgh North and Leith (5.0 per cent majority).
In both cases, it is the Liberal Democrats who are in second place, and the polls consistently suggest they are no longer the force they were at the time of the last UK election.
True, Nigel Griffiths in Edinburgh South also has the Conservatives to worry about. Although placed third, the Tories were only nine percentage points behind last time around, and could still leapfrog into first place, even if there is no more than a modest Cameron bounce north of the Border.
Elsewhere, however, Labour MPs in the region all enjoy majorities of 15 points or more. Indeed, the smallest lead that any of them enjoy over the Nationalists is no less than 23 points – the position of Gavin Strang in Edinburgh East.
Even there, the SNP were third last time around, while Mr Strang is the one Labour MP in the area who has said he will not stand again.
So, given this backdrop, it should come as little surprise that, although the last two reliable polls of Westminster voting intentions in Scotland both suggested the SNP were only two or three points behind Labour nationally, only Edinburgh South looked to be in any imminent danger of being lost.
But those Scottish polls were conducted at the end of April. Since then, Westminster has been engulfed by the row about MPs’ expenses.
According to recent British polls, that row has cost Labour dear. The party’s average UK-wide poll rating now stands at only 24 per cent.
If we look at the innards of those more recent British polls, it seems clear the expenses row has eroded Labour support in Scotland too – to the benefit of the SNP.
No individual British poll interviews enough Scottish respondents to provide us with a reliable statement of party strengths north of the Border. But if we gather together all of the British polls conducted over the past month, collectively they give us the views of nearly 600 people. Although still less than ideal, this is sufficient to give a broad indication of where things now stand.
And the figures suggest that, whereas a month ago the swing to the SNP was of the order of 10 per cent, now it may be as much as 15 per cent.
That makes a big difference. While nearly every Labour MP in Edinburgh and its environs could withstand a 10 per cent swing to the Nationalists, only Gordon Brown in Kirkcaldy & Cowdenbeath could resist a 15 per cent swing.
So the expenses row has suddenly cast a shadow over the future of nearly every Labour MP in the region.
They might be wise to explain their own expenses to their voters forthwith.
• John Curtice is professor of politics at Strathclyde University in Glasgow
full article: http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scotland/Election-massacre-looms-for-Labour.5304402.jp
A swing TO the SNP? The First Trougher, Alec Salmond, claimed £130,000 allowances from Westminster yet he is based full-time in Scotland on his other job. I reckon the DT should be taking a closer look at the SNP.
We’ve have one set of scottish bastards ruining our lives for 12 years we’re not likely to vote another lot in.
No racism intended.
The word “Honour” (from the Latin word honos, honoris) is the evaluation of a person’s trustworthiness and social status based on that individual’s espousals and actions.
Honour is deemed exactly what determines a person’s character: whether or not the person reflects honesty, respect, integrity, or fairness.
Accordingly, individuals are assigned worth and stature based on the harmony of their actions, code of honour, and that of the society at large.
Based on the above description, how then can any of the current crop of Swine encumbent in the pews at Parliament possibly be ascribed to be of this nature?
Lets analyse what it means to them.
Honour, as understood by the likes of you and I is a sense of fairness, honesty and integrity that is meted out to all and sundry equally.
Its a quality of loyalty to what is morally right, and standing up for that principle, even to the detriment of ones own position in society and this for most all of the politicians that have ever sat in the house is where the concept of Honour differs from your view of it and mine.
Politicians deem honour to be loyalty to themselves and to their party or a clique within it.
They see nothing immoral in endowing themselves with the trappings of the power they hold and to which they are plainly not entitled.
To these people, power and the pursuit of wealth are the ultimate goals they strive to reach, the promises being made to their electorate to get themselves in the “Big Club” are little more than a minor irritation, a distraction to the real business of getting ahead before retiring on a gold plated pension and a seat in that other House of Hogs- The Lords.
Precisely because they have NO honour is the reason why they continue to address each other as “honourable”, they fail to see the irony in the way they act and the absolute disconnect with the meaning of the word “Honour”, it is beyond their capability of reason to understand why they are completely without Honour.
They are at heart, amoral, venal, thuggish, mendacious, pious and anal to the extreme.
We over the past few weeks, have come to know these people as pigs, obviously with reference to their trough-like feeding habits on the public purse, however, a pig is very much a cleaner, wiser and fairer creature than a politician, especially a british one it would seem.
Understanding the way these criminals act is partway to understanding why they can NEVER be relied upon to do what they say they will do- they will NOT!
Its not in their interests to have you and I knowing what they rifle from our pockets, its very much beyond their wishes to be accountable to you and I because after all the crying stops, the Nadine Dorries, The Eric Morleys and the Balls Duo will continue on like nothing has happened.
In fact they will probably invent new ways to circumvent the rules they apply to the rest of us.
And so it will be with Call Me Dave unfortunately.
Just 20 days ago, Dave saw nothing wrong with the “system”, neither did any of the other crop of squealers all now hurridly changing their tunes, in fact as i recall, they insisted it was “all entirely within the rules guv” indeed some still are claiming that despite it being obvious to an enormous dullard that it aint so.
Until the whole lot of the sitting Mp’s we currently have are dispensed with, nothing will really change, because that lack of Honour is endemic within them as people and within Parliament as an institution.
They ALL must go.
So how many houses does Dave own?
So how many houses does Hoon own? How many houses does the Prime Mentalist own? We could play this Monopoly Game all day!
Methinks a bit of party loyalty is leaching its way into the number of houses point.
As im not loyal to any party it doesnt afflict me- besides, the greter question isnt which party has the most troughers, or the most houses, its this:
Theyre all troughers and non can be trusted to do what they were elected- ie, instructed by you and I to do. To carry out our wishes.
Bearing that in mind the question of whos trotters arent going to touch the ground come the revolution isnt really an important one as you only need to gain a realisation of one guiding fact.
And that fact is that our rapaciously money hungry MP’s arent to be trusted or to be elected to the position of governance.
Although i i must say have sympathy for the likes of Norman Baker who has fought tirelessly to expose the twisted thieving and deliberate misuse of public funds for personal gain by the rest of the grunters in parliament, i think they all need to go now before the fit really starts to hit the shan.
Please don’t use the word “methinks”, it’s archaic.
G reat posting Guido – encapsulates the hypocrisy. Wish it could be read by every voter. We’d have no MPs left
Robert Mugabe and Kim Jong Il would be proud of Snottie McTwat’s wonder cabinet. Got to keep the really useful traditions going…
Only the little people pay taxes.
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Someone (who knows what they are doing) should put in a FOI request to the Revenue requesting that they disclose the total P11D benefit in kind received by MPs (broken down by category). The Revenue won’t release individual details, but they should be prepared to disclose what the total figure is.
You know as we grow up in life we have to listen to some awful guff and sometimes learn to our disappointment that some of it ain’t true, you know the usual stuff;
Santa Claus
Fairies and Elves at the bottom of the garden
Babies are brought by the stork
Labour works…..but, this takes the biscuit;
“Labour Ministers employ accountants at taxpayers expense as they are keen to ensure they MAXIMISE the amount of taxes they pay”!!!!
There is a saying up our way when someone is clearly trying to take the piss, it goes; “they must think our heads are zipped up the back.
“they must think our heads are zipped up the back.
Give it time. Spliff’s working on it as we speak.
What? Babies AREN’T brought by the stork. Maybe THAT is where I went wrong. I wondered why 3 cats didn’t stop it. Never mind the benefits come in handy
I spoke into his eyes — I thought you died alone
A long long time ago
Oh no, not me,
We never lost control,
Youre face to face,
With the man who sold the world
OH NO NOT WE
WE’RE THE MEN WHO SOLD THE WORLD.
I have been calling the westminster vermin by the name of commissar for quite a long time now, some of us were trying to point out that these whores,pimps and thieves were scamming and lying to us for years.
Just wait untill the 2012 money burning festival folks, when you see the commissar classs wafting by in their big limos in their very own private
‘zil lane’ while the dirty prole scum have to walk or use the cattle truck public transport at highly inflated prices!
The bastards who made such a huge mess of the eyesore millenium dome are busy making the same fuckups for 2012, billions of pounds wasted and millions syphoned off to offshore bank accounts by the commissar class in backhanders and slush funds, the political storm about expenses will be a mere trifle when the 2012 scam is uncovered.
The finest food and drink,the best seats and no public cattle trucks for the commissar class parasites, they are going to live it up like never before, friends’N'family corruption while we suffer, its premium first class all the fucking way for the commissar bastards now!
Notice how the political classes have started to appear on this and other sites trying to blame the other side and minimize their own partys corruption?
They are hijacking the blogs and trying to ‘manage’ the peoples anger!
FUCK THEM, lets identify and shame these commissar serfs as and when they appear.
25 years ago I saw the future whilst driving in Czechoslovakia.
First a column of soviet tanks. Poor cars,poor roads, poor people queuing at a butcher shop. In fact MOST food shops and dilapidated houses.
Our cars were pored over at every stop. They’d never seen such new cars close up and right hand drive was a wonderment.
we could only manage 30mph at best on the supposed A class main road because of slow,overladen falling to bits lorries, very old cars, horses and carts and “no overtaking” signs for miles. Then WHOOSH we WERE overtaken at great speed by an obvious Government car which was an absolute top of the range BMW and clearly not subject to the rules because the occupant was clearly “too important”
We may not yet be quite as bad as that was but we definitely have a new “class system”. Politicians should reflect and look at what happened after 1989 in the eastern bloc countries, including Romania, when the politicians and the system finally pissed off the citizenry. I for one am now somewhat pissed off and from what I see about 75% are
Damn right they should pay back the Tax they evaded and dont forget the additional Penalties as well that you and me would have to pay if in the same situation.
“it is right that those that earn more should pay more” as Gordon Brown said. Pity the law makers in Parliament aren’t! As for limosines … I used to be an MD with a very comfortable car, but why should I pay tax on something that was expected in my position? A bit like Government cars … but they aren’t taxed as yet or will they be in future ?
I gave up the job and the car and now travel by second class rail.
I had thought of taking up Cameron’s challenge (but only if I can have a Ministerial jet like the rest) to grasp the gauntlet and make a difference as careful business people with no axe to grind and with morality would be good for the UK. Unfortunately, I am Scottish and ex-public school as well and so am I tarnished unfairly with same brush as our current rotten Parliament. At times I am ashamed of my fellow Scots … Brown, Blair, Darling et al.
Guido … I chanced upon your website some 2 months ago … and I’ve been on here reading comments twice per day ever since. It is so refreshing to see that so many people care. From now until the next election we must force the politicians to concede electoral reform or we will all suffer the same again.
Quote of the day from Jack Straw “…….. The Prime Minister secure in his job.” Tell me it’s not true. I desperately need some hope and reassurance please, please!
I want to see all current and previous Labour cabinet members up on treason charges for having wrecked England.
No enemy could have done better, it’s all been done from the top…